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In this episode of American Greed, the
numbers don't add up for this
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accountant. She's convincing.
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She's charming.
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She's confident. And she's chaotic. And
you say, oh, that's just Lizzie. Social
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climber Lizzie Mulder appears to have it
all.
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Money. She had money to spend on
anything and everything she wanted.
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Status. The average home in this area, I
would say it's about $5 million.
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And friends.
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We were close. It was like family. I
trusted her wholeheartedly.
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But an upscale Laguna Beach looks can be
deceiving.
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Welcome to the Orange County dream a
real housewife is willing to steal for.
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Somebody that I believed was my friend
was screwing us intentionally.
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Even if it means swindling her best
friends.
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There's no justification for what she
did.
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She's just a horrible person.
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Orange County, California is a surfside
paradise.
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With its endless sunshine, golden
beaches, and extravagant wealth, it
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lifestyle of luxury that borders on
fantasy.
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Elizabeth Mulder's Orange County dream
begins here in this stately house in the
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hills of Laguna Beach.
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But Mulder's Orange County dream will
become a nightmare for her closest
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friends. 28 -year -old Lizzie, as she's
known around Laguna, has an accounting
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practice that caters to small business
owners with big dreams.
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Wine distributor Jay Avery is referred
to Lizzie by a trusted friend.
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My friend told me, Lizzie, she's great,
she's got a good personality, she's a
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hard worker, and she'll get done what
needs to be done for your business.
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Jay meets Lizzie at her home office and
is immediately impressed.
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It was a house in Laguna.
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On the hill, overlooking the ocean, and
I thought, wow, this is pretty amazing.
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She must be pretty good at what she
does. She had an office set up with
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screens, screens that go over books and
projections.
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The degree was framed on the wall from
Pepperdine. I was left thinking that
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having someone with her energy and her
background is the best move I can make
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help build my company.
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Jay is the founder of Jack Wines. Even
though the wine label launched only two
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years earlier, Jay has a heady vision
for his boutique company.
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I wanted to go big. I didn't want to
just be in California or the United
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I wanted to be all over the world.
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And Jay is willing to risk his own money
to make it happen.
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My family, I come from the beer
business.
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My dream was to go out on my own. With
Jack Wines, I put my own money up.
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No investors. It was 100 % mine.
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But as Jay's business starts to grow,
his personal life threatens everything.
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I got married young at 25, and it wasn't
the healthiest relationship.
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And then I had a bunch of surgeries,
about five in two years, and got
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to prescription pain medication. It was
how I got through the day.
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Jay confides in Lizzie, whose younger
brother is also struggling with drug
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abuse, until tragedy strikes.
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I got a phone call from Lizzie in the
morning that her...
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Her brother had passed away from a
heroin overdose, and we had a moment to
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she was crying and upset, and she told
me I better not do that to her.
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Heeding Lizzie's advice, Jay checked
himself into a treatment center, and one
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person was there for him through it all.
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While I was in treatment, Lizzie and I
would talk daily, sometimes multiple
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times a day.
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It meant the world to me.
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Jay has so much faith in Mulder that
while in recovery, he names his trusted
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confidant Chief Financial Officer of
Jack Wines.
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I told Lizzy while I'm getting healthy,
mentally and physically, that I'm going
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to need your help. I just gave her
access to all the financials, to the
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account, to writing checks. I gave her
signing authority. I mean, I gave her
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everything. And it pays off.
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With Lizzie's steady hand guiding the
company, production ticks up 25%. Things
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go so smoothly that Mulder retains
control of accounts even after Jay
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treatment. And just two months later, a
big opportunity comes calling.
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Lizzie came to me with an amazing
business opportunity with a company
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of China that invests in the small
wineries and help them grow. Sent them
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samples. And within a month of the
samples arriving there, she got a phone
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saying they were interested in investing
into Jack Wines.
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The investors are called the Wine Trust,
and Jay immediately gets on the phone
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with their CEO, Brent Harrison.
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Very nice guy, kind of soft -spoken,
very direct.
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He had connections everywhere to help us
grow our brand.
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Brent Harrison asked me questions about
Lizzie and what she's like.
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I told him that, you know, she's
amazing. She's a bright, young
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Brent says the wine trust will consider
investing $2 million into Jay's
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business. But first, he wants to sample
more wines.
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Once they got involved, we had to buy
samples. And those samples needed
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and those samples needed cork. I mean,
our expenses went up, I'd say, a couple
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hundred percent over a period of...
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six months once they got involved.
