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In this episode of American Greed, Mark
Dreyer, high -powered lawyer.
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You can smell the money, and that's why
the clients come here.
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Bon vivant.
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When Mark stepped into a party, Mark was
there to party.
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Con man.
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You have a guy who's actually pretending
to be other people.
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He steals more than $700 million from
hedge funds.
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They were vast pots.
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Of money with billions and millions, you
know, overflowing the side.
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Because that's where the money is.
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This was a man who had always felt
deeply empowered that this type of
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was his birthright because he was so
smart.
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New York, New York, December 2008.
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Though the financial markets are in
freefall, super lawyer Mark Dreyer
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to be floating above it all.
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He's the sole owner of Dreyer LLP, a 500
-person law firm with offices on Park
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Avenue.
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He has yachts, priceless art, beach
homes.
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This lavish lifestyle that he embraced
was part of his way of trying to
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new clientele to his law firm, but
evidently that wasn't enough.
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On December 2nd, the news ripples
through the highest levels of New York's
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community.
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Mark Dreyer has been arrested in Toronto
for impersonating a client and later
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charged with selling $700 million worth
of phony notes.
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He is a thief.
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He's a high -class thief, well
-educated, one that put forward a very
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front. But it all turns out he wasn't.
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Mark Dreyer's story begins just 20 miles
from midtown Manhattan in the Long
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Island community known as Five Towns.
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It was not the glitziest place in the
world, but the kids were all very well
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educated. It was sort of a new frontier,
Kennedy generation, we're going to grow
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up and change the world kind of
existence for him.
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Kenneth Gross goes to high school with
Mark Dreyer.
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Mark was the big man on campus. He was
the president of the student council,
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voted most likely to succeed. He was
handsome. He dated the prettiest girl
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was smart and had...
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really the world on its platter.
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From Lawrence High School, Dreyer goes
off to Yale University and then Harvard
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Law.
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After graduation, Dreyer joins Rosenman
and Collin, where he's known as a tough
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and aggressive litigator.
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He had a brilliant career, educated at
Harvard, educated at Yale, and was
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very highly regarded. I remember one
appellate division judge telling me that
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was perhaps the finest appellate lawyer
that ever appeared in front of him.
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After several years of the big law firm
grind, it's apparent that Dreyer is
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unsatisfied.
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There are a couple things you can do
when you're a young lawyer in New York.
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can either try and make partner or you
can try and branch off and start your
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business. And it became clear after a
while that Mark Jarre was going to be
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of those lawyers who was going to go off
to lead his own operation one day. In
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fact, he wanted it so badly that one
friend I talked to told me that he was
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always well -liked but not necessarily
trusted, that he liked being admired
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than he actually liked being liked.
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Around 1996,
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Dreyer goes out on his own and quickly
gains a very important client.
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Billionaire real estate developer
Sheldon Solo.
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The son of a Brooklyn bricklayer, Solo
works his way up as a midtown developer.
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In 1972, he builds his magnum opus.
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His big signature building where he has
an office is the sloped building at 9
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West 57th Street, which has the big
orange number 9 outside with huge
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Park views from his offices.
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Solo, in addition to being a
billionaire, has a reputation for being
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In Dreyer's eyes, he's the perfect
client.
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He and Mark Dreyer were sort of kindred
spirits. They both were aggressive.
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Sheldon Solo loved frivolous lawsuits
almost as much as Mark Dreyer did.
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And once they got together, the lawsuits
practically never stopped flying.
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In one notorious case, Sheldon Solo
wants to buy a beach house that's for
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in the Hamptons. There's one problem.
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Another man has first dibs on the sale.
That doesn't stop Dreyer from filing
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suit, saying the house should really go
to his client.
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He was one of the great spinners of BS
in midtown Manhattan. He could
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sit there and tell you, no.
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John F. Kennedy was killed by aliens
from Pluto.
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Here's how they did it. And at the end,
you know it's BS, but he
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has almost made you believe it. And that
was his genius, if he had one, in the
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courtroom, that he could take these
ostensibly frivolous cases and almost
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them, but he rarely did in the end.
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In the Hamptons Beach House case, Solo
and Dreyer keep losing and appealing.
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Losing and appealing.
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They lose a dozen lawsuits over the next
ten years.
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The federal judge, who ultimately
dismisses the case with prejudice, says
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Solo's company has had so many bites at
the apple, it has swallowed the core.
