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Hello, I'm Linda Ellerbe. I'm sure we
can all agree on the place in television
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history held by the show created right
here on stage seven. I am, of course,
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talking about Ellen. We've been breaking
new ground ever since we first aired
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back in 1959.
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Nothing like the smell of freshly ground
coffee.
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Ow, you're gonna hurt. Just wait till I
add the boiling water.
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Was being innovative always important to
you?
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Oh, absolutely, yeah. Back to when I
first started my career, when I started
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in vaudeville. I started out spinning
Waterford crystal, but the $2 ,000
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admission got a little expensive for
people.
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Did you go to school, stupid?
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Yeah, and I came out the same way.
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You're probably asking yourself, did you
go to school, stupid?
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Yeah, and I came out the same way.
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Didn't you go to school, stupid? Yes,
and I came out the same way.
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One day, I heard from this hitman that I
knew that ABC was developing a new show
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called Ellen.
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And it struck me that Ellen might be
right for this.
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This is her.
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This is our Ellen.
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What do you mean? Look at her. She's a
natural comedian.
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And I should know. I discovered Betty
Granville.
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How'd you like to star in your own
sitcom?
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Well, I told the temp agency I'd be
available through the end of the week,
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after that... So it's 1959, and fate has
brought you to your true calling, the
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situation comedy.
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I don't believe in fate, Linda. I think
it was something in the stars.
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But it seems like right from the start
you pushed the envelope.
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I mean, back in those days, shows like
Father Knows Best and Donna Reed were
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norm. And here you were, a single woman
making her own way in the world.
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The pilot episode was magnificent.
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Well, it's funny you should mention
that, Linda, because the original pilot
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we shot was really quite different.
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Holly, I'm home.
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Hello, dear. How was your day?
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Super fantastic.
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I was having lunch with some of the
fellas, and they told me about a great
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investment. Oh, it all sounds so
exciting.
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Perhaps we should leave these two
lovebirds alone.
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Toodles. Ta. Ta, chum.
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You know, sweetums, if this thing works
out, we can finally start a nest egg,
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and then we can begin that family we've
been talking about.
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Oh, but dear, the family we've been
talking about is the Millers next door.
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What's your investment?
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I have one word for you.
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Asbestos.
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It's the fabric of the future.
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It's a funny -looking thing.
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It's a miracle is what it is. It's the
best idea since nuclear power.
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It's beautiful. It's completely
fireproof. Why, it's perfect for drapes,
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Baby pajamas?
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I like the way it makes dust when you
rub it together.
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I'm taking all our money out of the bank
and I'm investing it in this. We'll be
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rich, Lambchop. Rich and clothed in the
finest asbestos.
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Well, I was thinking about our money,
too, dear. And I was reading about a new
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stock for a small typewriter company
called Ibm. It's spelled IBM.
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And the stock is only 50 cents a share.
And if we reinvest our dividends, a long
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-term prospect... What were you reading
about this? The back of a cake box?
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No, no, silly. You leave investments to
me.
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Oh, it makes a nice napkin.
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Wipe your face, dear.
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So they showed the pilot to audiences,
but they just didn't like Ellen being
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married. In those days, I was linked
publicly with a lot of men.
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A lot.
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Elvis, Hugh Beaumont, a couple of the
Kennedys.
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But my fans just didn't want to see
Ellen tied down.
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Although Jack Kennedy disagreed.
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So you had to reshoot the pilot?
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Yeah. I don't know what happened to the
guy who played my husband.
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Last I heard, he was tending bar in
Boston, but that was a couple of years
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Well, you know, Ellen was responsible
for the big break in my career. I was
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one of a thousand comics out there on
the circuit telling jokes, pounding
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and hitting on waitresses in every two
-bit town, it seemed, from New Haven to
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Midland, Odessa.
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She hired me to help warm up the
audiences that came in to see her
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show.
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She also told me to change my name.
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She didn't think Eddie Stenchwagon was a
good name for a comic.
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So I start doing the warm -ups. But to
tell you the truth, man, I sucked.
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I mean, I couldn't buy a laugh at a
nitrous oxide convention.
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So one night I drop the act and I just
start asking questions.
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Who's sexually impotent?
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What's the best way to flatten your abs?
