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In this episode of American Greed,
locked up in a federal prison for
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fraud, Perry Griggs shouldn't be a
threat anymore.
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Eight years in prison's a long time.
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I didn't think that we'd hear from him
again.
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But this is no ordinary con man.
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This prisoner is prospering with a new
scheme.
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From inside the prison wall, he was able
to convince people he was a millionaire
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commodities trader and have them invest
their money with a man in jail.
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And before anyone is on to his scam,
Griggs gets released.
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Perry had left in a hurry, so this
became an active fugitive investigation.
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Leaving his victims with nothing.
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Our property is taken illegally.
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This actually rips the soul.
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January 2010.
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FBI agent Tom Simon is just back in the
office after the holidays when he begins
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fielding several calls from panicked
investors.
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So my phone starts ringing at the FBI
office in Honolulu from people telling
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they had lost money because they had
invested with someone who was sitting in
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federal prison.
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I'm on the phone. I'm like, what? Tell
me that again? You invested money with a
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man and sitting in federal prison? Tell
me why you thought that was a good idea.
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From there the story began to unfold.
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In order to understand how 48 -year -old
prisoner Perry Griggs is able to
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operate a phony commodities trading
company from behind bars, one has to
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understand how he got there in the first
place.
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In 2000, Perry and Rochelle Griggs
appear to be a successful couple living
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good life.
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With Perry making a killing in
commodities trading.
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At least, that's the story they tell
everyone at the famed PGA West community
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La Quinta, California, where the Griggs
have recently moved into a high -end
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home.
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As soon as you walk through the front
gates, you get the sense of people here
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have money.
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Perry did his homework, and he
researched that, and he knew.
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The potential pot of gold.
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Landscape of all the homes.
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Beautiful community.
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Former Secret Service agent John Waugh
investigates Perry Griggs in the early
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2000s.
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Perry was a very good golfer.
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And people thought that this must be a
country club guy. This is a guy who's
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probably born with a silver spoon in his
mouth and has grown up in this culture.
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And so he was easy to be trusted.
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But the Griggs are not really the power
couple they claim to be.
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And this is all deceit by design.
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Perry Griggs is really an ex -con, whose
resume includes turning a flooring
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company into a criminal enterprise at
the age of 28.
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Perry had been convicted up in the state
of Washington for a Ponzi scam, where
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he got friends and neighbors and family
members of friends and neighbors
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flooring company, and he never invested
any money in the flooring company. He
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used it all for his personal gain.
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In 1989, Griggs is sentenced to three
years in a Washington state prison.
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While there, he does not find
rehabilitation, but he does find love.
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Rochelle Rutledge is a young single mom
who sometimes accompanies her minister
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mother on visits to the prison.
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She falls for the charming inmate.
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and the two are married in 1992.
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But instead of starting over as a
straight -laced family man,
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Perry Griggs gets out of prison and
begins teeing up his next set of victims
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the PGA West golf community.
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They're very believable. They look like
they're very much in love, and they've
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got this happy little family, and that
he has retired young, living in a
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community. It's very believable that he
must have made his money somewhere.
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Charming and gregarious, the Griggs both
cultivate relationships with their
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wealthy neighbors.
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He would invite them to his home and,
you know, wine them and dine them with
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bottles of Cristal champagne and filet
mignon.
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When Perry Griggs begins talking about
an investment opportunity that is making
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him big bucks, his friends want to know
more.
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Griggs claims that he has a reliable
inside track on Brazilian coffee
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and that he can double and possibly even
triple their money in just 60 to 90
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days.
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These were neighbors, close personal
friends, and even the wife was involved,
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bragging about how good business was.
She called him her coffee man
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and her commodities man. She was very
happy and told everyone they had more
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money than they could ever use in their
life, and they wanted to get other
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people involved in this great
investment.
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Word among Griggs' friends quickly
spreads.
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And soon, Griggs is taking in millions
from more than 50 investors, promising
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he can brew them a pot of gold.
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For a while, everyone is happy, and bank
statements are showing their money
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growing and growing.
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Meanwhile, Perry and Rochelle Griggs are
living larger and larger.
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spending weeks at a time vacationing at
the exclusive Hotel del Coronado,
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golfing almost daily, and eventually
moving into a home on luxurious Coronado
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Island.
