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In this episode of American Greed, 9 -1
-1, what is your emergency?
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Americans are dying by overdose in
record numbers.
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Victims of the worst opioid addiction
epidemic in history.
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And in Mobile, Alabama, two doctors,
Patrick Couch and Shulu Ran, are serving
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heavy doses of the dangerous drugs.
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One drug they prescribe is brand new.
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Made by a multi -billion dollar drug
company that is paying the doctors to
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its product.
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Fifty times more potent than heroin.
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That's more like a lethal weapon than a
medicine.
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And some of their patients who want
relief from chronic pain descend into a
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living hell.
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It said on the pack you may become
addicted.
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It should say you will become addicted.
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But the drug maker and these doctors are
unrelenting, turning patients' pain
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into enormous profits.
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This case was a pill mill that was also
a money mill.
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And some of the families of patients who
die hold the doctors responsible.
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He lost his life because he was seeing a
doctor that prescribed him that
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medication, and he winds up dying under
his care.
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In Mobile, Alabama, in the spring of
2014,
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Patrick Chaussé heads to class at the
University of South Alabama.
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Chaussé is an Army veteran, home from
two tours of duty in Iraq, where he
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made time to check in with his
girlfriend, Amanda.
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He called me every single day, every
single day while he was over there.
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He made it a point.
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But today, something is wrong.
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Patrick is not returning Amanda's calls.
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Worried, she races to campus and finds
his truck.
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Inside, Patrick is passed out,
apparently not breathing.
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I screamed and screamed and screamed and
screamed for help.
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Somebody came, called 911.
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Just 27 years old, Patrick Chaussé is
dead.
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News of his death sweeps across campus.
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Students are asking, what killed Patrick
Chaussé?
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I don't wish that on anybody.
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I don't want anybody to ever feel, ever
feel what I had to go through.
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The private story of Patrick Chaussé's
last days is found in a dark chapter
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in Mobile.
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This is a place that prides itself on
its old world southern charm with a busy
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commercial port and peaceful waterfront.
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And in 1997, a young doctor from Georgia
moves here and opens a pain clinic.
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He is Patrick Couch, an
anesthesiologist.
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He calls his clinic Physicians Pain
Specialists of Alabama, eventually known
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PPSA.
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Early on, Couch and his clinic earned a
good reputation.
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I would say that Patrick Couch was an
influential member of the community.
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a well -respected doctor at some point
in his career.
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He was a very competent doctor.
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Everybody thought highly of him.
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In 1999, Brian Bechtel takes his wife,
Teresa Odom, to Couch's Clinic.
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Teresa is paralyzed following a car
accident and suffers from spasms in her
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legs. She would be in her wheelchair,
and her legs would just kick, and it
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hurt her. When you don't feel most of
your body, the pain you do feel is
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extreme.
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Couch has the answer, a pump that
delivers an anesthetic to her spine.
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It's exactly what we were looking for.
She was comfortable.
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Everything seemed to work fine.
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Couch operates on his own for seven
years and then brings in a partner,
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Ran.
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Born in China, Ran is educated in the U
.S. He is the author of multiple
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articles in medical journals and claims
to be a world record holder for board
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certifications.
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Under Ron, PPSA expands and a new
marketing campaign is launched.
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At Physicians Pain Specialists of
Alabama, we don't treat pain. We treat
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patients who are suffering from pain.
And it is clear to many that Ron is
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running the show.
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Dr. Ron could persuade Dr. Kautz to do
anything.
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Lori Carver -Linder is the PPSA clinic
manager.
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Dr. Ron had the run of the practice,
especially when it comes to the money
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to the billing. It was always up to Dr.
Ron.
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And by all appearances, Ron is
exceedingly concerned with money.
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The overarching goal for Dr. Ron,
regardless of what drug he was
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was how do I maximize profit? What is
going to be the most amount of money we
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can squeeze out of every single patient?
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And to keep profits high, it is best to
insist that patients have insurance.
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Many of the medications they prescribed
were extremely expensive.
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And by ensuring that your patients have
insurance, you know that you are going
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to get paid.
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But really big money is made when a
clinic has its own pharmacy.
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And so Couch and Ron opened CNR
Pharmacy, immediately adjacent to PPSA.
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CNR was really critical to Ron and
Couch's ability to churn out money the
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they did.
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Without CNR Pharmacy, They could
prescribe drugs, but they would be
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Walgreens or CVS or a local drugstore.
And that local drugstore is then the one
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that gets the reimbursement from
insurance companies. So it's the
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makes the money.
