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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,044 --> 00:00:03,554 WILLIAM SHATNER: Ancient practices 2 00:00:03,629 --> 00:00:05,459 used to ward off evil spirits. 3 00:00:05,547 --> 00:00:09,627 A community celebration, in which the guests of honor 4 00:00:09,718 --> 00:00:11,548 are all dead. 5 00:00:11,637 --> 00:00:14,137 And an oppressive drought that was ended 6 00:00:14,223 --> 00:00:16,023 by the power of prayer. 7 00:00:17,893 --> 00:00:19,693 Throughout human history, 8 00:00:19,770 --> 00:00:23,230 diverse cultures have all used sacred rituals 9 00:00:23,357 --> 00:00:25,857 to express profound spiritual beliefs. 10 00:00:25,943 --> 00:00:28,193 And while some ceremonial practices 11 00:00:28,278 --> 00:00:30,568 may appear strange at times, 12 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:32,527 there are many rituals that are thought 13 00:00:32,616 --> 00:00:35,236 to unlock incredible powers. 14 00:00:35,327 --> 00:00:40,037 Is it possible that performing certain acts can, in fact, 15 00:00:40,123 --> 00:00:44,593 connect us to a higher plane of existence? 16 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:47,420 Well, that is what we will try and find out. 17 00:00:47,506 --> 00:00:49,876 ♪ 18 00:01:04,231 --> 00:01:06,111 SHATNER: It is home to one of the world’s 19 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:10,403 largest religious structures, the Grand Mosque. 20 00:01:10,487 --> 00:01:13,237 In the center courtyard of this immense edifice 21 00:01:13,323 --> 00:01:16,243 stands a 43-foot-tall granite cube 22 00:01:16,326 --> 00:01:20,406 known as the Kaaba, the House of God. 23 00:01:20,497 --> 00:01:22,417 Five times a day, every day, 24 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:25,539 almost two billion Muslims across the world 25 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:29,797 turn and pray towards this striking black monument, 26 00:01:29,923 --> 00:01:34,803 the holiest and most sacred site in all of Islam. 27 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:36,298 Why? 28 00:01:36,388 --> 00:01:39,098 Because embedded in the eastern corner 29 00:01:39,182 --> 00:01:42,102 of the shrine is perhaps the most sacred stone 30 00:01:42,185 --> 00:01:44,225 in all the world, 31 00:01:44,313 --> 00:01:47,653 the Black Stone of Mecca. 32 00:01:50,193 --> 00:01:52,823 For the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims, 33 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:54,776 this stone is crucial. 34 00:01:54,865 --> 00:01:58,085 When Muslims face in the direction of Mecca, 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,290 they face in the direction of that stone. 36 00:02:01,371 --> 00:02:06,581 ANDREW COLLINS: This object, as simple as it might be, 37 00:02:06,668 --> 00:02:11,798 is of incredible significance to the Muslim faith, 38 00:02:11,882 --> 00:02:16,852 because it is said to have fallen from heaven 39 00:02:16,928 --> 00:02:20,968 at the commands of Allah 40 00:02:21,058 --> 00:02:24,888 at the time of Adam and Eve. 41 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:28,980 And it was said to have marked the position 42 00:02:29,066 --> 00:02:30,686 of the first temple, 43 00:02:30,776 --> 00:02:35,406 which obviously, becomes Mecca itself. 44 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:37,993 HUSSAIN: Then the story is that stone 45 00:02:38,075 --> 00:02:39,625 gets lost during the flood, 46 00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:41,331 because Muslims have the same flood story 47 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:43,331 that Jews do from the Hebrew Bible. 48 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:47,173 Then that stone for Muslims is rediscovered by Abraham. 49 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:50,250 So, Abraham, with his son Ishmael, 50 00:02:50,379 --> 00:02:54,219 build in Mecca the first place of prayer. 51 00:02:54,299 --> 00:02:56,759 That’s why Mecca is important to Muslims, 52 00:02:56,885 --> 00:02:59,385 is this is the first place of prayer to the one God. 53 00:02:59,471 --> 00:03:04,231 Over time, it gets worn away, the building gets rebuilt. 54 00:03:04,351 --> 00:03:06,641 In 605, the prophet Muhammad himself 55 00:03:06,728 --> 00:03:10,058 is the one that places that stone in its place. 56 00:03:10,148 --> 00:03:12,898 That’s part of what gives it power. 57 00:03:14,236 --> 00:03:17,906 SHATNER: Each year, millions of Muslims make a pilgrimage 58 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:21,331 or hajj, to the Kaaba. 59 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:24,580 Once there, visitors take part in a series of rituals 60 00:03:24,663 --> 00:03:26,543 called Tawaf, 61 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:29,463 which includes circling the Kaaba seven times 62 00:03:29,584 --> 00:03:33,004 in the belief that it will bring about true humility 63 00:03:33,088 --> 00:03:35,588 by linking them with God. 64 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:38,720 The Black Stone 65 00:03:38,802 --> 00:03:42,262 is, therefore, one of the focal points 66 00:03:42,347 --> 00:03:45,267 of the Hajj ceremony 67 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:49,650 that every Muslim certainly tries to achieve 68 00:03:49,771 --> 00:03:52,441 during their lifetime, and they will then enter 69 00:03:52,524 --> 00:03:57,244 the central court of Mecca and, if possible, 70 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,580 try to kiss the Black Stone in emulation of Muhammad, 71 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:05,789 who was said to have set it up in this position 72 00:04:05,871 --> 00:04:10,081 in the year 605 AD. 73 00:04:10,167 --> 00:04:12,247 This is the most mystical encounter 74 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:13,625 with any material object 75 00:04:13,712 --> 00:04:17,552 that a loyal Muslim can possibly have. 76 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:20,682 They’re in such a hypnotic state, 77 00:04:20,802 --> 00:04:22,102 such a transcendent state, 78 00:04:22,179 --> 00:04:23,969 and they use the corner of the building 79 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:26,465 to make sure it’s seven times, 80 00:04:26,558 --> 00:04:30,348 to have the full effect of the ritual activity. 81 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:33,609 With Muslims in Mecca, the Black Stone has the power 82 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:35,400 to communicate with people. 83 00:04:35,484 --> 00:04:37,614 I mean, literally talk with people. 84 00:04:37,694 --> 00:04:39,364 There’s two million people nowadays 85 00:04:39,488 --> 00:04:40,698 that make that pilgrimage. 86 00:04:40,822 --> 00:04:42,322 You might get trampled, and unfortunately, 87 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:45,329 there have been people who have been trampled to death. 88 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:48,325 But that’s so important 89 00:04:48,413 --> 00:04:52,043 that it connects you back to the historic past. 90 00:04:52,167 --> 00:04:54,787 The Black Stone is a major material focus, 91 00:04:54,878 --> 00:04:56,208 the most sacred object 92 00:04:56,338 --> 00:04:58,168 in one of the world’s most major religions, 93 00:04:58,256 --> 00:05:00,716 and it also was sacred to other people. 94 00:05:00,842 --> 00:05:03,432 HUSSAIN: So, people who are outside the Islamic tradition 95 00:05:03,512 --> 00:05:06,352 may risk their lives to travel to see this. 96 00:05:06,431 --> 00:05:08,641 And if they’re found out, they may well be killed. 97 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:10,135 You have these accounts of people 98 00:05:10,227 --> 00:05:12,517 like Captain Richard Francis Burton, 99 00:05:12,604 --> 00:05:14,154 one of these famous explorers, 100 00:05:14,231 --> 00:05:15,981 who disguises himself as a Muslim. 101 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:19,936 There’s a power there for him to see the ritual, 102 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:22,778 to see the stone, to handle this thing. 103 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:26,704 Richard Francis Burton goes in, sees this, 104 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:29,657 is able to come back out and writes about this. 105 00:05:29,746 --> 00:05:32,666 So, you can see from him the importance of this place, 106 00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:35,249 because the connection to the biblical prophets. 