All language subtitles for Conversations With A Serial Killer - S01E03 - Richard Trenton Chase

If serial killers could speak from
beyond the grave, would they be willing

talk to us?

My name is Julie MacDonald. I'm an
investigative journalist.

And I'm Bobby Marqueso, an ex -cop and
psychic medium.

And together, we aim to have a
conversation with a serial killer.

Chase was a scary character.

Chase was sick. He was mentally ill. He
was delusional.

He killed women, men. He killed children
and drank their blood.

I can already feel spirits watching us.
It's like poking a mad dog through a

fence. There could be an uprising of
spirits, and Chase could join in to

Who's in here?

Half EPP.

That's like he's walking right up to the
recorder going... His mind is just so

gone. Did you hear an audible voice
there?

No.

This isn't human.

Richard Trenton Chase was one of modern
America's most twisted killers.

Known as the Vampire of Sacramento, this
deranged monster led a bloody rampage

through the streets of the Californian
state capitol, slaughtering without

inhibition as he went.

This barbaric bloodbath claimed six
victims and terrorized a community.

Unlike other serial killers, Chase
didn't discriminate when he chose who

die. He killed men, women, and children,
defiling their bodies and drinking

their blood.

A classic example of a disorganized
serial killer, Chase left as much

as he could around his home and the
crime scenes.

Nearly 30 years after his crimes, would
he be so willing to make his presence

felt? Or would he be lurking in the
shadows as we attempt to conduct an

interview with a vampire?

We were venturing into a world of
incomprehensible evil.

This would be our darkest journey yet.

If there's a spirit of Richard Trenton
Chase, he would clearly be a spirit that

is confused, distressed, and agitated in
the same way that he was in life.

Our paranormal investigation will take
us to a theater that was once a derelict

drug den, to Preston Castle, once a
correctional facility for boys.

also believed to be one of the most
haunted buildings in California.

Finally, we'll hold a seance in a bar
where Chase had always wanted to belong.

Calculated killer or deranged madman,
what drove this man's insatiable

bloodlust? We were in pursuit of answers
from the other side as we attempted to

conduct a conversation with a serial
killer.

January 1978 was a black month for the
historic city of Sacramento.

Chase's series of brutal and seemingly
motiveless murders held the city in the

grip of fear.

Chase stopped the suburban streets
around his apartment on Watts Avenue. He

picked his victims at random and shot
them at point -blank range before

mutilating their bodies in a bizarre and
deluded quest to preserve his own life.

He thought that his stomach was turned
around. He thought his heart was

shrinking. I think there was one time
even he thought someone was trying to

steal his brain.

Chase also believed that he was being
persecuted by Nazis.

He doesn't have a victim type.

He simply needs blood.

So it doesn't matter where it's from.

Chase's final victim was himself.

In 1980, whilst on death row, he
committed suicide.

His death left a lot of unanswered
questions.

But would our paranormal investigation
bring any fresh information from beyond

the grave?

I wanted to begin our investigation by
getting a first -hand account of the

case. Ray Biondi was the lead detective
in the Chase murders.

Years later, he wrote a book about the
investigation.

Can you recollect for us what it was
like when the Chase murders began?

What time had just been in homicide for
two years?

And the first scene was kind of a usual
type of murder in a way because it was a

drive -by shooting. Not too long after
that, we had the Teresa Wallen murder.

And we knew then that we were really
dealing with somebody very deranged, we

thought, or a very brutal killer.

Did you think that the two were
connected?

We thought maybe they were connected,
but they were two totally different type

of scenes.

And things that obviously got worse
after the Wallen murder. I mean, there

yet another murder scene. What happened
at that one?

It was later that week that we got a
call to the Maroth residence on

Marywood Drive.

And there we had an even more horrific
scene.

Inside the residence, Mrs. Maroth was
murdered.

Her friend was murdered.

Her five -year -old son was murdered.
And the baby, her nephew that she was

babysitting was also murdered, but
missing.

Now we had these two horrific murders in
one week.

