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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:07,841 [intriguing music playing] 2 00:00:07,924 --> 00:00:11,720 I have... not two different brains. I have, like, computers in my head, 3 00:00:12,429 --> 00:00:14,264 and sometimes they work against me. 4 00:00:15,181 --> 00:00:17,392 I have one computer talking to you right now, 5 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:22,981 and there's another one going on with me thinking something completely different. 6 00:00:23,940 --> 00:00:26,151 And then there's a third one sometimes. 7 00:00:26,234 --> 00:00:28,778 If I wanted to tap into it, I could. 8 00:00:29,988 --> 00:00:33,366 And so, it's difficult for me sometimes to pay attention to things. 9 00:00:34,659 --> 00:00:37,620 It's bothered me through the years because all I wanted to be was normal. 10 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:38,830 I wanted to fit in. 11 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:42,250 But... I deal with it 12 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:47,255 because... that's who you are. Just deal with it, Vince. 13 00:00:47,338 --> 00:00:50,842 It doesn't matter whether you want to be this way, want to be that way. 14 00:00:50,925 --> 00:00:54,220 Here's where you are. You're different. Be different. 15 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:57,223 And you know the expression, "Fuck the world." So... 16 00:00:58,308 --> 00:00:59,768 That's where I am now. 17 00:00:59,851 --> 00:01:02,270 [interviewer] What's the other brain thinking about now? 18 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:07,108 Um... something having a lot of fun, uh... 19 00:01:07,192 --> 00:01:09,152 and it's involving sex. 20 00:01:17,869 --> 00:01:19,913 [music fades] 21 00:01:35,678 --> 00:01:38,515 {\an8}[crowd cheering] 22 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:39,933 {\an8}WrestleMania. 23 00:01:41,017 --> 00:01:41,851 {\an8}Every year... 24 00:01:41,935 --> 00:01:43,061 {\an8}[crowd continues cheering] 25 00:01:43,144 --> 00:01:44,187 {\an8}Shut up! 26 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:47,816 [crowd exclaims] 27 00:01:47,899 --> 00:01:50,652 Coming out of the Attitude Era and into the 2000s, 28 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:55,448 {\an8}Vince McMahon was still a hugely important on-screen character for the company. 29 00:01:55,532 --> 00:01:58,910 {\an8}But without Austin, they were always in search of something for him to do. 30 00:01:59,410 --> 00:02:00,453 [bell rings] 31 00:02:00,537 --> 00:02:02,622 And now it is time 32 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:08,920 for the Battle of the Billionaires, Hair vs Hair match! 33 00:02:09,003 --> 00:02:10,755 ♪ Money, money, money, money ♪ 34 00:02:10,839 --> 00:02:12,465 [announcer] Here comes the money man! 35 00:02:12,549 --> 00:02:14,467 Look at that man right there, Donald Trump. 36 00:02:15,552 --> 00:02:19,055 [McMahon] So many celebrities come into our business and have a blast. 37 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:20,598 And Donald was one of them. 38 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:23,685 Donald had always been a fan. 39 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:26,479 So, I went to Donald, and I said, 40 00:02:26,563 --> 00:02:28,022 {\an8}"I have this idea." 41 00:02:28,857 --> 00:02:33,653 "What if we each have a wrestler that represents us at WrestleMania?" 42 00:02:34,237 --> 00:02:38,658 And if Donald Trump loses, then I shave his head. 43 00:02:38,741 --> 00:02:41,369 Of course, if I lose, same thing. 44 00:02:42,036 --> 00:02:44,873 {\an8}The Donald Trump-Vince McMahon Battle of the Billionaires Feud, 45 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:47,250 it was the biggest pay-per-view audience 46 00:02:47,333 --> 00:02:49,419 in the history of pro wrestling pay-per-view. 47 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:52,255 It was a giant, giant attraction. 48 00:02:52,338 --> 00:02:54,591 [announcer 1] Hey, look at this! Donald Trump! 49 00:02:54,674 --> 00:02:57,427 [announcer 2] Trump! Donald Trump taking down Vince McMahon! 50 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:58,511 [announcer 1] Oh my God! 51 00:02:58,595 --> 00:03:00,889 I was entertained by Trump when he was on the show. 52 00:03:00,972 --> 00:03:02,515 Come on up here. 53 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:05,476 [Meltzer] His ability to speak to wrestling fans was excellent. 54 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,606 To me, they look like a very smart group of people. 55 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:10,565 [crow cheering] 56 00:03:10,648 --> 00:03:12,692 He was kind of perfect for the role. 57 00:03:12,775 --> 00:03:15,570 [crowd chanting] Donald Trump! Donald Trump! 58 00:03:15,653 --> 00:03:18,198 [crowd cheering] 59 00:03:18,948 --> 00:03:20,033 Get out of here. 60 00:03:20,116 --> 00:03:23,494 [Bob Costas] In truth, Donald Trump's sensibility and public persona 61 00:03:23,578 --> 00:03:27,248 is much closer to that of a wrestler 62 00:03:27,332 --> 00:03:28,583 than to a statesman. 63 00:03:28,666 --> 00:03:30,543 {\an8}Throw him the hell out of here. 64 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:33,588 {\an8}I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you. 65 00:03:33,671 --> 00:03:36,132 {\an8}[McMahon] Our fingerprints are on so many things in the world. 66 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:38,384 Politics, absolutely, my God. 67 00:03:38,468 --> 00:03:41,346 Why wouldn't you want to be like WWE? 68 00:03:41,429 --> 00:03:43,890 I can do whatever the hell I want. 69 00:03:43,973 --> 00:03:46,559 I have the right to do whatever I want as president. 70 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:48,895 This is what we do. 71 00:03:48,978 --> 00:03:51,606 We present larger-than-life characters 72 00:03:51,689 --> 00:03:54,651 making outlandish statements that make people go, 73 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:57,570 "Oh my God, I can't believe he said that." 74 00:03:57,654 --> 00:03:58,571 [indistinct] 75 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:00,365 [Sharon Mazer] Donald Trump is an example 76 00:04:00,448 --> 00:04:04,911 of what seems to be a kind of pro-wrestlingification 77 00:04:04,994 --> 00:04:07,705 of American politics and American society. 78 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:11,376 [Meltzer] If you're gonna look at the influence of Vince McMahon 79 00:04:11,459 --> 00:04:13,378 and pro wrestling on culture, 80 00:04:13,461 --> 00:04:17,715 man, we elected a president that... that was playing a pro wrestler on TV. 81 00:04:17,799 --> 00:04:19,300 [crowd cheering] 82 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:22,470 I don't know if it's Trump being Trump or he learned from wrestling, 83 00:04:22,553 --> 00:04:25,682 but I see similarities between Trump and Vince McMahon. 84 00:04:25,765 --> 00:04:27,600 -[announcer 1] Oh no! -[announcer 2] Oh my God. 85 00:04:27,684 --> 00:04:29,018 [announcer 1] Oh my God! 86 00:04:29,102 --> 00:04:30,812 [crowd cheering] 87 00:04:32,563 --> 00:04:37,777 [John Cena] Mr. McMahon, he is the best WWE personality ever. 88 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:41,239 But after the Attitude Era, 89 00:04:41,322 --> 00:04:42,699 like, Mr. McMahon was... 90 00:04:43,658 --> 00:04:46,160 a more selectively-used character. 91 00:04:46,244 --> 00:04:48,538 [crowd cheering] 92 00:04:48,621 --> 00:04:52,125 ♪ No chance That's what you've got ♪ 93 00:04:54,252 --> 00:04:56,629 [Brian Gewirtz] During the Ruthless Aggression Era, 94 00:04:56,713 --> 00:04:59,549 we were always trying to pitch Vince to have a midlife crisis 95 00:04:59,632 --> 00:05:01,843 and become crazy or something like that. 96 00:05:02,427 --> 00:05:05,471 But Vince wanted to go another way, which is, "What if someone kills me?" 97 00:05:05,555 --> 00:05:07,181 And we're like, "Okay." 98 00:05:07,265 --> 00:05:08,683 [crowd cheering] 99 00:05:08,766 --> 00:05:13,646 [Gewirtz] So he cut a very cryptic, weird, un-Mr. McMahon-like promo in the ring. 100 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:15,732 -Thank you. -[announcer] Something's not right. 101 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:18,693 [Gewirtz] Then made this long walk backstage, 102 00:05:19,277 --> 00:05:20,778 passing all the talent, 103 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:24,449 and then got into his limo... paused. 104 00:05:24,532 --> 00:05:26,784 Vince is big on pauses for dramatic effect. 105 00:05:27,327 --> 00:05:29,078 [loud explosion] 106 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:31,039 [Gewirtz] And then the limo explodes. 107 00:05:31,706 --> 00:05:33,708 The edit was perfect. 108 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:38,087 And many individuals called, you know, the office, "Is Vince okay?" 109 00:05:39,130 --> 00:05:41,674 {\an8}[Gewirtz] Vince wanted to treat it like real life. 110 00:05:41,758 --> 00:05:43,676 The website was reporting it was real, 111 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,803 and the announcers were somber. 112 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:48,222 And in fact, from what I've heard, 113 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:51,851 Donald Trump called up Vince's office to make sure Vince was okay. 114 00:05:52,685 --> 00:05:56,230 {\an8}So, that became a very controversial storyline. 115 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:59,776 {\an8}But certain tragic circumstances in real life happened 116 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:01,903 that forced us to stop that storyline. 117 00:06:03,446 --> 00:06:04,655 [McMahon] Good evening. 118 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,158 {\an8}Tonight's storyline was to have been the... 119 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:11,120 {\an8}alleged demise of my character, Mr. McMahon. 120 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:15,625 However... in reality, 121 00:06:17,043 --> 00:06:21,964 WWE superstar Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and their son, Daniel 122 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:23,591 are dead. 123 00:06:25,009 --> 00:06:28,054 Chris Benoit was thought of an excellent in-ring performer. 124 00:06:28,137 --> 00:06:30,056 [announcer] He's done everything in this business. 125 00:06:30,139 --> 00:06:33,726 {\an8}He's been a world champion. He's one of the greatest of all time. 126 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:35,603 And as far as we knew, a great guy. 127 00:06:36,604 --> 00:06:38,106 [Gewirtz] When a wrestler passes away, 128 00:06:38,189 --> 00:06:41,734 Raw the next night would become like a tribute to that individual. 129 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:44,070 So, we did one for Chris that night. 130 00:06:44,153 --> 00:06:47,949 {\an8}Tonight... will be a tribute to Chris Benoit. 131 00:06:48,533 --> 00:06:50,535 {\an8}[Gewirtz] And then while that show was airing, 132 00:06:50,618 --> 00:06:52,286 {\an8}we started to get the details 133 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:56,416 of what had actually happened and what Chris had done. 134 00:06:57,166 --> 00:07:01,254 [reporter] There is new information in the death of pro wrestler Chris Benoit. 135 00:07:01,337 --> 00:07:04,298 Authorities in Georgia say it was no accident. 136 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:08,428 Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered their seven-year-old son, 137 00:07:08,511 --> 00:07:10,972 and then hanged himself in their home. 138 00:07:11,597 --> 00:07:14,183 [Cena] When the instance with Chris Benoit happened, 139 00:07:14,267 --> 00:07:15,852 the murder-suicide, 140 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:19,105 that rocked the very foundation of the WWE. 141 00:07:19,188 --> 00:07:23,317 [reporter 1] The Benoit tragedy put McMahon and his WWE 142 00:07:23,401 --> 00:07:24,777 back under the microscope. 143 00:07:25,611 --> 00:07:28,406 Allegations of steroid and drug abuse. 144 00:07:28,489 --> 00:07:31,492 [reporter 2] Speculation began that roid rage might have been 145 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:33,995 behind what happened that fateful weekend. 146 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:37,832 [Bret Hart] They were just pinning this whole thing on steroids. 147 00:07:37,915 --> 00:07:41,502 All I know is steroids generally don't make you kill your whole family 148 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:42,962 and do all that kind of stuff. 149 00:07:43,045 --> 00:07:45,631 There is no correlation between taking steroids 150 00:07:46,215 --> 00:07:48,217 and what happened to Chris Benoit. 151 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:50,553 Human beings are flawed. 152 00:07:50,636 --> 00:07:52,013 Chris went nuts. 153 00:07:52,096 --> 00:07:56,184 It happens in every form of life in everything. 