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You said you wouldn't.
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I know what I said.
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If she's...
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if the worst is true,
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they'll contact us.
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We don't have to watch this.
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It's like giving
him what he wants.
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I'm not giving him
a goddamned thing.
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Then why are you sitting there
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like you're still deciding?
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Like you're still deciding?
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Because I'm still deciding.
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Hello?
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Yes, we know.
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No, I'm not gonna watch,
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and I'd hope you
wouldn't either.
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Look, it's not a
good time, okay?
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I'll call you later.
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...says the foundation expects
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an even bigger
turnout next year.
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Well certainly a good
time and a good cause.
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Yes, it was.
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Thanks, Edward.
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Next up is
meteorologist Bill Collins
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with a look at weather,
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and later tonight on
a special edition of NewsLine,
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an unprecedented live interview
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from inside Death Row.
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Jim Gardener, the
Lake Livingston killer,
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speaks openly for the first
time since pleading guilty
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to the murders of
five young women.
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Unlock 58.
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Let's go, they're ready.
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Move to the back.
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Hands on the wall.
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Open 614.
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Give me your right foot.
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Left foot.
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Turn around.
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Hands behind your back.
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Left hand.
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Right hand.
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Put your hand behind your back.
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He's secure.
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Inmate's secure.
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Warden?
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The Detective is here,
Detective Carnes.
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Show her in.
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So I guess this is happening.
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I swear to God.
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They said the network was taking
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every needed measure
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to make sure it
stayed under control.
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I don't know what
else I can say.
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I've told you repeatedly,
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I've told Senator Brady,
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all these producers.
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It doesn't matter
how many fail safes
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or kill switches you have
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or how long the delay is
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you're here at his demand.
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Think about what that means.
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No, we're here for the
families of those girls.
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No, we're here for the
families of those girls.
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For closure.
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That's the bottom line here.
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On his word.
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You're granting the wish
of a convicted killer
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on the hopes that
he'll keep his promise.
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It's an interview, Bishop.
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It's not a bid for privileges,
or a reduced sentence.
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It's one interview.
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And I'm only behind it
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because it's what
the families want.
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Lawrence wants it
for his reasons,
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and the network has theirs,
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and God knows
the Senator has his.
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But as far as I'm concerned,
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if we can close another dozen
cases because of this...
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if we can close another dozen
cases because of this...
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Lawrence isn't
ready for this guy.
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I keep trying to tell
him who Gardener is,
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but he can't see three
feet in front of him.
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Hey!
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How do I look?
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Good enough for prime time.
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Okay, we're good.
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I said we're good.
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Thank you.
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Feel like you're ready?
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Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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Come on, I'm gonna
freakin' own this guy.
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Well the Warden thinks
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he might give you some trouble.
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So I guess you should
be prepared for that.
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Okay.
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All right, I have some notes.
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Actually, so do I.
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Um, I was, ah, thinking
about our game plan,
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and I think that you are way
too sexy for this place.
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This bib is sexy.
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Oh yeah?
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Yeah.
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Well don't worry 'cause I'm not
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gonna wear it out there.
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You, however,
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You, however,
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you have to watch out
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where you're going...
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You think?
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Little missy, yeah,
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'cause somebody may do this...
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Or this...
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Mmm... Pierce...
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All right, come on now.
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We have an interview
in 36 minutes.
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Do we?
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Do we?
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Yeah, we do.
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Go ahead with your notes.
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You need to get your head
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in the game, okay?
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All right...
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Go ahead with your notes.
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I'm listening.
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The network doesn't
want the names of any
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suspected victims mentioned
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only the confirmed ones,
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the ones he's admitted to, okay?
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Yeah, we already went over this.
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And my guess is you paid
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as much attention then
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as much attention then
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as you are now.
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All right... yeah...
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Now sit down.
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I like it when you get fierce.
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All right, I'm ready.
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Go ahead.
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The network wants us
to continue taping
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after the interview is over
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after the interview is over
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when we're off the air.
