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If serial killers could speak from beyond the grave, would they be willing

talk to us?

My name is Julie MacDonald. I'm an investigative journalist.

And I'm Bobby Marqueso, an ex -cop and psychic medium.

And together, we aim to have a conversation with a serial killer.

Chase was a scary character.

Chase was sick. He was mentally ill. He was delusional.

He killed women, men. He killed children and drank their blood.

I can already feel spirits watching us. It's like poking a mad dog through a

fence. There could be an uprising of spirits, and Chase could join in to

Who's in here?

Half EPP.

That's like he's walking right up to the recorder going... His mind is just so

gone. Did you hear an audible voice there?

No.

This isn't human.

Richard Trenton Chase was one of modern America's most twisted killers.

Known as the Vampire of Sacramento, this deranged monster led a bloody rampage

through the streets of the Californian state capitol, slaughtering without

inhibition as he went.

This barbaric bloodbath claimed six victims and terrorized a community.

Unlike other serial killers, Chase didn't discriminate when he chose who

die. He killed men, women, and children, defiling their bodies and drinking

their blood.

A classic example of a disorganized serial killer, Chase left as much

as he could around his home and the crime scenes.

Nearly 30 years after his crimes, would he be so willing to make his presence

felt? Or would he be lurking in the shadows as we attempt to conduct an

interview with a vampire?

We were venturing into a world of incomprehensible evil.

This would be our darkest journey yet.

If there's a spirit of Richard Trenton Chase, he would clearly be a spirit that

is confused, distressed, and agitated in the same way that he was in life.

Our paranormal investigation will take us to a theater that was once a derelict

drug den, to Preston Castle, once a correctional facility for boys.

also believed to be one of the most haunted buildings in California.

Finally, we'll hold a seance in a bar where Chase had always wanted to belong.

Calculated killer or deranged madman, what drove this man's insatiable

bloodlust? We were in pursuit of answers from the other side as we attempted to

conduct a conversation with a serial killer.

January 1978 was a black month for the historic city of Sacramento.

Chase's series of brutal and seemingly motiveless murders held the city in the

grip of fear.

Chase stopped the suburban streets around his apartment on Watts Avenue. He

picked his victims at random and shot them at point -blank range before

mutilating their bodies in a bizarre and deluded quest to preserve his own life.

He thought that his stomach was turned around. He thought his heart was

shrinking. I think there was one time even he thought someone was trying to

steal his brain.

Chase also believed that he was being persecuted by Nazis.

He doesn't have a victim type.

He simply needs blood.

So it doesn't matter where it's from.

Chase's final victim was himself.

In 1980, whilst on death row, he committed suicide.

His death left a lot of unanswered questions.

But would our paranormal investigation bring any fresh information from beyond

the grave?

I wanted to begin our investigation by getting a first -hand account of the

case. Ray Biondi was the lead detective in the Chase murders.

Years later, he wrote a book about the investigation.

Can you recollect for us what it was like when the Chase murders began?

What time had just been in homicide for two years?

And the first scene was kind of a usual type of murder in a way because it was a

drive -by shooting. Not too long after that, we had the Teresa Wallen murder.

And we knew then that we were really dealing with somebody very deranged, we

thought, or a very brutal killer.

Did you think that the two were connected?

We thought maybe they were connected, but they were two totally different type

of scenes.

And things that obviously got worse after the Wallen murder. I mean, there

yet another murder scene. What happened at that one?

It was later that week that we got a call to the Maroth residence on

Marywood Drive.

And there we had an even more horrific scene.

Inside the residence, Mrs. Maroth was murdered.

Her friend was murdered.

Her five -year -old son was murdered. And the baby, her nephew that she was

babysitting was also murdered, but missing.

Now we had these two horrific murders in one week.

What kind of person did you think you were dealing with? Well, we definitely

knew we were dealing with a psychopath.

You know, he had really no regard for human life.

And we didn't know where he was going to pick his victims again.

So it's not the kind of person you can defend yourself against.

He'd walk up to your door and kill you.

There's not going to be a fight.

There's not going to be a negotiation.

You're going to simply die.

Was he by far the worst criminal, though, that you had a chance to

If he had to draw a sketch of what a violent killer would look like, it'd

to be Rachel Chase. I mean, how many times do you arrest somebody that has

cape?

It was clear we were dealing with a deranged, deluded psychopath, a drug

grim reaper with no respect for human life.

I can almost place Richard Chase.

Is there anybody here?

Oh, huge wave, huge wave.

