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In this episode of American Greed, Bobby
Kahn runs a New Jersey dealership
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featuring cars so exotic that you have
to ask the price you can't afford it.
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A base price of $1 .8 million.
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Only three people will have it.
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Rolls -Royce Ghost, Lamborghini, Bobby
Kahn is going after the high, high -end
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consumers.
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But the FBI believes Kahn has zoomed off
into the sunset after selling cars that
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aren't his.
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I want my money. I want my car. Where is
my car? Everything he did was about
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stealing money. And later, in upstate
New York, Paul Seglia claims to own half
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of Facebook and says he's got the
contract to prove it. Now that Facebook
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worth billions, he was going to go after
some of that money.
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Mark Zuckerberg's signature is on the
contract.
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It just kind of gave you goosebumps.
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But when Seglia heads to court to take
on Zuckerberg, he ends up in handcuffs,
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accused of fraud.
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It's a huge situation involving very,
very powerful people trying to
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put Mr. Seglia in a vice and crush him.
Whether he's a little guy speaking truth
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to power or just a brazen con man, one
thing is clear.
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Paul Seglia has disappeared.
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Paul comes up with this crazy scheme to
show movement to be able to escape.
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Since opening in 2013, Emporio Motor
Group has been a hot destination.
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for ultra -high -end exotic cars in
Bergen County, New Jersey.
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Emporio owner Bobby Kahn sells pre
-owned status symbols on consignment.
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In exchange for hosting the cars in his
gleaming showroom and enticing buyers,
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the car's owners agree to give Kahn a
cut of the sale.
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The way it should work is that you would
get some of the money back for your
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car. If you had a loan on it, the loan
would be paid off, and then he would
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make some money on it, so everyone would
win.
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Yet within its first year of business in
Ramsey, consignors claim their cars
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have gone missing. And buyers say when
they call to ask for their titles,
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instead, they get only the runaround.
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By the spring of 2014, clients feel the
excuses have worn thin.
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And some, like Peter Winston, go to the
dealership to demand answers in person.
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I started looking around, and I said, I
want to know what's going on here. I
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want my car. Where's Bobby Conn? I want
to speak to Bobby Conn.
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Winston had consigned his BMW M6
convertible to Emporium, and now he's
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it's missing.
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They say, listen, if you don't calm down
or get out of here, we're going to call
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the police.
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So I'm like, go ahead, call the police.
And I'm like, come on, hurry up. I want
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to speak to Bobby Conn. I want my money.
I want my car. Where is my car?
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Winston fears arrest, but he says when
the cops arrive, he gets a different
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shot.
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Behind the policemen are an angry mob
scene.
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And coincidentally, we all had enough,
and we all got there on the same day. So
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there was over a dozen people there on
this day looking to find out what's
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on. So at this point, I realize what a
disaster it is.
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Emporio Motor Group is owned by Afzal
Khan, a 32 -year -old dealer better
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as Bobby.
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Emporio Motor Group, the real adult toy
store. If it's not good enough for us,
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it's not good enough for you.
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Khan is born in Scotland in 1982, the
son of immigrants from Pakistan.
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He grows up in the United States,
graduating from high school in 2001.
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Reporter Joan Verdon interviews Khan in
2013, shortly before Emporio's grand
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opening. He said that as a young boy, he
remembers begging his dad to take him
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to car dealerships, that he would sneak
in.
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car magazines into his house, like the
way other guys would be sneaking in
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Playboy.
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He claimed that he could tell a luxury
car by the smell of its leather, that
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it's a piece of art.
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In 2008, entrepreneur Seth Rose runs a
transport company for exotic and high
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-end cars.
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He meets Bobby Kahn at a Bentley and
Lamborghini dealership on Long Island,
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where Kahn works as a buyer.
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When I first met Bobby, he was a fast
talker, but a very likable guy.
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He seemed to be a man of means.
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He was always chauffeured around in a
Bentley. He had an assistant, so he
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very refined.
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The Long Island dealership goes out of
business in 2009, and Bobby Kahn sets up
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shop in a modest Jersey City storefront
as an independent dealer, calling
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himself Emporio Motor Group.
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Rose says he provides seed money for
Khan's new venture.
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I had sold a couple of my own cars
through him, and he asked me if he could
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on to the money to use to buy and sell
cars.
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At the time, I agreed, and we were
partners on the cars.
