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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,199 --> 00:00:02,580 Previously on Pig Advances. 2 00:00:02,860 --> 00:00:07,239 I've retrieved what appears to be a right middle or ring finger severed at 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:08,139 second joint. 4 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:11,799 Maybe we should turn you loose and let the mob outside deal with you. You can't 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,480 do this. We can do whatever we want. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,090 We're the cops. 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:26,679 The discovery of the body would be fruits of a poisonous 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,260 tree. I may have no choice. 9 00:00:29,850 --> 00:00:31,210 but to dismiss the charges. 10 00:00:31,211 --> 00:00:33,929 When I come back, the three of you are going to tell me the brilliant plan 11 00:00:33,930 --> 00:00:37,540 you've devised to keep that bastard in jail. You've got to figure it out! 12 00:00:37,550 --> 00:00:40,830 Mr. Latham, you are going to trial. 13 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:45,250 If the Supreme Court has a problem with that, they can come and get me. 14 00:00:49,130 --> 00:00:50,330 We've got two choices. 15 00:00:50,630 --> 00:00:55,489 The right to the appellate court, try to overturn Judge Bone, get your statement 16 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:59,939 and the evidence suppressed, Or try this case right now, which I think we should 17 00:00:59,940 --> 00:01:00,990 do. Why? 18 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:04,739 Because our chances of a conviction are better the sooner we go. 19 00:01:04,740 --> 00:01:08,299 We've got all our evidence except for the weapon, and if we haven't found that 20 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:09,680 by now... What about DNA? 21 00:01:10,860 --> 00:01:12,660 Well, all the blood we found was hers. 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,140 Hair and fiber go to her, him, and in the car, her family. 23 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:17,430 It's not airtight. 24 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:19,280 Exactly. It's circumstantial. 25 00:01:19,281 --> 00:01:22,419 That's why I'd like to try it while it's still fresh in the jury's head. Time 26 00:01:22,420 --> 00:01:23,680 can only help the defense. 27 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:25,380 Then why does Wombo want to go now? 28 00:01:26,140 --> 00:01:29,150 Because I could take advantage of the short investigation. 29 00:01:29,300 --> 00:01:33,000 I can argue that they didn't take the time to look for anybody else. 30 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:35,040 It'll play into reasonable doubt. 31 00:01:35,460 --> 00:01:38,420 Plus, this trial is a free shot for us. 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,740 See, if they lose, they can still get it overturned on constitutional grounds. 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,560 If they win, the state can't appeal an acquittal. The man walks. 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,570 It's a free bite for him. Wambaugh knows what he's doing. 35 00:01:50,580 --> 00:01:51,630 Do we? 36 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:56,400 Appellate courts are less likely to overturn a trial than they are a 37 00:01:56,740 --> 00:02:00,400 If we can get a conviction now, we make his chance on appeal much tougher. 38 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:02,220 I say we go. 39 00:02:02,780 --> 00:02:03,900 I say we go. 40 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Do I have a chance? 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,610 Yes. 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,500 No. Our case is circumstantial, but it's very strong. 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,810 He can't win. 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,240 I cannot lose this guy. 45 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,530 We won't. 46 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:18,690 Okay. 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,050 Okay. 48 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,370 Okay. 49 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,300 You like murder trials, Kimberly? 50 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,160 This is going to be a good one. 51 00:03:34,950 --> 00:03:36,770 Sheriff Department is a joke. 52 00:03:37,090 --> 00:03:38,510 It frustrates me. 53 00:03:38,970 --> 00:03:43,070 If they knew how to collect evidence, they'd have caught the real killer. Mr. 54 00:03:43,071 --> 00:03:46,829 Wambaugh likes to try these cases in the media where he's free to make up the 55 00:03:46,830 --> 00:03:49,350 fact. He says this because I'm Jewish. 56 00:03:50,050 --> 00:03:53,840 He comes in here today with nothing but public pressure to get a conviction. 57 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:57,180 Yeah, well, you'll see what we've got. I'm getting goosebumps. 58 00:04:01,610 --> 00:04:05,010 I'd appreciate it if you didn't attack my father in the press. 59 00:04:05,410 --> 00:04:09,270 Kimberly, the media has taken away the presumption of innocence. 60 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:11,950 I have to use the spotlight to get it back. 61 00:04:15,690 --> 00:04:16,740 You ready? 62 00:04:20,190 --> 00:04:21,240 I think so. 63 00:04:21,390 --> 00:04:25,849 Remember, they'll probably introduce the pictures early. Look horrified to see 64 00:04:25,850 --> 00:04:29,830 them. The jury has to see that they shock you like anybody else. 65 00:04:30,540 --> 00:04:33,790 Now, it's not imperative that you look, but I want you in the room. 66 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,530 I want the jury to be reminded of your tragedy. 67 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,720 Do we have to be here for the whole trial? 68 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,090 I prefer it. 69 00:04:41,740 --> 00:04:43,300 Emotion cuts in our favor. 70 00:04:43,301 --> 00:04:47,539 I've got your parents, a sister, your grandmother, and an uncle you've never 71 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:48,590 met. 72 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:52,940 My family is coming? And for the purpose of this trial, you're close -knit. 73 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:55,860 The jury cannot see it otherwise. 74 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,300 Well, how'd you get them to show up? 75 00:04:58,340 --> 00:04:59,520 You're their only son. 76 00:05:01,130 --> 00:05:02,180 Will they testify? 77 00:05:03,230 --> 00:05:04,280 Not a chance. 78 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:08,049 If he puts up any character witness, then we are free to impeach with our 79 00:05:08,050 --> 00:05:09,670 witnesses, and I've got about 20. 80 00:05:09,950 --> 00:05:13,589 I even have a teenage girl that was threatened by him at knife point two 81 00:05:13,590 --> 00:05:14,640 ago. What? 82 00:05:14,890 --> 00:05:16,110 But I can't use it. 83 00:05:16,590 --> 00:05:20,509 The law says we can't talk about previous bad acts to convince the jury 84 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:21,560 this one. 85 00:05:21,890 --> 00:05:25,989 Wait a second. Now, this guy attacked another girl with a knife, and we can't 86 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:27,790 tell the jury about it? That's right. 87 00:05:27,910 --> 00:05:31,609 But if they try to argue that he's a good guy... We can roll out our 88 00:05:31,610 --> 00:05:33,170 witnesses, this girl included. 89 00:05:33,410 --> 00:05:34,870 See, Wanbao knows that. 90 00:05:35,110 --> 00:05:39,150 He won't put this guy's parents up or anybody to even hint about his 91 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:40,810 Then what's our case? 92 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:43,610 The state has the burden to make the case. 93 00:05:44,130 --> 00:05:47,170 I just have to shoot holes in it, and I will. 94 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:51,090 The worst thing is those pictures. 95 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:55,530 They're some of the most graphic images I've ever seen. 96 00:05:57,530 --> 00:05:59,770 I apologize for having to show them to you. 97 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,400 They'll be difficult to look at, but you must look at them. 98 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,699 The testimonial evidence will show that Susan Ingrams was stabbed 11 times, but 99 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:12,760 you cannot know the violent savagery unless you look. 100 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:55,939 The prosecution will show beyond all reasonable doubt that the person 101 00:06:55,940 --> 00:07:02,679 responsible for this repulsive carnage is Brian Latham, the man sitting right 102 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,730 over there. 