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But the point here was to keep the money
flowing from Solo and to sustain his
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law firm.
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and to continue to have a high profile
in the legal world, which is what he
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wanted.
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Being king of the frivolous lawsuit has
made Mark Dreyer at least $6 million.
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But there's still annoying
dissatisfaction at the heart of Dreyer,
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tells writer Brian Burrow in a Vanity
Fair profile.
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He tells this amazing story of an
epiphany he had.
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On the beach at West Hampton out on
Eastern Long Island where all the
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people live.
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He had a house out there, but it was
inland and he'd always wanted a beach
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house. And he was on a long walk on the
beach and he walked up to this mansion
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and felt in his heart that he wanted one
too. Wanted one on the water.
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And for a certain level of New Yorker,
the Hamptons home is one of the ways.
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a certain type of New Yorker measures
themselves.
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And Dreyer says right then and there he
made two decisions.
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He was going to have a house on the
beach, and he was going to do it by
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dramatically expanding his law firm.
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The problem, of course, is he didn't
have the money to do it either.
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After this aha moment, Dreyer comes up
with a new model for a law firm.
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Dreyer LLP, he'll call it.
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And it will be like no other firm.
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Well, most law firms are going to be
sort of a trickle -down philosophy. So
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the top are the partners, and the
partners make the money, and that
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down to the associates who help those
partners make the money.
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But Dreyer was different.
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Dreyer was willing to reward anybody.
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If you brought in business, you were
going to get a piece of the action.
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Mark Dreyer will be the sole owner of
Dreyer LLP.
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The other lawyers he calls partners
won't actually have any equity.
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What he offers instead is a generous
salary, commissions on new business, and
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freedom from the headaches of running a
law firm.
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But there's a catch.
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The only person who had control of the
finances was Mark Dreyer himself.
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He had control of the finances, he had
control of the books, and he had insight
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into every deal that was going on. So in
some sense, it was a monarchy.
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It's good to be king.
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But Dreyer's law firm expansion will
cost upwards of $10 million.
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This was a guy who didn't have a
fraction of that.
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And so he thought and thought and
thought, how do I do this?
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And the answer he ultimately came up
with was, I'll steal the money. And
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what he did.
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If you looked around in 2004, the
obvious place to get money was hedge
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They were enormous. They were vast pots
of money with billions and millions, you
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know, overflowing the side.
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Somehow he had to get some of the hedge
fund money. The only thing he could do
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is sell them something.
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But sell them what?
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Dreyer comes up with a plan to sell
notes, IOUs, to hedge funds.
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But who will be the issuer of these
notes?
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He decides Sheldon Solo, one of his best
clients and a billionaire developer,
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will create the perfect cover story.
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He actually had worked for Solo Realty
for a number of years. He was able to
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pull on the experience that he had had
with Solo to present himself as a
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representative of that firm in offering
these fake promissory notes.
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In 2002, Dreyer puts his plan into
action.
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He fakes a note issued by Solo Realty
for $20 million.
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When it's finished, Dreyer is confident
he can sell the note to a hedge fund.
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It was easy, he said. He found a big
hedge fund in Connecticut, explained to
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them that Mr. Solo was trying to raise
money for an expansion.
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Not a lot of questions were asked.
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You know, papers were signed. And like
that, he walks away with $20 million.
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Solo, of course, knows nothing of the
note.
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The $20 million goes straight into
Dreyer LLP for office space and the
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top lawyers.
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Dreyer tells himself that that is a one
-time deal.
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But of course, if you've ever read any
story about any embezzler or any
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ostensibly lawful person who engages in
fraud, once is never enough.
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Over the next two years, Dreyer issues
$200 million worth of notes, selling
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to hedge funds in Manhattan and
Connecticut.
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What he would do is he would set up fake
email addresses. He would send notes on
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fake letterhead, letterhead that was
allegedly from the auditor of Solo
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So he set up basically a whole scam.
Everything was fake, the email
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the stationery, and even Dreyer himself.
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Indeed. Dreyer's law firm is a Potemkin
village designed to fool the whole world
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into thinking he's a big shot.
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He opens offices in New York at 499 Park
Avenue, one of the premier addresses
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right on the corner of 59th Street and
Park Avenue. He fills the office with
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kinds of artwork from, you know, Andy
Warhol.
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Former associate Michael Patrick
remembers a conversation he has with one
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Dreyer's partners.
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We're in this conference room and he
looks around and he goes, yeah, look at
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this. Gorgeous furniture.
