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In this episode of American Greed, Pam
Phillips and Gary Triano, their charmed
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life makes others green with envy.
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The public saw them as a power couple.
They saw her as beautiful, they saw him
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as charismatic.
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He's a mega -millionaire developer.
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She's a socialite. But don't envy them,
because the money isn't his.
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He owed a lot of people a lot of money
and declared bankruptcy.
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So Gary had a lot of enemies.
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And when greed takes hold of their
marriage, is there anything they won't
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money? I am very serious about this.
You're going to be very serious when you
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send in a woman's prison for murder.
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In Tucson, Arizona, it seems like every
swing of the hammer or pull of the slot
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machine lever has something to do with
Gary Triano.
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Triano is a developer and bingo hall
pioneer back in Tucson's go -go days of
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1980s.
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Rusty Sands is Triano's good friend and
former partner.
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At that time, he was very, very, very
successful. He was one of the
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of bingo.
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on Indian reservations.
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Bingo!
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They started making a lot, a lot of
money every month.
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Triano is well known around Tucson for
his wealth and his larger -than -life
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personality.
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Very self -assured, very flamboyant,
liked the center of attention, but could
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typically back it up.
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Yeah, he was a lot of fun to be around.
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In 1985,
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Triano catches the eye of a local real
estate agent named Pamela Phillips, who
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was newly divorced from her first
husband.
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Pam socializes with Gary at parties
thrown by him and his wife, and they
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friends.
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Well, she was a sexy lady, and she made
herself available.
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I believe Gary was very smitten.
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Soon, the married Triano becomes
enamored with Phillips.
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and the two begin an affair.
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Within months, Triano files for divorce
from his first wife, with whom he has
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two children.
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Less than a year after ending his first
marriage, Gary and Pam marry on a yacht
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in San Diego.
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It was a fantastic wedding. It was a
black -tie type of wedding, and
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and anything you wanted to drink was
flowing. It was a beautiful, beautiful
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wedding.
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The adoring couple seems to have it all.
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Love, happiness, and lots of money.
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No one could imagine, then, how it would
all go so wrong within a few years.
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As it turned out, I guess it was the
biggest mistake he ever made in his
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But during the good years, Gary and Pam
live in high style.
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They have two children together and
purchase a home in Tucson's affluent
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Country Club.
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where they host their wealthy and famous
friend.
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Carrie Drobin is an author and criminal
defense attorney who spent a year
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researching the couple for her book, A
Socialite Scorned.
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They ran around with the likes of Donald
Trump.
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They would go to their estate in Mar -a
-Lago. They had two Jaguars. They lived
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in this beautiful house. They thought
nothing of jet -setting off to, you
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some exotic locale for the weekend.
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That was the lifestyle that they created
and wanted people to see them as.
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Then, in the late 1980s, Tucson's
economic tide begins to turn, and Gary
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Triano's fortune starts washing away.
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First, the real estate market crashes.
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Triano is highly leveraged, so when real
estate values drop, he owes more than
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he's worth.
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So Triano turns toward heavier
investment in gaming.
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As the management company for tribal
bingo halls, Triano skims a percentage
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all receipts.
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But in the early 90s, Arizona's Indian
gaming laws change so that Native
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American tribes can retain all the
income from gaming on their
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Gary lost the contract with the Indians.
They went into their own casino.
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He got cut out of that.
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So he therefore lost a lot of money at
that time.
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His income plummets 93 % in one year,
and it only goes downhill from there.
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He owed a lot of people a lot of money.
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Some of those people were very bad
people.
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He owed money to a group of northern
Mexican investors to tune to $2 .6
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Their attorney had told him, if you file
bankruptcy, these people will kill you.
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Despite the warning, he goes ahead and
files for bankruptcy in 1994 with an
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estimated $26 million in debt.
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Meanwhile, his wife Pam, who was a very
successful real estate agent in her own
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right, doesn't know the extent of Gary's
troubles.