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He would buy a car, sell it, and give me
a commission for part of the profit.
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Rose feels that for six to eight months,
their arrangement works well.
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Every time he'd buy a car, he would send
me the details of the car, pictures of
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the car, because I have a huge network
of exotic car owners that would be
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interested in buying such cars.
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At one point, he sent me information on
a Ferrari that he purchased.
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I had plenty of people interested.
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Despite the intense demand, Bobby Kahn
is reluctant to sell.
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Rose says he has a ready excuse.
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He kept insisting that there was a
problem with the title and that he
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sell the car, so I did a little fact
-checking myself.
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to find that he had sold the car and
that it was gone.
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Rose thinks he's been ripped off to the
tune of $130 ,000.
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He says he confronts Kahn about the
missing Ferrari and the money, and they
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out a payment schedule.
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He came to see me at my office in Long
Island, and he brought with him $10 ,000
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in cash, and from that moment forward,
he would send me money every month.
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He really made a sincere attempt to
apologize to me. I'm not going to say
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completely trusted him, but I still
stayed friendly with him.
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Kahn appears to recover from the alleged
misstep, and his company's profile
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rises greatly in 2011.
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That year, Emporio Motor Group becomes
the exclusive U .S. distributor for
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Zenvo, a carmaker from Denmark.
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Its flagship supercar, the ST1.
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is made entirely by hand.
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Fifteen units are destined for the
world. Out of the 15, three come to the
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United States.
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The U .S. model is an ST -150S, gives
you 1 ,250 horsepower, seven -speed F -1
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transmission, and a base price of $1 .8
million.
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It's a major coup for Bobby Kahn.
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In November 2011, Kahn premieres the
Zenbo ST -1 at a posh New Jersey
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set against the New York skyline.
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There, Melissa Gorga gets behind the
wheel.
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Gorga is a star of the reality TV series
The Real Housewives of New Jersey.
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Sort of like starring in his own reality
show. If you look rich, you are rich.
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If you say it, it's true.
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Trying to live what he thought was the
Jersey lifestyle.
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Next on American Greed.
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Bobby Kahn mingles with stars, and his
customers search for their missing car.
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What are you going to do about this?
This is my car. It's stolen.
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It's my vehicle. It's my property. I
have the title.
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In April 2013, Bobby Kahn moves Emporio
Motor Group to Ramsey, New Jersey.
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He throws a grand opening to celebrate
his sparkling new showroom.
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He had a lot of people there. There was
a ton of food. There were spotlights.
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There were celebrities.
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It was a big show.
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VIP guests include professional athletes
and musicians, as well as Jacqueline
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Loretta and Melissa Gorga, who are cast
members on the Bravo series The Real
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Housewives of New Jersey.
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Jenny J. Wow Farley from MTV's The
Jersey Shore also makes an appearance.
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Although the Emporio Motor Group
showroom boasts copious eye candy, few
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cars actually belong to Bobby Kahn.
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The dealership's inventory is comprised
of cars on consignment from private
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owners. A lot of them said they had been
trying to sell their car on Craigslist,
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and he reached out to them and sort of
charmed them and said, why are you
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selling your car on Craigslist? Come
bring it to my beautiful showroom.
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Emporio Motor Group.
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Quality service you can trust.
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Brendan Kehoe works in New Jersey as a
software executive.
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He first visits Emporia Motor Group with
his business partner, who buys a
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Bentley from Bobby Kahn.
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In the showroom, Kehoe spies his own
dream car, a Porsche 911 Carrera S.
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I've always wanted a Porsche 911.
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I have a little gray model that's been
sitting in my office for about 10 years.
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And being a family man, I had never
really owned, you know, a mad money type
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car.
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Several visits later, Kehoe finally
succumbs to the siren song.
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I had made a decision to say I'm going
to buy the car that I had always wanted.
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So I plunked the money down and drove
around town in it for about an hour and
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half, just for the experience of it.
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Kehoe drives his dream car home with
temporary plates and registration.
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But he becomes concerned when 10 days
pass and his title and registration
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have not arrived. I went back to Emporio
Motors and was just told that, oh, it's
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on its way. When nothing arrives after a
few more days, Kehoe says he returns to
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the dealership. I've got another song
and dance act just short of my dog ate
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homework. I realized something was
wrong.