What kind of person did you think you
were dealing with? Well, we definitely

knew we were dealing with a psychopath.

You know, he had really no regard for
human life.

And we didn't know where he was going to
pick his victims again.

So it's not the kind of person you can
defend yourself against.

He'd walk up to your door and kill you.

There's not going to be a fight.

There's not going to be a negotiation.

You're going to simply die.

Was he by far the worst criminal,
though, that you had a chance to

If he had to draw a sketch of what a
violent killer would look like, it'd

to be Rachel Chase. I mean, how many
times do you arrest somebody that has

cape?

It was clear we were dealing with a
deranged, deluded psychopath, a drug

grim reaper with no respect for human
life.

I can almost place Richard Chase.

Is there anybody here?

Oh, huge wave, huge wave.

I'm feeling it really strongly now.
There's a shadow over the corner. I'm

to see what that might have been.

Richard Trenton Chase was nicknamed the
Vampire of Sacramento because he drank

his victims' blood and cannibalized
their remains.

The full extent of Chase's depraved
desires were evident as early as

when he began to capture, kill and
disembowel various animals, which he

then devour raw.

In his effort to self -medicate, if you
will, he would go around the

neighborhood and pick up people's pets
and kill them for their blood. And on

occasion, he caught a rabbit and he took
the blood from the rabbit and tried to

eject it in himself, again as a
restorative, but he got sick.

On August the 3rd, 1977, police officers
found Cases Ford Rand Farrell.

stuck in sand near Pyramid Lake in
Nevada.

Two rifles lay on the seat along with a
pile of men's clothes, but their

grimmest discovery came when they opened
the boot.

Inside there was some blood and there
was a bucket that appeared to have a

inside of it.

They looked around and they saw him
covered in blood.

Hey!

They caught him, and they questioned
him, and he said that the blood was his

because it was leaking out of him, and
he said the liver was a cow's liver, and

so they didn't go any further with it.

It was becoming clear that Chase was
severely mentally ill, a situation

exasperated by his predilection for
drugs such as LSD and marijuana.

I don't know.

As a young man growing up in Sacramento,
there was one particular place that he

and the other local delinquents went.

Bobby, I've brought you here to the
Woodland Opera House for the first stop

our paranormal investigation.

Richard Trenton Chase also used to come
here, supposedly with other groups of

young kids to take lots of
hallucinogenic drugs. And we also know

the start of his descent into...

problems with mental health. Definitely
it's a worthwhile investigation, I

think, to find out if this is a pivotal
point for him, you know, to see if this

is where he kind of started anticipating
doing what he did. So, check it out.

Okay.

Today, the Opera House has been fully
restored to its former glory, and it's

used as a theater, but many believe it's
more than just actors who tread the

board.

All theaters are supposed to be haunted.

This place, as far as I'm concerned,
deserves to be haunted.

Staff at the Opera House all tell tales
of strange encounters with the

supernatural.

It's just strange, just knowing that
there's somebody else there that you

see. You're not sure who it is. There
have been sightings in the auditorium.

Right underneath the balcony right
there, I looked up. It was very bright.

Very defined cloud.

And I'm looking at it and I'm thinking,
oh my gosh, there's something right

there. And I look back up, gone.

There's been activity reported on the
stage.

It felt like there was something else
there that was almost like I was being

watched.

But it's the basement that's the
epicenter of the reported paranormal

When the wardrobe people were working in
the basement on sewing machines and

they'd thread the machines, turn around
to cut something and then come back and

the thread would be out. They'd rethread
it and they'd go back and come back and

be out. Now that is kind of mysterious.

It's started to get dark outside, Bobby,
and obviously we've come inside the

Opera House to get started with the
investigation.

But as we know, for decades, from 1913
till 1971, this place was desolate. The

sort of people that came here were
people who wanted to get up to no good.

wonder whether there's almost an imprint
of those.

decades or some of those times that
maybe we can sort of pick up on. Sure,

course. The challenge will be to get
into that building of the past and

to resonate with some of the energies of
the present day and separate the two to

find some of the answers we're looking
for. And what about Richard Trent and

Chase? Do you think it's possible that
Chase might choose to hang out here?