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In fact, what is really striking about
it is Pam comes into this marriage with
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$2 million.
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They visit a bankruptcy attorney
together, and she has probably this cold
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dawning when she's sitting in the office
realizing, oh, my God, what have I
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done? She discovers at that time that
Gary is nothing that the public
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him to be. He has 74 pending lawsuits.
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He owes his attorney $97 ,000.
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He owes his former wife $1 .8 million.
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He is indebted to everyone with no means
of paying anything back.
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So all of a sudden, she's plummeted into
this world that she never wanted.
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Once she learns just how much debt her
once high -rolling husband has gotten
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himself into,
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Pam Phillips files for divorce.
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And in a little over a month, it's
finalized.
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Pam is awarded the house.
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But things get even worse between the
former golden couple when Pam decides to
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leave town with their two children.
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She sold the house.
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and recouped the proceeds. It was about
$300 ,000.
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She did that while Gary was off on a
weekend jaunt with someone else.
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So it was sort of a stick it to you, I'm
going to take what's mine, what she
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felt she was entitled to, and she fled
to Aspen.
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Gary Triano is alone in Tucson with a
mountain of debt.
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On the afternoon of November 1st, 1996,
Gary plays golf at his favorite course,
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La Paloma Country Club.
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Though he shoots well, it may be his
last time playing here.
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He owes the club months of past dues,
and they want him out.
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It's been quite a fall, but his problems
will soon be over.
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On the last day of his life, Gary Triano
golfs his favorite course at La Paloma
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Country Club in Tucson.
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Gary Triano was a creature of habit, and
that was sort of his trademark.
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He golfed a certain day of the week at a
certain time and with a certain
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partner.
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Triano plays 18 holes.
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Then he makes the walk to his parking
spot.
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As he's done so many times before.
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Only this time, there is someone
watching.
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And lying in wait.
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Someone who has placed a blue bag on
Gary's passenger seat.
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Authorities believe Gary reaches over to
pick up the bag.
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It's the last move he ever made.
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Gary Triano, just shy of his 53rd
birthday, is killed instantly.
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His watch permanently stopped at 5 .38 p
.m.
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There were light flashing.
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emergency vehicles everywhere.
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It was surreal that something of this
magnitude could happen in Tucson
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and in one of the most prestigious sides
of town.
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Pima County Sheriff's Detective James
Gamber arrives on the scene and begins
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collecting evidence from the debris.
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A roof had been torn off of it. It was
riddled with holes from shrapnel.
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Door panels were blown out. The rear
window and the windshield were blown
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In fact, we recovered the windshield in
a swimming pool about 70 feet away that
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had to travel over trees that were like
20 feet tall.
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The bomb squad determined that the
explosive device was a simple, if
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one. It was a pipe bomb that was
initiated by a remote control.
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We know that the remote control had to
be within a quarter of a mile.
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There is no shortage of rumors floating
through town about who could be
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responsible.
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NBC affiliate KVOA's crime reporter
Lupita Murillo covers the case.
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During the initial investigation,
everybody was saying it was a mob hit.
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a mob hit.
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Gary Triano didn't borrow from banks.
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He owed money to individuals.
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some with questionable reputations.
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What's more, given his background in the
gaming industry and the gangland style
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of the murder, police naturally think of
organized crime.
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We, at this point, don't have any
specific suspects.
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We have a lot of circumstances
surrounding his personal relationships
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of his business dealings that I think
would lead any reasonable...
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police officer to conclude that people
might have motives for murder. He was in
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desperate, desperate financial
circumstances personally.
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Police also looked closer to home.
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Detective Keith St. John interviewed
Gary's ex -wife, Pam Phillips, now
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with their two children in Aspen,
Colorado, and struggling to get back on
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feet. Pam was strikingly attractive.
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She came across as self -assured.
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Obviously, she was used to money, but
she also was cooperative. She sat down
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with me on three separate occasions and
talked.
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Pam Phillips is the beneficiary of a $2
million life insurance policy on Gary.