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On a hunch, Kehoe convinces his business
partner, who bought a Bentley from
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Bobby Kahn, to check the car's
registration with the New Jersey Motor
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Commission. They informed us that his
registration in place had actually been
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canceled the day after he acquired the
car.
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And immediately I then knew that
something was up. I went back to
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Bobby Kahn locked himself upstairs in
his office.
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would not come out.
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Kehoe begins posting on luxury car
forums and review websites, warning
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about his title troubles at Emporio
Motor Group.
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I also went to Yelp and started putting
up posts under my own name with my cell
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number. I started getting phone calls,
50 or so people explaining to me their
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story. Florida businessman Peter Winston
says in January 2014, he talks with
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Bobby Kahn.
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about consigning his BMW M6 convertible.
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I didn't really have a need to have such
a fancy car anymore, and a family
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member in need needed some money anyway,
so I thought I would sell the car and
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help them out.
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Winston owns his car outright.
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Being able to consign without handing
over the car's physical title up front
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makes him feel safe.
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If two people were stopped, and one
person is at a bus stop with a title to
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vehicle, and another person is in the
vehicle, And a policeman says, whose
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vehicle this is?
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And I say, it's mine, and I show the
title. I believe the policeman will say,
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sir, you'll have to get out of that
vehicle and give it to him.
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While Winston is at home in Florida with
his title, he says Bobby Kahn has big
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plans for his car in New Jersey.
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He even sends me a picture of the car in
the showroom, and it's all polished up
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like when it was brand new.
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And he says, don't worry, it's going to
be out of here in one, two, three.
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One, two, three, not so much.
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He said, oh, I have a buyer.
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Oh, it fell through. I have another
buyer. It fell through.
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Then finally said he had another buyer,
and the thing is going through, and I'm
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going to send you some money.
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Finally, I got a Federal Express
envelope, and it was empty.
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So I said, what's going on here?
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In spring 2014, Winston recalls
traveling to New Jersey to confront
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in the showroom.
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I said, I want to know what's going on
here. I want my car. Where's Bobby Kahn?
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I want to speak to Bobby Kahn. There was
over a dozen people there on this day
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looking to find out what's going on.
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At this point, I realized what a
disaster it is and that, you know, I
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serious loss on my hands with this car.
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Winston eventually gets a call from a
man in Illinois who says he has the M6.
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The buyer has his own story of being
duped by Bobby Kahn. At first, he says
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in love with his new Beamer.
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He's driving the car back to Illinois,
probably with the top down, putting on
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the music, maybe even putting it into
the excess of the speed limit.
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is magical.
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But Peter Winston still has the title to
the car.
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Bobby Kahn has managed to sell it to the
new buyer without the proper
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documentation.
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And without title, the new owner can't
register the car in Illinois.
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Making matters worse, the new buyer got
a loan to buy it.
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And his lender expects him to make the
payments no matter what.
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Now it's sitting there and he can't use
it. So it was kind of annoying to him.
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So I caught him at the annoying phase.
He was just disgusted.
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The thrill was gone.
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Winston says he reaches out to the
buyer's lender, TD Auto Finance.
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I contacted a VP at the bank.
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I said, this is my car. I have the
title. You need a title.
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He needs the title to register the car.
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He's sitting paying on a car that's
unregistered. What are you going to do
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this? This is my car. It's stolen.
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It's my vehicle. It's my property. I
have the title.
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He said he had to protect his buyer, and
there's a transaction between him and
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the buyer, and they're working on
straightening the situation out, and
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nothing they can do for me.
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In a statement to American Greed, TD
Auto Finance says the company employs
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robust controls and procedures to detect
potential fraud and promptly alert the
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appropriate law enforcement authorities.
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In the case of Emporio Motor Group,
those controls and procedures worked as
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designed, and we cooperated fully with
authorities.
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Winston learns that New Jersey law
favors the buyer, not the consigner,
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regardless of who actually holds the
title.
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The law is clear in New Jersey that if a
retail consumer goes to a dealer and
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buys a car, they are not obligated to
research the title history for the
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vehicle. The law allows them to assume
that the dealer is able to sell and
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convey good title to that vehicle.
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Winston had hoped to get $65 ,000 out of
his M6, but all it gets is stolen right
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out from under him, allegedly by Bobby
Kahn.
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and eliminate me completely as if I
don't exist now, and I'm completely
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off the title, and now the car is titled
by the new buyer in the state of
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Illinois.