I'm feeling it really strongly now. There's a shadow over the corner. I'm

to see what that might have been.

Richard Trenton Chase was nicknamed the Vampire of Sacramento because he drank

his victims' blood and cannibalized their remains.

The full extent of Chase's depraved desires were evident as early as

when he began to capture, kill and disembowel various animals, which he

then devour raw.

In his effort to self -medicate, if you will, he would go around the

neighborhood and pick up people's pets and kill them for their blood. And on

occasion, he caught a rabbit and he took the blood from the rabbit and tried to

eject it in himself, again as a restorative, but he got sick.

On August the 3rd, 1977, police officers found Cases Ford Rand Farrell.

stuck in sand near Pyramid Lake in Nevada.

Two rifles lay on the seat along with a pile of men's clothes, but their

grimmest discovery came when they opened the boot.

Inside there was some blood and there was a bucket that appeared to have a

inside of it.

They looked around and they saw him covered in blood.

Hey!

They caught him, and they questioned him, and he said that the blood was his

because it was leaking out of him, and he said the liver was a cow's liver, and

so they didn't go any further with it.

It was becoming clear that Chase was severely mentally ill, a situation

exasperated by his predilection for drugs such as LSD and marijuana.

I don't know.

As a young man growing up in Sacramento, there was one particular place that he

and the other local delinquents went.

Bobby, I've brought you here to the Woodland Opera House for the first stop

our paranormal investigation.

Richard Trenton Chase also used to come here, supposedly with other groups of

young kids to take lots of hallucinogenic drugs. And we also know

the start of his descent into...

problems with mental health. Definitely it's a worthwhile investigation, I

think, to find out if this is a pivotal point for him, you know, to see if this

is where he kind of started anticipating doing what he did. So, check it out.

Okay.

Today, the Opera House has been fully restored to its former glory, and it's

used as a theater, but many believe it's more than just actors who tread the

board.

All theaters are supposed to be haunted.

This place, as far as I'm concerned, deserves to be haunted.

Staff at the Opera House all tell tales of strange encounters with the

supernatural.

It's just strange, just knowing that there's somebody else there that you

see. You're not sure who it is. There have been sightings in the auditorium.

Right underneath the balcony right there, I looked up. It was very bright.

Very defined cloud.

And I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, there's something right

there. And I look back up, gone.

There's been activity reported on the stage.

It felt like there was something else there that was almost like I was being

watched.

But it's the basement that's the epicenter of the reported paranormal

When the wardrobe people were working in the basement on sewing machines and

they'd thread the machines, turn around to cut something and then come back and

the thread would be out. They'd rethread it and they'd go back and come back and

be out. Now that is kind of mysterious.

It's started to get dark outside, Bobby, and obviously we've come inside the

Opera House to get started with the investigation.

But as we know, for decades, from 1913 till 1971, this place was desolate. The

sort of people that came here were people who wanted to get up to no good.

wonder whether there's almost an imprint of those.

decades or some of those times that maybe we can sort of pick up on. Sure,

course. The challenge will be to get into that building of the past and

to resonate with some of the energies of the present day and separate the two to

find some of the answers we're looking for. And what about Richard Trent and

Chase? Do you think it's possible that Chase might choose to hang out here?

Yeah, I think it's always a huge possibility anywhere we go that has to

him, that he would come through and make himself known that he's kind of

watching what we're doing.

Some of the first things that are coming through is people just laying around.

It's almost like I'm getting images of the old opium dens.

where people are just so wasted and so drugged out of their mind that they

ever come out of it. And I can almost place Richard Chase.

I'm getting pressure change in my ear just now as I said that.

Could this have been a starting point that led down a treacherous, toxic path?

And I think yes.

Hello?

Is there anybody here?

Oh, huge wave, huge wave.

I'm moving back and forth because I think I saw a shadow over in the corner.

trying to see what that might have been.

Hello?

Who's here?

it's psychically or audibly I'm not hearing piano so it must be psychically

so

all those

noises and so on they seem to be focused in this area here hello

I'm feeling it really strong right now. I've got the chills going through my

body. I'm seeing a seamstress is set up here. And we know for a fact that the

seamstresses here have experienced weird happenings. That's right.

Needles that were threaded become unthreaded. And I stopped here because I

that chill.

Those

hangers

are moving.

I see that. And there's no draft down here.

Is this the female energy that you said? Yeah, it's like a little older female.

Can you move these hangers or just make some kind of a sign so that I know that

you're here?

