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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,047 --> 00:00:07,298 [audience cheering] 2 00:00:07,382 --> 00:00:09,426 [backing vocalists] ♪ Baby! ♪ 3 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:12,137 [upbeat music playing] 4 00:00:16,599 --> 00:00:18,601 [audience cheering] 5 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:24,649 ♪ I was just a boy ♪ 6 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:26,735 ♪ Everybody told me ♪ 7 00:00:26,818 --> 00:00:29,779 ♪ What I should do, who I should be ♪ 8 00:00:33,616 --> 00:00:36,494 ♪ Ain't never understood The kinda man I am ♪ 9 00:00:36,578 --> 00:00:38,288 ♪ I do my own thinking ♪ 10 00:00:38,371 --> 00:00:41,708 -♪ Got a lot of big plans, stand back ♪ -♪ Stand back ♪ 11 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:45,462 ♪ I'm a man running wild ♪ 12 00:00:45,545 --> 00:00:46,921 ♪ Heading for the top ♪ 13 00:00:47,005 --> 00:00:50,425 ♪ Never slowing down And I'm never gonna stop ♪ 14 00:00:50,508 --> 00:00:53,803 ♪ Along the way you're gonna see A lot of men drop ♪ 15 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:55,638 ♪ Baby, watch them drop ♪ 16 00:00:55,722 --> 00:00:57,390 ♪ Baby, baby ♪ 17 00:00:57,474 --> 00:00:59,768 ♪ Headed for the top, stand back ♪ 18 00:00:59,851 --> 00:01:00,810 ♪ Stand back ♪ 19 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:03,021 ♪ Stand back ♪ 20 00:01:03,104 --> 00:01:04,230 ♪ Stand back ♪ 21 00:01:10,236 --> 00:01:11,738 ♪ Stand back! ♪ 22 00:01:11,821 --> 00:01:13,865 -Woo! -[crowd cheering and applauding] 23 00:01:17,285 --> 00:01:19,287 [applause fades] 24 00:01:21,831 --> 00:01:24,084 -[bell ringing] -[crowd cheering] 25 00:01:24,167 --> 00:01:26,169 [Gorilla Monsoon] Every man for himself in there! 26 00:01:26,252 --> 00:01:29,214 And the Hulkster at this moment cleaning house on The Honky Tonk Man! 27 00:01:29,297 --> 00:01:30,131 Look at him! 28 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:32,884 Professional wrestling. It's always been popular, 29 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:35,970 but lately it's been emerging from second-rate arenas 30 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:38,431 to attract a whole new generation of fans. 31 00:01:38,515 --> 00:01:40,225 [crowd cheering] 32 00:01:40,308 --> 00:01:43,561 [Dave Meltzer] '84 and '85 was a very pivotal year in wrestling. 33 00:01:43,645 --> 00:01:45,647 Things were changing rapidly. 34 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:49,275 WrestleMania I was very, very successful. 35 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,320 Vince was ahead of everyone when it came to understanding how to market 36 00:01:52,403 --> 00:01:56,574 {\an8}and had the more modern product, and he had the bigger stars. 37 00:01:56,658 --> 00:01:59,119 {\an8}[reporter] This once-scorned pastime has grown so trendy 38 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:02,622 {\an8}that NBC will soon begin a regular late-night television program 39 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:04,791 {\an8}combining rock, comedy, and wrestling. 40 00:02:04,874 --> 00:02:06,793 [upbeat music playing] 41 00:02:06,876 --> 00:02:09,754 [McMahon] Saturday Night's Main Event was on NBC late night 42 00:02:09,838 --> 00:02:11,714 whenever Saturday Night Live takes a break, 43 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:15,844 And had a big impact on the perception of the business. 44 00:02:16,469 --> 00:02:20,890 That was a real big deal to be on network television. 45 00:02:21,474 --> 00:02:25,228 My love, my life, wrestling, is on network television. 46 00:02:25,311 --> 00:02:27,772 -[commentator 1] Look at that! -[commentator 2] My goodness! 47 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:29,649 -[screams] -Oh my God. 48 00:02:30,692 --> 00:02:31,901 That was crazy. 49 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:33,278 [Gorilla Monsoon] Oh yeah! 50 00:02:33,361 --> 00:02:35,155 Hogan scoops him up! 51 00:02:35,238 --> 00:02:36,114 [exclaiming] 52 00:02:36,197 --> 00:02:39,742 [Prichard] When you look at pivotal moments in our industry, 53 00:02:41,536 --> 00:02:45,498 Saturday Night's Main Event was a huge coup. 54 00:02:45,582 --> 00:02:48,543 [crowd cheering] 55 00:02:49,836 --> 00:02:52,547 So, WrestleMania is this huge success, 56 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:57,802 and they start doing more TV shows, more live shows. 57 00:02:58,678 --> 00:03:01,389 Now they're out there every night, touring the country. 58 00:03:02,348 --> 00:03:06,186 But you're doing all of this on the backs of the wrestlers, 59 00:03:06,269 --> 00:03:09,439 who have to work twice as hard to make the business grow. 60 00:03:09,939 --> 00:03:12,817 We wrestled seven days a week. I don't know if people knew that. 61 00:03:13,443 --> 00:03:14,861 We had no time off. 62 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:18,239 [Jimmy Hart] It was seven days a week, 52 weeks a year, 63 00:03:18,323 --> 00:03:20,074 and so it was a pretty hard grind. 64 00:03:20,158 --> 00:03:22,952 -[Gorilla] No, he's not going to... -[Gene Okerlund] Over the top rope! 65 00:03:23,036 --> 00:03:26,080 I wish they'd given me, uh, a few more days off a year. 66 00:03:27,081 --> 00:03:30,335 [Meltzer] They could have been better at managing the schedule, 67 00:03:30,418 --> 00:03:33,504 especially in the late '80s, when it was just a disaster. 68 00:03:33,588 --> 00:03:34,839 ...do the video package. 69 00:03:34,923 --> 00:03:37,675 [Meltzer] The schedule now, I don't think it's that bad. 70 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:39,219 They're on guaranteed contracts, 71 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:42,931 so they're not under the same pressure to perform while hurt. 72 00:03:43,014 --> 00:03:46,392 In the '80s, if you were hurt and didn't wrestle, 73 00:03:46,476 --> 00:03:47,560 you were not paid. 74 00:03:48,353 --> 00:03:51,231 Because of that, you wrestled hurt all the time, 75 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:54,984 and the injuries got worse and worse and worse, and you used painkillers. 76 00:03:55,068 --> 00:03:56,569 It was brutal. 77 00:03:57,153 --> 00:04:00,281 But at that time, it was about capturing the most amount of money, 78 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:02,742 and that is how they did it. 79 00:04:03,409 --> 00:04:06,788 Wrestlers, as a group, were often exploited. 80 00:04:06,871 --> 00:04:09,249 These wrestlers were not unionized. 81 00:04:09,332 --> 00:04:11,542 They didn't have medical protection. 82 00:04:12,752 --> 00:04:15,797 There was definitely a need for a union in wrestling. 83 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,799 That's what Jesse Ventura was trying to do. 84 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:19,926 Please welcome Jesse "The Body" Ventura. 85 00:04:20,009 --> 00:04:21,511 [applause] 86 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:24,430 [Terry Bollea] Right before WrestleMania 2, 87 00:04:24,514 --> 00:04:27,976 Jesse was trying to start a union and undermine Vince. 88 00:04:28,059 --> 00:04:31,980 {\an8}I'm here to make sure that Vince McMahon tells it like it is... 89 00:04:32,063 --> 00:04:34,065 {\an8}[Bollea] I was on Vince McMahon's team all the way, 90 00:04:34,148 --> 00:04:37,235 so I went straight to Vince, said, "Jesse's stirring shit up, man." 91 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:39,988 "You know, he's trying to start a union here, 92 00:04:40,071 --> 00:04:44,492 and you're gonna have bunch of wrestlers walk out on you at Madison Square Garden." 93 00:04:44,575 --> 00:04:46,369 "Just letting you know what's up." 94 00:04:46,452 --> 00:04:48,037 Hulk Hogan double-crossed Jesse 95 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:50,832 and ratted on all the guys that were trying to get a union going. 96 00:04:50,915 --> 00:04:53,084 Hulk Hogan stooged him out. 97 00:04:53,167 --> 00:04:54,335 Hogan ratted him out. 98 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:56,254 The whole thing was a sham, 99 00:04:56,337 --> 00:04:58,548 something, uh, he pulled out of the air, 100 00:04:58,631 --> 00:05:01,342 mostly like, I don't know, "We should get together." 101 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:04,178 And quite frankly, no one in the locker room 102 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:05,680 would ever get behind Jesse. 103 00:05:05,763 --> 00:05:08,558 So what Vince would do, he called each wrestler, one by one. 104 00:05:08,641 --> 00:05:10,643 He's like, "I know about the meeting." 105 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:13,563 "Everybody that shows up for this will not have a job in the morning." 106 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,773 So nobody showed up. 107 00:05:16,607 --> 00:05:19,777 It was almost always acknowledged that these guys will never go for it. 108 00:05:19,861 --> 00:05:23,448 These guys will never stick together. And the wrestlers would tell me that too. 109 00:05:23,531 --> 00:05:25,658 "We say 'boycott WrestleMania' all together, 110 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:28,244 and half the guys are gonna go back and do it and undercut us." 111 00:05:29,078 --> 00:05:30,830 Unionizing never happened. 112 00:05:30,913 --> 00:05:35,335 And I think it's less likely to happen now than it was right before WrestleMania 2. 113 00:05:36,711 --> 00:05:38,463 [announcer] WrestleMania 2. 114 00:05:38,546 --> 00:05:41,007 What the world has come to. 115 00:05:41,090 --> 00:05:45,595 [McMahon] WrestleMania I was such a success, so what do you do to top this? 116 00:05:45,678 --> 00:05:47,638 Oh. I know. 117 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:50,808 We'll have an event from New York, 118 00:05:51,392 --> 00:05:55,730 {\an8}we'll have one from Chicago, and we're gonna have one from LA. 119 00:05:55,813 --> 00:05:57,565 Three shows in one day? 120 00:05:58,691 --> 00:06:00,443 Okay. It's kind of impressive. 121 00:06:00,526 --> 00:06:04,447 WrestleMania 2 and the three cities, that was a disaster. 122 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:08,201 {\an8}To try to send a signal from three different cities? 123 00:06:08,826 --> 00:06:13,206 It felt like we weren't in control. Vince could not be in all three places. 124 00:06:13,289 --> 00:06:15,666 Beg your pardon? We have technical problems. 125 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:19,670 I just remember after that, Vince goes, "We'll never do that again!" You know? 126 00:06:19,754 --> 00:06:20,922 [indistinct] 127 00:06:21,005 --> 00:06:24,133 [Shoemaker] WrestleMania 2 was a success in that it made money 128 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:27,261 and that it wasn't a total catastrophe. 129 00:06:27,345 --> 00:06:28,596 [commentator] Beautiful... 130 00:06:28,679 --> 00:06:31,349 [Shoemaker] But even if it was a commercial success, 131 00:06:31,432 --> 00:06:35,269 it wasn't a spectacle on the level of WrestleMania I. 132 00:06:36,771 --> 00:06:40,066 So WrestleMania III, then, was like. "Hmm." 133 00:06:40,775 --> 00:06:42,026 "What am I gonna do?" 134 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:46,322 I knew there was a very large stadium in Pontiac, Michigan. 135 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:49,784 It seats 93,000 people or something like that. 136 00:06:50,368 --> 00:06:54,664 It was almost like, "Wow, could you really do that?" [laughs] 137 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:57,375 I thought, "With the right attraction we could." 138 00:06:57,959 --> 00:06:59,210 {\an8}That involved Andre the Giant. 