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In this episode of American Greed, how
WeWork went wild.
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The story of an office space company
with cosmic ambitions.
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WeWork is using desks and co -working to
enter into the larger category of life.
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A CEO with a messianic vibe.
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He can manifest anything.
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He can literally make things appear out
of thin air.
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And the investors who gave him $12
billion and turned a blind eye.
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He was like the cocaine that Silicon
Valley venture capitalists were just
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waiting to snort.
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American greed has the inside scoop on
how the company nearly collapsed.
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The partying.
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He's like jumping there, like pumping
fists, like, you know. And I'm like,
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he's like the CEO and the second in
command of my job.
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The promises.
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You have Willy Wonka's golden ticket.
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You're at the next Facebook or the next
Google.
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The dashed hopes.
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You expected me to be a gazillionaire,
right? And now you're basically, you got
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nothing. And how some of the responsible
parties walked away richer than ever.
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Adam Neumann is getting a massive
payout. $1 .7 billion while his workers
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getting laid off. That hurts.
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No one else in the world gets passes the
way CEOs get passes.
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You, my friend, are full of...
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Madison
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Square Garden.
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The legendary venue has hosted the
world's biggest pop stars over the
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But in January 2018, the Garden stages a
different kind of star.
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Here comes Adam. When he's like thick,
thick, got his long wavy hair, he's
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usually got a black leather coat or a
white T -shirt. He comes out and he just
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takes over the room. Hello, New York.
Hello, global citizens of this earth.
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It's Adam Neumann.
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The founder and CEO of co -working
company WeWork.
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Newman has gathered 6 ,000 employees,
including Don Lewis, for a WeWork Global
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Summit. It's a corporate retreat. It
feels a bit like a revival meeting.
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He gives off positive energy.
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He makes you feel alive. And he sounds
like he truly believes in what he is
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saying. When you do something that comes
from the heart, when you find your
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passion, you bring it together with
intention.
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It's like when you turn on that TV
channel and there's like some
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and they call someone up and they touch
someone on the head and like, oh, you're
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cured of cancer. Like it was almost that
bad.
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After a while, Lewis needs to stretch.
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And I go to stand on a wall and a
security guard for the Maddox Square
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place comes and stands next to me. He's
an older black man. He must have been
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about. 70 years old.
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Hey, you work for this company? He said,
what do they do? Like, what do you do?
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And I'm like, well, you know, they give
office space to people all over the
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world and they try to help companies,
you know, come together. And he's like,
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well, this is quite a presentation.
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And then get a little further along the
conversation. He's like, brother, can I
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ask you a serious question?
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And I said, sure, ask whatever you want.
Is this some kind of cult?
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I actually started laughing.
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Why is the security guard asking
questions that billionaire venture
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are not?
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Adam Neumann's story begins in Israel on
a kibbutz, where he spends his middle
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school years living with his older
sister, Adi, and his mother, who is a
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He loved aspects of the kibbutz life,
but he thought it was inherently unfair
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because everything was shared. Even
people...
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From the kibbutz days, he said he wanted
more.
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He was very, even then, focused on sort
of attaining wealth and thinking really
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big.
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Adi, on the left, grows up to become a
famous model.
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And in this Israeli TV footage never
before seen in America, Adam says he's
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going to follow his sister to New York.
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Rocking a look fit for Soho, Adam and
Adi shove off for the Big Apple and move
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into a high -rise downtown.
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Later, he will say that at first, he
finds New Yorkers self -absorbed and
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unwelcoming.
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and I would go up and down the elevators
with 15 floors, and I would notice that
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no one would say hello to me in the
elevator. And I asked my sister, I said,
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this an American thing, or do people
really not want to talk?
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Adam says he challenges Adi to a game.
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Whoever makes more friends in a month
wins.
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Let's each find one apartment that we
can go unannounced, because being
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you're used to just going to your
friends, knocking on the door and
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Unannounced, and we'll have a cup of
coffee.
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And for the next month, we all
introduced ourselves to different. It
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floors. She got 12 floors.
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I got three floors. She also was a
supermodel at the time.
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And it's okay.
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In the story, he's technically the
loser.
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But he tells it with the je ne sais quoi
of a winner.
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and thereby trumpets one of his
extraordinary talents.
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He is a complete genius at connecting.
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People who would be in the apartment at
the time, people who lived in the
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apartment, say that, you know, Adam,
even then, was always, like, you'd come
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into his apartment, he's like, let me
tell you about this business idea that I
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have.
