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We're here to look at two of the deadliest dictators

To ever walk the face of the planet--

Saddam hussein and his republican guard...

[shouts in native language]

Versus pol pot and the khmer rouge.

[electricity buzzing] [grunting]

Let's just start off with saddam.

He was known as the butcher of baghdad.

This guy--he tortured. He maimed.

He used chemical weapons.

Whatever it took to quell rebellions,

That's what saddam hussein would do.

When you look at pol pot,

This guy used a small communist guerrilla force

Called the khmer rouge.

And they go on and take out the government in cambodia,

Killing millions of people.

You've got an established army versus a guerrilla group.

But very similar payloads, as far as weapons are concerned.

I think it's gonna be a close fight.

With regards to the diagnostic and statistical manual

Of mental disorders, these guys are psychopaths,

Which means there is no remorse.

That's pretty explosive.

These are sadistic bastards.

This kind of brutality-- off the scale.

Saddam hussein,

Iraqi tyrant whose republican guard

Slaughtered not only his enemies, but his own people,

Versus pol pot,

The cambodian dictator

Whose khmer rouge guerrillas committed genocide

On a quarter of the country's population.

It's dictator versus dictator,

As the late 20th century's most genocidal madmen

Turn their tools of oppression on each other.

To find out, the history of war

And modern science collide,

As former navy seal richard "mack" machowicz

Dives deep into the tactics

Of the warriors behind the weapons.

To unlock new data on arsenals of the past.

And e.R. Physician armand dorian dissects the trauma...

And reveals the physical and psychological traits

That shaped these legends of war.

This groundbreaking data

Will be paired with historical research

And entered into an all-new digital combat engine.

Two legendary combatants will be resurrected.

History will be rewritten.

But only one will be crowned...

Welcome to the fight club,

Where our experts will uncover new historical insights

To determine who is deadliest--

Saddam hussein and his iraqi republican guard,

Who crushed any political opposition from 1979 to 2003,

Or p pot and his khmer rouge guerrillas,

Who toppled the cambodian government in 1975.

I want to set the tone right off the bat.

We are not celebrating these guys.

No.

But by actually seeing what these guys have done

And recognizing the way they did it,

It may prevent future massacres, future genocides.

To me, it's the science of violence.

You have to understand the chaos of violence

In order to fight back against these guys.

You're talking about evil.

If we don't see it and call it for what it is,

Then we'll never get off our butts

And do anything about evil when we do see it.

Completely agreed, mack. We have to investigate this.

Let me give you the tale of the tape, okay,

About these two warriors and their military.

Saddam hussein, 6'2", 215 pounds--big guy.

Pol pot, 5'9", 194 pounds.

The khmer rouge average age--16.

Republican guard average age--25.

That age difference is very, very important.

A 16-year-old with this type of invincibility--

It's unfathomable.

When you're talking about motivation, doc,

Saddam hussein had this vision in his head.

He was going to re-create the babylonian empire

With him at the head.

Versus pol pot--

And he has a beautiful vision once he gets in power.

"I want to eradicate the past

And create a past of my own liking."

This is his plan-- "I'm gonna kill off anyone

"who knows anything about the past.

"hey, you've read a book? You're dead.

"you're an intellectual? You're dead.

You wear glasses? You're dead."

That's this guy in a nutshell.

Okay, so let's move on to the weapons now.

And for the first time on deadliest warrior,

We're gonna use multiple weapons on a single test

To see how it plays out in an urban-combat environment.

We're gonna initiate this assault with grenades,

Move on to light machine guns,

And then take control of a building with handguns.

I think what we have here is an opportunity

To truly confront evil by exploring--

What did they do? What kind of tools did they use?

And how did they convince other human beings

To behave this way?

This dictator death match will be determined

By the all-new digital combat engine

Created by robert daly-- a former green beret

And designer of more than 30 military-based video games,

Including the deadliest warrior game.

The engine will process more than 100 "x" factors--

Critical intangibles assigned values

Based on extensive historical research

On each warrior's lives, tactics,

And psychological profiles.

The most important "x" factor for me

Is the psyological health of these two leaders.

No, absolutely. You have to evaluate these troops,

Because they are all antisocial

Because they're being driven so hard.

And how they're going to be affected long term

Is something that I think we also need to take

Into consideration.

