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In this episode of American Greed, in
Minnesota's Twin Cities, billionaire Tom
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Petters is the face of business success.
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He was a deal chaser and a deal maker,
you know. He was a mover and shaker. You
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couldn't hold Tom down.
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Eight million dollar house out in Lake
Minnetonka.
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I think the one at Palm Beach was $15
million.
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A local boy made good who never forgets
where he came from.
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We are a very caring company. That's one
of our core values. This is a hometown
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guy who cares about his hometown, who
cares about people losing their jobs.
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guy is the real deal, nothing to worry
about. There seemed to be no reason at
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all to suspect that something was awry.
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Everything about Petters is blue -chip,
or so it seems.
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His companies include iconic American
brand Polaroid, Sun Country Airlines,
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retailer Fingerhut. But Tom Petters'
reputation is built on a foundation of
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lies. His legitimate business is
purchased with dirty money.
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Petters wasn't really that smart.
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He wasn't really that good a
businessman.
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But he was a damn good confidant. And
when his closest confidant turns on him,
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the Tom Petters empire, all $3 .5
billion of it, begins to crumble.
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This is one big fraud.
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That's what it is, and that's how I deal
with it.
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Las Vegas, September 24th, 2008.
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The Bellagio Hotel is a favorite haunt
of billionaire CEO Tom Petters.
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This morning, he has a 7 a .m. wake -up
call, but it's not housekeeping or room
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service.
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It's the FBI.
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The head FBI agent, who was a woman,
knocked on his door.
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Petters called lawyers and clammed up.
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Back home in Minnesota, more than 50
federal agents are rating his company,
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Petters Group Worldwide, on suspicions
of fraud.
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It's a dramatic about -face for the well
-respected CEO.
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For more than a decade, his high -flying
lifestyle takes him around the world,
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wooing investors and selling the Petters
brand.
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Tricia Volpe reports on Petters'
dealings for NBC affiliate KARE.
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He was what many people would consider
the American dream come true.
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And he built himself up to be the
consummate tycoon, corporate tycoon, to
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owner, the president, the CEO of some of
the most recognizable companies in the
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world. Petters employs 3 ,200 people,
has more than 50 offices around the
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And in 2007, report $2 .3 billion in
revenue.
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Our companies aspire to be the best.
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But today, Tom Petters is under siege.
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His public face hides a desperate man at
the end of his rope on the Las Vegas
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Strip. And the FBI is catching it all on
tape.
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The story begins in the small town of
St. Cloud, Minnesota.
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The year is 1973.
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And at just 16 years of age, young Tom
Petters is already showing a passion for
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business.
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He opens his own store called Ear
Electronics.
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Petters' sister, Becky Randa, recalls
his humble beginnings.
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It started in our basement, and then he
went to head a business downtown when he
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was supposed to be in high school.
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And he had an office with his secretary,
and he was guaranteeing the lowest
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prices in the nation.
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Petters even hires salespeople,
marketing his goods to college kids,
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mother finds out.
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She was listening to the radio, and they
were interviewing Tommy, and she
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thought he was in school, but he was
not.
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In the early 1980s, Petters marries,
starts a family, and heads west.
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He manages a small chain of electronics
stores in Colorado and eventually buys
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the company.
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In 1990, Petters files for bankruptcy.
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Authorities say he leaves a trail of
unpaid debt in his wake when he skips
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and heads home to Minnesota, divorced,
jobless, and flat broke.
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I think he was overwhelmed. He had, you
know, two little kids, and he was
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extremely broke.
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He essentially had nothing, and he was
looking for the next thing.
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Tom Petters, always the businessman,
always the salesman, was looking for the
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next sale.
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With a loan from his brother, Petters
launches a new venture, the Petters
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Company, Inc., or PCI.
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It's a brokerage of opportunity goods,
odd lots of closeout or distressed
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products that Petters buys up.
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and resells to big -box stores.
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Harold Simmons has worked as a salesman
with Petters for more than a decade.
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If it was a $10 item, we could buy that
product for $5.
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And if we could sell it for $7, we made
good margins.
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In 1995, Petters decides to try his hand
at retail once again.
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with a chain of stores called Pedder's
Warehouse Direct.
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We were in the closeout business.
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In this promotional video, employee
Deanna Coleman, who goes on to play a
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role in Pedder's fraud scheme, describes
how it all started. Tom got a phone
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call from Kmart about two trailer loads
of return merchandise.
