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- There’s the Hitman.
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He’s a great family man.
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He’s a great athlete.
No doubt about it.
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- There’s only one
Mr. Flamboyant,
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Shawn Michaels!
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- They were perfect
for each other.
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They hate each other,
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but they were perfect
for each other.
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- When you look at
long-term rivalry,
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Shawn Michaels versus Bret Hart
will forever live in infamy.
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- Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels
loath one another
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whether it be out here
or back there.
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- Neither one of those guys
wanted to be number two.
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They both wanted
to be number one.
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- Bret was more
vulnerable than Shawn.
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- Get out.
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- And that was sort of
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the seeds of things to come.
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- You’re nothing
but a degenerate.
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- I don’t think there’s ever
been a rivalry
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that has been
talked about as much
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as this issue between
Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels.
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- It made things interesting
to go to work
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’cause you never knew.
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Like, it was a powder keg.
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- [bleep] you.
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- You know, we started out
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pretending to be real
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and then it got real.
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- Ring the bell!
Ring the bell!
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[bell dinging]
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- I was the bad guy.
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It wasn’t fun to do.
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- I could’ve killed him
with my bare hands.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- This rivalry has just
escalated into a war.
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- When two legends collide,
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their rivalry stays
pinned in our minds forever.
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This is where we break
down the legendary stories
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behind the greatest
rivalries of all time.
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I’m Freddie Prinze Jr.,
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and this is "WWE Rivals."
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One of the most heated
and celebrated rivalries
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in the history of the business,
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Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart.
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Both of these men
are on a collision course
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and we’re at a time
where the larger men of the WWE
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are now giving
a little bit of room
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for the smaller wrestlers
to get over.
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- This is a land
of giants, right?
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When I told people
that I wanted to be
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a WWE superstar,
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I got laughed
at because I wasn’t 6’8",
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I wasn’t 300 pounds.
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And for me,
it just drew me in more
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because it made me feel
like maybe I do have a shot
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because these guys aren’t
as big as the other guys,
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but I like watching
these matches
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more so than the big guys.
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- I want you to take
a good look
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at the wrestler of the 90s.
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- In the early 90s, the shift
was to a more athletic
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in ring-based characters
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where you were getting guys
that could really go
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in the ring and have
great wrestling matches.
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- Whoa!
- What a high-risk move.
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- It was
the opportunity for us
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because a lot of the stalwarts,
I guess,
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from the early WWE days
were starting to leave.
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- Hulk Hogan is here
in the WCW.
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- People can say what they
want about Hogan
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and all the talent they had
over in WCW
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and what they were doing,
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but to be honest, you know,
there’s no comparison
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to what Shawn was doing
and what I was doing.
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- There are certain ones
that you get in there with
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and it’s hard to describe,
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but you just recognize
a real comfort level there.
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It felt like you could
probably do it
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with your eyes closed.
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I had that with Bret.
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- Looking at Shawn
looking at Bret,
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they’re both flag bearers
of the new generation.
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- Now, what you’re seeing,
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the blast-off
of the next decade
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in the World Wrestling
Federation.
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- It was vital
for our success
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that those guys were
at the top of their game
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and, you know--and brought
what they did to the table.
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- Whoa, take a look at that.
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Yeah, Bret Hart vision.
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- I grew up very much
snowballed in
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with the Hart family
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since I was
a ten-year-old boy.
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Growing up in Calgary, like,
he definitely came across
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as a Canadian hero.
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- He’s the best there is,
the best there was,
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the best there ever will be.
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He’s my hero and I think he’s
everybody else’s here, too.
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- I always had a crush
on Shawn Michaels.
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People always laugh
and they’re like,
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"You had a crush
on Shawn Michaels?"
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He just had that, like,
charisma about him.
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You know, he was
the Heartbreak Kid.
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- Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
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- Bret and Shawn
were like the epitome
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of what WWE was trying to be.
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- I’m gonna be carrying the
flag for the new generation.
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Who was a better wrestler?
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I would say Bret, easy.
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- The excellence of execution.
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The most scientific
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World Wrestling
Federation champion
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perhaps of all time.
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- Bret was just very good
and fluent.
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Almost everything had
a purpose and a reason.
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- You could give
Bret Hart a pail,
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and Bret Hart could
go out and have
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an entertaining,
realistic match.
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- Just a skilled
technician in the ring.
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There are no holes in
his in-ring work at all.
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I mean, he had the mat game.
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He could brawl.
He could do it all.
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He was something special
inside the ropes for sure.
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- I think I was
in my prime at that time.
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’Cause when I think
of Shawn Michaels,
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sometimes he kinda--
he kinda reminds me of me.
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Shawn was just
a really talented athlete.
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I don’t know of anybody ever
having a bad match with Shawn.
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- I was a better performer.
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- Michael heads right back in.
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That’s the kind of effort--
- Hey!
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- Once the term
"sports entertainer" came out,
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I felt like I embodied
all of that.
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You will not ever see
a man more charismatic,
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more flamboyant,
or more talented
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than the Heartbreak Kid,
Shawn Michaels.
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- High-risk maneuver!
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- In my opinion,
Shawn Michaels is
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the most talented
in-ring performer of all time,
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and he knew it.
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Back when I came in,
Shawn Michaels was
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a spoiled brat.
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It was Shawn’s world
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and the rest of us
were just playing in it.
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- In the ring,
there’s probably no one
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that I’d rather work with
than Shawn.
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- Oh!
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That’s how good he was.
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Personally,
it was a whole another issue.
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[dramatic music]
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I think initially
there was friction
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professionally that way.
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- Shawn Michaels,
I think you’re
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one of the greatest wrestlers
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I’ve ever had the privilege
of watching.
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Shawn and me were really good
friends once upon a time.
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It’s important to know
is that Shawn was
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a really close and dear friend
of mine.
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I consider Shawn Michaels
a friend.
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Somebody I invited to my home
and had in my house,
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and somebody
that played with my kids.
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- Quick, quick!
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Cover him! Cover him!
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- I remember a live event
in Calgary.
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Razor, Shawn, Diesel,
they all were at Bret’s house.
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They put milk in super soakers
and were, like,
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all shooting each other
with milk for, like, hours
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and, like, having fun.
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You know, they were all
just having a fun day
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at Bret’s house
before going down
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to the Saddledome
and working.
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So I knew they were friends.
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- He would talk about Shawn,
and like, you know,
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how much he admired him
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and how great he was
in the ring,
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but, like, he didn’t like
his--some of his ways.
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Maybe his attitude sometimes.
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- He was unprofessional
a lot of the times.
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- Why don’t you say
it to my face, huh?
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- The truth hurts.
- Huh?
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- He had a attitude to me
and I think more like
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it was all about him
and nobody else mattered.
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- You can’t have a main event
without me, for God’s sakes.
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- There you go.
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- Basically, here’s this
punk kid who’s really good,
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can back up
everything he says...
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- Can you believe
the performance thus far?
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- But he doesn’t
have that maturity.
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- Even though I was
absolute hell to deal with,
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I was just so passionate
about doing this
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and was not going to be happy
unless I could
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fulfill absolutely everything.
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- Shawn Michaels
going to WrestleMania
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to face the WWE champion.
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- The rafters are rattling
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as the WWE champion
makes his way to the ring.
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- Bret was the champion
and that was, you know,
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one thing that Shawn wanted.
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- For Shawn, he was
fixated on the title
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at that point in his life.
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- Oh--this was it, you know?
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You can make it here,
you can make it anywhere.
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- The quest
of a 12-year-old-boy
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from San Antonio, Texas
officially begins.
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- The two greatest athletes
in the history
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of the World
Wrestling Federation
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going at it at WrestleMania.
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- Going into WrestleMania,
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they had had rivalries
in the past.
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This was different
over the championship.
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- Shawn and Bret’s style
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complemented each other
perfectly,
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so the story was simple.
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It was organic.
It was easy to get to.
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- We expect to see
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the single greatest
athletic event
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in World Wrestling Federation
history.
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- This match is gonna be
60 minutes long.
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- 60-minute Iron Man Match
is one in which
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at the end of that,
the one that has got
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the most falls
becomes champion.
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- You could have offered
an hour match
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to anybody
in wrestling back then,
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and I don’t think anybody
would have taken you up on it.
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Even though you can be on
a pay-per-view,
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it was like,
"Uh-uh, I’m not gonna
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go out there for an hour."
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- It was kinda thrown out to us
like a challenge.
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"Can you guys do it?"
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- Bret and I being
the main event,
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we knew it was a big chance,
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but he and I felt confident
we were the guys to do it.
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- It’ll be maybe the
greatest match of all time,
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and I’ll be proud
to be part of it.
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- You know, we were
both just in our peak.
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I would say we were both
without a doubt for sure
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the two best wrestlers
in the world.
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I knew Shawn Michaels
three or four years ago.
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I said this is gonna be
the guy
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that’s gonna try
to take my spot.
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Unfortunately,
I’m not ready to leave yet.
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- The vignettes were
awesome ’cause you saw
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Shawn doing these, like,
handstand pushups.
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I thought that was so cool.
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The story’s already being told
of Shawn’s gonna use
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his speed and his quickness,
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and Bret’s gonna use
his hard-hitting,
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submission,
technical style.
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The stage was set.
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- Who’s better?
Me or Shawn Michaels?
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- You.
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00:10:04,380 --> 00:10:06,710
- It just made it feel
like Rocky and Drago.