Providing firsthand knowledge

Of the butcher of baghdad's weapons and tactics

Is sabah khodada, a former general in the iraqi army.

After refusing an order

To shell an innocent iraqi village in 1996,

Sabah came under investigation by saddam's ba'ath party,

Who had him arrested for insubordination.

[speaking native language]

Sabah eventually escaped all the way to the u.S.,

Where he helped american authorities

Discover saddam in 2003.

Wielding the weapons

That saddam hussein and his republican guard

Took into battle is calvin bondley.

Having faced combat with insurgents in iraq,

He brings firsthand experience

Into what makes these warriors so lethal.

The republican guard is the military

Who took over kuwait in five hours.

They believe in what ey're doing.

Revealing exclusive historical insight into saddam's regime

Is rick francona,

Former air force officer and cia agent

Who served as general norman schwarzkopf's

Advisory expert in the first gulf war.

At age 20, saddam hussein

Tries to assassinate the then-president of iraq

By machine-gunning a car as the motorcade goes by.

It fails. He's wounded in the leg.

And he seeks refuge in egypt.

The assassination attempt made saddam a legend

In the ranks of the ba'ath party.

Taking over the country in 1979,

He launched an eight-year war

Against neighboring iran.

During the conflict,

He ordered a chemical-weapons attack on his own people--

Ethnic kurds he considered rebels for aligning with iran.

It had never been used on a battlefield before,

Making the iraqis the only people in the world

To have ever used nerve gas on a battlefield.

The perfect match for saddam hussein's extreme tactics

In putting down rebellions

Is pol pot,

Whose khmer rouge guerillas

Were notorious for overthrowing the cambodian military.

Handling the weapons for the khmer rouge

Is jonathan khan.

As a former u.S. Army marksman,

His in-depth weapons expertise

Is coupled with a deep knowledge of the guerilla regime

That killed his grandparents.

The khmer rouge is a band of guerilla fighters.

Guerilla tactics will always beat a traditional army.

Sharing his personal experiences

At the hands of pol pot and the khmer rouge is kilong ung,

A cambodian genocide survivor

Who watched the khmer rouge kill or starve

50 members of his extended family.

Khmer rouge began with a handful of students--

Got together, conspired against the government.

And then eventually they form a formidable force.

This formidable force of guerilla fighters,

Led by pol pot,

Defeated cambodian government troops

And took over the country in 1975

And then tried to bring their vision

Of the perfect society into reality.

Pol pot was trying to create a utopia

Where everybody was equal.

To do that, he has to bring people

Back to the peasants' level of the guerilla fighters

That started the revolution with them.

They would get rid of the upper class, the educated.

There were mass graves all over the country.

It was enough to call them the killing fields.

We got a guerilla group

Going up against an established military, okay?

So to make your data set complete,

We've got to run some weapons tests.

From saddam hussein's invasions of iran and kuwait

To pol pot's siege

On the cambodian capital of phnom penh,

Both warriors seized cities

With urban-warfare tactics that combined grenades,

Light machine guns, and side arms.

The first test will determine

How this entire arsenal of weapons performs

In a three-phase attack on an enemy-occupied building.

The republican guard will initiate their assault

With the iraqi military's rgd-5 grenade.

It explodes with four ounces of tnt

And 350 pieces of shrapnel.

It's soviet-designed,

Anti-personnel fragmentation grenade.

Once you pull the pin out,

It takes about three to four seconds to explode.

The republican guard will then move in with the rpk--

A light machine gun with a 40-round magazine.

This is a primary weapon for their infantry units.

It can be fired standing, moving, crouched,

Or--or even in the prone position.

The republican guard will finish

With the browning hi-power pistol--

The premier iraqi army sidearm.

[speaking native language]

He actually carried a browning hi-power

With an inscription stamped into the slide.

It said, "a gift from the president, saddam hussein."

Wow. Okay, well, let's grab these weapons

And head out to the range.

The first of three phases will assess the damage potential

Of the grenades against four targets.

We've got one guard on the inside of the guard post,

Three on the outside.

So I'll be able to measure the fragmentation

On those foam targets, plus the percussion effects,

With a 38-g shock patch

And a 100-g shock patch on the chest.

If the blast trips the 38-g patch,

The target is disoriented.

If it triggers the 100-g patch, it's dead.

The second phase will measure the damage and accuracy

Of the light machine guns,

As the experts advance to take out five targets

In the front of the building.