103 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,320 That concludes my opening statement. 104 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,200 I would ask first... 105 00:07:20,430 --> 00:07:27,009 When you go home tonight, let us all say a prayer for Susan 106 00:07:27,010 --> 00:07:29,410 Ingram's and her family. 107 00:07:30,170 --> 00:07:33,290 Nobody here can feel their pain. 108 00:07:34,630 --> 00:07:39,450 This judicial proceeding can never make them whole. 109 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:46,810 The prosecution has laid a setting of a horrible tragedy. 110 00:07:48,310 --> 00:07:49,360 Savagery. 111 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:56,109 The defense does not dispute this, but we do take issue with their conclusion 112 00:07:56,110 --> 00:07:57,430 to who is responsible. 113 00:07:59,030 --> 00:08:01,570 It wasn't Brian Latham. 114 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:11,350 When the prosecution searched for a witness, they drew a blank. 115 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:14,890 They looked for a motive. 116 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:17,880 Blank. 117 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:20,380 They search for a weapon? 118 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,170 Nothing. 119 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:29,740 They comb my client's person and property for bloodstains and forensic 120 00:08:34,020 --> 00:08:40,100 Any evidence at all that would connect Brian Latham to violence? 121 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:43,550 Nothing. 122 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,119 As to their efforts to find the person who really was responsible for this 123 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:49,759 murder... 124 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:56,320 Mr. 125 00:08:56,540 --> 00:08:58,900 Littleton has shown you the victim. 126 00:08:59,780 --> 00:09:02,920 I've shown you their case. 127 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:14,689 Time of death, cause of death, absence of other hair or fibers on the body, In 128 00:09:14,690 --> 00:09:16,170 the car or at the scene? 129 00:09:16,450 --> 00:09:20,289 Check. And Carter, make sure your voice works, okay? We're not going to get a 130 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:22,269 conviction if you sound like a damn chipmunk again. 131 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:23,470 Why are you so nervous? 132 00:09:23,770 --> 00:09:26,000 Because Wambaugh opened great, that's why. 133 00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:27,740 Then you go up. 134 00:09:27,741 --> 00:09:31,649 You're going to cover all the prints, the tire tracks, the footprints, and 135 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:33,689 corroborate the store owner's statement. 136 00:09:33,690 --> 00:09:35,890 Then I put you up, Kenny. You are critical. 137 00:09:35,891 --> 00:09:36,969 Me, me, me. 138 00:09:36,970 --> 00:09:38,020 Carter. 139 00:09:38,890 --> 00:09:43,590 His pointing you to where the body was is the linchpin. 140 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,239 His demeanor, his look of contrition, guilt, his sense of wanting redemption 141 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,880 a crime he knew he committed, his feeling of remorse for taking a human 142 00:09:52,881 --> 00:09:55,999 These are the things you saw in that cell, and these are the things you must 143 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,240 make that jury see. 144 00:09:57,460 --> 00:09:58,510 I've been over it. 145 00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:00,230 Okay. 146 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,810 There's one other thing we've got to talk about. 147 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,250 Now, 148 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:13,570 I don't mean to be critical, but this is a reality that we're dealing with. 149 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:17,459 The Sheriff's Department is perceived to be terrible and largely that perception 150 00:10:17,460 --> 00:10:18,510 is accurate. 151 00:10:18,980 --> 00:10:23,659 Your investigational habits are shoddy. There is a shocking lack of professional 152 00:10:23,660 --> 00:10:25,160 credibility in the personnel. 153 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,260 Kenny, your intelligence doesn't translate. 154 00:10:29,660 --> 00:10:31,560 Juries tend to think of you as simple. 155 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:37,359 Officer Stewart, you were thought of as intelligent and thorough, but also 156 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,410 erratic. 157 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:41,680 And Carter, where do I begin with you? 158 00:10:42,220 --> 00:10:43,270 What's your point? 159 00:10:43,949 --> 00:10:48,289 My point is, every case I prosecute is hampered by the credibility of this 160 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:49,340 branch. 161 00:10:49,530 --> 00:10:51,010 Now, there are some pluses. 162 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:53,210 The people know and trust you. 163 00:10:53,211 --> 00:10:57,329 And one of the reasons I didn't try to kick venue is because in another town, 164 00:10:57,330 --> 00:11:00,649 potential jurors might not extend the same personal trust that comes from 165 00:11:00,650 --> 00:11:04,409 knowing you. They'd only focus on the professional incompetence. We're not 166 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:09,149 incompetent. Look, I don't mean to attack you, but I have to make you aware 167 00:11:09,150 --> 00:11:11,560 this reality so that you're prepared to beat it. 168 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:14,710 When you get up on that stand, I want to see authority. 169 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,960 Carter, you are a great medical examiner. Make that jury know that. 170 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:23,519 Kenny, you're clear -headed. Be precise and decisive when you're in that witness 171 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,570 chair. 172 00:11:25,180 --> 00:11:28,670 A district attorney can only play his hand, and you people are my hand. 173 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:33,580 Now, I want that jury to know this son of a bitch is guilty because you know 174 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:35,300 You three know it. 175 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:47,460 So, if you think he did it, then why are you helping him? 176 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:53,279 You have to understand, Zach, even guilty defendants are entitled to a 177 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,560 and a fair trial. 178 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,170 Why? 179 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:04,199 Well, you see, um, the state has to prove guilt before they can lock 180 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,250 up. 181 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,819 The defense attorneys have to make sure that the burden of proof is met in every 182 00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:10,870 case. 183 00:12:11,150 --> 00:12:13,620 It's all about protecting our system of justice. 184 00:12:14,330 --> 00:12:18,589 So when defense attorneys represent guilty people, they're nevertheless 185 00:12:18,590 --> 00:12:21,010 protecting the system. 186 00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:24,880 And by doing that, the innocent are served. 187 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:26,960 Do you understand? 188 00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:29,520 No. 189 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:33,190 You will when you're old enough. 190 00:12:34,510 --> 00:12:37,070 He killed somebody, and you're helping him. 191 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:38,630 How old do I have to get? 192 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,700 Wambaugh is using you. 193 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:49,200 The jury knows the sheriff's daughter is sitting at the defense table. 