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Several years after Ron arrives, PPSA is
a big operation, eventually serving as
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many as 8 ,000 patients.
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But some of Couch's long -term patients
are not impressed.
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After Dr. Ron came, things started to
change.
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Every time we went there, the office was
full, and there would be people coming
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in of questionable character, coming in
hollering, wanting their refills, and it
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was terrible.
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And for Bechtel, Dr. Couch is
conspicuously absent.
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Eventually, we never seen Dr.
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Couch. The nurse would fill her pump.
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And go out of the office and come back
with the prescriptions. At some point,
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became almost disassociated with what he
was doing. He just kind of checked out
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of being a doctor and wanted to do other
things like play in a band.
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Couch actually does have a band,
appropriately called Midlife Crisis.
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And he makes it clear to many that this
is where he wants to be.
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Because his main goal was he wanted to
be a rock star.
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But that did not.
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You know, support his lifestyle.
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The doctor indeed.
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And that lifestyle includes a million
-dollar house on Mobile Bay.
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This is what a doctor's income buys.
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But according to Carver Linder, Couch's
disdain for a doctor's work is no
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secret.
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He'd have his patients laying on the
table waiting for their procedure.
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All passed out, sedated and everything,
sometimes for two and three hours to
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where we'd have to re -sedate them
before we could ever do the procedure.
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And so Couch comes up with a way for
others to do his work.
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Nurse anesthetist Stacey Madison and
nurse practitioners Bridget Parker and
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Justin Palmer.
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I would probably see on average about 32
patients a day.
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Some days I would see more.
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There were a few days I saw 50 or 60.
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Many patients assume Palmer is a doctor.
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After all, he is signing their
prescriptions.
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I was given blank, pre -signed
prescription pads, or if I needed to, I
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forge his name.
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It works for the nurses and the doctors,
but for the patients, it's dangerous.
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Because the supervision over what they
were prescribing and what they were
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was almost nonexistent.
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And under that limited supervision, they
prescribed very powerful, dangerous
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narcotics. Opioids to patients like
Teresa Odom.
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She had all this pain medication beside
her in the drawer. And I said, Teresa,
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look at this pain medication you got.
This is one month prescription.
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If anybody took this as prescribed, they
would not function.
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They wouldn't be alive.
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Hydrocodone, hydromorphone, oxycodone,
oxymorphone, and fentanyl. Dr. Ron, Dr.
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Couch were in the top ten in the state
of Alabama for each of those drugs. For
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most of those drugs, for most of the
years in question, they were the number
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and number two by a long shot.
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And how is that serving their patients?
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Opioids are not good medicines for long
-term pain.
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Dr. Andrew Kolodny is the Director of
Physicians for Responsible Opioid
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Prescribing. Because of tolerance to the
effects, the only way to continue
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getting pain relief is if your dose
keeps going up.
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And as the dose gets higher, you'll
often see that the patient's level of
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functioning begins to decline.
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And of course, as the dose gets higher,
it becomes much more...
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And while several of Couch's and Ron's
nurse practitioners provide easy access
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to opioids, what is most alarming is
that they are also helping themselves.
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Bridget Parker becomes addicted as a
pain patient herself.
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She admitted that she would rifle
through patients' purses when they were
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getting their blood pressure taken, and
that when patients brought back
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medication, it should have been returned
or destroyed, but Bridget would keep it
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for herself for her own personal use.
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And she is not the only one. When I
interviewed initially, I was very
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with Dr. Couch that I'd previously been
to treatment for opioid addiction.
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And I did continue to do the right
thing, maybe about a year.
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And then I started using narcotics
again.
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Palmer's choice of opioid is Dilaudid.
And he would shoot it up.
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And he gave testimony at trial that he
injected over 600 milligrams of Dilaudid
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a day.
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And he told the jury that it was enough
to kill everyone in this courtroom.
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That's how bad of an addict he was.
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And what few people at the clinic know
is that the problem extends to one of
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men in charge.
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You know, Couch had a substance abuse
problem himself.
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He had been to Narcotics Anonymous.
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and Alcoholics Anonymous.
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And on some occasions, he did meet some
of these nurse practitioners in
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Narcotics Anonymous.
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And he actually recruited some of these
nurse practitioners to come work with
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him inside of the pain clinic, mind you.
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By 2012, the money is pouring in.
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But Patrick Couch's pain clinic has
become a recipe for disaster.
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Up next, a spray 50 times more potent
than heroin.
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A pharmaceutical company's answer to
pain.