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And two months after Gary's death, she
receives the money.
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In my mind, there wasn't enough evidence
to say she's a suspect.
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After about eight months, the Gary
Triano murder case goes cold and stays
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way for nearly ten years.
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Next on American Greed, a new connection
leads to a new suspect.
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He's got all this paperwork between Gary
and Pam.
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He's got to have something to do with
this.
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In the Gary Triano murder case, the
trail is cold.
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But Tucson police will discover a fresh
lead.
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It's in 1994, two years before the
murder.
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The newly divorced Pam Phillips moves
with her two children to Aspen,
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Living on the $300 ,000 in proceeds from
the sale of her Tucson home, she sets
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about making a name for herself in a new
town away from her ex -husband.
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She moved to a very affluent
neighborhood in Aspen and needed to find
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make ends meet.
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And she did that again by relying on
friends.
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and making her alliances with wealthy
people, because she certainly didn't
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down when she moved to Aspen.
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But establishing herself as a realtor in
Aspen is harder than she expects, and
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her lifestyle exceeds her means.
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Her passion lies with a startup business
she creates called StarBabies .com, a
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website that she claims will predict the
futures of newborns.
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Pam believes the fledgling company could
grow to be worth millions, but she
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can't do it on her own.
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And that's when she enlists the help of
her neighbor, a self -described business
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consultant named Ron Young.
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He was a very bright individual, and he
had become close to Pam Phillips in
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Aspen. And Ron Young began to become
involved in Pam Phillips' financial life
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a great extent.
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The two also begin a romantic
relationship, even though Ron Young is
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sort of man Pam usually goes after.
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He was unsophisticated, not attractive,
not wealthy.
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He couldn't take her to the locales that
he was used to.
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But Pam is clearly getting something out
of the deal.
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In addition to business help, she leans
on Ron when it comes to her troubled
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relationship with her ex.
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She complained incessantly about Gary.
She complained that he didn't pay her
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enough in child support or in spousal
maintenance.
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And he considered himself a problem
solver, a fixer. And so he would come up
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with ways where she could solve the
problem, the Gary problem.
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He actually called it the 800 -pound
gorilla problem.
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Yet by April 1996, things turned sour.
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After two of Ron Young's other business
clients report him for fraud, Pam
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Phillips follows suit, reporting to
police that Ron Young is also ripping
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off in her Star Baby's business.
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James Crowley, a detective for the Aspen
police, tries to locate Ron Young.
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He was already gone.
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He rented a van at the Aspen airport,
and that was the last we heard of him.
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In his absence, Young is charged with
two counts of theft and two counts of
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forgery, and a warrant is issued for his
arrest.
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Two months later, Crowley gets a call
from Yorba Linda, California.
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Ron Young's rented van has been found,
parked near his parents' home.
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Yorba Linda contacted me and said that
Ron had been at the impound yard trying
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to recover the van, and when he was told
that the police were on the way, he
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left. and left the van behind.
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Crowley flies to Yorba Linda to inspect
the van.
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Inside, he finds some interesting
documents.
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Their work, business documents from Star
Babies, divorce paperwork between Gary
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Triano and Pamela Phelps. There are also
maps of Tucson, hotel receipts from
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Tucson, and still an Arizona license
plate and a shotgun inside.
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Crowley isn't sure what to make of the
evidence.
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Until two weeks later, when he hears
about a car bombing murder in Tucson,
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Arizona.
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I come into work the morning after the
car bombing, and it's on the front page
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of the newspaper.
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And it didn't hit me quite at first.
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So I'm like, Gary Triano, Gary Triano.
And it's like, oh my God.
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It's got to have something to do with
it. I mean, between the map of Tucson,
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guy's got a taser in the car, he's got a
shotgun in the car.
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He's got all of this paperwork between
Gary and Pam.
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I mean, he's got to have something to do
with this.
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So Crowley then calls us, which makes
the connection for us.
