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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,673 --> 00:00:10,510 [announcer] We greet you from ringside for another great main event. 2 00:00:10,593 --> 00:00:11,636 [crowd cheering] 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,930 [announcer] Whoo! Here we go! 4 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:16,349 Believe me, Dr. Jerry Graham 5 00:00:16,433 --> 00:00:19,227 is not the favorite citizen in this arena. 6 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:22,272 [Vince McMahon] We all have favorites as kids. 7 00:00:22,355 --> 00:00:23,982 [chuckles] 8 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:28,361 My favorite was a performer by the name of Dr. Jerry Graham. 9 00:00:28,445 --> 00:00:31,197 -[propulsive music playing] -[McMahon] He wasn't a doctor, obviously. 10 00:00:31,948 --> 00:00:34,367 Big guy, bleached blond hair, 11 00:00:34,451 --> 00:00:36,870 and he would light a cigar with a hundred-dollar bill. 12 00:00:36,953 --> 00:00:38,872 [announcer] I have never known a guy 13 00:00:38,955 --> 00:00:41,958 that could make as many enemies as Dr. Jerry Graham. 14 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:45,253 [McMahon] He was a heel, in the parlance of our business. 15 00:00:45,336 --> 00:00:48,006 Maybe that's one reason why I liked him, I don't know. 16 00:00:48,089 --> 00:00:49,966 'Cause I never liked the good guys. 17 00:00:50,675 --> 00:00:52,218 I wanted to be like him so badly, 18 00:00:52,302 --> 00:00:55,138 I convinced my stepmother to dye my hair blond, 19 00:00:55,221 --> 00:00:58,016 and I learned to strut just like he did. 20 00:00:58,099 --> 00:00:59,225 "Yeah." 21 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:01,686 "He doesn't walk. You know, he struts." 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:03,855 [music fades] 23 00:01:03,938 --> 00:01:06,357 [McMahon] So, he sort of took me under his wing. 24 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:08,443 [compelling music playing] 25 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:11,404 "You want to take a ride, kid?" Boy, did I ever. 26 00:01:12,197 --> 00:01:14,199 He had this 1959 convertible. 27 00:01:15,158 --> 00:01:16,534 I'm riding shotgun. 28 00:01:16,618 --> 00:01:19,079 He's honking the horn going through intersections 29 00:01:19,162 --> 00:01:21,247 regardless if the light was green or red, 30 00:01:21,331 --> 00:01:23,917 and it's like, "This is grand." 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,169 "Man, I wanna live my life like this." 32 00:01:27,212 --> 00:01:28,671 He was just so flamboyant. 33 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,091 So aggressive. 34 00:01:31,174 --> 00:01:34,761 And the hubris and, you know, the color and all of that, 35 00:01:34,844 --> 00:01:38,139 it was like, "Yeah, that's who I want to be." 36 00:01:38,223 --> 00:01:41,684 [compelling music rising] 37 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:43,770 [music fades abruptly] 38 00:01:59,911 --> 00:02:02,539 -[audience clamoring] -[commentator 1] Are you kidding me? 39 00:02:02,622 --> 00:02:04,374 [commentator 2] Michaels? Are you kidding me? 40 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:07,669 [commentator 1] You gonna try to beat Bret Hart with a sharpshooter? Yes, he is! 41 00:02:07,752 --> 00:02:09,420 Ring the bell, ring the bell! 42 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:11,214 [bell ringing] 43 00:02:11,297 --> 00:02:13,258 [Michael Landsberg] In Montreal, in the Survivor Series, 44 00:02:13,341 --> 00:02:16,302 Bret Hart, "The Hitman," is counted out by Vince McMahon, 45 00:02:16,386 --> 00:02:17,762 and a brawl ensues afterwards. 46 00:02:17,846 --> 00:02:20,431 Unquestionably, the most controversial bout 47 00:02:20,515 --> 00:02:22,475 in the history of wrestling. 48 00:02:23,017 --> 00:02:24,644 [Paul Levesque] The Montreal Screwjob. 49 00:02:24,727 --> 00:02:28,314 It just was so crazy surreal. 50 00:02:28,398 --> 00:02:31,276 That caused such inner turmoil 51 00:02:31,359 --> 00:02:32,819 within the business. 52 00:02:33,403 --> 00:02:36,281 The underground world, what is now the internet world, 53 00:02:36,364 --> 00:02:38,825 got a hold of the behind-the-scenes information, 54 00:02:38,908 --> 00:02:41,578 and that was spreading like wildfire. 55 00:02:41,661 --> 00:02:43,997 [Levesque] You're seeing the reaction by people 56 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,166 of something they should have known nothing about. 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,794 [Dave Meltzer] The fans knew that Vince double-crossed Bret Hart, 58 00:02:49,878 --> 00:02:54,090 which was something very unprofessional by the rules of professional wrestling. 59 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:55,800 There's two sides to every story, 60 00:02:55,884 --> 00:02:58,720 but most people did not side with Vince on that one. 61 00:02:58,803 --> 00:03:00,346 [crowd cheering] 62 00:03:00,430 --> 00:03:03,057 Listen, the Montreal Screwjob, to me, as a Canadian, 63 00:03:03,141 --> 00:03:05,768 like, I fucking hated Vince. [laughs] 64 00:03:05,852 --> 00:03:08,521 Vince goes on television and tries to explain it. 65 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:10,523 He didn't come off very well. 66 00:03:10,607 --> 00:03:12,942 Bret screwed Bret. 67 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:15,945 I have no sympathy whatsoever for Bret. 68 00:03:16,029 --> 00:03:18,281 [Levesque] The "Bret screwed Bret" speech, 69 00:03:18,364 --> 00:03:20,283 that begins a moment in time 70 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:25,580 where reality takes front seat to fantasy, and we begin to blur the line. 71 00:03:25,663 --> 00:03:28,291 [commentator 1] And here comes Vince McMahon to a rousing... 72 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:30,126 {\an8}-They're being booed. -[commentator 2] What?! 73 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:32,462 {\an8}[commentator 1] They're booing McMahon out of the building! 74 00:03:32,545 --> 00:03:34,505 What's going on? We'll be right back! 75 00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:38,676 As a result of all this, I have all this heat, as we call it. 76 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,179 [commentator 2] I wonder if somebody's gonna knock the bejeesus 77 00:03:41,262 --> 00:03:42,680 out of Vince McMahon this week! 78 00:03:42,764 --> 00:03:47,769 And so I thought, "Okay, Vince, why not turn that into business?" 79 00:03:48,645 --> 00:03:51,064 Use now you as a character. 80 00:03:51,147 --> 00:03:53,524 [commentator 1] Vince has not endeared himself to this crowd. 81 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:57,070 [McMahon] I always wanted to be a performer, 82 00:03:57,153 --> 00:04:00,531 but my dad wouldn't let me in the business, much less that. 83 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:02,867 He just thought, "No, that's not what you want to do." 84 00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:04,953 I was like, "Yeah, that's what I want to do." 85 00:04:05,828 --> 00:04:07,956 When it happened, it felt pretty natural. 86 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,749 If you just show a little respect... 87 00:04:09,832 --> 00:04:11,000 [crowd booing] 88 00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:12,543 [Levesque] At that point in time, 89 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:15,505 Vince McMahon creates the Mr. McMahon character, 90 00:04:15,588 --> 00:04:16,839 the evil tyrant boss, 91 00:04:17,507 --> 00:04:21,803 and eventually, that would change the trajectory of the business. 92 00:04:23,638 --> 00:04:25,515 [Michael Landsberg] Let's talk about the business 93 00:04:25,598 --> 00:04:29,269 and the challenge that you have received from WCW. 94 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:32,897 If I look at cable listings for January in one week, 95 00:04:32,981 --> 00:04:37,026 WCW is number one, number two, number four, and number six. 96 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:38,903 You're down at number 18. 97 00:04:38,987 --> 00:04:40,363 [tense music playing] 98 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:43,992 [Meltzer] Through '97, WCW, they were just so far ahead, 99 00:04:44,075 --> 00:04:45,410 and their product was better, 100 00:04:45,493 --> 00:04:48,121 so I'm just thinking that this is just a domination, 101 00:04:48,204 --> 00:04:51,040 and it's gonna be like this for the foreseeable future. 102 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:53,960 {\an8}[announcer] Bret Hart! 103 00:04:54,043 --> 00:04:57,755 {\an8}I think once Bret Hart made the transition and came over to WCW, 104 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,969 I think if you were to put the rosters side-by-side on a piece of paper, 105 00:05:03,052 --> 00:05:06,431 WCW was in a much better position than WWE was. 106 00:05:06,514 --> 00:05:08,641 I wanted to dominate and win. 107 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:11,311 If WWE went out of business in the process, 108 00:05:11,394 --> 00:05:14,063 that would've been unfortunate, but I wouldn't have felt bad about it. 109 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:16,607 [announcer 1] What is this? 110 00:05:16,691 --> 00:05:18,609 [announcer 2] What a piece of work this guy is. 111 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:21,529 [announcer 1] Ho, ho! There it is! What is it? 112 00:05:21,612 --> 00:05:23,990 [Mark Calaway] For years, we were kind of stuck 113 00:05:24,073 --> 00:05:26,576 in that really young demographic, 114 00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:29,287 whereas WCW, 115 00:05:29,370 --> 00:05:32,915 they were hitting that 18-to-34-year-old demographic 116 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:35,043 with some really cutting-edge stuff. 117 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:39,088 You know, 83 weeks of getting our tails kicked in the ratings, 118 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:42,342 it messes with your confidence, it messes with your psyche, 119 00:05:42,425 --> 00:05:44,344 but it also lets you know that 120 00:05:44,427 --> 00:05:46,387 you gotta do something different. 121 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:50,433 I knew if we didn't change, we'd just get left behind. 122 00:05:50,516 --> 00:05:52,101 You're dealing with networks, 123 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:54,479 and you're dealing with people in the networks 124 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:55,897 that are looking at you going, 125 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:58,441 "Hey, these guys are beating you in the ratings, 126 00:05:58,524 --> 00:06:00,610 and I see our talent on their show." 127 00:06:00,693 --> 00:06:01,986 "What's going on, guys?" 128 00:06:02,945 --> 00:06:06,115 [McMahon] You listen to the audience, and you sort of feel it. 129 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:07,658 It's time for a change. 130 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:11,829 It was time for us to, uh, take another step and evolve. 131 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:15,666 [Bonnie Hammer] When I started working with Vince, 132 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:20,088 it was absolute war between the two franchises. 133 00:06:20,671 --> 00:06:24,634 It'll be me and you, McMahon, in the ring. 134 00:06:24,717 --> 00:06:29,972 Vince decided that he wanted to be known for pushing the envelope. 135 00:06:30,056 --> 00:06:31,933 For being bold, 136 00:06:32,016 --> 00:06:33,518 being a little crazy. 137 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:37,897 {\an8}[Bischoff] Vince came out and did an interview about this 138 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:40,900 new way of producing WWE programming. 