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And we believe this platform is very
important for the future of drug
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In 2012, the epidemic of opioid
addiction is building across the
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Deaths from prescription opioids are
skyrocketing.
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And against that backdrop, insists
therapeutics.
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A pharmaceutical company in Arizona
announces a new product made from one of
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most addictive and dangerous substances
in medicine, fentanyl.
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Fentanyl is about 50 times more potent
than heroin. A tiny dose can cause
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someone to stop breathing and die.
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John Kapoor, a billionaire drug
entrepreneur and the founder of Insys
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Therapeutics, is betting on fentanyl
with a new product called Subsys.
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Instant release fentanyl that comes in a
spray.
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The drug is FDA approved for cancer
patients who need extra pain prevention.
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It is marketed as easy to use.
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Squeeze your fingers and thumb together
to spray subsist under your tongue. The
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company has high hopes.
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Tell us what it is about Insys that has
investors so excited.
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The device that I brought with me today
allows the patient to simply, with no
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priming, spray the drug underneath their
tongue.
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in a plume geometry, and we believe this
platform is very important for the
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future of drug delivery.
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But Subsys, as FDA approved, has a
limited market.
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There isn't very much money to be made
with a medicine that's only going to be
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prescribed to patients at the end of
life with pain from cancer.
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Sure, no, we're in it for the long term.
And so executives at Insys Therapeutics
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reach out to pain doctors like Couch and
Ron.
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We know that before that substance even
came on the market, that Insys had flown
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Dr. Ron and Dr. Couch out to where their
headquarters was, and they were on the
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advisory board for substances prior to
this drug even hitting the market.
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Imagine what you could do if you were
pain -free.
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With an inside track at the drug
company, Ron and Couch start writing
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prescriptions for off -label use for
substances.
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Treating common chronic pain conditions
with... Any opioid is probably not
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appropriate, but to prescribe fentanyl
for those problems is totally
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unacceptable. The immediate -release
fentanyl products, like the fentanyl
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substance spray, that's more like a
lethal weapon than a medicine.
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Camison Witherspoon has a close
encounter with substance after abdominal
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leaves her with severe pain.
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Before surgery, I was a woman of God in
church, married, mother of four,
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daughters all good students, husband,
great job.
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But then she makes an appointment at
PPSA.
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She sees nurse practitioner Bridget
Parker, and she says she is immediately
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given a prescription for substance.
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She didn't, you know, feel to see how
the pain was, where the pain was, or
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anything like that. She just gave me
these prescriptions and told me to take
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them. I didn't know. I thought maybe
that's how pain clinics work because I
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never been to a pain clinic before.
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What should have occurred was the doctor
sitting down and saying, I understand
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that this is a cancer drug for end -of
-life cancer pain.
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You don't have that. However, nothing
else is responding well to your pain.
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I truly believe that this is something
that may provide you the relief that you
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seek. But those conversations weren't
happening.
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Witherspoon is simply told to follow
directions on the box.
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The first day I took it, I felt the jump
up.
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It said on the pack you may become
addicted.
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It should say you will become addicted
because right away I think I was
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to it. And while patients are becoming
addicts, Ron maintains the use of
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substance for chronic pain of all kinds
is just good medicine.
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He was a cutting -edge doctor that
thought he knew the best way to treat a
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patient. And providing substance, this
fentanyl product, in his mind he thought
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it would be faster and better pain
relief for the folks.
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And so the boxes of substance are flying
off the shelves at CNR Pharmacy.
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For several months after the drug comes
on the market, Ron and Couch are among
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the top prescribers of the drug in the
entire United States.
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And according to federal prosecutors,
that makes them very important to
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executives at Insys Therapeutics.
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Dr. Ron was powerful enough that what
Dr. Ron wants, Dr.
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Ron gets.
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When Insys asked Ron who he would like
Insys to hire as his sales rep, Ron
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suggests a woman he wants to date.
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Natalie Perhax, a medical equipment
salesperson. And immediately, Perhax is
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hired.
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She later testifies in trial that she
has no experience in drug sales, has no
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idea what fentanyl is, but sure enough,
because she gets a recommendation from
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Ron, she gets the job.
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And that job is making sure Ron and
Couch keep writing prescriptions for
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substance.
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Natalie Perhax was in PPSA's clinic
roughly five days a week. She was there
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almost every single day.
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So she was very on top of what was being
prescribed.
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And at what quantity?
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And to help perhaps motivate the two
doctors to prescribe substance, Insys
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Therapeutics has a proven incentive,
cold cash.
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Insys calls the money paid to the
doctors a fee for giving speeches to
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doctors about substance.