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And, of course, Tom doesn't ever turn
down a deal.
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So what did Tom decide to do? He decided
to open up Pedder's Warehouse Direct,
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and he wanted it to open the day after
Thanksgiving.
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This time, Petters finds success.
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In a few years, he has 12 stores in
Minneapolis and North Dakota with annual
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revenues of $20 million.
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But Petters has bigger aspirations.
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And with the rise of the Internet, he
jumps on opportunities to sell to the
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masses, starting international sailor
RedTag .com and buying retail auction
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YouBid .com.
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Tom had a brilliant mind, still does.
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Put together deals, he was the best I
ever saw.
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But they couldn't hold his attention.
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After he put them together, he was
pretty much through with them, and he
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looking for the next deal.
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The deal that really puts Petters on the
map is the purchase of Finger Hut in
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2002.
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The Minnesota -based catalog wholesaler
is in danger of being shuttered by
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parent company Federated Department
Stores.
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Until Tom Petters becomes the savior of
St. Cloud by teaming up with another
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Minnesota businessman to purchase the
company.
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This was certainly a good thing because
it saved jobs, and it also helped
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contribute to his image. You know, this
is a hometown guy who cares about his
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hometown, who cares about people losing
their jobs, and he wanted to do
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something about it.
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As Petters cashes in on his newfound
status as a hometown hero, his public
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appears to be golden.
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We are a very caring company. That's one
of our core values, caring about the
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people you work with, caring about the
communities you live in, caring about
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person that works next to you, caring
about families.
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But investigator Randy Shane uncovers a
different story.
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He's hired to check out Petter's
operation by a financial group looking
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money into a hedge fund that invests
heavily with Petter's.
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Shane's first tell is Petter's profile
on business information service Dun &
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Bradstreet. And in that report, it said
that Mr. Petter's graduated from a
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Minnesota college called St. Cloud
University.
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We then sought to verify that, and it
turned out he attended for a semester,
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which is pretty much as broad a gap as
you can get, right? I mean, not eight
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semesters, not six, not five.
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Shane asks himself, what else could
Petters be lying about? And he keeps
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digging. What we started to see was a
number of, a great number of lawsuits
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naming him and or his company over a
period of approximately 13 or 14 years
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in which he was getting accused of
simply not paying money back or not
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for products that he had purchased.
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Worse, Shane discovers that Petters had
been convicted of check fraud in
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Colorado in 1990 and had even become a
fugitive.
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According to the records we saw, he was
extradited from Minnesota to Colorado to
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go to jail.
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Years later, Petters hires an attorney
to get the file sealed, and little more
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is known about the incident.
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Now, we never were able to get the final
records of how long he served and so
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on, but from everything we saw, he
actually was reporting to jail in mid
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Shane reports his findings, and his
clients decide not to invest.
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But many others are lured in by Tom
Petter's big smile, his charisma, and
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promises of huge returns.
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Next on American Greed, Tom Petter's
empire appears to be rock solid.
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But is it all an illusion?
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It was, in fact, one of the biggest
frauds in Minnesota history and the
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fraud in the nation's history before
Bernie Madoff came along.
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In the early 2000s in Minnesota's Twin
Cities, entrepreneur Tom Petters is
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making big moves.
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He owns a successful local chain of
warehouse direct stores.
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multiple Internet retail sites.
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And his recent acquisition of catalog
retailer Fingerhut puts him among the
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players in Minnesota business.
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He was a deal chaser and a deal maker.
You know, he was a mover and shaker. You
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couldn't hold Tom down.
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I've learned when I get excited about
something, I've got to pull myself back.
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And I've got to be able to look.
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I've got to handle it.
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And then they opened my mouth.
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Because when I walk out of a meeting,
God knows, every executive or person in
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this company that knows me, knows they
might hear me go, let's go on this
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project. The deals were getting bigger
and Tom didn't have the financing to
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bankroll the deals.
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So therefore that brought on the
investors.
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Petters begins trading on his
reputation, offering potential investors
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of the dream.
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Through his Petters Company Inc., or
PCI, a wholesale brokerage firm focusing
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a niche business known as diverting.
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Diverting is taking product, closeouts,
out -of -dates,
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that would not sell to the big box
stores.