For the final phase,

The experts will move inside the building

To shoot the last two targets with their pistols.

On 3, 2, 1!

Throw the grenade!

Ooh-hoo!

[gunfire]

First fire-- don't blow all your rounds.

Okay, he's in position.

Oh, that was a good hit.

That's dead-center-- chest.

[gunfire]

Nice. Good job. Good job.

He's making good time. There you go.

Sounds like a double tap.

Done!

Okay, that's two minutes and five seconds.

Let's go check out the damage.

The two targets within five feet of the detonation point

Were killed instantly.

The team reviews the target ten feet away.

From primary blast injury, this 100-g, that's lethal.

This guy's dead.

The grenade damage is far less severe

On the other side of the guard shack.

This is the target that was at 15 feet.

Neither of these shock patches are tripped,

And we're now starting to get outside the range

For primary blast injury of that weapon.

But look where he delivered the round.

[laughs]

Dead mid-face-- this guy is dead.

Guys, for me, this is all about the initiative "x" factor.

When you're able to take the initiative,

That's a big advantage--if you can catch guys by surprise.

What was it like throwing the rgd-5?

Man, I'm telling you, four ounce of tnt--

You just feel the power of it.

I mean, look at him. He's still in shock.

Not anymore. You shot him in the face.

Okay, this is why we throw flash bangs in a room

Before we go in.

You catch people by surprise.

You get their heads down. You get them panicked.

Okay, so let's check out phase two of this assault--

More of the rpk damage.

[bees buzzing]

Unfortunately, our decomposing bodies here

Have been taken over with bees.

But what can we see from here?

They all have more than one round up front.

This guy's got riddled through his neck, through his chest.

The one behind him--I see at least three through his chest

And two through his neck.

So all of these are instant kills.

What was it like firing the rpk, calvin?

It's lighter, so I could run with it fast.

And it took me actually four to five seconds to reload.

It's pretty fast.

[speaking native language]

He said there is nothing like the rpk

To lay down the fire

And then finish off who you didn't with the pistol.

Now, when you're talking about the pistol,

You're talking about phase three.

You have to muster a certain level of intensity

When going up and taking a pistol

And bringing it into a guy's face.

That's up close and personal.

That's what we call killer instinct,

And that is one of the factors

That we'll plug into the sim as well.

Exactly. I think that really speaks

To the "x" factor of training,

And that's a factor that we're gonna have to look at

In this particular matchup.

Well, you know, saddam was the president

Of an oil-rich country.

This was a real army.

This wasn't a guerrilla movement.

So he had training areas,

And he was able to import quality weapons.

Obviously, it's very impressive.

However, hold your judgment,

Because the version that jonathan's using--

It will be impressive, too.

The light machine gun by the khmer rouge

Is the weapon of choice, and I'll show you.

Coming up, pol pot and the khmer rouge

Launch their counterattack.

And later, the experts unleash their machine guns

In a motorcade ambush.

Saddam hussein...

Pol pot...

In a battle of the 20th century's

Most brutal dictators.

Who is deadliest?

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Saddam hussein, the butcher of baghdad

Who killed nearly two million people during his 24-year rule,

Is battling pol pot,

Whose widespread political executions

And policies of starvation

Filled more than 20,000 mass graves.

Under the leadership of pol pot,

The khmer rouge created 150 prisons

To torture and execute people.

They would bury people alive.

They would put plastic bag over a person's head

And let the person die.

They killed two million people at the end.

That is over a quarter of the population.

Saddam hussein's arsenal of a grenade,

Light machine gun, and pistol

Has been tested in a three-phase assault,

Simulating the urban-warfare tactics

Used by the two warriors.

Now pol pot's khmer rouge will launch its attack

With weapons primarily supplied by communist china,

Starting with the chinese stick grenade--

A descendant of a grenade

The germans used in world war ii.

This grenade, gentlemen,

Has six ounces of explosive filler.

That's 50% more than a saddam grenade.

And it has a sleeve on the end.

Pol pot would actually put knives, nails,

Barbed wire into this sleeve,

Giving it more of a killing effect.

The khmer rouge will continue the assault

With their standard issue rpd light machine gun--

A soviet-built weapon

That delivers death in 100-round bursts.

You can fire 650 rounds per minute

From a drum that contains 100 rounds.

