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In this episode of American Greed, they
said it was the deal of a lifetime.
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Put money in God's hand, and God gives
it back to you double. And thousands of
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people put their faith and money into
the ministry.
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They said, we'll double your money in 17
months. That was the pitch.
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But it was a fraud, and all in the name
of God.
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I've seen more money stolen in the name
of God than any other way.
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And later, he was one of the most
successful jewel thieves of all time.
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I could make a million dollars one night
and start looking for another one the
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next day.
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Bill Mason made it look easy, hobnobbing
with the rich and famous and taking
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their diamonds.
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Bill had no desire to rob celebrities.
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But as Willie Sutton once said about
robbing, why did you rob banks? He said,
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because that's where the money is.
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Every time it's the same routine.
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Somebody say hallelujah.
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Singing.
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Praying. And Lord, we just offer up
ourselves as a living sacrifice tonight.
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And preaching.
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How many know what you see from God is
real?
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But then comes the sales pitch.
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God never intended for his church to be
poor.
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He said, blessed are the poor in heart,
not pocketbook.
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Gerald Payne, seen here, is the founder
of a church called Greater Ministries
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International. He was a blue -collar
guy. He was a painter. He, I think, ran
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warehouse at one point.
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Payne is the next con.
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But in the late 80s, he changed his ways
and found God.
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He bought an old bank building in Tampa
and started Greater Ministries
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International.
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He did have a friend in Don Hall who
certainly knew scripture and was able to
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put together this sort of team that made
a very compelling pitch to people.
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Throughout the 90s, Payne and his fellow
ministers traveled the country,
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spreading their message and asking
audiences to put money into the church.
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It's just as simple as this.
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Put money in God's hand and God gives it
back to you, Doug.
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Payne's brainchild is an unorthodox
money doubling program, ultimately
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Faith Promises. The plan is simple. Gift
the church, and that money will be
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doubled within 17 months.
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The story he told most of the time on
the road was that he was awakened one
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night by God, who pointed out the
scripture of Luke to him and said, you
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think I meant that just for back then,
you can use this today.
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Through divine inspiration, Payne says
God has given him a plan.
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God said this plan will be around until
he comes again. Praise God. Hallelujah.
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And the secret is in the Bible.
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And Gerald took this passage of Luke,
which was mostly about compassion and
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forgiveness, and applied that
financially.
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Given it shall be given unto you.
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Deal, and it shall be given to you.
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In city after city, Payne and his
ministers pitch their program and
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millions of dollars.
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So if you want to start receiving, then
start giving. They would urge people,
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max out your credit cards. Get a new
mortgage on your house. Don't worry
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18 % interest. We're giving you 100%.
And pointing to all of their friends and
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family who were in the audience who
received those envelopes full of cash
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month.
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For many people, that became too much to
resist.
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We have a lot of folks realizing now,
after they put the $250 in and it
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to $500, they put it in and went to $1
,000, put it in and went to $2 ,000, put
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it in and went to $4 ,000. And tens of
thousands of people jump in, handing
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their hard -earned cash.
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This is my favorite picture of you.
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People like Mary Coy and Nancy Ross, who
have been friends for more than three
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decades. I think it was in 1974 when I
came to Orlando.
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I met Nancy at the time, and she
immediately became my best friend.
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It's a friendship that is firmly rooted
in faith.
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It is. It is our life, I think. Not
religion, but our faith and belief in
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In 1996, Nancy Ross is hoping to raise
money for a charity when a stockbroker
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recommends investing in Greater
Ministries. She hopes it is the answer
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prayers. And he fully convinced me that
this was a safe way to take my money out
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of the stock and put it into Greater
Ministries.
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Nancy learns that the church is making a
killing in diamond mines and offshore
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investments. And I believe there was a
diamond mine in Africa, but they were
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offshore gem investments.
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So I went into it full bore.
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Nancy cleans out her savings and hands
over $100 ,000.
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And just like clockwork, the 15th of the
month, we'd go to this house and we'd
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pick up cash, whatever we wanted.
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With the money rolling in, Nancy
encourages Mary to get in on the action.
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They had scripture that they used to
back up what they were doing, and we
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that they were feeding the poor and
housing the homeless.
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We've got 1 ,500 children in one home
over in Haiti, and we've got 1 ,400
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in Ocala we fed last week.
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This sort of interplay between a message
from the pulpit based in scripture.
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with seeing everyone around you getting
paid, and that becomes a little
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difficult to resist.
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You drop a lot of your defenses when all
your friends and family can show you
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the envelopes full of cash.
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This is a form that was used when we
first got involved.
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Coy mortgages her house and hands over
$80 ,000 to Greater Ministries.