107 00:05:35,377 --> 00:05:36,957 THOMPSON: Certainly, the stories 108 00:05:37,045 --> 00:05:39,545 that have been built around it really pull people in. 109 00:05:39,631 --> 00:05:41,301 And some people suggest that maybe it’s something 110 00:05:41,383 --> 00:05:44,763 in the stone itself, uh, that pulls people in. 111 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:49,467 SHATNER: The stone itself pulling people in? 112 00:05:49,558 --> 00:05:51,348 But how? 113 00:05:51,434 --> 00:05:54,024 For the millions, if not billions of Muslims 114 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:57,904 who have made their pilgrimage to the Kaaba, 115 00:05:57,983 --> 00:06:00,153 there’s no doubt that the Black Stone 116 00:06:00,235 --> 00:06:03,285 has an inexorable power 117 00:06:03,405 --> 00:06:06,415 that seems to draw them into its orbit. 118 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:08,621 And according to some experts, 119 00:06:08,743 --> 00:06:13,923 that’s because the Black Stone is not of this world. 120 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:21,383 Muslims believe that this was sent down by God to Earth. 121 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:25,007 If we’re scientific, we may call that a meteorite. 122 00:06:25,093 --> 00:06:27,103 If we’re not scientific, we may call that miraculous. 123 00:06:27,178 --> 00:06:30,928 You know, here’s this stone that comes from the heavens. 124 00:06:31,016 --> 00:06:34,016 AARON CELESTIAN: When a meteorite hits the Earth and somebody witnessed the fall 125 00:06:34,102 --> 00:06:35,942 and-and they were to go to that location, 126 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:38,731 there’s a variety of things that they might be able to find. 127 00:06:38,815 --> 00:06:41,725 If the stone falls in a sandy area, for example, 128 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:44,398 there might be a lot of heat associated with the meteorite 129 00:06:44,487 --> 00:06:47,617 as it falls, and that could cause 130 00:06:47,741 --> 00:06:51,291 a fusion of the sand to cause some kind of glass to form. 131 00:06:51,369 --> 00:06:54,119 And so, when you walk up onto it, you might find 132 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:55,415 some interesting new features 133 00:06:55,498 --> 00:06:57,248 that you probably wouldn’t have seen 134 00:06:57,334 --> 00:07:00,634 in that particular part of the-the world before. 135 00:07:03,381 --> 00:07:05,341 Meteorites arrive from outer space 136 00:07:05,467 --> 00:07:08,887 being exposed to cosmic rays, they’re slightly radioactive. 137 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:14,020 To people not exposed to electromagnetic radiation, 138 00:07:14,142 --> 00:07:16,982 they might have been able to even feel that buzz 139 00:07:17,103 --> 00:07:19,273 from this rock, from the radiation. 140 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:21,316 Beta particles especially. 141 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:22,901 You know, whether you believe it was sent by God 142 00:07:22,984 --> 00:07:24,614 or whether you believe it was a random act, 143 00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:27,664 it has literally extraterrestrial origins. 144 00:07:27,781 --> 00:07:31,781 And so, that creates a real power there. 145 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:34,788 SHATNER: Could the Black Stone of Mecca really have the power 146 00:07:34,871 --> 00:07:38,171 to physically affect people who come near it? 147 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:42,001 Well, the truth is, we may never know for sure. 148 00:07:42,128 --> 00:07:45,838 Because no one has ever been officially allowed 149 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:48,836 to inspect or analyze it. 150 00:07:50,762 --> 00:07:52,972 So, there are a lot of exciting and interesting questions 151 00:07:53,056 --> 00:07:54,636 about the Black Stone. 152 00:07:54,724 --> 00:07:57,484 I think the first initial one is, is it actually a meteorite? 153 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,100 A lot of people propose that and there’s some evidence, 154 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:03,478 particularly from a local impact crater, that it came from there. 155 00:08:03,566 --> 00:08:06,646 And is there some sort of radiation energy that it emits 156 00:08:06,736 --> 00:08:10,486 or is coming from it that we just don’t understand yet? 157 00:08:10,573 --> 00:08:13,163 So it would be really amazing to have the opportunity 158 00:08:13,243 --> 00:08:14,833 to analyze the Black Stone. 159 00:08:14,911 --> 00:08:16,411 There are obviously challenges, 160 00:08:16,538 --> 00:08:19,668 both sort of social as well as scientific. 161 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:22,129 It’s in the Muslim world, it’s in a very sacred place, 162 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:23,920 it’s a very sacred stone. 163 00:08:24,045 --> 00:08:27,335 So bringing in scientists and doing careful analyses 164 00:08:27,424 --> 00:08:31,054 have those social challenges, and would be difficult. 165 00:08:31,928 --> 00:08:33,388 HUSSAIN: Even if you don’t believe, 166 00:08:33,471 --> 00:08:35,681 as a Muslim, that this comes from God, 167 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:37,675 and has this religious significance, 168 00:08:37,767 --> 00:08:40,387 you understand the power of this object 169 00:08:40,478 --> 00:08:42,728 that, for at least 1,400 years, 170 00:08:42,814 --> 00:08:47,154 Muslims have been circling as they do their prayers. 171 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:49,235 There’s a tremendous power there. 172 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:51,702 We want to touch that. 173 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:58,037 It’s profound to see the massive crowds of people 174 00:08:58,121 --> 00:09:00,411 walking around a mysterious stone 175 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:03,580 that they believe connects them to a higher power. 176 00:09:03,668 --> 00:09:06,418 And for people of all faiths, 177 00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:09,344 making contact with the spiritual world 178 00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:13,344 is often achieved by using the simplest of rituals: 179 00:09:13,428 --> 00:09:16,308 the practice of prayer. 180 00:09:25,273 --> 00:09:28,903 SHATNER: Here, in what is known as the Holy Land, 181 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:33,525 the average temperature is almost 90 degrees Fahrenheit, 182 00:09:33,615 --> 00:09:38,295 and water is a precious commodity. 183 00:09:38,369 --> 00:09:42,289 But this is no average year. 184 00:09:44,375 --> 00:09:45,955 It’s been almost five years 185 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:48,416 since more than a few drops of rain 186 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:51,635 fell upon Israel’s thirsty sands, 187 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:55,508 and the people are beginning to panic. 188 00:09:55,637 --> 00:09:58,637 TZADOK: The spring season in the Middle East 189 00:09:58,723 --> 00:10:02,313 is the time for the rains to come. 190 00:10:02,393 --> 00:10:05,653 As such, if the rains are not there, 191 00:10:05,772 --> 00:10:07,732 you don’t have your agriculture, 192 00:10:07,816 --> 00:10:10,476 which is a life and death type of experience. 193 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:13,950 Even in modern times, with all of our modern technology, 194 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:16,070 rain makes the crops grow. 195 00:10:16,157 --> 00:10:18,987 No crops, no food. No food, no life. 196 00:10:19,077 --> 00:10:22,157 So, when we have a drought, 197 00:10:22,247 --> 00:10:24,667 this creates crisis. 198 00:10:26,584 --> 00:10:28,544 SHATNER: Israel is one of the wealthiest 199 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:32,550 and most technologically advanced countries in the world. 200 00:10:33,508 --> 00:10:36,218 It is also one of the most religious. 201 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:40,684 So when facing its worst drought in close to 100 years, 202 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:44,977 with the fate of the entire country hanging in the balance, 203 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:47,611 what is their solution? 204 00:10:48,940 --> 00:10:50,900 Prayer. 205 00:10:51,025 --> 00:10:52,895 TZADOK: In our Judaic tradition, 206 00:10:53,027 --> 00:10:56,197 we have had a long-standing history 207 00:10:56,322 --> 00:11:00,032 that when there is drought, the chief rabbi of the country 208 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,870 can call the entire nation to prayer, 209 00:11:03,955 --> 00:11:06,755 and you can have a gathering in Jerusalem 210 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:11,215 of literally thousands or tens of thousands of minds, souls, 211 00:11:11,337 --> 00:11:17,297 that will come together and pour out their collective energy, 212 00:11:17,385 --> 00:11:22,095 calling upon God in heaven to literally manipulate 213 00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:27,403 the forces of nature and bring rain. 214 00:11:29,898 --> 00:11:33,568 THOMPSON: In 2018, Israel was in a major drought. 