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Newman launches two businesses that
fail, and he finds himself with the ball
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chain of a lease at this building in
Brooklyn.
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Around this time, through mutual
friends, Newman meets a young architect
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Miguel McKelvey.
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He and Adam would go on these long walks
and just sort of brainstorm ideas.
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Adam was, you know, always just
restless, always hungering for the next
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thing. Adam knew that co -working
existed.
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And he started saying, what if we just
took one of these floors of this
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that we're working in? We could
subdivide it. We think it could be a
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business.
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Newman is encouraged by his wife,
Rebecca, who will later portray Adam's
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potential in heroic, even mystical
terms.
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Oh, yeah. When I met my husband, he
couldn't buy me dinner or even afford a
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taxi. Really? I just knew that he was
going to be the man that was going to
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hopefully help save the world. He can
manifest anything.
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He can literally make things appear out
of thin air.
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Never seen anything like it. Wow. Yeah.
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With Rebecca at his side, telling him to
shoot for the moon, Newman and McKelvey
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strike out on their own. They call their
new venture WeWork.
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It really felt like the start of an era.
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Lisa Skye is WeWork's second employee.
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That means she does a little bit of
everything.
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I was the founding community manager is
what I have on my LinkedIn profile.
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But that meant I was responsible for
sales, tours, billing through our
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QuickBooks software system, IT because
my IT person was in high school at that
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time. So I was in the data closet
connecting the wires to make sure people
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get their Internet use because that's
most important. And whatever needed to
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done, that's what I was doing.
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It was really intense. It was around the
clock.
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But people, you know, felt like they
were all together building something
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WeWork signs long -term leases with
landlords, usually for large urban
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Then they subdivide the space into small
glass -walled units.
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They'll make money as long as they pay
less in rent to the landlord than they
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collect from all their tenants, which
WeWork calls members.
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Why would you take out a five -year
lease or a ten -year lease? We'll give
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month -to -month lease. We're going to
take care of the receptionist. We're
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going to take care of the coffee.
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I used to say you have a bigger
commitment to your cell phone than you
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They'll charge you a $150 cancellation
fee. We'll just let you go at 30 days'
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notice and give you your deposit back.
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And the second part of it was they were
selling the coolness of the space. They
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were selling the vibe.
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The common space, you know, kind of
looked like a rainforest.
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Justin Zen runs a startup from his
kitchen, which happens to be in Hell's
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Kitchen. When he needs more space,
there's one obvious choice. The place
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startup dreams are made.
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They did a great job just selling that
pitch, right? If you don't want to be in
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a boring, you know, old -fashioned
office space, come to WeWork. We're
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make your life great.
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WeWork expands quickly, and a positive
buzz surrounds Adam Neumann. He starts
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hanging out with titans of high tech and
seeing how well they're living.
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Up next, does Adam Neumann think he's
the next Mark Zuckerberg?
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The social network came out. You know,
it's like the world was changing.
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Supposedly he watched that movie and was
like, this is awesome.
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I want to do this.
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WeWork is growing fast.
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But to keep growing in the world of New
York real estate, it will need cash.
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Lots of it.
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So the reason why WeWork became WeWork
and why Adam Neumann became Adam Neumann
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is because of venture capitalists.
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Venture capitalists provide a company
with seed money in its infancy. And if
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grows big, the VCs will see outrageous
returns.
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That's the story of one of venture
capital's most legendary players,
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Capital. And one of the very first deals
that they did is they backed a small
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company named eBay.
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And this thing paid out like crazy. It
ended up making $5 billion in profit.
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And so all of a sudden, everybody knows
who Benchmark is.
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In 2012, Adam Neumann gets word that a
benchmark partner named Bruce Dunleavy
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would like to meet him and take a tour.
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So Adam's very well known for giving
these tours of WeWork space.
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And he loved to give these to investors.
And it was part of his sales pitch
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basically to them.
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You know, come walk through the space.
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You'll see what this community really
is.
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A lot of folks talk about how Adam used
to activate the space, and what
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activating the space meant was that when
an investor would walk in to the
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building, all of a sudden there'd just
be this impromptu party.
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It was very calculated, but he always
sort of acted as if, this just happens
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the time.
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Essentially it was, get people on the
floor. We don't care how, we don't care
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what you do, just get people on the
floor.