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Then when we question Pam, she minimizes
Ron Young and says, oh, no, he's just a
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guy that did a little financial work for
me.
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And then later on, what we find based on
the hotel receipt is that Ron Young was
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in Tucson in June and July for about 18
days.
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While police cannot place Young in
Tucson in November when the murder
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they want to know what he was doing
there in the months prior, especially
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he has no ties to Tucson and no apparent
law -abiding reason to be there. But
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detectives can't ask him these questions
because he's nowhere to be found.
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We were depending on the fugitive
warrant from Aspen for that to lead to
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arrest so we could confront him.
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Meanwhile, Pam Phillips collects a
payout from Gary's life insurance
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million.
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If Pam has been building a castle in the
sky, $2 million allows her to put a
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foundation under it.
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She bought a house in Meadowood, which
is a subdivision just outside of town,
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remodeled the house, and started living
the lifestyle that she was accustomed
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to.
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She went to lots of social engagements
at night.
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She was skiing a lot.
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She was known as a real social jet
-setter, moving in circles with very
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people.
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For ten years, Phillips lived a good
life in Aspen, while Ron Young stays out
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of sight.
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Next, police finally track down Ron
Young.
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And his own words come back to bite him.
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You're going to be really sad.
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I'm going to be back at work.
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No, you're going to be in prison for
murder.
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In 2005, Pima County, Arizona, Sheriff's
Detective James Gamber is assigned to
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work the department's unsolved murder
cases.
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One of the most infamous is the 1996 car
bombing of Gary Triano.
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Nine years later, Gamber digs the
massive case file out of storage.
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So this is the paper case file of the
Triano case.
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It contains about 300 ,000 pages of
paperwork.
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As you can tell, it's endless files.
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This isn't Gamber's first shot at the
Triano case.
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He also worked the original
investigation.
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Well, we eliminated all the suspects
that Gary's friends, families, and even
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enemies gave us.
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There was but one suspect that Gamber
feels he wasn't able to eliminate.
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Ron Young.
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Colorado businessman and one -time
boyfriend of Gary's ex -wife, Pam
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who has been a fugitive for nine years.
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What we were left with was the one
anomaly, and that was Ron Young. All the
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details that we found in Ron Young's
van, and then Pam's denial or
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of their relationship.
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But Ron was on the run.
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He had the fraud charges out of Aspen.
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We couldn't find him.
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So until we found him...
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We were stuck.
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Gamber and an ATF colleague reach out to
America's Most Wanted and convince the
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show to do a story on Ron Young.
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It airs on November 19, 2005.
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Ron Young's chiropractor recognized him,
knew he had a standing appointment, so
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he called in to America's Most Wanted.
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When Young shows up for his adjustment
at the Pompano Beach, Florida,
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chiropractor's office, police are
waiting to take him down.
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And the goal was to put him into custody
on the Colorado fraud charges and for
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us to talk to him about the Gary Triano
murder.
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Young denies any involvement in Triano's
murder, and he gives police consent to
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search his home, car, and storage
locker.
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where they find an unexpected trove of
evidence.
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They found about four large boxes worth
of evidence, a lot of paper records, a
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computer, and some microcassettes.
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We put one of those microcassettes into
a recorder, and there's Ron Young
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talking to Pam Phillips.
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Hello. Hi.
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Hi. I'm at Walmart, shopping like a
madwoman.
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to get back to the kids who are swimming
on their own with a bunch of fat, gross
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bodies down at the Glenwood Springs
pool.
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Nice place, huh?
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Oh, geez.
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And it's not just one conversation.
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Police find recordings of 500 calls and
100 e -mails between Young and Phillips
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spanning eight years.
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The topics are wide -ranging, but
mainly...
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They talk about money.
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I just, you know, with you, I want to
help you out. I just want to be at our
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original agreement, and I will honor
that, and I will try to get you as much
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as quick as I possibly can.
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It seems that Pam Phillips is making
regular cash payments to her former
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boyfriend.
