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♪ There's something happening here ♪
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♪ What it is ain't exactly clear ♪
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♪ There's a man with a gun over there ♪
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♪ Telling me I got to beware ♪
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- This is an unlawful assembly.
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You must disperse immediately.
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♪ There's battle lines being drawn ♪
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♪ Nobody's right if everybody's wrong ♪
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♪ Young people speaking their minds ♪
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♪ Getting so much resistance from behind ♪
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♪ It's time we stop,
hey, what's that sound ♪
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Everybody look what's going down
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- All rise.
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United States district court
for the northern district
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of Illinois now is in session.
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The honorable Judge Julius
J. Hoffman presiding.
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- Ladies and gentleman of
the jury, good morning.
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- 69 CR 180, the United States of America
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versus David Dellinger, et al for trial.
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- Your mayor proud to welcome
a great political gathering
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of Americans will come here
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to shape the future of the nation
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and as long as I'm mayor of this town,
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there will be law and order in Chicago.
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- Mr. Schultz representing the government.
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- The government, ladies
and gentlemen of the jury,
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will prove in this case an overall plan
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of the eight defendants to
encourage numerous people
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to come to the city of Chicago
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during the Democratic National Convention,
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which was held from August
26th through August 29th, 1968.
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They planned to bring
these people into Chicago
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to create a situation where
these people would riot.
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The government will prove
that David Dellinger.
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- Well, I was described
as an antiwar activist
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or a pacifist leader and today
I'm called a peace activist,
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but I don't like any of those terms
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because I think you can't
have peace without justice.
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- The defendant Renard Davis.
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- I came out of a very conservative family
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that very much believed
in American values.
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I would say I was a full
time activist, you know,
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with a passion to end the war in Vietnam.
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- Next to him, Thomas Hayden.
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Who is standing.
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- Who is the last defendant you named?
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- Mr. Hayden.
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- The one that shook his fist
in the direction of the jury?
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- That's my customary
greeting, your honor.
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- It may be your customary greeting,
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but we do not allow shaking
your fist in this courtroom.
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- It implied no disrespect to the jury.
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It is my customary greeting.
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- Irregardless of what it implies, sir,
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there will be no fist shaking
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and I caution you not to repeat it.
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- I began as a innocent
enough idealistic reformer,
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a student editor, a person
that believed in civil rights.
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I had been a founder
and an early president
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of students for democratic society.
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- May I proceed, your honor?
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- Yes, Mr. Schultz, yes.
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- And promoting and encouraging this riot,
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the defendants Dellinger, Davis and Hayden
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joined with five other defendants
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to create the riots in
Chicago during the convention.
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The defendant Abbott Hoffman.
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- The jury is directed to
disregard the kiss thrown
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by the defendant Hoffman and
the defendant is directed
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not to do that sort of thing again.
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- But here we were
growing up in the late 50s
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with the whole idea of material success.
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The designer brain mentality.
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We could have credit cards if we wanted.
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We could have good paying jobs.
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We didn't have to worry about
keeping up with Mr. Jones
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'cause we were Mr. Jones.
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And we said no to that primetime culture.
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We just said chuck it.
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We just said it's boring.
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It's spiritually unrewarding.
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And it's unjust for people
too poor to participate in.
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Now they couldn't understand that at all.
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- And with him, a man named Jerry Rubin.
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- I was writing books at the time.
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I was a political activist.
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My job full time was
inspiring young people
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to think for themselves,
to resist authority,
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and to create a new social
order in the United States.
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That's how I saw myself.
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- These men call themselves
leaders of the yippie.
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Two more of these
individuals are Lee Wiener.
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- Wiener.
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- I had a master's degree in sociology
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and I was just about finished
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with my doctorate in sociology.
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Being nothing more than a
nice middle class Jewish boy
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doing what his parents grew him up to be,
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which is speaking for himself
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and for helping other
people secure their rights.
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- And John Froines.
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- I was an assistant
professor of chemistry
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at the University of Oregon.
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At the same time, I was
a political activist.
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A social activist.
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- And the eighth person,
the last person who joined
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is a man named Bobby Seale.
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- Huey P. Newton and I created
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and founded an organization
called the Black Panther party.
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We talking about full
employment for our people.
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The power to determine our own destiny
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in our own black community.
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- The government will prove
the defendants Dellinger,
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Davis, Hayden, Hoffman, Rubin
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and Seale traveled across
state lines through Chicago
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with intent to organize, to
insight, and to promote a riot.
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And the government will
prove the defendant Froines
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and Weiner taught and
demonstrated to other people,
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the use and making of incendiary devices
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to be used to further this disorder.
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The government will prove each
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of these defendants guilty as charged.
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Thank you.
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- Voices of angry protest are
heard throughout the land,
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crying for all manner of freedoms.
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- Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
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my name is William Kunstler.
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I'm an attorney from the city of New York
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and I'm one of the attorneys on this case.
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We hope to prove before
you that this prosecution,
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which you are hearing is
the result of two motives
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on the part of the government.
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- Objection.
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Is there any motives of
prosecution of the court?
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- Your honor, it is a proper
defense to show motive.
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- I sustain the objection.
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You may speak to the guilt
or innocent to your clients,
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not to the motive of the government.
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- Your honor, I always
thought that to show motive--
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- I sustained the objection
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regardless of what you've
always thought, Mr. Kunstler.
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- The evidence will show
that the defendants,
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like many other citizens
of the United States,
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came to protest in the
finest American tradition.
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They came to Chicago to
protest the continuation
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of this bloody and unjustified war.
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The evidence will show that
there were forces in this city
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and in the national government
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who are absolutely determined
to prevent this protest.
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What actually happened in
the streets of Chicago,
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not a riot caused by demonstrators,
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but a riot engineered by the police.
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Before you is a classic example
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of government against people
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of their rights violated by Billy clubs.
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We will demonstrate that free speech
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died here in the streets under those clubs
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and at the bodies of the demonstrators
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was sacrifices to its death.
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- Objection, your honor.
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- I sustain the objection.
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I direct the jury to
disregard the last statement
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of the counsel for the defense.
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- Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
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- Is there any other defense lawyer
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who wishes to make an opening statement?
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I take it that you're standing
there means yes you do, Mr.
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Mr. Weinglass.
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- Yes, your honor.
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That is correct.
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If your honor, please.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
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Mr. Kunstler indicated that
persons who came to Chicago
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felt a moral anguish
at what they considered
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to be wrongful conduct of this country.
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It was another group of
people who came to Chicago,
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not for the purpose of protesting,
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but for the purpose of showing the public
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and the leaders and the
rulers of this country
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that there was emerging a new culture.
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This group generally
called Yippies came here
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for a conclave to be known
as the festival of life.
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They had invited a number of rock bands
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relevant to the youth culture.
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I do not ask you to accept or like,
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or agree with any of the speeches,
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which my clients might've given.
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- Your honor, I object.
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Counsel argues the case.
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It is improper.
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- I sustain the objection.
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- So I ask you to keep an open mind
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and to await before making your judgment.
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Thank you.
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- Does any other defense lawyer wish
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to make an opening statement?
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Just a minute, sir.
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Who is your lawyer?
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- Charles. R. Gary.
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- Bobby Seale was in jail
pending a murder trial
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in Connecticut where he was
supposed to be a defendant
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and which later exonerated him.
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- Now, Bobby's lawyer is Charles Gary
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and Charles was having a
medical operation at the time.
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- The man had been cut open.
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I mean, how's he gonna come to trial?
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All we needed was a little postponement.
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You know what I mean?
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Like two, three, four weeks
and something like that.
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Judge wasn't gonna do that.
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Later for that.
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- Mr. Kunstler, do you
represent Mr. Seale?
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- No, your honor.
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As far as Mr. Seale has indicated to me
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that because of the absence
of Charles R. Gary--
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- Have you filed his appearance?
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- I have filed an appearance
for Mr. Seale, yes.
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- All right.
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I will permit you to make
another opening statement
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on behalf of Mr. Seale if you like.
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I will not permit a party in the case to--
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- Your honor, I cannot
compromise Mr. Seale's position.
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- I don't ask you to compromise it, sir,
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but I will not permit
him to address the jury
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with his very competent
lawyers standing there.
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- At a meeting on
August 8th, 1968, who said what?
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- Mr. Hoffman said he wanted the mayor
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to grant a permit for use of Lincoln Park.
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They wanted to use the park to sleep in.
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I said that the mayor had no authority
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over the park district.
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- Now calling your attention
to August 21st, 1968.
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What brought you to the
courtroom of Judge William Lynch?
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- There was a lawsuit filed
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by the national mobilization committee
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to end the war and by Mr. Rennie Davis,
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Tom Hayden and others
against the city of Chicago.
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I said that the city was predisposed
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to issue a permit for a march
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if Mr. Davis was willing to
accept a reasonable proposal.
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- What happened then?
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- Well, Mr. Davis said
that he wanted to meet
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with an eyesight of the amphitheater.
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I pointed out no one was
permitted in that area
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because of security
precautions for the convention.
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He said if the city
wants to avoid violence,
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you should take all the police
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and guardsmen away from the amphitheater.
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That it was his experience
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that the police actually caused violence.
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He also said that his members
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couldn't really be housed
in hotel accommodations.
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That many of them didn't have money.
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He said that if the city
doesn't give us the park,
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there will be tens of thousands of people
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without a place to stay and
they will go into the parks
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and the police will drive them out
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and there'll be disorder,
tear gas, mace, Billy clubs.
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- With respect to the law,
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which does not permit staying
in the park beyond 11,
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was that requirement
waived for the Boy Scouts?
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- Apparently, yes.
266
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- But don't you think
it would have been wiser
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to let the kids sleep in the park?
268
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- I was told by Abbie Hoffman
that during the convention
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there would be 500,000 young people
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attending the festival of life.
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Mr. Rubin said, they'd be holding classes
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in defense against the police.
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Abbie Hoffman said he was
prepared to tear up our town
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and that if we were smart, we the city,
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we would give them $100,000.
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Or better still give him
100,000 and he would leave town.
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- I said 200,000.
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- This festival would include, he said,
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body painting, nude ins at the
beaches, public fornication,
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discussion of the draft,
and draft invasion.
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- Your honor, at this time I would like
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to offer evidence with respect
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to the defendant Dellinger only.
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- Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
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the testimony the witness is about to give
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is offered only with respect
to the defendant Derringer.
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- I think your honor means Dellinger.
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- Dellinger.
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That's right.
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- Mr. Dellinger said we must issue--
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- I'm going to get back
to you, Mr. witness.
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I mispronounced the defendant's name.
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You said Dillinger.
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It's Derringer.
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We were both wrong.
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You mean Mr. Derringer, do you not?
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- Dellinger.
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Dellinger.
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- Said that it was necessary
that we issue a permit
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for sleeping in Lincoln Park
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in order to minimize destruction.
302
00:14:55,890 --> 00:14:57,730
- Now, if my understanding is correct,
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all your meetings with Jerry and Abbie
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took place in city hall.
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- Your honor, I object to the
reference to these two little.
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To Abbie and Jerry.
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Let's call the defendants
by their proper names.
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- I agree.
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- Now you testified in your meeting
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with Jerry Rubin and Abbie
Hoffman some mention of $100,000.
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Is that correct?
312
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- Yes, that is correct.
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- Did you take that discussion seriously?
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- Yes, I most certainly did.
315
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- Now in your meeting with Rennie and Tom.
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- Oh your honor, here we go again.
317
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Another 29 year old being Rennie baby.
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- I object to that, your honor.
319
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Would you direct the jury
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to disregard the Rennie baby remark?
321
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It's unfounded.
322
00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:45,870
- If the United States attorney
said that I certainly do.
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Crowd the baby out of your minds.
324
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We're not dealing with babies here.
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- My mother, who's a Republican,
now 75 year old woman
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sent me a five pound box of jellybeans.
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- Jellybeans.
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Jellybeans.
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- All rise.
330
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The court is now in session.
331
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- On Sunday evening I
observed a Jerry Rubin
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in Lincoln Park pointing
at the police officers.
333
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Then he began to shout.
334
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He used some profanity.
335
00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:27,070
- If profane words were spoken,
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part of something an individual had said,
337
00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:33,983
I think it's appropriate in
law that a witness so testify.
338
00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:38,730
- He says, look at
these motherfucking pigs
339
00:16:38,730 --> 00:16:40,330
standing over here.
340
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Take off your guns and we'll
fight you hand to hand.
341
00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:48,180
- I was assigned to follow Mr. Jerry Rubin
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00:16:48,180 --> 00:16:53,180
- During all this period,
did you ever see him throw
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an object at another human being?
344
00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:57,390
- Wednesday.
345
00:16:57,390 --> 00:16:59,030
- Wednesday?
346
00:16:59,030 --> 00:17:00,260
He threw an object?
347
00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:01,093
- Yes.
348
00:17:01,093 --> 00:17:02,283
He threw a sweater.
349
00:17:02,283 --> 00:17:03,160
- At who?
350
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:03,993
- At me.
351
00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:07,488
- I take it you were
uninjured by the sweater.
352
00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:14,810
- I was dressed in a white
shirt, khaki pants and gym shoes.
353
00:17:14,810 --> 00:17:15,643
Sneakers.
354
00:17:15,643 --> 00:17:18,180
- Would you please relate
what the defendant Davis said
355
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about civil disobedience
356
00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:22,476
and the democratic national convention?
357
00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:24,754
- He said they were going
to be demonstrations
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and civil disobedience to
disrupt the convention.
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00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,450
- And neither mob violence
360
00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:32,730
nor police brutality have any place.
361
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- So the prosecution had the point of view
362
00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:37,060
that we were international revolutionaries
363
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and they bought on a parade of policemen.
364
00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:44,620
- Among them were informants
who penetrated our ranks,
365
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which wasn't very difficult to do
366
00:17:45,970 --> 00:17:49,780
since we're a very casual organization.
367
00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:53,078
- I submit to the court that
the right of persons to meet,
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to assemble and to discuss
outstanding political,
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social questions without
fear of intimidation
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00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,490
of police officers is paramount.
371
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And to allow undercover
agents to attend the meetings
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00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,750
and make reports is a violation
of the first amendment,
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00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:10,663
of freedom of speech and assembly.
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00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:13,050
For that reason I ask
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that the officer's testimony be stricken.
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00:18:15,330 --> 00:18:17,770
- Your honor, I object to their motion.
377
00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:19,320
- We're opening up mail
378
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,123
and somebody opened the
wrong envelope quickly.
379
00:18:23,123 --> 00:18:27,500
- And it was some very green marijuana.
380
00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:29,260
Maybe about four ounces.
381
00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:30,800
- You approve
of your client laughing
382
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,430
while the court is making a decision?
383
00:18:32,430 --> 00:18:35,190
- I didn't hear, your honor.
384
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:37,120
I was talking with Mr. Davis.
385
00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,550
- You seem to be enjoying their laughter
386
00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:40,210
because you smiled yourself.
387
00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:42,140
- A smile is not forbidden
388
00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:44,283
in federal court, I think your honor.
389
00:18:45,330 --> 00:18:47,510
I think I ought to put on record
390
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:50,730
that Mr. Davis complemented Mr. Foran
391
00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:52,100
on making a good point.
392
00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:54,159
- Motion will be denied.
393
00:18:54,159 --> 00:18:56,210
And as long as you were
putting things on the record,
394
00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:57,960
I think I will put on the record
395
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,470
the posture of one of your clients.
396
00:19:00,470 --> 00:19:02,930
This is the United States district court.
397
00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:06,760
Have a look at him lying down
there like he's on the ground.
398
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,660
- May reflect his attitude toward
399
00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:10,370
what is going on in this courtroom.
400
00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:11,203
- Oh, I think it does.
401
00:19:11,203 --> 00:19:13,860
I think it does reflect his attitude.
402
00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:15,010
- Then it is free speech.
403
00:19:15,010 --> 00:19:17,796
- And that attitude will be
appropriately dealt with.
404
00:19:17,796 --> 00:19:19,181
- Boo.
405
00:19:19,181 --> 00:19:21,770
- Again three marshalls back there
406
00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:23,233
deal with those comments.
407
00:19:24,372 --> 00:19:25,205
- Hey man.
408
00:19:28,942 --> 00:19:32,579
♪ So easy to sleep ♪
409
00:19:32,579 --> 00:19:36,063
♪ People everywhere just wanna be free ♪
410
00:19:36,063 --> 00:19:37,559
♪ Listen, please listen ♪
411
00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:39,773
♪ That's the way it should be ♪
412
00:19:39,773 --> 00:19:41,348
♪ There's peace in the valley ♪
413
00:19:41,348 --> 00:19:45,470
♪ People got to be free ♪
414
00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:49,220
- My assignment was an
undercover investigator.
415
00:19:49,220 --> 00:19:50,190
- Did you in any way
416
00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:52,050
alter your physical appearance
417
00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:55,230
to conduct your assignment as
an undercover investigator?
418
00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:56,900
- Yes, I did.
419
00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:59,350
I allowed my hair to grow long.
420
00:19:59,350 --> 00:20:01,350
I allowed myself to go without a shave
421
00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:04,160
for approximately four to six weeks.
422
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,140
I purchased the attire of
a motorcycle gang member,
423
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:10,930
which is motorcycle
boots, a black tee shirt,
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00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:14,200
black Levi's and a black leather vest.
425
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,850
And I also rented a motorcycle.
426
00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:19,580
- On Monday in Lincoln
Park who did you meet with?
427
00:20:19,580 --> 00:20:21,430
- I was introduced to Abbie Hoffman
428
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:23,710
to be one of his bodyguards.
429
00:20:23,710 --> 00:20:26,530
Hoffman shook my hand and said he was glad
430
00:20:26,530 --> 00:20:27,900
to have me with him.
431
00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:30,140
I said to Hoffman that
last night's confrontation
432
00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:31,060
was a pretty good one.
433
00:20:31,060 --> 00:20:34,880
And Hoffman said to me, they
pushed us out of the park,
434
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,770
but tonight we're gonna hold the park.
435
00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:40,420
- What did you say when
Hoffman told you this, please?
436
00:20:40,420 --> 00:20:41,610
- I told him he could count on me
437
00:20:41,610 --> 00:20:43,140
in every way possible in helping him
438
00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:46,230
and doing my best to keep
him from being arrested.
439
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:47,350
- Where'd you go then?
440
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:51,010
- Tom Hayden had been arrested
and a march was formed
441
00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:53,734
to go to police
headquarters to free Hayden.
442
00:20:53,734 --> 00:20:57,615
I was introduced by Jerry Rubin
as his personal bodyguard.
443
00:20:57,615 --> 00:20:59,593
He was told I could be trusted.
444
00:21:01,551 --> 00:21:04,080
Rubin said that it was too many pigs here.
445
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:04,913
Let's go to the Hilton.
446
00:21:04,913 --> 00:21:07,050
So we went North on Michigan Avenue.
447
00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:09,430
When the march was midpoint
past the Logan statue,
448
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:12,190
the crowd broke and ran up the statue
449
00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:15,954
screaming take the Hill.
450
00:21:15,954 --> 00:21:18,963
They climbed the statute and
displayed the Vietcong flag.
451
00:21:19,826 --> 00:21:22,010
The red flag and the black flag.
452
00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:26,123
Rubin said that this was
better than Iwo Jima.
453
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,880
I saw Rennie Davis with a
microphone saying hold the statue.
454
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:34,920
Don't let the pigs move you out
455
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:40,400
Rubin said we've got to do
more to keep the crowd active.
456
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,850
We want them in the park
for the Bobby Seale speech.
457
00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:47,727
- I object on the grounds
of my lawyer is not here.
458
00:21:47,727 --> 00:21:49,710
You know my lawyer is
not here, your honor,
459
00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:51,620
and I want my lawyer here
when he mentions my name
460
00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:53,150
and testifies against me.
461
00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:55,410
- Ask him to sit down, Mr. Marshall.
462
00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:56,713
- Sit down, Mr. Seale.
463
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:59,350
- Your honor, this little episode
464
00:21:59,350 --> 00:22:00,430
for the benefit of the jury
465
00:22:00,430 --> 00:22:03,510
is intended simply to misconstrue the fact
466
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:06,913
that this man originally had
four lawyers to begin with.
467
00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:12,920
- In the speech Bobby
Seale said that the time
468
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,780
for singing "We Shall Overcome" is past
469
00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:19,210
and now is the time to act, to go out,
470
00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:24,210
and buy a 357 Magnum and
a 45 and kill the pigs.
471
00:22:25,210 --> 00:22:27,810
Rubin began to yell kill
the pigs, kills the cops.
472
00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:32,800
A man with a plastic bag said to Rubin,
473
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,560
I'm gonna fill this bag with human shit
474
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,973
and throw it at the pigs.
475
00:22:38,298 --> 00:22:40,610
And Rubin laughed and said good.
476
00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:43,400
It'll be good food for the pigs.
477
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,470
- Thank you, Mr. Pearson.
478
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:46,120
No further questions, your honor.