215 00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:36,531 And this was really beginning to cause problems. 216 00:11:36,613 --> 00:11:38,993 At this point, uh, Chief Rabbi David Lau 217 00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:41,413 organized a massive ritual, 218 00:11:41,534 --> 00:11:43,914 put out a call for believers to come 219 00:11:43,995 --> 00:11:49,135 to one of the most sacred sites in Judaism, the Wailing Wall. 220 00:11:51,377 --> 00:11:54,627 They went to the Wailing Wall, and you had thousands of Jews 221 00:11:54,756 --> 00:11:56,466 praying for rain to come. 222 00:11:56,591 --> 00:11:59,141 (all praying) 223 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:03,390 TZADOK: When the individual Torah-observant Jewish man 224 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:06,773 wraps himself in his tallit prayer shawl 225 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:10,651 and puts on the boxes of the tefillin, 226 00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:17,282 he creates for himself a psychic bubble of energy 227 00:12:17,362 --> 00:12:21,742 which unites the individual mind and heart 228 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:26,204 with the collective power of the word of God, 229 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:28,787 literally materialized before him in the form 230 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:31,135 of the fringes of the prayer shawl, 231 00:12:31,251 --> 00:12:34,591 and literally in the form of the scrolls 232 00:12:34,671 --> 00:12:37,301 that are upon his arm next to his heart 233 00:12:37,382 --> 00:12:40,382 and on his head close to his mind. 234 00:12:42,845 --> 00:12:46,135 SHATNER: It is one thing for us to believe the ritual of prayer 235 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:49,096 has the ability to affect our world. 236 00:12:49,185 --> 00:12:51,305 But can the act of praying 237 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:55,477 actually connect us to a higher power? 238 00:12:56,651 --> 00:13:00,701 A ritual is a very predictable sequence of-of events. 239 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:14,672 The interesting thing is, if you have two things, 240 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:16,504 you have a boundary between them. 241 00:13:16,587 --> 00:13:19,337 And prayer and prayer rituals might be a way 242 00:13:19,465 --> 00:13:21,625 of influencing that boundary between the physical 243 00:13:21,718 --> 00:13:25,218 and the non-physical, in a way that the non-physical 244 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:28,346 then interacts again with the physical world. 245 00:13:30,268 --> 00:13:33,478 SHATNER: To those more secular and cynical-minded, 246 00:13:33,563 --> 00:13:38,533 praying is a rather quaint if not irrelevant pastime. 247 00:13:38,651 --> 00:13:43,241 There’s no reason it should work, right? 248 00:13:44,782 --> 00:13:49,542 Except that in the case of ending Israel’s drought in 2018, 249 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:53,542 many believe it did. 250 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:55,924 (thunder rumbles) 251 00:14:16,731 --> 00:14:19,611 HUSSAIN: You can say that it’s just simply correlation. 252 00:14:19,734 --> 00:14:21,574 Yes, you prayed and yes, three days later, 253 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:24,414 there was rain, but the one thing didn’t cause the other. 254 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:27,410 I mean, that’s the scientific approach. 255 00:14:27,492 --> 00:14:29,082 The religious approach is a little bit different to say, 256 00:14:29,202 --> 00:14:31,752 "Well, maybe we did, maybe we did influence, uh, this. 257 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:35,999 Maybe God listened to these prayers." 258 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:43,054 TZADOK: In Judaism, there are rituals 259 00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:47,142 that augment the power of the individual. 260 00:14:47,261 --> 00:14:51,101 The passion, the desire, the thought, the idea. 261 00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:54,394 Creating, if you will, a psychic field, 262 00:14:54,477 --> 00:15:01,277 which combines to give great psychic spiritual energy 263 00:15:01,359 --> 00:15:04,779 for the fulfillment of that which the individuals seek. 264 00:15:04,862 --> 00:15:08,162 But when we come together as a collective, 265 00:15:08,282 --> 00:15:13,542 we find that it does have the power to influence change. 266 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:18,381 They prayed for rain, and the prayers were answered. 267 00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:25,051 Were the prayers of Israel answered by God? 268 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:28,303 Or was the rainfall simply a coincidence? 269 00:15:28,386 --> 00:15:32,596 It would seem the answer is a matter of faith. 270 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,806 But not all sacred rituals 271 00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:37,192 involve the fate of millions of people. 272 00:15:37,311 --> 00:15:39,191 Some are thought to have an effect 273 00:15:39,313 --> 00:15:41,193 on the life of a single person, 274 00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:55,905 such as the ancient healing practice of voodoo. 275 00:15:55,997 --> 00:15:58,207 SHATNER: 32-year-old author Julia Buckley 276 00:15:58,332 --> 00:16:02,422 is writing in her office when she experiences a pain 277 00:16:02,503 --> 00:16:05,593 unlike any she has ever felt before. 278 00:16:05,673 --> 00:16:09,643 I was just at my desk one day at work, typing away, 279 00:16:09,719 --> 00:16:12,679 um, reached out for a cup of coffee, 280 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:17,265 and suddenly, it was as if my right arm was on fire, 281 00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:19,441 as if someone had laid out fireworks 282 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,770 all the way from my fingers up to my armpit, 283 00:16:22,857 --> 00:16:24,187 and across to my neck. 284 00:16:24,317 --> 00:16:27,107 I was really pretty disabled by the pain, 285 00:16:27,195 --> 00:16:31,375 ’cause it was getting worse day by day, week by week. 286 00:16:31,449 --> 00:16:35,579 I couldn’t do anything with this right arm at all. 287 00:16:35,703 --> 00:16:39,713 I saw three general doctors, I saw eight specialists. 288 00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:43,632 I was doing everything that I was told to do. 289 00:16:43,711 --> 00:16:49,431 So after two years, I was completely at my wit’s end. 290 00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:53,050 So I was pretty desperate and in quite a dark place. 291 00:16:53,137 --> 00:16:55,887 SHATNER: With her life virtually in shambles, 292 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,095 Julia was willing to try anything. 293 00:16:58,226 --> 00:17:01,016 Turning away from conventional medicine, 294 00:17:01,103 --> 00:17:03,563 she began to investigate alternatives, 295 00:17:03,689 --> 00:17:09,609 and this led her down a, shall we say, unusual path. 296 00:17:09,737 --> 00:17:12,027 Voodoo healing. 297 00:17:12,114 --> 00:17:15,954 And I was reading a book about voodoo. 298 00:17:16,077 --> 00:17:18,157 And reading it, I hadn’t seen anything like it 299 00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:19,956 in any of the other research that I’d done. 300 00:17:20,081 --> 00:17:23,831 I just got this impression that the voodoo priests 301 00:17:23,918 --> 00:17:28,208 were probably the people who had the most kind of grasp 302 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:30,717 of the mind-body relationship. 303 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,890 And I just thought, if anyone’s gonna be able to help me, 304 00:17:33,970 --> 00:17:35,850 it’s gonna be someone in Haiti. 305 00:17:37,431 --> 00:17:39,681 SHATNER: Still fighting debilitating pain, 306 00:17:39,767 --> 00:17:41,847 Julia Buckley flew to Haiti, 307 00:17:41,936 --> 00:17:45,606 and, once there, arranged to meet with Richard Morse, 308 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:48,190 a voodoo practitioner. 