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- Warrior man here.

- Champion against champion.

Title for title.

- Hulk Hogan,

You have a long running reputation for being a liar

and a fraud,

and a phony.

- The rivalry behind the scenes was huge.

- Hulk Hogan.

- Hogan wanted to be the world champion every day

of the rest of his life.

I was on fire at the time, and Vince didn't think so.

- I knew these two couldn't get along.

- I never had any doubts

that I could be one of the best in the business.

- It was pretty clear Ultimate Warrior was no Hulk Hogan.

- Yeah, I know

I don't know what the [bleep] to say.

I didn't say anything.

- It took on a life of its own.

- Hulkamania became boring.

- How could there not

be professional envy and jealousy

between Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior?

- Go [bleep] home.

- I told Vince, "Let me get in the ring and break his legs."

[laughing]

- I am coming to end your career.

- I don't know how much more personal it can get.

- When two legends collide,

the rivalry stays pinned in our minds forever.

This is where we break down the legendary stories

behind the greatest rivalries of all time.

I'm Gabriel Iglesias

and this is

WWE Rivals.

- Eye to eye right here, face to face.

- Today we're going to be discussing the rivalry between

the immortal Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior.

It's the late 80s.

Hulk Hogan is at the top of his game,

been the king of the mountain forever,

and here comes this man named Ultimate Warrior.

- He'd run down to the ring as fast as he could,

and he would just shake the ropes.

And he looked like a real life superhero.

- He was gigantic.

I remember me and all my friends, like, going like,

"Whoa."

- As far as the rivalry goes,

that's one of my favorite

things I ever got to see as a kid.

And a lot of times you'll hear people like,

"Oh, I was a Hogan guy.

I was a Warrior guy."

I was not either.

- Didn't matter.

- It didn't matter.

- You know, we talked a lot about Hogan on these shows.

You know, he went from the Giant to Savage then to the Warrior.

I mean, that is as divergent a group as you can possibly get.

And Hogan made it all look real.

Hogan was the one steering the ship.

- From Venice Beach, California,

the Heavyweight Champion,

Hulk Hogan.

- Whenever you're in front of an audience,

you got to make 'em believe.

The moment I go through the curtains,

I believe I'm Hulk Hogan.

- Whatever Hulkamania was,

it was such an easy thing for kids my age

to just find such joy in.

The right thing at the right time.

- The training, the prayers and the vitamins,

plus the 24 inch pythons.

- 24 inches

- Let me see that.

- Times all those Hulkamaniacs equals victory.

- Hulk Hogan was by far the single biggest star

and box office attraction

in the world of professional wrestling.

- That's what you think.

- If you're going to compete with somebody

for the number one spot

by design, you have to think,

"Here's why I'm better than that person.

Here's why I deserve number one better than he does.

Here's all the things he does as number one

that I'm going to do better than him."

- Dropping a big leg.

Over for the cover.

It's over.

- Well, it's the nature of the beast.

If you don't have a leader

and you don't have people nipping at his heels,

trying to take his spot,

well, then there's not that energy.

- In the 1980s, the WWE was becoming the dominant force

in professional wrestling.

But you have to remember, there were other territories

and promotions trying to find their own next big thing.

- From Queens, New York

287 pounds.

The Dingo Warrior.

Working out.

Doing pushups with the Grappler.

- In Texas, there's the Dingo Warrior-

- Head down like a sack.

- His real name is Jim Hellwig.

- It is a victory for the Dingo Warrior.

- Jim Hellwig was a kid who grew up

dirt poor in a trailer in Indiana,

whose father left him at 11.

Who was there to teach him to be a man?

Then Jim Hellwig goes to a gym

in order to build up his body

and have more self-esteem and learn how to be a man.

- I knew that it would serve me well

to make my body different from everybody else,

like a comic book character that just walked off the pages.

[yelling]

- WWE in 1987 was not ready for Warrior.

