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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 4 00:00:54,038 --> 00:00:58,476 ♪ There's something happening here ♪ 5 00:00:58,476 --> 00:01:03,174 ♪ What it is ain't exactly clear ♪ 6 00:01:03,174 --> 00:01:07,948 ♪ There's a man with a gun over there ♪ 7 00:01:07,948 --> 00:01:11,250 ♪ Telling me I got to beware ♪ 8 00:01:11,250 --> 00:01:12,886 - This is an unlawful assembly. 9 00:01:12,886 --> 00:01:15,556 You must disperse immediately. 10 00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:32,652 ♪ There's battle lines being drawn ♪ 11 00:01:32,652 --> 00:01:37,518 ♪ Nobody's right if everybody's wrong ♪ 12 00:01:37,518 --> 00:01:42,225 ♪ Young people speaking their minds ♪ 13 00:01:42,225 --> 00:01:47,225 ♪ Getting so much resistance from behind ♪ 14 00:01:47,398 --> 00:01:50,203 ♪ It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound ♪ 15 00:01:50,203 --> 00:01:52,870 Everybody look what's going down 16 00:01:56,348 --> 00:01:57,530 - All rise. 17 00:01:57,530 --> 00:02:00,650 United States district court for the northern district 18 00:02:00,650 --> 00:02:03,200 of Illinois now is in session. 19 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,600 The honorable Judge Julius J. Hoffman presiding. 20 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:10,700 - Ladies and gentleman of the jury, good morning. 21 00:02:10,700 --> 00:02:15,340 - 69 CR 180, the United States of America 22 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:19,999 versus David Dellinger, et al for trial. 23 00:02:19,999 --> 00:02:24,940 - Your mayor proud to welcome a great political gathering 24 00:02:24,940 --> 00:02:26,980 of Americans will come here 25 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:29,250 to shape the future of the nation 26 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:31,550 and as long as I'm mayor of this town, 27 00:02:31,550 --> 00:02:33,867 there will be law and order in Chicago. 28 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:39,040 - Mr. Schultz representing the government. 29 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,440 - The government, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 30 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,050 will prove in this case an overall plan 31 00:02:46,050 --> 00:02:49,210 of the eight defendants to encourage numerous people 32 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:51,580 to come to the city of Chicago 33 00:02:51,580 --> 00:02:53,670 during the Democratic National Convention, 34 00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:58,670 which was held from August 26th through August 29th, 1968. 35 00:02:58,980 --> 00:03:01,960 They planned to bring these people into Chicago 36 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,043 to create a situation where these people would riot. 37 00:03:06,730 --> 00:03:09,410 The government will prove that David Dellinger. 38 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:12,760 - Well, I was described as an antiwar activist 39 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,760 or a pacifist leader and today I'm called a peace activist, 40 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,680 but I don't like any of those terms 41 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,743 because I think you can't have peace without justice. 42 00:03:23,710 --> 00:03:25,260 - The defendant Renard Davis. 43 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:28,770 - I came out of a very conservative family 44 00:03:28,770 --> 00:03:32,430 that very much believed in American values. 45 00:03:32,430 --> 00:03:36,120 I would say I was a full time activist, you know, 46 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,050 with a passion to end the war in Vietnam. 47 00:03:39,050 --> 00:03:41,063 - Next to him, Thomas Hayden. 48 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:45,450 Who is standing. 49 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:47,940 - Who is the last defendant you named? 50 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:48,773 - Mr. Hayden. 51 00:03:48,773 --> 00:03:51,530 - The one that shook his fist in the direction of the jury? 52 00:03:51,530 --> 00:03:53,310 - That's my customary greeting, your honor. 53 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:55,460 - It may be your customary greeting, 54 00:03:55,460 --> 00:03:58,970 but we do not allow shaking your fist in this courtroom. 55 00:03:58,970 --> 00:04:00,940 - It implied no disrespect to the jury. 56 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:02,360 It is my customary greeting. 57 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,550 - Irregardless of what it implies, sir, 58 00:04:04,550 --> 00:04:07,756 there will be no fist shaking 59 00:04:07,756 --> 00:04:09,720 and I caution you not to repeat it. 60 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,720 - I began as a innocent enough idealistic reformer, 61 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:18,400 a student editor, a person that believed in civil rights. 62 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,110 I had been a founder and an early president 63 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:23,908 of students for democratic society. 64 00:04:23,908 --> 00:04:24,910 - May I proceed, your honor? 65 00:04:24,910 --> 00:04:26,833 - Yes, Mr. Schultz, yes. 66 00:04:26,833 --> 00:04:29,480 - And promoting and encouraging this riot, 67 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,520 the defendants Dellinger, Davis and Hayden 68 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,930 joined with five other defendants 69 00:04:34,930 --> 00:04:38,423 to create the riots in Chicago during the convention. 70 00:04:39,550 --> 00:04:41,923 The defendant Abbott Hoffman. 71 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,790 - The jury is directed to disregard the kiss thrown 72 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:51,680 by the defendant Hoffman and the defendant is directed 73 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,470 not to do that sort of thing again. 74 00:04:53,470 --> 00:04:56,940 - But here we were growing up in the late 50s 75 00:04:56,940 --> 00:04:59,880 with the whole idea of material success. 76 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,970 The designer brain mentality. 77 00:05:01,970 --> 00:05:04,500 We could have credit cards if we wanted. 78 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:06,504 We could have good paying jobs. 79 00:05:06,504 --> 00:05:09,430 We didn't have to worry about keeping up with Mr. Jones 80 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:11,393 'cause we were Mr. Jones. 81 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,410 And we said no to that primetime culture. 82 00:05:16,410 --> 00:05:17,870 We just said chuck it. 83 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:19,590 We just said it's boring. 84 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:21,790 It's spiritually unrewarding. 85 00:05:21,790 --> 00:05:26,390 And it's unjust for people too poor to participate in. 86 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:28,230 Now they couldn't understand that at all. 87 00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:31,877 - And with him, a man named Jerry Rubin. 88 00:05:31,877 --> 00:05:34,240 - I was writing books at the time. 89 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,310 I was a political activist. 90 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:40,740 My job full time was inspiring young people 91 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:43,340 to think for themselves, to resist authority, 92 00:05:43,340 --> 00:05:45,520 and to create a new social order in the United States. 93 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,910 That's how I saw myself. 94 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:50,890 - These men call themselves leaders of the yippie. 95 00:05:50,890 --> 00:05:54,070 Two more of these individuals are Lee Wiener. 96 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:54,940 - Wiener. 97 00:05:54,940 --> 00:05:56,520 - I had a master's degree in sociology 98 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,440 and I was just about finished 99 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,490 with my doctorate in sociology. 100 00:05:59,490 --> 00:06:01,850 Being nothing more than a nice middle class Jewish boy 101 00:06:01,850 --> 00:06:05,570 doing what his parents grew him up to be, 102 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:06,667 which is speaking for himself 103 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:09,450 and for helping other people secure their rights. 104 00:06:09,450 --> 00:06:11,350 - And John Froines. 105 00:06:11,350 --> 00:06:13,250 - I was an assistant professor of chemistry 106 00:06:13,250 --> 00:06:14,500 at the University of Oregon. 107 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:16,910 At the same time, I was a political activist. 108 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:17,850 A social activist. 109 00:06:17,850 --> 00:06:20,240 - And the eighth person, the last person who joined 110 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,960 is a man named Bobby Seale. 111 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,110 - Huey P. Newton and I created 112 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:27,370 and founded an organization called the Black Panther party. 113 00:06:27,370 --> 00:06:30,140 We talking about full employment for our people. 114 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:31,420 The power to determine our own destiny 115 00:06:31,420 --> 00:06:32,720 in our own black community. 116 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,670 - The government will prove the defendants Dellinger, 117 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:36,820 Davis, Hayden, Hoffman, Rubin 118 00:06:36,820 --> 00:06:40,580 and Seale traveled across state lines through Chicago 119 00:06:40,580 --> 00:06:45,580 with intent to organize, to insight, and to promote a riot. 120 00:06:45,740 --> 00:06:48,400 And the government will prove the defendant Froines 121 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,840 and Weiner taught and demonstrated to other people, 122 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:54,190 the use and making of incendiary devices 123 00:06:54,190 --> 00:06:56,453 to be used to further this disorder. 124 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,460 The government will prove each 125 00:07:00,460 --> 00:07:02,740 of these defendants guilty as charged. 126 00:07:02,740 --> 00:07:04,090 Thank you. 127 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:08,843 - Voices of angry protest are heard throughout the land, 128 00:07:10,010 --> 00:07:12,830 crying for all manner of freedoms. 129 00:07:12,830 --> 00:07:13,890 - Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 130 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:15,642 my name is William Kunstler. 131 00:07:15,642 --> 00:07:17,990 I'm an attorney from the city of New York 132 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:20,090 and I'm one of the attorneys on this case. 133 00:07:22,290 --> 00:07:26,810 We hope to prove before you that this prosecution, 134 00:07:26,810 --> 00:07:29,530 which you are hearing is the result of two motives 135 00:07:29,530 --> 00:07:30,600 on the part of the government. 136 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,433 - Objection. 137 00:07:31,433 --> 00:07:34,780 Is there any motives of prosecution of the court? 138 00:07:34,780 --> 00:07:37,120 - Your honor, it is a proper defense to show motive. 139 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,290 - I sustain the objection. 140 00:07:38,290 --> 00:07:40,500 You may speak to the guilt or innocent to your clients, 141 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:42,046 not to the motive of the government. 142 00:07:42,046 --> 00:07:43,820 - Your honor, I always thought that to show motive-- 143 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:45,920 - I sustained the objection 144 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,670 regardless of what you've always thought, Mr. Kunstler. 145 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,330 - The evidence will show that the defendants, 146 00:07:53,330 --> 00:07:55,450 like many other citizens of the United States, 147 00:07:55,450 --> 00:07:59,830 came to protest in the finest American tradition. 148 00:07:59,830 --> 00:08:03,070 They came to Chicago to protest the continuation 149 00:08:03,070 --> 00:08:06,630 of this bloody and unjustified war. 150 00:08:06,630 --> 00:08:09,520 The evidence will show that there were forces in this city 151 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,020 and in the national government 152 00:08:12,020 --> 00:08:16,260 who are absolutely determined to prevent this protest. 153 00:08:16,260 --> 00:08:18,250 What actually happened in the streets of Chicago, 154 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:21,210 not a riot caused by demonstrators, 155 00:08:21,210 --> 00:08:25,743 but a riot engineered by the police. 156 00:08:27,020 --> 00:08:32,020 Before you is a classic example 157 00:08:32,990 --> 00:08:36,980 of government against people 158 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:40,563 of their rights violated by Billy clubs. 159 00:08:42,010 --> 00:08:44,610 We will demonstrate that free speech 160 00:08:44,610 --> 00:08:47,570 died here in the streets under those clubs 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,780 and at the bodies of the demonstrators 162 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:53,460 was sacrifices to its death. 163 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:54,680 - Objection, your honor. 164 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:56,670 - I sustain the objection. 165 00:08:56,670 --> 00:08:59,270 I direct the jury to disregard the last statement 166 00:08:59,270 --> 00:09:00,820 of the counsel for the defense. 167 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,513 - Thank you ladies and gentlemen. 168 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,228 - Is there any other defense lawyer 169 00:09:09,228 --> 00:09:11,800 who wishes to make an opening statement? 170 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,063 I take it that you're standing there means yes you do, Mr. 171 00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:18,570 Mr. Weinglass. 172 00:09:18,570 --> 00:09:19,403 - Yes, your honor. 173 00:09:19,403 --> 00:09:20,236 That is correct. 174 00:09:23,060 --> 00:09:24,160 If your honor, please. 175 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:28,913 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 176 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,290 Mr. Kunstler indicated that persons who came to Chicago 177 00:09:34,290 --> 00:09:37,220 felt a moral anguish at what they considered 178 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:39,883 to be wrongful conduct of this country. 179 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:44,010 It was another group of people who came to Chicago, 180 00:09:44,010 --> 00:09:46,690 not for the purpose of protesting, 181 00:09:46,690 --> 00:09:48,640 but for the purpose of showing the public 182 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,630 and the leaders and the rulers of this country 183 00:09:51,630 --> 00:09:54,003 that there was emerging a new culture. 184 00:09:54,910 --> 00:09:58,220 This group generally called Yippies came here 185 00:09:58,220 --> 00:10:01,403 for a conclave to be known as the festival of life. 186 00:10:02,403 --> 00:10:05,650 They had invited a number of rock bands 187 00:10:05,650 --> 00:10:07,293 relevant to the youth culture. 188 00:10:08,890 --> 00:10:11,520 I do not ask you to accept or like, 189 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,660 or agree with any of the speeches, 190 00:10:13,660 --> 00:10:15,450 which my clients might've given. 191 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:16,300 - Your honor, I object. 192 00:10:16,300 --> 00:10:17,430 Counsel argues the case. 193 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:18,970 It is improper. 194 00:10:18,970 --> 00:10:20,270 - I sustain the objection. 195 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:24,030 - So I ask you to keep an open mind 196 00:10:24,030 --> 00:10:26,860 and to await before making your judgment. 197 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:27,693 Thank you. 198 00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:30,380 - Does any other defense lawyer wish 199 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:31,830 to make an opening statement? 200 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,070 Just a minute, sir. 201 00:10:35,070 --> 00:10:36,790 Who is your lawyer? 202 00:10:36,790 --> 00:10:38,680 - Charles. R. Gary. 203 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,800 - Bobby Seale was in jail pending a murder trial 204 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,270 in Connecticut where he was supposed to be a defendant 205 00:10:45,270 --> 00:10:46,890 and which later exonerated him. 206 00:10:46,890 --> 00:10:49,860 - Now, Bobby's lawyer is Charles Gary 207 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:53,197 and Charles was having a medical operation at the time. 208 00:10:53,197 --> 00:10:54,630 - The man had been cut open. 209 00:10:54,630 --> 00:10:55,940 I mean, how's he gonna come to trial? 210 00:10:55,940 --> 00:10:57,540 All we needed was a little postponement. 211 00:10:57,540 --> 00:10:58,373 You know what I mean? 212 00:10:58,373 --> 00:11:00,440 Like two, three, four weeks and something like that. 213 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,670 Judge wasn't gonna do that. 214 00:11:01,670 --> 00:11:02,770 Later for that. 215 00:11:02,770 --> 00:11:05,780 - Mr. Kunstler, do you represent Mr. Seale? 216 00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:06,760 - No, your honor. 217 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,610 As far as Mr. Seale has indicated to me 218 00:11:08,610 --> 00:11:10,780 that because of the absence of Charles R. Gary-- 219 00:11:10,780 --> 00:11:13,280 - Have you filed his appearance? 220 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,260 - I have filed an appearance for Mr. Seale, yes. 221 00:11:16,260 --> 00:11:17,093 - All right. 222 00:11:18,090 --> 00:11:20,430 I will permit you to make another opening statement 223 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:21,970 on behalf of Mr. Seale if you like. 224 00:11:21,970 --> 00:11:23,620 I will not permit a party in the case to-- 225 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:27,190 - Your honor, I cannot compromise Mr. Seale's position. 226 00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:29,120 - I don't ask you to compromise it, sir, 227 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,640 but I will not permit him to address the jury 228 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,973 with his very competent lawyers standing there. 229 00:11:48,681 --> 00:11:53,449 - At a meeting on August 8th, 1968, who said what? 230 00:11:53,449 --> 00:11:55,990 - Mr. Hoffman said he wanted the mayor 231 00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:58,600 to grant a permit for use of Lincoln Park. 232 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,000 They wanted to use the park to sleep in. 233 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,700 I said that the mayor had no authority 234 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:04,070 over the park district. 235 00:12:04,070 --> 00:12:08,693 - Now calling your attention to August 21st, 1968. 236 00:12:09,890 --> 00:12:12,500 What brought you to the courtroom of Judge William Lynch? 237 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:14,100 - There was a lawsuit filed 238 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:15,840 by the national mobilization committee 239 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,400 to end the war and by Mr. Rennie Davis, 240 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,450 Tom Hayden and others against the city of Chicago. 241 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,250 I said that the city was predisposed 242 00:12:24,250 --> 00:12:25,910 to issue a permit for a march 243 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:30,010 if Mr. Davis was willing to accept a reasonable proposal. 244 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:31,680 - What happened then? 245 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,640 - Well, Mr. Davis said that he wanted to meet 246 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,230 with an eyesight of the amphitheater. 247 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:38,250 I pointed out no one was permitted in that area 248 00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:41,144 because of security precautions for the convention. 249 00:12:41,144 --> 00:12:44,280 He said if the city wants to avoid violence, 250 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,640 you should take all the police 251 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,740 and guardsmen away from the amphitheater. 252 00:12:47,740 --> 00:12:49,050 That it was his experience 253 00:12:49,050 --> 00:12:51,920 that the police actually caused violence. 254 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,120 He also said that his members 255 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,740 couldn't really be housed in hotel accommodations. 256 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:58,130 That many of them didn't have money. 257 00:12:58,130 --> 00:13:00,970 He said that if the city doesn't give us the park, 258 00:13:00,970 --> 00:13:02,840 there will be tens of thousands of people 259 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,890 without a place to stay and they will go into the parks 260 00:13:05,890 --> 00:13:07,960 and the police will drive them out 261 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,433 and there'll be disorder, tear gas, mace, Billy clubs. 262 00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:14,710 - With respect to the law, 263 00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:17,890 which does not permit staying in the park beyond 11, 264 00:13:17,890 --> 00:13:20,710 was that requirement waived for the Boy Scouts? 265 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:22,450 - Apparently, yes. 266 00:13:22,450 --> 00:13:23,970 - But don't you think it would have been wiser 267 00:13:23,970 --> 00:13:25,670 to let the kids sleep in the park? 268 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,900 - I was told by Abbie Hoffman that during the convention 269 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:34,930 there would be 500,000 young people 270 00:13:34,930 --> 00:13:37,180 attending the festival of life. 271 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:39,250 Mr. Rubin said, they'd be holding classes 272 00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:41,193 in defense against the police. 273 00:13:42,140 --> 00:13:45,520 Abbie Hoffman said he was prepared to tear up our town 274 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,131 and that if we were smart, we the city, 275 00:13:48,131 --> 00:13:51,520 we would give them $100,000. 276 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,862 Or better still give him 100,000 and he would leave town. 277 00:13:54,862 --> 00:13:56,250 - I said 200,000. 278 00:13:56,250 --> 00:13:58,620 - This festival would include, he said, 279 00:13:58,620 --> 00:14:03,620 body painting, nude ins at the beaches, public fornication, 280 00:14:04,860 --> 00:14:07,720 discussion of the draft, and draft invasion. 281 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,910 - Your honor, at this time I would like 282 00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:11,210 to offer evidence with respect 283 00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:13,460 to the defendant Dellinger only. 284 00:14:13,460 --> 00:14:15,200 - Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 285 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,640 the testimony the witness is about to give 286 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,560 is offered only with respect to the defendant Derringer. 287 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,269 - I think your honor means Dellinger. 288 00:14:24,269 --> 00:14:25,510 - Dellinger. 289 00:14:25,510 --> 00:14:26,343 That's right. 290 00:14:26,343 --> 00:14:27,754 - Mr. Dellinger said we must issue-- 291 00:14:27,754 --> 00:14:30,510 - I'm going to get back to you, Mr. witness. 292 00:14:30,510 --> 00:14:33,220 I mispronounced the defendant's name. 293 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:35,210 You said Dillinger. 294 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:36,730 It's Derringer. 295 00:14:36,730 --> 00:14:38,160 We were both wrong. 296 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,910 You mean Mr. Derringer, do you not? 297 00:14:41,944 --> 00:14:42,944 - Dellinger. 298 00:14:44,658 --> 00:14:45,491 Dellinger. 299 00:14:46,890 --> 00:14:50,160 - Said that it was necessary that we issue a permit 300 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,240 for sleeping in Lincoln Park 301 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,890 in order to minimize destruction. 302 00:14:55,890 --> 00:14:57,730 - Now, if my understanding is correct, 303 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:00,530 all your meetings with Jerry and Abbie 304 00:15:00,530 --> 00:15:02,210 took place in city hall. 305 00:15:02,210 --> 00:15:04,903 - Your honor, I object to the reference to these two little. 306 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:08,000 To Abbie and Jerry. 307 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Let's call the defendants by their proper names. 308 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,253 - I agree. 309 00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:14,440 - Now you testified in your meeting 310 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,440 with Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman some mention of $100,000. 311 00:15:19,950 --> 00:15:20,950 Is that correct? 312 00:15:20,950 --> 00:15:22,110 - Yes, that is correct. 313 00:15:22,110 --> 00:15:24,830 - Did you take that discussion seriously? 314 00:15:24,830 --> 00:15:26,433 - Yes, I most certainly did. 315 00:15:28,298 --> 00:15:31,450 - Now in your meeting with Rennie and Tom. 316 00:15:31,450 --> 00:15:33,690 - Oh your honor, here we go again. 317 00:15:33,690 --> 00:15:35,970 Another 29 year old being Rennie baby. 318 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:36,803 - I object to that, your honor. 319 00:15:36,803 --> 00:15:38,220 Would you direct the jury 320 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:40,650 to disregard the Rennie baby remark? 321 00:15:40,650 --> 00:15:41,975 It's unfounded. 322 00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:45,870 - If the United States attorney said that I certainly do. 323 00:15:45,870 --> 00:15:48,040 Crowd the baby out of your minds. 324 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,440 We're not dealing with babies here. 325 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,810 - My mother, who's a Republican, now 75 year old woman 326 00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:57,245 sent me a five pound box of jellybeans. 327 00:15:57,245 --> 00:15:58,078 - Jellybeans. 328 00:15:58,078 --> 00:15:59,260 Jellybeans. 329 00:16:08,842 --> 00:16:10,510 - All rise. 330 00:16:10,510 --> 00:16:12,753 The court is now in session. 331 00:16:14,829 --> 00:16:17,470 - On Sunday evening I observed a Jerry Rubin 332 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:20,049 in Lincoln Park pointing at the police officers. 333 00:16:20,049 --> 00:16:22,360 Then he began to shout. 334 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,410 He used some profanity. 335 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:27,070 - If profane words were spoken, 336 00:16:27,070 --> 00:16:30,420 part of something an individual had said, 337 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:33,983 I think it's appropriate in law that a witness so testify. 338 00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:38,730 - He says, look at these motherfucking pigs 339 00:16:38,730 --> 00:16:40,330 standing over here. 340 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:43,830 Take off your guns and we'll fight you hand to hand. 341 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:48,180 - I was assigned to follow Mr. Jerry Rubin 342 00:16:48,180 --> 00:16:53,180 - During all this period, did you ever see him throw 343 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,740 an object at another human being? 344 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:57,390 - Wednesday. 345 00:16:57,390 --> 00:16:59,030 - Wednesday? 