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Adeline Virginia Stephen. 3 00:00:05,411 --> 00:00:08,101 The second daughter of Leslie and Julia Stephen, 4 00:00:08,101 --> 00:00:11,292 born on the 25th of January, 1882, 5 00:00:11,292 --> 00:00:13,388 descended from a great many people, 6 00:00:13,388 --> 00:00:16,297 some famous, others obscure. 7 00:00:16,297 --> 00:00:18,424 Born into a large connection, 8 00:00:18,424 --> 00:00:21,646 born not of rich parents, but to-do parents. 9 00:00:21,646 --> 00:00:25,150 Born into a very communicative, literate, letter writing, 10 00:00:25,150 --> 00:00:28,956 visiting articulate, late 19th century world. 11 00:00:28,956 --> 00:00:31,997 (orchestral music) 12 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:39,508 - She was a late Victorian. 13 00:00:39,508 --> 00:00:41,541 She started writing in the First World War. 14 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:44,607 She was reacting against her parents' generation. 15 00:00:44,607 --> 00:00:49,737 She did the most astonishingly bold, new, 16 00:00:49,737 --> 00:00:52,396 dangerous, risky things with the form of the novel. 17 00:00:52,396 --> 00:00:55,367 And I think that's still very influential 18 00:00:55,367 --> 00:00:57,651 and still actually exciting and pleasurable 19 00:00:57,651 --> 00:00:59,090 for people who read it. 20 00:00:59,090 --> 00:01:01,905 - One of the things that is unique, I think. in her work 21 00:01:01,905 --> 00:01:03,407 and what she was trying to do, 22 00:01:03,407 --> 00:01:07,536 once she came really to be a modern writer, 23 00:01:07,536 --> 00:01:09,288 I mean with the novel Jacob's Room 24 00:01:09,288 --> 00:01:10,789 and then with 'Mrs. Dalloway', 25 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:13,823 is that she wanted to provide 26 00:01:13,823 --> 00:01:17,045 a picture of consciousness. 27 00:01:17,045 --> 00:01:19,517 - She writes about what's important, 28 00:01:19,517 --> 00:01:22,582 what's the meaning of life, what are we here for? 29 00:01:22,582 --> 00:01:25,022 What does it feel like to be alive? 30 00:01:25,022 --> 00:01:27,681 How can we find meaning in things? 31 00:01:27,681 --> 00:01:32,436 And also what happens minute by minute when we are. 32 00:01:32,436 --> 00:01:35,314 - What gives Virginia Woolf that extraordinary power 33 00:01:35,314 --> 00:01:38,786 is that she has more verbal sophistication, 34 00:01:38,786 --> 00:01:42,039 more verbal skill than anyone else, and she knows it. 35 00:01:42,039 --> 00:01:44,010 But what she is writing about 36 00:01:44,010 --> 00:01:46,575 are things that everyone experiences, 37 00:01:46,575 --> 00:01:49,984 the experience of loneliness, the fear of death, 38 00:01:49,984 --> 00:01:51,893 the sense of isolation. 39 00:01:51,893 --> 00:01:55,553 - She used, in a way, 40 00:01:55,553 --> 00:01:58,712 the extremity of the experiences, 41 00:01:58,712 --> 00:02:01,246 sometimes the unbearable experiences 42 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:04,124 she had known in her childhood 43 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:09,126 as material for her work to transform high moments 44 00:02:09,126 --> 00:02:14,339 in the novels into something more than prose, 45 00:02:14,415 --> 00:02:15,760 I mean into poetry. 46 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,015 - She's very much in our minds as readers 47 00:02:20,015 --> 00:02:22,048 and especially as women readers 48 00:02:22,048 --> 00:02:24,206 because she was a radical feminist. 49 00:02:24,206 --> 00:02:27,334 I think another reason why she's still with us 50 00:02:27,334 --> 00:02:30,369 and has such an important afterlife 51 00:02:30,369 --> 00:02:33,591 is her lifelong struggle 52 00:02:33,591 --> 00:02:35,749 with illness, with mental illness. 53 00:02:35,749 --> 00:02:39,346 - But she grew up in what might be called today 54 00:02:39,346 --> 00:02:41,348 a dysfunctional family, 55 00:02:41,348 --> 00:02:45,384 especially the girls were very badly treated 56 00:02:45,384 --> 00:02:46,541 in lots of ways. 57 00:02:46,541 --> 00:02:50,482 - And I think that the terrible, courageous, 58 00:02:50,482 --> 00:02:54,580 difficult struggle that she had to keep on an even keel 59 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:57,583 and to produce the enormous amount of work that she did 60 00:02:57,583 --> 00:03:00,930 is a very haunting story and a very troubling story. 61 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:03,527 And I think it speaks to us today. 62 00:03:03,527 --> 00:03:07,281 - [Narrator] The day mother died, 20 something years ago, 63 00:03:07,281 --> 00:03:08,719 the smell of reeds in the hall 64 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:11,066 is always in the first flower still. 65 00:03:11,066 --> 00:03:14,037 Without remembering the day, I was thinking of her, 66 00:03:14,037 --> 00:03:17,979 as I often do, as good a memorial as one could wish. 67 00:03:17,979 --> 00:03:20,043 - One of the things that's striking 68 00:03:20,043 --> 00:03:23,078 about Virginia Woolf's family 69 00:03:23,078 --> 00:03:25,830 is of course loss. 70 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:29,459 I mean that her mother dies when she's young. 71 00:03:29,459 --> 00:03:34,673 - When she was 13, died at 49 of heart failure. 72 00:03:35,215 --> 00:03:38,656 Her half sister who had been looking after them all, 73 00:03:38,656 --> 00:03:42,378 in what was a turbulent and quite difficult family life 74 00:03:42,378 --> 00:03:47,592 with a very domineering and needy father, died soon after. 75 00:03:47,633 --> 00:03:52,294 - I think that death was a very important subject for her 76 00:03:52,294 --> 00:03:56,799 and that she did suffer mental breakdowns, 77 00:03:56,799 --> 00:04:00,240 particularly after her sister, Stella's, death, 78 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,492 her first major breakdown. 79 00:04:02,492 --> 00:04:07,706 Then after her father's death in 1904, a major breakdown. 80 00:04:07,810 --> 00:04:09,655 - [Narrator] Death was defiance. 81 00:04:09,655 --> 00:04:12,471 Death was an attempt to communicate. 82 00:04:12,471 --> 00:04:15,849 People feeling the impossibility of reaching the center, 83 00:04:15,849 --> 00:04:18,727 which mystically evaded them. 84 00:04:18,727 --> 00:04:23,888 Closeness drew apart, rapture faded. One was alone. 85 00:04:23,888 --> 00:04:26,360 There was an embrace in death. 86 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,958 - The family environment in which he grew 87 00:04:30,958 --> 00:04:34,086 was deeply damaging. 88 00:04:34,086 --> 00:04:36,995 Her half sister was sectioned. 89 00:04:36,995 --> 00:04:40,812 Her father exploited her half sister 90 00:04:40,812 --> 00:04:45,535 and then her sister using them as mother's, 91 00:04:45,535 --> 00:04:49,821 little mothers to look after the rest of the family 92 00:04:49,821 --> 00:04:51,291 when he couldn't manage. 93 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:55,013 - It's her father's death that she thinks, years later, 94 00:04:55,013 --> 00:04:57,641 actually liberated her. 95 00:04:57,641 --> 00:05:00,644 - [Narrator] Father's birthday, he would've been 96, 96 00:05:00,644 --> 00:05:03,741 yes today and could have been 96. 97 00:05:03,741 --> 00:05:05,618 Like other people, one as known. 98 00:05:05,618 --> 00:05:07,463 Mercifully it was not. 99 00:05:07,463 --> 00:05:10,654 His life would've entirely ended mine. 100 00:05:10,654 --> 00:05:11,936 What would've happened? 101 00:05:11,936 --> 00:05:15,721 No writing, no books, inconceivable. 102 00:05:15,721 --> 00:05:19,851 - Basically all of her novels and all of her work 103 00:05:19,851 --> 00:05:23,385 would've been impossible if he had lived. 104 00:05:23,385 --> 00:05:28,046 - And her brother, Toby, died in his twenties 105 00:05:28,046 --> 00:05:29,735 a couple of years after that. 106 00:05:29,735 --> 00:05:33,364 So there was this series from the age of 13 107 00:05:33,364 --> 00:05:37,243 through to the age of 24 of hammer blows, 108 00:05:37,243 --> 00:05:41,810 which were accompanied by very perilous 109 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:44,219 and troublesome times for her. 110 00:05:44,219 --> 00:05:48,504 A number of very major breakdowns 111 00:05:48,504 --> 00:05:51,038 during some of which she tried to kill herself. 112 00:05:51,038 --> 00:05:52,070 - [Narrator] In the first place, 113 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:54,479 it is not true to say that when the door opened 114 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:57,670 and with a curious hesitation and self effacement 115 00:05:57,670 --> 00:06:00,016 Turner or Strachey glided in, 116 00:06:00,016 --> 00:06:02,706 that they were complete strangers to us. 117 00:06:02,706 --> 00:06:07,304 We had met them and Bell, Woolf, Hilton Young and others 118 00:06:07,304 --> 00:06:11,465 in Cambridge at May Week before my father died. 119 00:06:11,465 --> 00:06:15,437 - So it was quite a surprise to her friends and her family 120 00:06:15,437 --> 00:06:19,097 when she decided to marry Leonard Woolf. 