- Drops the leg.

Cover that man.

One, two, three.

- No.

- We're smack dab in the middle of the Hulkamania era,

but we're also a few years into it now.

- Green Bay, Wisconsin.

They came up to me and said,

"You're going to go on TV tonight."

- Ultimate Warrior making his debut here.

- Take a look at that body.

- When I went to WWE,

I got to make this turn into something.

If it doesn't, I don't want to be a guy

who just works on the card every night.

And that's how it all started

and it just took off from there.

- Is this guy impressive?

The answer, yes

[humming]

- When I first saw the Ultimate Warrior gimmick,

I thought it was brilliant.

His colors were brighter than mine, which made me jealous.

- The character got people up out of their seats.

- Take a look at him.

Is he on fire or what?

- You know, the music, the run to the ring,

the interviews that nobody could understand.

- I saw the battle scars.

I saw the scars that run so deep that only a man

The Ultimate Warrior knows about.

- There are a lot of the wrestlers were going,

"What's he talking about?

Is he crazy?"

- Underneath this paint,

there's many different colors,

and many different personalities.

And you're going to see all of 'em.

- He had a body that was just chiseled out of stone.

They could have put his stomach on Mount Rushmore.

Fans loved his energy.

He was electric.

- How are you going to stop this guy?

- What kid doesn't want to be that?

What kid doesn't want to

paint his face,

and look like that

and scream and yell and just demolish people?

- Hulk Hogan had been on top for years,

and at some point,

he had to be replaced

because Vince wants to get out

of the Hulk Hogan business

while it's at its hottest,

not when it's on the decline.

- I kind of watched where Vince was placing him on the card,

and then I'd watch how Vince would put people around him

to see if he could hold up.

So I noticed Vince was getting ready to push him.

- This contest is for the Intercontinental Championship.

- The Intercontinental Championship was a title

just below the World Heavyweight Championship,

so it was not Hulk Hogan's title,

but it was a very important title

that sort of indicated who the next big superstar was.

- That's familiar music, brother.

- They've exploded here in the Garden.

I don't see anybody yet.

- Oh, no.

- It's The Ultimate Warrior.

- One man.

[bell rings]

- Ultimate attack.

- This place has gone bananas.

- 'Cause that's what they were looking for.

For the Warrior to take that next step.

- Ultimate Warrior exploding here on the Honky Tonk Man.

Beautiful flying tackle.

- Even as a kid watching

this guy is heading towards the top of the mountain.

- Right now Gorilla Monsoon.

Right now, brother, we can get a new champion.

I'm here to tell you.

- Big splash, hooks the leg.

He got it.

History has been made here.

- I never had any doubts that by that point that I could be one

of the best in the business.

- The new Intercontinental champion, The Ultimate Warrior.

- The speed of Ultimate Warrior getting over

is pretty unprecedented.

They knew what they had with the Ultimate Warrior,

and they knew they needed to get him to that next level.

- It is now time for the Royal Rumble.

- It's the Hulkster

- The Royal Rumble is this pivotal event for the WWE.

It's this chaos, this mass of bodies in the ring.

- Shawn Michaels eliminated by the Warrior

and Rick Martel eliminated by the Warrior

Look at this.

Look at this.

- My God.

- Hulk Hogan and the Warrior.

- That moment is the beginning of the rivalry

between Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior.

- There is not a person sitting down.

Everyone on his feet.

Look at the eyes of the Hulkster.

- That's why he was this main event player.

And he actually wanted this guy to replace Hulk Hogan.

- Whoa.

What a match up this is going to be.

And nobody had him prepared for that.

- The Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan one on one.

- Hulkster's down.

He missed a clothesline.

- Oh, but they clotheslined each other.

- The Royal Rumble.

Hogan versus the Ultimate Warrior.

You wouldn't think you'd see them together.

- I remember being a kid watching this going,

"Okay, what's going to happen?"