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They would sell them to us. We would
divert them into another company that
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divert them into that.
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into the big -box stores. That's
diverting. That's the way it all came
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Petters decides to offer promissory
notes, essentially IOUs with 60 - or 90
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terms and stunningly high returns.
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I recall the interest rates being 20%,
maybe a little more than that.
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Doug Van Dyke is recently retired from a
30 -year career as an engineer.
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He and his wife learn about the deal
through a mutual friend of Tom Petter's.
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Before jumping in, Van Dyke does his due
diligence.
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Everybody came back with, this guy is
the real deal, nothing to worry about,
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this is good.
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And so there seemed to be no reason at
all to suspect that something
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was awry.
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For more than six years, he leaves his
entire nest egg, several hundred
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dollars, in what he thinks are good
hands.
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And the Van Dykes are able to live
comfortably off their returns.
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There was literally hundreds of
thousands of dollars that were earned as
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They fund their favorite Christian
charities, purchase a spacious lakeside
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retirement home in northern Michigan,
and a winter condo in south Florida.
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I'm a heavy -duty water skier, believe
it or not, and so it was something that
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allowed me to be able to water ski year
-round. We had our boats up at...
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the home on Lake Leelanau in the
summertime.
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Petters' steady returns even attract the
attention of hedge fund managers around
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the country who begin feeding him
hundreds of millions of dollars.
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And Tom Petters is becoming filthy rich.
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So rich, his Petters Group Worldwide is
able to start acquiring dozens more
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companies. In one of his most high
-profile moves in early 2005, Petters
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Worldwide purchases the iconic brand
Polaroid.
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For $426 million.
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Then from there, he started, you know,
taking the
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Polaroid name and putting it on TVs,
which had never been, DVDs.
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He exposed the Polaroid name.
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They were losing money big time when he
bought them.
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But he bought it for the name.
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A year later, the CEO starts Petters
Aviation and buys a controlling 50 %
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in Minneapolis -based Sun Country
Airlines.
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It suddenly puts Petters worldwide on a
national and an international stage.
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And according to Petters' sister, Becky
Randa, the small -town Minnesota boy has
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truly arrived.
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Well, it definitely changed.
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We went to a family reunion. They picked
us up in a Learjet and took us there.
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It was fun.
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By 2008, Tom Petters gains entry into
the Billionaires Club, enjoying all the
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toys and trappings that come with
membership.
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$8 million house out in Lake Minnetonka.
I think the one at Palm Beach was $15
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million that he bought it for.
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And each one of those places usually had
a Bentley.
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You would have a boat. Rolex watches
were important to him.
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Petters also trades in the Learjet for a
private customized Boeing 727 that
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flies him around the world, where he
likes to wine and dine potential
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But Petters' public image isn't all
about the glitz.
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He's just as well known for giving back.
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He's a major political contributor.
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And he donates millions of dollars to
dozens of charities and universities in
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the area, including $3 million to his
mother's alma mater, the College of St.
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Benedict, and a $10 million pledge to
Miami of Ohio University, where his son
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attended, for a proposed Center on
Leadership and Ethics.
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This is a guy that had a tremendous
impact on this community.
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He gave money away. He was involved in
community organizations.
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I mean, he, everyone knew him. Everyone
loved him.
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Next on American Greed, is Tom Petters
an entrepreneurial philanthropist or a
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self -serving criminal?
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It's easy to be charitable when you're
giving away other people's money.
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At the start of 2008, Tom Petters is one
of the Twin Cities' richest
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businessmen. In less than 15 years,
Petters has gone from flat broke to
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and CEO of Petters Group Worldwide, with
a personal net worth of $1 billion.
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I mean, Tom Petters was a local Horatio
Alger story.
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He acquired an interest in the Fingerhut
Corporation. He bought Polaroid.
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He purchased Fun Country Airlines.
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His rise was meteoric.
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Our core values tie into our
entrepreneurial spirit.
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But it hasn't been all triumph for the
billionaire CEO.
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In 2004, amidst some of the biggest
business deals of his life, the dream is
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tragically interrupted when his 21 -year
-old son, John T. Petters, known as JT,
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takes a spring break trip to Florence,
Italy.
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in what has been deemed a horrible
misunderstanding.
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J .T. was in a private garden with a
friend late at night when he was stabbed
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a local man who thought he was a
burglar.