479
00:22:48,490 --> 00:22:50,460
- When you heard Jerry Rubin speak,
480
00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:53,030
was there any change in
the mood of the assemblage?
481
00:22:53,030 --> 00:22:54,460
- Not that I noticed.
482
00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,760
- Did the group
become violent in any way?
483
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,031
- No, sir.
484
00:22:58,031 --> 00:23:02,090
- Now, concerning Mr. Seale's speech,
485
00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:05,430
was not the only reference
to killing the pigs
486
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:09,950
when he talked about self
defense against an unjust attack?
487
00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:11,223
Isn't that the context?
488
00:23:12,309 --> 00:23:15,070
- That's what you said, Mr. Weinglass.
489
00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:16,470
That's not what I have said.
490
00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:19,930
- The problem with the
trial from our point of view
491
00:23:19,930 --> 00:23:23,050
was that we were being
diverted from our primary job.
492
00:23:23,050 --> 00:23:27,980
Our primary job was to
organize antiwar activities.
493
00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:30,110
- And we wanted to
participate very seriously
494
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:31,370
in the Vietnam moratorium.
495
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:34,300
- It may have been the
largest nationwide turnout
496
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:38,300
of Americans against any
war in American history.
497
00:23:39,569 --> 00:23:40,402
- Yes.
498
00:23:40,402 --> 00:23:41,297
Morning, troops.
499
00:23:41,297 --> 00:23:43,135
- Good morning, Abbie.
500
00:23:43,135 --> 00:23:44,262
- All rise.
501
00:23:44,262 --> 00:23:45,679
- Hey, gentlemen.
502
00:23:46,947 --> 00:23:48,850
- The court is now in session.
503
00:23:48,850 --> 00:23:51,633
The honorable judge, Julius
J. Hoffman presiding.
504
00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:57,247
- Your honor, we have made a motion
505
00:23:57,247 --> 00:23:59,620
for the suspension of
the trial for tomorrow.
506
00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:02,993
It's been declared a day
called Vietnam Moratorium.
507
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:05,533
These men escaped Chicago
508
00:24:05,533 --> 00:24:08,510
to protest this brutal imperialistic war.
509
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:12,129
They feel they are being
prosecuted for doing so.
510
00:24:12,129 --> 00:24:13,660
I think it very fitting
for them to be permitted
511
00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:17,070
to join the millions of
countrymen desire the same thing.
512
00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:19,240
- Your honor, there's been
some evidence presented
513
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,331
that these men took part in a cynical plan
514
00:24:22,331 --> 00:24:25,150
to use the tragic issue of the war
515
00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:26,710
to tear down the formal structure
516
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:29,400
of the government of the United States.
517
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,090
Now many of us feel the tragedy of war,
518
00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:33,080
especially some of us
who have fought in one
519
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,570
and that they should now ask to join
520
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:36,990
with maybe a sincere effort--
521
00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:38,730
- Your honor, I think
these personal attacks
522
00:24:38,730 --> 00:24:40,653
of the defendants are uncalled for.
523
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:45,670
I think they are making a fervent request
524
00:24:45,670 --> 00:24:48,170
to protest the deaths of thousands,
525
00:24:48,170 --> 00:24:51,490
millions of innocent people
526
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,220
whose lives have been corrupted
527
00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:57,040
and prevented by the
utter horror that goes on
528
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,260
in your name and in my name.
529
00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:00,340
- Not in my name.
530
00:25:00,340 --> 00:25:02,610
- It is in your name, too.
531
00:25:02,610 --> 00:25:04,080
The name of the United States.
532
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,620
- You just include yourself.
533
00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:07,140
Don't join me with you.
534
00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:08,880
Goodness.
535
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,573
Defendants motion for an
adjournment will be denied.
536
00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,724
♪ War huh ♪
537
00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:15,772
♪ Good God, y'all ♪
538
00:25:15,772 --> 00:25:17,860
♪ What is it good for ♪
539
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:19,353
♪ Absolutely nothing ♪
540
00:25:19,353 --> 00:25:21,099
♪ Say it again ♪
541
00:25:21,099 --> 00:25:24,025
♪ War huh ♪
542
00:25:24,025 --> 00:25:27,300
- The names of those who died
in the war this week are.
543
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,303
Mark King.
544
00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:31,403
Thomas Diaz.
545
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:33,513
Tron T. Line.
546
00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:36,370
John Cohen.
547
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:37,920
Lein Who.
548
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,553
Richard Washington.
549
00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:41,930
Phong Boc.
550
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:43,093
Allen Peterson.
551
00:25:44,014 --> 00:25:45,283
Tron Bon Duke.
552
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,350
Roger Brianski.
553
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:48,633
- Hey, hold on.
554
00:25:48,633 --> 00:25:49,593
Hey, come on.
555
00:25:50,527 --> 00:25:51,360
Relax.
556
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,396
Give it to me.
557
00:25:52,396 --> 00:25:53,767
Knock it off.
558
00:25:53,767 --> 00:25:56,870
- Mr. Hoffman, we
are observing the moratorium.
559
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:58,930
- I am Judge Hoffman, sir.
560
00:25:58,930 --> 00:26:00,380
- I believe in equality, sir.
561
00:26:00,380 --> 00:26:03,680
So I prefer to call people
Mr. or by their first name.
562
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,612
- Sit down.
563
00:26:04,612 --> 00:26:07,403
- We propose that we
observe a moment's silence.
564
00:26:07,403 --> 00:26:08,590
- Court please, I would like the Marshall
565
00:26:08,590 --> 00:26:10,380
to take this man into custody.
566
00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:11,600
- We only wanted a moment of silence.
567
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,140
- I object to this man
speaking out in court.
568
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,990
- You needn't to object.
569
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:17,627
I forbid him to disrupt the proceedings
570
00:26:17,627 --> 00:26:20,360
and I note for the
record that his name is.
571
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,511
- David Dellinger's my name, sir.
572
00:26:22,511 --> 00:26:24,390
- The name of this man who has intended
573
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:26,520
to disrupt proceedings is David Dellinger
574
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,890
and the record will clearly
indicate that, Miss Reporter,
575
00:26:28,890 --> 00:26:30,840
and I direct him and all the others
576
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,330
not to repeat such occurrence.
577
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:34,915
- Your honor, I want to
object Mr. Foran's yelling
578
00:26:34,915 --> 00:26:36,680
in the presence of the jury.
579
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,127
Your honor, as the counselor
defense that's for yelling.
580
00:26:39,127 --> 00:26:40,760
- Oh your honor, this is outrageous.
581
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,730
This man is a mouthpiece.
582
00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:44,870
Just look at him wearing an
armband like his clients.
583
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:47,650
For any lawyer to come into a courtroom
584
00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:49,460
and have no respect for the court.
585
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:51,460
The government protests his attitude
586
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:52,460
and would like to move the court
587
00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:53,590
to make note of his conduct.
588
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:56,487
- Your honor, I think the
temper and the tone of voice
589
00:26:56,487 --> 00:26:59,367
and the expression on Mr. Foran's face
590
00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:01,950
tells more than any picture could tell.
591
00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:03,280
- Of my contempt for Mr.--
592
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,280
- To call another attorney a mouthpiece.
593
00:27:06,395 --> 00:27:09,030
And for your honor not to open his mouth
594
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:10,850
and say this is not to
be done in this court,
595
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:13,200
I think violates the
sanctity of this court.
596
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,050
It is a word that your honor knows
597
00:27:15,050 --> 00:27:17,251
is contemptuous and contumacious.
598
00:27:17,251 --> 00:27:18,950
- Don't tell me what I know.
599
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,720
- I am wearing an armband
to moratorium to the dead,
600
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,700
which is no disgrace in this country.
601
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:24,807
I want him admonished.
602
00:27:24,807 --> 00:27:27,090
- Did you say you wanted to admonish me?
603
00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:29,840
- I want you to admonish him.
604
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,060
- Let the record show I do not admonish
605
00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:33,440
the United States attorney
606
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,617
because he has properly
represented his client,
607
00:27:35,617 --> 00:27:37,430
the United States of America.
608
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:39,540
- To call another attorney a mouthpiece,
609
00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:41,670
are you turning down my request?
610
00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:43,075
After this disgraceful episode,
611
00:27:43,075 --> 00:27:45,940
you are not going to say anything?
612
00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:48,640
- I not only turn it down, I ignore it.
613
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,650
- That speaks louder than words.
614
00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:53,940
- Sir, you are a lawyer in the
United States district court
615
00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:55,510
permitting your client to stand up
616
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:59,140
in the presence of the jury
and disrupt these proceedings.
617
00:27:59,140 --> 00:28:01,530
I do not know how to characterize it.
618
00:28:01,530 --> 00:28:05,170
- We do not permit our clients.
619
00:28:05,170 --> 00:28:09,360
They are free independent human
beings who have been brought
620
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,970
by the government into this courtroom.
621
00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:13,050
- That is right.
622
00:28:13,050 --> 00:28:15,740
They are free, but they will conform
623
00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:17,790
to the directions of the court here, sir.
624
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,290
- Mr. Davis said, there would
be no way to deal logically
625
00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:24,070
or rationally with the Chicago police.
626
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:25,380
That they were the most belligerent,
627
00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:27,130
unthinking law enforcement agency
628
00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:29,390
and that there was no hope
of avoiding a confrontation
629
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:30,790
with the Chicago police.
630
00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:32,820
He said that if the demonstrators tried
631
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:34,160
to sleep in the park, they could expect
632
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:34,993
to be surrounded by the police
633
00:28:34,993 --> 00:28:37,290
and that they should form separate groups
634
00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:40,000
and break out of the park
and go into the city.
635
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,113
And in his own words,
636
00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:45,763
tie it up and bust it up.
637
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,480
If an arrest situation commands,
638
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,793
Mr. Davis said, we just riot.
639
00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:54,720
- Calling your attention
to an earlier afternoon
640
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,340
in Lincoln Park August 24th.
641
00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:58,760
What was going on there?
642
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,170
- 25 or 30 people lined
up side by side in rows
643
00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:05,376
of five or six so that they all
faced in the same direction.
644
00:29:05,376 --> 00:29:07,880
Then each row linked arms and they began
645
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,935
to chant something to
synchronized foot movements.
646
00:29:11,935 --> 00:29:16,380
Mr. Hayden told the group that
this snake dance formation
647
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,780
was the same type the
Japanese students used
648
00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:22,090
to precipitate riots in Japan in 1960.
649
00:29:22,090 --> 00:29:24,780
He said that by getting people
together in this formation,
650
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:25,790
it aroused their emotions.
651
00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:28,680
It was very good for
breaking through police lines
652
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,646
and moving people in the
event of a riot situation.
653
00:29:31,646 --> 00:29:33,520
- Did you see any of the defendants
654
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,340
directing those snake dances
and those karate techniques?
655
00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:37,900
- Objection, leading.
656
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:39,530
- I don't believe it's leading.
657
00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:40,940
I overrule the objection.
658
00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:42,150
You may answer, sir.
659
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:44,420
- Mr. Hoffman was leading
one of those groups.
660
00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:45,750
- I was not.
661
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:48,873
- You describe your
role as a paid informer.
662
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,593
- No.
663
00:29:51,593 --> 00:29:54,750
- You recall making a
lengthy statement to the FBI?
664
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,970
And in it, what did you say
your employer said to you?
665
00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:59,030
- Well he said, would you object
666
00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:01,790
to infiltrating SDSN national mobilization
667
00:30:01,790 --> 00:30:03,100
in order to get stories pertinent
668
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,610
to the democratic national convention?
669
00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:07,278
I said, I would.
670
00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:11,587
- Your honor is something happening?
671
00:30:11,587 --> 00:30:12,847
I don't understand what's happening.
672
00:30:12,847 --> 00:30:15,430
The marshalls are asking people to leave.
673
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:16,732
- I know nothing about it.
674
00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:18,240
Ladies and gentlemen, I
will not have talking,
675
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,690
finger waving or any distraction.
676
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:20,810
Do I make myself clear?
677
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:23,180
- I think there's a bit
of racism involved myself.
678
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:24,558
- Your honor, may the record show
679
00:30:24,558 --> 00:30:28,713
that a number of the
marshals are black people.
680
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,340
This is, you know, this
is our daily exercise
681
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:34,160
by getting stories in the newspapers.
682
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,090
It's just so utterly ridiculous.
683
00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:39,610
All I get from your clients
constantly is a laugh.
684
00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:41,079
Just this second justice they sit there
685
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,950
and laugh at a judge of
the highest trial court
686
00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:45,056
in the United States.
687
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:49,843
- I don't wanna die.
688
00:30:49,843 --> 00:30:51,660
I don't wanna be anybody's martyr,
689
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:54,380
but you know, to my wife, you know,
690
00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:58,450
let my kid know that I just
stood up for some human justice.
691
00:30:58,450 --> 00:31:00,790
- There is a motion here
of defendant Bobby Seale
692
00:31:00,790 --> 00:31:02,523
to be permitted to defend himself.
693
00:31:03,890 --> 00:31:05,403
- I will hear you, Mr. Seale.
694
00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:14,480
- I wanna present this
motion on behalf of myself.
695
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,270
I am not a lawyer, but I do know that I,
696
00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:20,070
as one of the defendants,
have a right to defend myself.
697
00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:26,130
So I, Bobby Seale move
the court as follows.
698
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:30,240
Because I am denied the lawyer
of my choice Charles R. Gary,
699
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,040
I am forced to be my own
counsel and to defend myself.
700
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,140
I require my release from custody
701
00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:39,060
so I can interview necessary witnesses,
702
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:40,500
do the necessary investigating,
703
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,890
and all other things that being
in custody makes impossible.
704
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:46,460
Cross examine witnesses,
make all necessary emotions,
705
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:48,690
and prove my innocence.
706
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:49,940
- Have you finished, sir?
707
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:52,450
- Yes.
708
00:31:52,450 --> 00:31:53,590
- Your honor, the other
defendants would like
709
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:55,023
to join in this motion.
710
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,970
I'd like to call your honor's attention
711
00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:59,610
to Adams versus the United States
712
00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:01,920
with the Supreme Court said,
713
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,920
constitution does not force
a lawyer on a defendant.
714
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,170
Mr. Seale filed that he does not desire
715
00:32:08,170 --> 00:32:10,810
to have me or any other attorney.
716
00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:13,530
- Your honor, I know I
have gotten some attacks
717
00:32:13,530 --> 00:32:17,250
from the government saying
we playing games over here.
718
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:19,550
I am not playing no game with my life
719
00:32:19,550 --> 00:32:21,430
being stuck on the line.
720
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:23,000
And I want to put that into the record
721
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,483
to explain my situation.
722
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:26,870
- Mr. Schultz.
723
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:28,720
- Your honor, this is a ploy.
724
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,553
It's ludicrous.
725
00:32:29,553 --> 00:32:30,743
The defendants know perfectly well
726
00:32:30,743 --> 00:32:35,190
that if Mr. Seale were to
cross examine witnesses here
727
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:36,410
and argue to the jury,
728
00:32:36,410 --> 00:32:38,940
we would have a mistrial in two minutes.
729
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,090
It's a game they're
playing with the court.
730
00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:44,027
- In the view of the court,
731
00:32:44,027 --> 00:32:49,027
the defendant Seale is now
represented by competent counsel.
732
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:51,680
Mr. Kunstler having filed his appearance
733
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,023
in Mr. Seale's behalf.
734
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,790
I find now to allow the defendant Seale
735
00:32:56,790 --> 00:33:01,070
to act as his own attorney
would produce disruptive effect.
736
00:33:01,070 --> 00:33:02,570
The complexity of the case
737
00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:05,563
makes self representation inappropriate.
738
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,950
Motion will be denied.
739
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:09,860
- I should be allowed to defend myself.
740
00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:10,693
- I will ask--
741
00:33:10,693 --> 00:33:13,480
- I should be allowed to
speak so I can defend.
742
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,313
- Quiet.
743
00:33:14,313 --> 00:33:15,146
- Don't tell me to shut up.
744
00:33:15,146 --> 00:33:15,979
I got a write to speak.
745
00:33:15,979 --> 00:33:19,590
- Mr. Seale, I admonish
you that any outbursts
746
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:21,480
such as you have just indulged in,
747
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,700
will be appropriately dealt with.
748
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,260
I must order you not to do it again.
749
00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:28,730
- In other words, you are
saying you are gonna put me
750
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:30,480
in contempt of court for
speaking on behalf of myself.
751
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,330
- Will you be quiet?
752
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:33,800
That is all.
753
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,520
I will not argue with you.
754
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,790
You have lawyers to speak for you.
755
00:33:36,790 --> 00:33:38,640
- Look, they don't speak for me.
756
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,470
I want to represent myself.
757
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:43,210
- Mr. Marshall, will you go to that man
758
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:44,360
and ask him to be quiet?
759
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,690
- I still want to defend myself
and I know I have the right.
760
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:48,523
- Be quiet.
761
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:50,730
- Hey, man.
762
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:52,090
- I just want to let him know that.
763
00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:53,783
That racist.
764
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:55,780
You know, the black man tries
765
00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:58,180
to get a fair trial in this country.
766
00:33:58,180 --> 00:33:59,890
United States government, huh?
767
00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:01,540
Nixon and the rest.
768
00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:02,373
Well, go 'head.
769
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:03,890
Continue.
770
00:34:03,890 --> 00:34:05,743
I'll watch and get railroaded.
771
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,180
- I filled out a form
772
00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:10,960
for the national mobilization committee
773
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,060
stating that I'd like to be a Marshall
774
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:13,560
for the democratic convention.
775
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:17,360
- During this time, have
you been otherwise employed?
776
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,983
- Yes, as a member of
Chicago police department.
777
00:34:19,983 --> 00:34:21,759
- Oink oink.
778
00:34:21,759 --> 00:34:22,650
Swee.
779
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:23,663
- Now.
780
00:34:23,663 --> 00:34:27,210
Calling your attention to
Friday, August 9th, 1968
781
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:28,350
in the morning where were you?
782
00:34:28,350 --> 00:34:31,970
- Went to the national mobilization
committee headquarters.
783
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:32,840
Rennie Davis was there.
784
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,740
David Dellinger and many other people.
785
00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:37,710
Mr. Davis said that
there'd many demonstrations
786
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:39,280
throughout the city and
the purpose of these
787
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,580
will be to stretch the police force out.
788
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:44,010
He said we would block
traffic going down the street.
789
00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:46,880
We would block people from
going in and out of buildings.
790
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,270
We would smash windows and generally try
791
00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:49,340
to shut the loop down.
792
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:50,640
Lee Wiener said that the Marshall
793
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,400
would probably wear helmets.
794
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,810
And John Froines said
that we should break up
795
00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:57,260
into small groups and these
groups should be violent.
796
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:59,100
Everyone in the group agreed with this.
797
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,260
And Abbie Hoffman was at this meeting.
798
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:02,943
- Do you see Mr. Hoffman
here in the courtroom?
799
00:35:02,943 --> 00:35:04,070
- Yes, I do.
800
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:05,723
- Would you point him out please?
801
00:35:07,390 --> 00:35:09,350
- He shot me with his finger.
802
00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:10,684
His hair is very unkempt.
803
00:35:10,684 --> 00:35:13,443
- Now on Tuesday, August
27th, where were you?
804
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:16,790
- I was in Lincoln Park and
there was a rally going on.
805
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:19,260
- Did you recognize
any of the speakers?
806
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:22,630
- Jerry Rubin gave a
speech, Phil Oaks sang,
807
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:25,760
and the person who identified
himself as Bobby Seale spoke.
808
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,970
- I object to that because
my lawyer is not here.
809
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:30,280
I have been denied my right
810
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,880
to defend myself in this courtroom.
811
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,340
I object to this man's
testimony against me
812
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:37,710
because I have not been allowed
my constitutional right.
813
00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:40,890
- I repeat to you, sir, you have a lawyer.
814
00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:43,070
Your lawyer is Mr. Kunstler.
815
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:44,310
- He does not represent me.
816
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:46,550
- Now you just keep on this way and--
817
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:47,440
- Keep on with what?
818
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,273
- Just sit down.
819
00:35:48,273 --> 00:35:49,106
- Keep on what?
820
00:35:49,106 --> 00:35:51,170
Keep on getting denied
my constitutional rights.
821
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:52,180
- Will you be quiet?
822
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:53,240
- Now I still object.
823
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:54,810
I object because you know it's wrong.
824
00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:58,400
You denied me my right to
defend myself in this courtroom.
825
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,870
You think black people haven't got a mind.
826
00:35:59,870 --> 00:36:01,890
Well we got big minds, good minds,
827
00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:03,980
and we know how to come forth
with constitutional rights.
828
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:05,150
I'm not going to be quiet.
829
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:06,940
- Are you getting all this, Miss Reporter?
830
00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:07,773
- Yes, sir.
831
00:36:07,773 --> 00:36:08,870
- I hope you got my part
for the record, too.
832
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:09,703
Did you get it, ma'am?