139 00:06:40,983 --> 00:06:44,862 We in the WWE think that you, the audience, are, quite frankly, 140 00:06:44,946 --> 00:06:47,323 tired of having your intelligence insulted. 141 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:51,119 [Bischoff] Vince kind of teased all this newness that was coming down the road, 142 00:06:51,202 --> 00:06:52,954 and I thought, "Yeah, whatever." 143 00:06:53,538 --> 00:06:56,165 "You're gonna come out with another version of Doink the Clown 144 00:06:56,249 --> 00:06:57,458 and some evil dentist, 145 00:06:57,542 --> 00:06:59,627 and you're gonna keep doing what you're doing." 146 00:06:59,710 --> 00:07:03,339 I didn't know that Vince was making the decision 147 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,716 to create the Attitude Era. 148 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:11,097 [interviewer] Was there a distinctive moment when the Attitude Era was born? 149 00:07:11,180 --> 00:07:13,349 [exhales] Yeah, there was. 150 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:16,394 ♪ I think I'm cute, I know I'm sexy ♪ 151 00:07:16,477 --> 00:07:18,062 [announcer] Well, here he comes, folks...! 152 00:07:18,146 --> 00:07:21,190 [Prichard] One night, Vince was not at our television taping, 153 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:25,570 and Shawn Michaels came down in bicycle shorts. 154 00:07:25,653 --> 00:07:31,117 Right before he went out, he stuffed the front of his shorts with a sock. 155 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,910 It was gauze. It wasn't a sock. 156 00:07:32,994 --> 00:07:35,705 It was gauze that I'd wadded up from the trainer table. 157 00:07:35,788 --> 00:07:40,001 And I was just bouncing around, gyrating, and stuff like that. 158 00:07:41,002 --> 00:07:43,045 Vince's reaction was to call me the next day 159 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:46,924 and tell me how unprofessional it was and that he was fining me $10,000. 160 00:07:47,508 --> 00:07:48,801 And I said, "Okay, 161 00:07:48,885 --> 00:07:52,472 but you go back and watch it and tell me that isn't funny." 162 00:07:52,555 --> 00:07:55,308 If we're talking about "entertainment," it was very entertaining. 163 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:59,687 That was one of the things that got us into the conversations of, 164 00:07:59,770 --> 00:08:02,106 "You know, we need to start going there." 165 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:04,650 I felt like you can have respect for this line of work, 166 00:08:04,734 --> 00:08:08,321 but you don't have to act like it's freaking not weird. 167 00:08:08,905 --> 00:08:13,242 Suffice to say, I weaseled my way out of the $10,000 fine. 168 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:15,620 [Prichard] Vince was livid, 169 00:08:15,703 --> 00:08:20,416 but then three or four weeks later, I remember Vince pointing to him, 170 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:23,252 "Shawn Michaels. That's attitude." 171 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:25,379 "That's what he is, he's got attitude." 172 00:08:25,463 --> 00:08:27,006 "We need more attitude." 173 00:08:28,007 --> 00:08:30,176 The Attitude Era was born. 174 00:08:30,259 --> 00:08:34,055 -[propulsive music playing] -[siren blaring] 175 00:08:34,138 --> 00:08:38,559 [Prichard] The Attitude Era was just this transformation that took place. 176 00:08:38,643 --> 00:08:41,896 I mean, we changed how we presented our product. 177 00:08:41,979 --> 00:08:45,358 We got a little grittier. We got a little dirtier. 178 00:08:45,441 --> 00:08:48,277 -We made it a little more raw. -[yelling] 179 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:51,364 People just go, "Oh, the Attitude Era. Here's where it started. What it is." 180 00:08:51,447 --> 00:08:53,908 It was slowly bits and pieces over time. 181 00:08:53,991 --> 00:08:55,660 We are D-Generation X! 182 00:08:55,743 --> 00:08:59,664 -D-Generation. -You make your rules, we will break 'em! 183 00:09:00,248 --> 00:09:05,294 D-Generation X is what we would call, in sports entertainment, a faction. 184 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:08,506 They were an offshoot of The Kliq. 185 00:09:08,589 --> 00:09:10,341 They were anti-authority, 186 00:09:10,424 --> 00:09:13,886 and there's something about anti-authority at this time 187 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:15,805 that really spoke to fans. 188 00:09:15,888 --> 00:09:19,892 And whether it was part of the fiction or completely real, you didn't know. 189 00:09:19,976 --> 00:09:22,687 -This is going too far! -[Michaels] And then the next thing... 190 00:09:22,770 --> 00:09:24,272 But you couldn't turn away. 191 00:09:24,355 --> 00:09:27,358 [Levesque] When Shawn and I started doing D-X... 192 00:09:27,441 --> 00:09:31,571 [exhales] Man, most of the things we were saying and doing, 193 00:09:31,654 --> 00:09:34,115 Vince was coming back and telling us, 194 00:09:34,198 --> 00:09:36,909 "Goddamn, you guys do that again, and you're going to get fucked like..." 195 00:09:36,993 --> 00:09:39,662 You know, "USA's threatening to take us off the air." 196 00:09:40,705 --> 00:09:44,250 But we're like, coming in the back, and people are going crazy. 197 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:45,376 [audience cheering] 198 00:09:45,459 --> 00:09:49,088 And then there's a flip moment in time where all of a sudden it's, 199 00:09:49,171 --> 00:09:51,882 "Hey, that worked. Do that again." 200 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:53,509 [announcer] A fight bra. 201 00:09:54,176 --> 00:09:56,637 [screaming] What is... Oh my gosh! 202 00:09:56,721 --> 00:09:59,682 [Calaway] We just finally changed the writing 203 00:09:59,765 --> 00:10:02,727 to where it wasn't for a 12-year-old demographic. 204 00:10:02,810 --> 00:10:06,230 It got into that 18-to-34-year-old-male demographic. 205 00:10:06,897 --> 00:10:09,859 Once that door was opened, I marched right through it, 206 00:10:09,942 --> 00:10:11,235 because it was working. 207 00:10:11,319 --> 00:10:14,238 [Calaway] It was all about filling up those arenas and stadiums, 208 00:10:14,322 --> 00:10:19,452 and, you know, it was like we could do whatever we had to do to be the best. 209 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:20,828 [glass shattering] 210 00:10:20,911 --> 00:10:23,789 -[audience cheering] -[hard rock music playing] 211 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:30,087 The biggest star of the Attitude Era by far was Stone Cold Steve Austin. 212 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,216 [Austin] Anytime you stick your head in the ring with Steve Austin, 213 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:37,136 bottom line is I'm gonna kick your ass. Straight simple. 214 00:10:37,219 --> 00:10:38,095 [audience cheering] 215 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:40,473 [Shoemaker] He was something that we weren't used to seeing, 216 00:10:40,556 --> 00:10:45,853 this kind of foul-mouthed, roughneck, blue collar, Southern badass. 217 00:10:46,687 --> 00:10:49,440 [Austin] When I first got into the business of professional wrestling, 218 00:10:49,523 --> 00:10:54,278 I never had any designs on being as successful as I would be, 219 00:10:54,362 --> 00:10:56,739 because I didn't know how far 220 00:10:57,406 --> 00:11:00,242 some ragamuffin from Victoria, Texas, could take it. 221 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:02,578 [announcer] Introducing first... 222 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:04,914 [Shoemaker] Prior to WWE, Steve Austin was a wrestler 223 00:11:04,997 --> 00:11:06,707 {\an8}in WCW. 224 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:08,501 {\an8}But he got fired from WCW, 225 00:11:09,543 --> 00:11:11,087 so he winds up in ECW, 226 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:15,383 sort of the punk rock-indy federation in the pro wrestling world. 227 00:11:16,592 --> 00:11:19,095 [Austin] And walking into that federation, 228 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:21,639 man, it was an eye-opener and a hell of a scene. 229 00:11:22,306 --> 00:11:24,475 [announcer] This is extreme! 230 00:11:24,558 --> 00:11:27,812 -This is the ECW arena! -[audience cheering] 231 00:11:27,895 --> 00:11:30,314 [Paul Heyman] ECW was the necessary disruption 232 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:33,818 of the pro wrestling/sports entertainment industry. 233 00:11:33,901 --> 00:11:34,902 [audience cheering] 234 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:37,613 [Heyman] No rules, no regulations. 235 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:40,783 A testosterone and adrenaline-driven, 236 00:11:40,866 --> 00:11:45,705 no-holds-barred, this-can't-possibly-be-legal, 237 00:11:45,788 --> 00:11:48,040 what-the-fuck-am-I-watching atmosphere. 238 00:11:48,874 --> 00:11:50,251 It was a mosh pit. 239 00:11:51,001 --> 00:11:55,423 [McMahon] ECW was a wild-ass renegade-type promotion 240 00:11:55,506 --> 00:11:58,384 that attracted a niche, uh, audience, 241 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:02,555 and it was... very unusual. 242 00:12:02,638 --> 00:12:04,223 [audience cheering] 243 00:12:04,306 --> 00:12:08,853 I greatly appreciated the promotion and the promoter behind it. 244 00:12:08,936 --> 00:12:13,190 There ain't a mofo organization in the world today 245 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:16,277 like ECW! 246 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,319 [audience cheering] 247 00:12:17,403 --> 00:12:19,905 Vince always saw everyone else 248 00:12:19,989 --> 00:12:25,786 {\an8}as a feeder system to the major leagues of WWE. 249 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:26,704 [indistinct] 250 00:12:26,787 --> 00:12:29,582 [Heyman] So I knew we didn't have Steve for a long time, 251 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:32,334 but we were gonna make it quality time 252 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:35,588 for every moment that he was in ECW. 253 00:12:37,465 --> 00:12:39,925 [Austin] We achieved a lot of success in a short time, 254 00:12:40,009 --> 00:12:43,554 and finally, Vince took, uh, serious notice of me, 255 00:12:43,637 --> 00:12:46,432 and that's when I would go to WWE. 256 00:12:46,515 --> 00:12:49,894 {\an8}[commentator] Stone Cold Steve Austin. I love it, McMahon. 257 00:12:49,977 --> 00:12:51,937 {\an8}[Austin] So I turned into Stone Cold Steve Austin, 258 00:12:52,021 --> 00:12:57,276 and I became this just trash-talking SOB from south Texas. 259 00:12:57,359 --> 00:12:58,652 It became very entertaining, 260 00:12:58,736 --> 00:13:02,031 and people started disliking me, and we started gaining traction. 261 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:03,866 Now, at that time, 262 00:13:05,201 --> 00:13:07,703 everybody knows that Triple H was supposed to win 263 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:09,705 that King of the Ring pay-per-view. 264 00:13:11,248 --> 00:13:14,752 But then Triple H got punished because of what happened in the Garden. 265 00:13:15,544 --> 00:13:16,796 I hear a voice behind me. 266 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,048 It's Vince. He goes, "Hey, Steve, you got a second?" 267 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:21,759 I'm like, "Yeah. I guess so. You're the boss." 268 00:13:21,842 --> 00:13:25,387 He says, "Wanna let you know in two weeks, you're gonna win King of the Ring." 269 00:13:25,471 --> 00:13:27,181 [announcer] ...the King of the Ring tournament... 270 00:13:27,264 --> 00:13:30,726 [Austin] We get to the pay-per-view, I'm wrestling Marc Mero first. 271 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:34,814 We do a move, he kicks me in the mouth, you know, busts my lip wide open. 272 00:13:34,897 --> 00:13:38,317 I've gotta go to the hospital immediately and get 14 stitches. 