309 00:17:48,276 --> 00:17:51,026 BUCKLEY: I’d actually read interviews and knew 310 00:17:51,112 --> 00:17:55,702 that he was a voodoo priest as well as a hotel owner, 311 00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:57,703 and so I’d already thought, "Oh, I need to try and ask him 312 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:00,035 whether he can, he can do anything for me." 313 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:03,621 So, I checked in to the hotel, met him, 314 00:18:03,749 --> 00:18:05,789 and then we started talking about voodoo 315 00:18:05,876 --> 00:18:08,296 and its capacity for healing. 316 00:18:08,379 --> 00:18:10,549 And so, I told him exactly why I was there, 317 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:12,931 and I just said, "Can you help me?" 318 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:16,469 I think he said, "Are you-- are you sure you want this?" 319 00:18:16,554 --> 00:18:19,474 And I was like, "Absolutely." 320 00:18:20,308 --> 00:18:21,768 MORSE: No one taught me how to do this. 321 00:18:21,851 --> 00:18:24,481 I didn’t go to school to do this. 322 00:18:24,562 --> 00:18:27,902 But I have a c-certain capacity 323 00:18:27,982 --> 00:18:30,482 for something of this sort. 324 00:18:31,694 --> 00:18:34,494 My mom was a voodoo priestess, 325 00:18:34,572 --> 00:18:37,872 and my father’s family goes back to the Puritans. 326 00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:40,242 I like to call my thing "puritan voodoo," 327 00:18:40,328 --> 00:18:42,658 because I’m a mix. 328 00:18:43,706 --> 00:18:45,496 SHATNER: After learning about her symptoms, 329 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:47,463 Morse led her into a dark room, 330 00:18:47,543 --> 00:18:49,923 one meant to summon spirits 331 00:18:50,004 --> 00:18:53,224 and extract whatever was harming her. 332 00:18:53,341 --> 00:18:58,101 BUCKLEY: There were candles and bottles all around the room. 333 00:18:58,179 --> 00:19:00,429 There were strips of cloth, 334 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:02,314 different-colored cloths, that now I know represent 335 00:19:02,391 --> 00:19:05,061 the different loa, all the spirits, all around the room. 336 00:19:05,186 --> 00:19:07,516 There were these terra-cotta pots 337 00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:10,615 that he said were filled with the souls of the dead. 338 00:19:10,691 --> 00:19:12,151 And there were these little bottles 339 00:19:12,234 --> 00:19:14,284 of what I found out afterwards were holy water 340 00:19:14,362 --> 00:19:17,282 brought from shrines all over the rest of the world. 341 00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:20,282 He went around me a couple of times. 342 00:19:20,368 --> 00:19:22,368 Then he stopped at the back of my neck 343 00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:27,543 and started feeling from the bottom of my skull 344 00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:29,465 down to my neck. 345 00:19:29,543 --> 00:19:31,503 Kind of pressing on it, almost like what a chiropractor 346 00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:35,667 might do before they really start going for it. 347 00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:39,804 I was scared, because that’s where all my problems were 348 00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:41,967 and I didn’t want him to hurt me and I didn’t want my neck 349 00:19:42,056 --> 00:19:43,926 to be cracked or anything like that. 350 00:19:44,058 --> 00:19:45,308 I was terrified. 351 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:49,306 He told me that he had found 352 00:19:49,397 --> 00:19:52,647 a demon in the shape of a black cat on my neck. 353 00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:56,743 So when he had been dragging his fingers down my neck, 354 00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:58,202 he was literally picking up 355 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,740 and detaching this black cat. 356 00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:02,875 He said he didn’t know how I’d got it, 357 00:20:02,952 --> 00:20:04,582 when I’d got it or how long it had been there, 358 00:20:04,662 --> 00:20:06,752 but he said it was nasty and... 359 00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:08,541 that he’d got rid of it. 360 00:20:09,667 --> 00:20:11,877 It was only when I got to the airport, 361 00:20:11,961 --> 00:20:13,751 decided I needed a cup of coffee 362 00:20:13,838 --> 00:20:16,548 and jumped up the stairs to the coffee bar 363 00:20:16,632 --> 00:20:18,722 carrying my little carry-on suitcase. 364 00:20:18,801 --> 00:20:20,551 I was standing with the coffee, 365 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:22,006 and I kind of looked down and thought, 366 00:20:22,096 --> 00:20:23,556 "Hang on, I can’t normally do that." 367 00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:25,309 And I checked in with my body and I realized, 368 00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:28,193 "Actually, nowhere is hurting right now. 369 00:20:28,269 --> 00:20:29,519 This is really strange." 370 00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:33,443 It was the first time in nearly three years 371 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:35,776 that I hadn’t been in pain. 372 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:38,820 SHATNER: As far as Julia Buckley was concerned, 373 00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:40,026 voodoo had worked 374 00:20:40,114 --> 00:20:43,624 after everything else had failed. 375 00:20:43,701 --> 00:20:45,081 But how? 376 00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:47,541 THOMPSON: Voodoo is a fabulously interesting tradition. 377 00:20:47,621 --> 00:20:49,251 We see it in the Caribbean, 378 00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:50,711 primarily, perhaps, in Haiti, 379 00:20:50,791 --> 00:20:52,081 although certainly in other places 380 00:20:52,168 --> 00:20:53,588 around the Caribbean as well. 381 00:20:54,378 --> 00:20:56,588 It’s a part of a much larger assemblage 382 00:20:56,672 --> 00:20:59,422 of religions with a shared sort of worldview. 383 00:20:59,508 --> 00:21:01,968 This traces back to West Africa, 384 00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:03,892 uh, and to several, uh, groups 385 00:21:03,971 --> 00:21:05,761 and several different religions there. 386 00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:08,308 The West African religious tradition, uh, 387 00:21:08,392 --> 00:21:09,982 was brought over via the slave trade 388 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:12,150 to the Caribbean, to the Southern United States, 389 00:21:12,229 --> 00:21:14,689 where it flourished and took on different forms 390 00:21:14,815 --> 00:21:19,315 and blended somewhat easily with the Catholic faith. 391 00:21:25,159 --> 00:21:29,199 You can call it God or you can call it, uh, 392 00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:32,000 how you... how you want... 393 00:21:40,508 --> 00:21:42,798 (singing) 394 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:02,566 SHATNER: Perhaps one of the reasons 395 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:05,776 voodoo’s followers believe in its incredible power 396 00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:10,036 is because they know it not only can be used to heal 397 00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:12,122 but also to harm. 398 00:22:12,915 --> 00:22:14,965 We hear this phrase, uh, "voodoo death," you know, 399 00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:16,632 that people may have cast a spell 400 00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:18,050 or done some kind of ritual 401 00:22:18,128 --> 00:22:20,128 that causes the death of other person. 402 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:23,843 And if we’re scientific, well, that’s ridiculous. That has 403 00:22:23,926 --> 00:22:25,506 no causal relationship here. 404 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:26,894 But if we dig a little deeper, 405 00:22:26,971 --> 00:22:29,011 there have been cases of voodoo deaths 406 00:22:29,098 --> 00:22:31,848 where someone has said something or done something 407 00:22:31,934 --> 00:22:34,694 that literally affects another person. 408 00:22:35,396 --> 00:22:37,856 NICK HOBSON: Most scientists, doctors or researchers 409 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:40,110 would just call it an anomaly. 410 00:22:40,234 --> 00:22:42,654 A physical or psychological anomaly 411 00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:45,986 that we can’t quite explain 412 00:22:46,073 --> 00:22:49,583 with the data or the information that are presented before us. 413 00:22:50,411 --> 00:22:52,041 BUCKLEY: I think there’s a lot of value 414 00:22:52,121 --> 00:22:54,751 in things being unexplained. 