833
00:36:09,703 --> 00:36:10,536
- Yes, sir.
834
00:36:10,536 --> 00:36:11,687
- Thank you.
835
00:36:11,687 --> 00:36:13,330
- And that outburst also.
836
00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:14,680
- I think you should understand
837
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,960
that we support Bobby Seale in this.
838
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,930
At least I do.
839
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:20,490
- I haven't asked for your advice, sir.
840
00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:22,980
Please continue with
the direct examination.
841
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,810
- Now calling your attention
to Wednesday morning
842
00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:28,660
at national mobile headquarters
on the 28th of August.
843
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:30,490
What was said by whom?
844
00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:31,725
- John Froines was talking about
845
00:36:31,725 --> 00:36:33,580
how he purchased butyric acid
846
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:38,580
and that he's done it before
for in hotels and restaurants.
847
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:41,350
He said it works really
well in restaurants
848
00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:44,070
'cause butyric acid smells like vomit.
849
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:45,180
He talked making tear gas,
850
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:48,110
Molotov cocktails, mace and other devices.
851
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:49,950
And David Dellinger said, it
looks like we're not gonna have
852
00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:51,845
to march around the amphitheater,
853
00:36:51,845 --> 00:36:54,650
but we should have a march
anyway to use it as a diversion
854
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:56,350
to get people out of Lincoln Park.
855
00:36:57,963 --> 00:36:58,963
- Out of which park?
856
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:00,853
- Grant Park.
857
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:02,693
I'm sorry.
858
00:37:04,172 --> 00:37:06,790
- Mr. Foran, do you
believe one word of that?
859
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:08,590
- Your honor, may the
record show the comment
860
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:09,733
from the defendant Dellinger.
861
00:37:09,733 --> 00:37:11,960
- Yes, Mr. Dellinger has
made several comments
862
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,990
from time to time.
863
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:13,823
The record--
864
00:37:13,823 --> 00:37:15,800
- I asked Mr. Foran if he could possibly
865
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,340
believe one word of that?
866
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:18,980
I don't believe the witness believes it.
867
00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:20,610
I don't believe Mr. Foran believes it.
868
00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:24,010
- And continue to take his words.
869
00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:27,500
I admonish you, sir, not
to interrupt this trial
870
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,000
by your conversation or your remarks.
871
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,700
You are not permitted to speak
872
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,373
while your competent
lawyer represents you.
873
00:37:40,897 --> 00:37:42,147
- Hello, Daddy.
874
00:37:44,498 --> 00:37:45,778
- Hey, partner.
875
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:56,373
- I wanna make a request, Judge Hoffman,
876
00:37:56,373 --> 00:37:58,130
that my wife be let in with my son.
877
00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:00,370
The Marshall has attempted to harass her.
878
00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:02,530
- Mr. Marshall, you take
care of the requests
879
00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:05,520
as far as admission to the
courtroom is concerned.
880
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,150
- In other words, my son
can't come in, right?
881
00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:11,800
- Mr. Marshall, I have
not addressed this man.
882
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,830
Will you undertake to see what he wants
883
00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:15,530
and do what is fair under the law?
884
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:17,653
Cross examine.
885
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,530
- You were expelled, were you not,
886
00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:30,163
for throwing a university
professor off a stage physically?
887
00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:32,820
- No, sir, I was not.
888
00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:34,463
- What were you expelled for?
889
00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:37,790
- I was expelled for being
with the group of people
890
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:39,963
that threw the president
off the stage, sir.
891
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,973
- Now when you were participating
in these discussions,
892
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,620
is it not true that you were receiving pay
893
00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:50,930
from the police department
of the city of Chicago?
894
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:52,230
- That is correct.
895
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:55,790
- By the way, prior to your
coming into this courtroom,
896
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:57,540
how many discussions did you have
897
00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:58,700
with the United States attorney
898
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:01,750
in this case regarding your testimony?
899
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:03,130
- There were about three.
900
00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:06,230
- And is it not true that
Mr. Foran said to you
901
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:08,021
that your previous reports and testimony
902
00:39:08,021 --> 00:39:10,370
did not implicate the defendants enough
903
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:12,992
and that you should
elaborate a little bit?
904
00:39:12,992 --> 00:39:13,875
- No.
905
00:39:13,875 --> 00:39:14,883
No, he didn't.
906
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,653
- No further questions.
907
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:20,530
- I would like to cross
examine the witnesses.
908
00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:22,000
- You have a lawyer here.
909
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,040
- That man is not my lawyer.
910
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,720
The man made statements against me.
911
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,260
Furthermore, you are violating title 42
912
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:28,470
United States criminal code
913
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:29,890
because it states that
the black man cannot
914
00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:32,200
be discriminated against
in his legal defense.
915
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,033
Hey, hey.
916
00:39:33,033 --> 00:39:34,640
Did you see me make a
speech in Lincoln Park?
917
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,473
William.
918
00:39:35,473 --> 00:39:37,580
Mr. William Frapperly, did
you see me make a speech?
919
00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:39,267
- Mr. Marshall, will you ask that--
920
00:39:39,267 --> 00:39:43,670
- Did you see me make a speech
on August 27th, Tuesday,
921
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:45,368
supposedly August 27th, Tuesday?
922
00:39:45,368 --> 00:39:47,180
- You needn't answer
any of those questions.
923
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:48,013
Let the record show--
924
00:39:48,013 --> 00:39:49,460
- Let the record show that you are
925
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:51,310
violating my constitutional rights.
926
00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:53,051
- I admonish you, sir,
927
00:39:53,051 --> 00:39:56,040
that you have allowed
contemptuous conduct.
928
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,340
- I admonish you.
929
00:39:57,340 --> 00:39:59,130
I am not in contempt of nothing.
930
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:00,490
You are the one in contempt.
931
00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:02,570
You are in contempt of
the constitutional rights
932
00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:04,370
of the mass of people
in the United States.
933
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:05,530
- Do you want to listen to me?
934
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:07,020
- Why should I continue listening to you?
935
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:09,211
Unless you gonna give me
my constitutional rights.
936
00:40:09,211 --> 00:40:10,044
Let me defend myself.
937
00:40:10,044 --> 00:40:11,495
- I'm warning
you, sir, that the law--
938
00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:13,528
- Instead of warning me,
why don't you want me?
939
00:40:13,528 --> 00:40:14,883
I have the right to defend myself.
940
00:40:14,883 --> 00:40:18,240
- I am warning you that the
court has the right to gag you.
941
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,073
- Gag?
942
00:40:19,073 --> 00:40:19,906
- I don't wanna do that.
943
00:40:19,906 --> 00:40:20,739
- Gag.
944
00:40:20,739 --> 00:40:21,572
- Under the law, you maybe--
945
00:40:21,572 --> 00:40:22,405
- Gag?
946
00:40:22,405 --> 00:40:23,540
I'm being railroaded already.
947
00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:26,430
- The court has the right
and I am telling you--
948
00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:28,780
- The court has no right whatever.
949
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:30,470
The court has no right to stop me
950
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,611
from speaking out on behalf
of my constitutional rights.
951
00:40:33,611 --> 00:40:36,320
- Court will recess
until tomorrow morning.
952
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,560
- Everyone will rise.
953
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,330
- I am not rising.
954
00:40:40,330 --> 00:40:42,570
I am not rising until he recognizes
955
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:44,408
my constitutional rights.
956
00:40:44,408 --> 00:40:46,610
Why should I rise for him?
957
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:48,980
He's not recognizing my
constitutional rights.
958
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:52,290
- See that he rises and
that other one, too.
959
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:54,331
- Mr. Hayden, will you please rise?
960
00:40:54,331 --> 00:40:56,327
- Get all of the defendants to rise.
961
00:40:56,327 --> 00:40:57,370
And let the record show
962
00:40:57,370 --> 00:41:00,397
that the defendant, Mr.
Hayden, has not risen.
963
00:41:00,397 --> 00:41:04,140
Mr. Kunstler, will you
advise your clients to rise?
964
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:05,963
- The court please it is my understanding
965
00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:08,100
that there is no legal obligation
966
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:09,970
of the defendants to rise so long
967
00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:12,400
as its failure to rise is not disruptive.
968
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,610
- You advise your clients
not to rise, do you?
969
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:18,410
- If your honor will direct
me, I will advise them.
970
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:19,243
- I direct.
971
00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:23,250
- Then I will pass on your direction.
972
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:26,423
I will now pass on your direction to them.
973
00:41:28,255 --> 00:41:29,653
I have heard you direct me.
974
00:41:30,877 --> 00:41:32,010
I cannot in good conscience
do more than that.
975
00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:34,300
They are free independent human beings
976
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,020
who must do as they please.
977
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:36,853
- Let the record show that none
978
00:41:36,853 --> 00:41:38,620
of the defendants have risen.
979
00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:41,010
The court will be in recess, Mr. Marshall.
980
00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:43,210
- This was an American first.
981
00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:44,043
Hear.
982
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,913
Your honorable judge Julius
J. Hoffman and all rise.
983
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:52,043
Everyone does but eight.
984
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:54,643
They don't get up.
985
00:41:55,831 --> 00:41:56,940
Ugh.
986
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:59,587
The empire's they're like ugh.
987
00:41:59,587 --> 00:42:01,900
The whole world's just collapsed.
988
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:02,860
- It upset me.
989
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:06,450
It made me pretty pissed
off that this fool can't see
990
00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:07,690
that the sixth amendment
of the constitution
991
00:42:07,690 --> 00:42:09,610
of the United States
says that every person
992
00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:11,490
has a right to have
legal counsel of choice,
993
00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:13,550
what have you, et cetera, in a courtroom
994
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:14,570
while going to court.
995
00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:15,480
Now what's wrong with you?
996
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,850
I mean, here's the rule.
997
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:18,399
If you violated the rules,
998
00:42:18,399 --> 00:42:20,840
you are violating the tenets
of share and share alike
999
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,587
and do unto others as you
would have them to do you.
1000
00:42:22,587 --> 00:42:23,560
That's what you were doing.
1001
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,393
- Brothers and sisters,
1002
00:42:24,393 --> 00:42:27,310
we got a real situation going on up here.
1003
00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:28,720
Now I want you to understand
1004
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,540
and appreciate the fact
that you got a right
1005
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:32,550
to observe this trial
and see what's going on.
1006
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:33,383
Am I right?
1007
00:42:33,383 --> 00:42:34,216
- Right.
1008
00:42:34,216 --> 00:42:35,900
- But I don't want you
cats out there to get upset
1009
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:37,358
and emotional and start doing anything
1010
00:42:37,358 --> 00:42:39,370
that's out of the ordinary.
1011
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:40,203
Am I right?
1012
00:42:40,203 --> 00:42:41,112
- Right.
1013
00:42:41,112 --> 00:42:43,860
- If anyone attacks us,
you know what to do.
1014
00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:44,770
We defend ourselves.
1015
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:45,780
That's a principle of the party.
1016
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:47,660
We defend ourselves whether
they have guns or not.
1017
00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:48,630
We defend ourselves.
1018
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:51,030
If they make us leave the
courtroom, we just leave.
1019
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:53,413
But be cool because I
got to do this myself.
1020
00:42:53,413 --> 00:42:54,803
- Right on.
1021
00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:59,127
- Your honor, there's 25
Marshall's in here now
1022
00:42:59,127 --> 00:42:59,960
and they all got guns.
1023
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,040
- Your honor, we are objecting
to this armed camped aspect.
1024
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,710
- It is not an armed camp.
1025
00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:06,890
- Military state.
1026
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:09,440
- If the court, please, before
you came into this courtroom.
1027
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,630
If the court, please.
1028
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:14,989
Bobby Seale stood up
and addressed this group
1029
00:43:14,989 --> 00:43:17,410
and he told these people in the audience
1030
00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:20,360
that if he's attacked,
they know what to do.
1031
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,260
- You lie and I told them
to defend themselves.
1032
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:26,520
You are rotten, racist,
paint, fascist liar.
1033
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,130
I told them, I said,
if they were attacked,
1034
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:30,467
they have a right to defend themselves.
1035
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:32,260
And I hope the record carries that.
1036
00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:33,620
And I hope the records shows
1037
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:35,470
that tricky Dick Schultz is a liar
1038
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:37,010
and we have a right to defend ourselves.
1039
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:39,260
And if you attack me,
I will defend myself.
1040
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:43,020
- If the court please,
that is what he said
1041
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:44,130
just as he related.
1042
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:45,250
- You darn right.
1043
00:43:45,250 --> 00:43:48,080
- Let the record show the
tone in Mr. Seale's voice
1044
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,460
was one of shrieking and
pounding on the table.
1045
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:52,000
That'll be dealt with appropriately
1046
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,390
at sometime in the future.
1047
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:54,725
- The record should indicate
1048
00:43:54,725 --> 00:43:57,063
that Mr. Schultz stood at this lectern
1049
00:43:57,063 --> 00:44:00,353
and raised his voice quite
loudly in this courtroom.
1050
00:44:00,353 --> 00:44:02,430
- Yes, I think he raised his voice,
1051
00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:04,210
of what he said was the truth.
1052
00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:06,230
I can't blame him for raising his voice.
1053
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:09,170
- Why don't you recognize
my constitutional rights?
1054
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:12,820
- I have recognized every
constitutional right you have.
1055
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:13,653
- You have not.
1056
00:44:13,653 --> 00:44:14,630
I wanna cross examine.
1057
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:16,570
- All I have to tell you is this.
1058
00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:20,050
If you speak once again,
we will take such steps
1059
00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:21,800
as are indicated in the circumstance.
1060
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,330
- If you try to suppress my
constitutional right to speak up
1061
00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:28,090
then I can only see you
as a bigot, a racist,
1062
00:44:28,090 --> 00:44:30,983
and a fascist as clearly
indicated in the court record.
1063
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:33,817
- Mr. Fineglass.
1064
00:44:33,817 --> 00:44:35,440
- Weinglass.
1065
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,150
- Weinglass, will you please continue
1066
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:40,100
with the cross examination of
the witness if you desire to?
1067
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,310
- Now you testified that you spent
1068
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:54,010
a lot of time I believe with John Froines,
1069
00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:56,420
one of the defendants in this case.
1070
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:57,380
- Sometime, yes.
1071
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:59,300
- Isn't it a fact that you know
1072
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:00,830
from what John Froines told you
1073
00:45:00,830 --> 00:45:03,530
that he doesn't even know
how to make a firebomb
1074
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:05,193
or a Molotov cocktail?
1075
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,470
- He said he didn't know how
to make a Molotov cocktail.
1076
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:11,140
- I have nothing further.
1077
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:12,840
- I wanna request again, demand,
1078
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,860
that I be able to cross
examine the witness.
1079
00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:17,620
You got Benjamin Franklin
and George Washington
1080
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:19,010
sitting up there on a picture behind you
1081
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:20,530
and they were both slave owners.
1082
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:21,830
That's what they were.
1083
00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:23,950
And you are acting in the same manner
1084
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:25,960
by denying me my constitutional right.
1085
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,014
- Mr. Seale, I have admonished you--
1086
00:45:28,014 --> 00:45:30,460
- I have a right to defend
myself in this courtroom.
1087
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:33,310
- What might happen to you
if you keep on talking.
1088
00:45:33,310 --> 00:45:34,720
Young man, if you keep this up--
1089
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,357
- Look old man, you being
exposed to the public
1090
00:45:37,357 --> 00:45:39,060
and to the world that you do not care
1091
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:41,620
about people's constitutional
rights to defend themselves.
1092
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:43,250
- Have him sit down, Mr. Marshall.
1093
00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:46,910
- Why don't you recognize
my constitutional right?
1094
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:49,580
I have a right to defend myself.
1095
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:52,410
I have a right to cross
examine the witness.
1096
00:45:52,410 --> 00:45:53,868
- Show the court please--
1097
00:45:53,868 --> 00:45:55,598
- I have a right to defend myself.
1098
00:45:55,598 --> 00:45:56,636
- Bobby Seale in his seat.
1099
00:45:56,636 --> 00:45:57,663
- I still have a right--
1100
00:45:57,663 --> 00:45:58,690
- Putting him in the chair.
1101
00:45:58,690 --> 00:46:00,870
The defendant Dellinger
physically attempted
1102
00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:04,372
to interfere with them pushing
the marshalls out of the way.
1103
00:46:04,372 --> 00:46:06,170
- I have that right.
1104
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:08,962
- Will you, Mr. Marshall,
have that man seated?
1105
00:46:12,483 --> 00:46:15,310
- Let the record show
the defendant Dellinger
1106
00:46:15,310 --> 00:46:17,010
is doing it again the same thing just now.
1107
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:17,860
- I saw it myself.
1108
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:20,626
- Your honor, the overall
umbrella of intimidation
1109
00:46:20,626 --> 00:46:24,240
is denying these defendants
any chance of a fair trial.
1110
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,518
- Your honor, I've never
in 20 years of practice
1111
00:46:26,518 --> 00:46:29,682
heard lawyers like Mr.
Kunstler and Mr. Weinglass
1112
00:46:29,682 --> 00:46:32,900
refuse to direct their
clients to conduct themselves
1113
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,260
with courtesy and
decency in the courtroom.
1114
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,710
As lawyers, our major obligation
1115
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:39,760
is our oath to uphold the law.
1116
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,440
And if the law's to be changed,
1117
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,560
then this government offers
opportunity to change law by law
1118
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,290
and not by disruptive tactics.
1119
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:48,006
- Can I say something?
1120
00:46:48,006 --> 00:46:49,900
Can I say something to the court?
1121
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:50,737
- No, thank you.
1122
00:46:50,737 --> 00:46:53,450
I have been called a racist and a fascist.
1123
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:56,250
He has pointed to the picture
of George Washington behind me
1124
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:57,750
and called him a slave owner.
1125
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:59,080
- They were a slave owner.
1126
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,220
- As though I had
anything to do with that.
1127
00:47:01,220 --> 00:47:02,330
- You got him up there.
1128
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:05,573
- He is known as the
father of this country.
1129
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,553
I would think it was a pretty good picture
1130
00:47:08,553 --> 00:47:10,870
to have in the United
States district court.
1131
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:13,760
- We all share a common guilt, your honor.
1132
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,620
- I didn't think I would
ever live to sit on a bench
1133
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:19,520
and be in a courtroom
where George Washington
1134
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,060
was assailed by a defendant
and the judge was criticized
1135
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:24,710
for having his portrait on the wall.
1136
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:27,630
- All I am saying is that these defendants
1137
00:47:27,630 --> 00:47:29,260
are not for disruption.
1138
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:30,477
They are for peace.
1139
00:47:30,477 --> 00:47:34,943
- Say what about section
1982, title 42 of the code
1140
00:47:34,943 --> 00:47:37,330
where it states that a black man cannot
1141
00:47:37,330 --> 00:47:39,710
be discriminated against
in my legal defense,
1142
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:40,870
in any courtroom in America?
1143
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:42,700
- Mr. Seale, do you know--
1144
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:44,470
- The law protects my right.
1145
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:45,760
Why don't you recognize that?
1146
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,054
- Mr. Seale, do you want to stop?
1147
00:47:48,054 --> 00:47:49,973
Or do you want me to direct
them to direct the marshall?
1148
00:47:49,973 --> 00:47:52,220
- Man, I wanna argue the point about this,
1149
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:54,190
so you can come to an
understanding about the facts
1150
00:47:54,190 --> 00:47:56,990
that I have a right to defend myself.
1151
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:59,700
- Take that defendant
into the room in there
1152
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:02,394
and deal with him as he
should be dealt with.
1153
00:48:02,394 --> 00:48:03,300
- Help.
1154
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:05,260
I still wanna be represented.
1155
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:08,003
I still wanna represent myself.
1156
00:48:08,003 --> 00:48:10,070
I wanna represent myself.
1157
00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:11,240
I got a right.
1158
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:12,360
I got a right.
1159
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,390
I got a right.
1160
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:15,790
- The court will be in
recess for a few minutes.
1161
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,550
- Your honor, if Mr. Seale
would express his willingness
1162
00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:47,970
to be quiet will the court
entertain the possibility
1163
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:50,960
of Mr. Seale being unbound and ungagged?
1164
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,710
- I have tried so hard with all my heart
1165
00:49:53,710 --> 00:49:55,440
to get him to sit in this court
1166
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,080
and be tried fairly and impartially.
1167
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,730
And I have been greeted on every occasion
1168
00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:01,553
with all sorts of vicious invective.
1169
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:06,557
Mr. Seale, all of your
constitutional rights have been
1170
00:50:06,557 --> 00:50:09,510
and will be preserved in this trial.
1171
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:12,120
I assure you that if
you have any evidence,
1172
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,300
when the time comes, we
will listen attentively.
1173
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,880
If you will assure the court
that you will be respectful
1174
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,670
and not cause disorder, I am willing
1175
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:24,030
that you resume your
former place at the table.
1176
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:24,863
Will you, sir?
1177
00:50:24,863 --> 00:50:26,497
- I have a right to
speak on behalf of myself.