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Which to me was a huge amount, because I
had been a single mother for years.
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Immediately, the cash comes in.
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Every month I would go and could pick up
several thousand dollars in cash. I
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mean, that would just boggle my mind
that I would be given cash.
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And like that, the word spreads.
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And you kind of trust people in your own
church.
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Audrey Wharton hears about greater
ministries in her church in Port
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Florida. Well, any time you can make
money and put a contribution or a
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or... In any way, help the religious
mission field. That's what Christians
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called to do.
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So it was almost a win -win.
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Audrey and her husband, David, buy in.
This one's $50 ,500.
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This says $25 ,000.
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They send in more than $100 ,000.
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And, as promised, the program pays.
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It was right on time, right on schedule.
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No reason to question it.
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By the late 90s, Greater Ministries is
pulling in cash from people all across
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the country.
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We heard about vaults full of cash. It
was a bank building, and there were at
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least two vaults, and that when the
money would come in every month, it
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literally fill the floor. You would sort
of wade through this room full of
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bills.
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And just like that, new investors are
hooked.
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Dizzying returns, wads of cash, and all
in the name of God.
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It seems almost too good to be true.
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Turns out, it was.
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I just thought, well, it sounds good.
And maybe this one really is good. Even
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though it looks too good to be true,
maybe this time it is.
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But I was wrong.
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You folks have got a lot.
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invested into God's kingdom.
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Gerald Payne is a preacher in a league
of his own.
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How many of you realize you are blessed
people?
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Amen. Hallelujah.
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Give God the glory.
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He runs a church out of an old bank
building and travels the country touting
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money doubling program.
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By 1995, Greater Ministries is pulling
in millions of dollars every month.
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There was something, at a very minimum,
very suspicious going on.
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But a church with that kind of cash flow
catches the attention of the IRS.
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Yes, over a period of two years, they
withdrew approximately $9 million from
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various banks in the Tampa Bay area.
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Special Agent Angelo Troncoso digs into
Greater Ministries' banking records and
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discovers huge sums of money passing
through the church.
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This one, for example, shows that there
was a cash out of $18 ,000.
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Why a church would need that volume of
cash to run its operations was a red
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for me.
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Troncoso suspects Greater Ministries is
up to no good.
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Takes his suspicions to U .S. Attorney
Bob Moszkowski.
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We found they were bringing in an awful
lot of money.
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So where is the money coming from?
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According to Greater Ministries, the
church pulls in millions from lucrative
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investments in diamond mines, gold
mines, and offshore trading.
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What we do is take the monies that you
give and we ship it overseas. We do what
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we call world trades with world banks.
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And we make 30 to 40 percent return on
our money each trade.
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Records indicate that Greater Ministries
poured millions into the African nation
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of Liberia.
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buying heavy machinery and land for
mining.
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But
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investigators
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don't buy those claims.
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These things don't exist.
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They talked about their lucrative mining
operations in Africa and other places.
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They tried to make those things real.
They never took a dime out of the
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No matter how much we looked, we
couldn't find any income -generating
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other than more investors putting more
money into the program.
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They had the gifting forms on their
website.
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Angelo Troncoso believes it is all a
facade, that there are no gold mines or
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overseas trades, just millions and
millions of dollars of cash trading
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It was predominantly a fraud.
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Oh, by the six, seven months into the
investigation, I was certain that it was
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Ponzi scheme.
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In a Ponzi scheme, money from new
investors is used to pay out old
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What they were doing was putting on a
facade of money -making activities,
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bringing in investors' money, and then
paying the earlier investors off with
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money coming in from the later
investors.
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The program collapses when there aren't
enough new investors to keep it afloat.
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You have to keep expanding the investor
base, or once that dries up, people are
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going to lose their money.
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While Troncoso and Mosokowski build
their case, church leaders continue to
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their program, and word spreads like
wildfire.
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I'm going to head on down towards
downtown.
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Making its way to Bill Smith in
Birmingham, Alabama.
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Of course, being in the Bible Belt.
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Birmingham in particular has been a very
spiritual city.
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I had heard about Greater Tampa
Ministries for six or seven years.
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And so I thought, well, we ought to look
into it, see what they're really doing.
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Smith talks it over with another
investor who shows him two years of
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He said that Greater Ministries had
allowed him to set up trust college
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for his grandchildren.
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and that he was getting a 5 % return on
his money every month.
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Like so many before him, Smith buys into
the dream.
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They would send me paperwork every month
showing, you know, what it had grown
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to.
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And I would put different amounts in
every month.
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Ultimately, Smith sends nearly $80 ,000.
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But after four months, his faith will be
put to the test.
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And I thought, no, this is not right.