But you never thought that him and Hogan would face

because they were both babyfaces and at the time,

that didn't happen.

- The double team to Warrior

Here comes Hogan.

Hogan eliminates the Warrior.

- Hogan had a lot of longevity, and he had been there a minute

and he had kind of I wouldn't say run his course, but

on paper, Warrior feels like the shiny new toy.

He would be a great replacement for Hogan.

- Hulk Hogan.

- It was an easy sell,

that this young lion is going to take over the old lion,

if I'm not on my game.

It was a no brainer to put us together.

There's an unbeatable tag team that's been formed.

Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior.

- Sometimes with an amazing rivalry, you end up getting,

you know, an amazing tag team out of it.

- When the two strongest forces

were on opposite sides of the fence,

we almost tore the building down.

Now the two strongest forces are teamed up as one.

- The common bond is stronger than anything.

- And Genius goes up and down.

The Warrior tagged by the Hulkster.

The Warrior knocking Perfect out of the ring.

Hulk Hogan drops the leg.

Hulk Hogan covering the Genius.

Two three.

That man does it.

- Everyone in the industry

was in awe because the writing was on the wall.

- Warrior just leveling man after man, after-

- Oh, he clotheslined Hogan.

I knew these two couldn't get along.

- WWE was going to go all the way with The Ultimate Warrior.

I think even Hogan knew it.

- The Body's never wrong.

Look at the egos in the ring.

- And it crossed your mind.

"Oh my God, are these guys going to square off?"

- There's always a hero and a villain.

It just-

You didn't get to heroes at the top of their game

going toe to toe, ever.

And so it was such a unique experience,

and it forced you to pick sides.

- I mean, I was on fire at the time.

And then Vince said,

"Ah, I really don't think you are anymore.

I think the red and yellow thing

starting to get a little boring."

So at that point, I knew that every dog has his day.

- As a result of them seeing each other and almost fighting

over and over again,

it just built this anticipation.

What will it look like when they finally throw a punch?

- Here I was, out there on the road, really getting over.

- He explodes into an arena and sends his warriors

into a supercharged frenzy.

- Hulk is hearing it, you know.

- Please welcome the man known as The Ultimate Warrior.

- Hulk Hogan has been

the greatest champion there has ever been,

but I have not yet been.

- The rivalry behind the scenes was huge.

No torch gets passed easily in this industry.

- Hulk Hogan.

- It can get heated quickly and it can get ugly quickly,

and it Took on a life of its own.

- On April 1st, WrestleMania.

At this time I am happy to announce the main event

in which champion Hulk Hogan

will meet the Intercontinental Champion,

The Ultimate Warrior.

- In three, two-

- Mr. Hogan, are you prepared to sign at this time?

- How could there not be professional envy and jealousy

between Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior?

- Ultimate Warrior,

you don't realize what this means to me

and all my Hulkamaniacs.

That dark cloud, the darkness that you live in.

Once you sign, this is where you're going to remain.

- The Ultimate Warrior was designed to replace Hulk Hogan.

How could Hulk Hogan not resent that?

- Hulkamania is still the strongest force in the universe.

- Hulk Hogan wanted to stay number one.

- What lies before us

in the Heavyweight Championship of the world

and the Intercontinental Championship of the world,

are nothing but normal representations

of why there are followers,

and why there are leaders such as us.

- Instead of Hogan looking at me and saying.

You know, being wiser from the business and looking at me and

saying,"This is- going to be an incredible thing

this WrestleMania."

Hogan would rather [bleep] up the beauty

of the whole thing overall.

Look into my eyes Hulk Hogan.

You see nothingness.

In other words, not offer any suggestions or advice

whatsoever, whether to be my character

or to talk like I'm talking now.

I will take the powers of those that question.

I will take the powers of those that have no fear.

As I take two and become one.

- He had unlimited potential, but he wasn't ready.