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Having speaker programs is not illegal.
That is something that most drug
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companies do.
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But there has to be a legitimate benefit
to it. And according to PPSA employees,
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in the case of Couch and Ron, the
speeches amount to lunch out with the
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It was a free meal. That's what it was
about. Nobody cared about.
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The drug?
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And the speaker engagements were the
biggest boondoggle there ever was.
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They would have these meetings at
restaurants in the local area, and only
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staff would come to these meetings. And
these doctors would be paid $2 ,000 for
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that small amount of time, and it would
be money sent to their personal
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accounts. Over the course of three
years, big prescribers Couch and Ron
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collect more than $250 ,000 in speaker
fees from Insys Therapeutics.
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The overriding purpose of why Insys
Therapeutics was paying our doctors this
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amount of money was in exchange for them
to continue prescribing the substance.
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And that may explain, in part, why
Tammison Witherspoon can get as much
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substance as she says she wants.
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I told them, I said, I'm running out of
my medicine. And they was like, what are
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you doing? Are you using it? I said,
yes, I'm using it more than I'm supposed
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because I feel like I need it.
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So their remedy was to bump me up from
200 micrograms to 400 micrograms.
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And not surprisingly, her life on
substance has become miserable.
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My kids, they would find me passed out
from taking so much medicine.
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I turned into a monster because it makes
you, when you don't have it, you are a
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monster. She remembers one incident that
was particularly terrifying.
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One night, I had taken all my meds. And
I fell asleep on a heating pad.
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And when my girls came in, they were
like, Mom, you bleeding.
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And I was like, what do you mean? And I
looked down and on both my breasts, I
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burned a hole in them. And I ended up
having to go to the emergency room
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I was on so much pain meds, I didn't
feel it at all.
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And for a woman who was once a model of
success, the shame of her addiction is
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excruciating. I never used drugs. I
never even drank alcohol. I've never had
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alcohol in my life.
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And here I am, total drug addict from
something that I could go get
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legally.
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One of our biggest commitments is to
remain profitable and cash flow
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And she has no idea that behind her
addiction is a pharmaceutical company
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is raking in millions.
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In May 2013, Insys Therapeutics goes
public.
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With what will be the most successful
IPO of the year.
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Insys Therapeutics up 400%. Up next, for
doctors Ron and Couch, when profits
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are big, so are the toys.
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Bentleys, Mercedes,
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Porsches, cars I can't even pronounce.
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In Mobile in October 2013, PPSA has an
astounding month.
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Couch and Ron write 110 prescriptions
for substance.
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The prescriptions are filled at CNR
Pharmacy, and insurance companies pay a
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whopping $572 ,000.
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One month, one drug. The doctors are
taking the term pill mill to a whole new
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level. Over the years, Pill mills are
evolving and continue to evolve.
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They're not the walk -in, pay cash, get
handed a script that they were some
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years ago.
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This case was a pill mill that was also
a money mill.
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That is something Tim Burns understands
well.
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His wife, Kathleen, becomes Ron's
patient after a car accident leaves her
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serious back pain.
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Dr. Ron puts her on subsys.
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I didn't find out what kind of drug it
was until I talked to my sister -in
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She told us, both of us, that it was a
cancer medicine for cancer patients that
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are dying to get relief from the pain
they're in.
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In fact, sepsis is so dangerous that
most insurance companies will only pay
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the drug for its FDA -approved use for
cancer patients who are tolerant to
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opioids.
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Kathleen Burns does not have cancer, but
her insurance company thinks she does.
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Why? The answer may be found in the
discovery by federal investigators that
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employees at Insys Therapeutics have
misled insurance companies about
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diagnoses. Criminal indictments and
public reporting show that Insys has
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manipulated the insurer approval
process. In September 2017...
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A U .S.-centered investigation details
its findings on how insurance companies
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have been deceived.
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Incest techniques have included the
falsification of medical histories for
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substance patients and the concealment
of the company's role in intervening
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the insurers and pharmacy benefit
managers.
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Incest puts responsibility on mistakes
by its employees.
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But at PPSA, it is understood that in
order to get insurance company approval
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for a cancer -free patient like...
Kathleen Burns, the staff can simply go
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the INSA sales rep, Natalie Perhax.
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I would call the rep and say, I'd like
to give this patient
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sepsis, but it's not being approved. Can
you help me?
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And they would. I've seen some really
slimy behavior by pharmaceutical
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companies, but that sets a new bar.
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And the price that is paid by cancer
-free patients is tremendous.