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And investors in general were... odd
really walking around and that was the
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with bruce dunleavy he came he flew from
san francisco to new york he was
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skeptical it was a real estate company
venture capitalists would much rather
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invest in tech companies because tech
can scale up a friend of mine who's in
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tech refers to them as magic companies
because once you build the company once
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you build a search engine once you build
a way to sell ads on a search engine it
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just scales all across the world, and
you don't have to hire a bunch more
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every single time it gets bigger and
bigger and bigger. You just sort of let
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dollars stream in.
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Real estate is just a completely
fundamentally different model.
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You can't get around the fixed costs.
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There's only so much scale you can
possibly have.
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So we work as a real estate company,
right? There's no question about that.
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Like, they're renting real estate,
they're selling real estate. It's not
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a tech company.
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Who's your biggest...
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So we don't have clients, we have
members.
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Adam didn't have an MBA. He didn't know
finance, but he somehow figured
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out how to convince the top investors in
the whole world that this real estate
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business was a software business.
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Venture Capital likes to invest in
software as a service. So WeWork says,
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too, and positions itself as space as a
service.
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Newman also hypes an internal social
network designed to bring WeWork members
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together.
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Adam Newman is like an entrepreneur
cartoon character come to life.
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WeWork is using desk and co -working to
enter into the larger category of life.
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And when he talks about the world and
about his vision, he talks huge.
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You can be a member of WE. And with that
membership, you have access to physical
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space all over the world. You have
friends. You have colleagues. You have
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customers. He's building the world's
first physical social network. I don't
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know what that means. Nobody knows what
that means. But he's selling it.
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And benchmarks buying.
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They invest $17 million into WE work at
a critical time.
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The culture of WeWork at the beginning
of 2013 was a million miles an hour. For
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someone like me, I relished it. I loved
it.
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The pace was frantic. It was hair on
fire every single day. But part of that
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hair on fire culture, of course, is
camaraderie, right?
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Something blew up, let's figure out how
to fix it.
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Despite the frenetic pace and long
hours, the pay is below what many
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would expect.
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So the big dream, I think, for most
people was that there's going to be a
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gold at the end, right? Like, you know,
this place is going to go public and
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we're all going to be threats, right?
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I mean, the words rocket ship to
success, I think, was actually used in
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introduction meeting that that feeling
of like you have Willy Wonka's golden
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ticket. You are here in the right place
at the right time.
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You're at the next Facebook or the next
Google.
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Up next, work hard, play harder.
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What could possibly go wrong with Canoes
Full of Booze?
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In 2015, Adam Neumann visits CNBC
Studios and reiterates his idea that
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WeWork is not a real estate company.
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How fast are you growing?
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Very. What kind of numbers are we
talking about? We're talking about
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one of the fastest physical expansions
that has been seen for the past 10
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London, Tel Aviv, Amsterdam.
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But this is about workspace, right? If I
need a desk somewhere? This is much
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bigger than workspace. This is about
changing the way you work.
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But Adam was saying, no, no, no, no, no,
that's not the business. The real
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business is the community platform
behind it.
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It had a feel of being like a startup
incubator in a way.
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And WeWork knew that when you get a lot
of interesting people together, that
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interesting things happen.
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If I'm starting a business, I need a
great graphic designer, a good web
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developer, I need a PR team, I need a
lawyer, and I need someone to help me
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sales. And all of that put together is
what you can find inside of WeWork, both
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physically and virtually.
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I don't think the community is as close
as what they were pitching it to be.
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Justin Zen is disappointed after moving
his startup into a WeWork space.
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You know, there's three beer every day
at 4 .30. They literally wrote in a keg.
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Well, most people would take the beer
and they would go back to the office
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it.
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Zen has a way to confirm or refute his
drinking alone hunch.
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He applies his proprietary system of
data analytics to WeWork's highly touted
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social network.
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Zen finds out that almost 8 out of 10
WeWork members have never even logged
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And 5 of the top 10 users, with the most
followers, including Adam Neumann, are
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WeWork employees.
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So it's a social network where your main
users, they're just posting a lot
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because they're paid to do so.
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Zen publishes his data.
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Newman himself sees it and is not happy.
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The community manager told us, he said,
Adam, you know, he saw the blog post and
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management is upset and you have 30
minutes to leave. You're being kicked
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We were called Zen's analysis inaccurate
and incomplete.
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According to Zen, the community manager
says he has violated the, quote,
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community happiness clause.
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Obviously, they were the landlords, but
yeah, we thought it was a major
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overreaction.
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For Adam Neumann, commitment to WeWork
is all or nothing. And some former
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employees say that's especially true for
them.