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Look at the flat screen TVs on the wall.
Look at that lobby. There's no other
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firm like it.
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Gorgeous. You can smell the money.
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And that's why the clients come here.
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The flowers that he had, he had flowers
that cost $9 ,000 a month. I'm not
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exaggerating. I said, Mark, unless these
flowers are made of pure gold, you're
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getting ripped off.
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And as for the buyers of Dreyer's notes,
the hedge funds, They're not asking too
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many questions.
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One thing Mark Dreyer could always do,
it's been a story, a believable story.
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And that's what he did for these hedge
funds. And the fact was, these people,
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they had more money than God. They had
more money, literally, than they knew
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what to do with. They were looking for
anything to invest in. I mean, a little
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debt from a big New York realtor, well,
that seemed just normal.
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SLP, it's what everyone was doing in
2004.
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The market is doing fine, for now.
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And thanks to these phony notes, Dreyer
has the life of his dreams.
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Not one, but two beach houses in the
Hamptons, an Aston Martin, and an $18
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million yacht.
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One wonders how he thought he would get
away with it. The only way he would ever
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get away with it all is if the law firm
ultimately was profitable enough to
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start paying off these loans.
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Next, Dreyer's life implodes.
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It's almost like, you know, the
caricature of the bandit with the money
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bag sort of scurrying out the door.
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By 2008, Mark Dreyer has built the law
firm of his dreams.
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From their offices on Park Avenue, the
270 lawyers of Dreyer LLP work on
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everything from patents to entertainment
law.
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Celebrity clients include Jay Leno.
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Former New York giant Michael Strahan
and the rock band Wilco.
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But all in all, a great firm. You walk
in and it's like you smell the success.
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You can see the money is spent.
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And you think, well, if they can afford
this, then they must be really good.
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At Dreyer, the motto is work hard, play
harder.
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The lavish parties on Dreyer's 123 -foot
yacht are the stuff of legend.
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He was out there dancing almost all
night. Very energetic, very fun. No
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what song came on, he was, you know, any
genre, he was out there dancing it up.
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Because when Mark stepped into a party,
Mark was at a party. Mark was there to
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enjoy himself.
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You could tell. He kind of liked it. I'm
a rock star. I walk in, this is my
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firm, I'm going to have a great time.
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So I think every party was very
different from a normal law firm party.
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But there's a mystery at the heart of
Mark Dreyer's law firm.
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Where exactly is all the money coming
from?
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We sat down one day, a bunch of us, and
just kind of thought, well, let's think,
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how much money are all these people
earning?
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How much are they bringing in? And we
just couldn't make it work for us. But
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where the money was coming from became a
source of gossip for everyone.
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I think he's doing this, I think he's
doing that. But there was no definite
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answer to our questions.
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As Warren Buffett says...
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It's only when the tide goes out that
you learn who's swimming naked.
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And like a low tide, the financial
meltdown of 2008 will leave Mark Dreyer
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running for cover.
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Good evening. Not since the Great
Depression has the federal government
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in to help a failing financial
institution in this country the way they
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this past weekend, brokering a deal for
JPMorgan Chase to step in and take over
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Bear Stearns.
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something like panic on Wall Street. At
that point, no one wanted to pay or
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invest in anything.
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All anyone, every bank, every hedge
fund, every you and me and mom and dad,
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essentially wanted to put money in a
savings account, hold your breath, and
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wait for it to be over.
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Nervous investors are looking for the
exit.
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I think Trier would probably say that he
was desperate.
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and that at this point the whole
operation was coming apart at the seams
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that he really needed more paper signed.
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Like in any Ponzi scheme, he needed to
issue more debt to pay off some of the
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older notes and keep the whole thing
going.
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As summer turns to fall, the pressure
almost becomes unbearable.
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There was mere panic last week as
investors drove down stock prices.
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In October, Dreyer is late in repaying
$115 million worth of notes to a hedge
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fund.
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The head of the fund wants to meet
Solo's CEO, look him in the eye, and
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a repayment plan.
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Well, Mark Dreyer can't do that because
he's defrauding Solo. Solo doesn't know
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anything about it. So how on earth do
you come up with a face -to -face
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with the CEO of Solo Realty?
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He came up with a brilliant idea.
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You create your own CEO.
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Dreyer turns to a man named Kostakovich.
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Kovachev is a law firm client who was
sued by the SEC in an unrelated Ponzi
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scheme.