Yeah, I think it's always a huge
possibility anywhere we go that has to

him, that he would come through and make
himself known that he's kind of

watching what we're doing.

Some of the first things that are coming
through is people just laying around.

It's almost like I'm getting images of
the old opium dens.

where people are just so wasted and so
drugged out of their mind that they

ever come out of it. And I can almost
place Richard Chase.

I'm getting pressure change in my ear
just now as I said that.

Could this have been a starting point
that led down a treacherous, toxic path?

And I think yes.

Hello?

Is there anybody here?

Oh, huge wave, huge wave.

I'm moving back and forth because I
think I saw a shadow over in the corner.

trying to see what that might have been.

Hello?

Who's here?

it's psychically or audibly I'm not
hearing piano so it must be psychically

so

all those

noises and so on they seem to be focused
in this area here hello

I'm feeling it really strong right now.
I've got the chills going through my

body. I'm seeing a seamstress is set up
here. And we know for a fact that the

seamstresses here have experienced weird
happenings. That's right.

Needles that were threaded become
unthreaded. And I stopped here because I

that chill.

Those

hangers

are moving.

I see that. And there's no draft down
here.

Is this the female energy that you said?
Yeah, it's like a little older female.

Can you move these hangers or just make
some kind of a sign so that I know that

you're here?

What is she moving the hangers for?

Just energy in a way to make herself
known, which is what we've asked for.

Like the psychics before him, Bobby
seemed to believe that something lurked

the basement of the opera house.

Certainly the coat hangers were swaying
on command, but I couldn't discount the

possibility that we'd created a gust of
wind.

As for Richard, Trent and Chase, Bobby
felt a trace of his energy.

But there was nothing conclusive to
suggest that we'd come into contact with

him.

Woodlands Opera House, that was a
fascinating place, wasn't it? It was

historical. I love walking into places
like that, especially when it has a

really, really good energy, like when it
did. Of course, we got in a little bit

of the past energy when it was used as a
drug den, but I think...

A lot of that's really gone.

We were getting lots of responses,
weren't we?

Knocks, etc.

Did we get anything more concrete when
you looked back at things?

The hangers.

What's interesting about that is that
there were several hangers in a row.

If all of them were moving, you could
probably see a breeze or somebody

up against them, but they were moving
quite good. And then I did take a few

pictures and got a few more.

This is back up by the wall here.

Almost as if something's sitting on the
seat with the... Right. Just above hair

level. Yeah. What makes that different
is it's not the classic round orb that

could be mistaken for dust. It's more of
like a light that's back there.

As far as Richard's face was concerned,
he very much felt that there was sort of

place memory associated to him from
when.

The theatre was derelict and it was used
as a drug tent.

What I would really like to get,

and I'm sure you would too, when we go
to our next part of the investigation,

something much stronger, something much
more physical from him.

Yeah, it's really time to try to get
into his psyche.

And what I want to find out is if he was
on drugs during the killing or if the

drugs had completely altered his mind
permanently that he was going through

same type of feeling even while he was
torturing and terrorizing these people.

The next stage of our investigation was
to walk in Chase's gruesome steps.

where Chase first advanced from animal
abuser and fetish burglar to murderer.

So Paul just set the scene for us as to
what Ambrose Griffin was actually doing

at the time he was shot.

Okay, he was getting out of his car and
he was carrying some groceries into the

house and Richard Tritton Chase was
coming down the street and he pulled out

.22 rifle.

pointed it at him, and shot him.

The total randomness is confusing
because I can see where he pulled up. He

actually pulled his car over. He had to
take aim.

And he pulled up just on this side of
the driveway.

But the feeling I'm getting is
completely different than what we've

before. If I didn't know any better, I
would have to say this was somebody else

because there's no motive. It's not like
he was going to kill him so that he

could go in and do some of the terrible
things that he did to other victims.