121 00:06:19,097 --> 00:06:23,383 - Virginia Woolf famously teased her unmarried friends 122 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:26,136 when she got engaged to Leonard Woolf saying, 123 00:06:26,136 --> 00:06:28,763 I'm marrying a penniless Jew. 124 00:06:28,763 --> 00:06:32,892 She actually was courageous about it because on the face, 125 00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:34,863 that they were very different people. 126 00:06:34,863 --> 00:06:37,178 - He was a civil servant who'd been working 127 00:06:37,178 --> 00:06:39,117 in Salon as it then was. 128 00:06:39,117 --> 00:06:41,995 He had a middle class Jewish family 129 00:06:41,995 --> 00:06:43,528 whom she didn't like at all, 130 00:06:43,528 --> 00:06:45,718 deeply in love with him in her own way, 131 00:06:45,718 --> 00:06:48,627 and also horribly anti-Semitic 132 00:06:48,627 --> 00:06:50,441 in many of the things that she says. 133 00:06:50,441 --> 00:06:54,695 - But she and Leonard were very dependent upon one another 134 00:06:54,695 --> 00:06:57,167 and a remarkable couple 135 00:06:57,167 --> 00:07:00,451 who spent a great deal of time together 136 00:07:00,451 --> 00:07:03,329 and obviously did so very successfully. 137 00:07:03,329 --> 00:07:05,456 - They also rowed like mad. 138 00:07:05,456 --> 00:07:09,147 - [Narrator] Oh dear, we quarreled almost all morning 139 00:07:09,147 --> 00:07:10,649 and it was a lovely morning. 140 00:07:10,649 --> 00:07:12,651 And now gone to Hades forever, 141 00:07:12,651 --> 00:07:15,310 branded with marks of our ill humor. 142 00:07:15,310 --> 00:07:18,657 Which began it? Which carried it on? God knows. 143 00:07:18,657 --> 00:07:23,318 This I will say, I exploded and L smolders. 144 00:07:23,318 --> 00:07:25,977 However, quite suddenly we made it up, 145 00:07:25,977 --> 00:07:27,916 but the morning was wasted. 146 00:07:27,916 --> 00:07:29,637 - They were very political. 147 00:07:29,637 --> 00:07:33,422 He became a very important central figure 148 00:07:33,422 --> 00:07:35,611 in the socialist movement in his time. 149 00:07:35,611 --> 00:07:38,145 He was a literary editor, he was a journalist 150 00:07:38,145 --> 00:07:39,709 and he had a regime. 151 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:41,649 He knew that she could easily fall ill. 152 00:07:41,649 --> 00:07:45,965 She fell violently ill soon after their marriage 153 00:07:45,965 --> 00:07:49,594 and was more or less incarcerated for about two years. 154 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:51,534 This is during the first World War. 155 00:07:51,534 --> 00:07:54,130 - [Narrator] 15 Years ago, she had gone under. 156 00:07:54,130 --> 00:07:55,913 It was nothing you could put your finger on. 157 00:07:55,913 --> 00:07:57,977 There'd been no scene, no snap, 158 00:07:57,977 --> 00:08:03,076 only the slow sinking, water-logged, of her will into his. 159 00:08:03,076 --> 00:08:08,050 - Leonard Woolf, at first, trusted medical opinion 160 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:12,336 and he took her to see the eminent Sir Henry Head 161 00:08:12,336 --> 00:08:15,151 in September, 1913. 162 00:08:15,151 --> 00:08:19,374 And Virginia Woolf went away from that doctor's appointment 163 00:08:19,374 --> 00:08:22,346 and took an overdose of veronal and only survived 164 00:08:22,346 --> 00:08:25,818 because her stomach was pumped out in time. 165 00:08:25,818 --> 00:08:29,259 - And Leonard Woolf made a crucial decision, 166 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:33,544 which was not to have her sent to an asylum. 167 00:08:33,544 --> 00:08:35,421 He was going to look after her. 168 00:08:35,421 --> 00:08:37,861 - He must have suffered in the marriage. 169 00:08:37,861 --> 00:08:40,989 But his sense of the personal, 170 00:08:40,989 --> 00:08:43,961 not the literary or social value of his wife, 171 00:08:43,961 --> 00:08:48,215 was so strong and so extreme that he was willing 172 00:08:48,215 --> 00:08:51,781 to suppress himself for her sake. 173 00:08:51,781 --> 00:08:56,567 - And I read this as a form of sympathetic, 174 00:08:56,567 --> 00:09:00,165 practical guardianship and not as a form 175 00:09:00,165 --> 00:09:04,544 of tyranny or constriction or repression. 176 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:07,328 - But it does seem to me that Leonard Woolf 177 00:09:07,328 --> 00:09:11,520 was very protective and almost, yes, 178 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,116 in a motherly role to his wife. 179 00:09:14,116 --> 00:09:16,931 But maybe it came too late. 180 00:09:16,931 --> 00:09:18,965 - [Narrator] I was interrupted somewhere on this page 181 00:09:18,965 --> 00:09:21,217 by the arrival of Mr. Elliot. 182 00:09:21,217 --> 00:09:24,220 Mr. Elliot is well expressed by his name, 183 00:09:24,220 --> 00:09:27,723 a polished, cultivated, elaborate, young American. 184 00:09:27,723 --> 00:09:29,913 talking so slow that each word 185 00:09:29,913 --> 00:09:32,447 seems to have special finish allotted it. 186 00:09:32,447 --> 00:09:35,419 - She could be very snobbish, she could be very snarky. 187 00:09:35,419 --> 00:09:37,108 You didn't wanna trust her with a secret 188 00:09:37,108 --> 00:09:40,267 'cause she'd immediately go off and tell six other people. 189 00:09:40,267 --> 00:09:43,239 She could be fantastically rude and condescending. 190 00:09:43,239 --> 00:09:46,336 - Christopher Isherwood talks about how Virginia Woolf 191 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:49,495 was one of the greatest conversationalists, 192 00:09:49,495 --> 00:09:52,217 but also one of the great gossips in the world. 193 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:54,907 And I think all of that goes hand in hand. 194 00:09:54,907 --> 00:09:57,159 She was an observer. She observed herself. 195 00:09:57,159 --> 00:09:58,598 She observed other people. 196 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:01,288 - [Narrator] I don't like old ladies who guzzle. 197 00:10:01,288 --> 00:10:04,072 My comment upon Ethel Smyth last night. 198 00:10:04,072 --> 00:10:05,261 No doubt, a harsh one, 199 00:10:05,261 --> 00:10:08,765 but she champed and chopped and squabbled over her duck 200 00:10:08,765 --> 00:10:11,267 and then was overeaten and had to go home. 201 00:10:11,267 --> 00:10:14,583 - She could be savage. She was a terrible snob. 202 00:10:14,583 --> 00:10:18,159 She could be extremely funny about her friends 203 00:10:19,281 --> 00:10:23,967 and talk about them in ways that were extremely cutting. 204 00:10:23,967 --> 00:10:26,783 - She was very snarky about the middle classes 205 00:10:26,783 --> 00:10:29,066 and the middle brow. 206 00:10:29,066 --> 00:10:32,038 She was extremely unfair to very good novelists, 207 00:10:32,038 --> 00:10:35,010 like Arnold Bennett, because she thought he was too taken up 208 00:10:35,010 --> 00:10:36,480 with the material world. 209 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,670 - So far, no gossip and no soul. 210 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:43,612 Yet I've seen Bob, Desmond, Lytton, Sebastian Sprott, 211 00:10:43,612 --> 00:10:46,146 Dorothy Bussy, Mrs. Elliot, 212 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:48,679 this last making me almost vomit. 213 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,996 So scented, so powdered, so egotistic, 214 00:10:52,996 --> 00:10:56,031 so morbid, so weekly. 215 00:10:56,031 --> 00:10:59,722 - She's fantastically intolerant and bigoted in many ways. 216 00:10:59,722 --> 00:11:03,475 All this is part of the wild energy 217 00:11:03,475 --> 00:11:05,634 of her creative imagination. 218 00:11:05,634 --> 00:11:07,824 But it's the sort of dark side, 219 00:11:07,824 --> 00:11:11,108 and I think it is related to her mental illness 220 00:11:11,108 --> 00:11:15,331 and to her anxiety about being vulnerable. 221 00:11:15,331 --> 00:11:16,457 When her friend, 222 00:11:16,457 --> 00:11:18,991 with whom she had a very conflicted relationship, 223 00:11:18,991 --> 00:11:21,681 Katherine Mansfield first came to visit, she says, 224 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,840 - [Narrator] The dinner last night went off. 225 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,592 The delicate things were discussed. 226 00:11:26,592 --> 00:11:29,971 We could both wish that one's first impression of KM 227 00:11:29,971 --> 00:11:34,069 was not that she stinks like a, well, civet cat 228 00:11:34,069 --> 00:11:35,852 that had taken to street walking. 229 00:11:35,852 --> 00:11:37,885 - Virginia Woolf was very hard 230 00:11:37,885 --> 00:11:40,106 and judgmental of her friends. 231 00:11:40,106 --> 00:11:42,233 But I think she was also very harsh 232 00:11:42,233 --> 00:11:44,298 and judgmental of herself. 233 00:11:44,298 --> 00:11:49,511 And so she didn't let herself off easy as an artist 234 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:54,766 or even recognizing some of her impatience, 235 00:11:55,934 --> 00:11:58,218 to put it kindly, with other people. 