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What was really sold, I think, that
energized a lot of people was this we
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concept. Anybody who understands the
sharing economy and that being part of
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something greater than yourself is
meaningful is a member of the we
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We were all told regularly that we're
all here to serve this greater purpose.
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It was we are going to do this in a way
that we're helping the world, we're
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helping community, we're helping the
little guy.
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They would say, like, you know, we're
like your family, your we family.
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So when you're spending time with people
you consider to be like family, it
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doesn't feel like work.
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They put the cult in culture was a
common saying.
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And that culture reaches full flower in
the woods upstate.
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It felt like being a little kid in some
ways.
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We all piled onto buses.
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Summer camp was literally like, you
know, some people just put it in a
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called like a music festival, right? But
it was just, it's literally like just
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party.
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People are drinking at 6 a .m. in the
morning, and I was like, oh, God, this
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where we're starting?
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From 4 p .m. to 4 a .m., there is
unlimited alcohol.
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Ice Cube performed once, Lin -Manuel
Miranda, Florence and the Machine.
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I think summer camp ultimately was great
as a marketing tool.
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Hey, I went to a festival for my company
where I saw The Weeknd play.
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But as an employee, I hated it. And it
was mandatory, so that was interesting.
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It felt like this requirement that I
didn't need.
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We were sleeping in a tent. Not that I
needed five -star accommodation, but
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had five -star accommodation.
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Newman's tent has air conditioning,
single malt scotch, and fine wine.
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Executives would stay on another part of
the island and would take a boat back
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and forth. We were essentially thrown in
pop -up tents with cots.
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All of this would not be possible
without all of you, so I just want to
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thank you so much.
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Despite the lofty all -for -one, one
-for -all rhetoric, by 2015, some
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conclude that WeWork is no kibbutz.
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And I remember specifically, I was on
the road, but people at the headquarters
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reached out to me and said, it's a
random Tuesday and Adam is throwing a
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party. They're drinking tequila and
they're like really having a good time.
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do you think is going on here?
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We clearly just raised a ton of money.
Something's about to happen.
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He's exactly right.
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After the initial investment from
Benchmark Capital, there are many more
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from other investors.
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The valuation of WeWork rises
exponentially with each raise, and Adam
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catches out.
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He sells equity and borrows against his
stock to the tune of $700 million,
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according to the Wall Street Journal.
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Though not illegal, cashing out of a
startup this early is unusual, according
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Maureen Farrell.
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It made Benchmark and other investors
uncomfortable that Adam Neumann was
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out so much money each step of the way.
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But not enough to block him from doing
so.
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Let's think about a certain group of
people, your investors.
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Are you going to IPO in the next year?
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So here's one of my investors happens to
be sitting in the front. He's a big fan
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of the IPO, came in very early. Yeah. I
would never want to do the math on his
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position. That might be why he smiles.
That's why he's smiling. See that big
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smile?
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And the crazy thing about investing is
you don't care about whether you have to
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own the thing for the next 20 or 30
years.
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You only care if you're going to be able
to sell it to the next guy for more
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than you paid for it.
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And Adam Neumann, Adam Neumann can make
you the next guy believe it's worth the
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world.
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Up next, enter the next guy, one of the
world's richest men, Masayoshi Son.
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I mean, he's a risk taker to the
extreme, as is Adam. I mean, they were a
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combustible combination.
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At WeWork's corporate headquarters, Adam
Neumann is expecting a very important
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visitor. It's Masayoshi San, known
simply as Masa, a Japanese billionaire
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one of the world's preeminent tech
investors.
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You either think that he's brilliant or
crazy or maybe both. Maybe you have to
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be both to make the kinds of gambles and
bets that he's made over his lifetime.
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Masa tells Neumann he's in New York to
meet the new president -elect.
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And on the way to Trump Tower, he'd like
to swing by WeWork.
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So Adam's planning it for days.
Everything has to be perfect.
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It's the whole tour.
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Adam, among other things, they asked
someone to make waffles. So it would
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really good inside.
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Martha keeps Newman waiting and pacing.
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The two hours he's blocked off are
dwindling fast.
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Turns out there will be no time for
maple syrup and whipped cream.
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Masa walks in the door and says, I've
got 12 minutes. Go.
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After a rushed tour, Masa tells Adam to
get in his car.
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So Adam goes with him, drives with him
30 -odd blocks to Trump Tower.
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Adam starts telling him more about his
plan for global WeWork nomination.
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Masa poses a question in a fight between
a smart person and a crazy person. Who
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wins?