The guy with experience is going to win.

Sign.

- The Warrior was wound pretty tight that day.

- All right, testing.

I am with the Intercontinental Champion.

- More than usual, but it's pretty obvious why

it was the biggest day of his life.

- You are nothing, but a normal.

You don't deserve to breathe the same air

that I and Hulk Hogan do.

The most vivid thing I remember is, is that when they came and

told me that they had carts to take us to the ring.

I said, Vince, "I'm running to the ring."

He turned to the two guys.

He said, "You heard him, boys.

He's running into the ring."

♪

It's a long [bleep] way to the ring man.

- Ladies and gentlemen, this is the main-

- I think we all knew that night

when The Ultimate Warrior ran out to the ring,

that this was the end of an era.

- Champion against champion.

Title for title.

This is what it's all about.

Eye to eye right here.

Face to face.

Both still with their respective titles.

- Two biggest names in our company at the time,

both of them standing toe to toe.

And let's see what's going to happen.

So it gives me chills talking about it now.

- And it was just electric.

It was so loud.

- We're going to get a test of strength here

[yelling]

- And then when we walk up I just remember.

[breathing deeply]

He was completely blown.

The nerves had gotten to him.

- WrestleMania 6.

That feeling of like, "Wow, this really happened."

- Well, then you hear the story from Hulk.

Warrior looks at Hogan and says, "Let's go," because he's gassed.

- We'll see if one man can break the other man down.

- And it says a lot about Hogan for not burying him right there,

because he could have.

he could have buried Warrior, but instead

he carried him.

- Warriors got those knuckles turned over

And the Hulkster is slowly falling to his knees.

He's down.

- Wow.

- Once I get him to calm down, he listened and did everything

I told him to do,

and it made him look like a million dollars.

- There goes the Warrior and a scoop slam.

- Wow.

- Hogan had been the guy for years.

He was the white tiger.

- Oh, look at that.

A slam by the Warrior.

- Every move, even if it's a move you see on TV every week,

seem to mean something.

- Clothesline and a beauty.

And now he's down.

- It was a great match, man.

I mean, the whole match was just the chemistry of it was awesome.

- Oh he's going for a suplex.

- Oh he got it.

Goes for the cover, two no.

- My God, they had about 50 false finishes.

- Here's the third attempt.

No, no, no,

- People were just totally wrung out.

- Both of them fighting like champions,

but there can be only one winner.

- Hulkster with a roundhouse,

and the Warriors backing up.

- Got him with the boot.

- Oh, he nailed him.

- Here it is.

He-

- Oh he moved out of the way.

Look out.

The big splash.

One, two.

He got him.

- He got him.

- Unbelievable.

- The Warrior has won the title.

- When Warrior won against Hogan at WrestleMania,

I mean, that was the ultimate.

I was jealous.

- This wasn't a fluke win.

This was a win.

And now The Ultimate Warrior era was about to begin.

- Look at the hush silence going over the crowd.

- They don't know what the Hulkster is going to do,

and neither do I.

- I think he knew we

accomplished something very special

because it was right.

- Oh, look at this.

Hulk presented the belt and raised the hand of the Warrior.

- But yeah he just said, "Hey man, I love you.

Thank you for everything."

- You know that old saying about that it's-

it's not the destination.

It's the journey is true for me.

I was so emotional after it happened,

but within a day or two I was thinking "What's next?"

- I just can't convey to you how shocked people were

that he didn't retain his- his title.

He was devastated by that loss.

- You will feel the full fury of The Ultimate Warrior.

- The feeling was that Ultimate Warrior

had the look, had the charisma.

The only way you're ever going to find out if somebody else

can fill the shoes of someone else

is to put them in those shoes.

- The Ultimate Warrior.

- It was obvious watching him

that he felt the pressure

There was just sometimes he was just really on edge.

- Warrior trying to build up the power.

- And you still had Hogan-

was, Hogan was still there.