It's slightly heavier than saddam's machine gun,

But you will have heavier casualties.

The khmer rouge will conclude the attack,

Clearing the building

With its 9-millimeter tokarev tt-33 pistol--

An eight-round semiautomatic weapon

That executed cambodians by the thousands.

To test the accuracy and damage potential of pol pot's arsenal

In a three-phase assault,

Jonathan will try to take out all 11 targets

Under calvin's time of two minutes, five seconds.

On 3, 2, 1!

Throw the grenade!

All: Whoa!

That was a larger explosion.

Now, that's a sound I remember.

[gunfire]

There we go.

[laughs]

Love it, love it, love it.

Nice transition.

[laughing] I love it.

That's good. There's a hit.

All: Whoa. You see that?

There you go. Oh, oh, oh.

Look at him. He's just booking it, man.

Nice! Two minutes, two seconds!

That's three seconds separating these guys.

The 100-g shock patch is tripped.

That's lethal.

It's getting inside that hut,

Amplifying the pressure wave and increasing its duration.

The shrapnel here is really significant.

Every area you see a frayed piece,

That's something going into the hut.

The target five feet from the detonation point

Is also an instant kill.

The team examines the target ten feet out.

As far as primary blast injury is concerned,

100-g shock patch is tripped.

So, from ten feet out, it's lethal.

This is the target that's 15 feet away from the explosion.

No trip on the 100-g shock patch.

So, as far as primary blast injury's concerned,

Nothing here.

But our 38-g shock patch is tripped.

So this guy did get shaken up, but not lethal.

It's not an instant kill,

But you can get pulmonary contusion--

Blood filling into your lungs just from the bruise

And obviouslsly ruptured eardru, whirling sensation, vertigo.

As soon as his head is rocked,

He is a sitting duck, doc,

And what's important is a seizing that initiative,

And that's the "x" factor we're looking at.

And if you're looking at just the tiniest bit more

Of that disorientation in this moment,

That's a bigger advantage.

That's gonna have to figure into the sim.

The saddam hussein grenade rolls like a baseball.

You don't know where it's going to end up,

Whereas with the stick grenade,

Aim it, throw it, it stays there.

Look at the results.

But how did the rpd perform in the second phase?

Jonathan, great work--

Multiple rounds in every, single target.

Some of these targets have a huge cavity.

You basically carved out an entire section of the body.

That means your accuracy's on target,

And you're able to keep chunking away at the same tissue.

Instant kill all around.

And you know what?

These foam targets aren't biofidelic, okay?

But we've never seen a machine gun cut them in half.

And the fact that you ran it three seconds faster--

Nice job.

This weapon is superior

Compared to the saddam hussein weapon--

100 rounds compared to 40.

While he's reloading, I'm killing.

What about the tokarev?

Accurate, eight rounds,

Very simple weapon to use, very powerful.

[speaking native language]

They fought a war with the iranians.

The iranians had better weapons.

The iraqis had better training.

That's what he believes was their edge.

The team has more tests for the light machine guns,

But the grenades and sidearms are ready for judgment.

First up--the grenades.

Saddam's rgd-5 or pol pot's chinese stick grenade--

Which packs enough punch to give its warrior the edge?

I'm gonna go with the chinese stick grenade.

I just think there's a little bit more blast,

A little more concussive force.

So that if I do open up after that attack,

I have a guy who's a little disoriented,

Put in a bad position.

I agree with you, mack.

The only thing I don't like about the chinese stick grenade

Is that it has that handle.

Despite the fact that it's got two more ounces

Of high explosive in it,

I think you'd be able to carry less of them.

And so for that, I like the rgd-5.

The one thing that I realize the stick provides

Is lack of roll.

When that thing falls,

There's going to be a minimal amount of bounce,

Which we do see with the round ball.

I agree with doc, just for the functionality--

It's not going to be rolling all over the place--

And the explosive power.

Hey, you can even add a sleeve with nasty nails,

And I've seen that type of trauma.

It's horrendous.

So if I got to compare the two,

My edge would go to the stick grenade.

Edge--pol pot and the khmer ro+e.

Saddam's browning hi-power or pol pot's tokarev--

Whose pistol outgunned the other?

For me, this is all about magazine capacity.

If I have more rounds with the browning hi-power

Than I do with the tokarev,

I'm gonna go with the browning hi-power, period.

