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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,836 --> 00:00:04,671 Back in 1856, 2 00:00:04,704 --> 00:00:07,140 this British Guiana stamp was worth one penny, 3 00:00:07,173 --> 00:00:12,212 and in 1970 it was bought for $284,000. 4 00:00:12,245 --> 00:00:14,514 Today, this one-of-a-kind was sold again, 5 00:00:14,547 --> 00:00:16,216 and as Gerald Harrington reports, 6 00:00:16,249 --> 00:00:18,118 it was for a whole lot more than that. 7 00:00:18,151 --> 00:00:19,719 [Harrington] The stamp auction drew nearly 8 00:00:19,753 --> 00:00:21,755 a thousand collectors and investors, 9 00:00:21,788 --> 00:00:25,558 and bidding was brisk on most of the 424 lots auctioned off. 10 00:00:25,592 --> 00:00:28,495 The stamp that promised to draw the most attention and money 11 00:00:28,528 --> 00:00:31,765 was the one-of-a-kind British Guiana one-center. 12 00:00:31,798 --> 00:00:36,603 Pennsylvania collector Irwin Weinberg paid a record $280,000 13 00:00:36,636 --> 00:00:38,872 for the British Guiana ten years ago. 14 00:00:38,905 --> 00:00:41,341 He said he bought it as a hedge against inflation 15 00:00:41,374 --> 00:00:43,209 and that inflation is here. 16 00:00:43,243 --> 00:00:45,111 As the sale drew near, 17 00:00:45,145 --> 00:00:47,881 Weinberg was philosophical about parting with his stamp. 18 00:00:47,914 --> 00:00:50,517 A postage stamp is not a human being. 19 00:00:50,550 --> 00:00:54,387 And uh, you really have to be reasonable, 20 00:00:54,421 --> 00:00:56,389 and you've had your pleasure. 21 00:00:56,423 --> 00:00:58,291 And, uh, who knows? 22 00:00:58,324 --> 00:01:00,260 Uh, I'm not, I'm not young, but I'm not really old. 23 00:01:00,293 --> 00:01:03,129 It's not impossible that someday I might own it again. 24 00:01:14,474 --> 00:01:16,376 [man] I think that in a lifetime, 25 00:01:16,409 --> 00:01:19,345 if you have more than one great idea, 26 00:01:22,482 --> 00:01:24,951 uh, you'd probably go down as a genius. 27 00:01:28,822 --> 00:01:31,257 I only ever had one great idea. 28 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:35,562 That was it. 29 00:01:37,964 --> 00:01:40,333 [music plays] 30 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,302 [Neil Steinberg] The idea of stamps is that they were 31 00:02:49,335 --> 00:02:51,638 your introduction to the world, 32 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:55,642 And that great men-- 33 00:02:55,675 --> 00:03:00,013 you know, Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a stamp collector. 34 00:03:00,046 --> 00:03:03,283 The vibrant activity of active men 35 00:03:03,316 --> 00:03:06,319 when they weren't traveling the world, climbing peaks, 36 00:03:06,352 --> 00:03:09,489 we're collecting stamps from the great nations. 37 00:03:09,522 --> 00:03:13,660 I think it speaks to the yearning 38 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:15,828 for the past that people have. 39 00:03:32,645 --> 00:03:37,517 When I started, I was a little boy in Berea, Ohio, you know, in the '60s, 40 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:39,419 and you go to Woolworth's and they have those packages, 41 00:03:39,452 --> 00:03:41,054 you know, 500 stamps of the world or whatever, 42 00:03:41,087 --> 00:03:43,356 and you start to get them and sort them 43 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:45,291 and see the ones you like, 44 00:03:45,325 --> 00:03:48,394 and you have the big generic book of world stamps. 45 00:03:48,428 --> 00:03:50,563 You get your little hinges and you put them in, 46 00:03:50,597 --> 00:03:51,998 and it's a very controlled task. 47 00:03:52,031 --> 00:03:53,600 And when you think about being, 48 00:03:53,633 --> 00:03:55,668 let's say eight or nine years old, 49 00:03:55,702 --> 00:03:57,937 there's not a lot of worlds that you can control, really. 50 00:03:57,971 --> 00:04:00,073 Your life is in someone else's hands, 51 00:04:00,106 --> 00:04:03,042 you go to school, and so it's, it's, it's the first 52 00:04:03,076 --> 00:04:04,811 sort of private, interior life 53 00:04:04,844 --> 00:04:08,548 that a child can have, at least for me. 54 00:04:08,581 --> 00:04:10,383 And as I got to be 10 and 12, 55 00:04:10,416 --> 00:04:12,485 I would then go off to the department stores, 56 00:04:12,518 --> 00:04:14,821 which in Cleveland were May Company and Higbee's and Halle's, 57 00:04:14,854 --> 00:04:16,923 and they had these wonderful stamp departments. 58 00:04:16,956 --> 00:04:19,425 [news reporter] What's the product? It's one that holds 59 00:04:19,459 --> 00:04:22,562 enrapturing fascination for the more than 12,000,000 Americans 60 00:04:22,595 --> 00:04:26,599 who enjoy the nation's most popular hobby, stamp collecting. 61 00:04:26,633 --> 00:04:30,570 So avidly do these hobbyists pursue their avocation that 62 00:04:30,603 --> 00:04:33,473 a whole industry has developed for the purpose of cataloging, 63 00:04:33,506 --> 00:04:36,009 expertizing, reporting, buying, selling 64 00:04:36,042 --> 00:04:39,479 and otherwise dealing in or with posting stamps. 65 00:04:39,512 --> 00:04:42,582 I was always very daunted by the expanse of it. 66 00:04:42,615 --> 00:04:44,517 I was never going to buy, I didn't have a ton of money. 67 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:46,619 I'm a child, right? I had a paper route. 68 00:04:46,653 --> 00:04:48,554 But, at the time, it was this wonderful place where you can 69 00:04:48,588 --> 00:04:51,457 pay money and get these stamps that you saw in Scott's 70 00:04:51,491 --> 00:04:53,493 that was so wonderful to have, 71 00:04:53,526 --> 00:04:56,029 and you would aspire to that and that's why you were working. 72 00:04:58,064 --> 00:05:01,601 My grandfather, Sam, was a sign painter in the Bronx, 73 00:05:01,634 --> 00:05:03,936 and he had the storied, at least in my family, 74 00:05:03,970 --> 00:05:07,540 stamp collection with sheets of Winged Globes 75 00:05:07,573 --> 00:05:10,510 and things that he'd collected in New York in the '20s and '30s 76 00:05:10,543 --> 00:05:12,745 that was sold after he died. 77 00:05:12,779 --> 00:05:15,548 And it was sort of the original sin of my family 78 00:05:15,581 --> 00:05:19,152 that my vile Uncle Morty sold my grandfather's stamp collection 79 00:05:19,185 --> 00:05:24,123 to pay for his son's crass Waldorf Astoria bar mitzvah in 1964. 80 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:26,893 And the funny thing is, there were parts of that collection 81 00:05:26,926 --> 00:05:29,495 that weren't-- literally, weren't nice enough to sell, 82 00:05:29,529 --> 00:05:33,399 and somehow found their way to me in big sorts of envelopes. 83 00:05:33,433 --> 00:05:35,635 And so I had these first-day covers from 84 00:05:35,668 --> 00:05:37,937 the Famous American Series of 1940, 85 00:05:37,970 --> 00:05:40,573 the whole set of them. And they were nice, 86 00:05:40,606 --> 00:05:42,875 and they just weren't extraordinarily valuable. 87 00:05:42,909 --> 00:05:45,878 The major thing I did was I collected Israeli First Day Covers, 88 00:05:45,912 --> 00:05:48,014 because I grew up, you know, in '67, 89 00:05:48,047 --> 00:05:50,650 the big war, the Six Day War. 90 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:54,787 And so, uh, Israeli covers not only have a cache in the corner, 91 00:05:54,821 --> 00:05:56,656 like a First Day cover would have here, 92 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:58,891 but Israeli stamps have a little tab, 93 00:05:58,925 --> 00:06:01,494 like a decorative tab along the bottom, 94 00:06:01,527 --> 00:06:03,663 and so you would have these tabs stamps on their cover. 95 00:06:03,696 --> 00:06:05,965 And there was... I always liked covers because you could 96 00:06:05,998 --> 00:06:08,501 see more of the history of the stamps. 97 00:06:08,534 --> 00:06:10,670 Somehow when the stamp was by itself on an album, 98 00:06:10,703 --> 00:06:13,473 it seemed kind of lost and alone. 99 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:42,468 Part of stamp collecting is the thrill of communications, 100 00:06:42,502 --> 00:06:46,105 in the sense that this was how messages were conveyed, 101 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:47,940 and these messages had gone aboard 102 00:06:47,974 --> 00:06:49,942 the Macon or the Graph Zeppelin. 103 00:06:49,976 --> 00:06:52,512 I love Zeppelin's as a child, I didn't own any. 104 00:06:52,545 --> 00:06:55,248 The only Zeppelin stamps I had with those cheap Germans stamps 105 00:06:55,281 --> 00:06:56,983 that they had, Zeppelin series. 106 00:06:57,016 --> 00:06:58,818 But, of course, I always aspired 107 00:06:58,851 --> 00:07:01,521 to the three American air mail Zeppelin stamps, 108 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:03,890 the 65 cent, the $1.30, and the 2.60. 109 00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:05,925 You never forget this stuff. 110 00:07:05,958 --> 00:07:09,061 And I would look through Linn's Stamp News, I was a subscriber, 111 00:07:09,095 --> 00:07:11,564 and it just was like this whole little, you know-- 112 00:07:11,597 --> 00:07:13,499 I was delivering papers, and I was taking the money, 113 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:15,501 and I was buying stamps and coins with them. 114 00:07:15,535 --> 00:07:18,971 I was never like a value guy where I was trying to, uh, 115 00:07:19,005 --> 00:07:21,741 where I was trying to get the most expensive stamps 116 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,709 and have them appreciate it and all that sort of stuff. 117 00:07:23,743 --> 00:07:25,645 That wasn't what I was trying to do as a child. 118 00:07:25,678 --> 00:07:28,781 I was trying to scratch my itch to get the stamps 119 00:07:28,815 --> 00:07:30,616 that I could get my hands on. 120 00:07:30,650 --> 00:07:32,251 If you had tapped me on the shoulder 121 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:34,620 and asked me what I was doing, 122 00:07:34,654 --> 00:07:37,757 I guess I would say that I was a stamp collector, 123 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:39,792 and I was building my collection. 124 00:08:05,284 --> 00:08:07,787 It became a sign of elder-hood, 125 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:11,791 of some infirm guy in his shawl with his tongs, you know, 126 00:08:11,824 --> 00:08:13,559 tending to his fixation. 127 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:16,128 When you look at images and advertising, 128 00:08:16,162 --> 00:08:17,964 I don't think you ever see someone collecting stamps. 129 00:08:17,997 --> 00:08:20,700 It's not a positive image, which is a shame. 130 00:08:20,733 --> 00:08:23,302 You know, I write a column four days a week, 131 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:27,006 and, uh, and... it, uh... 132 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:28,274 and it didn't print out the second one. 133 00:08:28,307 --> 00:08:29,909 I can just tell you about it. 134 00:08:29,942 --> 00:08:31,344 It used to be a full page where 135 00:08:31,377 --> 00:08:33,246 I would have different things in. 136 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:35,047 So I comment on the passing stories of the day, 137 00:08:35,081 --> 00:08:37,083 and what happened is the USPS, 138 00:08:37,116 --> 00:08:39,352 in a desperate attempt to keep afloat, 139 00:08:39,385 --> 00:08:41,988 basically said that you can put anything you want on a stamp. 140 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:43,723 You can have your picture taken, 141 00:08:43,756 --> 00:08:45,791 you can put your dog there and print it out 142 00:08:45,825 --> 00:08:47,894 and it's a real good U.S. postage, and you stick it in. 143 00:08:47,927 --> 00:08:49,996 And I kind of just said it was-- 144 00:08:50,029 --> 00:08:51,964 The headline was "Department of Bartered Dignity," 145 00:08:51,998 --> 00:08:55,001 where you know, if the idea was that this-- 146 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:57,637 Why does being on a stamp mean anything? 147 00:08:57,670 --> 00:08:59,338 Well, it's, it's, it's an honor, 148 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:01,874 and if anyone can do it, it kind of fits in perfectly 149 00:09:01,908 --> 00:09:05,778 with the "prizes for everyone" aspect of modern life has sadly had. 150 00:09:05,811 --> 00:09:09,682 It seemed to be eating the seed corn of the interest in stamps. 151 00:09:09,715 --> 00:09:12,218 Okay, if stamps, in part, are interesting because 152 00:09:12,251 --> 00:09:13,953 what the government chooses 153 00:09:13,986 --> 00:09:15,988 to put on a stamp signifies something, 154 00:09:16,022 --> 00:09:17,723 well, if anyone can put anything on a stamp, 155 00:09:17,757 --> 00:09:19,191 that probably signifies something, too, 156 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:20,826 but not something good. 157 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:22,728 And how could you collect them? 158 00:09:22,762 --> 00:09:25,398 You only have 24 hours in a day that never expands. 159 00:09:25,431 --> 00:09:27,633 And when you look at the demands on people... 160 00:09:27,667 --> 00:09:31,070 that my kid can sit down and learn to fly and pilot his, 161 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:34,874 you know, his plane on an enormous beautiful TV 162 00:09:34,907 --> 00:09:36,375 and spend all day doing that, 163 00:09:36,409 --> 00:09:38,411 or playing basketball, which he does, 164 00:09:38,444 --> 00:09:40,413 and just say, "Hey, no, no, no, no, 165 00:09:40,446 --> 00:09:44,684 there's a basketball series of stamps that Malta did in 1974," 166 00:09:44,717 --> 00:09:48,020 that just doesn't work anymore, you know. 167 00:09:48,054 --> 00:09:50,222 So, I can't sit here and say to you, 168 00:09:50,256 --> 00:09:54,360 well, stamps are this fabulous porthole into the world 169 00:09:54,393 --> 00:09:56,429 that people should have returned to when there's 170 00:09:56,462 --> 00:09:59,699 so much more effective porthole that they are turning to. 171 00:09:59,732 --> 00:10:01,968 You don't have to force them at all. 172 00:10:02,001 --> 00:10:04,403 I do think that when we're learning with the death of newspapers 173 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:06,238 that, you know, the things we thought were vital 174 00:10:06,272 --> 00:10:08,641 turned out to be just expendable activities. 175 00:10:13,079 --> 00:10:15,381 I don't want to over romanticize things, 176 00:10:15,414 --> 00:10:19,018 so I don't think that if this, if this hobby fades, 177 00:10:19,051 --> 00:10:20,753 that it's going to represent 178 00:10:20,786 --> 00:10:24,123 some sort of signal lost to humanity. 179 00:10:30,863 --> 00:10:36,202 [Douglas Weisz] I would be crushed if there weren't stamp shows anymore, 180 00:10:36,235 --> 00:10:38,070 or organized philately, 181 00:10:38,104 --> 00:10:40,106 or the American Philatelic Society. 182 00:10:40,139 --> 00:10:44,910 Philately and postal history and the mail tells our history. 183 00:10:44,944 --> 00:10:47,279 We're missing just yet another opportunity 184 00:10:47,313 --> 00:10:50,449 to learn something and connect with each other 185 00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:52,351 if... if it disappears. 186 00:10:52,385 --> 00:10:55,254 I really think it matters a lot to a lot of people. 187 00:10:57,089 --> 00:10:58,858 It matters to me. 188 00:11:22,281 --> 00:11:25,151 Before you had stamps, you would write your letter, 189 00:11:25,184 --> 00:11:27,386 and you would fold it up 190 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:29,321 and then you take another piece of paper 191 00:11:29,355 --> 00:11:31,924 and you would cover up that letter 192 00:11:31,957 --> 00:11:34,994 and seal it with a wax seal. 193 00:11:35,027 --> 00:11:37,029 You could send them prepaid, 194 00:11:37,063 --> 00:11:39,999 or you could send them postage due, 195 00:11:40,032 --> 00:11:43,002 and the receiver could refuse it 196 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:46,038 but would pay for the postage rate. 197 00:11:46,072 --> 00:11:48,541 So the first envelope was in the 1830s, 198 00:11:48,574 --> 00:11:50,843 um, and they weren't widely used 199 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:54,013 because if you use two pieces of paper 200 00:11:54,046 --> 00:11:56,015 in the beginning it was more money. 201 00:11:56,048 --> 00:12:02,021 History and stamp collecting are intertwined inextricably. 202 00:12:02,054 --> 00:12:05,858 Without history, 203 00:12:05,891 --> 00:12:08,360 you can't really be interested in stamps, 204 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:11,464 and stamps tell our history. 205 00:12:11,497 --> 00:12:14,500 The most fabulous piece of postal history 206 00:12:14,533 --> 00:12:18,437 that I personally have ever handled was a stamped letter 207 00:12:18,471 --> 00:12:23,542 from Samuel Maverick to his son Nathaniel in Barbados in 1651. 208 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:26,378 The first known letter from the Colonies outbound 209 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:29,515 and the first known letter inbound to Barbados. 