Certainly the way that the police
rationalized it was that they simply

that it was a thrill kill, a drive -by
shooting, and that there would be no

to come. But they know, of course, that
a man who lived just up the road would

do terrible things on his doorstep.

Richard Trenton Chase wouldn't kill
again for another three weeks, only a

blocks from Robertson Avenue.

Oh, my God!

It's in this location, Paul, that
things...

It started to become quite brutal.

Tell us what actually took place here.

Teresa Wallen, unfortunately, on that
day of her murder, had her door

And he walked in, shot her three times.
She was three months pregnant.

And after she died, he had sex with the
corpse.

And then he ate parts of her body and
bathed it in her blood.

It feels so animal -like.

just completely off the charts. I mean,
I can see him zigzagging across the

street, and he chose this one.

If I'm understanding you correctly, then
he was calculated about coming here and

killing three people. This part seems
premeditated, yeah.

His final rampage was perhaps the most
thickening.

Four days later, a mile away on Marywood
Drive.

Here at Marywood Drive is where Richard
Trayton Chase found four of his victims.

A woman by the name Evelyn Myroth, her
nephew, her son, and a friend

named Danny Meredith.

He walked into this home, the door was
unlocked, and he killed all four of

Bobby, is there anything that you sense?

standing here next to the residence.

You know, I can see him staking out, and
of course it would make sense for him

to be back behind this wall and looking
at the house, you know, but I see him

more squatting down like this.

I think the most interesting thing for
me that we've been able to ascertain

the different crime scenes is this level
of calculatedness. I mean, to crouch

behind the wall.

To look at a house, to try the doors, it
still means that you mean to do

something. Right.

He drove the few blocks back to his
apartment on Watt Avenue and dumped the

in the parking lot of the Sandpiper's
neighboring apartment block.

According to what he said, he beheaded
the child.

Apparently he did cannibalize and drink
blood from the child.

Then he put the child into a box and
left it by a church.

But the net was closing in on Richard
Trenton Chase.

I wanted to talk to Wayne Irie. He was
one of the arresting officers in a case

that has haunted him his entire career.

Of all the cases that you've worked on,
Wayne, as far as homicide is concerned,

has this one affected you the most?

Yes, and I will be very honest with you
that if I would have found a baby...

I was going to kill Chase.

He was right here.

Did he struggle?

Oh, he struggled. He had his gun on. I
had my gun. I pulled it out. I put it in

his ear.

And that's when he realized we aren't
like them.

It's obviously something that stayed
with you. I know it's like 30 years ago,

but I mean, I feel emotional sitting
next to you talking about it. That's

probably the most emotional case I've
ever heard in my career.

I learned what fear looked like.

Emotions were already running high in
our investigation into Richard Trent and

Chase. And what would happen next would
be incredible.

It all started here.

Richard, we want to talk to you.

We have EPP.

Did you hear a notable voice there?

Who's up there?

This isn't human.

Richard Trenton Chase's barbaric murder
spree in late 70s California was the

culmination of a life marked with
bizarre behavior, deviant conduct, and

acts of violence.

Chase had been committed to a number of
mental health institutions throughout

his adolescence, but unfortunately for
his victims, was released to kill and

kill again.

Perhaps after death he would linger at a
place where he should have stayed in

life. Built in 1890, Preston Castle had
been both a reformed school and a mental

asylum and is rife with paranormal
activity.

So Bobby, this rather imposing building
is Preston Castle.

It's amazing. It's incredible, isn't it?
It's just so immovable.

It's crazy.

Interestingly enough, what went on
behind these walls has been the subject

quite a few paranormal investigations,
and there are said to be plenty of

spirits, and not very nice ones at that.
I can already feel people at the

windows, spirits watching us.

The modern world has left the castle
behind.

Abandoned in 1960, its corridors and
rooms no longer resound to the footsteps

a hundred juvenile delinquents.

Now only an army of spiders and rodents
patrol the dilapidated hallways.

But some believe that it still retains
some far darker tenants.