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Jim Truesdale is also an avid Coronado
golfer who meets Perry Griggs on the
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links. Ended up getting paired with him
here at Coronado, and we played with him
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and enjoyed ourselves with him and
invited him to play again and got to
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played about two to three times a week.
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He was a very sociable guy, very good
-looking, nice family.
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Truesdale and his other buddies have to
schedule their tea times around work,
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but Perry seems to be free any day, any
time.
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and can be found on the course most
afternoons.
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We assumed he made a lot of money and
was retired here and living, and he led
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to believe that until one day we asked
him, what do you do exactly? And he
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I buy and sell coffee futures.
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Truesdale's friend is intrigued by
Perry's line of work and asks if he can
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invest, but Perry plays coy.
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He said, I'm not taking any new
customers at this time, and my buddy
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Quite a salesman said, let me invest a
little bit of money, will you? I've
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always heard that's been very successful
for some folks, and he basically set
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the hook in my buddy and reeled him in.
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Soon enough, the friend hands over $150
,000 and can't believe his good
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fortune.
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He was receiving statements every two or
three days, and there's a way you can
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look coffee bean futures up on the
exchange, and he knew he was just making
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quicker than he could give him money.
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But risky commodities trading is not
Truesdale's thing.
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He's a builder, and he's in the middle
of a big development deal.
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He mentions to Perry that he's waiting
on a $500 ,000 bank loan to come
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I explained that the bank was dragging
their fee. There were so many loan
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applications, and it was just taking
time for me to get my money. And he
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I'll be glad to give you the money.
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I said, what kind of interest rates are
you going to charge me? And he says, I
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won't charge you any interest.
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I'll just, when you get your loan, you
can pay me back.
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And he gave me a check for over a
quarter of a million dollars.
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According to Griggs, there is just one
small holdup.
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He explained that he had just sold a
bunch of coffee futures down in Brazil
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that it takes about 10 days for the
check.
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He asked me if I would wait about 10
days to deposit it.
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A week later, Perry Griggs shows up at
Truesdale's home.
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He came to me on a Friday afternoon real
late one day and explained that he
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needed some money. He was going to Las
Vegas and asked if I could run to my
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and get him some cash.
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You know, the gentleman was giving me
over a quarter of a million dollars. I
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figured the least I could do was advance
him some money to save him, you know,
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having to go to his bank and it be
closed or something.
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Truesdale hands him $25 ,000, cash.
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A few days later, Truesdale finds out
the check for $350 ,000 Perry gave him
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no good.
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He's livid.
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He races to Perry's house.
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I just said, Terry, I want my money. I
said, you took my $25 ,000 and I want my
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money and I want it now.
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And he said, I don't have your money.
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He would not open the door.
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All the shouting was done through the
door. He was standing behind his wife
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entire time.
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Jim Truesdale is out $25 ,000 and he's
the lucky one.
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His friend doesn't fare so well and
never sees his $150 ,000 again.
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Next on American Greed, federal agents
come knocking on Perry Griggs' door.
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He was very shocked. He thought that
this was all just a big
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In 2001, Riverside, California, Secret
Service agents are working a case on 40
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-year -old Perry Griggs.
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Griggs was targeting victims, trying to
get them to buy phony coffee
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commodity futures.
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And he had somebody in Brazil that had
inside information, and it looked like
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was phony, so we got involved.
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In less than three years, Griggs takes
in more than $4 million from friends and
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neighbors in Southern California.
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People who think they are handing over
their life savings to a trusted member
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the community.
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The single largest investor is a
California dentist, a neighbor of
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for more than $850 ,000.
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He has no clue about where his money is
really going.
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Looking through the bank records, there
was not one instance where he tried to
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invest anyone's money.
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It was all for personal use.
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He was buying many things that we had to
seize, diamonds, high -end jewelry,
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furniture, cars, things like that.
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In December 2001,
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Secret Service agents arrive at Perry
and Rochelle Griggs' Coronado Island
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to execute a search and seizure warrant.
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We set up and knocked on the door, and
Perry had opened the door. Rochelle was
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right behind him.
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We announced who we were and what we
were there to do.
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He was very shocked. He had no idea that
federal agents and police were going to
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be raiding his house.
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And we said we have a court order from a
judge to search your residence, and he
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insisted that this was all just a big
misunderstanding.