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If Gardener holds up
his end of the deal
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and provides the locations
of the other bodies
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we'll have all that footage
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for a follow up piece.
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So, do we need to
be here for that?
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Well, I do...
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you can take off if you want.
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Detective, what's-her-name?
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Carnes.
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Yeah, Detective Carnes
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is handling all that stuff.
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I need to stick around though.
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Well if you're staying,
I'm staying.
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I mean, I'm not
gonna let you walk
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around these halls
without an escort.
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They've got the Livingston
Gardener in there.
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All right, what else?
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All right, what else?
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You know, that,
that's really it.
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Except for what we
went over this morning.
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The Warden's nervous,
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and the network doesn't
want to be embarrassed.
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Ahh...
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Look, you cannot afford
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to deviate from the outline.
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If he goes off track,
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you've got to reel him back in.
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Well, we already know that
he's gonna go off track.
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I mean, he already blames me
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for the whole thing
with his mother,
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and he's probably gonna
try to nail me on that,
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which, I may just let him.
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Let him nail you?
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Well, let him try.
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Thin ice, Pierce.
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Thin ice, Pierce.
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Pretty fucking thin.
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Yeah, but that's
great television.
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Plus the network can't blame us
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if he's the one that's going
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off the outline 'cause
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we're just gonna
have to roll with it.
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Right?
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Yeah?
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Mr. Lawrence?
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You got a minute?
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Uh, I don't know.
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You are gonna have
to ask my boss here.
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Uh, yeah, we uh,
we have some time.
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What can we do for you?
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You all know my
concerns about Gardener.
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You all know my
concerns about Gardener.
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Now, I don't want to
sound like a broken record,
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but while I have you
in the same room
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I want to reiterate
that this is my facility,
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and I will shut this
whole operation down
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if I think he's abusing
the situation.
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Well, we appreciate
the concern, Warden.
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But I can assure you
nothing he says or does
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is gonna make it over the air
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unless Leslie wants it to,
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so, uh, you can rest easy.
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Don't worry.
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We'll keep it on the rails.
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Guys, Senator's here.
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Jesus Christ.
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Jesse, can you, can
you keep him away
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until Pierce is in place,
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about ten more minutes.
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I tried already...
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Warden.
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Senator.
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Andrew Brady.
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Pierce Lawrence.
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It's a pleasure.
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Leslie Ellis.
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One of the producers.
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I know I don't have to tell
you how important this is.
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I know I don't have to tell
you how important this is.
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All those families
of missing girls...
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it's a nightmare
you can't imagine.
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But that man out there
has been fucking with us
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since day one, well
that all ends tonight.
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Senator, with all due respect.
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No, no I'm gonna say my piece.
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I don't care about this
show, or the interview,
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or any of that business
you've got going on
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between you and Gardener.
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All I care about is seeing
that this is done right.
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All I care about is seeing
that this is done right.
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Now, when is he gonna
give you the names?
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Right afterwards?
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If he keeps to his word.
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But I don't believe names
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are part of the deal,
just locations.
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As hard as it is,
it could be a while
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before any of them
are identified.
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Well how long?
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You're gonna have to talk
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to Detective Carnes
about all that.
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Is she here?
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She's here.
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She's in the conference room.
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A lot of good families
are gonna have
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their hopes stamped out tonight.
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But the fact is not knowing and
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the need to know
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is a terrible thing
to live with.
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Pierce...
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We gotta get you mic'd up buddy.
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Tommy's in the
monitor room for you.
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Well, Senator, I understand
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your concern for your daughter
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and we all know how
much is riding on this.
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We're gonna try our best
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to get the information
that we need.
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Whatever it is you
need to do, do it.
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Whatever it is you
need to do, do it.
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Do whatever it takes.
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Yes sir.
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Okay, excuse me.
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It's starting.
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Turn it up.
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♪
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Good evening and
welcome to NewsLine.
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I'm Aiden Reynolds.