346 00:16:59,030 --> 00:17:00,260 He threw an object? 347 00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:01,093 - Yes. 348 00:17:01,093 --> 00:17:02,283 He threw a sweater. 349 00:17:02,283 --> 00:17:03,160 - At who? 350 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:03,993 - At me. 351 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:07,488 - I take it you were uninjured by the sweater. 352 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:14,810 - I was dressed in a white shirt, khaki pants and gym shoes. 353 00:17:14,810 --> 00:17:15,643 Sneakers. 354 00:17:15,643 --> 00:17:18,180 - Would you please relate what the defendant Davis said 355 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:19,730 about civil disobedience 356 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:22,476 and the democratic national convention? 357 00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:24,754 - He said they were going to be demonstrations 358 00:17:24,754 --> 00:17:28,840 and civil disobedience to disrupt the convention. 359 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,450 - And neither mob violence 360 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:32,730 nor police brutality have any place. 361 00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:34,810 - So the prosecution had the point of view 362 00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:37,060 that we were international revolutionaries 363 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:39,700 and they bought on a parade of policemen. 364 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:44,620 - Among them were informants who penetrated our ranks, 365 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:45,970 which wasn't very difficult to do 366 00:17:45,970 --> 00:17:49,780 since we're a very casual organization. 367 00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:53,078 - I submit to the court that the right of persons to meet, 368 00:17:53,078 --> 00:17:56,300 to assemble and to discuss outstanding political, 369 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:59,480 social questions without fear of intimidation 370 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,490 of police officers is paramount. 371 00:18:02,490 --> 00:18:05,280 And to allow undercover agents to attend the meetings 372 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,750 and make reports is a violation of the first amendment, 373 00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:10,663 of freedom of speech and assembly. 374 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:13,050 For that reason I ask 375 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:15,330 that the officer's testimony be stricken. 376 00:18:15,330 --> 00:18:17,770 - Your honor, I object to their motion. 377 00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:19,320 - We're opening up mail 378 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,123 and somebody opened the wrong envelope quickly. 379 00:18:23,123 --> 00:18:27,500 - And it was some very green marijuana. 380 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:29,260 Maybe about four ounces. 381 00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:30,800 - You approve of your client laughing 382 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,430 while the court is making a decision? 383 00:18:32,430 --> 00:18:35,190 - I didn't hear, your honor. 384 00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:37,120 I was talking with Mr. Davis. 385 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,550 - You seem to be enjoying their laughter 386 00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:40,210 because you smiled yourself. 387 00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:42,140 - A smile is not forbidden 388 00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:44,283 in federal court, I think your honor. 389 00:18:45,330 --> 00:18:47,510 I think I ought to put on record 390 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:50,730 that Mr. Davis complemented Mr. Foran 391 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:52,100 on making a good point. 392 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:54,159 - Motion will be denied. 393 00:18:54,159 --> 00:18:56,210 And as long as you were putting things on the record, 394 00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:57,960 I think I will put on the record 395 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,470 the posture of one of your clients. 396 00:19:00,470 --> 00:19:02,930 This is the United States district court. 397 00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:06,760 Have a look at him lying down there like he's on the ground. 398 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,660 - May reflect his attitude toward 399 00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:10,370 what is going on in this courtroom. 400 00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:11,203 - Oh, I think it does. 401 00:19:11,203 --> 00:19:13,860 I think it does reflect his attitude. 402 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:15,010 - Then it is free speech. 403 00:19:15,010 --> 00:19:17,796 - And that attitude will be appropriately dealt with. 404 00:19:17,796 --> 00:19:19,181 - Boo. 405 00:19:19,181 --> 00:19:21,770 - Again three marshalls back there 406 00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:23,233 deal with those comments. 407 00:19:24,372 --> 00:19:25,205 - Hey man. 408 00:19:28,942 --> 00:19:32,579 ♪ So easy to sleep ♪ 409 00:19:32,579 --> 00:19:36,063 ♪ People everywhere just wanna be free ♪ 410 00:19:36,063 --> 00:19:37,559 ♪ Listen, please listen ♪ 411 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:39,773 ♪ That's the way it should be ♪ 412 00:19:39,773 --> 00:19:41,348 ♪ There's peace in the valley ♪ 413 00:19:41,348 --> 00:19:45,470 ♪ People got to be free ♪ 414 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:49,220 - My assignment was an undercover investigator. 415 00:19:49,220 --> 00:19:50,190 - Did you in any way 416 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:52,050 alter your physical appearance 417 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:55,230 to conduct your assignment as an undercover investigator? 418 00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:56,900 - Yes, I did. 419 00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:59,350 I allowed my hair to grow long. 420 00:19:59,350 --> 00:20:01,350 I allowed myself to go without a shave 421 00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:04,160 for approximately four to six weeks. 422 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,140 I purchased the attire of a motorcycle gang member, 423 00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:10,930 which is motorcycle boots, a black tee shirt, 424 00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:14,200 black Levi's and a black leather vest. 425 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,850 And I also rented a motorcycle. 426 00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:19,580 - On Monday in Lincoln Park who did you meet with? 427 00:20:19,580 --> 00:20:21,430 - I was introduced to Abbie Hoffman 428 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:23,710 to be one of his bodyguards. 429 00:20:23,710 --> 00:20:26,530 Hoffman shook my hand and said he was glad 430 00:20:26,530 --> 00:20:27,900 to have me with him. 431 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:30,140 I said to Hoffman that last night's confrontation 432 00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:31,060 was a pretty good one. 433 00:20:31,060 --> 00:20:34,880 And Hoffman said to me, they pushed us out of the park, 434 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,770 but tonight we're gonna hold the park. 435 00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:40,420 - What did you say when Hoffman told you this, please? 436 00:20:40,420 --> 00:20:41,610 - I told him he could count on me 437 00:20:41,610 --> 00:20:43,140 in every way possible in helping him 438 00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:46,230 and doing my best to keep him from being arrested. 439 00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:47,350 - Where'd you go then? 440 00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:51,010 - Tom Hayden had been arrested and a march was formed 441 00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:53,734 to go to police headquarters to free Hayden. 442 00:20:53,734 --> 00:20:57,615 I was introduced by Jerry Rubin as his personal bodyguard. 443 00:20:57,615 --> 00:20:59,593 He was told I could be trusted. 444 00:21:01,551 --> 00:21:04,080 Rubin said that it was too many pigs here. 445 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:04,913 Let's go to the Hilton. 446 00:21:04,913 --> 00:21:07,050 So we went North on Michigan Avenue. 447 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:09,430 When the march was midpoint past the Logan statue, 448 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:12,190 the crowd broke and ran up the statue 449 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:15,954 screaming take the Hill. 450 00:21:15,954 --> 00:21:18,963 They climbed the statute and displayed the Vietcong flag. 451 00:21:19,826 --> 00:21:22,010 The red flag and the black flag. 452 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:26,123 Rubin said that this was better than Iwo Jima. 453 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,880 I saw Rennie Davis with a microphone saying hold the statue. 454 00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:34,920 Don't let the pigs move you out 455 00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:40,400 Rubin said we've got to do more to keep the crowd active. 456 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,850 We want them in the park for the Bobby Seale speech. 457 00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:47,727 - I object on the grounds of my lawyer is not here. 458 00:21:47,727 --> 00:21:49,710 You know my lawyer is not here, your honor, 459 00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:51,620 and I want my lawyer here when he mentions my name 460 00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:53,150 and testifies against me. 461 00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:55,410 - Ask him to sit down, Mr. Marshall. 462 00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:56,713 - Sit down, Mr. Seale. 463 00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:59,350 - Your honor, this little episode 464 00:21:59,350 --> 00:22:00,430 for the benefit of the jury 465 00:22:00,430 --> 00:22:03,510 is intended simply to misconstrue the fact 466 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:06,913 that this man originally had four lawyers to begin with. 467 00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:12,920 - In the speech Bobby Seale said that the time 468 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,780 for singing "We Shall Overcome" is past 469 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:19,210 and now is the time to act, to go out, 470 00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:24,210 and buy a 357 Magnum and a 45 and kill the pigs. 471 00:22:25,210 --> 00:22:27,810 Rubin began to yell kill the pigs, kills the cops. 472 00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:32,800 A man with a plastic bag said to Rubin, 473 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,560 I'm gonna fill this bag with human shit 474 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,973 and throw it at the pigs. 475 00:22:38,298 --> 00:22:40,610 And Rubin laughed and said good. 476 00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:43,400 It'll be good food for the pigs. 477 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,470 - Thank you, Mr. Pearson. 478 00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:46,120 No further questions, your honor. 479 00:22:48,490 --> 00:22:50,460 - When you heard Jerry Rubin speak, 480 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:53,030 was there any change in the mood of the assemblage? 481 00:22:53,030 --> 00:22:54,460 - Not that I noticed. 482 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,760 - Did the group become violent in any way? 483 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,031 - No, sir. 484 00:22:58,031 --> 00:23:02,090 - Now, concerning Mr. Seale's speech, 485 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:05,430 was not the only reference to killing the pigs 486 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:09,950 when he talked about self defense against an unjust attack? 487 00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:11,223 Isn't that the context? 488 00:23:12,309 --> 00:23:15,070 - That's what you said, Mr. Weinglass. 489 00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:16,470 That's not what I have said. 490 00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:19,930 - The problem with the trial from our point of view 491 00:23:19,930 --> 00:23:23,050 was that we were being diverted from our primary job. 492 00:23:23,050 --> 00:23:27,980 Our primary job was to organize antiwar activities. 493 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:30,110 - And we wanted to participate very seriously 494 00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:31,370 in the Vietnam moratorium. 495 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:34,300 - It may have been the largest nationwide turnout 496 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:38,300 of Americans against any war in American history. 497 00:23:39,569 --> 00:23:40,402 - Yes. 498 00:23:40,402 --> 00:23:41,297 Morning, troops. 499 00:23:41,297 --> 00:23:43,135 - Good morning, Abbie. 500 00:23:43,135 --> 00:23:44,262 - All rise. 501 00:23:44,262 --> 00:23:45,679 - Hey, gentlemen. 502 00:23:46,947 --> 00:23:48,850 - The court is now in session. 503 00:23:48,850 --> 00:23:51,633 The honorable judge, Julius J. Hoffman presiding. 504 00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:57,247 - Your honor, we have made a motion 505 00:23:57,247 --> 00:23:59,620 for the suspension of the trial for tomorrow. 506 00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:02,993 It's been declared a day called Vietnam Moratorium. 507 00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:05,533 These men escaped Chicago 508 00:24:05,533 --> 00:24:08,510 to protest this brutal imperialistic war. 509 00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:12,129 They feel they are being prosecuted for doing so. 510 00:24:12,129 --> 00:24:13,660 I think it very fitting for them to be permitted 511 00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:17,070 to join the millions of countrymen desire the same thing. 512 00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:19,240 - Your honor, there's been some evidence presented 513 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,331 that these men took part in a cynical plan 514 00:24:22,331 --> 00:24:25,150 to use the tragic issue of the war 515 00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:26,710 to tear down the formal structure 516 00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:29,400 of the government of the United States. 517 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,090 Now many of us feel the tragedy of war, 518 00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:33,080 especially some of us who have fought in one 519 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,570 and that they should now ask to join 520 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:36,990 with maybe a sincere effort-- 521 00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:38,730 - Your honor, I think these personal attacks 522 00:24:38,730 --> 00:24:40,653 of the defendants are uncalled for. 523 00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:45,670 I think they are making a fervent request 524 00:24:45,670 --> 00:24:48,170 to protest the deaths of thousands, 525 00:24:48,170 --> 00:24:51,490 millions of innocent people 526 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,220 whose lives have been corrupted 527 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:57,040 and prevented by the utter horror that goes on 528 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,260 in your name and in my name. 529 00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:00,340 - Not in my name. 530 00:25:00,340 --> 00:25:02,610 - It is in your name, too. 531 00:25:02,610 --> 00:25:04,080 The name of the United States. 532 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,620 - You just include yourself. 533 00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:07,140 Don't join me with you. 534 00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:08,880 Goodness. 535 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,573 Defendants motion for an adjournment will be denied. 536 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,724 ♪ War huh ♪ 537 00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:15,772 ♪ Good God, y'all ♪ 538 00:25:15,772 --> 00:25:17,860 ♪ What is it good for ♪ 539 00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:19,353 ♪ Absolutely nothing ♪ 540 00:25:19,353 --> 00:25:21,099 ♪ Say it again ♪ 541 00:25:21,099 --> 00:25:24,025 ♪ War huh ♪ 542 00:25:24,025 --> 00:25:27,300 - The names of those who died in the war this week are. 543 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,303 Mark King. 544 00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:31,403 Thomas Diaz. 545 00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:33,513 Tron T. Line. 546 00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:36,370 John Cohen. 547 00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:37,920 Lein Who. 548 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,553 Richard Washington. 549 00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:41,930 Phong Boc. 550 00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:43,093 Allen Peterson. 551 00:25:44,014 --> 00:25:45,283 Tron Bon Duke. 552 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,350 Roger Brianski. 553 00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:48,633 - Hey, hold on. 554 00:25:48,633 --> 00:25:49,593 Hey, come on. 555 00:25:50,527 --> 00:25:51,360 Relax. 556 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,396 Give it to me. 557 00:25:52,396 --> 00:25:53,767 Knock it off. 558 00:25:53,767 --> 00:25:56,870 - Mr. Hoffman, we are observing the moratorium. 559 00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:58,930 - I am Judge Hoffman, sir. 560 00:25:58,930 --> 00:26:00,380 - I believe in equality, sir. 561 00:26:00,380 --> 00:26:03,680 So I prefer to call people Mr. or by their first name. 562 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,612 - Sit down. 563 00:26:04,612 --> 00:26:07,403 - We propose that we observe a moment's silence. 564 00:26:07,403 --> 00:26:08,590 - Court please, I would like the Marshall 565 00:26:08,590 --> 00:26:10,380 to take this man into custody. 566 00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:11,600 - We only wanted a moment of silence. 567 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,140 - I object to this man speaking out in court. 568 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,990 - You needn't to object. 569 00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:17,627 I forbid him to disrupt the proceedings 570 00:26:17,627 --> 00:26:20,360 and I note for the record that his name is. 571 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,511 - David Dellinger's my name, sir. 572 00:26:22,511 --> 00:26:24,390 - The name of this man who has intended 573 00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:26,520 to disrupt proceedings is David Dellinger 574 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,890 and the record will clearly indicate that, Miss Reporter, 575 00:26:28,890 --> 00:26:30,840 and I direct him and all the others 576 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,330 not to repeat such occurrence. 577 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:34,915 - Your honor, I want to object Mr. Foran's yelling 578 00:26:34,915 --> 00:26:36,680 in the presence of the jury. 579 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,127 Your honor, as the counselor defense that's for yelling. 580 00:26:39,127 --> 00:26:40,760 - Oh your honor, this is outrageous. 581 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,730 This man is a mouthpiece. 582 00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:44,870 Just look at him wearing an armband like his clients. 583 00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:47,650 For any lawyer to come into a courtroom 584 00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:49,460 and have no respect for the court. 585 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:51,460 The government protests his attitude 586 00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:52,460 and would like to move the court 587 00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:53,590 to make note of his conduct. 588 00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:56,487 - Your honor, I think the temper and the tone of voice 589 00:26:56,487 --> 00:26:59,367 and the expression on Mr. Foran's face 590 00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:01,950 tells more than any picture could tell. 591 00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:03,280 - Of my contempt for Mr.-- 592 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,280 - To call another attorney a mouthpiece. 593 00:27:06,395 --> 00:27:09,030 And for your honor not to open his mouth 594 00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:10,850 and say this is not to be done in this court, 595 00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:13,200 I think violates the sanctity of this court. 596 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,050 It is a word that your honor knows 597 00:27:15,050 --> 00:27:17,251 is contemptuous and contumacious. 598 00:27:17,251 --> 00:27:18,950 - Don't tell me what I know. 599 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,720 - I am wearing an armband to moratorium to the dead, 600 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,700 which is no disgrace in this country. 601 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:24,807 I want him admonished. 602 00:27:24,807 --> 00:27:27,090 - Did you say you wanted to admonish me? 603 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:29,840 - I want you to admonish him. 604 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,060 - Let the record show I do not admonish 605 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:33,440 the United States attorney 606 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,617 because he has properly represented his client, 607 00:27:35,617 --> 00:27:37,430 the United States of America. 608 00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:39,540 - To call another attorney a mouthpiece, 609 00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:41,670 are you turning down my request? 610 00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:43,075 After this disgraceful episode, 611 00:27:43,075 --> 00:27:45,940 you are not going to say anything? 612 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:48,640 - I not only turn it down, I ignore it. 613 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,650 - That speaks louder than words. 614 00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:53,940 - Sir, you are a lawyer in the United States district court 615 00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:55,510 permitting your client to stand up 616 00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:59,140 in the presence of the jury and disrupt these proceedings. 617 00:27:59,140 --> 00:28:01,530 I do not know how to characterize it. 618 00:28:01,530 --> 00:28:05,170 - We do not permit our clients. 619 00:28:05,170 --> 00:28:09,360 They are free independent human beings who have been brought 620 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,970 by the government into this courtroom. 621 00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:13,050 - That is right. 622 00:28:13,050 --> 00:28:15,740 They are free, but they will conform 623 00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:17,790 to the directions of the court here, sir. 624 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,290 - Mr. Davis said, there would be no way to deal logically 625 00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:24,070 or rationally with the Chicago police. 626 00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:25,380 That they were the most belligerent, 627 00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:27,130 unthinking law enforcement agency 628 00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:29,390 and that there was no hope of avoiding a confrontation 629 00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:30,790 with the Chicago police. 630 00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:32,820 He said that if the demonstrators tried 631 00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:34,160 to sleep in the park, they could expect 632 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:34,993 to be surrounded by the police 633 00:28:34,993 --> 00:28:37,290 and that they should form separate groups 634 00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:40,000 and break out of the park and go into the city. 635 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,113 And in his own words, 636 00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:45,763 tie it up and bust it up. 637 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,480 If an arrest situation commands, 638 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,793 Mr. Davis said, we just riot. 639 00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:54,720 - Calling your attention to an earlier afternoon 640 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,340 in Lincoln Park August 24th. 641 00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:58,760 What was going on there? 642 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,170 - 25 or 30 people lined up side by side in rows 643 00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:05,376 of five or six so that they all faced in the same direction. 644 00:29:05,376 --> 00:29:07,880 Then each row linked arms and they began 645 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,935 to chant something to synchronized foot movements. 646 00:29:11,935 --> 00:29:16,380 Mr. Hayden told the group that this snake dance formation 647 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,780 was the same type the Japanese students used 648 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:22,090 to precipitate riots in Japan in 1960. 649 00:29:22,090 --> 00:29:24,780 He said that by getting people together in this formation, 650 00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:25,790 it aroused their emotions. 651 00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:28,680 It was very good for breaking through police lines 652 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,646 and moving people in the event of a riot situation. 653 00:29:31,646 --> 00:29:33,520 - Did you see any of the defendants 654 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,340 directing those snake dances and those karate techniques? 655 00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:37,900 - Objection, leading. 656 00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:39,530 - I don't believe it's leading. 657 00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:40,940 I overrule the objection. 658 00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:42,150 You may answer, sir. 659 00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:44,420 - Mr. Hoffman was leading one of those groups. 660 00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:45,750 - I was not. 661 00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:48,873 - You describe your role as a paid informer. 662 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,593 - No. 663 00:29:51,593 --> 00:29:54,750 - You recall making a lengthy statement to the FBI? 664 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,970 And in it, what did you say your employer said to you? 665 00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:59,030 - Well he said, would you object 666 00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:01,790 to infiltrating SDSN national mobilization 667 00:30:01,790 --> 00:30:03,100 in order to get stories pertinent 668 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,610 to the democratic national convention? 669 00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:07,278 I said, I would. 670 00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:11,587 - Your honor is something happening? 671 00:30:11,587 --> 00:30:12,847 I don't understand what's happening. 672 00:30:12,847 --> 00:30:15,430 The marshalls are asking people to leave. 