194 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,320 They probably know you were friends with Susan Ingrams. 195 00:12:55,820 --> 00:12:57,060 You're being used. 196 00:13:04,791 --> 00:13:12,139 Time of death can't be fixed positive since the decomposition process is 197 00:13:12,140 --> 00:13:15,879 affected by the body being in water, the temperature of which was 54 degrees 198 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,279 Fahrenheit. But through forensics, entomology, rigor mortis, and post 199 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,519 changes, I can fix death between 1 and 4 a .m. Now, I should like to explain... 200 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:26,570 Objection! 201 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,290 Too boring. 202 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:32,800 We'll agree that she died between 1 and 4 a .m. So stipulated. 203 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,210 Were you able to determine the cause of death, Dr. Pike? 204 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:37,470 Yes, I was. 205 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,530 Excuse me. 206 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,119 It was death by stabbing. The victim received multiple wounds from a seven 207 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,680 serrated blade. The fatal blow being a stab wound to the heart itself. 208 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:54,519 I'd like to show you a picture of the victim... I will stipulate that the girl 209 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:55,900 was killed with a big knife. 210 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,799 I would like to be able to offer my evidence... You just want to show the 211 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,300 pictures off to shock the jury. 212 00:14:01,301 --> 00:14:02,339 I agree. 213 00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:03,600 Move on, Mr. Littleton. 214 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,620 What about the severing of the finger, Dr. Pike? 215 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,170 Oh, yes. 216 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,340 This appeared to be a premortem incision. 217 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:19,079 Judging from the cuts on the dorsal side of the arms and the palms, it appeared 218 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,119 the victim tried to defend herself inside the car. It was during the 219 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,890 that I think the middle left finger was in fact severed. 220 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,099 And is there anything else that these wounds told you, Dr. Pike, aside from 221 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:32,150 cause of death? 222 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,660 Yes, that this was an extremely primal and brutal killing. 223 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:39,350 This woman was butchered. 224 00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:44,280 It was the most gruesome autopsy ever in my professional experience. 225 00:14:45,570 --> 00:14:46,950 Thank you, Dr. Pike. 226 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:49,060 Nothing further. 227 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:58,589 Dr. Pike, do any of your medical findings connect this crime to 228 00:14:58,590 --> 00:14:59,640 Brian Latham? 229 00:15:00,130 --> 00:15:01,470 My medical findings? 230 00:15:03,970 --> 00:15:05,020 No. 231 00:15:05,650 --> 00:15:06,700 Thank you. 232 00:15:06,701 --> 00:15:12,619 That's the man, all right. He bought the beer and then he got right into her 233 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:14,580 car. And what time was that, sir? 234 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:15,990 Just after 11. 235 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,780 And when I closed up at 12 .30, his truck was still parked in my lot. 236 00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:24,800 And are you sure it was this man and the victim Susan Ingrams? 237 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:29,110 Positive. 238 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,200 You said to the police my client looked normal, even friendly. 239 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,050 Yes, I did. 240 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:39,339 And after observing my client's behavior... You had no reason to think 241 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:41,320 Susan Agrams was in danger, did you? 242 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,820 Well, no. 243 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,960 In fact, you never called the police. 244 00:15:46,460 --> 00:15:48,500 Nothing seemed wrong. Is that correct? 245 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,200 Yes, I guess that's so. Thank you, sir. 246 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,010 Nothing further? 247 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,400 You may step down. 248 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,200 The people call it laying the fever. 249 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,050 Objection! 250 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,570 Sidebar. 251 00:16:12,430 --> 00:16:13,630 We've been through this. 252 00:16:13,790 --> 00:16:14,840 She's excluded. 253 00:16:14,910 --> 00:16:17,980 Just open the door on character testimony, Your Honor. What? 254 00:16:18,390 --> 00:16:22,869 He got Mr. Emanuel to testify that the defendant was normal and friendly. He 255 00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:26,030 character on issue. He cross -examined on what Mr. Emanuel saw. 256 00:16:26,031 --> 00:16:30,189 The witness is excluded. It also goes to pattern, Your Honor. This man attacked 257 00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:32,660 this girl at knife point. The witness is excluded. 258 00:16:33,090 --> 00:16:34,140 Damn it, Your Honor. 259 00:16:36,610 --> 00:16:38,410 I don't think you meant to do that. 260 00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:41,570 I'm trying to put on a case here. 261 00:16:41,950 --> 00:16:47,169 Fine. Do it. But you can't put witnesses up to establish that the defendant is a 262 00:16:47,170 --> 00:16:48,220 bad person. 263 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:50,810 Now, get back. 264 00:16:55,150 --> 00:17:00,270 Does it bother you? 265 00:17:02,190 --> 00:17:04,829 We're trying to free a man who committed murder. 266 00:17:07,770 --> 00:17:09,670 He never told me he's guilty. 267 00:17:10,829 --> 00:17:12,130 You never asked him. 268 00:17:12,829 --> 00:17:17,969 I know this may be difficult to understand, but it would have been wrong 269 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:19,020 to ask. 270 00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:22,910 I did what a good defense attorney is supposed to do. 271 00:17:23,690 --> 00:17:28,009 And that's what's hard to understand, that it's proper procedure for lawyers 272 00:17:28,010 --> 00:17:29,430 navigate around the truth. 273 00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:34,269 The system of justice, Kimberly, doesn't always mean that the player should act 274 00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:36,610 justly. Take the Lefevre girl. 275 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:42,580 When John Littleton called her as a witness, he knew Judge Bone would deny 276 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:47,779 But by calling her, the jury got to see that there was somebody else who had 277 00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:49,640 something to say for the prosecution. 278 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,320 They get the impression there's more to tell than they're being told. 279 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:56,110 It's cheating. 280 00:17:56,660 --> 00:17:58,920 Not much, just a little sleight of hand. 281 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,099 We all do it because we know the other guys are going to do it, and we don't 282 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:05,360 want them to have the edge. 283 00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:11,580 Judge Bone was right. It's all about winning and losing. 284 00:18:12,670 --> 00:18:16,930 Well, the truth is supposed to be a product of the adversary process. 285 00:18:17,710 --> 00:18:22,130 So, yes, that means both sides try to win at all costs. 286 00:18:24,110 --> 00:18:27,670 Even when it means we're trying to free a guilty killer. 