273 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,445 Soon as I come back from the ambulance, Michael Hayes comes up to me and goes, 274 00:13:41,529 --> 00:13:44,573 "Hey, man, you got Jack "The Snake" Roberts in the final, 275 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:46,951 and Jake just cut a religious promo on you." 276 00:13:47,034 --> 00:13:50,454 The power above is reaching down and lifting me up. 277 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:52,957 And immediately I thought of Austin 3:16, 278 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,376 because back in the day, you'd watch football games, 279 00:13:55,459 --> 00:13:57,795 they would put John 3:16 signs in the end zone. 280 00:13:58,754 --> 00:14:00,923 I go out there, work the match with Jake. 281 00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:02,132 You're pathetic! 282 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:04,218 [commentators] There it is! 283 00:14:04,301 --> 00:14:06,554 [commentator] One, two, and he got him! 284 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:08,472 -[bell ringing] -[audience cheering] 285 00:14:08,556 --> 00:14:10,057 [commentator] Stone Cold Steve Austin... 286 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:12,643 I go up to the microphone and I just went out there 287 00:14:12,726 --> 00:14:14,186 and started running Jake down. 288 00:14:14,895 --> 00:14:19,483 You sit there, and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers, 289 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,652 and it didn't get you anywhere. 290 00:14:22,945 --> 00:14:26,740 Talk about your Psalms, talk about John 3:16. 291 00:14:27,491 --> 00:14:31,203 Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass. 292 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:32,913 [audience cheering] 293 00:14:32,997 --> 00:14:35,207 [McMahon] When Steve said that, I went, 294 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,543 "Oh my God. Tell me he didn't just do that." 295 00:14:37,626 --> 00:14:40,754 "That may not play too well you know, in the Bible Belt." 296 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:42,756 -[audience booing] -Piss off. 297 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,925 [Austin] And then I kept talking and kept talking, 298 00:14:45,009 --> 00:14:48,262 and I could hear Vince in the background 'cause he was doing commentary, 299 00:14:48,345 --> 00:14:50,389 and I said, "Oh man, I need a button on this promo." 300 00:14:50,472 --> 00:14:52,975 And so just out of the blue I said, 301 00:14:53,058 --> 00:14:56,812 "And that's the bottom line, 'cause Stone Cold said so." 302 00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:58,689 It was brilliant. 303 00:14:58,772 --> 00:15:00,441 It changed who he was 304 00:15:00,524 --> 00:15:02,735 and the perception of who he was as a character. 305 00:15:02,818 --> 00:15:07,781 The next night, everywhere you looked were Austin 3:16 signs. 306 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:12,786 Austin 3:16 took over, and it was insane. 307 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:17,249 When the Monday Night Wars started, and we kept losing in the ratings, 308 00:15:17,333 --> 00:15:20,753 for a while, we understood it because they had a really hot show. 309 00:15:20,836 --> 00:15:24,882 It was really fresh, and they had a lot of great talent and some cool storylines, 310 00:15:24,965 --> 00:15:26,800 but as we started to ramp up, 311 00:15:27,384 --> 00:15:29,011 we really thought we had a better show. 312 00:15:29,094 --> 00:15:31,305 We're like, "Man, what is up with these ratings?" 313 00:15:31,388 --> 00:15:34,391 "Someone's gotta be paying somebody off. We got a better show than they do." 314 00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:37,811 [Prichard] At that point in time, I remember Vince was like, 315 00:15:37,895 --> 00:15:40,147 "We need to do something here." 316 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:43,233 "We need a way to get a lot of eyeballs on us 317 00:15:43,317 --> 00:15:46,987 and do something in a really big way for WrestleMania." 318 00:15:47,071 --> 00:15:48,989 And that's what we did. 319 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:52,785 {\an8}At this time, I would like to introduce to you 320 00:15:52,868 --> 00:15:55,746 a man who is simply 321 00:15:56,580 --> 00:16:00,084 the baddest man on the planet! 322 00:16:00,167 --> 00:16:01,585 Ladies and gentlemen, 323 00:16:02,169 --> 00:16:07,007 "Iron" Mike Tyson! 324 00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:09,677 [crowd cheering] 325 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:10,970 {\an8}[Bischoff] I get a phone call. 326 00:16:11,053 --> 00:16:13,222 {\an8}"You're never gonna believe what they're doing next." 327 00:16:13,305 --> 00:16:15,140 I'm thinking, "Yeah, whatever." 328 00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:18,602 I was so ahead of him at that point, I was like, "Whatever." I was arrogant. 329 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,272 He goes, "They're bringing in Mike Tyson." 330 00:16:22,356 --> 00:16:24,817 I got uncocky real fast. 331 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:28,237 [Prichard] The idea for bringing in Mike Tyson came from Vince, 332 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,198 and Shane McMahon was heavily involved. 333 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:33,784 [Shane McMahon] We wanted a big personality, 334 00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:37,121 you know, someone extremely identifiable, to be a part of WrestleMania, 335 00:16:37,204 --> 00:16:40,207 and there was at that time no one bigger than Tyson. 336 00:16:40,290 --> 00:16:43,752 I believe he had gotten out of jail about three years earlier. 337 00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:47,047 [interviewer] Knowing Mike Tyson's baggage during the '90s, 338 00:16:47,131 --> 00:16:50,509 was it risky for WWE to so fully invest in him? 339 00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:55,097 He hadn't been arrested for rape yet, though, when we did that. 340 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,266 -Right? He had? -[man] Yeah, he had. 341 00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:02,604 [Costas] You know, Mike is not perhaps universally approved of now, 342 00:17:02,688 --> 00:17:05,983 but he certainly... His public image is certainly in a better place than it was 343 00:17:06,066 --> 00:17:07,067 at that point. 344 00:17:07,151 --> 00:17:09,945 [tense music playing] 345 00:17:11,613 --> 00:17:14,658 [Sharon Mazer] Wrestling at that level is about generating heat. 346 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:16,452 [crowd clamoring] 347 00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:18,662 [Mazer] Heat is what sells tickets. 348 00:17:19,538 --> 00:17:20,789 [commentator] Here we go! 349 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:23,333 And heat doesn't have to be positive. 350 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:24,543 Heat can be negative. 351 00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:27,504 Specifically, I would like to thank Mike Tyson 352 00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:30,924 for being the media magnet that he is. 353 00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:35,220 Tyson being on pay-per-view was a big deal. 354 00:17:35,971 --> 00:17:38,974 Mike would be the special guest referee 355 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:42,311 between Stone Cold Steve Austin versus Shawn Michaels. 356 00:17:42,394 --> 00:17:45,314 It's Mike Tyson, you know, like, one of the biggest names in sports. 357 00:17:45,397 --> 00:17:49,359 And by then, you had to be blind not to see Steve Austin was takin' off. 358 00:17:49,443 --> 00:17:53,322 Mike, I'll tell you this, if you get in my face at WrestleMania, 359 00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:54,907 I'll knock your damn lights out, 360 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,868 and you won't want to get back in the ring ever again. 361 00:17:57,951 --> 00:17:59,369 And that's the bottom line. 362 00:17:59,453 --> 00:18:01,205 [audience chuckling] 363 00:18:02,414 --> 00:18:05,584 [Meltzer] At that point, I thought that WCW, while still ahead, 364 00:18:05,667 --> 00:18:08,212 it's going to get very, very competitive. 365 00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:10,214 [announcer 1] It don't get no bigger than this. 366 00:18:10,297 --> 00:18:13,050 This is what our business is all about. 367 00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:15,344 It's about earning the opportunity 368 00:18:15,427 --> 00:18:17,721 to wrestle in the main event at a WrestleMania. 369 00:18:18,472 --> 00:18:20,224 -[announcer 2] Look out! -[announcer 1] Over! 370 00:18:20,307 --> 00:18:21,892 [announcer 2] Look out! 371 00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:24,019 [announcer 1] Look out, Mo! By God... 372 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:27,523 [Austin] In WrestleMania 14, uh, Shawn had a real bad back, 373 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:29,608 and so that match was very forgettable. 374 00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:32,194 [announcer 1] Michaels going for another kick. Austin... 375 00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:34,780 He got it! The stunner! 376 00:18:34,863 --> 00:18:37,324 -[crowd cheering] -Mike Tyson in! 377 00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:39,284 Austin is the champion... 378 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:41,870 [Austin] The match wasn't good. It wasn't anything to brag about. 379 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:44,498 I remember afterwards, I looked over at Vince and he goes, 380 00:18:44,581 --> 00:18:48,877 "Eh, Steve, don't worry about it. From here forward, it starts." 381 00:18:49,837 --> 00:18:51,380 [McMahon] I would like to congratulate, 382 00:18:51,463 --> 00:18:55,008 uh, the new World Wrestling Entertainment champion, 383 00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:57,970 who has an attitude, no doubt about that. 384 00:18:58,053 --> 00:19:03,725 Not one necessarily that all of us here in the WWE necessarily appreciate. 385 00:19:04,601 --> 00:19:08,772 [Bischoff] The Mr. McMahon character, at least in my mind, became a real thing 386 00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:12,776 after the Mike Tyson storyline played itself out. 387 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:16,363 Hey, Vince, are you... Are you turning into a bad guy? 388 00:19:17,614 --> 00:19:19,241 [McMahon] I've always been a good guy. 389 00:19:19,324 --> 00:19:20,826 Oh, but they're booing you now. 390 00:19:20,909 --> 00:19:22,411 I'll always be a good guy. 391 00:19:22,494 --> 00:19:23,829 [reporter] Oh, okay. 392 00:19:23,912 --> 00:19:26,957 [announcer] The owner of WWE, Vince McMahon, makes his way to the ring. 393 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,958 [crowd booing] 394 00:19:28,041 --> 00:19:31,170 {\an8}Quite honestly, not the most rousing ovation. 395 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:35,716 [Levesque] At that point in time, a feud with Stone Cold Steve Austin 396 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:40,429 would ignite and would start a battle between those two 397 00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:43,307 that would change the course of the business. 398 00:19:43,390 --> 00:19:46,643 Nobody, especially Vince McMahon, 399 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:50,063 tells Stone Cold Steve Austin what to do, 400 00:19:50,147 --> 00:19:51,607 and that's the bottom line. 401 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:52,733 [crowd cheering] 402 00:19:52,816 --> 00:19:58,989 But all of that based on blurring the lines of reality and fiction. 403 00:19:59,072 --> 00:20:01,575 [suspenseful music playing] 404 00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:06,663 You got to understand the power that a Vince McMahon has, the control... 