- Well, we're not here to wrestle today.

We're here to have fun.

Merry Christmas.

- It was pretty clear that

Ultimate Warrior was no Hulk Hogan.

- Man, I'd like to get my hands on an Ultimate Warrior and wipe

that paint off his face and see what he really looks like.

- Once he was no longer in pursuit of the title.

There didn't seem to be the same level of interest

in The Ultimate Warrior.

- I walk into this battle as the ultimate champion.

I walk away as the ultimate victor.

- The Ultimate Warrior had held the WWE Championship

for less than a year,

when the WWE decided it was time to take the title off of him.

- You simply looked at business.

Business wasn't as good

with Ultimate Warrior as champion as it was

with Hulk as champion

The winner of this bout and new champion

Sgt. Slaughter.

- The audience still loved Hulk,

and the fact that Hulk lost

the audience felt that they needed to be behind Hulk

to get him back to where he was.

- No, no.

- Hulkster up, leg drop.

- The cover.

He got him.

- He done it.

- What a comeback.

- This is the moment

when the jealousy of The Ultimate Warrior

about the man he was supposed to replace

really started to simmer.

- I'll never forget we had an early, early flight,

and this little kid comes up to him and,

you know, ask him if he was The Ultimate Warrior,

like he snaps on this little kid.

I was like, "Whoa."

- The WWE demanded that the Ultimate Warrior

tape an apology to that boy.

- But not in the warrior's character.

- What-what, I mean I'm humbly apologizing,

but I'm not saying what I'm humbly apologizing for.

- That's right.

- I know what the gimmicks for but I mean, what's it for?

I understand that there comes times in everyone's life

when they may regret certain things [bleep]

or regret certain things that they should this [bleep]

Yeah, I know, I don't know what the [bleep] to say.

I didn't say nothing to the [bleep] kid.

- I think that apology broke something in the Warrior.

- [bleep] me.

- 24 hours after Warrior taped this apology.

Warrior decided to write a letter to WWE management,

"Writing, this is a different approach.

I have been from day one, different from the others.

I meant as much or more to that show as Hulk.

I deserve to be paid the same.

I know what Hulk will get and until then, I remain home."

- He basically says, "I'm not going to have my match tonight

unless you give me $550,000."

So they acquiesce, at least on paper in the moment,

and make promises to get through that event.

- So at SummerSlam, you had

Sergeant Slaughter teaming with The Iron Sheik

against the team of Warrior and Hogan.

- Here's a man who has virtually gone through hell

in recent weeks, The Ultimate Warrior.

- The ultimate bad guys against the ultimate good guys.

- Are we loaded down, Hulkster?

- Loaded.

- Loaded down.

Ready to go down into the pit.

- You don't get any more unprofessional

than calling up and threaten a promoter and hold him up.

And The Ultimate Warrior was nobody when he came to the WWE.

- What an ovation for The Ultimate Warrior.

- That's as bad as it gets.

That's unforgivable.

- Is he ready?

- Yes.

- Yes, but can he be trusted?

- And you know what that does?

That puts you in unchartered territory.

Now, we don't know what he's really capable of doing.

I told Vince, "Let me get him in the ring and break his legs."

- 1991 SummerSlam.

Both Warrior and Hulk Hogan are on the card,

and there's some problems.

- Warrior threatened not to go on for the show,

and that's something you just don't do.

- Devil's advocate over here-

Benefit of the doubt.

When you're told you're him, you're him, you're him,

you're him, you're him.

Maybe it's easy to start to believe it.

- I told Vince, "Let me get him in the ring and break his legs."

You know, which was-

not correct.

It's not who I am now.

It's- I guess that's who I was back then

- And Vince went,

"Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

I don't need a lawsuit on top of all this.

Just do the match."

- During the match, Warrior grabs a chair

and then runs backstage.

And that's when Vince McMahon hands the Warrior

his own letter.