236 00:11:58,218 --> 00:12:01,971 And so you find in her diaries and her letters, 237 00:12:01,971 --> 00:12:05,319 self-criticism as pungent 238 00:12:05,319 --> 00:12:09,323 as her criticism of other people. 239 00:12:09,323 --> 00:12:10,855 - [Narrator] Here are my resolutions 240 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:12,263 for the next three months, 241 00:12:12,263 --> 00:12:14,109 the next lap of the year. 242 00:12:14,109 --> 00:12:17,862 First to have none, not to be tied. 243 00:12:17,862 --> 00:12:20,897 Second to be free and kindly with myself, 244 00:12:20,897 --> 00:12:23,180 not goading it to parties, 245 00:12:23,180 --> 00:12:26,684 to sit rather privately reading in the studio, 246 00:12:26,684 --> 00:12:29,405 to make a good job of The Waves. 247 00:12:29,405 --> 00:12:33,659 - And here she is at the end of The Waves. 248 00:12:33,659 --> 00:12:36,537 And I think I should preface this by saying 249 00:12:36,537 --> 00:12:39,040 that in her diary when she put her pen down 250 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,170 after writing these immortal words, 251 00:12:44,170 --> 00:12:46,829 she felt very close to mental illness. 252 00:12:46,829 --> 00:12:48,956 - [Narrator] Here in the few minutes that remain, 253 00:12:48,956 --> 00:12:54,170 I must record heaven be praised, the end of The Waves. 254 00:12:54,743 --> 00:12:58,716 I wrote the words, O Death, 15 minutes ago. 255 00:12:58,716 --> 00:13:01,687 It is death. Death is the enemy. 256 00:13:01,687 --> 00:13:05,566 It is death against whom I ride with my spear couched 257 00:13:05,566 --> 00:13:08,538 and my hair flying back like a young man's, 258 00:13:08,538 --> 00:13:10,790 like Percival's when he galloped in India. 259 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:13,293 I strike spurs into my horse. 260 00:13:13,293 --> 00:13:16,046 Against you, I will fling myself, 261 00:13:16,046 --> 00:13:20,237 unvanquished and unyielding, O Death. 262 00:13:20,237 --> 00:13:22,802 The Waves broke on the shore. 263 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:25,117 - Virginia Woolf thought of The Waves, in part, 264 00:13:25,117 --> 00:13:27,557 as a memorial to her brother, Toby. 265 00:13:27,557 --> 00:13:29,059 And she talked about weeping 266 00:13:29,059 --> 00:13:32,343 when she was thinking about Toby while writing the book. 267 00:13:32,343 --> 00:13:34,095 - [Narrator] Anyhow, it is done. 268 00:13:34,095 --> 00:13:38,036 And I have been sitting these 15 minutes in a state of glory 269 00:13:38,036 --> 00:13:41,759 and calm and some tears thinking of Toby. 270 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:43,667 - And it is at the end of the novel, 271 00:13:43,667 --> 00:13:46,357 the image of a wave starting again 272 00:13:46,357 --> 00:13:50,330 and the wave become the, 273 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:55,397 it's a bit like the continuity of life or eternity in time, 274 00:13:55,397 --> 00:14:00,528 that the waves come again and again and again. 275 00:14:00,528 --> 00:14:03,750 - [Narrator] Yes, this is the eternal renewal. 276 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:08,348 The incessant rise and fall and fall and rise again. 277 00:14:08,348 --> 00:14:11,007 And in Me too, the wave rises. 278 00:14:11,007 --> 00:14:14,448 It swells, it arches its back. 279 00:14:14,448 --> 00:14:16,669 I'm aware once more of a new desire, 280 00:14:16,669 --> 00:14:19,609 something rising beneath me 281 00:14:19,609 --> 00:14:22,362 like the proud horse whose rider first spurs 282 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,207 and then pulls back. 283 00:14:24,207 --> 00:14:27,930 - But then there's always another wave rising far out. 284 00:14:27,930 --> 00:14:32,309 And that is crucial to Virginia Woolf's psyche 285 00:14:32,309 --> 00:14:35,907 and her achievement, that she was always conscious 286 00:14:35,907 --> 00:14:40,349 of that other wave rising, recuperating itself. 287 00:14:40,349 --> 00:14:44,019 - After Leslie Stephen died in 1904, the family 288 00:14:45,354 --> 00:14:48,200 which was the two brothers, Toby and Adrian, 289 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,801 and Virginia's sister, Vanessa, who became a painter, 290 00:14:52,736 --> 00:14:56,396 moved to the area of London that's called Bloomsbury. 291 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:59,211 - [Narrator] In fact, the dominion that Bloomsbury exercises 292 00:14:59,211 --> 00:15:01,463 over the sane and insane alike 293 00:15:01,463 --> 00:15:03,778 seems to be sufficient to turn the brains 294 00:15:03,778 --> 00:15:05,624 of the most robust. 295 00:15:05,624 --> 00:15:09,346 Happily, I'm Bloomsbury myself and thus immune, 296 00:15:09,346 --> 00:15:11,880 but I'm not altogether ignorant of what they mean. 297 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,852 And it's a hypnotism very difficult to shake off 298 00:15:14,852 --> 00:15:16,854 because there's some foundation for it. 299 00:15:16,854 --> 00:15:21,327 - But it was a life of young people finding their own way, 300 00:15:21,327 --> 00:15:24,862 making lots of ridiculous mistakes, 301 00:15:24,862 --> 00:15:27,771 falling into all kinds of complicated relationships. 302 00:15:27,771 --> 00:15:32,870 And above all, talking honestly and candidly 303 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:37,187 about sex, about homosexuality, about their feelings, 304 00:15:37,187 --> 00:15:40,221 about art, about politics, 305 00:15:40,221 --> 00:15:43,693 because they felt, all of them in their different ways, 306 00:15:43,693 --> 00:15:45,695 that they'd grown up in an environment 307 00:15:45,695 --> 00:15:47,697 where you couldn't speak the truth. 308 00:15:47,697 --> 00:15:50,325 - [Narrator] I thus detect another element in the shame 309 00:15:50,325 --> 00:15:53,109 which I had at being caught looking at myself 310 00:15:53,109 --> 00:15:55,236 in the glass in the hall. 311 00:15:55,236 --> 00:15:58,865 I must have been ashamed or afraid of my own body. 312 00:15:58,865 --> 00:16:04,078 Another memory, also of the hall, may help to explain this. 313 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:07,217 There was a slab outside the dining room door 314 00:16:07,217 --> 00:16:09,375 for standing dishes upon. 315 00:16:09,375 --> 00:16:12,003 Once when I was very small, 316 00:16:12,003 --> 00:16:14,974 Gerald Duckworth lifted me onto this. 317 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:19,044 And as I sat there, he began to explore my body. 318 00:16:20,762 --> 00:16:24,578 - It's a wrong conclusion, I think, 319 00:16:24,578 --> 00:16:27,581 to draw from that experience 320 00:16:27,581 --> 00:16:31,647 that she simply from that time on, 321 00:16:31,647 --> 00:16:36,861 suffered with insoluble mental problems. 322 00:16:38,123 --> 00:16:39,405 Now I don't, 323 00:16:39,405 --> 00:16:42,439 it obviously contributed to who she was 324 00:16:42,439 --> 00:16:44,660 and to her fragility. 325 00:16:44,660 --> 00:16:46,892 But that puts us 326 00:16:49,102 --> 00:16:52,387 at a loss when we look at 327 00:16:52,387 --> 00:16:55,421 how much she transcended 328 00:16:55,421 --> 00:16:59,488 that suffering, real suffering, 329 00:16:59,488 --> 00:17:03,586 and how much she was able to do 330 00:17:03,586 --> 00:17:07,892 with her art and her work and how productive she was. 331 00:17:07,892 --> 00:17:11,969 - In her own experience of sexual abuse. 332 00:17:11,969 --> 00:17:16,129 Whatever it exactly was, she's record recorded it. 333 00:17:16,129 --> 00:17:19,633 She said that her brother, George, 334 00:17:19,633 --> 00:17:23,449 would rush into her bedroom at night. 335 00:17:23,449 --> 00:17:25,701 - Sleep had almost come to me. 336 00:17:25,701 --> 00:17:29,111 The room was dark, the house silent. 337 00:17:29,111 --> 00:17:32,521 Then creaking stealthily, the door opened. 338 00:17:32,521 --> 00:17:35,336 Treading gingerly, someone entered. 339 00:17:35,336 --> 00:17:37,432 'Who?'. I cried. 340 00:17:37,432 --> 00:17:40,685 'Don't be frightened.', George whispered. 341 00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:44,814 'And don't turn on the light. Oh, beloved, beloved.' 342 00:17:44,814 --> 00:17:48,724 And he flung himself on my bed and took me in his arms. 343 00:17:48,724 --> 00:17:53,511 - In the episode of her being abused 344 00:17:53,511 --> 00:17:55,168 by her half-brothers, 345 00:17:55,168 --> 00:17:58,256 there is no sense that there was anybody 346 00:17:58,256 --> 00:18:01,769 to talk to about it or or to know about it. 347 00:18:01,769 --> 00:18:03,739 And there was nobody to stop them, 348 00:18:03,739 --> 00:18:07,994 must have increased this sense of not being protected 349 00:18:07,994 --> 00:18:10,496 and not being able to protect herself. 350 00:18:10,496 --> 00:18:14,844 And when the sense of exposure became too great 351 00:18:14,844 --> 00:18:19,724 or when the whatever it was rushed in her, 352 00:18:19,724 --> 00:18:22,540 she couldn't cope. 353 00:18:22,540 --> 00:18:25,980 - So there was abuse and she had reason to fear men, 354 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:28,514 reason to fear male sexuality. 