255
00:10:06,816 --> 00:10:08,886
You remember the montage
of them both training,
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00:10:08,985 --> 00:10:11,255
and they have different
training styles.
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Drago’s is more modern.
258
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And then--but you got
Rocky over here
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running up mountains
and carrying logs.
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- Shawn Michaels is very good,
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00:10:21,063 --> 00:10:22,463
but he is not
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and he never ever will be
the best.
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- They both thought
they were the best
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and were gonna prove it.
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Neither one of those guys
wanted to be number two.
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They both wanted
to be number one.
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- I think tomorrow in
the 60-minute Iron Man Match
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that I’ll prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt
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that I’m everything
that I say that I am.
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I’m the best there is,
the best there was,
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and the best there
ever will be.
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- This contest is
the special Iron Man Match
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for the World Wrestling
Federation Championship.
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- If you look at
the Iron Man Match,
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no match has ever
been more calling
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for that type of matchup
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than those two--
an Iron Man Match.
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- Get ready, ladies
and gentlemen
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for a long, solid hour
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of non-stop World Wrestling
Federation action
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between, perhaps,
the two greatest athletes
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00:11:17,153 --> 00:11:20,193
who have ever donned
the tights.
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00:11:20,289 --> 00:11:21,919
- You’re not undecided
coming into that match.
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You’re either a Bret Hart fan
285
00:11:23,693 --> 00:11:24,863
or you’re
a Shawn Michaels fan,
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00:11:24,961 --> 00:11:28,931
but you are aware
and respect the other.
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00:11:29,031 --> 00:11:30,901
- You talk about,
like, Bret and Shawn
288
00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,930
and you have to appreciate
the fact
289
00:11:33,035 --> 00:11:36,975
that these guys really
genuinely want to be the best.
290
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The best or nothing else.
291
00:11:39,342 --> 00:11:41,072
- We were kind of
sitting near the top
292
00:11:41,177 --> 00:11:42,277
and I just remember being
like,
293
00:11:42,378 --> 00:11:43,748
"I wonder if this match is
gonna be boring,"
294
00:11:43,846 --> 00:11:46,816
because earlier in the day,
we were eating
295
00:11:46,916 --> 00:11:48,786
this WrestleMania breakfast
in the hotel,
296
00:11:48,884 --> 00:11:50,084
and I remember
we see Shawn eating
297
00:11:50,186 --> 00:11:52,256
and he said,
"I’m really nervous."
298
00:11:52,355 --> 00:11:54,755
I just remember
being so blown away
299
00:11:54,857 --> 00:11:56,527
that here’s Shawn Michaels
about to be
300
00:11:56,626 --> 00:11:57,766
in the main event
of WrestleMania
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00:11:57,860 --> 00:11:59,330
and he’s saying he’s nervous.
302
00:11:59,428 --> 00:12:00,758
- We were excited about it,
303
00:12:00,863 --> 00:12:03,563
and always a little bit of that
excitement is nerves,
304
00:12:03,666 --> 00:12:05,436
you know, and anxiety.
305
00:12:05,534 --> 00:12:07,234
But that’s what makes
somebody competitive.
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00:12:07,336 --> 00:12:09,206
That’s what you live for
is overcoming
307
00:12:09,305 --> 00:12:10,705
and achieving
in the face
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00:12:10,806 --> 00:12:13,246
of some of that stress
and that anxiety.
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- The man who wins
the most decisions
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will be declared the winner
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and the World Wrestling
Federation champion.
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- Here we go.
60 minutes long.
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- You know,
as the match goes
314
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it’s really important
to make sure
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we didn’t lose the audience.
316
00:12:33,229 --> 00:12:35,459
- How in the hell
is anybody gonna
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00:12:35,564 --> 00:12:37,464
keep their attention span
for 60 minutes
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00:12:37,566 --> 00:12:39,066
on a wrestling match?
319
00:12:39,168 --> 00:12:40,428
- Look out!
- It’s that boot!
320
00:12:40,536 --> 00:12:42,106
Did you see what he did?
321
00:12:42,204 --> 00:12:43,644
- It’s what made
the match so special
322
00:12:43,739 --> 00:12:46,339
is that there was a certain
pacing to that match.
323
00:12:46,442 --> 00:12:47,912
You didn’t know
who was gonna win.
324
00:12:48,010 --> 00:12:49,640
It was so back and forth
and real.
325
00:12:50,379 --> 00:12:52,339
- 20 minutes
into this matchup,
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ladies and gentlemen,
and surprisingly,
327
00:12:54,717 --> 00:12:56,857
there has not been a decision.
328
00:12:56,952 --> 00:12:59,052
- Both these guys are pitching
a shutout, McMahon.
329
00:12:59,155 --> 00:13:01,355
- Those guys were
able to tell a story
330
00:13:01,457 --> 00:13:03,397
over the course of 60 minutes.
331
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If anything, they didn’t
slow down, they sped up.
332
00:13:05,361 --> 00:13:06,661
- Oh, my goodness.
333
00:13:06,762 --> 00:13:09,532
The intensity beginning
to build here.
334
00:13:09,632 --> 00:13:11,962
- Trying to outshine each other
for 60 minutes.
335
00:13:13,302 --> 00:13:14,972
- Wait a minute,
Michael is going upstairs!
336
00:13:15,071 --> 00:13:16,301
- Look out!
- Look at that!
337
00:13:17,673 --> 00:13:19,543
- I’ve called
a lot of matches.
338
00:13:19,642 --> 00:13:22,312
There are very few
that really stand out.
339
00:13:22,411 --> 00:13:25,611
I’ve never seen two more
determined individuals.
340
00:13:25,715 --> 00:13:27,155
- Both individuals
not wanting to be
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00:13:27,249 --> 00:13:29,879
the one who makes the mistake.
342
00:13:29,985 --> 00:13:31,555
- When Shawn came
off the top rope
343
00:13:31,654 --> 00:13:33,494
in the last minute
of the match,
344
00:13:33,589 --> 00:13:36,219
that blew everybody away.
345
00:13:36,325 --> 00:13:39,395
- He caught him! Sharpshooter!
Sharpshooter in--
346
00:13:39,495 --> 00:13:42,135
He got him! He got him!
- Unbelievable!
347
00:13:42,231 --> 00:13:43,701
He got him, McMahon!
348
00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,069
- I just thought it was
so neat to be in this hole
349
00:13:46,168 --> 00:13:48,098
of "Oh, I’m about to give up."
350
00:13:48,204 --> 00:13:49,704
- Michaels, trying to hang on!
351
00:13:49,805 --> 00:13:52,845
all: Three, two, one!
352
00:13:52,942 --> 00:13:54,272
[bell dings]
353
00:13:57,613 --> 00:13:59,753
- We ended it at 60 minutes.
354
00:13:59,849 --> 00:14:00,979
No one had defeated anyone.
355
00:14:01,083 --> 00:14:03,223
It was a draw.
It was unprecedented.
356
00:14:03,319 --> 00:14:05,579
It was like,
"Okay, now what do you do?"
357
00:14:05,688 --> 00:14:08,228
- Ladies and gentlemen,
your attention, please.
358
00:14:08,324 --> 00:14:13,834
This match has been
ordered to continue
359
00:14:13,929 --> 00:14:18,429
under sudden death rules.
360
00:14:19,568 --> 00:14:21,868
- We’re in overtime, McMahon!
361
00:14:21,971 --> 00:14:23,401
- In a lot of ways
I could argue, like,
362
00:14:23,506 --> 00:14:25,876
I got through the 60-minute
Iron Man Match
363
00:14:25,975 --> 00:14:27,645
and there should never
have been an overtime.
364
00:14:27,743 --> 00:14:30,113
It was a great little swerve
in the storyline.
365
00:14:30,212 --> 00:14:31,842
- I can tell you right now,
Bret Hart does not like
366
00:14:31,947 --> 00:14:35,017
this decision, and he’s gonna
take it out on Shawn Michaels.
367
00:14:36,786 --> 00:14:37,986
- It’s a match that’s so vivid
368
00:14:38,087 --> 00:14:40,057
it’s just left
etched in your mind.
369
00:14:40,156 --> 00:14:42,926
- Michaels has got it!
Shawn Michaels got it!
370
00:14:43,025 --> 00:14:44,525
- So many people have said,
371
00:14:44,627 --> 00:14:46,437
"That is the match that
made me wanna be a wrestler."
372
00:14:46,529 --> 00:14:48,059
- Michaels superkick!
373
00:14:48,164 --> 00:14:49,434
He got all of it.
374
00:14:49,532 --> 00:14:51,862
Michaels got all of it!
Michaels with a cover!
375
00:14:51,967 --> 00:14:55,077
One, two, yeah!
- No!
376
00:14:55,171 --> 00:14:56,501
[bell dings]
377
00:14:58,007 --> 00:15:00,917
[sentimental music]
378
00:15:01,010 --> 00:15:02,240
♪ ♪
379
00:15:02,344 --> 00:15:03,384
- I look back on it
380
00:15:03,479 --> 00:15:04,809
as a match
that I’m proud of.
381
00:15:04,914 --> 00:15:06,384
I thought it was monumental.
382
00:15:07,716 --> 00:15:09,686
- I could never have done
that match with anybody
383
00:15:09,785 --> 00:15:11,655
but Shawn Michaels.
384
00:15:11,754 --> 00:15:13,054
- Honestly, I don’t know
385
00:15:13,155 --> 00:15:14,995
that I could have done it
with anybody else.