139 00:06:59,293 --> 00:07:01,129 {\an8}[Gorilla] Andre the Giant, ladies and gentlemen, 140 00:07:01,212 --> 00:07:06,050 is the only undefeated superstar in professional wrestling. 141 00:07:06,134 --> 00:07:07,885 Hogan versus Andre. 142 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:10,763 [commentator] Another headbutt, and Hogan is in trouble. 143 00:07:11,472 --> 00:07:14,016 {\an8}[McMahon] Even though they had met many times in the past, 144 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:18,604 in order to sell tickets, we would sell it as if they had never met. 145 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:21,774 But I had to convince Andre to come back to the business. 146 00:07:22,608 --> 00:07:26,279 [Bollea] At the time, Andre's health was failing him. 147 00:07:26,362 --> 00:07:29,157 He needed crazy back surgery, as I recall. 148 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:32,618 {\an8}[McMahon] Andre did a film in the UK... 149 00:07:32,702 --> 00:07:33,911 Were you burned by acid? 150 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:35,955 ...and was gonna cash his chips in. 151 00:07:36,539 --> 00:07:41,169 "Done as much as I can in the business. I'm hurting. I can't move. I'm in pain." 152 00:07:42,211 --> 00:07:45,965 So I went over in the middle of that film, said, "Andre, here's what I want to do." 153 00:07:46,048 --> 00:07:49,051 "I want you to get the operation that you refuse to get, 154 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:51,053 and I want you to come back 155 00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:54,974 and draw the largest crowd that's ever been drawn." 156 00:07:55,766 --> 00:07:58,811 "How many seats, boss?" "93,000." 157 00:07:59,270 --> 00:08:00,521 [mimics Andre's laughter] 158 00:08:00,605 --> 00:08:01,647 He laughs. 159 00:08:01,731 --> 00:08:03,691 I said, "No, Andre, I'm serious." 160 00:08:03,774 --> 00:08:08,154 "You versus Hogan with the way we can present this, you as the heel." 161 00:08:08,237 --> 00:08:10,781 Because he'd never been a heel, a bad guy. 162 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,408 He was always a babyface. 163 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:18,456 So he thought about it, and... "Okay. I'll get the operation." 164 00:08:19,165 --> 00:08:21,083 [Andre] I'm here for one reason. 165 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:24,629 To challenge you for a world championship match 166 00:08:24,712 --> 00:08:25,796 in the WrestleMania. 167 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:26,881 [crowd cheering] 168 00:08:26,964 --> 00:08:32,011 Are you or are you not gonna fight him in WrestleMania III? 169 00:08:32,094 --> 00:08:33,262 Yes or no?! 170 00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:34,931 Yeah! 171 00:08:35,014 --> 00:08:37,475 [cheering] 172 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:42,188 It was such a huge promotion. 173 00:08:42,271 --> 00:08:44,440 They're talking about it all over the world. 174 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:48,069 Heavyweight champion Hulk Hogan to defend his crown 175 00:08:48,152 --> 00:08:50,363 against challenger Andre the Giant. 176 00:08:50,446 --> 00:08:53,115 [reporter 1] So great is the lure that WrestleMania III 177 00:08:53,199 --> 00:08:54,742 will draw the largest audience 178 00:08:54,825 --> 00:08:57,787 ever to witness an indoor sporting or entertainment event 179 00:08:57,870 --> 00:08:59,288 in the history of the world. 180 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:01,958 We sold 93,000 seats. 181 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:05,628 [reporter 2] We're expecting fans from France, Germany, Africa, South America, 182 00:09:05,711 --> 00:09:07,588 the Orient, all over the world. 183 00:09:07,672 --> 00:09:08,589 [bell ringing] 184 00:09:08,673 --> 00:09:14,011 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the magnificent Silverdome... 185 00:09:14,095 --> 00:09:16,138 [crowd cheering] 186 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:19,809 ...and welcome to WrestleMania III! 187 00:09:19,892 --> 00:09:22,186 [cheering intensifies] 188 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:26,566 And now, the Queen of Soul, 189 00:09:27,316 --> 00:09:30,403 Ms. Aretha Franklin! 190 00:09:30,486 --> 00:09:31,904 [crowd cheering] 191 00:09:31,988 --> 00:09:34,198 [playing "America the Beautiful"] 192 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:36,576 ♪ Oh, beautiful... ♪ 193 00:09:37,243 --> 00:09:39,912 [Gorilla] Take a look, Jesse, it's unreal. 194 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:43,374 History will be made here this afternoon at the Pontiac Silverdome. 195 00:09:44,041 --> 00:09:46,419 Little Beaver just gave Bundy a shot in the boiler. 196 00:09:46,502 --> 00:09:48,421 Rowdy Roddy with a sleeper. 197 00:09:48,504 --> 00:09:49,714 From behind with a cane! 198 00:09:50,339 --> 00:09:51,799 -Bombs away! -[Ventura] He got him! 199 00:09:51,882 --> 00:09:53,634 Oh! He broke his guitar! 200 00:09:53,718 --> 00:09:55,553 [Gorilla] And Alice Cooper is inside. 201 00:09:55,636 --> 00:09:57,221 [Ventura] He keeps holding pythons! 202 00:09:57,305 --> 00:10:01,350 [Gorilla] The Stars and Stripes pinned on the end of that equalizer. 203 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:05,646 ♪ ...shining sea ♪ 204 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:07,565 [crowd cheering] 205 00:10:07,648 --> 00:10:09,442 [McMahon] There were a lot of great attractions 206 00:10:09,525 --> 00:10:11,152 underneath this huge main event, 207 00:10:12,111 --> 00:10:14,989 but it was Hogan and Andre that drew that house. 208 00:10:15,072 --> 00:10:18,743 Sooner or later, you gotta live and die, and you gotta face the truth. 209 00:10:18,826 --> 00:10:22,413 And for you, Andre the Giant, it's time to face the truth, brother. 210 00:10:22,997 --> 00:10:27,043 [Okerlund] Hulk Hogan has never met a man bigger than him, stronger than him, 211 00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:31,088 and with a burning will inside, more than Andre the Giant. 212 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:32,965 [McMahon] Andre never told Hogan 213 00:10:33,049 --> 00:10:35,676 whether or not he would allow Hogan to win the match. 214 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:39,889 And Hulk kept coming to me, "Did you talk to Andre?" 215 00:10:39,972 --> 00:10:42,600 I said, "I did." "Well, what did he say?" 216 00:10:42,683 --> 00:10:44,935 I said, "There's not gonna be any problem." 217 00:10:45,019 --> 00:10:48,064 You couldn't force him to do anything. Come on. He's a giant. 218 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:51,150 [Bollea] I sat in the locker room with Andre. 219 00:10:51,233 --> 00:10:55,821 I would say, "Hey, boss, any idea what we're doing out there?" "Don't worry." 220 00:10:55,905 --> 00:10:58,574 Finally got a hold of Vince, I said, "What's gonna happen?" 221 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:01,869 "What am I doing out there? Am I winning or losing?" 222 00:11:03,245 --> 00:11:06,624 He goes, "Andre will do the right thing. Don't worry." What does that mean? 223 00:11:06,707 --> 00:11:08,209 [crowd cheering] 224 00:11:08,292 --> 00:11:11,128 [Gorilla] This is the main event of the evening. 225 00:11:11,837 --> 00:11:15,216 He weighs 520 pounds. 226 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,511 Andre the Giant! 227 00:11:19,553 --> 00:11:26,018 And now, his opponent, Hulk Hogan! 228 00:11:26,102 --> 00:11:28,312 [Bollea] When I walked out to the Silverdome, 229 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:31,357 I just couldn't believe how full it was. 230 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,152 I said, "This is either gonna be the easiest thing I've ever done, 231 00:11:35,236 --> 00:11:38,489 or this is gonna be a total disaster. There's no in between." 232 00:11:38,572 --> 00:11:42,284 [Ventura] This is the biggest match in the history of professional wrestling. 233 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:45,037 [Gorilla] The irresistible force meeting the immovable object. 234 00:11:45,121 --> 00:11:47,206 [Ventura] Look at the size of the giant! 235 00:11:47,289 --> 00:11:48,124 Up! 236 00:11:48,207 --> 00:11:52,420 [McMahon] We had this giant, and we had this individual with so much charisma, 237 00:11:52,503 --> 00:11:54,422 who was almost a superhero. [chuckles] 238 00:11:55,172 --> 00:11:58,801 And the two of them colliding, it was awesome. 239 00:11:58,884 --> 00:12:01,679 -[crowd cheering] -[Gorilla speaking indistinctly] 240 00:12:01,762 --> 00:12:06,058 During the match, it was the first time I realized how bad his back really was. 241 00:12:06,642 --> 00:12:09,478 I told him in the ring, "Boss, stay close to the ropes," 242 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:12,523 because I knew he couldn't get back up on his own. 243 00:12:12,606 --> 00:12:16,944 But we got through the match, and then out of nowhere, he goes, "Slam!" 244 00:12:17,695 --> 00:12:21,449 And I went, "What?" And when I said, "What?" he came at me. 245 00:12:21,532 --> 00:12:22,450 [thud] 246 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:26,287 [Bollea] After I slammed him, I dropped the leg and covered him. 247 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:28,664 I didn't know if this was gonna be a one-two kickout. 248 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:31,500 I had no idea if I was gonna win or lose the match. 249 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:32,877 [interviewer] Until when? 250 00:12:34,003 --> 00:12:35,880 [Bollea] Until Andre didn't kick out. 251 00:12:35,963 --> 00:12:37,798 [Gorilla] It's over! It's over! 252 00:12:38,924 --> 00:12:43,846 [Ventura] Unbelievable! I never thought it could be done, Gorilla Monsoon. 253 00:12:44,555 --> 00:12:49,643 That moment in time, it's just something very, very special. 254 00:12:50,227 --> 00:12:56,942 [Gorilla] World Wrestling Entertainment heavyweight champion, Hulk Hogan! 255 00:12:57,026 --> 00:12:59,069 [Ventura] Listen to the emotion! 256 00:12:59,153 --> 00:13:00,863 [crowd cheering] 257 00:13:02,198 --> 00:13:05,409 [McMahon] That's probably the greatest attraction we've ever had. 258 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,621 That's something I'm very, very proud of today. 259 00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:15,586 WrestleMania III is a key part of the WWE and Vince McMahon mythology 260 00:13:15,669 --> 00:13:17,379 and story of wrestling, 261 00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:20,216 that Andre the Giant passed the torch to Hogan. 262 00:13:20,299 --> 00:13:23,511 The reality is Hogan was a bigger star than Andre before that match happened. 263 00:13:23,594 --> 00:13:27,556 [Gorilla] Hulk Hogan, electrifying this capacity crowd! 264 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,016 "Andre had never lost." 265 00:13:29,099 --> 00:13:33,521 [Ventura] The first time in 15 years Andre the Giant had ever been defeated. 266 00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:34,688 Nah, Andre lost. 267 00:13:34,772 --> 00:13:38,609 -[Ventura] Andre is out! -[Gorilla] He's out! I can't believe it! 268 00:13:38,692 --> 00:13:39,944 "Andre had never been slammed." 269 00:13:40,027 --> 00:13:42,321 Been slammed probably 25 times before that. Maybe more. 270 00:13:42,404 --> 00:13:43,906 [Gorilla] Oh! Look at that! 271 00:13:43,989 --> 00:13:45,032 [thud] 272 00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:48,035 They've said 93,000 for so many years, they probably believe it. 273 00:13:48,118 --> 00:13:49,495 93,000 people. 