154 00:07:56,267 --> 00:07:58,728 So, that's the only thing I can take away from it. 155 00:08:00,229 --> 00:08:02,148 -[man 1] You got it? -[man 2] Hold on. 156 00:08:03,691 --> 00:08:05,568 -And got it. -[man 1] Okay. 157 00:08:06,068 --> 00:08:08,696 {\an8}[Nowinski] I was first a fan of Chris Benoit. 158 00:08:08,779 --> 00:08:11,157 {\an8}Then I got to meet him when I started wrestling. 159 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,743 I debuted in 2002. 160 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:14,744 [crowd cheering] 161 00:08:14,827 --> 00:08:18,206 [Lilian Garcia] Making his way to the ring, Christopher Nowinski! 162 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:21,000 [announcer] The Harvard graduate. This guy's great, JR. 163 00:08:21,083 --> 00:08:26,130 [Nowinski] But about a year later, I got a concussion that ended my career. 164 00:08:27,215 --> 00:08:31,135 Everyone back in 2003, 2004 thought concussions were bullshit, 165 00:08:31,219 --> 00:08:32,595 and that I was just weak. 166 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:34,889 And so, this idea started that, 167 00:08:34,972 --> 00:08:38,059 "You know, I'm gonna dig in more to this concussion research 168 00:08:38,142 --> 00:08:42,188 and try to take a stab at changing the world's culture on concussions." 169 00:08:42,772 --> 00:08:46,859 When I heard about Chris Benoit, I was just certain, 170 00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:48,528 based on the way he wrestled, 171 00:08:48,611 --> 00:08:50,488 that he probably had CTE. 172 00:08:51,072 --> 00:08:53,449 CTE is "chronic traumatic encephalopathy." 173 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:57,995 It's a degenerative brain disease caused by repetitive hits to the head. 174 00:08:58,079 --> 00:09:04,835 We see problems with emotion, behavior, disinhibition, aggression, and depression, 175 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:09,048 and symptoms get worse over time as your brain is essentially rotting away. 176 00:09:10,132 --> 00:09:13,970 But in 2007, no one had ever heard of CTE. 177 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:17,348 I saw Vince McMahon go on The Today Show 178 00:09:17,431 --> 00:09:20,184 and give his explanation for what he thought happened. 179 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:22,979 There was no way of telling this man was a monster. 180 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:26,148 He framed it as, "We didn't know what kind of monster Chris was." 181 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:29,527 And I thought that it was the disease that was the monster. 182 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:31,070 It wasn't Chris. 183 00:09:31,153 --> 00:09:34,365 {\an8}So, I ended up calling Chris's father, 184 00:09:34,991 --> 00:09:38,828 {\an8}and he, through tears, agreed to let us study his brain. 185 00:09:38,911 --> 00:09:41,789 A doctor who studied tissue from Benoit's brain 186 00:09:41,872 --> 00:09:45,376 says the wrestler suffered extensive brain damage from his years in the ring. 187 00:09:45,459 --> 00:09:49,005 [reporter 1] They went on to say Benoit's brain was the worst they'd seen. 188 00:09:49,088 --> 00:09:52,258 [reporter 2] We contacted World Wrestling Entertainment. 189 00:09:52,341 --> 00:09:54,885 They sent along a statement saying the analysis 190 00:09:54,969 --> 00:09:58,639 that concussions might have led to Benoit's murderous rampage 191 00:09:58,723 --> 00:10:01,183 was speculative, and went on to say, 192 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:03,227 "We respect the desire of that father 193 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:06,063 to do whatever he can to find some explanation." 194 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:09,817 [McMahon] This doctor came up with this ridiculous statement of, 195 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:12,361 "Okay, here's why Chris Benoit did this." 196 00:10:12,445 --> 00:10:14,530 "Caused some sort of trauma to his head." 197 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:17,325 Things were shown where Chris would dive off the rope 198 00:10:17,408 --> 00:10:18,909 and hit someone with his head. 199 00:10:19,493 --> 00:10:22,455 [announcer] Benoit using his own head like a weapon! 200 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:24,415 That's complete work. 201 00:10:24,498 --> 00:10:27,418 When somebody grabs your wrist real lightly, 202 00:10:28,044 --> 00:10:30,796 and they twist it, I go, "Aah! It hurts!" 203 00:10:31,589 --> 00:10:34,008 "Oh my God, you're killing me!" That's a work. 204 00:10:34,091 --> 00:10:37,303 [McMahon] It looks like there's damage, and there's not. 205 00:10:38,137 --> 00:10:40,431 We know what we're doing. We don't hurt each other. 206 00:10:40,514 --> 00:10:42,850 [announcer] His head bounced off that mat like a basketball! 207 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:44,602 I worked for a long time. 208 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:47,313 I got dropped on my head one time. I got concussed. 209 00:10:47,396 --> 00:10:49,398 [crowd cheering] 210 00:10:51,942 --> 00:10:53,819 [Austin] Other than that, I can't remember 211 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:56,906 having too many concussions in the business of pro wrestling. 212 00:10:56,989 --> 00:10:59,158 And my take on that has always been, 213 00:10:59,241 --> 00:11:02,244 if you were just wrestling and you got a bunch of concussions, 214 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:04,246 you're probably doing something wrong. 215 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:07,917 I'm not a CTE guy. 216 00:11:08,876 --> 00:11:10,378 Just don't believe in it. 217 00:11:13,255 --> 00:11:14,382 [sighs] 218 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:17,885 Yeah. I mean, I've seen the slides on Chris Benoit's brain. 219 00:11:17,968 --> 00:11:21,013 Like, he had CTE. Like, there's no question about that. 220 00:11:22,014 --> 00:11:25,685 CTE is a disease you can see very clearly under a microscope, 221 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:27,895 but everybody has fought us on this. 222 00:11:29,146 --> 00:11:30,815 {\an8}The NFL has fought us on this. 223 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:33,567 The NHL is still fighting us on this. 224 00:11:34,151 --> 00:11:36,654 FIFA's fighting us. Everybody's trying to fight us. 225 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:42,076 So, I was actually surprised when I got a call from Vince McMahon 226 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:43,536 saying he wanted to help. 227 00:11:43,619 --> 00:11:46,288 Chris was knocking WWE. 228 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:49,041 I think there was something worth investigating. 229 00:11:49,125 --> 00:11:50,876 I called him, "What are you doing?" 230 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:56,590 I said, "Look, we'll help you out if you can come up with research that's honest, 231 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:59,510 'cause we'd like to know more about it ourselves." 232 00:12:00,803 --> 00:12:02,680 [Nowinski] And that was the beginning 233 00:12:02,763 --> 00:12:05,182 of a wholesale change in their approach to this. 234 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,311 They invited me in to come start teaching the wrestlers 235 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:11,605 about what I knew about concussions and CTE. 236 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:13,983 There were a couple of in-ring moves that we stopped doing. 237 00:12:14,066 --> 00:12:15,526 [announcer] Onto Mr. McMahon! 238 00:12:15,609 --> 00:12:19,280 [McMahon] We stopped hitting each other over the head with metal chairs. 239 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:22,366 I have to admit, initially I was pissed. 240 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,410 How are you gonna take away the chair shot? 241 00:12:24,493 --> 00:12:26,287 It's a staple of our industry. 242 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:30,082 [announcer] Heads up, heads up! From behind! 243 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:34,003 [Calloway] I'm an old school guy. We use chairs to help tell our story. 244 00:12:35,838 --> 00:12:37,423 Vince made a call. 245 00:12:37,506 --> 00:12:39,800 Now there's no more chair shots to the head. 246 00:12:39,884 --> 00:12:41,177 I get it. 247 00:12:42,094 --> 00:12:44,597 The company is a publicly traded company now. 248 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,307 [announcer] Chef Boyardee presents... 249 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:51,479 [Calloway] When you're trying to market yourself to larger advertisers, 250 00:12:52,062 --> 00:12:55,858 the safety and well-being of your athletes and your performers is a priority. 251 00:12:55,941 --> 00:13:00,696 So, it was, again, what was best for business. 252 00:13:01,530 --> 00:13:04,074 [interviewer] Do you think the motivation is a care for wrestlers, 253 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:06,368 or is it good for business, or somewhere in between? 254 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:09,371 You know, it's... I don't know which. 255 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:11,999 I couldn't tell you what the biggest motivation is, 256 00:13:12,082 --> 00:13:15,252 but it's an acknowledgement that it's better for wrestlers 257 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:17,463 and it's good for business. Right? 258 00:13:17,546 --> 00:13:20,966 And that's what's most important, is that all the interests align, 259 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:22,760 and they're doing the right thing. 260 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:28,182 What happened in the aftermath of the Chris Benoit situation, 261 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:32,269 is that there was really a lot of negative publicity. 262 00:13:32,353 --> 00:13:34,939 It's not real, but the pain is. 263 00:13:35,022 --> 00:13:37,441 Professional wrestlers have suffered broken necks 264 00:13:37,525 --> 00:13:39,860 and spilled gallons of blood in the ring. 265 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:42,696 Many turn to performance-enhancing drugs and painkillers 266 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:45,533 as they spend 200-plus days on the road. 267 00:13:45,616 --> 00:13:47,743 And many don't make it past their 40th birthdays. 268 00:13:48,744 --> 00:13:50,621 [Meltzer] Wrestlers were dying young, 269 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:54,250 and it was very often a combination of drugs and steroids. 270 00:13:55,334 --> 00:13:59,004 When wrestlers were dying, it didn't hurt the popularity of wrestling 271 00:13:59,088 --> 00:14:03,509 because the fans saw them as deaths of television characters. 272 00:14:03,592 --> 00:14:04,510 [crowd cheering] 273 00:14:04,593 --> 00:14:09,181 {\an8}[Meltzer] They didn't see it as, like, a husband who's 38 years old 274 00:14:09,765 --> 00:14:13,310 {\an8}with three kids and a wife, and is dead. 275 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:18,148 {\an8}The fans knew these guys were dying, but they didn't care, or didn't seem to. 276 00:14:18,232 --> 00:14:19,441 {\an8}"Give us the next guy." 277 00:14:20,276 --> 00:14:23,737 [Meltzer] At first, McMahon was defiant, like he's always going to be. 278 00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:26,740 "All deaths have nothing to do with us. It's their choice." 279 00:14:26,824 --> 00:14:31,161 Do you have a reason why these people would be dying under the age of 45? 280 00:14:31,245 --> 00:14:34,582 Are you indicating it's my responsibility these people are dead? Because... 281 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:38,752 I'm asking you if it, in any way, shape, or form, falls on your shoulders? 282 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:43,173 [McMahon] I was set to have this interview with the award-winning Armen Keteyian, 283 00:14:43,257 --> 00:14:45,509 and when someone comes at me, 284 00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:48,178 whether it's a member of the media or otherwise, 285 00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:50,556 I can't help but be defensive. 286 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,641 And then be offensive. 287 00:14:53,475 --> 00:14:56,770 I'd accept no responsibility whatsoever for their untimely deaths. 288 00:14:56,854 --> 00:14:57,938 None whatsoever. 289 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:00,816 As far as... And you've got that look on your face like, 290 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,902 -"Jeez, Vince, how can you say that?" -Yeah... 291 00:15:02,985 --> 00:15:05,863 Well, but none whatsoever? I mean, they wrestled for you. 292 00:15:05,946 --> 00:15:07,781 They were part of your organization. 293 00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:10,534 They worked a couple of hundred nights a year for you. 294 00:15:11,869 --> 00:15:14,121 -Oh my God. No... -They lived this lifestyle. 295 00:15:14,204 --> 00:15:16,040 Oh my God, you can't believe... 296 00:15:16,123 --> 00:15:19,752 Can you see that look? "How can you possibly say that, Vince?" 