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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,172 --> 00:00:07,841 [pensive music playing] 2 00:00:07,924 --> 00:00:11,302 [Paul Heyman] The Shakespearean tragedy of this tale 3 00:00:11,886 --> 00:00:18,143 is that the great success that has been enjoyed by Vincent Kennedy McMahon 4 00:00:18,226 --> 00:00:21,896 was driven by the over-compensatory behavior 5 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:27,861 rebelling against the first miserable 12 years of his life. 6 00:00:28,695 --> 00:00:33,992 And escaping that abuse has been his life pursuit, 7 00:00:35,118 --> 00:00:37,037 in creating an atmosphere... 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,038 [crowd cheering] 9 00:00:38,121 --> 00:00:40,498 ...in which he is untouchable 10 00:00:41,249 --> 00:00:45,628 and invulnerable to outside forces, 11 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:49,799 and in control of his own destiny. 12 00:00:49,883 --> 00:00:52,343 [pensive music continues] 13 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:56,347 [David Shoemaker] What we know about Vince McMahon's childhood 14 00:00:57,182 --> 00:00:59,476 we only know from Vince McMahon. 15 00:01:00,727 --> 00:01:04,272 Years ago, he did a Playboy interview that talked about his upbringing, 16 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:07,901 that talked about the physical abuse 17 00:01:07,984 --> 00:01:10,111 that he suffered at the hands of his stepfather, 18 00:01:11,279 --> 00:01:13,948 and alluded to sexual abuse 19 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:18,870 that he implied was at the hands of his mother. 20 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:24,959 [McMahon] I'm not big at looking backwards at all. 21 00:01:25,043 --> 00:01:29,130 I don't know whether I'm afraid to look back, like, "What's back there?" 22 00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:32,092 My childhood was what it was. 23 00:01:33,134 --> 00:01:34,385 It was difficult. 24 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:37,847 I mean, there's fighting, there's infighting, there's incest, 25 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:40,350 and you don't like it, 26 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:44,020 but I felt that as a kid, when you're getting the crap beat out of you, 27 00:01:44,771 --> 00:01:49,234 once he stops, if you're still breathing, you're still living, you win. 28 00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:50,235 [crowd cheering] 29 00:01:50,318 --> 00:01:52,570 [McMahon] I know from a psychological standpoint, 30 00:01:52,654 --> 00:01:55,740 when you're abused as a kid, the tendency is for you to abuse. 31 00:01:56,407 --> 00:01:58,409 I think sometimes that's just a cop-out. 32 00:01:59,452 --> 00:02:00,954 I've never subscribed to that. 33 00:02:01,037 --> 00:02:04,249 You know, anything rotten like that, anything bad that happens to you, 34 00:02:04,833 --> 00:02:05,667 get rid of it. 35 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:07,377 [indistinct shouting] 36 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:11,172 Will it come forward on occasion? Sure. Will it hurt on occasion? Sure. 37 00:02:11,256 --> 00:02:14,384 But throw it the fuck back there, and go forward. 38 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:21,474 [music fades] 39 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:24,519 [crowd chanting indistinctly] 40 00:02:29,274 --> 00:02:30,525 Sorry. I'm so sorry. 41 00:02:30,608 --> 00:02:31,734 [indistinct] 42 00:02:33,653 --> 00:02:34,988 [man speaking on TV indistinctly] 43 00:02:35,071 --> 00:02:37,657 [Landsberg] Coming up next, you will see for the first time ever 44 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:39,576 Shane McMahon and Stephanie McMahon, 45 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:41,536 the only two children of Vince and Linda McMahon, 46 00:02:41,619 --> 00:02:46,082 talking about what it's like to have their lives unfold before the cameras. 47 00:02:46,749 --> 00:02:50,837 I'm fascinated to know, what was it like growing up as a McMahon? 48 00:02:53,423 --> 00:02:55,758 You wanna start? Go for it. 49 00:02:57,218 --> 00:03:01,723 [Shane McMahon] Being Vince McMahon's son, I grew up in a very interesting world. 50 00:03:01,806 --> 00:03:02,974 [crowd cheering] 51 00:03:05,768 --> 00:03:08,271 [Shane] I always wanted to be in the business, 52 00:03:08,354 --> 00:03:10,815 and the business of the business, specifically. 53 00:03:12,358 --> 00:03:13,860 I start at a very early age. 54 00:03:13,943 --> 00:03:15,778 -[man over loudspeaker] One, two... -Bleh. 55 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:18,948 I remember being in the audience, I remember being backstage. 56 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:21,618 I was all over the place, just soaking it all in. 57 00:03:23,203 --> 00:03:26,539 You know, I would sweep the ring. I would take the guys' jackets back. 58 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,208 -[crowd cheering] -One... 59 00:03:28,291 --> 00:03:31,127 [Shane] And then I became a referee and ring announcer, 60 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:34,714 and you start earning your stripes. 61 00:03:34,797 --> 00:03:38,218 [announcer] Shane and Mr. McMahon! 62 00:03:38,301 --> 00:03:40,511 [Shane] My involvement as a performer 63 00:03:40,595 --> 00:03:43,097 started as a surrogate to my dad. 64 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:45,558 [announcer] Did you see Shane holding the ropes for his daddy? 65 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:49,520 [Shane] If my dad pissed somebody off, you couldn't get to the boss right away. 66 00:03:49,604 --> 00:03:51,189 You have to go through different layers. 67 00:03:52,023 --> 00:03:54,609 And it caught on, and everybody was having fun, 68 00:03:54,692 --> 00:03:56,444 and we just ran with it. 69 00:03:56,527 --> 00:04:00,323 [announcer] A tremendous chorus of boos for the boy wonder, 70 00:04:00,406 --> 00:04:01,991 the heir apparent to the throne... 71 00:04:02,075 --> 00:04:03,451 [Shane] And I loved it, 72 00:04:03,534 --> 00:04:06,412 getting the ability to go do something I've always wanted to do 73 00:04:06,496 --> 00:04:07,956 since I was very little. 74 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:08,915 [crowd cheering] 75 00:04:08,998 --> 00:04:11,542 -[announcer 1] Shane! -[announcer 2] Shane McMahon! 76 00:04:12,418 --> 00:04:14,796 [crowd cheering] 77 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:19,092 [Shane] So that's how the family dynamic started to grow 78 00:04:19,175 --> 00:04:21,052 and eventually became Vince's daughter. 79 00:04:21,135 --> 00:04:23,680 Let me jump in for just one second, please. 80 00:04:23,763 --> 00:04:26,015 I have always wanted to be a part of this company, 81 00:04:26,099 --> 00:04:28,434 and I'm so proud to be today. 82 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,981 [Stephanie] Growing up, it was larger than life, 83 00:04:33,564 --> 00:04:36,317 and I could feel that as a kid. 84 00:04:36,401 --> 00:04:39,279 It was just the most exciting thing to be a part of. 85 00:04:39,362 --> 00:04:40,530 [crowd cheering] 86 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:42,699 [announcer] Unbelievable! 87 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:44,575 [Stephanie] WWE has always been polarizing, 88 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:46,869 and when I was growing up, 89 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:50,039 some people would love me just because of who my father was, 90 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:52,959 and some people would not give me the time of day 91 00:04:53,042 --> 00:04:54,544 because of who my father was. 92 00:04:54,627 --> 00:04:56,379 [announcer] Vince McMahon, flanked there 93 00:04:56,462 --> 00:04:59,007 by his young daughter, Stephanie McMahon. 94 00:04:59,757 --> 00:05:03,094 {\an8}[interviewer] When did it first get broached about you being a character? 95 00:05:03,678 --> 00:05:05,972 It was after I graduated college. 96 00:05:06,055 --> 00:05:08,599 Just relax, no pressure. Everything will be good. 97 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:11,519 -You're gonna take it easy on me? -Oh, without a doubt. 98 00:05:11,602 --> 00:05:14,063 [Stephanie] A decision was made in a very short period of time 99 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:16,566 to give it a try and see how it went. 100 00:05:16,649 --> 00:05:17,734 -You're on! -No! 101 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:22,655 [Levesque] When Steph started to work with us, it escalated incredibly fast. 102 00:05:23,906 --> 00:05:25,241 There was a storyline 103 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:28,536 where Steph was getting married to a talent named Test. 104 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:33,082 But the writers, they didn't know what the payoff was. 105 00:05:33,791 --> 00:05:36,336 There was never an ending to the story. 106 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:41,132 So, I come up with an idea and present it to Vince. 107 00:05:41,215 --> 00:05:43,217 You should take a look at this. 108 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:47,472 [Levesque] "What if I was at her bachelorette party, making her drink, 109 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:50,683 and I end up getting married to her, 110 00:05:50,767 --> 00:05:53,102 like, at one of those drive-thru things in Vegas?" 111 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:55,563 He's like, "I love that." 112 00:05:55,646 --> 00:05:57,148 [announcer] Oh my God! 113 00:05:57,231 --> 00:05:58,816 I hate you! 114 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:00,818 [Stephanie] And his line is, 115 00:06:00,902 --> 00:06:04,405 "And, Vince, it's not a question of if, but how many times..." 116 00:06:04,489 --> 00:06:07,784 ... how many times did we consummate the marriage? 117 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:08,826 [crowd clamoring] 118 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:10,661 [announcer] My God. I cannot believe that. 119 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:14,290 The first time we go back on TV after this whole angle happens, 120 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:17,585 the crowd turns on her, and they're chanting "slut." 121 00:06:17,668 --> 00:06:20,880 [chanting] Slut! Slut! Slut! Slut! 122 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:23,591 And Vince, as they're going crazy for her, 123 00:06:24,258 --> 00:06:25,510 he looks at me and he goes... 124 00:06:26,344 --> 00:06:27,970 Meaning, like, "This is money." 125 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:32,266 [chanting] Slut! Slut! Slut! 126 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:35,228 [McMahon] I've got a big smile on my face 'cause that means 127 00:06:35,311 --> 00:06:37,021 the audience is participating. 128 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:39,315 Anytime the audience is participating, 129 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,776 they're loving what it is you're doing. 130 00:06:41,859 --> 00:06:43,403 [chanting] Slut! Slut! Slut! 131 00:06:43,486 --> 00:06:46,864 [McMahon] So, Steph became this great heel. 132 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:49,450 She was willing to do anything. 133 00:06:49,534 --> 00:06:52,703 She's always been, "Whatever it is you want, Dad." 134 00:06:52,787 --> 00:06:54,247 She knew what I was trying to do. 135 00:06:54,831 --> 00:06:59,127 If anybody knows anything about screwing, it's you! 136 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:00,503 [crowd cheering] 137 00:07:00,586 --> 00:07:02,797 [Stephanie] When I was younger in my career, 138 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,925 I was just all on board to do whatever he wanted. 139 00:07:06,008 --> 00:07:07,927 [announcer] Unhand her! Look at this! 140 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:10,513 [Stephanie] I look back on some of the stuff I did, and I'm like, 141 00:07:10,596 --> 00:07:12,682 "Oh my God. I can't believe I did that." 142 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:14,976 Um... Yeah, for sure. 143 00:07:15,059 --> 00:07:18,104 [interviewer] Did you think it was weird that your dad was having you do that? 144 00:07:18,896 --> 00:07:20,022 Um... 145 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:22,692 Yeah, sometimes I thought it was a little bit weird, 146 00:07:23,818 --> 00:07:27,530 but it was a different time in our business. 147 00:07:27,613 --> 00:07:30,908 [crowd chanting] Slut! Slut! Slut! Slut! 148 00:07:30,992 --> 00:07:33,828 [Levesque] Of all the crazy stuff that's happened in my life, 149 00:07:33,911 --> 00:07:37,623 from starting out as a fan to where I am, 150 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:41,711 the family part of it would probably be the craziest. 151 00:07:41,794 --> 00:07:43,838 -[officiant] You are legally married. -Mm! 152 00:07:43,921 --> 00:07:45,715 [Levesque] So, after this storyline 153 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:49,469 where Steph gets married to me secretly against her will, 154 00:07:50,219 --> 00:07:52,889 it became this whole thing, the McMahon-Helmsley Era, 155 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:55,475 and now we're running WWE. 156 00:07:55,558 --> 00:07:58,144 The McMahon-Helmsley Era. 157 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:02,148 That's where I'm with her every day. 158 00:08:03,274 --> 00:08:05,693 And that's how we get to know each other, really. 