210 00:12:29,548 --> 00:12:32,218 Maverick, the first settler of Boston, 211 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:34,286 had the first home on Noodle Island, 212 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,921 which is now Logan Airport. 213 00:12:35,955 --> 00:12:38,090 The saying, "He's quite a maverick," 214 00:12:38,124 --> 00:12:41,193 comes from Samuel Maverick. 215 00:12:41,227 --> 00:12:44,396 It's awe-inspiring, actually, 216 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:48,067 to hold history like that in your hands. 217 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:52,505 I feel like a custodian of these things, not an owner, 218 00:12:52,538 --> 00:12:55,441 and it's a responsibility, 219 00:12:55,474 --> 00:12:57,943 it's a huge responsibility to handle that. 220 00:12:57,977 --> 00:13:01,514 It's why people collect stamps and covers. 221 00:13:01,547 --> 00:13:05,117 It's to learn about our history. 222 00:13:05,151 --> 00:13:07,086 I'm really into New Orleans, 223 00:13:07,119 --> 00:13:10,489 so the more kind of things that you show on your cover 224 00:13:10,523 --> 00:13:15,094 that make me feel like I'm here, the happier I am. 225 00:13:15,127 --> 00:13:18,297 This is a two-sided cover 226 00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:21,233 from the Roosevelt Hotel in the '60s. 227 00:13:21,267 --> 00:13:26,238 I think this was a $10 purchase, but on the back of this cover, 228 00:13:26,272 --> 00:13:28,874 you see fishing in Lake Pontchartrain on the Gulf, 229 00:13:28,908 --> 00:13:31,377 here's a swordfish, horse racing, 230 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:33,913 the Sazerac Bar, which was very famous. 231 00:13:33,946 --> 00:13:36,415 Of course Mardi Gras festival right here, 232 00:13:36,448 --> 00:13:39,185 and there's their hotel right there, the Roosevelt. 233 00:13:39,218 --> 00:13:41,086 The Sugar Bowl, 234 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,155 New Orleans is famous for the Sugar Bowl even today. 235 00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:45,224 And this is back in the '60s. 236 00:13:45,257 --> 00:13:51,096 You have a whole a history and a display of New Orleans 237 00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:54,066 on one... on one cover. 238 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:09,648 I have no family, um, really. 239 00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:12,585 Not that they're not alive, I just have no family. 240 00:14:12,618 --> 00:14:15,921 It's given me a community that has become my friends 241 00:14:15,955 --> 00:14:18,524 and people that mean a lot to me. 242 00:14:18,557 --> 00:14:20,192 I learned about what they were collecting. 243 00:14:20,226 --> 00:14:22,127 I learned about them, 244 00:14:22,161 --> 00:14:24,597 and they were willing to share their lives with me, 245 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:29,001 so they've really become my... my community. 246 00:14:29,034 --> 00:14:31,437 I'm really worried without things like philately 247 00:14:31,470 --> 00:14:33,572 and euchre night on Tuesdays, 248 00:14:33,606 --> 00:14:36,108 that we're losing something, 249 00:14:36,141 --> 00:14:39,545 we're losing our culture here in the United States, 250 00:14:39,578 --> 00:14:41,647 and I don't think you can replace that 251 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,617 with Facebook or Twitter or any of that. 252 00:14:44,650 --> 00:14:47,553 I think that our lack of connection to each other 253 00:14:47,586 --> 00:14:52,458 is breeding fear and anger and misunderstanding. 254 00:14:52,491 --> 00:14:54,293 People don't go to stamp shows 255 00:14:54,326 --> 00:14:56,662 to collect the things that you find there. 256 00:14:56,695 --> 00:15:00,966 They go to stamp shows to get together, to be social. 257 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,503 I think it just gives everyone a familiarity, 258 00:15:04,536 --> 00:15:06,438 something in common, 259 00:15:06,472 --> 00:15:09,608 a jumping-off point so that they can have a community. 260 00:15:09,642 --> 00:15:11,977 I think we need more community, 261 00:15:12,011 --> 00:15:14,113 and I think philately is perfect. 262 00:15:14,146 --> 00:15:15,948 [music plays] 263 00:15:19,718 --> 00:15:23,055 [news reporter] Crowds of philatelists, stamp collectors to you, 264 00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:25,357 attend the annual show of the Michigan Stamp Club. 265 00:15:25,391 --> 00:15:28,627 Among them these two winners of the World's Fair beauty contests. 266 00:15:28,661 --> 00:15:30,529 They wanted to get posted on postage, 267 00:15:30,562 --> 00:15:33,232 that is, valuable postage like this. 268 00:15:33,265 --> 00:15:35,668 [music plays] 269 00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:23,549 [Jim Forte] I don't know why I collect, 270 00:16:23,582 --> 00:16:26,785 and I don't know why anybody collects. 271 00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:17,302 When I got started, it was in the middle of the 1960s, 272 00:17:17,336 --> 00:17:21,206 and the world was a much larger place than it is now. 273 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,709 Probably my earliest collecting memories 274 00:17:23,742 --> 00:17:27,646 is my father used to have a giant jug of change, 275 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:30,783 and back in the days when you were five and six years old 276 00:17:30,816 --> 00:17:33,452 and you'd get up at 7:00 or 6:00 in the morning, 277 00:17:33,485 --> 00:17:35,687 I would sometimes go take that jar of change 278 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:38,457 and put all the coins in date order, 279 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:41,493 and so you clearly, you know, you clearly 280 00:17:41,527 --> 00:17:44,396 have that kind of mentality, you know? 281 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:48,667 There's definitely a collecting gene, a collecting personality, 282 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:51,403 and so, you know, stamps seem to fill it in. 283 00:17:51,437 --> 00:17:55,474 And it really fulfilled the need to make order out of chaos. 284 00:17:55,507 --> 00:17:58,710 And a friend of mine had a collection, 285 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:00,612 and I remember looking at his stamps, 286 00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:03,482 and especially looking at some of the, you know, 287 00:18:03,515 --> 00:18:05,684 engraved British Commonwealth stamps 288 00:18:05,717 --> 00:18:08,387 from places like Malta and Cyprus, 289 00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:10,722 and it just seemed so exotic. 290 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,825 I got an album and I got 291 00:18:12,858 --> 00:18:16,361 a H.E. Harris big bag of worldwide stamps 292 00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:19,498 and was flummoxed on how to get them off of the paper. 293 00:18:19,531 --> 00:18:22,701 I mean, it was a big learning experience. 294 00:18:22,734 --> 00:18:26,338 H.E. Harris sent out this colorful flyer 295 00:18:26,371 --> 00:18:28,774 for this citation album, 296 00:18:28,807 --> 00:18:32,744 and they showed this and it was open to a page of Angola 297 00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:35,848 where they had dozens of these colorful stamps. 298 00:18:35,881 --> 00:18:38,383 And you know, there was no point at that time 299 00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:41,687 where I could afford that album or those stamps, 300 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,223 and I would look at it, and they always just... 301 00:18:44,256 --> 00:18:45,691 just sort of liked them. 302 00:18:45,724 --> 00:18:47,426 I mean, it just filled a special place. 303 00:18:47,459 --> 00:18:49,595 And I don't know why. 304 00:18:51,897 --> 00:18:53,966 H.E. Harris published a great amount 305 00:18:53,999 --> 00:18:55,801 of number of things on collecting, 306 00:18:55,834 --> 00:18:57,536 and one of the things they suggested 307 00:18:57,569 --> 00:18:59,571 was forming a stamp club. 308 00:18:59,605 --> 00:19:02,307 Well, the problem is I might have known 10 or 20 people, 309 00:19:02,341 --> 00:19:04,910 and there might have been one or two stamp collectors. 310 00:19:04,943 --> 00:19:09,414 So that really didn't make it feasible to start a stamp club. 311 00:19:09,448 --> 00:19:13,819 So, it wasn't very, it wasn't-- it was never a social thing. 312 00:19:13,852 --> 00:19:19,258 I mean, it was definitely something that I did on my own. 313 00:19:19,291 --> 00:19:22,327 I've always been someone who was more to themselves, 314 00:19:22,361 --> 00:19:25,597 and stamps worked well on a solitary basis. 315 00:19:25,631 --> 00:19:28,467 I mean, I didn't do too much with it 316 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,302 for the years I was in college. 317 00:19:30,335 --> 00:19:32,337 Well, that's not true. 318 00:19:32,371 --> 00:19:34,406 I got back into it after a couple years when I realized 319 00:19:34,439 --> 00:19:37,476 college was a lot easier than everybody said it was gonna be. 320 00:19:37,509 --> 00:19:39,778 But I always assumed I'd be doing something else. 321 00:19:39,811 --> 00:19:42,414 It would be like most people, would be a hobby business, 322 00:19:42,447 --> 00:19:44,249 but when I tried to make it in the real world, 323 00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:46,552 I found out I wasn't very successful. 324 00:20:06,538 --> 00:20:08,707 After, you know, running through 325 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:10,475 a whole series of different jobs, 326 00:20:10,509 --> 00:20:14,279 each one less successful than the last, 327 00:20:14,313 --> 00:20:17,382 what was left was buying and selling stamps. 328 00:20:17,416 --> 00:20:19,384 I mean, the service businesses is very difficult. 329 00:20:19,418 --> 00:20:21,486 You know, unless you're the kind of-- 330 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,389 unless you're a good salesman of yourself and of your service. 331 00:20:24,423 --> 00:20:27,326 A business where you're selling product, 332 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,328 I mean, the bottom line is, 333 00:20:29,361 --> 00:20:31,496 that you're selling the same product as everybody else. 334 00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:34,433 It becomes difficult to differentiate yourself. 335 00:20:34,466 --> 00:20:36,301 And quite frankly, what I've always seen 336 00:20:36,335 --> 00:20:38,537 is the people that are successful 337 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,640 are the people that other people want to do business with. 338 00:20:41,673 --> 00:20:43,875 I remember once I tried looking up-- 339 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:46,812 I had some spare time, and I did a Google search 340 00:20:46,845 --> 00:20:48,747 on this psychology of collecting. 341 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:54,720 Turns out that all I saw was, you know, was, um... 342 00:20:54,753 --> 00:20:57,889 What's the right word? Uh... 343 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:01,026 It was only about people who had problems. 344 00:21:01,059 --> 00:21:05,497 So it wasn't very pleasant to read that. [laughing] 345 00:21:13,805 --> 00:21:16,608 [indistinct chatting] 346 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,916 I'm not what you would call a "people person", 347 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:29,588 There's no question that there is such a thing as emotional intelligence, 348 00:21:29,621 --> 00:21:31,523 and mine is pretty low, 349 00:21:31,556 --> 00:21:33,558 But at the end of the day, 350 00:21:33,592 --> 00:21:35,594 what's nice is when you're dealing with the collectible, 351 00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:38,964 when the product is what's important 352 00:21:38,997 --> 00:21:42,601 and it differentiates you from the next person, 353 00:21:42,634 --> 00:21:45,370 you know, it allows you to overcome 354 00:21:45,404 --> 00:21:48,640 your lack of emotional intelligence. 355 00:21:48,674 --> 00:21:52,411 It makes a person feel good to have these items 356 00:21:52,444 --> 00:21:54,946 and to have these items in this particular order, 357 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:58,850 or to have the items, you know, in a particular manner. 358 00:21:58,884 --> 00:22:00,585 The, you know, to find my-- 359 00:22:00,619 --> 00:22:03,622 I think I don't-- How can you tell... 360 00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:07,526 It's hard to suggest what particular emotion a person gets, 361 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,630 but there's no question that the collecting gene, 362 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:14,833 you know, is an emotional gene. 363 00:22:14,866 --> 00:22:17,869 I never get tired of talking about stamps or Zeppelins 364 00:22:17,903 --> 00:22:20,639 or the people in the hobby or stamp shows 365 00:22:20,672 --> 00:22:23,075 or where I've been or anything else 366 00:22:23,108 --> 00:22:24,976 that relates to stamps and mail. 367 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:27,579 [music plays] 368 00:22:58,910 --> 00:23:00,879 My mother always tells the story: 369 00:23:00,912 --> 00:23:03,515 I didn't play with dolls in the traditional way. 370 00:23:03,548 --> 00:23:05,117 Instead I lined them up on a shelf, 371 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:07,085 and every day I rearranged them. 372 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,088 I collected coins with pennies and looked for dates. 373 00:23:10,122 --> 00:23:13,225 I collected stamps, put them in a box, collected sea shells. 374 00:23:13,258 --> 00:23:15,460 I just collected everything, 375 00:23:15,494 --> 00:23:18,697 and as I would go to various places where I could buy things, 376 00:23:18,730 --> 00:23:20,232 coin shows, stamp shows, 377 00:23:20,265 --> 00:23:22,701 antique shows, flea markets, whatever, 378 00:23:22,734 --> 00:23:25,904 what I found was the exhibitors were always the dealers, 379 00:23:25,937 --> 00:23:28,106 except when I went to a stamp show. 380 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:31,143 At a stamp show, the collector was the exhibitor. 381 00:23:31,176 --> 00:23:33,545 They could put their stuff on display, 382 00:23:33,578 --> 00:23:35,814 and that's what really excited me. 383 00:23:35,847 --> 00:23:37,816 When I was a teenager, 384 00:23:37,849 --> 00:23:39,885 my grandfather gave me some photographs of Zeppelins. 385 00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:41,920 I had no idea what a Zeppelin was. 386 00:23:41,953 --> 00:23:44,556 First thing I did was I went to the public library, 387 00:23:44,589 --> 00:23:48,693 and I looked up a very classic book about the Graf Zeppelin, 388 00:23:48,727 --> 00:23:50,629 and I just read it so eagerly, 389 00:23:50,662 --> 00:23:52,731 and I just was amazed 390 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,801 that this entire part of history existed, 391 00:23:55,834 --> 00:23:57,869 and I didn't know anything about it. 392 00:23:57,903 --> 00:24:00,806 So I started to look for everything I could about Zeppelins. 393 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,776 And of course I'm on a teenager budget, so what could I find? 394 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:06,711 I could find some picture postcards, 395 00:24:06,745 --> 00:24:08,914 could find a couple inexpensive stamps, 396 00:24:08,947 --> 00:24:11,917 I could find an occasional, maybe, bookmark 397 00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,286 or something that wasn't too costly, 398 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:18,990 but every piece I've found added to this bigger, growing story. 399 00:24:19,024 --> 00:24:22,761 And when I found out that they carried mail, 400 00:24:22,794 --> 00:24:25,096 and I actually bought my first piece of mail 401 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:27,098 for a couple of dollars and held it in my hands, 402 00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:29,768 it was the first time I held something 403 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:31,736 that had been on a Zeppelin, 404 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:34,039 and it just, just grabbed me 405 00:24:34,072 --> 00:24:36,641 and it's held me tight ever since. 406 00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:55,093 And perhaps the highlight moment 407 00:24:55,126 --> 00:24:57,028 when I was only, like, 21 years old 408 00:24:57,062 --> 00:24:58,763 is I bought a piece of mail 409 00:24:58,797 --> 00:25:01,600 that survived the crash of the Hindenburg, 410 00:25:01,633 --> 00:25:04,336 and it was like a major, major acquisition 411 00:25:04,369 --> 00:25:06,137 at that stage in my life. 412 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:08,740 When many people are out looking to buy a car, 413 00:25:08,773 --> 00:25:11,109 I was looking to buy a piece of mail from the Hindenburg. 414 00:25:13,678 --> 00:25:16,982 There were over 17,000 pieces of mail on the Hindenburg. 