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Tonight we go inside
the walls of Death Row,
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at the Remsberg Unit - the
Texas correctional facility
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at the Remsberg Unit - the
Texas correctional facility
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that is now home
to Jim Gardener,
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the man responsible
for the murders
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of at least five young women
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and suspected in the
disappearances
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of over a dozen more,
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including the daughter of
Texas senator Andrew Brady.
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Here's Pierce
Lawrence with more.
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The investigation
began four years ago,
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when the decomposed
body of Rose Holland
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was discovered in
this secluded patch
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of woods right near the
Lake Livingston reservoir.
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In the following years, the
bodies of four more women,
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In the following years, the
bodies of four more women,
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from ages seventeen
to twenty-four,
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would be discovered in
areas around Lake Livingston,
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with three times as many
reported to be missing
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in nearby counties.
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What was once considered an
idyllic and serene community
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had now become a nightmarish
landscape for fear and dread.
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I don't think anyone in the
area left their home
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without thinking
'he's out there'.
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Um, a lot of parents
were keeping
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their daughters
home from school.
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Like a morning mist,
the gloom of death
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fell over Lake Livingston
and lingered.
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Fell over Lake Livingston
and lingered.
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00:14:15,487 --> 00:14:18,324
It would take investigators
over three years
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to zero in on a suspect.
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00:14:19,892 --> 00:14:22,730
And all indicators seemed to
point towards a single man.
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Well I remember the police
coming into the store
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00:14:24,933 --> 00:14:27,902
on several occasions
to talk to Mr. Gardener
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00:14:27,936 --> 00:14:30,640
but I never suspected it
was about those missing girls.
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Three of the missing girls
had disappeared
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00:14:32,943 --> 00:14:34,845
near Allendale Community College
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in the city of Livingston.
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00:14:36,547 --> 00:14:38,816
Now Gardener had
taken classes there,
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and he remained a strong
presence on campus
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even after he stopped
matriculating.
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Eventually he began
to offer study sessions.
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00:14:44,681 --> 00:14:45,925
Eventually he began
to offer study sessions
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to students in
philosophy classes.
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00:14:48,929 --> 00:14:50,765
He called it a study club.
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People knew him
from around campus,
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00:14:52,701 --> 00:14:54,903
and we would go to his place
because he always
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had beer and maybe
some other stuff.
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What other stuff?
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Ah, you know, sometimes
weed, or maybe ecstasy.
321
00:15:04,716 --> 00:15:06,685
But he rarely used anything.
322
00:15:06,718 --> 00:15:08,821
He only wanted to get people
over there so he could talk
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00:15:08,854 --> 00:15:10,891
about 'Neechee' and
'Keekergard' and 'Sartra'.
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00:15:10,924 --> 00:15:13,594
Gardener held the
study sessions here,
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00:15:13,627 --> 00:15:14,680
in his home outside the town
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00:15:14,681 --> 00:15:15,296
in his home outside the town
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00:15:15,329 --> 00:15:18,000
of Shepherd, Texas,
south of Lake Livingston.
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00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:21,237
Participants described
Gardener as outspoken
329
00:15:21,270 --> 00:15:22,872
and charismatic, but
with a dark personality.
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You could only listen to so
much about death and nihilism
331
00:15:26,476 --> 00:15:29,580
and how everything's
lost its meaning.
332
00:15:29,614 --> 00:15:31,550
And when he started
talking about creating
333
00:15:31,583 --> 00:15:34,954
his own religion, it just
got way too weird,
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00:15:34,987 --> 00:15:37,490
and people... they
stopped coming.
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00:15:37,524 --> 00:15:39,560
In less than two years
after he stopped
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00:15:39,593 --> 00:15:41,763
holding the study
sessions in his home,
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00:15:41,796 --> 00:15:44,680
Rose Holland disappeared
from Lake Livingston State Park.
338
00:15:44,681 --> 00:15:45,601
Rose Holland disappeared
from Lake Livingston State Park.