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He bled to death before medics could
save him.
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Tom Petters is devastated.
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He was horrified. I mean, he loved J .T.
so much.
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He just fell apart, absolutely fell
apart.
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He was depressed.
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He was down.
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He started drinking. He started abusing
prescription drugs.
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Tom Petters had this enormous business
empire to run. So when he started to
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of lose sight of things and started to
become withdrawn and very sad and
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depressed about his son, that no doubt
had an effect on the business.
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But in March of 2004, Tom Petters
decides to turn his personal tragedy
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opportunity.
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He starts the John T. Petters Foundation
to provide scholarships to college
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students for foreign travel.
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We created a foundation, so now we're
raising money.
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His daughter, Jenny, is the chairman.
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Petters spends upwards of $400 ,000 on
lavish annual fundraising galas,
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attracting the likes of Michael Strahan,
Kevin Nealon, David Spade, and the
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who's who of Minnesota politicians,
including Governor Tim Pawlenty.
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The way Petters publicly handles his
personal tragedy makes him even more of
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respected figure in the Twin Cities.
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Everyone, it seems, trusts Tom Petters
and wants to invest with him.
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We're doing a $2 billion fund called
Petters Strategy Growth Fund.
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It'll include some investment banks.
It'll include some lenders. It'll
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some hedge funds.
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People were drawn to him.
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The grandiose parties, the lavish
lifestyle, as well as the success in
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and giving his money away to charity, it
was because of that that people looked
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at Tom Petters and said, this is a
legitimate man.
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I'm going to give him some of my money.
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Or a lot of it.
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In the booming financial climate of the
mid -2000s, Petters has no problem
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securing hundreds of millions of dollars
time and again, mainly from high
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-rolling hedge funds.
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Petters is promising 15 to 20 percent
returns through his Petters Company,
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or PCI, which handles financing for his
diverting deals.
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Dave Phelps is a reporter for the
Minneapolis Star Tribune.
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Investors were led to believe that
Petters Company, Inc. was buying
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electronic goods, consumer electronic
goods, at a discount and selling them
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to... big box retailers like Costco or
Sam's Club.
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Although Petters has more than 3 ,000
employees,
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PCI is made up of just a few people who
have been with him for years, namely
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Deanna Coleman, Petters' one -time
secretary turned operations manager, and
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White, PCI's treasurer.
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And they've been keeping an incredible
secret for more than 10 years.
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The deals that Petters sells to his
investors...
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involving electronics manufacturers,
retailers, and warehouses are all fake.
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There is no merchandise being bought or
sold.
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And there are no profits.
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In fact, it's all a fraud.
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So Petters would go out and he'd solicit
money.
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He'd bring it into his fraud machine,
which was called Petters Company, Inc.
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And then in that machine, then, wherever
the money needed to go, it would go
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out. There was over $41 billion worth of
inter -corporate transfers.
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Keeping track of who needs to get paid
and when is a monumental task.
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It falls to Deanna Coleman, Petter's
longtime employee and trusted confidant.
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Deanna Coleman was really Tom Petter's
right -hand woman. She ran the
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She was the brains and the guts of the
whole thing.
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Rounding out the three -person fraud
unit is Bob White.
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Technically a consultant for PCI, he's a
one -man forgery department.
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Turning out a mind -boggling number of
phony purchase orders, bank statements,
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and other documents in order to keep the
scheme going.
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He would spend hours, sometimes days at
a time, with scissors, glue,
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cutting, and pasting.
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so that he could create an invoice or
some sort of document that looked
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legitimate to investors.
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Bob White tells his son Chris that at
its peak, the amount of money running
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through the scheme is staggering.
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There was new money that they had to
come up with every month just to pay the
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interest on the debt.
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Not running businesses, not anything
else, but just paying the interest on
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debt. The new money that was needed was
$115 million a month.
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No one is sure when the fraud started
exactly.
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But Bob White says he became unwittingly
involved as far back as 1999.
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In this telephone interview, White tells
American Greed that Petters sought his
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help getting out of a deal that went
south.
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He was crying, help me get through this.
And I did. We made up some documents
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that looked like the money was arriving
and he hadn't spent it properly.
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According to White, a month later,
Petters tells him it's all taken care
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as a thank you, drops off $15 ,000.
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The following year, Petters hires Bob
White to work at PCI, and White says
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not long after that that Deanna Coleman
tells him the truth about Petters'
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promissory notes.