287 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:31,790 I try not to ask myself such tricky questions. 288 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:41,919 All hair and fibers found in the car belonged either to the victim, the 289 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,750 family members who also drove the car, or the defendant. 290 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:46,150 The defendant? 291 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:52,459 Yes. Several strands of hair found on the victim or in her car matched the 292 00:18:52,460 --> 00:18:54,340 samples taken from Brian Latham. 293 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,799 We also found slight skin fragments under her fingernails that were an 294 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,480 genetic match with the defendant. 295 00:19:01,660 --> 00:19:05,390 You have an established foundation for this witness to give DNA evidence. 296 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:10,109 In the spirit of cooperation, we'll stipulate that the hair, skin, and 297 00:19:10,110 --> 00:19:12,470 fibers probably came from my client. 298 00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:16,429 Well, this all happened during a brief wrestling match where my client 299 00:19:16,430 --> 00:19:18,110 unsuccessfully tried for sex. 300 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:19,400 Move to strike. 301 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:23,490 Sustained. The jury will disregard defense counsel's last statement. 302 00:19:23,890 --> 00:19:24,940 Move on. 303 00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:28,000 What other evidence did you find, deputy? 304 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:33,409 The only tire tracks leading to the pond were those of the victim's car, meaning 305 00:19:33,410 --> 00:19:38,790 whoever committed the murder probably drove in the victim's car to the swamp, 306 00:19:38,791 --> 00:19:42,549 dumped the body, then drove the car back to where it was discovered the 307 00:19:42,550 --> 00:19:44,350 following morning on Prospect Road. 308 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:47,590 And did you find any footprints at the pond site? 309 00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:49,220 We did. 310 00:19:49,570 --> 00:19:53,689 And they matched the shoes being worn by the defendant at the time we arrested 311 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:57,649 him. And were there any other prints to suggest that someone else had been 312 00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:59,400 around? No, there were not. 313 00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:04,419 And were there any hairs or fibers found on the person of the victim that did 314 00:20:04,420 --> 00:20:06,950 not come from either the victim or the defendant? 315 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:09,140 No, there were not. 316 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:11,890 Thank you, Deputy. 317 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,340 I have nothing further. 318 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:25,199 When you arrested my client, you checked his person, his truck, and motel room 319 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,000 for physical evidence, didn't you? 320 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,900 Yes. Did you find any? 321 00:20:30,860 --> 00:20:31,910 No. 322 00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:35,240 Nothing? Not even a spattering of blood? 323 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,930 Not anything? 324 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,200 No. You never found a murder weapon? 325 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,050 No, we did not. 326 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,420 Eyewitnesses? No. 327 00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:46,910 What a thing. 328 00:20:46,911 --> 00:20:51,719 Before Susan Ingrins left the house on the night of question, do you know what 329 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,770 happened? 330 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,599 She was involved in an argument with her parents. An angry argument, according 331 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,890 to the statement that they made to the police. 332 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:03,440 And you say you found their hair and fibers in her car. 333 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:06,780 Maybe they found her and killed her. Objection. Counsel. 334 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,940 It's just a theory, I know. 335 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,820 Did you explore this possibility, Deputy Stewart? 336 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,370 No, we did not. 337 00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:15,710 Why not? 338 00:21:16,430 --> 00:21:20,090 There was no evidence indicating any involvement by the parents. 339 00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:24,000 You didn't even consider that it could be anybody else, did you, Deputy? 340 00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:30,230 All the evidence pointed to him. All the evidence you bothered to collect. 341 00:21:30,231 --> 00:21:35,109 Under oath, Deputy Stewart, there's been a lot of public pressure for you to 342 00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:36,730 solve this crime, hasn't there? 343 00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:40,100 Public hysteria does not compromise our investigation. 344 00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:42,850 I again remind you that you are under oath. 345 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:50,779 When you interrogated Brian Latham, did you say to him, you won't get a fair 346 00:21:50,780 --> 00:21:54,020 trial. Somebody's going to pay for what happened to this girl. 347 00:21:54,420 --> 00:21:58,879 If you're the only suspect we offer up, then it'll be you, whether you're 348 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,260 innocent or not. 349 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:05,700 Did you say that, Deputy? 350 00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:12,820 That was in the context of an interrogation. He told you he was 351 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,980 And you responded, it doesn't matter. 352 00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:19,880 Somebody has to be blamed. And then you said, we're the cops. 353 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,100 We can do anything we want. 354 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,140 We were doing a good cop, bad cop thing. You said it, didn't you? 355 00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:33,670 Yes. 356 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,120 But you don't understand. 357 00:22:35,540 --> 00:22:36,590 Thank you. 358 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,900 But I think I do. 359 00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:01,510 I can't take this. I just cannot take this anymore. 360 00:23:02,910 --> 00:23:04,930 First, you violate the Constitution. 361 00:23:04,931 --> 00:23:08,349 Now, the case should have been kicked on that screw -up. And now this? 362 00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:14,469 I cannot take... You tell the defendant that he will not get a fair trial. It 363 00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:18,109 doesn't matter if he's innocent or not. The jury's going to convict him anyway? 364 00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:19,170 It was a tactic. 365 00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:20,540 A tactic? 366 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:23,650 It was a tact... Oh, it was a tactic. 367 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:29,359 We dispense... with the Constitution as a tactic. We threaten unfair trials as a 368 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:33,159 tactic. These are the tactics of the Rome, Wisconsin Sheriff's Department. I 369 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,870 have had it. John. No, a killer's going to walk, Sheriff. 370 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,050 Don't defend them. 371 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,840 Take responsibility. 