159 00:08:05,776 --> 00:08:07,862 [Stephanie] I was not allowed to date our talent, 160 00:08:07,945 --> 00:08:12,783 but it was my dad who, ironically, sort of pushed us together. 161 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:15,703 [McMahon] Paul, who's a wonderful human being, 162 00:08:15,786 --> 00:08:17,163 he and I were friends, 163 00:08:17,246 --> 00:08:20,666 and I would even lead and say, "Steph, you need to find somebody, 164 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:23,628 a real man, you know, someone like Triple H." 165 00:08:23,711 --> 00:08:25,755 And then my brother would say, "Not Triple H." 166 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:28,758 And my dad would go, "Oh yeah, no, of course. Not Triple H, 167 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:30,801 but a guy just like him." [laughs] 168 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:34,096 Shane was very much against it. Uh, vehemently so. 169 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:35,598 -Let's go. -[Shane] You make me sick. 170 00:08:35,681 --> 00:08:38,059 Hey, brother... Come on. Give me a hug. 171 00:08:38,643 --> 00:08:41,687 You know... [sighs] Storylines 101. 172 00:08:41,771 --> 00:08:43,773 "Don't date the boss's daughter." 173 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:46,317 [McMahon] Shane came to me, said, 174 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,402 "You're letting your daughter date a wrestler?" 175 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:52,698 "Shane, um, that's who I am." 176 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:55,910 "I'm wrestling, I'm performing. I don't know what you mean by that." 177 00:08:55,993 --> 00:08:59,121 And so, to me, it made sense for Stephanie 178 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:02,917 to date and marry someone like Paul. 179 00:09:04,085 --> 00:09:05,920 [Levesque] As it's moving forward, 180 00:09:06,003 --> 00:09:08,673 there are moments in time where it's Vince, 181 00:09:08,756 --> 00:09:11,259 and he's Vince McMahon-ing this, 182 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:15,513 like, even as we're looking for locations for the wedding at one point, 183 00:09:15,596 --> 00:09:19,433 he seriously suggests to us holding it on pay-per-view. 184 00:09:19,517 --> 00:09:25,606 So, what if Stephanie and Paul's wedding was live on pay-per-view? 185 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:28,859 Wow. People would buy that. It'd be awesome. It'd be great. 186 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:32,113 And Steph said, "Uh... no." 187 00:09:32,196 --> 00:09:36,659 And when Steph says, "Absolutely not," 188 00:09:36,742 --> 00:09:38,911 he's like, "Selfish." 189 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:41,205 Like, "I can't believe you're selfish." 190 00:09:41,289 --> 00:09:42,331 [crowd cheering] 191 00:09:42,415 --> 00:09:46,669 {\an8}[Levesque] And then Vince books Vince versus Steph, 192 00:09:46,752 --> 00:09:48,629 in, I believe, a street fight, 193 00:09:49,463 --> 00:09:53,050 six days before our legitimate wedding. 194 00:09:53,134 --> 00:09:54,927 [announcer] He wants to humiliate his daughter! 195 00:09:55,011 --> 00:09:57,179 [Stephanie] I remember my mom actually threatening my dad 196 00:09:57,263 --> 00:10:00,016 that if I had a black eye or a broken ankle for my wedding, 197 00:10:00,099 --> 00:10:02,768 that she would divorce him on the spot. [chuckles] 198 00:10:02,852 --> 00:10:05,813 Needless to say, I had no black eye. I had no broken ankle. 199 00:10:05,896 --> 00:10:09,775 I may have gotten choked out in the match, but that's different. 200 00:10:09,859 --> 00:10:13,362 Yeah, just craziness. Full-on craziness. 201 00:10:13,446 --> 00:10:16,532 What the hell kind of family did I marry into? 202 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:17,700 [announcer] Uh?! Right? 203 00:10:17,783 --> 00:10:19,994 [Levesque] You guys have got to be the head 204 00:10:20,077 --> 00:10:25,916 of the most dysfunctional family on the planet! 205 00:10:27,501 --> 00:10:30,129 [Meltzer] They create that McMahon family soap opera, 206 00:10:30,212 --> 00:10:33,674 and the kids ended up being very popular performers. Super popular. 207 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:37,094 [interviewer] Where was Linda during all this time? 208 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:39,221 She was definitely a big part of all of this. 209 00:10:39,305 --> 00:10:41,724 [announcer] Linda McMahon! 210 00:10:42,850 --> 00:10:45,686 {\an8}[Meltzer] Linda was very important in the company. 211 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:49,440 {\an8}World Wrestling Entertainment is known as Vince McMahon's company. 212 00:10:49,523 --> 00:10:52,276 The name that you seldom hear was that of Linda McMahon, 213 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,073 and she is the Chief Executive Officer of this company. 214 00:10:57,657 --> 00:11:00,117 There weren't a lot of titles, okay, when I came on. 215 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:03,329 It was, Vince was the boss, Linda was the second boss. 216 00:11:04,455 --> 00:11:06,207 Linda handled the business. 217 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:09,543 Vince handled the creative and the vision. 218 00:11:09,627 --> 00:11:13,714 So, my mom introduced me to Linda, my wife. 219 00:11:13,798 --> 00:11:15,925 I think I was 16. 220 00:11:16,717 --> 00:11:19,387 Linda grew up in a very middle-class family. 221 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:23,057 Both parents worked, and nice houses. 222 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:28,813 Not rich, but real middle-class, and I was just sort of attracted to that. 223 00:11:30,439 --> 00:11:34,235 [Linda] He had, kind of, you know, the bad-boy reputation from high school, 224 00:11:34,318 --> 00:11:37,405 and so, you know, I was the exact opposite. 225 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,241 And, you know what? I liked it. 226 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:44,829 [McMahon] Linda was, like, 17 when we got married, so very young. 227 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:48,332 And I promised her I'd always love her, 228 00:11:48,416 --> 00:11:51,419 and I promised her that there'd never be a dull moment. 229 00:11:51,502 --> 00:11:54,171 I've definitely lived up to that promise. 230 00:11:55,047 --> 00:11:56,382 [tense music playing] 231 00:11:56,465 --> 00:11:57,341 [groans] 232 00:11:57,425 --> 00:12:00,136 -[announcer 1] Oh my God! -[announcer 2] Oh no! 233 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:02,054 [announcer 1] Oh my God! 234 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:05,599 This is gonna hurt me a lot worse than it hurts you. 235 00:12:05,683 --> 00:12:07,601 [announcer] Get her! What? 236 00:12:07,685 --> 00:12:10,146 [Stephanie] My mom never wanted to be on TV. Ever. 237 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:11,856 She hated being on television. 238 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:15,317 She'd say, "Vince, please don't put me in this position. I'm not a good actress." 239 00:12:16,193 --> 00:12:17,862 [Linda] Of the four of us, I'm probably 240 00:12:17,945 --> 00:12:20,406 the least comfortable in front of the camera. 241 00:12:20,489 --> 00:12:22,074 And I'm not nearly as good at it 242 00:12:22,158 --> 00:12:24,034 {\an8}as Shane and Stephanie and Vince are. 243 00:12:24,118 --> 00:12:27,121 Congratulations, Triple H. 244 00:12:27,204 --> 00:12:29,790 [McMahon] She wasn't a good actress, and she knew it, 245 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:32,543 but Shane's involved, Stephanie's involved, I'm involved. 246 00:12:33,169 --> 00:12:34,587 "We can use you as a character." 247 00:12:35,296 --> 00:12:37,923 So, without further ado, 248 00:12:38,007 --> 00:12:40,885 allow me to present my wife, Linda, 249 00:12:40,968 --> 00:12:45,765 accompanied by the beautiful Trish. 250 00:12:46,724 --> 00:12:48,517 [Stratigeas] I came into the wrestling business 251 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:50,644 in a little bit of non-traditional route. 252 00:12:50,728 --> 00:12:53,314 I was, um, doing fitness modeling. 253 00:12:54,148 --> 00:12:57,193 [announcer] Fitness model, you know her from the cover of Muscle magazine. 254 00:12:58,027 --> 00:12:59,361 {\an8}Trish Stratus. 255 00:13:00,738 --> 00:13:03,991 [Stratigeas] As a fan growing up, I was heavily into when Cyndi Lauper came, 256 00:13:04,074 --> 00:13:06,368 and she was with Wendi Richter. That was like, "Oh my God!" 257 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:09,288 Seeing a female in the ring at my age was very cool. 258 00:13:10,372 --> 00:13:12,541 But when I first started in 2000, 259 00:13:13,083 --> 00:13:15,961 the female role was overtly sexual, I would say. 260 00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:18,506 Well, Trish. 261 00:13:18,589 --> 00:13:19,924 -Mr. McMahon. -Uh... 262 00:13:20,007 --> 00:13:21,717 [Stratigeas] One of my very first storylines 263 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,636 was being paired with Vince McMahon. 264 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:27,056 Knowing I was about to work with the boss, and with Mr. McMahon, 265 00:13:27,139 --> 00:13:29,266 was a huge opportunity. 266 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:31,352 -I was super excited about it. -[McMahon moans] 267 00:13:31,435 --> 00:13:32,478 Yeah. 268 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:35,272 I don't think the storyline was pitched like, "What's gonna happen 269 00:13:35,356 --> 00:13:36,816 is you're gonna be Vince's mistress." 270 00:13:36,899 --> 00:13:38,692 I've been very bad, Vince. 271 00:13:38,776 --> 00:13:40,277 I deserve a spanking. 272 00:13:40,861 --> 00:13:43,697 "And then you're gonna eventually drug his wife." 273 00:13:43,781 --> 00:13:45,825 You did double up Linda's dosage, did you not? 274 00:13:45,908 --> 00:13:46,742 Sure did. 275 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:49,870 [giggles] It wasn't pitched like that. I'd have gone, "What am I gonna do now?" 276 00:13:50,454 --> 00:13:51,705 It was something that evolved. 277 00:13:51,789 --> 00:13:54,124 It was like, "Let's see where we can take this," 278 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,253 and, well, it took some interesting turns. 279 00:13:57,336 --> 00:13:58,587 Get this now. 280 00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:03,342 I kissed, uh, Trish Stratus in front of my wife in a wheelchair. 281 00:14:03,425 --> 00:14:04,885 [announcer] Oh, no... Oh, my God. 282 00:14:04,969 --> 00:14:09,139 And the reason why we did that was to show what a despicable heel I was. 283 00:14:09,223 --> 00:14:11,308 I mean, you can't get any more despicable. 284 00:14:12,434 --> 00:14:14,603 [Stratigeas] We were very aware of what we were doing 285 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:16,814 to provide fuel for our storyline, 286 00:14:16,897 --> 00:14:19,358 and Linda was super cool about it too. 287 00:14:19,441 --> 00:14:21,485 She was in on it. You know, we were all in on it. 288 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:24,738 There was a scene where I lean over and I kiss Linda. 289 00:14:25,406 --> 00:14:27,199 And that came from Linda. Like, she's like, 290 00:14:27,283 --> 00:14:30,369 "Oh, it would irk so many people if you would lean over and kiss me on the head." 291 00:14:31,662 --> 00:14:34,957 [Linda] What you must do is evoke emotion, 292 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,002 whether it's anger, whether it's happiness. 293 00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:42,631 Even sometimes disgust, if the bad guy, you know, went a little too far. 294 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:45,426 But it's always about emotion. 295 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:47,344 Have a nice Valentine's Day, Linda. 296 00:14:48,512 --> 00:14:50,639 [interviewer] The on-screen affair with Trish. 297 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:53,100 What was the family's reaction to that one? 298 00:14:53,809 --> 00:14:57,271 I don't think our family had an objection to it, 299 00:14:57,354 --> 00:15:00,399 because they knew I was a character. 300 00:15:00,482 --> 00:15:01,692 Trish was a character. 301 00:15:01,775 --> 00:15:04,737 So, as I recall, I don't think anyone had a problem with it. 302 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:09,700 If anything is mentioned about my mom, usually, my first reaction is "no." 303 00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:13,579 You know, my mom's kind of sacred to me, so, I didn't quite like that one. 304 00:15:14,163 --> 00:15:15,789 [interviewer] Shane said he was a little... 305 00:15:15,873 --> 00:15:17,666 -Oh, okay. [chuckles] -[interviewer] You know. 306 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:21,128 [McMahon] Well, Shane is a bit more conservative than the rest of us, 307 00:15:21,211 --> 00:15:24,131 so, Shane may have had a little bit of a problem with that, 308 00:15:24,214 --> 00:15:25,466 'cause he sometimes... 309 00:15:25,549 --> 00:15:28,260 "Wait a minute, 'cause, uh, you're getting too close to real now." 310 00:15:28,344 --> 00:15:31,555 I'm thinking, "This is a storyline. Characters entertaining the audience." 