Something's wrong.
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In July 1998, regulators shut down Best
Bank in Boulder, Colorado.
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With the bank's collapse, Greater
Ministries loses $20 million in
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deposits. And with that, the glass house
begins to crack.
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Sometimes you just have to wonder, well,
Lord, what really is happening?
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Three months later, the cash stops
flowing.
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So they lose about $20 million there,
and there is, from that day forward in
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July of 1998, this sort of desperate
search for new money so they can
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to pay out the old investors.
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And I ask that you get in the plan and
get in it with great gusto.
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If you give up on us now, you're going
to lose in the end when God really
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blesses us.
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In lieu of cash, some investors receive
promissory notes.
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One of the things they did was to give
us these greater trust non -transferable
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certificates, which was supposed to have
been redeemed in gold, as I recall.
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Yes. Gold bars or something.
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Greater Ministries tells investors to
hold on and keep the faith.
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But many start to wonder if they've been
duped. I thought, what am I going to
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do? What about all that money? I have a
house payment.
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Uh -oh.
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What now?
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We'll just have to trust in the Lord,
you know. And, well, I was hanging on
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my fingernails, trusting in the Lord,
but the money wasn't coming.
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When American greed returns, could the
investor's faith pay off?
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And later, a master jewel thief tells
all.
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I've had the boxes from the greater
ministry case brought up and put in
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and you can see there are about 80 of
them. Tom Krebs is an Alabama attorney
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former securities regulator.
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What's mostly said is that these files
represent, you know, broken dreams.
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That's what makes me mad.
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These are the depositions of Gerald
Payne.
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In 1999, Krebs takes up a case against
greater ministries after an investor
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named Bill Smith suspects he has been
defrauded.
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If I can find one here.
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Krebs discovers that Bill Smith is not
alone.
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These are names of people who were
victimized in the state of Georgia.
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just got the computer printouts on the
list of victims, and there are just
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thousands, tens of thousands of them.
The main thing was shutting them down.
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That's right.
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Greater Ministries has been operating a
Ponzi scheme under the cloak of religion
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for eight years.
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And now the money is running out, and
investors like Smith are about to pay
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price.
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All these people know them as thieves.
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It was a scam that was particularly
successful amongst a targeted group of
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people who wanted to believe it.
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And they were the sheep ready for
shearing.
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The religious fraud is probably the most
insidious.
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Krebs brings his case to Joe Borg, the
director of the Alabama Securities
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Commission. I've seen more money stolen
in the name of God than any other way.
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It's the worst form of con artistry that
you can imagine.
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Borg says religious scams are so
pervasive because the message comes from
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pulpit. But think about ministers and
those that are in the religious order.
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These are the folks you look up to and
trust.
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Krebs and Borg start building their
case, piece by piece.
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After we were gathering as much
information as we can, tons of bank
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trying to figure out where money was
going, verifying that, no, the church
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didn't own any cargo ships. They weren't
engaged in foreign currency
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transaction, and we found no evidence of
gold or silver or, you know, mines in
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Africa. The pair concludes it was all a
sham.
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The only source of the revenues was from
the investors.
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But in greater ministries, there was no
product.
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It was money going from the left hand to
the right hand, to the next left hand,
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to the next right hand.
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But for eight years, greater ministries
get away with it because they argue that
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the cash was a gift to the church and
not an investment.
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But people forget that these are
investments, and they are looking to get
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something back.
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This is not a gift.
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Call it what you will, but if you're
promised double your money in 17 months,
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you're getting a payment back.
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And selling investments requires a
license, a license that Gerald Payne
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have. They were breaking securities laws
in my state. The securities had to be
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licensed, and the persons who sold them
had to be licensed.
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As Alabama authorities build their civil
case, IRS agent Angelo Troncoso is
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closing in on Greater Ministries back in
Tampa.
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After a four -year investigation, a
grand jury hands down a 20 -count
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charging Gerald Payne and six church
elders with conspiracy.
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money laundering, and mail fraud.
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This is the residence of Gerald Payne.
On March 12, 1999,
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Angelo Troncoso moves in on Payne and
his wife Betty as they leave their
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They were arrested on that driveway.
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There was intelligence that we had that
Mr. Payne always carried a weapon in his
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car and a weapon in his boot.
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We found no weapon on Mr. Payne. We
found no weapon in the car.
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We did, however, find a .25 caliber
pistol in Betty Payne's purse.
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The church leaders are cuffed and
booked, and word travels quickly to
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Kittay, the legal advisor for Greater
Ministries.
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You can't raise that kind of money
without the government sticking their
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into it.
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Kittay says the government's case is
weak at best.
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I say talk's cheap.
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Show me your proof, because I can prove
otherwise.