372 00:23:38,841 --> 00:23:43,459 Their behavior is a reflection on you, and right now your whole damn 373 00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:44,510 department's a joke. 374 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:45,950 I'm a joke. 375 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,820 We are the team responsible for letting a murderer walk. 376 00:23:49,821 --> 00:23:54,749 Turn on the newscast tomorrow night and just listen to what all the commentators 377 00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:57,910 are saying about all of us. And if that doesn't sink in, try. 378 00:23:58,190 --> 00:24:01,080 Just try making eye contact with Susan Ingram's parents. 379 00:24:01,081 --> 00:24:05,129 Their daughter was chopped into pieces, and the man who's responsible is going 380 00:24:05,130 --> 00:24:08,080 to go free because of our incompetence. This isn't over yet. 381 00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:09,870 There's still Kenny's testimony. 382 00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:12,030 Imagine the confidence I get from that. 383 00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:14,230 Nothing is helped by this. 384 00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:17,910 Deputy Locos, tomorrow. 385 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:21,190 Tomorrow, I put the whole prosecution in your hands. 386 00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:39,280 Unexpected surprises are the best. 387 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,210 Not to me. 388 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,450 Get out. 389 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:43,710 You're a character. 390 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,710 I'm also the judge in the case you're trying. 391 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,380 Don't you know what ex parte is? Of course I do. It's Latin. 392 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,800 But when I saw you eating, I thought you might want company. 393 00:24:54,140 --> 00:24:55,540 Social. Wrong again. 394 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:57,190 Get out. 395 00:24:57,580 --> 00:25:03,839 You know, Henry, not to discuss the facts, because I know I cannot do that, 396 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,360 what a cross I had today. 397 00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:10,199 With Max on the stand, any lawyer could only hope to have one cross like that in 398 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,660 a career. I could actually get this guy off. 399 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,860 You must be very proud. 400 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:21,399 Back when I started practice, I would actually get aroused by success in the 401 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,450 courtroom. 402 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:24,780 Sexually stimulated. 403 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:26,540 Not a lot, but a little. 404 00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:33,340 I'm so happy you're sharing this. This all happened when I was in my 20s. 405 00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:37,300 I won a lot of cases since then. It's become routine. 406 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,919 But today, when I crossed Max, and when she admitted to those things that she 407 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,790 said in the interrogation, What a rush. 408 00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:49,330 I felt a little tingle. 409 00:25:49,910 --> 00:25:52,290 Not much, just a little. 410 00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:54,750 I had a moment, Henry. 411 00:25:58,930 --> 00:26:05,350 You must admit that the practice of law can be a very gratifying thing. 412 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,490 I need a housekeeper. 413 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:26,310 Boy's gone? 414 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,630 Yeah, they left early. They wanted to walk. 415 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,680 Shouldn't you be going to school? 416 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,220 I'm in court. The teachers know. 417 00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:39,040 Shouldn't miss a whole week. 418 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,460 What's the problem, Daddy? 419 00:26:41,461 --> 00:26:43,719 You don't want me sitting at Wambaugh's table. 420 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,670 I get it. But don't come at me sideways with the school thing. 421 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:49,100 Don't. Talk to me with that tone. 422 00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:50,860 My tone is honest. All right. 423 00:26:50,861 --> 00:26:54,999 You want me out of that courtroom so the jury might think that I abandoned the 424 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,059 defense. So how about this, Daddy? How about I go to court, announce Brian 425 00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:01,119 Latham is guilty, and then I'll go to school? 426 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,379 I told you to drop that tone. What about me? I haven't even looked at you in my 427 00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:07,280 class. Talk to you. I'm an adult now. 428 00:27:07,281 --> 00:27:10,959 You're a little sensitive because you are ashamed of what you are doing. 429 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,519 You should be ashamed of trying to take advantage of... I am ashamed. I'm 430 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,640 ashamed of my daughter. You go to hell! 431 00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:22,530 I knew he believed in God. 432 00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:27,269 And I asked him, as a believer in God, as a believer that every Christian 433 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:31,090 deserves a proper burial, I asked him to tell me where that body lay. 434 00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:32,600 And his response? 435 00:27:33,130 --> 00:27:34,630 At first, he just looked down. 436 00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:37,160 So I asked him to think about her parents. 437 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:39,090 I asked him to make things right. 438 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:42,730 I asked him again, make things right. 439 00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:44,710 That's when he told me. 440 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:46,270 Told you where to look. 441 00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:47,780 Exactly. 442 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,190 We then proceeded to the destination and retrieved the corpse. 443 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:56,600 And did Brian Latham admit to killing Susan Ingram? He didn't say it in words, 444 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,180 but he made it clear. 445 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,760 He put that girl in the swamp. 446 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,650 Thank you, Deputy. 447 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:04,840 I have nothing further. 448 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,760 Are you a mind reader, Kenny? 449 00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:11,600 No, sir, I'm not. 450 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,440 Yet you say that my client made something clear without words. 451 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:17,830 What'd you do, play charades? 452 00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:22,550 All I can say, counsel, is the communication isn't limited to words. 453 00:28:22,810 --> 00:28:25,100 Perhaps... May I finish my response, please? No. 454 00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:26,500 Yes. 455 00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:28,280 Go ahead. 456 00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:31,670 He was careful not to say it exactly. 457 00:28:32,290 --> 00:28:33,570 But I was in that room. 458 00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:35,830 I to I, we looked at each other. 459 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:37,830 Catholic to Catholic. 460 00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:40,130 We knew we had to face the truth. 461 00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:42,650 And he told me where the body was. 462 00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:45,180 He was admitting to me that he killed her. 463 00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:46,690 Did he say it with words? 