311 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:33,265 "Just go with it." 312 00:15:33,349 --> 00:15:36,226 [crowd cheering] 313 00:15:40,606 --> 00:15:43,734 So, 15 years later, um, I'll do interviews, 314 00:15:43,817 --> 00:15:47,279 we'll talk about the good old days, and it... It never fails. 315 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:50,199 It will always be like, "So, there was this time..." 316 00:15:50,282 --> 00:15:51,158 And I'm like, "Mm-hm." 317 00:15:51,742 --> 00:15:55,329 "...when you got on all four and you barked like a dog." 318 00:15:55,996 --> 00:15:58,958 I'm sorry! I'm so sorry! 319 00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:00,334 [announcer] You're sorry? 320 00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:03,587 Well, I'll tell you what, if you're that sorry, 321 00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:06,590 then prove to me just how sorry you are. 322 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:11,303 Get on your hands and knees like a dog! 323 00:16:11,387 --> 00:16:13,389 [announcer] Oh, for God's sakes. 324 00:16:13,472 --> 00:16:15,891 The "bark like a dog" scene obviously is very memorable, 325 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:18,018 and it was really [chuckles] um... 326 00:16:18,102 --> 00:16:19,853 Yeah, I wish they never did that one. 327 00:16:19,937 --> 00:16:21,647 I used to have a female dog 328 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:24,316 and that bitch did everything I told her to do. 329 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,444 -Now, damn it, get down! Get down! -[announcer] Aw, that's just too much. 330 00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:30,698 Bark like a dog. Come on. Tell me you're sorry. 331 00:16:31,865 --> 00:16:33,534 [barking] 332 00:16:33,617 --> 00:16:36,829 [Stratigeas] With the "barking like a dog" segment, they want me to be like... 333 00:16:36,912 --> 00:16:39,081 [exhales] It was horrible, 334 00:16:39,164 --> 00:16:43,210 but that's exactly the feeling we wanted you to feel. Don't you get it? 335 00:16:43,794 --> 00:16:49,049 If you're really, really sorry, Trish, take your clothes off! 336 00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:51,093 -[audience cheering] -[announcer] Yes! Yea... 337 00:16:51,176 --> 00:16:52,678 I said take it off now! 338 00:16:53,303 --> 00:16:55,556 [announcer] What kinda man is... This is... 339 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:57,391 [Sharon Mazer] That is an amazing 340 00:16:57,474 --> 00:17:01,520 "have your cake and eat it too" kind of heel performance, 341 00:17:01,603 --> 00:17:05,691 because at the same time that he's getting everybody to know 342 00:17:05,774 --> 00:17:09,486 that we're supposed to hate him, he's giving them a titty show... 343 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:11,697 Oh, you're sorry! You're sorry! 344 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:14,241 Take your bra off and take it off now! 345 00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:16,493 [Mazer] ...knowing that he's bad for doing so. 346 00:17:16,577 --> 00:17:21,331 It doesn't get in the way of the pleasure of watching her be humiliated. 347 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:26,462 I thought the segment sucked when I saw it, but you know, 348 00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:31,633 wrestling was very much for guys and guys who fantasized over hot women. 349 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:35,929 But also kind of hated them because they could never get them. 350 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:40,976 So, therefore, seeing hot women demeaned was kind of cool to a lot of those guys. 351 00:17:41,977 --> 00:17:45,272 It's a very ugly way to say it, but that's exactly what it was. 352 00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:46,607 [crowd cheering] 353 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:49,902 [Stratigeas] We knew we were presenting a sensitive scene to the fans. 354 00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:53,322 We knew that it was gonna be talked about, and be interpreted and misinterpreted, 355 00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:54,531 but we were aware of that. 356 00:17:55,532 --> 00:17:57,618 And the thing is, when we did that scene, 357 00:17:57,701 --> 00:18:00,662 we knew the comeuppance would come at WrestleMania, the grandest stage. 358 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,581 [crowd cheering] 359 00:18:04,458 --> 00:18:07,127 [Stephanie] Ultimately, it played out at WrestleMania 360 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:09,546 in a match with Shane against my dad. 361 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:11,673 [tense music playing] 362 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:13,801 [McMahon] It was son versus father, 363 00:18:13,884 --> 00:18:17,805 and in one corner was my girlfriend, Trish. 364 00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:19,139 Storyline. 365 00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:22,559 And in Shane's corner was Linda, my wife. 366 00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:27,189 [Shane] I had to stand up for the abuse that was going on with my mom. 367 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:30,567 You know, I just couldn't take it anymore, which would be accurate. 368 00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:33,904 And my sister taking the other side, you know, like, cutthroat, 369 00:18:33,987 --> 00:18:35,030 very much like my dad. 370 00:18:36,073 --> 00:18:39,576 I was so nervous going into that match, 371 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,329 because I've never raised a hand to my father. 372 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,540 It's always been one way. [chuckles] 373 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:48,794 When I was younger, my dad and I would wrestle. 374 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:52,756 One time, my dad grabbed like, all my rib meat. 375 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,259 You know, he went in there, on the skin and everything else. 376 00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:58,053 I went, "Oh!" and then as I peeled back, he grabbed my hair in the back 377 00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:01,515 and then pushed me back, and I was like... I was like, "You totally cheated." 378 00:19:01,598 --> 00:19:02,599 I go, "You can't do that." 379 00:19:02,683 --> 00:19:07,062 He says, "That's what I do in life. I cheat, and I win." [chuckles] 380 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,857 He goes, "Learn that lesson." He says, "Sometimes you gotta cheat." 381 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:11,984 And I was like, "All right." 382 00:19:13,235 --> 00:19:17,573 So before I went out in that match, I started kind of panicking a little. 383 00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:19,616 I was like, "Oh, I can't do it. I can't do it." 384 00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:24,163 I asked Shane to strike me, and he's like, "I can't do it." 385 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:25,873 "Slap me. You can do that." 386 00:19:25,956 --> 00:19:26,957 "No, I can't." 387 00:19:28,041 --> 00:19:29,084 "I can slap you." 388 00:19:30,627 --> 00:19:32,296 [announcer] Slapping his own son. 389 00:19:32,379 --> 00:19:35,048 [Shane] Bell rings. My dad hits me with about four shots to the face. 390 00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:36,758 Like, right off the bat. 391 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:39,928 [McMahon] I waffled him a couple of times, and got his attention. 392 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,389 And then he's like, "Okay, no problem now." [laughs] 393 00:19:42,472 --> 00:19:45,976 And I was like: "Oh! Ah!" My eyes swelled up under immediately. 394 00:19:46,059 --> 00:19:48,812 I was like, "Well, this may be a little easier than I thought." [laughs] 395 00:19:48,896 --> 00:19:50,147 [grunts] 396 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:52,065 -[announcer 1] My monitor! -[announcer 2] God! 397 00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:53,066 Shane, stop! 398 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:54,610 [crowd cheering] 399 00:19:58,363 --> 00:20:00,032 That was my WrestleMania moment that year. 400 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:03,994 I was able to stand up to Vince McMahon and everything he stood for. 401 00:20:04,077 --> 00:20:06,079 I mean, I remember working with him on that moment. 402 00:20:06,163 --> 00:20:08,457 He's like, "Do not hold back." 403 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,292 And I did not. 404 00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:15,339 [announcer] Vince, now just realizing his sedated wife, Linda, is here! 405 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:23,055 During the match with Shane, Linda slowly stood up. [laughs] 406 00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:25,015 [crowd cheering] 407 00:20:25,098 --> 00:20:26,433 [announcer yelling] 408 00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:29,353 Right into the McMahon family jewels! 409 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,439 It was a huge bop, and we had to finish after that. 410 00:20:32,522 --> 00:20:36,485 [announcer] Wait a minute. Vince is in one corner, Shane in another. 411 00:20:36,568 --> 00:20:38,946 [McMahon] The audience loves it when it looks like it's real. 412 00:20:39,696 --> 00:20:40,906 -[thud] -[announcer] Oh my God! 413 00:20:40,989 --> 00:20:43,992 [McMahon] Sometimes it is real. These are real-life McMahons. 414 00:20:44,743 --> 00:20:47,788 When you build up the tension, you build up these characters, 415 00:20:47,871 --> 00:20:51,250 and then you have the resolution of that story, ah, it feels so good. 416 00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:54,419 [announcer] Shane McMahon has defeated his father 417 00:20:54,503 --> 00:20:58,215 in a hellacious street fight here at WrestleMania! 418 00:21:03,011 --> 00:21:05,347 [Meltzer] For Vince, nothing was off-limits. 419 00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:09,351 What's real? What's not real? It doesn't matter. 420 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:12,813 If it's gonna draw money, if it's gonna draw interest, 421 00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:16,733 anything that makes his business stronger is open for him. 422 00:21:16,817 --> 00:21:20,654 I want you to give your mother a message, and that is that soon, 423 00:21:20,737 --> 00:21:25,617 after this divorce is final, there's gonna be a new Mrs. McMahon. 424 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:30,455 A voluptuous Mrs. McMahon that can keep up with my sexual prowess. 425 00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:31,415 Uh-huh. 426 00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:36,461 [Hammer] Vince was a master of blurring storylines. 427 00:21:36,545 --> 00:21:41,008 He would twist something that started out with a piece of reality, 428 00:21:41,091 --> 00:21:44,428 and then just take it step by step 429 00:21:44,511 --> 00:21:48,682 into a place where you didn't know what to believe, what you didn't believe. 430 00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:52,060 You owe me... Sable. 431 00:21:53,395 --> 00:21:55,647 And when people like you owe me... 432 00:21:58,442 --> 00:22:01,653 I generally... collect. 433 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,073 [Meltzer] Sable is probably one of the, 434 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:08,368 as far as pure successes in marketing for a short period of time, 435 00:22:08,452 --> 00:22:11,913 {\an8}she's one of the more underrated characters they ever had. 436 00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:15,292 I mean, she was an absolute ratings draw. 437 00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:17,169 Sable'd get on the air, 438 00:22:17,252 --> 00:22:20,130 half a million people would tune in during her segments. 439 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:23,091 The only one I remember who'd do better was Austin. 440 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:29,681 But she left at the peak of her popularity and sued the company. 441 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:30,849 [reporter] In this corner, 442 00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:34,269 former World Wrestling Entertainment women's champion Sable. 443 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,480 Her opponent, Vince McMahon. 444 00:22:36,563 --> 00:22:39,733 At the center of this feud is a $110 million lawsuit 445 00:22:39,816 --> 00:22:42,402 that included charges of sexual harassment. 446 00:22:42,486 --> 00:22:45,614 So they were asking you to do things you didn't want to do? 447 00:22:45,697 --> 00:22:46,907 -Yes. -More or less. Okay. 448 00:22:46,990 --> 00:22:49,993 They were making me do things I did not want to do, so... 449 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:54,373 [Landsberg] Sable sued you, the WWE, for $110 million, 450 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:58,168 alleging amongst other things, she felt degraded. 451 00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:01,713 I don't think I asked her to do anything that was degrading at all. 452 00:23:02,506 --> 00:23:04,383 [interviewer] To another lawsuit, who was Sable, 453 00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:07,427 and how did she factor into the organization? 