1178
00:50:26,497 --> 00:50:28,610
- If you will give me your assurance,
1179
00:50:28,610 --> 00:50:31,785
will you please indicate by
raising your head up and down?
1180
00:50:31,785 --> 00:50:32,968
- Give me your assurance--
1181
00:50:32,968 --> 00:50:35,271
- I can't understand you, sir.
1182
00:50:35,271 --> 00:50:37,504
- I wanna defend myself.
1183
00:50:37,504 --> 00:50:39,920
I have the right to speak on behalf
1184
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,763
of my constitutional rights.
1185
00:50:41,763 --> 00:50:43,740
- Mr. Marshall, I don't think you have
1186
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:47,580
accomplished your purpose
by that contrivance.
1187
00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:48,870
We will take another recess.
1188
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:53,082
- I wanna speak on behalf
of my constitutional right.
1189
00:50:53,082 --> 00:50:55,184
You can't deny me my rights.
1190
00:50:55,184 --> 00:50:58,650
You can't deny me my
constitutional rights.
1191
00:50:58,650 --> 00:51:01,810
- Bobby Seale's only
attempt in that courtroom
1192
00:51:01,810 --> 00:51:03,903
was an attempt to represent himself.
1193
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:26,980
- Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
1194
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:28,730
I must tell you, the law requires
1195
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:30,180
that the judge maintain order
1196
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:32,820
and take such steps as are warranted.
1197
00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:34,640
Accordingly, the marshals have endeavored
1198
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,040
to maintain order in the manner
1199
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,065
that you see here in the courtroom.
1200
00:51:38,065 --> 00:51:39,148
- Your honor.
1201
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,540
I move on behalf of the
other seven defendants
1202
00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:48,079
for the immediate removal of the gag
1203
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,723
and the arm and the leg cuffs.
1204
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:56,050
Mr. Seale was only attempting
to assert his rights
1205
00:51:56,050 --> 00:51:58,963
to self defense under the constitution.
1206
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,807
- I direct you, ladies and gentlemen,
1207
00:52:02,807 --> 00:52:05,540
not to hold it against any
of the seven other defendants
1208
00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,350
when these measures are taken with respect
1209
00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:08,883
to defendant Mr. Seale.
1210
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:11,790
These measures indicate no evidence
1211
00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:14,464
of his guilt or lack of guilt.
1212
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,320
- The Marshall's would take an hour,
1213
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,360
maybe two hours before the trial began
1214
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,000
trying to force this gauze into his mouth.
1215
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,210
- I said, no man.
1216
00:52:31,210 --> 00:52:32,043
No, man.
1217
00:52:32,043 --> 00:52:33,250
I said, man, what the fuck going on?
1218
00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:34,083
No.
1219
00:52:34,083 --> 00:52:35,330
- What are we trying to prove, your honor?
1220
00:52:35,330 --> 00:52:37,660
- We won't go in there
and sit in the trial
1221
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:39,810
while Bobby Seale is bound and gagged.
1222
00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:42,780
- Meanwhile, Bobby and the Panthers
1223
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:45,040
are saying don't do anything.
1224
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,730
- Mr. Frapperly, you
indicated to the prosecutor
1225
00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:50,470
that you received instructions
from your superiors
1226
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:52,830
not to participate in any violent actions.
1227
00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:53,763
Is that correct?
1228
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:55,623
- That is correct.
1229
00:52:55,623 --> 00:52:58,390
- Now do you consider the
forcible removal of a president
1230
00:52:58,390 --> 00:53:01,383
of a university from the speakers
lectern a violent action?
1231
00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:04,083
If your honor.
1232
00:53:04,083 --> 00:53:05,350
If your honor, please.
1233
00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:06,890
The buckles on the leather strap
1234
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:09,300
that's holding Mr. Seale's
hand is digging into his hand.
1235
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:10,830
Could he be assisted?
1236
00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:13,170
- The Marshall concludes
that he needs assistance.
1237
00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:14,430
Of course.
1238
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:17,480
- Your honor, are we going
to stop the medieval torture
1239
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,883
that is going on in this courtroom?
1240
00:53:22,195 --> 00:53:25,099
Your honor, this is no
longer a court of order.
1241
00:53:25,099 --> 00:53:26,103
- They spit in his elbow.
1242
00:53:26,103 --> 00:53:27,250
Bite his mouth.
1243
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:29,120
- Your honor, this is a big disgrace.
1244
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,750
- Created by Mr. Kunstler.
1245
00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:32,251
- Created by
none other than you.
1246
00:53:32,251 --> 00:53:34,378
- Why don't you come down
here and watch this, judge?
1247
00:53:34,378 --> 00:53:36,020
- You fascists dogs.
1248
00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:37,901
You low life son of a bitch.
1249
00:53:37,901 --> 00:53:39,450
- Somebody come protect him.
1250
00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:41,593
- Your honor, may the record show
1251
00:53:41,593 --> 00:53:43,767
that that comment was by Mr. Dellinger.
1252
00:53:43,767 --> 00:53:45,810
- May record show that Foran's a Nazi.
1253
00:53:45,810 --> 00:53:47,510
- And that is Mr. Rubin speaking.
1254
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:49,790
- Everything you say will be taken down.
1255
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:51,496
- Your honor, he's being choked to death.
1256
00:53:51,496 --> 00:53:54,446
- Cruel and unusual punishment.
1257
00:53:54,446 --> 00:53:56,952
You're a fascist dog, judge.
1258
00:53:56,952 --> 00:53:57,988
- You already gagged him?
1259
00:53:57,988 --> 00:53:59,550
Why don't you just kill him, huh?
1260
00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:02,706
- You are not permitted to
address the court, Mr. Hoffman.
1261
00:54:02,706 --> 00:54:03,783
- This isn't a court.
1262
00:54:03,783 --> 00:54:05,154
It's a neon oven.
1263
00:54:05,154 --> 00:54:06,730
- That was the defendant
Hoffman who spoke.
1264
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:09,778
- This disruption started when
these guys got into overkill.
1265
00:54:09,778 --> 00:54:12,190
Don't you see it's the same
thing as last year in Chicago?
1266
00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:13,820
This is the same thing.
1267
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:17,253
- Mr. Hoffman, you are ordered
to refrain from speaking.
1268
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:21,310
Mr. Seale, you mind looking over here?
1269
00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:22,780
I would like to get from you, sir,
1270
00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:25,090
your assurance as an American citizen,
1271
00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:28,140
that you will not be guilty
of any disruptive act
1272
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:30,210
during the continuance of this trial.
1273
00:54:30,210 --> 00:54:32,253
May I have your assurance?
1274
00:54:36,350 --> 00:54:40,000
Let the record show that
the defendant did not reply.
1275
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,330
- If your honor, please.
1276
00:54:41,330 --> 00:54:43,678
- What is it, Mr. Weinstein?
1277
00:54:43,678 --> 00:54:45,370
Weinberg.
1278
00:54:45,370 --> 00:54:46,460
- Weinglass, your honor.
1279
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:47,880
If your honor, please.
1280
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,740
Mr. Seale was endeavoring to
answer the court by writing,
1281
00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:54,500
so I would like to read the
note that Mr. Seale has written.
1282
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,720
I want and demand my
right to defend myself.
1283
00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,933
- I am calling for an end to this.
1284
00:54:59,933 --> 00:55:00,940
I don't think you have seen it
1285
00:55:00,940 --> 00:55:02,910
in your experience nor have I in mine.
1286
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:05,580
- He is being treated in
accordance with the law.
1287
00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:07,530
- Not in accordance with the constitution
1288
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:10,200
of the United States,
which is the supreme law.
1289
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,620
- I don't need someone to
come here from New York
1290
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:15,510
or wherever you come from to tell me
1291
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:18,330
that there is a constitution
in the United States.
1292
00:55:18,330 --> 00:55:20,110
Why should I have to go through a trial
1293
00:55:20,110 --> 00:55:22,510
and be assailed in an obscene manner?
1294
00:55:22,510 --> 00:55:24,580
- But your honor, that is the reaction
1295
00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:27,570
of a black man not being
permitted to defend himself.
1296
00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:29,230
If you had said defend yourself,
1297
00:55:29,230 --> 00:55:31,010
none of this would have happened.
1298
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:35,140
- I had lived a long time
and you are the first person
1299
00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:38,120
who has ever suggested
that I have discriminated
1300
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,123
against a black man.
1301
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:43,200
You don't know me, sir,
but I am as good a friend
1302
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,950
to the black people in this
community as they have.
1303
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:49,020
And if you don't believe
it, read the books.
1304
00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:52,330
Come into my chambers and
I will show you on the wall
1305
00:55:52,330 --> 00:55:54,660
why one of the great
newspapers of the city
1306
00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:57,690
said editorially about me in connection
1307
00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:59,990
with a school segregation case.
1308
00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:02,290
- Please your honor, this is
not a time for self praise
1309
00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:03,660
on either side of the lectern.
1310
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:05,950
- It isn't self praise, sir.
1311
00:56:05,950 --> 00:56:08,320
It is defense.
1312
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,380
I won't let a lawyer stand before the bar
1313
00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:13,913
and charge me with being a bigot.
1314
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:16,890
- For God sake.
1315
00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,120
We are seeking the solution
to a human problem,
1316
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,683
not whether you feel good or bad.
1317
00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:28,020
- The black man and white
man can walk down the same.
1318
00:56:28,020 --> 00:56:32,545
- That third day was a scene,
1319
00:56:32,545 --> 00:56:36,774
but it caused me not to
be gagged the fourth day.
1320
00:56:36,774 --> 00:56:38,090
- The court has done its best
1321
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:39,770
to prevent the repeated efforts
1322
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:41,653
to delay and obstruct this trial.
1323
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:46,500
As we all know, the
defendant Bobby G. Seale
1324
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:49,570
has been guilty of conduct
in the presence of the court
1325
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:52,930
of so grave at character
as to continually disrupt
1326
00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:54,800
the orderly administration of justice.
1327
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,633
- That's a lie.
1328
00:56:55,633 --> 00:56:57,400
I stood up and spoke on behalf of myself.
1329
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,590
- You are making it very
difficult for me, Mr. Seale.
1330
00:57:00,590 --> 00:57:02,980
- You are making it very
difficult for me, Judge Hoffman.
1331
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:05,160
- I find that the act statements
1332
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,390
and conduct of the defendant Seale
1333
00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:10,320
each constitute contempt to this court.
1334
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,310
The deliberate, willful attack
1335
00:57:12,310 --> 00:57:14,204
upon the administration of justice,
1336
00:57:14,204 --> 00:57:17,240
and accordingly the defendant
Seale will be committed
1337
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,203
to the custody of the attorney
general for imprisonment.
1338
00:57:21,570 --> 00:57:25,010
Mr. Seale, you are free
to address the court
1339
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:26,510
on the question of your punishment.
1340
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:27,860
- How come I couldn't speak before?
1341
00:57:27,860 --> 00:57:30,600
- This is a special occasion.
1342
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,960
- If you're talking
about putting me in jail,
1343
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,310
I have nothing to say about that.
1344
00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:35,250
I have something to say about the fact
1345
00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:36,900
that I want to defend myself still.
1346
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:38,490
- The court will be in recess.
1347
00:57:38,490 --> 00:57:39,323
- Wait a minute.
1348
00:57:39,323 --> 00:57:40,947
I got a right.
1349
00:57:40,947 --> 00:57:43,690
What's this cat trying to pull now?
1350
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:44,523
I'm leaving?
1351
00:57:44,523 --> 00:57:45,360
I can't stay?
1352
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,520
I demand an immediate trial right now.
1353
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,353
- I'm sorry.
1354
00:57:48,353 --> 00:57:50,960
I can't try two cases
at the same time, sir.
1355
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,040
- I have a right to go
through with this trial.
1356
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,107
I want an immediate trial.
1357
00:57:55,107 --> 00:57:56,657
You can't call it a mistrial.
1358
00:57:56,657 --> 00:57:59,239
I'm put in four years for nothing.
1359
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:00,072
You gonna put me in jail?
1360
00:58:00,072 --> 00:58:02,343
Man, I want my coat.
1361
00:58:02,343 --> 00:58:03,176
- Free Bobby.
1362
00:58:03,176 --> 00:58:04,628
- Free Bobby.
1363
00:58:04,628 --> 00:58:05,969
Free Bobby.
1364
00:58:05,969 --> 00:58:07,203
Free Bobby.
1365
00:58:07,203 --> 00:58:08,389
Free Bobby.
1366
00:58:08,389 --> 00:58:09,571
Free Bobby.
1367
00:58:09,571 --> 00:58:10,729
Free Bobby.
1368
00:58:10,729 --> 00:58:11,781
Free Bobby.
1369
00:58:11,781 --> 00:58:13,165
Free Bobby.
1370
00:58:13,165 --> 00:58:14,189
Free Bobby.
1371
00:58:14,189 --> 00:58:17,850
- This was the human spirit winning
1372
00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:22,850
over the overwhelming power of the state.
1373
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,730
They just couldn't shut the
guy up so they chucked him.
1374
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:26,563
Got him out.
1375
00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:30,230
- I'm assigned to the subversive unit.
1376
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:32,260
I joined veterans for peace.
1377
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:35,680
I'm on the executive board
of the Chicago peace council
1378
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,560
and the steering committee
of the new mobilization.
1379
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,200
- While a member of these organizations,
1380
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,620
were you in your undercover capacity
1381
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:45,460
as a Chicago police officer?
1382
00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:46,680
- Yes, sir, I was.
1383
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,350
- Would you relate to the court please
1384
00:58:49,350 --> 00:58:52,843
what you heard at the meetings
at which you were present?
1385
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:56,390
- Well, Rennie Davis said that the people
1386
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:58,220
should have a wall to wall sit in
1387
00:58:58,220 --> 00:58:59,760
in front of the Conrad Hilton.
1388
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,780
They could break windows,
pull fire alarm boxes,
1389
00:59:02,780 --> 00:59:05,533
stone police cars, break street lights.
1390
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,370
Mr. Rubin said that they
could start fires at the loop.
1391
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:12,610
Mr. Froines said that they
could purchase ammonia
1392
00:59:12,610 --> 00:59:14,163
and throw this at the police.
1393
00:59:15,180 --> 00:59:18,400
Lee Wiener said that they
could let the air out of tires
1394
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,603
or jam up traffic.
1395
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:24,090
Tom Hayden said that if
the city doesn't give in
1396
00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:27,213
to our demands it would
be war on the streets.
1397
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:31,160
Mr. Dellinger said that
we should have the march
1398
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,380
and when stopped by
the police, we sit down
1399
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:34,950
and practice the old forms
1400
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:37,542
of non-resistance and nonviolence.
1401
00:59:37,542 --> 00:59:39,759
- Like indecent
exposure, does it?
1402
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,400
- Mr. Kunstler is laughing
so he can influence the jury
1403
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,890
with the impression that this is absurd.
1404
00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:49,650
- It is absurd.
1405
00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:51,990
He's a vaudeville actor.
1406
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:53,540
- I like being here.
1407
00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:54,700
This is very interesting.
1408
00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:56,250
- That is the best statement
1409
00:59:56,250 --> 00:59:58,940
I have heard here during this trial.
1410
00:59:58,940 --> 01:00:01,050
You said you enjoy being here?
1411
01:00:01,050 --> 01:00:02,110
- Sure.
1412
01:00:02,110 --> 01:00:03,083
It's good theater.
1413
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,433
- Oh.
1414
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,120
Is it a fact that what makes
your memory so accurate today
1415
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,210
is the 14 hours you spent
1416
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:23,045
in discussing your testimony
with the prosecution?
1417
01:00:23,045 --> 01:00:23,878
- Objection.
1418
01:00:23,878 --> 01:00:25,523
- I sustain the objection.
1419
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,103
- Now I ask you, officer,
1420
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:32,740
to look at the seven men at that table.
1421
01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:37,040
Isn't it a fact that in
the entire period of time
1422
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,460
that you spent with them
and in their company
1423
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:43,840
at their meetings, the streets, the park
1424
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,270
that you never saw one of them
1425
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:47,413
commit a single act of violence.
1426
01:00:48,845 --> 01:00:50,750
You never saw any of
them strike a policeman.
1427
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:52,040
- No, sir.
1428
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,073
- Did any of them ever throw a rock?
1429
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,590
- I don't believe I saw that.
1430
01:00:57,590 --> 01:01:00,500
- Did you ever see any
of them break a window?
1431
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:01,333
- No, sir.
1432
01:01:01,333 --> 01:01:03,973
- Did you ever see any of
them making a fire bomb?
1433
01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:06,063
- No, sir.
1434
01:01:10,926 --> 01:01:13,350
- Little incidents were
breaking out quickly
1435
01:01:13,350 --> 01:01:16,243
between police officers
and members of the crowd.
1436
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,380
There was spitting and shoving
and pushing and fighting.
1437
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:22,880
And the officers responded
and they charged the crowd
1438
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,630
and the crowd charge back and
a serious disorder broke out.
1439
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:29,850
- Isn't it true that you
heard the national guard
1440
01:01:29,850 --> 01:01:33,430
or somebody in the national
guard was trigger happy
1441
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:35,640
and released teargas where the crowd
1442
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,300
was proceeding orderly out of the park?
1443
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:40,750
- I have no recollection of hearing that.
1444
01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:42,860
The thing that continually crossed my mind
1445
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:45,230
is this unlawful assembly in the street.
1446
01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:46,930
That was foremost in my mind.
1447
01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:48,960
I had no intention of permitting a mob
1448
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,967
to take over the street.
1449
01:01:50,967 --> 01:01:53,600
- Now did there come a
time when night clubs
1450
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,823
were used on the people?
1451
01:01:55,894 --> 01:01:57,180
- There were some.
1452
01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:58,750
Some use of night batons, yes.
1453
01:01:58,750 --> 01:02:02,245
- There was
quite a lot, wasn't there?
1454
01:02:02,245 --> 01:02:03,508
- I don't know.
1455
01:02:03,508 --> 01:02:05,313
Quite a bit.
1456
01:02:05,313 --> 01:02:06,393
That was some.
1457
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,619
- Did you yourself see any night batons
1458
01:02:10,619 --> 01:02:13,060
land on people's heads?
1459
01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:14,550
- Oh yes.
1460
01:02:14,550 --> 01:02:18,930
- Isn't it true that you saw
the Chicago police officers
1461
01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:23,030
beating people while they
were already on the ground?
1462
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:24,940
- In some instances, yes.
1463
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:27,973
But the person on the ground
was kicking and fighting back.
1464
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,320
- Is there not some training information
1465
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,180
on the proper use of a baton?
1466
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:39,290
- Yes.
1467
01:02:39,290 --> 01:02:43,800
- A training document says
never swing the baton as a club.
1468
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,370
Is that true?
1469
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:48,560
- Yes, but it's not an
absolute prohibition.
1470
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,530
- Being very specific,
what did you find wrong
1471
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:53,763
with what your police did if anything?
1472
01:02:54,697 --> 01:02:57,700
- Well, I really feel badly
that the police were unable
1473
01:02:57,700 --> 01:03:00,640
to control this vicious, mean, willful,
1474
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,800
unlawful crowd without injury.
1475
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,840
That I deeply regret.
1476
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,840
As far as the police tactics,
1477
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,350
some officers went a little beyond
1478
01:03:08,350 --> 01:03:11,556
what I expect them to do as
professional police officers.
1479
01:03:11,556 --> 01:03:13,430
As a result of that incident,
1480
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:16,278
we have restrengthen our training program.
1481
01:03:16,278 --> 01:03:19,130
Each and every day, the sun changes,
1482
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:21,390
so police procedures must be revised
1483
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:25,010
in order to keep pace with
what's happening in the country.
1484
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:26,780
Revolution is very possible.
1485
01:03:26,780 --> 01:03:28,763
Terror is very close to us.
1486
01:03:30,050 --> 01:03:32,170
- Your honor, a very interesting speech.
1487
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:34,090
I really don't mind, except I do think
1488
01:03:34,090 --> 01:03:36,264
that it's not responsive.
1489
01:03:36,264 --> 01:03:38,390
♪ Seems to me ♪
1490
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:39,223
♪ We got ♪
1491
01:03:39,223 --> 01:03:40,330
- We were facing 10 years in prison.
1492
01:03:40,330 --> 01:03:41,650
- The goal of our defense was
1493
01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:43,750
in a sense to recreate Chicago.
1494
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:46,880
- With expert witnesses
on the counterculture.
1495
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,950
- We decided to use the trial
1496
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:50,673
to put the government on trial.
1497
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:54,273
- I was helping a boy off the ground.
1498
01:03:54,273 --> 01:03:57,090
I was facing away out from the benches.
1499
01:03:57,090 --> 01:03:59,200
At this point, I turned
around toward the benches
1500
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,570
and I saw a man with his back to me
1501
01:04:01,570 --> 01:04:03,270
bending over a girl on the ground.
1502
01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:06,190
This was a man in a business suit.