What is she moving the hangers for?

Just energy in a way to make herself known, which is what we've asked for.

Like the psychics before him, Bobby seemed to believe that something lurked

the basement of the opera house.

Certainly the coat hangers were swaying on command, but I couldn't discount the

possibility that we'd created a gust of wind.

As for Richard, Trent and Chase, Bobby felt a trace of his energy.

But there was nothing conclusive to suggest that we'd come into contact with

him.

Woodlands Opera House, that was a fascinating place, wasn't it? It was

historical. I love walking into places like that, especially when it has a

really, really good energy, like when it did. Of course, we got in a little bit

of the past energy when it was used as a drug den, but I think...

A lot of that's really gone.

We were getting lots of responses, weren't we?

Knocks, etc.

Did we get anything more concrete when you looked back at things?

The hangers.

What's interesting about that is that there were several hangers in a row.

If all of them were moving, you could probably see a breeze or somebody

up against them, but they were moving quite good. And then I did take a few

pictures and got a few more.

This is back up by the wall here.

Almost as if something's sitting on the seat with the... Right. Just above hair

level. Yeah. What makes that different is it's not the classic round orb that

could be mistaken for dust. It's more of like a light that's back there.

As far as Richard's face was concerned, he very much felt that there was sort of

place memory associated to him from when.

The theatre was derelict and it was used as a drug tent.

What I would really like to get,

and I'm sure you would too, when we go to our next part of the investigation,

something much stronger, something much more physical from him.

Yeah, it's really time to try to get into his psyche.

And what I want to find out is if he was on drugs during the killing or if the

drugs had completely altered his mind permanently that he was going through

same type of feeling even while he was torturing and terrorizing these people.

The next stage of our investigation was to walk in Chase's gruesome steps.

where Chase first advanced from animal abuser and fetish burglar to murderer.

So Paul just set the scene for us as to what Ambrose Griffin was actually doing

at the time he was shot.

Okay, he was getting out of his car and he was carrying some groceries into the

house and Richard Tritton Chase was coming down the street and he pulled out

.22 rifle.

pointed it at him, and shot him.

The total randomness is confusing because I can see where he pulled up. He

actually pulled his car over. He had to take aim.

And he pulled up just on this side of the driveway.

But the feeling I'm getting is completely different than what we've

before. If I didn't know any better, I would have to say this was somebody else

because there's no motive. It's not like he was going to kill him so that he

could go in and do some of the terrible things that he did to other victims.

Certainly the way that the police rationalized it was that they simply

that it was a thrill kill, a drive -by shooting, and that there would be no

to come. But they know, of course, that a man who lived just up the road would

do terrible things on his doorstep.

Richard Trenton Chase wouldn't kill again for another three weeks, only a

blocks from Robertson Avenue.

Oh, my God!

It's in this location, Paul, that things...

It started to become quite brutal.

Tell us what actually took place here.

Teresa Wallen, unfortunately, on that day of her murder, had her door

And he walked in, shot her three times. She was three months pregnant.

And after she died, he had sex with the corpse.

And then he ate parts of her body and bathed it in her blood.

It feels so animal -like.

just completely off the charts. I mean, I can see him zigzagging across the

street, and he chose this one.

If I'm understanding you correctly, then he was calculated about coming here and

killing three people. This part seems premeditated, yeah.

His final rampage was perhaps the most thickening.

Four days later, a mile away on Marywood Drive.

Here at Marywood Drive is where Richard Trayton Chase found four of his victims.

A woman by the name Evelyn Myroth, her nephew, her son, and a friend

named Danny Meredith.

He walked into this home, the door was unlocked, and he killed all four of

Bobby, is there anything that you sense?

standing here next to the residence.

You know, I can see him staking out, and of course it would make sense for him

to be back behind this wall and looking at the house, you know, but I see him

more squatting down like this.

I think the most interesting thing for me that we've been able to ascertain

the different crime scenes is this level of calculatedness. I mean, to crouch

behind the wall.

To look at a house, to try the doors, it still means that you mean to do

something. Right.

He drove the few blocks back to his apartment on Watt Avenue and dumped the

in the parking lot of the Sandpiper's neighboring apartment block.

According to what he said, he beheaded the child.

Apparently he did cannibalize and drink blood from the child.

Then he put the child into a box and left it by a church.

But the net was closing in on Richard Trenton Chase.

I wanted to talk to Wayne Irie. He was one of the arresting officers in a case

that has haunted him his entire career.