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As agents search the home, Perry Griggs
is full of bravado.
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He was pretty belligerent. He didn't
want to let us in, and he was going to
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contact his lawyer, and he wanted all of
our names and badge numbers, and was
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trying to be intimidating in that way.
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Agents are not deterred.
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But after hours of meticulous searching,
The house yields little in the way of
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evidence.
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There is, however, one last luxury
vehicle they haven't searched.
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Perry's Lexus SUV.
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So we asked him for the keys to his
vehicle, and he said, absolutely not,
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not getting inside my vehicle.
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And we told him that we had an order to
search the vehicles that were on the
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property, and that Lexus SUV is on his
property, and that's what we're going to
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search.
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He reluctantly gave us the keys. Then we
searched the compartment that holds the
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spare tire.
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There was where we found the mother load
of documents.
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All of the bank statements that Perry
had created in the victim's name showing
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that they had millions of dollars in
their account.
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Obviously, that was not true.
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Once we walked back into the house and
showed him the papers, his attitude
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changed 180 degrees.
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Perry Griggs knows he's caught.
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and immediately starts playing the role
of Mr. Nice Guy.
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Now, he wanted to come clean.
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He wanted to come clean. He wanted to
confess.
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He was very, very sorry, but I think he
was more sorry for getting caught than
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he was for actually ruining anybody's
life.
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Subsequent interviews with Perry Griggs
reveal a con man so good, it's scary.
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I could see myself...
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befriending him, I could see myself
trusting him.
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Being an agent, you always lead into
things with a skeptical mind.
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He tried to pour on the sincere persona.
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And if I didn't know any better, if I
was an unsuspecting person, if I wasn't
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trained and I hadn't worked cases like
this in the past, I could see myself,
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know, being lured in.
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Perry Griggs agrees to plead guilty to
four counts of wire fraud and money
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laundering. If Rochelle is not charged,
he gets hit with an eight -year prison
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sentence. But Agent Waugh believes there
were two people at work.
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In my mind, there's no way she could not
have known what was going on. He didn't
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work. She didn't work. They spent all of
their time together.
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Where else could this source of income
have been coming in from?
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With Perry Griggs caught,
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His victims are left financially
devastated, holding on to the hope that
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will get some of their money back.
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We were able to see some items,
including diamond bracelets and Rolex
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golf cart, furniture, household
furnishings, but it was pennies on the
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compared to what they stole.
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When American Greed returns, with Perry
Griggs shipped off to prison, agents
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think he's finally done in.
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But his biggest crime is yet to come.
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I didn't think that we'd hear from him
again. I was shocked.
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In October 2003,
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Perry Griggs steps into a low -security
federal prison camp on Nellis Air Force
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Base in Nevada.
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convicted of bilking more than $4
million from at least 50 victims.
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But from day one, he presents himself as
someone else, someone whose only
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crime is not paying his taxes.
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Perry told the other prisoners at Nellis
that he was serving time in federal
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prison for tax fraud and that he was a
multimillionaire commodities trader when
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he was on the outside.
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Griggs happens to be housed in a Nevada
unit with more than 100 inmates from the
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Hawaiian Islands, mostly unsophisticated
criminals in on drug charges.
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They weren't coming from places where
they knew multimillionaire commodities
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traders, so the idea of meeting someone
like Perry Griggs, who was that
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impressive, just really bowled them
over.
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He subscribed to magazines like the Rob
Report for the affluent lifestyle and
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Cigar Aficionado, Barron's and Forbes to
make it seem as if he was a man from
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the world of high finance.
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Griggs regales his new prison buddies
with stories of a high rollers
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Perry even bribes his work camp
supervisor to look the other way as his
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Rochelle smuggles in contraband food,
cigars, beers.
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even cell phones and a laptop computer,
all this adding to his allure.
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He then sets up a company in Rochelle's
name called Aloha Trading and begins to
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convince the inmates that they can also
get rich.
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From talking to the prisoners from
Hawaii, Perry understood that Hawaii is
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incredibly expensive place to live. The
people who live here don't have giant
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stacks of money sitting in their bank
accounts.
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What many of them do have, though, are
houses that have been in their families
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for generations.
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and many of these houses did not have a
mortgage on it.
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Perry saw that as an opportunity for
these people to use their homes as an
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get the cash out, so they could give it
to Perry and Rochelle ostensibly to
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invest in commodities.