We were joined in our investigation by
Shannon McCabe of HPI Paranormal, a

hunting organization based in
Sacramento.

Preston Castle is an incredible place.
It feels haunted.

My psychic thinks that it's haunted and
I truly believe that we're going to find

something tonight.

Our investigation would be spread over
three floors of the crumbling building.

The first floor where the boys'
dormitories would have been.

The ground floor where the infirmary
once stood.

And the basement where a lot of the
paranormal activity in the castle has

centered.

particularly in the shower area and the
kitchen.

So, Bobby, you've got the usual box of
tricks.

Right. We're going to be using them here
at the castle. Yeah.

Very little places where there's
electricity running, so we're going to

K2 meter. We're going to use the voice
recorder, see if we can't capture them.

Our downfall is that some of these doors
and windows are open, leading directly

to the outside.

Is there anywhere that...

You've looked at that you think we
really need to focus on?

Directly above us, I think, is like an
infirmary where there's some beds.

I started really getting hit with some
heavy place memory. So I want to

definitely check that out. I want to go
back down to in the basement level

there.

Just some areas where the pool.

Yeah, just by looking at that, it
invokes a certain memory. Yeah, a lot of

that took place. You know, there's a lot
of fear in this place anyway.

Now, as far as Richard Chase is
concerned, we know that during the

investigation, Chase would tell
detectives that if he went up to a door

was locked, he believed he wasn't
welcome.

But if it was open, it was a different
story.

Now, to me, you can't get more open than
this. Do you think that's something

that we're going to need to keep in
mind?

Up front, more who we're going to need
to worry about are the residents that

were here.

It's like poking a mad dog through a
fence.

And I think that if they become
aggravated...

that there could be an uprising of
spirits and Chase could join into that.

As the day's searing temperature
dropped, so did the refuge of daylight.

As the sun drained from the Californian
sky, the castle took on a far more

ominous feel.

Whilst we prepared to investigate the
basement, Shannon and her paranormal

set their equipment far away from us on
the third floor in the vast room that

was once the boys' dormitory.

We've actually been sitting here trying
to get some EVPs and we have our hearing

devices and we actually both heard a
whistle. We need to confirm if there was

anybody whistling downstairs, but it was
a very faint...

Can you tell us your name and why you're
here?

So Bobby, where do you want to start at?

Well, let's just walk around here. I
want to see if we come across any

and then just kind of start working from
there.

Definitely somebody's following us
around immediately.

Some horrible and negative emotions
here.

This was a shower area.

And the guard would stand over there and
watch.

And I could just see the scared
individual that just arrived.

He's just shaking.

He's just very, very scared.

Hello?

I think we have our first spirit.

Hello?

Can you just talk to me for just a
second?

Tell me who you are.

Look at that.

I felt something touch my leg, and the
things lighten up like crazy.

So we've had the electricity switched
off, Bobby, so we can discount those

of ripples. I feel like we didn't get in
there or anything to do with... And

again, we're standing in the middle of
our room.

Did you hear that?

Mm -hmm.

I thought I saw a huddled figure like
this and then go right around the

It was just a real brief flash.

Where? Way down the hallway.

Hello?

That sounded to me like a chair.

Hang on just a second.

Who's in here?

Is there any type of energy or presence
in here that wants to make itself known?

Hello?

Oh, yeah.

There's some strong, strong vibes coming
from here.

Who's in here?

Getting a really cold draft.

Are you getting anything?

I'm getting the sound of footsteps right
out there.

Is he here?

No.

All right, hang on.

Hello?

Bobby?

Bobby?

Hey.

What? I was just standing very silently
and it was kind of like, well, I suppose

like shuffling. Well, there's definitely
some spirit energy down here. It's a

very dark, sinister type of energy.

They're just hanging out in the corners,
kind of huddling back over in the

darkest shadows.

I saw some shadows down there.

Did you guys just hear that?

Like a... Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm hearing things.

I just heard it's coming from over
there.

Richard.

Richard, come out and talk to me.

I actually want to speak with you. I'd
love to have a conversation with you.