Of all the cases that you've worked on, Wayne, as far as homicide is concerned,

has this one affected you the most?

Yes, and I will be very honest with you that if I would have found a baby...

I was going to kill Chase.

He was right here.

Did he struggle?

Oh, he struggled. He had his gun on. I had my gun. I pulled it out. I put it in

his ear.

And that's when he realized we aren't like them.

It's obviously something that stayed with you. I know it's like 30 years ago,

but I mean, I feel emotional sitting next to you talking about it. That's

probably the most emotional case I've ever heard in my career.

I learned what fear looked like.

Emotions were already running high in our investigation into Richard Trent and

Chase. And what would happen next would be incredible.

It all started here.

Richard, we want to talk to you.

We have EPP.

Did you hear a notable voice there?

Who's up there?

This isn't human.

Richard Trenton Chase's barbaric murder spree in late 70s California was the

culmination of a life marked with bizarre behavior, deviant conduct, and

acts of violence.

Chase had been committed to a number of mental health institutions throughout

his adolescence, but unfortunately for his victims, was released to kill and

kill again.

Perhaps after death he would linger at a place where he should have stayed in

life. Built in 1890, Preston Castle had been both a reformed school and a mental

asylum and is rife with paranormal activity.

So Bobby, this rather imposing building is Preston Castle.

It's amazing. It's incredible, isn't it? It's just so immovable.

It's crazy.

Interestingly enough, what went on behind these walls has been the subject

quite a few paranormal investigations, and there are said to be plenty of

spirits, and not very nice ones at that. I can already feel people at the

windows, spirits watching us.

The modern world has left the castle behind.

Abandoned in 1960, its corridors and rooms no longer resound to the footsteps

a hundred juvenile delinquents.

Now only an army of spiders and rodents patrol the dilapidated hallways.

But some believe that it still retains some far darker tenants.

We were joined in our investigation by Shannon McCabe of HPI Paranormal, a

hunting organization based in Sacramento.

Preston Castle is an incredible place. It feels haunted.

My psychic thinks that it's haunted and I truly believe that we're going to find

something tonight.

Our investigation would be spread over three floors of the crumbling building.

The first floor where the boys' dormitories would have been.

The ground floor where the infirmary once stood.

And the basement where a lot of the paranormal activity in the castle has

centered.

particularly in the shower area and the kitchen.

So, Bobby, you've got the usual box of tricks.

Right. We're going to be using them here at the castle. Yeah.

Very little places where there's electricity running, so we're going to

K2 meter. We're going to use the voice recorder, see if we can't capture them.

Our downfall is that some of these doors and windows are open, leading directly

to the outside.

Is there anywhere that...

You've looked at that you think we really need to focus on?

Directly above us, I think, is like an infirmary where there's some beds.

I started really getting hit with some heavy place memory. So I want to

definitely check that out. I want to go back down to in the basement level

there.

Just some areas where the pool.

Yeah, just by looking at that, it invokes a certain memory. Yeah, a lot of

that took place. You know, there's a lot of fear in this place anyway.

Now, as far as Richard Chase is concerned, we know that during the

investigation, Chase would tell detectives that if he went up to a door

was locked, he believed he wasn't welcome.

But if it was open, it was a different story.

Now, to me, you can't get more open than this. Do you think that's something

that we're going to need to keep in mind?

Up front, more who we're going to need to worry about are the residents that

were here.

It's like poking a mad dog through a fence.

And I think that if they become aggravated...

that there could be an uprising of spirits and Chase could join into that.

As the day's searing temperature dropped, so did the refuge of daylight.

As the sun drained from the Californian sky, the castle took on a far more

ominous feel.

Whilst we prepared to investigate the basement, Shannon and her paranormal

set their equipment far away from us on the third floor in the vast room that

was once the boys' dormitory.

We've actually been sitting here trying to get some EVPs and we have our hearing

devices and we actually both heard a whistle. We need to confirm if there was

anybody whistling downstairs, but it was a very faint...

Can you tell us your name and why you're here?

So Bobby, where do you want to start at?

Well, let's just walk around here. I want to see if we come across any

and then just kind of start working from there.

Definitely somebody's following us around immediately.

Some horrible and negative emotions here.

This was a shower area.

And the guard would stand over there and watch.

And I could just see the scared individual that just arrived.

He's just shaking.

He's just very, very scared.

Hello?

I think we have our first spirit.

Hello?

Can you just talk to me for just a second?

Tell me who you are.

Look at that.