355 00:18:28,514 --> 00:18:32,299 And I think that why she was so bonded 356 00:18:32,299 --> 00:18:34,051 with her Bloomsbury group 357 00:18:34,051 --> 00:18:38,337 is that this was a civilized group in her terms. 358 00:18:38,337 --> 00:18:42,539 The men were civilized in that they believed 359 00:18:43,873 --> 00:18:47,627 in the same values as she believed 360 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:50,755 that one must care for other people, 361 00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:53,727 that one must be responsible. 362 00:18:53,727 --> 00:18:55,322 - Virginia Woolf is often accused 363 00:18:55,322 --> 00:18:59,858 of being an egotist or a narcissist. 364 00:18:59,858 --> 00:19:03,143 And she was indeed deeply interested 365 00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:07,616 in her own experiences and emotions. 366 00:19:07,616 --> 00:19:10,087 And she, in her diaries and in her letters, 367 00:19:10,087 --> 00:19:13,935 she analyzes herself all the time, moment by moment. 368 00:19:13,935 --> 00:19:16,062 And she is extremely up and down. 369 00:19:16,062 --> 00:19:18,815 She's a very volatile character. 370 00:19:18,815 --> 00:19:22,693 - [Narrator] The day after my birthday, in fact, I'm 38. 371 00:19:22,693 --> 00:19:24,914 While I've no doubt that I'm a great deal happier 372 00:19:24,914 --> 00:19:26,854 than I was at 28 373 00:19:26,854 --> 00:19:29,544 and happier today than I was yesterday. 374 00:19:29,544 --> 00:19:33,360 Having this afternoon arrived at some idea of a new form 375 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:34,862 for a new novel. 376 00:19:34,862 --> 00:19:36,770 - So if you're gonna write fiction about, 377 00:19:36,770 --> 00:19:38,994 which she thought should be about people, 378 00:19:39,961 --> 00:19:43,499 because fiction is basically about human beings. 379 00:19:45,122 --> 00:19:46,624 How do you do it? 380 00:19:46,624 --> 00:19:48,626 The old conventions, 381 00:19:48,626 --> 00:19:51,066 which she saw in the 19th century novel 382 00:19:51,066 --> 00:19:52,442 and the early 20th century, 383 00:19:52,442 --> 00:19:55,570 what used to be called the Edwardian novel, 384 00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:57,697 she didn't think worked for her. 385 00:19:57,697 --> 00:20:01,545 - She largely avoids these 386 00:20:01,545 --> 00:20:04,610 kind of large social novels where 387 00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:09,428 you're seeing upstairs and downstairs at the same time. 388 00:20:09,428 --> 00:20:14,641 - [Narrator] She had known happiness, intense happiness. 389 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:18,656 And it silvered the rough waves a little more brightly 390 00:20:18,656 --> 00:20:21,252 as daylight faded and the blue went out of the sea 391 00:20:21,252 --> 00:20:23,786 and it rolled in waves of pure lemon, 392 00:20:23,786 --> 00:20:27,446 which curved and swelled and broke upon the beach. 393 00:20:27,446 --> 00:20:30,980 And the ecstasy burst in her eyes 394 00:20:30,980 --> 00:20:34,578 and waves of pure delight raced over the floor of her mind 395 00:20:34,578 --> 00:20:39,791 and she felt it is enough. It is enough. 396 00:20:40,208 --> 00:20:43,118 - Such moments are inhabited 397 00:20:43,118 --> 00:20:46,183 by a much larger rhythm 398 00:20:46,183 --> 00:20:49,061 than a lot of other passages. 399 00:20:49,061 --> 00:20:51,564 And I think our moments 400 00:20:51,564 --> 00:20:55,734 where some kind of 401 00:20:57,288 --> 00:20:59,791 well, ecstasy is reached, 402 00:20:59,791 --> 00:21:03,325 I mean in fact almost 403 00:21:03,325 --> 00:21:05,734 well, orgasmic ecstasy, 404 00:21:05,734 --> 00:21:09,738 she cries at a point. It is enough. It is enough. 405 00:21:09,738 --> 00:21:13,026 And I think that's very much a female cry. 406 00:21:14,242 --> 00:21:16,901 - So she wants to turn the focus away 407 00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:20,843 from the traditional subjects of fiction 408 00:21:20,843 --> 00:21:25,222 into the shadows of moments of being 409 00:21:25,222 --> 00:21:26,664 and the inner life. 410 00:21:27,537 --> 00:21:32,751 And to do this, she has to develop a new style. 411 00:21:33,387 --> 00:21:38,600 So there's a rational for the lengthening of her sentences 412 00:21:39,236 --> 00:21:41,457 and the fragmented narrative, 413 00:21:41,457 --> 00:21:46,056 because she begins to inject silences into her narrative. 414 00:21:46,056 --> 00:21:48,965 She accepts the fact that there is much 415 00:21:48,965 --> 00:21:53,094 one cannot define or even record 416 00:21:53,094 --> 00:21:57,817 and one's got to allow for what can't be said. 417 00:21:57,817 --> 00:22:01,102 - She's trying to get a narrative 418 00:22:01,102 --> 00:22:06,315 that moves like water inside other people's minds 419 00:22:06,326 --> 00:22:08,985 and lives and then goes back out again. 420 00:22:08,985 --> 00:22:11,081 Very interested in nature and the natural world. 421 00:22:11,081 --> 00:22:12,582 And then goes back in again. 422 00:22:12,582 --> 00:22:15,335 - [Narrator] I faint. I fail. 423 00:22:15,335 --> 00:22:17,149 Now my body thaws. 424 00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:21,247 I am unsealed, I am incandescent. 425 00:22:21,247 --> 00:22:25,783 Now the stream pours in a deep tide, fertilizing, 426 00:22:25,783 --> 00:22:30,788 opening the shut, forcing the tight folded flooding free. 427 00:22:30,788 --> 00:22:33,853 To whom shall I give all that now flows through me 428 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:37,357 from my warm, my porous body? 429 00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:41,204 - Part of this has to do with her sense 430 00:22:41,204 --> 00:22:46,022 of what is unique about every individual human being 431 00:22:46,022 --> 00:22:48,274 and what every human being has in common. 432 00:22:48,274 --> 00:22:52,497 She's aware of the way in which say everyone has a body 433 00:22:52,497 --> 00:22:56,626 that is different, but everyone has a body in the same way. 434 00:22:56,626 --> 00:23:01,256 - She thought of life as something dangerous 435 00:23:01,256 --> 00:23:04,540 and she was extremely sensitized 436 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:08,263 to what was going on around her, always from the first. 437 00:23:08,263 --> 00:23:11,360 She kept in her mind all her life, 438 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,613 very, very vivid memories of childhood. 439 00:23:14,613 --> 00:23:16,834 For instance, of going to the house in Cornwall 440 00:23:16,834 --> 00:23:19,180 where they went for three months every summer 441 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:20,369 down in St. Ives. 442 00:23:20,369 --> 00:23:23,622 - So when she was growing up, I mean at St. Ives, 443 00:23:23,622 --> 00:23:27,094 there's a great sense of place that's later 444 00:23:27,094 --> 00:23:28,971 put into 'To the Lighthouse'. 445 00:23:28,971 --> 00:23:32,349 - [Narrator] Well, Leonard has read 'To the Lighthouse' 446 00:23:32,349 --> 00:23:37,229 and says, it is much my best book and it is a masterpiece. 447 00:23:37,229 --> 00:23:39,200 He said this without my asking. 448 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,921 - There's a family called the Ramses 449 00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:46,082 who are very closely based on Virginia Woolf's parents 450 00:23:46,082 --> 00:23:47,802 and her siblings. 451 00:23:47,802 --> 00:23:50,339 - At the beginning of 'To the Lighthouse' 452 00:23:51,368 --> 00:23:55,810 when James is with his mother, 453 00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:59,314 and there is some hope of going 'To the Lighthouse', 454 00:23:59,314 --> 00:24:04,194 she donates to James the kind of high sensitivity 455 00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:08,073 that was hers and that she wrote 456 00:24:08,073 --> 00:24:13,203 about her own childhood and the interruption 457 00:24:13,203 --> 00:24:15,987 that comes from the father saying, 458 00:24:15,987 --> 00:24:17,363 it won't be fine tomorrow, 459 00:24:17,363 --> 00:24:19,959 which means they won't be able to go. 460 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:23,963 Brings out of James an extreme violence, 461 00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:28,061 a sort of murderous violence in relation to the father. 462 00:24:28,061 --> 00:24:29,876 - [Narrator] Had there been an ax handy, 463 00:24:29,876 --> 00:24:31,471 a poker, or any weapon 464 00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,755 that would've gashed a hole in his father's breast 465 00:24:33,755 --> 00:24:35,694 and killed him there and then, 466 00:24:35,694 --> 00:24:37,821 James would have seized it. 467 00:24:37,821 --> 00:24:39,854 Such were the extremes of emotion 468 00:24:39,854 --> 00:24:42,419 that Mr. Ramsey excited in his children's breasts 469 00:24:42,419 --> 00:24:44,234 by his mere presence. 470 00:24:44,234 --> 00:24:46,267 - You see them in the house, 471 00:24:46,267 --> 00:24:49,364 all focused around Mrs. Ramsey. 