297 00:15:19,835 --> 00:15:24,173 When you look back at just about all of those performers who passed away, 298 00:15:24,256 --> 00:15:28,844 you know, they used these prescription drugs as recreation. 299 00:15:29,386 --> 00:15:33,057 Many just took these pills because it made them feel good, you know? 300 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:38,520 And when you mix that with steroids or something else that's an upper, 301 00:15:38,604 --> 00:15:40,606 your heart doesn't know which way to go. 302 00:15:40,689 --> 00:15:42,399 And it's a horrible cocktail. 303 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:44,526 And that's what happened. 304 00:15:45,152 --> 00:15:49,198 "Found dead in their hotel room." That was the typical scenario. 305 00:15:50,282 --> 00:15:52,660 Why isn't these things page one? 306 00:15:53,577 --> 00:15:57,957 Millions of kids worship these guys, and they're dropping dead. 307 00:15:58,666 --> 00:15:59,792 Where's the news? 308 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:03,295 And again, McMahon seemed to escape that. 309 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:06,882 They did get bad publicity off of it, but not that much, 310 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,509 because people will just go, 311 00:16:08,592 --> 00:16:11,762 "We don't want to waste our time investigating this fake thing." 312 00:16:12,888 --> 00:16:16,433 But as far as WWE goes, was this kind of a turning point? 313 00:16:17,017 --> 00:16:18,686 In hindsight, I would say yes. 314 00:16:19,186 --> 00:16:23,524 That did lead to a lot of major changes in wrestling. 315 00:16:23,607 --> 00:16:26,860 You know, more vigilant monitoring of concussions, 316 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:29,822 more vigilant monitoring of drug abuse. 317 00:16:30,572 --> 00:16:33,492 They agreed to pay for rehab to anyone under contract, 318 00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:35,452 even after they're gone with the company. 319 00:16:35,536 --> 00:16:37,121 The schedule was reduced. 320 00:16:37,204 --> 00:16:40,499 Instead of going ten days on and three days off, 321 00:16:40,582 --> 00:16:43,711 it was four days on and three days off. It's even better now. 322 00:16:44,878 --> 00:16:46,797 The changes have been gigantic. 323 00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:55,597 [Calloway] WrestleMania 30. 324 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:58,767 Up until that point, I'd never lost at WrestleMania. 325 00:16:58,851 --> 00:17:00,602 I think I was 21-0. 326 00:17:00,686 --> 00:17:03,522 {\an8}-[crowd cheering] -[announcer 1] It's all over, brother. 327 00:17:03,605 --> 00:17:05,482 {\an8}-[announcer 2] Take him... -[announcer 1] Stop! 328 00:17:05,566 --> 00:17:09,236 {\an8}[Calloway] The streak is a huge part of the attraction of WrestleMania. 329 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:13,449 {\an8}[announcer 1] The amazing undefeated streak continues! 330 00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:17,661 [Calloway] So, I was gonna win. The streak was gonna stay intact. 331 00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:22,458 But that day, Vince walks in my dressing room, 332 00:17:22,541 --> 00:17:26,045 and he said, "Mark, I think we're gonna put Brock over tonight." 333 00:17:26,128 --> 00:17:29,131 [announcer] Brock Lesnar! 334 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:32,801 [McMahon] It was a last-minute decision. 335 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:34,970 Mark wasn't prepared for it. 336 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:38,682 I think he was in some sort of psychological shock. 337 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:39,683 [bell ringing] 338 00:17:42,686 --> 00:17:45,814 [Calloway] About five, ten minutes into that match, I get concussed. 339 00:17:49,401 --> 00:17:51,487 The match went on 25 minutes or so, 340 00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:55,449 but I can't, to this day, recall being in that match. 341 00:17:56,325 --> 00:17:57,284 [grunting] 342 00:17:57,367 --> 00:18:01,538 [McMahon] Looking back on it, I don't see where Mark was concussed. 343 00:18:02,122 --> 00:18:03,373 Could've happened. 344 00:18:03,457 --> 00:18:06,043 But I think Mark just didn't remember any of that 345 00:18:06,126 --> 00:18:09,046 because it was so traumatic for him. 346 00:18:09,129 --> 00:18:11,215 [crowd] One, two, three. 347 00:18:11,298 --> 00:18:14,093 -[crowd cheering] -[bell ringing] 348 00:18:17,846 --> 00:18:21,934 [Calloway] They took me to the hospital, and Vince left WrestleMania 349 00:18:22,017 --> 00:18:23,143 to go to the hospital. 350 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,274 He was there with my wife, um, consoling... consoling her. 351 00:18:31,276 --> 00:18:33,529 [announcer] You cannot hurt The Undertaker! 352 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:37,407 [Calloway] I never thought about getting hurt. 353 00:18:37,491 --> 00:18:40,369 Even after I got hurt, I didn't think about getting hurt. 354 00:18:41,370 --> 00:18:43,747 Only thing you think about is getting well 355 00:18:45,207 --> 00:18:47,126 so you can get back to work. 356 00:18:48,168 --> 00:18:50,629 I've had 18 different surgeries. 357 00:18:51,421 --> 00:18:52,798 I walk with a limp. 358 00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:55,300 I wake up some mornings and can't get out of bed, 359 00:18:56,176 --> 00:18:58,178 but there's nothing that I would change. 360 00:18:58,262 --> 00:19:01,807 I love it. And if I could still do it, I'd still be doing it. 361 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:07,521 [Booker T. Huffman] We as, you know, the wrestlers... 362 00:19:08,021 --> 00:19:10,232 sometimes think we're indestructible. 363 00:19:11,191 --> 00:19:14,278 {\an8}That's just the way it is. It's just part of who we are. 364 00:19:14,361 --> 00:19:16,780 But, on the other hand, 365 00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:20,242 this next generation of wrestlers, I do not want to see them 366 00:19:20,742 --> 00:19:25,205 in the same situation as a bunch of the guys that came before them. 367 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:27,749 [rock music playing] 368 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:33,046 [Garcia] And from Charlotte, North Carolina, Cody Rhodes! 369 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:36,091 I come into WWE in 2007. 370 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:41,096 They were spinning out of Chris Benoit's terrible tragedy, 371 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:46,351 and out of that, the wellness policy really becomes a huge part of the company. 372 00:19:46,435 --> 00:19:50,105 First, we're instituting a new drug policy. 373 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:53,734 [Rhodes] Behind the scenes, I came into a very clean WWE. 374 00:19:54,484 --> 00:19:56,737 And it was also very clean on-air 375 00:19:57,237 --> 00:20:00,574 in terms of, "We're heading towards a TV-PG era." 376 00:20:00,657 --> 00:20:01,909 [crowd cheering] 377 00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:06,288 [Gewirtz] What motivated Vince to switch the rating from TV-14 to TV-PG 378 00:20:06,371 --> 00:20:10,042 was the 50,000-foot perspective of advertisers. 379 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:11,251 [announcer] Go, go! 380 00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:15,088 [Gewirtz] The lewd and kind of really out-there angles 381 00:20:15,172 --> 00:20:17,633 that were going on in the Ruthless Aggression Era... 382 00:20:17,716 --> 00:20:20,219 -[indistinct] -[crowd exclaims] 383 00:20:20,302 --> 00:20:21,803 ...weren't gonna cut it with sponsors. 384 00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:23,639 Okay, here are the stats and things... 385 00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:26,058 [Gewirtz] Vince is a businessman. He's chairman of the board. 386 00:20:26,141 --> 00:20:28,602 He wants to make the company as much money as possible. 387 00:20:28,685 --> 00:20:29,811 [indistinct] 388 00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:34,233 Vince was trying to reach bigger, get more families, more kids. 389 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:38,153 [McMahon] We made that turn, and it has paid off, 390 00:20:38,737 --> 00:20:41,073 literally and figuratively, in dividends. 391 00:20:42,658 --> 00:20:44,701 [Gewirtz] The stock shot up eventually, 392 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:50,374 {\an8}and sponsorship deals became much more lucrative. 393 00:20:51,124 --> 00:20:54,127 But a lot of your Attitude Era, Ruthless Aggression audiences 394 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:56,380 would be like, "This is The Muppet Show." 395 00:20:56,463 --> 00:21:00,217 It literally was The Muppet Show. We had The Muppets guest host one time. 396 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:04,388 All those things that led WWE to be your special, secret, guilty pleasure 397 00:21:04,471 --> 00:21:06,473 now was being taken away, 398 00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:09,184 and that left a bad taste in people's mouths. 399 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,143 [crowd booing] 400 00:21:10,227 --> 00:21:12,771 [McMahon] I do what's right for every one of you 401 00:21:12,854 --> 00:21:14,731 from a business perspective. 402 00:21:14,815 --> 00:21:16,358 I'm long-term oriented, 403 00:21:16,441 --> 00:21:19,111 and you don't even understand what I'm doing. 404 00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:21,363 But in time, you will. 405 00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:25,659 [Meltzer] When the decision was made to go PG, some fans complained on social media. 406 00:21:25,742 --> 00:21:31,123 But times change, you know? And views change, and you adapt with it. 407 00:21:31,206 --> 00:21:33,417 -So they toned down. -[bell rings] 408 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,003 [announcer] This is a Divas tag-team match... 409 00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:38,255 [Heyman] The timing of the Women's Evolution 410 00:21:38,338 --> 00:21:40,757 coincided with the PG Era shift. 411 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:44,094 The portrayal of women in the industry 412 00:21:44,177 --> 00:21:46,596 {\an8}was progressing and maturing. 413 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,559 [announcer] It is the perfect combination of beauty and power. 414 00:21:50,642 --> 00:21:55,480 [Heyman] And the capabilities of the women that were coming into the industry 415 00:21:55,564 --> 00:22:00,694 were certainly far more athletic than those that preceded them. 416 00:22:00,777 --> 00:22:04,823 The Women's Evolution was really a movement started by our fans. 417 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:09,036 [reporter] Fans took to social media with the hashtag #GiveDivasAChance, 418 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,456 upset over unequal screen time for female wrestlers. 419 00:22:13,248 --> 00:22:18,045 Vince was set in his ways by this point, so it was very hard for him to change. 420 00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:21,006 [Trish Stratus] I think Vince was not sure, 421 00:22:21,089 --> 00:22:24,384 but ultimately Vince is about giving the fans what they want. 422 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:28,138 When the fans wanted us to do more action in the ring 423 00:22:28,221 --> 00:22:30,766 and liked what they were getting from us, he went with it. 424 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,226 Someone that got behind us was Stephanie. 425 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,562 Stephanie saw us doing our thing out there. 426 00:22:35,645 --> 00:22:38,398 She pushed for the women to take it to another level. 427 00:22:39,316 --> 00:22:42,277 [Meltzer] Stephanie had been a TV character for a long time, 428 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:45,864 but behind the scenes, she became kind of a public face of the company, 429 00:22:45,947 --> 00:22:47,240 Chief Brand Officer. 430 00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,367 That was her role. 431 00:22:49,076 --> 00:22:51,161 And Paul Levesque, Triple H, 432 00:22:51,244 --> 00:22:54,873 was getting more and more influence on the creative side, 433 00:22:54,956 --> 00:22:57,376 helping Vince, you know, kind of like number two. 434 00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:00,379 [interviewer] Where was Shane at that point? 435 00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:04,174 Um, Shane was kind of out, you know, for the most part. 436 00:23:06,802 --> 00:23:11,556 [Shane] So, 2016, I was gone six or seven years at that point. 437 00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:14,101 You know, off camera, off everything. 