386
00:15:15,090 --> 00:15:17,720
So for all the differences
he and I had after that,
387
00:15:17,827 --> 00:15:20,967
not another dude I would
rather be out there with,
388
00:15:21,063 --> 00:15:23,303
and certainly
not at that time in my life.
389
00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:26,707
- I remember seeing
Shawn Michaels repel
390
00:15:26,802 --> 00:15:27,902
from the ceiling that night,
391
00:15:28,003 --> 00:15:29,273
and seeing
that incredible Iron Man Match
392
00:15:29,371 --> 00:15:30,641
and thinking afterwards,
393
00:15:30,739 --> 00:15:32,139
"You know what?
I don’t think I belong here."
394
00:15:32,241 --> 00:15:34,971
It was that good.
A masterpiece.
395
00:15:35,077 --> 00:15:36,187
One of the greatest matches
of all time.
396
00:15:36,278 --> 00:15:37,778
Those guys performed
397
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,180
in the ring together
masterfully,
398
00:15:40,282 --> 00:15:41,852
even though they disliked
each other very much.
399
00:15:41,951 --> 00:15:43,481
They were very professional,
you know?
400
00:15:43,586 --> 00:15:45,426
But it tells you how great
they both were.
401
00:15:45,521 --> 00:15:47,451
They put magic together.
402
00:15:48,958 --> 00:15:54,138
- The boyhood dream has
come true for Shawn Michaels.
403
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:56,630
- My immaturity
and my hot-headedness
404
00:15:56,732 --> 00:15:58,932
took over at that point.
405
00:15:59,034 --> 00:16:00,734
- And Shawn Michaels
being awarded
406
00:16:00,836 --> 00:16:04,376
the WWE title right in front
of Bret The Hitman Hart.
407
00:16:04,473 --> 00:16:06,073
- Shawn, you can see him
right on camera
408
00:16:06,175 --> 00:16:07,945
telling me to get
the F out of the ring.
409
00:16:09,278 --> 00:16:10,388
And he’s yelling at
the referee
410
00:16:10,479 --> 00:16:11,379
who comes over and tells me
411
00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,780
to get out of the ring.
412
00:16:12,882 --> 00:16:13,982
And I’m like,
413
00:16:14,083 --> 00:16:15,613
"I just gave you an hour match
414
00:16:15,718 --> 00:16:18,558
"of everything
I could give you,
415
00:16:18,654 --> 00:16:20,454
"passed the torch to you,
416
00:16:20,556 --> 00:16:24,026
and you disrespect
me like that on my way out."
417
00:16:24,126 --> 00:16:26,536
- I definitely noticed
some animosity.
418
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:28,529
and then at the end
of that match
419
00:16:28,631 --> 00:16:30,461
it almost boiled
completely over.
420
00:16:31,767 --> 00:16:34,737
- It’s almost
a blur now, honestly.
421
00:16:34,837 --> 00:16:37,177
What I remember is Earl trying
to put the belt on me.
422
00:16:37,273 --> 00:16:38,543
He snapped it in,
423
00:16:38,641 --> 00:16:40,011
and fumbling around
and fumbling around,
424
00:16:40,109 --> 00:16:41,569
and that’s one of those
moments where you go, like,
425
00:16:41,677 --> 00:16:44,147
"This is not turning out
like I thought it would."
426
00:16:44,246 --> 00:16:45,886
We call it a cluster [bleep].
427
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:48,409
- Bret’s walk back
to the locker room
428
00:16:48,517 --> 00:16:49,927
where he’s, like,
visibly pissed off.
429
00:16:50,019 --> 00:16:51,279
But, like, that’s iconic,
you know?
430
00:16:51,387 --> 00:16:54,027
Like, I have the visual
in my head so clearly.
431
00:16:55,925 --> 00:16:57,425
- Good business, good business.
[applause]
432
00:16:57,526 --> 00:16:59,066
- Great match, brother.
433
00:17:00,095 --> 00:17:01,435
- I just thought it was
part of the show.
434
00:17:01,530 --> 00:17:02,690
I didn’t think
it’s any kind of
435
00:17:02,798 --> 00:17:05,398
actual personal thing
going on.
436
00:17:05,501 --> 00:17:07,871
I’ve later found out
that it was.
437
00:17:08,871 --> 00:17:11,071
Bret didn’t go to
the WrestleMania after-party.
438
00:17:11,173 --> 00:17:12,873
At the talent one,
he wasn’t there.
439
00:17:12,975 --> 00:17:14,475
Shawn was.
440
00:17:14,577 --> 00:17:17,447
- Get out! Get out.
441
00:17:17,546 --> 00:17:19,116
Get out!
442
00:17:19,214 --> 00:17:21,484
- It just all added to
the real tensions
443
00:17:21,584 --> 00:17:23,184
between us as professionals.
444
00:17:29,391 --> 00:17:30,761
- And Shawn Michaels
is being awarded
445
00:17:30,859 --> 00:17:34,189
the WWE title right in front
of Bret The Hitman Hart.
446
00:17:34,296 --> 00:17:36,566
- At WrestleMania 12,
the babyface is telling
447
00:17:36,665 --> 00:17:39,165
the other guy
to get the F out of the ring.
448
00:17:40,536 --> 00:17:42,306
The whole story is filled
449
00:17:42,404 --> 00:17:44,674
with the backstage
coming alive.
450
00:17:44,773 --> 00:17:46,743
- Get out!
451
00:17:46,842 --> 00:17:48,672
- Shawn and me buried
the hatchet two or three times
452
00:17:48,777 --> 00:17:52,217
when we had started
to get too--too tense.
453
00:17:53,315 --> 00:17:57,225
And I don’t want anybody else.
I want you at 100%.
454
00:17:58,454 --> 00:18:01,194
- Bret and I always tried
to catch ourselves.
455
00:18:01,290 --> 00:18:02,920
We knew that it was getting
out of control.
456
00:18:03,025 --> 00:18:06,395
It’s steamrolling, and we would
try to pull ourselves back.
457
00:18:06,495 --> 00:18:08,295
And every time we would do
that,
458
00:18:08,397 --> 00:18:09,867
something would happen.
459
00:18:09,965 --> 00:18:12,565
[explosions booming]
460
00:18:13,235 --> 00:18:14,505
[tense music]
461
00:18:14,603 --> 00:18:16,343
- The World Wrestling
Federation needs a hero.
462
00:18:16,438 --> 00:18:17,798
They need a role model.
463
00:18:17,906 --> 00:18:19,916
They need somebody
they can look up to.
464
00:18:20,009 --> 00:18:23,409
Not somebody that poses
for girly magazines.
465
00:18:23,512 --> 00:18:25,042
- In my mind,
you have two choices.
466
00:18:25,147 --> 00:18:28,257
I can either crawl
inside myself and fold,
467
00:18:28,350 --> 00:18:30,220
or I’d come back guns
a-blazing.
468
00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:34,519
By the way, how’d you know
I was in that girly magazine?
469
00:18:34,623 --> 00:18:36,723
You couldn’t help yourself,
could ya?
470
00:18:36,825 --> 00:18:39,795
You had to flip through
the pages just a little bit.
471
00:18:41,463 --> 00:18:44,433
- There’s a lot of times
when you have personal tension
472
00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:47,003
that it translates well
on television.
473
00:18:47,102 --> 00:18:49,272
- Look out! Wait, wait,
Shawn Michaels, no!
474
00:18:49,371 --> 00:18:51,601
- I think the whole thing
added to the mystique
475
00:18:51,707 --> 00:18:54,077
and to the rivalry itself.
476
00:18:54,176 --> 00:18:56,746
- Hitman,
when I get a hold of you,
477
00:18:56,845 --> 00:18:59,815
I am gonna tear you to pieces.
478
00:18:59,915 --> 00:19:01,885
I guarantee it.
479
00:19:01,984 --> 00:19:03,784
- It was really
great television.
480
00:19:03,886 --> 00:19:05,286
And they were the best.
481
00:19:05,387 --> 00:19:10,297
- Shawn Michaels,
I will kick your ass.
482
00:19:11,593 --> 00:19:13,263
- Shawn Michaels--
they were pushing the envelope,
483
00:19:13,362 --> 00:19:14,732
and Bret wasn’t about that.
484
00:19:14,830 --> 00:19:16,430
He wasn’t about
pointing at your crotch
485
00:19:16,532 --> 00:19:18,102
or pulling your pants down.
486
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,270
- You’re a disgrace
to wrestling.
487
00:19:20,369 --> 00:19:23,339
You’re nothing
but a degenerate.
488
00:19:23,439 --> 00:19:24,569
- It took on
a life of its own.
489
00:19:24,673 --> 00:19:25,743
It was very, very personal.
490
00:19:25,841 --> 00:19:27,111
- What?
491
00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:29,039
I love Canada.
492
00:19:29,144 --> 00:19:31,644
- You were seeing real-life
drama play out on television.
493
00:19:31,747 --> 00:19:34,557
- I can’t stand you,
and you make me sick.
494
00:19:34,650 --> 00:19:35,810
- That was different than
495
00:19:35,918 --> 00:19:37,458
the rest of the things
happening on the show.
496
00:19:37,553 --> 00:19:39,223
[cheering]
497
00:19:39,988 --> 00:19:41,988
- To me, coming from
down in Tennessee,
498
00:19:42,091 --> 00:19:45,321
we used to have a sign
on the wall in our office
499
00:19:45,427 --> 00:19:49,037
that said
"Personal issues draw money."