472 00:24:49,364 --> 00:24:51,960 And you see her in a kind of combative 473 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,745 and complicated relationship with her very needy, demanding, 474 00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:59,217 obstreperous literary husbands. 475 00:24:59,217 --> 00:25:01,282 - I suppose that I did for myself 476 00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:04,222 what psychoanalyst do for their patients. 477 00:25:04,222 --> 00:25:06,975 I used to think of father and mother daily, 478 00:25:06,975 --> 00:25:11,417 but writing the Lighthouse laid them in my mind. 479 00:25:11,417 --> 00:25:16,631 - Virginia Woolf certainly turns well unbearable experiences 480 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,926 like the abuse she has suffered 481 00:25:19,926 --> 00:25:22,897 into poetry very strikingly 482 00:25:22,897 --> 00:25:28,090 in the Time Passes section of 'To the Lighthouse' 483 00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:30,572 because the decay of the house 484 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:33,752 resonates on so many levels. 485 00:25:33,752 --> 00:25:38,851 I think it also means a psyche or self 486 00:25:38,851 --> 00:25:43,230 under the assault of a form of destruction 487 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:45,420 that is very subtle. 488 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:47,985 - And the woman, the young woman who's observed all this 489 00:25:47,985 --> 00:25:49,956 in the first half and who's sort of fallen in love 490 00:25:49,956 --> 00:25:52,771 with Mrs. Ramsey, is a painter called Lily. 491 00:25:52,771 --> 00:25:56,087 And she's painting a painting of Mrs. Ramsey 492 00:25:56,087 --> 00:25:58,464 in the first part of the novel. 493 00:25:58,464 --> 00:25:59,684 And in the last part of the novel, 494 00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,746 she gets this painting out again and she thinks about it, 495 00:26:01,746 --> 00:26:04,157 and she tries to start it again. 496 00:26:04,157 --> 00:26:06,535 But Mrs. Ramsey of course, isn't there. 497 00:26:06,535 --> 00:26:09,100 - [Narrator] Mrs. Ramsey, Mrs. Ramsey, she cried 498 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,571 feeling the old horror come back. 499 00:26:11,571 --> 00:26:15,606 To want and want and not have Mrs. Ramsey. 500 00:26:15,606 --> 00:26:18,328 It was part of her perfect goodness to Lilly. 501 00:26:18,328 --> 00:26:20,862 Sat there quite simply in the chair, 502 00:26:20,862 --> 00:26:22,613 flicked her needles to and fro 503 00:26:22,613 --> 00:26:24,834 knitted her reddish brown stocking, 504 00:26:24,834 --> 00:26:27,118 cast her shadow on the step. 505 00:26:27,118 --> 00:26:28,588 There she sat. 506 00:26:28,588 --> 00:26:32,905 - But this appearance is like what the novel has done 507 00:26:32,905 --> 00:26:35,720 is bring her back from the dead. 508 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,881 So it makes the novel into a kind of ghost story 509 00:26:39,881 --> 00:26:41,914 in a very surprising way. 510 00:26:41,914 --> 00:26:44,667 - The kind of triumph that Lilly Briscoe had 511 00:26:44,667 --> 00:26:46,231 at the end of 'To the Lighthouse' 512 00:26:46,231 --> 00:26:47,857 seems to be the same triumph 513 00:26:47,857 --> 00:26:50,829 that Virginia Woolf felt when she finished The Waves. 514 00:26:50,829 --> 00:26:53,206 She wrote in her diary that in effect, 515 00:26:53,206 --> 00:26:54,552 she let herself go. 516 00:26:54,552 --> 00:26:59,087 She simply felt herself riding on the wave of the prose 517 00:26:59,087 --> 00:27:01,965 and felt, I'm paraphrasing hopelessly here, 518 00:27:01,965 --> 00:27:04,687 a tremendous exhilaration of a kind 519 00:27:04,687 --> 00:27:06,501 she had never imagined before. 520 00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:09,316 - If you look at 'To the Lighthouse', 521 00:27:09,316 --> 00:27:12,194 it's obviously about a certain kind of family 522 00:27:12,194 --> 00:27:13,226 of a certain class. 523 00:27:13,226 --> 00:27:15,135 And then there are other characters, 524 00:27:15,135 --> 00:27:17,762 the artist Lily Briscoe and other people 525 00:27:17,762 --> 00:27:19,764 that gives you a sense Virginia Woolf understands 526 00:27:19,764 --> 00:27:23,800 more than just about her own world. 527 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,301 - [Narrator] Mrs. Dalloway said she would 528 00:27:25,301 --> 00:27:27,772 buy the flowers herself. 529 00:27:27,772 --> 00:27:32,120 - The beginning of 'Mrs. Dalloway', where Clarissa Dalloway, 530 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,592 who is a society hostess, 531 00:27:34,592 --> 00:27:37,563 goes out to buy the flowers 532 00:27:37,563 --> 00:27:40,003 for the party that she's having that evening. 533 00:27:40,003 --> 00:27:42,102 It couldn't be more trivial, 534 00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:46,447 it couldn't be more superficial. 535 00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:49,544 And off she goes, this middle-aged woman 536 00:27:49,544 --> 00:27:51,233 who's recently been very ill. 537 00:27:51,233 --> 00:27:52,735 And she goes into the streets of London, 538 00:27:52,735 --> 00:27:56,645 you see them sort of shimmering with activity and busyness 539 00:27:56,645 --> 00:28:00,242 and everybody absolutely relieved 540 00:28:00,242 --> 00:28:02,713 that the war is over and they can go to parties 541 00:28:02,713 --> 00:28:03,840 and go shopping. 542 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,656 But under it, you are going to see the corpses. 543 00:28:07,656 --> 00:28:11,441 You're going to feel and hear and see 544 00:28:11,441 --> 00:28:14,444 the millions of corpses and deaths 545 00:28:14,444 --> 00:28:17,478 that underlie this shimmering surface. 546 00:28:17,478 --> 00:28:20,043 - So in 'Mrs. Dalloway' in particular, 547 00:28:20,043 --> 00:28:23,265 you have all of the thoughts of Clarissa Dalloway 548 00:28:23,265 --> 00:28:25,518 that will tell you as the reader 549 00:28:25,518 --> 00:28:27,363 what Clarissa Dalloway is like 550 00:28:27,363 --> 00:28:31,117 with an occasional turn outward. 551 00:28:31,117 --> 00:28:35,152 Where there is a third person watching Clarissa Dalloway 552 00:28:35,152 --> 00:28:36,622 to tell us what she looks like. 553 00:28:36,622 --> 00:28:40,063 So that the novel can be a seamless view 554 00:28:40,063 --> 00:28:42,628 inside Clarissa Dalloway's mind, 555 00:28:42,628 --> 00:28:46,320 but situated firmly on the streets of London 556 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,040 in a realistic way. 557 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,230 - Doctors in the early 20th century 558 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:55,120 when faced with manic depression or bipolar disorder 559 00:28:56,423 --> 00:28:59,677 didn't really know what to do. 560 00:28:59,677 --> 00:29:02,398 So they invented regimes 561 00:29:02,398 --> 00:29:07,122 and that's spelt out very dramatically in 'Mrs. Dalloway'. 562 00:29:07,122 --> 00:29:09,134 - Where Septimus Warren Smith 563 00:29:11,188 --> 00:29:15,599 feels so completely porous 564 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:17,007 as it were, exposed. 565 00:29:17,007 --> 00:29:21,386 I mean his own fiber is continuous 566 00:29:21,386 --> 00:29:26,599 with the wind in the leaves or the birds flying. 567 00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:28,706 - [Narrator] There remained only the window, 568 00:29:28,706 --> 00:29:31,677 the large Bloomsbury lodging house window. 569 00:29:31,677 --> 00:29:33,711 The tiresome, the troublesome 570 00:29:33,711 --> 00:29:38,090 and rather melodramatic business of opening the window 571 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:39,967 and throwing himself out. 572 00:29:39,967 --> 00:29:42,688 - Virginia Woolf did make use of her mental breakdowns 573 00:29:42,688 --> 00:29:44,565 when she wrote 'Mrs. Dalloway'. 574 00:29:44,565 --> 00:29:46,505 She gave to Septimus. Warren Smith, 575 00:29:46,505 --> 00:29:49,039 the same mad experiences that she had had. 576 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,979 hearing the birds singing and in Greek, for example, 577 00:29:51,979 --> 00:29:53,230 in the trees. 578 00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:55,482 And what she was doing was identifying 579 00:29:55,482 --> 00:29:57,610 with someone utterly different from herself 580 00:29:57,610 --> 00:30:01,676 and recognizing the breakdown as a misery. 581 00:30:01,676 --> 00:30:05,492 - [Narrator] But he would wait till the very last moment. 582 00:30:05,492 --> 00:30:07,557 He did not want to die. 583 00:30:07,557 --> 00:30:10,623 - She treats Septimus Warren Smith's suicide 584 00:30:10,623 --> 00:30:11,843 as a kind of triumph. 585 00:30:11,843 --> 00:30:14,283 He refuses to give into the doctors 586 00:30:14,283 --> 00:30:17,160 who want to shut him away from those he loved 587 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,039 and those who the doctor who wants to treat him 588 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,011 as a set of symptoms rather than as a person. 