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And Adam knew the right answer, which is
that it's the crazy person. It's the
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person willing to do anything. It's the
person willing to do what the other
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person doesn't expect.
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In the back of a car, Masayoshi's son
and Newman strike a $4 .4 billion deal,
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one of the largest capital investments
of all time.
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Newman is elated when he returns.
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And he runs in and is saying, $4 .4
billion.
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And everyone's kind of looking at him
like he's crazy.
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It was, frankly, more money than anyone
quite knew what to do with. And it was
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money that was going to make everyone
rich.
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All Newman has to do is live up to
Moss's vision of global domination.
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He's a risk taker to the extreme, as is
Adam. I mean, they were a
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combustible combination.
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Motha would literally say, you're not
crazy enough.
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And people around Adam Neumann were
like, oh, no, don't call him that.
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From that moment forward, any sort of
restraint that WeWork had was out the
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window because Adam now had the money to
do whatever he wanted and he had the
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permission.
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I mean.
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He was living large before the thought
bank investment.
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It just amps up to such an extreme.
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According to the Wall Street Journal,
the Newmans spend $90 million on six
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in Gramercy Park, Greenwich Village,
Westchester County, the Hamptons, and
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County, California.
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WeWork buys a brand new top -of -the
-line Gulfstream jet at a cost of $60
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million.
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Newman and his family use it to travel
the world on surf trips.
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His hairdresser would fly around with
him.
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It was just like a level of
extravagance. It's kind of unimaginable,
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paper billionaire.
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Around this time, Rebecca Newman is
appointed as WeWork's chief brand
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It all of a sudden became, oh, this is a
company founded by Adam.
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Rebecca, and there just happens to be
this guy named Miguel.
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But, you know, he does culture and
stuff.
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Don't worry about him. And she became a
face.
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We've got Rebecca Newman in the house.
Good to see you. Thank you so much for
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being here. I appreciate it. I'm in your
house, actually. This is the WeWork
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headquarters.
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Thanks for having me.
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Yeah, it's fun.
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And then it morphed into, well, I helped
co -found this company.
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And as one of the first hundred people
at that company, I will tell you
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up,
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Now, you are, just so I got it clear,
you are a founding partner and chief
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officer of WeWork, but also founder and
CEO of WeGrow.
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Exactly. And what is the mission of
WeGrow, just so I understand clearly?
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The mission of WeGrow and, quite
honestly, the collective we that we're
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living under is to elevate the world's
consciousness.
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At WeGrow, specifically through
unleashing every human superpower and
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happiness.
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Okay. This isn't just about work
anymore.
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This is about life. This is about
education.
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The curriculum focuses equally on the
mind, body, and spirit, and we're basing
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bunch of different pedagogies and then
creating our own on top of it.
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A curriculum that some WeGrow teachers
call whimsical.
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When the family returns from a surf
trip, Rebecca suggests WeGrow should
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surfing in New York City.
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To me as a former educator, I was a
special education teacher before I went
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the technology industry, to assume that
you could start school with no
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educational background and to assume
that you could just throw money at the
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problem and just change the way children
learn and live, it's kind of arrogant.
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Don Lewis recalls Rebecca explaining
WeGrow, where tuition ranges up to $42
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a year to a large group of employees.
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I remember this almost verbatim. It was
like, the New York City private schools
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aren't good enough for our children.
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The need to start a school came from my
husband and I not finding the right
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place to send my child.
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And I'm sitting there, and I'm like,
well, you're talking to a room of, like,
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,000 people right now. Some of them are
support staff.
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I'm assuming that some of them live in,
like, the South Bronx, where their kids
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go to elementary schools where there's
metal detectors.
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You know, it's a level of, like, really
tone deaf.
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Up next, why does Newman need a
Hollywood hype man?
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Okay, we'll give you an interview with
him, but Ashton Kutcher has to go along
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for the interview.
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We'll be right back.
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by a billionaire who tells him he's not
crazy enough, Adam Neumann puts WeWork's
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pedal to the metal. The pace at which
the buildings were opening, right? Just
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opening, opening, opening, opening,
opening, right?
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Some employees are feeling burned out.
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Tara Zumer is a WeWork assistant
community manager, and she says she
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from 8 in the morning until 10 at night.
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They used to say, like, well, you get to
stay at events. You get the opportunity
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of being here as if that was
compensation.
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And it's just not. I love being around
interesting people, but that's not going
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to put food on my table.
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Zoomers say she makes $42 ,000 a year.