673 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:16,732 - I know nothing about it. 674 00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:18,240 Ladies and gentlemen, I will not have talking, 675 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,690 finger waving or any distraction. 676 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:20,810 Do I make myself clear? 677 00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:23,180 - I think there's a bit of racism involved myself. 678 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:24,558 - Your honor, may the record show 679 00:30:24,558 --> 00:30:28,713 that a number of the marshals are black people. 680 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,340 This is, you know, this is our daily exercise 681 00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:34,160 by getting stories in the newspapers. 682 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,090 It's just so utterly ridiculous. 683 00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:39,610 All I get from your clients constantly is a laugh. 684 00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:41,079 Just this second justice they sit there 685 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,950 and laugh at a judge of the highest trial court 686 00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:45,056 in the United States. 687 00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:49,843 - I don't wanna die. 688 00:30:49,843 --> 00:30:51,660 I don't wanna be anybody's martyr, 689 00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:54,380 but you know, to my wife, you know, 690 00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:58,450 let my kid know that I just stood up for some human justice. 691 00:30:58,450 --> 00:31:00,790 - There is a motion here of defendant Bobby Seale 692 00:31:00,790 --> 00:31:02,523 to be permitted to defend himself. 693 00:31:03,890 --> 00:31:05,403 - I will hear you, Mr. Seale. 694 00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:14,480 - I wanna present this motion on behalf of myself. 695 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,270 I am not a lawyer, but I do know that I, 696 00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:20,070 as one of the defendants, have a right to defend myself. 697 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:26,130 So I, Bobby Seale move the court as follows. 698 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:30,240 Because I am denied the lawyer of my choice Charles R. Gary, 699 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,040 I am forced to be my own counsel and to defend myself. 700 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,140 I require my release from custody 701 00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:39,060 so I can interview necessary witnesses, 702 00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:40,500 do the necessary investigating, 703 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,890 and all other things that being in custody makes impossible. 704 00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:46,460 Cross examine witnesses, make all necessary emotions, 705 00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:48,690 and prove my innocence. 706 00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:49,940 - Have you finished, sir? 707 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:52,450 - Yes. 708 00:31:52,450 --> 00:31:53,590 - Your honor, the other defendants would like 709 00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:55,023 to join in this motion. 710 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,970 I'd like to call your honor's attention 711 00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:59,610 to Adams versus the United States 712 00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:01,920 with the Supreme Court said, 713 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,920 constitution does not force a lawyer on a defendant. 714 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,170 Mr. Seale filed that he does not desire 715 00:32:08,170 --> 00:32:10,810 to have me or any other attorney. 716 00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:13,530 - Your honor, I know I have gotten some attacks 717 00:32:13,530 --> 00:32:17,250 from the government saying we playing games over here. 718 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:19,550 I am not playing no game with my life 719 00:32:19,550 --> 00:32:21,430 being stuck on the line. 720 00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:23,000 And I want to put that into the record 721 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,483 to explain my situation. 722 00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:26,870 - Mr. Schultz. 723 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:28,720 - Your honor, this is a ploy. 724 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,553 It's ludicrous. 725 00:32:29,553 --> 00:32:30,743 The defendants know perfectly well 726 00:32:30,743 --> 00:32:35,190 that if Mr. Seale were to cross examine witnesses here 727 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:36,410 and argue to the jury, 728 00:32:36,410 --> 00:32:38,940 we would have a mistrial in two minutes. 729 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,090 It's a game they're playing with the court. 730 00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:44,027 - In the view of the court, 731 00:32:44,027 --> 00:32:49,027 the defendant Seale is now represented by competent counsel. 732 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:51,680 Mr. Kunstler having filed his appearance 733 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,023 in Mr. Seale's behalf. 734 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,790 I find now to allow the defendant Seale 735 00:32:56,790 --> 00:33:01,070 to act as his own attorney would produce disruptive effect. 736 00:33:01,070 --> 00:33:02,570 The complexity of the case 737 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:05,563 makes self representation inappropriate. 738 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,950 Motion will be denied. 739 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:09,860 - I should be allowed to defend myself. 740 00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:10,693 - I will ask-- 741 00:33:10,693 --> 00:33:13,480 - I should be allowed to speak so I can defend. 742 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,313 - Quiet. 743 00:33:14,313 --> 00:33:15,146 - Don't tell me to shut up. 744 00:33:15,146 --> 00:33:15,979 I got a write to speak. 745 00:33:15,979 --> 00:33:19,590 - Mr. Seale, I admonish you that any outbursts 746 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:21,480 such as you have just indulged in, 747 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,700 will be appropriately dealt with. 748 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,260 I must order you not to do it again. 749 00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:28,730 - In other words, you are saying you are gonna put me 750 00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:30,480 in contempt of court for speaking on behalf of myself. 751 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,330 - Will you be quiet? 752 00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:33,800 That is all. 753 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,520 I will not argue with you. 754 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,790 You have lawyers to speak for you. 755 00:33:36,790 --> 00:33:38,640 - Look, they don't speak for me. 756 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,470 I want to represent myself. 757 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:43,210 - Mr. Marshall, will you go to that man 758 00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:44,360 and ask him to be quiet? 759 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,690 - I still want to defend myself and I know I have the right. 760 00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:48,523 - Be quiet. 761 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:50,730 - Hey, man. 762 00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:52,090 - I just want to let him know that. 763 00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:53,783 That racist. 764 00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:55,780 You know, the black man tries 765 00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:58,180 to get a fair trial in this country. 766 00:33:58,180 --> 00:33:59,890 United States government, huh? 767 00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:01,540 Nixon and the rest. 768 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:02,373 Well, go 'head. 769 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:03,890 Continue. 770 00:34:03,890 --> 00:34:05,743 I'll watch and get railroaded. 771 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,180 - I filled out a form 772 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:10,960 for the national mobilization committee 773 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,060 stating that I'd like to be a Marshall 774 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:13,560 for the democratic convention. 775 00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:17,360 - During this time, have you been otherwise employed? 776 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,983 - Yes, as a member of Chicago police department. 777 00:34:19,983 --> 00:34:21,759 - Oink oink. 778 00:34:21,759 --> 00:34:22,650 Swee. 779 00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:23,663 - Now. 780 00:34:23,663 --> 00:34:27,210 Calling your attention to Friday, August 9th, 1968 781 00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:28,350 in the morning where were you? 782 00:34:28,350 --> 00:34:31,970 - Went to the national mobilization committee headquarters. 783 00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:32,840 Rennie Davis was there. 784 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,740 David Dellinger and many other people. 785 00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:37,710 Mr. Davis said that there'd many demonstrations 786 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:39,280 throughout the city and the purpose of these 787 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,580 will be to stretch the police force out. 788 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:44,010 He said we would block traffic going down the street. 789 00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:46,880 We would block people from going in and out of buildings. 790 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,270 We would smash windows and generally try 791 00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:49,340 to shut the loop down. 792 00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:50,640 Lee Wiener said that the Marshall 793 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,400 would probably wear helmets. 794 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,810 And John Froines said that we should break up 795 00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:57,260 into small groups and these groups should be violent. 796 00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:59,100 Everyone in the group agreed with this. 797 00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,260 And Abbie Hoffman was at this meeting. 798 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:02,943 - Do you see Mr. Hoffman here in the courtroom? 799 00:35:02,943 --> 00:35:04,070 - Yes, I do. 800 00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:05,723 - Would you point him out please? 801 00:35:07,390 --> 00:35:09,350 - He shot me with his finger. 802 00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:10,684 His hair is very unkempt. 803 00:35:10,684 --> 00:35:13,443 - Now on Tuesday, August 27th, where were you? 804 00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:16,790 - I was in Lincoln Park and there was a rally going on. 805 00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:19,260 - Did you recognize any of the speakers? 806 00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:22,630 - Jerry Rubin gave a speech, Phil Oaks sang, 807 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:25,760 and the person who identified himself as Bobby Seale spoke. 808 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,970 - I object to that because my lawyer is not here. 809 00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:30,280 I have been denied my right 810 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,880 to defend myself in this courtroom. 811 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,340 I object to this man's testimony against me 812 00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:37,710 because I have not been allowed my constitutional right. 813 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:40,890 - I repeat to you, sir, you have a lawyer. 814 00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:43,070 Your lawyer is Mr. Kunstler. 815 00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:44,310 - He does not represent me. 816 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:46,550 - Now you just keep on this way and-- 817 00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:47,440 - Keep on with what? 818 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,273 - Just sit down. 819 00:35:48,273 --> 00:35:49,106 - Keep on what? 820 00:35:49,106 --> 00:35:51,170 Keep on getting denied my constitutional rights. 821 00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:52,180 - Will you be quiet? 822 00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:53,240 - Now I still object. 823 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:54,810 I object because you know it's wrong. 824 00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:58,400 You denied me my right to defend myself in this courtroom. 825 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,870 You think black people haven't got a mind. 826 00:35:59,870 --> 00:36:01,890 Well we got big minds, good minds, 827 00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:03,980 and we know how to come forth with constitutional rights. 828 00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:05,150 I'm not going to be quiet. 829 00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:06,940 - Are you getting all this, Miss Reporter? 830 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:07,773 - Yes, sir. 831 00:36:07,773 --> 00:36:08,870 - I hope you got my part for the record, too. 832 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:09,703 Did you get it, ma'am? 833 00:36:09,703 --> 00:36:10,536 - Yes, sir. 834 00:36:10,536 --> 00:36:11,687 - Thank you. 835 00:36:11,687 --> 00:36:13,330 - And that outburst also. 836 00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:14,680 - I think you should understand 837 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,960 that we support Bobby Seale in this. 838 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,930 At least I do. 839 00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:20,490 - I haven't asked for your advice, sir. 840 00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:22,980 Please continue with the direct examination. 841 00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,810 - Now calling your attention to Wednesday morning 842 00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:28,660 at national mobile headquarters on the 28th of August. 843 00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:30,490 What was said by whom? 844 00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:31,725 - John Froines was talking about 845 00:36:31,725 --> 00:36:33,580 how he purchased butyric acid 846 00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:38,580 and that he's done it before for in hotels and restaurants. 847 00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:41,350 He said it works really well in restaurants 848 00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:44,070 'cause butyric acid smells like vomit. 849 00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:45,180 He talked making tear gas, 850 00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:48,110 Molotov cocktails, mace and other devices. 851 00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:49,950 And David Dellinger said, it looks like we're not gonna have 852 00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:51,845 to march around the amphitheater, 853 00:36:51,845 --> 00:36:54,650 but we should have a march anyway to use it as a diversion 854 00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:56,350 to get people out of Lincoln Park. 855 00:36:57,963 --> 00:36:58,963 - Out of which park? 856 00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:00,853 - Grant Park. 857 00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:02,693 I'm sorry. 858 00:37:04,172 --> 00:37:06,790 - Mr. Foran, do you believe one word of that? 859 00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:08,590 - Your honor, may the record show the comment 860 00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:09,733 from the defendant Dellinger. 861 00:37:09,733 --> 00:37:11,960 - Yes, Mr. Dellinger has made several comments 862 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,990 from time to time. 863 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:13,823 The record-- 864 00:37:13,823 --> 00:37:15,800 - I asked Mr. Foran if he could possibly 865 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,340 believe one word of that? 866 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:18,980 I don't believe the witness believes it. 867 00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:20,610 I don't believe Mr. Foran believes it. 868 00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:24,010 - And continue to take his words. 869 00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:27,500 I admonish you, sir, not to interrupt this trial 870 00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,000 by your conversation or your remarks. 871 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,700 You are not permitted to speak 872 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,373 while your competent lawyer represents you. 873 00:37:40,897 --> 00:37:42,147 - Hello, Daddy. 874 00:37:44,498 --> 00:37:45,778 - Hey, partner. 875 00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:56,373 - I wanna make a request, Judge Hoffman, 876 00:37:56,373 --> 00:37:58,130 that my wife be let in with my son. 877 00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:00,370 The Marshall has attempted to harass her. 878 00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:02,530 - Mr. Marshall, you take care of the requests 879 00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:05,520 as far as admission to the courtroom is concerned. 880 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,150 - In other words, my son can't come in, right? 881 00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:11,800 - Mr. Marshall, I have not addressed this man. 882 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,830 Will you undertake to see what he wants 883 00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:15,530 and do what is fair under the law? 884 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:17,653 Cross examine. 885 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,530 - You were expelled, were you not, 886 00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:30,163 for throwing a university professor off a stage physically? 887 00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:32,820 - No, sir, I was not. 888 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:34,463 - What were you expelled for? 889 00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:37,790 - I was expelled for being with the group of people 890 00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:39,963 that threw the president off the stage, sir. 891 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,973 - Now when you were participating in these discussions, 892 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,620 is it not true that you were receiving pay 893 00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:50,930 from the police department of the city of Chicago? 894 00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:52,230 - That is correct. 895 00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:55,790 - By the way, prior to your coming into this courtroom, 896 00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:57,540 how many discussions did you have 897 00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:58,700 with the United States attorney 898 00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:01,750 in this case regarding your testimony? 899 00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:03,130 - There were about three. 900 00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:06,230 - And is it not true that Mr. Foran said to you 901 00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:08,021 that your previous reports and testimony 902 00:39:08,021 --> 00:39:10,370 did not implicate the defendants enough 903 00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:12,992 and that you should elaborate a little bit? 904 00:39:12,992 --> 00:39:13,875 - No. 905 00:39:13,875 --> 00:39:14,883 No, he didn't. 906 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,653 - No further questions. 907 00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:20,530 - I would like to cross examine the witnesses. 908 00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:22,000 - You have a lawyer here. 909 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,040 - That man is not my lawyer. 910 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,720 The man made statements against me. 911 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,260 Furthermore, you are violating title 42 912 00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:28,470 United States criminal code 913 00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:29,890 because it states that the black man cannot 914 00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:32,200 be discriminated against in his legal defense. 915 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,033 Hey, hey. 916 00:39:33,033 --> 00:39:34,640 Did you see me make a speech in Lincoln Park? 917 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,473 William. 918 00:39:35,473 --> 00:39:37,580 Mr. William Frapperly, did you see me make a speech? 919 00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:39,267 - Mr. Marshall, will you ask that-- 920 00:39:39,267 --> 00:39:43,670 - Did you see me make a speech on August 27th, Tuesday, 921 00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:45,368 supposedly August 27th, Tuesday? 922 00:39:45,368 --> 00:39:47,180 - You needn't answer any of those questions. 923 00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:48,013 Let the record show-- 924 00:39:48,013 --> 00:39:49,460 - Let the record show that you are 925 00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:51,310 violating my constitutional rights. 926 00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:53,051 - I admonish you, sir, 927 00:39:53,051 --> 00:39:56,040 that you have allowed contemptuous conduct. 928 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,340 - I admonish you. 929 00:39:57,340 --> 00:39:59,130 I am not in contempt of nothing. 930 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:00,490 You are the one in contempt. 931 00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:02,570 You are in contempt of the constitutional rights 932 00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:04,370 of the mass of people in the United States. 933 00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:05,530 - Do you want to listen to me? 934 00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:07,020 - Why should I continue listening to you? 935 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:09,211 Unless you gonna give me my constitutional rights. 936 00:40:09,211 --> 00:40:10,044 Let me defend myself. 937 00:40:10,044 --> 00:40:11,495 - I'm warning you, sir, that the law-- 938 00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:13,528 - Instead of warning me, why don't you want me? 939 00:40:13,528 --> 00:40:14,883 I have the right to defend myself. 940 00:40:14,883 --> 00:40:18,240 - I am warning you that the court has the right to gag you. 941 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,073 - Gag? 942 00:40:19,073 --> 00:40:19,906 - I don't wanna do that. 943 00:40:19,906 --> 00:40:20,739 - Gag. 944 00:40:20,739 --> 00:40:21,572 - Under the law, you maybe-- 945 00:40:21,572 --> 00:40:22,405 - Gag? 946 00:40:22,405 --> 00:40:23,540 I'm being railroaded already. 947 00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:26,430 - The court has the right and I am telling you-- 948 00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:28,780 - The court has no right whatever. 949 00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:30,470 The court has no right to stop me 950 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,611 from speaking out on behalf of my constitutional rights. 951 00:40:33,611 --> 00:40:36,320 - Court will recess until tomorrow morning. 952 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,560 - Everyone will rise. 953 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,330 - I am not rising. 954 00:40:40,330 --> 00:40:42,570 I am not rising until he recognizes 955 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:44,408 my constitutional rights. 956 00:40:44,408 --> 00:40:46,610 Why should I rise for him? 957 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:48,980 He's not recognizing my constitutional rights. 958 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:52,290 - See that he rises and that other one, too. 959 00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:54,331 - Mr. Hayden, will you please rise? 960 00:40:54,331 --> 00:40:56,327 - Get all of the defendants to rise. 961 00:40:56,327 --> 00:40:57,370 And let the record show 962 00:40:57,370 --> 00:41:00,397 that the defendant, Mr. Hayden, has not risen. 963 00:41:00,397 --> 00:41:04,140 Mr. Kunstler, will you advise your clients to rise? 964 00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:05,963 - The court please it is my understanding 965 00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:08,100 that there is no legal obligation 966 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:09,970 of the defendants to rise so long 967 00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:12,400 as its failure to rise is not disruptive. 968 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,610 - You advise your clients not to rise, do you? 969 00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:18,410 - If your honor will direct me, I will advise them. 970 00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:19,243 - I direct. 971 00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:23,250 - Then I will pass on your direction. 972 00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:26,423 I will now pass on your direction to them. 973 00:41:28,255 --> 00:41:29,653 I have heard you direct me. 974 00:41:30,877 --> 00:41:32,010 I cannot in good conscience do more than that. 975 00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:34,300 They are free independent human beings 976 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,020 who must do as they please. 977 00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:36,853 - Let the record show that none 978 00:41:36,853 --> 00:41:38,620 of the defendants have risen. 979 00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:41,010 The court will be in recess, Mr. Marshall. 980 00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:43,210 - This was an American first. 981 00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:44,043 Hear. 982 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,913 Your honorable judge Julius J. Hoffman and all rise. 983 00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:52,043 Everyone does but eight. 984 00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:54,643 They don't get up. 985 00:41:55,831 --> 00:41:56,940 Ugh. 986 00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:59,587 The empire's they're like ugh. 987 00:41:59,587 --> 00:42:01,900 The whole world's just collapsed. 988 00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:02,860 - It upset me. 989 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:06,450 It made me pretty pissed off that this fool can't see 990 00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:07,690 that the sixth amendment of the constitution 991 00:42:07,690 --> 00:42:09,610 of the United States says that every person 992 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:11,490 has a right to have legal counsel of choice, 993 00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:13,550 what have you, et cetera, in a courtroom 994 00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:14,570 while going to court. 