589 00:30:24,011 --> 00:30:27,264 - [Narrator] There he lay with a thud, thud, thud 590 00:30:27,264 --> 00:30:31,522 in his brain and then a suffocation of blackness. 591 00:30:32,926 --> 00:30:34,678 - She always writes in this voice 592 00:30:34,678 --> 00:30:36,409 which tries to get in and out 593 00:30:37,587 --> 00:30:40,371 of people's minds and feelings. 594 00:30:40,371 --> 00:30:44,281 And if you say, I, if you write a first person novel, 595 00:30:44,281 --> 00:30:46,659 you cut yourself off from doing that. 596 00:30:46,659 --> 00:30:48,567 So she never does that. 597 00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:50,475 There is no I in the fiction, 598 00:30:50,475 --> 00:30:53,885 there is plenty of I in the essays 599 00:30:53,885 --> 00:30:56,950 and in in the letters and the diaries, 600 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:58,139 but not in the fiction. 601 00:30:58,139 --> 00:31:00,860 - [Narrator] We began our printing off this afternoon 602 00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:04,802 and we printed 300 copies of the first page of Prelude. 603 00:31:04,802 --> 00:31:06,585 But we should be glad of another press. 604 00:31:06,585 --> 00:31:09,025 - The Hogarth Press was started actually 605 00:31:09,025 --> 00:31:12,466 as a sort of a therapeutic hobby 606 00:31:12,466 --> 00:31:15,062 that Leonard Woolf thought would be really good 607 00:31:15,062 --> 00:31:19,598 at a time when Virginia Woolf had been ill. 608 00:31:19,598 --> 00:31:22,100 So they bought this small hand press 609 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:25,447 and some type in 1915 610 00:31:25,447 --> 00:31:28,388 and then nothing really happened for a couple of years 611 00:31:28,388 --> 00:31:30,327 because she was so ill. 612 00:31:30,327 --> 00:31:32,986 And then they started printing by hand, 613 00:31:32,986 --> 00:31:36,803 small, short essays and stories. 614 00:31:36,803 --> 00:31:39,461 So what's remarkable about the Hogarth Press is two things. 615 00:31:39,461 --> 00:31:41,338 One, it started as this very small, 616 00:31:41,338 --> 00:31:43,340 rather amateurish operation 617 00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:45,374 on the kitchen table in Richmond. 618 00:31:45,374 --> 00:31:49,878 And it grew into one of the most important, influential 619 00:31:49,878 --> 00:31:53,538 radical publishing houses in England. 620 00:31:53,538 --> 00:31:54,977 The other thing it did, of course, 621 00:31:54,977 --> 00:31:58,293 was to free her from the constraints 622 00:31:58,293 --> 00:32:02,829 of having to write under the thumb 623 00:32:02,829 --> 00:32:05,081 of another publisher. 624 00:32:05,081 --> 00:32:06,426 Who in the first instance, 625 00:32:06,426 --> 00:32:09,147 the publisher of her first two novels 626 00:32:09,147 --> 00:32:12,119 was her half brother, Duckworth, 627 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,529 whom she had had unpleasant relationship with 628 00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:17,656 in her childhood. 629 00:32:17,656 --> 00:32:19,408 - [Narrator] I have worked very methodically 630 00:32:19,408 --> 00:32:21,941 and done my due of articles 631 00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:26,759 so that with luck I shall have made 320 pounds by journalism 632 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:30,262 and I suppose at least 300 pounds by my novel this year. 633 00:32:30,262 --> 00:32:33,390 - She was very proud that her books earned money 634 00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:37,488 and she writes with great energy about the importance 635 00:32:37,488 --> 00:32:40,366 of her independent income for women writers, 636 00:32:40,366 --> 00:32:43,338 it's one of the key stories of her life 637 00:32:43,338 --> 00:32:45,621 that women needed to earn money 638 00:32:45,621 --> 00:32:48,875 in order to be free of constrictions. 639 00:32:48,875 --> 00:32:50,908 - [Narrator] The history of men's opposition 640 00:32:50,908 --> 00:32:54,411 to women's emancipation is more interesting perhaps 641 00:32:54,411 --> 00:32:57,289 than the story of that emancipation itself. 642 00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:58,697 - So her childhood, 643 00:32:58,697 --> 00:33:00,553 the conditions of her childhood 644 00:33:01,763 --> 00:33:03,952 affected her feeling, 645 00:33:03,952 --> 00:33:06,893 as she came into the public and social world, 646 00:33:06,893 --> 00:33:10,334 about the radical injustices to women 647 00:33:10,334 --> 00:33:12,867 who couldn't vote, couldn't own property, 648 00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:15,245 who were the possessions of their husbands 649 00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:19,092 and whose writing was done, historically, 650 00:33:19,092 --> 00:33:21,313 under tremendous difficulties. 651 00:33:21,313 --> 00:33:23,910 - [Narrator] We went to a meeting called a suffrage rally 652 00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:25,849 in Kingsway this afternoon. 653 00:33:25,849 --> 00:33:27,882 The hall was fairly well filled, 654 00:33:27,882 --> 00:33:31,886 the audience almost wholly women as the speakers were too. 655 00:33:31,886 --> 00:33:34,577 - So she wrote two main books about this, 656 00:33:34,577 --> 00:33:36,579 one in the twenties and one in the thirties. 657 00:33:36,579 --> 00:33:38,956 The first one was 'A Room of One's Own', 658 00:33:38,956 --> 00:33:41,427 which is an extremely famous, long-lasting 659 00:33:41,427 --> 00:33:46,026 and influential essay about women writers 660 00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:48,184 and it's also about education for women. 661 00:33:48,184 --> 00:33:50,342 It started it's life as two lectures 662 00:33:50,342 --> 00:33:54,127 for women undergraduates at Cambridge. 663 00:33:54,127 --> 00:33:56,692 - [Narrator] Thank God, my long toil at the women's lecture 664 00:33:56,692 --> 00:33:58,507 is this moment ended. 665 00:33:58,507 --> 00:34:01,948 I'm back from speaking at Girton in floods of rain. 666 00:34:01,948 --> 00:34:05,326 Starved but valiant young women. That's my impression. 667 00:34:05,326 --> 00:34:07,078 Intelligent, eager, poor, 668 00:34:07,078 --> 00:34:09,928 and destined to become school mistresses and shoals. 669 00:34:10,832 --> 00:34:13,146 I blandly told them to drink wine 670 00:34:13,146 --> 00:34:15,482 and have a room of their own. 671 00:34:15,482 --> 00:34:19,100 - And in this she very whittily and charmingly 672 00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:24,001 and funnily describes the history of women writers 673 00:34:24,001 --> 00:34:27,505 and talks about ways in which women might be free. 674 00:34:27,505 --> 00:34:31,071 - She lays bare the structure of society 675 00:34:31,071 --> 00:34:35,043 as it is constructed along gender lines 676 00:34:35,043 --> 00:34:36,764 as in 'A Room of One's Own' 677 00:34:36,764 --> 00:34:41,456 or along economic lines and gender lines, the patriarchy, 678 00:34:41,456 --> 00:34:43,802 in her later book 'Three Guineas'. 679 00:34:43,802 --> 00:34:46,461 - [Narrator] L Gravely approves three guineas, 680 00:34:46,461 --> 00:34:49,308 thinks it's an extremely clear analysis. 681 00:34:49,308 --> 00:34:54,187 - In the context of the gathering fascist movement in Europe 682 00:34:54,187 --> 00:34:56,064 and indeed in this country. 683 00:34:56,064 --> 00:35:00,287 She writes a much angrier, much less palatable essay 684 00:35:00,287 --> 00:35:03,541 called 'Three Guineas' in the late 30's 685 00:35:03,541 --> 00:35:07,044 where she makes an equation 686 00:35:07,044 --> 00:35:12,018 between the patriarchal tyranny of the Victorian household 687 00:35:12,018 --> 00:35:14,989 and what is happening in the fascists movement. 688 00:35:14,989 --> 00:35:19,901 So she draws a very bold and very angry comparison 689 00:35:19,901 --> 00:35:22,653 between the kind of fathers 690 00:35:22,653 --> 00:35:24,874 that existed in Victorian families 691 00:35:24,874 --> 00:35:27,314 who prevented their daughters from having an education 692 00:35:27,314 --> 00:35:28,534 or going out to work. 693 00:35:28,534 --> 00:35:31,068 And the way in which someone like Mussolini 694 00:35:31,068 --> 00:35:35,792 was encouraging a macho 695 00:35:35,792 --> 00:35:39,629 war-like aggressive, repressive 696 00:35:43,049 --> 00:35:45,461 way of thinking about the world. 697 00:35:45,461 --> 00:35:48,415 (speaking German) 698 00:35:50,994 --> 00:35:54,936 - She expresses her horror at the violence, 699 00:35:54,936 --> 00:35:56,906 both domestic and military, 700 00:35:56,906 --> 00:36:01,567 that men have perpetrated over all the centuries, 701 00:36:01,567 --> 00:36:03,976 that women had to go far beyond the vote 702 00:36:03,976 --> 00:36:08,699 if they were ever going to achieve or do down 703 00:36:08,699 --> 00:36:12,891 that brutal society that destroys so many lives. 