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Just like they wanted to say that
Greater Ministries was a pyramid or
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scheme.
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It wasn't.
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Gerald Payne made his money by doing
international trades.
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Gattay heads to jail and bonds out the
church leaders.
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Almost immediately, they're back at it,
urging people to hand over their money
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despite a pending criminal trial.
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We're on our eighth year now. We don't
know if anybody's lost a dollar in our
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program. But it's not ours. It's God's.
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Well, they didn't care.
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Their spiel was, we're a religious
organization. We can do whatever it is
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want to do.
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I have nothing to hide. We're not doing
anything wrong.
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But the Bible says, cast not your pearl
before slime.
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They knew the end was near, and they
continued to take people's money at that
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point because somehow they thought the
rules didn't count.
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We saw it expanding. They were pulling
$18 million to $16 million down a month.
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And so it was growing like crazy, and we
had to shut it down quick in order to
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protect the people who were being
defrauded.
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A federal indictment isn't enough to
stop Gerald Payne.
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Krebs and Borg decide they need to shut
Greater Ministries down before more
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investors are fleeced.
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We actually convinced a federal judge
that we needed to stop the hemorrhaging.
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and he gave us the injunctions necessary
to take control of that building and
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those records.
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But this came after the Waco, Texas,
shootout, and the federal marshals were
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little bit apprehensive.
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They were concerned because it was a
bank building, and there was suspicion
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these folks were armed.
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The U .S. marshals called in
reinforcements.
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Around 7 p .m., an arsenal rolls down
Bird Street, and investigators storm
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Greater Ministries.
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So they stormed it basically with a SWAT
team and a tank.
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So it was a fairly dramatic entry.
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The team makes its way inside Greater
Ministries and begins a room -by -room
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search. They find heavy security and a
stash of weapons, postal boxes full of
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letters to investors, and a tape library
documenting more than 100 meetings.
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Altogether, it is an operation much
larger than investigators had
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Well, we ultimately found about $450
million taken from people from all over
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this country.
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The amazing thing to me today still is
how much money they made. $16
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million in August and $15 million in
September of 1997.
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Investigators find cash stashed
throughout the building.
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I, for example, opened a secretary's
desk, pulled it open, and there was
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$14 ,000 in cash, $100 bills.
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you know, tied up in a bundle in a
little bag.
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But when they crack open the vaults,
investigators discover that most of the
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money is gone.
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$1 ,100, $1 ,200, $1 ,300.
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They count just $40 ,000 in total.
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Internal records detail where much of
the money went, including millions of
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dollars in kickbacks paid to insiders
listed in the files as gas money.
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It is money to you for having brought
people into the faith promise plan.
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It's a commission.
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A 5 % commission that adds up to more
than $20 million.
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There's some people here who were
pulling down $161 ,000 in one month for
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commissions. The board of directors were
getting paid huge amounts of money.
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And a lot of money was squandered in bad
investments.
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To put it quite frankly, the con men
came out of the woodwork trying to
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funds from Gerald Payne to invest in
every scam imaginable.
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Greater ministries lost $20 million in
the best bank collapse and more than $12
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million in failed mining efforts in
Liberia. Con men are not exempt from
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conned, you know. And when the cash
began to run out... Greater Ministries
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trying to issue bonds and sell gold
coins and jewelry, anything to keep the
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money flowing.
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These are greater trust in God bonds,
guaranteed by God if you listen to them.
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Now, these are $100 and $500, $1 ,000,
all the way up to $50 ,000,
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which, of course, had absolutely no
value. We found where they had been
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gold coins and gold rings.
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You know, the greater trust in God logo
on the back.
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For weeks, investigators sift through
the wreckage until they uncover a set of
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documents, a possible escape plan.
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This is a package of documents that we
found inside the building dealing with
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their attempt to buy an island and make
it their own sovereign country. They
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called it Greater Royal Island.
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And this video, obtained by American
Greed, shows church leaders scouting an
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island off the coast of Honduras, just
days after the indictment was handed
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down. They wanted to create what they
called the ecclesiastical domain,
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to the Vatican, its own freestanding
state.
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Here are the things they would need.
They'd need some jeeps. They'd need some
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fuel tanks.
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A 22 -page plan details the setup and
operations of the land.
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You order the tools and equipment, order
security equipment, and then sixth
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step, import Filipinos, as you see right
here.
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Thirty Filipinos would be needed to
staff the island.
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That was going to be their labor pool.
They were going to import Filipino
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laborers to help them build all this so
they could have places to live.
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And then there is the security detail.
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The most disturbing part was the
security registry that they had.