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With Perry stuck on the inside, Rochelle
becomes the face of Aloha Trading,
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shuttling back and forth from her home
in Las Vegas to Hawaii, the conduit of
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cash for Perry's scheme.
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And in one year, Several inmates, their
relatives, and friends take equity out
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of their Hawaiian properties and hand
over a total of nearly $2 million to
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Rochelle under the expectation that
Perry would be investing it. The pitch
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that Perry and Rochelle would pay the
mortgage for these folks back in Hawaii
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for five years, and at the conclusion of
five years, they would pay off that
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mortgage and then give the victims'
families $1 to $3 million cash.
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It's not long before word begins to
spread in the small island communities
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an investment opportunity that claims to
turn local people into millionaires.
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Now, Haya Colton is a Honolulu
housewife.
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and devout Catholic who runs a rosary
group that's been meeting every week for
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more than 30 years.
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This prayer group has helped so many
people, and I just don't want to stop
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praying.
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When friends and family in the rosary
group start telling Nohea about an
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investment opportunity they are part of,
she wants to know more.
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When they told me about it, doing
investment, that's how the rich people
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They take money from, let's say, their
house, and then they put it in
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in stock markets and all that. So it
sounded good.
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Colton is soon introduced to Rochelle
Griggs, the kind -hearted woman whose
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husband is supposedly an investment
guru.
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She seems so...
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sincere and constantly praising God and
saying, Jesus is going to take care of
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us, and it was just sweet, and she
always addressed me as Auntie Nohea,
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addressed me as that.
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So I really thought they were really
good people.
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Colton decides she wants in on the
investment, but she and her husband have
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little in the way of savings. What they
do have is a piece of prime real estate.
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This is where I was born and raised.
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This is Kuleo Valley.
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I think it's the smallest valley on this
island.
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Colton is one of 14 brothers and sisters
born and raised in this valley, 20
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minutes from Waikiki Beach on the island
of Oahu.
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Her roots here run deep and wide.
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Queen Liliuokalani gave to my
grandmother property here in Kuleo, and
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lot of family here.
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There's about 150 homes that are
relatives.
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For 20 years, Nahea and her husband Dan
lived elsewhere.
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But Nahea always dreamed of coming home.
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This is the home that my grandfather
built.
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And it took many, many years for me to
get enough money to buy
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where my roots come from, Kulio 'o.
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And I just love it.
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In 1995, the Coltons paid $455 ,000 for
this house on a
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29 ,000 -square -foot lot, a parcel of
land that had previously been in her
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family for 100 years.
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It's an old, old shack.
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And it's a teardown, but I love it.
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And I don't want to see it go.
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Today, the property is estimated to be
worth more than $1 million.
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But to Nohea Colton, living on her
ancestral land is priceless.
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And when Rochelle Griggs offers her a
way to keep the land, fix it up, and
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a tenfold return on her investment, the
66 -year -old grandmother is excited to
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discuss the plan with her electrician
husband, Dan Colton.
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I said, oh, Dan.
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I met this lady, and we're going to be
able to pay off the house loan.
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We'll be able to fix up the place so
it's more livable and get rid of all
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termites in the house.
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I said, Dan, at least then we can
breathe and live life.
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I told her off the top, I said, you
know, it sounds too good to be true.
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So I said, well, I said, you might be
messing with our retirement.
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Nohea tells Dan that many of their
friends and family have already invested
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are doing well.
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And so I went along, not 100 % willing,
but...
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If it plays out, it plays out.
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A little wishing to, you know.
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The Coltons take $600 ,000 in equity out
of their property and give it to
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Rochelle Griggs.
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I thought I made a wonderful decision,
and I was really upbeat.
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I said, oh, boy, I'm going to be a
millionaire.
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Really stupid, but I did.
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In all honesty, I did.
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For just over two years, Rochelle pays
Nohea's mortgage every month and assures
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her that everything is going as planned.
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But back in a mainland federal prison,
Perry Griggs is living up his role as a
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power player.
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With access to Rochelle's accounts, even
though he has no financial background,
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Griggs actually tries his hand at
trading commodities.
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and quickly loses more than $600 ,000.
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When American Greed returns,
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Perry Griggs' latest scam cuts a deep
path of ruin.
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That really hurt me for him to do it to
so many of my sisters and I and cousins.