415 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:18,884 After the disaster, 416 00:25:18,917 --> 00:25:22,254 they've found only about 200 burnt pieces of mail 417 00:25:22,287 --> 00:25:24,356 that survived in the wreckage, 418 00:25:24,389 --> 00:25:27,826 and they put their hands in and they grabbed those out 419 00:25:27,859 --> 00:25:29,728 and then they sorted through them 420 00:25:29,761 --> 00:25:32,831 and made lists of the people who are the addressees, 421 00:25:32,864 --> 00:25:34,699 and then they had to figure out, 422 00:25:34,733 --> 00:25:36,668 how are we going to return this to these people? 423 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:39,037 And then they went back and found a few more pieces. 424 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:41,306 So these burnt pieces of mail 425 00:25:41,339 --> 00:25:45,143 that survived the first disaster ever caught on film 426 00:25:45,176 --> 00:25:48,880 are just among the greatest treasures in our hobby. 427 00:25:57,255 --> 00:26:01,192 So I actually started out buying, for several dollars, 428 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:03,862 uh, pieces of mail when other people might have 429 00:26:03,895 --> 00:26:07,766 spent that couple dollars to buy a thousand stamps in a packet. 430 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,869 Later, I actually started some stamp albums, 431 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:13,872 because what I found was when I was meeting other philatelists, 432 00:26:13,905 --> 00:26:17,108 they were so engrossed with their stamp albums, 433 00:26:17,142 --> 00:26:19,177 they kind of motivated me. 434 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,248 For me, stamps have opened the door. 435 00:26:23,281 --> 00:26:26,885 When I travel worldwide, I meet such exciting people, 436 00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:30,121 I don't know how I could ever meet these people in my life 437 00:26:30,155 --> 00:26:32,123 if it wasn't through philately. 438 00:26:32,157 --> 00:26:35,060 And I can actually go to a stamp show in a foreign country 439 00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:37,162 and know over a hundred people, 440 00:26:37,195 --> 00:26:39,197 and they invite me into their homes. 441 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:42,167 I get all kinds of experiences in life. 442 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,903 It's that getting off the beaten track 443 00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:46,838 and having the exposure to things 444 00:26:46,871 --> 00:26:48,974 that you just don't even know are there. 445 00:26:49,007 --> 00:26:50,909 You can't even put them on your bucket list 446 00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:53,411 because it's only through the stamps taking you there 447 00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:55,780 that you find out things even exist. 448 00:26:55,814 --> 00:26:59,784 So they have truly been a door opener for me in my life. 449 00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:03,288 I have a Ph.D. in American History, 450 00:27:03,321 --> 00:27:05,991 I have a lifelong devotion to the hobby, 451 00:27:06,024 --> 00:27:09,327 I have lifelong experience in philately, 452 00:27:09,361 --> 00:27:11,930 and all that knowledge pulled together 453 00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:15,166 made me an ideal candidate to come and be in charge 454 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,068 of our nation's stamp collection, 455 00:27:17,102 --> 00:27:19,137 as the curator of our nation's stamp collection. 456 00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:23,141 That is this collection of every citizen of the United States. 457 00:27:23,174 --> 00:27:25,143 And we have over 6,000,000 items. 458 00:27:25,176 --> 00:27:28,346 The collection is well over a hundred years old. 459 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:30,448 I'm only the tenth curator hired 460 00:27:30,482 --> 00:27:32,317 to be in charge of this collection. 461 00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:35,020 So it's a great honor, but it's great fun, 462 00:27:35,053 --> 00:27:37,022 because, you know, I get to look at like, 463 00:27:37,055 --> 00:27:38,890 6,000,000 items and say, okay, 464 00:27:38,923 --> 00:27:42,293 what here deserves to be written about, researched, 465 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:47,432 used in an exhibit, brought out to the public in new ways? 466 00:27:47,465 --> 00:27:50,402 I absolutely believe in the collector's gene. 467 00:27:50,435 --> 00:27:52,837 I also believe people can learn to collect. 468 00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:57,208 I think people can adopt their interests in a variety of ways, 469 00:27:57,242 --> 00:28:00,979 but I think there's a large group of the population 470 00:28:01,012 --> 00:28:04,115 where they are driven toward collecting. 471 00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:07,185 It's a way that they define themselves, 472 00:28:07,218 --> 00:28:09,921 but it's a way that they take the skills they have 473 00:28:09,954 --> 00:28:12,157 and the interest they have and the energy they have 474 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,993 and they channel it into one direction 475 00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:16,494 in such a positive way. 476 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,396 And the great thing in our hobby is, 477 00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:20,865 when you meet another person with this gene, 478 00:28:20,899 --> 00:28:22,901 you don't have to justify who you are, 479 00:28:22,934 --> 00:28:25,236 why you do what you do or how you do what you do, 480 00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,405 we get it right away! 481 00:28:27,439 --> 00:28:29,340 Just start, just think of something, 482 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,776 something you like, something of interest to you. 483 00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:34,012 Is it the American flag? Is it the USA? 484 00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:36,014 Have you always wanted to go to Chile? 485 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:38,850 Have you, uh, do you like tea pots? 486 00:28:38,883 --> 00:28:40,251 It doesn't matter what the subject is, 487 00:28:40,285 --> 00:28:42,020 it doesn't matter where it is, 488 00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:43,555 it doesn't matter the historical period. 489 00:28:43,588 --> 00:28:46,858 It doesn't matter, because I guarantee you 490 00:28:46,891 --> 00:28:48,960 there is something in philately for you. 491 00:28:48,993 --> 00:28:51,262 [music plays] 492 00:29:04,209 --> 00:29:06,277 It's a passion, you know, 493 00:29:06,311 --> 00:29:09,581 and if you're lucky enough in life, you'd develop a passion. 494 00:29:09,614 --> 00:29:11,316 You'll find something that you just, 495 00:29:11,349 --> 00:29:13,952 you just can't live without. 496 00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:17,489 It was my dad pretty much that got me 497 00:29:17,522 --> 00:29:19,891 into stamp collecting as a young, young boy. 498 00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:21,926 He would buy stamps for me, 499 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,596 but also he was in the Navy, so he would receive letters 500 00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:27,465 and correspondence from friends all over the world. 501 00:29:27,499 --> 00:29:29,134 And so, of course, you know, we would collect, 502 00:29:29,167 --> 00:29:31,002 cut the stamps off the envelopes 503 00:29:31,035 --> 00:29:32,570 and talk about the countries they came from 504 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,839 and then put them in the album. 505 00:29:34,873 --> 00:29:36,508 And then when I went away to school and went to university, 506 00:29:36,541 --> 00:29:38,510 you put that sort of thing away. 507 00:29:38,543 --> 00:29:42,347 About five years, I was in my mid-20s, I would guess, 508 00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:44,549 I was in an accident, I hurt my neck, 509 00:29:44,582 --> 00:29:46,584 and I ended up having to be in bed for about a month. 510 00:29:46,618 --> 00:29:49,921 And after the first week, I was going stir-crazy of boredom 511 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,423 and remembered I had this old collection in the closet 512 00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:55,059 and pulled this thing out and started looking at it. 513 00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:57,262 And, as opposed to when you're a young person, 514 00:29:57,295 --> 00:30:01,099 you sort of just collect randomly items from around the world, 515 00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:03,268 whatever comes in the mail, things like that. 516 00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:05,003 And obviously when I went back to 517 00:30:05,036 --> 00:30:07,405 this collection and started looking at it, 518 00:30:07,438 --> 00:30:09,908 I was viewing it with a, you know, with adult eyes 519 00:30:09,941 --> 00:30:12,043 and from a totally different perspective. 520 00:30:17,682 --> 00:30:19,417 I think the first thing that attracted me 521 00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:22,053 was simply the artistry. 522 00:30:25,557 --> 00:30:28,459 The engraving is absolutely magnificent. 523 00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,428 And as you look closer at this stuff, 524 00:30:30,461 --> 00:30:33,598 you start realizing how remarkable it is. 525 00:30:33,631 --> 00:30:38,002 And what happened is that you... 526 00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:41,539 you start... small, 527 00:30:41,573 --> 00:30:44,275 and you just collect what you like. 528 00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:51,349 So I started collecting the general stamps of Great Britain. 529 00:30:51,382 --> 00:30:54,519 And while the modern stamps told more stories 530 00:30:54,552 --> 00:30:57,455 because of the subject matter than the early stamps, 531 00:30:57,488 --> 00:30:59,457 the Victorian ones, in particular, 532 00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:02,260 had this depth and variety 533 00:31:02,293 --> 00:31:04,529 that I started becoming addicted to. 534 00:31:29,988 --> 00:31:33,057 Prior to 1840, the recipient of the mail 535 00:31:33,091 --> 00:31:36,227 had to pay the cost of the postage. 536 00:31:36,261 --> 00:31:39,030 And there's a-- there's an apocryphal story, 537 00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:41,332 whether or not it's true, I don't know, 538 00:31:41,366 --> 00:31:43,968 but a man named Rowland Hill, 539 00:31:44,002 --> 00:31:45,703 who was in England, an Englishman, 540 00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:50,174 saw a young lady being delivered a letter by a postman, 541 00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:53,144 and she took the letter and she looked at it, 542 00:31:53,177 --> 00:31:56,114 and then she gave it back to the postman and said, 543 00:31:56,147 --> 00:31:58,016 "No, I'm not paying for it, but you know, thank you anyway." 544 00:31:58,049 --> 00:32:01,019 A shilling for the letter indeed! 545 00:32:01,052 --> 00:32:04,222 You can tell the Post Office to take it back to London 546 00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:06,357 and I hope it costs them a shilling! 547 00:32:06,391 --> 00:32:08,259 And off he went. 548 00:32:08,293 --> 00:32:10,328 And so Rowland Hill walked up to the young lady and said, 549 00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:12,363 "Well, you know, what's going on here?" 550 00:32:12,397 --> 00:32:14,399 And she said, "Oh, well, it's a letter for my boyfriend, 551 00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:19,070 "and, uh, on the envelope, he writes sort of secret codes 552 00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:21,406 "to me to let me know that everything's okay, 553 00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:24,342 "and I can look at the envelope, know he's oaky 554 00:32:24,375 --> 00:32:26,344 and I don't have to pay anything for it." 555 00:32:26,377 --> 00:32:28,413 Rowland thought about this for a long time. 556 00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:30,581 As I say, this is an apocryphal story. 557 00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:32,617 I mean, there are a whole host of other reasons 558 00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:34,686 why postage stamps were invented, 559 00:32:34,719 --> 00:32:36,754 but that's one of the stories behind it. 560 00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:40,291 The population has increased by almost one-third 561 00:32:40,325 --> 00:32:42,460 in the last 30 years, 562 00:32:42,493 --> 00:32:44,429 and yet there are no more letters 563 00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:47,465 sent through the post then when I was a boy. 564 00:32:47,498 --> 00:32:50,501 I tell you, sir, as a commercial undertaking, 565 00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:52,370 the Post Office is a failure. 566 00:32:52,403 --> 00:32:56,274 Post is too expensive, people can't afford it. 567 00:32:56,307 --> 00:33:01,212 Now my plan is to sell to the public some kind of a mark 568 00:33:01,245 --> 00:33:03,247 which they could put on the letters themselves 569 00:33:03,281 --> 00:33:06,217 to show that they've been paid for. 570 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:08,519 A printed cover, 571 00:33:08,553 --> 00:33:11,289 a small sticky label. 572 00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,758 In fact, a kind of a stamp. 573 00:33:13,791 --> 00:33:17,762 The Penny Postal Reform Act of 1840 574 00:33:17,795 --> 00:33:19,797 changed the way that mail was delivered, 575 00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:22,667 and changed-- for the first time, mail was prepaid. 576 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,470 And to do this, they decided that you-- 577 00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:28,072 he invented the concept of using a stamp. 578 00:33:28,106 --> 00:33:30,308 [man] Rowland Hill's plan was adopted, 579 00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:33,544 and penny postage came into course. 580 00:33:33,578 --> 00:33:35,380 Until the stamps were ready, 581 00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:38,316 people handed in their letter with a penny. 582 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:42,320 The stamps were urgently needed to simplify the work. 583 00:33:42,353 --> 00:33:44,288 The treasury held a competition, 584 00:33:44,322 --> 00:33:47,325 inviting the public to send in designs for a stamp. 585 00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:50,762 Over 2,700 entries were received. 586 00:33:50,795 --> 00:33:53,331 None of them was considered satisfactory. 587 00:33:53,364 --> 00:33:57,435 So Rowland Hill, in collaboration with a firm of printers, 588 00:33:57,468 --> 00:33:59,804 made this design. 589 00:33:59,837 --> 00:34:02,340 [Ian] In Britain, everyone knows of the Penny Black, 590 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,842 which, of course, was the world's first postage stamp. 591 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:07,545 So because Britain was the first country 592 00:34:07,578 --> 00:34:09,847 to come up with the idea of the stamp, 593 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:11,649 Britain remains the only country in the world 594 00:34:11,682 --> 00:34:14,218 that doesn't have to put its name on a stamp. 595 00:34:14,252 --> 00:34:17,121 Every other country in the world does, Britain doesn't. 596 00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:20,658 But there is always a picture of the reigning monarch. 597 00:34:20,691 --> 00:34:23,127 I was collecting Great Britain, and I'd reached the point 598 00:34:23,161 --> 00:34:26,764 where the only material that was left in the catalog as it were 599 00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:29,700 or in the spaces in my album was material I couldn't afford. 600 00:34:29,734 --> 00:34:31,869 It was expensive or it was rare. 601 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:35,173 And so I started looking at what was called the Back of the Book. 602 00:34:35,206 --> 00:34:38,443 These are officials and other types of stamps 603 00:34:38,476 --> 00:34:41,212 that are not specifically used for postage, 604 00:34:41,245 --> 00:34:43,881 and there's a whole series of stamps that were used, 605 00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:46,150 were called overprints. 606 00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:48,453 And these were basic stamps that had, for one reason or other, 607 00:34:48,486 --> 00:34:52,223 printing done upon them to be used for different purposes 608 00:34:52,256 --> 00:34:53,825 or for different rates. 609 00:34:53,858 --> 00:34:55,927 And these more affordable. 