405 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:10,375 [Calaway] You've got the eccentric billionaire boss Vince McMahon, 406 00:20:10,459 --> 00:20:14,213 and then you've got the anti-system Stone Cold Steve Austin, 407 00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:16,924 and they were perfect for each other. 408 00:20:17,007 --> 00:20:19,259 I will fire your ass! 409 00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:21,053 -[announcer 1] Good God! -[announcer 2] Whoa! 410 00:20:21,136 --> 00:20:24,890 It was about a guy who was trying to keep me down and control me, 411 00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:27,059 and it was about me trying to buck the system. 412 00:20:27,142 --> 00:20:28,143 You stupid bastards. 413 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:31,271 You ain't got the balls to fire Stone Cold Steve Austin. 414 00:20:32,022 --> 00:20:33,815 [Austin, present day] Any other era, I'm a heel 415 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:36,068 because of what I'm doing, the trash I'm talking. 416 00:20:36,151 --> 00:20:38,487 You're pathetic. You're completely pathetic... 417 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,073 [Austin, present day] But I was the guy that brought the gray area 418 00:20:41,156 --> 00:20:42,950 to the business of professional wrestling, 419 00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:45,702 which is usually a black-and-white type thing as far as love and hate. 420 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:47,454 [crowd cheering] 421 00:20:48,163 --> 00:20:51,625 See, in my day, there was a good guy and a bad guy. 422 00:20:52,668 --> 00:20:56,880 Vince Jr. made it the bad and the worse. 423 00:20:56,964 --> 00:21:00,008 There were no more good guys in wrestling. 424 00:21:00,092 --> 00:21:02,844 Society at that time had taken a rougher edge. 425 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:06,306 Society at that time had more attitude. 426 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:11,603 That forced you to create characters that fit into that gray area in the middle. 427 00:21:12,229 --> 00:21:14,940 [White] The fans did not want to see good guys no more. 428 00:21:15,023 --> 00:21:17,901 Nobody wanna see a good guy, even in the movies. 429 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:23,323 Look at the video games and the wrestling business. 430 00:21:23,407 --> 00:21:26,785 We cater to what is in front of us. 431 00:21:27,828 --> 00:21:29,621 You tap into that. 432 00:21:29,705 --> 00:21:31,164 That's big money. 433 00:21:31,248 --> 00:21:34,668 So Vince said, "Hey, give me some of that money." 434 00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:38,005 We don't always set trends, you know, we try to follow them. 435 00:21:38,755 --> 00:21:41,800 And back in those days, it was Wild West. 436 00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:46,680 [reporter] Stone Cold Steve Austin, who is as crude as he is mean. 437 00:21:46,763 --> 00:21:49,224 He's just about the biggest thing in wrestling, 438 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:51,643 worshiped by his fans. 439 00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:53,979 He feels like smashing a beer bottle, he does it. 440 00:21:54,062 --> 00:21:56,106 Feels like throwing up his middle finger, he does it. 441 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:58,191 -[groans] -[commentator] Oh no! 442 00:21:58,775 --> 00:22:03,947 [Mazer] Some part of us really loves watching the bad guys get over. 443 00:22:04,031 --> 00:22:08,452 Maybe the part of us that doesn't like the fact that we have to behave ourselves. 444 00:22:08,535 --> 00:22:10,704 You can't go around shoving people. 445 00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:13,332 You can't go around insulting people. 446 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:17,002 [announcer] And Stone Cold hammering away on the boss! 447 00:22:17,085 --> 00:22:20,005 [Austin] People live vicariously through those kinds of storylines 448 00:22:20,088 --> 00:22:22,716 and would love to punch their boss in the mouth. 449 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,136 You know, I got a chance to literally and figuratively do that 450 00:22:26,219 --> 00:22:28,013 almost every Monday night on Raw. 451 00:22:28,096 --> 00:22:31,808 [announcer] Oh boy, look out! Austin downs McMahon again! 452 00:22:33,268 --> 00:22:34,269 [sobbing] 453 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,563 [Austin] I think the fans responded strongly 454 00:22:36,646 --> 00:22:39,024 because he's such a strong character. 455 00:22:39,107 --> 00:22:41,568 He's just so over-the-top. He's larger than life. 456 00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:44,029 He's easy to hate, and he's also easy to love, 457 00:22:44,112 --> 00:22:45,489 but he's very easy to hate. 458 00:22:45,572 --> 00:22:46,865 [crowd clamoring] 459 00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:49,576 {\an8}[Prichard] Mr. McMahon, he's at the top. 460 00:22:49,659 --> 00:22:52,621 {\an8}So, any and everybody that's not at the top 461 00:22:52,704 --> 00:22:54,373 hates the guy at the top. 462 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:57,000 [announcer] He's got an entire collection of Corvettes. 463 00:22:57,084 --> 00:23:01,421 Vince walks by with his custom suits and his flaunting and everything. 464 00:23:02,589 --> 00:23:04,549 What's to like? 465 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,426 He's easy to hate. 466 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:07,928 Get that mic out of my face! 467 00:23:08,011 --> 00:23:11,473 It's my mic. I own that mic! I own that camera! Cut it off! 468 00:23:11,556 --> 00:23:15,268 And he became the most hated character in the history of the business. 469 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:21,983 [crowd chanting] Asshole! Asshole! Asshole! Asshole! Asshole! Asshole! 470 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:26,863 Mr. McMahon, of course, is a character derived from, uh, Vince McMahon, 471 00:23:26,947 --> 00:23:29,825 and is a character of someone I could relate to when I was growing up. 472 00:23:29,908 --> 00:23:31,118 [atmospheric music playing] 473 00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:33,912 Because when I was growing up, I was, like, dirt poor. 474 00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:37,999 Coming from that environment, I don't like rich people, 475 00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:41,044 because I was around some people who thought they were better than me 476 00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:43,380 because they had "more money." 477 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:47,008 So it felt like you weren't anybody at all. 478 00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:48,135 You were a nobody. 479 00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:51,847 And you learn certain things. 480 00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:56,268 In those days, I could fight, and loved to fight. 481 00:23:56,351 --> 00:23:59,396 If you could do that well, now you're somebody. 482 00:24:00,313 --> 00:24:03,400 I was good at fighting, but they would say, 483 00:24:03,483 --> 00:24:04,943 "You didn't fight fair!" 484 00:24:05,485 --> 00:24:06,695 You cheated!" 485 00:24:06,778 --> 00:24:08,697 [atmospheric music continues] 486 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,782 "Yeah? I won." [chuckles] 487 00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:12,742 What the hell's the matter with you? 488 00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:15,620 [McMahon, present day] And so, with my character, Mr. McMahon, 489 00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:20,125 I can play someone who intimidates, because that was the way I grew up. 490 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:22,377 That was the way I thought rich people were. 491 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:23,920 They'd try to intimidate you. 492 00:24:24,004 --> 00:24:25,422 You're gonna get it. 493 00:24:25,505 --> 00:24:27,924 [McMahon, present day] I know how to be an arrogant person 494 00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:31,470 that just throws his weight around and a bully. That sort of stuff. 495 00:24:31,553 --> 00:24:36,224 It's not my fault that I happen to be a self-made billionaire! 496 00:24:36,308 --> 00:24:38,602 It was easy for me to get into that character, 497 00:24:38,685 --> 00:24:42,230 because I knew all the things that I disliked. 498 00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,608 Some people are rich. 499 00:24:44,691 --> 00:24:46,485 And you're not. 500 00:24:46,568 --> 00:24:48,195 [crowd booing] 501 00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:50,655 [Austin] He knows how to manipulate a crowd 502 00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:53,533 as well or better than anybody that's ever done it. 503 00:24:53,617 --> 00:24:54,784 [applause] 504 00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:56,995 Hell, I'm a real Texan now! 505 00:24:57,078 --> 00:24:59,247 [McMahon, present day] I loved heat, as they call it. 506 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,666 When you go out and manipulate the audience 507 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:03,627 and, you know, they boo the hell out of you, 508 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,505 you really want to get that heat and feel it. 509 00:25:06,588 --> 00:25:09,007 You're not afraid of it. It's like, go embrace it. 510 00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:11,343 This is what I think of Texas. 511 00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:14,221 [crowd exclaims] 512 00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:15,889 [McMahon] Such a great feeling. 513 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:18,433 [Austin] Vince was a master at making people care 514 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:20,519 or making people hate him or feel emotion. 515 00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:23,271 Emotions are when you sell tickets. 516 00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:24,439 It's emotion. 517 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:28,068 If you mash that button so that you get emotion from people, 518 00:25:28,151 --> 00:25:29,986 they forget where they are. 519 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:31,780 They're not at a movie theater or an arena. 520 00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:34,282 They're right there looking at you. It's one-on-one. 521 00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:36,660 That's when you know you have them. 522 00:25:36,743 --> 00:25:39,788 -[commentator] Revel in it, Mr. McMahon. -I remember where I was... 523 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:44,000 Performing is easy. Being yourself is the more difficult part. 524 00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:48,505 [interviewer] And what similarities do you share with Mr. McMahon? 525 00:25:49,172 --> 00:25:50,632 The character Mr. McMahon with me? 526 00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:52,968 -[interviewer] Yeah. -None whatsoever. 527 00:25:53,969 --> 00:25:57,055 Mr. McMahon is an extension of Vince McMahon, 528 00:25:57,138 --> 00:25:59,099 but blown way out of proportion. 529 00:25:59,683 --> 00:26:03,186 The difference between Mr. McMahon and Vince McMahon... 530 00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:06,356 [laughs] Probably not that much. 531 00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:09,442 Exactly the same person. 532 00:26:09,526 --> 00:26:11,069 It's not a far stretch. 533 00:26:11,152 --> 00:26:15,407 The character of Mr. McMahon is really just Vince. 534 00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:18,577 He'll tell you different. No, Mr. McMahon is Vince. 