339
00:15:45,635 --> 00:15:47,938
Her case would be the first
of several that the police
340
00:15:47,971 --> 00:15:50,006
would ultimately
attribute to Gardener.
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00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,910
And when the body of
Brandi Evans was found
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00:15:52,944 --> 00:15:56,014
in the Trinity River just
south of Lake Livingston,
343
00:15:56,048 --> 00:15:59,352
a local newspaper outed Gardener
as a suspect in the case,
344
00:15:59,385 --> 00:16:02,756
igniting a media frenzy
that gained national exposure.
345
00:16:02,789 --> 00:16:05,826
Now I had the chance to
interview Abbie Gardener
346
00:16:05,860 --> 00:16:09,298
off the record, and even though
our conversation was private,
347
00:16:09,331 --> 00:16:11,333
officials believe it
may have played
348
00:16:11,367 --> 00:16:13,871
a significant role in
the events that followed.
349
00:16:13,904 --> 00:16:14,680
Just three weeks after I
interviewed his mother,
350
00:16:14,681 --> 00:16:16,774
Just three weeks after I
interviewed his mother,
351
00:16:16,807 --> 00:16:19,811
Jim Gardener had
turned himself in.
352
00:16:19,844 --> 00:16:22,314
He confessed to the
murders of Rose Holland,
353
00:16:22,347 --> 00:16:24,884
Brandi Evans, and Evelyn Zabat,
354
00:16:24,918 --> 00:16:26,887
but was only willing to
point the investigators
355
00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,625
twenty-year-old Liza Sears,
356
00:16:30,658 --> 00:16:33,729
despite the fact that
the police suspected him
357
00:16:33,762 --> 00:16:35,631
in over a dozen disappearances.
358
00:16:35,664 --> 00:16:38,435
In fact, Gardener was so
determined to keep the other
359
00:16:38,468 --> 00:16:41,471
alleged victims to himself
that after pleading guilty,
360
00:16:41,506 --> 00:16:43,774
he willingly accepted
the death penalty,
361
00:16:43,808 --> 00:16:44,680
rather than cooperate
with investigators.
362
00:16:44,681 --> 00:16:46,978
Rather than cooperate
with investigators.
363
00:16:47,013 --> 00:16:50,650
His silence left a chilling pall
over the remaining open cases,
364
00:16:50,683 --> 00:16:53,454
until a personal tragedy
struck Gardener
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00:16:53,487 --> 00:16:55,724
a little too close to home.
366
00:16:55,757 --> 00:16:58,493
Earlier this year, three months
after he was incarcerated,
367
00:16:58,527 --> 00:17:02,465
Gardener's mother,
Abigail, committed suicide.
368
00:17:02,498 --> 00:17:05,536
Officials believe her death
may have prompted Gardener
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00:17:05,569 --> 00:17:08,540
to instigate a deal in
the weeks that followed.
370
00:17:08,573 --> 00:17:11,477
A NewsLine interview
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00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:13,746
broadcast live, in exchange
372
00:17:13,779 --> 00:17:14,680
for the locations of
the remaining victims.
373
00:17:14,681 --> 00:17:15,682
For the locations of
the remaining victims.
374
00:17:15,715 --> 00:17:19,587
Authorities initially denied the
request for a live interview,
375
00:17:19,620 --> 00:17:21,656
until the situation
came to the attention
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00:17:21,689 --> 00:17:23,725
of Texas Senator Andrew Brady,
377
00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,663
whose daughter Chrissie is
counted among the missing
378
00:17:26,696 --> 00:17:30,067
who are believed to have fallen
victim to Jim Gardener.
379
00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:32,971
Senator Brady was instrumental
in convincing authorities
380
00:17:33,004 --> 00:17:34,939
that if the network was
to move forward,
381
00:17:34,973 --> 00:17:37,577
prison officials held an
obligation to provide closure
382
00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:40,413
to the dozens of families
for whom the fates
383
00:17:40,446 --> 00:17:43,851
of their daughters
remain uncertain.