995 00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:15,480 Now what's wrong with you? 996 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,850 I mean, here's the rule. 997 00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:18,399 If you violated the rules, 998 00:42:18,399 --> 00:42:20,840 you are violating the tenets of share and share alike 999 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,587 and do unto others as you would have them to do you. 1000 00:42:22,587 --> 00:42:23,560 That's what you were doing. 1001 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,393 - Brothers and sisters, 1002 00:42:24,393 --> 00:42:27,310 we got a real situation going on up here. 1003 00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:28,720 Now I want you to understand 1004 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,540 and appreciate the fact that you got a right 1005 00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:32,550 to observe this trial and see what's going on. 1006 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:33,383 Am I right? 1007 00:42:33,383 --> 00:42:34,216 - Right. 1008 00:42:34,216 --> 00:42:35,900 - But I don't want you cats out there to get upset 1009 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:37,358 and emotional and start doing anything 1010 00:42:37,358 --> 00:42:39,370 that's out of the ordinary. 1011 00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:40,203 Am I right? 1012 00:42:40,203 --> 00:42:41,112 - Right. 1013 00:42:41,112 --> 00:42:43,860 - If anyone attacks us, you know what to do. 1014 00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:44,770 We defend ourselves. 1015 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:45,780 That's a principle of the party. 1016 00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:47,660 We defend ourselves whether they have guns or not. 1017 00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:48,630 We defend ourselves. 1018 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:51,030 If they make us leave the courtroom, we just leave. 1019 00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:53,413 But be cool because I got to do this myself. 1020 00:42:53,413 --> 00:42:54,803 - Right on. 1021 00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:59,127 - Your honor, there's 25 Marshall's in here now 1022 00:42:59,127 --> 00:42:59,960 and they all got guns. 1023 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,040 - Your honor, we are objecting to this armed camped aspect. 1024 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,710 - It is not an armed camp. 1025 00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:06,890 - Military state. 1026 00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:09,440 - If the court, please, before you came into this courtroom. 1027 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,630 If the court, please. 1028 00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:14,989 Bobby Seale stood up and addressed this group 1029 00:43:14,989 --> 00:43:17,410 and he told these people in the audience 1030 00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:20,360 that if he's attacked, they know what to do. 1031 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,260 - You lie and I told them to defend themselves. 1032 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:26,520 You are rotten, racist, paint, fascist liar. 1033 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,130 I told them, I said, if they were attacked, 1034 00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:30,467 they have a right to defend themselves. 1035 00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:32,260 And I hope the record carries that. 1036 00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:33,620 And I hope the records shows 1037 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:35,470 that tricky Dick Schultz is a liar 1038 00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:37,010 and we have a right to defend ourselves. 1039 00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:39,260 And if you attack me, I will defend myself. 1040 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:43,020 - If the court please, that is what he said 1041 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:44,130 just as he related. 1042 00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:45,250 - You darn right. 1043 00:43:45,250 --> 00:43:48,080 - Let the record show the tone in Mr. Seale's voice 1044 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,460 was one of shrieking and pounding on the table. 1045 00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:52,000 That'll be dealt with appropriately 1046 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,390 at sometime in the future. 1047 00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:54,725 - The record should indicate 1048 00:43:54,725 --> 00:43:57,063 that Mr. Schultz stood at this lectern 1049 00:43:57,063 --> 00:44:00,353 and raised his voice quite loudly in this courtroom. 1050 00:44:00,353 --> 00:44:02,430 - Yes, I think he raised his voice, 1051 00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:04,210 of what he said was the truth. 1052 00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:06,230 I can't blame him for raising his voice. 1053 00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:09,170 - Why don't you recognize my constitutional rights? 1054 00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:12,820 - I have recognized every constitutional right you have. 1055 00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:13,653 - You have not. 1056 00:44:13,653 --> 00:44:14,630 I wanna cross examine. 1057 00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:16,570 - All I have to tell you is this. 1058 00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:20,050 If you speak once again, we will take such steps 1059 00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:21,800 as are indicated in the circumstance. 1060 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,330 - If you try to suppress my constitutional right to speak up 1061 00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:28,090 then I can only see you as a bigot, a racist, 1062 00:44:28,090 --> 00:44:30,983 and a fascist as clearly indicated in the court record. 1063 00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:33,817 - Mr. Fineglass. 1064 00:44:33,817 --> 00:44:35,440 - Weinglass. 1065 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,150 - Weinglass, will you please continue 1066 00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:40,100 with the cross examination of the witness if you desire to? 1067 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,310 - Now you testified that you spent 1068 00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:54,010 a lot of time I believe with John Froines, 1069 00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:56,420 one of the defendants in this case. 1070 00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:57,380 - Sometime, yes. 1071 00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:59,300 - Isn't it a fact that you know 1072 00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:00,830 from what John Froines told you 1073 00:45:00,830 --> 00:45:03,530 that he doesn't even know how to make a firebomb 1074 00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:05,193 or a Molotov cocktail? 1075 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,470 - He said he didn't know how to make a Molotov cocktail. 1076 00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:11,140 - I have nothing further. 1077 00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:12,840 - I wanna request again, demand, 1078 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,860 that I be able to cross examine the witness. 1079 00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:17,620 You got Benjamin Franklin and George Washington 1080 00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:19,010 sitting up there on a picture behind you 1081 00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:20,530 and they were both slave owners. 1082 00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:21,830 That's what they were. 1083 00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:23,950 And you are acting in the same manner 1084 00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:25,960 by denying me my constitutional right. 1085 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,014 - Mr. Seale, I have admonished you-- 1086 00:45:28,014 --> 00:45:30,460 - I have a right to defend myself in this courtroom. 1087 00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:33,310 - What might happen to you if you keep on talking. 1088 00:45:33,310 --> 00:45:34,720 Young man, if you keep this up-- 1089 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,357 - Look old man, you being exposed to the public 1090 00:45:37,357 --> 00:45:39,060 and to the world that you do not care 1091 00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:41,620 about people's constitutional rights to defend themselves. 1092 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:43,250 - Have him sit down, Mr. Marshall. 1093 00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:46,910 - Why don't you recognize my constitutional right? 1094 00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:49,580 I have a right to defend myself. 1095 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:52,410 I have a right to cross examine the witness. 1096 00:45:52,410 --> 00:45:53,868 - Show the court please-- 1097 00:45:53,868 --> 00:45:55,598 - I have a right to defend myself. 1098 00:45:55,598 --> 00:45:56,636 - Bobby Seale in his seat. 1099 00:45:56,636 --> 00:45:57,663 - I still have a right-- 1100 00:45:57,663 --> 00:45:58,690 - Putting him in the chair. 1101 00:45:58,690 --> 00:46:00,870 The defendant Dellinger physically attempted 1102 00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:04,372 to interfere with them pushing the marshalls out of the way. 1103 00:46:04,372 --> 00:46:06,170 - I have that right. 1104 00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:08,962 - Will you, Mr. Marshall, have that man seated? 1105 00:46:12,483 --> 00:46:15,310 - Let the record show the defendant Dellinger 1106 00:46:15,310 --> 00:46:17,010 is doing it again the same thing just now. 1107 00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:17,860 - I saw it myself. 1108 00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:20,626 - Your honor, the overall umbrella of intimidation 1109 00:46:20,626 --> 00:46:24,240 is denying these defendants any chance of a fair trial. 1110 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,518 - Your honor, I've never in 20 years of practice 1111 00:46:26,518 --> 00:46:29,682 heard lawyers like Mr. Kunstler and Mr. Weinglass 1112 00:46:29,682 --> 00:46:32,900 refuse to direct their clients to conduct themselves 1113 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,260 with courtesy and decency in the courtroom. 1114 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,710 As lawyers, our major obligation 1115 00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:39,760 is our oath to uphold the law. 1116 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,440 And if the law's to be changed, 1117 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,560 then this government offers opportunity to change law by law 1118 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,290 and not by disruptive tactics. 1119 00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:48,006 - Can I say something? 1120 00:46:48,006 --> 00:46:49,900 Can I say something to the court? 1121 00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:50,737 - No, thank you. 1122 00:46:50,737 --> 00:46:53,450 I have been called a racist and a fascist. 1123 00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:56,250 He has pointed to the picture of George Washington behind me 1124 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:57,750 and called him a slave owner. 1125 00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:59,080 - They were a slave owner. 1126 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,220 - As though I had anything to do with that. 1127 00:47:01,220 --> 00:47:02,330 - You got him up there. 1128 00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:05,573 - He is known as the father of this country. 1129 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,553 I would think it was a pretty good picture 1130 00:47:08,553 --> 00:47:10,870 to have in the United States district court. 1131 00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:13,760 - We all share a common guilt, your honor. 1132 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,620 - I didn't think I would ever live to sit on a bench 1133 00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:19,520 and be in a courtroom where George Washington 1134 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,060 was assailed by a defendant and the judge was criticized 1135 00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:24,710 for having his portrait on the wall. 1136 00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:27,630 - All I am saying is that these defendants 1137 00:47:27,630 --> 00:47:29,260 are not for disruption. 1138 00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:30,477 They are for peace. 1139 00:47:30,477 --> 00:47:34,943 - Say what about section 1982, title 42 of the code 1140 00:47:34,943 --> 00:47:37,330 where it states that a black man cannot 1141 00:47:37,330 --> 00:47:39,710 be discriminated against in my legal defense, 1142 00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:40,870 in any courtroom in America? 1143 00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:42,700 - Mr. Seale, do you know-- 1144 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:44,470 - The law protects my right. 1145 00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:45,760 Why don't you recognize that? 1146 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,054 - Mr. Seale, do you want to stop? 1147 00:47:48,054 --> 00:47:49,973 Or do you want me to direct them to direct the marshall? 1148 00:47:49,973 --> 00:47:52,220 - Man, I wanna argue the point about this, 1149 00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:54,190 so you can come to an understanding about the facts 1150 00:47:54,190 --> 00:47:56,990 that I have a right to defend myself. 1151 00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:59,700 - Take that defendant into the room in there 1152 00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:02,394 and deal with him as he should be dealt with. 1153 00:48:02,394 --> 00:48:03,300 - Help. 1154 00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:05,260 I still wanna be represented. 1155 00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:08,003 I still wanna represent myself. 1156 00:48:08,003 --> 00:48:10,070 I wanna represent myself. 1157 00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:11,240 I got a right. 1158 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:12,360 I got a right. 1159 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,390 I got a right. 1160 00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:15,790 - The court will be in recess for a few minutes. 1161 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,550 - Your honor, if Mr. Seale would express his willingness 1162 00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:47,970 to be quiet will the court entertain the possibility 1163 00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:50,960 of Mr. Seale being unbound and ungagged? 1164 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,710 - I have tried so hard with all my heart 1165 00:49:53,710 --> 00:49:55,440 to get him to sit in this court 1166 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,080 and be tried fairly and impartially. 1167 00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,730 And I have been greeted on every occasion 1168 00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:01,553 with all sorts of vicious invective. 1169 00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:06,557 Mr. Seale, all of your constitutional rights have been 1170 00:50:06,557 --> 00:50:09,510 and will be preserved in this trial. 1171 00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:12,120 I assure you that if you have any evidence, 1172 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,300 when the time comes, we will listen attentively. 1173 00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,880 If you will assure the court that you will be respectful 1174 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,670 and not cause disorder, I am willing 1175 00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:24,030 that you resume your former place at the table. 1176 00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:24,863 Will you, sir? 1177 00:50:24,863 --> 00:50:26,497 - I have a right to speak on behalf of myself. 1178 00:50:26,497 --> 00:50:28,610 - If you will give me your assurance, 1179 00:50:28,610 --> 00:50:31,785 will you please indicate by raising your head up and down? 1180 00:50:31,785 --> 00:50:32,968 - Give me your assurance-- 1181 00:50:32,968 --> 00:50:35,271 - I can't understand you, sir. 1182 00:50:35,271 --> 00:50:37,504 - I wanna defend myself. 1183 00:50:37,504 --> 00:50:39,920 I have the right to speak on behalf 1184 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,763 of my constitutional rights. 1185 00:50:41,763 --> 00:50:43,740 - Mr. Marshall, I don't think you have 1186 00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:47,580 accomplished your purpose by that contrivance. 1187 00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:48,870 We will take another recess. 1188 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:53,082 - I wanna speak on behalf of my constitutional right. 1189 00:50:53,082 --> 00:50:55,184 You can't deny me my rights. 1190 00:50:55,184 --> 00:50:58,650 You can't deny me my constitutional rights. 1191 00:50:58,650 --> 00:51:01,810 - Bobby Seale's only attempt in that courtroom 1192 00:51:01,810 --> 00:51:03,903 was an attempt to represent himself. 1193 00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:26,980 - Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1194 00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:28,730 I must tell you, the law requires 1195 00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:30,180 that the judge maintain order 1196 00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:32,820 and take such steps as are warranted. 1197 00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:34,640 Accordingly, the marshals have endeavored 1198 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,040 to maintain order in the manner 1199 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,065 that you see here in the courtroom. 1200 00:51:38,065 --> 00:51:39,148 - Your honor. 1201 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,540 I move on behalf of the other seven defendants 1202 00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:48,079 for the immediate removal of the gag 1203 00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,723 and the arm and the leg cuffs. 1204 00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:56,050 Mr. Seale was only attempting to assert his rights 1205 00:51:56,050 --> 00:51:58,963 to self defense under the constitution. 1206 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,807 - I direct you, ladies and gentlemen, 1207 00:52:02,807 --> 00:52:05,540 not to hold it against any of the seven other defendants 1208 00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,350 when these measures are taken with respect 1209 00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:08,883 to defendant Mr. Seale. 1210 00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:11,790 These measures indicate no evidence 1211 00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:14,464 of his guilt or lack of guilt. 1212 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,320 - The Marshall's would take an hour, 1213 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,360 maybe two hours before the trial began 1214 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,000 trying to force this gauze into his mouth. 1215 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,210 - I said, no man. 1216 00:52:31,210 --> 00:52:32,043 No, man. 1217 00:52:32,043 --> 00:52:33,250 I said, man, what the fuck going on? 1218 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:34,083 No. 1219 00:52:34,083 --> 00:52:35,330 - What are we trying to prove, your honor? 1220 00:52:35,330 --> 00:52:37,660 - We won't go in there and sit in the trial 1221 00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:39,810 while Bobby Seale is bound and gagged. 1222 00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:42,780 - Meanwhile, Bobby and the Panthers 1223 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:45,040 are saying don't do anything. 1224 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,730 - Mr. Frapperly, you indicated to the prosecutor 1225 00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:50,470 that you received instructions from your superiors 1226 00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:52,830 not to participate in any violent actions. 1227 00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:53,763 Is that correct? 1228 00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:55,623 - That is correct. 1229 00:52:55,623 --> 00:52:58,390 - Now do you consider the forcible removal of a president 1230 00:52:58,390 --> 00:53:01,383 of a university from the speakers lectern a violent action? 1231 00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:04,083 If your honor. 1232 00:53:04,083 --> 00:53:05,350 If your honor, please. 1233 00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:06,890 The buckles on the leather strap 1234 00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:09,300 that's holding Mr. Seale's hand is digging into his hand. 1235 00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:10,830 Could he be assisted? 1236 00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:13,170 - The Marshall concludes that he needs assistance. 1237 00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:14,430 Of course. 1238 00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:17,480 - Your honor, are we going to stop the medieval torture 1239 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,883 that is going on in this courtroom? 1240 00:53:22,195 --> 00:53:25,099 Your honor, this is no longer a court of order. 1241 00:53:25,099 --> 00:53:26,103 - They spit in his elbow. 1242 00:53:26,103 --> 00:53:27,250 Bite his mouth. 1243 00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:29,120 - Your honor, this is a big disgrace. 1244 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,750 - Created by Mr. Kunstler. 1245 00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:32,251 - Created by none other than you. 1246 00:53:32,251 --> 00:53:34,378 - Why don't you come down here and watch this, judge? 1247 00:53:34,378 --> 00:53:36,020 - You fascists dogs. 1248 00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:37,901 You low life son of a bitch. 1249 00:53:37,901 --> 00:53:39,450 - Somebody come protect him. 1250 00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:41,593 - Your honor, may the record show 1251 00:53:41,593 --> 00:53:43,767 that that comment was by Mr. Dellinger. 1252 00:53:43,767 --> 00:53:45,810 - May record show that Foran's a Nazi. 1253 00:53:45,810 --> 00:53:47,510 - And that is Mr. Rubin speaking. 1254 00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:49,790 - Everything you say will be taken down. 1255 00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:51,496 - Your honor, he's being choked to death. 1256 00:53:51,496 --> 00:53:54,446 - Cruel and unusual punishment. 1257 00:53:54,446 --> 00:53:56,952 You're a fascist dog, judge. 1258 00:53:56,952 --> 00:53:57,988 - You already gagged him? 1259 00:53:57,988 --> 00:53:59,550 Why don't you just kill him, huh? 1260 00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:02,706 - You are not permitted to address the court, Mr. Hoffman. 1261 00:54:02,706 --> 00:54:03,783 - This isn't a court. 1262 00:54:03,783 --> 00:54:05,154 It's a neon oven. 1263 00:54:05,154 --> 00:54:06,730 - That was the defendant Hoffman who spoke. 1264 00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:09,778 - This disruption started when these guys got into overkill. 1265 00:54:09,778 --> 00:54:12,190 Don't you see it's the same thing as last year in Chicago? 1266 00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:13,820 This is the same thing. 1267 00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:17,253 - Mr. Hoffman, you are ordered to refrain from speaking. 1268 00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:21,310 Mr. Seale, you mind looking over here? 1269 00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:22,780 I would like to get from you, sir, 1270 00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:25,090 your assurance as an American citizen, 1271 00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:28,140 that you will not be guilty of any disruptive act 1272 00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:30,210 during the continuance of this trial. 1273 00:54:30,210 --> 00:54:32,253 May I have your assurance? 1274 00:54:36,350 --> 00:54:40,000 Let the record show that the defendant did not reply. 1275 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,330 - If your honor, please. 1276 00:54:41,330 --> 00:54:43,678 - What is it, Mr. Weinstein? 1277 00:54:43,678 --> 00:54:45,370 Weinberg. 1278 00:54:45,370 --> 00:54:46,460 - Weinglass, your honor. 1279 00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:47,880 If your honor, please. 1280 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,740 Mr. Seale was endeavoring to answer the court by writing, 1281 00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:54,500 so I would like to read the note that Mr. Seale has written. 1282 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,720 I want and demand my right to defend myself. 1283 00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,933 - I am calling for an end to this. 1284 00:54:59,933 --> 00:55:00,940 I don't think you have seen it 1285 00:55:00,940 --> 00:55:02,910 in your experience nor have I in mine. 1286 00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:05,580 - He is being treated in accordance with the law. 1287 00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:07,530 - Not in accordance with the constitution 1288 00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:10,200 of the United States, which is the supreme law. 1289 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,620 - I don't need someone to come here from New York 1290 00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:15,510 or wherever you come from to tell me 1291 00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:18,330 that there is a constitution in the United States. 1292 00:55:18,330 --> 00:55:20,110 Why should I have to go through a trial 1293 00:55:20,110 --> 00:55:22,510 and be assailed in an obscene manner? 1294 00:55:22,510 --> 00:55:24,580 - But your honor, that is the reaction 1295 00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:27,570 of a black man not being permitted to defend himself. 1296 00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:29,230 If you had said defend yourself, 1297 00:55:29,230 --> 00:55:31,010 none of this would have happened. 1298 00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:35,140 - I had lived a long time and you are the first person 1299 00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:38,120 who has ever suggested that I have discriminated 1300 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,123 against a black man. 1301 00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:43,200 You don't know me, sir, but I am as good a friend 1302 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,950 to the black people in this community as they have. 1303 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:49,020 And if you don't believe it, read the books. 1304 00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:52,330 Come into my chambers and I will show you on the wall 1305 00:55:52,330 --> 00:55:54,660 why one of the great newspapers of the city 1306 00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:57,690 said editorially about me in connection 1307 00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:59,990 with a school segregation case. 1308 00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:02,290 - Please your honor, this is not a time for self praise 1309 00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:03,660 on either side of the lectern. 