Get inside your head and find out why
you did those grisly things you did.

I'm hearing a chain.

Give me a sign that you're here with us.

Tap on a wall.

Tap on a wall like that, Richard.

We have EVPs.

We heard it four times. We have four
EVPs of this thing calling us whores.

That's what it sounded like. I was
standing right there and then I heard it

twice. Whores.

Whores.

HPI Paranormal wanted us to hear their
EVP.

An EVP is an electronic voice phenomena
believed by paranormal investigators to

be a method of spirit communication.

You have that EVP.

Yes, I do.

Jesus Christ.

Wow, like over... No, actually three
times.

Play it again.

Shit.

That's like he's walking right up to the
recorder going...

Bobby had already warned us of the many
noises at the castle that could be

misconstrued as EVP, but the sound was
clearly audible.

Could this be a voice from the other
side, or just the random noises from a

disused building?

Whatever it was, it seemed something was
stirring in the castle, so we joined

forces with Shannon to see if we could
bring the spirit of Chase forward.

Now this is a place where as soon as I
came in, I saw everybody

sitting on the floor. Richard Chase
being over -medicated and almost found

addiction. It all started here.

Richard, we want to talk to you.

I think you're a coward.

You know what else I think?

I think you're a sick man.

Don't be a scared little mama's boy,
Richard. You get over here.

What was that?

You're talking.

You over here, Richard?

He's saying you, bitch.

Richard, did you just call me a bitch?

He's laughing.

Richard, you better say something in
this recorder.

He's gone.

Gone?

I don't know where he's at.

That is the closest and in touch with
him. I'm convinced that that was him

standing there, yeah.

Bobby and Shannon seemed convinced that
they'd made contact with the killer.

If that was true, and I wasn't sure it
was, I needed something more concrete,

we split up. Shannon and I went back to
the basement, and Bobby investigated

alone.

Hello?

I'm coming in.

Who's here?

Ah, shit.

Hello?

You can't scare me. Who are you?

Richard, you better tell me what drugs
you were on when you committed those

disgusting murders.

Yeah, I thought I heard something down
at the end of the hall there.

I heard something and I felt like it
came right through this area.

Kind of a footstep type, but not quite
so loud.

Someone in here with us?

I heard you make a noise now. I'd like
you to come out and do that noise again

for me.

Did you hear an audible voice there?

It sounded like the same voice as
before.

I heard an audible voice there. I
absolutely did.

I'm getting a bit of the classic rubbish
feeling in here.

We're leaving.

Was it just the dark and malevolent
atmosphere of the building playing

with me? I truly believed I'd heard a
voice.

But what I heard was nothing compared to
the noise.

Bobby was about to be confronted with.
Hello?

What

the

hell is that?

I have no idea what that is.

The castle is unconnected to any mains
pipe.

The sound was extraordinary.

Who is that?

Who's up there? Make that noise again.

Who's doing that?

This isn't human.

If the events at the castle were to be
believed, then this was our most

paranormally active investigation yet.

We came up with lots of very strange
things there and possibly for the first

time I found myself questioning quite a
lot in there because you couldn't help

but be affected. The old metal bed, the
vast empty basement.

So definitely, I'm sure we could have
been affected by what was going on in

head. But then technically, we had an
awful lot of very strong evidence, which

is quite unusual.

So, yeah, Preston Castle was certainly
sticking my mind, I think.

We were nearing the end of our journey,
and I, for one, was feeling troubled and

affected by this gruesome killer.

But I had no idea just how involved I'd
become.

His mind is just so gone.

Richard, we know you're standing here
with us. I just felt a draft by her

I have to get off the table, I'm sorry.

Our paranormal quest to track down the
spirit of serial killer Richard Trenton

Chase was reaching its conclusion.

Chase was a deranged killer who in one
black month in 1978 terrorized a

suburban neighborhood of Sacramento and
slaughtered six people.

Our final attempt to have a conversation
with Chase was a seance in a bar in the

Old Town district of Sacramento.