464 00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:49,270 No. Did he say it? 465 00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:51,180 Yes, he did. 466 00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:56,949 So, we have to assume the body language skills of Kenny Lockers. I was the only 467 00:28:56,950 --> 00:29:00,729 person in the room with him. You can't contradict me because you weren't there. 468 00:29:00,730 --> 00:29:05,390 And I'm telling you and everybody in this room, that man killed Susan 469 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:07,070 Objection. Sustained. 470 00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:08,770 That remark is stricken. 471 00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:10,710 Any more questions, Mr. Wambaugh? 472 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:12,020 No, Your Honor. 473 00:29:12,510 --> 00:29:13,560 Nothing further. 474 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,940 The witness may step down. 475 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,160 We just got hurt. 476 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,850 Penny was good. 477 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,400 So what happens now? I think we got to testify. 478 00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:38,740 Now, you listen to me very carefully, Mr. Latham. Your life depends on it. 479 00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:40,470 Follow this. 480 00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:43,280 If you don't testify, we will lose. 481 00:29:43,790 --> 00:29:44,840 Now, that's simple. 482 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:46,650 Here's where it's complicated. 483 00:29:46,810 --> 00:29:50,890 As your lawyer, I have an obligation to say that you must tell the truth. 484 00:29:51,450 --> 00:29:57,349 If I know you're going to lie, I have a duty to either not put you up there or 485 00:29:57,350 --> 00:30:01,949 to let you testify in the narrative only, in which case the jury will figure 486 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:02,829 things out. 487 00:30:02,830 --> 00:30:06,789 The best thing would be, of course, for me to believe that you didn't kill Susan 488 00:30:06,790 --> 00:30:10,450 Agrams. Then I would have no ethical problem putting you on the stand. 489 00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:11,860 You with me? 490 00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:13,120 I think so. 491 00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:17,010 So I'm now going to ask you for the first time. 492 00:30:17,610 --> 00:30:19,590 Did you kill Susan Ingrams? 493 00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:23,190 No, I did not. 494 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:27,550 Excellent. Now, here are the problem areas you must explore. Kimberly. 495 00:30:27,551 --> 00:30:32,369 Fragments of your skin found under her fingernails. You said you briefly 496 00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:34,610 wrestled with her. A little sexual foreplay. 497 00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:37,490 Perhaps it got rough and she scratched you. 498 00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:38,980 I don't know. 499 00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:40,550 It's for you to think about. 500 00:30:41,150 --> 00:30:42,200 Kimberly. 501 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,570 Your footprints at the scene, you're knowing where the body was. 502 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,940 That's their whole case. 503 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,520 If you can satisfy these questions, we still have a chance. 504 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:55,720 Remember, you have an obligation to tell the truth at all times, of course. 505 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,970 Of course. 506 00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:58,900 Very important. 507 00:30:59,860 --> 00:31:06,219 If Mr. Littleton traps you on cross, if he catches you in any misstatement, it's 508 00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:09,890 probably because this whole thing is so upsetting that you get confused. 509 00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:13,960 Imagine being accused of such a horrible crime. 510 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,880 Whose mind wouldn't be affected? 511 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:17,070 I got you. 512 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,130 Good. 513 00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:22,640 So tell me, what happened after the two of you left the store? 514 00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:27,010 At first, we just drove around drinking the beer. 515 00:31:27,011 --> 00:31:30,619 We actually drove down to the pond for a little bit. I got out and looked 516 00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:32,480 around. You went to the pond? 517 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,110 Just for a few minutes. She said it was her favorite place. 518 00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:39,000 Then we went driving around some more. 519 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,000 and pulled over on a dirt road. 520 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,540 And what happened there? 521 00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:47,040 Well, we finished the beer, and we started to kiss a little bit. 522 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,220 Then things kind of heated up. 523 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,610 How? 524 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:57,260 Well, the kissing got a little more passionate, and I, you know, 525 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,320 touched her breasts and buttocks. 526 00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:01,580 And this was all consensual? 527 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,659 Completely. Then I kind of tried to take her pants off, and we wrestled a 528 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:07,710 little. 529 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,740 She kind of scratched me. 530 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,300 She scratched you? 531 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:14,070 Yes. 532 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,150 She said she didn't want to go any further, so we stopped. 533 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,330 And then what? 534 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,880 Then she drove me back down to the store, probably around 2. 535 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,620 I got out, got in my truck, and drove home. 536 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,440 That was the last I saw her. 537 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,580 Well, Brian, how did you know where the body was? 538 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,210 I didn't know. 539 00:32:36,469 --> 00:32:39,130 Deputy Locos kept pressing me for places to look. 540 00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:44,129 She had said that the pond was one of her favorite places, and I kind of 541 00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:45,450 directed him to look there. 542 00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:46,880 I didn't know. 543 00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:49,550 I was just trying to help. 544 00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:52,930 You were just trying to help. 545 00:32:52,931 --> 00:32:57,369 Tell me something, Mr. Latham. Why didn't you tell the police you'd been to 546 00:32:57,370 --> 00:32:58,420 pond? 547 00:32:58,421 --> 00:33:01,789 As they brought me in, my lawyer instructed me to tell them nothing. 548 00:33:01,790 --> 00:33:03,170 But you went on to say a lot. 549 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:04,740 Whoa. 550 00:33:04,741 --> 00:33:08,289 Once they said I was a suspect, I certainly told them all that I thought 551 00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:11,420 relevant, that I'd been kissing her and that we were together. 552 00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:15,770 I didn't think the pond was really relevant at that point. But at some 553 00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:17,410 you changed your mind about that. 554 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:23,129 Well, when she didn't turn up, I remembered her telling me that the pond 555 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:24,180 favorite place. 