384
00:17:43,885 --> 00:17:44,680
When asked why suddenly he
wanted to speak publicly,
385
00:17:44,681 --> 00:17:46,654
When asked why suddenly he
wanted to speak publicly,
386
00:17:46,688 --> 00:17:48,556
Gardener simply replied,
387
00:17:48,591 --> 00:17:51,494
"I want to set the
record straight."
388
00:17:51,527 --> 00:17:54,131
Tonight, he'll have
that opportunity.
389
00:17:54,164 --> 00:17:55,833
The interview with Jim Gardener,
390
00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:58,904
the Lake Livingston Killer,
right after this.
391
00:18:00,205 --> 00:18:01,207
Thanks.
392
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,608
All right places, people.
393
00:18:02,641 --> 00:18:03,876
Two minutes. You ready?
394
00:18:03,910 --> 00:18:05,077
What do you think?
395
00:18:05,111 --> 00:18:06,079
All right, it's time.
396
00:18:06,113 --> 00:18:08,215
Let's do this. Come on.
397
00:18:08,248 --> 00:18:09,583
How you feeling?
398
00:18:09,617 --> 00:18:11,152
Good.
399
00:18:11,185 --> 00:18:12,821
Pretty loose.
400
00:18:12,854 --> 00:18:14,456
Limber.
401
00:18:14,489 --> 00:18:14,681
I'd wish you luck
402
00:18:14,682 --> 00:18:15,725
I'd wish you luck
403
00:18:15,758 --> 00:18:17,227
but I know how you
feel about that.
404
00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:19,463
I'm not gonna need it.
405
00:18:19,496 --> 00:18:21,632
Well, go do your thing.
406
00:18:21,665 --> 00:18:22,667
All right.
407
00:18:26,639 --> 00:18:27,740
All right, Pierce is out.
408
00:18:29,175 --> 00:18:30,143
Jim.
409
00:18:30,176 --> 00:18:31,144
How are you feeling?
410
00:18:31,177 --> 00:18:32,479
We're up in ninety seconds.
411
00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:34,482
Cameras ready.
412
00:18:34,515 --> 00:18:36,551
All right he's in place.
413
00:18:36,584 --> 00:18:37,819
Tired of waiting.
414
00:18:37,853 --> 00:18:39,521
Well the wait's over.
415
00:18:39,555 --> 00:18:41,724
Another minute or
so and, uh, it's on.
416
00:18:41,758 --> 00:18:43,693
Thirty seconds.
417
00:18:43,726 --> 00:18:44,680
On your marks,
let's get ready people.
418
00:18:44,681 --> 00:18:45,729
On your marks,
let's get ready people.
419
00:18:45,763 --> 00:18:47,498
Len, how we looking?
420
00:18:47,531 --> 00:18:50,101
Good?
421
00:18:50,134 --> 00:18:51,703
How's my teeth?
422
00:18:51,737 --> 00:18:53,806
Yeah?
423
00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:57,578
All right...
424
00:18:57,611 --> 00:18:59,580
Check, check, one, two.
425
00:19:03,619 --> 00:19:04,587
All right, here we go.
426
00:19:11,662 --> 00:19:14,680
♪
427
00:19:14,681 --> 00:19:15,181
♪
428
00:19:23,043 --> 00:19:26,214
Welcome back,
I'm Aiden Reynolds.
429
00:19:26,247 --> 00:19:29,018
The prison unit where
Jim Gardener awaits his fate
430
00:19:29,051 --> 00:19:30,720
is located less than a mile
431
00:19:30,753 --> 00:19:32,956
from the shores
of Lake Livingston.
432
00:19:32,989 --> 00:19:35,058
Some may call it ironic justice
433
00:19:35,091 --> 00:19:36,928
that this is, in fact,
the place where
434
00:19:36,961 --> 00:19:38,663
he's scheduled to be executed
435
00:19:38,696 --> 00:19:41,133
in the very epicenter
of his hunting grounds.
