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You made it!
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Surprise!
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Let's go!
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Wow.
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How'd you do that?
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Usually, they have test ones
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like this at the store.
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This one handles
way better, though.
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It isn't beat up yet.
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Whoops. I'll fix it.
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Wow.
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Check this out!
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Nola, are...
are you seeing this?
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Girls!
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Here you go, baby.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Girls?
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- Here you go, sweetheart.
- Thanks.
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Hi, Mrs. Toles.
It's so nice to meet you.
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It's really nice
to meet you too, Sawyer.
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After everything
Nola's told me about you,
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I guess, I imagined
you'd be 12 feet tall.
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Well, I am normal size.
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- Did you bike here?
- Mm-hmm.
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Don't you live down at the base?
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Yeah.
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Do your parents know
you're here?
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Dad and Jill? Yeah.
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They said they were busy,
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so I got up extra early
to bike over.
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Wouldn't want
to let my friend down.
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Aww. Well, come on in.
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You have your own room?
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No.
It's me and Holden.
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- Where's his name?
- Well, I make the rules.
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Whoa.
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Holy!
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You have a TV in your room?
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Whoa! What...
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Where did you get all of this?
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My mom. We watch a lot
of movies at night.
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- Can I show you something?
-Yeah.
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Come on.
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Whoa.
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Don't tell Holden.
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Did you guys wash up?
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Yeah.
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Are you sure?
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-S... Sawyer didn't.
-Mind your own business!
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I'm just saying!
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That's not where we keep
the dishes, dear.
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Oh, um, you're right.
I'm sorry, Mrs. Toles.
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Why don't you wash up?
Dinner's ready.
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So, Robyn,
she was following me,
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and she kept yelling,
"Nerd alert, nerd alert."
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And it was so annoying!
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And I told her to stop,
but she wouldn't listen.
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So then, Sawyer, she's like...
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"You better stop, or else..."
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And... and then Robyn's like,
"Or else what?"
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"Are you gonna tattletale
on me?"
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And, so Sawyer,
she leans in super-close,
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and she whispers something
to her,
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and then Robyn,
she turns around,
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she apologizes to me,
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and then she walks away.
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Wait, what did you say to her?
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Um... I just asked her nicely
to apologize to my friend.
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And how are you
enjoying middle school, Sawyer?
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Um, I like it a lot.
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It's way better
than my last school.
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How so?
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Everything's just,
like, really clean and new.
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Hmm.
Do you like your teachers?
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Yeah. They're just...
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...like, really into teaching.
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Okay...
...this one time...
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I forgot to do
my math homework, right?
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And Mr. Munroe,
actually called my house!
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It was so funny,
and he was furious.
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And he was on the phone
with my dad for like an hour.
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What a loser!
I'm like, get a life!
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Uh, Mrs. Toles,
could we be ex...
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could we be excused? Um...
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
The food was amazing.
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- Thank you so much.
-You're welcome.
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What?
You're gonna miss the movie.
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Only for a minute.
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You don't have any scary movies?
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Um, well, we don't
really like scary movies.
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That's just because
you haven't watched
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the right ones.
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Okay.
So, we're gonna start with this,
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um, and then,
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maybe if we have time...
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How we doing?
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Good.
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Good. All right, well,
unfortunately, it is bedtime.
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Time to clean up.
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What...
...wait? Bedtime already?
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Bedtime's nine o'clock.
No exceptions.
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It's getting late.
You need to get home.
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Uh... uh, Mrs. Toles.
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Do you allow sleepovers?
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You can come back
some other time,
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and you can watch as many movies
with Nola as you'd like.
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Right now it's getting late.
You need to get home.
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You don't want
your parents to worry.
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My parents,
they don't worry.
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Let's get you packed up.
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- Did you hear that?
- We... we should get Mom.
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[muffled] Guys...
It's Sawyer!
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Come on! I'm out back.
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Sawyer!
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Hey!
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Guess we're having
a sleepover after all.
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Shh...
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Why does your mom
have all these crazy locks
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around the house?
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To keep us safe at night.
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Uh, that's insane!
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This is the safest neighborhood
I've ever seen.
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You shouldn't have
come back here.