454 00:23:07,511 --> 00:23:10,597 Yeah, I don't remember much about Sable in terms of the lawsuit. 455 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,142 [interviewer] You don't remember any of the allegations that came out of that? 456 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:16,019 No, I don't. It's kind of a blur. 457 00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:18,522 All I know is she came back to work, so... 458 00:23:19,898 --> 00:23:25,237 Stephanie McMahon, I want you to meet your new assistant, Sable. 459 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,280 -[crowd cheering] -[announcer] Whoa! 460 00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:29,908 Does Sable's body make you forget 461 00:23:29,991 --> 00:23:33,620 that Sable sued our company for millions of dollars? 462 00:23:33,703 --> 00:23:35,705 That Sable jumped on the bandwagon 463 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,833 of any person who's trying to sue our company? 464 00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:39,459 It's all about money to her. 465 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:41,294 That's all Sable cares about. 466 00:23:41,378 --> 00:23:44,548 And what did Sable sue for? Sue you, sue me? 467 00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:46,967 She sued us for sexual harassment! 468 00:23:47,884 --> 00:23:52,222 The thing with Vince is that Vince will do anything 469 00:23:52,305 --> 00:23:55,684 if he thinks it's right for business, including hiring someone who sued him. 470 00:23:55,767 --> 00:24:00,063 Well, I guess there are a couple of ways to thank you. 471 00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:03,066 Why don't we start with this? 472 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:07,654 [interviewer] When you brought her back, there was a storyline with your character 473 00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:09,114 where there was an affair. 474 00:24:09,197 --> 00:24:10,073 With who? 475 00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:11,158 With Sable. 476 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:12,367 -Me? -[interviewer] With you. 477 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:16,580 -[man] Storyline. -[Paul Heyman] Storyline. 478 00:24:16,663 --> 00:24:18,206 [chuckles] God. 479 00:24:19,499 --> 00:24:21,460 [Mazer] Because it's in the ring, 480 00:24:21,543 --> 00:24:25,922 we can be entertainingly appalled by whatever he says or does, 481 00:24:26,006 --> 00:24:28,425 but we have plausible deniability, 482 00:24:28,508 --> 00:24:32,262 because it's just wrestling, it's just a performance. 483 00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:36,141 We take for granted that Vince McMahon, in constructing Mr. McMahon, 484 00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:39,269 has pulled from his own personal story 485 00:24:39,352 --> 00:24:41,271 in order to appeal to us. 486 00:24:41,354 --> 00:24:44,941 [interviewer] Do you remember in 2001, you did that Playboy interview? 487 00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:46,485 Yes, right. 488 00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:51,656 [interviewer] And you talked in that one about different affairs. 489 00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:54,534 [intriguing music playing] 490 00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:04,711 [interviewer] I was curious why you would even go there in that article. 491 00:25:05,253 --> 00:25:08,715 In that article, I felt like I was very straightforward. 492 00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:11,218 Uh, I wasn't playing a character then. You know? 493 00:25:11,301 --> 00:25:13,970 It was a very straightforward, honest reaction 494 00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:15,764 to the questions that were asked. 495 00:25:15,847 --> 00:25:17,849 [intriguing music continues] 496 00:25:24,606 --> 00:25:27,901 [interviewer] Did you feel like some of these storylines that came up later, 497 00:25:27,984 --> 00:25:30,820 that you were incorporating those elements from your life? 498 00:25:30,904 --> 00:25:32,864 -Or was that totally unrelated? -[scoffs] 499 00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:34,574 Uh, totally unrelated. 500 00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:37,452 You know, again, me as a human being, generally speaking, 501 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:39,079 is not who that character is, 502 00:25:39,162 --> 00:25:42,499 although sometimes, people think it's the same thing, jokingly, 503 00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,751 uh, but, nonetheless, no. 504 00:25:47,796 --> 00:25:53,009 Vince McMahon has had one truly monogamous relationship 505 00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:54,678 in his entire life, 506 00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:57,931 and that's with the business that he built. 507 00:25:58,848 --> 00:26:03,770 That's his passion. That's his love. That's his master. 508 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,523 Vince doesn't own the business. 509 00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:09,693 This business owns Vince McMahon. 510 00:26:10,318 --> 00:26:17,200 And he super serves it with his heart and his passion and his life. 511 00:26:18,451 --> 00:26:21,788 And if that hurts his wife's feelings, Stephanie's feelings, 512 00:26:21,871 --> 00:26:26,876 Shane's feelings, his father's feelings, or his own feelings... 513 00:26:28,461 --> 00:26:29,921 those people be damned. 514 00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:32,340 -[blast] -[crowd cheering] 515 00:26:34,009 --> 00:26:36,219 [reporter] With wrestling's popularity soaring, 516 00:26:36,303 --> 00:26:38,513 the owners of World Wrestling Entertainment 517 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:43,101 put their heads together, and they've decided to sell stock in their circus. 518 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:46,354 The WWE is going public. 519 00:26:48,023 --> 00:26:49,941 [McMahon] Going public meant a number of things. 520 00:26:50,734 --> 00:26:56,072 It made us legitimate, but the primary reason is simply business. 521 00:26:56,656 --> 00:26:59,951 The amount of money that was available to the company, 522 00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:03,955 it allowed us to go into the casino business. 523 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,501 It allowed us to go into the restaurant business. 524 00:27:08,585 --> 00:27:10,086 [reporter] Wrestling fans went wild 525 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:13,465 at the opening of a new restaurant bar in New York's Times Square. 526 00:27:13,548 --> 00:27:16,051 {\an8}We're right in the middle of it. That's where we belong. 527 00:27:16,926 --> 00:27:18,845 To have that investment, 528 00:27:18,928 --> 00:27:22,474 you can move it around, you can reinvest in yourself, naturally, 529 00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:23,767 which we've always done, 530 00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:27,520 and you can look at other things that might be of value. 531 00:27:28,188 --> 00:27:29,064 [crowd cheering] 532 00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:33,151 [announcer] Welcome, everybody, once again, to WCW! 533 00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:38,573 Kidman and The Franchise take their personal vendetta to the ring... 534 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,492 ...in a Viagra-on-a-pole match. 535 00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:44,871 [Gewirtz] By 2000, WWE had taken firm control 536 00:27:44,954 --> 00:27:47,666 of the Monday Night Wars against WCW. 537 00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:49,876 We would just kind of laugh at it. 538 00:27:49,959 --> 00:27:52,837 -[announcer 1] Oh my goodness! -[announcer 2] Mouth is full of Viagra. 539 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:55,006 It was a long, slow, painful decline. 540 00:27:56,925 --> 00:28:00,095 It was a lot of different people in charge, 541 00:28:00,178 --> 00:28:01,805 and it just hit rock bottom. 542 00:28:01,888 --> 00:28:03,348 [announcer] A dozen Twinkies there! 543 00:28:03,932 --> 00:28:06,476 [Prichard] It felt like WCW wasn't even trying. 544 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:12,399 {\an8}[Huffman] From a war perspective, the guys fought as hard as they could, 545 00:28:12,482 --> 00:28:14,234 but I don't think you can win a war 546 00:28:14,317 --> 00:28:17,195 if you don't have the right people in the war room 547 00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:18,905 making the right decisions. 548 00:28:19,489 --> 00:28:21,074 Get the hell out of my office. 549 00:28:21,157 --> 00:28:24,577 And just... I dare you. Get it right. I dare you. 550 00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:27,247 Did Eric Bischoff do a lot of things right? Perhaps. 551 00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:29,165 Did he do a lot of things wrong? Yes. 552 00:28:29,249 --> 00:28:31,668 He was the boss, but he dropped the ball. 553 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:35,171 [Bischoff] It would be easy for someone to say, "Look at Eric." 554 00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:38,717 "He went from being really successful, and he let that success get to his head." 555 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,719 I understand why someone would say that, 556 00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:44,180 but it's also someone who has no idea 557 00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:46,683 what was really going on behind the scenes. 558 00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:51,396 [reporter] The birth of the largest media and entertainment company in the world. 559 00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:55,442 The $7.5 billion merger of Time Warner and Turner Broadcasting 560 00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:56,901 has been completed. 561 00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:00,363 [Bischoff] Things had gotten so bad internally at WCW 562 00:29:00,447 --> 00:29:02,866 because of the AOL-Time Warner merger, 563 00:29:02,949 --> 00:29:06,619 where I was sitting in a room full of 12, 14 executives I'd never met before 564 00:29:07,203 --> 00:29:09,164 telling me how I was gonna produce wrestling 565 00:29:09,247 --> 00:29:11,458 when none of them had ever watched the product. 566 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,209 [announcer] Oh my God! 567 00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:18,465 [Bischoff] None of those executives wanted WCW as a part of AOL-Time Warner. 568 00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:20,967 {\an8}Wrestling was lowbrow entertainment, 569 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:22,802 despite the fact that it was hugely popular. 570 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:25,388 [announcer] Is this an end of an era? 571 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,348 [Meltzer] The narrative is that the merger comes, 572 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:29,142 and these people don't want wrestling. 573 00:29:29,225 --> 00:29:31,811 It's a crutch. WCW was putting out a terrible product. 574 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,897 [announcer 1] Guerilla warfare in a swimming pool! 575 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:35,607 [announcer 2] Here comes Buzzkill! 576 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:36,649 [announcer 3] Number 69... 577 00:29:36,733 --> 00:29:39,819 I remember being told specifically if our ratings were what they were 578 00:29:39,903 --> 00:29:41,362 and we weren't losing so much money, 579 00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:43,156 they were fine. 580 00:29:43,239 --> 00:29:45,617 When it became a big money-losing company, 581 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,203 yes, they wanted to sell it for obvious reasons. 582 00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:50,038 And so that opened the door to Vince. 583 00:29:50,121 --> 00:29:51,956 You listen to me, all right? 584 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,042 [Shane] The company got a call from Turner to say, 585 00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,586 "Hey, we're thinking about selling this. Are you interested?" 586 00:29:57,545 --> 00:29:58,797 The answer is yes. 587 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,340 And in about three days, 588 00:30:00,423 --> 00:30:02,592 the whole landscape of the business changed. 589 00:30:03,718 --> 00:30:05,887 [McMahon] I often think about Ted Turner. 590 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:09,182 And he said, "Yeah, when it comes to the competition, 591 00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:10,975 I'm going to squish him like a bug." 592 00:30:13,478 --> 00:30:14,604 That didn't happen. 593 00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:19,859 [Meltzer] Vince bought the company for $2.5 million, 594 00:30:19,943 --> 00:30:23,363 which he probably recouped a million times over. 595 00:30:23,446 --> 00:30:26,574 It was frickin' buying Manhattan for $24. 