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What had happened, she was getting into
that drug, and she would just use it
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every time she got a chance.
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And I'd find her laying in the floor on
the couch.
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I tried hiding it. I locked it in a
cabinet with a chain around it, a file
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cabinet. But that just pushes Kathleen
out, looking for whatever she can find.
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Well, she'd be out in the streets buying
more drugs.
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And it was horrible to sit there and
watch a beautiful, fine woman go down to
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nothing.
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Like many patients at a pain clinic,
Kathleen Burns is given a urine test to
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make sure that the prescribed drugs, and
only the prescribed drugs, are in her
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system. And month after month, Kathleen
Burns fails the test.
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It's clear she needs help, not more
opioids.
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She should be turned away by the clinic.
She should be fired.
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But Ron's attitude about firing addicts
is explained in an email obtained by
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federal investigators.
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He says, we fire patients rather
infrequently.
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In private practice, the more you fire,
the more revenue you lose.
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So he's basically equating patients to
revenue.
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And so Kathleen Burns continues to
receive substance.
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Her insurance company pays $150 ,000 for
her prescription.
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But then the company, HealthSprings,
discovered the truth.
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HealthSprings contacted the Burns' and
asked about her cancer treatment, to
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which the response was, I don't have
cancer.
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And a letter was then sent to Dr. Ron
saying, we're no longer going to approve
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her receiving substance prescriptions as
she doesn't have cancer.
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And that is when Dr. Ron finally asks
Kathleen Burns to get out.
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Kathleen Burns...
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was profitable to him, and while she was
profitable, he was going to keep her on
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as a patient. But as soon as he could no
longer prescribe her this $10 ,000, $15
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,000 a month drug, then she's not worth
it to him to keep on anymore.
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And profits do matter to Couch and Ron.
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Theirs is a very successful clinic.
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It was extremely profitable.
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They saw a massive number of patients.
They did a number of procedures.
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Received monies from the CNR pharmacy
connected to their building, massive
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amounts of monies there. And they
received kickbacks, so they were
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money on top of money.
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And a very good measure of the money
they are bringing in is found in their
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collection of sports cars.
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Bentleys, Mercedes,
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Porsches, cars I can't even pronounce,
Lamborghinis, high -end cars, well
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-maintained. One Porsche that had a
Payne MD tag on it.
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Not far from where the doctors showcase
their luxury cars, Tim Burns is watching
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his wife's drug addiction take its toll.
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She went from this vibrant woman down to
nothing.
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And then in the winter of 2015, Kathleen
Burns dies.
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The morning I woke up, she had passed
away sitting up.
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That was pretty rough there.
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Yeah, I figured I'd be the one to go
first.
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Up next, Couch and Ron suddenly have a
new favorite drug.
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It shows a massive spike in prescribing,
where it goes from virtually no
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micrograms per month to Dr. Ron spiking
at over 2 .5 million micrograms per
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month.
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In Iraq in 2007, Sergeant Patrick
Chaussé is on patrol.
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A time when roadside bombs like this one
were the number one killer of American
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soldiers in Iraq.
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And one of those IEDs blows up a truck
in Chaussé's convoy. He suffers injuries
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to his knee and back.
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After two tours in Iraq where Chaussé is
awarded numerous medals, including the
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Global War on Terrorism Service Medal,
He makes it home to Mobile, enrolls at
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the University of South Alabama, and
marries his girlfriend, Amanda.
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He proposed to me on a dock out in
Daphne on the other side of the bay, and
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still in his uniform, so it was great.
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But the pain from his injuries
continues, and he makes an appointment
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specialist, Patrick Couch.
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Of course, we didn't see him.
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We saw Stacy,
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and she was nice.
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understanding of you know his pain and
immediately nurse anesthetist stacy
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madison starts patrick on the usual load
of medications in no time the pain is
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gone but so is the patrick amanda
married it was horrible because he would
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be doped out of his mind and and it was
just a a cycle of him not being there
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anymore this is what it came down to he
wasn't there anymore
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But that does not stop Patrick from
getting more and more narcotics
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by a nurse who Amanda believes does not
listen.
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I let Stacy have it. I was like, you
have to take him off this medication.
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It was crazy.
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I have heard of the situation before
where despite family members
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plea telling a prescriber, you're going
to kill my loved one, please stop, the
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prescriber just...
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And it's very hard to understand what
would motivate that behavior, why
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not trying to help that patient get into
addiction treatment. And it does make
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you wonder if what's behind this is
greed.