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Next on American Greed, as Emporio Motor
Group goes bust, Bobby Kahn goes
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missing. A lot of dealers might
perpetrate fraud when they know their
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is circling the drain.
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In this case, it looks like it was his
business plan from the get -go.
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By summer 2014, Emporio Motor Group
clients are furious.
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Car buyers say they can't drive their
vehicles because Emporio won't send them
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their titles.
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That's because those titles are often
still in the hands of consignors who say
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Bobby Kahn has sold their cars right out
from under them.
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A lot of dealers might perpetrate fraud
when they know their business is
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circling the drain and going out of
business.
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In this case, it looks like it was his
business plan from the get -go.
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From December 2013 through September
2014, at least 75 Emporio
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clients filed complaints with the Ramsey
Police and Bergen County Prosecutors.
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The local authorities just took their
sweet time in really doing anything
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this. And I kept getting back that they
were putting the case together.
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And that went on for probably better
than three months.
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We've since learned of as many as
perhaps a dozen other people that went
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Ramsey police over the span of nine
months and were essentially told, you
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civil dispute, we're not going to get
involved.
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The Ramsey police declined an interview
request from American Greed, referring
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questions about the case to the FBI.
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The Bergen County Prosecutor's Office
did not return our call.
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Many Emporio Motor Group customers who
feel their pleas for help aren't being
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taken seriously go online to look for
answers and warn others.
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The word got out that there was this
sort of Yelp community.
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Right away I was able to get in touch
with people.
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I found there was this tremendous sort
of network of victims.
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Joan Verdon interviewed several Emporio
clients who had posted on Yelp .com.
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We immediately did a story saying there
have been all these complaints about
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Emporio Motor Group, Bobby Kahn, and
they all seem to be saying the same
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that people either bought cars, didn't
get titles, or that they sold their cars
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to Bobby Kahn and never received money.
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In mid -September 2014, the New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Commission suspends
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Motor Group's license.
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And then in October, the U .S. Attorney
of New Jersey...
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charges Abzal Bobby Kahn with wire
fraud.
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The indictment alleges one lender has
lost $1 .7 million over the course of
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21 auto loans to Emporio clients.
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All banks have built -in safeguards to
prevent these types of actions.
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If it happens once, something really
fell through the cracks. When it happens
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-something times, it's not an accident,
it's not a coincidence.
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Total losses could stand as high as $7
million.
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You would have the seller out money, the
finance company out money, and the
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buyer out money. There's not many people
who were able to scam as well as he
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did.
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The FBI goes to arrest Bobby Kahn in
late October.
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By then, he's gone.
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We have looked for him from that date,
and we continue to look for him now.
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I think the walls were closing in on him
way too fast.
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and that he couldn't handle it, and
that's why he just left.
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In Bobby Kahn's wake, some Emporio
clients, like Peter Winston, feel they
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no car and no recourse.
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I'm contacting TD Auto Finance and
asking them to solve this problem by
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me restitution.
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They keep telling me I should go back to
the dealership, knowing that the
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dealership is closed down and the owner
of the dealership is a fugitive from the
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law. Other buyers and sellers have
reached private agreements for the cars
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question. Brendan Kehoe now has the
title to his dream Porsche.
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I had paid $40 ,000 plus for the car.
The gentleman who owned the car, when we
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got in contact, I explained to him what
the law was and that, you know, both of
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us were going to lose. I'd have a
depreciating boat anchor in my garage,
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wouldn't have anything.
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We reached a deal that I gave him
additional $8 ,000 of cash out of my
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and he brought me the legal title, and I
managed to register it the next day.
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But he hoped, for the sake of all
Emporio clients, Abzal Bobby Kahn will
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justice. Just remember, revenge is a
dish best served cold, and everybody
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crosses a dark street by themselves
sooner or later.
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That's what I will say to you, Bobby.
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Sooner or later, I will find you.
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Abzav Babi Khan is a U .S. citizen, but
has ties to Pakistan, Dubai, Scotland,
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and Canada.
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The FBI is offering a $20 ,000 reward
for information leading to his capture.
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Next on American Greed, an entrepreneur
sues Mark Zuckerberg and finds himself
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in handcuffs.
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Paul Teglia seems interested in one
thing, which is making money by suing
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Facebook.
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3 ,000 miles from Silicon Valley in the
hills of western New York, a man named
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Paul Seglia fancies himself a high -tech
visionary.
