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Morning.
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Please give it to me.
Please.
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Hey, man.
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Gimme or else...
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I'll fuckin' kill you.
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All right, just chill.
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Just know I'll be back,
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and I won't be so nice
next time.
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I see you're makin' friends.
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Hmph!
I'm drownin' in 'em.
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Hmm.
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In fact, a few of 'em
may wanna drown me.
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Oh-ho!
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You learnin'?
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I'd better be--
given the price tag.
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Hey, it'll be worth it.
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You know if I'd go back in time,
I'd be doin' the same thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Goodnight, old man!
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- Oh, fuck that "old man" shit!
- Be safe!
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You know me.
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I'll be good!
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Hmph!
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Yo, Anton!
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Hey. I was just
about to call you, man.
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You seein' this shit?
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Yeah.
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What is it?
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I dunno.
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But it's been here all night.
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Creepy.
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It doesn't reflect the light!
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Hey, hey, hey.
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I think you oughta
head in for now.
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Hey, hey, hey! Go on. Go on!
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I'll let you know
if it does anything interesting.
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Promise.
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Stand back.
Call the police.
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Do you think
it's a camera or something?
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Like it's watching us?
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No, this is some
extraterrestrial shit.
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Yeah, this thing's probably
runnin' experiments
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you don't even wanna know about.
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Anything happen last night?
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Is there a reason we're
all crowded around this thing?
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You know what this is, Tim?
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Not really.
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Then why the hell you
standing so damn close to it?
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Honey, you don't get near
this thing, you hear?
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Why don't you head for the car?
It's time for school.
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Y'all just can't wait to be
late for work today, huh?
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There ain't nothin' to see here.
Let's go, let's go!
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Have a nice day.
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Fuck me...
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You really think
it's dangerous?
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I mean, it could be anything.
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Yeah.
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It could be anything.
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And that includes
a lotta options.
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Not all of 'em great.
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Hey, what's going on down there?
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[in distance] Come on!
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Shut the fuck up!
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Bill, is that you?
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[in distance] Be quiet!
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Are you okay?
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Fuck!
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Hey, Ethan, right?
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Mind if I get a picture?
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No can do.
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Boss said no nonsense and...
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that looks like some nonsense.
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Who's the boss?
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- Bill.
- Right.
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Of course.
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But this isn't nonsense...
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it's science.
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Trying to learn about it,
you know?
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So, can we make an exception?
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Experiments have
consequences, man.
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Anton, who the fuck
deputized this guy?
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Hey, hey.
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Big man,
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now, we ain't
lookin' for trouble.
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Right?
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Alright.
Look, man.
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Everyone's got their own comfort
level with this shit, right?
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Well, this?
This is my comfort level.
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So if you don't want the guards
walkin' around with guns, fine.
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You're free to guard
this thing yourself.
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What do you think
is inside, man?
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I hear things... around.
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From who? I mean,
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this is crazy.
- Hey...
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Listen.
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I don't know for a fact that
this thing is dangerous, okay?
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But you don't know for a fact
that it ain't dangerous,
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and you're standing
real fuckin' close to it
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with no goddamn protection.
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So...
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who's the crazy one?
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Fine.
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Whatever.
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But if you think
it's that scary,
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why don't you call
the damn police or somethin'?
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[phone] 9-1-1?
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Yeah, hi, my name is Bi--
uh, Kevin.
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Uh, I live down
at the Greenwood Complex,
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corner of 8th and Marley.
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And what's the nature
of your emergency?
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There-- there's, uh,
somethin' unnatural
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here in the neighborhood.
It's weird.
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I've never seen
anything like it.
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An unnatural
object, sir?
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Yeah, yeah.
It's hard to explain.
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It's, um, black and--
and murky and shit
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and shaped like
a perfect square.
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Uh, it's just kinda...
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floating there, maybe
a few inches off the ground.
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Uh, I'm sorry, sir,
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are you saying that
there is a floating black box
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that appeared
in your neighborhood?
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Am I correct?
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Uh, look,
I know it sounds crazy,
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but I'm watchin' it
last night and it, like,
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activates out of nowhere.
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It makes this crazy fuckin'
sound and goes blank
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and just... shit, I'm--
I'm not explaining it right.
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But just
when you send a unit down,
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they will get it, okay?
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So, uh, I'm up all night,
uh, thinkin' about it.
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I-I can't sleep and...
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I think this
is a government thing.
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Like, I was reading about
military tests and we have 100%
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tested shit on civilians before.
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I'm sorry, sir.
Are you okay?
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Just let me finish!
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Let me finish!
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Of course, sir.
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Please continue.
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I think this is a weapon,
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and I'm asking you for help
because we're scared.
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There's good people here, families.
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I have a daughter.
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Last night, I think I saw
that fuckin' thing activate.
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Where are you
located again, sir?
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Greenwood Complex.
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8th and Marley. Please!
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Right.
I've filed a report here.
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Floating black box
at Greenwood Complex.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah.
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- Yeah, that's right.
- Right.
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Uh, we'll have someone out there
eventually to check out the box.