535 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,249 A lot of the promos and the diatribes that have been cut on other people, 536 00:26:24,332 --> 00:26:27,919 I've had actually cut on me in real life. 537 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:32,215 "Ah, I'd never say that." I said, "Yeah, you would. You said it to me." 538 00:26:32,299 --> 00:26:35,093 [interviewer] Bruce claimed that he's been on the receiving end 539 00:26:35,176 --> 00:26:37,262 of the Mr. McMahon in real life. 540 00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:38,471 [chuckles] 541 00:26:39,389 --> 00:26:42,434 [McMahon] I'm very, very passionate about our business, 542 00:26:42,517 --> 00:26:46,271 and sometimes that passion is a bit effusive. 543 00:26:46,354 --> 00:26:49,274 So, I probably can get out of bounds a little bit. 544 00:26:49,357 --> 00:26:52,819 The Mr. McMahon character is pretty close to Vince the man, 545 00:26:52,902 --> 00:26:55,363 but, obviously, highly exaggerated. 546 00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,533 The best characters in wrestling 547 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:02,078 are guys at their core with the volume turned up. 548 00:27:02,162 --> 00:27:04,956 What you saw from me as Stone Cold was me with the volume turned up, 549 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,583 same with Vince. 550 00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:11,254 Much of great fiction is that funny line 551 00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:15,008 between reality and storytelling. 552 00:27:15,091 --> 00:27:20,263 Vince loved blurring that line between fact and fiction. 553 00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:22,807 A lot of people have confused through the years 554 00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:25,810 who my character was on television and who I am. 555 00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:29,731 It used to bug the hell out of me. "I'm not that guy." 556 00:27:29,814 --> 00:27:33,026 And then I realized, "It doesn't matter what you want, Vince." 557 00:27:33,109 --> 00:27:35,070 "It doesn't matter how you wanna be perceived." 558 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:37,864 "It's the way you are being perceived." 559 00:27:37,947 --> 00:27:39,658 Perception is reality. 560 00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:42,285 You can't change the way people think about you. 561 00:27:42,869 --> 00:27:44,162 [commentator 1] The double bird! 562 00:27:44,245 --> 00:27:47,666 [commentator 2] Pure hatred driving Mr. McMahon! 563 00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:51,586 Austin-McMahon, that dynamic was just ridiculously good. 564 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,630 You could make a great argument 565 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:55,507 it's the greatest feud in wrestling history. 566 00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:57,133 [crowd cheering] 567 00:27:57,217 --> 00:27:59,177 [Brian Gewirtz] The rise of Stone Cold Steve Austin 568 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:01,388 and Stone Cold versus Mr. McMahon 569 00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:05,141 is what generated the huge amount of ratings for WWE 570 00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:09,312 that essentially ended the 83 weeks of WCW beating them in the ratings, 571 00:28:09,896 --> 00:28:14,442 and, ultimately, like a tsunami, overtook the wrestling business, period. 572 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:16,403 It was the hottest thing in the world. 573 00:28:16,903 --> 00:28:19,614 [Bischoff] I say this, knowing it'll sound like I'm putting myself over 574 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:24,077 and being an arrogant prick, but Vince took our formula, 575 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,454 decided he was going to do it, 576 00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:28,581 only he was going to do it better. 577 00:28:29,457 --> 00:28:30,417 And he did. 578 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,963 There were so many things that we did in WCW that WWE eventually replicated. 579 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:39,926 D-X was nothing more than a derivative of the nWo. 580 00:28:40,009 --> 00:28:44,973 The Mr. McMahon character was a derivative of evil Eric Bischoff, 581 00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:46,683 was the evil boss. 582 00:28:46,766 --> 00:28:50,603 Come on, Vince. You gotta admit you ripped me off on that one. 583 00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:52,689 Now, granted, you did it better. 584 00:28:52,772 --> 00:28:55,316 But, come on, who did it first? 585 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,863 If Eric Bischoff thinks that he played the heel character before I did... 586 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,951 Okay. If that were the case, he sure as hell didn't play it as well. 587 00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:06,786 So, good for him. 588 00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,790 WWE was going to win inevitably. 589 00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:13,418 Vince McMahon, being the competitor he is, 590 00:29:14,043 --> 00:29:15,879 the fighter that he is, 591 00:29:15,962 --> 00:29:18,339 would have done whatever he had to do 592 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:20,216 to ultimately win that fight. 593 00:29:21,217 --> 00:29:22,719 And I was coming up short. 594 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,055 {\an8}I was not focused on creative. 595 00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:29,017 The nWo angle was a couple years old now. 596 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,102 It wasn't fresh anymore. 597 00:29:32,061 --> 00:29:33,897 Things that were going on in WWE 598 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:39,235 with Mr. McMahon, and Steve Austin, and others was new, was fresh, 599 00:29:39,819 --> 00:29:43,573 which caused the audience to shift over and check out what they were doing. 600 00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:47,118 [Meltzer] Eric's big mistake was thinking, 601 00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:48,328 "Because I'm ahead, 602 00:29:48,411 --> 00:29:51,331 all I gotta do is go with these guys, and I'll always be ahead." 603 00:29:51,414 --> 00:29:55,168 In wrestling, everyone's got a shelf life, and you always have to make new stars. 604 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:58,171 And Vince was trying to make new stars because he had to. 605 00:29:58,254 --> 00:30:02,425 And that's the bottom line, 'cause Stone Cold said so. 606 00:30:02,509 --> 00:30:03,760 [crowd] Said so! 607 00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:05,053 [Meltzer] Vince got very lucky. 608 00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:08,097 Austin was an incredible, incredible, incredible success. 609 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:10,225 And then Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson comes. 610 00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,560 [Johnson] Do you smell what The Rock is cooking? 611 00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:15,730 [crowd cheering] 612 00:30:16,439 --> 00:30:17,816 [announcer] Ladies and gentlemen... 613 00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:21,277 [Landsberg] Great to welcome to the show one of the fastest risers to the top 614 00:30:21,361 --> 00:30:24,239 {\an8}in the history of wrestling, The Rock. Let's start off with your history. 615 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:27,534 {\an8}When you broke in, you were packaged as a part of a wrestling legacy... 616 00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:29,953 {\an8}[Johnson] My grandfather was High Chief Peter Maivia. 617 00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:30,995 {\an8}He was, 618 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:35,291 in many ways, responsible for putting the island of Samoa 619 00:30:35,375 --> 00:30:37,627 and Samoan athletes on the map. 620 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:40,755 [announcer] From the isle of Samoa, 621 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:45,093 High Chief Peter Maivia! 622 00:30:45,885 --> 00:30:49,514 [Johnson] My grandfather wrestled for Vince McMahon Sr., 623 00:30:49,597 --> 00:30:51,975 and then in the '80s, my dad came along, 624 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,394 Rocky "Soul Man" Johnson, 625 00:30:54,477 --> 00:30:58,690 {\an8}and, along with Tony Atlas, became the first Black tag team champions. 626 00:30:59,566 --> 00:31:02,026 [White] The Rock, everything he do is just like his father. 627 00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:04,487 Walk like his father, dress like his father. 628 00:31:04,571 --> 00:31:06,906 You didn't know better, you'd think that was Rocky Johnson. 629 00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:11,786 [Johnson] I remember meeting Vince McMahon Jr. when I was 11 years old. 630 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:13,413 Looked down at me, "Good to meet you," 631 00:31:13,496 --> 00:31:15,540 gave me a firm handshake, and looked me in the eye. 632 00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:17,166 I'll never forget it. 633 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:19,043 [announcer] Here we go with a newcomer 634 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:23,256 who's really made a name for himself as of late, talking about Rocky Maivia. 635 00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:26,634 [Prichard] When he came in, we really promoted him 636 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:29,721 as this third-generation guy that you're gonna love. 637 00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:31,806 [announcer 1] This guy is gonna be phenomenal. 638 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:34,309 [announcer 2] The first third-generation superstar ever. 639 00:31:34,392 --> 00:31:36,394 We shoved him down their throats. 640 00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:39,898 [announcer 3] Uh-oh. You hear the chant of... 641 00:31:39,981 --> 00:31:42,817 -[crowd chanting] Rocky sucks! -[announcer 3] "Rocky sucks." 642 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:44,319 [crowd] Rocky sucks! 643 00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:46,154 They hated him. 644 00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:48,156 [crowd booing] 645 00:31:48,239 --> 00:31:51,910 [McMahon] A lot of our audience, I think, thought that this person was just, like, 646 00:31:51,993 --> 00:31:53,453 handed this opportunity, 647 00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:57,582 and no matter how hard Dwayne worked in the ring, 648 00:31:57,665 --> 00:31:59,834 initially, people start booing him. 649 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:03,671 [announcer] I'm sick of hearing about Rocky Maivia's old man. Who cares? 650 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:05,673 [crowd chanting] Rocky sucks! Rocky sucks! 651 00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:09,677 [Shoemaker] The fans hated The Rock because WWE told us to love The Rock. 652 00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:12,805 And it took The Rock turning heel 653 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:15,224 and acknowledging that the fans were booing him 654 00:32:15,308 --> 00:32:17,477 for the fans to start to love him. 655 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,521 [group, chanting] We are the Nation of Domination! 656 00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:22,398 [forceful rock music playing] 657 00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:27,070 [Johnson] The Nation of Domination was a faction that was based on pride 658 00:32:27,153 --> 00:32:31,157 in being of color and not being held down by the man. 659 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,745 [announcer] The newest member of the Nation of Domination, Rocky Maivia! 