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It appears that he was the Dreyer client
with the most malleable morals, the one
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that Dreyer could go to and say, you
know, I need an Igor to my Dr.
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Frankenstein.
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On October 15, 2008, the two men
approached Solow's office on 9 West 57th
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Street, one of the highest -rent
buildings in all of Manhattan.
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And this is one of the most amazing
moments in the history of white -collar
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fraud. But he staged a meeting in the
offices of Sheldon Solo without Sheldon
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Solo or anyone there knowing that the
meeting was going to happen.
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Two foxes are going inside the henhouse.
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Dreyer will play himself.
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Kovachev will play Solo's CEO.
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On the 45th floor, they commandeer a
conference room.
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install Kovachev at the end of a table,
and play host to a hedge fund.
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And Costa Kovachev sat there and
impersonated the CEO of Solar Realty.
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think we can pay back this debt in the
next six months. I said, see, no
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You know, it was this type of... And the
hedge fund bought it.
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The fund agrees to give Dreyer some time
to come up with the money.
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It's a huge coup.
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It's almost like a caricature of the
bandit with the money over his bag sort
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scurrying out the door. It was almost
that vivid.
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But Dreyer knows just how close he is to
getting caught.
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The amazing thing was we later learned
the actual CEO of Solo Realty walked by
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the conference room that day, saw them
in there, and kind of wondered, well, I
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wonder what Mark's doing today, but he
had a meeting and he kept walking.
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If he had gone in, he would have seen
that Kostakovich was pretending to be
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in this meeting.
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But he didn't.
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Next on American Greed. With the
financial crisis deepening, everyone on
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Street is more skeptical. Will Mark
Dreyer survive the scrutiny?
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November 2008.
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Publicly, Mark Dreyer is one of New York
City's top attorneys.
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Privately. He is juggling a multi
-million dollar Ponzi scheme.
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He impersonates well -known clients of
his law firm to sell fake securities to
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wealthy hedge funds.
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For six years, Dreyer has been enjoying
the fruits of his success.
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But in the fall of 2008, with near panic
on Wall Street, the bills come due.
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You know, it's debatable.
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Dreyer might actually have gotten away
with this at some point, except that one
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of the hedge funds involved that had
bought one of these notes decided that
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wanted to reduce its risk, and it wanted
to sell half the note to another hedge
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fund.
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Solo Realty, Dreyer's former client, is
supposedly backing the note.
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And to assure the first hedge fund that
this is a safe investment, Dreyer gives
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them an auditor's report claiming that
Solo is a financially sound company.
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But when the second fund looks at the
paperwork, they become suspicious.
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A fund representative makes a call to
Solo's auditing firm, Burden LLP.
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One of the partners of the auditing firm
believes his signature has been forged.
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He calls the firm's lawyer, Thomas
Manicero.
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It was evident to me in virtually a
nanosecond that what we were looking at
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fabricated reports.
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There's a logo here that makes reference
to Burden being a member of Horwath
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International Association.
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I knew that Burden had not been a member
of that association for at least four
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years prior to the date of this letter.
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That was easily a flag to me.
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also significant, which jumped right off
the page to Stewart. As soon as he saw
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this, this is not my signature. This is
not the way I signed.
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Manicero confirms the hedge fund's
suspicions.
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I told them, look, what you're looking
at are clearly forged documents.
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Their response was, well, thank you very
much. You just saved us $25 million.
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But Manicero wonders where the fake
reports came from. He looks for clues in
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report.
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We were going through the materials. We
saw a confidentiality agreement. It was
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addressed to Kira of Mark Dreyer as the
representative of the solo entity.
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He calls Dreyer to ask him about the
forged documents.
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I said, listen, we're looking at some
clearly fabricated, forged audit
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reports, and this is a major concern for
us because the accountant's audit
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report is, in a sense, some kind of a
currency.
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Dreyer dodges the question and talks in
circles.
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His response to our questions, from my
perspective, was not coherent.
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It was sort of rambling.
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A lot of what I would term double -dutch
didn't make a lot of sense to me.
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After the call, Manicero doesn't know
who's behind the forgery, but he knows
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needs to report it to the Fed.
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He meets with the U .S. Attorney's
Office in the Southern District of New
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The next day, he gets a call.
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Hi, Tom, this is Mark Dreyer. Can we
talk?
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It really took me by surprise.
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The last person in the world I thought
would be calling me.