415 00:22:54,832 --> 00:22:56,502 Something like voodoo, 416 00:22:56,584 --> 00:23:00,174 you’re never gonna be able to have the proof of what happened. 417 00:23:00,254 --> 00:23:02,514 I don’t know what happened in that room, and I was there. 418 00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:04,930 ♪ 419 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:10,886 Can voodoo healing practices involving candles, 420 00:23:10,973 --> 00:23:13,563 pieces of cloth and holy water 421 00:23:13,642 --> 00:23:19,402 cure ailments that modern medicine can’t even diagnose? 422 00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:21,821 It’s an intriguing idea. 423 00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:24,782 And the truth is that, throughout history, 424 00:23:24,862 --> 00:23:27,532 many seemingly ordinary objects 425 00:23:27,615 --> 00:23:29,875 have been used in mystical rituals. 426 00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:31,870 For instance, there’s a stone 427 00:23:31,952 --> 00:23:33,582 that plays an important role 428 00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:46,432 in the coronation of England’s kings and queens. 429 00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:48,428 SHATNER: Here on Saint Andrew’s Day, 430 00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:50,720 Scotland’s official national holiday, 431 00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:54,524 a long-awaited ceremony is finally taking place. 432 00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:57,812 The occasion will finally see the return, 433 00:23:57,937 --> 00:23:59,227 after more than 700 years, 434 00:23:59,313 --> 00:24:02,073 of one of Scotland’s most important artifacts-- 435 00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:05,439 a roughly two-by-one-foot sandstone block 436 00:24:05,527 --> 00:24:08,027 weighing 335 pounds 437 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,985 called the Stone of Scone. 438 00:24:11,075 --> 00:24:14,165 Or as it’s known according to legend, 439 00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:16,834 the Stone of Destiny. 440 00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:19,254 THOMPSON: The stone itself is just a stone, 441 00:24:19,333 --> 00:24:21,253 uh, somewhat unremarkable-looking. 442 00:24:21,335 --> 00:24:24,845 And yet the stories of that stone have been so powerful, 443 00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:26,384 reflecting so many wars 444 00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:31,427 and-and contests between nations for hundreds of years. 445 00:24:31,512 --> 00:24:34,392 And another fascinating aspect of this is that we know 446 00:24:34,515 --> 00:24:37,185 that this stone was religiously important. 447 00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:41,267 The Stone of Scone has really interesting religious roots. 448 00:24:41,355 --> 00:24:44,025 And this goes back to the biblical tradition. 449 00:24:44,108 --> 00:24:47,278 The patriarch Jacob in the Book of Genesis 450 00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:50,951 has this dream at this place called Beit El, 451 00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:52,621 literally "the house of God." 452 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:57,160 He’s sleeping and he uses stones to rest his head on. 453 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,830 There’s a tradition that says Jeremiah, a later prophet, 454 00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:03,076 takes this stone to Ireland. 455 00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:07,010 The stone then finds its way to Scotland. 456 00:25:08,257 --> 00:25:11,337 SHATNER: In 840 AD, a nobleman named Kenneth MacAlpin 457 00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:15,637 brought the sandstone slab to the medieval town of Scone. 458 00:25:15,723 --> 00:25:18,233 According to Scottish legend, it was the stone itself 459 00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:20,518 that proclaimed him "Kenneth I," 460 00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:23,402 the original king of Scotland. 461 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,070 According to the stories, uh, 462 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:27,730 when the rightful ruler would place their foot on the stone, 463 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:30,200 the stone would speak out and proclaim them 464 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,359 as the rightful ruler of the land. 465 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:39,245 HUSSAIN: It’s used in Scottish rituals as a way of coronation. 466 00:25:39,997 --> 00:25:42,577 It’s this stone that is really key, 467 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:45,206 and the idea here is that the monarch 468 00:25:45,294 --> 00:25:48,054 isn’t just selected by the people-- 469 00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:51,340 God has chosen the monarch. 470 00:25:52,593 --> 00:25:55,263 SHATNER: For centuries, the Stone of Destiny was considered 471 00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:58,515 not only one of the greatest treasures in all of Scotland 472 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,479 but also a legitimate means 473 00:26:00,601 --> 00:26:02,851 by which someone could rule the country. 474 00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:05,356 Which is why, in 1296, 475 00:26:05,439 --> 00:26:08,439 the English monarch Edward I wanted it 476 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:12,315 and the Scottish throne for himself. 477 00:26:12,446 --> 00:26:15,156 In the 13th century, the English come in 478 00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:16,912 -and conquer. -(horse neighs) 479 00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:19,162 We always talk about conquerors taking out valuable objects, 480 00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:22,536 and we think of gold, diamonds, jewels. 481 00:26:22,623 --> 00:26:23,963 We don’t think about stones. 482 00:26:24,041 --> 00:26:25,501 But what’s one of the first things that they take? 483 00:26:25,626 --> 00:26:28,586 Well, they take this stone, the Stone of Destiny. 484 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:31,720 YOUNG: The reason Edward I took the stone 485 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,719 was to demoralize the Scots. 486 00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:35,971 This was the treasure of Scotland. 487 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,105 This was the center of their power system. 488 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:42,020 And now he controlled it and had himself crowned on this stone 489 00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:45,192 and then could declare that he was not only the king 490 00:26:45,312 --> 00:26:48,862 of the English but the king of the Scots as well. 491 00:26:49,817 --> 00:26:52,487 COLLINS: It was placed in Westminster Abbey 492 00:26:52,569 --> 00:26:58,369 beneath a coronation chair known as Edward’s Seat. 493 00:26:58,492 --> 00:26:59,872 And thereafter 494 00:26:59,993 --> 00:27:05,503 it was used in the coronations of all English rulers. 495 00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:08,788 HUSSAIN: Edward basically builds it into a chair. 496 00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:10,207 Covers it over with-with wood 497 00:27:10,337 --> 00:27:12,337 and it becomes a throne, essentially. 498 00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:16,474 But the idea is that the power comes from this stone, 499 00:27:16,552 --> 00:27:18,092 the Stone of Destiny. 500 00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:19,548 SHATNER: Destiny-- 501 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,770 the idea that the course of one’s entire life 502 00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:27,650 has been predetermined by a power beyond our understanding. 503 00:27:27,729 --> 00:27:28,939 Back in the Middle Ages, 504 00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:30,732 it might make sense that people would think 505 00:27:30,858 --> 00:27:35,648 that greatness could be bestowed upon someone by a divine force. 506 00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:40,368 But what is it about this unremarkable slab of rock 507 00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:43,910 that still holds such importance today? 