660 00:32:35,828 --> 00:32:38,081 [Johnson] I talked to Vince, and I said, 661 00:32:38,164 --> 00:32:40,667 "I would just love the opportunity to speak 662 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:42,710 on why I'm joining the Nation," 663 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,172 and he said, "You got it." 664 00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:49,175 I got three words. 665 00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,553 "Die, Rocky, die." 666 00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:56,391 That's the gratitude I get from you pieces of crap. 667 00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:59,978 I said, "It's not a Black or white thing. It's a respect thing." 668 00:33:00,061 --> 00:33:01,646 "It's about me kicking your ass thing." 669 00:33:01,729 --> 00:33:06,150 This isn't about the color of my skin. This is about respect. 670 00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:07,944 [crowd chanting indistinctly] 671 00:33:08,027 --> 00:33:10,446 [Johnson] Sometimes in our lives, we find these moments 672 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:13,116 where there's a shift and a click, 673 00:33:13,199 --> 00:33:17,704 and you go, "Man, there is some real power behind that." 674 00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:23,084 Well, Rocky Maivia's a lot of things, but "sucks" isn't one of 'em. 675 00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:27,672 And boom, just like that, within a month, I became the hottest heel in the company. 676 00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:32,385 -...if you smell what The Rock is cookin'. -[crowd] ...what The Rock is cookin'. 677 00:33:32,468 --> 00:33:35,096 [rock music playing] 678 00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:37,849 [Johnson] I remember having a conversation with Vince and him saying, 679 00:33:37,932 --> 00:33:40,560 "I'm gonna make you WWE Champion." 680 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:42,145 [announcer 1] Sharpshooter! 681 00:33:42,228 --> 00:33:43,604 That's a sharpshooter! 682 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:45,023 [announcer 2] Sharpshooter! 683 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:47,442 -[announcer 1] Ref's gonna ring the bell! -[bell ringing] 684 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:49,360 [crowd cheering] 685 00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:52,280 [Johnson] I said, "You know, this is a really big deal." 686 00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:55,033 I said, "I'm first WWE champion of color." 687 00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:58,161 He said, "I know." And he goes, "But I don't see that." 688 00:33:58,244 --> 00:34:00,413 [crowd cheering] 689 00:34:00,496 --> 00:34:04,333 Vince, and I know this for sure, he was always about, 690 00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:08,713 "I don't care what color you are. You could be black and green and purple." 691 00:34:08,796 --> 00:34:11,257 "You could be a unicorn for all I give a shit." [laughs] 692 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:14,802 "As long as you are drawing money, you will be champion." 693 00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:17,638 [crowd cheering] 694 00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:22,894 It ain't got nothing to do with color. It's not racism, it's business. 695 00:34:24,479 --> 00:34:27,148 He don't see Black. He don't see white. 696 00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,357 He sees only green. 697 00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:31,110 [crowd cheering] 698 00:34:32,111 --> 00:34:35,865 [Johnson] For people who knew WWE at that time, the Attitude Era, 699 00:34:35,948 --> 00:34:37,533 it was a unique and special time, 700 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:41,704 because it truly was whatever you can imagine, 701 00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:42,830 we can do. 702 00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:44,749 And we did. 703 00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:47,335 [compelling music playing] 704 00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:51,255 [announcer 1] Someone help! Oh my gosh! Oh my God! 705 00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:52,548 Oh! 706 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:56,511 -[announcer 2] Look out! -[announcer 1] See what just happened! 707 00:34:56,594 --> 00:35:00,098 [Prichard] The Attitude Era. Man, it was a movement. 708 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:03,810 Everywhere you went, you saw Austin 3:16, 709 00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:05,812 you saw DX. 710 00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:07,313 -Suck it, man. -[all] Right! 711 00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:09,732 [Prichard] You saw The Rock. 712 00:35:09,816 --> 00:35:11,776 Everybody was in on it. 713 00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:15,530 [Meltzer] They were so popular. Their merchandise was everywhere. 714 00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:18,616 The influence was all over the culture. 715 00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:22,245 We're gonna have WWE superstars right here in the house. 716 00:35:22,328 --> 00:35:25,373 [announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, The Rock! 717 00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:27,041 [Johnson] You invited The Rock 718 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:30,294 {\an8}to speak at the Republican National Convention? 719 00:35:30,378 --> 00:35:31,462 [audience cheering] 720 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:34,465 Please welcome the one, the only, Triple H. 721 00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:37,176 [Levesque] For a lot of us in the Attitude Era, 722 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:38,970 we went from being like, 723 00:35:39,053 --> 00:35:42,223 "Yeah, I'm a dude on TV that people recognize occasionally," 724 00:35:42,306 --> 00:35:44,684 to, "You can't go anywhere." 725 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:47,812 It was getting out of control. 726 00:35:48,521 --> 00:35:50,523 They're making way more money now than they did then, 727 00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:53,317 but as far as actual real popularity, that was the peak. 728 00:35:53,901 --> 00:35:56,904 [reporter] It's the entertainment phenomenon of the '90s. 729 00:35:56,988 --> 00:35:59,407 A billion-dollar industry worldwide, 730 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:01,784 a TV-ratings smash, 731 00:36:01,868 --> 00:36:05,872 a sport, of sorts, that draws more teenage male viewers 732 00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:07,498 than Monday Night Football 733 00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:09,417 or World Series Baseball. 734 00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:13,838 [announcer speaking indistinctly] 735 00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:17,508 [compelling music continues] 736 00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:20,011 [announcer speaking indistinctly] 737 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:24,724 [Meltzer] People who remember that period, that is a very fond memory, 738 00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:28,060 because wrestling really was huge mainstream at that time. 739 00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:30,229 From a pure marketability standpoint, 740 00:36:30,313 --> 00:36:33,733 the product they were putting on was, was awesome. It connected. 741 00:36:33,816 --> 00:36:36,569 Um, from a moral standpoint, morals are morals, 742 00:36:36,652 --> 00:36:38,571 but it rubbed some people the wrong way. 743 00:36:38,654 --> 00:36:40,990 [reporter 1] One true thing about professional wrestling, 744 00:36:41,073 --> 00:36:42,867 millions of fans are pouring in. 745 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:44,911 But this business has serious questions, 746 00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:48,164 some involving violence and sexually explicit content. 747 00:36:48,247 --> 00:36:51,334 [reporter 2] Promoters would have you believe that it's family entertainment. 748 00:36:51,417 --> 00:36:55,504 But if you've never been to a show or never seen one on TV, watch one. 749 00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:56,839 You're in for a shock. 750 00:36:57,590 --> 00:37:00,801 [Levesque] As performers, you're going for whatever the biggest reaction is, 751 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:04,847 and you're seeing these things get bigger reactions than anything else. 752 00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:08,768 So you're going down that road of, "I'm going to be edgy." 753 00:37:08,851 --> 00:37:11,187 I got two words for ya. 754 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:13,189 "Suck it!" Yeah! 755 00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:15,316 [Levesque] It was a lot of fun and a lot of freedom, 756 00:37:16,317 --> 00:37:20,863 but there's a lot of stuff online that you can watch, where I go, like, "Oh..." 757 00:37:21,447 --> 00:37:23,950 "How did we ever get away with that stuff?" 758 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:26,744 You can take your pick of either one of these hoes. 759 00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:31,582 [reporter 1] Critics say WWE blows away the envelope of good taste. 760 00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:34,669 [reporter 2] Perhaps no one has been more critical of McMahon 761 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:38,214 than New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick. 762 00:37:38,297 --> 00:37:40,299 They knew that they could get away with everything. 763 00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:42,843 Not anything, everything. 764 00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:46,514 And they pushed it. They pushed that for all it was worth. 765 00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:49,976 We're gonna go low, and then we're gonna go lower, 766 00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:51,894 {\an8}and then we're gonna go lower. 767 00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:53,521 [gasps] 768 00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:56,357 {\an8}This was maybe a standard deviation 769 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,484 beyond what we were doing before, 770 00:37:58,567 --> 00:38:02,321 um, but it was still family-friendly. 771 00:38:02,405 --> 00:38:03,781 No one got killed. 772 00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:06,409 [announcer] The Rock is inside that casket! 773 00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:08,160 There was, you know, no rape. 774 00:38:08,244 --> 00:38:10,997 Come on out, you rapist! 775 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,333 No use of knives or guns or anything like that. 776 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:15,334 [woman screams] 777 00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:18,796 [reporter] Witness a recent simulated castration scene. 