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You say that now,
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but wait till you see
what I brought.
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A black square
from another dimension!
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A creepy haunted doll!
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A serial killer chopping up
the neighborhood kids!
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Oh, never mind, this one sucks.
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Hey? Everything okay?
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Don't be scared.
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Uh, maybe we can watch
one of my movies,
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then we can watch one of yours.
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Okay.
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It's a sleepover.
This is what best friends do.
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- Okay?
- Yeah, okay.
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- Which one do we watch first?
- That one.
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- This?
- I'll show you how to put it in.
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- Okay.
- Come on.
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Okay, watch,
watch, watch.
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She's gonna stab the knife
into his throat.
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It's gonna be so cool.
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Just give it a second,
just give it a second...
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-Ew!
- Isn't that so cool?
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Come on.
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Could we, maybe,
watch a different movie now?
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Shh.
It's getting to the good part.
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Why are we watching this?
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Shh!
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Did you like it?
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No.
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Was it too scary?
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No, it was just... gross.
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You think you can do better?
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All right, Nola,
give us your best scary story!
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I don't think I have one.
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Come on,
everyone has at least one.
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Well, there was this one kid...
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his name was Tucker.
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He and his family moved
to a new neighborhood.
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It was kind of like this one.
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The people and the houses,
you know?
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But, this neighborhood
had a dark secret.
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When Tucker and his family
first moved in,
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folks from around
the neighborhood warned
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his dad and mom about a whistle
that came from the woods.
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Tucker couldn't really hear much
of what they were saying,
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but he could tell
it was serious.
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And one night,
his dad told him
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that if he ever heard anything,
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anything coming
from the woods at 3:00 a.m.,
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to stay in bed
and go back to sleep.
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The problem was,
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Tucker didn't listen
to his parents.
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And he'd sneak out
of bed sometimes
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to hear the whistle.
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And he could hear it real well
if he was in the right spot.
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The thing is, if you hear
the whistle every night,
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it lures you in.
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It wants to be found.
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And one night, Tucker just
couldn't take it anymore.
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He needed to know
what was going on,
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and so,
he drew up his blinds and...
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No one ever saw him again.
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Whoa.
That was a nice story.
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For being about a scary whistle.
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Where did you hear that one?
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We hear it every night.
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Wait, so you're saying
that's this neighborhood?
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Nuh-uh, nice try.
You almost got me there, though.
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We should go to bed.
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Wait, guys, I thought we were
gonna watch another movie.
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Nola, Holden, come on.
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We have to be quiet, okay?
My mom might hear.
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Ugh.
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No way.
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Who's there?
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Is this a trick?
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Did Nola put you up to this?
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Sawyer?
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Sawyer?
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Hey! What did you see?
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It's here.
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Upstairs, now!
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Hey, is that Sawyer?
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It's me, Mr. Toles.
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Come on outside.
I'd love to meet you.
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Come to me!
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I'm gonna have to ask you
to step outside.
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Wait, what?
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I can't let it
hurt my family again.
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It wants you.
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Please... please don't
make me go outside.
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Please.
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Please, I don't want to die.
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I know I broke the rules,
I know I shouldn't have.
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Please, please, please!
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I'm not gonna ask you again.
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Mom?
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Go to your room!
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I'm sorry, Sawyer.
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Aah!
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Hey, Nola.
It's Sawyer.
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Do you want to keep playing?
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Please listen Nola.
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I have so many things
I want to show you.
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Welcome back from The Void.
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Thanks for watching.
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I'm David Cummings, the creator
and host of the NoSleep podcast.
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Today, we're joined
by author Travis Brown,
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writer of the NoSleep story
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"Something Walks Whistling Past
My House Every Night at 3:03,"
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which we've adapted
into the episode titled,
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"Whistle in the Woods."
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Welcome, Travis.
Thanks for being with us today.
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David, thank you so much
for having me.
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You have contributed
many stories
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to the NoSleep subreddits,
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and you've been doing that
for a number of years now.
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I'm curious
how you discovered NoSleep,
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and what drew you
to the stories,
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reading them
and then writing them.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So, I've always been a big fan
of horror my entire life,
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particularly, you know,
consuming horror literature,
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short stories. I've got
a million paperback anthologies
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from Amazon, from back
when that first started being,
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you know,
a big thing with books.