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Something about the notes didn't seem
right, and I asked Deanna.
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I said that, you know... something's not
right about them and what's going on,
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and she said they're all fake. She told
me they were all fake. It added up to
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about $100 million of fake notes, and I
had made up several documents, and
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so I felt I was in the midst of a big
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Ponzi scheme, and that's when I figured
it out. I confronted Tom, and
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he was pretty...
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Calm about it, and so is Deanna.
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Deanna was saying that Tom will figure a
way out of it.
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Companies get to breaking points. That's
how they get better.
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Over the next 13 years, Petters goes on
to build a corporate powerhouse, funded
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in large part by his investors'
principal, which he tells them is safe
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locked account.
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He pays fat returns on time, and few
investors are asking any tough
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As the scheme grows, he, White, and
Coleman are bound ever tighter in a web
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lies. Tom was saying to people, I've got
this fantastic deal you can share
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in the profits and you'll make high
interest rates on your money.
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And so the debt would grow.
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Next on American Greed, law enforcement
has no idea what PCI is up to.
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Until Petters' girl, Friday, decides to
save herself and take her boss down.
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And she just lost faith in his ability
to make things good.
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Minnesota businessman Tom Petters
appears to be at the top of his game.
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Founder, CEO, and sole owner of Petters
Group Worldwide, which reports $2 .3
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billion in revenue in 2007.
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He boasts ownership of 150 companies,
including Polaroid and Sun Country
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Airlines, and is a man whose sterling
reputation helps bring in billions of
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investment dollars from people around
the world.
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Tom Petters was...
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He was charming.
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He was very, very smart.
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And he knew a lot of these people.
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Some of the people who invested with him
were family.
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They were friends.
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They were investment companies and other
investors who he had done business with
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before. And I think he was just a
really, really good salesman.
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What Petters is selling to investors are
promissory notes through his company
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PCI, Petters Company, Inc.
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guaranteeing high returns on deals
involving the sale of discount
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merchandise. But at some point more than
10 years ago, there stopped being any
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real merchandise.
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Petters and a small cadre of employees
began forging documents and making up
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deals. It's all a Ponzi scheme.
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Petters knew that if you just paid
people and paid them well and made them
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good about it, They wouldn't ask a lot
of questions, and they wouldn't go off
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doing a lot of due diligence.
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Good evening. Between Friday and today,
the Dow Jones Industrial Average has
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swung up and down almost 1 ,300 points.
That is until late 2007, when the U .S.
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financial industry begins to collapse.
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New money sources are drying up. On top
of that, many investors want their
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principal back.
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Petters is not able to bring in the $115
million a month he needs to keep the
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scheme going, and PCI cannot keep up
with their payments.
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People needed their money to pay off
their creditors, and so they squeezed
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Petters. Petters squeezed Deanna Coleman
and White and the others to say, we've
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got to get this money, we've got to get
it in and do that.
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A hedge fund named Acorn Capital has
$273 million invested with Petters.
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When they failed to receive a $10
million payment in August of 2008, Acorn
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claiming they'd been defrauded.
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Another hedge fund in for more than $1
billion demands an audit of PCI's books.
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But there was definitely concern going
on within the confines of PCI at that
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time. They had no books to audit, and
they were afraid that that would just
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bring down the curtain.
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Totally on the operation that the
auditors got in from this big hedge
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A fearful Deanna Coleman begins planning
her exit strategy.
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Coleman has made more than $14 million
in bonuses over the past eight years and
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is a key player in the fraud.
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In August 2008, she walks into her
attorney Alan Kaplan's office and lays
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on the table.
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What she did was begin to explain the
fact that she was involved
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in a $3 .6 billion scheme.
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I realized immediately that this may
well have been, at that time, the
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largest Ponzi scheme ever in the history
of the United States.
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Kaplan contacts the U .S. Attorney's
Office and tells them he has the
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case of a lifetime.
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But before he gives it up, he wants a
deal for his client.
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The deal was this, that they agreed that
she would, under no
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circumstances, be exposed to a prison
sentence of more than five years if
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she were to cooperate.
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And she was fine with that. And shortly
thereafter, she came in with a stack of
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documents.
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And explained the whole scam.
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But federal prosecutors need more
evidence.
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And they need Coleman to get it.