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And devastates one of Hawaii's oldest
families.
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And then I started to go, oh my God,
what are we going to do?
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We're in Hawaii Lower Ridge, which is
the most expensive neighborhood in all
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Oahu. It's got beautiful views. The
houses here are all mansions by Hawaii
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standards. And the people who live here
are the ultra, ultra rich of Honolulu.
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This home is where Rochelle Griggs lives
during her frequent visits to Hawaii
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and where she meets with investors in
her husband Perry's phony commodities
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trading company.
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She rented it to create the image of
someone who had extreme success.
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She took the time to lease a BMW while
she was here also for the same reason.
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Rochelle was a girl next door with
extremely good taste. She always had
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nice jewelry and purses and clothing.
But she didn't have that ostentatious
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nature about her.
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Rochelle has her Hawaiian investors
fooled.
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But she also has a problem.
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She's running out of money.
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And the scheme is on the brink of
collapse.
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Rochelle has no real connection to the
islands.
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and limited contacts for bringing in
more cash.
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Perry is no help. He's sitting in a
federal penitentiary, calling the shots.
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And in order to keep the deal going, he
needs more investors.
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They were running out of ideas, and then
their prayers were answered in the name
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of a Hawaiian woman by the name of Kapua
Keolanui.
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Kapua Keolanui is a flight attendant
from Hawaii whose husband is locked up
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Perry Griggs.
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During her frequent visits to the
prison, she meets Rochelle and Perry,
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begin courting her as a business
partner.
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Everyone liked Kapua. She was sweet, she
was a church -going woman, she was a
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family person.
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She was the type of person that you
would trust and the last person in the
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you'd ever expect to get involved in a
multi -million dollar Ponzi scheme.
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Kapua believes in Perry's ability to
guarantee profits, and she agrees to
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with the Griggs.
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With the encouragement of Perry and
Rochelle, Kapua went to her friends and
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family members in Hawaii and told them
that she had been touched by Jesus
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himself, who had bestowed upon her the
ability to trade commodities at high
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profit. What she wasn't telling them is
that her business partner was not in
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fact Jesus, but was a man sitting in
federal prison for operating a Ponzi
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scheme.
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Kapua's reputation as a religious,
hardworking mother is not lost on Nanife
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Paglinawan.
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I met her here in Honolulu several
times.
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We went and had coffee, and all good.
You know, she had her children, and
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I bid again hook, line, and sinker. I
did.
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We wanted to invest but didn't know how
to invest. That wasn't our expertise.
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And it sounded convincing, and because
there were family members that were
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involved, I had a tendency to believe it
even more.
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Nani Faye and her husband live on his
family's land, which has been passed
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from his mother and has no mortgage.
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The house and the land that we're on, my
husband was raised on, and my children
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were raised on that property.
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And I was hoping to pass it on to them.
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The Paklinawans take out $600 ,000 in
equity from the property and invest it
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with Kapua and Rochelle.
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For more than a year, Nanife is
optimistic about her family's future.
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Kapua is paying the new mortgage, and
Nanife is awaiting the million -dollar
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payout. promised to her at the end of
five years.
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I didn't need a gazillion dollars. I
wasn't asking for that much, just for
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basic, especially for my grandkids that
I didn't have to.
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You know, nobody wants to have them work
as hard as you do. You want it to get
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easier and easier.
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From investors like Nani Faye and her
own friends and family, Kapua is able to
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collect more than $1 million.
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most of which is going directly to Perry
and Rochelle Griggs.
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Periodically, Perry and Rochelle would
wire transfer money to Kapua so she
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continue to make the mortgage payments
she had promised to her own investors.
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Now, Kapua did take a bit of the money
and put it in her pocket, but the lion's
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share of the money she thought she was
investing with Perry Griggs' commodities
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trading abilities.
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With Kapua as a partner, the Griggs are
once again flush with cash.
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But only Rochelle is living a life of
luxury.
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Poor Perry can't enjoy any of the spoils
from inside prison.
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So when it's time for a routine transfer
by Greyhound bus from one low -security
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prison facility to another, Perry and
Rochelle see a chance to live it up.
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So the prison van dropped Perry off at
the bus station. When the coast was
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clear, Rochelle arrived and took Perry
in the rental car to an airstrip where
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there was a rented Learjet waiting.