596 00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:29,702 [Gewirtz] I was lucky to be on the charter plane 597 00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:31,871 the night he purchased WCW. 598 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:33,706 We had a celebration on that flight. 599 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:39,462 I remember the plane ride was pure insanity. 600 00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:41,589 But the next day? 601 00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:44,050 Business as usual. 602 00:30:44,634 --> 00:30:47,303 It was done very quietly from a corporate level. 603 00:30:48,304 --> 00:30:54,227 But the way we communicated the purchase of WCW to the entire fan base 604 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:56,104 was live on air. 605 00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:03,611 Imagine that. 606 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,699 Here I am on WCW television. 607 00:31:08,908 --> 00:31:10,201 How can that happen? 608 00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:12,912 Well, there's only one way. 609 00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:15,373 You see, it was just a matter of time 610 00:31:15,456 --> 00:31:21,296 before I, Vince McMahon, bought my competition. 611 00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:25,383 That's right. I own WCW. 612 00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:27,760 In the negotiation, one of the things I wanted 613 00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:31,264 was two live shows on different networks to crossover. 614 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,766 {\an8}[Prichard] We did a live simulcast, 615 00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:36,561 {\an8}WCW's last Nitro in Panama City, 616 00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,271 and WWE was in Cleveland. 617 00:31:38,354 --> 00:31:40,565 And that was the big reveal. 618 00:31:40,648 --> 00:31:43,151 {\an8}[announcer] The winner of the Monday Night Wars, 619 00:31:43,234 --> 00:31:44,652 {\an8}ladies and gentlemen, 620 00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:46,738 Vincent K. McMahon! 621 00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:49,032 [McMahon] The audience was shocked, you know? 622 00:31:49,115 --> 00:31:52,493 And we were able to pull this off without it breaking beforehand. 623 00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:55,371 Obviously, you all know 624 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,626 I have acquired WCW. 625 00:31:59,709 --> 00:32:01,794 [crowd exclaims] 626 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:07,634 I was tempted to watch it, but I couldn't get myself to do it. 627 00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:09,010 It would be like... 628 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:12,972 finally admitting that I was really beat, 629 00:32:13,056 --> 00:32:14,891 and I couldn't get myself to do it. 630 00:32:14,974 --> 00:32:18,019 You have to grab your competition by the throat, 631 00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:21,397 and you've got to squeeze the life out of your competition. 632 00:32:21,898 --> 00:32:23,983 Just like I did to WCW! 633 00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:26,277 [pensive music playing] 634 00:32:28,863 --> 00:32:31,908 [McMahon] It's not like I get this great joy by winning. 635 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,912 This is really arrogant to say... I expect to win. 636 00:32:36,704 --> 00:32:41,250 So there's not this huge euphoria of, "Yeah. I won. Way to go." 637 00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:43,086 That doesn't happen. 638 00:32:43,169 --> 00:32:45,171 It's gratifying, but I'm onto the next thing. 639 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:49,550 [Gewirtz] That was a tremendous high because they took him to the brink, 640 00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:52,929 and he emerged victorious out of it. 641 00:32:53,846 --> 00:32:55,807 But, on the one hand, it was a little bittersweet, 642 00:32:55,890 --> 00:33:00,395 because Vince thrives under pressure and thrives under healthy competition. 643 00:33:00,478 --> 00:33:02,313 I think that brings out the best in him. 644 00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:06,067 Something is missing when you don't have that anymore. 645 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:10,488 So, you know, it's a new challenge now, like starting a football league. 646 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:14,450 [reporter 1] Fans with football fever about to have their craving satisfied. 647 00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:15,994 There's a new game in town... 648 00:33:16,077 --> 00:33:19,163 [reporter 2] WWE mastermind Vince McMahon. 649 00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:22,166 He's taking his marketing genius from the ring to the gridiron. 650 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:28,297 Today, we are confident in announcing our new brand, the XFL. 651 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:33,386 I announced out of nowhere that there's going to be a new football league. 652 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:35,972 Not being prepared, not in the football business, 653 00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:37,640 not knowing much about football, 654 00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:41,519 but there's an opportunity to play football when the NFL is not. 655 00:33:41,602 --> 00:33:44,939 McMahon says it will be the most exciting game in town. 656 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:48,568 A brand-new football league, and one with a decidedly different attitude. 657 00:33:48,651 --> 00:33:51,154 [announcer] A league where players must train harder 658 00:33:51,237 --> 00:33:53,406 and push themselves to the extreme. 659 00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:54,866 That was his idea. 660 00:33:55,533 --> 00:34:00,580 Take the sport and put more of a WWE flare and spin on it. 661 00:34:00,663 --> 00:34:04,667 Cameras and microphones on players and coaches, in the locker room. 662 00:34:05,376 --> 00:34:08,337 I wanted football that people could really relate to. 663 00:34:08,421 --> 00:34:10,423 You know, make characters out of everybody. 664 00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:12,467 We can follow that from a TV standpoint, 665 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:16,637 tell those stories so that you'd be more interested in the characters. 666 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,765 I think it's gonna be successful for a lot of reasons. 667 00:34:18,848 --> 00:34:23,102 We understand America. We understand what America wants to watch. 668 00:34:23,186 --> 00:34:25,730 In my view, this can't fail. 669 00:34:27,023 --> 00:34:30,151 [announcer] From a sold-out stadium in Las Vegas, 670 00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:32,612 week one of the XFL. 671 00:34:32,695 --> 00:34:38,242 Ladies and gentlemen, this is the XFL! 672 00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:40,078 [cheering] 673 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,412 [announcer 1] XFL is bold! 674 00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:43,748 [announcer 2] Whoa! 675 00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:44,749 [yelling] 676 00:34:44,832 --> 00:34:46,292 [whistle blowing] 677 00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:51,047 [McMahon] The first week of XFL ratings were awesome, huge. 678 00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:53,591 And from my standpoint, it was a success. 679 00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:57,095 [reporter] Curiosity-seekers made the first night of the XFL a success 680 00:34:57,178 --> 00:35:00,515 with a TV rating more than double what advertisers were told to expect. 681 00:35:01,182 --> 00:35:03,976 [Gewirtz] I think the answer to, "Are people willing to experiment 682 00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:06,896 with a McMahon-led football league?" was a resounding yes. 683 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,232 Everybody wanted to see it. 684 00:35:09,315 --> 00:35:13,736 It was just that when they did see it, the quality of play was bad. 685 00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:17,115 [announcer] Larry, on the Hitmen offense, from their 45... 686 00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:18,324 They got a piece of it! 687 00:35:18,407 --> 00:35:20,743 Not even swatted away, lost it! 688 00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:25,581 [Costas] The XFL had opened with a splash because there was heavy promotion. 689 00:35:26,082 --> 00:35:29,710 The football was not of high quality, but that didn't bother me. 690 00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:35,258 It was the whole WWE sensibility that surrounded it. 691 00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:40,263 I thought it was just head-bangingly stupid. 692 00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:41,389 And crude. 693 00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:44,892 [announcer] I love America! It's the land of milk and honeys! 694 00:35:44,976 --> 00:35:48,437 [Costas] People think I'm a little buttoned-up about these things, 695 00:35:48,521 --> 00:35:51,399 but everything has its place. 696 00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:53,276 If there's some wit surrounding it, 697 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:55,778 if there's some element of art or cleverness 698 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:57,822 {\an8}or high craft surrounding it, 699 00:35:57,905 --> 00:36:00,825 then I don't give a fuck. Okay? 700 00:36:00,908 --> 00:36:02,326 I don't give a fuck. 701 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,037 But this had none of that. 702 00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:08,833 {\an8}[anchor] Any question about the fan demographic the XFL's trying to appeal to? 703 00:36:08,916 --> 00:36:12,712 Name the team Memphis Frustrated Males Who Still Live With Mom. 704 00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:16,424 [McMahon] NBC thought they really had a handle on the press, 705 00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:18,467 and the press would treat us kindly. [chuckles] 706 00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:22,096 All the NBC executives responsible for creating the XFL 707 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,433 will be thrown to their deaths. That's right. 708 00:36:25,516 --> 00:36:27,143 [intriguing music playing] 709 00:36:27,226 --> 00:36:28,936 [Costas] The XFL was a disaster. 710 00:36:30,313 --> 00:36:32,690 By the time Vince sat down with me, 711 00:36:32,773 --> 00:36:35,651 it had already recorded the lowest ratings 712 00:36:35,735 --> 00:36:39,030 in the history of American prime time television. 713 00:36:39,113 --> 00:36:43,367 XFL ratings are down 75% from week one. 714 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:45,745 I said to Vince in the green room beforehand, 715 00:36:45,828 --> 00:36:47,914 "There are gonna be some tough questions here." 716 00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:50,833 "I think they'll be fair, but tough." He said, "Fine." 717 00:36:50,917 --> 00:36:54,921 I thought I was gonna go on and talk about the XFL and be friendly. 718 00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:58,090 I was told that's what it was gonna be. Costas started baiting me. 719 00:36:58,174 --> 00:37:00,593 The pregame show, especially week one. 720 00:37:00,676 --> 00:37:01,510 We don't have those. 721 00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:03,346 One of the most mindless things I've seen. 722 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:06,849 Bob did his job. He did it well. 723 00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:07,850 He got me. 724 00:37:07,934 --> 00:37:11,103 -Wanna let me finish for a second, pal? -I'm asking you the question. 725 00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:14,398 Then shut your mouth and let me answer the question. 726 00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:15,942 I'll be happy to answer. 727 00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:18,736 And I find myself getting closer and closer. 728 00:37:18,819 --> 00:37:21,280 I could feel my hands just visualizing 729 00:37:21,364 --> 00:37:24,325 what would it be if I had my hands wrapped around his little neck. 730 00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:26,911 You don't know what you're talking about. 731 00:37:27,411 --> 00:37:30,164 The Mr. McMahon character is, in some sense, 732 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:33,417 an exaggeration of traits that Vince has. 733 00:37:33,501 --> 00:37:36,462 So, maybe in that moment, some of it melded. 734 00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:38,923 -Would you let me finish? -Absolutely. 735 00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:41,592 What I'm going to say there, pal. With a big smile, okay? 736 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:44,929 -This is amusing me. -It's amusing you. You're amusing me. 737 00:37:45,012 --> 00:37:47,139 I was angry at myself too, because I was set up, 738 00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:50,101 and I should have seen it coming, and I didn't, like an idiot. 