438 00:23:14,184 --> 00:23:15,227 I feel good. 439 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:16,937 And got a call. 440 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:20,357 It's my dad, um, and he says, "Hey, I have an idea." 441 00:23:21,024 --> 00:23:22,484 And it's like, "Okay." 442 00:23:23,568 --> 00:23:26,071 ♪ No chance That's what you've got ♪ 443 00:23:26,154 --> 00:23:32,202 [Shane] There was a storyline where my dad was going to give a very big accolade 444 00:23:32,285 --> 00:23:34,162 from my grandfather to my sister, 445 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,581 who was completely undeserving, storyline-wise. 446 00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:42,003 No one in the world deserves this award as much as you. 447 00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:44,297 And then all of a sudden, my music hits. 448 00:23:44,381 --> 00:23:47,217 -♪ Here comes the money ♪ -[announcer] Here we go. 449 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:48,385 [crowd cheering] 450 00:23:48,468 --> 00:23:50,303 ♪ Here comes the money... ♪ 451 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,225 [Shane] The place goes crazy. 452 00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:57,310 And still to this day, 453 00:23:57,394 --> 00:24:01,022 I'm getting goosebumps under my jacket right now thinking about it. 454 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:05,068 [crowd cheering] 455 00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:07,571 [bittersweet music playing] 456 00:24:15,162 --> 00:24:21,209 [Shane] It was so rewarding to have an adulation that long and that loud... 457 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:23,336 [bittersweet music continues] 458 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:24,671 ...when you return to... 459 00:24:28,049 --> 00:24:29,843 [voice breaks] ...something you love. 460 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:39,936 [crowd chanting] Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit! 461 00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:44,649 I see my dad looking at me, and he has pride. I could see it in those eyes. 462 00:24:44,733 --> 00:24:46,485 I'm getting choked up looking at that. 463 00:24:46,568 --> 00:24:50,405 My sister, she's starting to tear up because, again, we're all back together. 464 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:51,698 It was a huge moment. 465 00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:53,074 [crowd] This is awesome! 466 00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:57,162 And eventually what came out was something really cool. 467 00:24:57,746 --> 00:24:59,789 You and your husband, Triple H, 468 00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:03,251 have been really running this company into the ground. 469 00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:05,170 [crowd cheering] 470 00:25:06,379 --> 00:25:09,799 I want control of Monday Night Raw. 471 00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:12,886 [crowd cheering] 472 00:25:12,969 --> 00:25:16,932 And then that led to my dad making a match. 473 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:20,727 One match, one night, an opponent of my choosing. 474 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:23,313 I'll tell you where and when and who. 475 00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:27,692 So, what about it, Shane-O? Huh? Everybody's happy to see Shane-O-Mac! 476 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,778 [crowd cheering] 477 00:25:31,738 --> 00:25:33,615 You got your match. You're on. 478 00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:36,451 [cheering] 479 00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:39,037 Good, because I have one last opportunity... 480 00:25:40,413 --> 00:25:42,791 to have a fucking beating, okay? 481 00:25:42,874 --> 00:25:45,752 -A beating about your face. -[crowd exclaims] 482 00:25:45,835 --> 00:25:49,839 And the place and the time is gonna be... WrestleMania. 483 00:25:49,923 --> 00:25:51,466 [crowd cheering] 484 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:55,804 And your opponent... The Undertaker. 485 00:25:55,887 --> 00:25:58,765 [crowd cheering] 486 00:25:58,848 --> 00:26:00,725 Welcome back, Shane-O. 487 00:26:02,811 --> 00:26:04,437 [announcer] Oh my goodness. 488 00:26:05,063 --> 00:26:08,066 And getting to that moment now of WrestleMania 32... 489 00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:10,694 {\an8}-♪ Here comes the money ♪ -[announcer] Here we go. 490 00:26:10,777 --> 00:26:13,321 [Shane] I haven't been in the ring in seven years, 491 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:17,325 and you can imagine walking out in not just a small room, 492 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:19,828 but a stadium with a sea of people. 493 00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:21,121 It's euphoric. 494 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:28,545 But the greatest thing was about ten minutes prior to me going out, 495 00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:32,215 my boys were backstage. I was like, "Want to come out with me?" 496 00:26:32,299 --> 00:26:35,051 Do me the honor. I want you to come out with me tonight. 497 00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:37,137 They're like, "What? Are you serious?" 498 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:39,931 [upbeat music playing] 499 00:26:40,015 --> 00:26:42,350 [announcer] Look who's out here with Shane-O-Mac! 500 00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:46,146 [Shane] My boys were doing my stuff, and they're doing the arm twist. 501 00:26:46,229 --> 00:26:48,189 I go, "Look at these little dudes." 502 00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:51,067 And then I have to snap out of this 503 00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:54,696 'cause I'm about to throw down with one of the best of them ever. 504 00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:56,656 -[crowd cheering] -[bong ringing] 505 00:26:58,325 --> 00:27:02,871 [Shane] The Undertaker's bong hits... and the place goes bonkers. 506 00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:04,497 Mm. [inhales] 507 00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:05,790 The rest is history. 508 00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:08,918 [announcer] Shane-O with the flying elbow! 509 00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:10,378 Shane! 510 00:27:11,838 --> 00:27:15,967 -[announcer 1] Shane-O-Mac, here he goes! -[announcer 2] Against the post! 511 00:27:16,468 --> 00:27:19,846 [Huffman] I can only imagine being the son of Vince McMahon. 512 00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:25,185 It seemed like Shane was always trying to prove something to his dad, 513 00:27:25,268 --> 00:27:26,645 all the time. 514 00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:30,815 Even if it meant doing some of the most death-defying, you know, 515 00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:33,818 feats, uh, we've seen in this business. 516 00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:37,947 [announcer] Shane McMahon has got Kurt Angle in a bad, bad way here. 517 00:27:38,031 --> 00:27:39,866 [Shane] When you're performing, 518 00:27:39,949 --> 00:27:42,661 you want that adulation that you did a good job. 519 00:27:42,744 --> 00:27:44,996 Especially, you know, from my father. 520 00:27:45,622 --> 00:27:49,918 And I think that's why I've always tried to do a bit extra in the ring. 521 00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:52,671 -[announcer 1] Looks bad for Kurt Angle! -[announcer 2] God! 522 00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:56,383 One time, I had a match with Kurt Angle. It was more of a hardcore match. 523 00:27:56,466 --> 00:27:59,803 Kurt was famous, you know, being an Olympian, for suplexes. 524 00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:02,013 He picked me up and suplexed me. 525 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:03,932 [crowd exclaims] 526 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:06,851 I was supposed to go through the glass. I hit it, "Bam." 527 00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:08,937 And I went straight down on my noggin. 528 00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:13,858 [announcer 1] And I think Shane's head just bounced right off the concrete floor. 529 00:28:13,942 --> 00:28:16,444 [Shane] I was like, "All right, you Olympic wuss." 530 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:19,572 "I can't believe you can't throw me through that. You suck." 531 00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:21,700 All of a sudden, he just went, "Whoosh!" 532 00:28:21,783 --> 00:28:25,704 -[announcer] Not again. Oh my God. -[Shane] And it took three going out. 533 00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:28,581 Suplex one, hit the glass, didn't do anything. 534 00:28:29,165 --> 00:28:30,959 Second one, same thing. 535 00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:33,920 And finally, Kurt threw me through the third one. 536 00:28:34,003 --> 00:28:35,380 [announcer] My God! 537 00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:39,092 I felt for Shane that night. 538 00:28:39,175 --> 00:28:40,885 He took it like a champ. 539 00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,471 Trying to prove something to his dad. 540 00:28:44,764 --> 00:28:49,060 [McMahon] Shane wanted to be different. Wanted to earn his stripes in every way. 541 00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:51,229 He'd take chances that no one else would. 542 00:28:51,312 --> 00:28:53,773 -[announcer] It's not worth it! -[crowd clamoring] 543 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:57,026 [McMahon] He did some crazy things that no one else would do. 544 00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:59,696 He knew that that was something that was his. 545 00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:01,406 [announcer] Oh my God! 546 00:29:01,489 --> 00:29:03,324 [Shane] I'd do some risky things. 547 00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:07,328 But, you know, if it's in your blood, in my view, it's an acceptable risk. 548 00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:11,207 -[announcer 1] Shane, what are you doing? -[announcer 2] Shane-O-Mac! God! 549 00:29:11,291 --> 00:29:15,336 [Shane] And I've done it happily to entertain and to push myself as well. 550 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:19,549 And, of course, always looking for that pat on the back... from my dad. 551 00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:23,553 [announcer 1] Shane is climbing to the top of Hell in a Cell! 552 00:29:23,636 --> 00:29:25,930 -[announcer 2] Shane is scaling! -[announcer 1] Shane, stop! 553 00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:29,684 -[McMahon] What does your legacy mean? -[announcer 1] How much does it mean? 554 00:29:30,351 --> 00:29:32,020 Not this, please! 555 00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:34,063 -Shane, don't do this! -[announcer 2] Don't go! 556 00:29:34,147 --> 00:29:37,859 -[announcer 1] Shane! No! -[announcer 2] No! Oh my God! Jump... No! 557 00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:39,652 -No, no! -[crowd exclaims] 558 00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:43,782 [McMahon] I know he's always wanted me to respect him, and things of that nature. 559 00:29:43,865 --> 00:29:47,368 I don't know there are many pats on the shoulder in terms of "way to go." 560 00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:48,828 Maybe there should've been. 561 00:29:49,704 --> 00:29:52,999 My dad... he never said it to me, and that's okay. 562 00:29:54,501 --> 00:29:58,213 But I've always been proud of Shane for what he's done, 563 00:29:58,296 --> 00:29:59,964 what he attempts to do, 564 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:02,801 because he gives it his all. 565 00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:03,760 [crowd exclaims] 566 00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:06,012 -[crowd] Two. Three. -[bell ringing] 567 00:30:06,095 --> 00:30:08,056 [announcer] The Undertaker wins. 568 00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:11,810 [McMahon] I was very proud for Shane in that match. 569 00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:14,354 [announcer] I can't help but feel sorry for Shane. 570 00:30:14,437 --> 00:30:16,481 An attempt to regain his legacy. 571 00:30:16,564 --> 00:30:18,274 He's been disowned by his father. 572 00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:20,777 [interviewer] You remember seeing your dad after? 573 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:22,654 I got a hug that night. 574 00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:26,825 Yeah. Got a hug that night. Uh... 575 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:31,704 It was a very emotional, uh... very emotional return. 576 00:30:32,956 --> 00:30:37,001 [poignant music playing] 577 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,256 [McMahon] Shane got emotional and said, 578 00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:43,716 "That's all I ever wanted, was your respect." 