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But, I found Reddit NoSleep
through my internet search,
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diving through
different creepypastas
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throughout the years.
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And as soon as I found NoSleep,
I was hooked.
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Obviously, the entire vibe
around it
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is built around reader buy-in,
and immersion of the stories,
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and it's just such a
unique horror community online.
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And what was it about
the community that drew you
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to wanting to write
and post stories there?
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Was there something about
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the community
that really felt...
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made you feel comfortable
to do so?
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Absolutely.
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Part of it, is just it being
such a supportive community,
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everyone from the moderators
of the subreddit
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to the fantastic readers,
to all the other writers there.
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It is one of those places
where it feels like
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a rising tide lifts all ships.
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Everyone wants
to see you succeed,
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everyone wants
to read your story,
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everyone wants to talk about
what you're writing,
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and what they're writing.
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It's just
an amazing place to be,
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and such a wonderful, like,
jolt of energy as a writer,
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is getting to interact
with these folks,
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particularly the readers
who will, maybe,
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find stuff in your story that
you didn't even think about,
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then you get
to claim credit for it, like,
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"Yeah, I put that there
on purpose, the entire time."
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I'm very curious to know,
what inspired this story?
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How did that form in your mind?
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I think a lot of the stories
that I posted on NoSleep,
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and just write overall
are fairytales at their heart.
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That was one of the things
that I loved as a kid.
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You know, those were two
of my favorite genres,
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is horror, and then actually,
really just classic fairytales
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and mythology.
Loved all of that.
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So blurring them
and blending them together
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is something that I enjoy
and try to do
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as much as possible.
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So I started with the idea of,
you know, this invisible noise
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that is just terrible and awful,
and it fits into
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that fairy tale mold
of a villain
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that's more of, almost,
a concept than a creature.
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And then I paired that
with all these memories
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and nostalgia I had about
my neighborhood growing up.
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'Cause we lived in
a very close neighborhood.
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I had friends over
for sleepovers all the time,
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and we used to take turns
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just scaring
the absolute heck out
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of each other
with whatever dares
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we could come up with.
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Getting someone
to look out the window
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while one of our other friends
was out there making noise.
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And so all those things,
kind of percolated in my mind,
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and I thought about, "Well,
what if one of those sleepovers
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that we had where we're trying
to scare each other,
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there actually
was something out there?"
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And from there
it just kind of jumped out,
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and I remember posting it,
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and it was only my fourth
or fifth story
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I'd put on NoSleep.
And I had one do really well,
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and then
a bunch completely flop,
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and then I looked at this one
after I got off work,
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and it had gone through the roof
in terms of notifications,
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and I think that's the point
where I really got hooked
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and just wanted to post
on NoSleep all the time.
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You mentioned
how popular the story was
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when you first posted it,
and it's gone on
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to be adapted
in many different audio formats,
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and now, of course,
coming to the screen.
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What do you think
it is about this story
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that people find so compelling?
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So, there's a few things
that I hope that it is
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and there's a few things
that I also think
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probably play a role.
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And for the things I hope
that it is,
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I think that, maybe,
that fairy tale vibe.
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that I was going for,
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people kind of connect
with that.
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I think a lot of us just,
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you know, feel fairy tales
at a fundamental level,
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'cause it's such a stark,
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but beautiful way
to tell stories,
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where everything
is larger than life,
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and there's
this mixture of reality,
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but the surreal coming together.
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I also think, maybe,
there's a nostalgia factor.
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A lot of us,
especially '90s kids,
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you know, I'm 35 now,
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so I grew up very prominently
in the '90s.
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Sleepovers
and playing Nintendo 64,
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and telling ghost stories,
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and all these things
that we had to do
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before we had the internet
for fun, just clicks.
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But there's still,
always the idea of
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dread hiding behind nostalgia,
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is what if those monsters
that were so scary
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when we were kids
were actually out there?
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Maybe we got lucky,
and we dodged them,
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and we're adults now,
but looking back,
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you know,
you kind of question it.
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And then NoSleep helps
with that,
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because of the immersion,
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and the everything being
in character.