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Maybe check in on your as well.
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Just please hurry.
We don't have time to fuck
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around with this thing, okay?
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It is a very large city, sir.
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Have a nice day.
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Gah!
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What's up, little man?
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How did you know
it was me?
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My business,
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gotta have eyes
in the back of your head.
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That's why they put
my ass on night watch.
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You're not scared?
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Lots of people would love
to see me dead.
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They scare me a bit.
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This?
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I'm kinda beginning
to enjoy the view.
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Yeah, about that...
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Check out this view.
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Surveillance.
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Bill's gonna love this.
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I don't know
why it isn't showing up,
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but I've got some theories.
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I need to test 'em.
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Be careful about them tests.
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I don't need
anyone's permission.
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Boy, shut up and listen
for once in your damn life!
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People 'round here...
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they get a little crazy.
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You wanna run experiments,
you run them at night--
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when I'm out here with you!
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Pullin' stunts during the day,
these folks gonna get scared.
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They don't need that.
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And what test
is so damn important?
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I think this is something
that we can just perceive.
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So it ain't real?
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Kind of.
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I need to see
if something from our world,
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something tangible,
can engage with it.
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So what test gonna prove that?
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Oh, shit.
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Kid, kid,
what'd we talk about?
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Damn!
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Please move.
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Son, let's just get you inside.
This ain't necessary.
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Why?
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Last time I checked,
you don't own Greenwood.
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I'm asking you nicely.
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What are you
gonna do, shoot me?
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Whoa, whoa.
No, no one's gettin' shot.
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00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:20,045
These guns ain't for you,
they're for the government.
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The what?
What does this have to do
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with the government?
- The weapons test, man.
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It's imminent.
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We're just keepin' people safe.
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Must be why
everyone feels so secure!
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This is fucking stupid.
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What did you do?
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- Well, I--
- What the fuck did you do?!
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Thank you
for your attention.
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That's enough.
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You need to go inside,
lock your door,
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and pray nothin' else happens.
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I don't wanna see you
out here again.
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Is that clear?
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Huh?
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Mm-hm.
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Good.
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00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:40,192
Now, you have yourself
a night, son.
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Let's go.
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It wasn't my fault, man!
I swear!
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Shit, Anton?
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Anton!
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Anton, I'm here.
See, I'm here, I'm here.
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00:25:06,705 --> 00:25:08,173
Anton, I'm here!
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00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:24,890
No!
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00:25:29,728 --> 00:25:30,762
The fuck happened?
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00:25:33,732 --> 00:25:34,866
Shit!
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00:25:35,233 --> 00:25:37,569
Bill! Ethan!
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He went up there!
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There's nowhere to hide, Harris!
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Break it the fuck down!
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00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:24,749
Harris?
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We just wanna talk.
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We need to know
what you saw.
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We need to know
what that weapon can do.
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[muffled] Augh!
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You mother--
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You couldn't have just
left it alone, could you?
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You wanna study it
so badly, huh?
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Tell us what you find.
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00:29:25,797 --> 00:29:28,900
Where am I?! Hello?!
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Help!
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00:29:51,422 --> 00:29:52,624
Hello?
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00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:55,927
Anybody?
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00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:57,996
Please...
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Help me...
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00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,989
Bill! It's me, Harris!
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Help!
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He'll come out.
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00:31:41,766 --> 00:31:42,901
He'll come out!
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00:31:50,108 --> 00:31:52,143
Y'all don't all have
to be out here, you know?
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You don't like it, go inside.
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00:31:58,983 --> 00:32:00,051
Go!
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00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:41,953
Daddy, when's dinner?
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Yeah.
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Somebody... help me!
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Welcome back
from the void.
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Thanks for watching.
I'm David Cummings,
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the host and creator
of the NoSleep Podcast.
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Today, we're joined
by author Matt Dymerski,
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writer of the NoSleep story
"The Black Square,"
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which we adapted
into the episode titled
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"Into the Unknown."
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Welcome, Matt.
Thanks for being with us today.
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Yeah, great to be here.
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Now, Matt, you are
a legendary NoSleep author.
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You've been around
since the very early days,
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and I think
we all want to know what
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initially drew you to NoSleep.
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How did you find it
and how did you decide,
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"I want to write
and post on this Subreddit"?
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Oh, that's
a very great question
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because it delves back
to the history
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that probably most people
don't even know these days,
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all the fans of NoSleep.
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So before NoSleep,
there was creepypastas,
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and they weren't just a thing,
they were an actual website,
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Creepypasta.com.
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And somehow I found
my way onto these forums,
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where just for the forum
community people were posting
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these short-form stories
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that came to be known
as creepypastas later,
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and got involved in that,
and just posting.
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Like, no one told us
we couldn't,
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and we just started doin' it.
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And then one day,
Creepypasta.com shut down
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and scattered to the wind
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and formed all sorts
of different places,
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and I didn't even know NoSleep
existed until someone was like,
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"Hey, man,
we're all posting on NoSleep.
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"Let's go check it out."
And I did, and I'm like,
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"This is the next evolution
of Creepypasta.com."