508 00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:46,041 We tend to think of these rituals 509 00:27:46,123 --> 00:27:48,423 as somehow going back to older, superstitious people, 510 00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:52,002 but the fact that the British in the 21st century 511 00:27:52,087 --> 00:27:57,047 still will proclaim the monarch on the throne of this stone, 512 00:27:57,134 --> 00:27:58,554 that becomes really important. 513 00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:00,925 These are not ancient, archaic people 514 00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:02,394 who don’t know anything about the world. 515 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,894 These are modern, 21st century Brits 516 00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:07,556 who are still saying, you know, 517 00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:11,404 that we still need to be able to show that our queen or our king 518 00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,533 comes from this divine, 519 00:28:13,609 --> 00:28:16,699 God has chosen this person. 520 00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:20,493 SHATNER: Nearly every British king or queen since the 14th century 521 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:23,414 has been coronated on the Stone of Destiny. 522 00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:25,155 It was last used in 1953, 523 00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:29,745 during the coronation ceremony of Queen Elizabeth II. 524 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,920 But-- as a growing number of Scottish people 525 00:28:33,003 --> 00:28:34,423 have begun to speculate-- 526 00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:37,424 was Elizabeth’s coronation legitimate? 527 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:40,549 Because-- as many have come to believe-- 528 00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:43,176 the Stone of Destiny 529 00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:45,893 may not be the real thing. 530 00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:50,397 NEWSMAN: A Christmas Day sensation at Westminster Abbey. 531 00:28:50,479 --> 00:28:51,649 The Stone of Destiny, 532 00:28:51,772 --> 00:28:53,062 which had been there for some 600 years, 533 00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:55,858 was stolen from the Coronation Chair. 534 00:28:55,943 --> 00:28:57,863 COLLINS: In 1950, 535 00:28:57,945 --> 00:29:00,915 a group of Scottish students 536 00:29:00,989 --> 00:29:04,029 actually got into Westminster Abbey 537 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:06,577 and stole the Stone of Scone 538 00:29:06,662 --> 00:29:09,962 and took it back to the altar 539 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,540 of Arbroath Abbey in Scotland 540 00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:17,087 and thus giving it into the hands of the Church of Scotland. 541 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:22,092 The Church of Scotland then gave the stone back to England. 542 00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:25,257 However, there is a strong rumor 543 00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:29,977 that the original stone never reached Westminster 544 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:35,360 a-and that the one that is there was a fake. 545 00:29:35,482 --> 00:29:40,402 However, whether this story is true or not, we may never know. 546 00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:43,987 SHATNER: A fake Stone of Destiny? 547 00:29:44,074 --> 00:29:45,624 It’s an interesting claim 548 00:29:45,701 --> 00:29:47,621 but one that is not without its problems. 549 00:29:47,703 --> 00:29:50,543 Because when the English returned the Stone of Destiny 550 00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:51,834 to the Scots, 551 00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:53,785 they did so on one condition. 552 00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:58,165 HUSSAIN: In 1996, when the stone is returned back to Scotland, 553 00:29:58,297 --> 00:30:00,087 there’s an agreement that, okay, you have it, 554 00:30:00,173 --> 00:30:03,013 but we’ll use it the next time we coronate a monarch. 555 00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:08,062 COLLINS: The point is that we believe in its power. 556 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:10,851 We believe in its potency. 557 00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:12,104 The heritage, 558 00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:13,685 the traditions, 559 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:16,900 the history of the stone gives it energy. 560 00:30:17,024 --> 00:30:19,154 And that’s what’s important here. 561 00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:22,784 If people believe strongly enough in an object, 562 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:26,163 that can create a reality. 563 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:28,621 ♪ 564 00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:34,457 King Charles III is the latest English monarch to participate 565 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:38,801 in the coronation ceremony using the Stone of Destiny. 566 00:30:38,879 --> 00:30:42,299 It’s a sacred rite that the royal family has honored 567 00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:44,052 for over 700 years. 568 00:30:44,134 --> 00:30:45,594 But half a world away, 569 00:30:45,719 --> 00:30:49,969 the Malagasy people show reverence to their ancestors 570 00:30:50,057 --> 00:30:53,227 in an entirely different ritual, 571 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:55,020 one that involves 572 00:30:55,103 --> 00:31:04,203 digging up the dead. 573 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,069 SHATNER: On this large island in the Indian Ocean 574 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,580 some 250 miles off the eastern coast of Africa, 575 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:15,753 the indigenous Malagasy people gather every few years 576 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:21,594 for a multigenerational celebration known as Famadihana. 577 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:25,383 But this party is not a typical family get-together. 578 00:31:25,467 --> 00:31:27,257 Because the Malagasy don’t just invite 579 00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:29,926 their living relatives to this reunion-- 580 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:31,605 they also invite 581 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:33,933 the dead ones. 582 00:31:34,059 --> 00:31:36,519 STEAVU: Famadihana, or "the turning of the bones," 583 00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:39,063 is a ritual that is performed 584 00:31:39,147 --> 00:31:41,317 usually once every five to seven years 585 00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:45,031 in which a... the family or the relatives 586 00:31:45,112 --> 00:31:48,742 of a deceased person will get together from all over 587 00:31:48,824 --> 00:31:51,874 and celebrate the life of the deceased. 588 00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:55,254 They exhume the body, they carefully lay it out, 589 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:58,920 they clean it and then change the death shrouds 590 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,210 on the basis of this idea that the living 591 00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:05,005 can intervene on behalf of the dead 592 00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:06,802 to improve their lots 593 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,795 or their level of comfort in the afterlife. 594 00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:12,005 One part of the celebration also involves 595 00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:14,639 basically shouldering the bones of the deceased, 596 00:32:14,724 --> 00:32:17,694 and the turning of the bones will take place, 597 00:32:17,811 --> 00:32:19,561 sometimes dancing with them. 598 00:32:19,646 --> 00:32:21,516 (whooping) 599 00:32:21,648 --> 00:32:23,018 Usually the ceremony concludes 600 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,360 when they re-entomb the remains of the deceased. 601 00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:30,066 But they’re not cutting off the memory of this person 602 00:32:30,157 --> 00:32:33,237 from their lives. They will keep them present in their lives 603 00:32:33,326 --> 00:32:34,866 until the next time they see them, 604 00:32:34,995 --> 00:32:38,415 which is periodically every five to seven years. 605 00:32:38,498 --> 00:32:41,378 And this is a way to really... 