If I had to give one advantage to the tokarev

Is I like its low profile.

I think that would be something

You could easily slip in your belt.

The reason it's low profile is it carries less rounds.

Fair enough.

You know, when in doubt, overload.

Edge--saddam hussein and the republican guard.

Coming up,

The light machine gun duel continues its carnage.

And later, saddam hussein's republican guard

And pol pot's khmer rouge

Finally go head-to-head

To find out which dictatorship is deadliest.

Two of history's most brutal dictators

Ruled at the end of the 20th century,

But over 4,000 miles apart.

If they actually squared off in battle, who would win--

Pol pot, a former schoolteacher turned cambodian rebel

Who led the deadliest revolution in asian history,

Or saddam hussein,

Who struck terror in the iraqi people

By brutally killing an average of 200 every day

During his quarter-century rule?

Saddam used torture against his own people.

Think of the most brutal torture methods there are.

Saddam hussein employed all of them.

Initially, they used electricity.

They also would pull out the fingernails--

The chemical bath.

That's how it started out, and it got worse and worse.

Our first test examined both warriors' light machine guns,

Attacking an enemy-occupied building.

But the republican guard and khmer rouge

Also used these weapons

To exterminate political opponents.

Okay, guys, we know that pol pot and saddam

Used these light machine guns

To coordinate ambushes on threats to their regime.

The scenario--a moving car is stopped by an obstacle.

Each expert will fire 80 rounds

To see how quickly and accurately

They can first take out the driver

And then advance to exterminate the target in the backseat.

Jonathan, you'll be up first, with pol pot's rpd.

Let's get the car moving!

3, 2, 1!

Ambush!

Nice.

Make sure he's down.

That's effective fire right there.

There you go.

Nice, nice. Now it's time to move.

Okay, he's moving. Keep moving.

Smooth bursts, smooth bursts.

There you go. Smooth is fast. There you go.

Smooth is fast.

Oh-ho-ho! That's a hit.

That's a hit.

There you go.

Nice.

Oh-ho-ho, yeah!

Time! 46 seconds, jonathan.

It took that long? [chuckles]

I mean, you've completely riddled the body.

It's the classic, best way to kill somebody

Is shooting them from the side.

And with just one of these rounds,

You would be able to do that.

All right, what we're seeing here--

I mean, this body looks like it's ice cream,

And the bullets were the scooper,

And it just scooped out his chest and his belly

And has thrown it all around.

It just explodes. This is intimidating.

If you walk alongside this and see your leader

Has his chest on the floor, caved out,

That's an intimidation factor

That we got to factor into the sim.

Even though the khmer rouge's machine gun

Is heavier than saddam's,

When you're firing bursts, you don't feel the weight.

This is definitely a weapon you don't want to mess with.

When the war in cambodia happened, I was just a boy.

There was a time I heard the exact same sound.

And when I got there,

I saw bloods and guts just like this.

I had a couple of khmer rouge soldiers

That put similar guns to my head.

They were about 12 or 13 years old.

When you have somebody who's just hitting puberty

And then you give 'em a weapon like this,

They're gonna feel invincible.

And then you add the post-traumatic stress

Of doing what they did at that age.

All of these things have to factor in

For psychological health in the sim.

Can calvin match the accuracy of pol pot's rpd

With saddam's rpk in less than 46 seconds?

Let's get the car moving.

On 3, 2, 1!

Take 'em out!

There you go. Nice.

Oh, chewing that car up.

[laughs]

Wow.

Moving in now.

Change of magazine? I didn't see it.

Yeah, that was silly.

[shouting in native language]

[laughing] yeah!

Time!

59 seconds!

Nice work.

I think that magazine change cost you a little bit.

Wow, tore the head off.

We know that this is not human tissue,

But if you get that many rounds right into the neck,

That is gonna decapitate somebody.

Okay, guys, let's take a look at the primary target.

Ay-yi-yi.

Okay, first and foremost, there's a monstrous entry wound.

This thing is just tearing its way through the body.

To be able to actually see this type of carnage

That both of these weapons caused

Have to be factored in as "x" factors

With regards to intimidation.

Calvin, I saw you do a magazine change on the go.

What was going on there?

I already know I-- I damage them,

And I'm just on my way to make it finish.

I mean, I've carried this weapon.

I've used this weapon.