274 00:13:49,578 --> 00:13:51,497 93,173 people. 275 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:55,626 We held the record for 93,000 in that building. 276 00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:58,504 Yeah, it was actually 78,000 in the building. 277 00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:02,842 [Shoemaker] I don't know why this is one of the greatest controversies 278 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:04,426 in pro wrestling history. 279 00:14:05,052 --> 00:14:07,471 I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, 280 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:09,974 and I'm not sure that it matters at all. 281 00:14:10,057 --> 00:14:11,392 Nothing that any wrestler, 282 00:14:11,475 --> 00:14:14,979 that anybody involved in wrestling tells you, should be regarded as fact. 283 00:14:15,896 --> 00:14:18,774 But regardless of the real attendance figure, 284 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:21,277 WrestleMania III was an enormous success. 285 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,570 [upbeat music playing] 286 00:14:22,653 --> 00:14:26,031 [Gorilla] History is made here in the Silverdome, Pontiac, Michigan, 287 00:14:26,115 --> 00:14:30,369 and that guy right there has made history all over the world. 288 00:14:30,452 --> 00:14:32,705 [McMahon] A victory for Hogan at that time 289 00:14:32,788 --> 00:14:34,874 would build him greater as an entertainer 290 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:38,335 and an athlete and representation of our brand, 291 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,505 but of course, the brand comes up that way too. 292 00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:45,509 ♪ I am a real American ♪ 293 00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:47,094 ♪ Fight for the rights... ♪ 294 00:14:47,177 --> 00:14:53,309 WrestleMania III changed the business, and it launched me into superstar stratus. 295 00:14:53,392 --> 00:14:56,312 ["Real American" by Rick Derringer playing] 296 00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:58,272 [Robin Leach] He is the most famous 297 00:14:58,355 --> 00:15:00,691 and successful professional wrestler the world has ever seen. 298 00:15:00,774 --> 00:15:03,944 His name alone can generate millions of dollars of revenue, 299 00:15:04,028 --> 00:15:05,821 and when he performs at indoor arenas, 300 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:09,241 he has attracted bigger crowds than the Rolling Stones and even the Pope. 301 00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:11,035 [White] When Hulkamania was running wild, 302 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:13,913 he gotta be the most popular person in the world. 303 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:18,250 You book Hogan on the card, the building sold out. That was it. 304 00:15:19,168 --> 00:15:22,171 ♪ I am a real American... ♪ 305 00:15:22,254 --> 00:15:24,840 [Bob Costas] He was a figure of national fame. 306 00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:29,428 You didn't even really have to be someone who regularly watched wrestling. 307 00:15:29,511 --> 00:15:31,889 Hulk Hogan had broken through. 308 00:15:31,972 --> 00:15:33,724 [crowd cheering] 309 00:15:33,807 --> 00:15:35,517 [Stephanie] At that time, Hulk Hogan... 310 00:15:35,601 --> 00:15:37,770 That's all anybody talked about was Hulk Hogan, 311 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,816 so I do remember feeling a little bit of resentment as a kid, 312 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,069 because my dad never got the credit 313 00:15:45,152 --> 00:15:48,781 that he deserved for creating all of this. 314 00:15:48,864 --> 00:15:49,823 After... 315 00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:52,868 [White] Every word that came out of Hogan's mouth was Vince talking. 316 00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:55,079 [McMahon] Better stock 'em on your shelves. 317 00:15:55,162 --> 00:15:58,624 Make sure you've got plenty of 'em right on your shelves. 318 00:15:58,707 --> 00:16:03,253 Hogan and Vince were like one person. Vince came up with the idea, Hogan did it. 319 00:16:04,463 --> 00:16:06,423 [Bollea] Every single thing was Vince. 320 00:16:07,007 --> 00:16:10,719 When he would tell me stuff, I'd be, "Eh, I don't know, man," 321 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,096 but I'd do it anyway, 322 00:16:12,179 --> 00:16:15,099 because everything he did turned to gold. 323 00:16:15,182 --> 00:16:16,850 [announcer] With wrestling superstars... 324 00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:19,853 It's like having a real match right in your own home. 325 00:16:19,937 --> 00:16:22,606 [McMahon] This huge swell of fans and what have you 326 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:24,858 that we now had, middle-class America, 327 00:16:24,942 --> 00:16:28,028 it's like, "Let's bring this together and let's sell it." 328 00:16:28,112 --> 00:16:31,865 You can start by getting in shape with a Hulkamania workout set. 329 00:16:31,949 --> 00:16:34,159 [announcer] 1-900-454-HULK. 330 00:16:34,243 --> 00:16:35,744 [all] Yay! 331 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:38,122 {\an8}[reporter] One of the most remarkable success stories 332 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:39,456 has been written by the WWE, 333 00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:43,085 as marketing merchandise grossed over 200 million last year alone. 334 00:16:43,168 --> 00:16:44,378 I'm Vince McMahon... 335 00:16:44,461 --> 00:16:46,714 [reporter] The man behind the magic, the man behind the mic 336 00:16:46,797 --> 00:16:48,257 is Vince McMahon, Jr. 337 00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:50,509 [White] Vince never stopped. 338 00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:52,511 He didn't complain about the hours he worked. 339 00:16:52,594 --> 00:16:54,304 He's a workaholic. 340 00:16:54,388 --> 00:16:58,267 As Hogan was out doing the shows and drawing the money, 341 00:16:59,059 --> 00:17:01,395 Vince was out setting up other stuff. 342 00:17:02,563 --> 00:17:05,691 [McMahon] At that time, because of the success that we had, 343 00:17:05,774 --> 00:17:07,818 Hogan wanted to be part of Hollywood. 344 00:17:08,610 --> 00:17:12,322 And I'm going, "Kill myself. I'm gonna lose Hogan to Hollywood now." 345 00:17:12,406 --> 00:17:16,535 And I said, "Terry, you're going to do a film, I'll do one with you." 346 00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:18,370 I knew nothing about filmmaking. 347 00:17:19,121 --> 00:17:23,459 So Terry and I decided, "Well, all right, we'll go write a movie." 348 00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:27,629 It was basically Vince and I spending two, two and a half days, in a hotel room 349 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,256 writing the whole script. 350 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,843 Didn't know what the hell we were doing. We were just having fun. 351 00:17:32,926 --> 00:17:36,638 [announcer] The movie! The Hulkster as you've never seen before! 352 00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:38,432 No Holds Barred! 353 00:17:38,515 --> 00:17:41,310 -[yelling] -[clattering] 354 00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:44,813 It's not the world's worst movie... 355 00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:47,316 [groaning] 356 00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:50,527 ...but uh, it wasn't great. 357 00:17:50,611 --> 00:17:52,738 What's that smell? 358 00:17:52,821 --> 00:17:54,990 Dookie. 359 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:56,700 [Prichard] It was pretty hokey. 360 00:17:56,784 --> 00:17:58,035 Dookie? 361 00:17:58,118 --> 00:18:02,081 I thought, "I'll do this great movie, and everyone's gonna wanna see it." 362 00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:04,500 Not exactly the way it worked out. 363 00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:05,667 [sobbing] 364 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:09,338 [McMahon] It didn't prevent Hogan from then going to Hollywood, 365 00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:11,215 but it delayed it for a while. 366 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,302 [interviewer] When did you notice Hulkamania was starting to fade? 367 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:20,933 You know, I go back, and I look at WrestleMania VI. 368 00:18:21,016 --> 00:18:23,685 [Gorilla] The Hulkster putting his title on the line 369 00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:25,646 against the Ultimate Warrior... 370 00:18:25,729 --> 00:18:30,901 At that time, for Hogan, his star may have been fading a little bit. 371 00:18:31,485 --> 00:18:33,612 Do you want to live forever? 372 00:18:33,695 --> 00:18:36,448 [McMahon] You can't stay on top every day, every year. 373 00:18:36,532 --> 00:18:40,202 It was probably time for Hogan to be on the bench for a while. 374 00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:43,539 Hulk's getting older, and you need something new. 375 00:18:43,622 --> 00:18:47,084 [Gorilla] The Ultimate Warrior! 376 00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:50,587 [Prichard] And Warrior had a groundswell of popularity. 377 00:18:50,671 --> 00:18:54,174 [Gorilla] Listen to the ovation, Jess, for the Ultimate Warrior! 378 00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:56,927 [Bollea] The Ultimate Warrior was built better than me, 379 00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:58,887 and his colors were brighter than me. 380 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:04,184 The only problem he had was he wasn't in love with this business. 381 00:19:05,018 --> 00:19:08,355 It was a situation, behind that shiny object, there wasn't much go. 382 00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:12,276 But I did what Andre did for me. I passed the torch to him. 383 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,736 [Gorilla] He's impervious to those moves! 384 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:18,157 [Ventura] Unbelievable! Hogan has never had anyone do that! 385 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,575 [crowd cheering] 386 00:19:19,658 --> 00:19:21,535 [Gorilla] Look out! The big splash win! 387 00:19:21,618 --> 00:19:25,289 [Ventura] Two! And out! He got him! 388 00:19:26,206 --> 00:19:31,295 [Prichard] Warrior became the champion and was very popular with the audience. 389 00:19:31,378 --> 00:19:33,338 As popular as Hulk? No. 390 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:35,215 [crowd cheering] 391 00:19:35,299 --> 00:19:39,595 [Prichard] As time went on, Warrior wasn't all that we had hoped he would be, 392 00:19:39,678 --> 00:19:43,015 and he was not a popular person backstage, 393 00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:48,562 so immediately you look at, "Oh my God, we need to move back to Hulk." 394 00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:52,733 We had this storyline, uh, in which Sergeant Slaughter, 395 00:19:52,816 --> 00:19:55,194 who was a big, huge fan favorite... 