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Manicero says he needs to call Dreyer
right back.
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He quickly dials the U .S. Attorney's
Office.
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Said, this fellow's just called me. How
do you want me to handle this?
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Within 15 minutes, the feds have
arranged to tap Manicero's phone.
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Only then does he call Mark Dreyer.
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He said, who's talking here? And I said,
well, you and I are talking. In fact,
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you're going to do a lot of talking
because I got a lot of questions.
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And then he asked me, quite
surprisingly, he said, is this
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recorded? I took a quick gulp and said,
not by me, being very honest.
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And that was good enough for him. And
then he proceeded to say, well, look,
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know, I've done something very bad here.
I don't want you going to law
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enforcement because my family's going to
get hurt. My firm is going to get hurt.
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There's a lot of innocent people that
would get hurt over this.
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Dreyer proceeds to explain his scheme,
but swears he has only done it this one
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time. The conversation leaves Manicero
chilled.
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I was numb. I hung up from them. The
phone rang about.
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15, 20 seconds later was the
investigator from the U .S. Attorney's
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basically saying, wow, you know, do you
believe that? We can't believe what we
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just heard here.
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You know, great job. Thank you very
much.
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So I decided to just pack up my bags and
go home for the day because I wasn't
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going to be able to focus on getting
anything else done that day.
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At the U .S. Attorney's Office, Jonathan
Streeter heads an investigation into
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Dreyer's fraud.
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Over the next few weeks, he asks
Manicero to keep the conversation going
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Dreyer. And so we had recorded
conversations of him trying to convince
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accounting firm not to go to the
authorities.
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Meanwhile, at the Park Avenue offices of
Dreyer LLP, Dreyer is getting tense.
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He started screaming at the top of his
lungs, what the stock market doing?
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And it was so loud that my office two
doors down.
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But it really, I mean, it was.
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abrasively loud.
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He knows Manicero is on to him, and as
the economy nosedives, hedge funds are
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calling in their investments.
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He's running out of time and money.
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All he could do was delay, deny, and
obfuscate, and just say, I'll tell you
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more, I'll tell you more, but I've got
to go off to, you know, the Caribbean.
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I've got to go off to the Gulf.
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It was at that point that Dreier
realized his time could probably be
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days rather than months.
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Dreyer later confesses that he considers
making a run for it.
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As one of his Hail Mary passes, he took
a trip to Abu Dhabi to try to raise
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money from some Arab investors.
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And one night he describes standing
outside in the desert air saying, I'm a
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white man with $100 million in cash.
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What if I just run?
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But Dreyer has kids back in the States
and can't fathom a life on the run.
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He returns to New York.
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On the day after Thanksgiving, he
schedules one last call with Manicero.
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And during the course of that
conversation, it was evident that he was
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to unravel.
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And he was telling me, you know, come
on, we have to be able to settle this.
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can settle this matter.
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You know, I'm saying, well, what are we
settling? I don't understand.
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Explain to me. Well, I'll pay you and
your clients some money and, you know,
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can money. Money is what you use to
settle things. I was sitting there and
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just saying to myself, you know, there's
this is a bribe.
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The U .S. attorney's office has heard
enough.
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Their investigation has revealed just
how far Dreyer's scheme reaches.
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What we uncovered over time as the case
unfolded was that.
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He had sold hundreds of millions of
dollars worth of these notes, about $700
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million worth of notes, all told.
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Streeter asks Manicero to schedule one
last face -to -face meeting with Dreyer
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the following week to confirm his
identity.
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The stage is set to bring Dreyer in once
and for all.
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But they won't get their chance.
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Up next on American Greed, Dreyer skips
town in a last -ditch effort to save his
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crumbling scheme.
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The events that finally led to Dreyer's
fall were classic Keystone Cops farce.
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December 1st, 2008.
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Mark Dreyer's world is closing fast
around him. Dreyer has been selling fake
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securities to hedge funds to support his
lavish lifestyle and prestigious law
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firm. But the collapse of Bear Stearns
and other major institutions has sent
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hedge funds scrambling to get their
money back.
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And Dreyer can't pay.
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It's just like what Warren Buffett says,
when the tide goes out, suddenly you
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get to see who's really in trouble, and
Mark Dreyer needed to pay the bills.
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To make matters worse, a bankruptcy
attorney at Dreyer's firm puts in a
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request for $38 million being held in
one of the firm's secure escrow
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But the money, which is never supposed
to be touched, is missing.