610 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,695 And I started filling them in 611 00:34:57,728 --> 00:35:00,398 and actually completed one section. 612 00:35:00,431 --> 00:35:02,900 It's called the British Offices in China, 613 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,204 which basically is Hong Kong stamps of the 1900s 614 00:35:06,237 --> 00:35:08,406 that had the word "China" printed on them. 615 00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:10,875 [music plays] 616 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,785 I was at a stamp show one day and was talking to a dealer 617 00:35:20,818 --> 00:35:23,654 and he said, "Well, you know, you've got one of these, right?" 618 00:35:23,688 --> 00:35:25,389 And he pulls out this stamp, 619 00:35:25,423 --> 00:35:27,892 and it's a one-cent stamp, one-penny stamp, 620 00:35:27,925 --> 00:35:31,896 and it's, uh-- the crown is broken. 621 00:35:31,929 --> 00:35:34,265 I said, "No, I don't have this." 622 00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:36,434 And so he started spouting off, "Well, you know, 623 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:38,769 "you've got the inverted watermark and you've got this." 624 00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:41,339 And I said, "Well, no. What are you talking about?" 625 00:35:41,372 --> 00:35:43,441 And he said, "Well, how are you collecting? 626 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:45,643 Are you using one of the great reference works?" 627 00:35:45,676 --> 00:35:47,979 And I said, "Well, I'm using the standard catalog, 628 00:35:48,012 --> 00:35:49,814 the Scott catalog." 629 00:35:49,847 --> 00:35:51,549 And he sort of rolled his eyes a little bit, 630 00:35:51,582 --> 00:35:53,518 and you could see I haven't figured out... 631 00:35:53,551 --> 00:35:55,853 I really didn't know an awful lot. 632 00:35:55,887 --> 00:35:58,556 And he said, "Well, you should call the American Philatelic Society 633 00:35:58,589 --> 00:36:02,460 and they've got, if you're interested in this, they have information." 634 00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,462 It was extraordinary, it was eye-opening, 635 00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:06,731 because suddenly I realized that, you know-- 636 00:36:06,764 --> 00:36:08,733 I barely begun to scratch the surface 637 00:36:08,766 --> 00:36:10,001 of what I was actually collecting. 638 00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:11,969 There was so much more to it. 639 00:36:12,003 --> 00:36:14,472 It wasn't just the art, it was the story of the stamps 640 00:36:14,505 --> 00:36:17,975 and how they were used and the rates that they paid 641 00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:20,678 and why they were even overprinted in the first place. 642 00:36:20,711 --> 00:36:23,681 And the more I started to sort of dig into this, 643 00:36:23,714 --> 00:36:26,751 the more I found out that actually wasn't known. 644 00:36:26,784 --> 00:36:28,953 And suddenly the light bulbs went off. 645 00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:30,821 I mean this was the coolest bit. 646 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:32,523 When you, when you find something 647 00:36:32,557 --> 00:36:34,358 and it's not in the book, 648 00:36:34,392 --> 00:36:36,561 it's not in a catalog, it's not in a journal. 649 00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:38,696 And you suddenly realize you've found something 650 00:36:38,729 --> 00:36:41,499 that nobody's found before. 651 00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:44,302 And it just... 652 00:36:44,335 --> 00:36:46,938 Well, you're screwed. [laughs] 653 00:36:46,971 --> 00:36:49,507 You're absolutely doomed at this point, 654 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:53,544 because suddenly this passion hits you. 655 00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:56,681 There was something that only I knew 656 00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:58,549 or I'd figured out or found 657 00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:00,518 and that you can share with somebody else and say, 658 00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:03,454 "Hey, look, you know, this is really cool stuff." 659 00:37:04,822 --> 00:37:06,591 This is the Broken Crown. 660 00:37:06,624 --> 00:37:08,626 That right there 661 00:37:08,659 --> 00:37:11,729 is the stamp that started the whole thing off, you know? 662 00:37:11,762 --> 00:37:13,998 Why? Because the crown is missing, 663 00:37:14,031 --> 00:37:15,900 Half the crown's cut off. 664 00:37:18,736 --> 00:37:20,871 Seems basic, seems simple, 665 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:24,041 but for some reason, that set this whole thing in motion. 666 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:27,545 You know, so from what was one page of stamps, 667 00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:31,549 you know, it turned into book after book after book. 668 00:37:31,582 --> 00:37:33,851 And I'm not stopping anytime soon. 669 00:37:33,884 --> 00:37:38,656 This was the Broken Crown, which was the first major error 670 00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:40,725 to be discovered on these stamps. 671 00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:42,994 What is interesting is, as I said earlier about 672 00:37:43,027 --> 00:37:46,797 how different printings of the stamps were different colors, 673 00:37:46,831 --> 00:37:48,899 what makes this really fun is that we know 674 00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:51,068 there were three printings of the one penny. 675 00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:55,640 So the first printing was this sort of regular brown color, 676 00:37:55,673 --> 00:37:57,508 and there's the broken crown. 677 00:37:57,541 --> 00:37:59,543 So we know it appeared on the first printing. 678 00:37:59,577 --> 00:38:02,880 The second printing was this sort of reddish brown color. 679 00:38:02,913 --> 00:38:04,782 And there's the broken crown. 680 00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:06,784 So we know it was still on the second printing. 681 00:38:06,817 --> 00:38:08,686 But this is where it gets really cool. 682 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,555 This is the third printing, it's the dark-brown. 683 00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:13,124 Exactly the same position. 684 00:38:13,157 --> 00:38:15,526 The stamp is exactly the same position. 685 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:16,994 The crown has been fixed. 686 00:38:17,028 --> 00:38:20,731 So now we know that at some point 687 00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:22,767 between that printing and that printing, 688 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,370 they fixed it. 689 00:38:26,404 --> 00:38:27,805 That's awesome! 690 00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:37,448 So what that led to, of course, was the trip 691 00:38:37,481 --> 00:38:39,684 to the British Museum and the British Library, 692 00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:41,085 where I sat and went through microfilms 693 00:38:41,118 --> 00:38:42,953 for days and days and days 694 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:45,623 trying to figure out what happened on this stuff. 695 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,892 Who reported it? How did this happen? 696 00:38:47,925 --> 00:38:49,627 And I came across some correspondence 697 00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:51,629 from the postmaster in Shanghai, 698 00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:55,766 you know, in-- I think it was 1920, 1921, 699 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,002 writing back and saying, "Hey, you know, 700 00:38:58,035 --> 00:38:59,737 "we just discovered this. 701 00:38:59,770 --> 00:39:01,972 "How come you guys never noticed this?" 702 00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:06,410 And, uh, it was this little postman or postmaster in Shanghai 703 00:39:06,444 --> 00:39:08,412 was the first one to report this back. 704 00:39:08,446 --> 00:39:10,648 So the printers, you know, the post office got annoyed, 705 00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:12,550 and the printers fixed it. 706 00:39:12,583 --> 00:39:13,851 You know, suddenly you've got this whole story, 707 00:39:13,884 --> 00:39:15,720 all over one stamp. 708 00:39:15,753 --> 00:39:17,755 Brilliant. 709 00:39:28,499 --> 00:39:33,037 There's a stamp that I've wanted since I was a little boy, 710 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:37,675 and it has nothing to do with either Queen Victoria stamps 711 00:39:37,708 --> 00:39:39,677 or British offices in China, 712 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:41,912 but it's called the Tyrian Plum. 713 00:39:41,946 --> 00:39:44,515 It's an iconic British stamp, 714 00:39:44,548 --> 00:39:47,051 and I've wanted it my whole life, basically. 715 00:39:47,084 --> 00:39:48,919 And one finally came up for sale, 716 00:39:48,953 --> 00:39:50,988 and I had to, uh... 717 00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:53,858 had to do a lot of borrowing and figuring out how to do it. 718 00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:56,794 Oh, I'm going to be so much trouble 719 00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:59,697 if people find out how much I spent. 720 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:01,899 No, it's... 721 00:40:01,932 --> 00:40:06,837 Yeah, it was, I think, $157,000, so... 722 00:40:06,871 --> 00:40:10,708 You know, you read about the Bond villains 723 00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:14,712 that want to steal a Mona Lisa, and they're going to be a-- 724 00:40:14,745 --> 00:40:17,014 they want it because they're going to keep it in the basement 725 00:40:17,047 --> 00:40:19,717 and look at it, and you think, God, what a freak! 726 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:21,018 And I totally get that, 727 00:40:21,051 --> 00:40:23,721 I completely get that person now. 728 00:40:23,754 --> 00:40:25,556 You know? [laughing] 729 00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:28,859 [music plays] 730 00:40:28,893 --> 00:40:32,229 It has an absolutely unique color. 731 00:40:34,064 --> 00:40:36,534 I mean, early on, the big question was, 732 00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:40,237 how does another country know that a stamp is valid? 733 00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:43,741 And one of the ways that they did it 734 00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:46,110 was that they color-coded stamps. 735 00:40:46,143 --> 00:40:48,512 You'll note, particularly in the United States stamps, 736 00:40:48,546 --> 00:40:50,114 all of the three-cent stamps 737 00:40:50,147 --> 00:40:53,117 that were issued back in the '40s and '50s, 738 00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:54,885 they're all purple. 739 00:40:54,919 --> 00:40:56,687 That was so other countries and agencies 740 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,989 could identify that the stamps were valid. 741 00:40:59,023 --> 00:41:01,759 So this was sort of used commonly throughout the world. 742 00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:04,929 When they issued the two-pence, the Tyrian Plum, 743 00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:07,264 it's just a unique color. 744 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,733 I'm not sure that that color has ever been used again on British stamps. 745 00:41:09,767 --> 00:41:12,102 But it's just-- There's something about this piece 746 00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:15,806 that's just iconic and unique and different 747 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,808 It's just always... 748 00:41:17,842 --> 00:41:19,176 always affected me. 749 00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:20,778 This is something that just... 750 00:41:20,811 --> 00:41:23,280 I always wanted it. 751 00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:25,649 There's really not a lot to say about it. 752 00:41:25,683 --> 00:41:29,787 Just... ugghh. [laughs] 753 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:31,956 [music plays] 754 00:41:31,989 --> 00:41:35,192 [Stephen Heller] I think everybody collects something... 755 00:41:35,226 --> 00:41:37,628 even if they collect nothing. 756 00:41:39,029 --> 00:41:41,932 You want to show them off. 757 00:41:41,966 --> 00:41:45,202 You have gotten them through some kind of travail, 758 00:41:45,236 --> 00:41:48,806 some kind of struggle or challenge. 759 00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:53,878 You want to show that you have them, that you own them. 760 00:41:53,911 --> 00:41:57,581 The display is very important, 761 00:41:57,615 --> 00:42:01,685 because the display says who you are creatively. 762 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,924 Collecting is a obsessive activity. 763 00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:12,196 The greater you invest in the collection, 764 00:42:12,229 --> 00:42:17,268 the more you invest in detriment of your mental health. 765 00:42:17,301 --> 00:42:22,873 That desire is to fulfill a goal, 766 00:42:22,907 --> 00:42:26,176 to fill one's life with something 767 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:29,713 that is beyond themselves, 768 00:42:29,747 --> 00:42:33,784 to fill one's life with memories 769 00:42:33,817 --> 00:42:36,720 that may or may not belong to them. 770 00:42:36,754 --> 00:42:40,124 [Jackie Tohn] It's such a huge part of my family, 771 00:42:40,157 --> 00:42:42,259 and that it was, like, something that we could connect on. 772 00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:44,862 And it's just a really cool window 773 00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:47,131 into something you never knew about. 774 00:42:52,102 --> 00:42:55,239 [David Feldman] Things from way far-off lands you never heard of, 775 00:42:55,272 --> 00:42:57,174 with names of far-off lands you never heard of. 776 00:42:57,207 --> 00:43:00,778 There's a romance, I would say a romance. 777 00:43:00,811 --> 00:43:03,881 I wasn't realizing the animal was growing, 778 00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:06,150 my heart was growing. 779 00:43:06,183 --> 00:43:10,354 [Carlos Vergara] It's something that is a direct tie-in to my homeland. 780 00:43:10,387 --> 00:43:13,057 It's a fly-on-the-wall-view of history 781 00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:15,793 that is hard to obtain in any other way. 782 00:43:15,826 --> 00:43:18,729 [Alex Haimann] Mail was the best way for me to personally connect 783 00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:21,398 with someplace beyond just seeing a picture of something, 784 00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:24,001 but rather to hold something from that place, 785 00:43:24,034 --> 00:43:26,804 to have a connection to that day and time. 786 00:43:26,837 --> 00:43:30,741 [Michael Russem] I don't know how people really exist without collecting. 787 00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:35,980 I don't know what they do with their time 788 00:43:36,013 --> 00:43:39,917 when there's nothing to do. 789 00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:42,786 How do they procrastinate? 790 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:46,991 I guess maybe they watch television, which is fine. 791 00:43:50,961 --> 00:43:53,764 [pipe inhaling and exhaling] 792 00:44:10,214 --> 00:44:14,318 I remember it like it was yesterday. 793 00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:19,823 Two years ago, I had a client. 794 00:44:19,857 --> 00:44:21,759 Still have the client, but I had a client. 795 00:44:21,792 --> 00:44:23,160 And he wanted a particular stamp. 796 00:44:23,193 --> 00:44:26,964 The stamp catalogued £5,000. 797 00:44:26,997 --> 00:44:30,167 It was the last stamp needed to complete a particular country, 798 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,836 and it is the heart and soul of that country, 799 00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:35,239 and it is massively under-cataloged. 800 00:44:35,272 --> 00:44:37,975 It has been since I started buying them 801 00:44:38,008 --> 00:44:41,879 when they catalogued $500 apiece, years and years ago, 802 00:44:41,912 --> 00:44:45,816 Now they're £5,000. Still too cheap, in my opinion. 803 00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:48,452 I said, "Fine, I can present you the stamp, it's very difficult, 804 00:44:48,485 --> 00:44:50,320 "it's the key to the whole subject, 805 00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:51,755 "it's the only stamp we have been able to find, 806 00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:53,524 and I want $25,000 for it." 807 00:44:53,557 --> 00:44:56,994 He said, "I'll think about it." That's fine. 808 00:44:57,027 --> 00:45:02,299 A month goes by, and I get a catalog from overseas. 