704 00:36:12,891 --> 00:36:15,644 - You have only to look around the world now 705 00:36:15,644 --> 00:36:20,023 to see that 'Three Guineas' is a book of great importance 706 00:36:20,023 --> 00:36:22,025 and necessity to us still. 707 00:36:22,025 --> 00:36:23,183 - [Narrator] I am pleased this morning 708 00:36:23,183 --> 00:36:26,280 because Lady Rhonda writes that she is profoundly excited 709 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,594 and moved by the 'Three Guineas', 710 00:36:28,594 --> 00:36:31,316 A good omen because this shows that certain people 711 00:36:31,316 --> 00:36:34,569 will be stirred, will think, will discuss. 712 00:36:34,569 --> 00:36:37,259 It won't altogether be fritted away, 713 00:36:37,259 --> 00:36:40,012 but as the whole of Europe may be in flames, 714 00:36:40,012 --> 00:36:41,576 it's on the cards. 715 00:36:41,576 --> 00:36:43,578 One more shot at a policeman 716 00:36:43,578 --> 00:36:47,770 and the Germans, Czechs, French will begin the old horror. 717 00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:51,242 - And I think one of the politically impressive things 718 00:36:51,242 --> 00:36:54,276 about Woolf is the way that she's open 719 00:36:54,276 --> 00:36:56,841 to all kinds of different friendships. 720 00:36:56,841 --> 00:36:59,125 The marriage is there throughout her life 721 00:36:59,125 --> 00:37:03,567 as a very strong base, but she's going to have adventures, 722 00:37:03,567 --> 00:37:06,163 emotional and intellectual adventures. 723 00:37:06,163 --> 00:37:10,073 One of the most intense and dramatic of these 724 00:37:10,073 --> 00:37:12,013 was with Vita Sackville-West. 725 00:37:12,013 --> 00:37:15,704 - Well, Vita Sackville-West came into Virginia Woolf's life 726 00:37:15,704 --> 00:37:17,831 at the end of 1922 727 00:37:17,831 --> 00:37:20,459 and she had admired Virginia Woolf's writing 728 00:37:20,459 --> 00:37:22,742 and she asked Clive Bell, 729 00:37:22,742 --> 00:37:24,463 who was Virginia Woolf's brother-in-law, 730 00:37:24,463 --> 00:37:27,278 the husband of her sister, Vanessa Bell, 731 00:37:27,278 --> 00:37:30,375 to introduce her to Virginia. 732 00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:33,659 - [Narrator] I am too muzzy headed to make out anything. 733 00:37:33,659 --> 00:37:35,536 This is partly the result of dining 734 00:37:35,536 --> 00:37:39,353 to meet the lovely, gifted aristocrat Sackville-West 735 00:37:39,353 --> 00:37:40,948 last night at Clive's. 736 00:37:40,948 --> 00:37:44,420 Knows everyone, but could I ever know her? 737 00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:46,203 I am to dine her on Tuesday. 738 00:37:46,203 --> 00:37:48,831 The aristocratic manner is something like an actresses, 739 00:37:48,831 --> 00:37:51,490 no false shyness or modesty. 740 00:37:51,490 --> 00:37:55,243 Makes me feel virgin, shy, and school girlish. 741 00:37:55,243 --> 00:37:57,183 - Who unlike Virginia Woolf, 742 00:37:57,183 --> 00:38:00,311 was a known saphist as this was then called. 743 00:38:00,311 --> 00:38:04,597 And she had all kinds of spectacular affairs with women. 744 00:38:04,597 --> 00:38:06,599 She too was married and had a long 745 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:08,006 and friendly companionship 746 00:38:08,006 --> 00:38:09,852 with her husband Harold Nicholson. 747 00:38:09,852 --> 00:38:11,823 - [Narrator] Vita comes to lunch tomorrow, 748 00:38:11,823 --> 00:38:14,826 which will be a great amusement and pleasure. 749 00:38:14,826 --> 00:38:17,140 I'm amused at my relations with her, 750 00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:20,675 left so ardent in January, and now what? 751 00:38:20,675 --> 00:38:23,678 Also I like her presence and her beauty. 752 00:38:23,678 --> 00:38:27,745 Am I in love with her? But what is love? 753 00:38:27,745 --> 00:38:32,937 - And was only after two or three years of the first meeting 754 00:38:32,937 --> 00:38:35,599 that they became in any sense intimate. 755 00:38:36,566 --> 00:38:39,416 And of course as the world now knows, 756 00:38:40,789 --> 00:38:42,822 they became lovers. 757 00:38:42,822 --> 00:38:44,824 - And they did clearly have an affair. 758 00:38:44,824 --> 00:38:47,515 - Almost immediately there was this 759 00:38:47,515 --> 00:38:49,958 great sense of attraction. 760 00:38:51,143 --> 00:38:55,460 Virginia notes in her diary about Vita, 761 00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:58,432 somewhat dismissively at the same time 762 00:38:58,432 --> 00:39:00,997 as you can sense this great attraction. 763 00:39:00,997 --> 00:39:03,249 - And quite critical of Vita as well. 764 00:39:03,249 --> 00:39:06,627 She calls her donkey west. She thinks she's stupid. 765 00:39:06,627 --> 00:39:08,160 She thinks she's a bit thick. 766 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,131 She's a sort of thick aristocrat 767 00:39:10,131 --> 00:39:11,758 as far as Virginia Woolf's concerned. 768 00:39:11,758 --> 00:39:14,197 She's very rude to her, very critical of her. 769 00:39:14,197 --> 00:39:17,107 And all that comes out in her book 'Orlando'. 770 00:39:17,107 --> 00:39:19,515 - [Narrator] And instantly the usual exciting devices 771 00:39:19,515 --> 00:39:23,332 enter my mind, a biography beginning the year 1500 772 00:39:23,332 --> 00:39:27,425 and continuing to the present day called 'Orlando'. 773 00:39:27,425 --> 00:39:31,465 - Which of course was a biography, 774 00:39:31,465 --> 00:39:35,406 she called it, of Vita. 775 00:39:35,406 --> 00:39:40,036 But in a most fantastic method 776 00:39:40,036 --> 00:39:42,882 that 'Orlando' starts off as a boy 777 00:39:42,882 --> 00:39:47,012 and halfway through the book changes into a woman, 778 00:39:47,012 --> 00:39:49,702 but has still the same character. 779 00:39:49,702 --> 00:39:53,768 And it was the character of course, of Vita herself. 780 00:39:53,768 --> 00:39:56,771 And the book really forms the longest 781 00:39:56,771 --> 00:39:58,586 and most charming love letter 782 00:39:58,586 --> 00:40:00,591 in the whole of English literature. 783 00:40:01,557 --> 00:40:04,623 - [Narrator] Here is a whole nervous breakdown in miniature. 784 00:40:04,623 --> 00:40:08,439 Wednesday, only wish to be alone in the open air. 785 00:40:08,439 --> 00:40:11,943 Thursday, no pleasure in life whatsoever. 786 00:40:11,943 --> 00:40:15,040 Friday, sense of physical tiredness, 787 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,135 but slight activity of the brain. 788 00:40:17,135 --> 00:40:21,890 - Virginia Woolf suffered from mental illness, 789 00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:26,551 which at one point was called neurasthenia, 790 00:40:26,551 --> 00:40:29,523 came to be called manic depression, 791 00:40:29,523 --> 00:40:34,736 would now be called bipolar, a bipolar state. 792 00:40:34,747 --> 00:40:38,010 So she would have periods of 793 00:40:40,096 --> 00:40:43,818 extreme intense activity and elation 794 00:40:43,818 --> 00:40:46,071 and she would have periods in which she sank 795 00:40:46,071 --> 00:40:49,887 into deep depression and anxiety. 796 00:40:49,887 --> 00:40:53,484 At their worst, these involved suicide attempts. 797 00:40:53,484 --> 00:40:56,925 She suffered from fantastically bad headache, 798 00:40:56,925 --> 00:40:58,646 terrible headaches. 799 00:40:58,646 --> 00:40:59,928 - [Narrator] I've been in bed a week 800 00:40:59,928 --> 00:41:02,556 with a sudden and very sharp headache. 801 00:41:02,556 --> 00:41:06,497 And this is written experimentally to test my brain. 802 00:41:06,497 --> 00:41:11,096 - And one of the ironies of the treatment of mental illness 803 00:41:11,096 --> 00:41:16,309 in the late teens, early twenties was to rest completely. 804 00:41:16,695 --> 00:41:20,980 And so sometimes when Virginia Woolf was most fragile, 805 00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,327 she was kept on a milk diet 806 00:41:23,327 --> 00:41:26,392 and doing absolutely no work at all. 807 00:41:26,392 --> 00:41:30,427 And that was actually more dangerous in a certain way 808 00:41:30,427 --> 00:41:32,242 than actually overworked. 809 00:41:32,242 --> 00:41:35,777 - It's extremely hard to tell from the evidence 810 00:41:35,777 --> 00:41:38,634 that you can put together 811 00:41:39,749 --> 00:41:41,908 of her conditions, 812 00:41:41,908 --> 00:41:45,474 whether actually some of the phases 813 00:41:45,474 --> 00:41:47,757 of the hallucination 814 00:41:47,757 --> 00:41:50,979 or some of the physical symptoms 815 00:41:50,979 --> 00:41:53,920 that accompanied her depressions 816 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,111 might have been the results of the drugs she was given. 