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The attorney calls Dreyer and says, hey,
do you know anything about this missing
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escrow money?
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Dreyer did because he stole it. And he
had to come up over a weekend with a sum
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of money to repay this lost money.
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Dreyer needs to make a sale fast.
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The next day, he boards a private jet
headed for Toronto, Canada.
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His plan is to impersonate a
representative of the Ontario Teachers'
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Fund, a former client of his law firm.
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and sell one last bogus security to a
hedge fund executive.
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He was attempting at the time to sell
about a $44 million note to
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a hedge fund located in New York.
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00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:33,310
And that hedge fund had insisted on
having a face -to -face meeting with a
420
00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:38,310
representative of this pension plan
located in Canada that was supposedly,
421
00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:40,390
according to Mark Dreyer, guaranteeing
the note.
422
00:28:41,290 --> 00:28:42,810
It's a brazen plan.
423
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:47,460
But it's similar to something he's
already attempted in the offices of
424
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:48,460
Solo.
425
00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:55,080
Justice Kovachev has done for him in the
past. He's going to do it himself this
426
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,080
time.
427
00:28:57,540 --> 00:28:59,760
Everything goes smoothly at first.
428
00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:06,060
Dreyer meets with attorneys at the
pension fund, including a man named
429
00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:07,060
Patfield.
430
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:13,700
Before leaving, he asks for Padfield's
business card and returns to the lobby.
431
00:29:14,780 --> 00:29:20,060
He then asks if he can use a conference
room while he waits for his private jet.
432
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:27,280
In reality, he's waiting for Howard
Steinberg, an executive with Fortress
433
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,720
Fund, to arrive for his appointment.
434
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:35,720
So for the better part of an hour,
Dreyer is pacing the lobby.
435
00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:40,280
In Toronto, waiting for this Steinberg
to come in.
436
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,120
And when he does, when he comes off the
elevator, Dreyer immediately grabs and
437
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,320
says, Oh, Mr. Steinberg, so glad I can
see you. We're just going to do it right
438
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,000
here in this conference room where he'd
been sitting.
439
00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:56,520
Offering his new business card, Dreyer
claims to be Michael Padfield.
440
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,820
He hurriedly signs the papers needed to
sell his fake note.
441
00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:06,340
and offers to escort Steinberg back to
the elevators.
442
00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:08,940
But Steinberg is suspicious.
443
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,780
Dreyer seems nervous and in a hurry to
get rid of him.
444
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:21,120
Steinberg thinks twice and says he wants
to wait in the lobby, claiming he's
445
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,220
having lunch with a friend.
446
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,820
A jittery Dreyer abruptly leaves.
447
00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:32,510
His mark remained in there and actually
asked the person at the front desk, if
448
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:36,730
that person he was just meeting with was
Michael Padfield and the person working
449
00:30:36,730 --> 00:30:38,230
the front desk said, no, it wasn't.
450
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:46,990
Back on his private jet, Dreyer gets a
phone call from the hedge fund.
451
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:52,630
Gets a call from one of the top guys at
Fortress saying, we have a problem.
452
00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:57,530
Someone is impersonating one of the
Canadians at the hedge fund.
453
00:30:57,730 --> 00:31:00,330
Can you help us? Do you know anything
about it? And Dreyer's like...
454
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,520
That's a surprise. I'll look into it.
455
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:06,380
Dreyer is at a crossroads.
456
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:13,040
He can either fly back to New York and
deny the whole incident or return to the
457
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,080
pension fund offices and attempt to
explain himself.
458
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,860
And he later told me when he sat down,
he was 90 % sure if he went back to the
459
00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:27,880
offices of the pension fund that he
probably would never get out, that
460
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,920
bad would happen.
461
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:33,810
And that's actually what happened. By
the time he got back, the police had
462
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:34,810
already been called.
463
00:31:35,290 --> 00:31:36,930
And they put him in handcuffs and took
him away.
464
00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:44,950
News of Dreyer's arrest for
impersonation reaches the offices of
465
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:45,950
next day.
466
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:47,630
You could tell something was up.
467
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:49,990
Secretaries were huddling. There were
whispers.
468
00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:52,650
And I just walked out. I said, what is
going on?
469
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:54,890
And they said, Mark Dreyer's been
arrested.
470
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:58,830
I'm at my computer trying to do my job.
People are coming up crying.
471
00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:02,120
attorneys are crying, pacing.