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The couple pops the bubbly on board and
takes off on a whirlwind escape.
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They spend the weekend partying in Las
Vegas.
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And then the jet drops Perry off at his
final destination with no one the wiser.
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And when the Bureau of Prisons arrived
at the bus stop to pick up Perry, they
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had no idea that he had just spent a
weekend having fun in Las Vegas and
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around the country in a Learjet.
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At the new prison in Lompoc, California,
Perry sets about making it as
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comfortable as possible for himself.
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00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,340
So Perry and Rochelle once again decide
to bribe Perry's work crew boss. They
427
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:06,460
actually made a $5 ,000 down payment to
get the guy a new truck.
428
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:10,760
This provided Perry with an opportunity
to, again, have a cell phone, a
429
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,620
computer, food, beer, cigars while
inside prison walls.
430
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:20,380
And since he can't bear to be separated
from Rochelle, Perry works her way
431
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:21,640
around that as well.
432
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,700
Perry wasn't going to let incarceration
even get in the way of his sex life. He
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00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:29,840
bribed somebody to actually take him off
prison grounds to a motel where he and
434
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,900
Rochelle could enjoy each other's
company for a while.
435
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Next on American Greed.
436
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,980
With his Ponzi scheme going strong from
behind bars, Perry Griggs is about to
437
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:44,260
get released before his victims realize
they've been had.
438
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:47,580
I spent the entire year trying to piece
together this fraud.
439
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Meanwhile, the mystery remained, where
the heck are Perry and Rochelle Griggs?
440
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,020
For more information on Perry Griggs'
life behind bars, go to AmericanGreed
441
00:31:56,020 --> 00:32:00,800
.CNBC .com and follow us on Twitter at
AmericanGreedTV.
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00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,200
We'll be right back.
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00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:17,700
In September 2009, Perry Griggs is
released from federal prison, and he and
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00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:23,120
wife Rochelle move to a high -end home
in Las Vegas, all funded by the
445
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,420
multimillion -dollar Ponzi scheme he's
been orchestrating from behind bars.
446
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:31,300
The problem is, though, at this point,
new investors were not coming in the
447
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:34,780
door, and Perry and Rochelle were living
the good life and running out of money.
448
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Nani Faye Paglinawan has $600 ,000 in
equity from her property invested with
449
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,980
Griggs and their partner, Kapua Keola
Nui.
450
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:47,900
And she wants to know where the money
is.
451
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,000
In the beginning, there was always a
fast response.
452
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,280
And then it just got longer and longer.
453
00:32:54,700 --> 00:33:01,520
They just started fading out and stopped
answering my emails or my phone calls.
454
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,800
And then I started to hear from my
sister and other people, did you hear
455
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:08,920
did you hear that?
456
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,660
For a while, Kapua and Perry Griggs were
able to make those monthly payments to
457
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:15,399
their victims.
458
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,260
At some point, though, when there's no
new victims coming in the door, every
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00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:22,120
Ponzi scheme is going to collapse, and
that's what happened with this case.
460
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:29,540
Word of trouble spreads quickly through
the ranks of investors.
461
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:36,220
many of whom are family members,
including Nanipe's younger sister, Nohea
462
00:33:36,220 --> 00:33:41,040
Colton. She says, something is wrong
here, Nohea. She's cheating us.
463
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:44,660
The house note isn't getting paid.
464
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,160
Then we all got wind of it, that, you
know, there's something wrong.
465
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:56,360
I bet he's lying, and then we all
started to, and then I started to go,
466
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,300
God, what are we going to do?
467
00:33:59,530 --> 00:34:03,210
So we have these furious investors on
our hands who are falling into
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00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:06,530
status on their mortgages because they
weren't getting paid by Perry, Rochelle,
469
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:09,909
and Kapua. They began calling the FBI
and looking for help.
470
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:16,190
Without a way to pay back their victims,
many of whom are ex -cons, Perry and
471
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:18,010
Rochelle make a run for it.
472
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:24,310
But their Hawaiian partner, Kapua, has
nowhere to go but to the feds.
473
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:28,170
I got a call from Kapua Kiolanui who
wanted to come in and tell me that she
474
00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:31,730
fallen under the spell of a man named
Perry Griggs and in turn had done some
475
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:32,850
very bad things herself.