739 00:37:50,184 --> 00:37:53,688 -It's not WWE enough for that crowd. -Right. 740 00:37:53,771 --> 00:37:57,024 And it's not good enough football for the sports-minded crowd. 741 00:37:57,608 --> 00:38:01,487 I'm an entrepreneur. I'm what makes this company. 742 00:38:01,570 --> 00:38:05,908 I'm what makes my company, and this country, go round and round. 743 00:38:05,992 --> 00:38:07,702 I take risk. 744 00:38:07,785 --> 00:38:12,999 The first season of the XFL, it turns out, will be the last. 745 00:38:13,082 --> 00:38:15,626 The league never took off with the audience, 746 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:17,169 or certainly with the critics. 747 00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:23,759 [Costas] The XFL failed because it wasn't a good product. 748 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,137 You know, in its best years, 749 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:32,101 the WWE, on its own terms, was a very good product. 750 00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,478 This was not a good product. 751 00:38:35,187 --> 00:38:38,024 [Gewirtz] I think the XFL folding after for one year stung. 752 00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:40,693 I mean, you know, Vince went all out on it. 753 00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:43,487 The XFL logo that people were seeing, 754 00:38:43,571 --> 00:38:46,907 it was Vince holding the XFL ball and looking in the camera. 755 00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:48,951 Shit. 756 00:38:50,077 --> 00:38:51,245 That was the shit. 757 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:54,582 [Prichard] During that time, it was not good. 758 00:38:55,291 --> 00:38:58,461 One after another after another after another. 759 00:38:59,086 --> 00:39:03,716 [reporter] World Wrestling Entertainment cannot use "WWF" anymore. 760 00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:07,553 It got body-slammed today by the World Wildlife Fund. 761 00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,389 [McMahon] When this lawsuit was filed, 762 00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:13,184 we tried to fight it, as we do most lawsuits. 763 00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:15,895 And it looked like, "Wait. We're not gonna win this thing." 764 00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:20,483 They had, in fact, used the initials WWF long before we did. 765 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:25,988 So it changed from WWF to WWE because we were entertainment. 766 00:39:27,698 --> 00:39:31,285 It wasn't necessarily a good thing that we had to change our name. 767 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:34,288 I didn't want to change, but you can't do anything about it. 768 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:37,666 Once something is closed, you have to move on. 769 00:39:39,668 --> 00:39:41,087 Whenever there's a failure, 770 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:44,465 and there've been a lot of failures in my life, 771 00:39:45,508 --> 00:39:48,594 if you allow it to fester, like, "I wish that would have worked." 772 00:39:48,677 --> 00:39:52,181 "If I'd have done this, that would've worked," it'll drive you nuts. 773 00:39:52,681 --> 00:39:55,643 Let it freaking go, and think about something positive, 774 00:39:55,726 --> 00:39:58,604 and work at something positive, not anything that's negative. 775 00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:06,570 Vince, you know, one of his, again, many axioms is, uh, "Don't sell." 776 00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:09,573 So it's not like he was moping around. 777 00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:11,742 If you went to work the next day 778 00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:15,704 after XFL was finally officially not coming back, 779 00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,206 you'd never know it. 780 00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:20,501 His focus was, "Okay. What do you got for Raw? Let's do it." 781 00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:25,172 [Johnson] I remember a conversation with Vince in one of the arenas. 782 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:26,549 He pulled me aside and goes, 783 00:40:26,632 --> 00:40:29,218 "I have this idea about bringing Hulk Hogan back, 784 00:40:29,301 --> 00:40:33,013 and I'd love for you guys to headline WrestleMania. What do you think?" 785 00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:38,102 And I immediately said, "I fucking love it." 786 00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:39,937 Icon versus Icon. 787 00:40:42,356 --> 00:40:43,732 -[man] How are you? -Good, brother. 788 00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:44,817 [Bollea] When I went back 789 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:49,822 after we spent nine or ten years being a big thorn in Vince's side with WCW, 790 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:52,700 and trying to put him out of business, basically, 791 00:40:53,784 --> 00:40:56,745 we did not talk about the past. 792 00:40:58,164 --> 00:41:01,208 [McMahon] He's caused me, Hogan has, a great deal of frustration, 793 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,919 and there were times that I wished I could choke him. 794 00:41:05,546 --> 00:41:08,174 But you can't hold grudges in business. 795 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:12,219 My philosophy is despite what has happened personally, 796 00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:13,679 what does the audience want? 797 00:41:13,762 --> 00:41:15,514 [crowd cheering] 798 00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:17,308 [McMahon] All they want is to be entertained. 799 00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:21,020 So, naturally, you swallow your pride and eat a nice plate of caca 800 00:41:21,103 --> 00:41:23,481 and bring him back, and there you go. 801 00:41:25,065 --> 00:41:26,942 [announcer] This is so special, J.R.! 802 00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:30,738 This is so unique! This truly is a dream match! 803 00:41:30,821 --> 00:41:33,199 [Johnson] But thinking back on that WrestleMania, 804 00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:36,327 I have goosebumps now, covering my body, 805 00:41:37,077 --> 00:41:41,290 because that crowd was on fire. And we felt it. 806 00:41:42,249 --> 00:41:44,668 There was this iconic moment, if you watch that, 807 00:41:44,752 --> 00:41:47,505 where they start absorbing the crowd reaction 808 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:51,091 and simultaneously start looking to their left and right. 809 00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:53,552 That wasn't rehearsed or talked about. 810 00:41:53,636 --> 00:41:56,055 Those were just two legends knowing to do that 811 00:41:56,138 --> 00:41:59,225 in the heat of the moment, and that became the most memorable thing. 812 00:42:00,434 --> 00:42:02,603 [McMahon] It was two eras colliding. 813 00:42:03,562 --> 00:42:07,358 And neither individual knew the way the audience was gonna react. 814 00:42:07,441 --> 00:42:08,359 I didn't. 815 00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:11,403 They were just ready for whichever way it went. 816 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:12,488 [grunting] 817 00:42:13,447 --> 00:42:16,033 [Bollea] I'm supposed to be the bad guy. He's the good guy. 818 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:18,160 [Johnson grunts] 819 00:42:18,994 --> 00:42:20,829 [Bollea] But The Rock started punching me, 820 00:42:20,913 --> 00:42:23,082 and they started booing him out of the building. 821 00:42:23,165 --> 00:42:25,084 [crowd booing] 822 00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:27,336 The script had to be changed. 823 00:42:29,296 --> 00:42:31,924 [Johnson] The moment we stepped in the ring, the crowd let us know. 824 00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:39,139 "We love you, Rock, but tonight, Hogan is the reason why you're here." 825 00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:46,188 I had to shift on the fly and nuance my way through this match. 826 00:42:47,481 --> 00:42:49,316 We didn't change the finish. 827 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:51,944 I still went over that night. 828 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:55,406 -[bell ringing] -But the real winner was Hulk Hogan. 829 00:42:55,906 --> 00:42:57,783 [crowd cheering] 830 00:42:59,827 --> 00:43:03,664 [interviewer] Do you think Vince ever trusted you after going to WCW? 831 00:43:06,625 --> 00:43:10,796 I think I probably got a higher level of trust now... [chuckles] 832 00:43:10,879 --> 00:43:11,839 ...than I ever have. 833 00:43:13,882 --> 00:43:16,051 I think there's a certain level of comfort 834 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:19,805 to know that I can't rip the shirt off and put 100,000 people in the building. 835 00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:20,889 [chuckles] 836 00:43:22,141 --> 00:43:23,892 [Gewirtz] Every decision he makes 837 00:43:23,976 --> 00:43:26,437 is with an eye towards what's good for business. 838 00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:29,481 Bringing people back that he's fired, 839 00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:32,192 bringing back people who've testified against him in court, 840 00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:34,778 people who've gone on interviews and blasted him, 841 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:38,032 and still bringing them back if he thinks it helps the company. 842 00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:43,078 Allow me to introduce you to the new general manager of Raw, 843 00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:45,372 Eric Bischoff! 844 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,666 -[crowd cheering] -[announcer] I cannot believe this! 845 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:50,836 People go, "I'm afraid to burn my bridge with Vince," 846 00:43:50,919 --> 00:43:53,172 and I go, "You know, if you do, 847 00:43:53,255 --> 00:43:56,800 you have a better shot of going back than if you don't." That's how Vince operates. 848 00:43:58,302 --> 00:44:00,220 [interviewer] Do you think it's a control thing? 849 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:01,972 It's a challenge. I think it's a challenge. 850 00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:04,600 If you knock him, 851 00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:07,811 he's going to want to prove at the end that you'll come back to him. 852 00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:09,730 [Bollea] Thank you, thank you. Love you. 853 00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:10,773 [man] Five weeks... 854 00:44:11,857 --> 00:44:13,859 I don't think my personal feelings 855 00:44:13,942 --> 00:44:16,528 have ever got in the way of doing good business. 856 00:44:16,612 --> 00:44:19,740 [rock music playing] 857 00:44:20,741 --> 00:44:23,911 There's one thing I've learned from the Montreal Screwjob. 858 00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:26,997 There's nothing sweeter than a good double-cross. 859 00:44:27,706 --> 00:44:29,041 [McMahon] I'm in business. 860 00:44:30,542 --> 00:44:32,044 And business comes first. 861 00:44:32,127 --> 00:44:33,796 [crowd cheering] 862 00:44:36,882 --> 00:44:38,592 [Meltzer] From a general public standpoint, 863 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:41,929 the hottest period they ever had was '98 to 2002, 864 00:44:42,012 --> 00:44:46,767 when they were taking over from WCW and then killing WCW. 865 00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:50,729 And then after that, after WCW went down, the whole business went down. 866 00:44:51,522 --> 00:44:54,900 During the periods with no competition, wrestling's a lot less interesting, 867 00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:58,612 and as far as the creative end, they fell from their peak. 868 00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:03,367 [Austin] At that time, I'm riding the lightning bolt, I'm on fire, 869 00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:06,620 but I was frustrated with the creative process. 870 00:45:07,871 --> 00:45:10,791 [McMahon] There were times when Steve was presented an idea, 871 00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:13,293 and he would go, 872 00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:15,087 "I'd never say this." 873 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:16,213 "I don't like it." 874 00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:17,715 "I don't like the creative." 875 00:45:17,798 --> 00:45:20,551 {\an8}Steve, lay it all on the line. Give us the bottom line. 876 00:45:20,634 --> 00:45:22,678 {\an8}Bottom line is everything sucks. 877 00:45:22,761 --> 00:45:25,222 {\an8}I'm not happy with the direction Stone Cold is going. 878 00:45:25,305 --> 00:45:27,516 {\an8}Ain't happy with the direction of the company. 879 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,977 Things were not good at that point for Vince and I. 880 00:45:30,644 --> 00:45:35,107 But I also had a lot of injuries, and I decided I've had about enough. 