472
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:05,400
This is disgusting. This is disgraceful.
What do we do?
473
00:32:06,340 --> 00:32:09,940
I said, I don't know. He's the one who's
the equity partner.
474
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:12,040
He's the one who pulls the strings.
475
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:15,060
He's the one who knows all the books and
all the 50 accounts.
476
00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:20,680
And at that moment, Dreyer is helping
himself to the firm's escrow accounts
477
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,680
last time.
478
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:27,860
From a jail cell in Canada, Dreyer
transfers $10 million from a client's
479
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:30,720
account. to one of his personal bank
accounts.
480
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,880
If you talk to people in the legal
community, he committed a cardinal sin
481
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,680
of this. He was stealing money from
clients' escrow accounts.
482
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:43,720
And you just don't do that as a lawyer.
483
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680
The next day, Dreyer is released on
bail.
484
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,540
On the evening of December 7th, he
arrives at LaGuardia Airport, where the
485
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:55,289
are waiting.
486
00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:59,730
He is arrested and charged with
securities and wire fraud, officially
487
00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:02,710
Dreyer LLP a ship with no captain.
488
00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:06,850
And, you know, immediately, in a matter
of minutes, it throws the whole firm's
489
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:08,310
existence into question.
490
00:33:09,130 --> 00:33:14,850
He is accused of impersonating
executives to sell fake IOUs to 13
491
00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:15,850
hedge funds.
492
00:33:16,010 --> 00:33:21,470
Raking in almost $740 million, Dreyer
has been one of the biggest names in
493
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:22,470
-collar crime.
494
00:33:23,050 --> 00:33:24,050
Until now.
495
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,220
Uptown, Bernie Madoff is arrested for
masterminding the largest Ponzi scheme
496
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:33,220
history.
497
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Some lawyers who know Dreyer suspect
that he's jealous.
498
00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:41,200
That's got to hurt. Because if you think
about it, if Madoff hadn't been there,
499
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:46,400
if Madoff hadn't occurred, Mark Dreyer
would be the Ponzi. You know, he is the
500
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,740
guy in financial fraud.
501
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,800
Look what he did. And by the way, he did
it by impersonating people.
502
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:54,680
Forging documents. I mean, this was a
really great scheme.
503
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,120
A guy like Bernie Madoff comes along.
504
00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:04,080
Meanwhile, a skeleton staff meets to
decide what will become of Dreyer LLP,
505
00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:08,659
Dreyer's prized law firm, now in the
hands of a bankruptcy trustee.
506
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,000
They have no choice but to dissolve the
firm.
507
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,199
December 08 was bad enough financially
out there in the market.
508
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:20,780
To lose your job at that moment is...
509
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,400
bad enough. But then it's, you know,
it's the holidays, and your family's
510
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,500
to support you, and you're trying to be
still upbeat.
511
00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:31,659
But yet, it's hard to fake that.
512
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,659
Eleven days later, Kostya Kovachev, the
man Dreyer is hired to carry out his
513
00:34:36,659 --> 00:34:38,820
impersonations, is also arrested.
514
00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:44,840
And Dreyer meets with defense attorney
Gerald Shargell to plan his next move.
515
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:51,580
He never intended to contest the
charges. He recognized that it was over
516
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:55,960
willing to accept responsibility, and it
was just a matter of getting through
517
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,120
this and getting as reasonable a
sentence as possible.
518
00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:07,240
It is during this time that Dreyer makes
an unusual move, inviting Vanity Fair
519
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,860
reporter Brian Burrow into his home for
an interview.
520
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:14,450
Having been released on house arrest, a
disheveled dryer welcomes Burrow at his
521
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:15,990
$10 million midtown apartment.
522
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:17,990
It's a surreal scene.
523
00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:20,650
He looked terrible.
524
00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:24,630
He's red -faced, he's unshaven, he's
uncombed.
525
00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:29,770
The apartment is this beautiful, large,
$10 million, sun -drenched apartment.
526
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:33,770
The most amazing thing was that there
were these hooks, naked hooks on all the
527
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:38,490
walls. And, of course, all his vaunted
art collection had all been sold off or
528
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:39,490
given away.
529
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:44,670
Over the next two days, Dreyer delivers
a surprisingly candid interview.
530
00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:51,650
This was a man who had always felt
deeply empowered that this type of
531
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:56,270
was his birthright because he was so
smart. Because from boyhood, everyone
532
00:35:56,270 --> 00:36:01,870
said he was a golden boy. He felt like
it was his, that it was natural. And I
533
00:36:01,870 --> 00:36:03,170
think the deepest motivation.