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And finally, Jay's investment pays
dividends as the Wine Trust comes back
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the news Jay was hoping to hear.
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They love the name. They love the label.
They love the wine. And they wanted to
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give us a chance to invest in us and
grow us into a global brand.
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It was kind of a dream come true.
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After a year of emails and phone calls,
Jay arranges to finally meet the
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investors in person to seal the deal.
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Brent Harrison will travel to Seattle to
meet Jay, and Lizzie will faithfully be
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at Jay's side.
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But just before he's set to fly, Jay
receives a worrying message from Brent.
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About five hours before I was supposed
to board the flight, I got an email from
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Brent Harrison to do a background check.
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which I had already done previously.
Shouldn't have had to take another one
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soon.
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Jay got a personal background check
months ago to prove he's in good
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have a liquor license.
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But Brent is now requesting that Jay get
a new background check on impossibly
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short notice.
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Jay immediately calls Lizzie to find a
solution.
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She said, listen, I'll go up there. I'll
meet with them. I said, no, I want to
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meet these people that I've been talking
to for the last year.
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She then got upset with me. She said,
well, you're going to make us look bad
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you go up there and meet with them and
all of our affairs aren't taken care of.
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So we got in a verbal argument, hung up,
and I just had a bad feeling.
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It just didn't make sense.
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And then shortly after that, I got an
email from Brent saying that the
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meeting had been canceled, that he
couldn't make it. I knew at that point
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all of this wasn't real.
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And I'm not a big crier, but I cried. I
was upset. I was heartbroken.
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So Marla watched everything that I went
through, and she went on a mission.
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Marla is Jay's new wife. The former
model met Jay after he finished rehab.
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She's long been skeptical of Lizzie, but
said nothing.
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I didn't want to tell Jay because he had
already lost so much. He had this one
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friend left that was supporting him and
being there for him and giving him hope.
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I couldn't take that away from him.
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With Jay's hope now shattered, Marla
opens Jack Wine's bank records and sees
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huge sums of money have been sent
directly to Lizzie.
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He sent her a text and basically told
her that she didn't tell Jay everything
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and send us all the information that we
needed that I would nail her ass to the
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wall. He never texts me back.
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Next on American Greed, the former
Playboy model plays amateur detective.
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Jay deserved for somebody to fight for
him. He deserved it. Until the actual
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police get involved.
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I said, okay, so I've got a recovering
drug addict, a former Playboy Playmate,
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and a box of files.
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Lizzie Mulder fueled Jay Avery's dream
of success.
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I genuinely trusted her as much as I
probably ever trusted anybody at that
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in my life.
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Then burned it to the ground.
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Now Jay's wife, Marla, is taking matters
into her own hands.
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She reviews Jack Wine's bank records and
finds numerous checks written to Lizzie
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Mulder, one for as much as $18 ,000.
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I just took it upon myself to...
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go after and do everything I possibly
could to get justice.
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Marla prints out three years of emails,
text messages, and bank statements.
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She even finds suspicious invoices
Lizzie sent to Jay.
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The invoices date back to when Jay
entered rehab, leading Marla to believe
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while Lizzie was begging Jay to get
clean, she was also robbing him blind.
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Marla thinks she has enough proof to
take their case to the police.
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I was thinking that I officially nailed
Lizzie to the wall. As I'm leaving the
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police station for the end of my shift,
in walks Jay Avery with Marla. I hear
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Jay say, I need to speak with the fraud
detective.
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I noticed he was holding a cardboard box
full of files, and I just, I looked at
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the box, I looked at my watch, I looked
at him, and I said, let's talk.
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Detective Jordan Merakian is the fraud
detective at Laguna Beach Police
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Department. He started the conversation
off by saying, I'm a recovering addict.
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And then he introduces me to Marla. Then
it comes out that she's a former
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Playboy Playmate.
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I said, okay, so I've got a recovering
drug addict and a former Playboy
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and a box of files.
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But once Jay and Marla tell their story,
they quickly win over Detective
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Merakian's trust.
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Jay was sitting across from me, and he
was saying, I've lost it all
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but I'm sober.
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But I can't let this die. I have to hold
this person accountable.
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You try not to get personally involved,
but at that point, I was invested.
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When Marla hands over her box of
paperwork, Detective Merakian discovers
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roadmap to the fraud.
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Marla. had meticulously identified text
messages, e -mails, bank statements. She
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had highlighted different wire
transfers.
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It was at that time that I realized, I
have a case.
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Detective Merakian starts to unpick
Mulder's crime.