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Pam sends Ron the money via FedEx.
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She even gives him the tracking numbers.
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Let's see. I have a number for you. I'm
sending it to FedEx.
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It's 8127. I mailed something.
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Let's see. I put it in the box. It is
80713864.
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And I did it, you know, priority
overnight.
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Ron Young records it all on audio tape
and on spreadsheets.
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I mailed you something, but it takes
care of January, February, and all of
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March.
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For as smart as Ron Young was alleged to
have been, he kept an enormous amount
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of material that ultimately led to his
downfall.
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This surreptitious transfer of money
directed at Ron's direction went on for
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about 10 years, and we were able to
prove 44 transactions.
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When people get greedy, it's good for
police and prosecutors because they
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to turn on each other in these phone
conversations.
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Well, I don't want too long money for
somebody for most of a decade.
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Look, can I finish it? Can I finish a
sentence?
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Can I finish a sentence?
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Can I finish a sentence?
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Can I finish a sentence?
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Will you allow me to finish a sentence?
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At one point in their relationship, Pam
begins to fall behind in payments.
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which angers Ron Young.
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In
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some
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exchanges, the amount of money they
discuss equals the life insurance policy
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Pam collected after Gary's death.
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Two million dollars.
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He goes, you got your 1 .6.
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I want my four.
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Well, that conveniently adds up to two
million.
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But this conversation postdates the
murder. It's way after the murder, which
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me says there was a prearrangement.
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In other words, you kill Gary, I'll get
two million dollars and I'll give you
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400 ,000. Right now, I want to know.
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And I'm going to go figure out what it
is, and I'm going to try to figure out
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how to get it to you.
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But right now, I want to know that we
are capping it at four. I don't want
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nebulous thing out there that we're
supposedly supposed to do. It's not
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nebulous. I don't want you to pass your
agreement. I am very serious about this.
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Well, I tell you, you're going to be
very serious when you sit in a women's
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prison for murdering.
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When you sit in a women's prison for
murder, you know, you're going to be
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sad.
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No, you're going to be in prison for
murder.
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We listened to those tapes over and over
again, and we tried to come up with
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alternative theories to explain why
these two people told each other you
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be in prison for murder.
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And, you know, there's just no other
reasonable alternative explanation.
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for those conversations.
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I helped you on something that was, you
know, beyond what anybody else in the
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world would probably do.
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And I think that deserves some
consideration.
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Since you're living off the benefits of
it, you know.
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The emails, the FedEx connection, the
banking transactions, the phone calls,
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becomes so obvious.
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I can't put Ron Young at the murder
scene. I can't put Pam Phillips at the
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murder scene. I can't show either one of
them making the device.
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But when you look at all that
circumstantial evidence, this all
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On October 16, 2008, Young and Phillips
are indicted for first -degree murder.
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Next on American Greed.
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Taking down Pam might be harder than
they thought. She's gone, and we don't
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if we can ever find her again.
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What else did Ron Young and Pam Phillips
talk about?
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Pam Phillips is under indictment for the
1996 murder of her ex -husband, Gary
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Triano. But she's living openly here, on
the shores of Lake Lugano in
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Switzerland, where she has been trying
to escape the past.
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Pam had gone to visit her daughter, who
was going to college in Lugano,
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Switzerland. She started dating a rather
wealthy man there, which, in my
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opinion, gave her reason to stay.
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Phillips might feel safe in the country
famous for its neutrality.
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That's because Switzerland, like many
European countries, will not extradite
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suspects who could face the death
penalty.
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Then they made the announcement that we
were dropping the death penalty.
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Unfortunately, that was made publicly,
so Pam got the clue to run.
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So when the police in Switzerland went
to the hotel room where we knew she was
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staying, she was gone.
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U .S. authorities work with Swiss police
to try to get Pam back to the States.
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Meanwhile, nearly 6 ,000 miles away in
Tucson, Arizona, Ron Young stands trial,
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accused of conspiring with Pam to kill
Triano.