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And that question is amplified in the
fall of 2013, when Couch and Ron start
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looking at investment opportunities.
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So Dr. Ron and Dr. Couch discussed, what
company can they buy stock in?
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where they can essentially move the
needle. This is a big pain practice, and
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they own their own pharmacy.
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What company could they have an impact
on the stock price through their
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prescribing? The answer they come up
with is Galena Biopharma, the maker of a
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drug called Abstral, another instant
-release fentanyl.
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It is a direct competitor to substance.
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Ron writes Couch, this is the product.
We can play a big role.
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Couch agrees.
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And beginning in December 2013, they
eventually purchased close to $800 ,000
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worth of Galena Biopharma stock each.
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And then they start cranking out
prescriptions for, you guessed it,
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So one of the things that we did was we
graphed out certain of the drugs the
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doctors prescribed. DEA investigators
chart the micrograms of Abstro
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by Couch and Ron following the stock
purchase.
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What's particularly stark about this
Abstro chart, is it shows a massive
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in prescribing, where it goes from
virtually no micrograms per month to Dr.
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Ron spiking at over 2 .5 million
micrograms per month. That spike
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directly with the time period that Dr.
Ron and Dr. Couch were talking about and
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ultimately buying large amounts of stock
in Galena Biopharma.
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At the high point, Couch and Ron are
writing one -third of all the abstral
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prescriptions in the U .S. And that
raises the question, are patients
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what is good for them or good for the
doctors?
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You're getting what is going to be
profitable for the doctor. The manner in
448
00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:04,099
which the doctors prescribed abstral was
not based on patient need, but based on
449
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,050
the financial motivation of the doctor,
the stockholder.
450
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,719
And according to trial testimony,
executives at Insys Therapeutics, makers
451
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,520
Sepsis, are concerned that because its
top prescribers are prescribing Abstro,
452
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,680
they may lose out to the competition.
453
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:26,339
And so John Kapoor, the founder of Insys
and other top brass, pay a visit to
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00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:30,160
Mobile in February. They need to keep
their big customers happy.
455
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:31,940
This is extraordinary.
456
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,520
This is a billionaire.
457
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:40,139
founder of a massive pharmaceutical
company who's flying to Mobile, Alabama
458
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:41,900
meet with Dr. Ron and Dr. Couch.
459
00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:43,700
That's how much power Dr.
460
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,640
Ron and Dr. Couch had over Insys
Therapeutics.
461
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,219
And following the meeting, the doctors
are given a better deal on the delivery
462
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:52,270
of subsists.
463
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:58,539
So the deal was that Insys would do
direct supply to CNR Pharmacy, cutting
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00:31:58,540 --> 00:32:02,620
the wholesaler, saving Couch and Ron 5 %
to 8 % on profits.
465
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,599
If only the patients taking the drugs
mattered as much as the profits that are
466
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,650
made from them.
467
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,939
That's what Amanda Chausset says she is
wishing every day, and especially on
468
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:18,459
April 2nd, the day she learns from
doctors at the local emergency room that
469
00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:19,580
Patrick has died.
470
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,139
He recently had pneumonia, which
weakened his lungs, and then he was
471
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:27,260
on a high level of oxymorphone.
472
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,580
Likely what happened is that you...
473
00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:33,660
decreased his lung level to such a
degree that he just was unable to
474
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:41,760
In Amanda's mind, there is no question
that if he had not been taking the
475
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,380
Patrick would be alive.
476
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,699
He lost his life because he was seeing a
doctor that prescribed him that
477
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,700
medication, and he winds up dying under
his care.
478
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,499
So, yeah, there's no doubt in my mind
that those drugs that he was prescribing
479
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:57,780
killed him.
480
00:32:59,210 --> 00:33:04,349
The loss of Patrick Chaussé draws
attention from strangers who send
481
00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:09,109
for someone they say they consider a
hero, a 27 -year -old man who was ready
482
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:10,170
die for his country.
483
00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:14,010
He did two tours, and then to come back
to that?
484
00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:16,510
To trust somebody in your own country?
485
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:18,500
For greed?
486
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:20,300
For money?
487
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:21,990
It's something horrible.
488
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:31,340
Up next, what an undercover agent
discovers about Patrick Couch.
489
00:33:32,791 --> 00:33:34,399
For
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00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:42,799
almost
491
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,460
a year, Tammison Witherspoon lives in
the hell of her addiction to fentanyl.
492
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:52,279
By this time, I needed, I was taking it
so I wouldn't get sick. I was taking it
493
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,330
so I wouldn't.