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Lindsay's scheme was simply a check
fraud scheme.
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She was robbing Peter to pay Paul, but
Paul was herself.
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Lizzie repeatedly sends fake invoices
for Jack Wine's expenses.
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When Jay earmarks money to pay bills,
Lizzie transfers it to her personal bank
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account, then covers her tracks with
fraudulent receipts showing the expenses
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have been paid. But before Detective
Merakian can finish his investigation,
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case takes a twist.
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I'm walking out the door at 5 o 'clock,
and I hear, I need to speak with the
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fraud detective.
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Same with Jay. I look at my watch. I
look at the gentleman at the counter,
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introduce myself as the fraud detective,
and he is clearly distraught. And he
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begins to tell me this story about how
his wife, she's an accountant, and she's
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been stealing money from small
businesses throughout Orange County.
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It wasn't until about five minutes into
the interview that I said, well, what's
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your wife's name?
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And he says, Lizzie Mulder.
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In the detective bureau, we called it
Fukushima because it was like everything
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just exploded.
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In the simplest version of the story, I
say, tell me more.
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Lizzie's husband, Jesse, shares a list
of her clients. And Detective Merakian
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immediately gets in touch with their
businesses.
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Every single one of them said, oh, not
Lizzie.
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Anyone but Lizzie. And a couple of them
hung up on me.
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And my response to all of them was, take
a look at your bank statements and call
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me tomorrow.
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By the next day, I had seven people that
had called me.
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Detective Merakian finds that many of
Lizzie's clients also happen to be her
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closest friends.
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They would say, I had her in my house.
She was at my kid's birthday party. She
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was at my wedding.
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I can't believe she'd do this. The only
thing in this case that was consistent
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was that Lizzie used her charm to gain
their trust.
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It all sounds painfully familiar to Jay
Avery.
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I was relieved to find out that I wasn't
the only gullible jackass in Orange
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County to fall for this.
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Next on American Greed, Lizzie Mulder
traps her victims with manipulation and
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lies.
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Most of my victims were women.
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Most of them were entrepreneurs.
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She keeps her friends close, but her
victims closer.
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She desperately wanted to be a part of
that social circle.
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Detective Jordan Merakian's case against
Lizzie Mulder takes a dramatic turn
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when he gets a tip from an unexpected
source, Lizzie's own husband.
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Jesse Mulder has been so rocked by
Lizzie's actions that before telling
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Detective Merakian about her fraud, he
alerted some of the victims himself.
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Lauren Skacia is one friend who Jesse
called.
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My first thought was she got in a car
accident.
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and, like, something was bad, especially
when Jesse said, Lauren, are you
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sitting down?
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And then what I heard next was, I think
Lizzie's been embezzling from you and
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from others.
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And that, like, that's when everything,
I don't know if it came together or fell
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apart. I don't know which one it is.
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Years before she became one of Lizzie's
marks, Lauren was her friend.
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She's fun.
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She has a lot of charisma.
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She likes to laugh.
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It's an attractive personality to be
near someone that's confident in their
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and has a good time. So it was easy to
know her.
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Lauren was also Lizzie's hairdresser.
With her friend in her chair, Lauren
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tell Lizzie about her dream to one day
own a salon.
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Then in 2014, Lauren and her business
partner, Geneva Burghorst, are offered a
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chance to franchise the luxury salon
they've been managing.
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Lauren and I were like, what?
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Are you kidding me? I mean, this is a
dream salon.
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Now we have the opportunity to own it?
Of course.
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But they need a CPA to help them set up
the business.
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Naturally, Lauren heads to the home of
her good friend, Lizzie.
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Geneva and I drove to Laguna and get out
of the car. We're like, damn, like,
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this is awesome.
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Like, where she lives is incredible.
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She made sure that we knew that her
credentials were very high. She
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with honors from Pepperdine, and she
passed it on the first time.
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She just said, you know, you need
somebody you can trust.
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You can't afford me, but that's okay.
I'll take care of you guys.
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Despite being a high -dollar CPA, Mulder
offers to barter her services.
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Lizzie will handle the salon's
bookkeeping and taxes.
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And in exchange, her family will get
free treatments at the salon.
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Lizzie made sure that we knew how lucky
we were to have her in our lives.
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And we felt it.
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Lizzie tells Lauren and Geneva to keep
their hairdressers and clients happy and
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leave the rest to her.
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Everything that was happening, we were
asking her permission if we could do it.
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But with the understanding of she knows
where we are financially.