556 00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:28,489 So I thought maybe she went back there and maybe something happened to her 557 00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:31,130 there, but I didn't do it. Yeah, you keep saying that. 558 00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:33,290 Is there anybody... 559 00:33:33,291 --> 00:33:36,859 who can verify the time that you got back to your motel that night. I don't 560 00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:39,570 know. It's your job to collect evidence, not mine, sir. 561 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,650 Thank you. 562 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,660 And isn't it funny how all the evidence we did collect points right at you? 563 00:33:45,661 --> 00:33:49,899 And isn't it strange that you knew exactly where that body could be found? 564 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,579 But you say you didn't do it, so I guess it's our evidence versus your 565 00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:54,630 credibility. 566 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,020 Have you ever been convicted of a crime? 567 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,200 I asked you a question, sir. 568 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,060 Breaking and entering. How many times? 569 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:06,550 Twice. 570 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,540 You're a convicted felon. 571 00:34:09,541 --> 00:34:14,479 So can we both agree that when this jury goes back to deliberate, that it should 572 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,800 turn on your credibility? 573 00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:17,259 Objection sustained. 574 00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:19,179 One last thing. 575 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:26,738 You said when it became clear that the girl couldn't be found, you directed 576 00:34:26,739 --> 00:34:27,820 Kenny to the pond. 577 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,099 But when the police first brought you in, they made it clear that Susan Ingram 578 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,150 was missing. 579 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,370 Why didn't you tell them about the pond then? 580 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,360 I, uh... I forgot. 581 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,570 You forgot? 582 00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:48,600 I was being accused of a horrible crime. 583 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:50,880 I was upset. 584 00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:55,230 Can you imagine being told you're a murder suspect? 585 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,890 I was in shock. 586 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,180 Yeah, I bet you were. 587 00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:04,100 I'm done with this witness. 588 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:07,200 The witness may step down. 589 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,519 There must be something in the water in Rome, Wisconsin, because things just 590 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,360 seem to keep happening there, and they happen fast. 591 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,539 Today, the Brian Latham murder trial is expected to go to the jury, just two 592 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:38,359 weeks after the defendant allegedly killed Susan Engrams. You'll remember 593 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,399 is the same town where the mayor was convicted of murder last year, only to 594 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,600 succeeded by another mayor who was murdered by his own son. 595 00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:52,920 Maybe we should move. Just eat your cereal, Zach. 596 00:35:53,830 --> 00:35:56,390 I'm off to court. Anybody got a problem with that? 597 00:35:58,590 --> 00:35:59,640 No. 598 00:36:00,070 --> 00:36:01,120 Not at all? 599 00:36:01,490 --> 00:36:02,540 Good. 600 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:09,170 We all want to believe he's the guy. 601 00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:12,370 We're desperate to believe it. 602 00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:14,350 Of course, then we can fix things. 603 00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:17,580 You'd find him guilty, get him off the street. 604 00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:20,750 Go back to feeling safe and sitting on our front porches. 605 00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:24,290 The facts, they're pretty good. 606 00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:26,310 He was last seen with her. 607 00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:30,790 His footprints were at the pond and he knew where the body was. 608 00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:35,469 Now you could take the circumstantial evidence, combine it with your fear and 609 00:36:35,470 --> 00:36:37,330 desperation and fudge a conviction. 610 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:40,890 The town will probably be grateful to you. 611 00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:45,650 But I bet that there are a few of you... 612 00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:49,030 who are afraid of condemning an innocent man. 613 00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:55,789 Maybe some of you take seriously the obligation to find guilt beyond a 614 00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:56,840 reasonable doubt. 615 00:36:57,970 --> 00:37:00,150 Then you've got trouble. 616 00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:07,529 He drove to the pond with her, then to a roadside where they kissed a little and 617 00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:12,990 wrestled some. That explains all the physical evidence, the hairs, the 618 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:14,260 the footprints. 619 00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:18,740 His knowledge that she liked the pond, that explains it all. 620 00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:21,390 No weapon. 621 00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:23,920 No witnesses. 622 00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:27,680 No blood of my client or his possessions. 623 00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:29,760 Nothing even microscopic. 624 00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:32,420 How is that possible? 625 00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:36,240 There would have to be a small spattering of blood somewhere. 626 00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:38,560 Simple answer. 627 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,360 He didn't do it. 628 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:43,760 Brian Latham. 629 00:37:44,350 --> 00:37:45,400 is innocent. 630 00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:50,509 And even if you hate the thought of it, you at least have to admit the 631 00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:56,309 possibility. It's at least possible somebody came after Brian left and 632 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:58,010 Susan Engrams. 633 00:37:59,090 --> 00:38:03,549 Deputy Stewart testified that they didn't even look for anybody else. They 634 00:38:03,550 --> 00:38:05,630 didn't even investigate it. 635 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:09,829 They were confident that you would convict whoever they would throw up for 636 00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:10,880 sacrifice. 637 00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:12,830 So what do you do? 638 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:18,090 I could ask you to go back to that room and do right by Brian Latham. 639 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:20,970 I could ask you to do right by the system. 640 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:25,670 Instead, I'll only ask you to do right by yourselves. 641 00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:30,070 You all know there's reasonable doubt. 642 00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:32,270 You can't not know it. 643 00:38:33,070 --> 00:38:39,129 So all I ask is that when you come back out of that jury room, come out with 644 00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:40,730 your integrity intact. 