500
00:19:49,131 --> 00:19:51,531
- You’re nothing but a punk.
501
00:19:51,633 --> 00:19:52,863
- I think it was
the first time
502
00:19:52,968 --> 00:19:54,898
that we were trying
to view the product
503
00:19:55,003 --> 00:19:57,003
as a little
more reality-based.
504
00:19:57,106 --> 00:19:59,976
That there are human beings
behind the characters
505
00:20:00,075 --> 00:20:01,945
and that the human
beings have feelings.
506
00:20:02,044 --> 00:20:03,544
Sometimes those
feelings get hurt.
507
00:20:03,645 --> 00:20:05,545
- I’m not gonna lie to you.
508
00:20:05,647 --> 00:20:10,157
Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels
loath one another
509
00:20:10,252 --> 00:20:13,722
whether it be out here
or back there.
510
00:20:13,822 --> 00:20:16,492
- Bret was way more vulnerable
than Shawn,
511
00:20:16,592 --> 00:20:18,062
and Shawn had the gift of gab,
512
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,260
which bothered Bret,
513
00:20:20,362 --> 00:20:23,702
and I think that was sort of
the seeds of things to come.
514
00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:26,029
- You know, we started
out pretending to be real,
515
00:20:26,135 --> 00:20:27,205
and then it got real.
516
00:20:27,302 --> 00:20:30,202
- Hitman, I’ve seen
you on the road,
517
00:20:30,305 --> 00:20:33,245
and bro,
you ain’t no role model.
518
00:20:33,342 --> 00:20:35,672
- I’ll say anything
on television.
519
00:20:35,778 --> 00:20:36,988
I have no shame.
520
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,750
- The real turning point
was the promo
521
00:20:40,849 --> 00:20:44,819
that Shawn cut on "Raw"
about Bret having Sunny days.
522
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,550
- Even though lately you’ve
had some Sunny days, my friend,
523
00:20:49,658 --> 00:20:52,858
you still can’t
get the job done.
524
00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:54,461
- That was implying
that there was
525
00:20:54,563 --> 00:20:57,503
something going on
between Bret and Sunny,
526
00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:58,859
who was a valet.
527
00:20:58,967 --> 00:21:01,807
- Look at Sunny.
She looks great, doesn’t she?
528
00:21:01,904 --> 00:21:04,204
- Basically said
Bret slept with Sunny.
529
00:21:04,306 --> 00:21:06,746
- The Sunny days that are
supposed to have happened,
530
00:21:06,842 --> 00:21:08,342
they’ve never happened.
531
00:21:08,443 --> 00:21:11,613
He crossed the line
that nobody should ever cross.
532
00:21:11,713 --> 00:21:13,113
You know, those are
the kinda of things
533
00:21:13,215 --> 00:21:15,355
that could topple my marriage.
534
00:21:15,450 --> 00:21:16,920
When I came home the next day,
535
00:21:17,019 --> 00:21:19,319
my son Dallas
had been at school.
536
00:21:19,421 --> 00:21:20,891
First thing he asked me,
he goes,
537
00:21:20,989 --> 00:21:23,759
"So what’s going on
with you and Sunny?"
538
00:21:23,859 --> 00:21:25,189
I got really mad then.
539
00:21:26,228 --> 00:21:28,498
- Breaking the fourth wall,
peeling the curtain back,
540
00:21:28,597 --> 00:21:30,137
it’s everything.
541
00:21:30,232 --> 00:21:31,662
It’s breaking every rule.
542
00:21:32,501 --> 00:21:34,131
- At that time in my life,
543
00:21:34,236 --> 00:21:36,676
single, successful,
544
00:21:36,772 --> 00:21:38,442
not a care in the world.
545
00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:40,470
I used to tell
everybody all the time,
546
00:21:40,576 --> 00:21:42,946
"Dude, you are bringing
a frickin’ spoon
547
00:21:43,045 --> 00:21:45,415
to a guy
with a frickin’ shotgun."
548
00:21:45,514 --> 00:21:47,284
I got nothing to lose.
549
00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:51,880
- Two words which every fan
remembers--Sunny days.
550
00:21:51,987 --> 00:21:54,457
- Shawn had nothing to lose.
- Yeah.
551
00:21:54,556 --> 00:21:56,226
[laughter]
552
00:21:56,325 --> 00:21:57,995
- Shawn’s single.
- Right.
553
00:21:58,093 --> 00:22:00,233
- You know when two guys are
on a collision course for--
554
00:22:00,329 --> 00:22:01,929
for a fight at some point.
555
00:22:02,030 --> 00:22:03,630
We knew it probably
wouldn’t happen in the ring
556
00:22:03,732 --> 00:22:05,162
’cause they were both
very professional.
557
00:22:05,267 --> 00:22:07,007
We knew it’d probably
happen backstage.
558
00:22:07,102 --> 00:22:08,902
We were just hoping
we’d all get to see it.
559
00:22:09,004 --> 00:22:11,474
[fireworks exploding]
560
00:22:11,573 --> 00:22:12,843
- Yes, indeed!
561
00:22:12,941 --> 00:22:17,381
They are ready
for action tonight on "Raw".
562
00:22:17,479 --> 00:22:20,279
- I flew in for
the TVs for Hartford.
563
00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:24,222
I made up my mind
that I was gonna snatch Shawn.
564
00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:26,849
I was really ready
to kill him when I saw him.
565
00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:30,096
Walked right up to him,
pushed him with my hands
566
00:22:30,192 --> 00:22:31,162
against the wall.
567
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:32,890
- All of a sudden,
these two guys
568
00:22:32,995 --> 00:22:34,195
burst through the wall.
569
00:22:34,296 --> 00:22:36,136
- Some other people
came and pulled us apart,
570
00:22:36,231 --> 00:22:37,761
and--[imitates ripping]
as he did that,
571
00:22:37,866 --> 00:22:39,236
he ripped out
a huge clump of hair.
572
00:22:39,334 --> 00:22:40,774
- It was one of
the wildest scenes
573
00:22:40,869 --> 00:22:42,269
that I’ve ever witnessed
in all the years
574
00:22:42,371 --> 00:22:43,801
I’ve been in the business.
575
00:22:45,140 --> 00:22:47,710
- These two men were
done being professional.
576
00:22:47,809 --> 00:22:52,039
They had an actual fight that
broke down in the locker room.
577
00:22:52,147 --> 00:22:55,487
- They just didn’t--genuinely
didn’t like each other at all.
578
00:22:55,584 --> 00:22:58,254
It’s much tougher
to work with somebody
579
00:22:58,353 --> 00:23:00,853
that you don’t like
because you don’t trust ’em.
580
00:23:00,956 --> 00:23:02,196
- It must’ve been miserable
for everybody
581
00:23:02,291 --> 00:23:03,661
to go through, too,
in the locker room
582
00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:07,289
and the drama and your
two main guys constantly at it.
583
00:23:07,863 --> 00:23:09,133
- [bleep] you.
584
00:23:09,231 --> 00:23:11,001
- It made things
interesting to go to work.
585
00:23:12,501 --> 00:23:15,001
’Cause you never knew.
Like, it was a powder keg.
586
00:23:15,103 --> 00:23:16,403
[cheering]
[bell dings]
587
00:23:16,505 --> 00:23:21,415
- And Bret Hart is once again
WWE champion.
588
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:23,640
- Bret was still
kind of unhappy.
589
00:23:23,745 --> 00:23:25,785
And this was also
during a time
590
00:23:25,881 --> 00:23:28,051
that Bret’s contract
was coming to an end.
591
00:23:28,817 --> 00:23:32,857
WCW, our competitors, were
offering guaranteed contracts.
592
00:23:32,955 --> 00:23:34,025
- They made their offer to me,
593
00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:35,922
and I finally got it
in my fax machine.
594
00:23:36,024 --> 00:23:37,194
And it was right there,
595
00:23:37,292 --> 00:23:38,562
and it’s, like,
all I have to do is sign it,
596
00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:40,160
and then I call Vince.
597
00:23:46,068 --> 00:23:48,108
- The story
of Bret leaving WWE
598
00:23:48,203 --> 00:23:50,103
is actually pretty complicated
599
00:23:50,205 --> 00:23:54,075
because there’d been a bidding
war between WCW and WWE.
600
00:23:54,176 --> 00:23:56,486
- Bret was negotiating
on the other side,
601
00:23:56,578 --> 00:24:00,648
seeing if the grass was
greener down south at WCW.
602
00:24:00,749 --> 00:24:03,719
- This was right at the height
of the Monday Night Wars.
603
00:24:03,819 --> 00:24:05,219
People had jumped ship,
604
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,690
but nobody of the stature
of Bret The Hitman Hart,
605
00:24:08,790 --> 00:24:11,190
because he was the champion.
606
00:24:11,293 --> 00:24:13,463
- It was very hard
for me to picture
607
00:24:13,562 --> 00:24:16,762
the WWE without Bret in it.
608
00:24:16,865 --> 00:24:19,465
I just figured
it would get worked out.
609
00:24:19,568 --> 00:24:22,478
- Bret was being offered the
highest contract of all time.
610
00:24:22,571 --> 00:24:25,771
- Yeah, I think I got offered
about 2.6 million a year,
611
00:24:25,874 --> 00:24:28,014
and I remember Vince
pretty much said,
612
00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:29,940
"You better take
the WCW contract."
613
00:24:30,045 --> 00:24:32,245
- Is he going WCW?