809 00:45:02,332 --> 00:45:04,935 And it is a beautiful, beautiful, 810 00:45:04,968 --> 00:45:08,872 specialized collection of that particular subject 811 00:45:08,906 --> 00:45:11,008 of which this stamp belonged. 812 00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:13,477 Must have taken him 30, 40 years to put together. 813 00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:18,015 I get to the place for the key stamp, it ain't there. 814 00:45:18,048 --> 00:45:19,783 That doesn't surprise me. 815 00:45:19,817 --> 00:45:23,020 The following week, I'm working at my desk. 816 00:45:23,053 --> 00:45:27,224 Maureen says, "Mr. J. Worthy Pfellfelfinger is on the line." 817 00:45:27,257 --> 00:45:29,093 So I picked up the phone. 818 00:45:29,126 --> 00:45:31,562 I didn't say hello, I didn't say how are you? 819 00:45:31,595 --> 00:45:34,498 I picked up the phone, I said, 820 00:45:34,531 --> 00:45:37,034 "He didn't have it, did he?" 821 00:45:37,067 --> 00:45:39,169 That's all I said. 822 00:45:39,203 --> 00:45:44,274 Pause. Then he starts to laugh outrageously. 823 00:45:44,308 --> 00:45:46,443 He said, "You're right, he didn't have it." 824 00:45:46,477 --> 00:45:49,379 I said, "What did I tell you?" [laughs] 825 00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,215 He said, "Do you still have it?" 826 00:45:51,248 --> 00:45:52,983 I said, "Yes, I do." 827 00:45:53,016 --> 00:45:54,852 He said, "I'll take it." I said, "Thank you." 828 00:45:54,885 --> 00:45:57,054 Sent him the stamps. Sold it him for 25,000. 829 00:45:57,087 --> 00:45:58,455 While I had him on the line, 830 00:45:58,489 --> 00:46:01,091 I said, "Now, let's have some fun." 831 00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:04,128 "You and I know that this man understood 832 00:46:04,161 --> 00:46:05,829 "his subject very well. 833 00:46:05,863 --> 00:46:08,031 Yet he didn't have the stamp." 834 00:46:08,065 --> 00:46:09,533 So I said to my friend, 835 00:46:09,566 --> 00:46:11,969 "How many times in the last 25 years 836 00:46:12,002 --> 00:46:14,438 did he have a chance to buy the stamp?" 837 00:46:14,471 --> 00:46:17,908 I said he had four chances to buy that stamp 838 00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:22,179 in the last 25 years, on either side of the Atlantic. 839 00:46:22,212 --> 00:46:25,616 And four times he walked into the auction room, 840 00:46:25,649 --> 00:46:28,585 sat down, prepared to buy the last stamp 841 00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:30,888 he needed to complete the subject. 842 00:46:30,921 --> 00:46:33,423 Four times in a row, he left the sales room 843 00:46:33,457 --> 00:46:35,359 without buying the stamp because he wouldn't 844 00:46:35,392 --> 00:46:37,895 make the commitment necessary to secure the stamp. 845 00:46:37,928 --> 00:46:40,230 And four times in a row, 846 00:46:40,264 --> 00:46:42,199 guess who the buyer was. 847 00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:46,870 So there are three copies in the vault. 848 00:46:49,139 --> 00:46:55,212 Now, you have to have the strength of your convictions 849 00:46:55,245 --> 00:47:00,017 if you're going to trash a catalog figure. 850 00:47:00,050 --> 00:47:04,988 But you have to come to some conclusions after 50 years. 851 00:47:10,227 --> 00:47:13,430 I took it away from him four times in a row, 852 00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:17,634 with malice in my heart and pushed him and pushed him 853 00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:19,536 and pushed him and pushed and pushed 854 00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:21,538 until he couldn't see straight. 855 00:47:21,572 --> 00:47:24,308 Because I said the stamp is infinitely more important 856 00:47:24,341 --> 00:47:27,110 than the catalog tends to indicate. 857 00:47:27,144 --> 00:47:30,214 At the end of the day, as far as I'm concerned, 858 00:47:30,247 --> 00:47:33,617 I put my money where my mouth is. 859 00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:37,454 If I'd been desperately wrong in the last 50 years 860 00:47:37,487 --> 00:47:41,692 on all these kinds of decisions that I have to make from time to time, 861 00:47:41,725 --> 00:47:45,696 I would've been out of business 40 years ago. 862 00:47:45,729 --> 00:47:49,099 I don't have to have a client to buy that stamp. 863 00:47:49,132 --> 00:47:53,470 I know exactly how it fits into the firmament 864 00:47:53,503 --> 00:47:56,306 of the particular collection. 865 00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:04,648 My father got me a stamp album, 866 00:48:04,681 --> 00:48:06,483 and I outgrew it rather quickly 867 00:48:06,516 --> 00:48:08,285 and bought a bigger one about that big, 868 00:48:08,318 --> 00:48:10,053 and for about four or five years, 869 00:48:10,087 --> 00:48:12,990 I collected stamps from all over the world, 870 00:48:13,023 --> 00:48:15,025 which gave me a little bit of an idea 871 00:48:15,058 --> 00:48:17,427 of what some countries were like 872 00:48:17,461 --> 00:48:19,630 and what sorts of things they had. 873 00:48:19,663 --> 00:48:23,433 Eventually it got so fat and it got too big, 874 00:48:23,467 --> 00:48:25,402 it got too big to handle, 875 00:48:25,435 --> 00:48:29,206 and I decided that I wasn't going to collect 876 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,341 anything my father was collecting. 877 00:48:31,375 --> 00:48:33,443 Don't ask me why. 878 00:48:33,477 --> 00:48:36,980 I had a particular proclivity for Zanzibar, 879 00:48:37,014 --> 00:48:42,586 and I decided that the British Empire was too big to handle. 880 00:48:42,619 --> 00:48:47,190 So I decided I'll take a chunk of it. 881 00:48:47,224 --> 00:48:49,660 And to me, there were more exotic and interesting things 882 00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:53,230 in Africa than there was anywhere else in the Empire. 883 00:48:53,263 --> 00:48:56,233 To this day, I feel just as strongly. 884 00:48:56,266 --> 00:48:58,735 I proceeded to build a collection of British Africa 885 00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:02,239 for the reigns of Victoria and George V. 886 00:49:02,272 --> 00:49:05,242 The collection stops in 35' on the basis of the fact 887 00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:07,678 that the material after '35 is dirt common, 888 00:49:07,711 --> 00:49:10,547 could be bought on any street corner or anytime you want, 889 00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:13,050 and all the really rare and exotic and interesting things 890 00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:16,420 are in the 19th and early 20th century. 891 00:49:16,453 --> 00:49:19,323 Someone once said that one person in seven 892 00:49:19,356 --> 00:49:21,391 in Switzerland was a stamp collector. 893 00:49:21,425 --> 00:49:24,761 Well, that's an awfully big percentage of the proletariat. 894 00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:26,396 Nothing like what we have here. 895 00:49:26,430 --> 00:49:28,632 It's still a giant market here. 896 00:49:28,665 --> 00:49:32,769 But, uh, it is as I can divine 897 00:49:32,803 --> 00:49:35,272 from doing shows all over Hell's Half-Acre, 898 00:49:35,305 --> 00:49:39,309 it can be wildly addictive. 899 00:49:39,343 --> 00:49:41,545 Ask me. [laughs] 900 00:49:41,578 --> 00:49:44,281 I'm still-- I'm still hooked on it, seriously, 901 00:49:44,314 --> 00:49:46,416 after more than 50 years. 902 00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:49,720 Collecting-mania, whether it's stamps, coins, antiquities, 903 00:49:49,753 --> 00:49:53,590 comic books, trading cards or, or whatever... 904 00:49:53,623 --> 00:49:59,663 runs hot and heavy in many people's, uh, makeup. 905 00:50:01,465 --> 00:50:03,500 At the end of the day, a dealer 906 00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:09,373 needs to learn about valuations on the basis 907 00:50:09,406 --> 00:50:13,076 of his own experience with his clients, 908 00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:16,279 especially when the client is prepared 909 00:50:16,313 --> 00:50:18,315 to spend serious money on nice material. 910 00:50:18,348 --> 00:50:21,084 It's not a question of whether I'm purveying the stamp 911 00:50:21,118 --> 00:50:26,356 at 50% of Scott or 250% of Scott, the stamp's the thing. 912 00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:29,159 At the end of the day, when you put it on the table, 913 00:50:29,192 --> 00:50:31,395 the response is usually, "Jesus, George, 914 00:50:31,428 --> 00:50:33,263 do you know how long I've looked for that stamp?" 915 00:50:33,296 --> 00:50:37,868 I say, "You and the other 17 guys before you." 916 00:50:37,901 --> 00:50:40,303 You all had the same problem. 917 00:50:40,337 --> 00:50:44,241 I studied your problems 918 00:50:44,274 --> 00:50:46,810 and overlaid your problems 919 00:50:46,843 --> 00:50:49,346 with a large group of other people 920 00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:51,548 who were also serious players. 921 00:50:51,581 --> 00:50:53,683 And lo and behold, 922 00:50:53,717 --> 00:51:00,257 certain truisms came to the surface. 923 00:51:00,290 --> 00:51:02,359 Not because of one man's problem, 924 00:51:02,392 --> 00:51:06,897 but because of many people's problem with the same stamp, 925 00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:10,233 which is why there are a lot of stamps that I buy, 926 00:51:10,267 --> 00:51:11,835 that are scarce, 927 00:51:11,868 --> 00:51:15,605 that I don't necessarily have a want-list for. 928 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,743 I have always liked rare things in the field, 929 00:51:19,776 --> 00:51:22,212 because it has always been my feeling 930 00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:27,717 that the greatest stamps in philately are dirt cheap, 931 00:51:27,751 --> 00:51:30,787 irrespective of what they sell for. 932 00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:49,606 A firm just sold a very nice example 933 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,741 of the Two Penny Post Office Mauritius. 934 00:51:51,775 --> 00:51:54,644 A very famous stamp, 935 00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:57,347 a coveted stamp of which there's about a dozen copies, 936 00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:59,483 although many of them are institutionalized, 937 00:51:59,516 --> 00:52:01,451 so there's probably three or four 938 00:52:01,485 --> 00:52:03,453 that possibly could float around 939 00:52:03,487 --> 00:52:06,289 if they were available-- it brought a million dollars. 940 00:52:06,323 --> 00:52:11,428 And that's one of the top five or six stamps... 941 00:52:11,461 --> 00:52:13,196 on the planet. 942 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:16,433 Now, if you and I walk over to Sotheby's 943 00:52:16,466 --> 00:52:19,703 and they're having an Old Masters' sale, 944 00:52:19,736 --> 00:52:24,908 and they're selling a painting by Rembrandt's 945 00:52:24,941 --> 00:52:27,878 third cousin twice removed, 946 00:52:30,413 --> 00:52:32,215 how much is that going to cost us? 947 00:52:32,249 --> 00:52:33,783 Millions and millions of dollars. 948 00:52:33,817 --> 00:52:35,552 If it was a real Rembrandt, 949 00:52:35,585 --> 00:52:38,355 we couldn't touch it with a barge pole. 950 00:52:38,388 --> 00:52:39,990 So, as far as I'm concerned, 951 00:52:40,023 --> 00:52:42,392 paying a $1,000,000 for a Tuppence Mauritius 952 00:52:42,425 --> 00:52:44,261 is a goddamn gift. 953 00:52:46,396 --> 00:52:49,633 Because it is one of the more revered objects on the planet 954 00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:52,235 as far as philately is concerned. 955 00:52:54,271 --> 00:52:58,775 I have always felt that great stamps, of all countries, 956 00:52:58,808 --> 00:53:02,846 are very inexpensive in relation to objects 957 00:53:02,879 --> 00:53:06,449 of that degree of scarcity and rarity 958 00:53:06,483 --> 00:53:10,020 in other collecting fields. 959 00:53:10,053 --> 00:53:12,389 Which is why I am very comfortable 960 00:53:12,422 --> 00:53:17,894 buying very rare and exotic things because I respect them. 961 00:53:17,928 --> 00:53:20,697 I respect them enough to put my own money into them 962 00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:23,433 even if I don't necessarily have a client for it. 963 00:53:23,466 --> 00:53:25,502 But when the client materializes, 964 00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:27,771 as he does in the fullness of time, 965 00:53:27,804 --> 00:53:29,739 you can certainly pull something off that's not available 966 00:53:29,773 --> 00:53:32,442 anywhere in the world at this point. 967 00:53:36,846 --> 00:53:39,916 You know, you have to be fortunate in stamp collecting 968 00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:43,019 to, you know, to be at the right place at the right time. 969 00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,522 You know, somebody looking, for instance, 970 00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:47,524 for the one-cent Z-Grill 971 00:53:47,557 --> 00:53:49,526 might be looking for a long time, 972 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:51,461 'cause I own it. 973 00:54:18,922 --> 00:54:22,759 Why stamps? In my case it was because of my mother. 974 00:54:22,792 --> 00:54:25,929 Um, she, she collected stamps, 975 00:54:25,962 --> 00:54:29,399 but they were sheets of 100 U.S. commemoratives, 976 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:30,934 and she bought them at the post office. 977 00:54:30,967 --> 00:54:33,970 She wasn't a stamp collector, but, um, 978 00:54:34,004 --> 00:54:35,705 you know, in the late '30s and early '40s, 979 00:54:35,739 --> 00:54:38,475 she bought pounds and pounds 980 00:54:38,508 --> 00:54:41,578 and hundreds and hundreds of commemorative sheets 981 00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,013 in order to send me to college. 982 00:54:43,046 --> 00:54:45,515 She thought of it as an investment. 983 00:54:45,548 --> 00:54:48,051 She told me about them, showed them to me, 984 00:54:48,084 --> 00:54:51,388 and said, "We'll go to San Francisco, and, uh, 985 00:54:51,421 --> 00:54:53,690 and this is your college tuition." 986 00:54:53,723 --> 00:54:55,925 Surprise, surprise. 987 00:54:55,959 --> 00:54:59,029 There were four dealers in San Francisco, 988 00:54:59,062 --> 00:55:00,964 and I took them to each of the dealers. 989 00:55:00,997 --> 00:55:03,099 They weren't worth the paper they're printed on. 990 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:07,871 In other words, a 3-cent hundred commemorative sheet 991 00:55:07,904 --> 00:55:10,106 wasn't worth $3. 992 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:13,943 And so knowing that that wasn't what my mother had intended, 993 00:55:13,977 --> 00:55:15,679 I didn't sell the stamps. 994 00:55:15,712 --> 00:55:17,614 I took them home, and the look on her face 995 00:55:17,647 --> 00:55:19,983 was of ultimate depression 996 00:55:20,016 --> 00:55:22,719 because she counted on them appreciating 997 00:55:22,752 --> 00:55:24,587 to send me to college. 998 00:55:24,621 --> 00:55:26,389 My tuition was gone. 999 00:55:26,423 --> 00:55:30,560 20, 30 years later when I, uh, you know, 1000 00:55:30,593 --> 00:55:33,997 began to have some money that was disposable, 1001 00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:37,467 I said, well, I'm gonna... I'm gonna, do this right. 1002 00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,438 I'm going to show my mom that she had the right idea, 1003 00:55:41,471 --> 00:55:44,574 she just bought the wrong stamps. 1004 00:55:44,607 --> 00:55:48,445 I started with my home country, the U.S. 1005 00:55:48,478 --> 00:55:50,146 That's what I collected as a kid. 1006 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:54,651 A matter of fact, I still had my, uh very basic 1007 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:58,988 U.S. collection with that one cent Colombian stamp in it. 1008 00:55:59,022 --> 00:56:02,692 And so I wanted to fill in the spaces, 1009 00:56:02,726 --> 00:56:04,160 you know, from the United States. 1010 00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:07,430 That's what-- That's what I knew. 1011 00:56:07,464 --> 00:56:09,966 You know, the presidents, the, uh, you know, 1012 00:56:09,999 --> 00:56:15,071 the national parks and all of the stamps 1013 00:56:15,105 --> 00:56:20,944 of the early, you know, 20th, uh... 20th century. 1014 00:56:20,977 --> 00:56:22,679 I think it was very fortunate 1015 00:56:22,712 --> 00:56:26,950 that between 1992 and 2004 or 5, 1016 00:56:26,983 --> 00:56:29,753 when ultimately I completed it, that I was able to do that 1017 00:56:29,786 --> 00:56:34,691 because that's a sort of a freak of a philately that you could 1018 00:56:34,724 --> 00:56:39,696 find a willing seller for exactly what you wanted to buy. 1019 00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:43,099 There's this misconception because Mr. Gross 1020 00:56:43,133 --> 00:56:45,602 isn't so much involved in the social world of stamps, 1021 00:56:45,635 --> 00:56:47,904 He's a little bit hidden from the world. 