It is a little bit heavy compared to an assault rifle,

But this is laying down a tremendous volume of fire.

[speaking native language]

So they--they train on these kinds of operations,

And a lot of the cars that they would be going against

Are armored.

So they would be trying to go for what they believe to be

The weakest part, and that would be the window.

So again, training.

The rpk and rpd

Both proved their accuracy and devastating damage.

So which finer details of each machine gun's functionality

Will give its warrior the edge?

Listen, if you don't get this rpk magazine in perfectly,

You're gonna be dancing around a little bit.

So if you come off a little bit of an angle,

You come in a little bit here, you're gonna have some issues.

When you're talking about a five-man unit

Against a five-man unit,

Where any little advantage

Is going to make a gigantic difference on the battlefield,

Me not having to change my magazine in that moment,

That's where pol pot and the khmer rouge

Are going to get a significant advantage.

You know, the rpk is lighter, and it may decrease fatigue.

So from a doctor's standpoint, I like the rpk.

I like the fact that it's lighter.

I don't like the fact that you've got to reload it.

My edge-- pol pot's rpd.

For long-range weapons, edge--pol pot

And the khmer rouge.

Coming up, the combat goes hand-to-hand,

As experts strike with their close-quarter blades.

Saddam hussein and his republican guard

Or pol pot and his khmer rouge--

Who will be crowned the deadliest warrior?

Saddam hussein...

The iraqi dictator whose republican guard

Crushed kurdish and shia rebellions in the 1990s,

Versus pol pot, the communist tyrant

Whose khmer rouge guerillas overran the cambodian military

Before enslaving millions in the 1970s.

Two sadistic rulers known for killing their own people

Now face off to kill each other.

When the fighting got up close and personal,

Both sides often unsheathed their bladed weapons.

Saddam's republican guard carried the combat knife--

A powerful killing device wielded by hand

Or at the end of a gun.

Pol pot slashes back with a blade

Modeled after the machete, the cane knife--

A farming tool turned executioner's weapon.

This cane knife has a blade of 12 to 24 inches in length,

And it's three millimeters thick.

You can use this blade to cut the jungle undergrowth

In one moment,

And the next moment behead a cambodian soldier.

Let's test it out.

Now, we've seen how you've used

Other weapons in your arsenal to actually take a building.

Now you're inside that building

Going after your primary target.

To assess these blades' speed and penetration damage,

Each expert will kick open the door

And attack a guard represented by a section of bovine torso

Mimicking human tissue and bone.

They then must react to a second beef target

Closing in on a zip line.

To increase the accuracy of our simulator,

I'll be strapping this three-dimensional accelerometer

To the blade to get impact speed,

And the doc will be assessing the damage.

On 3, 2, 1!

Boot the door!

Rah!

[grunting]

Come on!

That'll work. [chuckles]

Two targets, two instant kills.

We've got one, two, three, four clean strikes.

All those strikes, without even me looking

At each strike individually, is a kill.

You got a speed of about 40 miles per hour at impact, okay?

And that's actually quite fast

For the other weapons that we've seen on this show.

If you can accurately deliver that blade into a human body,

Which is not nearly as thick,

I'm telling you, you're gonna drop that guy quickly,

Which allows you to move on and take on that second target.

Jonathan is up next

With the khmer rouge's cane knife.

On 3, 2, 1!

Boot it!

Oh!

Argh!

Oh, let's check this out, guys.

I got 45 miles per hour off the speed of this weapon, okay?

This was your second strike.

You get past soft tissue, muscle here,

And then right here you get stuck at the fascia and bone.

Jonathan, I think what happened

Was you got caught between two different targets,

And then you decided to come back to this.

And if you don't have a big commitment

And a great load behind it,

You get that draw cut, and it's not nearly as clean.

That's exactly what we're seeing, mack.

Let's go look at the second target.

You're going through soft tissue, muscle,

Belly of the muscle,

But it does not penetrate past that.

This is a classic difference

Between a thrusting and a slashing weapon.

You can kill with a slash, but you've got to be committed

In order to get into that chest cavity, and if you don't,

A lot blood, a lot of pain, but not an instant kill.

When you're talking about the person

Who commits to the target,

You're talking about the khmer rouge here.

There's no hesitation for them.

You know, you talk about young soldiers.

They grew up with this stuff.