"Hulk Hogan is a living legend.

He is more popular than you.

He has more years in the ring than you,

and is in greater demand than you.

You have become a living legend in your own mind."

- Hulk Hogan with a leg drop.

That'll do it.

And the one, two, three.

- Where did the Warrior go?

- Sure must be one hell of a fight going on back there

in the locker rooms.

- Warrior was then suspended indefinitely from WWE.

- And that was the end of The Ultimate Warrior,

or so we thought.

- It's two against one.

They're taking him out one way or the other.

This is it for Hulk Hogan.

- Wait a minute.

- What?

That's the Warrior's music.

- It's The Ultimate Warrior.

- It is.

- Look at that him.

- The Ultimate Warrior.

- The decibel level on that thing.

It was like the freaking roof was really going to come

off of that place.

I mean, my feet just felt-

it felt like I wasn't even touching the ground.

It was- I'll never forget it.

And I talked about that with Hogan one time.

I could tell by the way his eyes, the look in his eyes,

what he did, the way he shifted his eyes, he knew.

- The Ultimate Warrior has come to help Hulk Hogan.

- It was just so freaking loud.

The loudest pop I ever heard in my whole freaking life.

- For WWE fans, seeing the Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan

back in the ring together again was a magical moment.

Unfortunately, it didn't last.

A year later, Warrior was gone again from the WWE.

- The audience that was 5, 10, 15 years old

when Warrior was at his hottest,

had moved on to be obsessed with other things

besides The Ultimate Warrior.

Larger than larger than life characters were being replaced

by authentic, extreme characters.

The mid 1990s was built on an anti-hero counterculture

environment that even resented Hulk Hogan.

- That's the man that packs the gold right there

- And packs the arenas.

- Vince was moving in a different direction,

and Vince was moving to-to younger wrestlers at the time,

and it was like a youth movement, basically.

And I just wasn't finished yet and I went down to WCW.

These people out here,

after I led their children down the right path,

had the gall to boo Hulk Hogan one more time.

You fans can stick it, brother.

- The fans still admire Hulk Hogan,

and his turn into a villain is brilliant.

He's Hollywood Hogan now.

[nWo's music]

- It's 1998.

Hogan and WCW President Eric Bischoff

are involved in a heated ratings war with the WWE.

- Eric came to me and said,

"Uh, there's an opportunity to grab the Warrior.

Can you work with him and will you work with him?"

I said, "Yes, you know, um, there's money to be made.

Let's make it."

There's not a war that I can't win.

And there's not a warrior in the world that I can't beat.

- What is this?

Look at the face of- his bottom lip is quivering.

- Oh my goodness.

- Oh, yeah.

The fans recognize him, and so does Hogan.

And

- Oh.

- And so do we.

In all my years, I never believed I would ever see this.

Unmistakable.

It's the Warrior.

- Now I have to beat him.

- Feel the real power.

Hogan.

- Moving forward to the summer of 1998, we are now, uh,

watching Monday Nitro and, uh, who reemerges?

But a man by the name of Warrior.

And he confronted Hulk Hogan.

- Confronted him.

And talked-

a lot.

- As the victor of that one time battle.

I defeated what was until then, undefeatable.

- They just stuck him out there without a safety net

and let him do his own thing.

- The Warriors have waited all too patiently.

- Yeah, I was just like, "Wow, this is horrifying."

- The very first time Warrior showed up on television.

I knew- that night

that it wasn't going to be a long term relationship.

- You were great.

I was ultimate.

- And Eric was standing next to me in the ring.

Eric was out of his mind over it.

- Beating you means nothing anymore.

Everybody already has.

- This is live television now.

I started to feel the sweat run down the back of my head

because we'd already missed a commercial break.

Cut him off.

Somebody cut him off.

- But he just went on forever with a bunch of gibberish.

- Your mind became weak and Hulkamania became boring.

- Killed the rest of the show.