396 00:19:55,277 --> 00:19:56,778 [man] Sergeant Slaughter 397 00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:59,364 [McMahon] ...he was a Marine Corps drill sergeant 398 00:19:59,448 --> 00:20:00,616 and a great American, 399 00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:06,163 so he, as a babyface, a good guy in the parlance of our business, 400 00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:08,457 was turning into a bad guy. 401 00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:12,002 And, like any good organization, you're always like, 402 00:20:12,085 --> 00:20:14,922 {\an8}"What can I take from pop culture? What's happening out in the world, 403 00:20:15,005 --> 00:20:17,257 and how can we present it in a different fashion?" 404 00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:22,262 So, there was a lot of heat, as we call it, with Iraq and USA. 405 00:20:22,346 --> 00:20:24,681 Troops and civilians on edge in the Middle East. 406 00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:28,685 So, okay, good. Then we can capitalize on that. 407 00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:31,313 [Sergeant Slaughter] Atten-hut! 408 00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:33,649 [Okerlund] My guest this week, ladies and gentlemen, 409 00:20:33,732 --> 00:20:38,695 is the former United States military man, Sergeant Slaughter. 410 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:41,823 [Ventura] Yeah, Sergeant "DD." Dishonorable Discharge. 411 00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:44,868 [McMahon] Sergeant Slaughter sort of was drafted 412 00:20:44,952 --> 00:20:47,829 into the Iraqi culture, so to speak, 413 00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:50,791 and now he wanted to represent Iraq. 414 00:20:50,874 --> 00:20:53,919 I will take the flag 415 00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:58,715 of the brave Iraqi country 416 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:01,176 and raise it high in the air! 417 00:21:01,802 --> 00:21:05,847 [McMahon] We had this big storyline going with Hogan versus Sergeant Slaughter, 418 00:21:05,931 --> 00:21:09,017 USA versus Iraq, and it was working. 419 00:21:09,101 --> 00:21:10,936 It was working really well. 420 00:21:11,019 --> 00:21:15,065 And then all of a sudden, from a reality standpoint... 421 00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:16,608 ta-ta-ta-dum. 422 00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:20,946 Iraq invades Kuwait. We have Desert Storm. 423 00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:22,948 As I report to you, 424 00:21:23,031 --> 00:21:27,452 air attacks are underway against military targets in Iraq. 425 00:21:27,536 --> 00:21:30,205 [Prichard] Having Sarge as an Iraqi sympathizer, 426 00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:35,043 it was way too fresh, way too new and in the now. 427 00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:38,297 It was like, "Wait a minute. I've got a relative over there, 428 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:42,217 or a niece, or something like that, that's serving our country." 429 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:46,138 The audience didn't want to see it. 430 00:21:46,805 --> 00:21:48,307 [Bollea] We got to the point where 431 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,809 Sergeant Slaughter was getting death threats at home, 432 00:21:50,892 --> 00:21:53,020 they wanted to kill his wife and his kids, 433 00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:56,106 so as far as telling a wrestling story, it worked awesome. 434 00:21:56,189 --> 00:21:59,526 I just thought that, "Phew, boy, this was a risky move here." 435 00:21:59,609 --> 00:22:01,611 Americans could die in this thing, 436 00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:05,574 {\an8}so change it up, back off with the story line a little bit, 437 00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:07,534 but still have the match. 438 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:10,162 [Gorilla] Once again, the largest pay-per-view audience 439 00:22:10,245 --> 00:22:12,581 in the history of pay-per-view. 440 00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:15,709 Aw, no! Give me a break here! 441 00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:18,170 It's not over yet! 442 00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:21,423 Hulkster tearing it to pieces! 443 00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:24,301 You're not gonna do that to the United States of America. 444 00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:26,094 It's over! 445 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:27,471 [crowd cheering] 446 00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:29,681 [Gorilla] He got him! He got him! 447 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:32,351 At the end of the day, the great American won. 448 00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:35,729 [Gorilla] He did it for World Wrestling Entertainment 449 00:22:35,812 --> 00:22:38,231 and for the United States of America! 450 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:43,945 The wrestling of the early to mid-'80s, I liked it a lot. 451 00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:46,615 I was very amused by it. 452 00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:52,788 But it took a nastier turn somewhere down the line, 453 00:22:53,789 --> 00:22:56,833 and at some point, it ceased to be something 454 00:22:56,917 --> 00:22:59,127 that I was comfortable being involved with. 455 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:02,464 [McMahon] You learn from everything, 456 00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,802 and since you have no control over world events, 457 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:10,555 you have to be very careful associating yourself with events 458 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:12,099 in the real world. 459 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:15,477 Anything can happen, so don't go there. 460 00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:21,733 [Prichard] So we move back to Hulk, and there wasn't, "Thank God Hulk's back." 461 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:25,529 The audience was tired of Hulk, 462 00:23:25,612 --> 00:23:30,659 at least Hulk in that role of being the All-American, being the hero. 463 00:23:31,368 --> 00:23:32,702 They were sick of him. 464 00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:36,164 And on top of that, 465 00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:41,795 there started being the whispers of the Dr. Zahorian trial 466 00:23:41,878 --> 00:23:43,630 and whispers of all this other stuff. 467 00:23:43,713 --> 00:23:46,133 In Harrisburg, Pennsylvania next Monday, 468 00:23:46,216 --> 00:23:50,429 a doctor will go on trial charged with prescribing anabolic steroids 469 00:23:50,512 --> 00:23:52,264 to several professional wrestlers. 470 00:23:52,347 --> 00:23:55,892 [reporter] Dr. George Zahorian has been indicted by a federal grand jury 471 00:23:55,976 --> 00:23:59,312 on 15 counts of distributing muscle-building steroids. 472 00:23:59,896 --> 00:24:02,983 To my right, Dr. George Zahorian. Thank you for joining us this week... 473 00:24:03,066 --> 00:24:04,734 [McMahon] Dr. George Zahorian was appointed 474 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:06,987 by the Pennsylvania State Athletic Commission 475 00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:09,948 as the doctor of note for WWE. 476 00:24:10,031 --> 00:24:12,492 We had nothing to do with who was appointed. 477 00:24:13,368 --> 00:24:15,454 His role was to make sure that all the laws 478 00:24:15,537 --> 00:24:17,956 of the state athletic commission were followed. 479 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:20,292 He would be in our locker rooms and things of that nature, 480 00:24:21,042 --> 00:24:25,088 and he began to sell steroids to our talent. 481 00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:29,968 At that time, steroids were part of the culture 482 00:24:30,051 --> 00:24:34,764 because all the stars during that time period had the perfect bodies, 483 00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:36,641 and so it was the norm. 484 00:24:36,725 --> 00:24:39,603 You know? Like people go to Starbucks before work, 485 00:24:39,686 --> 00:24:42,814 people took steroids because they were wrestlers or actors 486 00:24:42,898 --> 00:24:45,692 or baseball players or hockey players or football players. 487 00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:50,864 [Costas] It was an era where steroid use in sports ran amok. 488 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:54,534 If you just looked at the wrestlers themselves, 489 00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:59,915 they went from, you know, a burly guy who could plausibly be introduced 490 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:03,460 as having come off his grandpa's farm in Iowa, 491 00:25:03,543 --> 00:25:06,421 built his muscles from hoisting bales of hay, 492 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,007 to these guys who were like cyborgs. 493 00:25:09,966 --> 00:25:13,345 The WWE reeked of steroids. 494 00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:14,763 It's obvious. 495 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:17,224 [Okerlund] Now you tell me he ain't ripped. 496 00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:23,313 Dr. George Zahorian would come, and he would have steroids and painkillers 497 00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:25,607 and sleeping pills and different things 498 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:30,362 that he would then prescribe and sell to the talent. 499 00:25:30,445 --> 00:25:34,533 He would check you for your match. Blood pressure, pulse rate, and all that. 500 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,826 And it's like, "I need a few other things," 501 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:40,038 and then you'd negotiate for your steroids and your pills. 502 00:25:40,872 --> 00:25:44,918 [McMahon] It wasn't illegal to buy steroids from a physician. 503 00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:46,753 I bought some from him. 504 00:25:46,836 --> 00:25:51,049 But it was illegal to prescribe them just to sell them. 505 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,886 [Prichard] Steroids, early on, they were legal. 506 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:58,431 However, when they became illegal, that's when it became an issue. 507 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:01,393 [Shane McMahon] Following Reagan's era of the war on drugs... 508 00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:03,103 [Reagan] Just say no. 509 00:26:03,687 --> 00:26:06,106 [Shane] ...the laws started changing, 510 00:26:06,189 --> 00:26:07,274 and at some point, 511 00:26:07,357 --> 00:26:10,569 steroids were categorized as a Class III substance. 512 00:26:11,945 --> 00:26:14,322 [Prichard] The feeling was that doctors were prescribing them 513 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:17,284 not for the purpose that they were intended for. 514 00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:21,788 [McMahon] So George Zahorian was arrested by the federal government. 515 00:26:21,871 --> 00:26:24,791 The government came down hard on him and sent him to jail. 516 00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:27,002 It's hard to believe what's occurred today. 517 00:26:28,378 --> 00:26:31,131 All of the media hoopla behind the steroid trial 518 00:26:32,257 --> 00:26:35,343 definitely came at a really bad time for Vince. 519 00:26:36,303 --> 00:26:40,307 We had just started the WBF, the World Bodybuilding Federation. 