579 00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:47,011 So, that was a very personal moment. 580 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,389 [inaudible] 581 00:30:49,472 --> 00:30:52,225 [Shane] I got a pat on the back and a hug. Yeah. 582 00:30:53,434 --> 00:30:54,269 Got that one. 583 00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:58,106 -[interviewer] Is that hard to come by? -Very. 584 00:30:58,189 --> 00:30:59,440 Had to earn that one. 585 00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:00,942 I guess I did. 586 00:31:02,902 --> 00:31:06,114 You hear people say this a lot in our business about Vince. 587 00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:08,533 Like, "He was almost like a father to me." 588 00:31:10,201 --> 00:31:11,578 [McMahon] We have a family. 589 00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:15,915 Not the McMahon family. We have a much broader family. 590 00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:20,169 And in terms of a family-type thing, I'm the patriarch. 591 00:31:21,004 --> 00:31:25,049 He's had the role in my life of a father figure. 592 00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:27,677 Our relationship, he was a father figure to me. 593 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,890 I have a fatherly, a father-son relationship, with Vince. 594 00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:35,059 I mean, I'd honestly take a bullet for that man. 595 00:31:39,981 --> 00:31:42,025 [indistinct chatter] 596 00:31:42,108 --> 00:31:46,613 [Shoemaker] There's no doubt that Vince is the father figure of the company. 597 00:31:47,238 --> 00:31:51,659 And all the stars in WWE are desperate for Vince's approval, 598 00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:53,369 including his own kids. 599 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:56,873 {\an8}If you look at Shane, 600 00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:02,545 {\an8}when he came back, he was only really being used as in-ring talent. 601 00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:07,634 But it seemed like he was trying to work his way back into Vince's good graces, 602 00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:11,638 into a potential role as a successor in WWE. 603 00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:13,848 [indistinct chanting] 604 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:16,809 [Shane] At some point, did I envision myself 605 00:32:16,893 --> 00:32:19,812 being next in line to do certain things? 606 00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:25,234 Sure, from the standpoint of I just want to continue the family business. 607 00:32:26,527 --> 00:32:28,613 I came back to ensure the future. 608 00:32:28,696 --> 00:32:32,617 Not only for my kids, but for your daughters, 609 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,287 and eventually their kids and their kids' kids, et cetera. 610 00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:39,207 That's why I returned to the WWE. 611 00:32:40,249 --> 00:32:42,377 [Meltzer] He wanted to be the next McMahon, 612 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:44,879 and he always figured he would be. 613 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:46,506 And then it didn't happen. 614 00:32:46,589 --> 00:32:50,468 Most people will say it was because Stephanie was better at it than he was. 615 00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:52,345 [intriguing music playing] 616 00:32:52,428 --> 00:32:55,723 [Stephanie] One thing that Shane does have over me is likability. 617 00:32:56,641 --> 00:33:00,895 But business is not run by popularity, and I'm just glad that... 618 00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:03,523 Stephanie? She's just like her dad. 619 00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:04,691 She's very strong. 620 00:33:05,858 --> 00:33:06,818 That's the boss. 621 00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:09,779 Shane is nice. 622 00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:16,119 And in the wrestling world, if you're a boss and you're nice, 623 00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:18,871 once the people see that niceness, 624 00:33:19,455 --> 00:33:21,457 they will try to take advantage of you. 625 00:33:23,084 --> 00:33:24,377 With Stephanie, 626 00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:27,505 you know you can't take advantage of that woman. [chuckles] 627 00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:28,881 Right off the bat. 628 00:33:29,549 --> 00:33:32,760 You don't know what it means to be a success, Shane. 629 00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,596 How would you? You're nothing more than a quitter. 630 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,807 -[Shane] Mm. -[crowd exclaiming] 631 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:41,894 Now, get the hell out of my ring! 632 00:33:43,646 --> 00:33:47,275 [Shoemaker] Through the 2010s and leading up to the 2020s, 633 00:33:48,067 --> 00:33:50,611 Vince McMahon, Stephanie McMahon, and Triple H 634 00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:54,282 were the three most powerful people inside WWE, 635 00:33:54,365 --> 00:33:58,119 and there were a lot of huge successes during this period of time. 636 00:33:58,202 --> 00:33:59,912 There was the WWE Network... 637 00:33:59,996 --> 00:34:03,416 [woman] 24/7 streaming service, live content. 638 00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:05,793 [Shoemaker] ...which was revolutionary in its way. 639 00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:09,505 They were on the cutting edge of a lot of social media stuff. 640 00:34:10,089 --> 00:34:12,884 The TV rights deals were going up and up, 641 00:34:12,967 --> 00:34:15,511 which culminated in the giant deal with Peacock. 642 00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:18,765 Linda McMahon joins Donald Trump's cabinet, 643 00:34:18,848 --> 00:34:21,142 heading the Small Business Administration. 644 00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:23,728 There was a competition started up. 645 00:34:23,811 --> 00:34:25,772 In 2019, AEW Wrestling launched. 646 00:34:26,355 --> 00:34:29,150 One of the big stars and vice presidents was Cody Rhodes, 647 00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:33,237 who three years later came back to WWE. 648 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:35,782 Thank you so much. Thank you for coming to get me. 649 00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:38,451 -Thank you very much. -[announcer] ...Hall of Fame class of 2022! 650 00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:42,538 {\an8}[Shoemaker] And the stock price just kept going up and up. 651 00:34:43,581 --> 00:34:46,167 It certainly doesn't have the energy or the vitality 652 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:48,086 that it seemed to in the '80s, 653 00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:50,671 and especially not during the Attitude Era. 654 00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:54,634 But Vince, he keeps creating new stars 655 00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:58,429 who become huge faces of the company. 656 00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:03,017 [announcer] This man, Roman Reigns, has become a mainstream star. 657 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:04,685 Roman Reigns, everybody! 658 00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:08,689 [Shoemaker] Because of the success during this period of time, 659 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:11,150 it was hard to imagine Vince ever stepping down. 660 00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:13,319 But if he were ever going to leave, 661 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:17,031 it seemed clear at the time that it was Stephanie McMahon and Triple H 662 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:20,243 who were in position to succeed him in running the company. 663 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,620 [Shawn Michaels] As far as succession, 664 00:35:22,703 --> 00:35:25,289 you don't rule out Shane or Stephanie, obviously. 665 00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:31,254 But it was my understanding that Hunter was supposed to be the individual. 666 00:35:31,337 --> 00:35:34,924 I don't know. That's the upper-level stuff that I couldn't even imagine. 667 00:35:36,259 --> 00:35:39,220 [McMahon] There are a lot of plans in terms of succession, 668 00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:44,392 but it depends on where I am in terms of the ability to contribute. 669 00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:50,773 {\an8}[announcer] Welcome to night two of WrestleMania. 70,000-plus once again. 670 00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:52,400 So, when are you gonna... 671 00:35:53,192 --> 00:35:56,070 [interviewer] Do you ever see yourself taking a step back? 672 00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:59,240 -Taking a step back? -[interviewer] Or retiring? 673 00:35:59,740 --> 00:36:01,742 Do I ever see myself retiring? 674 00:36:02,451 --> 00:36:04,537 No, I don't see myself ever retiring. 675 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,791 I never understood why people stop growing. 676 00:36:09,959 --> 00:36:12,378 When you stop growing, you die. 677 00:36:12,962 --> 00:36:17,300 [announcer] Mr. McMahon! 678 00:36:17,383 --> 00:36:20,303 [McMahon] Some people are like, "I want to retire one day." 679 00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:24,182 What are you gonna do when you retire? 680 00:36:24,765 --> 00:36:25,933 [announcer] Hold on! 681 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:30,313 [McMahon] I have, like, no sympathy for people like that. 682 00:36:30,396 --> 00:36:31,272 [Austin laughs] 683 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:32,815 Oh shit. 684 00:36:32,899 --> 00:36:35,443 So... go die. 685 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,486 [announcer 1] Ridiculous. 686 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:40,114 [announcer 1] Mr. McMahon has entered the ring! 687 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:42,575 [interviewer] Do you think he'll ever retire? 688 00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:45,494 No. No. 689 00:36:45,578 --> 00:36:47,038 Vince will never retire. 690 00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:49,707 -[bell ringing] -[announcer] We heard the bell ring. 691 00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:51,542 And McMahon with a clothesline! 692 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:53,836 [Cena] Do I think Vince will ever stop? No. 693 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,173 I don't think he'll ever stop. He loves it. It's not work to him. 694 00:36:57,757 --> 00:37:01,719 [announcer 1] I can't believe McMahon and Austin are toasting at WrestleMania. 695 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,680 [announcer 2] They finally... Spoke too soon! 696 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,224 [crowd cheering] 697 00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:08,309 [announcer 1] Mr. McMahon trying to get away... 698 00:37:08,392 --> 00:37:10,394 but Austin stuns McMahon! 699 00:37:10,478 --> 00:37:12,980 [Michaels] I cannot imagine a life 700 00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:16,567 with Vince McMahon not being the main dude in the WWE 701 00:37:16,651 --> 00:37:18,903 as long as he has breath in his lungs. 702 00:37:18,986 --> 00:37:22,907 [women whooping] 703 00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:26,702 What do I think it would take for Vince to retire? Uh... 704 00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:28,871 A nuclear bomb exploding. 705 00:37:28,955 --> 00:37:31,582 [tense music playing] 706 00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:34,502 [news anchor 1] The wrestling world rocked by the headline hitting today. 707 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:37,964 The WWE founder and CEO, Vince McMahon, 708 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:40,925 is stepping down as chairman and CEO. 709 00:37:41,008 --> 00:37:45,471 [news anchor 2] The Wall Street Journal reporting McMahon paid a former employee, 710 00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:50,643 who he allegedly had an affair with, $3 million to keep her quiet. 