1310 00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:05,950 - It isn't self praise, sir. 1311 00:56:05,950 --> 00:56:08,320 It is defense. 1312 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,380 I won't let a lawyer stand before the bar 1313 00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:13,913 and charge me with being a bigot. 1314 00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:16,890 - For God sake. 1315 00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,120 We are seeking the solution to a human problem, 1316 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,683 not whether you feel good or bad. 1317 00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:28,020 - The black man and white man can walk down the same. 1318 00:56:28,020 --> 00:56:32,545 - That third day was a scene, 1319 00:56:32,545 --> 00:56:36,774 but it caused me not to be gagged the fourth day. 1320 00:56:36,774 --> 00:56:38,090 - The court has done its best 1321 00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:39,770 to prevent the repeated efforts 1322 00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:41,653 to delay and obstruct this trial. 1323 00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:46,500 As we all know, the defendant Bobby G. Seale 1324 00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:49,570 has been guilty of conduct in the presence of the court 1325 00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:52,930 of so grave at character as to continually disrupt 1326 00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:54,800 the orderly administration of justice. 1327 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,633 - That's a lie. 1328 00:56:55,633 --> 00:56:57,400 I stood up and spoke on behalf of myself. 1329 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,590 - You are making it very difficult for me, Mr. Seale. 1330 00:57:00,590 --> 00:57:02,980 - You are making it very difficult for me, Judge Hoffman. 1331 00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:05,160 - I find that the act statements 1332 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,390 and conduct of the defendant Seale 1333 00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:10,320 each constitute contempt to this court. 1334 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,310 The deliberate, willful attack 1335 00:57:12,310 --> 00:57:14,204 upon the administration of justice, 1336 00:57:14,204 --> 00:57:17,240 and accordingly the defendant Seale will be committed 1337 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,203 to the custody of the attorney general for imprisonment. 1338 00:57:21,570 --> 00:57:25,010 Mr. Seale, you are free to address the court 1339 00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:26,510 on the question of your punishment. 1340 00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:27,860 - How come I couldn't speak before? 1341 00:57:27,860 --> 00:57:30,600 - This is a special occasion. 1342 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,960 - If you're talking about putting me in jail, 1343 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,310 I have nothing to say about that. 1344 00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:35,250 I have something to say about the fact 1345 00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:36,900 that I want to defend myself still. 1346 00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:38,490 - The court will be in recess. 1347 00:57:38,490 --> 00:57:39,323 - Wait a minute. 1348 00:57:39,323 --> 00:57:40,947 I got a right. 1349 00:57:40,947 --> 00:57:43,690 What's this cat trying to pull now? 1350 00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:44,523 I'm leaving? 1351 00:57:44,523 --> 00:57:45,360 I can't stay? 1352 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,520 I demand an immediate trial right now. 1353 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,353 - I'm sorry. 1354 00:57:48,353 --> 00:57:50,960 I can't try two cases at the same time, sir. 1355 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,040 - I have a right to go through with this trial. 1356 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,107 I want an immediate trial. 1357 00:57:55,107 --> 00:57:56,657 You can't call it a mistrial. 1358 00:57:56,657 --> 00:57:59,239 I'm put in four years for nothing. 1359 00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:00,072 You gonna put me in jail? 1360 00:58:00,072 --> 00:58:02,343 Man, I want my coat. 1361 00:58:02,343 --> 00:58:03,176 - Free Bobby. 1362 00:58:03,176 --> 00:58:04,628 - Free Bobby. 1363 00:58:04,628 --> 00:58:05,969 Free Bobby. 1364 00:58:05,969 --> 00:58:07,203 Free Bobby. 1365 00:58:07,203 --> 00:58:08,389 Free Bobby. 1366 00:58:08,389 --> 00:58:09,571 Free Bobby. 1367 00:58:09,571 --> 00:58:10,729 Free Bobby. 1368 00:58:10,729 --> 00:58:11,781 Free Bobby. 1369 00:58:11,781 --> 00:58:13,165 Free Bobby. 1370 00:58:13,165 --> 00:58:14,189 Free Bobby. 1371 00:58:14,189 --> 00:58:17,850 - This was the human spirit winning 1372 00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:22,850 over the overwhelming power of the state. 1373 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,730 They just couldn't shut the guy up so they chucked him. 1374 00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:26,563 Got him out. 1375 00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:30,230 - I'm assigned to the subversive unit. 1376 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:32,260 I joined veterans for peace. 1377 00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:35,680 I'm on the executive board of the Chicago peace council 1378 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,560 and the steering committee of the new mobilization. 1379 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,200 - While a member of these organizations, 1380 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,620 were you in your undercover capacity 1381 00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:45,460 as a Chicago police officer? 1382 00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:46,680 - Yes, sir, I was. 1383 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,350 - Would you relate to the court please 1384 00:58:49,350 --> 00:58:52,843 what you heard at the meetings at which you were present? 1385 00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:56,390 - Well, Rennie Davis said that the people 1386 00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:58,220 should have a wall to wall sit in 1387 00:58:58,220 --> 00:58:59,760 in front of the Conrad Hilton. 1388 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,780 They could break windows, pull fire alarm boxes, 1389 00:59:02,780 --> 00:59:05,533 stone police cars, break street lights. 1390 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,370 Mr. Rubin said that they could start fires at the loop. 1391 00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:12,610 Mr. Froines said that they could purchase ammonia 1392 00:59:12,610 --> 00:59:14,163 and throw this at the police. 1393 00:59:15,180 --> 00:59:18,400 Lee Wiener said that they could let the air out of tires 1394 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,603 or jam up traffic. 1395 00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:24,090 Tom Hayden said that if the city doesn't give in 1396 00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:27,213 to our demands it would be war on the streets. 1397 00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:31,160 Mr. Dellinger said that we should have the march 1398 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,380 and when stopped by the police, we sit down 1399 00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:34,950 and practice the old forms 1400 00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:37,542 of non-resistance and nonviolence. 1401 00:59:37,542 --> 00:59:39,759 - Like indecent exposure, does it? 1402 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,400 - Mr. Kunstler is laughing so he can influence the jury 1403 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,890 with the impression that this is absurd. 1404 00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:49,650 - It is absurd. 1405 00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:51,990 He's a vaudeville actor. 1406 00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:53,540 - I like being here. 1407 00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:54,700 This is very interesting. 1408 00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:56,250 - That is the best statement 1409 00:59:56,250 --> 00:59:58,940 I have heard here during this trial. 1410 00:59:58,940 --> 01:00:01,050 You said you enjoy being here? 1411 01:00:01,050 --> 01:00:02,110 - Sure. 1412 01:00:02,110 --> 01:00:03,083 It's good theater. 1413 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,433 - Oh. 1414 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,120 Is it a fact that what makes your memory so accurate today 1415 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,210 is the 14 hours you spent 1416 01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:23,045 in discussing your testimony with the prosecution? 1417 01:00:23,045 --> 01:00:23,878 - Objection. 1418 01:00:23,878 --> 01:00:25,523 - I sustain the objection. 1419 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,103 - Now I ask you, officer, 1420 01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:32,740 to look at the seven men at that table. 1421 01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:37,040 Isn't it a fact that in the entire period of time 1422 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,460 that you spent with them and in their company 1423 01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:43,840 at their meetings, the streets, the park 1424 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,270 that you never saw one of them 1425 01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:47,413 commit a single act of violence. 1426 01:00:48,845 --> 01:00:50,750 You never saw any of them strike a policeman. 1427 01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:52,040 - No, sir. 1428 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,073 - Did any of them ever throw a rock? 1429 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,590 - I don't believe I saw that. 1430 01:00:57,590 --> 01:01:00,500 - Did you ever see any of them break a window? 1431 01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:01,333 - No, sir. 1432 01:01:01,333 --> 01:01:03,973 - Did you ever see any of them making a fire bomb? 1433 01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:06,063 - No, sir. 1434 01:01:10,926 --> 01:01:13,350 - Little incidents were breaking out quickly 1435 01:01:13,350 --> 01:01:16,243 between police officers and members of the crowd. 1436 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,380 There was spitting and shoving and pushing and fighting. 1437 01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:22,880 And the officers responded and they charged the crowd 1438 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,630 and the crowd charge back and a serious disorder broke out. 1439 01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:29,850 - Isn't it true that you heard the national guard 1440 01:01:29,850 --> 01:01:33,430 or somebody in the national guard was trigger happy 1441 01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:35,640 and released teargas where the crowd 1442 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,300 was proceeding orderly out of the park? 1443 01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:40,750 - I have no recollection of hearing that. 1444 01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:42,860 The thing that continually crossed my mind 1445 01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:45,230 is this unlawful assembly in the street. 1446 01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:46,930 That was foremost in my mind. 1447 01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:48,960 I had no intention of permitting a mob 1448 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,967 to take over the street. 1449 01:01:50,967 --> 01:01:53,600 - Now did there come a time when night clubs 1450 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,823 were used on the people? 1451 01:01:55,894 --> 01:01:57,180 - There were some. 1452 01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:58,750 Some use of night batons, yes. 1453 01:01:58,750 --> 01:02:02,245 - There was quite a lot, wasn't there? 1454 01:02:02,245 --> 01:02:03,508 - I don't know. 1455 01:02:03,508 --> 01:02:05,313 Quite a bit. 1456 01:02:05,313 --> 01:02:06,393 That was some. 1457 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,619 - Did you yourself see any night batons 1458 01:02:10,619 --> 01:02:13,060 land on people's heads? 1459 01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:14,550 - Oh yes. 1460 01:02:14,550 --> 01:02:18,930 - Isn't it true that you saw the Chicago police officers 1461 01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:23,030 beating people while they were already on the ground? 1462 01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:24,940 - In some instances, yes. 1463 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:27,973 But the person on the ground was kicking and fighting back. 1464 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,320 - Is there not some training information 1465 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,180 on the proper use of a baton? 1466 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:39,290 - Yes. 1467 01:02:39,290 --> 01:02:43,800 - A training document says never swing the baton as a club. 1468 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,370 Is that true? 1469 01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:48,560 - Yes, but it's not an absolute prohibition. 1470 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,530 - Being very specific, what did you find wrong 1471 01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:53,763 with what your police did if anything? 1472 01:02:54,697 --> 01:02:57,700 - Well, I really feel badly that the police were unable 1473 01:02:57,700 --> 01:03:00,640 to control this vicious, mean, willful, 1474 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,800 unlawful crowd without injury. 1475 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,840 That I deeply regret. 1476 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,840 As far as the police tactics, 1477 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,350 some officers went a little beyond 1478 01:03:08,350 --> 01:03:11,556 what I expect them to do as professional police officers. 1479 01:03:11,556 --> 01:03:13,430 As a result of that incident, 1480 01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:16,278 we have restrengthen our training program. 1481 01:03:16,278 --> 01:03:19,130 Each and every day, the sun changes, 1482 01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:21,390 so police procedures must be revised 1483 01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:25,010 in order to keep pace with what's happening in the country. 1484 01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:26,780 Revolution is very possible. 1485 01:03:26,780 --> 01:03:28,763 Terror is very close to us. 1486 01:03:30,050 --> 01:03:32,170 - Your honor, a very interesting speech. 1487 01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:34,090 I really don't mind, except I do think 1488 01:03:34,090 --> 01:03:36,264 that it's not responsive. 1489 01:03:36,264 --> 01:03:38,390 ♪ Seems to me ♪ 1490 01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:39,223 ♪ We got ♪ 1491 01:03:39,223 --> 01:03:40,330 - We were facing 10 years in prison. 1492 01:03:40,330 --> 01:03:41,650 - The goal of our defense was 1493 01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:43,750 in a sense to recreate Chicago. 1494 01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:46,880 - With expert witnesses on the counterculture. 1495 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,950 - We decided to use the trial 1496 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:50,673 to put the government on trial. 1497 01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:54,273 - I was helping a boy off the ground. 1498 01:03:54,273 --> 01:03:57,090 I was facing away out from the benches. 1499 01:03:57,090 --> 01:03:59,200 At this point, I turned around toward the benches 1500 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,570 and I saw a man with his back to me 1501 01:04:01,570 --> 01:04:03,270 bending over a girl on the ground. 1502 01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:06,190 This was a man in a business suit. 1503 01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:08,750 Also bending over the girl on the ground 1504 01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:10,570 was policemen holding her down 1505 01:04:10,570 --> 01:04:12,950 on the ground and hitting her. 1506 01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:15,020 I ran towards them shouting to stop. 1507 01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:19,100 And the plain clothes man turned around 1508 01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:21,060 and knocked me on my back. 1509 01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:23,380 And he took me by the hair and he spun me around 1510 01:04:23,380 --> 01:04:25,800 and he said take this one, too. 1511 01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:26,843 Arrest them both. 1512 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,880 He called the other girl a black bitch. 1513 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,373 And he said, we know how to treat you animals. 1514 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,450 - What is your present occupation? 1515 01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:42,930 - I'm an assistant safety director 1516 01:04:42,930 --> 01:04:44,590 for a candy company. 1517 01:04:44,590 --> 01:04:47,870 - Directing your attention to August 28th, 1968 1518 01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:50,000 in the afternoon where were you 1519 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,560 and what if anything occurred? 1520 01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:52,900 - I was in Grand Park. 1521 01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:54,780 A speaker was telling a crowd to back up, 1522 01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:56,364 sit down and was asking the police 1523 01:04:56,364 --> 01:04:58,460 to please clear out of the area. 1524 01:04:58,460 --> 01:05:00,990 - Could you identify the speaker whose voice you heard? 1525 01:05:00,990 --> 01:05:03,570 - I believe it was David Dellinger. 1526 01:05:03,570 --> 01:05:05,470 - Now after you saw the crowd move, 1527 01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:07,303 what if anything, did you see? 1528 01:05:07,303 --> 01:05:10,310 - A platoon of helmeted police marched in 1529 01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:12,620 and stopped about 20 yards from the crowd. 1530 01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:14,160 Another platoon came marching in 1531 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,180 maybe 30 yards behind them. 1532 01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:17,320 They were counting cadence 1533 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,950 and slapping their sticks in their hands. 1534 01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:22,930 - Then what, if anything, did you see the platoon do? 1535 01:05:22,930 --> 01:05:25,500 - They marched directly into the crowd in step. 1536 01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:27,680 Broke ranks when they hit the line of marshals 1537 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,000 in front of the crowd and chopped their way 100 yards 1538 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,906 into a tightly packed crowd, beating people all the way. 1539 01:05:44,222 --> 01:05:45,222 - Wisconsin. 1540 01:05:46,550 --> 01:05:50,000 - Mr. Chairman, most delegates to this convention 1541 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,830 do not know that thousands of young people 1542 01:05:52,830 --> 01:05:56,340 are being beaten in the streets of Chicago. 1543 01:05:56,340 --> 01:06:00,349 - Wisconsin does not press acknowledged for that purpose. 1544 01:06:02,370 --> 01:06:03,860 - They were just covered with blood. 1545 01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:05,120 His head was split open. 1546 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,660 His shirt was covered with blood. 1547 01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:08,910 - At that point, I thought I wasn't gonna make it. 1548 01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:10,720 - I'm a member of the British parliament. 1549 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,363 I was first elected in 1964. 1550 01:06:12,363 --> 01:06:14,550 - Were you in Chicago during the period 1551 01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:16,810 of the democratic national convention? 1552 01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:17,790 - Yes. 1553 01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:18,660 - Well now. 1554 01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:20,850 We call our senators here senator 1555 01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:24,440 and we call our congressman congressman. 1556 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,770 - You can call me honorable member 1557 01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:26,770 for Rochester and Chatham. 1558 01:06:26,770 --> 01:06:28,120 - Oh, that's a little long. 1559 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,450 I'll just have to call you a Madam witness. 1560 01:06:30,450 --> 01:06:32,380 - I was just trying to make it easy for you. 1561 01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:33,750 - Don't make it easy for me. 1562 01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:35,660 That's not your responsibility. 1563 01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:37,830 - Mine's to tell the truth. 1564 01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:39,510 - Would you indicate what you saw 1565 01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:42,533 on the street Wednesday, August 28th. 1566 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,580 - Well I went out across. 1567 01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:46,413 What is it? 1568 01:06:46,413 --> 01:06:48,060 Balboa Street. 1569 01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:49,750 I crossed the street and went down 1570 01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:51,643 to the pavement off Michigan Avenue. 1571 01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:55,267 I saw a whole crowd of people across the street 1572 01:06:55,267 --> 01:06:57,123 and I saw a line of police. 1573 01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:00,000 I went up to one of the young persons then. 1574 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,550 I asked them what was happening. 1575 01:07:01,550 --> 01:07:03,193 I just said, what's going on? 1576 01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:06,960 Well, first of all, I'd had the, you know, 1577 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,130 the CS gas and I've been coughing 1578 01:07:09,130 --> 01:07:11,290 and choking with the other people. 1579 01:07:11,290 --> 01:07:14,198 And then I was grabbed from behind. 1580 01:07:14,198 --> 01:07:16,700 A voice said move along there. 1581 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:19,193 And I said, well, I was just talking to these young people. 1582 01:07:20,081 --> 01:07:22,260 And then I was picked up, grabbed and thrown 1583 01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:23,333 into a police wagon. 1584 01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:26,120 Those are the facts, my lord. 1585 01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:32,460 - I teach and recite poetry and lecture at universities. 1586 01:07:32,690 --> 01:07:34,200 - Did you ever study abroad? 1587 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,033 - Oh yes. 1588 01:07:35,033 --> 01:07:36,833 I studied in India and Japan. 1589 01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:42,260 I studied mantra yoga, meditation exercise. 1590 01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:44,170 Sitting quietly breathing exercises 1591 01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:46,620 to quiet the body and calm the mind. 1592 01:07:46,620 --> 01:07:49,750 - Did you have any occasion to meet with Abbie Hoffman? 1593 01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:50,640 - Yeah. 1594 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,590 - Do you recall what Mr. Hoffman said 1595 01:07:52,590 --> 01:07:54,060 in the course of conversation? 1596 01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:55,240 - Mm hm. 1597 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,073 Yippee. 1598 01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:59,950 He said the politics was becoming theater and magic. 1599 01:07:59,950 --> 01:08:02,780 That it was the manipulation of imagery 1600 01:08:02,780 --> 01:08:04,540 through the mass media that was confusing 1601 01:08:04,540 --> 01:08:07,520 and hypnotizing the people in the United States, 1602 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,560 making them accept a war, 1603 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,280 which they really didn't believe in. 1604 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,100 And that we ourselves might get together in Chicago 1605 01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,250 and invite teachers to present different ideas 1606 01:08:18,250 --> 01:08:19,380 of what's wrong with the planet. 1607 01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:22,580 What we can do to stop the pollution crisis. 1608 01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:24,560 What we can do to stop the war. 1609 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,820 - After he spoke to you, what if anything, 1610 01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:29,200 was your response to this suggestion? 1611 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,570 - Well. 1612 01:08:30,570 --> 01:08:31,950 I was worried whether or not 1613 01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:35,213 the whole scene would become violent. 1614 01:08:35,213 --> 01:08:37,740 I was worried whether the government would let us 1615 01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:40,890 do something that was funnier or prettier. 1616 01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:41,750 - Object, your honor. 1617 01:08:41,750 --> 01:08:42,730 Ask that it be stricken. 1618 01:08:42,730 --> 01:08:43,790 It's not responsive. 1619 01:08:43,790 --> 01:08:45,690 - Yes, I sustain the objection. 1620 01:08:45,690 --> 01:08:47,980 - Sir, that was our conversation. 1621 01:08:47,980 --> 01:08:51,750 - Now directing your attention to Sunday, August 25th. 1622 01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:53,150 What did you do in the park? 1623 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,300 - Well, there was an appearance 1624 01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,070 of a great mass of policemen going 1625 01:08:57,070 --> 01:08:58,620 through the center of the park. 1626 01:09:00,290 --> 01:09:01,750 I was afraid. 1627 01:09:01,750 --> 01:09:04,270 I felt the adrenaline run through my body, 1628 01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:08,046 so I sat down on a green hillside 1629 01:09:08,046 --> 01:09:11,280 with a group of younger people. 1630 01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,680 And I began chanting the magic password, 1631 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,203 which cuts through all emergency illusion. 1632 01:09:18,107 --> 01:09:18,940 Ohm. 1633 01:09:22,175 --> 01:09:23,008 Ohm. 1634 01:09:24,447 --> 01:09:26,535 - All right, we've had a demonstration. 1635 01:09:26,535 --> 01:09:27,873 - All right. 1636 01:09:27,873 --> 01:09:29,830 - From here on, I object. 1637 01:09:29,830 --> 01:09:30,663 - I sustain the objection. 1638 01:09:30,663 --> 01:09:32,950 - If the court pleased there's been much testimony 1639 01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:35,550 by the government's witnesses whether there were stones 1640 01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:38,880 or people throwing things or using obscenities. 1641 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,970 Why can't we also hear what's being said 1642 01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:42,580 in the area of calming the crowd? 