778 00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:21,340 [McMahon] So, it's still family-friendly, 779 00:38:21,424 --> 00:38:23,759 maybe for more of an adult family, 780 00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:25,803 not for young kids. 781 00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:30,057 They were doing the double-talk. They'd say, "We're not marketing to kids," 782 00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:32,685 when, in fact, their audience was kids. 783 00:38:32,768 --> 00:38:34,061 And so some people would go, 784 00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:37,481 "You've got a responsibility to not be such a bad influence on kids." 785 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:40,276 "We're not marketing to kids anymore. That's what we used to do." 786 00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:41,569 All right, whatever. 787 00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:46,532 I think it was primarily aimed at young males. 788 00:38:46,615 --> 00:38:48,868 Action figures, dolls. 789 00:38:48,951 --> 00:38:51,454 {\an8}These aren't being bought by and enjoyed by adults. 790 00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:53,122 {\an8}These are for 8-year-olds, 10-year-olds. 791 00:38:53,205 --> 00:38:57,335 [Prichard] Frankly, the Attitude Era, the kids embraced it. 792 00:38:57,418 --> 00:38:59,462 -Suck it! -Suck it! 793 00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:02,673 They were seeing something maybe they weren't supposed to see. 794 00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:08,512 So, the Attitude Era, in many ways, probably attracted kids. 795 00:39:08,596 --> 00:39:12,516 Would I have let my kids watch it? Yeah, I probably would have. 796 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,643 {\an8}It's a monster, is really what it is. 797 00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:17,063 {\an8}It's a nationwide monster that's gotta be stopped. 798 00:39:17,146 --> 00:39:19,690 {\an8}The principal is entitled to his opinion. 799 00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:22,026 {\an8}I'm entitled to mine. 800 00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:25,112 We wholeheartedly would want parents and everyone 801 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:27,573 to exercise their freedom of choice. 802 00:39:27,656 --> 00:39:30,034 Damn it, it is America. Go live in your world. 803 00:39:30,117 --> 00:39:33,704 Don't like us, click us off. Don't watch us. 804 00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:41,879 Look, I... I was the one certainly leading the charge in that, 805 00:39:41,962 --> 00:39:45,383 "Don't tell us to raise your children. You need to raise them yourself." 806 00:39:45,466 --> 00:39:47,385 "If they're influenced by TV, that's your fault." 807 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:50,679 Now, having a daughter, uh, I... 808 00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:54,475 Look, there are times we probably could have been less... 809 00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:57,728 less objectionable towards our women. 810 00:39:57,812 --> 00:39:58,646 [chanting] 811 00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:03,651 It is time to stop your grinnin' and drop your linen. 812 00:40:03,734 --> 00:40:04,568 [crowd cheering] 813 00:40:04,652 --> 00:40:06,153 [announcer] Oh my! 814 00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:10,783 We continued to consistently go over the line in terms of taste. 815 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:13,035 Uh, there were a lot of questionable things. 816 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,706 You look pretty good on your knees, Chyna. It almost looks like a natural position. 817 00:40:18,457 --> 00:40:21,710 [Meltzer] It was exploitive of women like you wouldn't believe, 818 00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:23,963 but that's what was selling, and the audience was guys. 819 00:40:24,046 --> 00:40:26,340 Teenage guys seeing women like that, 820 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:29,510 from a pure marketing standpoint, it was, uh, very, very successful. 821 00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:33,222 The Attitude Era women weren't really considered wrestlers. 822 00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:37,393 {\an8}Eye candy. That's kind of what they were at the time. 823 00:40:37,476 --> 00:40:38,644 [feline roar] 824 00:40:38,727 --> 00:40:39,728 [whip cracks] 825 00:40:40,604 --> 00:40:44,233 {\an8}[Stratigeas] Sable was the pioneer WWE diva, so to speak. 826 00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:47,236 She knew exactly what her role was. 827 00:40:48,487 --> 00:40:50,322 People know her as Sexy Sable, 828 00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:54,076 but she was also athletically contributing to the show, 829 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,079 which I think is overlooked, because it wasn't normal, 830 00:40:57,163 --> 00:40:59,665 it wasn't acceptable, it wasn't what the women did. 831 00:41:01,041 --> 00:41:03,961 You know, at the time, late '90s, you had Jerry Springer. 832 00:41:04,044 --> 00:41:08,841 {\an8}[narrator] Just when you thought you'd seen it all, the bad get badder. 833 00:41:08,924 --> 00:41:11,260 [Stratus] You had trainwreck television that was happening. 834 00:41:11,343 --> 00:41:12,761 Howard Stern was huge. 835 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:15,097 -I wanna bang Bonnie, Jill, and Brandy. -[chuckle] 836 00:41:15,181 --> 00:41:17,892 The Attitude Era was a reflection of what was going on in the world. 837 00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:20,895 I've got to question... 838 00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:24,398 [Prichard] Society at that time was a lot sexier, 839 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,484 and we were reflecting that in every way. 840 00:41:27,067 --> 00:41:28,402 Some of the things... 841 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:29,570 Eh... 842 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:34,992 Bra-and-panty matches, I'm not sure that, uh, that would be suggested today. 843 00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:38,496 At that time, that was what was on television. 844 00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:39,705 [crowd cheering] 845 00:41:39,788 --> 00:41:41,999 [Mazer] Vince McMahon is part of his time. 846 00:41:42,583 --> 00:41:46,086 The difference is that he's in a distinctive position, 847 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,839 where he reinforces those tendencies, 848 00:41:48,923 --> 00:41:53,761 rather than challenging or changing or transforming them into something else. 849 00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:54,762 [crowd cheering] 850 00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:56,263 [McMahon] We more or less followed 851 00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:58,766 what was going on in the entertainment business. 852 00:41:58,849 --> 00:42:01,602 A lot of times, the highest quarter-hour, 853 00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:05,189 the highest rating in that segment were women. 854 00:42:06,148 --> 00:42:09,652 Much higher than some of the great matches and things of that nature. 855 00:42:11,028 --> 00:42:12,738 We felt like we needed to be edgy, 856 00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:15,241 'cause that's what television was at that time. 857 00:42:15,324 --> 00:42:17,826 And this is live TV, 858 00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:21,497 and there ain't a damn thing Vince can do about this. 859 00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:26,961 [Stephanie] We'd always want to serve our audience, so we did, 860 00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:30,881 and, of course, took it maybe a little too far in some cases. 861 00:42:30,965 --> 00:42:32,132 -[cheering] -[yells] 862 00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:34,218 [atmospheric music playing] 863 00:42:38,138 --> 00:42:39,473 [music fades] 864 00:42:40,307 --> 00:42:42,977 [Levesque] You can look back at it now and say how crazy it was, 865 00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:45,980 You can look back and say, "God, you should have never done that," 866 00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:49,316 or, "That was so inappropriate," or, um... 867 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,442 It was. 868 00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:51,652 And, uh... 869 00:42:52,778 --> 00:42:55,948 Who's worse, the guy that did it or the people that loved it? I don't know. 870 00:42:57,616 --> 00:42:59,868 [Ross] Welcome to the War Zone, everybody! I'm Jim Ross. 871 00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:03,289 I've been joined by James T. Gordon here at ringside. 872 00:43:03,372 --> 00:43:07,585 The owner of World Wrestling Entertainment is on his way... 873 00:43:07,668 --> 00:43:09,378 [McMahon] Owen Hart, 874 00:43:09,461 --> 00:43:15,593 I am ordering you to appear in this ring right now. 875 00:43:15,676 --> 00:43:17,261 [crowd cheering] 876 00:43:17,344 --> 00:43:19,221 [Lawler] There he is, right there. 877 00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:21,181 [Ross] He's coming, but are we gonna see 878 00:43:21,265 --> 00:43:23,058 reporting for duty or for a fight? 879 00:43:23,142 --> 00:43:24,727 [McMahon] After the problems I had 880 00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:26,228 with Bret Hart, I met with Owen. 881 00:43:26,312 --> 00:43:30,274 I said, "Do you want to stay with us, or do you wanna leave with Bret?" 882 00:43:30,357 --> 00:43:32,693 He said, "Well, I'd like to stay." 883 00:43:32,776 --> 00:43:37,197 It's time for me to do what I have to do, 884 00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:42,661 and that is remain right here in World Wrestling Entertainment! 885 00:43:42,745 --> 00:43:48,208 [Hart] When I went to WCW and Owen stayed, nothing was the same anymore. 886 00:43:48,292 --> 00:43:50,252 He thought I was mad at him. 887 00:43:50,878 --> 00:43:53,672 If anything, I had great sympathy for Owen 888 00:43:53,756 --> 00:43:57,509 and felt badly that he was in the predicament that he was in. 889 00:43:57,593 --> 00:44:00,429 Owen had nothing to do with either me or Vince, 890 00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:02,139 but he was gonna pay for it, 891 00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:06,477 and they kind of humiliated his character 892 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,898 as often as they could for quite a while to get at me. 893 00:44:11,732 --> 00:44:16,487 [McMahon] The hypothesis that we would do something against Owen because Bret left 894 00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:18,739 only speaks to Bret's ego. [chuckles] 895 00:44:18,822 --> 00:44:20,699 Really, Bret? You know, why would we do that? 896 00:44:20,783 --> 00:44:22,576 We don't care about you. You left. 897 00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:24,453 We're trying to make Owen a star. 898 00:44:24,536 --> 00:44:26,538 [Ross] What? What is this? 899 00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:28,999 [Hart] So they ended up doing a storyline with him, 900 00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:31,418 where they said, "You're gonna be the Blue Blazer again, 901 00:44:31,502 --> 00:44:34,546 and you're gonna be this sort of clumsy oaf hero." 902 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,591 [interviewer] May 23rd, '99. 903 00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:41,220 Can you talk about that day? 904 00:44:42,054 --> 00:44:43,180 That was Owen. 905 00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:47,434 [sighs] 906 00:44:48,227 --> 00:44:50,771 [somber music playing] 907 00:44:51,605 --> 00:44:55,526 {\an8}[Ross] Folks, let's take you now to an interview conducted earlier tonight, 908 00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:57,695 {\an8}and we got big problems out here. 909 00:44:57,778 --> 00:44:59,613 {\an8}Blue Blazer, you got a big match tonight... 