- Same Warrior time,

same Warrior place,

same Warrior channel.

We tried a lot of things

to keep that matchup exciting and interesting.

- We cannot wait till these two men finally go at it, again.

- And it's just all of it sucked.

- He's going for something.

Hogan's got something.

- I, uh, screwed that match up.

- I have no idea what that is.

- I had the fireball paper,

I was in the corner when he went to grab me.

I went to light the fireball paper and throw it,

and for somehow the lighter misfired.

And then when I hit it the second time,

it blew up in my face.

- Is that like a fireball or something

that he attempted to throw at the Warrior.

- That was probably one of the worst matches I've ever had.

- Hogan wins the match.

- They used Turner's checkbook to buy me to come back,

to lose a match to Hulk.

It was repulsive to me when I finally realized it.

- The Warrior has served his purpose,

and Hogan and the Warrior can again go their separate ways,

which they inevitably did.

- In the years that followed,

incredibly, Hulk Hogan would go back to the WWE.

He'd go toe to toe with the Rock.

He would even become a champion one last time.

- Hogan won.

- My God, my God, he's done it.

- While Hogan was doing all this,

Warrior was trying to find himself

and his place in the world.

- Warrior, frankly, garnered a lot of controversy,

and videos would come up on the internet

of him saying inappropriate things.

- Come on, I've been in all the top locker rooms in the business

and listen to the guys whine and moan and bitch.

- During the production of a DVD on The Ultimate Warrior.

The WWE interviewed a bunch of the wrestlers who had worked

with the Warrior,

and those stories weren't exactly flattering.

- Let's just get through this, move on,

and then you just realize the brother just doesn't get it.

- So the self-destruction of the Ultimate Warrior was

what everyone had been saying for so long-

behind the scenes.

Without a doubt, Jim Hellwig has a very big problem

distinguishing himself from The Ultimate Warrior.

I don't think Jim Hellwig really knows who Jim Hellwig is.

It was uncomfortable, but honest.

- You know, it hurt my feelings a lot, man.

It hurt me.

It-it that they did that.

So it hurt on one level,

and on another level it made me want to fight back.

- Litigation had gone back and forth with WWE and Warrior.

- This tape number two, the continued videotaped deposition

of Terry Bollea.

We're back on the record at2:53.

- I remember getting subpoenaed,

and it was really bad because he was sitting there.

He didn't give me a heads up, so it was ugly.

- Would you agree that the promotion put a lot of effort

to promote him to be as big of star as he could be?

- I just basically stuck to telling the truth,

and it wasn't pretty.

He got, uh, one of the biggest pushes I've ever seen.

- And were you aware that once he got to be a main eventer,

that he was demanding to be treated the same as you?

- Um, I've heard rumors about that.

- He didn't turn out to have the staying power in the business

that you have had, did he?

- No, sir.

- In fact, you could say,

it was somewhat of a flash in the pan, couldn't ya?

- In my opinion?

- Yes

- Yes.

- It probably hurts the most coming from Hogan,

the guy you shared your biggest moments with.

Well, there had to have been real life-

- Animosity

- -animosity.

- Oh, it was huge.

- Warrior man here.

Getting ready to get started in my studio,

and I want to do-

do that video.

- You had to see this interview by, you know, uh,

The Ultimate Warrior about Hulk Hogan.

- You have a long running reputation for being a liar

and a fraud and a phony.

I do own a piece of your psyche.

- And I started watching it, and I actually had to turn it off

because it was making me sick.

- I mean it's not your hair.

Those are extensions, man.

[laughing]

- I've never seen anything like this before.

- Hulkamania and negativity

go together like peanut butter and jelly.

Go [bleep] home.

Go home.

You're not a good or decent human being, Terry,

because you don't have a brain,

you don't have a heart,

and you have absolutely no [bleep] courage.

- The lawyers have called me to ask if

I wanted to do a cease and desist, you know,

this-this is defamation.