476
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:40,170
Kapua agrees to work with the FBI,
helping to build a case against the
477
00:34:40,170 --> 00:34:45,130
and perhaps shift some of the burden
from her own shoulders.
478
00:34:45,949 --> 00:34:49,590
Kapua's investors were mostly her
friends and family members. A lot of
479
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:52,230
senior citizens who had a lack of
financial sophistication.
480
00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:56,469
The idea of Kapua stealing money from
these people was just unthinkable to
481
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:07,710
For 11 months, FBI agent Tom Simon
builds a white -collar crime case
482
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:08,710
Griggs.
483
00:35:08,830 --> 00:35:13,330
Only when he has their indictment in
hand does he ramp up the search effort.
484
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:17,590
The FBI had arranged to have billboards
showing the pictures of Perry and
485
00:35:17,590 --> 00:35:21,450
Rochelle Griggs with Wanted by the FBI
on them throughout the highways in the
486
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:22,450
United States.
487
00:35:22,460 --> 00:35:26,120
So in the fall of 2010, my phone was
ringing off the hook with well -meaning
488
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,180
people who swore they saw Perry and
Rochelle driving the other way down the
489
00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:30,180
highway.
490
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,660
But lead after lead ends up nowhere.
491
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:40,800
Until December 2010, when a tip comes
in, placing the Griggs in Arizona
492
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,880
and providing a possible cell phone
number.
493
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:46,360
But the number doesn't work.
494
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,140
So what I did was I used what I consider
to be a sophisticated investigative
495
00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:53,920
technique that I'm happy to share with
you today. I googled the phone number.
496
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,580
And when I googled it, the first thing
that came up was a Craigslist ad from
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00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:58,580
Kingman, Arizona.
498
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,520
We'll paint your house for cash.
499
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:01,820
Call this number.
500
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:11,380
Agents eventually tracked down the
location of the man who placed the ad to
501
00:36:11,380 --> 00:36:12,560
seedy rooming house.
502
00:36:13,610 --> 00:36:16,550
They believe he's really Perry Griggs.
503
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:21,590
Once they had the name of the rooming
house, the FBI agents in Kingman,
504
00:36:21,590 --> 00:36:25,510
stormed it and found Perry and Rochelle
hiding there and finally placed them
505
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:26,510
under arrest.
506
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:28,370
When American Greed returns,
507
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,430
the Griggs board a plane for Honolulu.
508
00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:34,930
But there is no luxury vacation in their
plans.
509
00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:38,130
This time, it's to face up to their
crimes.
510
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,960
and their victims.
511
00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:45,380
I wanted to have eye -to -eye contact,
and I said what I said. A rat is a rat
512
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:46,380
a rat.
513
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,860
In April 2011,
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00:37:04,170 --> 00:37:08,310
Perry Griggs pleads guilty to charges of
mail and wire fraud.
515
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:14,170
Griggs declined American Greed's request
for an interview, but his attorney,
516
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:17,350
John Shum, believes that Perry's heart
was in the right place.
517
00:37:17,850 --> 00:37:22,850
His intentions were to make money for
himself, to prove that he could actually
518
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:28,730
be a financial investor, to have a
legitimate business, and to help the
519
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:30,370
that he had offered to help.
520
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,000
He was trying to make their lives better
along with making his own life better.
521
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,340
But at his sentencing hearing, the judge
doesn't buy it.
522
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:45,940
He calls Perry Griggs a serial fraud
artist and one of the most blatant
523
00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:48,940
criminals he's seen in 24 years on the
bench.
524
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,320
He then allows victims to address Griggs
in the courtroom.
525
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Now, Hayek Colton looks right at the man
who stole $600 ,000.
526
00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:00,690
and possibly her home.
527
00:38:01,630 --> 00:38:06,450
I wanted to have eye -to -eye contact.
And I said what I said. He was a rat, is
528
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:10,810
a rat, is a rat. And his payment not
going to be here on earth. But when he
529
00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:12,350
dies, I feel sorry for him.
530
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:17,450
That's what I said. I really feel sorry
for you. And he looked at me and kept
531
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:19,610
saying he was sorry. And I said, you're
not sorry.
532
00:38:20,970 --> 00:38:23,190
And I refused to cry.
533
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:26,970
Because I told him he wasn't worth.
534
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,500
A penny worth of tears from me.