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Well, I mean, they go nuts. I'm running
around like a maniac, shoving
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microphones in people's faces, and
they're eating it up.
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Ellen sees this, makes a phone call, and
the next thing I know, I get a daytime
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talk show.
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Unbelievable.
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And the person I have to thank for this
is Ellen DeGeneres.
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So you were a single woman on television
before Marlo Thomas, before Mary Tyler
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Moore. It seems like the Ellen show was
innovative right from the start.
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Absolutely. And people don't realize
that we were the first show where
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characters got trapped in a meat locker,
where someone has two dates on the same
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night, you know, where someone learned a
valuable lesson. And who can forget the
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pioneering work that your show did in
the area of identical evil twin cousins?
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We got a patent.
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That must have been very hard for you,
playing both parts.
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It would have been impossible.
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Fortunately, I actually have an evil
twin cousin.
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Oh, it's true. No, she really did have
an evil twin.
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Helen.
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I hated working with her, though.
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I mean, she was as mean as a polka with
a staple in its eye.
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She killed a cameraman once because he
was out of cigarettes.
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In her defense, I must say, he wasn't a
very good cameraman, but still, I mean,
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it was uncalled for. The studio covered
the whole thing up, but, um... No, it
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was a different time.
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You could kill people on the crew back
then.
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It really was the golden age of
television.
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It seems as if Ellen mania reached its
peak with the young people in the late
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60s. There were Ellen lunch pails, Ellen
shrinky dinks, and the stores couldn't
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keep these Ellen dolls on the shelves.
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You're far out. Want to come to my
party?
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Neil Armstrong is groovy.
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Hey, don't forget the Saturday morning
cartoon, Ellen and Her Fun Bunch with
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Harlem Globetrotters in outer space.
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They're Ellen and her fun bunch in outer
space.
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They met the day that aliens destroyed
the human race. But somehow they
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and got onto a ship that was headed into
orbit for a far out groovy trip.
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There's Mr.
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Teenage Doctor.
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And Pinch who has great hair.
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Ellen is their leader.
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Joe and Arby both are there.
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They use their groovy ray guns and
sometimes their guitars to zap out all
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space ghosts from Jupiter to Mars.
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There's Ellen and her fun bunch with the
Highland Globetrotters in Outer Space.
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When I was little, I had so much Ellen
stuff. I mean, well, the lunchbox, of
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course, and the little paper dolls, you
know, and, oh, those, the Ellen
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-shaped vitamins. Every Saturday
morning, I would wake up at 6 and watch
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cartoon.
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They had this breakfast cereal at the
time, Sugar Ellen Loops. And I would
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a huge bowl, and I would just watch and
laugh and watch and laugh so hard
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that I just poured milk all over my
Ellen PJs.
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You know, I bet I can remember every
word to that song.
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There's Ellen and her fun bunch in outer
space.
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They...
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Wild and crazy.
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There's more. There's more. There's way
more.
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The first time that we met, Ellen was
one of those celebrity marriage
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enhancement seminars. She was leading
it. Yeah, it was us. It was John Tesh
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Connie Selica and Larry King and number
four or five. I can't remember which.
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And she taught us to be completely open,
completely honest with each other.
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Right, right. For instance, Mary has a
story about how we went to her mother's
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house for Thanksgiving the first time.
Oh.
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And thanks to Ellen, Sina, I can say to
Mary, that story is boring.
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And it's okay.
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You think that story's boring?
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This is perfect.
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Yes. Yes, it's boring. I mean, it's not
funny. And the finish is the dog licking
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the turkey. I mean, how's that
interesting?
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Okay, well, I thought it was
interesting.
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I thought you liked it. I told it for
that reason.
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No, no, no, no, no. I do like it. I love
it. No, you just said it was boring.
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Not boring, boring. More soothing.
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It was soothing.
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You should tell it. Come on, tell it.
They don't want to hear that silly,
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old story. Come on, they're dying to
hear it, Mary. Come on, aren't you?
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Well, it is kind of cute.
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All right. The thing that you have to
know is that the dog was a diabetic.
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Okay. It's great. You're going to love
it. It really is.
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So all that fun with cartoons and
lunchboxes was great, but it belied the
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that there were dark undercurrents
moving in America at that time.
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Yes, and I was determined to change the
show to reflect what was going on.