614
00:24:32,347 --> 00:24:34,787
- Well, I’ll tell you
exactly what--
615
00:24:34,883 --> 00:24:36,253
what situation
I’m in right now.
616
00:24:36,351 --> 00:24:39,621
I’ve given my 30-day notice.
617
00:24:39,721 --> 00:24:41,391
It is common knowledge
at this point
618
00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:43,090
that Bret is going.
619
00:24:43,191 --> 00:24:46,991
- But at the same time,
he’s WWE champion.
620
00:24:47,095 --> 00:24:48,365
So you have to figure out
621
00:24:48,463 --> 00:24:51,033
okay, how do you maneuver
through that?
622
00:24:52,267 --> 00:24:54,637
- I’ve got you
in the Survivor Series,
623
00:24:54,736 --> 00:24:56,276
and when that day comes,
624
00:24:56,371 --> 00:24:58,871
I’m gonna kick
your little scrawny ass.
625
00:24:59,307 --> 00:25:01,577
[cheering]
626
00:25:01,676 --> 00:25:03,716
I found out I was
wrestling Shawn.
627
00:25:03,812 --> 00:25:07,352
It was me and Shawn at
Survivor Series in Montreal.
628
00:25:07,449 --> 00:25:08,709
I remember I said,
"Hey, Shawn,
629
00:25:08,817 --> 00:25:11,227
"I know we’re wrestling
at Survivor Series,
630
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:12,519
"and I just want you to know,
631
00:25:12,621 --> 00:25:14,221
"I don’t have any problem
whatever the finish is.
632
00:25:14,322 --> 00:25:17,022
Like, if they want you to win.
I’m okay with that."
633
00:25:17,125 --> 00:25:19,595
I’ve always been a company guy,
and I’m professional.
634
00:25:19,694 --> 00:25:22,464
And I remember Shawn looked
at me and said--
635
00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:24,364
he goes, "I appreciate that,
but I just want you to know
636
00:25:24,466 --> 00:25:26,366
that I would never
do the same thing for you."
637
00:25:27,602 --> 00:25:28,732
- It’s a dicey thing,
638
00:25:28,837 --> 00:25:30,677
but I don’t have
any recollection of it.
639
00:25:30,772 --> 00:25:33,342
At the very least, I’ve never
tried to run away
640
00:25:33,442 --> 00:25:37,042
from my very blatant
unprofessionalism back then.
641
00:25:37,145 --> 00:25:39,115
- When I told Vince I said,
"I can’t drop the belt
642
00:25:39,214 --> 00:25:41,114
"to a guy that would
be that unprofessional
643
00:25:41,216 --> 00:25:43,856
and tell me that he would never
do the same thing for me."
644
00:25:46,188 --> 00:25:48,658
- Doesn’t matter whether
it’s Shawn or anybody else.
645
00:25:48,757 --> 00:25:50,567
This is what
you do for the company
646
00:25:50,659 --> 00:25:52,259
that you helped build.
647
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:54,060
- Everybody was talking
in the locker rooms.
648
00:25:54,162 --> 00:25:56,932
"Can you imagine if Bret
jumped ship,
649
00:25:57,032 --> 00:26:00,472
shows up at WCW,
and he’s still our champion?"
650
00:26:00,569 --> 00:26:02,129
- Bret couldn’t be allowed
651
00:26:02,237 --> 00:26:04,407
to go to WCW
with the championship.
652
00:26:04,506 --> 00:26:06,176
He had to drop that title
653
00:26:06,274 --> 00:26:08,174
to somebody in WWE.
654
00:26:08,276 --> 00:26:09,876
There was no way
655
00:26:09,978 --> 00:26:12,338
we could allow Bret
to go to WCW
656
00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:14,157
with that championship.
657
00:26:14,249 --> 00:26:15,479
♪ ♪
658
00:26:15,584 --> 00:26:17,284
- You gotta understand,
Bret Hart said
659
00:26:17,385 --> 00:26:18,685
he was not gonna leave
with the title.
660
00:26:18,787 --> 00:26:20,597
That he would not
use it at WCW.
661
00:26:20,689 --> 00:26:22,149
Bret Hart’s
a man of integrity.
662
00:26:22,257 --> 00:26:23,567
I believe Brett.
663
00:26:23,658 --> 00:26:25,018
Problem is,
Bischoff had already done it.
664
00:26:25,127 --> 00:26:26,567
- And that’s what
it’s all about.
665
00:26:26,661 --> 00:26:28,191
The current title holder.
666
00:26:28,296 --> 00:26:29,566
- Madusa goes down there
and throws
667
00:26:29,664 --> 00:26:31,904
the women’s championship
in the trash.
668
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,370
- And that’s what I think
669
00:26:33,468 --> 00:26:35,968
of the WWE
women’s championship belt.
670
00:26:36,071 --> 00:26:38,441
- We’re losing one
of our great champions.
671
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,540
We can’t lose
the championship with it.
672
00:26:42,744 --> 00:26:47,284
- Welcome, everyone, to the
11th annual Survivor Series.
673
00:26:47,382 --> 00:26:49,882
[cheers and applause]
674
00:26:49,985 --> 00:26:53,625
- There were rumblings as far
as how are we gonna do this
675
00:26:53,722 --> 00:26:55,852
from Bret
for the entire week.
676
00:26:55,957 --> 00:26:58,097
There was a documentary
that was there,
677
00:26:58,193 --> 00:27:01,063
and they secretly recorded
the conversation.
678
00:27:08,036 --> 00:27:10,046
- The championship
does not change hands
679
00:27:10,138 --> 00:27:11,538
on a disqualification.
680
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,170
In order for a championship
to change hands,
681
00:27:14,276 --> 00:27:17,646
you have to win by
a pinfall or a submission.
682
00:27:17,746 --> 00:27:19,386
- There was lots of
things we could have done
683
00:27:19,481 --> 00:27:22,211
that would have been okay.
684
00:27:22,317 --> 00:27:23,557
- That’s not Bret’s choice.
685
00:27:23,652 --> 00:27:25,582
And it’s not
what we wanted--
686
00:27:25,687 --> 00:27:30,167
from a creative point of view,
what we wanted to.
687
00:27:30,258 --> 00:27:34,658
Bret was unwilling
to do what he needed to do
688
00:27:34,763 --> 00:27:36,133
which was make sure
689
00:27:36,231 --> 00:27:38,101
that Shawn left that night
as the champion.
690
00:27:39,568 --> 00:27:42,378
- I want to say the Wednesday
before that pay-per-view,
691
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:43,900
I was in Texas,
692
00:27:44,005 --> 00:27:46,005
on the telephone
with Vince McMahon,
693
00:27:46,107 --> 00:27:47,947
discussing about
the belt not leaving the WWE.
694
00:27:49,077 --> 00:27:51,217
And of course sort of talking
around the whole,
695
00:27:51,313 --> 00:27:53,243
like, "Do we wanna, you know,
696
00:27:53,348 --> 00:27:54,558
we wanna frickin’
get that thing
697
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:55,879
by hook or by crook.
698
00:27:55,984 --> 00:27:57,254
And Vince was like,
"What are we talking about?
699
00:27:57,352 --> 00:27:58,722
And you know,
"Look, I’ll do whatever
700
00:27:58,820 --> 00:28:00,250
it is you want me to do."
701
00:28:02,991 --> 00:28:06,321
- Shawn seemed like he didn’t
want any problems with me.
702
00:28:06,428 --> 00:28:08,298
We had a big talk
in the dressing room
703
00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:09,796
for maybe at least an hour
704
00:28:09,898 --> 00:28:11,868
about how he was sorry
that things got
705
00:28:11,967 --> 00:28:14,507
the way they did
and sorry that I was leaving.
706
00:28:14,603 --> 00:28:16,133
- You know,
how did we get here?
707
00:28:16,238 --> 00:28:18,608
I guess at one time
X amount of years ago,
708
00:28:18,707 --> 00:28:21,147
you know, we’re pretty
decent friends, you know?
709
00:28:21,243 --> 00:28:23,413
And we really liked each other
and it--and it really did it.
710
00:28:23,511 --> 00:28:26,751
I mean, it--it did suck.
711
00:28:26,848 --> 00:28:28,548
- This is what it’s all about.
712
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:31,520
How many times have we heard
Shawn Michael say
713
00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:33,220
"I don’t lay down for anybody?"
714
00:28:33,321 --> 00:28:35,291
- Well, folks, this is
very, very personal.
715
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:37,360
This match is gonna be stiff.
716
00:28:37,459 --> 00:28:41,389
- The Survivor Series
is a masterpiece of a match.
717
00:28:41,496 --> 00:28:43,536
- Oh, my God!
What a suplex!
718
00:28:43,632 --> 00:28:45,762
- Poured my heart out
in that match,
719
00:28:45,867 --> 00:28:47,977
and Shawn’s
working his heart out.
720
00:28:48,069 --> 00:28:51,139
- It’s just a down and dirty
fight between two guys
721
00:28:51,239 --> 00:28:53,569
that hate each other’s guts.
722
00:28:53,675 --> 00:28:56,675
- We’re ten minutes
into the actual match.
723
00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:58,138
The match was gonna
go 40 minutes.
724
00:29:00,148 --> 00:29:03,308
- It’s in Montreal,
so I’m there in person.
725
00:29:03,418 --> 00:29:05,158
I didn’t know Vince
was the owner.
726
00:29:05,253 --> 00:29:06,323
I didn’t know this.