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As their business relationship grew, so
did Lizzie and Lauren's friendship.
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When Lauren invites Lizzie to her
wedding, Lizzie shocks her friend with a
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lavish present.
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She gifted us five grand in wine. It was
actually Jack wine. And we just thought
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that was so generous.
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We're like, man, we are just really
lucky to have her in our lives.
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But at the salon, issues are arising.
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A few months after opening, the salon is
locked out of their online payroll
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system. Mulder sets up the payroll on a
different platform, but come payday, no
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money arrives.
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We told our staff, yes, direct deposit's
good, you're going to get your money on
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Thursday. So on Friday, when they didn't
get their money the night before, they
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were already in a bad mood.
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Mulder explains direct deposit is
pending approval, so she manually
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and cuts checks for all 45 of the
salon's employees.
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Lizzy Wood.
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Rush into the salon with her bags, drop
the bags, and start issuing these manual
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checks. You know, just in time to save
the day.
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And she did, and we were grateful.
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Like, God, we're so lucky to have you.
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Two weeks later, it's payday again. This
time, Lizzie assures them by forwarding
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a confirmation that direct deposit is on
its way.
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But the exact same thing occurs.
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No checks would arrive, and we would
have to manually write out 40 -some -odd
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check. Every two weeks for a period of
about four months.
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It was chaos. It was absolute chaos
every two weeks.
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Then one day, with the salon full of
clients, the lights go out.
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The clients were making comments.
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You know, who didn't pay the bill?
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Lauren and Geneva immediately called
Lizzie.
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So I called Lizzie and said, like, what
the heck? Our electricity is out. What
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happened?
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I thought we were on auto pay.
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She goes, that's ridiculous. We are on
auto pay. So she's like, I'm going to
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call them right now.
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A few minutes later, Geneva receives a
call from an 800 number.
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On the other line is a woman who says
she is from Southern California Edison,
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the electric company.
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And she said, I understand that you have
just had your electricity shut off.
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And I said, yeah, what's going on? I
thought we were on auto pay. She goes,
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ma 'am, you are on auto pay.
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We believe that this has been a
fraudulent situation.
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And sure enough, less than an hour
later, the lights flick on.
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But I told Lauren, I'm still a little,
like, weirded out by the way that that
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call went. It seemed really muffled. It
seemed like it was being placed at a
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call center in, say, China or something.
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Geneva checks her caller ID and Googles
the 800 number.
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The number matches Southern California
Edison's corporate office.
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But Geneva still can't shake the feeling
something is off.
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So things like that started to happen.
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It just really became very fishy.
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Only one year after taking over the
salon, Lauren and Geneva find that
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working hard and having strong revenue,
their finances are running out.
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I started looking at her thinking,
there's something not right.
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It came to a point where, you know,
Geneva said, like, let's get through
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and let's find somebody else. And I
said, okay.
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But before Lauren can part ways with
Lizzie, she gets the call from her
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On the phone, Jesse Mulder tells Lauren
to review their bank statements for any
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checks written to income tax payments.
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And Lauren and Geneva eventually find 82
of these checks totaling more than $290
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,000. The scam began when the salon's
payroll platform stopped working.
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It turns out that she was prolonging the
process behind our back.
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to create more chaos in order to
accomplish what she ended up
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The salon previously used their payroll
system to calculate their income tax
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withholdings. But now, Mulder has access
to this money.
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We would ask Lizzie, so the taxes are
being recorded, right? And she goes, oh
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yeah, they're going to go on the next
payroll.
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Don't worry, it's totally fine.
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Lizzie writes checks made payable to
income tax payments.
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Lauren and Geneva are told these checks
are being sent to the IRS.
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But in fact, Lizzie has opened a bank
account under the same name, and the
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checks are going directly to her.
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She was my friend, and I trusted what
she was discussing with us.
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She always seemed to have our best
interest in mind, so I never questioned
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One day after receiving Jesse's phone
call, Lauren makes a call of her own to
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Detective Merakian.
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In addition to Lauren and Geneva's
salon, Detective Merakian finds a travel
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agency and a nearby Pilates studio that
Mulder victimized.
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These businesses have one thing in
common. They are all run by women who
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they are good friends with Lizzie.
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Who better to work with than Lizzie
Mulder?
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She's a woman. She's an entrepreneur.
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She's a pillar of the community.
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And when the going got tough for them
and they got stressed out, she would
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remind them that she was there to save
the day.
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And so she had all these people really
in her pocket.