I felt something touch my leg, and the things lighten up like crazy.

So we've had the electricity switched off, Bobby, so we can discount those

of ripples. I feel like we didn't get in there or anything to do with... And

again, we're standing in the middle of our room.

Did you hear that?

Mm -hmm.

I thought I saw a huddled figure like this and then go right around the

It was just a real brief flash.

Where? Way down the hallway.

Hello?

That sounded to me like a chair.

Hang on just a second.

Who's in here?

Is there any type of energy or presence in here that wants to make itself known?

Hello?

Oh, yeah.

There's some strong, strong vibes coming from here.

Who's in here?

Getting a really cold draft.

Are you getting anything?

I'm getting the sound of footsteps right out there.

Is he here?

No.

All right, hang on.

Hello?

Bobby?

Bobby?

Hey.

What? I was just standing very silently and it was kind of like, well, I suppose

like shuffling. Well, there's definitely some spirit energy down here. It's a

very dark, sinister type of energy.

They're just hanging out in the corners, kind of huddling back over in the

darkest shadows.

I saw some shadows down there.

Did you guys just hear that?

Like a... Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm hearing things.

I just heard it's coming from over there.

Richard.

Richard, come out and talk to me.

I actually want to speak with you. I'd love to have a conversation with you.

Get inside your head and find out why you did those grisly things you did.

I'm hearing a chain.

Give me a sign that you're here with us.

Tap on a wall.

Tap on a wall like that, Richard.

We have EVPs.

We heard it four times. We have four EVPs of this thing calling us whores.

That's what it sounded like. I was standing right there and then I heard it

twice. Whores.

Whores.

HPI Paranormal wanted us to hear their EVP.

An EVP is an electronic voice phenomena believed by paranormal investigators to

be a method of spirit communication.

You have that EVP.

Yes, I do.

Jesus Christ.

Wow, like over... No, actually three times.

Play it again.

Shit.

That's like he's walking right up to the recorder going...

Bobby had already warned us of the many noises at the castle that could be

misconstrued as EVP, but the sound was clearly audible.

Could this be a voice from the other side, or just the random noises from a

disused building?

Whatever it was, it seemed something was stirring in the castle, so we joined

forces with Shannon to see if we could bring the spirit of Chase forward.

Now this is a place where as soon as I came in, I saw everybody

sitting on the floor. Richard Chase being over -medicated and almost found

addiction. It all started here.

Richard, we want to talk to you.

I think you're a coward.

You know what else I think?

I think you're a sick man.

Don't be a scared little mama's boy, Richard. You get over here.

What was that?

You're talking.

You over here, Richard?

He's saying you, bitch.

Richard, did you just call me a bitch?

He's laughing.

Richard, you better say something in this recorder.

He's gone.

Gone?

I don't know where he's at.

That is the closest and in touch with him. I'm convinced that that was him

standing there, yeah.

Bobby and Shannon seemed convinced that they'd made contact with the killer.

If that was true, and I wasn't sure it was, I needed something more concrete,

we split up. Shannon and I went back to the basement, and Bobby investigated

alone.

Hello?

I'm coming in.

Who's here?

Ah, shit.

Hello?

You can't scare me. Who are you?

Richard, you better tell me what drugs you were on when you committed those

disgusting murders.

Yeah, I thought I heard something down at the end of the hall there.

I heard something and I felt like it came right through this area.

Kind of a footstep type, but not quite so loud.

Someone in here with us?

I heard you make a noise now. I'd like you to come out and do that noise again

for me.

Did you hear an audible voice there?

It sounded like the same voice as before.

I heard an audible voice there. I absolutely did.

I'm getting a bit of the classic rubbish feeling in here.

We're leaving.

Was it just the dark and malevolent atmosphere of the building playing

with me? I truly believed I'd heard a voice.

But what I heard was nothing compared to the noise.

Bobby was about to be confronted with. Hello?

What

the

hell is that?

I have no idea what that is.

The castle is unconnected to any mains pipe.

The sound was extraordinary.

Who is that?

Who's up there? Make that noise again.

Who's doing that?

This isn't human.

If the events at the castle were to be believed, then this was our most

paranormally active investigation yet.

We came up with lots of very strange things there and possibly for the first

time I found myself questioning quite a lot in there because you couldn't help

but be affected. The old metal bed, the vast empty basement.

So definitely, I'm sure we could have been affected by what was going on in

head. But then technically, we had an awful lot of very strong evidence, which

is quite unusual.

So, yeah, Preston Castle was certainly sticking my mind, I think.