1643 01:09:42,580 --> 01:09:45,490 - I have no objection to the two ohms that we've heard. 1644 01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:47,750 However, I just don't want it to go on all morning. 1645 01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:50,790 - The two however you characterize what the witness did 1646 01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:53,310 may remain on the record and he may not continue 1647 01:09:53,310 --> 01:09:55,150 in the same vein. 1648 01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:57,340 Now at approximately 8:00 p.m., 1649 01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:58,923 what was occurring in the park? 1650 01:09:59,845 --> 01:10:02,340 - There was a great crowd of people listening 1651 01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:05,085 to ministers conduct the ceremony. 1652 01:10:05,085 --> 01:10:08,270 Everybody was seated around the cross, 1653 01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:12,240 which was in the center of hundreds 1654 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,663 of people who were singing. 1655 01:10:14,785 --> 01:10:17,785 ♪ We shall overcome ♪ 1656 01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:24,450 And then, oh after a short period of time, 1657 01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:29,450 there was a burst of smoke and tear gas around the cross. 1658 01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:33,380 And I turned and I said, they have gas. 1659 01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:34,900 The cross of Christ. 1660 01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:36,770 - Your honor, I have some materials 1661 01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:38,780 that I'll have to get to properly carry 1662 01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:41,150 on my cross examination of this witness. 1663 01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:42,240 It will take me some time. 1664 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:43,840 - Are you suggesting a recess? 1665 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,400 - I would think, yes, your honor. 1666 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,740 - All right, we will go until two o'clock. 1667 01:10:47,740 --> 01:10:50,360 - Your honor, we asked for five minutes two days ago 1668 01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,900 and you refused to give it to us. 1669 01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:54,130 - You will have to cease that disrespectful tone. 1670 01:10:54,130 --> 01:10:54,963 - Not disrespect. 1671 01:10:54,963 --> 01:10:56,300 It's an angry tone, your honor. 1672 01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:57,133 - Yes, it is. 1673 01:10:57,133 --> 01:10:57,966 It is. 1674 01:10:57,966 --> 01:10:59,640 I will grant the motion to the government. 1675 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,630 - You refused us five minutes. 1676 01:11:01,630 --> 01:11:02,780 Why the different treatment? 1677 01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:04,220 - You are shouting at the court. 1678 01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:05,223 - Your honor, everybody has raised their voice 1679 01:11:05,223 --> 01:11:07,027 in this court room including your honor. 1680 01:11:07,027 --> 01:11:10,320 - I have never shouted at you during this trial. 1681 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,820 - You have raised your voice in this courtroom. 1682 01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:14,110 - You have been disrespectful. 1683 01:11:14,110 --> 01:11:15,471 - It is not disrespectful. 1684 01:11:15,471 --> 01:11:17,350 - It's sometimes even worse than that. 1685 01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:18,416 - Oh, your honor. 1686 01:11:18,416 --> 01:11:19,923 - Ohm. 1687 01:11:19,923 --> 01:11:21,960 - Will you stop off the witness stand? 1688 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,130 - He's just trying to calm us both down. 1689 01:11:24,130 --> 01:11:26,867 - I needn't no calming down. 1690 01:11:31,146 --> 01:11:34,318 ♪ I do believe ♪ 1691 01:11:34,318 --> 01:11:35,151 - Wait a minute. 1692 01:11:35,151 --> 01:11:36,335 Wait a minute. 1693 01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:38,893 - Mr. Ginsburg. 1694 01:11:40,260 --> 01:11:43,010 Your name does kind of the yippee religious leader. 1695 01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:46,120 Do you think that that's a fair designation? 1696 01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:46,953 - Oh no. 1697 01:11:46,953 --> 01:11:48,890 Well, leader is a word we try to get away from. 1698 01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:51,721 I mean, we tried to get away from the authoritarian thing. 1699 01:11:51,721 --> 01:11:53,830 It was more like. 1700 01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:55,290 - Religious teacher. 1701 01:11:55,290 --> 01:11:57,260 - Religious experimenter, huh. 1702 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,060 - Now concerning poetry that you've written. 1703 01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:05,840 There's a poem called the Night Apple. 1704 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,057 - The Night Apple, yes. 1705 01:12:08,057 --> 01:12:10,157 - Would you recite that poem for the jury? 1706 01:12:12,970 --> 01:12:15,170 - Last night I dreamed of the one I love 1707 01:12:15,170 --> 01:12:19,453 for seven long years, but I did not see a face. 1708 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,640 I saw the familiar presence of the body. 1709 01:12:24,370 --> 01:12:28,920 Sweat, skin, eyes, feces, sperm, saliva. 1710 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,963 All one odor and mortal tastes. 1711 01:12:33,820 --> 01:12:34,833 - Could you explain to the jury 1712 01:12:34,833 --> 01:12:37,493 what the religious significance of that poem is? 1713 01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:40,810 - If you would take a wet dream 1714 01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:42,580 as a religious experience I could. 1715 01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:45,243 It was a description of a wet dream, sir. 1716 01:12:54,986 --> 01:12:57,140 - Do you have a poem that you entitled Howl? 1717 01:12:57,140 --> 01:13:00,250 - Howl, yes, but Howl is a big poem. 1718 01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:01,740 I don't know it. 1719 01:13:01,740 --> 01:13:05,300 - Could you recite whatever fragments you do recall? 1720 01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:06,133 - Yes. 1721 01:13:08,290 --> 01:13:13,290 I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness. 1722 01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:15,123 Starving. 1723 01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:17,580 Hysterical. 1724 01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:18,413 Naked. 1725 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,430 Who shrieked with delight in police cars 1726 01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:24,607 for committing no other crime 1727 01:13:24,607 --> 01:13:29,607 than their own wild cooking pederasty intoxication. 1728 01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:36,083 Who protested the narcotic tobacco haze of capitalism. 1729 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:43,040 What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open these skulls 1730 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,282 and ate their brains and imagination? 1731 01:13:47,282 --> 01:13:50,873 Moloch, solitude, filth, ugliness. 1732 01:13:52,170 --> 01:13:56,620 Ash cans and unobtainable dollars. 1733 01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:59,100 Children screaming in hallways. 1734 01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:02,350 Old men weeping in parks. 1735 01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:05,170 Boys sobbing in war. 1736 01:14:05,170 --> 01:14:08,310 Moloch, Moloch, Moloch. 1737 01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:09,540 The nightmare of Moloch. 1738 01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:11,950 Moloch the loveless. 1739 01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:14,660 Moloch the heavy judger of men. 1740 01:14:14,660 --> 01:14:18,750 Moloch the crossbones soulless jailhouse 1741 01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:21,850 and congress of sorrows. 1742 01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:24,120 Moloch whose buildings are judgment. 1743 01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,140 Moloch the vast stone of war. 1744 01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:30,193 Moloch the stunned governments. 1745 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,020 - My name is Abbie. 1746 01:14:36,020 --> 01:14:37,830 I'm an orphan of America. 1747 01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:39,750 - Where do you reside? 1748 01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:41,110 - I live in Woodstock nation. 1749 01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:44,730 - Will you tell the court and the jury where it is? 1750 01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:46,220 - Sure. 1751 01:14:46,220 --> 01:14:49,090 It's a nation of alienated young people. 1752 01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:51,010 We carry it around with us as a state of mind, 1753 01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:52,610 much like the Sioux Indians carried around 1754 01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:54,370 the Sioux nation with them. 1755 01:14:54,370 --> 01:14:58,150 It's a nation dedicated to cooperation versus competition, 1756 01:14:58,150 --> 01:15:00,260 to the idea that people should have a better means 1757 01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:02,720 of exchange than property or money. 1758 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,010 - When were you born? 1759 01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:05,810 - Psychologically 1960. 1760 01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:08,060 - Between your birth in 1960, 1761 01:15:08,060 --> 01:15:10,533 what if anything occurred in your life? 1762 01:15:11,710 --> 01:15:12,920 - Nothing. 1763 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,100 I believe it's called an American education. 1764 01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:15,933 - Objection. 1765 01:15:15,933 --> 01:15:17,483 - Objection sustained. 1766 01:15:18,582 --> 01:15:22,220 - Now can you tell the court and jury, 1767 01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:24,410 what is your present occupation? 1768 01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:27,033 - Yes, I am a cultural revolutionary. 1769 01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:29,323 Well. 1770 01:15:30,162 --> 01:15:31,693 I'm really a defendant. 1771 01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:33,883 Full time. 1772 01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:39,520 - Now taking you back to 1960. 1773 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:40,353 - Objection. 1774 01:15:40,353 --> 01:15:41,880 - I sustain the objection. 1775 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,710 - Your honor, this date has great relevance to the trial. 1776 01:15:44,710 --> 01:15:46,420 I'm gonna bring him down through Chicago. 1777 01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:49,240 - Not in my presence you're not gonna bring him down. 1778 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,979 I sustain the objection to the question. 1779 01:15:51,979 --> 01:15:54,560 - My background has nothing to do with my state of mind? 1780 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,100 - Will you remain quiet while I'm making a ruling? 1781 01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:59,130 I know you have no respect for me. 1782 01:15:59,130 --> 01:16:01,053 - Your honor, this is totally unwarranted. 1783 01:16:01,053 --> 01:16:03,670 I think your remarks call for a mistrial. 1784 01:16:03,670 --> 01:16:05,660 - Motion will be denied. 1785 01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:08,630 - Now directing your attention to September 1967. 1786 01:16:10,517 --> 01:16:12,970 What were you doing? 1787 01:16:12,970 --> 01:16:14,933 - I was doing a number of things. 1788 01:16:17,470 --> 01:16:20,883 Among them was a meeting I had with defendant Jerry Rubin. 1789 01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:24,220 Jerry said that the war in Vietnam was not just an accident, 1790 01:16:24,220 --> 01:16:26,530 but that it was a byproduct of a kind of system. 1791 01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:28,480 A capitalist system in the country 1792 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,930 and that we had to begin to put forth new kinds of values, 1793 01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:33,160 especially for the young people in this country 1794 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:34,290 to make a kind of society 1795 01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,310 in which a Vietnam war would not be possible. 1796 01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:40,200 I said that America was in the last stages of its empire 1797 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,753 and that it was bent on devouring its children. 1798 01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:48,680 I said that the Pentagon is a five-sided symbol 1799 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,730 of evil in most religions and that we might be able 1800 01:16:50,730 --> 01:16:53,370 to approach this from a religious point of view. 1801 01:16:53,370 --> 01:16:55,880 If we got large numbers of people to surround the Pentagon, 1802 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,960 we might be able to exercise it of its evil spirits. 1803 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,000 So we measured the Pentagon to see how many people 1804 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,300 would take to fit around it. 1805 01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:03,510 Of course we only have to measure one side 1806 01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:05,230 because then you just multiply one times five 1807 01:17:05,230 --> 01:17:07,229 and you know depending on five sides. 1808 01:17:07,229 --> 01:17:08,830 You know what happened? 1809 01:17:08,830 --> 01:17:09,820 Do you know happened? 1810 01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:10,653 Surprise. 1811 01:17:10,653 --> 01:17:11,486 We got arrested. 1812 01:17:11,486 --> 01:17:13,720 Do you know it's illegal to measure the Pentagon? 1813 01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,430 I didn't know it up to that point. 1814 01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:16,779 What a surprise. 1815 01:17:16,779 --> 01:17:18,840 Well anyway, when we got arrested, 1816 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,927 they said, what do you think you're doing? 1817 01:17:20,927 --> 01:17:23,390 And we said, see we want to get a permit 1818 01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:26,250 to raise the Pentagon 300 feet in the air. 1819 01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:27,607 They said what? 1820 01:17:27,607 --> 01:17:29,560 How about 10? 1821 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,410 So we said, okay. 1822 01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:33,930 - Your honor, I would ask Mr. Weinglass, 1823 01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:36,740 please get on with the trial of this case 1824 01:17:36,740 --> 01:17:41,740 and stop playing around with raising the Pentagon 10 feet 1825 01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:44,176 or 300 feet off the ground. 1826 01:17:44,176 --> 01:17:48,670 - Your honor, I am glad to see Mr. Schultz finally concedes 1827 01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:51,640 that things like levitating the Pentagon building, 1828 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,050 putting LSD in the water, 10,000 people walking nude 1829 01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:59,190 on Lake Michigan and a $200,000 bribe attempt 1830 01:17:59,190 --> 01:18:01,210 are all playing around. 1831 01:18:01,210 --> 01:18:02,590 I am willing to concede that fact 1832 01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:05,240 that it was all playing around. 1833 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,987 It was a play idea of this witness. 1834 01:18:07,987 --> 01:18:11,160 And if he's willing to concede it, we can all go home. 1835 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:12,803 - I sustain the objection. 1836 01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:15,970 - At this time, we would like 1837 01:18:15,970 --> 01:18:19,443 to introduce a film by Abbie Hoffman. 1838 01:18:21,215 --> 01:18:22,360 - Great. 1839 01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,360 - We regard this to be absolutely essential 1840 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,490 and indispensable to our case 1841 01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:33,013 that nothing better shows Abbie Hoffman's state of mind. 1842 01:18:34,993 --> 01:18:37,517 ♪ The young man started growing ♪ 1843 01:18:37,517 --> 01:18:39,757 ♪ The youngblood started flowing ♪ 1844 01:18:39,757 --> 01:18:40,846 ♪ But I am ♪ 1845 01:18:40,846 --> 01:18:41,840 - The yippees decided 1846 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,930 to enter their own candidate 1847 01:18:43,930 --> 01:18:45,670 in the presidential sweepstakes. 1848 01:18:45,670 --> 01:18:47,410 - The film is not serious I conceded, 1849 01:18:47,410 --> 01:18:49,652 but neither was the yippee myth. 1850 01:18:49,652 --> 01:18:52,873 - The film will not be admitted as evidence. 1851 01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:01,530 - Abbie Hoffman, prior to coming to Chicago from April 1968 1852 01:19:01,530 --> 01:19:03,740 onto the week of the convention, 1853 01:19:03,740 --> 01:19:06,950 did you enter into an agreement with David Dellinger, 1854 01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:11,080 John Froines, Tom Hayden, Jerry Rubin, Lee Wiener, 1855 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,710 or Rennie Davis to come to the city of Chicago 1856 01:19:14,710 --> 01:19:17,810 for the purpose of encouraging and promoting violence 1857 01:19:17,810 --> 01:19:19,660 during the convention week? 1858 01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:20,493 - An agreement? 1859 01:19:20,493 --> 01:19:21,326 - Yes. 1860 01:19:21,326 --> 01:19:23,040 - Couldn't agree on lunch. 1861 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,750 - I have no further questions. 1862 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:27,053 - Cross examination. 1863 01:19:30,570 --> 01:19:31,453 - Go 'head, Dick. 1864 01:19:33,874 --> 01:19:36,923 - Did you symbolically urinate on the Pentagon, Mr. Hoffman? 1865 01:19:38,469 --> 01:19:40,930 - I symbolically urinate on the Pentagon? 1866 01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:41,763 - Yes. 1867 01:19:42,726 --> 01:19:45,080 - I didn't get that close. 1868 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,210 Pee on the walls of the Pentagon? 1869 01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:49,060 You're getting to be out of site actually. 1870 01:19:49,060 --> 01:19:50,320 - Are you done, Mr. Hoffman? 1871 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,310 - I'm done when you are. 1872 01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:53,360 - The fact is Mr. Hoffman, you were trying 1873 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,230 to create a situation where the state 1874 01:19:55,230 --> 01:19:57,300 and the United States government would have to bring 1875 01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:59,960 on the national guard in order to protect the delegates 1876 01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:02,310 so that it would appear that the convention 1877 01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:04,580 had to be held under military conditions. 1878 01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:05,670 Isn't that a fact? 1879 01:20:05,670 --> 01:20:08,220 - Come on, you can do that with a yo-yo in this country. 1880 01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:09,210 It's quite easy. 1881 01:20:09,210 --> 01:20:10,620 Just look around this courtroom. 1882 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:12,220 Look at all the troops around. 1883 01:20:12,220 --> 01:20:15,070 - Mr. Hoffman, while you were in Chicago, 1884 01:20:15,070 --> 01:20:17,190 you deliberately told your police tales 1885 01:20:17,190 --> 01:20:19,180 that you had had a fight with Rubin. 1886 01:20:19,180 --> 01:20:20,013 - Yes, deliberately. 1887 01:20:20,013 --> 01:20:22,810 - In order to destroy any charges of conspiracy. 1888 01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:23,683 Isn't that right? 1889 01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:26,610 Isn't that right, Mr. Hoffman? 1890 01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:27,443 - Yes. 1891 01:20:27,443 --> 01:20:29,450 Yes, God, I was so sneaky. 1892 01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:31,399 Yes, I told that to the policemen. 1893 01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:33,670 It didn't work obviously. 1894 01:20:33,670 --> 01:20:36,762 - Mr. Hoffman, while you were negotiating 1895 01:20:36,762 --> 01:20:40,740 with city officials, you were secretly attending meetings 1896 01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:43,550 and planning for spontaneous acts of violence 1897 01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:45,340 during the democratic national convention. 1898 01:20:45,340 --> 01:20:46,190 Isn't that right? 1899 01:20:48,952 --> 01:20:52,020 - How do you plan for spontaneous acts of violence? 1900 01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:53,750 I would have no idea how to do that. 1901 01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:57,840 - You wrote, did you not, that you dismissed the thought 1902 01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,330 of attempting to take over a building 1903 01:20:59,330 --> 01:21:01,170 right across the street from the police headquarters. 1904 01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:02,434 Isn't that right, Mr. Hoffman? 1905 01:21:02,434 --> 01:21:03,267 - Wait, wait, wait, wait. 1906 01:21:03,267 --> 01:21:04,120 Did you say that I had thoughts 1907 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,180 or that I wrote that I had the thoughts? 1908 01:21:05,180 --> 01:21:06,730 You know, there is a difference. 1909 01:21:06,730 --> 01:21:09,480 - It is a convenient difference, isn't it, Mr. Hoffman? 1910 01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,362 - I don't know what you mean by that, Mr. Schultz. 1911 01:21:12,362 --> 01:21:15,490 I never been on trial for my thoughts before. 1912 01:21:15,490 --> 01:21:17,730 - Your honor, that's outside the scope 1913 01:21:17,730 --> 01:21:19,260 of the direct examination. 1914 01:21:19,260 --> 01:21:21,730 - Mr. Weingrass, I overrule the objection. 1915 01:21:21,730 --> 01:21:22,840 - Wine grass. 1916 01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,012 Great combination. 1917 01:21:24,012 --> 01:21:26,330 - I order you to answer the question, sir. 1918 01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:28,180 You are required by law. 1919 01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:29,013 - What? 1920 01:21:29,013 --> 01:21:30,430 I just got a yes or a no. 1921 01:21:30,430 --> 01:21:31,540 All my years on this stand, 1922 01:21:31,540 --> 01:21:33,290 I never heard a ruling like that. 1923 01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:34,641 - Mr. Hoffman, isn't it a fact 1924 01:21:34,641 --> 01:21:38,560 that one of the reasons why you came to Chicago 1925 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,713 was simply to wreck American society? 1926 01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:43,872 - Oy. 1927 01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,310 My feeling at the time and still is 1928 01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:49,030 that society is gonna wreck itself. 1929 01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:50,660 I've said that on a number of occasions. 1930 01:21:50,660 --> 01:21:53,160 I said that our role is to survive 1931 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,043 while society comes tumbling down around us. 1932 01:21:56,890 --> 01:21:59,023 Our role is to survive. 1933 01:22:01,890 --> 01:22:03,470 - No matter what constituency 1934 01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:05,680 in America that I'm organized. 1935 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,320 No matter what community. 1936 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,210 I'm always confronted with that right off. 1937 01:22:10,210 --> 01:22:11,820 That we can't win. 1938 01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:13,010 That they're always gonna win. 1939 01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:15,790 The utility company wins all the time. 1940 01:22:15,790 --> 01:22:17,210 It's the way it's supposed to be. 1941 01:22:17,210 --> 01:22:18,760 Washington gets its way. 1942 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,100 It's the most anti-democratic attitude. 1943 01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:23,730 And you think then you wonder like how, 1944 01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:25,820 where they pick this up along the way? 1945 01:22:25,820 --> 01:22:26,653 I didn't. 1946 01:22:26,653 --> 01:22:28,890 I mean, I must have fell off the truck 1947 01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:32,550 because I don't believe it for a minute. 1948 01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:34,310 - Your honor, is it possible 1949 01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:37,000 to conduct this direct examination 1950 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,130 without having all these marshals 1951 01:22:39,130 --> 01:22:41,470 standing directly behind me? 1952 01:22:41,470 --> 01:22:43,120 We haven't had that for the other witnesses. 1953 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,800 - I leave the matter of security, Mr. Kunstler 1954 01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:46,990 to the U.S. Marshall. 1955 01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:49,063 I find him a very competent man. 1956 01:22:56,453 --> 01:22:57,490 - What is your name? 1957 01:22:57,490 --> 01:22:58,873 - Richard Joseph Daley. 1958 01:23:00,090 --> 01:23:01,940 - What is your occupation? 1959 01:23:01,940 --> 01:23:04,910 - I am the mayor of the city of Chicago. 1960 01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:09,050 - Who is the chairman of the park commissions in 1968? 1961 01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:12,423 - A proper designation is president not chairman. 1962 01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,450 The president was William McFetridge. 1963 01:23:15,450 --> 01:23:17,430 - Is that the same William McFetridge 1964 01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:20,700 who announced your first candidacy for mayor in 1954? 1965 01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:22,150 - Objection, your honor. 1966 01:23:22,150 --> 01:23:24,090 - I sustain the objection. 1967 01:23:24,090 --> 01:23:28,713 - Is it true, Mayor Daley, that Mr. McFetridge once said, 1968 01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:31,329 the parks are not for the centers? 1969 01:23:31,329 --> 01:23:32,162 - Objection. 1970 01:23:32,162 --> 01:23:35,947 - I sustain the objection. 1971 01:23:37,450 --> 01:23:38,650 - Mayor Daley. 1972 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,950 - She didn't do anything. 1973 01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:43,938 - Your honor, what is happening? 1974 01:23:43,938 --> 01:23:44,771 - Leave her alone. 1975 01:23:44,771 --> 01:23:47,338 - Will you let the Marshall take care of the rear row? 1976 01:23:47,338 --> 01:23:49,730 - Move it. 1977 01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:51,322 - Hey, what you doing? 1978 01:23:52,155 --> 01:23:52,988 - What about that? 1979 01:23:52,988 --> 01:23:53,821 - He's hitting Greg in the face. 1980 01:23:53,821 --> 01:23:55,766 - I don't understand. 1981 01:23:55,766 --> 01:23:57,727 Your honor, we have information that none 1982 01:23:57,727 --> 01:23:59,990 of the people doing the removing are not Marshalls, 1983 01:23:59,990 --> 01:24:02,180 but employees of the city of Chicago. 