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I, Katie, take thee, Norman,
to be my wedded husband,
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to have and to hold,
from this day forward,
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in sickness and in health,
for better, for worse,
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to love and to cherish,
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till death do us part.
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You may kiss the bride.
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We did it!
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Oh, my...
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Oh, my goodness, Norman!
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This house is beautiful!
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It's our house now.
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Your parents are too generous.
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I cannot believe
that they gave us
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your grandparents' house.
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This is everything
I could have ever asked for.
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Hasn't changed a bit, honestly.
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Come on!
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You like it?
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I can just picture it now.
We'll put...
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we'll put the crib here, and...
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and the rocking chair
right by the window.
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We can do whatever you choose.
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Whoops, sorry.
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Great. This should come off.
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I've been waiting for this day.
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I stayed pure for you.
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- Go see Anna for some food.
- Here, have some of these.
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Thank you so much.
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Just fill it up
with some diapers, some snacks.
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How many toys do we have?
We have toys...
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Can you...
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It can seem hard,
doing on your own,
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but I think we focus
on the negative so much
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that we miss the miracle
that's right in front of us.
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You've been blessed
with this life-changing gift.
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I was in your very shoes
a few short years ago,
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and I know
it can feel overwhelming
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at times, but I can't imagine
a life without my Kyle now.
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And you're not as alone
as you think.
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- Mm-hmm.
- We are your community.
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We are here to support
your best interests.
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Excuse me. Okay.
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Norman?
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- Norman?
-Yeah?
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- Norman, come, come look.
- What?
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I'm gonna be a father?
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Yeah!
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Oh!
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Our prayers have been answered.
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Do you want a boy or a girl?
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I... I don't care,
as long as they're healthy!
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I love you so much.
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If it's a girl, I...
I like the name Violet.
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That's a pretty name.
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Or Veronica?
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I don't know, I'm drawn
to the letter V...
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...for some reason.
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What about if it's a boy?
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I like the name David.
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Very strong.
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Tough.
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Oh!
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- Ow.
-Katie? You okay?
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- Ow!
-Katie? You okay?
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Baby? Talk to me.
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What's goin' on, honey?
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Katie?
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- Ow!
-Katie, you okay?
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Katie...
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What happened?
What happened? What happened?
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- Ow!
- What's happening?
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What's happening?
What's happening?
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Katie, Katie! No, no, no,
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no, no, it's okay, it's okay!
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Please wait a minute.
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What's going on?
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The doctor
will be with you shortly.
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I'm afraid
I have some bad news.
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The fetus has anencephaly,
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which is
a severe congenital condition
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where a large part
of the skull is absent,
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along with a part of the brain.
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I'm very sorry,
but it is a fatal condition.
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If it is born,
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it will die within
a few hours or days
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or, at the most, weeks.
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We should probably begin
discussions around termination.
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What did you say?
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Our front desk handles
the scheduling.
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I think it's likely best
we get something
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on the calendar soon.
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You want to abort our baby?
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Sir, the fetus is not viable.
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You cannot force me
to commit a sin!
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It is in the best interest
of your wife.
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If she carries
that child to term,
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she could die.
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Her health
is very much at risk here.
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I understand
the emotions around this,
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but there is
a very real danger here
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that I would beg you
to consider.
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You want
to condone murder, huh?
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I know
that this is very difficult,
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and a lot to take in,
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so I will leave you both
for now.
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If you need anything,
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Nurse Cora here
will take care of you.
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Is it a boy or a girl?
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I need to know,
is it a son or a daughter?
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I have a right to know
this information!
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How are you doing, hon?
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Do you believe in God?
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I do.
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What would God do
in a moment like this?
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My God is a forgiving one.
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He values all lives,
not just the new ones.
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I'd like to book
that appointment.
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Oh, my God!
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Oh.
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Norman?
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What are you doing?
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Oh, I'm sorry.
Did I wake you up?
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I just couldn't wait.
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I'll try to be
a bit more quiet.
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Uh, are you sure that...
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we should be...
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We have a lot of work to do
to prepare for our son.
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Son?
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The Lord gave us a son.
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A son!
He's definitely my boy.
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He's got
those strong cheekbones.
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Norman...
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Okay, okay, I admit,
I prayed for a son,
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but we can pray
for a daughter next.
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But... but they said
that it...
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...that it's not gonna...
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God will take care of us
and our baby.
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Don't you have faith?
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Too bad I sold
all my maternity clothes.
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I would have let you have them.
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Well, Norman's parents
are so supportive.
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They're taking care
of everything.