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They ask her to wear a hidden wire and
go back to work the next day.
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Business as usual.
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And she agreed to do that. That was done
both with the use of a wire.
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And they have recording devices that
essentially look like car key fobs that
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capable of clearly recording up to eight
hours of conversation.
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Next, hear how a desperate Tom Petter's
own words seal his fate.
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I'm trying to figure out a way out
because living the lie is worse than
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anything.
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Listen to more secret recordings of Tom
Petters at AmericanGreed .CNBC .com.
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We'll be right back.
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On the morning of September 8, 2008, Tom
Petters is about to have a meeting that
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he hopes will save his life.
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The CEO's $3 .5 billion empire is on the
verge of collapse.
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His decade -long Ponzi scheme about to
be uncovered.
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The financial climate was changing, and
things were starting to fall apart on
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Wall Street. And for his investors, they
started to ask questions. And that was
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something that had never really happened
before.
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But because of the uncertainty of what
was happening in the worldwide and
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national financial world, these
investors wanted to know where their
428
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:56,290
And things were starting to unravel.
429
00:30:57,050 --> 00:31:01,430
Ever the optimist, Petters believes if
he can close a deal with the hedge fund
430
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:07,110
Fortress Capital by getting it to invest
$100 million immediately, he can hold
431
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:08,110
off Judgment Day.
432
00:31:08,530 --> 00:31:10,270
It's what he's been doing for years.
433
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:17,170
But this time, his right hand and co
-conspirator Deanna Coleman is no longer
434
00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:21,910
Petters' side. This time, she's working
with the feds and wearing a wire.
435
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,300
And I went in your office and I looked
at your calendar.
436
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Oh, it's just a meeting. I think I just
put meeting out there.
437
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,520
Within the first few hours of recorded
conversations, the wire reveals a CEO
438
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,240
drowning in self -delusion, who thinks
he's even got the man upstairs working
439
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,079
for him.
440
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,320
See, the only thing that makes me
believe that there is, like, some divine
441
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,320
intervention.
442
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Seriously.
443
00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:46,660
There's no possibility we could have got
away with this for so long.
444
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,320
During the meeting with Fortress
Capital, Petters details a proposal to
445
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,340
firm's money to purchase electronics and
resell them to big box retailers like
446
00:31:57,340 --> 00:32:02,420
Walmart and Costco, who have supposedly
already provided purchase orders, or
447
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:04,160
POs, for the goods.
448
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,280
But the deal is entirely made up.
449
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,100
Does Fortress know that all these POs
are fake?
450
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,140
No, they don't know they're fake.
451
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,500
They're not going to be looking at our
POs. They're only looking at one thing.
452
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:21,490
That one thing? The 30 % or more in
returns Petters is promising.
453
00:32:22,290 --> 00:32:26,970
Coleman tells the FBI that she and
Petters had been making similar
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00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:28,870
for at least 13 years.
455
00:32:29,310 --> 00:32:32,430
And for 13 years, no one has figured it
out.
456
00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:36,510
But now, Petters is feeling the heat
like never before.
457
00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:42,250
He's spending an increasing amount of
time in Las Vegas, racking up an
458
00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:44,510
gambling debt estimated at $10 million.
459
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,860
And according to close sources, he has a
drinking and drug problem.
460
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:55,300
Undercover FBI recordings reveal a man
on the brink.
461
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:06,440
After two weeks of undercover operations
462
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,100
with Coleman, the U .S. attorney decides
they have enough on Petters. And they
463
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:12,100
move in.
464
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Petters was in Las Vegas.
465
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:21,240
And the head FBI agent, who was a woman
from here in Minneapolis, knocked on his
466
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,360
door at the Bellagio at 6 o 'clock in
the morning and talked to him and
467
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,020
tried to get him to confess.
468
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,080
Back in Minnesota, dozens of federal
agents are executing an early morning
469
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,100
on the headquarters of Petters Group
Worldwide.
470
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,780
They had Deanna's road map.
471
00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:47,230
She told them where to go, what records
to look for, and so they hauled out box
472
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:51,630
after box after box, bank records,
accounting records, all kinds of things.
473
00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:55,310
News of the Petters' raid spreads fast.
474
00:33:56,010 --> 00:34:00,650
When individual investor Doug Van Dyke
finds out, he's stunned.