494
00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:57,179
I felt like I was dying because my heart
rate would drop so low, and I would
495
00:33:57,180 --> 00:34:01,100
sweat so bad, you know, nausea, and it
was awful.
496
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,979
And so Witherspoon worked hard to never
miss an appointment with nurse
497
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:10,779
practitioner Bridget Parker, who,
according to Witherspoon, is still
498
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:11,920
with her own addiction.
499
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,360
My last visit with her, she was passing
out.
500
00:34:16,361 --> 00:34:20,119
She was sitting in a chair writing
prescriptions, and her head just slumped
501
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,559
over, and she went to sleep for 10
minutes. And I was sitting there going
502
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,579
through in my mind saying, if my nurse
is addicted to drugs, it's no hope for
503
00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:34,839
me. And when I left that day, I just
cried and I cried and I cried. I didn't
504
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,919
know that this was going to be the
turning point, but I kept thinking about
505
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,959
I saw Bridget.
506
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,739
And I called my husband, and I said, I'm
going to rehab.
507
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,420
Like Bridget Parker, Justin Palmer
continues to abuse the clinic's drugs.
508
00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:52,439
At one point, a medical assistant finds
him passed out in an exam room with a
509
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,199
needle in his arm. And now everyone
knows he is using.
510
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:58,460
And when Dr.
511
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,220
Couch found out, he told me to take a
couple weeks off and get my head
512
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:08,889
So I did. I took a couple weeks off, and
nothing changed. I kept doing what I
513
00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:09,509
was doing.
514
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:14,269
And while the problems at PPSA are swept
under the rug, an undercover agent from
515
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:16,910
the DEA is posing as a patient.
516
00:35:16,911 --> 00:35:20,789
Now, without hurting yourself, I want
you to bend over like this as far as you
517
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:24,230
can. He is seen by nurse anesthetist
Stacy Madison.
518
00:35:24,231 --> 00:35:25,689
Watch this.
519
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:27,969
This is the undercover doing the range
of motion test.
520
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:31,589
He's going to stand up, he's going to
bend over, bend backwards, and bend side
521
00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:32,429
to side.
522
00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:35,140
His range of motion is what a normal
person would have.
523
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:42,289
And then
524
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:49,150
the undercover agent admits he has been
getting pills off the street.
525
00:35:55,650 --> 00:36:01,070
Definitely a sign of a drug -seeking
addict.
526
00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:03,669
Does that help you with your pain? Of
course it helps you with your pain.
527
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:06,680
what I want you to prescribe me, and
that's what I want to get.
528
00:36:07,070 --> 00:36:08,120
Finally,
529
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:14,129
Couch walks into the room and almost
immediately signs a prescription for 15
530
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:16,610
milligrams of Roxycodone and leaves.
531
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:24,210
So in 43 seconds, his doctor meets with
the patient.
532
00:36:24,211 --> 00:36:27,279
and gets a prescription for a controlled
substance and leaves.
533
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,079
Tonight, the Fed have made hundreds of
arrests in a major crackdown on the
534
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,779
illegal distribution of powerful
prescription painkillers. Surprise raids
535
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:41,079
doctors and pharmacies. In the morning
of May 20, 2015, 1 ,000 law enforcement
536
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,039
officers spread out across four southern
states in a major DEA offensive
537
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,260
designed to combat the epidemic of
opioid addiction sweeping the country.
538
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:56,319
The four -state arrest sweep in
Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, and
539
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,600
the biggest pharmaceutical case in DEA
history. In all, 280 doctors,
540
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:07,119
pharmacists, and drug traffickers are
arrested, including Shuluran and Patrick
541
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,170
Couch.
542
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Next, a young widow has her say in
court.
543
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,340
It felt good so that I can try to be
Patrick's voice.
544
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,340
2015, the FBI raided Physicians' Pain
Specialists of Alabama.
545
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,199
For almost two years in Mobile, the
criminal prosecution of Patrick Couch
546
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,160
Shulu Ran is covered in the nightly
newscasts.
547
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,019
Investigators say the doctors
orchestrated a lucrative prescription
548
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:47,480
game. Finally, the trial opens in
January 2017.
549
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,420
Opening statements began today in the
federal trial involving two pain
550
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:56,660
Couch and Rod have pleaded not guilty to
a long list of felony charges,
551
00:37:56,780 --> 00:38:01,919
including RICO, conspiracy to illegally
prescribe controlled substances, health
552
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,440
care, wire and mail fraud, and
violations of the anti -kickback
553
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,679
From day one, the prosecutors know they
are faced with convincing a jury of what
554
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,400
seems improbable.