727
00:29:06,421 --> 00:29:08,551
I just thought Vince
was a commentator.
728
00:29:08,657 --> 00:29:10,197
So then at one point
during the match,
729
00:29:10,292 --> 00:29:12,092
he comes out in this suit,
and I’m like,
730
00:29:12,193 --> 00:29:14,233
"What is going on?"
And I was so confused.
731
00:29:14,329 --> 00:29:16,059
Like, "Why is Vince McMahon
there?"
732
00:29:16,164 --> 00:29:18,764
- I see Vince McMahon there.
- Get him to the ring.
733
00:29:18,867 --> 00:29:22,077
- Trying to convince these guys
to get in the ring.
734
00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:24,570
- He wanted Bret
to see him there.
735
00:29:24,673 --> 00:29:26,503
He wanted Bret to know
736
00:29:26,608 --> 00:29:27,818
that whatever went down
737
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:30,009
was his decision
to have it happen.
738
00:29:30,912 --> 00:29:32,142
- Oh, you’re kidding me.
739
00:29:32,247 --> 00:29:34,057
- Michaels--
- Are you kidding me?
740
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:35,979
- Is he gonna try and beat
Bret Hart with a Sharpshooter?
741
00:29:36,084 --> 00:29:37,824
Yes, he is!
742
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:39,649
- Shawn puts him
in the Sharpshooter.
743
00:29:39,754 --> 00:29:41,054
Bret’s in it,
and he never tapped.
744
00:29:41,156 --> 00:29:42,396
And all of a sudden,
the bell rings.
745
00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:44,020
- Ring the bell!
Ring the bell!
746
00:29:44,125 --> 00:29:45,695
[bell dings]
747
00:29:45,794 --> 00:29:47,394
[Shawn Michaels’
theme playing]
748
00:29:47,495 --> 00:29:49,595
- Well, you talk
about controversy.
749
00:29:49,698 --> 00:29:51,468
- And that’s when I knew
they screwed me.
750
00:29:56,871 --> 00:29:58,401
- Look at this.
- Oh, you’re kidding me.
751
00:29:58,506 --> 00:30:00,216
- Michaels--
- Are you kidding me?
752
00:30:00,308 --> 00:30:02,168
- Is he gonna try and beat
Bret Hart with a Sharpshooter?
753
00:30:02,277 --> 00:30:03,847
Yes, he is!
754
00:30:03,945 --> 00:30:06,215
- Shawn put Bret
in the Sharpshooter,
755
00:30:06,314 --> 00:30:07,954
and Earl Hebner rang the bell.
756
00:30:08,049 --> 00:30:09,279
- Ring the bell!
757
00:30:09,384 --> 00:30:11,984
Ring the bell!
[bell dings]
758
00:30:12,087 --> 00:30:14,857
- Shawn wins, and they just
act like Bret tapped out.
759
00:30:14,956 --> 00:30:17,426
- Bret Hart gave up
on the Sharpshooter.
760
00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:21,265
- Vince was doing
what was best for business.
761
00:30:21,363 --> 00:30:22,593
- All of a sudden,
Bret just
762
00:30:22,697 --> 00:30:23,907
looked him right in the eye
and went...
763
00:30:23,998 --> 00:30:25,298
[snorting]
764
00:30:27,068 --> 00:30:30,638
I said, "Did he just spit
in Vince McMahon’s eye?"
765
00:30:30,739 --> 00:30:32,099
That’s the moment, for me,
766
00:30:32,207 --> 00:30:36,317
that I knew everything
had gone off the rails.
767
00:30:36,411 --> 00:30:39,411
- Bret just disrespecting
Vince.
768
00:30:39,514 --> 00:30:41,354
He didn’t really care.
You know, it washes off.
769
00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:46,527
- What he did to me
was a huge betrayal to me.
770
00:30:46,621 --> 00:30:47,621
- It’s all a blur to me.
771
00:30:47,722 --> 00:30:48,792
And--
[imitates rocket]
772
00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:51,260
I was out
of there like a scalded dog.
773
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:52,789
- I was at
the gorilla position,
774
00:30:52,894 --> 00:30:54,334
which is the last bastion
775
00:30:54,429 --> 00:30:55,789
before you walk out
to the curtain.
776
00:30:55,897 --> 00:30:57,307
And at that point...
777
00:31:00,335 --> 00:31:01,935
- I was by myself
in Vince’s office,
778
00:31:02,036 --> 00:31:04,206
watching it on the monitor.
779
00:31:04,305 --> 00:31:06,175
It goes down,
and I’m just like,
780
00:31:06,274 --> 00:31:10,614
"Holy crap.
This is about to blow up."
781
00:31:10,712 --> 00:31:12,712
- We were just as stunned
as everyone else.
782
00:31:12,814 --> 00:31:15,454
We had no idea
what had just happened.
783
00:31:15,550 --> 00:31:17,850
- The entire arena could tell
that Bret was screwed.
784
00:31:17,952 --> 00:31:20,622
So that’s where it was called
the Montreal Screw Job.
785
00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:24,620
- This was the moment
that changed wrestling
786
00:31:24,726 --> 00:31:27,596
for an entire generation
and forever more.
787
00:31:27,695 --> 00:31:30,265
- It was almost, like,
kind of anticlimactic.
788
00:31:30,365 --> 00:31:31,605
- It was such confusion!
- The match was going great,
789
00:31:31,699 --> 00:31:32,929
and there was
so much confusion.
790
00:31:33,034 --> 00:31:34,604
Like, wait, what happened?
Did he tap?
791
00:31:34,702 --> 00:31:35,672
Why is the bell ringing?
792
00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:37,070
Why are they--
you know, what’s--
793
00:31:37,172 --> 00:31:39,502
just chaos in the ring,
and then Bret being pissed.
794
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:44,640
- The reaction that Bret had.
795
00:31:44,746 --> 00:31:46,586
Like, his emotions
and just everything.
796
00:31:46,681 --> 00:31:48,951
and him walking around
he’s just, like, so furious.
797
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:50,780
- After he spits and
does everything else,
798
00:31:50,885 --> 00:31:55,795
he goes W-C-W on that screen.
799
00:31:57,192 --> 00:31:58,422
- For all of our animosity,
800
00:31:58,526 --> 00:32:01,066
for all of the rivalry
that he and I had,
801
00:32:01,162 --> 00:32:02,462
I was the bad guy.
802
00:32:02,564 --> 00:32:04,234
And then on that night,
803
00:32:04,332 --> 00:32:06,402
I was gonna frickin’ make it
even worse,
804
00:32:06,501 --> 00:32:08,371
and never be able to--
never be able to turn
805
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:10,170
that back again ever.
806
00:32:12,941 --> 00:32:14,741
- I walk in, and I said to
Shawn I just go,
807
00:32:14,843 --> 00:32:16,513
"Well, were you in on that?"
808
00:32:16,611 --> 00:32:18,941
"Shawn, you weren’t
in on that?"
809
00:32:19,047 --> 00:32:21,517
- My hands are clean
of this one, I swear to God.
810
00:32:21,616 --> 00:32:23,486
Vince told me,
"You deny it no matter what."
811
00:32:23,585 --> 00:32:25,725
So I told him no.
812
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:28,320
It wasn’t fun to do.
813
00:32:28,423 --> 00:32:30,563
- So Bret’s on one side
of the room,
814
00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:32,118
Vince is on the other side
of the room.
815
00:32:32,227 --> 00:32:33,667
And so Shawn was there.
816
00:32:33,761 --> 00:32:35,231
I was sitting next to Shawn.
817
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:37,900
Vince is over here.
Bret’s down here.
818
00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,729
And it’s going
back and forth,
819
00:32:39,834 --> 00:32:40,874
and I do remember Shawn
820
00:32:40,969 --> 00:32:42,629
trying to chime in
at one point.
821
00:32:42,737 --> 00:32:45,047
I remember grabbing his leg
and saying, "No,
822
00:32:45,139 --> 00:32:46,839
this isn’t the time.
Shut up."
823
00:32:46,941 --> 00:32:49,041
Vince is explaining
his position.
824
00:32:49,143 --> 00:32:52,183
- Vince told Bret,
"What’d you expect me to do?
825
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,750
"I did it for the company.
826
00:32:53,848 --> 00:32:56,078
"I did it for everybody
in this locker room.
827
00:32:56,184 --> 00:32:58,424
And I’d do it again."
828
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,020
- Vince and me walked
towards each other
829
00:33:00,121 --> 00:33:02,391
just like two wrestlers.
830
00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:04,320
I walked towards him.
He came right towards me.
831
00:33:04,425 --> 00:33:07,295
So it wasn’t just me going
and attacking a man.
832
00:33:07,395 --> 00:33:10,705
Like, he came.
It was a accepted fight.
833
00:33:10,798 --> 00:33:13,398
I hit Vince
with a right-hand punch.
834
00:33:13,501 --> 00:33:17,901
It was--like, it was
a knockout punch.
835
00:33:18,006 --> 00:33:19,246
- Looking back on it,
836
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,640
it produced
very real feelings.
837
00:33:21,743 --> 00:33:23,913
- Bret, The Hitman Hart,
he got cheated.
838
00:33:24,012 --> 00:33:26,082
- That’s disgusting.
839
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:29,610
- It’s an injustice.
It’s not fair.
840
00:33:29,717 --> 00:33:31,827
- Also wrapped Shawn Michaels
in a perception
841
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,320
that to this day
he can never shake.