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I absolutely think that Lizzie preyed
upon my kindness, my kind nature.
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She just really focused on the
relationship, and I think that made me
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feel good.
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So she capitalized on my weakness.
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Plastic surgery, Arabian horses, and
Ocean View real estate don't come cheap.
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See, Mulder's friends discover where
their money is going.
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Lizzie wanted to finance the Orange
County dream.
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With their luxury yachts, sun -drenched
beaches, and lavish lifestyle, Orange
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County residents have a reputation for
living the good life.
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But affording the good life doesn't come
easy.
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I think the driving force behind this
entire fraudulent scheme was Lizzie
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to finance the Orange County dream.
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Detective Jordan Merakian has identified
four small businesses who believe
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Lizzie Mulder is embezzling from them.
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If you look at these victims, they're
all very attractive people.
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And there's a small part of me that
thinks Lizzie was jealous of that.
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While the businesses struggle to make
ends meet, Lizzie, her husband, and
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two children are living a high -end
lifestyle on the victim's dime.
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There was an enormous amount of pressure
because it seems like everyone is
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trying to one -up each other.
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Lizzie Mulder was an ugly duckling in a
room full of beautiful people.
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And I think that's a big reason why she
spent some of that money on plastic
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surgery.
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Long considered a hub for fashion and
beauty, Orange County has also become
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known as a makeover mecca due to the
numerous cosmetic surgery options
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available.
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Dr. Arian Malavi of Laguna Beach is a
well -established plastic surgeon in the
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area.
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Everybody wants to fit in, right?
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So, you know, sometimes plastic surgery
can help you get there.
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According to court records, Mulder
received numerous plastic surgeries,
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including a common procedure in Orange
County called the Mommy Makeover.
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The Mommy Makeover is intended for moms,
and you're trying to reverse the time?
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All the weight gain and the stretching
of their bellies and increased fat in
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their breasts and then the sagging. But
for a full mommy makeover, you're
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looking at anywhere from $15 ,000 to $40
,000.
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Dr.
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Malavi's most consistent clientele are
moms.
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They make up 80 % of all the patients he
sees.
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Looking better brings you more
confidence, and I think it helps you be
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successful.
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And look, life is short, right? You got
to make the best of it.
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For Mulder, the makeover is extensive.
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Her friend, Jen Rodriguez, says she
never knew Lizzie's scale of
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until the day she finds an old photo
hidden in Lizzie's home.
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When I went upstairs, I saw her picture
of Lizzie and Jesse on their wedding
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day. And I was taken away because I
could not believe how unrecognizable she
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was. I hate to say it, but she wasn't
blonde and 110 pounds. She was Lizzie.
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And I think no matter how hard she
tried, she could never fit in that mold.
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And possibly that's what fed the need to
steal more and more and more to have
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more work done.
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Beyond her body work, Lizzie's most
expensive habit is horseback riding. She
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regularly shared photos such as these
with her friends.
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She would tell me she was doing these
events, three -day events, and those are
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thousands of dollars, and boarding is
thousands of dollars.
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Lizzie owns two Arabian horses from
Elite Bloodlines. She uses them to
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in endurance competitions.
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Deanna Jones -Guinasso is a fellow
endurance rider who lives upstate in
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California.
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Endurance riding is similar to marathon
running.
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You have 24 hours to get 100 miles done.
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Arabian horses are the best suited for
endurance because they had
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to survive in the wild, in the desert.
It made them fit.
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Deanna's horse, named Big Dog, is an
Arabian stallion from a storied
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Deanna has become a top ten writer on
Big Dog's Back.
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In 2013, Deanna has to sell Big Dog's
brother named Dandy.
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And a gal by the name of Lizzie Mulder
called me from Southern California and
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said she would like to come up and take
a look at him.
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Deanna sells Dandy to Mulder for $7
,000.
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My name is Lizzie Mulder and this is my
horse, Dandy. And Lizzie posts a video
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of Dandy on social media to market a
nutritional supplement for horses.
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Deanna suspects that Lizzie is more
interested in the status of owning a top
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horse than actually riding it.
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I have seen pictures of Dandy in
jacuzzis.
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that Lizzie would share on Facebook with
me. I can't even guess how much
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that it could cost to do that kind of
thing with a horse. Way out of my realm.
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But no status symbol means more to
Lizzie than her beautiful house in
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Beach. She openly flaunts the multi
-million dollar price tag, even to
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who can't afford such luxury.