1503
01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:08,750
Also bending over the girl on the ground
1504
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:10,570
was policemen holding her down
1505
01:04:10,570 --> 01:04:12,950
on the ground and hitting her.
1506
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:15,020
I ran towards them shouting to stop.
1507
01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:19,100
And the plain clothes man turned around
1508
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:21,060
and knocked me on my back.
1509
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:23,380
And he took me by the
hair and he spun me around
1510
01:04:23,380 --> 01:04:25,800
and he said take this one, too.
1511
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:26,843
Arrest them both.
1512
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,880
He called the other girl a black bitch.
1513
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,373
And he said, we know how
to treat you animals.
1514
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,450
- What is your present occupation?
1515
01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:42,930
- I'm an
assistant safety director
1516
01:04:42,930 --> 01:04:44,590
for a candy company.
1517
01:04:44,590 --> 01:04:47,870
- Directing your attention
to August 28th, 1968
1518
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:50,000
in the afternoon where were you
1519
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,560
and what if anything occurred?
1520
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:52,900
- I was in Grand Park.
1521
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:54,780
A speaker was telling a crowd to back up,
1522
01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:56,364
sit down and was asking the police
1523
01:04:56,364 --> 01:04:58,460
to please clear out of the area.
1524
01:04:58,460 --> 01:05:00,990
- Could you identify the
speaker whose voice you heard?
1525
01:05:00,990 --> 01:05:03,570
- I believe it was David Dellinger.
1526
01:05:03,570 --> 01:05:05,470
- Now after you saw the crowd move,
1527
01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:07,303
what if anything, did you see?
1528
01:05:07,303 --> 01:05:10,310
- A platoon of helmeted police marched in
1529
01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:12,620
and stopped about 20 yards from the crowd.
1530
01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:14,160
Another platoon came marching in
1531
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,180
maybe 30 yards behind them.
1532
01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:17,320
They were counting cadence
1533
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,950
and slapping their sticks in their hands.
1534
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:22,930
- Then what, if anything,
did you see the platoon do?
1535
01:05:22,930 --> 01:05:25,500
- They marched directly
into the crowd in step.
1536
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:27,680
Broke ranks when they
hit the line of marshals
1537
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,000
in front of the crowd and
chopped their way 100 yards
1538
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,906
into a tightly packed crowd,
beating people all the way.
1539
01:05:44,222 --> 01:05:45,222
- Wisconsin.
1540
01:05:46,550 --> 01:05:50,000
- Mr. Chairman, most
delegates to this convention
1541
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,830
do not know that thousands of young people
1542
01:05:52,830 --> 01:05:56,340
are being beaten in
the streets of Chicago.
1543
01:05:56,340 --> 01:06:00,349
- Wisconsin does not press
acknowledged for that purpose.
1544
01:06:02,370 --> 01:06:03,860
- They were just covered with blood.
1545
01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:05,120
His head was split open.
1546
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,660
His shirt was covered with blood.
1547
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:08,910
- At that point, I thought
I wasn't gonna make it.
1548
01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:10,720
- I'm a member of the British parliament.
1549
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,363
I was first elected in 1964.
1550
01:06:12,363 --> 01:06:14,550
- Were you in Chicago during the period
1551
01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:16,810
of the democratic national convention?
1552
01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:17,790
- Yes.
1553
01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:18,660
- Well now.
1554
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:20,850
We call our senators here senator
1555
01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:24,440
and we call our congressman congressman.
1556
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,770
- You can call me honorable member
1557
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:26,770
for Rochester and Chatham.
1558
01:06:26,770 --> 01:06:28,120
- Oh, that's a little long.
1559
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,450
I'll just have to call
you a Madam witness.
1560
01:06:30,450 --> 01:06:32,380
- I was just trying to
make it easy for you.
1561
01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:33,750
- Don't make it easy for me.
1562
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:35,660
That's not your responsibility.
1563
01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:37,830
- Mine's to tell the truth.
1564
01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:39,510
- Would you indicate what you saw
1565
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:42,533
on the street Wednesday, August 28th.
1566
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,580
- Well I went out across.
1567
01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:46,413
What is it?
1568
01:06:46,413 --> 01:06:48,060
Balboa Street.
1569
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:49,750
I crossed the street and went down
1570
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:51,643
to the pavement off Michigan Avenue.
1571
01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:55,267
I saw a whole crowd of
people across the street
1572
01:06:55,267 --> 01:06:57,123
and I saw a line of police.
1573
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:00,000
I went up to one of
the young persons then.
1574
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,550
I asked them what was happening.
1575
01:07:01,550 --> 01:07:03,193
I just said, what's going on?
1576
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:06,960
Well, first of all, I'd had the, you know,
1577
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,130
the CS gas and I've been coughing
1578
01:07:09,130 --> 01:07:11,290
and choking with the other people.
1579
01:07:11,290 --> 01:07:14,198
And then I was grabbed from behind.
1580
01:07:14,198 --> 01:07:16,700
A voice said move along there.
1581
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:19,193
And I said, well, I was just
talking to these young people.
1582
01:07:20,081 --> 01:07:22,260
And then I was picked
up, grabbed and thrown
1583
01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:23,333
into a police wagon.
1584
01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:26,120
Those are the facts, my lord.
1585
01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:32,460
- I teach and recite poetry
and lecture at universities.
1586
01:07:32,690 --> 01:07:34,200
- Did you ever study abroad?
1587
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,033
- Oh yes.
1588
01:07:35,033 --> 01:07:36,833
I studied in India and Japan.
1589
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:42,260
I studied mantra yoga,
meditation exercise.
1590
01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:44,170
Sitting quietly breathing exercises
1591
01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:46,620
to quiet the body and calm the mind.
1592
01:07:46,620 --> 01:07:49,750
- Did you have any occasion
to meet with Abbie Hoffman?
1593
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:50,640
- Yeah.
1594
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,590
- Do you recall what Mr. Hoffman said
1595
01:07:52,590 --> 01:07:54,060
in the course of conversation?
1596
01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:55,240
- Mm hm.
1597
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,073
Yippee.
1598
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:59,950
He said the politics was
becoming theater and magic.
1599
01:07:59,950 --> 01:08:02,780
That it was the manipulation of imagery
1600
01:08:02,780 --> 01:08:04,540
through the mass media that was confusing
1601
01:08:04,540 --> 01:08:07,520
and hypnotizing the people
in the United States,
1602
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,560
making them accept a war,
1603
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,280
which they really didn't believe in.
1604
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,100
And that we ourselves might
get together in Chicago
1605
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,250
and invite teachers to
present different ideas
1606
01:08:18,250 --> 01:08:19,380
of what's wrong with the planet.
1607
01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:22,580
What we can do to stop
the pollution crisis.
1608
01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:24,560
What we can do to stop the war.
1609
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,820
- After he spoke to you, what if anything,
1610
01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:29,200
was your response to this suggestion?
1611
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,570
- Well.
1612
01:08:30,570 --> 01:08:31,950
I was worried whether or not
1613
01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:35,213
the whole scene would become violent.
1614
01:08:35,213 --> 01:08:37,740
I was worried whether the
government would let us
1615
01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:40,890
do something that was funnier or prettier.
1616
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:41,750
- Object, your honor.
1617
01:08:41,750 --> 01:08:42,730
Ask that it be stricken.
1618
01:08:42,730 --> 01:08:43,790
It's not responsive.
1619
01:08:43,790 --> 01:08:45,690
- Yes, I sustain the objection.
1620
01:08:45,690 --> 01:08:47,980
- Sir, that was our conversation.
1621
01:08:47,980 --> 01:08:51,750
- Now directing your attention
to Sunday, August 25th.
1622
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:53,150
What did you do in the park?
1623
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,300
- Well, there was an appearance
1624
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,070
of a great mass of policemen going
1625
01:08:57,070 --> 01:08:58,620
through the center of the park.
1626
01:09:00,290 --> 01:09:01,750
I was afraid.
1627
01:09:01,750 --> 01:09:04,270
I felt the adrenaline run through my body,
1628
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:08,046
so I sat down on a green hillside
1629
01:09:08,046 --> 01:09:11,280
with a group of younger people.
1630
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,680
And I began chanting the magic password,
1631
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,203
which cuts through all emergency illusion.
1632
01:09:18,107 --> 01:09:18,940
Ohm.
1633
01:09:22,175 --> 01:09:23,008
Ohm.
1634
01:09:24,447 --> 01:09:26,535
- All right, we've had a demonstration.
1635
01:09:26,535 --> 01:09:27,873
- All right.
1636
01:09:27,873 --> 01:09:29,830
- From here on, I object.
1637
01:09:29,830 --> 01:09:30,663
- I sustain the objection.
1638
01:09:30,663 --> 01:09:32,950
- If the court pleased
there's been much testimony
1639
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:35,550
by the government's witnesses
whether there were stones
1640
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:38,880
or people throwing things
or using obscenities.
1641
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,970
Why can't we also hear what's being said
1642
01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:42,580
in the area of calming the crowd?
1643
01:09:42,580 --> 01:09:45,490
- I have no objection to the
two ohms that we've heard.
1644
01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:47,750
However, I just don't want
it to go on all morning.
1645
01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:50,790
- The two however you
characterize what the witness did
1646
01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:53,310
may remain on the record
and he may not continue
1647
01:09:53,310 --> 01:09:55,150
in the same vein.
1648
01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:57,340
Now at approximately 8:00 p.m.,
1649
01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:58,923
what was occurring in the park?
1650
01:09:59,845 --> 01:10:02,340
- There was a great
crowd of people listening
1651
01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:05,085
to ministers conduct the ceremony.
1652
01:10:05,085 --> 01:10:08,270
Everybody was seated around the cross,
1653
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:12,240
which was in the center of hundreds
1654
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,663
of people who were singing.
1655
01:10:14,785 --> 01:10:17,785
♪ We shall overcome ♪
1656
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:24,450
And then, oh after a short period of time,
1657
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:29,450
there was a burst of smoke
and tear gas around the cross.
1658
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:33,380
And I turned and I said, they have gas.
1659
01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:34,900
The cross of Christ.
1660
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:36,770
- Your honor, I have some materials
1661
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:38,780
that I'll have to get to properly carry
1662
01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:41,150
on my cross examination of this witness.
1663
01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:42,240
It will take me some time.
1664
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:43,840
- Are you suggesting a recess?
1665
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,400
- I would think, yes, your honor.
1666
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,740
- All right, we will go until two o'clock.
1667
01:10:47,740 --> 01:10:50,360
- Your honor, we asked for
five minutes two days ago
1668
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,900
and you refused to give it to us.
1669
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:54,130
- You will have to cease
that disrespectful tone.
1670
01:10:54,130 --> 01:10:54,963
- Not disrespect.
1671
01:10:54,963 --> 01:10:56,300
It's an angry tone, your honor.
1672
01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:57,133
- Yes, it is.
1673
01:10:57,133 --> 01:10:57,966
It is.
1674
01:10:57,966 --> 01:10:59,640
I will grant the motion to the government.
1675
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,630
- You refused us five minutes.
1676
01:11:01,630 --> 01:11:02,780
Why the different treatment?
1677
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:04,220
- You are shouting at the court.
1678
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:05,223
- Your honor, everybody
has raised their voice
1679
01:11:05,223 --> 01:11:07,027
in this court room including your honor.
1680
01:11:07,027 --> 01:11:10,320
- I have never shouted
at you during this trial.
1681
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,820
- You have raised your
voice in this courtroom.
1682
01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:14,110
- You have been disrespectful.
1683
01:11:14,110 --> 01:11:15,471
- It is not disrespectful.
1684
01:11:15,471 --> 01:11:17,350
- It's sometimes
even worse than that.
1685
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:18,416
- Oh, your honor.
1686
01:11:18,416 --> 01:11:19,923
- Ohm.
1687
01:11:19,923 --> 01:11:21,960
- Will you stop off the witness stand?
1688
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,130
- He's just trying to calm us both down.
1689
01:11:24,130 --> 01:11:26,867
- I needn't no calming down.
1690
01:11:31,146 --> 01:11:34,318
♪ I do believe ♪
1691
01:11:34,318 --> 01:11:35,151
- Wait a minute.
1692
01:11:35,151 --> 01:11:36,335
Wait a minute.
1693
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:38,893
- Mr. Ginsburg.
1694
01:11:40,260 --> 01:11:43,010
Your name does kind of the
yippee religious leader.
1695
01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:46,120
Do you think that that's
a fair designation?
1696
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:46,953
- Oh no.
1697
01:11:46,953 --> 01:11:48,890
Well, leader is a word
we try to get away from.
1698
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:51,721
I mean, we tried to get away
from the authoritarian thing.
1699
01:11:51,721 --> 01:11:53,830
It was more like.
1700
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:55,290
- Religious teacher.
1701
01:11:55,290 --> 01:11:57,260
- Religious experimenter, huh.
1702
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,060
- Now concerning poetry
that you've written.
1703
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:05,840
There's a poem called the Night Apple.
1704
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,057
- The Night Apple, yes.
1705
01:12:08,057 --> 01:12:10,157
- Would you recite that poem for the jury?
1706
01:12:12,970 --> 01:12:15,170
- Last night I dreamed of the one I love
1707
01:12:15,170 --> 01:12:19,453
for seven long years,
but I did not see a face.
1708
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,640
I saw the familiar presence of the body.
1709
01:12:24,370 --> 01:12:28,920
Sweat, skin, eyes, feces, sperm, saliva.
1710
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,963
All one odor and mortal tastes.
1711
01:12:33,820 --> 01:12:34,833
- Could you explain to the jury
1712
01:12:34,833 --> 01:12:37,493
what the religious
significance of that poem is?
1713
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:40,810
- If you would take a wet dream
1714
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:42,580
as a religious experience I could.
1715
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:45,243
It was a description of a wet dream, sir.
1716
01:12:54,986 --> 01:12:57,140
- Do you have a poem
that you entitled Howl?
1717
01:12:57,140 --> 01:13:00,250
- Howl, yes, but Howl is a big poem.
1718
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:01,740
I don't know it.
1719
01:13:01,740 --> 01:13:05,300
- Could you recite whatever
fragments you do recall?
1720
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:06,133
- Yes.
1721
01:13:08,290 --> 01:13:13,290
I saw the best minds of my
generation destroyed by madness.
1722
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:15,123
Starving.
1723
01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:17,580
Hysterical.
1724
01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:18,413
Naked.
1725
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,430
Who shrieked with delight in police cars
1726
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:24,607
for committing no other crime
1727
01:13:24,607 --> 01:13:29,607
than their own wild cooking
pederasty intoxication.
1728
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:36,083
Who protested the narcotic
tobacco haze of capitalism.
1729
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:43,040
What sphinx of cement and
aluminum bashed open these skulls
1730
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,282
and ate their brains and imagination?
1731
01:13:47,282 --> 01:13:50,873
Moloch, solitude, filth, ugliness.
1732
01:13:52,170 --> 01:13:56,620
Ash cans and unobtainable dollars.
1733
01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:59,100
Children screaming in hallways.
1734
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:02,350
Old men weeping in parks.
1735
01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:05,170
Boys sobbing in war.
1736
01:14:05,170 --> 01:14:08,310
Moloch, Moloch, Moloch.
1737
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:09,540
The nightmare of Moloch.
1738
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:11,950
Moloch the loveless.
1739
01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:14,660
Moloch the heavy judger of men.
1740
01:14:14,660 --> 01:14:18,750
Moloch the crossbones soulless jailhouse
1741
01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:21,850
and congress of sorrows.
1742
01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:24,120
Moloch whose buildings are judgment.
1743
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,140
Moloch the vast stone of war.
1744
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:30,193
Moloch the stunned governments.
1745
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,020
- My name is Abbie.
1746
01:14:36,020 --> 01:14:37,830
I'm an orphan of America.
1747
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:39,750
- Where do you reside?
1748
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:41,110
- I live in Woodstock nation.
1749
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:44,730
- Will you tell the court
and the jury where it is?
1750
01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:46,220
- Sure.
1751
01:14:46,220 --> 01:14:49,090
It's a nation of alienated young people.
1752
01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:51,010
We carry it around with
us as a state of mind,
1753
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:52,610
much like the Sioux Indians carried around
1754
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:54,370
the Sioux nation with them.
1755
01:14:54,370 --> 01:14:58,150
It's a nation dedicated to
cooperation versus competition,
1756
01:14:58,150 --> 01:15:00,260
to the idea that people
should have a better means
1757
01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:02,720
of exchange than property or money.
1758
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,010
- When were you born?
1759
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:05,810
- Psychologically 1960.
1760
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:08,060
- Between your birth in 1960,
1761
01:15:08,060 --> 01:15:10,533
what if anything occurred in your life?
1762
01:15:11,710 --> 01:15:12,920
- Nothing.
1763
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,100
I believe it's called
an American education.
1764
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:15,933
- Objection.
1765
01:15:15,933 --> 01:15:17,483
- Objection sustained.
1766
01:15:18,582 --> 01:15:22,220
- Now can you tell the court and jury,
1767
01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:24,410
what is your present occupation?
1768
01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:27,033
- Yes, I am a cultural revolutionary.
1769
01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:29,323
Well.
1770
01:15:30,162 --> 01:15:31,693
I'm really a defendant.
1771
01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:33,883
Full time.
1772
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:39,520
- Now taking you back to 1960.
1773
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:40,353
- Objection.
1774
01:15:40,353 --> 01:15:41,880
- I sustain the objection.
1775
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,710
- Your honor, this date has
great relevance to the trial.
1776
01:15:44,710 --> 01:15:46,420
I'm gonna bring him down through Chicago.
1777
01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:49,240
- Not in my presence you're
not gonna bring him down.
1778
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,979
I sustain the objection to the question.
1779
01:15:51,979 --> 01:15:54,560
- My background has nothing
to do with my state of mind?
1780
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,100
- Will you remain quiet
while I'm making a ruling?
1781
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:59,130
I know you have no respect for me.
1782
01:15:59,130 --> 01:16:01,053
- Your honor, this is totally unwarranted.
1783
01:16:01,053 --> 01:16:03,670
I think your remarks call for a mistrial.
1784
01:16:03,670 --> 01:16:05,660
- Motion will be denied.
1785
01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:08,630
- Now directing your
attention to September 1967.
1786
01:16:10,517 --> 01:16:12,970
What were you doing?
1787
01:16:12,970 --> 01:16:14,933
- I was doing a number of things.
1788
01:16:17,470 --> 01:16:20,883
Among them was a meeting I had
with defendant Jerry Rubin.
1789
01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:24,220
Jerry said that the war in
Vietnam was not just an accident,
1790
01:16:24,220 --> 01:16:26,530
but that it was a byproduct
of a kind of system.
1791
01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:28,480
A capitalist system in the country
1792
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,930
and that we had to begin to
put forth new kinds of values,
1793
01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:33,160
especially for the young
people in this country
1794
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:34,290
to make a kind of society
1795
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,310
in which a Vietnam war
would not be possible.
1796
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:40,200
I said that America was in
the last stages of its empire
1797
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,753
and that it was bent on
devouring its children.
1798
01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:48,680
I said that the Pentagon
is a five-sided symbol
1799
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,730
of evil in most religions
and that we might be able
1800
01:16:50,730 --> 01:16:53,370
to approach this from a
religious point of view.
1801
01:16:53,370 --> 01:16:55,880
If we got large numbers of
people to surround the Pentagon,
1802
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,960
we might be able to exercise
it of its evil spirits.
1803
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,000
So we measured the Pentagon
to see how many people
1804
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,300
would take to fit around it.
1805
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:03,510
Of course we only have to measure one side
1806
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:05,230
because then you just
multiply one times five
1807
01:17:05,230 --> 01:17:07,229
and you know depending on five sides.
1808
01:17:07,229 --> 01:17:08,830
You know what happened?
1809
01:17:08,830 --> 01:17:09,820
Do you know happened?
1810
01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:10,653
Surprise.
1811
01:17:10,653 --> 01:17:11,486
We got arrested.
1812
01:17:11,486 --> 01:17:13,720
Do you know it's illegal
to measure the Pentagon?
1813
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,430
I didn't know it up to that point.
1814
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:16,779
What a surprise.
1815
01:17:16,779 --> 01:17:18,840
Well anyway, when we got arrested,
1816
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,927
they said, what do you think you're doing?
1817
01:17:20,927 --> 01:17:23,390
And we said, see we want to get a permit
1818
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:26,250
to raise the Pentagon 300 feet in the air.
1819
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:27,607
They said what?
1820
01:17:27,607 --> 01:17:29,560
How about 10?
1821
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,410
So we said, okay.
1822
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:33,930
- Your honor, I would ask Mr. Weinglass,
1823
01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:36,740
please get on with the trial of this case
1824
01:17:36,740 --> 01:17:41,740
and stop playing around with
raising the Pentagon 10 feet
1825
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:44,176
or 300 feet off the ground.