910 00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:03,575 {\an8}[Prichard] We were live in a pre-taped interview of Owen. 911 00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:05,911 {\an8}We were going to drop Owen down, 912 00:45:05,994 --> 00:45:09,248 kind of like rappelling from the top of the ceiling. 913 00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:11,667 Owen was to fly, so to speak, 914 00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:15,713 as we've done before, from the rafters of the building. 915 00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:18,382 {\an8}[Prichard] I'm watching the pre-tape interview, 916 00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:20,426 {\an8}and I hear someone say, 917 00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:22,386 "Owen's in the ring." 918 00:45:23,137 --> 00:45:25,764 I went, "What the hell is he doing?" 919 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:29,768 I was on a flight, and I could feel something. 920 00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:32,271 Something overcame me, 921 00:45:32,354 --> 00:45:36,608 and I can remember going, "Something bad happened. I can feel it." 922 00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:39,153 [Ross] Ladies and gentlemen, when you're doing live television, 923 00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:43,657 a lot of things can happen, and sometimes they are not good. 924 00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:46,785 Uh, the Blue Blazer, as we know is Owen Hart, 925 00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:51,415 was going to make a very spectacular, superhero-like entrance from the rafters, 926 00:45:51,498 --> 00:45:53,959 and something went terribly wrong here. 927 00:45:54,793 --> 00:45:59,465 [McMahon] Thank God, for the audience, that we were in a blackout. 928 00:45:59,548 --> 00:46:03,093 So they didn't really see it. Thank God. 929 00:46:03,886 --> 00:46:07,514 When the lights came up, they saw Owen in the ring 930 00:46:07,598 --> 00:46:09,850 and medical personnel were working on him. 931 00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:13,187 We wondered whether or not, "Could Owen be alive?" 932 00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:14,146 Uh... 933 00:46:14,229 --> 00:46:15,355 Surely he could be. 934 00:46:15,439 --> 00:46:17,316 Jerry Lawler back joining me here. 935 00:46:17,399 --> 00:46:21,153 King, I was just reiterating to the fans this is not a part of the show. 936 00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:25,073 Uh, we're here to entertain and have fun, but this is neither. 937 00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:29,787 No. It's, uh... It's... It doesn't look good at all. 938 00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:34,792 Jerry Lawler came back and says, "Bruce, I... I think he's dead." 939 00:46:34,875 --> 00:46:36,084 [somber music continues] 940 00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:38,670 I'm like... "No." 941 00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:41,131 You know, I was like... 942 00:46:42,341 --> 00:46:43,926 "How do you even say that?" 943 00:46:44,009 --> 00:46:45,636 [somber music continues] 944 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,097 [Prichard] The policeman that was next to me, pulled me off to the side, 945 00:46:49,181 --> 00:46:53,227 and Vince was there, and he let us know they pronounced him dead. 946 00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:58,857 I have the... unfortunate responsibility 947 00:46:59,691 --> 00:47:01,902 to let everyone know that Owen Hart has died. 948 00:47:03,278 --> 00:47:08,116 Owen Hart has tragically died from that accident... here tonight. 949 00:47:10,619 --> 00:47:14,039 The decision that, uh, basically, I had to make, 950 00:47:14,122 --> 00:47:15,958 was whether or not the show goes on. 951 00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:19,336 The live audience didn't really see what happened. 952 00:47:19,419 --> 00:47:22,297 Had they seen, no question, you have to shut the show down. 953 00:47:22,965 --> 00:47:24,758 [Prichard] He didn't announce to the live house 954 00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:27,261 'cause he just didn't think that was the right thing to do. 955 00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:30,806 [McMahon] Those people came to see a show. 956 00:47:30,889 --> 00:47:32,850 They didn't come to see somebody die. 957 00:47:33,433 --> 00:47:35,561 And, me as a businessman, it's like, 958 00:47:35,644 --> 00:47:38,438 "Okay, let's continue on. Let's continue the show." 959 00:47:38,522 --> 00:47:43,068 First off, Owen Hart, I'm praying for you, buddy. 960 00:47:43,151 --> 00:47:44,570 [emotionally] And I am too. 961 00:47:44,653 --> 00:47:45,654 [sighs shakily] 962 00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:49,032 Val Venis, you've been chasing these puppies around. 963 00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:50,659 Well, pal, I got news for you. 964 00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:53,537 Those are my puppies, and they always have been. 965 00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:55,622 They never should have continued the show. 966 00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:56,540 [crowd cheering] 967 00:47:56,623 --> 00:47:59,501 [Meltzer] You know, one of your buddies just died. 968 00:47:59,585 --> 00:48:02,129 Like, literally just died in this ring, 969 00:48:02,212 --> 00:48:06,508 and his blood is right there, and we're going out there wrestling, 970 00:48:06,592 --> 00:48:09,469 trying to perform for this audience that doesn't even know it, 971 00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:10,971 while we're brokenhearted. 972 00:48:12,431 --> 00:48:14,600 [Landsberg] What you do, your business, is entertainment, 973 00:48:14,683 --> 00:48:17,185 and you allowed the entertainment to continue 974 00:48:17,269 --> 00:48:19,021 with the blood of Owen Hart still in the ring. 975 00:48:19,104 --> 00:48:21,064 I'm not sure that's not disrespectful to Owen Hart. 976 00:48:21,982 --> 00:48:23,942 There were a lot of negative comments, actually, 977 00:48:24,026 --> 00:48:26,194 as to whether or not the show should have continued. 978 00:48:26,278 --> 00:48:29,364 {\an8}I actually know firsthand from the wrestlers involved 979 00:48:29,448 --> 00:48:32,034 {\an8}that they wheeled my dead brother past... 980 00:48:32,659 --> 00:48:35,787 {\an8}right past all the wrestlers and actually pushed wrestlers out the door 981 00:48:35,871 --> 00:48:38,457 {\an8}and said, "Go, go, go. You're on." 982 00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:42,419 Naturally, Bret's gonna feel like, you know, like a brother should. 983 00:48:42,502 --> 00:48:46,590 He had every right to say anything negative about our company. 984 00:48:46,673 --> 00:48:50,260 {\an8}I think if Vince McMahon had dropped Shane McMahon from the ceiling, 985 00:48:50,344 --> 00:48:51,970 {\an8}uh, and he splatted on the mat, 986 00:48:52,054 --> 00:48:54,848 {\an8}I don't think he would've scraped him off and set the next match up. 987 00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:58,268 Had it been me, not just my son, 988 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:01,480 had it been me who was "splatted on the mat," as Bret said, 989 00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:03,440 I would want the show to go on. 990 00:49:03,523 --> 00:49:07,444 So get me out of there, you know, and let the show go on. 991 00:49:07,527 --> 00:49:11,114 I'd do it with me, and to this day, I would. 992 00:49:11,198 --> 00:49:13,367 [somber music continues] 993 00:49:16,495 --> 00:49:19,331 [Hart] It really was very hard for me to take at that time 994 00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:21,833 because I kept thinking that maybe it was... 995 00:49:22,501 --> 00:49:25,337 Maybe they murdered him to get back at me. 996 00:49:27,089 --> 00:49:28,423 [exhales emotionally] 997 00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:32,719 At 10:01 a.m. this morning, 998 00:49:32,803 --> 00:49:36,473 my legal counsel filed a wrongful death lawsuit 999 00:49:36,556 --> 00:49:38,183 for my husband's death. 1000 00:49:38,266 --> 00:49:42,688 [McMahon] In terms of Owen, we settled a lawsuit basically with his wife, 1001 00:49:42,771 --> 00:49:46,274 and then we find out, which we thought all along, 1002 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:48,026 it wasn't our fault. 1003 00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:52,280 {\an8}Unfortunately, the apparatus they were using was defective, 1004 00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:54,658 {\an8}and the manufacturer knew it was defective, 1005 00:49:54,741 --> 00:49:56,785 and then we sued the manufacturer. 1006 00:49:57,369 --> 00:50:02,791 [Hart] They investigated Vince and WWE for a long time. 1007 00:50:02,874 --> 00:50:06,545 A policeman from Kansas City's, uh, police department called me, 1008 00:50:06,628 --> 00:50:08,755 and he goes, "I promised you I'd call you, 1009 00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:11,091 and I'm calling to tell you there's nothing criminal here." 1010 00:50:11,174 --> 00:50:13,343 "This was just a horrible accident." 1011 00:50:13,927 --> 00:50:19,099 And for me, when I heard that, it was like, "Okay, it's an accident." 1012 00:50:19,182 --> 00:50:23,520 I basically, I think in my heart of hearts, forgave Vince. 1013 00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:27,816 I had plenty of reasons to have issues with Vince, 1014 00:50:27,899 --> 00:50:32,154 but they were on a professional level and not a personal level. 1015 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,322 [music fades] 1016 00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:36,616 [crowd cheering] 1017 00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:39,745 [Landsberg] Do you think there will be any changes in wrestling because of this? 1018 00:50:39,828 --> 00:50:42,456 {\an8}[Hart] I certainly hope so. We're not 1019 00:50:42,539 --> 00:50:45,292 so dead against the wrestling business, 1020 00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:48,670 but we are disappointed in the drastic turn 1021 00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:50,881 that wrestling's taken in the last two years, 1022 00:50:50,964 --> 00:50:54,176 and it's a shame that the fans have sort of become wild dogs 1023 00:50:54,259 --> 00:50:57,596 that sort of want more and more and more all the time. 1024 00:50:58,180 --> 00:51:01,391 At that point, we're all pushing the envelope. 1025 00:51:01,475 --> 00:51:02,309 [crowd cheering] 1026 00:51:02,392 --> 00:51:04,436 -[announcer] Look out! -[woman] Oh my... 1027 00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,813 [Calaway] Everybody's willing to do whatever it takes. 1028 00:51:07,564 --> 00:51:09,608 No one's saying, "I don't want to do that," 1029 00:51:09,691 --> 00:51:11,026 or, "That's too dangerous." 1030 00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:12,235 [announcer] Oh my... 1031 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:16,823 ...but at some point, enough is enough. 1032 00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:18,950 [announcer 1] He's burning! Put him out! 1033 00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:21,703 [McMahon] We want to give our fans what they want. 1034 00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:24,331 We're probably pushing it as far as we can right now, 1035 00:51:24,414 --> 00:51:28,502 but who knows as it relates to the future? 1036 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:31,505 [tense music rising] 1037 00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:38,386 [music fades] 1038 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:42,432 [crowd chanting] Holy shit, holy shit, holy shit... 1039 00:51:45,018 --> 00:51:47,312 [melancholy music playing] 1040 00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:57,823 [closing theme music playing] 88829

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