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The prosecution's case rests squarely on
the audio recordings between Young and
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Phillips that Ron Young himself recorded
and saved.
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In an exclusive interview with American
Greed, Young claims that he can explain
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everything.
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I'm absolutely innocent. I did not
participate, did not plan. I never heard
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Pamela discuss anything like this.
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Absolutely, completely, 100 % innocent.
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Young says he left Aspen in 1996 on a
long driving vacation with his son, not
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because he was fleeing fraud charges.
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And then once he found out he was
charged, the only reason he didn't go
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Aspen is because he thought it wasn't
that big a deal.
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As far as how smart any of this was, it
was incredibly stupid.
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I had never been in trouble with the
law, so I had absolutely no experience
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the police or criminal activity.
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I figured it would go away, and I just
ignored it.
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As it turned out...
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Eventually, it came back and kicked me
in the hind end.
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As for the $2 million Phillips and Young
discussed in the audio tapes, Young
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claims that figure has nothing to do
with Triano's life insurance payoff.
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He says it's $2 million of equity Pam
has tied up in a San Diego real estate
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development, a portion of which he
believes is owed to him.
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I played lawyer. I played accountant.
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typically a financial advisor, business
consultant.
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What I had done is saved her a fortune
in professional fees.
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As much as the defense tried to suggest
that there were innocent reasons for
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these conversations taking place, I
think that when you listen to their
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I think it's very clear they're talking
about the murder.
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Though they have no direct evidence
tying Ron Young to the crime scene,
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detectives can place the Aspen -based
businessman in Tucson.
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We had no eyewitnesses who saw Ron Young
in the parking lot that day.
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However, we did have Ron Young here in
Tucson in July before the murder on an
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assumed name for over two weeks.
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I felt that that was strong
circumstantial evidence that he was here
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and find out which would be the best way
to kill Gary Triana.
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Will the jury see it the same way?
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In March 2010, Young awaits the verdict.
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I was
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in shock. Just totally in shock because
I allowed myself to...
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Six weeks later, the judge sentences
Young to two consecutive life sentences.
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00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:11,700
Now,
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00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:19,520
Tucson authorities need to find Pam
Phillips, who is somewhere in Europe, so
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00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,940
can have her day in court.
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00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,740
Between Interpol and the police in
Geneva, the criminal brigade, they did a
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00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:32,660
of work and they tracked her to
Liechtenstein and then into Vienna.
442
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,940
And then the police in Vienna arrested
her on our arrest warrant.
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00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:45,840
In July 2010, Pam Phillips lands at the
Tucson airport.
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00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:51,440
Now 53 years old, She appears worn and
tired from her journey.
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00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,740
KVOA reporter Lupita Murillo is there to
try to get answers.
446
00:33:57,260 --> 00:34:01,740
Your reaction, Pam, to what
investigators say, that you hired Ronald
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00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:05,100
kill your ex -husband, what's your
reaction to that for the insurance
448
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:05,679
that true?
449
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,840
Never said a word. Just kept looking
straight ahead.
450
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:17,159
The only thing she said to me as she got
into the squad car was,
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00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:18,790
It's rather warm here.
452
00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:21,850
Well, it got a lot hotter after that.
453
00:34:22,350 --> 00:34:27,370
Phillips is booked on charges of murder
and conspiracy to commit murder.
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00:34:29,010 --> 00:34:33,590
Next on American Greed, Phillips'
defense team says it has new evidence.
455
00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:35,409
Will it set her free?
456
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:39,370
We found trace DNA, and it excluded
Ronald Young, the person that the
457
00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:42,489
prosecution said built the bomb and
killed Gary Triano for Pam.
458
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:44,389
That's reasonable doubt right there.
459
00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:04,900
Brought back to Arizona from
Switzerland, Pamela Phillips pleads not
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00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,100
the charges of murdering her husband,
Gary Triano, for insurance money.