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You know, it really becomes easy
to play along with this,
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because it's such
a shared life experience
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for so many folks.
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And then, that's all the stuff
I hope is why it's popular,
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and some of the reasons I think
that it might be popular too,
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is that,
on NoSleep titles are very big,
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and I think that I just hit
a really good title.
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I like to think
the story is good too.
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I'm very proud of it,
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but something about the title,
that particular day,
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that particular hour, you know,
maybe there were some trends
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I didn't even know about
with invisible monsters, maybe,
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you know, there's the start
of noise-based horror
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coming on after that,
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but I think
a lot of stars aligned,
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and it was a catchy title,
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and once it started
getting momentum on NoSleep,
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it just shot to the top.
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And once it was towards
the top of NoSleep,
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it continued to get momentum
from YouTubers,
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and podcasts, and...
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it just grows.
So, NoSleep is great.
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Any time
a story doesn't do well, though,
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there, I would not tell a writer
to worry about it.
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There is just so much
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other randomness
involved in it.
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The title, the time you post,
who's online.
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It's an interesting
and wonderful place,
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but definitely more
of a training ground,
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rather than a,
"I need to be concerned,
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'cause my stories
aren't getting read."
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What draws you to symbols
like the time?
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3:03 in the morning.
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So, the 3:03 is fun.
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That one is just based
on a really common trope
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about kind of evil numbers,
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and I think it's even
the mocking of the Holy Trinity.
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It comes up in The Conjuring.
So, that's something
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that's been in horror
for a while.
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And it was just something
that also flowed naturally
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into the story. Like, well,
if there's this creepy thing
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that's happening at night,
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what's the creepiest possible
time at night it could happen?
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Like, midnight?
Nah, that's not quite there.
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3:00 a.m. is almost it.
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So, 3:03
just kinda clicked with me.
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One of the things
that I love personally
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about the story
is the fact that you have
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this menacing creature,
if you will,
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That is only heard,
you never see it.
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And I think back
to famous movies like Jaws,
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where the mechanical shark
always broke down,
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and so people say
the movie was more effective
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because you didn't
see the shark that much,
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and you're letting
the audience imagine
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what's really out there.
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And so, was that your intention?
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To keep this creature
just on the fringes?
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A heard, never-seen,
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and kind of leaving
it up to the audience
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to imagine who this
whistling person or thing is?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And that's wonderful
that you mentioned Jaws.
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That was actually
the inspiration,
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along with
the first Alien movie, which,
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both of them...
and as a horror movie buff,
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I knew this years ago,
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and it always kind of stuck
with me...
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both of those productions
encountered budget issues
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with their monsters
that resulted in
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a lot of the footage
not being used,
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or them being filmed
in very dark locations,
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and you barely seeing them,
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because if you got too good
of a look at them...
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you know, like you said, Jaws,
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the shark looked pretty silly
up close in bright daylight,
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same thing with the Alien suit,
or Predator.
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But if you just show
a hint of it,
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and let
the audience's imagination
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fill in the blanks, as long
as you're showing them enough
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to get them started,
usually they will go somewhere
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much scarier than you could
ever possibly communicate.
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There's a fantastic quote,
I think it's from Spielberg,
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who said,
"Never show them the zippers."
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And he was referring to, with,
like, classic movie monsters,
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Swamp Thing,
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Monster from the Black Lagoon,
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they would have
these terrible rubber suits,
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and they would be filmed
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pretty starkly
in the '50s and '60s,
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and you could literally see
the zippers sometimes.
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And it makes the monster
more comedic than anything else,
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which is why
so many of those are now
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unintentional amazing movies
to watch just for the silliness.
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But, yeah, so much of it
is just the trope built around,
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"Nothing is scarier."
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You need to find
the exact amount
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to give an audience
to get them started
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and filling in the rest,
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and then they will do
the work for you,
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and they will go way beyond.
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Well, Travis,
thank you for joining us,
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and for sharing
your experiences,
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your writing approach,
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and of course,
your great story with us.
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And all the best
with future endeavors.
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David, thank you so much
for having me.
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I really appreciate it.
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Thanks for joining us
for this exclusive interview
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with our NoSleep writers.
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We look forward
to you joining us next time.
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