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10 M16 rifles, 10 9mm machine pistols
with silencers, for obvious reasons,
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sniper rifles with scopes, 10 night
vision helmets.
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Investigators suspect Gerald Payne was
trying to flee before the scheme came
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crashing down.
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But now, he isn't going anywhere.
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When American Greed returns, will
Payne's next sermon be in federal
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For more information and special web
exclusives, log on to americangreed
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By 1999, the demise of Greater
Ministries International
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is making news around the nation.
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They invested on faith in a house of
worship by a man who claims to have God
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his side.
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The church pulled in hundreds of
millions of dollars from people all
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country. But on August 6th, the feds
shut it down.
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That was the end of greater ministries,
no question about that. We shut it at
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that point.
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It's news that is hard to take for many
who believe in Gerald Payne.
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We weren't the most popular people in
that community for a while.
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At that time, they still believed the
program.
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Outside the headquarters, crowds protest
and pray.
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I remember looking out the window and
somebody raising his fist, you know,
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pointing at us, and they were wearing
the God Squad shirts.
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But investigators can prove it was all a
fraud and continue to uncover evidence
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of heartbreaking losses.
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These are letters from victims to
greater ministries.
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He says, I gifted twice in 1998, $20
,500.
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And it so happens it was for me
everything I had.
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I'm 74 years old. I don't have rent
money or a place to live or food money.
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am I to do?
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I want these guys in a special place in
hell.
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I want to go to the hottest fire.
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They destroy dreams. They destroy lives.
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And remember, they did it in the name of
God.
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In January of 2001, Gerald Payne and
four church elders stand trial.
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Well, we're basically telling them it
was a Ponzi scheme, that they took in
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of investors' money, they made a lot of
false promises, and when the money dried
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up, the scheme collapsed.
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But according to the defense, there was
no fraud, because the money was a gift
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and not an investment.
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You see, this was a gifting program.
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You signed a form when you became a
member of Greater Ministries that any
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you gave was a gift.
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You had no expectations of a return
except how the Lord
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provided. They understood, but people
are greedy.
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Of course, you talk to everybody. No, we
were looking to get our, you know,
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twice our money back as promised by God
in the church.
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And perhaps the best evidence came from
Greater Ministries recordings.
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They videotaped every meeting they had.
It was great evidence.
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I mean, we did not have to worry about
proving what it is they told people in
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order to induce them to give their
money. It was very clear. You're getting
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double your money back in 17 months.
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The evidence is overwhelming.
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After seven weeks of trial, the verdict
is in.
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Guilty. At sentencing, Gerald Payne
receives 27 years behind bars.
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His co -defendants receive sentences
ranging from 11 years to 20 years.
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Gerald Payne now serves his time in a
federal prison in Minnesota.
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He has suffered five strokes and is in
poor health.
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But in a phone interview, he told
American Greed that he stands behind his
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program.
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We did nothing wrong, and we were
relying on the deity of God to take
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back. We did a good job of it for nine
or nine and a half years.
433
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:48,660
But that's not enough for the victims
who gave to the church and lost so much.
434
00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:51,800
I put in $79 ,850.
435
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,320
Around $150 ,000. About $66 ,000.
436
00:28:56,740 --> 00:29:00,280
Think about that half a billion dollars
in one scam.
437
00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:04,990
And when the dust settles, investors are
left to pick up the pieces.
438
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:11,270
My seed money for the future was gone,
and that's what was so heartbreaking.
439
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:12,910
I had to start from scratch.
440
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:19,170
Mary Coy and Nancy Ross are both forced
out of retirement to go back to work.
441
00:29:19,550 --> 00:29:23,490
I began working at Wycliffe Bible
Translators.
442
00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:26,670
At that time, I was 73 years old.
443
00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:30,230
And Audrey Wharton lost her son's
college fund.
444
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:34,840
all of his college fund, which would
have given him plenty of education money
445
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,720
for whatever he needed to do.
446
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,000
But we lost it, and there was not a
thing we can do.
447
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Greater Ministries wasn't the first scam
cloaked in religion, and it certainly
448
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,800
won't be the last.
449
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,660
Because wherever the money's around,
you're going to have thieves.
450
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,340
If it's too good to be true, it is.
451
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,680
Whoever says that you're going to double
your money in 17 months, turn around
452
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,660
and walk away. It's just not going to
happen.
453
00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:02,700
For these victims, their lives will
forever be altered, but one thing
454
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:03,700
unchanged,
455
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:04,980
their faith.
456
00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:08,520
God will take care of that, and he's
seen that we get through most
457
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,520
so we just keep believing.
458
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,500
I've only become stronger, so it has not
destroyed my faith at all. I think this
459
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:22,100
has been the testing that has brought a
deeper faith, a deeper understanding,
460
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920
and so my faith in him is really much
greater.