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I'm like, "I gotta get on here.
I gotta be on here.
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"These are my people,"
you know?
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And you've written
a lot of great stories,
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and the one that we're
here today to talk about
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is "The Black Square,"
and it's an incredible blend.
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It's sort of sci-fi,
it's horror,
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and I'm really curious how
that formulated in your mind.
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Where did that come from?
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Used... It used to be,
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in all horror stories
and movies and stuff,
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you know, the '70s, '80s,
all that stuff which, you know,
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I feel like is ancient history,
but I'm sure
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some people
were alive back then,
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uh, you'd call the cops...
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You'd call the cops,
and that's it.
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Like, you survive.
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The cops show up,
they're the good guys,
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they blast the bad guy.
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But now,
the authorities are, at best,
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useless and almost
now the enemy.
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So you think, "Oh, how
do we solve this monster?
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"How do we beat this villain?"
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In these, especially
in modern movies,
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it's not about calling
the cops anymore.
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It's not about getting back
to the rest of society.
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Like if you could just
get out of this basement,
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you might live,
but no, actually,
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no one's gonna help you.
And in fact,
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when the authorities
you used to rely on to save you
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are now your enemies,
you are more than alone.
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You're in a hostile world that
is not gonna make things better.
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They're gonna make it worse.
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And that's the core of the
feeling of "The Black Square,"
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is you've got this unknown
problem in your neighborhood.
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It's a very local,
communal problem,
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and so no one else cares.
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And if you try to get
other people involved,
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they're not-- they actively
don't want to help,
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and if you force them
to see your situation,
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they might actually
dislike you for it.
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Which is, I feel like, a very
relevant feeling these days.
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And so, you've created
this neighborhood,
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this community, that is very,
very real, very grounded.
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And yet within that, you throw
this mysterious, unknown,
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obviously a black square.
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And so, I'm curious,
what challenges you faced
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to try to create a story
where everything is,
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really, perfectly normal, except
for this massive abnormality
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that they have to deal with.
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Number one challenge for this
is threading the line,
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making sure the reader
doesn't feel
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as if this is about
any one thing, or political.
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Like, this isn't about politics.
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This isn't about
any one specific thing.
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I was worried,
"Okay, number one thing,
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"people are gonna think
this is climate change."
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And yes, it's partly that,
but I think the biggest theme
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is that we are facing monsters
in our real lives
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that are of cosmic scale.
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They are bigger
than any one person.
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There's literally nothing an
individual person can do
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against this or even
understand its full scope,
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and I want
the reader to understand
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this is bigger than
any one specific thing,
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because I don't
want them to tune out.
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I don't want them
to just be like,
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"Oh, I know what this is about,"
and, you know, dismiss it.
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And in a story like this,
you have this menacing object,
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and yet I feel that the story
draws so much horror on
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the interaction between
the people, the neighbors.
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Was that sort of an intentional
theme you went with?
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Oh, absolutely,
'cause at the end of the day,
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these monsters don't exist,
but other people do.
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And we feel this feeling every
single day when we're out there,
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and we're thinking,
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"Oh, it's obvious
what we should do.
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"Like, we should, I don't know,
stop emitting carbon.
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"Why don't we just do that?"
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And when then
you actually have to go
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and try to convince
other people to,
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for example,
stop emitting carbon,
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you run into
all these surprise problems
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and different perspectives.
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You know, like, "How could
you possibly think that?"
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And they think
the same about you
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because everyone is just trying
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to make their own way
in a colossal system
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that has become
its own cosmic entity
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that we can't
do anything to stop.
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And it's interesting,
if you're old like me,
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you'll remember
"The Twilight Zone,"
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and back in the old
black and white days,
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and there's
a great episode called
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"The Monsters Are Due
on Maple Street,"
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and there's very similar themes
that are going on there.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I grew up on
"The Twilight Zone."
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I absolutely loved it.
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I have almost all
the episodes memorized.
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And every couple years,
I'll see one more episode
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I haven't seen
before and be like,
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"How did I miss this?
I've seen all the marathons."
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And it's absolutely inspired
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by "The Monsters Are Due
on Maple Street"
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because in "The Black Square,"
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the black square doesn't
even really do anything.
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It's all people
tearing each other apart
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because of the fear
of the unknown.
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Like, "The Monsters Are Due
on Maple Street"
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had a great plot,
a great thesis,
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that fear in the unknown
can tear us apart,
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and the aliens kind of,
I think, judge us for it, where,
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"Oh, all we had to do was set
them against each other and--"
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But I don't think
that's the case.
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I think we will overcome that.
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It's not that we're greedy
or selfish or paranoid,
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it's that we just have to come
to understand each other,
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and that will help us
get back to, like,
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a real sense of community
in society.
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Matt, great to talk to you.
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Thank you for years
of great stories and for sharing
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"The Black Square" with us,
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and thanks for being
with us tonight.
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Yeah, always great
working with you.
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Thanks for joining us
for this exclusive interview
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with our NoSleep writers.
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We look forward to you
joining us next time.
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