436
00:19:41,166 --> 00:19:43,736
Tonight we tread those grounds
437
00:19:43,769 --> 00:19:44,680
in search of answers
inside Death Row.
438
00:19:44,681 --> 00:19:47,207
In search of answers
inside Death Row.
439
00:19:47,241 --> 00:19:50,345
Inside the mind of a killer.
440
00:19:50,378 --> 00:19:52,147
As a warning, the
following interview
441
00:19:52,180 --> 00:19:54,250
may not be suitable
to some audiences,
442
00:19:54,283 --> 00:19:55,818
and due to the nature
of the broadcast,
443
00:19:55,852 --> 00:19:57,887
there may be
brief interruptions.
444
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,023
We now take you live
to Pierce Lawrence
445
00:20:00,057 --> 00:20:01,859
at the George K. Remsberg Unit
446
00:20:01,892 --> 00:20:03,361
of the Texas State
Prison System.
447
00:20:03,394 --> 00:20:06,899
Good evening, I'm
Pierce Lawrence.
448
00:20:06,932 --> 00:20:08,801
Across from me
sits Jim Gardener,
449
00:20:08,834 --> 00:20:11,337
the self-admitted murderer
who took the lives
450
00:20:11,371 --> 00:20:13,274
of at least five young women,
451
00:20:13,307 --> 00:20:14,680
and likely many more,
452
00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:15,076
and likely many more,
453
00:20:15,109 --> 00:20:16,778
striking terror into the heart
454
00:20:16,811 --> 00:20:18,091
of the Lake
Livingston community.
455
00:20:18,113 --> 00:20:20,616
Tonight we have the
opportunity to discuss
456
00:20:20,649 --> 00:20:22,719
the obsession that
drove him to kill,
457
00:20:22,752 --> 00:20:24,121
as well as the reasoning
458
00:20:24,154 --> 00:20:25,656
behind his reign of terror.
459
00:20:25,690 --> 00:20:27,958
Jim, thanks for being here.
460
00:20:27,992 --> 00:20:32,231
I think the question on
everyone's mind is, why?
461
00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:34,767
Why did you do
the things you did?
462
00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,304
Why did you choose
the victims you chose?
463
00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:40,374
And ultimately,
why did you kill?
464
00:20:40,408 --> 00:20:43,045
Well it's not something I
can just throw out there
465
00:20:43,078 --> 00:20:44,680
and expect people to understand.
466
00:20:44,681 --> 00:20:45,781
And expect people to understand.
467
00:20:45,815 --> 00:20:49,085
And, why is that?
468
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,723
It's not that easy.
469
00:20:51,756 --> 00:20:53,090
It's out of context.
470
00:20:55,093 --> 00:20:56,729
It's like trying to explain
471
00:20:56,762 --> 00:20:57,996
why Lincoln freed the slaves
472
00:20:58,031 --> 00:21:00,834
without putting it
into perspective.
473
00:21:00,867 --> 00:21:04,304
One might say, 'Well, Lincoln
was such a great man,
474
00:21:04,339 --> 00:21:08,777
he did this kindness to
these millions of people.'
475
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:11,848
But historians know different.
476
00:21:11,881 --> 00:21:14,680
It's, it's more
complex than that.
477
00:21:14,681 --> 00:21:16,955
It's, it's more
complex than that.
478
00:21:16,988 --> 00:21:20,225
I think the same
could apply to me.
479
00:21:20,259 --> 00:21:21,694
One might say, 'What a horrible,
480
00:21:21,727 --> 00:21:25,966
evil man he is, he
killed these women.'
481
00:21:25,999 --> 00:21:28,169
But those who truly know
me know different.
482
00:21:30,204 --> 00:21:32,040
Well, we should make
483
00:21:32,074 --> 00:21:33,308
as one of our goals tonight
484
00:21:33,341 --> 00:21:35,411
to come to that understanding.