520 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:43,351 Here comes the World Bodybuilding Federation. 521 00:26:44,102 --> 00:26:46,688 I've always enjoyed bodybuilding and physiques, 522 00:26:47,772 --> 00:26:50,233 so I thought maybe I could get these bodybuilders 523 00:26:50,317 --> 00:26:52,152 to perform various routines 524 00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:54,738 and add a lot of entertainment value to it. 525 00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:57,616 Turned out not a good time to do that, 526 00:26:58,533 --> 00:27:02,537 because bodybuilders, all they do is take steroids. 527 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:06,499 So, the writing's on the wall. This is not gonna work. 528 00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:09,961 I decided, "Well, let's fold this." 529 00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:13,423 At that time, there was a lot of heat, 530 00:27:13,506 --> 00:27:16,885 and I felt like, boy, I'm getting hit from all sides. 531 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:20,430 Most of us think of professional wrestling as harmless entertainment 532 00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:22,724 and Hulk Hogan as the King of the Ring. 533 00:27:22,807 --> 00:27:25,727 But was there a sinister side to his success? 534 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:29,606 [reporter] Dr. Zahorian testified he had treated Hulk Hogan 535 00:27:29,689 --> 00:27:32,067 for a serious steroid abuse problem. 536 00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:36,404 After the Zahorian trial, Vince ended up being pressured by the media 537 00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:38,073 to start steroid testing. 538 00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:40,325 When you see this symbol, 539 00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:45,080 you can be assured of drug-free sports entertainment 540 00:27:45,163 --> 00:27:48,875 that you and your entire family can be proud of. 541 00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:54,381 I held a press conference and said, "Hey, look, I took steroids." 542 00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:55,757 "Not anymore." 543 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,510 "We're gonna establish protocols and procedures 544 00:27:58,593 --> 00:28:01,054 to make certain that none of our performers do either." 545 00:28:01,137 --> 00:28:04,808 World Wrestling Entertainment will be the standard-bearer 546 00:28:04,891 --> 00:28:07,602 for drug-free sports and entertainment. 547 00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:09,938 [upbeat music playing] 548 00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:14,109 [McMahon] The same day, Hulk Hogan went on The Arsenio Hall Show. 549 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:19,572 Your name came up recently when a doctor got himself into trouble. 550 00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:22,158 -Have you heard about this? -Yeah, I've heard about it. 551 00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:25,328 I remember talking with Vince about going on Arsenio Hall. 552 00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:27,163 He thought it was a bad idea. 553 00:28:27,247 --> 00:28:30,041 My suggestion to him is to come clean. 554 00:28:31,084 --> 00:28:32,293 That's not what happened. 555 00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:36,756 I'm not a steroid abuser, and I do not use steroids. 556 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:41,845 It was like, "Oh God, please. You know. Just tell the truth. It's so much easier." 557 00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:44,806 [reporter] Hulk Hogan went on The Arsenio Hall Show 558 00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:48,226 and told everybody that he only took steroids three times. 559 00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:49,936 He lied like a dog. 560 00:28:50,019 --> 00:28:52,522 I myself injected him personally. 561 00:28:52,605 --> 00:28:55,108 I injected Hogan with steroids many times. 562 00:28:55,608 --> 00:28:58,445 I self-destructed my own self, you know. 563 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:02,407 That was one of the worst decisions I ever made was not listening to Vince. 564 00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:05,785 When you do stuff like that, uh, and don't tell the truth, 565 00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:09,122 then it's an open door for people to come get you, 566 00:29:09,205 --> 00:29:13,168 and, unfortunately, we were caught in the crosshairs of that as well. 567 00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:20,717 I was never assigned to cover wrestling, 568 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,388 but pro wrestling was so highly rated on TV it was hard to ignore, 569 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:28,475 and I slowly began to feed it into my column. 570 00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:33,563 There was a newspaper columnist, Phil Mushnick, with The New York Post. 571 00:29:33,646 --> 00:29:36,566 Try to be nice here, but there's nothing nice to say about him. 572 00:29:37,358 --> 00:29:40,445 He seemed to be on a vendetta against the company 573 00:29:40,528 --> 00:29:41,946 and Vince in particular. 574 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:45,200 Phil Mushnick was digging for anything he could. 575 00:29:45,283 --> 00:29:49,204 {\an8}I don't know why he has a vendetta, still does, against our company, 576 00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:50,955 {\an8}against our form of entertainment. 577 00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:53,041 Against me. I don't know why. 578 00:29:53,124 --> 00:29:55,043 'Cause he's a dirtbag. 579 00:29:55,126 --> 00:29:58,087 [tense music playing] 580 00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:00,423 [Mushnick] What Vince had by running wrestling 581 00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:01,716 is that it's wrestling. 582 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,093 So the real reporters, for the most part, 583 00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:06,888 "It's wrestling. We don't wanna waste our time covering it." 584 00:30:07,472 --> 00:30:10,600 And Phil Mushnick was the one guy to cover it, 585 00:30:10,683 --> 00:30:15,355 and he wrote very strongly against Vince. Stronger than I would write. 586 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:22,529 Back then, no one had seen anything written critical of pro wrestling 587 00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:23,988 in mainstream media. 588 00:30:24,572 --> 00:30:30,036 And when I first wrote this stuff, my mailbox was stuffed with messages, 589 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:32,956 and they essentially all read the same. 590 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:35,834 "You don't know the half of it." 591 00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:39,087 "You don't know how truly bad it is within the ring 592 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:40,630 and within the locker rooms." 593 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:45,844 And I returned some calls, and it was mind-blowing. 594 00:30:46,803 --> 00:30:48,930 [Shoemaker] You know, as wrestling becomes more popular, 595 00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:52,183 naturally, people are interested in the stories 596 00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,686 of what's going on behind the scenes. 597 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,856 And pulling back the curtain in the pro wrestling world 598 00:30:57,939 --> 00:30:59,399 can be pretty shocking. 599 00:30:59,482 --> 00:31:03,528 You know, the stories of depravity, of sex, of violence, of drug use... 600 00:31:03,611 --> 00:31:06,489 We would have been looked upon, in today's society, 601 00:31:06,573 --> 00:31:09,284 as some of the worst human beings walking the face of the Earth. 602 00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:12,537 I mean, we abused the hell out of women. 603 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:14,372 All of us did. 604 00:31:14,455 --> 00:31:16,833 You know, they was like a toy for us. 605 00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:20,879 You don't have to do a lot of research to understand 606 00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:23,548 that being a woman in or around 607 00:31:23,631 --> 00:31:26,092 the pro wrestling world at this point in history 608 00:31:26,175 --> 00:31:29,178 was not necessarily a safe place to be. 609 00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:32,849 I hear some horrible stuff about women in wrestling. 610 00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:33,766 Horrible. 611 00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:38,021 With us now, ladies and gentlemen, "Superfly" Jimmy Snuka. 612 00:31:38,104 --> 00:31:40,315 [White] For example, the Jimmy Snuka thing. 613 00:31:40,982 --> 00:31:42,817 When that girl got killed. 614 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:45,904 In 1983, Jimmy Snuka... 615 00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:46,905 [crowd cheering] 616 00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,532 ...was the most popular wrestler in the company at the time. 617 00:31:50,116 --> 00:31:53,286 Something happened in a hotel room in Allentown, Pennsylvania. 618 00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:57,707 His girlfriend hit her head and died. 619 00:31:58,499 --> 00:32:02,128 The forensic pathologist who investigated thought it was a homicide, 620 00:32:02,211 --> 00:32:05,131 but, at the time, no charges were ever filed. 621 00:32:05,214 --> 00:32:07,634 "Superfly" Jimmy Snuka. 622 00:32:08,217 --> 00:32:10,428 Was the power of Vince involved in that? 623 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:13,640 I think that Vince had a hand in making it go away. 624 00:32:13,723 --> 00:32:15,850 I mean, exactly what, I don't know. 625 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,394 And hell, brother, is gonna be hot. 626 00:32:19,062 --> 00:32:20,146 Hot, brother. 627 00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:23,733 No doubt. 628 00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:29,155 At this point, most fans didn't know about these darker stories about pro wrestling. 629 00:32:30,239 --> 00:32:32,116 Phil Mushnick was one of the first people 630 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,619 to really bring this out into the public's face. 631 00:32:37,372 --> 00:32:40,249 [Meltzer] Phil Mushnick was vigilant against Vince. 632 00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,502 He had told me once, and he said, 633 00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:45,880 "I've got a story. The day I write it, they may have to close the doors." 634 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:50,677 A battle royale in professional wrestling over new allegations of sexual harassment 635 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,595 by top officials in the sport. 636 00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:55,890 This growing scandal could put wrestling down for the count. 