606 00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:45,381 reinforce the connection between the living and the dead. 607 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,215 YOUNG: People will come to honor 608 00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:49,260 the lost ancestors, to be sure, 609 00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:52,392 but also to work on coming to terms with death 610 00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:54,062 that hovers around our lives. 611 00:32:54,181 --> 00:32:57,851 Some cultures deal with it more directly than others. 612 00:32:58,602 --> 00:33:00,522 And the value of this tradition 613 00:33:00,604 --> 00:33:02,734 is that it’s a different way of thinking 614 00:33:02,856 --> 00:33:07,106 about how death ends a life but it does not end a relationship. 615 00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:11,114 So it is lovely, even though it’s a little eerie. 616 00:33:11,198 --> 00:33:15,078 It reminds us the dead aren’t entirely gone. 617 00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:18,202 There are many belief systems that suggest 618 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:21,040 the soul is attached to the body, 619 00:33:21,166 --> 00:33:22,916 particularly the bones, 620 00:33:23,043 --> 00:33:25,463 and that, as long as bones exist, 621 00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:27,705 some trace presence of soul, 622 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,679 the soul of the person that lived in that body, 623 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,889 will still remain with the bones. 624 00:33:33,637 --> 00:33:35,347 SHATNER: Could it be true that our souls 625 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:38,310 really remain in our bones after we die? 626 00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:41,441 While that idea may sound far-fetched, 627 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,901 there are some people around the world who believe it’s true. 628 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:48,403 In fact, it’s often thought that our souls 629 00:33:48,485 --> 00:33:52,615 lie within the most recognizable part of the human body, 630 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:54,949 the skull. 631 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,371 Each year, on November 8, 632 00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:06,877 the indigenous Aymara people gather for an ancient custom-- 633 00:34:06,962 --> 00:34:09,802 a colorful procession 634 00:34:09,923 --> 00:34:12,433 known as Día de las Ñatitas, 635 00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:15,601 or the Festival of Skulls. 636 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:20,430 STEAVU: The Aymara indigenous people of Bolivia and Peru 637 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,559 keep skulls, uh, in shrines in the home. 638 00:34:25,272 --> 00:34:27,942 They keep ’em in places of honor in the household 639 00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:30,364 and make regular offerings to them. 640 00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:33,243 The skulls are thought to bring harmony to the family. 641 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:37,531 They’re thought to protect people from illness and death. 642 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:40,367 And they also ask them for advice. 643 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:42,663 They ask them for support or for help. 644 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:44,539 -(ringing) -And once a year, 645 00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,634 they will take out the skull 646 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,130 and parade them in this festival. 647 00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:53,382 PAUL KOUDOUNARIS: You’ll get 20,000, 30,000 people down in the cemetery. 648 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:54,796 It’s really quite a spectacle, 649 00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:55,966 ’cause you’ll get people bringing 650 00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:58,144 five or more skulls down in big boxes 651 00:34:58,263 --> 00:34:59,603 and they dress them up. 652 00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:04,476 If it’s cold in the morning, they’ll put on a hat. 653 00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:06,846 They’ll put sunglasses on ’em. 654 00:35:07,689 --> 00:35:10,399 And there are certain offerings that are pretty typical-- 655 00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:11,983 cigarettes, 656 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,820 alcohol, 657 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:16,453 little bits of money, coca leaves, things like that. 658 00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:17,741 You know? And it’s kind of a thank you 659 00:35:17,824 --> 00:35:19,744 to make sure the dead will continue 660 00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:20,866 to assist the living. 661 00:35:20,994 --> 00:35:22,584 STEAVU: These skulls are perceived 662 00:35:22,662 --> 00:35:24,122 as a kind of portal 663 00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:26,705 between the realm of the living and the dead, 664 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,423 a site where the spirit of the deceased can manifest. 665 00:35:29,502 --> 00:35:31,552 And it’s through these skulls that the living 666 00:35:31,671 --> 00:35:33,131 can communicate with the dead, 667 00:35:33,214 --> 00:35:36,594 as if they are living and as if they are present, 668 00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:39,216 there and then, in those skulls. 669 00:35:39,346 --> 00:35:45,386 There’s something about the way that the skulls are presented 670 00:35:45,518 --> 00:35:48,598 that you feel like these individuals are being venerated. 671 00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:53,318 We’re a species that communicates with our face. 672 00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:57,911 So it shouldn’t surprise us that we really fixate on the skull 673 00:35:58,031 --> 00:36:02,491 as being a way to honor and communicate 674 00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:04,867 with those ancestors. 675 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:10,326 Can ceremonies involving the bones of the deceased... 676 00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:12,304 ...actually bring us into contact 677 00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:14,049 with the spirits of our loved ones? 678 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:18,432 And if so, is it possible that sacred rituals 679 00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:21,511 can actually preserve the soul 680 00:36:21,596 --> 00:36:22,806 for eternity? 681 00:36:22,889 --> 00:36:25,429 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining 682 00:36:25,558 --> 00:36:29,018 a fascinating and strange practice 683 00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:39,914 known as the art of self-mummification. 684 00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:43,281 SHATNER: Just outside the Tsuruoka city limits 685 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:45,200 sits Churen-ji Temple. 686 00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:48,496 Surrounded by 200-year-old cherry blossom trees, 687 00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:51,461 Churen-ji is similar to many other rural temples 688 00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:53,424 throughout the region, 689 00:36:53,503 --> 00:36:55,923 with one notable exception. 690 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,837 The monk who presides here 691 00:36:57,924 --> 00:37:00,474 has been seated in meditative prayer 692 00:37:00,593 --> 00:37:03,183 for almost 200 years. 693 00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:05,683 KEN JEREMIAH: Among the mummified monks 694 00:37:05,765 --> 00:37:06,925 of Yamagata, Japan, 695 00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:09,348 Sunada Tetsu is perhaps the most famous. 696 00:37:09,436 --> 00:37:13,726 And his body is currently located at Churen Temple 697 00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:15,865 in northern Yamagata Prefecture. 698 00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:19,532 Sunada Tetsu is an 18th century Buddhist monk 699 00:37:19,612 --> 00:37:21,862 who wasn’t a religious person at all. 700 00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:24,778 He didn’t plan on entering religion. 