534
00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:07,370
was the fact that by his early 50s, he
was not that success.
535
00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:11,430
And he deeply, desperately wanted to be
a success.
536
00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:15,650
But others who know Dreyer have a hard
time buying it.
537
00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:19,770
You went to a great law school. You had
the world at your fingertips. You just
538
00:36:19,770 --> 00:36:22,350
got caught up in it. You didn't think,
well, I should protect myself.
539
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:27,690
I'll get out of it. And, you know, I'm
happy with just making a million and a
540
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:29,630
half a year, two million off of a law
firm.
541
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:31,310
Ken Gross.
542
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:35,350
who remembers Dreyer back when he was
the big man on campus at Lawrence High
543
00:36:35,350 --> 00:36:38,790
School, doesn't accept his explanation
either.
544
00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:46,530
To somehow get you into crime and to
risk all that you've achieved is so
545
00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:51,830
inexplicable. And I just have to believe
in his own mind when he thinks back on
546
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:53,670
it that it's very hard to explain.
547
00:36:56,490 --> 00:37:02,070
On May 11, 2009, Dreyer pleads guilty to
all eight counts against him, including
548
00:37:02,070 --> 00:37:06,230
conspiracy, securities fraud, wire
fraud, and money laundering.
549
00:37:06,490 --> 00:37:11,890
On July 13, he returns to court to face
sentencing, where he appears resigned to
550
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:12,890
his fate.
551
00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:20,410
He was, first and foremost, a broken
man. He was, you know, lump and quiet
552
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:22,530
and noncombative.
553
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,940
The government recommends a term of 145
years in prison, just five years shy of
554
00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:29,940
Madoff's sentence.
555
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:31,380
Dreyer is hoping for less.
556
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:35,100
The judge settles on a 20 -year
sentence.
557
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,740
20 years is a very long sentence, but
compared to some of the other sentences
558
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:43,360
that have been meted out and compared to
what the government wanted the sentence
559
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,620
to be, we felt that we did the best that
we could under the circumstances.
560
00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:55,730
The judge also orders Dreyer to pay $389
million in restitution to his victims.
561
00:37:56,730 --> 00:38:03,030
His homes, art collection, and even
office furniture are all put up for
562
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:09,710
But with most of his gains sunk into
maintaining the law firm, victims will
563
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:12,590
likely see only a small portion of their
money returned.
564
00:38:14,650 --> 00:38:19,430
Still, Some argue his victims could have
done more to protect themselves.
565
00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:24,510
In the financial markets, people know
what audit reports are. They have to
566
00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:27,850
what audit reports are. It took me a
nanosecond to look at these things and
567
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:28,910
no, this is wrong.
568
00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:31,410
You've got to do your work. You've got
to ask the questions.
569
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:38,690
In addition to the hedge funds, Dreyer's
victims include the hundreds of
570
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:40,890
attorneys and paralegals who worked for
him.
571
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:46,660
Hedge funds are victims, sure. But the
real victims here, were the employees
572
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:50,680
came in every day and they gave
everything to that firm.
573
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,060
It was a great job.
574
00:38:53,660 --> 00:39:00,040
It's just so much effort put into
building this place. I loved it. And I
575
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,360
very loyal. And you just feel good about
yourself. I did it. Look at that. I cut
576
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,960
costs. I did this. And then you're left
with nothing. But I try to remain strong
577
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,580
because I want my children to be proud
of me.
578
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:20,030
In March 2010, Kostakovichev is
sentenced to four years in prison for
579
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:21,030
in Dreyer's scheme.
580
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:27,150
Dreyer serves his time at Sandstone
Prison in northern Minnesota, far from
581
00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:29,870
family, and a world away from Park
Avenue.
582
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:37,410
His release date is October 2026, when
he'll be 75 years old.
583
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:41,570
Our lives go on, and we do different
things.
584
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,420
And this will maybe be forgotten one
day. That's true.
585
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,220
But you have to wonder how many people's
lives were really affected down the
586
00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:54,440
line, unwillingly, because of one man's
decisions for greed.
587
00:39:55,660 --> 00:39:57,200
And now what?
588
00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:00,800
We're all left just to forget about it,
wish him well?
589
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,680
You know, because he says he's sorry?
590
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:07,940
I don't. I don't wish him well.
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