1022 00:56:47,937 --> 00:56:50,140 So they all think he's just somebody who was just spending money, 1023 00:56:50,173 --> 00:56:52,242 he has plenty of money and he just spends it. 1024 00:56:52,275 --> 00:56:54,711 In 1992, he was slowly buying. 1025 00:56:54,744 --> 00:56:57,213 He didn't know the right markets, uh, what to pay. 1026 00:56:57,247 --> 00:56:59,682 But then he saw the Ishikawa sale. 1027 00:56:59,716 --> 00:57:02,085 It was about a $10,000,000 collection at that time. 1028 00:57:02,118 --> 00:57:04,621 So we started with lot number one in the sale and he said, 1029 00:57:04,654 --> 00:57:06,656 "So what's that worth?" and I would tell him. 1030 00:57:06,689 --> 00:57:08,258 He said, "Do you think I should have it for my collection?" 1031 00:57:08,291 --> 00:57:10,560 I said, "Well, yeah, that one's very nice." 1032 00:57:10,593 --> 00:57:12,695 Lot number two. "No, I don't think you should have that. 1033 00:57:12,729 --> 00:57:14,631 There are better examples out there." 1034 00:57:14,664 --> 00:57:16,166 Lot number three. "What do you think that's worth?" 1035 00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,134 "Oh, that's 100,000." Lot number four. 1036 00:57:18,168 --> 00:57:20,103 So we went through the whole sale, 1037 00:57:20,136 --> 00:57:21,704 and in the end, we had millions of dollars 1038 00:57:21,738 --> 00:57:23,173 worth of bids ready. 1039 00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:25,108 And so I said, "What's your game plan?" 1040 00:57:25,141 --> 00:57:27,010 And he said, "Well, what do you mean, what game plan? 1041 00:57:27,043 --> 00:57:28,878 I said, "Well, people have a budget. 1042 00:57:28,912 --> 00:57:30,947 "They usually go, I'd rather go after these, 1043 00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:35,852 or I want these four items, or only spend up to $200,000." 1044 00:57:35,885 --> 00:57:37,954 But remember, now we had millions of dollars worth the bids. 1045 00:57:37,987 --> 00:57:39,956 He goes, "Well, hell, if I can buy it all, that'd be great!" 1046 00:57:42,892 --> 00:57:45,995 [William Gross] The Z-Grill was an interesting story in and of itself, 1047 00:57:46,029 --> 00:57:49,666 and that was done with the company Mystic 1048 00:57:59,075 --> 00:58:02,779 The stamp that was really exciting for our company 1049 00:58:02,812 --> 00:58:06,082 and for my family is the one-cent Z-Grill, 1050 00:58:06,115 --> 00:58:09,686 and in 1998, the stamp was coming up for sale. 1051 00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:11,754 And I remember when I got into stamps 1052 00:58:11,788 --> 00:58:15,892 and reading about the stamp and it was valued at $30,000. 1053 00:58:15,925 --> 00:58:17,193 And I thought, how can that be? 1054 00:58:17,227 --> 00:58:18,928 And I didn't understand that. 1055 00:58:18,962 --> 00:58:20,930 And then it sold for almost a $100,000 1056 00:58:20,964 --> 00:58:23,333 to Jerry Buss in the late '70s 1057 00:58:23,366 --> 00:58:25,768 and then sold to a fellow named Zoellner 1058 00:58:25,802 --> 00:58:28,338 for $400,000 in the '80s. 1059 00:58:28,371 --> 00:58:31,608 There's two known ones in the New York Public Library, 1060 00:58:31,641 --> 00:58:33,643 now in the Smithsonian, 1061 00:58:33,676 --> 00:58:36,779 and this was the other one that was available to collectors. 1062 00:58:36,813 --> 00:58:39,349 So it was really the key to a complete U.S. collection. 1063 00:58:39,382 --> 00:58:42,318 This is a stamp that was an experimental stamp, 1064 00:58:42,352 --> 00:58:45,154 putting an impression on those stamps 1065 00:58:45,188 --> 00:58:47,190 so that it could break the paper fibers 1066 00:58:47,223 --> 00:58:49,826 and ink would be absorbed in the paper, 1067 00:58:49,859 --> 00:58:52,829 and as a result, the stamp couldn't be counterfeited. 1068 00:58:52,862 --> 00:58:57,200 And the Z-Grill, put onto a variety of different stamps, 1069 00:58:57,233 --> 00:59:01,137 just survived in small, small quantity 1070 00:59:01,170 --> 00:59:04,107 on this one cent blue Benjamin Franklin stamp. 1071 00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:06,376 And we believe only two are known. 1072 00:59:06,409 --> 00:59:08,745 And for many people, that would be considered 1073 00:59:08,778 --> 00:59:10,947 the great rarity in American philately. 1074 00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:12,882 If you don't own that, 1075 00:59:12,916 --> 00:59:15,785 you can't have a complete 19th century collection. 1076 00:59:15,818 --> 00:59:17,720 I really wanted to own it, 1077 00:59:17,754 --> 00:59:20,857 and so I went to the auction in New York with my son, 1078 00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:23,893 who is 11 years old, and he had the bidding paddle, 1079 00:59:23,927 --> 00:59:25,895 and we approved it with the auctioneer. 1080 00:59:25,929 --> 00:59:27,864 And so he actually bid on the stamp, 1081 00:59:27,897 --> 00:59:30,633 and we bought it for $935,000. 1082 00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:33,870 Mystic had used the Z-Grill for three or four years 1083 00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:35,939 as a, um, an advertisement, 1084 00:59:35,972 --> 00:59:39,876 and they'd carry it around to all their displays and sales 1085 00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:44,180 at various, uh, you know, stamp functions in the country. 1086 00:59:44,213 --> 00:59:47,183 [chuckles] Definitely, yeah, I was 1087 00:59:47,216 --> 00:59:49,185 unnaturally attached to that stamp, 1088 00:59:49,218 --> 00:59:51,888 and that, uh, I just, I loved the owning it, 1089 00:59:51,921 --> 00:59:54,891 and I used to pull it out from time to time and look at it, 1090 00:59:54,924 --> 00:59:57,226 and it's just funny how this little piece of paper 1091 00:59:57,260 --> 00:59:58,962 could give me that much pleasure. 1092 00:59:58,995 --> 01:00:01,030 I wrote him. I wrote him a letter and said, 1093 01:00:01,064 --> 01:00:04,133 you know, your advertising is probably getting a little tired. 1094 01:00:04,167 --> 01:00:06,035 Wouldn't you like to, uh, you know, 1095 01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:08,738 exchange that for something more exciting? 1096 01:00:13,876 --> 01:00:19,215 A block of a Inverted Jenny's was coming up for sale. 1097 01:00:19,248 --> 01:00:21,417 I suggested to him ahead of time 1098 01:00:21,451 --> 01:00:23,987 than if I bought the inverted Jenny Block, 1099 01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:27,690 that would be a better advertising gimmick for him then the Z-Grill, 1100 01:00:27,724 --> 01:00:33,029 and I would exchange the Block for the, you know, the Z-Grill. 1101 01:00:33,062 --> 01:00:34,897 So that's how I got it. 1102 01:00:34,931 --> 01:00:39,936 It was a pretty well advertised exchange, I guess. 1103 01:00:39,969 --> 01:00:41,971 Um... 1104 01:00:42,005 --> 01:00:46,275 They're not looking at us, they're looking at the stamp. 1105 01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:49,712 Don, thank you very much. I appreciate it very much. 1106 01:00:49,746 --> 01:00:50,947 Thanks. 1107 01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:53,383 [applause] 1108 01:00:57,020 --> 01:00:59,088 Well, this was a key stamp for Mr. Gross 1109 01:00:59,122 --> 01:01:01,958 because it was the last stamp he needed to, uh, 1110 01:01:01,991 --> 01:01:03,760 achieve the title of having the most complete 1111 01:01:03,793 --> 01:01:05,828 U.S. stamp collection ever formed. 1112 01:01:05,862 --> 01:01:07,864 It was the last space, 1113 01:01:07,897 --> 01:01:10,967 and what it did, of course, was to complete the collection, 1114 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,070 which was sort of like the last piece in the puzzle. 1115 01:01:14,103 --> 01:01:15,872 It's a very little piece. 1116 01:01:15,905 --> 01:01:18,841 And so it was more valuable to me than to him, 1117 01:01:18,875 --> 01:01:22,478 and I would probably agree that he got a good deal. 1118 01:01:22,512 --> 01:01:24,480 [chuckles] 1119 01:01:24,514 --> 01:01:28,818 Uh, I, uh, it was like... 1120 01:01:28,851 --> 01:01:31,287 I-I... It's hard to put it in words. 1121 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,423 There was, like, some deep emotions going on, 1122 01:01:33,456 --> 01:01:36,426 and it just felt like, uh, that, that it was like 1123 01:01:36,459 --> 01:01:38,327 a passing of the guard, 1124 01:01:38,361 --> 01:01:40,129 that I was privileged to own this wonderful stamp 1125 01:01:40,163 --> 01:01:42,231 and then it went to a good home. 1126 01:01:44,333 --> 01:01:47,437 Here's our block. 1127 01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:49,872 And so a block is four stamps, 1128 01:01:49,906 --> 01:01:53,009 and a plate number is the number on the bottom 1129 01:01:53,042 --> 01:01:55,078 of the salvage underneath the stamp. 1130 01:01:55,111 --> 01:01:59,148 And that's used by the printers to track the different plates 1131 01:01:59,182 --> 01:02:01,017 that are used to print the stamp. 1132 01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:04,787 This is unique because the plate numbers 1133 01:02:04,821 --> 01:02:07,023 would have been trimmed off on the top of the sheet. 1134 01:02:07,056 --> 01:02:08,991 Because it was inverted, 1135 01:02:09,025 --> 01:02:11,994 this plate number showed up in the bottom salvage. 1136 01:02:19,068 --> 01:02:21,404 [music plays] 1137 01:02:37,019 --> 01:02:41,891 I loved the Z-Grill because it's the key to a unique 1138 01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:44,193 collection or a complete collection of U.S. stamps. 1139 01:02:44,227 --> 01:02:46,996 And so to own that stamp was a dream come true. 1140 01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:49,465 I never thought that I would, in a million years, 1141 01:02:49,499 --> 01:02:51,234 we'd own that stamp. 1142 01:02:51,267 --> 01:02:53,469 And then when we bought it and we had it, 1143 01:02:53,503 --> 01:02:55,404 it was such a special feeling. 1144 01:02:55,438 --> 01:02:57,940 A feeling that I wish I could have bottled 1145 01:02:57,974 --> 01:03:01,477 and then pull out from time to time to re-experience. 1146 01:03:01,511 --> 01:03:03,613 You don't want to hold on to them for 40 years 1147 01:03:03,646 --> 01:03:08,584 because that kills the market and kills the interest. 1148 01:03:08,618 --> 01:03:11,521 Not that everybody could accumulate a Z-Grill, 1149 01:03:11,554 --> 01:03:14,090 the one cent Z-Grill or an Inverted Jenny, 1150 01:03:14,123 --> 01:03:18,261 but you have to turn it over for the good of philately, I think. 1151 01:03:18,294 --> 01:03:21,097 I've done that with, uh, you know, 1152 01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:24,400 my Great Britain and UK collection. 1153 01:03:24,433 --> 01:03:26,235 I've done that with actually 1154 01:03:26,269 --> 01:03:28,404 almost all collections other than the U.S. 1155 01:03:28,437 --> 01:03:30,573 I've auctioned them off for charity 1156 01:03:30,606 --> 01:03:34,210 for, uh, you know, Doctors Without Borders, 1157 01:03:34,243 --> 01:03:36,512 for a number of charities that, you know, 1158 01:03:36,546 --> 01:03:39,348 the auction in New York about four years ago 1159 01:03:39,382 --> 01:03:43,519 with my classic UK collection, 1160 01:03:43,553 --> 01:03:45,354 you know, raised nine million bucks. 1161 01:03:45,388 --> 01:03:48,090 And so that was given back. 1162 01:03:48,124 --> 01:03:51,327 A number of, uh, wealthy collectors 1163 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,199 now own a majority of the prizes. 1164 01:03:56,232 --> 01:03:58,501 I do think that's a little unfair, 1165 01:03:58,534 --> 01:04:01,304 and that's why I think it's incumbent 1166 01:04:01,337 --> 01:04:05,141 to turn it over, 1167 01:04:05,174 --> 01:04:07,009 to give it back. 1168 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:25,161 I was about 10 years old or so, 1169 01:04:25,194 --> 01:04:29,699 and my brother knew I was thinking about stamp collecting, 1170 01:04:29,732 --> 01:04:32,368 because all the little kids did at that time, 1171 01:04:32,401 --> 01:04:37,006 and he bought me an edition of the Scott Catalog, 1172 01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:41,677 which is a book that prices all the stamps of the world. 1173 01:04:41,711 --> 01:04:47,483 Now, at that time it was a book of maybe 70 or 80 pages. 1174 01:04:47,516 --> 01:04:51,254 Today, it's a book of 200 pages, 1175 01:04:51,287 --> 01:04:54,490 each in six different volumes. 1176 01:04:54,523 --> 01:04:58,294 That's how stamps have mounted and grown. 1177 01:04:58,327 --> 01:05:00,429 And he gave me a little stamp album 1178 01:05:00,463 --> 01:05:03,299 to put the stamps in that I got my hands on. 1179 01:05:03,332 --> 01:05:08,037 When I was about 15 years old, 1180 01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:11,440 and I saved up $18, 1181 01:05:11,474 --> 01:05:14,477 and I took my $18 with me to New York, 1182 01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:16,679 and I found a stamp dealer 1183 01:05:16,712 --> 01:05:19,282 who sold me a whole box full of stamps, 1184 01:05:19,315 --> 01:05:24,620 because I always had a little entrepreneurial spirit about things. 1185 01:05:24,654 --> 01:05:29,525 Maybe I should find out how that business operated. 1186 01:05:29,558 --> 01:05:32,395 How I'm going to sell this box full of stamps? 1187 01:05:32,428 --> 01:05:34,597 So I wrote a little ad 1188 01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:38,100 describing the box and the stamps in it. 1189 01:05:38,134 --> 01:05:41,203 Priced it $18.75. 1190 01:05:41,237 --> 01:05:44,307 Well, apparently it turned a number of people on 1191 01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:48,244 because I got something like 10 to 20 orders. 1192 01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:52,415 So I go back to New York and see the same stamp dealer 1193 01:05:52,448 --> 01:05:54,417 and buy more stuff. 1194 01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,585 The stamp dealer said to me, 1195 01:05:56,619 --> 01:06:00,756 "What are you gonna do with all these names you got?" 1196 01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:02,491 I said, "What do you mean?" 1197 01:06:02,525 --> 01:06:04,427 He said, "Well, these were customers." 1198 01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:06,262 You now have developed them." 1199 01:06:06,295 --> 01:06:08,631 It was August of 1945, 1200 01:06:08,664 --> 01:06:10,800 and I did my first price list. 1201 01:06:10,833 --> 01:06:16,205 And as of last week, I'm up to number 3,630. 1202 01:06:16,238 --> 01:06:18,774 [music plays] 1203 01:06:33,322 --> 01:06:36,158 Right around 1970, 1204 01:06:36,192 --> 01:06:39,829 the Vietnam War was going on at a good clip. 1205 01:06:39,862 --> 01:06:44,300 Investing in what I call "paper gold" 1206 01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:46,736 might not be a bad idea. 1207 01:06:46,769 --> 01:06:49,839 So I got a half a dozen people together locally, 1208 01:06:49,872 --> 01:06:52,675 and we went out and bought stamps, 1209 01:06:52,708 --> 01:06:56,312 and I dominated the big auctions in New York, 1210 01:06:56,345 --> 01:06:58,247 buying the stamps, 1211 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,484 like the famous stamp of the upside-down airplane. 1212 01:07:01,517 --> 01:07:05,821 I got a phone call at home, a local newspaper calling 1213 01:07:05,855 --> 01:07:10,493 saying that they had just got news that this rare stamp 1214 01:07:10,526 --> 01:07:13,429 was going to be sold at public auction 1215 01:07:13,462 --> 01:07:16,332 and was I going to be interested in it. 1216 01:07:16,365 --> 01:07:20,369 Was I going to buy the British Guiana stamp? 1217 01:07:23,372 --> 01:07:26,509 Well, I had seen it once before. 1218 01:07:26,542 --> 01:07:29,512 I was only 12 years old at the time. 1219 01:07:29,545 --> 01:07:34,550 I was at the New York World's Fair. 1220 01:07:34,583 --> 01:07:40,389 There it was, in a case of glass, the one-cent Magenta. 1221 01:07:45,394 --> 01:07:47,663 [man] Ladies and gentlemen, 1222 01:07:47,696 --> 01:07:51,534 before we go and sell lot number 279, 1223 01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:53,669 I would like to make a little announcement. 1224 01:07:53,702 --> 01:07:57,373 This is the British Guiana, one cent, black on magenta, 1225 01:07:57,406 --> 01:07:59,842 issued in 1856. 1226 01:07:59,875 --> 01:08:03,779 This is known as the world's most valuable stamp, 1227 01:08:03,813 --> 01:08:06,449 known as the most valuable object 1228 01:08:06,482 --> 01:08:08,617 for its size and weight in existence. 1229 01:08:08,651 --> 01:08:10,586 We hope to prove that shortly. 1230 01:08:10,619 --> 01:08:12,688 That night, I get out of my seat, 1231 01:08:12,721 --> 01:08:15,324 and I walked to the back of the room, 1232 01:08:15,357 --> 01:08:17,593 and I just didn't do anything 1233 01:08:17,626 --> 01:08:21,564 until it hit about 150,000 or so, 1234 01:08:21,597 --> 01:08:25,601 and then I put my hand up and just kept it up. 1235 01:08:25,634 --> 01:08:29,271 [man] At 260,000, at 260,000 I have, 1236 01:08:29,305 --> 01:08:31,574 this against you, ma'am, at 260,000. 1237 01:08:31,607 --> 01:08:36,545 At $280,000, in the far rear at $280,000. 