1984 01:24:02,180 --> 01:24:04,310 - If everybody will be quiet and listen 1985 01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:08,140 to the testimony of the witness, there will be no disorder. 1986 01:24:08,140 --> 01:24:09,850 Will you please proceed, sir, 1987 01:24:09,850 --> 01:24:12,030 with the direct examination of this witness? 1988 01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:15,013 Otherwise, I will direct the witness to leave the stand. 1989 01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:18,453 - Mayor Daley. 1990 01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:25,600 On April 15th, did you not order your police department 1991 01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:31,460 to shoot to kill and shoot to maim black people 1992 01:24:31,460 --> 01:24:32,600 in the city of Chicago? 1993 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,140 - Your honor, I object to the question on the grounds 1994 01:24:35,140 --> 01:24:37,520 that it is leading suggestive and material. 1995 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,710 - Your honor, I have to ask a leading question 1996 01:24:39,710 --> 01:24:40,543 in order to move. 1997 01:24:40,543 --> 01:24:42,240 - No, no, you don't have to. 1998 01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:43,710 I won't permit you to. 1999 01:24:43,710 --> 01:24:45,340 - Then at the moment I move 2000 01:24:45,340 --> 01:24:47,770 that Mayor Daley be declared a hostile witness. 2001 01:24:47,770 --> 01:24:48,750 - What? 2002 01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:50,950 The mayor's been the most friendly witness. 2003 01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:54,560 - I want to indicate the word hostile, your honor. 2004 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,500 All of the defendants feel Mayor Daley is a hostile witness. 2005 01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:02,410 Hostile in the sense that they attribute to him 2006 01:25:02,410 --> 01:25:03,800 everything that happened to them, 2007 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,870 inclusion with other people 2008 01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:06,580 in the city of Chicago last summer. 2009 01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:10,184 - Don't know whether the witness is hostile as a witness. 2010 01:25:10,184 --> 01:25:12,160 He may have been hostile as a mayor, 2011 01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,270 but he may not be hostile as a witness. 2012 01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:16,883 This matter has been that of a gentlemen. 2013 01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,890 Motion of the defense will be denied. 2014 01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:26,060 - Mayor Daley, on the 28th of August 1968. 2015 01:25:26,060 --> 01:25:28,700 - We wouldn't have to have Gestapo tactics. 2016 01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:31,148 - Did you say to Senator Rivercock. 2017 01:25:31,148 --> 01:25:31,981 - Your honor. 2018 01:25:31,981 --> 01:25:34,220 - Did you say that and quote, "Fuck you, you Jew? 2019 01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:35,332 "Listen to that. 2020 01:25:35,332 --> 01:25:36,785 "You love me, motherfucker. 2021 01:25:36,785 --> 01:25:37,618 "Go home." 2022 01:25:37,618 --> 01:25:38,451 Unquote. 2023 01:25:38,451 --> 01:25:39,550 - Yeah, go. 2024 01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:40,970 - Foolish, improper questions. 2025 01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:43,200 - Court will recess for 15 minutes. 2026 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:44,107 - Just please. 2027 01:25:45,041 --> 01:25:46,959 Just go. 2028 01:25:46,959 --> 01:25:47,792 - Yeah. 2029 01:25:49,740 --> 01:25:50,573 Hey, hey. 2030 01:25:51,826 --> 01:25:55,390 What's with all these lawyers and everything here, huh? 2031 01:25:55,390 --> 01:25:57,720 Why don't you and me settle this right here? 2032 01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:58,580 Let's go. 2033 01:25:58,580 --> 01:25:59,413 Come on. 2034 01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:05,920 - I was at the Americana Hotel in New York City 2035 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,860 attending a press conference. 2036 01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:10,860 It was to announce the formation of what we have now come 2037 01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:12,560 to know of as the yippee movement. 2038 01:26:13,410 --> 01:26:15,913 - And what did you do at that press conference? 2039 01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:18,293 - Well. 2040 01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:23,349 ♪ Where have all the flowers gone ♪ 2041 01:26:23,349 --> 01:26:27,285 ♪ Long time passing ♪ 2042 01:26:27,285 --> 01:26:28,200 ♪ Where have all ♪ 2043 01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,488 - Just a minute, young lady. 2044 01:26:29,488 --> 01:26:31,208 ♪ The flowers gone ♪ 2045 01:26:31,208 --> 01:26:33,973 ♪ Long time ago ♪ 2046 01:26:33,973 --> 01:26:37,677 ♪ Where have all the flowers gone ♪ 2047 01:26:37,677 --> 01:26:40,855 ♪ Gone to graveyard ♪ 2048 01:26:40,855 --> 01:26:42,144 - I'm sorry. 2049 01:26:42,144 --> 01:26:44,170 Judge would like to speak to you. 2050 01:26:44,170 --> 01:26:46,970 - We don't allow any singing in this court. 2051 01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:48,590 I'm sorry. 2052 01:26:48,590 --> 01:26:50,560 We're not here to be entertained. 2053 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,180 We are trying a very important case. 2054 01:26:53,180 --> 01:26:54,830 - The song is not an entertainment, your honor. 2055 01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:56,680 It's a song of peace and what happens 2056 01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,290 to men and women during war time. 2057 01:26:59,290 --> 01:27:02,323 - I forbid her from singing during this trial. 2058 01:27:05,060 --> 01:27:08,030 - The first time I came to the city of Chicago 2059 01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:10,379 was to visit the international amphitheater 2060 01:27:10,379 --> 01:27:13,553 in a poultry judging contest in 1956. 2061 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,460 I had just won the Eastern United States 2062 01:27:16,460 --> 01:27:18,150 poultry judging contest in four H. 2063 01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:18,983 I was 16. 2064 01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,660 - Now directing your attention 2065 01:27:21,660 --> 01:27:25,060 to the evening of November 20th, 1967, 2066 01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:26,923 could you relate the words you spoke? 2067 01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:33,490 - I began by holding up a small steel ball. 2068 01:27:33,490 --> 01:27:35,136 It was green. 2069 01:27:35,136 --> 01:27:37,463 About the size of a tennis ball. 2070 01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:40,870 And I said this bomb was dropped 2071 01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:43,923 on a city of 100,000 people. 2072 01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:46,283 A city called Danang. 2073 01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:50,840 I said it was delivered by an American fighter jet. 2074 01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,240 And that when this cluster bomb exploded 2075 01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:59,593 about 640 of these steel balls were spewed into the sky. 2076 01:28:00,690 --> 01:28:03,583 Now one of these steel balls, I explained, 2077 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,600 was roughly three times the power 2078 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,600 of an old fashioned hand grenade. 2079 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,810 Now with 640 of them going off, 2080 01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:16,030 you can spray 250,000 square yards 2081 01:28:16,030 --> 01:28:17,600 with steel pellets and shrapnel. 2082 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,800 Every living thing exposed will die, 2083 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,130 whether it's a water buffalo or a water buffalo boy. 2084 01:28:24,130 --> 01:28:27,510 If this bomb were to go off in this room, 2085 01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:29,060 everyone in the room would die, 2086 01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:32,570 but it wouldn't destroy the lecture podium. 2087 01:28:32,570 --> 01:28:34,470 Wouldn't damage the walls. 2088 01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:36,810 And ceiling, the floor, it takes life, 2089 01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:39,050 but it leaves the institution. 2090 01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:42,040 It's the ideal weapon for the mentality 2091 01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,253 that reasons that life is less precious than property. 2092 01:28:46,980 --> 01:28:51,330 Then I said that I, as an American citizen, 2093 01:28:51,330 --> 01:28:54,600 am deeply perturbed that we live in a country 2094 01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,760 where our own government's lying to American people. 2095 01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,080 I said, I'm going to the democratic national convention 2096 01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,880 because I want the world to know 2097 01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,550 that there are thousands of young people 2098 01:29:03,550 --> 01:29:04,920 in this country who do not want 2099 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,373 to see a rigged convention rubber stamp the war. 2100 01:29:19,310 --> 01:29:22,100 - Isn't it a fact that your plan in Chicago 2101 01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:25,700 was to combine the peacefulness of Gandhi 2102 01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:28,860 and the violence of active resistance? 2103 01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:30,016 Isn't that a fact? 2104 01:29:30,016 --> 01:29:31,849 - No, it's not a fact. 2105 01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:35,322 In fact, that's not even close. 2106 01:29:35,322 --> 01:29:36,155 And you know it. 2107 01:29:37,670 --> 01:29:39,317 - Your honor. 2108 01:29:39,317 --> 01:29:40,150 May we strike that? 2109 01:29:40,150 --> 01:29:42,740 He whispered to the court reporter and you know it. 2110 01:29:42,740 --> 01:29:45,513 - No, I made that man to man to Mr. Foran. 2111 01:29:49,710 --> 01:29:53,530 - Your honor, ask the jury to disregard that 2112 01:29:53,530 --> 01:29:56,840 since as a lawyer in court, I can't properly respond to it. 2113 01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,090 - I hope after this trial, 2114 01:29:58,090 --> 01:30:00,060 you can properly respond, Mr. Foran. 2115 01:30:00,060 --> 01:30:01,600 I really do. 2116 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,433 - I don't know what you're. 2117 01:30:02,433 --> 01:30:04,350 - That you and I can sit down 2118 01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:07,427 and talk about what happened in Chicago and why it happened. 2119 01:30:07,427 --> 01:30:08,260 - Mr. Witness. 2120 01:30:08,260 --> 01:30:09,180 - I'd like to do that very much. 2121 01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:10,310 - Mr. Witness. 2122 01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:11,630 - Your honor. 2123 01:30:11,630 --> 01:30:12,800 - Do you hear me, sir? 2124 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:13,633 - Yes, I do. 2125 01:30:13,633 --> 01:30:14,899 - You didn't respond to-- 2126 01:30:14,899 --> 01:30:16,180 - I'm sorry. 2127 01:30:16,180 --> 01:30:17,803 - I don't accept your apologies. 2128 01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:22,550 - Isn't it a fact that all the vile and vulgar propaganda 2129 01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:24,080 that the yippees were passing out 2130 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,230 was to make the authorities look repressive? 2131 01:30:26,230 --> 01:30:28,500 - Sir, no one had to make that city look repressive. 2132 01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:29,680 The city was repressive. 2133 01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,030 - You and your people wanted violence in Lincoln Park. 2134 01:30:32,030 --> 01:30:33,511 Didn't you? 2135 01:30:33,511 --> 01:30:35,360 - Your questions embarrass me. 2136 01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:36,220 They're so terrible. 2137 01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:37,053 They really do. 2138 01:30:37,053 --> 01:30:38,030 - Well answer it. 2139 01:30:38,030 --> 01:30:38,930 - It's my belief that it was you 2140 01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:41,300 who wanted the violence, Mr. Foran, not me. 2141 01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:42,990 I did not want violence. 2142 01:30:42,990 --> 01:30:45,720 - You did want to impose an international humiliation 2143 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,570 on the people that rule this country. 2144 01:30:48,630 --> 01:30:49,940 Isn't that correct? 2145 01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:52,980 - I'm afraid our government has already humiliated itself 2146 01:30:52,980 --> 01:30:54,780 in the international community, sir. 2147 01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:56,743 Can't you understand? 2148 01:30:56,743 --> 01:30:58,230 It's so simple. 2149 01:30:58,230 --> 01:31:00,630 I'm just trying to find a way that this generation 2150 01:31:00,630 --> 01:31:03,413 can make this country something better than what it's been. 2151 01:31:05,140 --> 01:31:06,310 - Ralph Abernathy. 2152 01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:09,290 He had been the leader of the mule train. 2153 01:31:09,290 --> 01:31:11,320 That was the demonstration by the Southern Christian 2154 01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,653 leadership conference of poor people. 2155 01:31:15,940 --> 01:31:17,193 - Your honor. 2156 01:31:17,193 --> 01:31:20,740 We had originally contacted Dr. Ralph Abernathy 2157 01:31:20,740 --> 01:31:22,390 to be a witness but he was out of the country. 2158 01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:24,010 He has just returned. 2159 01:31:24,010 --> 01:31:26,930 He is arriving at this moment at O'Hare airport. 2160 01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:28,970 We think his testimony is crucial. 2161 01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:31,200 - I certainly am not going to wait for him. 2162 01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,430 There have been several witnesses called during this trial 2163 01:31:34,430 --> 01:31:37,060 whose testimony could not even be presented to the jury. 2164 01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:38,313 Singers, performers. 2165 01:31:38,313 --> 01:31:40,253 I'll deny your motion. 2166 01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:45,104 - I think that what you have just said 2167 01:31:45,104 --> 01:31:47,640 is about the most outrageous statement 2168 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,700 that I have ever heard from a bench 2169 01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:51,650 and I'm going to have my say right now. 2170 01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,150 I'm trembling. 2171 01:31:55,150 --> 01:31:57,892 I'm so outraged for you to say on a technicality 2172 01:31:57,892 --> 01:32:01,190 that we cannot put Dr. Abernathy on the stand. 2173 01:32:01,190 --> 01:32:03,060 Dr. Abernathy is president 2174 01:32:03,060 --> 01:32:05,270 of the Southern Christian leadership movement. 2175 01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:07,730 He is chairman of the mobilization against war. 2176 01:32:07,730 --> 01:32:09,713 He has relevant testimony. 2177 01:32:10,690 --> 01:32:12,200 I know this is not a fair trial. 2178 01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,600 I know it in my heart. 2179 01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,220 And I am going to return to my chair 2180 01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:19,640 with the full realization that everything I have learned 2181 01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,650 throughout my life has gone for naught. 2182 01:32:21,650 --> 01:32:23,290 That there is no meaning in this court. 2183 01:32:23,290 --> 01:32:26,419 That there is no law in this court. 2184 01:32:29,610 --> 01:32:31,053 - Out with those applauders. 2185 01:32:31,053 --> 01:32:32,570 - Hey, I applauded too, your honor. 2186 01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:33,850 Throw me out. 2187 01:32:33,850 --> 01:32:34,970 - Your honor, may we proceed 2188 01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:36,500 with a rebuttal case for the government? 2189 01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:37,700 - Yes, you may. 2190 01:32:47,770 --> 01:32:48,830 - Now calling your attention 2191 01:32:48,830 --> 01:32:51,410 to Wednesday, August 28th at 5:45. 2192 01:32:51,410 --> 01:32:54,110 Did you have occasion to see David Dellinger? 2193 01:32:54,110 --> 01:32:55,390 - I did. 2194 01:32:55,390 --> 01:32:57,450 He was confronting me at the head of the march. 2195 01:32:57,450 --> 01:32:59,310 - Did you see where Dellinger went? 2196 01:32:59,310 --> 01:33:00,570 - He left with the head of the group 2197 01:33:00,570 --> 01:33:02,240 that were carrying the flag. 2198 01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:03,104 - Bullshit. 2199 01:33:03,104 --> 01:33:04,927 That's an absolute lie. 2200 01:33:04,927 --> 01:33:06,600 - Did you get that, Miss Reporter? 2201 01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,640 - Let's argue about what you stand for and what I stand for, 2202 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,870 but let's not go making things up like that. 2203 01:33:11,870 --> 01:33:13,143 - All of those remarks were made 2204 01:33:13,143 --> 01:33:16,040 from the presence of the court and jury by Mr. Dellinger. 2205 01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,490 - Sometimes the human spirit can stand so much, your honor. 2206 01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:20,949 I think David Dellinger has reached-- 2207 01:33:20,949 --> 01:33:22,723 - I have never heard anymore 2208 01:33:22,723 --> 01:33:24,690 than a half a century of the bar 2209 01:33:24,690 --> 01:33:26,720 a man using profanity in this court. 2210 01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,790 - You haven't sat here as a defendant 2211 01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:30,550 and listen to lies on the witness stand. 2212 01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:31,592 - You're a snake. 2213 01:33:31,592 --> 01:33:34,770 And we have to try and put you in jail for 10 years 2214 01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:36,880 for telling lies about us, Dick Schultz. 2215 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,900 - Be quiet, Mr. Dellinger. 2216 01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:41,540 - When this trial is over, the judge will go to Florida, 2217 01:33:41,540 --> 01:33:44,330 but if he has his way, the rest of us will go to jail. 2218 01:33:44,330 --> 01:33:46,897 And what we're fighting for is not just us, 2219 01:33:46,897 --> 01:33:48,393 but for all the rest of the people in this country 2220 01:33:48,393 --> 01:33:50,342 who are being oppressed. 2221 01:33:52,842 --> 01:33:55,460 - Take that man into custody, Mr. Marshall. 2222 01:33:55,460 --> 01:33:56,596 Take him into custody. 2223 01:33:56,596 --> 01:33:57,465 - Into custody? 2224 01:33:57,465 --> 01:33:58,499 - Into custody. 2225 01:33:58,499 --> 01:33:59,970 - Go 'head, Dick Schultz. 2226 01:33:59,970 --> 01:34:01,320 Just put everybody in jail. 2227 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,468 - Dick Schultz is a Nazi if I ever knew one. 2228 01:34:03,468 --> 01:34:04,986 - You brought this on, your honor. 2229 01:34:04,986 --> 01:34:06,109 This is your fault. 2230 01:34:06,109 --> 01:34:07,629 This is exactly what happened in Chicago. 2231 01:34:07,629 --> 01:34:09,197 - This court is bullshit. 2232 01:34:09,197 --> 01:34:10,812 - There he is saying the same word. 2233 01:34:10,812 --> 01:34:11,873 - No, no, I said it. 2234 01:34:11,873 --> 01:34:13,994 - David Dellinger did not make that last remark. 2235 01:34:13,994 --> 01:34:14,827 - Davis. 2236 01:34:14,827 --> 01:34:15,660 It was the defendant Davis. 2237 01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:16,910 - Everything in this court is bullshit. 2238 01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:18,367 - Clear the courtroom. 2239 01:34:18,367 --> 01:34:20,673 - You can jail a revolutionary, Julie, 2240 01:34:20,673 --> 01:34:22,640 but you can't jail a revolution. 2241 01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:23,530 - You're a disgrace. 2242 01:34:23,530 --> 01:34:24,970 You would've served Hitler better. 2243 01:34:24,970 --> 01:34:26,307 - That was Mr. Hoffman. 2244 01:34:26,307 --> 01:34:27,220 - You damn right it was. 2245 01:34:27,220 --> 01:34:29,023 - I saw him and I heard him. 2246 01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:31,230 - Hey stunk. 2247 01:34:31,230 --> 01:34:32,063 - Mr. Hoffman. 2248 01:34:32,063 --> 01:34:34,050 - Stick that up your bowling ball, pal. 2249 01:34:34,050 --> 01:34:36,450 Hey Julie, how are your war stocks doing? 2250 01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:38,700 - Mr. Marshall, order him to remain quiet. 2251 01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:39,589 - Order? 2252 01:34:39,589 --> 01:34:41,500 You'll have to cut our tongues out to order us. 2253 01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:42,333 Fuck you, guys. 2254 01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:46,850 - You're the laughingstock of the world, Julius Hoffman. 2255 01:34:46,850 --> 01:34:48,873 You are the laughingstock of the world. 2256 01:34:48,873 --> 01:34:51,003 Every kid in the world hates you. 2257 01:34:52,580 --> 01:34:55,670 - To see this trial right, you gotta understand 2258 01:34:55,670 --> 01:34:58,960 that this trial was being seen by millions of people 2259 01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,553 as a one minute cartoon each night. 2260 01:35:16,570 --> 01:35:19,293 - May the record show the defendants Hoffman and Rubin 2261 01:35:19,293 --> 01:35:22,433 came in attire in what might be called collegiate robes. 2262 01:35:23,593 --> 01:35:25,320 - That's judges robes. 2263 01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,073 - Some might even consider them judicial robes. 2264 01:35:30,025 --> 01:35:31,123 Your idea, Mr. Kunstler? 2265 01:35:31,123 --> 01:35:33,260 Another one of your brilliant ideas? 2266 01:35:33,260 --> 01:35:36,280 - Your honor, I can't take the credit for this one. 2267 01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:37,760 - That amazes me. 2268 01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,020 - I sustain the objection. 2269 01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:40,200 - Well I object that sustain. 2270 01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,420 - Please sit down. 2271 01:35:41,420 --> 01:35:42,253 - I overrule that sustain. 2272 01:35:42,253 --> 01:35:43,527 - Well I sustain that overrule. 2273 01:35:43,527 --> 01:35:44,750 Off with the robe. 2274 01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:46,422 - Off with the robes? 2275 01:35:52,201 --> 01:35:55,787 - I proudly accept the nomination of our party. 2276 01:36:00,660 --> 01:36:03,980 Surely we have now learned a lesson. 2277 01:36:03,980 --> 01:36:07,179 Violence breeds counter violence 2278 01:36:07,179 --> 01:36:11,998 and it cannot be condoned whatever the source. 2279 01:36:15,217 --> 01:36:19,027 - The point is that they came here wanting a riot. 2280 01:36:20,410 --> 01:36:21,790 We have shown that these defendants, 2281 01:36:21,790 --> 01:36:24,510 all seven of them had a common purpose 2282 01:36:24,510 --> 01:36:27,600 of bringing disruption and inciting violence in this city 2283 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,380 and that all seven participated working together 2284 01:36:32,380 --> 01:36:34,720 to further these plans. 2285 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,390 Oh, they never explicitly said, you do that to blow up that. 2286 01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:39,790 That is not how they did it. 2287 01:36:40,930 --> 01:36:43,370 It was tacit understanding. 2288 01:36:43,370 --> 01:36:46,920 A working together in all these meetings that they had. 2289 01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,693 And that is how they conspired. 2290 01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:52,693 They came here to riot. 2291 01:36:54,590 --> 01:36:57,401 - They didn't look for the violence with the police. 2292 01:36:57,401 --> 01:37:01,160 They were a crowd that wanted to march. 2293 01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:02,923 They weren't permitted to march. 2294 01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,833 They stayed in the streets and chanted, 2295 01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:09,820 but does that mean that the police should wade into them 2296 01:37:09,820 --> 01:37:12,850 and beat them and club them? 2297 01:37:12,850 --> 01:37:14,250 Is that the way we've come to deal 2298 01:37:14,250 --> 01:37:15,440 with people in this country 2299 01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:18,313 who adamantly insist on the right to protest? 2300 01:37:22,820 --> 01:37:27,573 - We are living in extremely troubled times. 2301 01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:33,333 An intolerable war has divided and dismayed us. 2302 01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,310 Racism at home and poverty 2303 01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,500 caused despair and discouragement. 2304 01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:43,300 In a so-called affluent society, 2305 01:37:43,300 --> 01:37:47,580 we have people who can't even approximate the decent life. 2306 01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:51,530 These are rough problems, terrible problems, 2307 01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:55,050 but they don't go away by destroying their critics. 2308 01:37:55,050 --> 01:37:58,173 They don't vanish by sending men to jail. 2309 01:37:59,878 --> 01:38:01,803 You can crucify the Jesus. 2310 01:38:03,327 --> 01:38:05,643 You can poison the Socrates. 2311 01:38:05,643 --> 01:38:08,690 You can hang John Brown or Nathan Hale. 2312 01:38:08,690 --> 01:38:10,683 You can kill the trait of honor. 2313 01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:16,323 You can jail Eugene Debs or a Bobby Seale. 2314 01:38:18,340 --> 01:38:21,610 You can assassinate John Kennedy 2315 01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:25,443 or a Martin Luther King. 2316 01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:30,263 But the problems. 2317 01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:34,113 Remain. 2318 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,230 - Remember at the beginning of this case, 2319 01:38:41,230 --> 01:38:44,010 they were calling them all by diminutive names, 2320 01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:45,620 Rennie and Abbie and Jerry, 2321 01:38:45,620 --> 01:38:48,530 trying to pretend that they were young kids. 2322 01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:49,713 They're not kids. 2323 01:38:50,620 --> 01:38:53,240 They're highly sophisticated educated men 2324 01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:54,713 and they are evil men. 2325 01:38:55,580 --> 01:38:56,710 Now there are millions of kids 2326 01:38:56,710 --> 01:38:58,970 who naturally resent authority. 2327 01:38:58,970 --> 01:39:01,430 They feel the horrors of racism 2328 01:39:01,430 --> 01:39:04,400 and the frustration of this terribly difficult war. 2329 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:05,540 They're impatient for a change. 2330 01:39:05,540 --> 01:39:06,840 You want to fix things up. 2331 01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,500 And there's another thing about a kid. 2332 01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:12,190 If we all remember, that you have an attraction to evil. 2333 01:39:12,190 --> 01:39:13,310 Evil is exciting. 2334 01:39:13,310 --> 01:39:14,660 It's interesting. 2335 01:39:14,660 --> 01:39:18,110 These guys take advantage evilly to corrupt those kids 2336 01:39:18,110 --> 01:39:19,930 and use them for their purposes. 2337 01:39:19,930 --> 01:39:22,300 And you know what their purpose was? 2338 01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:23,620 To disrupt. 2339 01:39:23,620 --> 01:39:25,460 To have war in the streets. 