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He claims to be the rightful owner of
half of Facebook, thanks to a gamble he
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took back in 2003 on its young, unknown
founder, Mark Zuckerberg.
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Now the company is worth hundreds of
billions of dollars.
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There are more active Facebook users
than people in China.
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But to become a billionaire himself,
Paul Seglia will have to do battle with
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Mark Zuckerberg.
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Seglia grows up in Wellsville, a town of
about 5 ,000 people.
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This is the Wellsville High School class
of 91 senior yearbook.
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Every yearbook has a senior poll, most
respected, most likely to become
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president. And Paul Seglia was named
most corrupt.
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A lot of his high school friends were
saying he always had some kind of a
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going or some kind of a make -money
-quick business idea, and that was kind
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his M .O.
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Paul Seglia goes from corrupt kid to
full -on felon at 24 when he pleads
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to possessing psilocybin, also known as
magic mushrooms.
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Seglia spends the next 10 years on
probation, but he can't seem to stay out
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trouble.
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In 2005 in Florida, he pleads no contest
to trespassing.
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A sheriff claims he was giving potential
buyers a tour of property in an orange
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grove, land he didn't own.
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Seglia eventually makes his way back to
Wellsville, where he marries a hometown
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girl and starts a family.
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In between big ideas, he gets by as a
landlord.
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One of his houses was a couple houses
down from where I lived, and he did the
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bare minimum to get that house livable.
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His ability to do some work, you know,
kind of kept him going while he was
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trying different businesses to make the
big dollar.
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His quest for a payday continues in 2009
when Segalia launches Allegheny
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Pellets. The company intends to make and
sell wood pellets.
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a common home heating fuel in upstate
New York.
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He accepts roughly $200 ,000 in prepaid
orders, largely from Internet customers.
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This is where you put the pellets in.
The wood pellets themselves, it's just
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compressed sawdust and wood chips, and
it's really quite small.
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Rhiannon Sisson of Sisson's Chainsaws
and Stoves in nearby Bolivar learns from
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her customers that there's a new player
on the pellet scene.
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We started getting into that time of
year and, you know, it's getting more
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difficult to get the wood pellet fuel
itself.
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And then we hear about this, you know,
gentleman who is pre -selling for these
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pellets. We're thinking, how does he
have these pellets? We were kind of
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questioning it, but we thought, you
know, maybe he knows something that we
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know. But in September of that year,
Seglia has bad news.
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He tells his customers their pellets
won't arrive on time, but he doesn't
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refunds. Paul sent out a letter saying
that he had layoff, so they were behind
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on orders. But, you know, when I visited
him and saw the operation, it was Paul.
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I'm not sure who his employees were.
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In December 2009, the New York Attorney
General shuts down Allegheny Pellets and
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accuses Seglia of fraud.
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Although the case is later settled, the
way Paul Seglia tells it...
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This legal woe leads to his good
fortune.
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During his legal proceedings with the
Attorney General, he was going through
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some paperwork and some old folders.
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He told me he was looking for anyone who
had owed him money over the years, and
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that's when he found his contract with
Mark Zuckerberg.
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Back in 2003, Zuckerberg is a Harvard
freshman majoring in psychology.
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Seglia is 29, and working on his latest
big idea,
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Street Facts.
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The company plans to photograph,
measure, and map intersections, and then
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access to its database to insurance
companies investigating accidents.
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Seglia posts an ad on Craigslist looking
for a coder, and Zuckerberg responds.
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In April 2003, Seglia meets the 18 -year
-old freshman in Boston, and the two
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sign a contract for Zuckerberg to work
on Street Facts.
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That much they agree on.
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But Paul Seglia's attorney, Joseph
Alioto, says in addition to the coding
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for Street Facts, Zuckerberg pitches
Seglia on his own little idea.
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He calls it the Facebook.
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I just figured it would be really cool
if there was some website where I could
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go to that would tell me...
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a bunch of information about my friends
and the people around me.
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Alioto says Seglia invests $1 ,000 in
Zuckerberg's pet project, a good one,
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perhaps with limited potential.
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Mr. Seglia thought that this was
something confined to the college and
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selling, basically, or attempting to
sell things like mugs and sweatshirts
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things like that.
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And so he made that particular
agreement, but without knowledge of what
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turn out to be.
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So after allegedly stumbling upon the
old contract, Paul Seglia filed suit.