1238 01:08:36,579 --> 01:08:40,449 At 280,000 I have, at 280,000. 1239 01:08:40,483 --> 01:08:42,952 Fair warning, this is the last call. 1240 01:08:42,985 --> 01:08:48,524 Sold to Mr. Irwin Weinberg at $280,000. 1241 01:08:48,557 --> 01:08:53,429 It was like a mob of mad men 1242 01:08:53,462 --> 01:08:55,865 coming right at me. 1243 01:08:59,368 --> 01:09:01,604 I was never so frightened in my life. 1244 01:09:01,637 --> 01:09:03,639 I couldn't believe where they were going. 1245 01:09:03,672 --> 01:09:05,374 They were coming to me! 1246 01:09:05,407 --> 01:09:08,244 The next morning, I thought to myself, 1247 01:09:08,277 --> 01:09:09,945 I'm going downstairs 1248 01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:12,948 and see what they say in the newspapers about it. 1249 01:09:12,982 --> 01:09:16,452 So I go to the newspaper stand and I said, 1250 01:09:16,485 --> 01:09:19,255 "Do you mind if I look at the New York Times for a minute? 1251 01:09:19,288 --> 01:09:21,257 I'm looking to see if there's something there." 1252 01:09:21,290 --> 01:09:23,859 I went all through the paper and didn't see a thing. 1253 01:09:23,893 --> 01:09:25,761 I looked in the business section, 1254 01:09:25,794 --> 01:09:28,898 the entertainment section, nothing. Hmm. 1255 01:09:28,931 --> 01:09:31,000 I put it back and said, "Thank you very much." 1256 01:09:31,033 --> 01:09:35,371 She said, "Excuse me, sir, but did you look at the front page?" 1257 01:09:35,404 --> 01:09:38,641 I said, "No." She said, "You better look at it." 1258 01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:41,911 I looked at it, turned it over and there I was. 1259 01:09:45,047 --> 01:09:47,483 Well, the British Guiana is a storied, 1260 01:09:47,516 --> 01:09:49,385 wonderful, storied stamp. 1261 01:09:49,418 --> 01:09:52,488 It was issued in 1856 in British Guiana 1262 01:09:52,521 --> 01:09:55,491 in a situation where the stamps that had been 1263 01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:59,328 produced in Britain for British Guiana were delayed. 1264 01:09:59,361 --> 01:10:02,731 And so the local post office had to produce their own stamps. 1265 01:10:02,765 --> 01:10:06,035 But the stamps they produced were so crude in the sense 1266 01:10:06,068 --> 01:10:09,505 that the postmaster said the postal clerks 1267 01:10:09,538 --> 01:10:12,374 really had to sign each stamp, initial it, 1268 01:10:12,408 --> 01:10:18,314 before delivering it in order to ensure it's a genuineness. 1269 01:10:18,347 --> 01:10:21,650 But the famous one-cent, the famous one-cent. 1270 01:10:21,684 --> 01:10:23,452 Well, it's unique. 1271 01:10:23,485 --> 01:10:25,955 Only a small number were produced of one-cents. 1272 01:10:25,988 --> 01:10:27,957 It's unknown how many there were needed at that point. 1273 01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:29,792 So it was used on newspapers, 1274 01:10:29,825 --> 01:10:32,461 people saved their letters inside envelopes, 1275 01:10:32,494 --> 01:10:34,496 you had stamps on envelopes, 1276 01:10:34,530 --> 01:10:36,832 but the wrappers around the newspaper were not saved, 1277 01:10:36,865 --> 01:10:39,034 and so there wasn't the same sort of opportunity. 1278 01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:41,870 It really wasn't until 1873 1279 01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:43,839 when a 12-year-old boy named Vaughn 1280 01:10:43,872 --> 01:10:47,376 found one of the one-cent Magentas. 1281 01:10:47,409 --> 01:10:49,645 Now, he didn't realize that it was unique. 1282 01:10:49,678 --> 01:10:51,580 He asked a local collector if he could 1283 01:10:51,614 --> 01:10:53,949 sell the local collector some of his stamps. 1284 01:10:53,983 --> 01:10:56,885 The local collector said "Sure," gave him a few shillings 1285 01:10:56,919 --> 01:10:59,388 and then he in turn sold his collection 1286 01:10:59,421 --> 01:11:01,457 to a dealer in Scotland. 1287 01:11:01,490 --> 01:11:03,592 And then he in turn sold it to 1288 01:11:03,626 --> 01:11:07,596 the world's greatest collector of stamps, Count Ferrary. 1289 01:11:07,630 --> 01:11:10,599 At the beginning of the First World War as an Austrian, 1290 01:11:10,633 --> 01:11:13,602 he fled France as an enemy alien, went to Switzerland. 1291 01:11:13,636 --> 01:11:15,638 The stamp stayed behind in Paris, 1292 01:11:15,671 --> 01:11:17,706 and then he died in 1917. 1293 01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:19,708 And in his is will, 1294 01:11:19,742 --> 01:11:21,677 he left his collection to the Berlin Postal Museum. 1295 01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:24,480 The Germans, of course, lost the war, 1296 01:11:24,513 --> 01:11:27,683 and the French seized Ferrary's stamp collection 1297 01:11:27,716 --> 01:11:30,819 as enemy property belonging to Germany 1298 01:11:30,853 --> 01:11:33,956 and sold it in a celebrated series of sales. 1299 01:11:33,989 --> 01:11:38,127 And in 1922, the British Guiana came up for sale 1300 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,462 and set a new world record for a stamp, 1301 01:11:40,496 --> 01:11:44,366 which it consistently did every time it was sold at auction. 1302 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,569 At that sale, famously, you know, King George V 1303 01:11:47,603 --> 01:11:50,072 is supposed to have bid and not gotten the stamp. 1304 01:11:50,105 --> 01:11:52,074 And it went to a man named Arthur Hind, 1305 01:11:52,107 --> 01:11:53,809 who was an industrialist, 1306 01:11:53,842 --> 01:11:55,944 and certainly owning the British Guiana 1307 01:11:55,978 --> 01:11:58,147 made his collection famous, he realized that. 1308 01:11:58,180 --> 01:12:00,115 He was very proud of that 1309 01:12:00,149 --> 01:12:02,718 and created his own a postcard of the stamp in fact. 1310 01:12:02,751 --> 01:12:05,020 And then when he died, there was a great court case 1311 01:12:05,054 --> 01:12:08,691 because he was estranged from his, uh, his widow, 1312 01:12:08,724 --> 01:12:10,859 and she'd been left the contents of his house. 1313 01:12:10,893 --> 01:12:13,996 And it turned out that the stamp actually was still in the house. 1314 01:12:14,029 --> 01:12:16,732 Put it on the market and ultimately sold it 1315 01:12:16,765 --> 01:12:18,534 to a man named Frederick Small 1316 01:12:18,567 --> 01:12:20,436 who made a lot of money in the rayon business. 1317 01:12:20,469 --> 01:12:24,807 And in 1970, it was bought by a syndicate of buyers 1318 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,709 led by Irwin Weinberg, 1319 01:12:26,742 --> 01:12:29,511 famously traveling around the world with a briefcase 1320 01:12:29,545 --> 01:12:33,649 strapped to people's wrists by handcuffs. 1321 01:12:33,682 --> 01:12:36,585 Oh, the showmanship! 1322 01:12:38,654 --> 01:12:41,757 Then after that came a lot of television appearances. 1323 01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:43,158 The Mike Douglas Show. 1324 01:12:43,192 --> 01:12:45,928 To Tell the Truth. Yeah. Yeah. 1325 01:12:45,961 --> 01:12:47,963 And, uh, they didn't guess me, by the way. 1326 01:12:47,996 --> 01:12:49,998 [laughing] 1327 01:12:50,032 --> 01:12:54,470 The Japanese came to me and offered me a marvelous deal 1328 01:12:54,503 --> 01:12:58,006 if I would bring it to Tokyo and exhibit it. 1329 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,109 And I said, "Well, I just don't know, 1330 01:13:00,142 --> 01:13:04,079 I have to talk to my partners and see how they feel about it." 1331 01:13:04,113 --> 01:13:07,549 They said, "But we promise you one thing. 1332 01:13:07,583 --> 01:13:11,053 "It will be shown in Tokyo exactly the way 1333 01:13:11,086 --> 01:13:14,757 we showed when we borrowed the Mona Lisa." 1334 01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:17,559 Well, that was good enough for me. 1335 01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:23,532 We showed it in London, Paris, 1336 01:13:23,565 --> 01:13:26,101 Tokyo, Prague, 1337 01:13:26,135 --> 01:13:31,473 Toronto, New York, and Perth, Australia. 1338 01:13:31,507 --> 01:13:33,041 It would always bring out 1339 01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:36,078 tens of thousands of people to see it. 1340 01:13:40,115 --> 01:13:43,051 Ten years is a long time for any investment. 1341 01:13:43,085 --> 01:13:44,987 The partners were getting a little tired. 1342 01:13:45,020 --> 01:13:48,157 I was getting a little tired. 1343 01:13:48,190 --> 01:13:51,493 And then we decided we'll sell. 1344 01:13:51,527 --> 01:13:54,129 And the venue was going to be the same place 1345 01:13:54,163 --> 01:13:57,166 that we bought it through ten years earlier. 1346 01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:00,769 And I gave a great cocktail party that night, by the way, 1347 01:14:00,803 --> 01:14:02,905 in our suite at the hotel. 1348 01:14:02,938 --> 01:14:05,941 The New Yorker was there. Reuters was there. 1349 01:14:05,974 --> 01:14:07,609 Oh, it was a big, big thing. 1350 01:14:07,643 --> 01:14:10,212 Well, what happens is 1351 01:14:10,245 --> 01:14:13,215 we had $280,000 in this thing. 1352 01:14:13,248 --> 01:14:16,618 The stamp opens a $100,000. 1353 01:14:16,652 --> 01:14:20,989 He goes a 100, 125, half, 200, quarter, half, 1354 01:14:21,023 --> 01:14:24,827 300, quarter, half, 400, quarter, half, 500. 1355 01:14:24,860 --> 01:14:27,963 I then turn to one of my children and say, 1356 01:14:27,996 --> 01:14:31,834 "Go to the telephone, call the liquor store 1357 01:14:31,867 --> 01:14:34,236 and tell them to double the order." 1358 01:14:34,269 --> 01:14:37,639 And if it wasn't, it should've been Dom Perignon. 1359 01:14:37,673 --> 01:14:40,609 [man] 750, 800,000. 1360 01:14:40,642 --> 01:14:43,779 $850,000. 1361 01:14:43,812 --> 01:14:45,881 It's knocked down, sold! 1362 01:14:45,914 --> 01:14:48,116 [reporter] The bidding on the stamp was over so quickly, 1363 01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:50,185 many didn't know who purchased it. 1364 01:14:50,219 --> 01:14:55,123 The British Guiana sold for $850,000 plus 10% commission. 1365 01:14:55,157 --> 01:14:57,593 And no one knows what the new owner will do 1366 01:14:57,626 --> 01:14:59,328 with the world's most precious stamp. 1367 01:14:59,361 --> 01:15:02,297 The new owner has chosen to remain anonymous. 1368 01:15:02,331 --> 01:15:05,567 They had nobody else to talk to but me. 1369 01:15:05,601 --> 01:15:07,903 And I found myself on the front page 1370 01:15:07,936 --> 01:15:10,272 of the New York Times the next morning. 1371 01:15:10,305 --> 01:15:15,177 I never dreamed of doing that twice with the same thing. 1372 01:15:17,813 --> 01:15:22,184 Sometime later, I got a phone call from John Du Pont. 1373 01:15:22,217 --> 01:15:24,820 He said, "I am the buyer of the stamp, 1374 01:15:24,853 --> 01:15:27,789 "and I'd like to pick it up. 1375 01:15:27,823 --> 01:15:29,625 "Meet me in New York 1376 01:15:29,658 --> 01:15:31,593 and then we'll see where we go from there." 1377 01:15:31,627 --> 01:15:33,862 I said, "Great." So I meet him in New York. 1378 01:15:33,896 --> 01:15:38,000 Du Pont says, "Listen," he said, "I'm going to go home, 1379 01:15:38,033 --> 01:15:41,637 and if you would like to come along, I'd love to have you." 1380 01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:45,107 Sure. We went over on the East Side to the heliport. 1381 01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:48,277 He said to the pilot, "I want Mr. Weinberg 1382 01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:52,014 to see the Statue of Liberty on our way out." 1383 01:15:52,047 --> 01:15:57,185 It goes up, right up by the torch and circles it. 1384 01:15:57,219 --> 01:16:01,990 He said, "I just want you to know that I feel very strongly 1385 01:16:02,024 --> 01:16:04,693 "that there are very few people in this world 1386 01:16:04,726 --> 01:16:09,197 "who are qualified personally to own a treasurer such as this, 1387 01:16:09,231 --> 01:16:13,902 and I believe you are the other one." 1388 01:16:13,936 --> 01:16:16,305 [music plays] 1389 01:16:21,843 --> 01:16:26,381 I've kept the memory of this inanimate object alive 1390 01:16:26,415 --> 01:16:31,853 by keeping every scrap of paper that pertains to it. 1391 01:16:33,956 --> 01:16:38,026 There's a history, there are other people who've seen it, 1392 01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:40,829 who have owned it. 1393 01:16:40,862 --> 01:16:42,798 There are records. 1394 01:16:42,831 --> 01:16:45,901 I can produce the cancelled check 1395 01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:47,169 from the British Guiana, 1396 01:16:47,202 --> 01:16:49,871 It's indisputable. 1397 01:16:58,347 --> 01:17:02,217 Du Pont owned it, exhibited it a couple of times, 1398 01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:04,453 but it's really not been seen 1399 01:17:04,486 --> 01:17:08,724 since the 19... the late 1980s. 1400 01:17:08,757 --> 01:17:13,795 And then he, in turn, died in 2010. 1401 01:17:13,829 --> 01:17:18,800 And his estate now has put it up for sale with us. 1402 01:17:21,036 --> 01:17:22,971 The most famous stamp in the world. 1403 01:17:23,005 --> 01:17:24,773 I don't know what it will fetch, 1404 01:17:24,806 --> 01:17:26,808 but let's assume for the sake of argument, 1405 01:17:26,842 --> 01:17:28,310 brings a price never before heard of by man or beast. 1406 01:17:28,343 --> 01:17:30,312 $5,000,000. 1407 01:17:30,345 --> 01:17:34,316 Well, you can't buy a third rate old master for $5,000,000! 1408 01:17:34,349 --> 01:17:36,018 Yeah, I think it's ugly. 1409 01:17:36,051 --> 01:17:37,452 That's not to say anybody else does. 1410 01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,187 I mean, I know that a lot of people 1411 01:17:39,221 --> 01:17:40,889 who think it's absolutely magnificent. 1412 01:17:40,922 --> 01:17:42,958 Uh, I know a lot of people who think 1413 01:17:42,991 --> 01:17:45,060 that what I'm collecting is ugly or boring. 1414 01:17:45,093 --> 01:17:47,029 That's the beauty of stamp collecting, 1415 01:17:47,062 --> 01:17:48,964 there's no right and there's no wrong. 1416 01:17:48,997 --> 01:17:51,967 A hundred Rothkos out there 1417 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,969 and 10,000 Picassos, 1418 01:17:54,002 --> 01:17:56,038 but there's only one Penny Magenta, 1419 01:17:56,071 --> 01:17:58,140 and someone is going to really get off on that. 1420 01:17:58,173 --> 01:18:00,008 It won't be me, alas. 1421 01:18:00,042 --> 01:18:04,479 Stamps, I think, are very, very, very inexpensive. 1422 01:18:04,513 --> 01:18:10,252 They have a lot further to go value-wise than many other items. 1423 01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:15,457 Somebody pays $28,000,000 for some obnoxious painting. 1424 01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:19,027 There isn't a $28,000,000 stamp. 1425 01:18:19,061 --> 01:18:23,131 The great pieces of philately, in my opinion, are dirt cheap. 1426 01:18:23,165 --> 01:18:25,033 Dirt cheap. They always have been. 1427 01:18:25,067 --> 01:18:27,302 [indistinct chatting] 1428 01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:32,407 [gavel pounds] 1429 01:18:32,441 --> 01:18:33,809 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 1430 01:18:33,842 --> 01:18:35,343 My Name is David Redden, 1431 01:18:35,377 --> 01:18:37,345 and I want to welcome you to Sotheby's 1432 01:18:37,379 --> 01:18:41,149 and our sale this evening of the British Guiana. 1433 01:18:41,183 --> 01:18:47,055 And I will start the bidding at $4,500,000. 1434 01:18:47,089 --> 01:18:49,458 It's at $4,500,000 now. 1435 01:18:49,491 --> 01:18:53,261 At $5,000,000 now, bidding at $5,000,000. 1436 01:18:53,295 --> 01:18:56,264 At $5,500,000. 1437 01:18:56,298 --> 01:18:59,367 At $5,500,000. 1438 01:18:59,401 --> 01:19:03,071 At $6,000,000 now, $6,000,000. 1439 01:19:03,105 --> 01:19:05,941 $6,500,000. 1440 01:19:05,974 --> 01:19:08,543 At $6,500,000. 1441 01:19:08,577 --> 01:19:12,013 At $7,500,000. 1442 01:19:13,915 --> 01:19:18,353 At $7,500,000. Any advance? 1443 01:19:21,089 --> 01:19:23,558 At $7,700,000. 1444 01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:25,994 At $7,700,000. 1445 01:19:26,027 --> 01:19:29,297 $7,800,000. 1446 01:19:29,331 --> 01:19:32,000 $7,900,000. 1447 01:19:32,033 --> 01:19:36,304 On the telephone, at $7,900,000. 1448 01:19:36,338 --> 01:19:41,076 Fair warning, at $7,900,000. 1449 01:19:41,109 --> 01:19:45,480 On the telephone, then, $7,900,000. 1450 01:19:45,514 --> 01:19:50,018 [pounds gavel] $7,900,000. 1451 01:19:50,051 --> 01:19:53,121 [applause] 1452 01:20:14,142 --> 01:20:17,012 You have to accept this idea. 1453 01:20:17,045 --> 01:20:20,916 The British Guiana is "the" unique. 1454 01:20:20,949 --> 01:20:24,386 Unique means there is no other. 1455 01:20:24,419 --> 01:20:29,157 Nothing has a history like the British Guiana. 1456 01:20:29,191 --> 01:20:35,130 It's sheer ugliness makes it beautiful, really. 1457 01:20:35,163 --> 01:20:37,098 Yeah. 1458 01:20:39,267 --> 01:20:44,105 [Redden] This sets a brand-new world record for a stamp, 1459 01:20:44,139 --> 01:20:48,143 and the fact that this rather wonderful 1460 01:20:48,176 --> 01:20:50,212 but very small object 1461 01:20:50,245 --> 01:20:54,482 brought nearly $9.5 million 1462 01:20:54,516 --> 01:20:58,386 shows that the market is strong, it's really strong. 