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Oh, my goodness, Katie,
you have to see this one!
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Anna, can I ask you something?
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Of course, anything.
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Do you think...
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there are any exceptions
to the Church's teachings?
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You're the one that taught me
that even if you can't see it,
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the Lord has a plan for you.
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God's a provider, and...
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Kyle is the best gift
I've ever received.
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What are you
actually asking about?
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Nothing.
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N... nothing.
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Lord of the Nations,
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you display your power
in all the world.
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You made the lame walk,
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you healed the sick,
and you raised the dead.
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You... you conquered death
in your own resurrection.
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Lord, bless me
and keep me.
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Make your faith shine upon me.
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Turn your face towards me
and give me peace.
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Through Jesus Christ,
our Lord. Amen.
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Katie?
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Is everything all right?
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Hey, why don't you just...
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come join me over here
for a minute?
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How do we know
that the things...
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that we do are just?
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It's...
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not so easy to see
the right path.
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And what does
your heart tell you?
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Just... just know
that whatever you choose
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has implications
beyond just yourself.
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Some sins cannot be forgiven.
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And God's justice is perfect.
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He has all the answers.
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You just need to know
which questions to ask.
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Shame on you!
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Shame on you! Shame on you!
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Shame on you!
Shame on you! Shame on you!
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Shame on you! Shame on you!
Shame on you! Shame on you!
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Murderer!
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Shame on you!
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Shame on you!
Shame on you! Shame on you!
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Murderer!
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Shame on you! Shame on you!
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Pro-choice, that's a lie!
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Babies never choose to die!
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Pro-choice, that's a lie!
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Babies never choose to die!
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Don't forget
to take your prenatals!
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See you tonight, my love.
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And forgive us our trespasses,
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as we forgive those
who trespass against us,
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and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil,
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for thine is the kingdom,
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the power, and the glory,
forever and ever. Amen.
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Norman, Norman, Norman...
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Norman, I... I don't want it.
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Don't want what?
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I don't want this.
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Its brain is leaking.
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And it doesn't have a skull.
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- Please?
- Katie...
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I thought you loved me.
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Of course I love you, but I...
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I'm...
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...I'm really, really scared.
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What would your family
think of you?
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-But...
- Your friends? Huh?
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But, what about me?
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It is a mortal sin.
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A sin that will damn you
to the pits of hell.
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And what about me, huh?
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I'm really, really scared.
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So you wanna kill our baby?
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-What?
- Is that what you're saying?
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I don't know.
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You wanna kill our baby?
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I... I don't know.
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You wanna hurt our beautiful,
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- little baby boy, huh?
- I can't, I can't!
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You wanna kill our baby?!
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I'm sorry, Norman.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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- I'm sorry.
- It's okay.
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- It's okay. It's okay.
- I am sorry.
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I forgive you,
I forgive you, I forgive you.
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It's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
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It's okay, I forgive you.
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- Here comes the cake!
- Yay!
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
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Stop!
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It's gonna die.
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Are you okay?
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Get her some water!
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Um, call Norman!
Somebody get Norman!
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She needs help!
Somebody call 911.
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I don't know what to do!
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David couldn't wait,
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so he's just coming
a bit early, okay?
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I want it out!
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I'm right here for you, baby.
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- I'm right here.
-No, don't touch me!
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Breathe. Push. You can do it.
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Get it out of me!
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Just breathe and push.
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You're doin' great.
You're doin' great.
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Push! And breathe.
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Push.
You can do it, okay?
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Son's almost here.
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Oh, I can't believe
you made me do this!
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He's almost here.
He's almost here.
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Keep pushing!
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That's it, baby.
Fight, fight, fight.
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Breathe right through it...
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Shame on you, shame on you!
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Breathe and push!
I'm right here!
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I, Katie, take thee, Norman...
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Even if you can't see it,
the Lord has a plan for you.
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God's justice is perfect.
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That will damn you
to the pits of hell.
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If she carries
that child to term,
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she could die.
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You wanna kill our baby?
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Shame on you! Shame on you!
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Welcome back
from The Void.
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Thanks for watching.
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I'm David Cummings,
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the host and creator
of The NoSleep Podcast.
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Today, we're joined
by author Grayson Grume,
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writer of the NoSleep story,
Pro-Life,
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which we adapted into
the episode titled "Carry."
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Welcome, Grayson.
Thanks for joining us today.
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Hello, David!
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What is it about
the NoSleep community
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that appealed to you
in terms of the interaction
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that you have there?