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Seglia remembered this kid who he had
done work with when he was a college
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freshman and decided now that Facebook
was worth billions, he was going to go
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after some of that money.
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CNBC senior correspondent Julia Boorstin
notes that Seglia isn't the first
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person to stake a claim to Facebook.
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In 2009, Zuckerberg settled with Eduardo
Saverin.
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Saverin was a fellow student of
Zuckerberg's at Harvard. He also was a
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-founder of Facebook.
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The issue there was that Saverin said
that Zuckerberg had unfairly diluted his
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stake in the company.
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The Winklevoss twins' suit against Mark
Zuckerberg became very famous in a
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Hollywood movie called The Social
Network.
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We were shocked to see our idea being
presented as thefacebook .com.
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That suit was settled by Zuckerberg
giving the Winklevoss twins $20 million
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cash and 1 .25 million Facebook shares.
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But Borsten says Seglia's claim is very
different.
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It was seven years after he said he and
Mark Zuckerberg had done business
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together. By then, Facebook was worth
$23 billion.
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To prove his claim, Seglia submits to
the court a photocopy of a two -page
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contract.
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He says it's all spelled out in black
and white. He rightfully owns 50 % of
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Facebook.
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Next on American Greed.
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Mark Zuckerberg's signature is on the
contract.
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It just kind of gave you goosebumps.
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Want inside information from the show?
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In July 2010, at a court hearing in
Buffalo, ownership of Facebook is on the
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line. The company is worth $23 billion.
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Entrepreneur Paul Seglia claims he owns
half of the social media company, and he
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produces this work -for -hire contract
to try to prove it.
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A Facebook attorney tells the judge,
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Our client entered a contract with
Seglia.
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Whether he signed this piece of paper,
we are unsure at this point.
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Days later, in an interview with Diane
Sawyer, Mark Zuckerberg is asked about
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his lawyer's unsure statement.
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If we said that we were unsure, I think
that was likely taken out of context
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because I think we were quite sure that
we did not sign a contract that says
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that they have any right to ownership
over Facebook.
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The very next day, Paul Seglia fires
back at Zuckerberg on, of all places,
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Facebook.
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He writes...
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Saw Mark on Diane Sawyer last night. He
says, we are quite sure we didn't sign.
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It seemed pretty hard for him to get
that out without choking up.
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00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:10,790
Two days after the interview, Facebook
issues this written statement.
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00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:17,430
Mark has made it clear that Sekulia's
claims are absurd, and we strongly
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the contract is forged.
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00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:26,010
By April 2011, Facebook's value has
swelled to $65 billion.
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00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:29,690
Paul Seglia ups the ante.
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00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:34,490
To bolster his assertion that his
investment is real, he submits to the
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what looks like email excerpts.
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00:30:37,330 --> 00:30:41,890
They claim to be back and forth with him
and Zuckerberg. In one of the messages
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00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:48,310
dated July 2003, Mark Zuckerberg
purportedly asked Seglia for permission
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00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:50,470
the coding work he's done for Street
Facts.
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On Facebook.
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It reads, I've been tweaking the search
engine today and I'm pleased with its
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results. I'd like to use it for the
Harvard site. I think it will really
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people find each other.
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00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:07,960
Even if they spell names incorrectly,
would it be agreeable with you if I
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the source code?
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Thanks.
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In another one, dated January 2004,
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Seglia appears to berate Zuckerberg for
supposedly missing Facebook's launch
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deadline.
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He writes, I'm starting to think you
just blew that money mark. You know
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perfectly well that you can't just take
a person's investment and then spend it
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00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:33,500
on women and beer or whatever you do up
there in Harvard.
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00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Everyone was really interested to see
these emails, but there was no evidence
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00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,460
that they were actually real.
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In June 2011, an attorney for Facebook
in Zuckerberg asked the court for
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permission to run scientific tests on
the paper contract.
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and to search through Seglia's
electronic media.
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There is no question on this earth that
he never signed a contract with Paul
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Seglia that had anything to do with
Facebook, period.
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If, however, when he manufactured,
doctored, cut and pasted a bogus
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document to make it appear as if this
was a Facebook contract, but then
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concocted... Bogus emails, which he did,
those are emails that were caged over
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because he's committing a fraud on the
court.
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The magistrate judge approves testing on
the paper contract and also signs off
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on a digital forensics investigation.