1826
01:17:44,176 --> 01:17:48,670
- Your honor, I am glad to see
Mr. Schultz finally concedes
1827
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:51,640
that things like levitating
the Pentagon building,
1828
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,050
putting LSD in the water,
10,000 people walking nude
1829
01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:59,190
on Lake Michigan and a
$200,000 bribe attempt
1830
01:17:59,190 --> 01:18:01,210
are all playing around.
1831
01:18:01,210 --> 01:18:02,590
I am willing to concede that fact
1832
01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:05,240
that it was all playing around.
1833
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,987
It was a play idea of this witness.
1834
01:18:07,987 --> 01:18:11,160
And if he's willing to concede
it, we can all go home.
1835
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:12,803
- I sustain the objection.
1836
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:15,970
- At this time, we would like
1837
01:18:15,970 --> 01:18:19,443
to introduce a film by Abbie Hoffman.
1838
01:18:21,215 --> 01:18:22,360
- Great.
1839
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,360
- We regard this to be
absolutely essential
1840
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,490
and indispensable to our case
1841
01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:33,013
that nothing better shows
Abbie Hoffman's state of mind.
1842
01:18:34,993 --> 01:18:37,517
♪ The young man started growing ♪
1843
01:18:37,517 --> 01:18:39,757
♪ The youngblood started flowing ♪
1844
01:18:39,757 --> 01:18:40,846
♪ But I am ♪
1845
01:18:40,846 --> 01:18:41,840
- The yippees decided
1846
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,930
to enter their own candidate
1847
01:18:43,930 --> 01:18:45,670
in the presidential sweepstakes.
1848
01:18:45,670 --> 01:18:47,410
- The film is not serious I conceded,
1849
01:18:47,410 --> 01:18:49,652
but neither was the yippee myth.
1850
01:18:49,652 --> 01:18:52,873
- The film will not be
admitted as evidence.
1851
01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:01,530
- Abbie Hoffman, prior to coming
to Chicago from April 1968
1852
01:19:01,530 --> 01:19:03,740
onto the week of the convention,
1853
01:19:03,740 --> 01:19:06,950
did you enter into an
agreement with David Dellinger,
1854
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:11,080
John Froines, Tom Hayden,
Jerry Rubin, Lee Wiener,
1855
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,710
or Rennie Davis to come
to the city of Chicago
1856
01:19:14,710 --> 01:19:17,810
for the purpose of encouraging
and promoting violence
1857
01:19:17,810 --> 01:19:19,660
during the convention week?
1858
01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:20,493
- An agreement?
1859
01:19:20,493 --> 01:19:21,326
- Yes.
1860
01:19:21,326 --> 01:19:23,040
- Couldn't agree on lunch.
1861
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,750
- I have no further questions.
1862
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:27,053
- Cross examination.
1863
01:19:30,570 --> 01:19:31,453
- Go 'head, Dick.
1864
01:19:33,874 --> 01:19:36,923
- Did you symbolically urinate
on the Pentagon, Mr. Hoffman?
1865
01:19:38,469 --> 01:19:40,930
- I symbolically urinate on the Pentagon?
1866
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:41,763
- Yes.
1867
01:19:42,726 --> 01:19:45,080
- I didn't get that close.
1868
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,210
Pee on the walls of the Pentagon?
1869
01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:49,060
You're getting to be out of site actually.
1870
01:19:49,060 --> 01:19:50,320
- Are you done, Mr. Hoffman?
1871
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,310
- I'm done when you are.
1872
01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:53,360
- The fact is Mr. Hoffman, you were trying
1873
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,230
to create a situation where the state
1874
01:19:55,230 --> 01:19:57,300
and the United States
government would have to bring
1875
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:59,960
on the national guard in
order to protect the delegates
1876
01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:02,310
so that it would appear
that the convention
1877
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:04,580
had to be held under military conditions.
1878
01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:05,670
Isn't that a fact?
1879
01:20:05,670 --> 01:20:08,220
- Come on, you can do that
with a yo-yo in this country.
1880
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:09,210
It's quite easy.
1881
01:20:09,210 --> 01:20:10,620
Just look around this courtroom.
1882
01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:12,220
Look at all the troops around.
1883
01:20:12,220 --> 01:20:15,070
- Mr. Hoffman, while you were in Chicago,
1884
01:20:15,070 --> 01:20:17,190
you deliberately told your police tales
1885
01:20:17,190 --> 01:20:19,180
that you had had a fight with Rubin.
1886
01:20:19,180 --> 01:20:20,013
- Yes, deliberately.
1887
01:20:20,013 --> 01:20:22,810
- In order to destroy any
charges of conspiracy.
1888
01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:23,683
Isn't that right?
1889
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:26,610
Isn't that right, Mr. Hoffman?
1890
01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:27,443
- Yes.
1891
01:20:27,443 --> 01:20:29,450
Yes, God, I was so sneaky.
1892
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:31,399
Yes, I told that to the policemen.
1893
01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:33,670
It didn't work obviously.
1894
01:20:33,670 --> 01:20:36,762
- Mr. Hoffman, while you were negotiating
1895
01:20:36,762 --> 01:20:40,740
with city officials, you were
secretly attending meetings
1896
01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:43,550
and planning for
spontaneous acts of violence
1897
01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:45,340
during the democratic national convention.
1898
01:20:45,340 --> 01:20:46,190
Isn't that right?
1899
01:20:48,952 --> 01:20:52,020
- How do you plan for
spontaneous acts of violence?
1900
01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:53,750
I would have no idea how to do that.
1901
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:57,840
- You wrote, did you not,
that you dismissed the thought
1902
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,330
of attempting to take over a building
1903
01:20:59,330 --> 01:21:01,170
right across the street from
the police headquarters.
1904
01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:02,434
Isn't that right, Mr. Hoffman?
1905
01:21:02,434 --> 01:21:03,267
- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
1906
01:21:03,267 --> 01:21:04,120
Did you say that I had thoughts
1907
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,180
or that I wrote that I had the thoughts?
1908
01:21:05,180 --> 01:21:06,730
You know, there is a difference.
1909
01:21:06,730 --> 01:21:09,480
- It is a convenient difference,
isn't it, Mr. Hoffman?
1910
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,362
- I don't know what you
mean by that, Mr. Schultz.
1911
01:21:12,362 --> 01:21:15,490
I never been on trial
for my thoughts before.
1912
01:21:15,490 --> 01:21:17,730
- Your honor, that's outside the scope
1913
01:21:17,730 --> 01:21:19,260
of the direct examination.
1914
01:21:19,260 --> 01:21:21,730
- Mr. Weingrass, I overrule the objection.
1915
01:21:21,730 --> 01:21:22,840
- Wine grass.
1916
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,012
Great combination.
1917
01:21:24,012 --> 01:21:26,330
- I order you to answer the question, sir.
1918
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:28,180
You are required by law.
1919
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:29,013
- What?
1920
01:21:29,013 --> 01:21:30,430
I just got a yes or a no.
1921
01:21:30,430 --> 01:21:31,540
All my years on this stand,
1922
01:21:31,540 --> 01:21:33,290
I never heard a ruling like that.
1923
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:34,641
- Mr. Hoffman, isn't it a fact
1924
01:21:34,641 --> 01:21:38,560
that one of the reasons
why you came to Chicago
1925
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,713
was simply to wreck American society?
1926
01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:43,872
- Oy.
1927
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,310
My feeling at the time and still is
1928
01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:49,030
that society is gonna wreck itself.
1929
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:50,660
I've said that on a number of occasions.
1930
01:21:50,660 --> 01:21:53,160
I said that our role is to survive
1931
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,043
while society comes
tumbling down around us.
1932
01:21:56,890 --> 01:21:59,023
Our role is to survive.
1933
01:22:01,890 --> 01:22:03,470
- No matter what constituency
1934
01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:05,680
in America that I'm organized.
1935
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,320
No matter what community.
1936
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,210
I'm always confronted with that right off.
1937
01:22:10,210 --> 01:22:11,820
That we can't win.
1938
01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:13,010
That they're always gonna win.
1939
01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:15,790
The utility company wins all the time.
1940
01:22:15,790 --> 01:22:17,210
It's the way it's supposed to be.
1941
01:22:17,210 --> 01:22:18,760
Washington gets its way.
1942
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,100
It's the most anti-democratic attitude.
1943
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:23,730
And you think then you wonder like how,
1944
01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:25,820
where they pick this up along the way?
1945
01:22:25,820 --> 01:22:26,653
I didn't.
1946
01:22:26,653 --> 01:22:28,890
I mean, I must have fell off the truck
1947
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:32,550
because I don't believe it for a minute.
1948
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:34,310
- Your honor, is it possible
1949
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:37,000
to conduct this direct examination
1950
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,130
without having all these marshals
1951
01:22:39,130 --> 01:22:41,470
standing directly behind me?
1952
01:22:41,470 --> 01:22:43,120
We haven't had that for
the other witnesses.
1953
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,800
- I leave the matter of
security, Mr. Kunstler
1954
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:46,990
to the U.S. Marshall.
1955
01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:49,063
I find him a very competent man.
1956
01:22:56,453 --> 01:22:57,490
- What is your name?
1957
01:22:57,490 --> 01:22:58,873
- Richard Joseph Daley.
1958
01:23:00,090 --> 01:23:01,940
- What is your occupation?
1959
01:23:01,940 --> 01:23:04,910
- I am the mayor of the city of Chicago.
1960
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:09,050
- Who is the chairman of the
park commissions in 1968?
1961
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:12,423
- A proper designation is
president not chairman.
1962
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,450
The president was William McFetridge.
1963
01:23:15,450 --> 01:23:17,430
- Is that the same William McFetridge
1964
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:20,700
who announced your first
candidacy for mayor in 1954?
1965
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:22,150
- Objection, your honor.
1966
01:23:22,150 --> 01:23:24,090
- I sustain the objection.
1967
01:23:24,090 --> 01:23:28,713
- Is it true, Mayor Daley,
that Mr. McFetridge once said,
1968
01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:31,329
the parks are not for the centers?
1969
01:23:31,329 --> 01:23:32,162
- Objection.
1970
01:23:32,162 --> 01:23:35,947
- I sustain the objection.
1971
01:23:37,450 --> 01:23:38,650
- Mayor Daley.
1972
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,950
- She didn't do anything.
1973
01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:43,938
- Your honor, what is happening?
1974
01:23:43,938 --> 01:23:44,771
- Leave her alone.
1975
01:23:44,771 --> 01:23:47,338
- Will you let the Marshall
take care of the rear row?
1976
01:23:47,338 --> 01:23:49,730
- Move it.
1977
01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:51,322
- Hey, what you doing?
1978
01:23:52,155 --> 01:23:52,988
- What about that?
1979
01:23:52,988 --> 01:23:53,821
- He's hitting Greg in the face.
1980
01:23:53,821 --> 01:23:55,766
- I don't understand.
1981
01:23:55,766 --> 01:23:57,727
Your honor, we have information that none
1982
01:23:57,727 --> 01:23:59,990
of the people doing the
removing are not Marshalls,
1983
01:23:59,990 --> 01:24:02,180
but employees of the city of Chicago.
1984
01:24:02,180 --> 01:24:04,310
- If everybody will be quiet and listen
1985
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:08,140
to the testimony of the witness,
there will be no disorder.
1986
01:24:08,140 --> 01:24:09,850
Will you please proceed, sir,
1987
01:24:09,850 --> 01:24:12,030
with the direct examination
of this witness?
1988
01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:15,013
Otherwise, I will direct the
witness to leave the stand.
1989
01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:18,453
- Mayor Daley.
1990
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:25,600
On April 15th, did you not
order your police department
1991
01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:31,460
to shoot to kill and
shoot to maim black people
1992
01:24:31,460 --> 01:24:32,600
in the city of Chicago?
1993
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,140
- Your honor, I object to
the question on the grounds
1994
01:24:35,140 --> 01:24:37,520
that it is leading
suggestive and material.
1995
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,710
- Your honor, I have to
ask a leading question
1996
01:24:39,710 --> 01:24:40,543
in order to move.
1997
01:24:40,543 --> 01:24:42,240
- No, no, you don't have to.
1998
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:43,710
I won't permit you to.
1999
01:24:43,710 --> 01:24:45,340
- Then at the moment I move
2000
01:24:45,340 --> 01:24:47,770
that Mayor Daley be
declared a hostile witness.
2001
01:24:47,770 --> 01:24:48,750
- What?
2002
01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:50,950
The mayor's been the
most friendly witness.
2003
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:54,560
- I want to indicate the
word hostile, your honor.
2004
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,500
All of the defendants feel Mayor
Daley is a hostile witness.
2005
01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:02,410
Hostile in the sense that
they attribute to him
2006
01:25:02,410 --> 01:25:03,800
everything that happened to them,
2007
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,870
inclusion with other people
2008
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:06,580
in the city of Chicago last summer.
2009
01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:10,184
- Don't know whether the
witness is hostile as a witness.
2010
01:25:10,184 --> 01:25:12,160
He may have been hostile as a mayor,
2011
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,270
but he may not be hostile as a witness.
2012
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:16,883
This matter has been that of a gentlemen.
2013
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,890
Motion of the defense will be denied.
2014
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:26,060
- Mayor Daley, on the 28th of August 1968.
2015
01:25:26,060 --> 01:25:28,700
- We wouldn't have to
have Gestapo tactics.
2016
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:31,148
- Did you say to Senator Rivercock.
2017
01:25:31,148 --> 01:25:31,981
- Your honor.
2018
01:25:31,981 --> 01:25:34,220
- Did you say that and
quote, "Fuck you, you Jew?
2019
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:35,332
"Listen to that.
2020
01:25:35,332 --> 01:25:36,785
"You love me, motherfucker.
2021
01:25:36,785 --> 01:25:37,618
"Go home."
2022
01:25:37,618 --> 01:25:38,451
Unquote.
2023
01:25:38,451 --> 01:25:39,550
- Yeah, go.
2024
01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:40,970
- Foolish, improper questions.
2025
01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:43,200
- Court will recess for 15 minutes.
2026
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:44,107
- Just please.
2027
01:25:45,041 --> 01:25:46,959
Just go.
2028
01:25:46,959 --> 01:25:47,792
- Yeah.
2029
01:25:49,740 --> 01:25:50,573
Hey, hey.
2030
01:25:51,826 --> 01:25:55,390
What's with all these lawyers
and everything here, huh?
2031
01:25:55,390 --> 01:25:57,720
Why don't you and me
settle this right here?
2032
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:58,580
Let's go.
2033
01:25:58,580 --> 01:25:59,413
Come on.
2034
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:05,920
- I was at the Americana
Hotel in New York City
2035
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,860
attending a press conference.
2036
01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:10,860
It was to announce the formation
of what we have now come
2037
01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:12,560
to know of as the yippee movement.
2038
01:26:13,410 --> 01:26:15,913
- And what did you
do at that press conference?
2039
01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:18,293
- Well.
2040
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:23,349
♪ Where have all the flowers gone ♪
2041
01:26:23,349 --> 01:26:27,285
♪ Long time passing ♪
2042
01:26:27,285 --> 01:26:28,200
♪ Where have all ♪
2043
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,488
- Just a minute, young lady.
2044
01:26:29,488 --> 01:26:31,208
♪ The flowers gone ♪
2045
01:26:31,208 --> 01:26:33,973
♪ Long time ago ♪
2046
01:26:33,973 --> 01:26:37,677
♪ Where have all the flowers gone ♪
2047
01:26:37,677 --> 01:26:40,855
♪ Gone to graveyard ♪
2048
01:26:40,855 --> 01:26:42,144
- I'm sorry.
2049
01:26:42,144 --> 01:26:44,170
Judge would like to speak to you.
2050
01:26:44,170 --> 01:26:46,970
- We don't allow any
singing in this court.
2051
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:48,590
I'm sorry.
2052
01:26:48,590 --> 01:26:50,560
We're not here to be entertained.
2053
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,180
We are trying a very important case.
2054
01:26:53,180 --> 01:26:54,830
- The song is not an
entertainment, your honor.
2055
01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:56,680
It's a song of peace and what happens
2056
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,290
to men and women during war time.
2057
01:26:59,290 --> 01:27:02,323
- I forbid her from
singing during this trial.
2058
01:27:05,060 --> 01:27:08,030
- The first time I came
to the city of Chicago
2059
01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:10,379
was to visit the
international amphitheater
2060
01:27:10,379 --> 01:27:13,553
in a poultry judging contest in 1956.
2061
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,460
I had just won the Eastern United States
2062
01:27:16,460 --> 01:27:18,150
poultry judging contest in four H.
2063
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:18,983
I was 16.
2064
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,660
- Now directing your attention
2065
01:27:21,660 --> 01:27:25,060
to the evening of November 20th, 1967,
2066
01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:26,923
could you relate the words you spoke?
2067
01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:33,490
- I began by holding
up a small steel ball.
2068
01:27:33,490 --> 01:27:35,136
It was green.
2069
01:27:35,136 --> 01:27:37,463
About the size of a tennis ball.
2070
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:40,870
And I said this bomb was dropped
2071
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:43,923
on a city of 100,000 people.
2072
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:46,283
A city called Danang.
2073
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:50,840
I said it was delivered by
an American fighter jet.
2074
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,240
And that when this cluster bomb exploded
2075
01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:59,593
about 640 of these steel balls
were spewed into the sky.
2076
01:28:00,690 --> 01:28:03,583
Now one of these steel balls, I explained,
2077
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,600
was roughly three times the power
2078
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,600
of an old fashioned hand grenade.
2079
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,810
Now with 640 of them going off,
2080
01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:16,030
you can spray 250,000 square yards
2081
01:28:16,030 --> 01:28:17,600
with steel pellets and shrapnel.
2082
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,800
Every living thing exposed will die,
2083
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,130
whether it's a water buffalo
or a water buffalo boy.
2084
01:28:24,130 --> 01:28:27,510
If this bomb were to go off in this room,
2085
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:29,060
everyone in the room would die,
2086
01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:32,570
but it wouldn't destroy
the lecture podium.
2087
01:28:32,570 --> 01:28:34,470
Wouldn't damage the walls.
2088
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:36,810
And ceiling, the floor, it takes life,
2089
01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:39,050
but it leaves the institution.
2090
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:42,040
It's the ideal weapon for the mentality
2091
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,253
that reasons that life is
less precious than property.
2092
01:28:46,980 --> 01:28:51,330
Then I said that I, as
an American citizen,
2093
01:28:51,330 --> 01:28:54,600
am deeply perturbed that
we live in a country
2094
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,760
where our own government's
lying to American people.
2095
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,080
I said, I'm going to the
democratic national convention
2096
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,880
because I want the world to know
2097
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,550
that there are thousands of young people
2098
01:29:03,550 --> 01:29:04,920
in this country who do not want
2099
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,373
to see a rigged convention
rubber stamp the war.
2100
01:29:19,310 --> 01:29:22,100
- Isn't it a fact that
your plan in Chicago
2101
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:25,700
was to combine the peacefulness of Gandhi
2102
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:28,860
and the violence of active resistance?
2103
01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:30,016
Isn't that a fact?
2104
01:29:30,016 --> 01:29:31,849
- No, it's not a fact.
2105
01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:35,322
In fact, that's not even close.
2106
01:29:35,322 --> 01:29:36,155
And you know it.
2107
01:29:37,670 --> 01:29:39,317
- Your honor.
2108
01:29:39,317 --> 01:29:40,150
May we strike that?
2109
01:29:40,150 --> 01:29:42,740
He whispered to the court
reporter and you know it.
2110
01:29:42,740 --> 01:29:45,513
- No, I made that man to man to Mr. Foran.
2111
01:29:49,710 --> 01:29:53,530
- Your honor, ask the
jury to disregard that
2112
01:29:53,530 --> 01:29:56,840
since as a lawyer in court, I
can't properly respond to it.
2113
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,090
- I hope after this trial,
2114
01:29:58,090 --> 01:30:00,060
you can properly respond, Mr. Foran.
2115
01:30:00,060 --> 01:30:01,600
I really do.
2116
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,433
- I don't know what you're.
2117
01:30:02,433 --> 01:30:04,350
- That you and I can sit down
2118
01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:07,427
and talk about what happened
in Chicago and why it happened.
2119
01:30:07,427 --> 01:30:08,260
- Mr. Witness.
2120
01:30:08,260 --> 01:30:09,180
- I'd like to do that very much.
2121
01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:10,310
- Mr. Witness.
2122
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:11,630
- Your honor.
2123
01:30:11,630 --> 01:30:12,800
- Do you hear me, sir?
2124
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:13,633
- Yes, I do.
2125
01:30:13,633 --> 01:30:14,899
- You didn't respond to--
2126
01:30:14,899 --> 01:30:16,180
- I'm sorry.
2127
01:30:16,180 --> 01:30:17,803
- I don't accept your apologies.
2128
01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:22,550
- Isn't it a fact that all
the vile and vulgar propaganda
2129
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:24,080
that the yippees were passing out
2130
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,230
was to make the authorities
look repressive?
2131
01:30:26,230 --> 01:30:28,500
- Sir, no one had to make
that city look repressive.