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Lizzie would make comments that would
say,
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I can't believe you make so little. How
do you survive on so little? I can't
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believe you still rent. Oh my God,
you're in your 30s. You're still
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It felt like to me she was telling me,
look, Jen, I'm so successful. I'm so
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established. But I just thought in my
head, oh, Lizzie.
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Next on American Greed, Lizzie Mulder
faces off against Detective Merakian.
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Do you think they want me to go to jail
or do you think they want me to pay them
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back? And why did Lizzie's husband
really turn her in? Because she's
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her clients or because she's cheating on
him?
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And all of a sudden I come across this
name of Jill Love. I thought, well,
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that's either a... A stage actor, a porn
star, or, you know, I didn't know. I
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mean, Jill Love.
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Lizzie Mulder dominates her victims to
accomplish her crime. And at home, she
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uses the same tactics with her husband.
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While Lizzie works as a high -earning
CPA, Jesse is a parking valet.
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Lizzie liked to impress upon people that
she was the breadwinner. She was the
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one that paid for everything.
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Jesse, either from being beaten down for
so many years or just with his
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personality, just rolled with it.
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Jen Rodriguez and her husband go on a
double date with Lizzie and Jesse where
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they witness their relationship up
close.
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Jesse arrives at the restaurant late and
angry because his ATM card has been
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declined. He accuses Lizzie of
forgetting to deposit money into his
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Jesse was livid.
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He was pissed.
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And she brought in the case where, well,
if you're so angry about it, go get a
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job. Calm down. You're fine.
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And made him look stupid.
441
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,380
But in early 2016, Jesse does something
for himself.
442
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:00,439
After years working as a valet, Jesse
achieves his lifelong dream of becoming
443
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,499
firefighter. When Jesse comes to
Detective Merakian, it's because he's
444
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,560
Lizzie's actions could put his job at
risk.
445
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,980
You're given what's called a
probationary period, and it's usually a
446
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,900
And during that year...
447
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,080
you can be terminated or let go without
cause.
448
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:25,259
Jesse explains he was in Lizzie's home
office when he notices some mail on her
449
00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:26,720
desk from American Express.
450
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,080
It's addressed to one of Lizzie's
friends, who is also a client.
451
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,659
When Jesse checks inside the envelope,
he finds a credit card bill for tens of
452
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:37,800
thousands of dollars.
453
00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:41,900
Growing suspicious, Jesse opens Lizzie's
laptop.
454
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,560
and finds her bank account for income
tax payments.
455
00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:48,220
But that's not all he discovers.
456
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:53,520
And at the same time, he learns that
she's been having an affair.
457
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:58,999
While Jesse is combing through the home
office, Lizzie is on the road with a new
458
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,400
friend, a cowboy named Joe Love.
459
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:06,479
Lizzie thinks so highly of Joe, she's
been sending her friends photos of their
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00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,530
rides together.
461
00:32:07,531 --> 00:32:11,279
I mean, it really does sound like, you
know, you're at... Thunder from Down
462
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,180
Under in Vegas and, you know, Magic Mike
and Joe Love.
463
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,959
Joe Love is a fixture in the Orange
County horse community where he runs a
464
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,760
business transporting horses.
465
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,859
There had been rumors that Lucy was
having an affair with someone, and then
466
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:33,099
started putting the dots that possibly
the someone was Joe Love. I saw his name
467
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:34,480
come up on her phone.
468
00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:39,319
When she picked up, she was always a
little giggly. I also know that she
469
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,299
attention.
470
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:45,159
Lizzie and Joe would later deny having
an affair, but the two have become close
471
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,210
business partners.
472
00:32:46,211 --> 00:32:49,739
For several months, they've spent their
weekends together in Northern
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00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:54,659
California, laying plans for a new
business they've launched called Love
474
00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:55,710
Livestock.
475
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:01,639
Whereas with the other victims, she used
her charm as a mother and as a wife and
476
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,199
as an entrepreneur. With Joe Love, she
did the oldest trick in the book. She
477
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,250
flirted with him.
478
00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:14,809
Mulder persuades Joe to purchase $26
,000 worth of cattle embryos. And she
479
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:19,009
a realtor to take them on a helicopter
tour of Napa Valley so they can buy
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00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:21,240
property for their new livestock
business.
481
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:28,129
Lizzie is with Joe on the way back from
Northern California when she receives a
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00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:32,950
fateful call from Jesse. She begs Jesse
to let her come home and explain.
483
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:35,770
But as Lizzie races back to Orange
County...
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00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:37,350
Her phone starts buzzing.