535
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:37,740
I'm a hardworking person. I've worked
all my life.
536
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,400
We had our children, and we really
believed him.
537
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,560
These victims felt so betrayed, and they
expressed that in the courtroom at the
538
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,560
sentencing, that they had trusted Kapua,
Rochelle, and Perry with their entire
539
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,740
life savings, with the homes that had
been in their families for generations,
540
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,380
and they just could not believe that
that trust had been violated so
541
00:38:59,860 --> 00:39:04,340
Griggs gets a seven -year prison
sentence, serving time in a special
542
00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:09,680
unit in Terre Haute, Indiana, with
limited supervised access to phone and
543
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,040
computer. The prison is known as
Guantanamo North.
544
00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:20,530
It's one of the highest security -level
federal institutions that I'm aware of.
545
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:25,670
He's housed with a lot of terrorists and
has very little contact with the
546
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:26,670
outside world.
547
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:31,790
For Perry Griggs, who spent years
bribing and conniving his way to special
548
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:37,430
privileges in the prison system, it is
perhaps bitter irony that a man who
549
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:41,970
seemingly talk his way into anything can
now talk to no one.
550
00:39:44,070 --> 00:39:50,130
Rochelle Griggs also pleads guilty to
mail and wire fraud and for her part
551
00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:51,370
a four -year sentence.
552
00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:58,150
Kapua Keolanui maintains that she is
also a victim of Perry Griggs.
553
00:39:59,070 --> 00:40:04,510
But since she knowingly lied to
investors, she is sentenced to three
554
00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:06,590
serves her time in prison in Oahu.
555
00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:14,240
For the victims whose lives have been
irreparably damaged by the Griggs'
556
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:16,960
there is little solace in justice.
557
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:22,360
Well, my trust factor is like nil, and I
don't trust anybody.
558
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:29,780
During this ordeal, Nani Faye Paglinawan
lost her husband of 35 years.
559
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:33,280
She believes that Perry, Rochelle, and
Kapua...
560
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:38,310
are partially responsible for the
extreme stress that may have contributed
561
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:39,310
his heart attack.
562
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:44,050
I do blame them, and I'm not going to
carry their burden.
563
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:48,970
They have to carry their own burden. I
don't want to carry their burden. It's
564
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:49,970
too heavy.
565
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:55,410
Today, Nani Faye's home and property are
in foreclosure.
566
00:40:55,910 --> 00:41:00,330
But this victim of greed prefers to
focus on the things she does have.
567
00:41:01,260 --> 00:41:03,520
I still have a lot to be grateful for.
568
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:07,500
You know, I can still work, but the
world is still good to me.
569
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:11,640
You know, I get to come and see my
daughter and my grandkids.
570
00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:18,020
I know that's basic.
571
00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:24,300
I'm so grateful for, you know, to be
alive.
572
00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:32,910
Nani Faye's younger sister, Nohea, and
her husband, Dan Colton, have managed to
573
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:35,310
hang on to their property for now.
574
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:40,210
I don't know how we can keep it. I mean,
the more I think about it, I don't know
575
00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:45,870
how, but God's will be done, period,
because it's only a place.
576
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:49,810
But I really don't want to lose this
place.
577
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:53,550
We're just surviving, my husband and I.
578
00:41:54,250 --> 00:42:00,690
Really, I feel rich, though. I got rich
with my grandkids and my sisters and
579
00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:04,150
brothers and nieces and nephews, and
that's all really I want.
580
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:13,250
As far as the money, the FBI says, there
are no secret accounts, no hidden
581
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:15,970
stash, nothing at all left to recover.
582
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:20,430
The FBI was unable to seize any money in
this case because by the time we
583
00:42:20,430 --> 00:42:22,450
learned about the fraud, it had all been
spent.
584
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:27,720
Several of the victims in this case
ended up losing their homes, homes that
585
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,040
been in their families for generations.
586
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:31,700
This was their legacy, and it was all
gone.
587
00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:36,820
For the Secret Service agent who put
Perry Griggs behind bars eight years
588
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:41,920
earlier, he believes that Griggs'
failure to stop his criminal activity is
589
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,280
sign that the man is unwilling to
change.
590
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,460
I would never bet money against Perry. I
think Perry's capable of continuing
591
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:50,420
this on until he's no longer on the
earth.
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