637 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,519 There was so much going on at the time, 638 00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:02,689 and one accusation is that someone from our organization 639 00:33:02,772 --> 00:33:04,899 was coming on to someone on the ring crew. 640 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:10,321 [Mushnick] The ring boy scandal began with a fellow named Mel Phillips, 641 00:33:11,155 --> 00:33:13,741 who was what they called a ring boss. 642 00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:17,286 He would bring with him ring boys. 643 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:20,707 In too many cases, 644 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:27,338 these ring boys were underage, and they were being sexually abused. 645 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:29,173 [reporter] Former ring boy Tom Cole 646 00:33:29,257 --> 00:33:34,262 says that top WWE executives sexually harassed and abused ring boys, 647 00:33:34,345 --> 00:33:38,016 the teenagers hired to put up and take down rings at matches. 648 00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:42,854 Mel Phillips was a total pedophile that preyed on young boys, 649 00:33:42,937 --> 00:33:49,610 and if these young boys weren't complying with their requests for sexual favors, 650 00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:50,695 they weren't hired. 651 00:33:50,778 --> 00:33:55,908 And then I learned there were others involved. 652 00:33:56,659 --> 00:33:59,787 Terry Garvin, an executive in Connecticut, 653 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:03,916 and Pat Patterson, one of McMahon's top executives. 654 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,545 Here at ringside, Vince McMahon along with wrestling great Pat Patterson... 655 00:34:07,628 --> 00:34:11,257 [Prichard] In a business that was very homophobic, 656 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:14,427 Pat was gay, and openly gay. 657 00:34:15,511 --> 00:34:20,933 But Pat prospered and became a top guy everywhere he went. 658 00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:24,645 {\an8}I was grabbed on numerous occasions on my testicles, on my buttocks 659 00:34:24,729 --> 00:34:27,815 {\an8}by Pat Patterson of World Wrestling Entertainment, 660 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:30,568 and Terry Garvin propositioned me when I was 16, 661 00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:33,821 offered me cocaine and all kinds of drugs to have sex with him. 662 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,616 When I refused, I was let go from the company when I was 16. 663 00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:43,706 I think, uh, Vince is guilty of aiding and abetting the ring boy scandal. 664 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:48,169 At best, he's guilty of rank neglect. 665 00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:52,006 [McMahon] Phil Mushnick was trying to build this whole case 666 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,217 of how rotten the company was. 667 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,635 He didn't care how he did it. 668 00:34:55,718 --> 00:34:58,930 He didn't care whether he hurt the people that were involved 669 00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:00,473 on one side or the other. 670 00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:04,727 He just wanted to write this salacious piece about WWE. 671 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:06,354 It was a pedophile ring! 672 00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:09,065 Three of these guys were all in on it. 673 00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:14,153 These were real kids being sexually abused on McMahon's watch. 674 00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:17,865 I do think there was a lot of turning a blind eye 675 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:21,369 to some of the things that were going on, but I don't think anybody... 676 00:35:22,495 --> 00:35:25,206 could ever prove anything. It was like, how do you prove it? 677 00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:29,001 [Meltzer] And eventually Vince settled with Tom Cole. 678 00:35:30,837 --> 00:35:32,505 Mel Phillips and Terry Garvin, 679 00:35:32,588 --> 00:35:35,133 they were let go and never worked there again. 680 00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:38,094 Pat Patterson resigned, 681 00:35:38,177 --> 00:35:41,013 but during that period, Vince and I talked. 682 00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:43,391 He goes, "One of the three was innocent." 683 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:45,768 And I go, "Who?" And he goes, "Pat Patterson." 684 00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:48,479 And I go, "Why is he gone if he's innocent?" 685 00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:50,982 He goes, "You don't understand running this business." 686 00:35:51,065 --> 00:35:54,527 "It's a gay witch hunt, and he had to go." 687 00:35:55,778 --> 00:35:58,281 Most people in wrestling that were around 688 00:35:58,364 --> 00:36:01,367 believe that Patterson never acted unprofessionally, 689 00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:04,996 and, uh, months later, Patterson was back. 690 00:36:06,038 --> 00:36:09,041 In regards to the allegations made against Pat, 691 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:13,796 nothing has ever been substantiated, and I just don't believe them. 692 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,300 -Please, not me. -He's doing home movies, Patrick. 693 00:36:17,383 --> 00:36:20,011 None of it rings true. The others? 694 00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:22,513 No comment. 695 00:36:24,098 --> 00:36:26,475 [White] We all knew Pat was doing this stuff. 696 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:30,146 I didn't like Pat because he kept grabbing my pecker in the locker room. 697 00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:32,440 -[interviewer] He what? -He would grab my pecker. 698 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:34,567 Yeah. 699 00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:36,152 [interviewer] Did you guys complain? 700 00:36:36,235 --> 00:36:38,613 To who? He's the booker. 701 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:41,866 He's the number two guy in the office. To whom? 702 00:36:41,949 --> 00:36:43,910 -[interviewer] Vince. -[chuckles] 703 00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:46,204 [laughs] 704 00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:48,789 You know nothing about the wrestling business, don't ya? 705 00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:51,167 [chuckling] There's nobody to go to, son. 706 00:36:52,168 --> 00:36:56,964 You either take it, or you're going home. Who are you going to complain to? 707 00:36:58,132 --> 00:36:59,133 [interviewer] Vince. 708 00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:01,469 For what? To get fired? 709 00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:05,139 He needed Pat more than he needed me. 710 00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:09,352 [Meltzer] Pat was like the savant of professional wrestling, 711 00:37:09,435 --> 00:37:12,730 and he was Vince's right-hand man when it came to booking 712 00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:15,441 and was very, very valuable in the company. 713 00:37:17,276 --> 00:37:19,070 [interviewer] Did Vince protect Pat? 714 00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,198 [White] I wouldn't say he protected him. 715 00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:25,785 I would say... he protected the business. 716 00:37:27,411 --> 00:37:30,581 These allegations are absolutely absurd that have been raised. 717 00:37:30,665 --> 00:37:35,253 [reporter] McMahon insists it's all just a conspiracy to wreck his business. 718 00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:38,256 It seems as though they're all ganging up on us, 719 00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:39,340 all at one time. 720 00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,218 [reporter] There's no sign the charges have done any harm. 721 00:37:42,301 --> 00:37:45,930 No, wrestling, or whatever this is, has survived scandals before, 722 00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:49,141 and there is no reason to believe this one too won't be drowned out 723 00:37:49,225 --> 00:37:51,852 by all those fans who couldn't care less. 724 00:37:52,895 --> 00:37:57,358 [Mushnick] What reaction there was was meager from legitimate media. 725 00:37:57,441 --> 00:38:00,695 Those who seemed to eat it up were the scandal shows, 726 00:38:00,778 --> 00:38:04,115 like the Phil Donahue kind of show. 727 00:38:04,198 --> 00:38:07,118 [Donahue] Here you are being accused, Mr. McMahon, 728 00:38:07,201 --> 00:38:10,246 of presiding over an organization that looked the other way 729 00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:12,999 while sex harassment activity was taking place. 730 00:38:13,624 --> 00:38:16,085 I'm one of the few people who enjoys confrontation. 731 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:19,130 If there is a situation like Donahue, 732 00:38:19,213 --> 00:38:22,550 I have no problem confronting someone, especially when they're lying. 733 00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:26,137 {\an8}You did a horrible job. That's the only reason why you were fired. 734 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:29,974 Donahue was an opportunity to stand up for himself. 735 00:38:30,057 --> 00:38:32,268 I don't think it went the way he wanted it to. 736 00:38:32,351 --> 00:38:34,812 [Hodgson] Sexual harassment is running rampant... 737 00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:36,647 [Donahue] Where were you all these years? 738 00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:38,649 [Graham] His father blackballed me. 739 00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:41,610 [Hodgson] I didn't sleep with your VP. Two weeks later, I'm fired. 740 00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:43,154 I don't know that that happened. 741 00:38:43,237 --> 00:38:45,698 Whether it was a good decision or a bad decision 742 00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:47,241 at that time, at this time... 743 00:38:48,284 --> 00:38:49,118 I did it. 744 00:38:49,201 --> 00:38:53,497 [Meltzer] I was sitting right next to Vince. He was not comfortable. 745 00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:56,834 At one point, he whispers to me, "This is the longest hour of my life." 746 00:38:56,917 --> 00:38:58,252 -It's not the truth. -Okay. 747 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,796 -You lie about this to children! -You're finished. 748 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,964 I don't buy it. 749 00:39:02,048 --> 00:39:03,632 -[applause] -Got it. Well... 750 00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:05,051 [clears throat] 751 00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:09,430 [Prichard] I think that this was one point in his life 752 00:39:09,513 --> 00:39:12,350 that everything was kind of coming down at once. 753 00:39:12,433 --> 00:39:15,519 There was a bit of frustration in what he couldn't control. 754 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:18,314 Oh my gosh. There was so many scandals going on 755 00:39:18,397 --> 00:39:21,150 with who was dating who, who was sleeping with whom. 756 00:39:21,776 --> 00:39:23,444 [interviewer] Do you remember any of those? 