842
00:33:34,422 --> 00:33:36,422
Shawn Michaels is
a wonderful human being,
843
00:33:36,524 --> 00:33:38,294
but if you’re somebody
who liked Bret,
844
00:33:38,393 --> 00:33:39,623
he’s a piece of [bleep].
845
00:33:39,727 --> 00:33:42,237
- This was not something
that was going away.
846
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:44,260
It really bothered me.
847
00:33:44,365 --> 00:33:45,735
I was obsessed with it.
848
00:33:45,833 --> 00:33:48,973
I mean, even when I was in WCW.
849
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:51,800
Nobody knows
better than I do
850
00:33:51,906 --> 00:33:55,676
what it’s like to get
screwed over by a referee.
851
00:33:55,777 --> 00:33:58,887
I remember actually
being in a WCW show.
852
00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:01,050
We were both in the same town.
853
00:34:01,149 --> 00:34:02,709
I went to my room
and stayed my room
854
00:34:02,817 --> 00:34:04,127
so I wouldn’t bump into him.
855
00:34:04,218 --> 00:34:05,978
Like, I feared, like,
if I bumped into Shawn,
856
00:34:06,087 --> 00:34:07,757
and he walked in the
same elevator with me--
857
00:34:07,855 --> 00:34:09,295
I’m not exaggerating
when I tell you
858
00:34:09,390 --> 00:34:10,620
I think there’s
a possibility
859
00:34:10,725 --> 00:34:13,225
that I could have killed him
with my bare hands.
860
00:34:13,328 --> 00:34:17,838
♪ ♪
861
00:34:17,932 --> 00:34:20,632
- Both guys kind of went in
a gloom and doom direction
862
00:34:20,735 --> 00:34:23,275
in their personal lives
and in their careers.
863
00:34:23,371 --> 00:34:26,041
For Shawn,
an unfortunate accident
864
00:34:26,140 --> 00:34:27,240
in a Royal Rumble Match--
865
00:34:29,243 --> 00:34:31,083
He literally broke his back
866
00:34:31,179 --> 00:34:34,509
and he had to step away
from the business for a while.
867
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:36,680
Bret, same thing.
868
00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:39,724
Bret had a career-ending
injury in the ring.
869
00:34:39,821 --> 00:34:41,691
- Standing side kick.
870
00:34:43,024 --> 00:34:44,394
- Shawn Michaels
and Bret Hart were
871
00:34:44,492 --> 00:34:46,562
the pinnacle of the industry.
872
00:34:46,661 --> 00:34:50,091
Both were gone
a few years after Montreal.
873
00:34:51,733 --> 00:34:53,973
- I was at
such a crappy place then.
874
00:34:55,637 --> 00:34:57,847
Finding something
more important than this stuff
875
00:34:57,939 --> 00:34:59,569
was obviously huge.
876
00:34:59,674 --> 00:35:00,814
Come here, girl.
[kisses]
877
00:35:01,376 --> 00:35:02,976
- Yeah!
878
00:35:03,077 --> 00:35:06,187
- After he got married and
had a family and matured,
879
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,250
he quit being Shawn Michaels
outside of the ring.
880
00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:11,420
- And he took the
steps to turn his life around
881
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,989
which is a long, long way
from the way it was in the 90s.
882
00:35:16,424 --> 00:35:17,924
- Shawn was able to come back.
883
00:35:18,026 --> 00:35:19,366
Shawn was able to become
884
00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:23,690
a completely new human being
behind the scenes.
885
00:35:23,798 --> 00:35:27,708
- I could tell that Shawn had
a sort of a skip in his walk.
886
00:35:27,802 --> 00:35:30,302
I think anybody that remembers
and knows me from those days
887
00:35:30,405 --> 00:35:33,745
would say, "Yeah you were
pretty mad for a long time."
888
00:35:33,841 --> 00:35:40,881
I’ve always expected a proper
and more fitting--
889
00:35:43,718 --> 00:35:47,158
I don’t know if apology is
the right word, but just to--
890
00:35:47,255 --> 00:35:49,695
someone to own up
for what happened
891
00:35:49,791 --> 00:35:52,121
and accept responsibility
892
00:35:52,226 --> 00:35:55,536
for the actions
that were taken.
893
00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:56,930
I made the comparison
a lot of times
894
00:35:57,031 --> 00:35:59,101
it was like carrying
a big bag of rocks around.
895
00:36:00,435 --> 00:36:02,035
- Since
the Montreal Screw Job,
896
00:36:02,136 --> 00:36:03,836
I never ran into Bret.
897
00:36:03,938 --> 00:36:07,368
We never spoke
for easily more than a decade.
898
00:36:07,475 --> 00:36:09,515
I know that there are times
that I mentioned
899
00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:12,580
that I would love to be able
to put that behind us.
900
00:36:13,214 --> 00:36:15,554
Things that led to it were TJ.
901
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:18,220
- TJ told Shawn, "Yeah
well, I’m, like, you know,
902
00:36:18,319 --> 00:36:19,419
close to the Hart family."
903
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,320
And TJ said to--
to Shawn he’s, like,
904
00:36:21,422 --> 00:36:22,422
"Yeah, I think
Bret would be, like,
905
00:36:22,523 --> 00:36:24,493
really open
to talking to you."
906
00:36:24,592 --> 00:36:26,462
- Shawn started to get
a little bit emotional
907
00:36:26,561 --> 00:36:29,291
and he said some days
he just would like to fly up
908
00:36:29,397 --> 00:36:30,907
to Calgary and
knock on Bret’s door,
909
00:36:30,998 --> 00:36:32,628
and if Bret punches him out,
910
00:36:32,734 --> 00:36:34,904
that’s okay as long as
they can talk after.
911
00:36:35,002 --> 00:36:38,772
- And TJ told me that,
and that meant a lot to me.
912
00:36:38,873 --> 00:36:41,713
I was like, "Okay, you know,
at least he feels bad."
913
00:36:42,677 --> 00:36:43,877
- The bombshell
that Bret hit me with
914
00:36:43,978 --> 00:36:46,208
at the very end
of our conversation was,
915
00:36:46,314 --> 00:36:47,214
"Give Shawn my number
916
00:36:47,315 --> 00:36:48,285
"and I’ll see if he calls me.
917
00:36:48,382 --> 00:36:51,222
And then
I’ll see how sincere he is."
918
00:36:51,319 --> 00:36:52,479
I remember thinking, "Wow."
919
00:37:00,294 --> 00:37:01,734
- Every couple of weeks,
like, Bret would be like,
920
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:03,029
"He hasn’t called."
921
00:37:03,131 --> 00:37:04,931
There was a very
big part of me that knew
922
00:37:05,032 --> 00:37:07,232
with all the history
these two had,
923
00:37:07,335 --> 00:37:08,805
they have to see each other
face-to-face.
924
00:37:08,903 --> 00:37:10,673
They can’t--a phone call
is not gonna do
925
00:37:10,772 --> 00:37:12,702
a damn thing with these two.
926
00:37:12,807 --> 00:37:14,947
- I remember Shawn said he
was too scared to call me
927
00:37:15,042 --> 00:37:17,482
and so he never called me
and it never got resolved.
928
00:37:17,578 --> 00:37:19,678
I remember saying "I just
wanna see him in person
929
00:37:19,781 --> 00:37:21,511
and we’ll bury the hatchet."
930
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,049
It all comes back.
931
00:37:28,156 --> 00:37:29,856
- Since the Montreal
Screw Job,
932
00:37:29,957 --> 00:37:32,697
I don’t recall Bret Hart
and myself
933
00:37:32,794 --> 00:37:36,434
ever seeing
or talking to each other
934
00:37:36,531 --> 00:37:41,601
again until I think that night.
935
00:37:41,702 --> 00:37:44,542
- When I saw Shawn, he was
in the catering I believe.
936
00:37:47,608 --> 00:37:49,208
- I could tell it was real,
937
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:51,180
is just started to pour out
of us straightaway,
938
00:37:51,279 --> 00:37:52,479
like, you know,
I’ve been wanting
939
00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:54,380
to talk to you for so long.
940
00:37:54,482 --> 00:37:56,852
And I remember I just said,
"Just stop.
941
00:37:56,951 --> 00:37:58,621
Let’s do it in the ring."
942
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,519
♪ ♪
943
00:38:00,621 --> 00:38:06,191
- It’s been 12 long years
since anyone’s seen Bret Hart.
944
00:38:06,294 --> 00:38:08,164
- I got 12 years of things
that I’ve wanted
945
00:38:08,262 --> 00:38:09,792
to get off my chest,
946
00:38:09,897 --> 00:38:11,737
and the very first thing
I wanna do
947
00:38:11,833 --> 00:38:14,373
is I wanna call back there and
ask Shawn Michaels
948
00:38:14,468 --> 00:38:16,228
to come out here.
[cheers and applause]
949
00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:20,347
- Whoa. Well, Hitman
not wasting any time.
950
00:38:20,441 --> 00:38:22,111
- There’s something
I’ve been waiting
951
00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:24,580
12 years to say to you.
952
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,379
In the last 12 years,
a lot of things
953
00:38:27,481 --> 00:38:29,151
in my life have changed.
954
00:38:30,484 --> 00:38:32,524
You’re not the only one
that’s been
955
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:35,990
carrying this around
for 12 years.
956
00:38:36,090 --> 00:38:39,560
You’re not the only one that
wants to bury the hatchet.