461
00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:28,730
Coming up next on American Greed.
462
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:34,170
Bill may have been the most successful
jewel thief ever. I love the thrill of
463
00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:36,390
it. I love the adrenaline rush.
464
00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:38,130
He robbed the rich and famous.
465
00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:43,710
He was driven to do this. This was in
his blood. He literally got high off of
466
00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:44,710
what he did.
467
00:30:57,870 --> 00:31:00,450
It's after midnight on Florida's Gold
Coast.
468
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:06,250
Fifteen stories above the beach, a man
clings to the side of a building,
469
00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:07,250
along the ledge.
470
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:14,430
I was standing, and I shimmied along,
holding on to the back of the ledge as
471
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:15,249
best I could.
472
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,250
Why is this man risking his life?
473
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:21,590
He knows that if he can make it to the
balcony at the end of the ledge, he'll
474
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:24,530
inside the apartment of one of the
world's richest men.
475
00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:26,650
That's where all the Jews were.
476
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:30,190
They are now elsewhere.
477
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:32,130
His name is Bill Mason.
478
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:37,290
After a life in the shadows, he's now
come clean as one of the world's most
479
00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:38,710
successful jewel thieves.
480
00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:44,010
With little more than a rope and nerves
of steel, the cat burglar took in more
481
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:45,990
than $10 million worth of jewels.
482
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:53,270
I loved the thrill of it. I loved the
adrenaline rush, and I got addicted
483
00:31:53,270 --> 00:31:54,189
to it.
484
00:31:54,190 --> 00:31:56,490
I could make a million dollars one
night.
485
00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:58,690
and start looking for another one the
next day.
486
00:31:59,890 --> 00:32:02,310
His targets are like a Hollywood's who's
who.
487
00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:06,170
Bill had no desire to rob celebrities.
488
00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:10,430
Lee Gruenfeld co -wrote Mason's
autobiography.
489
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:14,530
But as Willie Sutton once said about
robbing, why did you rob banks? He said,
490
00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:15,690
because that's where the money is.
491
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:19,450
As Mason sees it, greed runs the jewelry
trade.
492
00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:24,570
Mason says he fenced millions of dollars
of jewels through a respected jeweler.
493
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,020
who knew exactly what Mason was up to.
494
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,700
Oh, yeah, yeah, he knew what was up. I
mean, you know, he was, yes, he
495
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:34,300
definitely knew what was up.
496
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,100
And, you know, we could work out a
pretty good price.
497
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,800
Bill Mason says he has gone straight,
and he wants to teach others not to be
498
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,640
lulled into a false sense of security.
499
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,640
Everybody gets complacent. A lot of
times I would get up and rappel down to
500
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,080
various patios. I like patios.
501
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:58,030
People leave them open all the time.
People don't think that anybody can get
502
00:32:58,030 --> 00:33:00,450
there, so, you know, they're just
careless.
503
00:33:01,010 --> 00:33:05,350
These are some of the buildings that we
used to manage here. In Cleveland, Ohio,
504
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,630
where the story begins, Mason lives a
double life.
505
00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:10,550
By night, a jewel thief.
506
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:13,490
By day, an apartment manager.
507
00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:15,090
This was my day job.
508
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:17,890
And in Florida, I had another group down
there.
509
00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:22,330
I learned a lot about people's...
510
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,260
security thoughts. I learned a lot about
locks. I learned about buildings and
511
00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:29,380
how they work and how cameras work.
512
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,280
All the while, Mason is secretly on the
lookout for new victims.
513
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,360
It's easy to pick probably 10 prospects
out of this page here.
514
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,180
I mean, this woman's got a $200 ,000
necklace on.
515
00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:47,230
We were in Palm Beach once, and there
were about a dozen pictures of women at
516
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:51,190
some big gala. And he said, which one of
these do you think is worth going
517
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:56,110
after? And there were all these women
with just fabulous jewels. And then
518
00:33:56,110 --> 00:34:00,170
was this gorgeous woman with one elegant
strand of pearls.
519
00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:05,430
She was about, I don't know, 22 or 23,
and she was with a guy who was about 130
520
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:09,710
years old. And I picked everybody else,
and Bill said, that's the one you want.
521
00:34:10,139 --> 00:34:11,139
I said, why?
522
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,219
He said, because you think that she's
with him for love?
523
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:19,460
This guy is showering her with jewels,
and she's got enough elegance to only
524
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:23,060
wear a little bit while she's out at
this party. I guarantee you there's a
525
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:26,380
a million dollars worth of stuff back at
home. And that's the way he thought.