Bobby, we've arrived at the location for
the seance, which is a basement

nightclub called Vegas. And we know for
a fact that Richard Chase came here. So

I think this is going to give us yet
another clue in the Richard Chase story.

Definitely, I think that we're going to
start getting some more answers from

him. And it was called Old Sacramento
where we're at. This is like a psychic

death pool. And we have to kind of deal
with some of the negative energies that

might be here, focus on Richard Chase.

But I'm pretty confident that we're
going to be able to get into his mind,

him forward, and get answers to a lot of
the questions that we've been asking.

We were joined at the seance by Shannon
McCabe and members of her paranormal

team.

There's so much paranormal activity in
Old Sacramento. It's actually a hotbed

for paranormal activity, and I would not
doubt that this place is incredibly

haunted.

Whilst they set up their equipment,
Bobby focused his mind on Richard, Trent

Chase. Last night we had a pretty strong
connection with Chase and I think that

he might be on to us and might want to
follow us wherever we're going. I think

that he's messing with us and he wants
everything that we're going to give him.

So I'm feeling pretty confident that
he's going to come and appear tonight

us.

Tonight we're here.

to contact Richard Trenton Chase.

And so what I'd like you guys to do is
concentrate on your breathing, center

yourself, clear your mind.

Richard Trenton Chase, we are here to
talk to you again.

We want you to come through and speak
with us tonight.

We did not welcome you in life.

but we want you to manifest and speak
with us.

I feel that he's here.

He just moved up in between these guys.

He was standing over there in the corner
by the beam, and he just now moved up

in between you two.

Richard, we know you're standing here
with us.

I want you to walk over to this table,
and I want you to blow out this candle.

I just felt a draft by your hand.

Really? Richard, you're behind me,
aren't you?

You are not allowed to hurt anyone in
this room.

You guys, I have to get out from the
table. I'm sorry.

Okay.

I feel really nauseous. I'm sorry. I
can't sit there.

Richard?

You are not allowed to hurt anyone in
this room. I told you that.

I've just come outside from the sale.

I was sitting at the table and I started
to feel...

I was sitting at the table and the only
word I

can use to describe it is that I felt
very affected and I'm not prepared to

there and put myself through that
knowing what happened all those years

going to head back inside.

So let's just get into the questions
before he really starts drawing out even

more. What I'm trying to understand is
how a man can kill a 22 -month -old

baby and drink the blood and eat the
intestine.

What was he thinking when he did that?

There's no more emotional value to that
than you would sitting down to a steak

dinner.

There's no remorse.

There's no emotion to it. It was just

efficient.

His mind is just so gone.

Richard, you know that I mean business.
You and I spoke last night and you were

messing with me then.

You are not allowed to mess with me
tonight.

He says he can taste you.

You wish he could drink my blood, but I
will never let you.

It almost seems like you, how he
describes you, is like an iron bitch.

He's standing right here.

Candle will help.

I feel like he's fucking everything out
of me. He's really trying.

I feel like he's just pushing down on me
and I feel so incredibly heavy and out

of breath.

We're going to need to break this off
pretty quick here.

Okay. Just because, I mean, he's
starting to mess with us like that, and

not cool.

The seance was over, and I, for one, was
glad.

It's just a very, very odd sensation. I
mean, it's quite difficult to describe,

but physically speaking, my heart rate
started to rise.

I suppose almost like you're going to
have a panic attack, something like

It felt wicked.

It felt evil.

I actually have been through many, many
seances.

And the first time that I actually had a
physical feeling in my body from

something evil.

Our investigation had come to an end.

Bobby felt sure that Chase was more than
just a madman, incapable of controlling

his demonic urges. He'd picked up on the
sense that Chase was a premeditated

killer who stalks his victims.

In the cold light of day, I was
struggling with my objectivity.

I'd heard voices from the shadows.

Did you hear an audible voice there? And
felt physically sick.

I felt very affected.

It was probably all in my mind. Or was
it Richard Trenton Chase?

The jury is still out.