701 00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:27,699 However, he ended up killing two samurai. 702 00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:30,667 ♪ 703 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,210 And at the time, 19th century Japan, 704 00:37:36,296 --> 00:37:39,626 if you kill two samurai and you’re a commoner, 705 00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,086 you’re gonna be killed. 706 00:37:41,968 --> 00:37:45,138 But local temples were exempt from that law. 707 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:47,273 So he joined Churen Temple 708 00:37:47,348 --> 00:37:49,348 and, over time, became a believer 709 00:37:49,476 --> 00:37:52,846 and one of the most holy people in Japan, 710 00:37:52,979 --> 00:37:55,519 traveling throughout the Japanese countryside, 711 00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:56,818 repairing bridges, 712 00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:58,650 doing anything he could to help people. 713 00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:03,489 SHATNER: Sunada Tetsu was so dedicated to serving the Japanese people 714 00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:05,743 that the one-time outlaw earned a reputation 715 00:38:05,825 --> 00:38:07,155 as a miracle worker. 716 00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:10,285 But as old age began approaching, 717 00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:12,871 Sunada Tetsu realized that there was only one way 718 00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:16,459 for him to continue his good works well into the future-- 719 00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:20,594 the ancient art of self-mummification, 720 00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:23,343 known as sokushinbutsu. 721 00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:27,465 In this particular tradition of, uh, Buddhism 722 00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:29,015 that we find in Japan, 723 00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:32,310 there’s this practice of sokushinbutsu, 724 00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:35,403 which is basically a mummification practice 725 00:38:35,522 --> 00:38:39,442 the practitioner undertakes when they’re still alive. 726 00:38:40,235 --> 00:38:43,575 People who engaged in the process of self-mummification, 727 00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:46,366 they wanted to preserve the flesh because they thought 728 00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:49,081 there was a divine merit that could be of use 729 00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:51,252 of people who are still alive. 730 00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:53,161 SHATNER: In order for a monk’s soul 731 00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:55,578 to shed his body in the proper manner, 732 00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:58,088 the practitioners of sokushinbutsu 733 00:38:58,211 --> 00:39:01,881 were required to undergo a very specific process, 734 00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:03,626 a process which-- 735 00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:05,216 as one can imagine-- 736 00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:08,393 isn’t exactly pleasant. 737 00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,266 JEREMIAH: The process of self-mummification 738 00:39:11,391 --> 00:39:15,731 is to gradually decrease the amount of food you’re ingesting 739 00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:17,194 and, in place, 740 00:39:17,272 --> 00:39:20,112 start ingesting things that are preservative in nature. 741 00:39:20,233 --> 00:39:22,033 And in the case of the self-mummified monks, 742 00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:25,240 they were pine bark, pine resin 743 00:39:25,321 --> 00:39:27,491 and urushi tea. 744 00:39:27,574 --> 00:39:30,124 Urushi tea, which comes from the lacquer tree, 745 00:39:30,243 --> 00:39:32,913 is considered to be extremely toxic 746 00:39:33,037 --> 00:39:36,077 but also lacquers the body from inside out 747 00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:40,037 and it removes moisture at the same time from the organs 748 00:39:40,128 --> 00:39:43,088 and presents some kind of embalming faculties. 749 00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:47,052 When the monks have completed their pre-mummification diet, 750 00:39:47,135 --> 00:39:51,435 they would be placed into a box made of pinewood 751 00:39:51,556 --> 00:39:55,016 and buried underground with a little bell. 752 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:57,521 (tinkling) 753 00:39:57,604 --> 00:39:59,814 Once the bell stopped ringing, 754 00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:02,189 the other monks would know that... 755 00:40:02,275 --> 00:40:04,945 the self-mummifying practitioner 756 00:40:05,028 --> 00:40:07,108 had, uh, deceased inside the box. 757 00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:10,238 SHATNER: According to historical accounts, 758 00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:13,415 Sunada Tetsu spent 3,000 days-- 759 00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:14,954 which is more than eight years-- 760 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,829 starving himself in preparation for his living burial. 761 00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:22,168 After his body was eventually unearthed, 762 00:40:22,295 --> 00:40:24,965 it showed no decay whatsoever, 763 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:27,879 signifying that his spirit was indeed pure. 764 00:40:27,967 --> 00:40:31,637 But as morbid as Sunada Tetsu’s tale may be, 765 00:40:31,721 --> 00:40:34,931 he was not the first to attempt the extreme ritual 766 00:40:35,016 --> 00:40:36,476 of sokushinbutsu, 767 00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:38,521 nor the last. 768 00:40:38,645 --> 00:40:41,025 The founder of Esoteric Buddhism in Japan 769 00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:43,937 was believed to have, uh, studied in China 770 00:40:44,025 --> 00:40:46,445 and, uh, learnt about this practice there 771 00:40:46,527 --> 00:40:49,357 and subsequently brought it to Japan, 772 00:40:49,489 --> 00:40:52,119 upon which some Japanese monks, the most intrepid amongst them, 773 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,040 would have picked it up and applied it. 774 00:40:55,161 --> 00:40:57,621 But the self-mummification practice 775 00:40:57,705 --> 00:40:59,705 was outlawed in the 19th century 776 00:40:59,832 --> 00:41:02,422 because it was rarely successful. 777 00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:05,804 JEREMIAH: They actually wanted to cause their own death 778 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,300 so they could be in meditative posture 779 00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:09,723 so they could direct their soul 780 00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:11,182 where they wanted it to go afterwards 781 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:13,642 and they’d be lucidly aware of the change 782 00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:14,931 between life and death. 783 00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:17,434 That’s why they’re considered living Buddha. 784 00:41:17,517 --> 00:41:19,307 These mummies were still alive 785 00:41:19,394 --> 00:41:23,114 because they are in between the realm of life and death 786 00:41:23,189 --> 00:41:25,569 and perhaps they can influence the two of ’em. 787 00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:27,992 ♪ 788 00:41:29,529 --> 00:41:33,199 Could the slow process of turning yourself into a mummy 789 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,084 actually be the secret to living forever? 790 00:41:36,202 --> 00:41:39,462 Well, if nothing else, these actions reinforce the belief 791 00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:43,289 that human beings can be transformed 792 00:41:43,376 --> 00:41:45,786 through the power of sacred rituals. 793 00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:48,798 And while the practice of rituals 794 00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:52,511 may be an intentional act that connects us to each other 795 00:41:52,593 --> 00:41:54,933 and to a higher power, 796 00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:58,314 the mystery of how they work remains... 797 00:41:58,391 --> 00:42:00,601 unexplained. 798 00:42:00,727 --> 00:42:03,227 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 64082

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