526
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:31,179
This kind of prospecting leads Mason to
his first big score.
527
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,440
She was on Mike Douglas in Cleveland
years and years ago, and she just had
528
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,440
of jewelry on.
529
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:41,560
She is the comedian Phyllis Diller.
530
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,840
Thank you, thank you very much. I'm so
glad you came here today.
531
00:34:46,219 --> 00:34:47,400
I love jewelry.
532
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,360
Big.
533
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,440
I had a 90 -carat star sapphire ring.
534
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,140
That's a biggie.
535
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,000
And then I had a lot of big, big rings.
I love big rings.
536
00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:07,220
After a gig in Cleveland, Miss Diller
goes back to her hotel room.
537
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:11,490
She turns on the lights and sees that
all her jewels are gone.
538
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:15,270
It was like a quarter of a million, all
white.
539
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:17,070
We're talking diamonds.
540
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:25,130
I made it so easy. How dumb this is. In
a cheap motel, in a top drawer, on a
541
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:27,430
towel, all lying there.
542
00:35:29,130 --> 00:35:31,350
We're talking Robbie Dummy.
543
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:35,010
The heist is big news in Cleveland.
544
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,100
And the pressure is on police to find
the thief. The trail quickly grows cold.
545
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:42,600
They never could figure out how I got
in.
546
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,580
Now that he's outlived the statute of
limitations, Bill Mason is willing to
547
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:48,558
about it.
548
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,380
Well, I hung up on the other building's
roof and watched with two binoculars,
549
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,480
you know, trying to see some movement
through the curtains.
550
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,020
Miss Diller is staying in a motel.
551
00:35:59,420 --> 00:36:02,620
Mason simply rappels down the roof onto
her balcony.
552
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,380
To Mason's surprise...
553
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:06,030
The patio door is open.
554
00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:09,870
I was in and out of there about five
minutes with, you know, walked out the
555
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:10,808
front door.
556
00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:14,550
He took a gold watch that was inscribed
from Bob Hope to me.
557
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:17,530
That was probably the thing I missed the
most.
558
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:23,470
Unfortunately, it was a Cartier watch,
and the
559
00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:27,830
only thing I could do was melt down the
back.
560
00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:33,430
I took the back off, got a new back, and
melt down the back, and then sold it
561
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:34,430
from there.
562
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
It was easy, and Mason was hooked.
563
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:43,720
When we returned, his heists get much
bigger, more daring, and more dangerous.
564
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,860
For cat burglar Bill Mason, the high
-rises of South Florida are giant jewel
565
00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:05,260
boxes. waiting to be pried open.
566
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,300
The building behind me is where Armand
Hammer lived on the 15th floor.
567
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:11,640
Armand Hammer is an oil baron.
568
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:16,560
Mason wants his girlfriend's diamonds,
so he decides to do what's worked for
569
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,180
in the past, getting in through the back
door.
570
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,460
I wanted to go in through the balcony
because I assumed the locks were locked
571
00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:26,420
the front door and the alarms were set.
572
00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:29,360
But how can he get to the balcony?
573
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:31,500
The answer comes to him in a flash.
574
00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:34,040
A ledge runs all around the building.
575
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,900
It's the green one up there.
576
00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:39,920
And it connects Hammer's apartment with
a vacant apartment next door.
577
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,480
The empty apartment has no alarm and a
cheap lock, which Mason easily picks
578
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,060
open. The apartment is now Mason's base
of operations.
579
00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:56,360
I came out of the 15th floor unit facing
south and walked around the ledge
580
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,640
over to the patio.
581
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,440
There was no safety precautions I could
take.
582
00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:05,200
Really, because there wasn't anything to
hang on to. I just sort of hung on to
583
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,420
the wall the best I could.
584
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:11,820
Finally, Mason gets to the patio where
fortune smiles upon him.
585
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,200
It was a great relief.
586
00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:16,840
And it was even a greater relief when I
found the door open.
587
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:21,140
The patio door is unlocked and opened a
crack.
588
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:24,820
Mason walks in and makes his way to the
master bedroom.
589
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,840
Almost everybody leaves them in their
bedroom.
590
00:38:27,850 --> 00:38:31,730
I figured there might be a safe in there
or something, some kind of security.
591
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:36,910
I mean, when you see that many jewels,
you know there's no safe around.
592
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:41,590
She's just laying them out on the
dressing table in a box, a jewelry box.
593
00:38:42,110 --> 00:38:45,930
Walked out the front door, walked down
the driveway, and found the beach.
594
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:53,450
Mason is made off with an estimated $600
,000 in jewels, and the police have no
595
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:54,450
suspects.
596
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:56,990
Mason thinks he's gotten away scot
-free.