This is the extended arm for them,

So every time when they use it, they committed.

What I think, honestly,

You have a longer blade than me, but it's too slow.

You got to swing a lot with it.

This is used in iraq by the farmers.

It's a farm tool. It's not a weapon.

This is a weapon.

So which blade gets the edge?

Listen, there's a lot more flexibility

With regards to the combat knife as a battlefield tool.

When you're talking about the cane knife,

You do need some room to operate with that weapon.

If you're in a tight, closed, confined space,

It's gonna be much harder to load up that big swing

And deliver that great result.

The edge for me

Goes to the republican guard's combat knife.

For close-range weapons,

Edge--saddam hussein and his republican guard.

The arsenals have been tested,

And the results are neck and neck.

Up next, the climactic final battle--

Saddam hussein, the butcher of baghdad,

Whose atrocities included chemical warfare,

Versus pol pot, the cambodian warlord

Who starved and slaughtered

A quarter of his country's citizens.

Who is deadliest?

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Saddam hussein and his mighty iraqi republican guard army,

Cambodia's pol pot and his ruthless khmer rouge rebels--

Combined, their kurdish and cambodian genocides

Took an estimated five million lives.

But who would win a head-to-head battle

Between two of the most savage mass murderers

Of the 20th century?

Our team has tested and analyzed the weapons

These two warriors will bring to the final battle.

In explosives, the republican guard's rgd-5 grenade

Was overpowered by the khmer rouge's stick grenade.

In close-range weapons,

The khmer rouge's cane knife was cut down

By the republican guard's combat knife.

In medium-range weapons,

The khmer rouge's tokarev tt-33

Was outdueled by the republican guard's

Browning hi-power pistol.

In long-range weapons,

The republican guard's rpk was gunned down

By the khmer rouge's rpd light machine gun.

All the weapons data has been turned over to robert daly

And plugged into the digital combat engine.

His team of enneers

Has completed their historical research

On more than 100 "x" factors.

We evaluate these intangibles, like audacity,

Battlefield experience, logistics.

And our historians quantify it

Into a numeric value of 1 to 100.

For me, it's all about the "x" factor of training

In this particular matchup,

Because saddam hussein and the republican guard

Had oil money.

And if you got oil money, you can have people,

Buildings, and infrastructure to train them.

That makes all the difference in the world.

Yeah, geoff, training--

We ended up rating saddam at a 70

Versus pol pot at a 53.

With regards to psychological health,

Both of these guys have

Dsm-4 antisocial-behavior classification,

Added with paranoid traits.

Both these guys are completely insane.

Saddam hussein's psychological health,

We rated it as 46 versus pol pot's 27.

This is really due to the fact that pol pot--

He's doing something that I've never seen happen

In human history before.

He's trying to re-create history in his own image,

Killing millions of people to do this.

Robert, let's talk about battlefield effectiveness.

You need to be able to initiate your attack.

And you have to have killer instinct

To see it all the way through until you own that battle.

On the initiative side,

Pol pot had a slight advantage at an 83 versus saddam's 74.

On the last "x" factor, we're talking about killer instinct.

Now, this is a tough one, but pol pot had the advantage,

'cause his troops would go in and make that final kill,

Because that's what they were taught to do

At such a young age.

And we gave pol pot's troops an 89 versus saddam's 86.

Okay, rob, you've got the weapons data.

We've assigned values to all the "x" factors.

Let's run the sim.

The digital combat engine will run 5,000 battles

Between saddam hussein

And four republican guard soldiers

Versus pol pot and four khmer rouge guerillas.

Aah! [machine gun fire]

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Aah!

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Aah!

Aah!

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Aah! Gah!

Uhh!

Gah! Uhh!

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Saddam ended up winning this matchup,

With 2,828 victories,

Versus pol pot, with only 2,172 victories.

In the head-to-head weapons comparison,

Saddam hussein's rpk light machine gun,

Browning hi-power pistol, and combat knife

Proved more effective.

But it was his overwhelming advantage

In the "x" factor of training that sealed the victory.

Saddam hussein and his republican guard

Are really an organization that is set up to put down rebels.

When you look at pol pot and the khmer rouge,

They are rebels.

So that's why saddam ended up winning.

They're crazy people,

And I hate giving crazy people attention.

But sometimes you need to know who the crazy people are

So you can stop them before they start causing

This level of trouble.

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