881 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:40,362 Probably be in the best of my interest to ride off into the sunset. 882 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,116 He was a huge star, and he's gone. 883 00:45:44,867 --> 00:45:47,327 [Gewirtz] It's a very malleable product, the WWE. 884 00:45:48,036 --> 00:45:49,913 Stars leave all the time. 885 00:45:49,997 --> 00:45:54,460 Someone like The Rock, because he took off in the movies. 886 00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:58,046 The Rock, him and Austin 887 00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:02,509 were probably 1 and 1A as far as being the top names in the company. 888 00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:04,845 Both of them were gone by 2004, 889 00:46:04,928 --> 00:46:07,514 and so now it's time to make new stars. 890 00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:13,187 So, there was an infamous promo where Vince was addressing the Raw roster... 891 00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:17,399 More than any one quality that makes me the successful man that I am, 892 00:46:18,317 --> 00:46:20,778 I would have to say that one quality is... 893 00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:23,822 And he said, "Ruthless aggression." 894 00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:26,450 ...ruthless aggression. 895 00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:27,659 [crowd cheering] 896 00:46:27,743 --> 00:46:31,288 He gave a speech to the entire cast of performers, 897 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:33,957 he'd be like, "Guys, we are searching." 898 00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:37,711 "This is the time. I need someone with ruthless aggression." 899 00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:42,758 Who has enough ruthless aggression to make the necessary sacrifices? 900 00:46:42,841 --> 00:46:47,054 I'm looking for someone who's gonna, like, "Okay. I'm the fucking guy." 901 00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:51,558 Who among you wants to become a superstar? 902 00:46:52,851 --> 00:46:55,979 [Cena] At that time, I was new and up-and-coming talent, 903 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:59,107 so I wasn't there for the on-camera speech, 904 00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,984 but three days after that, 905 00:47:01,068 --> 00:47:04,988 I was at a television taping where The Undertaker couldn't make it. 906 00:47:05,906 --> 00:47:09,618 Come on, guys. There's gotta be somebody back there that wants to seize the moment. 907 00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:10,786 [Cena] They needed somebody. 908 00:47:10,869 --> 00:47:14,873 And one person in the production meeting was like, "How about John Cena?" 909 00:47:15,874 --> 00:47:18,544 And that's how I got my first televised match. 910 00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:22,172 [announcer] This is John Cena. We've heard a little bit about him... 911 00:47:22,256 --> 00:47:27,177 [Cena] It was against Kurt Angle, a marquee performer in the WWE. 912 00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:30,806 What is the one quality that you possess 913 00:47:31,723 --> 00:47:33,267 that makes you think 914 00:47:34,268 --> 00:47:37,104 that you can walk out here and come into the ring 915 00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:39,439 and face the very best in the business? 916 00:47:39,523 --> 00:47:42,192 John Cena basically says, "Why am I gonna beat you?" 917 00:47:42,276 --> 00:47:44,695 "Because of ruthless aggression." 918 00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:48,907 Ruthless aggression. 919 00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:49,908 [announcer] Whoa! 920 00:47:50,659 --> 00:47:53,620 [Gewirtz] So that kind of spawned the next few years or so, 921 00:47:53,704 --> 00:47:57,958 and it became, after the fact, known as the Ruthless Aggression Era. 922 00:47:58,041 --> 00:47:59,877 [intense music playing] 923 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,588 [Cena] This was an era that was coming off of pushing the envelope 924 00:48:02,671 --> 00:48:05,132 and transitioning to an era of more realism. 925 00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:07,384 They were showcasing guys' ability. 926 00:48:07,467 --> 00:48:10,137 Guys like Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle. 927 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:12,180 They were using people's real names. 928 00:48:12,264 --> 00:48:16,518 Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit, Bautista. 929 00:48:16,602 --> 00:48:18,937 It was a phase of realism. 930 00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:23,442 So I had to be John Cena, and I really didn't know who I was. 931 00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:27,029 {\an8}And I didn't have personality. 932 00:48:27,112 --> 00:48:29,197 I just kept being this guy. 933 00:48:30,073 --> 00:48:31,241 It was uninteresting. 934 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,911 [boy] You suck, John Cena! 935 00:48:33,994 --> 00:48:37,247 Like, I almost got fired for being that bad. 936 00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,125 [announcer] Frustration by John Cena. 937 00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:42,419 [Cena] But when you kinda knew you were on your way out, 938 00:48:42,502 --> 00:48:44,379 I really wanted to have a little more fun. 939 00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:49,217 Some of the guys just happened to be rapping on the back of the tour bus, 940 00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:52,763 and I got up in my seat, made my way to the back, 941 00:48:53,347 --> 00:48:57,059 and for five minutes, I shredded everybody. 942 00:48:57,809 --> 00:49:00,354 I didn't realize that Stephanie McMahon was on the bus. 943 00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:02,397 She said, "Would you like to do that on TV?" 944 00:49:03,774 --> 00:49:05,609 I said, "Fuck yes, I would." 945 00:49:06,526 --> 00:49:09,279 ♪ Besides open mic One thing that gets me boiled ♪ 946 00:49:09,363 --> 00:49:11,990 ♪ Is an old-school 30-man battle royal ♪ 947 00:49:12,074 --> 00:49:14,701 ♪ I'mma witness I'mma make my impression ♪ 948 00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:17,871 ♪ Show Vinnie Mac That I got ruthless aggression... ♪ 949 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:19,498 [McMahon] John had the ability to rap. 950 00:49:20,082 --> 00:49:20,916 Bingo. 951 00:49:20,999 --> 00:49:25,754 Instead of being someone that you might want to cut from the roster, 952 00:49:25,837 --> 00:49:30,509 it was like, "Hang on. This is different. This is very different." 953 00:49:30,592 --> 00:49:34,972 John Cena, the Doctor of Thuganomics. 954 00:49:35,055 --> 00:49:38,767 [McMahon] He went out there balls to the wall and did it so well. 955 00:49:39,643 --> 00:49:43,063 All of a sudden, he was a huge star, and the audience loved him. 956 00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:49,236 [announcer] ...for the new WWE Champion, John Cena! 957 00:49:49,319 --> 00:49:51,571 [crowd chanting] Cena! Cena! Cena! 958 00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:53,198 [Cena] When you become popular, 959 00:49:53,865 --> 00:49:57,327 and the audience understands you and reacts to you, 960 00:49:58,161 --> 00:50:01,999 that's when you begin to garner Vince's attention. 961 00:50:02,749 --> 00:50:04,626 [McMahon] You kinda remind me of myself. 962 00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:06,586 You come out here, you say what's on your mind. 963 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:09,172 You don't give a damn about anybody else, do you? 964 00:50:09,673 --> 00:50:13,010 That's when our relationship really began to... to pick up. 965 00:50:14,052 --> 00:50:17,597 Vince taught me a ton about the business and how to perform. 966 00:50:18,598 --> 00:50:23,270 As the rap persona, I took so many things that I saw and didn't like 967 00:50:23,353 --> 00:50:25,981 and crafted them into this character. 968 00:50:27,524 --> 00:50:30,986 It's the same thing Vince did with Mr. McMahon. 969 00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:33,071 [crowd cheering] 970 00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:38,243 [McMahon] In terms of getting heat with my character, Mr. McMahon, 971 00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:41,455 one of my problems and one of my assets in life 972 00:50:41,538 --> 00:50:44,958 is when I think about doing something, I go try it. 973 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:46,960 -[announcer] What's that? [indistinct] 974 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:48,587 [crowd cheering] 975 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:54,009 Blessed be the name of Vincent Kennedy McMahon! 976 00:50:54,092 --> 00:50:55,177 [thunder rolls] 977 00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:57,220 The highway to hell! 978 00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:58,513 [kid] No! 979 00:50:59,306 --> 00:51:01,183 [interviewer] Was there a point during that time 980 00:51:01,266 --> 00:51:05,187 where you got a script or something and were just like, "This is too far"? 981 00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:06,104 Yeah. 982 00:51:06,188 --> 00:51:08,690 I screwed your brains out. 983 00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:10,776 Vince would make me do it anyways. 984 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,862 There was a bit of a concern amongst performers 985 00:51:13,945 --> 00:51:17,365 that if you didn't do what you were asked, that you would get punished, 986 00:51:17,449 --> 00:51:22,204 and, yeah, it did happen to some on occasion, sometimes. 987 00:51:23,121 --> 00:51:25,791 There was one time where I was the champion at the time, 988 00:51:25,874 --> 00:51:29,961 and then suddenly I was in a scene where I was gonna be making out with a female, 989 00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:33,507 which I didn't think my character wanted to do. 990 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:39,096 Was it a coincidence that I lost the championship the next week? 991 00:51:39,179 --> 00:51:43,308 [announcer] ...Stratus. Will it be enough? Yes, it is! We got a new champion! 992 00:51:43,391 --> 00:51:44,893 Maybe. [chuckles] 993 00:51:44,976 --> 00:51:46,978 Maybe I got punished. I'm not sure. 994 00:51:47,479 --> 00:51:49,022 [announcer] The new women's champion... 995 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:52,109 [interviewer] You said there were a few times that you said no. 996 00:51:52,192 --> 00:51:54,736 Do you remember some of the things you said no to? 997 00:51:55,487 --> 00:51:56,446 Yes. 998 00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:57,531 Um... 999 00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:58,782 [chuckles] 1000 00:51:59,616 --> 00:52:01,785 Yeah. There were a couple, but... 1001 00:52:02,369 --> 00:52:06,039 Yeah, I'm... not going to tell the one. 1002 00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:07,332 [laughs] 1003 00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:12,212 So, one of my storyline ideas was that Stephanie gets pregnant, 1004 00:52:12,879 --> 00:52:16,591 and I think... [chuckles] ...I was the one who impregnated her. 1005 00:52:16,675 --> 00:52:18,135 My character. 1006 00:52:18,218 --> 00:52:20,053 I think it was something like that, 1007 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:22,848 and it was like, "No." That one didn't make it. 1008 00:52:25,225 --> 00:52:29,020 [Levesque] Steph has Mr. McMahon the character, 1009 00:52:29,604 --> 00:52:32,149 Vince McMahon the boss of WWE, 1010 00:52:32,899 --> 00:52:34,651 and her father. 1011 00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:37,612 It's hard to separate. 1012 00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:40,448 -[screaming, grunts] -[crowd cheering] 1013 00:52:41,241 --> 00:52:44,995 [Stephanie] I call him "Vince" in business, and I call him "Dad" at home. 1014 00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:48,039 My father is different than my boss. 1015 00:52:48,623 --> 00:52:51,001 My boss can be tougher than my dad. 1016 00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:56,631 He expects results. He demands results, especially from his family. 1017 00:52:57,424 --> 00:53:01,052 [Gewirtz] Vince, he didn't wanna do total nepotism. 1018 00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:04,055 It wouldn't reflect good on Vince or on Shane and Stephanie, 1019 00:53:04,139 --> 00:53:07,184 so he had them in the trenches working various jobs 1020 00:53:07,267 --> 00:53:09,811 before they came on in prominent positions. 1021 00:53:09,895 --> 00:53:11,855 And he was tough on them. 1022 00:53:11,938 --> 00:53:14,107 When Shane and Stephanie were pitching ideas, 1023 00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:15,400 he'd flat-out reject them. 1024 00:53:15,483 --> 00:53:17,194 He'd flat-out say they sucked. 1025 00:53:17,903 --> 00:53:20,280 He wants to hold them to a higher standard. 1026 00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:23,366 [interviewer] Would you say your dad was tough on you growing up? 1027 00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:26,786 My dad was definitely tough on me growing up. Still is to this day. 1028 00:53:27,287 --> 00:53:32,292 I was harder on my kids in the business than anybody else. 1029 00:53:33,418 --> 00:53:36,713 I guess it's because I wanted them to be better than everybody else. 1030 00:53:36,796 --> 00:53:40,091 Their last name is McMahon, so step the hell up. 1031 00:53:40,175 --> 00:53:41,635 [photographer] One, two... 1032 00:53:41,718 --> 00:53:44,679 [Shane] Always a higher standard. You know, I represent him, 1033 00:53:44,763 --> 00:53:48,516 and it's very important to represent him correctly. 