645 00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:46,990 Come out with a verdict of not guilty. 646 00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:49,130 He's right. Not guilty. 647 00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:50,580 Come on. 648 00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:52,920 Mr. 649 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:56,080 Littleton. 650 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,090 You better be good. 651 00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:04,650 Well, for one, I agree with him. 652 00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:08,130 This thing comes down to your integrity. 653 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:14,019 The last thing I do is ask you to safeguard the system. The system today 654 00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:15,070 perverted. 655 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,940 Attorneys jockey for positioning. 656 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,540 We manipulate the press for jury bias. 657 00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:25,280 We hire publicists to remake criminals into victims. 658 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,010 The truth? 659 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,000 The truth is only relevant if it supports our case. 660 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:35,899 But this process still has one redeeming exception that continues to make it the 661 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:38,420 best in the world. It's called the jury. 662 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:44,989 It's made up of people who, for the most part, still cling to the ideal that it 663 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:46,610 must be about truth. 664 00:39:47,830 --> 00:39:52,809 It may be diminishing, but many Americans are still raised with a public 665 00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:56,570 conscience, an ingrained sense of morality. 666 00:39:57,850 --> 00:40:02,810 And if we get enough of those people in this box, the system still works. 667 00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:08,480 I don't know what we've got in this box today. 668 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:15,099 I do know you could go back to that room, dissect all the semantics, play 669 00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:18,460 the pieces of evidence, consider all the magical possibilities. 670 00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:23,020 You could stay back in that room for a week, because anything is possible. 671 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:26,020 Anything can be doubted. 672 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,780 But reasonable doubt? 673 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,420 Drifter with a criminal record. 674 00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:37,520 Last seen with her. 675 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,720 Knows exactly where the body was. His skin is under her fingernails. Come on. 676 00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:45,160 He killed that girl. 677 00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:48,900 He lied up on that chair. Every one of us knows that. 678 00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:53,120 Now, is it possible the things that he said? Of course. 679 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,659 Is it conceivable that he forgot to mention the pond to the police, but then 680 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,430 remembered on the stand with the help from his lawyer? 681 00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:03,900 Anything is conceivable. 682 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,640 But that's not what happened. 683 00:41:06,641 --> 00:41:12,229 You look each other in the eye when you go back to that room. You know what 684 00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:13,280 happened. 685 00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:19,370 That man brutally stabbed this girl to her death. 686 00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:23,310 Their daughter, Susan Ingle. 687 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:28,660 She's gone. 688 00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:31,860 She's gone forever. 689 00:41:36,130 --> 00:41:37,750 Do you people have a conscience? 690 00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:42,070 A barometer of good and evil. 691 00:41:43,610 --> 00:41:44,690 Show me. 692 00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:46,790 Show this community. 693 00:41:47,350 --> 00:41:49,150 Show these parents. 694 00:41:49,390 --> 00:41:54,790 Show them that the truth, in fact, does count more than the contest. 695 00:41:57,410 --> 00:42:01,310 Like he said, come out of that room with your integrity intact. 696 00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:41,100 When I said I was ashamed of you, I didn't mean it. 697 00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:45,110 I know. 698 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,160 I think the law can be a very noble profession. 699 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,920 Especially if you're part of it. 700 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,310 You're an extraordinary young woman, Kimberly. 701 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,180 I'm just afraid that... 702 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,740 You'll set your standards by one ball. 703 00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:12,740 That would be a shame. 704 00:43:16,111 --> 00:43:17,639 The 705 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:24,879 court 706 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,930 will come to order. 707 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,660 Will the defendant please rise? 708 00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:06,340 Madam Foreman, has the jury reached the verdict? 709 00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:08,200 We have, Your Honor. 710 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,930 What say you? 711 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,959 In the matter of people versus Brian Latham on the charge of murder in the 712 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,100 degree, we find the defendant guilty as charged. 713 00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:26,060 Yes! Get it! Yes! 714 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,590 Members of the jury, thank you for your time. 715 00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:37,420 Your service is concluded. 716 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,520 This matter is adjourned. 717 00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:42,820 Bailiff, take the defendant into custody. 718 00:44:59,781 --> 00:45:01,529 Will appeal. 719 00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,090 I've already written the brief. 720 00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:06,300 Van's waiting out back. Let's get him down. Deputy, one second. 721 00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:07,650 Come on. One second, please. 722 00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:09,780 Alone. 723 00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:11,340 Hold on. 724 00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:13,180 Make it quick. 725 00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:14,460 It's all over. 726 00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:16,320 Done. 727 00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:21,210 I got no motive to say anything to you. Say it fast. 728 00:45:22,330 --> 00:45:23,380 Truth time. 729 00:45:24,830 --> 00:45:25,910 Catholic to Catholic. 730 00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:28,000 Me to you. 731 00:45:31,530 --> 00:45:32,580 I didn't do it. 732 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:36,450 I'm going to jail forever. 733 00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:39,890 I know it. 734 00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:41,680 I'm convicted. 735 00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:44,040 But I'm innocent. 736 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:48,630 We gotta go. Come on. 737 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,230 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 59516

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