757 00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:25,196 [sighs] Well, you know... 758 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:30,201 You know what? I'm trying to be really cautious on doing this. 759 00:39:30,284 --> 00:39:32,578 I don't know what they want out in the open or not. 760 00:39:33,996 --> 00:39:37,583 I know there was some girl that I think was a referee, girl referee, 761 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:42,004 {\an8}that had claimed that Vince had, uh, sexually assaulted her. 762 00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:46,717 {\an8}[announcer] For the first time ever, a lady referee. 763 00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,594 {\an8}[Meltzer] I remember Rita Marie the referee, 764 00:39:48,677 --> 00:39:52,932 {\an8}because there was only one female referee in wrestling at that point in time, 765 00:39:53,015 --> 00:39:54,183 and it was her. 766 00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:58,187 Vince was definitely trying to push her as the hot blonde woman ref 767 00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:00,856 as a character in his soap opera. 768 00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:02,566 [McMahon] Rita Marie, ladies and gentlemen, 769 00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:06,487 the very first ever lady referee in World Wrestling Entertainment. 770 00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:09,240 Hopefully, we'll be seeing more of her in time to come. 771 00:40:09,323 --> 00:40:11,826 When you're accused of this, accused of that, 772 00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:14,703 and there's this deluge of things, "You're this, you're that," 773 00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:18,791 one of the things was an alleged rape, uh, that never happened. 774 00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:27,550 I was forced into oral sex with Vince McMahon. 775 00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:31,303 When I couldn't complete his desires, 776 00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:33,722 he got really angry. 777 00:40:34,723 --> 00:40:36,767 Started ripping off my jeans. 778 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:42,148 Pulled me on top of him and told me, again, 779 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,776 if I wanted a half-a-million-dollar-a-year contract, 780 00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:47,361 I had to satisfy him. 781 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,239 And if I didn't satisfy him, I was blackballed. 782 00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:52,116 I was scared. 783 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,118 My wrist was all black and blue. 784 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:56,328 He just didn't stop. 785 00:40:57,246 --> 00:41:00,374 [McMahon] Once you're accused of rape, you're a rapist, 786 00:41:00,958 --> 00:41:06,380 but it was consensual, and actually, had it been a rape, um, 787 00:41:07,131 --> 00:41:09,508 the statute of limitations had run out. 788 00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:13,304 So it's all kind of crap like that that people are digging up 789 00:41:13,387 --> 00:41:15,222 and trying to find something on you. 790 00:41:16,682 --> 00:41:21,228 [Meltzer] Vince did sue her over it, and he sued Geraldo Rivera, 791 00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:25,858 but the general public, I think they just thought that it was all sleazy. 792 00:41:25,941 --> 00:41:27,693 People looked the other way. 793 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:30,362 God, I just hope somebody listens. 794 00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:33,657 They just thought it was a woman making up a story on a rich guy. 795 00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,660 Rita, what do you expect to get now? I mean, what do you want? 796 00:41:36,744 --> 00:41:38,579 Did you just wanna come on Geraldo? 797 00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:40,831 They were very, very negative on her. 798 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:45,169 [Mushnick] It just didn't resonate with a public 799 00:41:45,252 --> 00:41:48,506 that it should have resonated with. 800 00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:51,217 This was the biggest guy in cable TV. 801 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,886 Nobody wanted to look a little deeper. 802 00:41:54,762 --> 00:41:57,473 They didn't wanna look. They didn't wanna know. 803 00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:01,894 [Meltzer] Most newspapers ran away from it or wouldn't touch it 804 00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:07,608 because it's wrestling, it's beneath us, but Phil was not, um, dissuaded by Vince. 805 00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:09,109 He kept going and going. 806 00:42:10,277 --> 00:42:15,157 And I do think that the negative headlines and attention, 807 00:42:15,241 --> 00:42:18,536 that did lead to the indictment, it did lead to the trial. 808 00:42:18,619 --> 00:42:21,664 The Justice Department has indicted the most powerful man 809 00:42:21,747 --> 00:42:24,166 in professional wrestling in this country. Not a wrestler, 810 00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:27,127 but the man who runs World Wrestling Entertainment. 811 00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:30,714 The charge, illegal distribution of steroids. 812 00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:34,301 [interviewer] Do you know what triggered the federal government to look into you? 813 00:42:34,385 --> 00:42:37,846 Well, I think Phil Mushnick, uh, triggered all of this, 814 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:42,309 and whether he had any connections to the federal government, I don't know. 815 00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:45,771 But again, that's where it seemed to, uh, to begin. 816 00:42:45,854 --> 00:42:48,857 I was an FBI informant. I admit to that. You know why? 817 00:42:48,941 --> 00:42:52,861 The FBI would read what I wrote and then act on it. 818 00:42:53,904 --> 00:42:55,322 [Meltzer] When the indictments came, 819 00:42:55,406 --> 00:42:58,200 there were no indictments or anything on the ring boy story 820 00:42:58,284 --> 00:42:59,952 or Rita Chatterton. 821 00:43:00,035 --> 00:43:01,745 There were steroid indictments. 822 00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:04,373 [reporter 1] The three-count indictment charges that he conspired 823 00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:05,666 to defraud the government 824 00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:09,378 by possessing and distributing steroids through Dr. George Zaharion. 825 00:43:09,461 --> 00:43:11,088 -Morning, guys. -[reporter 2] Mr. McMahon. 826 00:43:11,171 --> 00:43:12,673 {\an8}[reporter 3] It was not a good morning 827 00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:15,426 {\an8}for World Wrestling Entertainment owner Vincent McMahon. 828 00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:17,261 On this day, he was in federal court 829 00:43:17,344 --> 00:43:18,971 entering a plea of not guilty 830 00:43:19,054 --> 00:43:22,016 to charges that he bulked up his wrestlers with steroids. 831 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:26,270 {\an8}[reporter 4] Prosecutors say McMahon, who admits being a former steroids user, 832 00:43:26,353 --> 00:43:28,230 is a corporate drug pusher. 833 00:43:28,314 --> 00:43:30,024 McMahon's lawyers, on the other hand, 834 00:43:30,107 --> 00:43:33,193 say the wrestling mogul is the victim of a government witch hunt. 835 00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:35,446 {\an8}Sometimes life isn't fair, 836 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:40,117 and, unfortunately, for me, I believe this is one of those instances. 837 00:43:40,868 --> 00:43:43,370 The federal government and the Justice Department 838 00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:45,581 can be the biggest bullies. 839 00:43:45,664 --> 00:43:48,167 They have unlimited resources. 840 00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:52,254 The average person can't afford to buck the government. They just can't. 841 00:43:52,838 --> 00:43:55,257 So that's why so many people cop a plea. 842 00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:57,718 They wanted me to cop a plea. 843 00:43:58,218 --> 00:44:01,805 [Prichard] He would have to plead guilty to some charge, 844 00:44:01,889 --> 00:44:04,808 but he would pay a fine and everything goes away. 845 00:44:05,392 --> 00:44:07,645 I wouldn't do it. I wasn't guilty of anything. 846 00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:10,022 I said, "Fuck yourself." 847 00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:14,610 [reporter 4] If convicted, McMahon could face up to 11 years in jail 848 00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:17,237 and $500,000 in fines on each count. 849 00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:20,407 Right before the trial, Vince had neck surgery, 850 00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:23,827 so he goes into the trial, and he's wearing a neck brace. 851 00:44:24,578 --> 00:44:26,872 My impression was that it was not an operation 852 00:44:26,955 --> 00:44:29,083 that he needed to do at that moment. 853 00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:32,294 [McMahon] A lot of people thought, "He's wearing this thing 854 00:44:32,378 --> 00:44:35,547 because he's trying to invoke some sort of sympathy, 855 00:44:35,631 --> 00:44:37,257 you know, from the jury." 856 00:44:37,341 --> 00:44:38,884 [chuckling] That was not the case. 857 00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:41,428 [Shoemaker] It's impossible to not think 858 00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:45,140 there was some sort of storytelling contrivance behind it. 859 00:44:45,724 --> 00:44:49,812 I mean, in pro wrestling, bad guys would wear those neck braces 860 00:44:49,895 --> 00:44:53,941 because they knew the crowd would boo them for like, being overly dramatic. 861 00:44:54,024 --> 00:44:57,444 It's not a facade. I'm... I'm not well. 862 00:44:57,528 --> 00:44:59,780 With Vince, everything is a show, 863 00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:04,159 even in the midst of this very serious trial. 864 00:45:04,243 --> 00:45:06,370 I mean, there's a lot at stake here. 865 00:45:06,912 --> 00:45:08,455 [Kay Koplovitz] It was a tense time. 866 00:45:09,665 --> 00:45:11,458 If he was proven guilty, 867 00:45:11,542 --> 00:45:15,295 that would have been a problem for us, and they would be off the air. 868 00:45:16,046 --> 00:45:18,799 [Bollea] During that time, there was a lot of turbulence 869 00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:22,094 and instead of people cheering me nonstop, 870 00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:23,971 I'd hear a couple boos here. 871 00:45:24,054 --> 00:45:27,182 Instead of, "We love Hulk Hogan" or "Hulkamania Live Forever," 872 00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:30,060 I'd see a sign up that said, "Did you take your shot today?" 873 00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:32,020 [crowd clamoring] 874 00:45:32,104 --> 00:45:36,358 [Bollea] And so I didn't feel like I was in control of the crowds anymore. 875 00:45:36,942 --> 00:45:39,403 And that's when I told Vince I needed to go. 876 00:45:39,486 --> 00:45:41,864 And it was not an easy conversation. 