475
00:34:01,910 --> 00:34:08,750
I guess the one word that would
characterize how I felt was panic,
476
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:10,929
sheer panic.
477
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Over the next couple of weeks, Van Dyke
learns that all of his money, several
478
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,480
hundred thousand dollars that he had
saved over his 30 -year career for
479
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,320
retirement, is gone.
480
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,300
I didn't know if I was going to be able
to survive.
481
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:32,380
To try to absorb the enormity of this
amount of money
482
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:39,060
that we had invested that was gone was
incomprehensible to me. I
483
00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:41,179
couldn't even begin to process it.
484
00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:46,989
Meanwhile, in the days after the raid,
Tom Petters returns to Minnesota and
485
00:34:46,989 --> 00:34:48,690
holes up in his mansion on the lake.
486
00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:53,210
He is not under arrest, but expects to
be any day.
487
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:58,210
And begins talking about ways to ditch
the feds with co -conspirator Bob White.
488
00:34:58,450 --> 00:35:02,010
What Petters doesn't know is that the
FBI is listening.
489
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,580
Petters is referencing the commodities
trader who skipped the country after
490
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:23,200
being charged with insider trading and
was later pardoned by President Bill
491
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,160
Clinton. Another core value in this
company is humility.
492
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,680
Next on American Green, the FBI is
closing in on Petters and believes he is
493
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,980
making plans to escape.
494
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:39,120
Will agents catch him before he pleads?
The plan was that Tom was going to...
495
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:45,520
Give me a bunch of money and I was
supposed to sail his boat down to meet
496
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,960
later in the Caribbean On
497
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,680
October 3rd
498
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,900
2008 the FBI moves in on Minnesota
businessman Tom Petters Suspected of
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00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:08,890
a Ponzi scheme for 13 years agents have
recorded Petters talking about fugitive
500
00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:10,610
financier Mark Rich.
501
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:17,030
The reference to Rich suggested to
federal authorities that Petters himself
502
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:19,690
considering leaving the country.
503
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:25,730
Petters also discusses an escape to a
Caribbean island with his co
504
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:27,290
but it wasn't meant to be.
505
00:36:27,830 --> 00:36:31,730
Because he's deemed a flight risk,
Petters is taken into custody at his $8
506
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:35,350
million Lake Minnetonka mansion and held
without bail.
507
00:36:36,910 --> 00:36:41,590
A year later, the trial of Tom Petters
opens at the St. Paul Federal
508
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:47,310
He faces 20 counts of wire and mail
fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering.
509
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:52,130
It wasn't just charges of fraud, money
laundering, and conspiracy.
510
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:57,690
The amount of money that was involved, I
think, floored everyone.
511
00:36:58,130 --> 00:37:01,550
Three and a half billion dollars.
512
00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:04,330
That's billion with a B.
513
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Petters' former secretary turned
operations manager Deanna Coleman blew
514
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,800
whistle on the operation after
participating in the fraud.
515
00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:18,460
She had cut a deal with the feds in
order to net the big fish, Tom Petters.
516
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,440
Now, the once high -rolling CEO could
face life in prison.
517
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:30,580
It was not easy for her, but in spite of
that, she was ready, willing, and able
518
00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:31,580
to...
519
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,300
continue her cooperation with the
government.
520
00:37:36,820 --> 00:37:41,440
Prosecutors played the tapes Coleman
recorded of conversations with Petters
521
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,420
September 2008, in the days before the
FBI raided his operation.
522
00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:51,160
We're going to come up with some f***ing
story. I'm trying as hard as I can to
523
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,300
figure out how to get out of this.
524
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:59,200
In testimony that stunned the courtroom,
former PCI officer Bob White testifies.
525
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,040
that he forged more than 10 ,000
documents over a nine -year period to
526
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,040
scheme going.
527
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:09,740
He was the wow witness.
528
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,960
Wow in the sense of, that's really how
it happened? That's really how we came
529
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,320
have a $3 .5 billion Ponzi scheme?
530
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Cut and paste.
531
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,780
Petters' attorney, John Hopeman,
acknowledges the fraud, but tells jurors
532
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:31,280
the alleged scheme took place at a time
when Petters was grieving the loss of
533
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,880
his son, who was stabbed to death during
a study abroad trip to Italy in 2004,
534
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:41,160
and that Deanna Coleman and Bob White
were the ones responsible for the fraud.