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It was the first time I actually started
going broke working.
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And that's when I started to question
things, too. Like, how long can I keep
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this up?
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What payday am I actually waiting for?
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And will I even be able to make it to
that payday?
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Much of her job is hands -on.
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Clicking button.
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You know, ordering milk.
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Cleaning up Taco Tuesday.
446
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:27,870
But Zoomer has manager in her title and
therefore is not eligible for overtime.
447
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:30,170
She thinks she should be.
448
00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:35,330
She reaches out to other assistant
managers and consults a lawyer.
449
00:30:36,270 --> 00:30:40,549
But I knew that my story wasn't really
unique either. That was the reason for a
450
00:30:40,550 --> 00:30:43,709
class action lawsuit, when you realize
you're not that special, actually.
451
00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:47,449
There's a lot of people who are doing
the same work that you're doing who
452
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:49,650
also want to get paid for those extra
hours.
453
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:56,009
WeWork's legal team catches wind, and
Zoomer is summoned to a room with stacks
454
00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:57,060
of paper.
455
00:30:57,061 --> 00:31:00,729
Everything inside of me knew that this
was not a good thing. You know, and I
456
00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:03,589
them know very politely, like, I'm not
signing this. I don't know what I'm
457
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:05,510
signing, so I'm going to take some time.
458
00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:10,600
Someone in the room asked, is she
allowed to do that? I was like, I better
459
00:31:10,601 --> 00:31:13,839
Like, this is still America, right? Are
you going to put my hand on the paper
460
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,820
and, like, sign it for me? It's insane.
461
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,979
Zoomer's lawyer reviews the document and
says signing would waive her right to a
462
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:26,480
jury trial and to pursue legal action.
But it's too late.
463
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:31,660
Many community managers across WeWork go
ahead and sign.
464
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,880
My lawyer said this is going to blow.
465
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:38,300
any class action claim for everyone
forever.
466
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,480
So it's dead.
467
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:44,700
Her lawyer warns Tara to prepare for the
backlash.
468
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,500
I had a high probability feeling that I
would be fired Monday.
469
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,250
She's right.
470
00:31:51,791 --> 00:31:59,759
There's always this crazy little thing
that tech companies say or startups say.
471
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,659
It's like, oh, if we stopped growing,
we'd be profitable tomorrow.
472
00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:03,760
Growth at all costs.
473
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:08,729
Growth at all costs. Don't worry about
the losses because they aren't actually
474
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:12,450
losses. They're investments. I think
that's actually what WeWork told me.
475
00:32:12,790 --> 00:32:14,530
But right now they're losing money.
476
00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:16,900
Accounting -wise.
477
00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:19,090
Because they're growing so quickly.
478
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:24,210
In 2018, WeWork loses almost $2 billion.
479
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:31,009
But Masayoshi -san still believes WeWork
will become the global juggernaut of
480
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:32,060
office space.
481
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:36,930
He and Newman hatch a plan to invest
another $20 billion into WeWork.
482
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:41,410
And it would be one of the biggest
private investments ever.
483
00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:44,830
Two funny things happen on the way to
global domination.
484
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:50,669
Saudi Arabia, whose sovereign wealth
fund comprises more than half of MASA's
485
00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:52,970
capital, pulls out of the deal.
486
00:32:53,890 --> 00:32:59,249
Second, the Wall Street Journal breaks
news about the plan, and investors don't
487
00:32:59,250 --> 00:33:00,330
like what they hear.
488
00:33:00,890 --> 00:33:05,189
Masa called Adam, sorry, we're calling
off the deal. The shareholders are going
489
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:05,769
to revolt.
490
00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:08,630
This could blow up my whole company. I
can't do it.
491
00:33:09,310 --> 00:33:13,530
Adam was completely shocked, as were
every senior executive.
492
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:16,080
And then all of a sudden, the deal fell
apart.
493
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:19,310
And that's about when I sat down with
Adam Newman.
494
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:25,290
I had been trying to get an interview
with Adam Newman for months and months.
495
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:29,899
Finally, they said, okay, Deirdre, if
you fly down to L .A., We'll give you an
496
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:30,950
interview with him.
497
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:33,710
But Ashton Kutcher has to go along for
the interview.
498
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,920
I said, okay.
499
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,139
In addition to being a TV and film star,
Ashton Kutcher is a successful
500
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:41,500
technology investor.
501
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,499
But when I actually got underneath the
hood. I would describe Ashton Kutcher as
502
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:47,980
Adam Neumann's hype man.