1034 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,893 Mariss, come down here. 1035 00:53:49,976 --> 00:53:51,436 -Attagirl. -[photographer] One, two... 1036 00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:55,607 [Stephanie] He was certainly easier on me than Shane, for sure, 1037 00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:58,276 but I didn't challenge him the same way my brother did. 1038 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,280 I think there's a unique relationship with fathers and sons. 1039 00:54:02,364 --> 00:54:03,615 [announcer 1] Father and son! 1040 00:54:03,698 --> 00:54:04,866 [announcer 2] Wait a minute. 1041 00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:09,162 [Levesque] People send you articles and books or whatever on family business. 1042 00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:12,457 I've never seen one that was like, "Dad was great." 1043 00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:14,251 "Got along great with my dad, 1044 00:54:14,334 --> 00:54:16,544 then he gave me the business, and it went great." 1045 00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:18,296 "We got along great till he passed..." 1046 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,423 Doesn't happen. It's tough. 1047 00:54:20,507 --> 00:54:22,217 Shane, what are you doing? 1048 00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:26,221 You gotta look no further than Shane. 1049 00:54:26,304 --> 00:54:28,348 [Shane] You never cared about me! 1050 00:54:28,431 --> 00:54:30,642 I couldn't do anything right for you! 1051 00:54:30,725 --> 00:54:32,143 Nothing is ever right! 1052 00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:35,146 My business deals, no matter how much money I made you, 1053 00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:37,565 was never good enough for you! 1054 00:54:37,649 --> 00:54:41,611 What the McMahon family has about it is a lot of people don't know 1055 00:54:41,695 --> 00:54:45,073 the internal dynamics of what goes on in real life. 1056 00:54:45,156 --> 00:54:48,285 Like, "Is it that cutthroat behind the scenes?" 1057 00:54:48,368 --> 00:54:50,453 The only thing I ever wanted from you... 1058 00:54:50,537 --> 00:54:53,915 The only thing I ever wanted is for you to be proud of me! 1059 00:54:53,999 --> 00:54:55,417 Of me! 1060 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,380 But I finally figured it out. That's never ever gonna happen, 1061 00:55:00,463 --> 00:55:02,340 because it's never been about me. 1062 00:55:02,424 --> 00:55:05,552 It's always been about you! You, Dad! 1063 00:55:06,219 --> 00:55:09,055 [Shane] But you don't peel back that curtain all the way, 1064 00:55:09,139 --> 00:55:12,267 because why would you ever straighten that out? Let people talk. 1065 00:55:12,350 --> 00:55:14,936 This is about family business. 1066 00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:18,481 This is about us, Dad. This is about you and me. 1067 00:55:18,982 --> 00:55:22,277 Oh, no, no, no. This is not family business anymore. 1068 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,447 This is my business. 1069 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,784 I would suggest that you get the hell out of here, 1070 00:55:29,868 --> 00:55:31,661 whether you're my son or not. 1071 00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:33,455 Right now. 1072 00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:37,917 [Hammer] I never really quite understood 1073 00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:41,463 where Shane fit into everything over the years. 1074 00:55:41,546 --> 00:55:46,426 Sometimes he was being embraced. Sometimes he was completely invisible. 1075 00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,012 I never understood what was going on, 1076 00:55:49,095 --> 00:55:53,183 but I always felt he was a bit of the black sheep of the family, 1077 00:55:53,266 --> 00:55:55,935 and I never knew what the actual story was 1078 00:55:56,019 --> 00:55:59,397 behind what happened with his relationship with his dad. 1079 00:56:00,982 --> 00:56:04,611 [Meltzer] Shane absolutely wanted to be the next McMahon, 1080 00:56:04,694 --> 00:56:06,529 and he always figured he would be. 1081 00:56:06,613 --> 00:56:11,659 At one point, he wanted his dad to buy him a company that he could run 1082 00:56:11,743 --> 00:56:15,497 and prove that he was the next generation McMahon promoter 1083 00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:17,665 before he takes over WWE. 1084 00:56:18,666 --> 00:56:20,460 [announcer] Let's get it on, baby. We've been... 1085 00:56:20,543 --> 00:56:23,922 [Shane] At the time, the UFC, they got in some financial problems 1086 00:56:24,005 --> 00:56:28,426 and came to us and said, "Would you like to purchase the UFC?" 1087 00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:32,597 I go, "This is cool." I said, "Dad, let's go for this one." 1088 00:56:33,723 --> 00:56:36,434 I felt we could really grow that brand, 1089 00:56:36,518 --> 00:56:39,938 because it's tailor-made for what we do. 1090 00:56:40,021 --> 00:56:42,982 We have a production team, live events team, merchandising team. 1091 00:56:43,066 --> 00:56:45,610 We have all of it just ready to go. 1092 00:56:45,693 --> 00:56:47,695 So, to me, it was plug-and-play. 1093 00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:51,241 [McMahon] When it was presented in terms of buying UFC, 1094 00:56:51,324 --> 00:56:53,535 I didn't like that business model, 1095 00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:57,622 {\an8}because our business model is you create characters, 1096 00:56:57,705 --> 00:56:59,582 {\an8}much like Disney or someone else, 1097 00:56:59,666 --> 00:57:01,543 {\an8}and we can use them forever, 1098 00:57:02,377 --> 00:57:06,005 {\an8}as opposed to a boxer/UFC. 1099 00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:09,259 Once you're beat, hurt or something, your career is over. 1100 00:57:09,342 --> 00:57:11,845 {\an8}This is the real deal. There's no acting involved. 1101 00:57:11,928 --> 00:57:14,597 There's no way these guys could act this good. 1102 00:57:15,265 --> 00:57:17,725 We're in show business. That's a sport. 1103 00:57:18,226 --> 00:57:21,479 So anyway, he thought about it and passed and... 1104 00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:25,150 He passed on the opportunity, and that was that. 1105 00:57:26,484 --> 00:57:28,570 [interviewer] Would it have been a good investment? 1106 00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:32,073 Hindsight's always 20/20. I think it would've been an excellent investment. 1107 00:57:33,783 --> 00:57:37,620 {\an8}[McMahon] Ten years later or something, UFC was sold for a lot of money, 1108 00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:42,041 and Shane, I think, wants to take credit for the idea of buying UFC. 1109 00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:44,961 Shane really thought that's the way to go. 1110 00:57:45,044 --> 00:57:48,631 So, if that's the way you think, "Shane, take your money and put it in." [chuckles] 1111 00:57:48,715 --> 00:57:51,634 Which didn't work... It wouldn't work, but... 1112 00:57:51,718 --> 00:57:54,762 'Cause it would take a huge investment, and Shane only had a little, 1113 00:57:54,846 --> 00:57:57,015 so that's not a good investment. 1114 00:57:58,683 --> 00:58:02,812 [Heyman] Most definitive moment I've ever seen between Vince and Shane 1115 00:58:03,396 --> 00:58:06,566 was a creative argument that happened one night. 1116 00:58:06,649 --> 00:58:11,070 Shane had an idea that he really believed in, 1117 00:58:11,154 --> 00:58:13,198 and Vince totally disagreed with it. 1118 00:58:13,698 --> 00:58:17,285 And with most things that happen with Vince, 1119 00:58:17,827 --> 00:58:21,164 once they start to escalate, they escalate really fast. 1120 00:58:22,123 --> 00:58:26,336 And Vince finally turned to Shane, and he said, "Not while I'm alive." 1121 00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:30,089 And Vince, who was eating something, 1122 00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:32,675 took his knife and handed it to Shane, 1123 00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:36,888 and he says, "Right there. Come on. Right there." 1124 00:58:36,971 --> 00:58:41,726 "If you want this so bad, stick the dagger right here, 1125 00:58:42,268 --> 00:58:44,896 because that's what you're gonna have to do 1126 00:58:44,979 --> 00:58:46,814 to make that decision." 1127 00:58:47,398 --> 00:58:50,235 "And if you don't stick the dagger right here, 1128 00:58:51,194 --> 00:58:53,488 then I'll know you're not man enough to do it, 1129 00:58:53,571 --> 00:58:56,366 and I have to take that into consideration as well." 1130 00:58:56,866 --> 00:58:59,702 "Or you can buy me out... 1131 00:59:00,912 --> 00:59:02,956 the way I bought out my father." 1132 00:59:03,498 --> 00:59:05,625 "And if I don't get out of your way, 1133 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:09,337 be prepared to get rid of me 1134 00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:12,340 the way I would have had to get rid of my father 1135 00:59:12,423 --> 00:59:15,677 when he wasn't doing things my way at all." 1136 00:59:17,136 --> 00:59:20,265 [tense music playing] 1137 00:59:20,348 --> 00:59:24,227 [Shane] It was a really hard decision for me to leave the only thing that I love 1138 00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:27,230 and the only business I ever wanted to work in my life, 1139 00:59:27,313 --> 00:59:30,775 but my dad, especially then, was strong at the helm, 1140 00:59:30,858 --> 00:59:34,320 and I was like, "If this is the time for me to go try certain things, 1141 00:59:34,404 --> 00:59:35,613 then that's the time." 1142 00:59:37,282 --> 00:59:38,950 [McMahon] The reason why Shane left... 1143 00:59:39,033 --> 00:59:41,452 Shane wanted to take the chair, so to speak, 1144 00:59:41,536 --> 00:59:43,454 and thought it was time for me to leave. 1145 00:59:44,706 --> 00:59:48,793 Shane had a lot of value, but it wasn't his company. 1146 00:59:48,876 --> 00:59:49,794 It was mine. 1147 00:59:50,295 --> 00:59:53,881 It's so difficult for family business. Damn, it's difficult. 1148 00:59:54,465 --> 00:59:57,385 It was almost like we were opposed on everything, 1149 00:59:57,468 --> 00:59:59,178 and we grew apart. 1150 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:02,098 [Shane] Just weren't seeing eye-to-eye on certain things. 1151 01:00:02,181 --> 01:00:04,183 But he's the boss. 1152 01:00:04,684 --> 01:00:07,228 When he says to paint something blue, we're painting it blue. 1153 01:00:07,979 --> 01:00:12,567 And I was just like, "I can either stay in here and watch us implode, 1154 01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:15,653 or it's time to step back." 1155 01:00:15,737 --> 01:00:19,782 He's my dad, you know? I'm not gonna jeopardize that. 1156 01:00:19,866 --> 01:00:21,868 So I decided to step away. 1157 01:00:24,412 --> 01:00:27,790 So I thanked him and gave him a hug, and that was it. 1158 01:00:28,916 --> 01:00:31,502 [McMahon] Everyone has to understand their place. 1159 01:00:31,586 --> 01:00:35,131 And when a family member thinks, "Wait a minute. I've got this..." 1160 01:00:35,214 --> 01:00:38,885 Get to stepping! This is my show! I'm running things here! 1161 01:00:39,886 --> 01:00:41,721 ...they don't quite have the vision... 1162 01:00:41,804 --> 01:00:42,930 I have the power! 1163 01:00:43,014 --> 01:00:45,933 ...as someone who's grown and created a business. 1164 01:00:46,934 --> 01:00:49,812 They have a different vision, and it may work. 1165 01:00:49,896 --> 01:00:52,690 But you know what? We're gonna go with my vision. [chuckles] 1166 01:00:53,691 --> 01:00:58,029 [announcer] Nothing that Shane McMahon planned has gone right for him tonight! 1167 01:00:58,112 --> 01:01:01,032 I would advise anyone, don't bring your family into the business. 1168 01:01:01,115 --> 01:01:01,949 It's brutal. 1169 01:01:02,033 --> 01:01:04,243 Somewhere along the line, it's going to explode. 1170 01:01:04,327 --> 01:01:05,662 [firecrackers exploding] 1171 01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:09,582 [reporter 1] Over decades, McMahon turned the WWE 1172 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:12,835 into a billion-dollar entertainment juggernaut. 1173 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,423 {\an8}But recent events indicate that leadership could be changing. 1174 01:01:17,507 --> 01:01:19,676 {\an8}[reporter 2] New bombshell allegations of sexual abuse. 1175 01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:22,136 {\an8}-[reporter 3] I mean, this is damning. -[reporter 4] Insane! 1176 01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:24,555 [reporter 5] Are they gonna jettison Vince? I don't know. 1177 01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:27,058 [reporter 6] The future of this company hangs in the balance. 1178 01:01:27,141 --> 01:01:31,646 [reporter 7] This most recent scandal is going to shock everyone. 1179 01:01:31,729 --> 01:01:33,731 [music fades] 1180 01:01:43,825 --> 01:01:47,787 [closing theme music playing] 101267

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