We were nearing the end of our journey, and I, for one, was feeling troubled and

affected by this gruesome killer.

But I had no idea just how involved I'd become.

His mind is just so gone.

Richard, we know you're standing here with us. I just felt a draft by her

I have to get off the table, I'm sorry.

Our paranormal quest to track down the spirit of serial killer Richard Trenton

Chase was reaching its conclusion.

Chase was a deranged killer who in one black month in 1978 terrorized a

suburban neighborhood of Sacramento and slaughtered six people.

Our final attempt to have a conversation with Chase was a seance in a bar in the

Old Town district of Sacramento.

Bobby, we've arrived at the location for the seance, which is a basement

nightclub called Vegas. And we know for a fact that Richard Chase came here. So

I think this is going to give us yet another clue in the Richard Chase story.

Definitely, I think that we're going to start getting some more answers from

him. And it was called Old Sacramento where we're at. This is like a psychic

death pool. And we have to kind of deal with some of the negative energies that

might be here, focus on Richard Chase.

But I'm pretty confident that we're going to be able to get into his mind,

him forward, and get answers to a lot of the questions that we've been asking.

We were joined at the seance by Shannon McCabe and members of her paranormal

team.

There's so much paranormal activity in Old Sacramento. It's actually a hotbed

for paranormal activity, and I would not doubt that this place is incredibly

haunted.

Whilst they set up their equipment, Bobby focused his mind on Richard, Trent

Chase. Last night we had a pretty strong connection with Chase and I think that

he might be on to us and might want to follow us wherever we're going. I think

that he's messing with us and he wants everything that we're going to give him.

So I'm feeling pretty confident that he's going to come and appear tonight

us.

Tonight we're here.

to contact Richard Trenton Chase.

And so what I'd like you guys to do is concentrate on your breathing, center

yourself, clear your mind.

Richard Trenton Chase, we are here to talk to you again.

We want you to come through and speak with us tonight.

We did not welcome you in life.

but we want you to manifest and speak with us.

I feel that he's here.

He just moved up in between these guys.

He was standing over there in the corner by the beam, and he just now moved up

in between you two.

Richard, we know you're standing here with us.

I want you to walk over to this table, and I want you to blow out this candle.

I just felt a draft by your hand.

Really? Richard, you're behind me, aren't you?

You are not allowed to hurt anyone in this room.

You guys, I have to get out from the table. I'm sorry.

Okay.

I feel really nauseous. I'm sorry. I can't sit there.

Richard?

You are not allowed to hurt anyone in this room. I told you that.

I've just come outside from the sale.

I was sitting at the table and I started to feel...

I was sitting at the table and the only word I

can use to describe it is that I felt very affected and I'm not prepared to

there and put myself through that knowing what happened all those years

going to head back inside.

So let's just get into the questions before he really starts drawing out even

more. What I'm trying to understand is how a man can kill a 22 -month -old

baby and drink the blood and eat the intestine.

What was he thinking when he did that?

There's no more emotional value to that than you would sitting down to a steak

dinner.

There's no remorse.

There's no emotion to it. It was just

efficient.

His mind is just so gone.

Richard, you know that I mean business. You and I spoke last night and you were

messing with me then.

You are not allowed to mess with me tonight.

He says he can taste you.

You wish he could drink my blood, but I will never let you.

It almost seems like you, how he describes you, is like an iron bitch.

He's standing right here.

Candle will help.

I feel like he's fucking everything out of me. He's really trying.

I feel like he's just pushing down on me and I feel so incredibly heavy and out

of breath.

We're going to need to break this off pretty quick here.

Okay. Just because, I mean, he's starting to mess with us like that, and

not cool.

The seance was over, and I, for one, was glad.

It's just a very, very odd sensation. I mean, it's quite difficult to describe,

but physically speaking, my heart rate started to rise.

I suppose almost like you're going to have a panic attack, something like

It felt wicked.

It felt evil.

I actually have been through many, many seances.

And the first time that I actually had a physical feeling in my body from

something evil.

Our investigation had come to an end.

Bobby felt sure that Chase was more than just a madman, incapable of controlling

his demonic urges. He'd picked up on the sense that Chase was a premeditated

killer who stalks his victims.

In the cold light of day, I was struggling with my objectivity.

I'd heard voices from the shadows.

Did you hear an audible voice there? And felt physically sick.

I felt very affected.

It was probably all in my mind. Or was it Richard Trenton Chase?

The jury is still out.