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The 60s was a turbulent era. War,
racism, unrest, difficult subjects for
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Yeah. Thank God we had the ridiculous
clothes.
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Hey, people, what do you think?
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Let Saigon's be bygones. Hey, that's
great.
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Yeah. What do you think about ours?
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Say nay to palm.
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Yeah. Why don't you work something in
about boycotting grapes?
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Hey, Audrey, did I tell you that Ellen
and I burned our bras today?
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Yeah. Now we have to find a new way to
sneak beers into the movies.
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Actually, my bras are too pretty. I just
burned a sock.
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Well, sisters, while you were out
burning symbols of the white patriarchal
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establishment, I got an abortion.
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Which I'm sure was a hard choice, but
ultimately yours to make.
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I was a lifelong liberal.
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Well, except for the time I voted for
Barry Goldwater. Hell, we all knew crazy
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things to get laid.
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So when Ellen said to me that she wanted
the character of the father to change
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to this conservative dope, I was against
it. But then she explained that doing
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this would help to unmask the political
right for what they are.
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Reactionaries with a secret agenda to
curtail our freedom. Well, you know,
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she explained it that way, I could see
it was the right thing to do.
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Plus, my contract was up for renewal.
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And those bitches at the studio really
played hardball with me.
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Oh, jeez.
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If it isn't Big Red and the fellow
travelers.
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Why don't you call me Simpleton, stop
protesting, and do something useful for
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change, like shutting your yaps.
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Daddy, war is not healthy for children
and other living things. Oh, yeah? Well,
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let me tell you something else that's
not healthy.
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Peter!
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Hey,
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hey, kids!
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Kids, come on out! While you were gone,
I adopted some kids.
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Uh,
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kids, this is Peter.
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With shaking age, it's orange.
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Uh, well, I just got back from Saigon.
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It's a really rotten war, kids.
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Oh, and if anyone pops a balloon around
me, I'll probably kill everyone in the
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room. So,
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you went to Vietnam, stupid?
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Yeah, and he came back the same way.
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Since those days in the early 70s, I
believe it was, I have always been
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impressed by Ellen's commitment to
social causes. You know, whether it's
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with the president or flying on the
Concorde to Paris to discuss world
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Oh, oh, oh, I can't say enough about the
car. The great car she donated to our
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Meals on Wheels program.
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I mean, last night we almost had it up
and running, but we got too tired. And
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that's when, of course, I selfishly
turned in. a couple of hours of sleep,
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Ellen, Ellen was still hard at work,
this time saving the rainforest.
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Well, not actually saving the
rainforest, but talking about it while
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in a hot tub with Sting.
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The show's biting social satire of the
early 70s was eventually pushed aside.
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America was reinventing itself.
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And as the country moved into the
hormone -charged 80s, your show once
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seemed... A step ahead of it,
transforming itself into what TV Guide
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sexiest show on television.
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That's probably because of all the sex
we were having with the reporters from
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Guide. As I recall, the network wanted
to pull the plug.
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Ah, and then ABC learned a lesson.
Unlike television executives, many
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like sex.
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You have to help me out here. I told
Megan I'd sleep with her at night, but
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I picked up Candy at the Royal Rabbit,
and she is hot to trot.
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Candy doesn't know that I'm living with
a woman, so here.
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You put this on, she'll think you're me.
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All right, but this is the eighth and
final time I'm doing this.
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Ooh, Sven, you're naughty.
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Well, come closer. I can hardly see you
way over there.
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Are you hungry? Do you want something to
eat?
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The only thing I'm hungry for is you.
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Oh, no.
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Unhook my bra.
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Um, okay, I think I've got a tool for
that in the garage. I'll be right back.
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Oh, Spence, unhook my bra.
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All you women have the same catchphrase?
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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And after a couple of years of that, we
all got pretty exhausted, so we decided
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to go a whole different way with the
show.
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And that brings us up to the president.
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what was undoubtedly one of the most
groundbreaking events in the history of
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television. Yeah, of course, you're
talking about the episode where I wore
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chicken suit.
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No, I'm talking about the one referred
to as the puppy episode.
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Of course.
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Over 40 million people watched that
show. Boy, if I'd have known we'd get
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kind of number, I would have called it
the everybody who's watching, please
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me a dollar episode.