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00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:14,360
And on February 18, 2014, Phillips'
trial begins.
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00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:21,500
The prosecution builds its case upon
money, greed, and audio tape. It's a
463
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:25,700
circumstantial case that the defense
team attempts to pick apart.
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00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:30,930
proved at trial, and the only thing they
proved, that there was a connection
465
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:34,990
between Ronald Young and Pam Phillips,
and it was a financial connection.
466
00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:36,430
That's all they proved.
467
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:39,690
That doesn't prove that they had
anything to do with the murder.
468
00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:45,610
Pam Phillips' defense attorneys, Alicia
Katah and Paul Eckestrom, say that Pam
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00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:49,930
wasn't even paying the premiums on the
life insurance policy, that another
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00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:54,190
friend had offered to take over the
monthly payments because Pam was in
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00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:55,290
financial straits.
472
00:35:56,060 --> 00:36:00,300
And the month before Gary's murder, she
forgot to make the payment.
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00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,400
If you're going to kill somebody for the
insurance money, aren't you going to
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00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,500
make sure that the premiums are paid and
the insurance is all up to date and
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00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:14,280
that you will get the money if this
happens? And that didn't happen with
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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,580
Over the course of working with Pam
Phillips, Eckstrom and Katah become true
477
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:21,040
believers in her innocence.
478
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,760
The evidence you're going to hear is
going to convince you now that my client
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00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,960
is... but that Ron Young is innocent.
480
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:33,520
We felt that we had to do a thorough
investigation to build a case that
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00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,240
else did it. And we basically, I think,
solved the case.
482
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:41,820
The defense team orders new tests on the
pipe bomb fragments that killed Gary
483
00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:45,620
Triano and are able to acquire trace
amounts of DNA.
484
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,060
And it excluded Ronald Young, the person
that the prosecution said built the
485
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:52,020
bomb and killed Gary Triano for Pam.
486
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,700
He was excluded.
487
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:55,710
from the trace DNA that we found.
488
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:58,250
That's reasonable doubt right there.
489
00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:03,510
The defense team then takes it even
further, presenting an alternate
490
00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:09,390
Well, there's an individual named Neil
McNeese who Gary Triano had ripped off
491
00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:14,230
for about $80 ,000 and was very angry at
Gary for doing that. And he was a
492
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:20,930
heroin addict. He was a trust baby. He
had a lot of money and had this
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00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:22,250
thing about...
494
00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:27,290
Gary because of the fact that Gary
filked him out of $80 ,000.
495
00:37:27,550 --> 00:37:31,730
And I think ultimately it was him who
had ordered this to happen, had a hit
496
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:35,070
put together, and had a friend of his
build the bomb that killed Gary.
497
00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:38,830
And we were able to identify all those
people.
498
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:45,570
At trial, McNeese's private doctor,
Lawrence D 'Antonio, testifies that he
499
00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:49,210
McNeese threaten to kill Gary Triano on
several occasions.
500
00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:52,270
What did he say about Gary Triano during
his period time?
501
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:53,700
He wanted to kill him.
502
00:37:53,900 --> 00:38:00,300
But the problem is, Neil McNeese died of
a drug overdose in 2002, and he was
503
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,540
never investigated by Tucson police.
504
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,420
As with any investigation, you go back
and look at it over time, and there's
505
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:10,700
always things that could have been done
either differently, or should have been
506
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:15,520
done differently, or leads that could
have been pursued, and for whatever
507
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,640
reason, or not.
508
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:20,740
And the defense went to great lengths to
investigate Mr. McNeese.
509
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,900
And the best they could come up with is
that he didn't like Gary Triano.
510
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,020
He had a friend who knew about remote
-controlled cars, and he told people
511
00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:36,380
he would like to kill Gary Triano. But
that was over a debt over a ring.
512
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,140
But when you look at that, the debt over
the ring occurred in 1991.
513
00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:45,300
He waited until 1996 to have him killed.