711 00:37:51,143 --> 00:37:52,812 [Ted Mann] It started with a tip. 712 00:37:52,895 --> 00:37:57,525 And the tip was that the board of WWE had received an anonymous email 713 00:37:57,608 --> 00:38:02,780 alleging that Vince McMahon had basically kept quiet, um, 714 00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:06,367 an affair with an employee of the company, and then covered it up. 715 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:08,911 {\an8}[news anchor 3] The Journal reports, according to an email 716 00:38:08,995 --> 00:38:10,621 {\an8}sent to WWE board members, 717 00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:14,709 {\an8}"McMahon initially hired the woman at a salary of $100,000, 718 00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:17,211 but increased it to $200,000 719 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:19,672 after beginning a sexual relationship with her." 720 00:38:19,755 --> 00:38:22,717 [Mann] The person who wrote the email portrayed it as a relationship 721 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,844 where McMahon was taking advantage of someone, 722 00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:28,639 and was conducting a consensual affair, 723 00:38:28,723 --> 00:38:31,934 but the power was clearly with the guy who was the CEO. 724 00:38:33,102 --> 00:38:37,231 How consensual is it when... it's your boss? 725 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:41,193 There's always that boss power, especially when it's Vince. 726 00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:44,655 [news anchor 3] The separation agreement prevents the former employee 727 00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:47,158 from discussing her relationship with Mr. McMahon 728 00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:48,826 or disparaging him in any way. 729 00:38:48,909 --> 00:38:51,203 Beyond the NDAs themselves, 730 00:38:51,287 --> 00:38:54,290 we encountered this kind of culture of secrecy. 731 00:38:55,207 --> 00:38:57,460 Vince McMahon exerts such power, 732 00:38:57,543 --> 00:39:00,463 he has such influence over people's careers, 733 00:39:00,546 --> 00:39:04,925 that people are very reluctant to speak because they were afraid of retaliation. 734 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:10,181 My expectation was Vince was going to just go after those reporters. 735 00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,184 Because if he had any kind of defense, 736 00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:15,394 he'd have gone after the reporters' credibility, 737 00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:16,729 and he never touched them. 738 00:39:16,812 --> 00:39:18,022 That shocked me. 739 00:39:18,105 --> 00:39:19,774 That is not Vince. 740 00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:22,818 [anchor 3] McMahon says, in part, "I have pledged my complete cooperation 741 00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:25,071 to the investigation by the Special Committee, 742 00:39:25,154 --> 00:39:28,407 and I will do everything possible to support the investigation." 743 00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:30,409 {\an8}He is staying in front of the cameras. 744 00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:34,705 {\an8}He's expected to be on SmackDown later on tonight. Jake? 745 00:39:34,789 --> 00:39:35,623 {\an8}Of course he is. 746 00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:38,125 [crowd cheering] 747 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,461 ♪ No chance That's what you've got ♪ 748 00:39:40,544 --> 00:39:44,006 [Meltzer] Vince resigned as CEO, 749 00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:48,094 but continued on the board of directors and continued to run Creative. 750 00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,055 When the first story came out, they announced, 751 00:39:51,138 --> 00:39:52,848 "Vince will be on the air." 752 00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:55,893 -Welcome to SmackDown! -[crowd cheering] 753 00:39:55,976 --> 00:39:59,063 [Meltzer] It was just basically his "F you" at the story, 754 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:02,316 and they did one of their biggest ratings of the year. 755 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,901 Everybody cheered like crazy. 756 00:40:03,984 --> 00:40:06,779 [tense music builds] 757 00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,415 [Mann] When we published the first article, 758 00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:21,919 one of the reactions from some quarters was, "Well, what did you expect?" 759 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:28,175 Vince's public persona, the Mr. McMahon character, 760 00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:32,179 was intentionally outrageous, and tied up in all of that 761 00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:36,934 was this notion that he was just rapacious and sexually deviant 762 00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:39,186 and couldn't control himself. 763 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:41,939 That was a huge part of the public character. 764 00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:45,943 What complicates that is that this was this intentional blurring 765 00:40:46,026 --> 00:40:48,529 of fictional and non-fictional. 766 00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:52,575 You're hired, Stacy! 767 00:40:53,701 --> 00:40:59,415 [Mann] What we have shown is that some of what was played for laughs 768 00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:01,625 as part of the character 769 00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:05,671 was not that funny and was, in fact, very, very serious. 770 00:41:05,754 --> 00:41:08,257 [suspenseful music playing] 771 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,426 [Palazzolo] As we got into the reporting, 772 00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:13,429 we found there had been other allegations that surfaced over the years 773 00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:15,264 against McMahon. 774 00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:19,393 In 2006, there was a woman who worked at a tanning salon, 775 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:23,731 and she alleged that Vince McMahon had shown her naked photos of himself 776 00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:25,733 and had groped her. 777 00:41:26,692 --> 00:41:28,694 McMahon denies the allegations, 778 00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:31,322 and prosecutors decided not to move forward with anything 779 00:41:31,405 --> 00:41:34,909 'cause they didn't think there was enough independent evidence. 780 00:41:36,619 --> 00:41:37,995 What are you doing? 781 00:41:38,078 --> 00:41:40,331 [Meltzer] When the tanning salon thing came, 782 00:41:40,414 --> 00:41:43,250 weeks later, Vince created a storyline 783 00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:46,879 where somebody's just absolutely making up all of these things. 784 00:41:47,713 --> 00:41:49,298 [screams] 785 00:41:49,381 --> 00:41:51,133 -Help me! -Mickie, what are you doing? 786 00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:52,927 -Help me now! -What are you doing? 787 00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:54,428 Stop touching me! 788 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:57,056 [Palazzolo] The reporting built on itself. 789 00:41:57,139 --> 00:41:59,016 After that first story, 790 00:41:59,099 --> 00:42:02,394 the more sort of we reported, the more started coming in. 791 00:42:02,895 --> 00:42:06,941 {\an8}Three weeks ago, Vince McMahon stepped down as WWE CEO 792 00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:09,360 {\an8}following allegations of sexual misconduct. 793 00:42:09,443 --> 00:42:12,279 {\an8}It turns out now there's a lot more to the story. 794 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:18,536 [reporter] McMahon reportedly agreeing to pay $12 million to four different women 795 00:42:18,619 --> 00:42:22,081 over a 16-year period, according to The Wall Street Journal. 796 00:42:22,164 --> 00:42:26,252 The deals were made to suppress allegations of sexual misconduct. 797 00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:29,380 Some of those allegations were frankly more serious. 798 00:42:29,463 --> 00:42:33,717 The most serious one is, we learned of a settlement for $7.5 million 799 00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,887 that McMahon struck with a former wrestler 800 00:42:36,971 --> 00:42:39,557 who alleged that he had coerced her into oral sex, 801 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,270 that she had refused his further advances, and he had not renewed her contract. 802 00:42:45,229 --> 00:42:49,525 Vince was always the guy who you figured would survive everything, 803 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:52,695 and then, um, it was like a week or two later, 804 00:42:52,778 --> 00:42:56,949 all of a sudden, it's Friday, and, and... Vince has retired. 805 00:42:57,032 --> 00:42:59,034 [dramatic sting] 806 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,539 [Meltzer] They made the announcement on a Friday because, to the end, 807 00:43:03,622 --> 00:43:06,166 they thought that it would build ratings for Friday night, 808 00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:08,002 so they do it Friday afternoon. 809 00:43:08,085 --> 00:43:09,587 Stephanie McMahon opens the show. 810 00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:10,754 [crowd exclaims] 811 00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:12,339 Earlier tonight, 812 00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:15,551 my father, Vince McMahon, 813 00:43:16,844 --> 00:43:19,763 retired from WWE. 814 00:43:19,847 --> 00:43:22,766 [crowd clamoring] 815 00:43:23,392 --> 00:43:25,853 [Meltzer] So, she finishes her short speech of, 816 00:43:25,936 --> 00:43:29,857 "He devoted his life, did this and that," and then, "Let's go, thank you, Vince," 817 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:32,151 and she's cheering everyone, "Thank you, Vince." 818 00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:36,447 [chanting] Thank you, Vince! Thank you, Vince! 819 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:40,117 [crowd] Thank you, Vince! Thank you, Vince! 820 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,286 [Meltzer] It was exactly what I expected, 821 00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:44,455 but kind of a shock and weird and surreal 822 00:43:44,538 --> 00:43:48,792 only because, for 40 years, Vince had been running that company, 823 00:43:48,876 --> 00:43:51,670 and all of a sudden, in one day, it's all changed. 824 00:43:55,215 --> 00:43:59,303 The reaction in the locker room was uncertainty, for sure, 825 00:43:59,386 --> 00:44:01,513 but real chaos 826 00:44:01,597 --> 00:44:05,601 in a sense that, what does WWE look like without Vince? 827 00:44:06,143 --> 00:44:08,896 What I originally thought would happen if Vince was gone, 828 00:44:09,563 --> 00:44:11,982 I thought Stephanie would be the face of the company, 829 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:14,985 and I thought Paul Levesque would be running the creative end. 830 00:44:15,944 --> 00:44:18,781 And that's essentially what happened. 831 00:44:18,864 --> 00:44:20,199 [inaudible] 832 00:44:23,911 --> 00:44:26,372 [interviewer] Do you think the business can survive without him? 833 00:44:26,455 --> 00:44:27,289 [man] Go, Vince! 834 00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:28,457 [Bollea] Honestly? 835 00:44:29,124 --> 00:44:30,793 -Thank you. -You bet. Thank you. 836 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,545 Without Vince, I don't think it will. 837 00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:39,343 [Mazer] Now that he's retired, 838 00:44:39,426 --> 00:44:43,263 I think there was great pleasure in seeing him get what's coming to him. 839 00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:47,309 But five minutes later, do we care? I don't know how much. 840 00:44:48,018 --> 00:44:48,894 Hi! 841 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:53,023 [Mazer] I think we'd be more interested to see him come back. 842 00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:55,150 I think we'd be much more entertained by that. 843 00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:01,156 Because nobody does evil like Vince McMahon. 844 00:45:02,157 --> 00:45:03,867 He still generates heat. 845 00:45:06,203 --> 00:45:08,205 And heat is what sells tickets. 846 00:45:09,915 --> 00:45:12,251 [interviewer] Do you see Vince coming back? 847 00:45:12,334 --> 00:45:15,421 Um, because it's wrestling and everything, um... 848 00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:17,381 I... 849 00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:20,926 I would say yes. 850 00:45:21,009 --> 00:45:22,970 [dramatic music playing] 851 00:45:23,053 --> 00:45:26,348 [Dubois] Big changes at the Stamford-based World Wrestling Entertainment. 852 00:45:26,432 --> 00:45:31,353 {\an8}The majority owner, Vince McMahon, has returned to WWE as executive chairman. 853 00:45:31,437 --> 00:45:34,148 {\an8}Meantime, Vince McMahon's daughter, Stephanie McMahon, 854 00:45:34,231 --> 00:45:37,818 {\an8}has resigned as co-CEO of WWE. 855 00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:40,112 {\an8}Many on Wall Street expect McMahon to try to sell 856 00:45:40,195 --> 00:45:42,656 {\an8}the $6 billion company at some point. 857 00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:48,829 [interviewer] What was your reaction when Vince returned? 