597
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,560
But he's wrong.
598
00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:03,380
A short time later, Mason is caught
casing a Fort Lauderdale hotel.
599
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,240
They pounced on him. At the time, David
Damore is an assistant state's attorney.
600
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,100
And, of course, he had this large set of
keys and burglary tools with him, not
601
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:18,260
just the master keys, but he had some
pliers and he had some screwdrivers and
602
00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:22,020
several other things that normally a guy
walking around in shorts and a Hawaiian
603
00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:24,840
shirt is not going to carry if he's on
his day to the beach.
604
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:29,630
They came over and searched my house,
and they found $40 ,000 worth of
605
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:31,470
stolen jewelry, in the house.
606
00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:35,230
At the time, police think Mason is small
potatoes.
607
00:39:35,710 --> 00:39:38,070
They really didn't have any idea who
they had.
608
00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:41,210
The police just want to know where Mason
got the jewels.
609
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:47,770
He said, you know, if you tell us where
the jewels came from, we'll give you
610
00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:48,770
immunity.
611
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,300
They wanted to clean their books up and
at least be able to say, well, this is
612
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:57,060
who did that burglary and not have
another suspect necessarily on their
613
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,040
Mason can hardly believe his luck.
614
00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:03,860
So I got it in writing, and I thought,
boy, I'm home free.
615
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:09,620
Mason takes a driving tour with the
police and begins to point out his
616
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,920
And I think by the time he finished, you
know, there were dozens, maybe more
617
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,140
than dozens of locations which Bill had
pointed out, and he was immunized.
618
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,520
You know, he had what was known as
transactional immunity, could not be
619
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:28,380
prosecuted. I ran a list off on him,
about 13 jobs, and they about
620
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:29,540
got a coronary.
621
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,340
The list of jobs for which Mason takes
credit or blame includes the Arm and
622
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:36,340
Hammer heist.
623
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:41,500
Mason has played his cards well. He's
sentenced to a mere 90 days in county
624
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:43,120
and seven years of probation.
625
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:47,380
I did 90 days in jail. I did 77 of the
90 days.
626
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,460
Mason gets off easy, but a tiger can't
change his stripes.
627
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,140
Two years later, he's picked up on
suspicion of another burglary.
628
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,300
Now he's looking at several years in
prison.
629
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,080
This time, on the eve of trial, Mason
jumps Bond and flees into the night.
630
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,860
I was just fed up. I was fighting with
my wife all the time, and I just had it,
631
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,040
you know, and I...
632
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:16,280
It sounded like a good idea at the time.
I thought I'd move up to someplace and
633
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:22,640
bring my family along and we'd start a
new life. Well, it doesn't quite work
634
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,399
like that.
635
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,740
He was a federal fugitive.
636
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:32,080
For five years, Mason is on the run
until he runs into FBI Special Agent Art
637
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:38,440
Krinsky. I developed some informant
information that Bill Mason was in
638
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,440
Cleveland.
639
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:41,530
Mason is ratted out.
640
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:46,390
A tipster says exactly where he is. And
the cops catch up with Mason at
641
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:47,490
Cleveland's airport.
642
00:41:48,310 --> 00:41:50,510
So that's how we physically arrested
him.
643
00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:53,970
Cornered and with plenty of manpower.
644
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:59,550
Mason pleads guilty to one count of
grand larceny and is sentenced to five
645
00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:00,550
in prison.
646
00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:04,390
It may seem like a light sentence
considering all the people Bill Mason
647
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:08,670
victimized, but Mason feels his is a
cautionary tale.
648
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,800
If I'd have stayed on with the real
estate business and buying buildings
649
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,540
was, I'd probably have a couple hundred
units now bringing in a tremendous
650
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:23,680
amount of money. I wouldn't have lost my
first wife. I wouldn't have spent three
651
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,760
years in the joint, plus spent a lot of
money on lawyers and so on and so forth.
652
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:32,900
And I'd be much more of a content guy, I
guess.
653
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,880
Very little of the stolen lewd is
returned to victims.
654
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,040
The lion's share of the jewelry was
broken apart into loose stones and
655
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,760
through jewelers in New York and
Cleveland.
656
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,060
To potential victims, the jewel thief
says, you're not as safe as you think.
657
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,320
If you're going to flaunt a lot of
jewelry, somebody's going to see you
658
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,700
while. And, you know, maybe they won't
be as nuts as I used to be, but maybe
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they will, too.
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As for Mason's victims...
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One of his most famous now has second
thoughts about investing too much money
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jewels. I've learned about money
recently, just recently, like yesterday.
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Like, in other words, put your money
where it makes money, not where it's
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in the drawer waiting for Bill Mason.
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