1463 01:21:04,359 --> 01:21:06,962 [music plays] 1464 01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:24,112 I'm Stuart Weitzman, 1465 01:21:24,145 --> 01:21:26,982 and women say I'm more famous for my shoes, 1466 01:21:27,015 --> 01:21:28,650 but for the past few days, 1467 01:21:28,683 --> 01:21:30,986 a lot of the stamp collectors in the world know me 1468 01:21:31,019 --> 01:21:34,422 because I've bought the British Guiana stamp. 1469 01:21:36,992 --> 01:21:40,962 When I was ten years old, my brother collected stamps, 1470 01:21:40,996 --> 01:21:44,733 and I inherited his collection when he went off to university. 1471 01:21:44,766 --> 01:21:47,202 There isn't a place in the international album 1472 01:21:47,235 --> 01:21:49,004 to put the British Guiana. 1473 01:21:49,037 --> 01:21:51,640 No one who has this album ever expects 1474 01:21:51,673 --> 01:21:54,242 that it's anything more than symbolic, 1475 01:21:54,276 --> 01:21:56,978 to show us that there are great rarities. 1476 01:21:58,546 --> 01:22:01,449 I was reading about the British Guiana stamp 1477 01:22:01,483 --> 01:22:06,521 in a New York Times article on its up-and-coming sale 1478 01:22:06,554 --> 01:22:08,556 several months down the road. 1479 01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:10,525 It had been publicized for a long time. 1480 01:22:10,558 --> 01:22:13,261 The man who owned it, we all know the story, 1481 01:22:13,295 --> 01:22:15,497 he had killed his wrestler, 1482 01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:17,999 spent the rest of his life in jail, 1483 01:22:18,033 --> 01:22:19,534 and until he passed away, 1484 01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:22,070 the stamp was not available for sale. 1485 01:22:22,103 --> 01:22:26,608 And I, I can see that page with that hole where that stamp goes. 1486 01:22:26,641 --> 01:22:31,112 And I said, "Okay, I'm going to make a phone call." 1487 01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:38,620 I've often had a frustration with items 1488 01:22:38,653 --> 01:22:41,256 that I think the world should see 1489 01:22:41,289 --> 01:22:45,427 and have a chance to appreciate that owners don't let out. 1490 01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:48,396 And I often try to convince the owner 1491 01:22:48,430 --> 01:22:51,099 to display them or sell them. 1492 01:22:51,132 --> 01:22:54,235 There are a lot of people who would have a great interest 1493 01:22:54,269 --> 01:22:58,640 in seeing items such as this stamp and documents 1494 01:22:58,673 --> 01:23:01,276 that are rare and other things of that nature. 1495 01:23:01,309 --> 01:23:03,378 Not everyone cares. 1496 01:23:03,411 --> 01:23:07,082 Um, but enough people do that they should have that chance. 1497 01:23:07,115 --> 01:23:09,284 That's the beauty, of course, of museums. 1498 01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:11,486 Anybody can see anything in a museum. 1499 01:23:11,519 --> 01:23:13,822 They're not warehouses. 1500 01:23:13,855 --> 01:23:17,359 They're not storing things, there for showing things. 1501 01:23:17,392 --> 01:23:20,295 I decided that this would be a good way 1502 01:23:20,328 --> 01:23:22,797 to fulfill one of my ambitions, 1503 01:23:22,831 --> 01:23:25,467 and, uh, alleviate one of my frustrations 1504 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,303 about the fact that: here's the stamp. 1505 01:23:28,336 --> 01:23:30,672 160-170 years old. 1506 01:23:30,705 --> 01:23:33,641 Very few people have ever had a chance to see it. 1507 01:23:33,675 --> 01:23:35,610 The few owners who have had it 1508 01:23:35,643 --> 01:23:38,480 have kept it under lock and key. 1509 01:23:38,513 --> 01:23:42,283 You know, the excitement of obtaining something 1510 01:23:42,317 --> 01:23:47,555 at a highly publicized auction, the adrenaline that flows. 1511 01:23:47,589 --> 01:23:51,393 Any bidder will tell you. 1512 01:23:51,426 --> 01:23:53,728 I don't know how you duplicate that, 1513 01:23:53,762 --> 01:23:56,097 and the pleasure I am getting out of it 1514 01:23:56,131 --> 01:23:59,267 for its availability to the public, 1515 01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:04,439 I expected but never as much as it's been so far. 1516 01:24:04,472 --> 01:24:08,243 It's at the Smithsonian Postal Museum in Washington 1517 01:24:08,276 --> 01:24:12,847 and temporarily on display at events around the world. 1518 01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:16,651 The British Guiana stamp certainly has its fame, 1519 01:24:16,684 --> 01:24:20,388 not because of its beauty and design. 1520 01:24:20,422 --> 01:24:25,360 When I hear someone say, "It's a gorgeous magenta color," 1521 01:24:25,393 --> 01:24:27,295 I think, I make leather 1522 01:24:27,328 --> 01:24:29,831 that's better-looking magenta than that, you know? 1523 01:24:29,864 --> 01:24:33,501 It isn't about being a gorgeous stamp. 1524 01:24:33,535 --> 01:24:35,470 That's not what it's about. 1525 01:24:35,503 --> 01:24:37,539 The stamp is about being rare 1526 01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:43,144 and having stories behind it and how it was found. 1527 01:24:43,178 --> 01:24:47,382 I met people whose business was stamps 1528 01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:50,285 and others whose hobby was stamps. 1529 01:24:50,318 --> 01:24:52,387 They both had a great passion for it. 1530 01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:56,257 I got the impression that those for whom it was a business, 1531 01:24:56,291 --> 01:24:57,792 it was also a hobby. 1532 01:24:57,826 --> 01:25:00,829 All collectors have the same passion. 1533 01:25:00,862 --> 01:25:05,400 You know, you almost never think you can get everything you want, 1534 01:25:05,433 --> 01:25:07,602 and you really, generally don't. 1535 01:25:07,635 --> 01:25:10,472 So the challenge is there, continually. 1536 01:25:10,505 --> 01:25:14,409 The story behind what you find is exciting. 1537 01:25:14,442 --> 01:25:17,879 So many collectors have told me how they found this piece 1538 01:25:17,912 --> 01:25:20,615 that they're showing or that piece that they're showing. 1539 01:25:20,648 --> 01:25:24,719 They're the Sherlock Holmes of their trade. 1540 01:25:24,752 --> 01:25:27,822 It's, uh, it's brought a little extra fun in my life. 1541 01:25:27,856 --> 01:25:29,891 Truthfully, it has. 1542 01:25:29,924 --> 01:25:35,396 If I were in a position where someone wanted to buy it from me 1543 01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:39,601 and it would've resulted in, say, in a wonderful profit 1544 01:25:39,634 --> 01:25:41,636 that I would not have expected, 1545 01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:44,472 I would have to think, 1546 01:25:44,506 --> 01:25:46,608 what would I do with the money? 1547 01:25:49,277 --> 01:25:54,315 I don't show these stamps to encourage others to go buy things. 1548 01:25:54,349 --> 01:25:56,885 I want people to see it. 1549 01:25:56,918 --> 01:26:00,221 It's simple. It's not more complicated than that. 1550 01:26:00,255 --> 01:26:02,957 That's exactly how simple it is. 1551 01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:05,260 Here's something that I love to see. 1552 01:26:05,293 --> 01:26:08,463 I have a chance, here's your chance 1553 01:26:23,678 --> 01:26:25,713 Why stamps? 1554 01:26:25,747 --> 01:26:28,016 To those who know, there's no answer necessary. 1555 01:26:28,049 --> 01:26:31,452 To those who don't, there's no answer possible. 1556 01:26:31,486 --> 01:26:34,489 And that really is what it comes down to. 1557 01:26:34,522 --> 01:26:36,291 A lot about collecting, you know, 1558 01:26:36,324 --> 01:26:39,494 a lot about many of the interests that I have 1559 01:26:39,527 --> 01:26:41,496 and I think a lot of people have. 1560 01:26:41,529 --> 01:26:45,366 I'm not sure there's a logical reason. 1561 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:50,471 How many walks of life are there where you can find something, 1562 01:26:50,505 --> 01:26:53,374 you can discover something about the world 1563 01:26:53,408 --> 01:26:54,842 that nobody else knows, 1564 01:26:54,876 --> 01:26:57,946 nobody else has discovered, yet? 1565 01:26:57,979 --> 01:27:01,316 It's a unique opportunity, and, and... 1566 01:27:01,349 --> 01:27:04,752 you can find it in all sorts of areas of philately. 1567 01:27:04,786 --> 01:27:08,022 It's not just one place. 1568 01:27:08,056 --> 01:27:12,627 You can become the expert in your field of philately. 1569 01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:14,896 You can write a book that's never been published. 1570 01:27:14,929 --> 01:27:16,831 You can share it with your colleagues 1571 01:27:16,864 --> 01:27:21,469 and be esteemed as an expert in your field. 1572 01:27:21,502 --> 01:27:23,905 It's that opportunity of discovery. 1573 01:27:23,938 --> 01:27:25,607 It's hard put it into words, 1574 01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,809 but I think stamps can be beautiful. 1575 01:27:27,842 --> 01:27:30,445 It's a progression of history, 1576 01:27:30,478 --> 01:27:34,549 the culture and artistic tastes, 1577 01:27:34,582 --> 01:27:36,317 and the topics change over time. 1578 01:27:36,351 --> 01:27:38,419 So it's really like a time capsule 1579 01:27:38,453 --> 01:27:40,021 as you look at, uh, the stamps 1580 01:27:40,054 --> 01:27:41,923 that had been issued over a hundred years. 1581 01:27:41,956 --> 01:27:44,058 It's generally a curious mind 1582 01:27:44,092 --> 01:27:46,461 that wants to collect and wants to learn. 1583 01:27:46,494 --> 01:27:48,963 Every collector is really a curator 1584 01:27:48,997 --> 01:27:50,465 of his own little museum. 1585 01:27:50,498 --> 01:27:51,899 You know, I don't know 1586 01:27:51,933 --> 01:27:53,568 what the future of our hobbies is, 1587 01:27:53,601 --> 01:27:56,738 but I can imagine, in a really space-- 1588 01:27:56,771 --> 01:27:59,374 outer-space-kind-of-driven future. 1589 01:27:59,407 --> 01:28:02,343 Someone's going to put a whole bunch of stamps on a computer chip 1590 01:28:02,377 --> 01:28:04,345 and embed it in the back of my brain, 1591 01:28:04,379 --> 01:28:07,582 and then I can just flip through the catalog of life 1592 01:28:07,615 --> 01:28:10,418 and see every stamp ever coming out 1593 01:28:10,451 --> 01:28:14,789 and just lie there in the chair, thinking and say, 1594 01:28:14,822 --> 01:28:16,624 "Okay, organize every stamp 1595 01:28:16,658 --> 01:28:19,827 that's got a cat that's black and white." 1596 01:28:19,861 --> 01:28:21,596 And suddenly, instantly, 1597 01:28:21,629 --> 01:28:23,031 there I'm going to look at all these cats 1598 01:28:23,064 --> 01:28:25,033 as I'm petting the one on my lap. 1599 01:28:25,066 --> 01:28:29,103 You know, I just think we can't even imagine the options 1600 01:28:29,137 --> 01:28:32,740 and possibilities that this hobby can provide for us. 1601 01:28:32,774 --> 01:28:34,609 It's passion. 1602 01:28:34,642 --> 01:28:37,078 You can't fake passion. 1603 01:28:37,111 --> 01:28:39,514 It doesn't matter whether you're black, you're white, 1604 01:28:39,547 --> 01:28:41,783 you're man, you're a woman, you're gay, you're straight, 1605 01:28:41,816 --> 01:28:43,785 you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, 1606 01:28:43,818 --> 01:28:47,388 we're there because we all have our own odd passion in stamps. 1607 01:28:47,422 --> 01:28:51,125 I just, I just wish sometimes that, you know, 1608 01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:52,760 you can communicate to other people, 1609 01:28:52,794 --> 01:28:54,862 either you get it or you don't. 1610 01:28:54,896 --> 01:28:59,033 And just-- when you get it, and the light bulb goes off... 1611 01:28:59,067 --> 01:29:01,002 I mean, shit, it's fun! 1612 01:29:01,035 --> 01:29:02,970 [Ian] Sorry. 1613 01:29:03,004 --> 01:29:06,107 I look at most things as passing things, I guess. 1614 01:29:06,140 --> 01:29:08,776 I tend to view the world as... 1615 01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:11,112 7 billion people 1616 01:29:11,145 --> 01:29:13,815 you know, created 15 billion years ago, 1617 01:29:13,848 --> 01:29:16,484 and there'll be another 15 billion on top of that. 1618 01:29:16,517 --> 01:29:19,120 And so, you know, so a stamp collection, 1619 01:29:19,153 --> 01:29:22,890 how meaningful is that within the context of humanity 1620 01:29:22,924 --> 01:29:26,661 and the history that we've had and will have, 1621 01:29:26,694 --> 01:29:28,996 uh, you know, when I'm no longer here? 1622 01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:31,666 Um, you know, it was fun to do. 1623 01:29:31,699 --> 01:29:35,703 Is it the achievement of my life? No. 1624 01:29:35,737 --> 01:29:39,440 Um, I would hope that would be my family, 1625 01:29:39,474 --> 01:29:41,743 and, uh, second of all, my career. 1626 01:29:41,776 --> 01:29:44,512 And this was a hobby, and, yeah, it was great, 1627 01:29:44,545 --> 01:29:47,582 and I am glad I did it and sort of proud. 1628 01:29:47,615 --> 01:29:50,885 It's like, um, it's a fun thing. 1629 01:29:50,918 --> 01:29:52,987 [chuckles] 1630 01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:55,556 I probably haven't looked at my collection in 20 years, 1631 01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:57,825 which is amazing because I could tell you all about it. 1632 01:29:57,859 --> 01:29:59,494 I could tell you the various stamps, 1633 01:29:59,527 --> 01:30:01,696 and you know, the Lindbergh stamp, 1634 01:30:01,729 --> 01:30:05,700 which was a big deal because living Americans weren't on stamps, 1635 01:30:05,733 --> 01:30:08,770 but they got around it by just having the plane as opposed to him, 1636 01:30:08,803 --> 01:30:11,172 which is better because the plane is more noteworthy anyway. 1637 01:30:11,205 --> 01:30:12,974 It's so odd. It's like your hometown. 1638 01:30:13,007 --> 01:30:15,009 I know they're there, I'm glad they're there. 1639 01:30:15,042 --> 01:30:17,111 Every once in a while, my kids look at them and they say, 1640 01:30:17,145 --> 01:30:19,180 "Why don't you-- you know, you could sell these." 1641 01:30:19,213 --> 01:30:21,549 I'm like, "Well, but I can't conceive of selling them 1642 01:30:21,582 --> 01:30:23,551 because they're part of who I am." 1643 01:30:23,584 --> 01:30:26,854 In a chaotic and often frightening world, 1644 01:30:26,888 --> 01:30:29,557 stamp collecting is a way to create 1645 01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:31,626 a beautiful order and symmetry 1646 01:30:31,659 --> 01:30:36,197 that might be hard for some people to find anywhere else. 1647 01:30:36,230 --> 01:30:38,866 I will not retire willingly from this business. 1648 01:30:38,900 --> 01:30:40,735 They will find me slumped over my desk 1649 01:30:40,768 --> 01:30:42,136 with a pair of gold stamp tongs, 1650 01:30:42,170 --> 01:30:44,172 deader than a doornail. 1651 01:30:44,205 --> 01:30:47,809 But I will not voluntarily quit because it's been too much fun. 1652 01:30:47,842 --> 01:30:49,911 I love my clients. I love my work. 1653 01:30:49,944 --> 01:30:53,614 It's fascinating, intriguing, 1654 01:30:53,648 --> 01:30:55,183 mind-expanding, 1655 01:30:55,216 --> 01:30:57,585 and something which allows us 1656 01:30:57,618 --> 01:31:03,157 to always be an academic student of the subject. 1657 01:31:03,191 --> 01:31:06,694 Because there is a phantasmagoria of things to know 1658 01:31:06,727 --> 01:31:10,998 about an incalculable number of different items. 1659 01:31:11,032 --> 01:31:14,569 So it's something that one can devote their life to, 1660 01:31:14,602 --> 01:31:18,239 trying to gain a modest understanding of, 1661 01:31:18,272 --> 01:31:21,776 and for me, that is the great fascination of philately 1662 01:31:21,809 --> 01:31:26,814 and is why I love it dearly now as I did 50 years ago. 1663 01:31:31,052 --> 01:31:33,988 All kids have a dream. 1664 01:31:34,021 --> 01:31:35,923 I talked to myself, 1665 01:31:35,957 --> 01:31:39,026 someday I'm going to get outta this town. 1666 01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:42,964 That's what I had in the back of my mind. 1667 01:31:42,997 --> 01:31:46,167 That I was going to go to New York 1668 01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,804 and do a Horatio Alger bit, 1669 01:31:49,837 --> 01:31:53,241 and in due course 1670 01:31:53,274 --> 01:31:57,211 be known to every head waiter 1671 01:31:57,245 --> 01:32:00,581 and every night club in New York City 1672 01:32:00,615 --> 01:32:04,719 and take-- own New York City in that way. 1673 01:32:07,221 --> 01:32:09,824 That's all I wanted to do. 1674 01:32:09,857 --> 01:32:11,893 And all of a sudden, I'm doing it. 1675 01:32:15,963 --> 01:32:18,633 And by the way, on the back of that stamp 1676 01:32:18,666 --> 01:32:23,905 are several initials of the former owners. 1677 01:32:23,938 --> 01:32:26,274 I added mine. 1678 01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:28,175 So if I ever see it again, 1679 01:32:28,209 --> 01:32:31,612 I'll know if it's the real thing. 1680 01:32:31,646 --> 01:32:33,347 [chuckles] 1681 01:32:33,381 --> 01:32:35,950 [music plays] 1682 01:32:54,969 --> 01:32:57,305 [music plays] 136863

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