858 00:45:48,912 --> 00:45:50,914 [laughing] 859 00:45:50,998 --> 00:45:55,711 Wow, that, um... Well, I mean, it was so... It was weird. 860 00:45:56,295 --> 00:45:58,630 When Vince came back, I wasn't surprised. 861 00:45:58,714 --> 00:46:01,091 I was surprised that people were surprised. 862 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,344 [Meltzer] I had definitely heard for a couple of weeks 863 00:46:04,428 --> 00:46:07,473 that Vince was getting itchy and wanted to come back, 864 00:46:07,556 --> 00:46:09,683 and I didn't know if he would be able to. 865 00:46:11,351 --> 00:46:14,980 Because I had already known about the board voting unanimously 866 00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:17,065 for him not to be back. 867 00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:22,154 But he did have the controlling votes. 868 00:46:22,237 --> 00:46:25,073 So, he returned. He changed members of the board. 869 00:46:25,157 --> 00:46:28,327 And then days later, Stephanie resigns. 870 00:46:28,911 --> 00:46:32,122 [reporter] Stephanie McMahon making a statement via Twitter. 871 00:46:32,206 --> 00:46:34,750 "WWE is in such a strong position 872 00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:37,461 that I have decided to return to my leave 873 00:46:37,544 --> 00:46:41,924 and take it one step further with my official resignation." 874 00:46:43,133 --> 00:46:47,262 [Meltzer] Vince said that he thought he never should have quit. 875 00:46:47,346 --> 00:46:49,223 But he was talked into quitting. 876 00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:53,644 And he said that it was by somebody close to him. 877 00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:57,231 So, you know, you can draw a conclusion from that. 878 00:46:58,023 --> 00:47:00,067 Vince sort of forced his way back in. 879 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:01,360 [inaudible] 880 00:47:01,443 --> 00:47:03,195 [Shoemaker] And it seems to me 881 00:47:03,278 --> 00:47:06,156 that Stephanie didn't want anything to do with the company 882 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,366 if Vince was involved. 883 00:47:07,991 --> 00:47:09,785 I don't think she was forced out. 884 00:47:09,868 --> 00:47:14,373 You know he's put you in a position, constantly in life, to battle him. 885 00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:15,999 You know that, right? 886 00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:17,543 Sure feels that way. [laughs] 887 00:47:17,626 --> 00:47:19,878 Oh no... Steph. Come on. 888 00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:22,506 [grunts] 889 00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:24,424 -There you go. -Thank you. 890 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:28,887 {\an8}I have absolutely no idea what happened with Stephanie leaving the company. 891 00:47:29,555 --> 00:47:32,391 And Dave Meltzer or Shoemaker, 892 00:47:32,474 --> 00:47:36,061 or whoever else wants to make up their lies and their assumptions, 893 00:47:36,144 --> 00:47:37,938 they don't know. 894 00:47:38,021 --> 00:47:40,232 [tense music playing] 895 00:47:40,315 --> 00:47:41,525 [Meltzer] When Vince came back, 896 00:47:41,608 --> 00:47:44,111 the first thing they talked about was a potential sale. 897 00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,446 This was like, "Okay, we're taking bids." 898 00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:48,615 [tense music continues] 899 00:47:48,699 --> 00:47:50,033 [anchor] It is now official. 900 00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:53,412 Endeavor announcing WWE and UFC will combine 901 00:47:53,495 --> 00:47:57,583 to form a $21 billion global live sports and entertainment company. 902 00:47:58,208 --> 00:48:02,546 [reporter] The combined WWE and UFC will be called the TKO Group. 903 00:48:04,172 --> 00:48:08,135 Selling the company to a strategic company like Endeavor, 904 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,137 I thought was genius. 905 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:13,015 Think about it. It's a new challenge for Vince. 906 00:48:15,017 --> 00:48:19,479 He's not just overseeing one company. He's overseeing another company. 907 00:48:19,563 --> 00:48:23,442 I think the idea probably was to sell it in a way 908 00:48:23,525 --> 00:48:27,279 where Vince would still have the major say-so. 909 00:48:28,071 --> 00:48:32,743 Vince is gonna be the executive chairman, but it's gonna be a bit different for him 910 00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:36,455 because WWE shareholders only get 49% of this company 911 00:48:36,538 --> 00:48:39,166 versus Endeavor shareholders, who get 51%. 912 00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:45,213 So, he no longer has the absolute control that he did over WWE. 913 00:48:46,048 --> 00:48:48,383 This company's been in your family for 70 years. 914 00:48:48,467 --> 00:48:49,885 Is it a tough day? 915 00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:51,511 No, it's a great day. 916 00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:55,265 You know, things have to evolve, be it family, business, 917 00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:58,226 it all has to evolve for all the right reasons. 918 00:48:58,310 --> 00:49:02,814 And this is the right business decision. Thus far, it's the right family decision. 919 00:49:02,898 --> 00:49:06,818 There wasn't gonna be, you know, the next generation Vince McMahon. 920 00:49:06,902 --> 00:49:09,780 It got too big to be a family business. 921 00:49:09,863 --> 00:49:13,951 It had to be something to where experts in the big business field 922 00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:16,536 were gonna be making a lot of the decisions. 923 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:22,000 It's not about the last name. It's not about a family legacy. 924 00:49:22,709 --> 00:49:25,921 It's about who is best qualified. 925 00:49:26,505 --> 00:49:31,343 We live by the law of the jungle. 926 00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:36,431 And the lion who still rules this kingdom 927 00:49:36,515 --> 00:49:39,768 wouldn't have it any other way. 928 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,520 [crowd cheering] 929 00:49:41,603 --> 00:49:43,939 [Meltzer] The company's doing really strong right now. 930 00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:46,483 The attendance is the best it's been since 2002. 931 00:49:47,275 --> 00:49:51,029 More people watch the big events than have ever watched them before. 932 00:49:51,113 --> 00:49:53,907 Sponsorship is way beyond anything they've ever had before. 933 00:49:53,991 --> 00:49:57,285 Profits are the biggest they've ever been, revenues are the biggest they've been. 934 00:49:58,245 --> 00:50:00,747 People will support an entertainment product 935 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:05,252 and not care about the moral fiber of the guy running the product. 936 00:50:05,335 --> 00:50:06,878 They want entertainment. 937 00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:09,756 [reporter] This week, World Wrestling Entertainment 938 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,093 agreeing to a $5 billion 10-year deal 939 00:50:13,176 --> 00:50:17,347 to take its signature weekly wrestling show, Raw, to Netflix. 940 00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:29,317 [interviewer] You saw some episodes... of this show? 941 00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:30,402 Yeah. 942 00:50:30,485 --> 00:50:32,738 -[interviewer] Thoughts? -Thought they sucked. 943 00:50:33,488 --> 00:50:36,491 I didn't think it was balanced at all. 944 00:50:36,575 --> 00:50:38,326 I thought it was a gotcha piece. 945 00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:41,496 I thought it was portrayed as a gotcha piece. 946 00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:45,125 And it was all about, "How can we make Vince look bad?" 947 00:50:45,208 --> 00:50:47,919 "Let's make him look shitty here, let's make him look shitty there." 948 00:50:48,003 --> 00:50:49,379 [inaudible] 949 00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:50,839 [Prichard] I'm close to it. 950 00:50:50,922 --> 00:50:53,717 You know, I live it, and it's personal to me. 951 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,803 [interviewer] Why I ask is, is there something about Vince that we're missing? 952 00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:59,222 Yeah, the human side. 953 00:51:00,265 --> 00:51:02,476 Look, Vince is a businessman. 954 00:51:03,226 --> 00:51:06,688 But also, the other side of Vince is, 955 00:51:06,772 --> 00:51:08,940 when my wife got cancer, 956 00:51:09,566 --> 00:51:13,403 that Vince made sure that she had the best care in the world. 957 00:51:13,487 --> 00:51:17,908 My wife was given a four-year life expectancy. 958 00:51:17,991 --> 00:51:19,409 Best-case scenario. 959 00:51:19,493 --> 00:51:21,787 That was 24 years ago. 960 00:51:22,996 --> 00:51:25,499 And that was because Vince McMahon made sure 961 00:51:25,582 --> 00:51:28,627 that she got the best care that was available. 962 00:51:29,544 --> 00:51:33,298 It wasn't a documentary on Vince and Vince's life and Vince's story. 963 00:51:33,965 --> 00:51:36,885 It was, "See what an asshole Vince McMahon is." 964 00:51:36,968 --> 00:51:39,429 "Let's see how big of an asshole we can make him." 965 00:51:39,513 --> 00:51:42,766 And if he were one, I would support that. 966 00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:45,393 But he's not. 967 00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:53,276 [Arsenault] The founder and former CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment 968 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,155 is facing new accusations of sexual assault and trafficking tonight. 969 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,951 {\an8}A disturbing new lawsuit is alleging that Vince McMahon 970 00:52:01,034 --> 00:52:04,871 {\an8}sexually abused and trafficked a former employee. 971 00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:08,834 A source tipped me off about the lawsuit being filed, 972 00:52:08,917 --> 00:52:12,003 and that happens because of the topic of the suit. 973 00:52:12,087 --> 00:52:15,715 I've written about sex-trafficking suits or sexual misconduct. 974 00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:21,680 I did not get the sense from people at WWE that they knew the lawsuit was coming. 975 00:52:21,763 --> 00:52:24,641 In fact, I heard from sources that they were surprised. 976 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,144 Hello. How are you? 977 00:52:27,227 --> 00:52:32,023 [reporter] In the lawsuit, Janel Grant, who worked there up until March 2022, 978 00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:35,527 says McMahon forced her to have sex with him and other men 979 00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:39,531 at the WWE headquarters in return for job security. 980 00:52:40,365 --> 00:52:46,496 [Palazzolo] Janel Grant was the woman who we first reported on back in 2022, 981 00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:53,420 and what Grant says in this lawsuit is that it was not a consensual affair. 982 00:52:55,463 --> 00:53:00,051 [Safdar] The lawsuit paints a picture of sexual abuse, sexual misconduct. 983 00:53:00,135 --> 00:53:01,887 She says she was sexually assaulted, 984 00:53:02,721 --> 00:53:06,349 that she was lured there on the promise of career advancement, 985 00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:08,894 and then eventually exploited sexually, 986 00:53:08,977 --> 00:53:11,897 and then trafficked to other men by Vince McMahon. 987 00:53:12,898 --> 00:53:14,441 [Shoemaker] When that lawsuit came out... 988 00:53:15,525 --> 00:53:20,488 Honestly, I didn't think anything in there would shock me, and I was floored. 989 00:53:20,572 --> 00:53:22,490 I mean, just absolutely stunned. 990 00:53:23,158 --> 00:53:27,204 [reporter 1] Grant's claims include sexual acts involving defecation, 991 00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:29,581 restraint... 992 00:53:29,664 --> 00:53:32,000 [reporter 2] Grant alleges that he assaulted her 993 00:53:32,083 --> 00:53:36,296 with sex toys named after male wrestlers. 994 00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:40,133 One of the most striking things about this particular lawsuit 995 00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:44,804 was the fact that Janel Grant had reproduced text messages 996 00:53:44,888 --> 00:53:46,973 that she had received from Vince McMahon. 997 00:53:47,057 --> 00:53:49,351 {\an8}[reporter] The suit included screenshots of vulgar texts 998 00:53:49,434 --> 00:53:54,522 {\an8}that McMahon allegedly sent to Grant, becoming more graphic, dark, and sadistic. 