957
00:38:41,662 --> 00:38:44,062
- I was happy to see Shawn
and Bret come back together
958
00:38:44,165 --> 00:38:46,735
and just share a ring again.
959
00:38:46,834 --> 00:38:49,134
- So I offer my hand
to you in friendship.
960
00:38:49,237 --> 00:38:50,747
If you wanna bury the hatchet,
961
00:38:50,838 --> 00:38:52,768
let’s bury it right now.
962
00:38:52,874 --> 00:38:55,914
[audience shouting]
963
00:38:58,379 --> 00:39:02,349
[cheers and applause]
964
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:04,420
- That was so surreal.
965
00:39:04,518 --> 00:39:06,518
I really couldn’t believe
what I was watching.
966
00:39:06,621 --> 00:39:08,751
That’s, like, the one thing
you didn’t think could happen
967
00:39:12,627 --> 00:39:16,167
[cheers and applause]
968
00:39:16,264 --> 00:39:18,464
- When Shawn hugged me,
he told me--
969
00:39:18,566 --> 00:39:20,536
he goes, "I’m so sorry,
970
00:39:20,635 --> 00:39:22,735
so sorry for everything
that happened."
971
00:39:24,238 --> 00:39:27,708
- What we carried, you know,
as a result of everything,
972
00:39:27,808 --> 00:39:32,038
to have that lifted off
was honestly the best thing.
973
00:39:32,146 --> 00:39:34,986
- It just shows the growth of
both of ’em as men
974
00:39:35,082 --> 00:39:36,612
and human beings.
975
00:39:36,717 --> 00:39:39,687
To be able to witness that,
that was really cool.
976
00:39:41,355 --> 00:39:44,195
- When two egos hit
and they don’t mix well,
977
00:39:44,292 --> 00:39:46,092
a lot of crazy
stuff can happen.
978
00:39:46,193 --> 00:39:48,933
- Bret Hart is going at it
with Shawn Michaels!
979
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:50,330
- You know,
you don’t have to be
980
00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:52,761
best friends to put
on these matches,
981
00:39:52,867 --> 00:39:56,437
to make big money,
to put butts in seats.
982
00:39:56,537 --> 00:39:58,747
- It drew me in so much,
you know?
983
00:39:58,839 --> 00:40:02,439
And all the while, like,
I really didn’t have an idea
984
00:40:02,543 --> 00:40:04,843
like, the gravity
of this situation
985
00:40:04,946 --> 00:40:06,786
and even, like, how it built.
986
00:40:06,881 --> 00:40:10,481
When those heads butt it sucks
for the people involved,
987
00:40:10,584 --> 00:40:14,194
but for everybody watching,
like, we get the best
988
00:40:14,288 --> 00:40:16,088
possible product
’cause everyone is bringing
989
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:17,560
their best to the table.
990
00:40:17,658 --> 00:40:19,518
- Both are incredible.
991
00:40:19,627 --> 00:40:21,037
Two of the greatest
performers of all time.
992
00:40:21,128 --> 00:40:24,028
This was absolutely magic
when these guys got together.
993
00:40:24,932 --> 00:40:27,132
[sentimental music]
994
00:40:27,234 --> 00:40:30,004
- [laughs]
Hello, there.
995
00:40:30,104 --> 00:40:31,974
- No, I knew you’d come around
there looking to tie up the--
996
00:40:32,073 --> 00:40:34,273
- [laughs] No, heavens, no.
How are you doing?
997
00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:35,475
- Good. How are you?
- Oh, my goodness
998
00:40:35,576 --> 00:40:37,146
I’m doing pretty good.
- Good to see you.
999
00:40:37,244 --> 00:40:38,344
- Busy.
- Busy?
1000
00:40:38,446 --> 00:40:39,516
- The rivalry stood
the test of time
1001
00:40:39,613 --> 00:40:41,113
because it was real.
1002
00:40:41,215 --> 00:40:43,285
It was real, and it was
with two guys
1003
00:40:43,384 --> 00:40:46,884
that were so different
in a lot of ways
1004
00:40:46,988 --> 00:40:49,228
but so alike competitor-wise.
1005
00:40:49,323 --> 00:40:51,123
I don’t have anything to say.
1006
00:40:52,093 --> 00:40:53,563
I didn’t have the--
again, the ability
1007
00:40:53,661 --> 00:40:57,331
or the maturity to see that
and understand that.
1008
00:40:57,431 --> 00:41:00,401
- I think that when you
look at long-term rivalry,
1009
00:41:00,501 --> 00:41:02,131
Shawn Michaels
versus Bret Hart
1010
00:41:02,236 --> 00:41:03,976
will forever live in infamy.
1011
00:41:04,071 --> 00:41:07,101
- These two men truly
believe in their hearts
1012
00:41:07,208 --> 00:41:09,448
that they are the better man.
1013
00:41:09,543 --> 00:41:11,343
- That’s the greatest thing
that you can get
1014
00:41:11,445 --> 00:41:14,655
from a rivalry,
is that people remember it
1015
00:41:14,749 --> 00:41:17,619
ten, 20, 30 years
down the road.
1016
00:41:17,718 --> 00:41:20,018
- I think about, you know,
the WrestleMania match.
1017
00:41:20,121 --> 00:41:23,451
To me, it is, you know,
what a huge risk that was
1018
00:41:23,557 --> 00:41:25,797
to, you know, have the balls
to try to do an hour.
1019
00:41:25,893 --> 00:41:27,263
- Oh, yeah.
You know, one fall.
1020
00:41:27,361 --> 00:41:29,661
- Yeah, you know what I mean?
And I’m more proud of that
1021
00:41:29,764 --> 00:41:31,804
than anything else.
- Really a masterpiece.
1022
00:41:31,899 --> 00:41:33,159
- Yeah.
- One of my favorite.
1023
00:41:33,267 --> 00:41:34,637
One of my best memories.
1024
00:41:34,735 --> 00:41:37,475
- The chemistry between Bret
and Shawn
1025
00:41:37,571 --> 00:41:39,441
was undeniable,
and it created
1026
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:42,310
an unbelievably great rivalry.
1027
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:44,610
[cheering]
- And here we go!
1028
00:41:44,712 --> 00:41:47,082
He got--
[audience cheering]
1029
00:41:47,181 --> 00:41:49,511
- It’s a shame that things
got off track with Shawn
1030
00:41:49,617 --> 00:41:52,387
and we never got to really
finish telling the stories
1031
00:41:52,486 --> 00:41:54,296
that we could have told.
1032
00:41:54,388 --> 00:41:56,418
Me and Shawn could have
wrestled one time every year
1033
00:41:56,524 --> 00:41:57,864
for the next ten years,
1034
00:41:57,958 --> 00:42:00,588
and it’s been the biggest
matches in history.
1035
00:42:00,694 --> 00:42:02,864
It’s a shame that
that opportunity
1036
00:42:02,963 --> 00:42:05,433
was squandered and lost
probably by both of us.
1037
00:42:05,533 --> 00:42:07,133
♪ ♪
1038
00:42:07,234 --> 00:42:08,704
- Absolutely, of course.
1039
00:42:08,803 --> 00:42:09,973
I would love to go back
1040
00:42:10,071 --> 00:42:12,701
and not make any of
the mistakes that I made.
1041
00:42:12,807 --> 00:42:15,077
But then I have
to see where I’m at now
1042
00:42:15,176 --> 00:42:19,646
and I’m overjoyed with having
come out on the other side.
1043
00:42:19,747 --> 00:42:21,757
- And it’s good to
be in a place today
1044
00:42:21,849 --> 00:42:23,249
where you can talk
about your kids
1045
00:42:23,350 --> 00:42:26,750
and, you know, pretty
soon it’ll be grandkids, and--
1046
00:42:26,854 --> 00:42:28,394
- We’re not best friends,
really, but you know,
1047
00:42:28,489 --> 00:42:31,459
he’s always nice to--about
reaching out on a birthday
1048
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:33,389
or a wedding anniversary.
1049
00:42:33,494 --> 00:42:36,694
- The stuff that you worried
about 20 years ago is--
1050
00:42:36,797 --> 00:42:37,867
sort of pales--
- Looks small now.
1051
00:42:37,965 --> 00:42:39,905
[laughs] Yeah, exactly, yeah.
1052
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,330
- You know--
- Especially when you say
1053
00:42:41,435 --> 00:42:42,875
something like grandkids.
1054
00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:44,200
It’ like,
"Oh, my goodness."
1055
00:42:44,305 --> 00:42:45,845
[laughs]
- Yeah, well it’s coming.
1056
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,040
Brace yourself.
- Yeah. [laughs]
1057
00:42:47,141 --> 00:42:48,571
- I know, I know, I know.
1058
00:42:48,676 --> 00:42:51,346
- We just had a great
conversation about being dads
1059
00:42:51,445 --> 00:42:54,315
and he was really
a joy to be around.
1060
00:42:54,415 --> 00:42:55,585
- Well, it was wonderful
to see you, man.
1061
00:42:55,683 --> 00:42:56,753
- Good seeing you.
- Thank you so much.
1062
00:42:56,851 --> 00:42:57,781
I appreciate you.
- Take care of yourself
1063
00:42:57,885 --> 00:42:59,585
and stay in touch.
- I will.
1064
00:42:59,687 --> 00:43:01,297
- I wish sometimes that
we could just go back
1065
00:43:01,388 --> 00:43:04,018
and redo all that
’cause it was--
1066
00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:06,265
it was nothing but magic
left to do.
1067
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,830
♪ ♪
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