817 00:41:58,111 --> 00:42:03,148 - She herself had had such dire experiences 818 00:42:03,148 --> 00:42:07,120 at the hands of the doctors trying to treat her 819 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,247 after her breakdown, 820 00:42:09,247 --> 00:42:12,845 after her mother's death, after her father's death 821 00:42:12,845 --> 00:42:14,659 and at other points 822 00:42:14,659 --> 00:42:19,508 that she consciously 823 00:42:19,508 --> 00:42:23,105 or unconsciously associated Freud 824 00:42:23,105 --> 00:42:28,319 and the claim for science that psychoanalysis gave itself 825 00:42:28,673 --> 00:42:32,364 with those doctors who, 826 00:42:32,364 --> 00:42:35,993 from their superior position as men of science, 827 00:42:35,993 --> 00:42:39,152 had said what was wrong with her 828 00:42:39,152 --> 00:42:42,468 and what could be good for her. 829 00:42:42,468 --> 00:42:45,596 Neither of which corresponded 830 00:42:45,596 --> 00:42:48,287 with anything of her own sense of herself 831 00:42:48,287 --> 00:42:50,414 and her own sense of her experience. 832 00:42:50,414 --> 00:42:51,853 - She was never psychoanalyzed. 833 00:42:51,853 --> 00:42:53,292 She didn't want to be psychoanalyzed. 834 00:42:53,292 --> 00:42:56,732 And although Leonard, at the Hogarth Press, and she 835 00:42:56,732 --> 00:43:00,799 were publishing the translations of Freud, 836 00:43:00,799 --> 00:43:04,428 the place was littered with volumes of Freud in translation, 837 00:43:04,428 --> 00:43:06,805 which for years and years and years, she didn't pick up. 838 00:43:06,805 --> 00:43:09,495 She wasn't interested in it and she was resistant to 839 00:43:09,495 --> 00:43:12,060 because she clearly was extremely anxious 840 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:17,003 that psychoanalysis or reading Freud would somehow 841 00:43:17,003 --> 00:43:20,757 stop her from functioning or make her too aware of herself. 842 00:43:20,757 --> 00:43:23,572 So one of the very interesting things that happens 843 00:43:23,572 --> 00:43:28,580 very late in her life is that she starts reading Freud. 844 00:43:29,484 --> 00:43:31,611 - [Narrator] It was only the other day when I read Freud 845 00:43:31,611 --> 00:43:34,176 for the first time that I discovered 846 00:43:34,176 --> 00:43:38,055 that this violently disturbing conflict of love and hate 847 00:43:38,055 --> 00:43:43,029 is a common feeling and it is called ambivalence. 848 00:43:43,029 --> 00:43:47,638 - And although their views of what was wrong with the world 849 00:43:49,786 --> 00:43:52,976 for him, the patriarchy breaking down 850 00:43:52,976 --> 00:43:58,190 and for her, the loss of any kind of a mother 851 00:43:58,450 --> 00:44:03,581 of motherly values, I mean they were not of a mind. 852 00:44:03,581 --> 00:44:06,521 But I think that there was real sympathy 853 00:44:06,521 --> 00:44:10,650 and probably real mutual understanding and respect. 854 00:44:10,650 --> 00:44:12,364 - [Narrator] I have seen Marie Stopes, 855 00:44:12,364 --> 00:44:14,623 Princesse de Polignac, Philip and Pippin Woolf 856 00:44:14,623 --> 00:44:16,941 and Dr. Freud in the last three days. 857 00:44:17,814 --> 00:44:20,444 Dr. Freud gave me a narcissus. 858 00:44:22,349 --> 00:44:25,884 - I think the last couple of years of Virginia Woolf's life 859 00:44:25,884 --> 00:44:28,731 were really harrowing in many ways. 860 00:44:28,731 --> 00:44:32,610 - [Narrator] They came very close, we lay down under a tree. 861 00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:36,395 The sound was like someone soaring in the air just above us. 862 00:44:36,395 --> 00:44:39,085 We lay flat on our faces, hands behind head, 863 00:44:39,085 --> 00:44:41,024 don't close your teeth at L. 864 00:44:41,024 --> 00:44:43,996 They seemed to be soaring at something stationary. 865 00:44:43,996 --> 00:44:46,762 Bombs shook the windows of my lodge. 866 00:44:46,762 --> 00:44:51,316 I thought, I think of nothingness, flatness, 867 00:44:51,316 --> 00:44:54,913 my mood being flat, some fear I suppose. 868 00:44:54,913 --> 00:44:59,637 - There were shortages, food, petrol, all of that. 869 00:45:00,575 --> 00:45:02,296 Their house was bombed in London, 870 00:45:02,296 --> 00:45:04,798 bombed to smithereens, in Tavistock Square, 871 00:45:04,798 --> 00:45:07,269 When they went up to salvage what they could 872 00:45:07,269 --> 00:45:08,896 in a blitzed London. 873 00:45:08,896 --> 00:45:10,992 - [Narrator] Back from half a day in London, 874 00:45:10,992 --> 00:45:13,213 perhaps our strangest visit, 875 00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:15,590 Mecklenburg Square roped off, 876 00:45:15,590 --> 00:45:17,748 warden's there, not allowed in. 877 00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:20,157 The house about 30 yards from ours 878 00:45:20,157 --> 00:45:24,662 struck at one this morning by a bomb, completely ruined. 879 00:45:24,662 --> 00:45:27,321 Another bomb in the square still unexploded. 880 00:45:27,321 --> 00:45:30,042 That is a great pile of bricks. 881 00:45:30,042 --> 00:45:31,669 Underneath all the people 882 00:45:31,669 --> 00:45:33,702 who'd gone down to their shelter. 883 00:45:33,702 --> 00:45:35,985 - The things she rescued were her diaries, 884 00:45:35,985 --> 00:45:37,643 the volumes of her diaries. 885 00:45:37,643 --> 00:45:40,396 Partly because she was writing about her childhood. 886 00:45:40,396 --> 00:45:42,648 She was writing a memoir, 887 00:45:42,648 --> 00:45:47,059 which I think she found both painful and also consoling. 888 00:45:47,059 --> 00:45:48,529 She was finishing a novel 889 00:45:48,529 --> 00:45:50,969 and that was always a very perilous moment for her. 890 00:45:50,969 --> 00:45:54,973 The novel was about a country on the brink of war. 891 00:45:54,973 --> 00:45:57,225 And she thought it was hopeless. 892 00:45:57,225 --> 00:45:59,353 She often thought her own work was hopeless. 893 00:45:59,353 --> 00:46:02,731 She sank into a tremendous depression about that. 894 00:46:02,731 --> 00:46:07,173 There was a real sense of imminent invasion. 895 00:46:07,173 --> 00:46:09,926 They knew that because Leonard was Jewish 896 00:46:09,926 --> 00:46:12,929 and they were both radicals and socialists 897 00:46:12,929 --> 00:46:17,388 and had written against Nazism, 898 00:46:18,372 --> 00:46:20,905 they knew very well that they would be on, 899 00:46:20,905 --> 00:46:23,661 as indeed they were, on Hitler's blacklist. 900 00:46:24,565 --> 00:46:28,569 So they had discussed suicide very rationally 901 00:46:28,569 --> 00:46:31,228 in the event of invasion. 902 00:46:31,228 --> 00:46:34,169 - [Narrator] But though L says he has petrol in the garage 903 00:46:34,169 --> 00:46:38,298 for suicide should Hitler win, we go on. 904 00:46:38,298 --> 00:46:41,833 It's the vastness and the smallness 905 00:46:41,833 --> 00:46:43,678 that makes this possible. 906 00:46:43,678 --> 00:46:46,368 - I hadn't realized the impact 907 00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:49,903 that the war, that stage of the war had on her. 908 00:46:49,903 --> 00:46:52,937 I mean this strain of the feeling, 909 00:46:52,937 --> 00:46:55,690 the bombs, going to be invaded and all that. 910 00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:59,694 I mean, she and Leonard had decided to blow themselves up 911 00:46:59,694 --> 00:47:04,637 in their garage if Hitler invaded England, quite literally. 912 00:47:04,637 --> 00:47:06,722 - And I think all these different things 913 00:47:08,234 --> 00:47:10,830 created a situation for her, 914 00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:13,802 which she couldn't see a way out of. 915 00:47:13,802 --> 00:47:17,337 So I think that her suicide 916 00:47:17,337 --> 00:47:20,402 on a cold day in March in 1941 917 00:47:20,402 --> 00:47:23,155 was a decision, 918 00:47:23,155 --> 00:47:28,369 not something that she did without mental control. 919 00:47:28,629 --> 00:47:30,506 - I hadn't realized that she felt 920 00:47:30,506 --> 00:47:33,655 that she was going to go mad again. 921 00:47:33,655 --> 00:47:38,869 So that this, although we were living close by at the time, 922 00:47:39,766 --> 00:47:42,737 and I saw her a few days before it happened 923 00:47:42,737 --> 00:47:45,521 and I realized that she was under the weather. 924 00:47:45,521 --> 00:47:50,735 And she made this sort of tremendous demand for love 925 00:47:50,777 --> 00:47:53,404 that she was in habit of making, rather. 926 00:47:53,404 --> 00:47:55,093 I mean, she would, particularly, 927 00:47:55,093 --> 00:47:58,440 I think just because I was an undemonstrative child, 928 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,694 she would quite often say, but Angelica, don't you love me? 929 00:48:01,694 --> 00:48:04,037 Don't you adore me? Do you know you hate me? 930 00:48:04,037 --> 00:48:05,232 You don't like me at all. 931 00:48:05,232 --> 00:48:07,012 This sort of way of going on. 932 00:48:07,012 --> 00:48:09,107 But she did it particularly on that day. 933 00:48:09,107 --> 00:48:12,145 And of course, I mean, as I remember it, 934 00:48:15,279 --> 00:48:19,231 I was particularly cold and undemonstrative on that day. 935 00:48:19,231 --> 00:48:24,445 (somber music) (water trickling) 936 00:48:32,725 --> 00:48:35,477 And then the next thing I heard, 937 00:48:35,477 --> 00:48:38,053 a telephone call to say that 938 00:48:39,263 --> 00:48:41,395 she had drowned herself. 939 00:48:41,395 --> 00:48:46,608 (somber music) (water trickling)70486

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