485
00:33:37,790 --> 00:33:41,749
Jessie has called her friends and
clients, and they want to know what's
486
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:47,629
on. That there's some damaging rumors
going around you, and she said that she
487
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:50,290
had to get home because Jessie was
freaking out.
488
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:54,090
But Mulder never does make it home that
night.
489
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:58,949
Instead, Lizzie ends up here at Mission
Hospital, where, according to Detective
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00:33:58,950 --> 00:34:02,350
Merakian, she checks into the behavioral
health wing.
491
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,599
I think the real reason why Lizzie
Mulder checked into a mental hospital is
492
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,150
because she was trying to lay the
groundwork for some sort of insanity
493
00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:16,219
She knew that the walls were closing in
on her. She was caught.
494
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:22,840
And after her voluntary 72 -hour stay,
Lizzie makes another surprising visit.
495
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,560
This case seemed to always explode as I
was leaving.
496
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:30,120
To meet with Detective Merakian.
497
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:32,699
It's the end of a very long day.
498
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,799
Packed up my stuff, and I'm walking out
the door, and in walks Lizzie Mulder,
499
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,750
and she says she wants to talk to me and
provide a statement.
500
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:46,718
His investigation isn't complete, but
Merakian wants to seize his chance to
501
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,040
down Mulder's story.
502
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,239
So the quick -thinking detective
improvises.
503
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:57,979
So what I did is I created some boxes,
some phony files, and I wrote the name
504
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:59,060
Mulder on the outside.
505
00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:03,000
During the interview, she kept looking
behind me at the boxes.
506
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:10,319
I think she thought that what I had were
bank records and real estate files and
507
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,179
all of the things that I eventually
learned during the course of this
508
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:15,230
investigation.
509
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:21,079
With the evidence seemingly stacked
against her, Lizzie argues that she's
510
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,130
victim.
511
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:32,869
According to Lizzie, the $185 ,000 from
Jack Wines was a reward for Lizzie doing
512
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:33,950
all the work.
513
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:37,330
He hired me as his bookkeeper and then,
look, I just took over.
514
00:35:37,331 --> 00:35:38,869
Just like I do with everybody.
515
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:42,730
I know that I'm smart and I can do stuff
and I end up doing every single thing.
516
00:35:43,050 --> 00:35:44,610
And it's so stupid of me.
517
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:50,589
But all those checks I wrote to Lizzie
Mulder, he said... But while Mulder
518
00:35:50,590 --> 00:35:54,570
to rationalize her crimes, her body
language betrays her.
519
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:58,770
With Lizzie, I would ask her a question
and she would shift in her chair.
520
00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:01,780
Sometimes she would cross her arms and
look down.
521
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:08,609
Sometimes she would get emotional. She
was putting on a very amateur
522
00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:09,660
performance.
523
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:14,909
And the detective isn't buying it,
especially as Lizzie recounts her
524
00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:15,960
Jay Avery.
525
00:36:21,631 --> 00:36:26,199
And, you know, I didn't want him to do
that, too.
526
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,960
Lizzie put her head down and started to
cry.
527
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:34,799
And I looked at her very closely, and I
noticed that there were no tears coming
528
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,779
out.
529
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:39,360
Unswayed, Detective Merakian soon has
Mulder on her heels.
530
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,739
Throughout the interview, I just let her
talk, and I let her dig herself into an
531
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:45,790
even deeper hole.
532
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,220
And then I exposed her for the liar that
she was.
533
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,140
For one, she's not a certified public
accountant.
534
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:03,720
Her degree from prestigious Pepperdine
University is a sham.
535
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:09,920
And the Mulders don't own their
beautiful house in Laguna Beach. They
536
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:18,080
But the biggest surprise is that while
running her fake accounting practice,
537
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,059
Mulder has been holding down a full
-time job selling fertilizer for an
538
00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:24,400
agricultural company.
539
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:30,199
Or as Detective Merakian puts it, So
Lizzie Mulder is full of crap and she
540
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,250
sells.
541
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:37,099
Next on American Greed, Lizzie's day in
court arrives and Jay Avery still wants
542
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:42,079
to know who is Brent Harrison and why
would the wine investor never meet him
543
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,400
person? The most sociopathic person I've
ever met.
544
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,219
When Jay and Marla Avery first visit
Detective Merakian, they have no idea it
545
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:06,260
only his second day as a detective.
546
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,180
This is what a lot of detectives refer
to as a career case.
547
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,800
I was a fraud detective for all of two
days.