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It truly was a remarkable television
event.
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Let's take a look.
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Are you saying what I think you're
trying to say?
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What do you think I'm trying to say?
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Oh, I'm not going to say it again and be
wrong. No, you're not wrong. You're
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right.
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This is so hard, but I think I've
realized
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that I am... I can't even say the word.
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Why can't I say the word? I mean, why
can't I just say...
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I mean, what is wrong? Why do I have to
be so ashamed? I mean, why can't I just
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say the truth? I mean, be who I am. I'm
35 years old.
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There you have it.
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History. And I couldn't be prouder.
Wait, that wasn't it.
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Of course it was. It was the first time
on television somebody was honest about
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their age.
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35 years old.
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I can't tell you the freedom I felt when
I said those words.
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But I... Well, everybody thought I was
younger, but I thought it was time for
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to be honest about my age and help other
35 -year -olds out there who couldn't
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admit it, especially the kids.
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But there's the part coming up where you
tell her you're gay.
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Right. I'll tell you what, that age
thing really, really changed a lot of
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people's lives.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought
telling people you were gay was the
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point of the episode.
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Really? No. No, that's just the spin the
network put on it. They're gay crazy
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over there.
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But don't you see how groundbreaking it
was to have your character come out?
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Not really. No more groundbreaking than
it was to stay pregnant on television. I
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mean, 20 years from now, it's going to
be one big fat so what.
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Well, I guess I missed the whole point.
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Don't worry about it. It was subtle.
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There is one more thing I'd like to do.
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Bring him in.
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Knuckles.
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Oh, Knuckles.
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It's so good to see you. Look at me. I
know the audience would like to see you
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do some of your act.
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Really? Well, what do you say, Knuckles?
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You want to do the old act, stupid?
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We never did it any other way.
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Heartwarming.
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We done?
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Cut. Can someone take him? He smells
funny.
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That's a wrap.
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And so it goes.
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Ellen and I go back to right after the
war.
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We worked together on The Great White
Way.
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That's Broadway for those of you in
podunk.
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We were both chorus girls in a musical
comedy about the Hindenburg disaster.
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The reviews simply said, oh, the
humanity.
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But we didn't care. We gals had a blast
in the Big Apple. Anyway, I ran into
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Ellen a few weeks ago at Tiffany's. She
even talked me into doing one of the old
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numbers. After all these years, our gam
still had some kick left.
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I'm now the proud owner of $40 ,000
worth of broken goblets. But, hey, you
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put a price on memories.
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Bright and kooky and gay.
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Who goes a different way? Who finally
came out with friends? Who, who, who?
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Ellen.
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Spence and Paige and Audrey and Joe. All
suspected, but they didn't know.
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They had to wait till the end of the
show for her to come out of the closet.
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Who got a lesbian smile?
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Who's got a lesbian style?
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Who's happy and healthy and gay? Who,
who, who?
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Ellen.
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She's happy and healthy and gay.
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Ellen,
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Ellen, you groovy gal.
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Here we go.
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And action.
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I said I would.
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I used to work with Ellen and Dave.
Actually, I opened for them. They were
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the... funniest people I ever met.
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Really, seriously, and I've met a lot of
people, but you talk, they were
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humorous. We were on the circuit
together.
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We lived out of a suitcase, and then
afterwards, when things got going pretty
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good, we put the clothes in the suitcase
and lived in a room.
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We'd do that.
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I remember one night, it was me, Ellen,
Dave, and Tommy Kirsch.
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What a guy. He used to like to spin live
animals, you know.
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Put them up on the stick like this. They
get the little prairie dogs, you know.
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And he'd keep 12 of them going at the
same time.
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Then he'd introduce a hawk and they'd
come down and get them.
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So anyway, we were kind of having a few
one night. And Ellen says, I got an
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idea.
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Why don't we go up on the water tower
here in Dubuque and moon the entire
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So we did.
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And I'm up there.
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Great.
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It was kind of cold that night. So I had
backed into the metal.
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Tower there, and the whole right cheek.
It's still up there on the tower. I
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think it's under the queue.
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Yeah, this right here. See this, huh?
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Solid plastic.
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Yep.
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There you go.
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And then what happened next really
astounded me.
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It's the other cheek.
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Oh my God.
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Shut up.
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