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We all know
the internet can be--
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There's a lot of people
with negative criticism
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and NoSleep seems to be a place
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where there's some positivity
to encourage writing.
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Is that something that you found
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when you were
submitting stories?
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Um, absolutely.
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Uh, the audience buy-in is,
in my opinion,
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what makes NoSleep
truly special.
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Uh, it's, it's,
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treating each story
as if it were true,
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as this sort of beautiful,
new dimension.
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You know it is fiction,
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but treating it as if it wasn't
is this exercise in immersion.
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Um, and it adds
this emergent element
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to the stories where
the comments of the audience
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are then layered and added in
to the original work.
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It's a very unique medium
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for sharing
these types of stories.
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Mm. Now, your story
that we have adapted
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is called Pro-Life.
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It's a fascinating story,
a very creepy story,
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and I'm very interested to know
what inspired that.
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How did that form in your mind?
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This will leave you
scratching your head, David,
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but Pro-Life
is not about pregnancy.
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Uh, pregnancy is the metaphor,
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this foundational
and transitional,
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irrevocable decision
that the narrator allowed
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to be made for her.
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When I wrote the story,
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I was in the midst
of this painful,
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drawn-out breakup of
my first serious relationship,
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just this never-ending,
slow-motion shot
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of everything falling apart
around us and neither of us
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wanting to put it
out of its misery.
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I realized I had
compromised myself,
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who I was as a person, um,
because I loved them,
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but in giving up these
fundamental parts of myself,
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I was breeding this
frightening resentment.
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I had made all these
life-changing decisions
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about moving and quitting jobs,
and so forth,
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and it made it unhappy,
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and my unhappiness
made them unhappy.
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Uh, pregnancy was a much more
succinct example
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of the same concept.
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Now, you wrote
and posted this story
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about ten years ago,
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and, at the time,
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again, taking it
on a literal level,
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you're talking about the idea
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of a woman's body autonomy,
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the control a woman has
over her own body.
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Uh, when you were writing it,
did you think in those terms,
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knowing that there was a--
almost a political bent to it?
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In truth, when I wrote this
a decade ago,
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I wasn't thinking about
socio-political themes at all.
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I very naively expected to say,
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"This is just a metaphor
for my decaying relationship,"
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and everyone would nod
and get it.
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I realized my mistake
almost instantly.
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The story gained some traction
and was exposed to an audience
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who didn't understand
the NoSleep context.
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My inbox was flooded with women
sharing their experiences
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with miscarriage, with abortion,
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with their regrets
in both directions,
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thanking me for bravely
sharing my story.
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I realized, I had trespassed
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and strongly debated
deleting the story.
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But, I'm a gay man
with a religious upbringing.
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Believe me when I say,
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I sympathize
with compromising yourself
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to satisfy the moral norms
of your peers and family.
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This story was affirmation
and validation to women
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dealing with these
tremendously complex feelings,
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so I left it up,
and here we are today.
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By way of apology,
it is my sincere hope
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that Pro-Life continues
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to spark
these internal dialogues.
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Grayson, you mentioned,
as you wrote this story,
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there was
a really deep personal aspect
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of your own life in there,
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that you felt that you were
being forced to be something
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that wasn't true
to who you were.
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And as we adapted your story,
that sort of spirit
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was very much a part of Katie,
the main character.
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And so, I'm curious,
what is it about that sense,
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that approach, that...
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that you think will resonate
with the audience?
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Assuming that they're--
if they could...
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turn away and not focus so much
on the hot-button issue
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of things like abortion,
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but seeing it as more
of a personal choice,
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a person's lifestyle,
and how they live,
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how do you think
that's gonna impact
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the audience?
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Um, I hope that the shocking
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and upsetting portions
of the story... I...
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don't take away from
that underlying introspection
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of what it means
to pledge yourself to someone,
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to be in love,
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the transactional nature
of relationships,
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that by being with someone,
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there are doors
that are closing,
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even if both of you
have each other's
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best interest in mind.
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There's a very real sense
of sacrifice there
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that the main character
struggles with,
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um, for right or for wrong.
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And I hope that the audience
is able to see that,
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that this isn't
a story about abortion,
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this isn't a story
about waggling your finger
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at the choices people make,
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but about determining
where the edges
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of what you are willing
to give to others are,
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and how to navigate
those boundaries
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without losing who you are.
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Grayson, thank you
for joining us today,
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for sharing your experience
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and your thoughtful writing
with us,
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and all the best with
all your future endeavors.
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Thank you, David.
It's been a pleasure.
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Thanks for watching
Tales from the Void.
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We look forward to you
joining us next time.
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