548
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,859
Detective Merakian is dealing with
multiple victims and more than $1
549
00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:22,760
fraud, so he pitches the case to federal
prosecutors.
550
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,500
IRS Special Agent James Kim immediately
signs on.
551
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Mulder's most damaging fraud is her
income tax payment scheme.
552
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:36,580
But in a stroke of irony, Lizzie never
reported her stolen income.
553
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,859
At the tax account, you would think you
would need to report all your business
554
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:43,180
income on your tax returns.
555
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:48,780
But Lizzie didn't. I said, hey, the
clear charge is tax fraud.
556
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,879
Special Agent Kim takes the case to
Assistant U .S. Attorney Scott Tenley,
557
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,760
was motivated to prosecute Mulder.
558
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:02,059
After hearing the victim's gut
-wrenching stories... You hear in fraud
559
00:39:02,060 --> 00:39:06,679
lot about con men, people who gain the
confidence of their victims, and that's
560
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,559
what she did.
561
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,439
Literally, a victim saying, Lizzie was
my best friend. And it makes you a
562
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,239
more motivated on the case because you
feel like these are people who have
563
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,700
been victimized at their core, not just
in their bank account.
564
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:25,500
With each victim, Lizzie customizes her
scheme to target her clients'
565
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:26,770
vulnerabilities.
566
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,619
They were preyed upon. They were preyed
upon by somebody who they thought was
567
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:35,400
their friend, who they could trust, and
it could have happened to anybody.
568
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,450
Investigators discovered a common thread
in Lizzie's con.
569
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,380
The victims all suspect she had an
accomplice.
570
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,499
Oftentimes to keep these frauds alive,
to keep them going, you need an
571
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:53,299
accomplice to help you to validate that
the fraudster is not stealing. They're
572
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:54,380
working in your favor.
573
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:58,330
In the case of Elizabeth, she didn't
have an accomplice. She created them.
574
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:03,899
In addition to creating numerous fake
email accounts, Mulder creates fake
575
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:04,950
personas.
576
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:10,809
Lizzie owns phone software that allows
her to disguise her voice and change the
577
00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:13,550
number that appears on people's caller
ID.
578
00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:19,309
To actually impersonate somebody on the
phone takes kind of an extra level of
579
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:23,809
chutzpah, which is not something you see
in many cases. In fact, I've never seen
580
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:25,930
it done in a fraud case.
581
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,320
Over the years, Mulder impersonates the
electric company, the payroll service,
582
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:36,000
the bank, the IRS, and yes, even Brent
Harrison.
583
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,119
I had no idea that the Brent Harrison I
was talking to on the phone wasn't a
584
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,559
man. When I found out it was Poop
Software, it was like something out of a
585
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,799
movie. I could not, I just didn't know
people were capable of this kind of
586
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,120
stuff, and especially her.
587
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:56,119
Facing overwhelming evidence against
her, Lizzie Mulder pleads guilty to one
588
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,720
count of wire fraud and one count of tax
fraud.
589
00:40:59,420 --> 00:41:06,159
On October 16, 2017, she's sentenced to
63 months in federal prison
590
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,100
and is ordered to pay restitution for
more than $1 .5 million.
591
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:17,060
While the victims celebrate, Lizzie sits
stone -faced through it all.
592
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,259
She was completely emotionless. It was
shocking. Or maybe it was all the Botox
593
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:24,310
she had.
594
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:29,140
Lizzie Mulder declined American Greed's
request to speak with her.
595
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,379
Joe Love, seen by Lizzie's side in this
photo she shared with her friends, is
596
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:38,160
never accused by law enforcement of
being involved in Lizzie's fraud.
597
00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:43,400
Ultimately, Joe loses all the money he
has invested in their livestock
598
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:49,329
The victims of this cold -hearted
manipulator are still left picking up
599
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:50,410
pieces of their lives.
600
00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:55,389
Many of their businesses are shuttered,
and they've all suffered profound
601
00:41:55,390 --> 00:41:56,510
financial losses.
602
00:41:57,190 --> 00:42:02,110
Meanwhile, Lizzie's Orange County dream
ends behind bars.
603
00:42:02,830 --> 00:42:09,529
My hope is that the victims at least can
sleep at night knowing that Lizzie
604
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:11,029
Mulder is being held accountable.
605
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:12,410
She's a convicted felon.
606
00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:18,039
I don't think Lizzie ever grieved. I
think the only time Lizzie has ever felt
607
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:24,100
remorse is when she's alone at night in
her little cell in federal prison.
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00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:28,700
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