I said, "Look, just, it all just go away, just,

Just let it go."

- Closure is an incredibly important part of life.

- Hey, everybody.

- People go through all different things.

18 years is a long time to be distanced from something.

that love so much.

- I never done it.

- I'm happy for Warrior that he was able to go through

the process, the healing process that he did.

- I am Warrior.

The Ultimate Warrior is a legend and The Ultimate Warrior fans,

you are legendary.

- And the next day I was hosting WrestleMania

and I saw this guy in the hallway

with a three piece suit on.

And as we rode by, I went, "Oh, stop. It's the Warrior."

- I know you are brother.

I'm sorry for all the bad [bleep] that's happened.

- That's good that you acknowledge it.

It's all good brother, it's all good.

- Just, you know, hurt for some, you know, to be in the

business and be a part of it and then just go a different

direction to sort of get beat up and-

kicked like a dog just because I did that, you know?

- It freaked me out because I felt like I put my

hand on like 120 year old grandmother.

He was so thin and frail.

You know, I'm used to grabbing him in the ring.

You know, I just tell you honestly from the heart.

You're a great man, a good man, a good person, and I love you.

And I just hope, you know, someday we can just, you know.

- I accept your apology, man.

- Thank you, my brother.

- I accept your apology.

- Lotta stuff was said back and forth.

It was wrong, you know?

People make mistakes and-

- They do and I made some, too.

- I was sorry for what happened.

Thank you sir.

- Thanks Hulk.

- Yes, sir.

And I wanted him to know that no matter what he thought about me,

I wanted him to hear that coming out of my mouth.

- Thanks Hulk.

[crowd chants "Warrior"]

- I think it was a power moment in professional wrestling.

- Every man's heart one day beats its final beat.

His lungs breathe their final breath.

- He was predicting what he already knew.

- And if what that man did in his life makes the blood pulse

through the body of others, his spirit will be immortalized.

- Jim Hellwig needed the Warrior to get through life.

- You are The Ultimate Warrior fans.

- So when he was accepted back into the family,

he had nothing left to hate.

- And the spirit of Ultimate Warrior will run forever.

- I walked up behind him and I leaned into his ear and I said,

"This whole process was worth it for that."

- Some sad news from the WWE

- A Wrestler who was recently inducted into

the Hall off Fame has passed away,

James Hellwig.

Known to wrestling fans

as The Ultimate Warrior, he died at the age of 54.

- He collapsed outside a hotel in Arizona.

- Officials calling the death sudden and catastrophic.

- I was just shocked.

We all were.

But Warrior went out in the biggest way he possibly could.

He had closure from relationships that had gone bad

or soured, and I'm so happy for him

that they had the opportunity to experience that.

- You couldn't have written it any better in Hollywood to have

this come full circle and have it end the way that it did.

- He gave his own eulogy.

- He did.

- The Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan one on one.

- This is definitely my favorite rivalry.

Two people who I completely idolized.

- This was a lot of people's childhood.

They grew up idolizing Hulk Hogan,

idolizing the Ultimate Warrior.

The last thing you want to do

is to see Clint Eastwood and John Wayne fight.

- Both of them really embodied that 80s era of larger than life

characters that you couldn't forget.

- Are we loaded down, Hulkster?

- Loaded.

- You know, the bottom line of this is it's a business.

And, you know, they did an incredible business.

- Look out.

The big splash.

One, two.

He got em.

- The Warrior has won the title.

- I think he could have done so much different.

I think Jim's a really good guy who kind of got lost to doing

what he had to do to survive back then, to doing what he

thought he had to do to survive in the wrestling business.

- Your mind became weak and Hulkamania became boring.

- I mean, I could have got in there with him and walk him

through the ABCs and showed him that this is not

an environment that's menacing.

These guys are all here to help you and we depend on you.

The rivalry, it could have went on forever.