555
00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:15,140
It's a difficult case.
556
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,079
Two men who are highly educated would
trade their ability to continue to
557
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,580
practice medicine for a fistful of
dollars.
558
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,860
Both Ron and Couch did not respond to
requests for comments from American
559
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,100
but they do testify in their trial.
560
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,800
Ron points out that he has impeccable
credentials.
561
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,060
His argument was, look, I am an expert
doctor.
562
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:46,600
I know exactly what goes on with my
patients.
563
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:52,939
I am the greatest doctor in the area.
And in fact, I'm a world record holder
564
00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:56,259
number of board certifications. And
therefore, the government should not be
565
00:38:56,260 --> 00:39:00,299
telling me how to treat a patient,
particularly since the drugs I'm giving
566
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:02,480
are alleviating pain.
567
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,899
In his defense, Couch says he was
unaware that the nurse practitioners
568
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:08,950
using opioids.
569
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,120
They trusted the nurse practitioners.
570
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:14,140
How could they know that nurse
practitioners were?
571
00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:18,590
High at work, falling asleep at work,
injecting Dilaudid into the arm at work,
572
00:39:18,591 --> 00:39:22,439
stealing drugs from other patients. How
would they know that? Well, you should
573
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,299
have known it. You're the doctor. You're
operating this clinic.
574
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:30,559
It's your job to know. And one by one,
people who work beside them plead guilty
575
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,660
and testify against the doctors.
576
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:38,219
Incis sales representative Natalie
Perhax pleads guilty to charges of
577
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:39,600
the anti -kickback statute.
578
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:45,129
Nurse practitioners Bridget Parker and
Justin Palmer plead guilty to charges of
579
00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:48,200
conspiring to illegally prescribe
controlled substances.
580
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:51,630
Palmer is sentenced to 30 months in
prison.
581
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:57,690
This has basically destroyed my life as
well as, you know, my family.
582
00:39:58,130 --> 00:40:03,410
I think the shame and embarrassment of
it all is the worst.
583
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:09,259
But PPSA doctors and staff are not the
only ones facing criminal charges
584
00:40:09,260 --> 00:40:10,600
surrounding subsists.
585
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,899
Executives at Insys Therapeutics,
including founder John Kapoor, are also
586
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:21,899
indicted. In a case that is still
ongoing, they have pleaded not guilty to
587
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,619
charges that include bribing doctors to
sell their product and misleading
588
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:31,139
insurance companies, all as part of a
conspiracy to illegally profit from a
589
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:32,280
controlled substance.
590
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,119
It is truly a conspiracy between the
doctors, nurse practitioners, and the
591
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,839
pharmaceutical companies to get as much
opioid products to the patient and onto
592
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,619
the streets. I mean, one can't work
without the other. It was truly like a
593
00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:51,480
on a wheel. You had to stay together in
order for it to roll.
594
00:40:52,420 --> 00:40:55,300
Couch and Ron's trial lasts seven weeks.
595
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,579
Eighty -one witnesses testify, and among
those who take the stand is Amanda
596
00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:01,630
Chausset.
597
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,460
It felt good so that I can try to be
Patrick's voice.
598
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,139
And finally, she gets to lay eyes on the
doctor who was responsible for
599
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:12,190
Patrick's care.
600
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:14,160
I just felt angry.
601
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,560
It was disgust, sadness.
602
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:21,780
It was, how could you do that to
somebody?
603
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,320
All out of greed, out of money.
604
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,659
After a few days of deliberation, the
jury finds both doctors guilty of
605
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:37,220
conspiracy to illegally prescribe
controlled substances, to commit wire,
606
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,540
and health care fraud, and to receive
illegal kickbacks.
607
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,400
Couch receives a sentence of 20 years,
and Ron is sentenced to 21.
608
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,739
The judge noted in her sentencing that
the reason that she gave Ron more is he
609
00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:55,560
agreed with the United States in our
position that...
610
00:41:55,561 --> 00:41:59,799
Couch, left to his own devices, probably
could not have pulled off what happened
611
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,039
here. And that Dr. Ron was the manager
and the driving force of the massive
612
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,320
amount of greed that occurred at PBSI.
613
00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:15,740
Crime absolutely pays, and it pays a
lot.
614
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:19,690
An arrogant auction house with a
collectible fraud that scams millions.
615
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,420
He had to tell people, I pulled one on
the world.
616
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,320
American Greed, coming up next.
617
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:26,640
CNBC. Get yours.
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00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:31,240
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