535
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,700
This was the guy who let things...
536
00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:49,490
get away from him. And he trusted the
people around him to do things properly
537
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:52,750
and to make them work, and they failed
him.
538
00:38:53,490 --> 00:38:59,570
But the government says that the fraud
far predates John T. Petter's death, and
539
00:38:59,570 --> 00:39:03,170
that it's Tom Petter's own words that
are perhaps the most damaging evidence.
540
00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:08,690
This is one big fraud that there is, and
that's how I'm dealing with it.
541
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:15,750
On December 2, 2009, after five days of
deliberations, the jury finds Petters
542
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:17,650
guilty on all 20 counts.
543
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:23,210
Four months later, a judge sentences him
to 50 years in federal prison.
544
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:28,530
Deanna Coleman serves a one -year
sentence and is released from prison in
545
00:39:28,530 --> 00:39:32,370
2011. Bob White is sentenced to five
years.
546
00:39:33,850 --> 00:39:38,230
At least eight other Petters associates
have been convicted of money laundering
547
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:41,190
and fraud, including... five hedge fund
managers.
548
00:39:41,570 --> 00:39:44,050
But not everyone is happy with the
outcome.
549
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:49,170
Tom Petters' friend and former salesman,
Harold Simmons, believes that Petters
550
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:52,830
is innocent and his sentence of 50 years
is unfair.
551
00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:55,810
Deanna Coleman gets a year.
552
00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:58,590
Bob White gets five years.
553
00:39:58,810 --> 00:40:00,450
Where's the justice in this?
554
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:03,190
It's just not there.
555
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:05,490
Tom's got a heart as big as Alabama.
556
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,020
I'm not saying Tom didn't do some shady
deals over the years to keep companies
557
00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:14,900
up and going and running. But Tom didn't
do this. I'm just telling you.
558
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:19,500
A judge appoints attorney Doug Kelly as
receiver for the case.
559
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,640
He's selling off assets, trying to
recoup losses.
560
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,300
And he's recovered more than $200
million so far, including more than $8
561
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,780
from Deanna Coleman and Bob White.
562
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,600
But the big money, according to Kelly,
is tied up in what's known as clawback.
563
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:40,800
The recovery of some $2 billion from
people who are considered net winners in
564
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,120
their dealings with petters.
565
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,860
One of the harder parts of my job has
been...
566
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:47,810
charitable contributions.
567
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:53,970
So I've had to call all these presidents
of these colleges and schools and other
568
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:59,490
things and say, I'm really sorry to do
this, but this money was not Mr.
569
00:40:59,710 --> 00:41:01,010
Petter's money to give.
570
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:06,350
It was all stolen money that he stole
from other people. I hope you'll send me
571
00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:07,350
check back.
572
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:08,450
And most of them did.
573
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,980
For Doug Van Dyke, who lost all of his
retirement savings,
574
00:41:13,780 --> 00:41:15,960
the Petters scam has been life
-altering.
575
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,800
After being retired for seven years, he
is forced to go to his former company
576
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,640
and ask for his job back.
577
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:28,000
The thing you need to know is that I
have flunked retirement 101, and I need
578
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,280
come back to work if you'll have me. If
not, then I've got to go somewhere else.
579
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:35,620
And fortunately, they wanted me back.
580
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,960
He and his wife now live in this small
apartment near his office.
581
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,180
They sold their Florida condo at a big
loss.
582
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,980
And they're struggling to hold on to
their lakeside dream home where they
583
00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:51,160
that one day they might possibly be able
to retire for good.
584
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:55,780
Meanwhile, Tom Petters is serving his
time at Leavenworth Prison in Kansas.
585
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,940
He is appealing his conviction and
maintains his innocence.
586
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,940
Petters' story is a little...
587
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,220
insight into our own psyche.
588
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,920
There are a lot of folks here who turned
their backs on questions they should
589
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,040
have asked, turned their backs on people
they should have pushed for due
590
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,280
diligence. And the reason they turned
their backs was because they were making
591
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,500
so much money. And I think that's really
sad because Petters wasn't really that
592
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:31,040
smart. He wasn't really that good a
businessman, but he was a damn good con
593
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,080
They have everything money can buy.
594
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:40,520
Dirty money taken from the riches of
their poor nation.
595
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,620
Filthy Rich proves tomorrow on CNBC.
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