999 00:53:54,606 --> 00:53:56,942 {\an8}"I'm the only one who owns you," one message read, 1000 00:53:57,025 --> 00:53:59,152 {\an8}"and controls who I want to 'blank' you." 1001 00:53:59,236 --> 00:54:02,364 Granted, we're only seeing her side of these text messages, 1002 00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:06,117 the text message she wants to see, and maybe we'll see more in the future, 1003 00:54:06,201 --> 00:54:10,080 but it just gave such a window into this relationship 1004 00:54:10,163 --> 00:54:11,456 that you often don't see, 1005 00:54:11,539 --> 00:54:14,251 especially in relationships with this power imbalance. 1006 00:54:14,334 --> 00:54:15,669 [tense music playing] 1007 00:54:15,752 --> 00:54:18,129 [Safdar] This is one of the most brazen examples 1008 00:54:18,213 --> 00:54:21,091 in a company setting that I've seen 1009 00:54:21,174 --> 00:54:25,053 where an executive isn't really taking a lot of steps 1010 00:54:25,136 --> 00:54:26,763 to hide the behavior. 1011 00:54:26,846 --> 00:54:28,848 {\an8}[news anchor] The lawsuit also accuses McMahon 1012 00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:33,770 {\an8}of sharing sexually explicit photos of Grant with other WWE employees, 1013 00:54:33,853 --> 00:54:35,814 {\an8}including an unnamed wrestler 1014 00:54:35,897 --> 00:54:39,442 {\an8}who the company was trying to re-sign in 2021, 1015 00:54:39,526 --> 00:54:40,777 {\an8}without her consent. 1016 00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:44,155 We found out from sources that the identity is Brock Lesnar, 1017 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,866 which is one of WWE's biggest names. 1018 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:50,662 She alleges that McMahon shared the explicit photos with him 1019 00:54:50,745 --> 00:54:54,708 and informed her that he likes what he sees. 1020 00:54:54,791 --> 00:54:57,711 After the star agreed to a new contract, 1021 00:54:57,794 --> 00:55:02,007 McMahon told her that sex acts with her were part of the deal. 1022 00:55:02,674 --> 00:55:05,677 [reporter] In a statement, Vince McMahon's spokesperson says, 1023 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,887 "This lawsuit is replete with lies, 1024 00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:10,765 obscene, made-up instances that never occurred, 1025 00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:13,310 and a vindictive distortion of the truth." 1026 00:55:13,393 --> 00:55:15,812 "He will vigorously defend himself." 1027 00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:18,189 WWE's parent company, TKO Group, 1028 00:55:18,273 --> 00:55:20,483 says it's taking these allegations seriously 1029 00:55:20,567 --> 00:55:22,694 and addressing the matter internally. 1030 00:55:27,907 --> 00:55:31,536 {\an8}WWE founder Vince McMahon has resigned as executive chairman 1031 00:55:31,619 --> 00:55:33,955 {\an8}of the wrestling company's parent organization. 1032 00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,542 McMahon has denied the allegations, but says he's now resigning, 1033 00:55:37,625 --> 00:55:40,545 "Out of respect for the WWE Universe." 1034 00:55:41,171 --> 00:55:44,674 The fact that he resigns the day after the lawsuit is filed 1035 00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:48,345 suggests that things have changed. 1036 00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:52,557 He's in a new company, he no longer has the same control, 1037 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,145 and if someone asks him to leave, he's gotta leave. 1038 00:55:58,688 --> 00:56:01,024 {\an8}[Shoemaker] At that point, Vince was fully pushed out 1039 00:56:01,107 --> 00:56:04,569 {\an8}of any role in TKO or WWE. 1040 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,614 {\an8}And after the Janel Grant accusations, 1041 00:56:07,697 --> 00:56:10,825 you start hearing rumors and accusations from a variety of sources. 1042 00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:14,245 -[announcer 1] There's Ashley! -[announcer 2] Well, here she comes! 1043 00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:18,917 In 2016, Ashley Massaro claimed that she had been raped 1044 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,546 {\an8}during a WWE tour of Kuwait by a man posing as a military doctor. 1045 00:56:24,798 --> 00:56:26,674 She accused WWE 1046 00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:30,053 of not responding seriously to her allegations when she told them. 1047 00:56:30,637 --> 00:56:32,389 {\an8}She says that Vince McMahon knew about it, 1048 00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:36,476 {\an8}and that WWE functionally covered it up to protect the business. 1049 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:37,394 [inaudible] 1050 00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:40,772 [Shoemaker] WWE put out a statement completely denying these claims, 1051 00:56:40,855 --> 00:56:44,067 and they basically said they were never informed this took place, 1052 00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:46,820 and if they had been, they would've reported it. 1053 00:56:47,404 --> 00:56:49,864 {\an8}A decade later, in 2019, 1054 00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:52,909 {\an8}Massaro was found dead in an apparent suicide. 1055 00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,287 {\an8}After the Janel Grant allegations, 1056 00:56:57,455 --> 00:56:59,249 {\an8}Ashley Massaro's attorney 1057 00:56:59,332 --> 00:57:03,336 {\an8}released a previously unreleased statement from Massaro 1058 00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:06,172 {\an8}that claimed Vince McMahon made sexual advances on her, 1059 00:57:06,256 --> 00:57:08,633 that Vince was well-known for this sort of thing. 1060 00:57:09,467 --> 00:57:12,971 Massaro said she rejected him, but from her point of view, 1061 00:57:13,054 --> 00:57:16,933 Vince responded by writing stories whose sole purpose was to embarrass her. 1062 00:57:17,016 --> 00:57:18,560 You're gonna cry now? 1063 00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:21,521 Please, Vince, don't do this! Not over this. Not... 1064 00:57:21,604 --> 00:57:24,691 [mumbling] You gonna cry? You gonna cry?! 1065 00:57:26,025 --> 00:57:27,819 You're suspended indefinitely! 1066 00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:33,950 [sobbing] 1067 00:57:35,743 --> 00:57:38,496 [Shoemaker] Since he was kind of removed from his job, 1068 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:43,334 Vince has sold all the stock in the company and completely left. 1069 00:57:46,004 --> 00:57:48,673 One of the most powerful things for WWE 1070 00:57:48,756 --> 00:57:51,843 is that they have been able to keep going without Vince, 1071 00:57:51,926 --> 00:57:53,887 and they've been thriving without Vince. 1072 00:57:53,970 --> 00:58:00,977 Let's kick off night two of WrestleMania! 1073 00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:02,937 [crowd cheering] 1074 00:58:03,021 --> 00:58:07,233 [Levesque] We set records this week for social media, 1075 00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:10,695 for merchandise, for sponsorship. 1076 00:58:11,529 --> 00:58:14,616 Just destroyed records for gate. 1077 00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:19,704 This was legitimately the biggest WrestleMania of all time. 1078 00:58:19,787 --> 00:58:22,248 -[crowd cheering] -[bell ringing] 1079 00:58:25,043 --> 00:58:27,212 [announcer] Here is your winner! 1080 00:58:29,005 --> 00:58:30,298 And the new... 1081 00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:35,553 {\an8}[interviewer] Last question. What do you think Vince's legacy will be? 1082 00:58:37,889 --> 00:58:41,809 {\an8}Um, Vince's legacy... My goodness. Um... 1083 00:58:41,893 --> 00:58:42,769 He is... 1084 00:58:44,062 --> 00:58:47,815 Uh... his legacy is just, um... 1085 00:58:52,195 --> 00:58:54,197 I don't know. He... 1086 00:58:56,157 --> 00:58:58,368 Oh man, ooh, that's a tough one, huh? 1087 00:59:01,204 --> 00:59:04,958 [exhales] Man, what do I think Vince McMahon's legacy is gonna be? 1088 00:59:10,421 --> 00:59:13,091 Man... that's a good question. 1089 00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:17,804 {\an8}Ooh, I think I might be the wrong guy to be asked that question. 1090 00:59:18,888 --> 00:59:21,641 {\an8}[interviewer] What do you think Vince's legacy will be? 1091 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,019 {\an8}The greatest promoter of all time. 1092 00:59:26,354 --> 00:59:27,522 He earned that. 1093 00:59:28,648 --> 00:59:31,693 Even though there's things about him that I don't like or respect, 1094 00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:34,529 you can't take that from him. 1095 00:59:35,655 --> 00:59:37,156 [crowd cheering] 1096 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,744 [Meltzer] If you want a real view of Vince McMahon and pro wrestling, 1097 00:59:41,828 --> 00:59:45,415 there's a lot of positive, and there's a lot of negative. 1098 00:59:45,498 --> 00:59:48,668 I mean, he's the most important figure in the history of wrestling. 1099 00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:52,964 In his prime, he was an absolute creative genius, 1100 00:59:53,715 --> 00:59:56,676 but he's far from a saint. 1101 00:59:56,759 --> 00:59:58,094 This is a man 1102 00:59:58,177 --> 01:00:01,556 that wants more and more and more. 1103 01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:07,854 I've got an insatiable appetite for life, and I want more, more, more! 1104 01:00:07,937 --> 01:00:09,606 [Heyman] It doesn't stop. 1105 01:00:09,689 --> 01:00:11,524 And that's how you build something 1106 01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:15,403 from a million, to a billion, to ten billion. 1107 01:00:15,486 --> 01:00:16,738 [announcer] Here we go. 1108 01:00:16,821 --> 01:00:18,990 [Shoemaker] Pro wrestling, for all these years, 1109 01:00:19,073 --> 01:00:22,076 painted life in this very simple way. 1110 01:00:22,785 --> 01:00:24,912 There's good guys, and there's bad guys. 1111 01:00:25,747 --> 01:00:30,001 I think the real lesson of Vince McMahon is that life is never that simple. 1112 01:00:30,585 --> 01:00:33,671 You have to be able to hold two things in your head at the same time. 1113 01:00:33,755 --> 01:00:36,591 Like, it's possible Vince McMahon created this thing that we all love, 1114 01:00:37,216 --> 01:00:38,718 and at the same time, 1115 01:00:38,801 --> 01:00:44,265 he is an incredibly problematic, potentially, like, deplorable human being. 1116 01:00:46,225 --> 01:00:49,729 I'm sure he would like to go down as the legend who created WWE, 1117 01:00:49,812 --> 01:00:51,648 but anything good that he did 1118 01:00:51,731 --> 01:00:54,901 is now inextricable from all the bad stuff that he did. 1119 01:00:56,194 --> 01:00:59,072 {\an8}What's my legacy? You know, I don't have one. 1120 01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:04,869 Everyone has a certain feeling about who they think Vince McMahon is. 1121 01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:08,623 But people really don't know me at all. 1122 01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:13,044 A lot of people have confused who my character was on television 1123 01:01:13,127 --> 01:01:14,087 and who I am. 1124 01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:16,214 [evocative music playing] 1125 01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:18,925 When I look in the mirror, I know who I'm looking at. 1126 01:01:19,008 --> 01:01:20,593 I know, I know the reflection. 1127 01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:22,720 Describe Vince McMahon. 1128 01:01:23,346 --> 01:01:26,391 Uh... that would be really very tough to do. 1129 01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:30,144 Let's see. Egomaniac. Physical culturist. 1130 01:01:30,228 --> 01:01:32,855 Someone who needs to be challenged every day. 1131 01:01:32,939 --> 01:01:36,192 Sexually active. Psychologically challenged. 1132 01:01:36,275 --> 01:01:39,570 Sort of a paradox of paradoxes. 1133 01:01:39,654 --> 01:01:42,407 The only person in the world I need to thank is me, 1134 01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:45,201 because I did it all! I did it all by myself... 1135 01:01:45,284 --> 01:01:48,413 Sometimes the lines of reality or fact and fiction 1136 01:01:48,496 --> 01:01:50,623 are very blurred in our business. 1137 01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:56,087 Sometimes what happens is performers start believing in themselves. 1138 01:01:56,170 --> 01:01:58,965 They start believing in their own character. 1139 01:01:59,048 --> 01:02:04,053 The individual... loses all sense of who they really are personally. 1140 01:02:04,137 --> 01:02:05,888 They become the character. 1141 01:02:05,972 --> 01:02:10,184 My name is not Vince. My name is Mr. McMahon. 1142 01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:15,189 I'm wondering myself now. Which is the character, and which is me? 1143 01:02:16,107 --> 01:02:17,817 I guess maybe it's a blend. 1144 01:02:19,277 --> 01:02:23,281 And I would suggest that one is exaggerated a little bit, 1145 01:02:24,365 --> 01:02:26,409 uh, but I'm not so sure which one. 1146 01:02:27,076 --> 01:02:30,204 [evocative music builds] 1147 01:02:31,873 --> 01:02:33,875 [music fades] 1148 01:02:51,392 --> 01:02:53,978 [closing theme music playing] 99221

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