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Zeglia is ordered to turn over his email
passwords and all electronic devices.
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The case quickly becomes a tale of
dueling experts.
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00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook, and their
experts declined to speak to American
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Greed.
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So American Greed asked Chicago -based
ProTech International to independently
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review and explain the findings of
Facebook's experts.
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The ProTech team includes the founder of
the Illinois Attorney General's High
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Tech Crimes Unit, as well as a former
FBI digital forensics investigator and a
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former FBI agent.
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Mark Zuckerberg's team did a very good
job, very thorough.
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00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,440
They threw everything at it from
investigative side to every type of
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examiner, linguistics, to look at the
emails.
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Facebook's experts point out the spacing
between the columns.
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It's quite different from page one to
page two.
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The paragraph spacing on page one is
messy, but on page two is neat.
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And pages one and two use different
fonts.
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Perhaps most peculiar, the word Facebook
is mentioned three times on page one of
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the work -for -hire contract, but never
appears on page two.
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Zuckerberg's legal team suspects Segley
may have faked a new page one to go with
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the real page two from the Street Facts
Project.
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Everything's very expensive and time
-consuming, and Mark Zuckerberg threw
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everything at it, like he should.
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However, Seglia's team chalks all that
up to the sloppiness of a layman
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preparing his own contract. They say
their own expert findings prove the
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contract is authentic.
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One, that the signatures and the
initials were Mr. Zuckerberg's.
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Two, that the first page and Mr.
Zuckerberg's initials match the
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indentations on the second page.
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That the paper...
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came from the same mill and the same
run.
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That even the staples shows the
documents were originally together.
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Facebook's digital experts report
scouring Seglia's email accounts and
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00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:54,170
finding any of those supposed emails.
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00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:59,710
They claim those messages only turn up
in Microsoft Word documents, which show
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evidence of data tampering.
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00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:07,410
Facebook and Zuckerberg's experts
believe they are entirely bogus, the
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of Seglia's imagination.
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Any time you have inconsistencies, it
casts doubt onto, well, are these
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authentic or not? And you kind of start
with one thing, and then if you start
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00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:21,830
finding more, then the evidence kind of
builds up, and you kind of can come to
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00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:23,770
that conclusion that something's been
manipulated.
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Next on American Greed, a smoking gun
discovery and Paul Seglia under arrest.
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In July 2011, while examining a hard
drive from Seglia's parents' home,
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Facebook and Zuckerberg's digital
forensics experts say they find a
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00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:59,060
Inside a sent items folder, the experts
discover two e -mails sent back in 2004
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to an attorney in Chicago from his
mother viewer's account.
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The first has the subject line, page one
of two for street facts contract with
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Mark. The body of the message is signed
Paul.
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Attached to each message is a low
-resolution scanned image of a contract,
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doesn't mention Facebook.
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Sent items are usually really important
for our examinations.
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People forget is there.
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Facebook and Zuckerberg get a court
order to search the e -mail server at
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attorney's office.
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There they find the same exact e -mails
and contract, still there seven years
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later. When you can find evidence in
independent parties or in independent
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places that corroborate your version of
events, that makes it very powerful.
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00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,100
The smoking gun is a two -page document
titled Street Facts.
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When the second pages of the street
facts and work -for -hire contracts are
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00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:57,450
overlaid, they are virtually identical.
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00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:04,390
The street facts contract resolution is
poor, so it's hard to read, but it's
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00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:07,010
clear enough to see there is no mention
of Facebook.
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00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:13,530
Also found among Zeglia's electronic
media is this copy of a handwritten note
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00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:17,350
from the attorney, which appears to
corroborate the poor quality.
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00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:23,840
It says, Please, please fact me the
contract, because I can't read the one
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00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,840
earlier.
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00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,920
That matches up perfectly with the
Street Facts documents that are found
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00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,740
are low -res, so I think it provides
some significant corroboration to the
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that the Street Facts contract is the
contract.
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00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,700
But Seglia claims he's been hacked.
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00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:44,860
He says the smoking gun contract is a
fake, which may have been planted by
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00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:45,860
Zuckerberg himself.
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00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:53,660
Mr. Zuckerberg's lawyers immediately
knew that they wanted to get the
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00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:58,200
computer. And that's what we wanted to
also question Mr. Zuckerberg about.
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00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:59,840
He's an expert hacker.