877 00:45:43,157 --> 00:45:45,492 [McMahon] And whether or not this is your last match, 878 00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:49,580 I'd like to say that on behalf of all of us, your Hulkamaniacs, 879 00:45:50,414 --> 00:45:54,752 thank you for the memories, and thank you for Hulkamania. 880 00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:57,087 Thank you. 881 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:04,011 I don't think people fully appreciate how dire things were looking. 882 00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,849 All the scandals were all piled on at the same time, 883 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,437 and it was a great opportunity for our competition to make a move. 884 00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:15,355 [bell ringing] 885 00:46:15,981 --> 00:46:19,985 [McMahon] At that time, Ted Turner, who owned WCW, 886 00:46:20,068 --> 00:46:21,570 he was my biggest competitor. 887 00:46:21,653 --> 00:46:23,489 I've been involved with the wrestling business 888 00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:27,284 since we started televising it back in, I think, '73. 889 00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:32,706 [Shoemaker] Ted Turner is one of the pioneers of cable television. 890 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:36,627 Obviously founded TV networks like CNN, TBS, TNT. 891 00:46:37,461 --> 00:46:39,213 And he was one of the first people 892 00:46:39,296 --> 00:46:41,965 to broadcast professional wrestling nationwide. 893 00:46:43,091 --> 00:46:45,761 [Bischoff] We were the number two wrestling promotion in the world. 894 00:46:45,844 --> 00:46:48,514 {\an8}Good morning, America, and welcome to WCW... 895 00:46:48,597 --> 00:46:51,391 {\an8}We might as well have been number 202. 896 00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:54,728 {\an8}That's the distance between WWE and WCW. 897 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:55,979 [indistinct] 898 00:46:56,563 --> 00:46:59,441 [Bischoff] The type of program and the content that WCW was producing 899 00:46:59,525 --> 00:47:02,778 {\an8}prior to me being hired as executive producer 900 00:47:02,861 --> 00:47:06,740 was just a really bad imitation 901 00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:09,910 of what WWE was successful at. 902 00:47:09,993 --> 00:47:12,788 There was no vision. There was no strategy. 903 00:47:13,372 --> 00:47:16,166 There was just throwing things up against the wall 904 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:18,293 and hoping something would work 905 00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:22,130 as long as it looked something like what WWE was doing. 906 00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:25,843 I had been following the steroid trials 907 00:47:25,926 --> 00:47:28,637 and the controversy and everything that went on as a result of that. 908 00:47:29,388 --> 00:47:32,933 I was very well aware that Hulk had left WWE 909 00:47:33,016 --> 00:47:36,019 and was going to pursue television and movies. 910 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,024 And, coincidentally, I was down at Disney-MGM Studios 911 00:47:41,108 --> 00:47:43,443 shooting my show for WCW 912 00:47:44,027 --> 00:47:47,698 {\an8}while Hulk Hogan was at Disney-MGM Studios 913 00:47:47,781 --> 00:47:50,784 shooting a show called Thunder in Paradise. 914 00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:54,329 [Bollea] Here comes Eric Bischoff wandering over to the set, 915 00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:57,875 and he said, "We really would love to have you 916 00:47:57,958 --> 00:47:59,918 consider coming back to wrestling." 917 00:48:00,002 --> 00:48:01,962 "We know you're filming the TV series." 918 00:48:02,045 --> 00:48:05,716 "Even if part-time..." I said, "Let's talk." You know? Let's talk." 919 00:48:06,383 --> 00:48:11,805 I was not happy with the acting and being locked up in a trailer most of the day. 920 00:48:11,889 --> 00:48:13,307 Just wasn't me. 921 00:48:14,141 --> 00:48:16,894 [Bischoff] Hulk was torn, because he loved wrestling, 922 00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:17,853 he missed it, 923 00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:21,356 but he also had two very, very young kids at home, 924 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:26,987 and it was really important to him to not be on the road 300 days a year, 925 00:48:27,487 --> 00:48:32,075 and WCW provided Hulk an opportunity to do both. 926 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,286 The nature of our contract was, 927 00:48:34,369 --> 00:48:37,831 you may have a total of 30 appearances a year 928 00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:39,541 as opposed to 300. 929 00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:42,044 Ted Turner was giving these guarantees. 930 00:48:42,127 --> 00:48:44,087 "We'll give you a million dollars a year." 931 00:48:44,171 --> 00:48:46,381 "How many days do you work?" "How many you want?" 932 00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:49,760 "I wanna work, uh, 100 days." "Okay. You got it." 933 00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:55,140 Where at WWE, I know when we were there, it was seven days a week, 52 weeks a year. 934 00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:58,268 I just looked at it as, "I have this amazing opportunity." 935 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:02,439 "I'm gonna put my salesman hat on and get this guy to join WCW." 936 00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:05,359 [Bollea] When I left and I had the meeting with Vince, 937 00:49:05,442 --> 00:49:06,902 and it was an emotional meeting, 938 00:49:06,985 --> 00:49:09,988 I actually told Vince, "I will never run against you." 939 00:49:10,072 --> 00:49:11,531 Because that was a concern. 940 00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:15,160 [McMahon] He said, "I'm gonna go off and do movies and things like that, 941 00:49:15,243 --> 00:49:16,536 but I do want my release." 942 00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,914 "But you're not gonna compete? You know? You aren't gonna..." 943 00:49:18,997 --> 00:49:20,540 "No. Absolutely not." 944 00:49:20,624 --> 00:49:23,418 So, um, it was one of those things where I gave him his release, 945 00:49:23,502 --> 00:49:26,630 and next thing you know, he's with the other guys. 946 00:49:26,713 --> 00:49:31,176 WCW is about to dominate the globe in professional wrestling. 947 00:49:31,259 --> 00:49:32,970 That's why we're here today, 948 00:49:33,053 --> 00:49:34,721 to sign the contract for a match 949 00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:37,224 between two of wrestling's biggest superstars, 950 00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:39,726 Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. 951 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:42,437 [McMahon] We had a very close personal relationship. 952 00:49:43,522 --> 00:49:46,441 I took him, and of course, and made this huge star out of him. 953 00:49:46,525 --> 00:49:49,861 And then from there, he decides he wants to flip to our competition 954 00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:52,364 and no longer be associated with you. 955 00:49:52,447 --> 00:49:55,742 So, sure, emotionally, it hurt. 956 00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,870 It broke my heart, you know. I mean, damn. 957 00:50:00,539 --> 00:50:06,044 [Shane] Hulk Hogan's defection to WCW, right there in the middle of the trial, 958 00:50:06,753 --> 00:50:09,131 that was an enormous slap in the face. 959 00:50:09,756 --> 00:50:11,258 Even to this day. 960 00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:14,094 That was taboo in my book. 961 00:50:14,678 --> 00:50:17,139 [Prichard] Vince viewed Hulk as a lifer, 962 00:50:17,723 --> 00:50:20,392 but Hulk was offered a better deal with Ted Turner, 963 00:50:20,475 --> 00:50:22,269 offered guaranteed money with Turner. 964 00:50:23,103 --> 00:50:25,564 "Money talks," as the expression goes, I guess. 965 00:50:26,148 --> 00:50:28,275 [Prichard] Hulk's looking at it also like, 966 00:50:28,358 --> 00:50:31,903 "Man, I don't know if Vince is gonna be there after the trial." 967 00:50:31,987 --> 00:50:35,282 "I don't know if there's even gonna be a company there to work for." 968 00:50:35,365 --> 00:50:36,950 [reporter] It's another day in court 969 00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:39,453 for World Wrestling Entertainment founder Vince McMahon. 970 00:50:39,536 --> 00:50:44,291 Vince McMahon was charged with conspiring to beef up his brawny wrestlers 971 00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:45,876 with anabolic steroids. 972 00:50:45,959 --> 00:50:48,587 This case should go on for several days, 973 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:50,589 and interest is expected to peak 974 00:50:50,672 --> 00:50:53,925 when a pro wrestler by the name of Terry Bollea testifies. 975 00:50:54,009 --> 00:50:56,261 Of course, he goes by the name of Hulk Hogan. 976 00:50:56,845 --> 00:51:00,515 Wrestling insiders say that Hogan will be the government's star witness 977 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:04,561 and testify against McMahon at his trial in May. 978 00:51:04,644 --> 00:51:06,480 [Bollea] After I left the WWE, 979 00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:09,524 the government wanted me to be their star witness. 980 00:51:09,608 --> 00:51:13,695 I was told that if I didn't say what they wanted to hear, 981 00:51:13,779 --> 00:51:16,281 the target of the investigation would be directed to me, 982 00:51:16,364 --> 00:51:17,783 and I might do 17 years. 983 00:51:18,658 --> 00:51:21,453 [Meltzer] Hogan didn't want to testify against Vince. They forced him to. 984 00:51:21,536 --> 00:51:24,915 They basically had something on Hogan and they wanted Vince, 985 00:51:24,998 --> 00:51:26,416 and so Hogan had to. 986 00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:29,461 The conviction rate in cases like that was very, very high, 987 00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:33,340 so at that point, it was like, "God, the odds look against Vince." 988 00:51:33,423 --> 00:51:36,009 I think a lot of the stuff in there is evidence 989 00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:38,720 of what I believed all along has proven to be true... 990 00:51:38,804 --> 00:51:43,558 I was there for two weeks, and I could tell that Vince was scared to death. 991 00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:46,895 Vince was in serious, serious problems at that point. 992 00:51:47,938 --> 00:51:50,190 [McMahon] I truly believe in the law of the jungle. 993 00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:54,361 Something's weakened, then you want to pile on it and kill it. 994 00:51:54,444 --> 00:51:57,697 So, at that time, it was coming from everywhere. 995 00:51:57,781 --> 00:52:01,451 How could I possibly stand up to that and hold up, you know? 996 00:52:02,077 --> 00:52:04,121 The law of the jungle. I get it. 997 00:52:05,497 --> 00:52:07,541 [Bollea] I was granted immunity, 998 00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:12,420 and I said, "Well... cool. I got it. I know what I'm gonna say." 999 00:52:12,504 --> 00:52:13,463 [intense music builds] 1000 00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,549 [music fades] 1001 00:52:35,235 --> 00:52:38,238 [closing theme music playing] 82362

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