2132
01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:29,680
The city was repressive.
2133
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,030
- You and your people wanted
violence in Lincoln Park.
2134
01:30:32,030 --> 01:30:33,511
Didn't you?
2135
01:30:33,511 --> 01:30:35,360
- Your questions embarrass me.
2136
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:36,220
They're so terrible.
2137
01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:37,053
They really do.
2138
01:30:37,053 --> 01:30:38,030
- Well answer it.
2139
01:30:38,030 --> 01:30:38,930
- It's my belief that it was you
2140
01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:41,300
who wanted the violence,
Mr. Foran, not me.
2141
01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:42,990
I did not want violence.
2142
01:30:42,990 --> 01:30:45,720
- You did want to impose an
international humiliation
2143
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,570
on the people that rule this country.
2144
01:30:48,630 --> 01:30:49,940
Isn't that correct?
2145
01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:52,980
- I'm afraid our government
has already humiliated itself
2146
01:30:52,980 --> 01:30:54,780
in the international community, sir.
2147
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:56,743
Can't you understand?
2148
01:30:56,743 --> 01:30:58,230
It's so simple.
2149
01:30:58,230 --> 01:31:00,630
I'm just trying to find a
way that this generation
2150
01:31:00,630 --> 01:31:03,413
can make this country something
better than what it's been.
2151
01:31:05,140 --> 01:31:06,310
- Ralph Abernathy.
2152
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:09,290
He had been the leader of the mule train.
2153
01:31:09,290 --> 01:31:11,320
That was the demonstration
by the Southern Christian
2154
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,653
leadership conference of poor people.
2155
01:31:15,940 --> 01:31:17,193
- Your honor.
2156
01:31:17,193 --> 01:31:20,740
We had originally contacted
Dr. Ralph Abernathy
2157
01:31:20,740 --> 01:31:22,390
to be a witness but he
was out of the country.
2158
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:24,010
He has just returned.
2159
01:31:24,010 --> 01:31:26,930
He is arriving at this
moment at O'Hare airport.
2160
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:28,970
We think his testimony is crucial.
2161
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:31,200
- I certainly am not
going to wait for him.
2162
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,430
There have been several witnesses
called during this trial
2163
01:31:34,430 --> 01:31:37,060
whose testimony could not
even be presented to the jury.
2164
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:38,313
Singers, performers.
2165
01:31:38,313 --> 01:31:40,253
I'll deny your motion.
2166
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:45,104
- I think that what you have just said
2167
01:31:45,104 --> 01:31:47,640
is about the most outrageous statement
2168
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,700
that I have ever heard from a bench
2169
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:51,650
and I'm going to have my say right now.
2170
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,150
I'm trembling.
2171
01:31:55,150 --> 01:31:57,892
I'm so outraged for you
to say on a technicality
2172
01:31:57,892 --> 01:32:01,190
that we cannot put Dr.
Abernathy on the stand.
2173
01:32:01,190 --> 01:32:03,060
Dr. Abernathy is president
2174
01:32:03,060 --> 01:32:05,270
of the Southern Christian
leadership movement.
2175
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:07,730
He is chairman of the
mobilization against war.
2176
01:32:07,730 --> 01:32:09,713
He has relevant testimony.
2177
01:32:10,690 --> 01:32:12,200
I know this is not a fair trial.
2178
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,600
I know it in my heart.
2179
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,220
And I am going to return to my chair
2180
01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:19,640
with the full realization
that everything I have learned
2181
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,650
throughout my life has gone for naught.
2182
01:32:21,650 --> 01:32:23,290
That there is no meaning in this court.
2183
01:32:23,290 --> 01:32:26,419
That there is no law in this court.
2184
01:32:29,610 --> 01:32:31,053
- Out with those applauders.
2185
01:32:31,053 --> 01:32:32,570
- Hey, I applauded too, your honor.
2186
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:33,850
Throw me out.
2187
01:32:33,850 --> 01:32:34,970
- Your honor, may we proceed
2188
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:36,500
with a rebuttal case for the government?
2189
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:37,700
- Yes, you may.
2190
01:32:47,770 --> 01:32:48,830
- Now calling your attention
2191
01:32:48,830 --> 01:32:51,410
to Wednesday, August 28th at 5:45.
2192
01:32:51,410 --> 01:32:54,110
Did you have occasion
to see David Dellinger?
2193
01:32:54,110 --> 01:32:55,390
- I did.
2194
01:32:55,390 --> 01:32:57,450
He was confronting me at
the head of the march.
2195
01:32:57,450 --> 01:32:59,310
- Did you see where Dellinger went?
2196
01:32:59,310 --> 01:33:00,570
- He left with the head of the group
2197
01:33:00,570 --> 01:33:02,240
that were carrying the flag.
2198
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:03,104
- Bullshit.
2199
01:33:03,104 --> 01:33:04,927
That's an absolute lie.
2200
01:33:04,927 --> 01:33:06,600
- Did you get that, Miss Reporter?
2201
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,640
- Let's argue about what you
stand for and what I stand for,
2202
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,870
but let's not go making
things up like that.
2203
01:33:11,870 --> 01:33:13,143
- All of those remarks were made
2204
01:33:13,143 --> 01:33:16,040
from the presence of the court
and jury by Mr. Dellinger.
2205
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,490
- Sometimes the human spirit
can stand so much, your honor.
2206
01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:20,949
I think David Dellinger has reached--
2207
01:33:20,949 --> 01:33:22,723
- I have never heard anymore
2208
01:33:22,723 --> 01:33:24,690
than a half a century of the bar
2209
01:33:24,690 --> 01:33:26,720
a man using profanity in this court.
2210
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,790
- You haven't sat here as a defendant
2211
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:30,550
and listen to lies on the witness stand.
2212
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:31,592
- You're a snake.
2213
01:33:31,592 --> 01:33:34,770
And we have to try and put
you in jail for 10 years
2214
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:36,880
for telling lies about us, Dick Schultz.
2215
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,900
- Be quiet, Mr. Dellinger.
2216
01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:41,540
- When this trial is over,
the judge will go to Florida,
2217
01:33:41,540 --> 01:33:44,330
but if he has his way, the
rest of us will go to jail.
2218
01:33:44,330 --> 01:33:46,897
And what we're fighting
for is not just us,
2219
01:33:46,897 --> 01:33:48,393
but for all the rest of
the people in this country
2220
01:33:48,393 --> 01:33:50,342
who are being oppressed.
2221
01:33:52,842 --> 01:33:55,460
- Take that man into
custody, Mr. Marshall.
2222
01:33:55,460 --> 01:33:56,596
Take him into custody.
2223
01:33:56,596 --> 01:33:57,465
- Into custody?
2224
01:33:57,465 --> 01:33:58,499
- Into custody.
2225
01:33:58,499 --> 01:33:59,970
- Go 'head, Dick Schultz.
2226
01:33:59,970 --> 01:34:01,320
Just put everybody in jail.
2227
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,468
- Dick Schultz is a
Nazi if I ever knew one.
2228
01:34:03,468 --> 01:34:04,986
- You brought this on, your honor.
2229
01:34:04,986 --> 01:34:06,109
This is your fault.
2230
01:34:06,109 --> 01:34:07,629
This is exactly what happened in Chicago.
2231
01:34:07,629 --> 01:34:09,197
- This court is bullshit.
2232
01:34:09,197 --> 01:34:10,812
- There he is saying the same word.
2233
01:34:10,812 --> 01:34:11,873
- No, no, I said it.
2234
01:34:11,873 --> 01:34:13,994
- David Dellinger did not
make that last remark.
2235
01:34:13,994 --> 01:34:14,827
- Davis.
2236
01:34:14,827 --> 01:34:15,660
It was the defendant Davis.
2237
01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:16,910
- Everything in this court is bullshit.
2238
01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:18,367
- Clear the courtroom.
2239
01:34:18,367 --> 01:34:20,673
- You can jail a revolutionary, Julie,
2240
01:34:20,673 --> 01:34:22,640
but you can't jail a revolution.
2241
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:23,530
- You're a disgrace.
2242
01:34:23,530 --> 01:34:24,970
You would've served Hitler better.
2243
01:34:24,970 --> 01:34:26,307
- That was Mr. Hoffman.
2244
01:34:26,307 --> 01:34:27,220
- You damn right it was.
2245
01:34:27,220 --> 01:34:29,023
- I saw him and I heard him.
2246
01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:31,230
- Hey stunk.
2247
01:34:31,230 --> 01:34:32,063
- Mr. Hoffman.
2248
01:34:32,063 --> 01:34:34,050
- Stick that up your bowling ball, pal.
2249
01:34:34,050 --> 01:34:36,450
Hey Julie, how are your war stocks doing?
2250
01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:38,700
- Mr. Marshall, order him to remain quiet.
2251
01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:39,589
- Order?
2252
01:34:39,589 --> 01:34:41,500
You'll have to cut our
tongues out to order us.
2253
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:42,333
Fuck you, guys.
2254
01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:46,850
- You're the laughingstock
of the world, Julius Hoffman.
2255
01:34:46,850 --> 01:34:48,873
You are the laughingstock of the world.
2256
01:34:48,873 --> 01:34:51,003
Every kid in the world hates you.
2257
01:34:52,580 --> 01:34:55,670
- To see this trial right,
you gotta understand
2258
01:34:55,670 --> 01:34:58,960
that this trial was being
seen by millions of people
2259
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,553
as a one minute cartoon each night.
2260
01:35:16,570 --> 01:35:19,293
- May the record show the
defendants Hoffman and Rubin
2261
01:35:19,293 --> 01:35:22,433
came in attire in what might
be called collegiate robes.
2262
01:35:23,593 --> 01:35:25,320
- That's judges robes.
2263
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,073
- Some might even consider
them judicial robes.
2264
01:35:30,025 --> 01:35:31,123
Your idea, Mr. Kunstler?
2265
01:35:31,123 --> 01:35:33,260
Another one of your brilliant ideas?
2266
01:35:33,260 --> 01:35:36,280
- Your honor, I can't take
the credit for this one.
2267
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:37,760
- That amazes me.
2268
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,020
- I sustain the objection.
2269
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:40,200
- Well I object that sustain.
2270
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,420
- Please sit down.
2271
01:35:41,420 --> 01:35:42,253
- I overrule that sustain.
2272
01:35:42,253 --> 01:35:43,527
- Well I sustain that overrule.
2273
01:35:43,527 --> 01:35:44,750
Off with the robe.
2274
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:46,422
- Off with the robes?
2275
01:35:52,201 --> 01:35:55,787
- I proudly accept the
nomination of our party.
2276
01:36:00,660 --> 01:36:03,980
Surely we have now learned a lesson.
2277
01:36:03,980 --> 01:36:07,179
Violence breeds counter violence
2278
01:36:07,179 --> 01:36:11,998
and it cannot be condoned
whatever the source.
2279
01:36:15,217 --> 01:36:19,027
- The point is that they
came here wanting a riot.
2280
01:36:20,410 --> 01:36:21,790
We have shown that these defendants,
2281
01:36:21,790 --> 01:36:24,510
all seven of them had a common purpose
2282
01:36:24,510 --> 01:36:27,600
of bringing disruption and
inciting violence in this city
2283
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,380
and that all seven
participated working together
2284
01:36:32,380 --> 01:36:34,720
to further these plans.
2285
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,390
Oh, they never explicitly said,
you do that to blow up that.
2286
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:39,790
That is not how they did it.
2287
01:36:40,930 --> 01:36:43,370
It was tacit understanding.
2288
01:36:43,370 --> 01:36:46,920
A working together in all
these meetings that they had.
2289
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,693
And that is how they conspired.
2290
01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:52,693
They came here to riot.
2291
01:36:54,590 --> 01:36:57,401
- They didn't look for the
violence with the police.
2292
01:36:57,401 --> 01:37:01,160
They were a crowd that wanted to march.
2293
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:02,923
They weren't permitted to march.
2294
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,833
They stayed in the streets and chanted,
2295
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:09,820
but does that mean that the
police should wade into them
2296
01:37:09,820 --> 01:37:12,850
and beat them and club them?
2297
01:37:12,850 --> 01:37:14,250
Is that the way we've come to deal
2298
01:37:14,250 --> 01:37:15,440
with people in this country
2299
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:18,313
who adamantly insist on
the right to protest?
2300
01:37:22,820 --> 01:37:27,573
- We are living in
extremely troubled times.
2301
01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:33,333
An intolerable war has
divided and dismayed us.
2302
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,310
Racism at home and poverty
2303
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,500
caused despair and discouragement.
2304
01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:43,300
In a so-called affluent society,
2305
01:37:43,300 --> 01:37:47,580
we have people who can't even
approximate the decent life.
2306
01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:51,530
These are rough problems,
terrible problems,
2307
01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:55,050
but they don't go away by
destroying their critics.
2308
01:37:55,050 --> 01:37:58,173
They don't vanish by sending men to jail.
2309
01:37:59,878 --> 01:38:01,803
You can crucify the Jesus.
2310
01:38:03,327 --> 01:38:05,643
You can poison the Socrates.
2311
01:38:05,643 --> 01:38:08,690
You can hang John Brown or Nathan Hale.
2312
01:38:08,690 --> 01:38:10,683
You can kill the trait of honor.
2313
01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:16,323
You can jail Eugene Debs or a Bobby Seale.
2314
01:38:18,340 --> 01:38:21,610
You can assassinate John Kennedy
2315
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:25,443
or a Martin Luther King.
2316
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:30,263
But the problems.
2317
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:34,113
Remain.
2318
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,230
- Remember at the beginning of this case,
2319
01:38:41,230 --> 01:38:44,010
they were calling them
all by diminutive names,
2320
01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:45,620
Rennie and Abbie and Jerry,
2321
01:38:45,620 --> 01:38:48,530
trying to pretend that
they were young kids.
2322
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:49,713
They're not kids.
2323
01:38:50,620 --> 01:38:53,240
They're highly sophisticated educated men
2324
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:54,713
and they are evil men.
2325
01:38:55,580 --> 01:38:56,710
Now there are millions of kids
2326
01:38:56,710 --> 01:38:58,970
who naturally resent authority.
2327
01:38:58,970 --> 01:39:01,430
They feel the horrors of racism
2328
01:39:01,430 --> 01:39:04,400
and the frustration of this
terribly difficult war.
2329
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:05,540
They're impatient for a change.
2330
01:39:05,540 --> 01:39:06,840
You want to fix things up.
2331
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,500
And there's another thing about a kid.
2332
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:12,190
If we all remember, that you
have an attraction to evil.
2333
01:39:12,190 --> 01:39:13,310
Evil is exciting.
2334
01:39:13,310 --> 01:39:14,660
It's interesting.
2335
01:39:14,660 --> 01:39:18,110
These guys take advantage
evilly to corrupt those kids
2336
01:39:18,110 --> 01:39:19,930
and use them for their purposes.
2337
01:39:19,930 --> 01:39:22,300
And you know what their purpose was?
2338
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:23,620
To disrupt.
2339
01:39:23,620 --> 01:39:25,460
To have war in the streets.
2340
01:39:25,460 --> 01:39:26,500
Tear the city apart.
2341
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:27,773
Fuck up the convention.
2342
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,790
Laws to these people are
viewed as suggestions
2343
01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:36,377
that they can obey or not
obey just as they please.
2344
01:39:36,377 --> 01:39:38,980
Oh, they're sophisticated
and they're smart
2345
01:39:38,980 --> 01:39:41,140
and they're just as evil as they can be.
2346
01:39:41,140 --> 01:39:44,233
Now can you imagine, you know,
the way they named dropped?
2347
01:39:45,140 --> 01:39:46,010
Can you imagine?
2348
01:39:46,010 --> 01:39:50,670
And it's almost blasphemous to
say it that they named Jesus.
2349
01:39:50,670 --> 01:39:52,720
They named Martin Luther King.
2350
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,503
Can you imagine those
men supporting these--
2351
01:39:55,503 --> 01:39:56,336
- Yes, I can.
2352
01:39:56,336 --> 01:39:58,010
I can imagine it because it's true.
2353
01:39:58,010 --> 01:39:59,087
- Remove these people, Mr. Marshall.
2354
01:39:59,087 --> 01:40:00,243
- That's my daughter.
2355
01:40:00,243 --> 01:40:02,112
- I don't wanna listen to
anymore of these disgusting.
2356
01:40:02,112 --> 01:40:04,470
- Hey, don't you hit her like that.
2357
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:05,823
I saw you.
2358
01:40:05,823 --> 01:40:07,930
That man hit her on the
head for saying the truth.
2359
01:40:07,930 --> 01:40:10,200
- Mr. Marshall, have that man sit down.
2360
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:11,170
- See how it works.
2361
01:40:11,170 --> 01:40:12,003
Don't hit her.
2362
01:40:12,003 --> 01:40:12,880
- He did hit her.
2363
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,280
- He did hit her.
- Oh bunk.
2364
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:15,357
- I saw him hit her.
2365
01:40:15,357 --> 01:40:16,670
- Remove that woman.
2366
01:40:16,670 --> 01:40:19,170
Remove her and don't let
her return, Mr. Marshall.
2367
01:40:22,715 --> 01:40:25,980
- Abbie Hoffman walked over
to my youngest daughter,
2368
01:40:25,980 --> 01:40:28,740
put his arms around her and said,
2369
01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:30,560
your dad will be all right.
2370
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:31,866
She's never forgotten that.
2371
01:40:31,866 --> 01:40:33,116
Neither have I.
2372
01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:38,320
- Contempt by definition is
any act calculated to hinder
2373
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:42,050
or disrupt the court and the
administration of justice.
2374
01:40:42,050 --> 01:40:43,860
And to lessen the court's authority
2375
01:40:43,860 --> 01:40:45,480
knowingly and deliberately.
2376
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:48,940
- The contempt occurred
right after the jury retired.
2377
01:40:48,940 --> 01:40:53,370
- I don't think we all, you
know, really fully understood.
2378
01:40:53,370 --> 01:40:56,480
- They were at the will
and whim of the judge.
2379
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:58,247
- I find these defendants in this case
2380
01:40:58,247 --> 01:41:00,896
and the lawyers have
committed numerous acts,
2381
01:41:00,896 --> 01:41:03,930
which have convinced the total disregard
2382
01:41:03,930 --> 01:41:07,000
for the proper conduct of any trial.
2383
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,160
I will first consider the conduct
2384
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,863
of the defendant David Dellinger.
2385
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,930
Mr. Dellinger, you care to say anything?
2386
01:41:14,930 --> 01:41:17,340
Only in respect to
punishment I will hear you.
2387
01:41:17,340 --> 01:41:19,920
I don't want you to talk politics.
2388
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,040
- Well, that's why I needed to stand up
2389
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:26,670
because you tried to keep
what you call politics,
2390
01:41:26,670 --> 01:41:28,740
which means the truth
out of this courtroom.
2391
01:41:28,740 --> 01:41:30,480
- I will ask you to sit down.
2392
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:31,860
- And therefore it's necessary.
2393
01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:33,970
- I won't let you go any further.
2394
01:41:33,970 --> 01:41:36,210
- You want us to be like good Germans
2395
01:41:36,210 --> 01:41:38,630
supporting the evils of our decade.
2396
01:41:38,630 --> 01:41:40,380
Then you want us to be like good Jews
2397
01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:45,230
and go politely and quietly
into the concentration camps
2398
01:41:45,230 --> 01:41:48,810
while you and this court
suppress freedom and truth.
2399
01:41:48,810 --> 01:41:50,973
Well, I am not prepared to do that.
2400
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,000
Then you want us to stay in
our place like black people.
2401
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:55,871
- Mr. Marshall.
2402
01:41:55,871 --> 01:41:56,704
- Like poor people.
2403
01:41:56,704 --> 01:41:58,770
Like women are supposed
to stay in their place.
2404
01:41:58,770 --> 01:41:59,603
- Sit down, Mr. Dellinger.
2405
01:41:59,603 --> 01:42:01,650
- Well a new generation of Americans
2406
01:42:01,650 --> 01:42:03,450
will not support tyranny.
2407
01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:06,880
That's a travesty of justice
and I will reflect the spirit.
2408
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,040
- Take him out.
2409
01:42:09,568 --> 01:42:10,662
- You're a tyrant, Hoffman.
2410
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,038
- What are you doing to us, judge?
2411
01:42:17,038 --> 01:42:18,283
What are you doing?
2412
01:42:20,939 --> 01:42:22,106
- Heil Hitler.
2413
01:42:22,959 --> 01:42:23,897
Heil Hitler.
2414
01:42:23,897 --> 01:42:24,730
Heil.
2415
01:42:24,730 --> 01:42:25,563
You satisfied now?
2416
01:42:25,563 --> 01:42:26,883
Huh, you satisfied?
2417
01:42:28,150 --> 01:42:30,930
- You have just jailed
one of the most beautiful
2418
01:42:30,930 --> 01:42:33,723
and one of the most courageous
men in the United States.