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00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,540
As the case moves into its second year,
Facebook soars higher.
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00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,060
In January 2012,
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Mark Zuckerberg becomes Facebook's
chairman of the board.
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00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,160
And in May, the company launches its
initial public offering.
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00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:17,600
This is an awesome moment.
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00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,980
Remember, stay focused and keep
shipping.
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00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:25,860
Facebook is now worth $104 billion.
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00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,780
In October, the site marks 1 billion
users.
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00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,580
And the man who claims to own half of it
is arrested.
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00:38:37,230 --> 00:38:42,750
Paul Seglia is criminally charged with
mail fraud and wire fraud and accused of
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manufacturing evidence in his civil case
against Facebook and Zuckerberg.
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00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:52,510
Seglia claims Zuckerberg's lawyers are
calling in favors from friends in high
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places. What else do you have to say?
Anything?
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I say I will have a full statement later
for an outreach.
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Why? Why do you say that?
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00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,140
Charges from the Southern District of
New York, where Gibson Dunn, the world's
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dirtiest law firm, seems to be able to
pull any strings they want to get their
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00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:17,080
corporate grimy clients out of any
situation.
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00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,340
Seglia pleads not guilty.
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While he awaits his criminal trial,
Seglia must wear a GPS ankle monitor,
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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,920
surrender his travel documents, and stay
near his home in Wellsville, New York.
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00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:38,040
On March 26, 2013, exactly 1 ,000 days
after Paul Seglia first filed suit,
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00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:44,040
Magistrate Judge Leslie Faccio
recommends Seglia's civil case be
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00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:50,960
During the past three years, Judge
Faccio has weighed more than 5 ,000
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00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,320
court filings. He issues a 155 -page
report to explain his decision.
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00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,780
In it, he writes that evidence
establishes Seglia's work -for -hire
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00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:04,100
quote, a recently created fabrication.
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00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,980
The judge effectively said the case had
no merit because the key evidence had
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00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:09,980
been forged.
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00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,720
As for the smoking gun discovery, the
contract which makes no mention of
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00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:19,860
Facebook, the judge writes, clear and
convincing evidence establishes the
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00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:21,700
facts document's authenticity.
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00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,940
This was not a case that was dismissed
lightly.
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00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:29,830
The judge really wanted to make sure, by
digging deep into the communication
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00:40:29,830 --> 00:40:34,550
between Seglia and Zuckerberg, that
Seglia's claims were false.
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00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:39,770
However, the criminal case against him
for mail fraud and wire fraud moves
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00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:40,770
forward.
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00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:47,630
In March 2015, just two months before
his trial is set to begin, Paul Seglia
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00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:49,570
decides to cut and run.
589
00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:54,850
Paul was very smart. He had his cell
phone ready.
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00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,480
He took a photo of the bracelet on his
ankle.
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00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:06,560
He then removed it and put it back
together and called the authorities to
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00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,700
there was a small problem with the
bracelet.
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00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,940
It's on. I'm fine. And then they sent
him a photo of the bracelet on his
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00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,340
Instead, Seglia fastens his ankle
monitor to a device he's attached to his
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00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:23,320
ceiling. The idea is to make it look
like he's moving about his house.
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00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:27,670
Seglia rigs it to a timer and hits the
road.
597
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:33,150
Unfortunately for Paul, the timer failed
on him, and that's when they realized
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00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:34,270
something was going on.
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00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:38,570
A fugitive's task force arrives, and
officers force their way inside.
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00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:43,730
There they find Seglia's malfunctioning
machine, motors still rattling,
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00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:45,290
bracelets still.
602
00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:51,490
The man who took on Facebook has
vanished, along with his wife, two
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00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:52,870
and the family dog.
604
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:57,740
Paul Seglia is a fugitive.
605
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,780
Although he has surrendered his
passports, he has dual citizenship and
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00:42:02,780 --> 00:42:07,900
Ireland. The U .S. Marshals are offering
a $5 ,000 reward for information
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00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:09,140
leading to his capture.
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00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:16,900
In Seglia's absence, his legal team
petitions the U .S. Supreme Court in
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00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:22,280
November 2015, asking it to reopen his
dismissed civil lawsuit.
610
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:24,800
But in January 2016,
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00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:31,980
the justices declined to hear his case,
leaving Paul Seglia on the run with no
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00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:33,840
hope for a Facebook payday.
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