503
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,859
I realized it was a technology company.
And I realized that through the
504
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:56,339
technology this company has, it has a
greater capacity than any other company
505
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:57,390
the entire world.
506
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,660
Kutcher argues that Moss's commitment is
still enormous by almost any standard.
507
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:08,239
It's the second largest venture capital
investment of all time.
508
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,559
I'm an investor in Uber, so I know what
the first largest one was.
509
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,499
I often ask, how will you know when
you're ready to be a public company? You
510
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:21,698
ready. We work and always ready for an
IPO. We will choose the right time to do
511
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:25,549
it when it's correct for the mission of
the company. What are you looking for?
512
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:27,738
I want to elevate the world's
consciousness.
513
00:34:27,739 --> 00:34:31,779
Okay, so when you do that, then you can
go public? One or the other. When I feel
514
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:35,600
that to achieve that mission, going
public will help it, that will be the
515
00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:39,690
Okay, we talked a lot about the private
market. Shortly after this interview,
516
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,339
WeWork does indeed plan to go public,
not because it's elevated the world's
517
00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:47,300
consciousness, but because it needs the
money.
518
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,840
Up next, going public means WeWork's
curtain is pulled back.
519
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:56,849
I remember sitting in the middle of the
newsroom and it dropped.
520
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,840
And I run to the camera. I said, we have
to get this on right now.
521
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,740
Another tech unicorn has filed to go
public. This time it is WeWork.
522
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,319
As WeWork prepares for its Wall Street
debut, Adam Neumann's behavior is a bit
523
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,559
erratic. He's skipping board meetings to
go surfing. And he reportedly tells
524
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,999
several WeWork executives he wants to be
the world's first trillionaire with a
525
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,050
team.
526
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:41,999
He's telling his friends at this point
also that he wants to become the prime
527
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,099
minister of Israel or maybe the
president of the world, which there is
528
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,960
president of the world, but whatever.
529
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:53,039
It's the board of directors' job to
either rein in a wayward CEO or show him
530
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,280
door. With WeWork, neither happens.
531
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:58,120
They just wanted to get rich.
532
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,759
And so in the interest of getting rich,
they totally ignored what was clearly
533
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,240
bat -crazy because all they saw was a
payday right over the horizon.
534
00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:14,519
To get there, WeWork needs to submit to
the government a document called an S
535
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,789
-1. Typically, these are dense and
filled with data explaining in detail
536
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:24,929
company makes money. But Adam and
Rebecca Newman take it as an opportunity
537
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:25,990
self -expression.
538
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:31,009
She treated it like the September issue
of Vogue, that this was going to be a
539
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:32,210
beautiful document.
540
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:35,050
Adam thought it was his masterpiece.
541
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,220
Best thing he had ever written in his
entire life.
542
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,059
Despite the glossy photographs, the S1
will reveal much about WeWork and
543
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,840
answer the question, what makes WeWork
so special?
544
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:02,019
That day, the day the S1 was released,
the place was just aflame with criticism
545
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:04,180
of everything in the document.
546
00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:10,409
Scorn is heaped upon the document's
dedication to the energy of we greater
547
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:13,010
any one of us, but inside each of us.
548
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:19,689
The document is packed with jaw
-dropping revelations, some that seem
549
00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:22,690
line with a royal family than a publicly
traded company.
550
00:37:23,170 --> 00:37:27,570
The succession plan shocked people. I
mean, basically, his wife.
551
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:33,609
who was a co -founder retroactively,
would play a key role in shooting his
552
00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:36,370
successor if he was incapacitated or he
died.
553
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:41,190
And that just seemed ridiculous to
people or just so over the top.
554
00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:48,450
Newman has borrowed an astounding $740
million against WeWork stock.
555
00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:54,189
Also, he is personally a partner in
several large buildings in New York,
556
00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:57,210
have rented space to WeWork. So in some
cases...
557
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,439
Adam Newman, the man, is the landlord of
WeWork, the company. In addition to
558
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,740
this self -dealing, the overarching
business model of WeWork looks shaky.
559
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,500
It's still losing billions of dollars
every year.
560
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:15,780
He did say on television many times, we
are profitable.
561
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,100
Are you actually turning a profit? We
are definitely turning a profit.
562
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:23,980
But there's this like asterisk in his
mind of...
563
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,460
If you subtract out all these other
costs, we're totally profitable.
564
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:34,700
Once everything was in plain sight, he
couldn't keep up the facade anymore.