514
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,980
Prosecutor Rick Unclesby points to the
money trail.
515
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,540
and says greed is on both ends of it.
516
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:58,020
The 44 cash payments from Pam Phillips
to Ron Young made over the course of 10
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00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:01,260
years total more than $400 ,000.
518
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:07,500
But the prosecutor has one more bit of
evidence, and it proves to be a
519
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:14,280
bombshell. He calls to the stand Pam's
former close friend, Laura Chapman. She
520
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,440
testified that Gary had been over to
Pam's house.
521
00:39:18,970 --> 00:39:19,970
They'd had a fight.
522
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:26,010
Gary pulled a gun to Pam Phillips,
threatened her. He left. She called her
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00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:31,730
friends. They came over. They were
consoling her. And that's when she said
524
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:34,450
is a $2 million insurance policy.
525
00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:39,910
She said that she should just hire a
hitman, have him taken out.
526
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:45,770
A few years later, Chapman is driving
home when she sees smoke in the Tucson
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00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:49,080
foothills. and learns about Gary
Triano's death.
528
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:54,240
Pam's earlier talk about hiring a hitman
now echoes in her mind.
529
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,060
I remember saying, oh my gosh, she
really did it.
530
00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:01,340
I think that was the nail in the coffin,
so to speak.
531
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:05,960
At the end of the seven -week trial, the
jury has heard from more than 100
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00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,140
witnesses, and they have two completely
different theories on who killed Gary
533
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:12,520
Triano and why.
534
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,480
What will they decide?
535
00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:21,870
On April 8, 2014, Pam Phillips waits to
hear her verdict.
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00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:26,630
Do you find the defendant, Pamela Ann
Phillips, guilty of first -degree murder
537
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:28,310
as alleged in count to the indictment?
538
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:36,450
On May 22, 2014, Phillips is brought
into the courtroom shackled to await her
539
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:41,950
fate. She has traded her designer
clothes for a state -issued orange
540
00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:44,730
The judge sentences her.
541
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,940
to natural life in prison without the
possibility of parole.
542
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,440
Upon hearing her sentence, Phillips
stands and addresses the court.
543
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:57,920
I just want everybody to know that I am
innocent.
544
00:40:58,140 --> 00:40:59,260
I am innocent.
545
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,600
I am innocent.
546
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,180
Okay? And I'm really, really... This is
hard. So hard for me. It's a nightmare.
547
00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:07,980
This is a nightmare.
548
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,520
I've never had somebody where I went to
trial thinking that they were innocent
549
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,820
lose a trial.
550
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:15,370
And this one she did.
551
00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:19,670
And it wasn't just I thought she was
innocent. This one I was absolutely
552
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:22,310
convinced she was innocent from the
evidence that we had dug up.
553
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:27,290
Both Phillips and Ron Young are
appealing their convictions.
554
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:34,330
But author Carrie Drobin says she
believes justice has been served.
555
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:39,210
It's really a story about two
sociopaths.
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00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,680
They didn't have empathy for people.
They knew how to manipulate people. They
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00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:50,140
had one goal in mind, and that was to
satiate their hunger, to have money, and
558
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:51,140
to have more of it.
559
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,760
And that is the quintessential element
of being a sociopath, that you just
560
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,940
have no remorse, no empathy whatsoever,
that you have just murdered the father
561
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:05,960
of your children in such a heinous way.
562
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:12,380
Gary Triano's good friend Rusty Sands
also has no doubt that Pam Phillips is
563
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:13,740
right where she belongs.
564
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,020
She's going to live the rest of her life
in a place that she's not used to.
565
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,980
She only likes to go to five -star
hotels. She wouldn't go to a four -star
566
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:25,040
hotel. Well, she's not in a hotel
anymore.
567
00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:31,360
And I think she's going to live the rest
of her life out a very, very sad life.
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00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:40,840
Next, a hometown hero builds a scam on
fake deals and bogus contracts until his
569
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,320
accomplice turns snitch. American Greed,
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