2419
01:42:34,970 --> 01:42:38,400
- All right, now we will
talk about you, Mr. Davis.
2420
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:39,263
Care to be heard?
2421
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,433
- You may not believe this,
2422
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,823
but we came here to have a trial,
2423
01:42:53,130 --> 01:42:56,453
even though we regarded it as
unconstitutional and unjust.
2424
01:42:59,510 --> 01:43:04,510
Judge, you represent all that is old,
2425
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:09,300
ugly, bigoted, and
repressive in this country.
2426
01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:14,109
And I will tell you that the
spirit at the defense table
2427
01:43:14,109 --> 01:43:17,683
will devour you and your
sickness in the next generation.
2428
01:43:25,556 --> 01:43:26,702
- See you in jail.
2429
01:43:26,702 --> 01:43:27,687
- Whole country's in jail.
2430
01:43:27,687 --> 01:43:29,037
- See you in jail, brother.
2431
01:43:29,890 --> 01:43:31,327
- We now come to the consideration
2432
01:43:31,327 --> 01:43:33,750
of the matter of Thomas Hayden.
2433
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:34,643
Mr. Hayden.
2434
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:40,660
- The problem that I
think most people have
2435
01:43:40,660 --> 01:43:42,010
who wanna punish us is that
2436
01:43:42,010 --> 01:43:44,010
punishment does not seem to have effect.
2437
01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:47,280
Even as the Elder Dellinger is taken off,
2438
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:48,880
a younger Dellinger fights back.
2439
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,180
So your honor, before your eyes,
2440
01:43:52,180 --> 01:43:54,500
you're seeing the most vital ingredient
2441
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:56,290
of the system collapsing
2442
01:43:56,290 --> 01:43:58,430
because the system does not hold together.
2443
01:43:58,430 --> 01:44:00,050
- Oh, don't be so pessimistic.
2444
01:44:00,050 --> 01:44:02,220
Our system isn't collapsing.
2445
01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:03,790
Fellows as smart as you could do
2446
01:44:03,790 --> 01:44:05,640
awfully well under our system.
2447
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,020
I'm not trying to convert you, mind you.
2448
01:44:08,020 --> 01:44:10,370
- We don't wanna place
in your regimen, Julie,
2449
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:11,470
- I can state only one thing
2450
01:44:11,470 --> 01:44:13,610
that affected my feelings about punishment
2451
01:44:13,610 --> 01:44:16,433
and that is that I would
like to have a child.
2452
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,570
- Here's where the federal
system can do you no good.
2453
01:44:21,570 --> 01:44:23,120
- The federal system can do you no good
2454
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:25,240
in trying to prevent the
birth of a new world.
2455
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:26,090
- Right on.
2456
01:44:30,190 --> 01:44:31,850
- I will hear it from you and Mr. Hoffman
2457
01:44:31,850 --> 01:44:33,423
if you will be respectful.
2458
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:35,273
- Respectful.
2459
01:44:38,150 --> 01:44:40,650
My six year old daughter
sent me a note yesterday.
2460
01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:42,623
She said.
2461
01:44:44,610 --> 01:44:48,480
She said maybe the judge
should change his glasses
2462
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,190
because then he could really see
2463
01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:52,033
what the defendants are all about.
2464
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:56,870
When the law is in tyranny,
the only order is disrespect
2465
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:58,940
and that's what we showed.
2466
01:44:58,940 --> 01:45:02,033
And that's what all honorable
men of free will will show.
2467
01:45:06,220 --> 01:45:08,590
- I will hear Mr. Rubin.
2468
01:45:08,590 --> 01:45:09,990
- Judge Hoffman, your honor.
2469
01:45:12,492 --> 01:45:15,150
I came to this trial.
2470
01:45:15,150 --> 01:45:17,450
I wanted to be indicted.
2471
01:45:17,450 --> 01:45:18,812
To be indicted at this trial
2472
01:45:18,812 --> 01:45:22,253
is like winning the
Academy Award of protest.
2473
01:45:24,290 --> 01:45:28,000
You have said to us respect or else
2474
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,560
without any moral
argument, and frankly sir,
2475
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,930
I think that you have shown
more disrespect towards us
2476
01:45:33,930 --> 01:45:36,520
than we could have ever been shown to you.
2477
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,690
We're going to jail with
smiles on our faces.
2478
01:45:38,690 --> 01:45:41,520
There are millions of kids who love us,
2479
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,783
who identify with us, who are
going to fight to free us.
2480
01:45:46,290 --> 01:45:48,573
And that, sir, that is the revolution.
2481
01:45:52,980 --> 01:45:56,000
- Mr. Weiner, if you'll
confine your remarks
2482
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,140
to punishment I will hear you.
2483
01:45:59,140 --> 01:45:59,973
- Sure.
2484
01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:03,013
Okay.
2485
01:46:09,090 --> 01:46:13,540
Throughout this trial,
I've sat in a quiet rage
2486
01:46:14,700 --> 01:46:17,670
as I've seen over and over again,
2487
01:46:17,670 --> 01:46:22,173
the best men of our country
belittled and attacked.
2488
01:46:22,173 --> 01:46:25,130
Now I understand that
because you are what you are,
2489
01:46:25,130 --> 01:46:26,880
I can't personally condemn you.
2490
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,970
- I admonish you, sir.
2491
01:46:28,970 --> 01:46:31,550
I am supposed to be especially tolerant
2492
01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:33,410
because I was a member of
a faculty of the school
2493
01:46:33,410 --> 01:46:35,954
that you are or were a teacher.
2494
01:46:35,954 --> 01:46:37,810
- Yes, I even understand
that there's a plaque
2495
01:46:37,810 --> 01:46:39,660
naming an auditorium after you.
2496
01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:41,830
- Oh, you're nice to tell
the assembled spectators.
2497
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:42,863
- I'm pleased to report to you
2498
01:46:42,863 --> 01:46:45,490
that the plaque has been
ripped off the wall.
2499
01:46:45,490 --> 01:46:46,726
- The plaque?
2500
01:46:46,726 --> 01:46:49,700
- Apparently while the board of trustees
2501
01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:52,923
feels affection for you,
the student body does not.
2502
01:46:56,750 --> 01:46:59,493
- Now we come to the
consideration of John Froines.
2503
01:47:04,949 --> 01:47:06,249
- When history is written,
2504
01:47:07,670 --> 01:47:10,343
the men who sat at this
table, our table here,
2505
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:13,723
that's the heroes.
2506
01:47:18,890 --> 01:47:20,740
- This matter now involves the conduct
2507
01:47:20,740 --> 01:47:22,113
of Mr. William Kunstler.
2508
01:47:23,420 --> 01:47:25,213
You wish to be heard Mr. Kunstler?
2509
01:47:30,883 --> 01:47:35,883
- I've tried with all my heart faithfully
2510
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:39,730
to represent my clients in the face
2511
01:47:39,730 --> 01:47:42,027
of what I consider repressive
2512
01:47:42,027 --> 01:47:44,460
and unjust conduct toward them.
2513
01:47:44,460 --> 01:47:47,840
If I have to pay with my
liberty, for such repression,
2514
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:52,623
then that is the price of my
beliefs and sensibilities.
2515
01:47:55,170 --> 01:48:00,170
I can only hope that my fate
does not deter other lawyers
2516
01:48:00,947 --> 01:48:03,583
in the difficult days that lie ahead,
2517
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,500
who will be asked to defend clients
2518
01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:11,570
against a steadily increasing
governmental encroachment
2519
01:48:12,570 --> 01:48:15,923
upon their most fundamental liberties.
2520
01:48:23,420 --> 01:48:25,030
- Mr. Weinglass.
2521
01:48:31,175 --> 01:48:35,110
- What the court has chosen
to label as direct contempt,
2522
01:48:35,110 --> 01:48:37,590
I cite as nothing more than
the argument of counsel
2523
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:39,360
in the heat of battle.
2524
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,883
And I think you do a
disservice to the profession.
2525
01:48:43,420 --> 01:48:47,858
I face punishment,
whatever punishment means,
2526
01:48:47,858 --> 01:48:51,890
but I welcome joining the
defendants and Bill Kunstler
2527
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:54,787
in what has been for me the warmest
2528
01:48:54,787 --> 01:48:57,393
and richest association of my life.
2529
01:49:11,190 --> 01:49:12,700
- Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
2530
01:49:12,700 --> 01:49:15,083
I am informed you have reached a verdict.
2531
01:49:16,952 --> 01:49:20,660
I direct the clerk to read the verdict.
2532
01:49:20,660 --> 01:49:22,940
- We, the jury, find the
defendants Lee Wiener
2533
01:49:22,940 --> 01:49:25,910
and John Froines not guilty as charged.
2534
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:28,200
We, the jury find the
defendants David Dellinger,
2535
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:31,490
Renard Davis, Thomas
Hayden, Abbott Hoffman,
2536
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:35,060
and Jerry Rubin not guilty of conspiring,
2537
01:49:35,060 --> 01:49:37,750
but guilty of intending to organize,
2538
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:40,753
promote, and incite to riot.
2539
01:49:43,330 --> 01:49:46,263
- I now proceed with the
imposition of sentence.
2540
01:49:47,598 --> 01:49:50,253
I will hear for your
clients, Mr. Kunstler.
2541
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,621
- The defendants will
speak with themselves.
2542
01:49:54,621 --> 01:49:56,210
- All right.
2543
01:49:56,210 --> 01:50:00,323
Mr. Dellinger, you have a right
to speak in your own behalf.
2544
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:06,910
- First, I would like to say
2545
01:50:06,910 --> 01:50:10,350
that I feel that every
judge should be required
2546
01:50:10,350 --> 01:50:13,941
to spend some time in prison
before sentencing other people
2547
01:50:13,941 --> 01:50:15,690
in order that he might become aware
2548
01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:18,310
of the degrading anti-human conditions
2549
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:19,823
that persist in our prisons.
2550
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,193
I feel more compassion for
you, sir, than I do hostility.
2551
01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:27,850
I believe that you're a man
who's had too much power
2552
01:50:27,850 --> 01:50:30,053
over too many people for too many years.
2553
01:50:31,810 --> 01:50:34,670
What happens to us here,
however unjustified,
2554
01:50:34,670 --> 01:50:36,500
is very slight compared to
2555
01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:39,474
what has already happened
to the Vietnamese people,
2556
01:50:39,474 --> 01:50:42,760
to the black people in this
country and to the criminals,
2557
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,783
with whom we're now spending our days.
2558
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,660
Finally, there's something ambivalent
2559
01:50:50,660 --> 01:50:52,440
in my attitude towards you
2560
01:50:52,440 --> 01:50:56,740
because I think one can
see something spunky in you
2561
01:50:56,740 --> 01:51:00,360
that one has to admire however misguided
2562
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,253
or intolerant I believe that you are.
2563
01:51:04,420 --> 01:51:07,430
- Mr. Davis, would you like
to speak in your own behalf?
2564
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:08,653
You have that right.
2565
01:51:10,510 --> 01:51:12,570
- When I come out of prison,
2566
01:51:12,570 --> 01:51:14,820
it's gonna be to move
next door to Tom Foran.
2567
01:51:15,703 --> 01:51:18,103
I'm gonna be the boy
next door to Tom Foran.
2568
01:51:19,524 --> 01:51:22,442
The boy next door that
could have been a judge.
2569
01:51:22,442 --> 01:51:24,042
He could have been a prosecutor.
2570
01:51:25,056 --> 01:51:27,260
I'm gonna be the boy next door
2571
01:51:27,260 --> 01:51:29,460
that organizes his kids
into the revolution.
2572
01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:31,220
- Mr. Hayden.
2573
01:51:36,450 --> 01:51:39,453
- If you didn't wanna make
us martyrs, why'd you do it?
2574
01:51:41,090 --> 01:51:42,650
We can hardly be notorious characters
2575
01:51:42,650 --> 01:51:44,920
if they'd left us alone
in the streets of Chicago,
2576
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:48,823
but instead we became the
masterminds of a conspiracy,
2577
01:51:49,930 --> 01:51:52,330
chosen by the government
to serve as scapegoats.
2578
01:51:53,384 --> 01:51:56,090
You know that by doing this,
2579
01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:58,690
it speeds up the end for
the people who do it to us.
2580
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,563
We had no choice in Chicago.
2581
01:52:03,530 --> 01:52:05,080
We had no choice in this trial.
2582
01:52:08,190 --> 01:52:09,253
- Mr. Hoffman.
2583
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,213
- Mr. Foran says that we're un-American.
2584
01:52:15,250 --> 01:52:16,460
I don't feel un-American.
2585
01:52:16,460 --> 01:52:18,700
I feel very American.
2586
01:52:18,700 --> 01:52:19,910
I know those guys up on the wall.
2587
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:22,150
I know them better than you I feel.
2588
01:52:22,150 --> 01:52:23,300
I know Adams.
2589
01:52:23,300 --> 01:52:24,240
I know all the Adams.
2590
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,680
They grew up 20 miles from
my home in Massachusetts.
2591
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:29,120
Thomas Jefferson.
2592
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:32,150
Thomas Jefferson called for
a revolution every 10 years.
2593
01:52:32,150 --> 01:52:34,470
Thomas Jefferson had an
agrarian reform program
2594
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:36,820
that would make Mao Zedong
look like a liberal.
2595
01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:39,493
George Washington.
2596
01:52:40,330 --> 01:52:42,150
George Washington grew pot.
2597
01:52:42,150 --> 01:52:43,450
Wait, he called it hemp.
2598
01:52:43,450 --> 01:52:46,383
But he was probably a pothead.
2599
01:52:47,950 --> 01:52:49,020
Abraham Lincoln.
2600
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:52,040
Abraham Lincoln said in his
inaugural address of 1861.
2601
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:52,873
He said.
2602
01:52:54,100 --> 01:52:56,030
When the people should grow weary
2603
01:52:56,030 --> 01:52:59,690
of their constitutional right
to amend the government,
2604
01:52:59,690 --> 01:53:02,490
they shall exert the
revolutionary right to dismember
2605
01:53:02,490 --> 01:53:03,950
and overthrow that government.
2606
01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:05,890
Now come on, Julie.
2607
01:53:05,890 --> 01:53:07,640
If he had made that
speech in Lincoln Park,
2608
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:10,240
he'd be standing in this
courtroom on trial right now
2609
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:13,495
because that speech is
intended to incite a riot.
2610
01:53:13,495 --> 01:53:15,842
I don't know what a riot is.
2611
01:53:15,842 --> 01:53:18,760
I thought a riot meant having fun.
2612
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,960
You know, like means
when you laugh.
2613
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:21,793
That's a riot.
2614
01:53:28,964 --> 01:53:31,547
I'll see you in Florida, Julie.
2615
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:33,423
- Mr. Rubin.
2616
01:53:37,290 --> 01:53:39,600
- You're sentencing us
for being ourselves.
2617
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,110
That's the crime.
2618
01:53:41,110 --> 01:53:43,790
Julius, you've radicalized
more young people
2619
01:53:43,790 --> 01:53:44,623
than we ever could have.
2620
01:53:44,623 --> 01:53:47,223
This is the happiest day of my life.
2621
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:55,599
- Mr. Clerk, the defendants
will be committed
2622
01:53:55,599 --> 01:54:00,220
to the attorney general for
imprisonment for five years.
2623
01:54:00,220 --> 01:54:04,717
Will be fined the sum of
$5,000 in cost of prosecution.
2624
01:54:04,717 --> 01:54:06,420
- $5,000, judge?
2625
01:54:06,420 --> 01:54:07,850
Could you make that 350?
2626
01:54:07,850 --> 01:54:09,860
- Court finds that the defendants
2627
01:54:09,860 --> 01:54:13,303
are clearly dangerous
persons to be at large.
2628
01:54:14,170 --> 01:54:18,037
Therefore the commitments
will be without bail.
2629
01:54:31,130 --> 01:54:31,963
- Wait a minute.
2630
01:54:31,963 --> 01:54:33,560
A riot.
2631
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:36,350
- Every one of those
defendants was willing
2632
01:54:36,350 --> 01:54:40,030
to go to jail for 10 years,
which was what we faced.
2633
01:54:40,030 --> 01:54:43,630
- I think my fear was
that we'd never get out.
2634
01:54:43,630 --> 01:54:44,950
- Although we did know
2635
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:47,160
that history only remembers the guilty.
2636
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:48,110
It doesn't remember the not guilty.
2637
01:54:48,110 --> 01:54:49,900
- As a matter of fact,
2638
01:54:49,900 --> 01:54:52,350
the seventh circuit court of
appeals reversed the case.
2639
01:54:52,350 --> 01:54:55,805
- He found that the, any of
our actions were provoked
2640
01:54:55,805 --> 01:54:58,660
by the actions of the
judge and the prosecutors.
2641
01:54:58,660 --> 01:55:01,049
- It put justice itself, really,
2642
01:55:01,049 --> 01:55:04,780
in the history of the United
States of America on trial.
2643
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:07,976
♪ So your brothers bound and gagged ♪
2644
01:55:07,976 --> 01:55:10,829
♪ And they've chained him to a chair ♪
2645
01:55:10,829 --> 01:55:13,470
♪ Won't you please come to Chicago ♪
2646
01:55:13,470 --> 01:55:15,720
- The significance of the trial
is that it showed, I think,
2647
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:19,630
for the first time how
ingenious defendants
2648
01:55:19,630 --> 01:55:23,340
can use the courtroom to
get their point across
2649
01:55:23,340 --> 01:55:26,120
and not to be afraid of authority.
2650
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:27,060
- It's lonely out there.
2651
01:55:27,060 --> 01:55:29,250
It's lonely when you stand on the corner
2652
01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:31,720
and say the emperor's got no clothes.
2653
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:33,020
There's a whole bunch of people
2654
01:55:33,020 --> 01:55:34,780
that wanna come along and say,
2655
01:55:34,780 --> 01:55:36,520
there's an easier way to do this.
2656
01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:38,710
- I got married.
2657
01:55:38,710 --> 01:55:41,420
I have two kids, three dogs.
2658
01:55:41,420 --> 01:55:42,943
Seat in the state legislature.
2659
01:55:45,010 --> 01:55:46,870
And I still miss the old days.
2660
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:49,600
- The sense that you can
be young your whole life
2661
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,900
is happens to be a true statement
2662
01:55:51,900 --> 01:55:54,110
and I think along the way we lost touch
2663
01:55:54,110 --> 01:55:57,320
with some of those values and perhaps,
2664
01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:02,310
perhaps it's not too late to
find the best of that time.
2665
01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:04,750
- I think one has to be
an activist for justice
2666
01:56:04,750 --> 01:56:08,950
if when it believes in peace
that you can't get rid of war
2667
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:13,210
without getting rid of the causes of war.
2668
01:56:13,210 --> 01:56:16,770
- I would hope my children
do their political work
2669
01:56:16,770 --> 01:56:18,850
even better than I did mine.
2670
01:56:18,850 --> 01:56:19,900
And I'm doing mine now.
2671
01:56:19,900 --> 01:56:24,400
- It was a very good time in which to live
2672
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:27,910
because you really felt that
you were living for something
2673
01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:29,660
that was very meaningful and very real.
2674
01:56:29,660 --> 01:56:31,290
And I still feel the same way.
2675
01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:35,230
- I would describe myself
now as a entrepreneur,
2676
01:56:35,230 --> 01:56:37,580
as a business person,
2677
01:56:37,580 --> 01:56:42,100
as someone who's as confused politically
2678
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:44,273
as I was certainly in the 60s.
2679
01:56:44,273 --> 01:56:48,890
- I'll be a barbecuing, muscle bound, PhD,
2680
01:56:48,890 --> 01:56:51,940
political scientist whose
published several books,
2681
01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:53,980
still rapping to brothers and sisters
2682
01:56:53,980 --> 01:56:56,993
being energetic about myself
as a good human being,
2683
01:56:56,993 --> 01:57:00,210
trying to live as long as WB Dubois did.
2684
01:57:00,210 --> 01:57:04,370
- The notion that dedication to principle
2685
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:11,700
is the basis upon which
a life should be built
2686
01:57:12,850 --> 01:57:15,320
and that these eight people
2687
01:57:16,460 --> 01:57:18,710
for a particular period of time did that
2688
01:57:20,197 --> 01:57:22,743
and fought hard, took risks,
2689
01:57:23,620 --> 01:57:27,073
and were ultimately
vindicated as being right.
2690
01:57:27,073 --> 01:57:28,332
♪ Freedom ♪
2691
01:57:28,332 --> 01:57:29,174
♪ It's time ♪
2692
01:57:29,174 --> 01:57:30,737
♪ Let them that it's all right ♪
2693
01:57:30,737 --> 01:57:31,930
♪ It's time ♪
2694
01:57:31,930 --> 01:57:34,877
♪ Who's the regulator who needs them ♪
2695
01:57:34,877 --> 01:57:37,143
♪ Ooh ooh ♪
2696
01:57:37,143 --> 01:57:40,060
♪ Open up the door ♪205369
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