2340 01:39:25,460 --> 01:39:26,500 Tear the city apart. 2341 01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:27,773 Fuck up the convention. 2342 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,790 Laws to these people are viewed as suggestions 2343 01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:36,377 that they can obey or not obey just as they please. 2344 01:39:36,377 --> 01:39:38,980 Oh, they're sophisticated and they're smart 2345 01:39:38,980 --> 01:39:41,140 and they're just as evil as they can be. 2346 01:39:41,140 --> 01:39:44,233 Now can you imagine, you know, the way they named dropped? 2347 01:39:45,140 --> 01:39:46,010 Can you imagine? 2348 01:39:46,010 --> 01:39:50,670 And it's almost blasphemous to say it that they named Jesus. 2349 01:39:50,670 --> 01:39:52,720 They named Martin Luther King. 2350 01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,503 Can you imagine those men supporting these-- 2351 01:39:55,503 --> 01:39:56,336 - Yes, I can. 2352 01:39:56,336 --> 01:39:58,010 I can imagine it because it's true. 2353 01:39:58,010 --> 01:39:59,087 - Remove these people, Mr. Marshall. 2354 01:39:59,087 --> 01:40:00,243 - That's my daughter. 2355 01:40:00,243 --> 01:40:02,112 - I don't wanna listen to anymore of these disgusting. 2356 01:40:02,112 --> 01:40:04,470 - Hey, don't you hit her like that. 2357 01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:05,823 I saw you. 2358 01:40:05,823 --> 01:40:07,930 That man hit her on the head for saying the truth. 2359 01:40:07,930 --> 01:40:10,200 - Mr. Marshall, have that man sit down. 2360 01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:11,170 - See how it works. 2361 01:40:11,170 --> 01:40:12,003 Don't hit her. 2362 01:40:12,003 --> 01:40:12,880 - He did hit her. 2363 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,280 - He did hit her. - Oh bunk. 2364 01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:15,357 - I saw him hit her. 2365 01:40:15,357 --> 01:40:16,670 - Remove that woman. 2366 01:40:16,670 --> 01:40:19,170 Remove her and don't let her return, Mr. Marshall. 2367 01:40:22,715 --> 01:40:25,980 - Abbie Hoffman walked over to my youngest daughter, 2368 01:40:25,980 --> 01:40:28,740 put his arms around her and said, 2369 01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:30,560 your dad will be all right. 2370 01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:31,866 She's never forgotten that. 2371 01:40:31,866 --> 01:40:33,116 Neither have I. 2372 01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:38,320 - Contempt by definition is any act calculated to hinder 2373 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:42,050 or disrupt the court and the administration of justice. 2374 01:40:42,050 --> 01:40:43,860 And to lessen the court's authority 2375 01:40:43,860 --> 01:40:45,480 knowingly and deliberately. 2376 01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:48,940 - The contempt occurred right after the jury retired. 2377 01:40:48,940 --> 01:40:53,370 - I don't think we all, you know, really fully understood. 2378 01:40:53,370 --> 01:40:56,480 - They were at the will and whim of the judge. 2379 01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:58,247 - I find these defendants in this case 2380 01:40:58,247 --> 01:41:00,896 and the lawyers have committed numerous acts, 2381 01:41:00,896 --> 01:41:03,930 which have convinced the total disregard 2382 01:41:03,930 --> 01:41:07,000 for the proper conduct of any trial. 2383 01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,160 I will first consider the conduct 2384 01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,863 of the defendant David Dellinger. 2385 01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,930 Mr. Dellinger, you care to say anything? 2386 01:41:14,930 --> 01:41:17,340 Only in respect to punishment I will hear you. 2387 01:41:17,340 --> 01:41:19,920 I don't want you to talk politics. 2388 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,040 - Well, that's why I needed to stand up 2389 01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:26,670 because you tried to keep what you call politics, 2390 01:41:26,670 --> 01:41:28,740 which means the truth out of this courtroom. 2391 01:41:28,740 --> 01:41:30,480 - I will ask you to sit down. 2392 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:31,860 - And therefore it's necessary. 2393 01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:33,970 - I won't let you go any further. 2394 01:41:33,970 --> 01:41:36,210 - You want us to be like good Germans 2395 01:41:36,210 --> 01:41:38,630 supporting the evils of our decade. 2396 01:41:38,630 --> 01:41:40,380 Then you want us to be like good Jews 2397 01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:45,230 and go politely and quietly into the concentration camps 2398 01:41:45,230 --> 01:41:48,810 while you and this court suppress freedom and truth. 2399 01:41:48,810 --> 01:41:50,973 Well, I am not prepared to do that. 2400 01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,000 Then you want us to stay in our place like black people. 2401 01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:55,871 - Mr. Marshall. 2402 01:41:55,871 --> 01:41:56,704 - Like poor people. 2403 01:41:56,704 --> 01:41:58,770 Like women are supposed to stay in their place. 2404 01:41:58,770 --> 01:41:59,603 - Sit down, Mr. Dellinger. 2405 01:41:59,603 --> 01:42:01,650 - Well a new generation of Americans 2406 01:42:01,650 --> 01:42:03,450 will not support tyranny. 2407 01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:06,880 That's a travesty of justice and I will reflect the spirit. 2408 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,040 - Take him out. 2409 01:42:09,568 --> 01:42:10,662 - You're a tyrant, Hoffman. 2410 01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,038 - What are you doing to us, judge? 2411 01:42:17,038 --> 01:42:18,283 What are you doing? 2412 01:42:20,939 --> 01:42:22,106 - Heil Hitler. 2413 01:42:22,959 --> 01:42:23,897 Heil Hitler. 2414 01:42:23,897 --> 01:42:24,730 Heil. 2415 01:42:24,730 --> 01:42:25,563 You satisfied now? 2416 01:42:25,563 --> 01:42:26,883 Huh, you satisfied? 2417 01:42:28,150 --> 01:42:30,930 - You have just jailed one of the most beautiful 2418 01:42:30,930 --> 01:42:33,723 and one of the most courageous men in the United States. 2419 01:42:34,970 --> 01:42:38,400 - All right, now we will talk about you, Mr. Davis. 2420 01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:39,263 Care to be heard? 2421 01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,433 - You may not believe this, 2422 01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,823 but we came here to have a trial, 2423 01:42:53,130 --> 01:42:56,453 even though we regarded it as unconstitutional and unjust. 2424 01:42:59,510 --> 01:43:04,510 Judge, you represent all that is old, 2425 01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:09,300 ugly, bigoted, and repressive in this country. 2426 01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:14,109 And I will tell you that the spirit at the defense table 2427 01:43:14,109 --> 01:43:17,683 will devour you and your sickness in the next generation. 2428 01:43:25,556 --> 01:43:26,702 - See you in jail. 2429 01:43:26,702 --> 01:43:27,687 - Whole country's in jail. 2430 01:43:27,687 --> 01:43:29,037 - See you in jail, brother. 2431 01:43:29,890 --> 01:43:31,327 - We now come to the consideration 2432 01:43:31,327 --> 01:43:33,750 of the matter of Thomas Hayden. 2433 01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:34,643 Mr. Hayden. 2434 01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:40,660 - The problem that I think most people have 2435 01:43:40,660 --> 01:43:42,010 who wanna punish us is that 2436 01:43:42,010 --> 01:43:44,010 punishment does not seem to have effect. 2437 01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:47,280 Even as the Elder Dellinger is taken off, 2438 01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:48,880 a younger Dellinger fights back. 2439 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,180 So your honor, before your eyes, 2440 01:43:52,180 --> 01:43:54,500 you're seeing the most vital ingredient 2441 01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:56,290 of the system collapsing 2442 01:43:56,290 --> 01:43:58,430 because the system does not hold together. 2443 01:43:58,430 --> 01:44:00,050 - Oh, don't be so pessimistic. 2444 01:44:00,050 --> 01:44:02,220 Our system isn't collapsing. 2445 01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:03,790 Fellows as smart as you could do 2446 01:44:03,790 --> 01:44:05,640 awfully well under our system. 2447 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,020 I'm not trying to convert you, mind you. 2448 01:44:08,020 --> 01:44:10,370 - We don't wanna place in your regimen, Julie, 2449 01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:11,470 - I can state only one thing 2450 01:44:11,470 --> 01:44:13,610 that affected my feelings about punishment 2451 01:44:13,610 --> 01:44:16,433 and that is that I would like to have a child. 2452 01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,570 - Here's where the federal system can do you no good. 2453 01:44:21,570 --> 01:44:23,120 - The federal system can do you no good 2454 01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:25,240 in trying to prevent the birth of a new world. 2455 01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:26,090 - Right on. 2456 01:44:30,190 --> 01:44:31,850 - I will hear it from you and Mr. Hoffman 2457 01:44:31,850 --> 01:44:33,423 if you will be respectful. 2458 01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:35,273 - Respectful. 2459 01:44:38,150 --> 01:44:40,650 My six year old daughter sent me a note yesterday. 2460 01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:42,623 She said. 2461 01:44:44,610 --> 01:44:48,480 She said maybe the judge should change his glasses 2462 01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,190 because then he could really see 2463 01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:52,033 what the defendants are all about. 2464 01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:56,870 When the law is in tyranny, the only order is disrespect 2465 01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:58,940 and that's what we showed. 2466 01:44:58,940 --> 01:45:02,033 And that's what all honorable men of free will will show. 2467 01:45:06,220 --> 01:45:08,590 - I will hear Mr. Rubin. 2468 01:45:08,590 --> 01:45:09,990 - Judge Hoffman, your honor. 2469 01:45:12,492 --> 01:45:15,150 I came to this trial. 2470 01:45:15,150 --> 01:45:17,450 I wanted to be indicted. 2471 01:45:17,450 --> 01:45:18,812 To be indicted at this trial 2472 01:45:18,812 --> 01:45:22,253 is like winning the Academy Award of protest. 2473 01:45:24,290 --> 01:45:28,000 You have said to us respect or else 2474 01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,560 without any moral argument, and frankly sir, 2475 01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,930 I think that you have shown more disrespect towards us 2476 01:45:33,930 --> 01:45:36,520 than we could have ever been shown to you. 2477 01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,690 We're going to jail with smiles on our faces. 2478 01:45:38,690 --> 01:45:41,520 There are millions of kids who love us, 2479 01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,783 who identify with us, who are going to fight to free us. 2480 01:45:46,290 --> 01:45:48,573 And that, sir, that is the revolution. 2481 01:45:52,980 --> 01:45:56,000 - Mr. Weiner, if you'll confine your remarks 2482 01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,140 to punishment I will hear you. 2483 01:45:59,140 --> 01:45:59,973 - Sure. 2484 01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:03,013 Okay. 2485 01:46:09,090 --> 01:46:13,540 Throughout this trial, I've sat in a quiet rage 2486 01:46:14,700 --> 01:46:17,670 as I've seen over and over again, 2487 01:46:17,670 --> 01:46:22,173 the best men of our country belittled and attacked. 2488 01:46:22,173 --> 01:46:25,130 Now I understand that because you are what you are, 2489 01:46:25,130 --> 01:46:26,880 I can't personally condemn you. 2490 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,970 - I admonish you, sir. 2491 01:46:28,970 --> 01:46:31,550 I am supposed to be especially tolerant 2492 01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:33,410 because I was a member of a faculty of the school 2493 01:46:33,410 --> 01:46:35,954 that you are or were a teacher. 2494 01:46:35,954 --> 01:46:37,810 - Yes, I even understand that there's a plaque 2495 01:46:37,810 --> 01:46:39,660 naming an auditorium after you. 2496 01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:41,830 - Oh, you're nice to tell the assembled spectators. 2497 01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:42,863 - I'm pleased to report to you 2498 01:46:42,863 --> 01:46:45,490 that the plaque has been ripped off the wall. 2499 01:46:45,490 --> 01:46:46,726 - The plaque? 2500 01:46:46,726 --> 01:46:49,700 - Apparently while the board of trustees 2501 01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:52,923 feels affection for you, the student body does not. 2502 01:46:56,750 --> 01:46:59,493 - Now we come to the consideration of John Froines. 2503 01:47:04,949 --> 01:47:06,249 - When history is written, 2504 01:47:07,670 --> 01:47:10,343 the men who sat at this table, our table here, 2505 01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:13,723 that's the heroes. 2506 01:47:18,890 --> 01:47:20,740 - This matter now involves the conduct 2507 01:47:20,740 --> 01:47:22,113 of Mr. William Kunstler. 2508 01:47:23,420 --> 01:47:25,213 You wish to be heard Mr. Kunstler? 2509 01:47:30,883 --> 01:47:35,883 - I've tried with all my heart faithfully 2510 01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:39,730 to represent my clients in the face 2511 01:47:39,730 --> 01:47:42,027 of what I consider repressive 2512 01:47:42,027 --> 01:47:44,460 and unjust conduct toward them. 2513 01:47:44,460 --> 01:47:47,840 If I have to pay with my liberty, for such repression, 2514 01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:52,623 then that is the price of my beliefs and sensibilities. 2515 01:47:55,170 --> 01:48:00,170 I can only hope that my fate does not deter other lawyers 2516 01:48:00,947 --> 01:48:03,583 in the difficult days that lie ahead, 2517 01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,500 who will be asked to defend clients 2518 01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:11,570 against a steadily increasing governmental encroachment 2519 01:48:12,570 --> 01:48:15,923 upon their most fundamental liberties. 2520 01:48:23,420 --> 01:48:25,030 - Mr. Weinglass. 2521 01:48:31,175 --> 01:48:35,110 - What the court has chosen to label as direct contempt, 2522 01:48:35,110 --> 01:48:37,590 I cite as nothing more than the argument of counsel 2523 01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:39,360 in the heat of battle. 2524 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,883 And I think you do a disservice to the profession. 2525 01:48:43,420 --> 01:48:47,858 I face punishment, whatever punishment means, 2526 01:48:47,858 --> 01:48:51,890 but I welcome joining the defendants and Bill Kunstler 2527 01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:54,787 in what has been for me the warmest 2528 01:48:54,787 --> 01:48:57,393 and richest association of my life. 2529 01:49:11,190 --> 01:49:12,700 - Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 2530 01:49:12,700 --> 01:49:15,083 I am informed you have reached a verdict. 2531 01:49:16,952 --> 01:49:20,660 I direct the clerk to read the verdict. 2532 01:49:20,660 --> 01:49:22,940 - We, the jury, find the defendants Lee Wiener 2533 01:49:22,940 --> 01:49:25,910 and John Froines not guilty as charged. 2534 01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:28,200 We, the jury find the defendants David Dellinger, 2535 01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:31,490 Renard Davis, Thomas Hayden, Abbott Hoffman, 2536 01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:35,060 and Jerry Rubin not guilty of conspiring, 2537 01:49:35,060 --> 01:49:37,750 but guilty of intending to organize, 2538 01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:40,753 promote, and incite to riot. 2539 01:49:43,330 --> 01:49:46,263 - I now proceed with the imposition of sentence. 2540 01:49:47,598 --> 01:49:50,253 I will hear for your clients, Mr. Kunstler. 2541 01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,621 - The defendants will speak with themselves. 2542 01:49:54,621 --> 01:49:56,210 - All right. 2543 01:49:56,210 --> 01:50:00,323 Mr. Dellinger, you have a right to speak in your own behalf. 2544 01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:06,910 - First, I would like to say 2545 01:50:06,910 --> 01:50:10,350 that I feel that every judge should be required 2546 01:50:10,350 --> 01:50:13,941 to spend some time in prison before sentencing other people 2547 01:50:13,941 --> 01:50:15,690 in order that he might become aware 2548 01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:18,310 of the degrading anti-human conditions 2549 01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:19,823 that persist in our prisons. 2550 01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,193 I feel more compassion for you, sir, than I do hostility. 2551 01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:27,850 I believe that you're a man who's had too much power 2552 01:50:27,850 --> 01:50:30,053 over too many people for too many years. 2553 01:50:31,810 --> 01:50:34,670 What happens to us here, however unjustified, 2554 01:50:34,670 --> 01:50:36,500 is very slight compared to 2555 01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:39,474 what has already happened to the Vietnamese people, 2556 01:50:39,474 --> 01:50:42,760 to the black people in this country and to the criminals, 2557 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,783 with whom we're now spending our days. 2558 01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,660 Finally, there's something ambivalent 2559 01:50:50,660 --> 01:50:52,440 in my attitude towards you 2560 01:50:52,440 --> 01:50:56,740 because I think one can see something spunky in you 2561 01:50:56,740 --> 01:51:00,360 that one has to admire however misguided 2562 01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,253 or intolerant I believe that you are. 2563 01:51:04,420 --> 01:51:07,430 - Mr. Davis, would you like to speak in your own behalf? 2564 01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:08,653 You have that right. 2565 01:51:10,510 --> 01:51:12,570 - When I come out of prison, 2566 01:51:12,570 --> 01:51:14,820 it's gonna be to move next door to Tom Foran. 2567 01:51:15,703 --> 01:51:18,103 I'm gonna be the boy next door to Tom Foran. 2568 01:51:19,524 --> 01:51:22,442 The boy next door that could have been a judge. 2569 01:51:22,442 --> 01:51:24,042 He could have been a prosecutor. 2570 01:51:25,056 --> 01:51:27,260 I'm gonna be the boy next door 2571 01:51:27,260 --> 01:51:29,460 that organizes his kids into the revolution. 2572 01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:31,220 - Mr. Hayden. 2573 01:51:36,450 --> 01:51:39,453 - If you didn't wanna make us martyrs, why'd you do it? 2574 01:51:41,090 --> 01:51:42,650 We can hardly be notorious characters 2575 01:51:42,650 --> 01:51:44,920 if they'd left us alone in the streets of Chicago, 2576 01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:48,823 but instead we became the masterminds of a conspiracy, 2577 01:51:49,930 --> 01:51:52,330 chosen by the government to serve as scapegoats. 2578 01:51:53,384 --> 01:51:56,090 You know that by doing this, 2579 01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:58,690 it speeds up the end for the people who do it to us. 2580 01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,563 We had no choice in Chicago. 2581 01:52:03,530 --> 01:52:05,080 We had no choice in this trial. 2582 01:52:08,190 --> 01:52:09,253 - Mr. Hoffman. 2583 01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,213 - Mr. Foran says that we're un-American. 2584 01:52:15,250 --> 01:52:16,460 I don't feel un-American. 2585 01:52:16,460 --> 01:52:18,700 I feel very American. 2586 01:52:18,700 --> 01:52:19,910 I know those guys up on the wall. 2587 01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:22,150 I know them better than you I feel. 2588 01:52:22,150 --> 01:52:23,300 I know Adams. 2589 01:52:23,300 --> 01:52:24,240 I know all the Adams. 2590 01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,680 They grew up 20 miles from my home in Massachusetts. 2591 01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:29,120 Thomas Jefferson. 2592 01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:32,150 Thomas Jefferson called for a revolution every 10 years. 2593 01:52:32,150 --> 01:52:34,470 Thomas Jefferson had an agrarian reform program 2594 01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:36,820 that would make Mao Zedong look like a liberal. 2595 01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:39,493 George Washington. 2596 01:52:40,330 --> 01:52:42,150 George Washington grew pot. 2597 01:52:42,150 --> 01:52:43,450 Wait, he called it hemp. 2598 01:52:43,450 --> 01:52:46,383 But he was probably a pothead. 2599 01:52:47,950 --> 01:52:49,020 Abraham Lincoln. 2600 01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:52,040 Abraham Lincoln said in his inaugural address of 1861. 2601 01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:52,873 He said. 2602 01:52:54,100 --> 01:52:56,030 When the people should grow weary 2603 01:52:56,030 --> 01:52:59,690 of their constitutional right to amend the government, 2604 01:52:59,690 --> 01:53:02,490 they shall exert the revolutionary right to dismember 2605 01:53:02,490 --> 01:53:03,950 and overthrow that government. 2606 01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:05,890 Now come on, Julie. 2607 01:53:05,890 --> 01:53:07,640 If he had made that speech in Lincoln Park, 2608 01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:10,240 he'd be standing in this courtroom on trial right now 2609 01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:13,495 because that speech is intended to incite a riot. 2610 01:53:13,495 --> 01:53:15,842 I don't know what a riot is. 2611 01:53:15,842 --> 01:53:18,760 I thought a riot meant having fun. 2612 01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,960 You know, like means when you laugh. 2613 01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:21,793 That's a riot. 2614 01:53:28,964 --> 01:53:31,547 I'll see you in Florida, Julie. 2615 01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:33,423 - Mr. Rubin. 2616 01:53:37,290 --> 01:53:39,600 - You're sentencing us for being ourselves. 2617 01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,110 That's the crime. 2618 01:53:41,110 --> 01:53:43,790 Julius, you've radicalized more young people 2619 01:53:43,790 --> 01:53:44,623 than we ever could have. 2620 01:53:44,623 --> 01:53:47,223 This is the happiest day of my life. 2621 01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:55,599 - Mr. Clerk, the defendants will be committed 2622 01:53:55,599 --> 01:54:00,220 to the attorney general for imprisonment for five years. 2623 01:54:00,220 --> 01:54:04,717 Will be fined the sum of $5,000 in cost of prosecution. 2624 01:54:04,717 --> 01:54:06,420 - $5,000, judge? 2625 01:54:06,420 --> 01:54:07,850 Could you make that 350? 2626 01:54:07,850 --> 01:54:09,860 - Court finds that the defendants 2627 01:54:09,860 --> 01:54:13,303 are clearly dangerous persons to be at large. 2628 01:54:14,170 --> 01:54:18,037 Therefore the commitments will be without bail. 2629 01:54:31,130 --> 01:54:31,963 - Wait a minute. 2630 01:54:31,963 --> 01:54:33,560 A riot. 2631 01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:36,350 - Every one of those defendants was willing 2632 01:54:36,350 --> 01:54:40,030 to go to jail for 10 years, which was what we faced. 2633 01:54:40,030 --> 01:54:43,630 - I think my fear was that we'd never get out. 2634 01:54:43,630 --> 01:54:44,950 - Although we did know 2635 01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:47,160 that history only remembers the guilty. 2636 01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:48,110 It doesn't remember the not guilty. 2637 01:54:48,110 --> 01:54:49,900 - As a matter of fact, 2638 01:54:49,900 --> 01:54:52,350 the seventh circuit court of appeals reversed the case. 2639 01:54:52,350 --> 01:54:55,805 - He found that the, any of our actions were provoked 2640 01:54:55,805 --> 01:54:58,660 by the actions of the judge and the prosecutors. 2641 01:54:58,660 --> 01:55:01,049 - It put justice itself, really, 2642 01:55:01,049 --> 01:55:04,780 in the history of the United States of America on trial. 2643 01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:07,976 ♪ So your brothers bound and gagged ♪ 2644 01:55:07,976 --> 01:55:10,829 ♪ And they've chained him to a chair ♪ 2645 01:55:10,829 --> 01:55:13,470 ♪ Won't you please come to Chicago ♪ 2646 01:55:13,470 --> 01:55:15,720 - The significance of the trial is that it showed, I think, 2647 01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:19,630 for the first time how ingenious defendants 2648 01:55:19,630 --> 01:55:23,340 can use the courtroom to get their point across 2649 01:55:23,340 --> 01:55:26,120 and not to be afraid of authority. 2650 01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:27,060 - It's lonely out there. 2651 01:55:27,060 --> 01:55:29,250 It's lonely when you stand on the corner 2652 01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:31,720 and say the emperor's got no clothes. 2653 01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:33,020 There's a whole bunch of people 2654 01:55:33,020 --> 01:55:34,780 that wanna come along and say, 2655 01:55:34,780 --> 01:55:36,520 there's an easier way to do this. 2656 01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:38,710 - I got married. 2657 01:55:38,710 --> 01:55:41,420 I have two kids, three dogs. 2658 01:55:41,420 --> 01:55:42,943 Seat in the state legislature. 2659 01:55:45,010 --> 01:55:46,870 And I still miss the old days. 2660 01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:49,600 - The sense that you can be young your whole life 2661 01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,900 is happens to be a true statement 2662 01:55:51,900 --> 01:55:54,110 and I think along the way we lost touch 2663 01:55:54,110 --> 01:55:57,320 with some of those values and perhaps, 2664 01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:02,310 perhaps it's not too late to find the best of that time. 2665 01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:04,750 - I think one has to be an activist for justice 2666 01:56:04,750 --> 01:56:08,950 if when it believes in peace that you can't get rid of war 2667 01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:13,210 without getting rid of the causes of war. 2668 01:56:13,210 --> 01:56:16,770 - I would hope my children do their political work 2669 01:56:16,770 --> 01:56:18,850 even better than I did mine. 2670 01:56:18,850 --> 01:56:19,900 And I'm doing mine now. 2671 01:56:19,900 --> 01:56:24,400 - It was a very good time in which to live 2672 01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:27,910 because you really felt that you were living for something 2673 01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:29,660 that was very meaningful and very real. 2674 01:56:29,660 --> 01:56:31,290 And I still feel the same way. 2675 01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:35,230 - I would describe myself now as a entrepreneur, 2676 01:56:35,230 --> 01:56:37,580 as a business person, 2677 01:56:37,580 --> 01:56:42,100 as someone who's as confused politically 2678 01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:44,273 as I was certainly in the 60s. 2679 01:56:44,273 --> 01:56:48,890 - I'll be a barbecuing, muscle bound, PhD, 2680 01:56:48,890 --> 01:56:51,940 political scientist whose published several books, 2681 01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:53,980 still rapping to brothers and sisters 2682 01:56:53,980 --> 01:56:56,993 being energetic about myself as a good human being, 2683 01:56:56,993 --> 01:57:00,210 trying to live as long as WB Dubois did. 2684 01:57:00,210 --> 01:57:04,370 - The notion that dedication to principle 2685 01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:11,700 is the basis upon which a life should be built 2686 01:57:12,850 --> 01:57:15,320 and that these eight people 2687 01:57:16,460 --> 01:57:18,710 for a particular period of time did that 2688 01:57:20,197 --> 01:57:22,743 and fought hard, took risks, 2689 01:57:23,620 --> 01:57:27,073 and were ultimately vindicated as being right. 2690 01:57:27,073 --> 01:57:28,332 ♪ Freedom ♪ 2691 01:57:28,332 --> 01:57:29,174 ♪ It's time ♪ 2692 01:57:29,174 --> 01:57:30,737 ♪ Let them that it's all right ♪ 2693 01:57:30,737 --> 01:57:31,930 ♪ It's time ♪ 2694 01:57:31,930 --> 01:57:34,877 ♪ Who's the regulator who needs them ♪ 2695 01:57:34,877 --> 01:57:37,143 ♪ Ooh ooh ♪ 2696 01:57:37,143 --> 01:57:40,060 ♪ Open up the door ♪205369

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