565
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:39,509
Everyone was talking about it, non
-business networks were talking about
566
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:41,750
the stuff that this company was doing.
567
00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:46,069
WeWork's much -anticipated IPO filing
last week, raising... It just doesn't
568
00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:50,929
any sense to me. The WeWork of state
parties, it is just in absolute collapse
569
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:56,130
right now. One month later, the Wall
Street Journal drops a story that
570
00:38:56,490 --> 00:39:00,030
Adam Neumann was flying high, literally.
571
00:39:00,490 --> 00:39:04,170
The party gets rolling on a private jet
to Israel with friends.
572
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,560
And then when they land in Israel, they
take this huge, huge handful of pot.
573
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:15,939
They stick it in a cereal box, right, to
try and hide it. When the crew finds
574
00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:20,860
it, the plane is grounded, forcing
Newman to find another way back to New
575
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,559
You know, it was a potential felony to
transport drugs on an international
576
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,239
flight. I remember someone called me.
They're like, he won't, now that this
577
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,180
article's out, he's not going to be CEO
in 48 hours.
578
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,219
But getting rid of Adam Neumann won't be
easy. His shares have ten times the
579
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:42,820
votes of everyone else. The board will
have to pay him to leave.
580
00:39:44,140 --> 00:39:50,659
Masayoshi's son, SoftBank, agrees to buy
$1 billion worth of Neumann stock, plus
581
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:53,700
a $185 million consulting fee.
582
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:00,779
The IPO is placed on hold, and more than
2 ,000 WeWork employees lose their
583
00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:01,830
jobs.
584
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,079
For some former employees, Newman's
billion -dollar golden parachute feels
585
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,440
a punch to the gut.
586
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:13,659
For driving his company into the ground,
Adam Newman is getting a massive
587
00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:18,720
payout. $1 .7 billion while his workers
are getting laid off. That hurts.
588
00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:24,619
Yeah. This world keeps giving
opportunity to people who have been
589
00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:26,120
deserve another opportunity.
590
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:27,780
And that part's really...
591
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,659
especially being a woman watching so
many men get these passes that others
592
00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:38,019
get. No one else in the world gets
passes the way CEOs get passes for bad
593
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:42,859
behavior. All of this would not be
possible without all of you. So I just
594
00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:44,700
to say thank you so much.
595
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:52,879
Adam and Rebecca Newman, SoftBank and
Masayoshi Son and Benchmark Capital
596
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,480
Partners all declined to speak with
American Green.
597
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,800
None of the actions described in this
story are alleged to be crimes.
598
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,659
SoftBank, as of the original air date of
this program, is underwater with its
599
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:11,420
investment in WeWork, having lost
billions.
600
00:41:12,020 --> 00:41:15,340
I'm part of the responsibility of his
mistake.
601
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:22,479
So I still love him. I still respect
him. I'm sure he would come back and
602
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,340
do some great stuff.
603
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:31,809
Benchmark Capital has no apologies, just
profits. They pocket $300 million from
604
00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:33,070
their WeWork investment.
605
00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:38,989
This system completely broke down. The
guy who drove this company into the
606
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:43,290
ground, he has walked away rich beyond
belief.
607
00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:47,830
The people who empowered him, they made
money. They're doing just fine.
608
00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:54,990
Luckily, we have some other hit. So in
total score, we are still positive.
609
00:41:56,270 --> 00:42:00,489
The people who got punished are the
employees of WeWork, people who just
610
00:42:00,490 --> 00:42:02,170
up trying to do their job every day.
611
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:06,669
My biggest sympathies are for the
younger people because I will tell you,
612
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:07,720
work hard.
613
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:11,789
If you were one of the first people at
WeWork, you expected to be a
614
00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:15,570
gazillionaire, right? And now you're
basically, you got nothing.
615
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:21,850
On October 21st, 2021, two years after
his initial plan for an IPO,
616
00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:24,370
WeWork goes public.
617
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:31,490
Newman still owns 11 % of the company.
618
00:42:32,370 --> 00:42:37,449
The Newmans have sold much of their New
York and California real estate, but
619
00:42:37,450 --> 00:42:41,490
have recently purchased a $40 million
compound in Miami Beach.
620
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:46,830
Adam Neumann says he is actively
plotting his next business.
621
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:50,690
Anyone who's known him says there will
be a second act.
622
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:54,989
The predictions of people who have known
him over the years is the second act
623
00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:56,490
will be crazier than the first.
624
00:42:56,500 --> 00:43:01,050
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