485
00:21:35,444 --> 00:21:37,814
But you do bring up
a fascinating point,
486
00:21:37,847 --> 00:21:39,449
so I'd like to ask.
487
00:21:39,483 --> 00:21:42,287
Who are these people
that truly know you?
488
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,855
Well there aren't many,
489
00:21:43,889 --> 00:21:44,680
I can tell you that.
490
00:21:44,681 --> 00:21:45,123
I can tell you that.
491
00:21:45,156 --> 00:21:46,825
Are there more than one?
492
00:21:46,858 --> 00:21:48,861
There's at least
one, maybe more.
493
00:21:48,895 --> 00:21:50,797
And who would that one be?
494
00:21:50,830 --> 00:21:52,500
Does it matter?
495
00:21:52,533 --> 00:21:54,903
Sure, if we're working towards
496
00:21:54,936 --> 00:21:56,336
an understanding,
I think it might--
497
00:21:56,337 --> 00:21:57,772
No, no, no.
498
00:21:57,806 --> 00:21:58,841
Form a better
understanding of you.
499
00:21:58,874 --> 00:22:00,075
It's irrelevant.
500
00:22:00,109 --> 00:22:01,945
It's irrelevant.
501
00:22:01,978 --> 00:22:03,980
Would it be your mother?
502
00:22:04,014 --> 00:22:06,417
My mother died, but
you already knew that.
503
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:07,752
Yes, but that's not to say
504
00:22:07,785 --> 00:22:09,855
that she doesn't
influence you now.
505
00:22:09,888 --> 00:22:13,059
Or influence who
you have become.
506
00:22:13,092 --> 00:22:14,680
Is that what you want
to talk about tonight?
507
00:22:14,681 --> 00:22:16,401
Is that what you want
to talk about tonight?
508
00:22:16,463 --> 00:22:19,800
My mother, my childhood?
509
00:22:19,834 --> 00:22:21,402
Well if our goal is
to understand you
510
00:22:21,436 --> 00:22:23,038
then, yes, I think that's
511
00:22:23,071 --> 00:22:26,042
as good a place as any to start.
512
00:22:26,075 --> 00:22:27,444
Now would you say that you had
513
00:22:27,477 --> 00:22:29,780
a very rough childhood?
514
00:22:29,813 --> 00:22:32,350
I'd say I had a very
normal childhood.
515
00:22:32,383 --> 00:22:34,953
Not unlike yours
or anyone else's.
516
00:22:34,986 --> 00:22:36,155
So for you, growing up
517
00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:39,826
without a father is normal?
518
00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:42,563
Statistically speaking it is.
519
00:22:42,596 --> 00:22:44,680
Interesting.
520
00:22:44,681 --> 00:22:45,299
Interesting.
521
00:22:45,332 --> 00:22:48,303
Detective, can I have a
word with you outside?
522
00:22:54,378 --> 00:22:56,080
What's up?
523
00:22:56,614 --> 00:22:59,517
This was given to one of
my officers by an inmate.
524
00:22:59,550 --> 00:23:01,019
It's addressed to you.
525
00:23:01,052 --> 00:23:02,922
It's from Gardener.
526
00:23:02,955 --> 00:23:04,457
You might want to...
527
00:23:08,128 --> 00:23:10,098
Hey, listen, it looks like
we're getting started
528
00:23:10,131 --> 00:23:11,900
sooner than we expected.
529
00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,302
Gardener's sent
some coordinates here.
530
00:23:13,335 --> 00:23:14,680
It looks like
longitude and latitude,
531
00:23:14,681 --> 00:23:14,904
It looks like
longitude and latitude,
532
00:23:14,937 --> 00:23:16,973
maybe GPS.
533
00:23:17,007 --> 00:23:18,975
I need you to get on this.
534
00:23:19,009 --> 00:23:21,478
Okay, yeah, I'll text
you the coordinates.
535
00:23:25,483 --> 00:23:27,420
I was gonna say you might want
536
00:23:27,453 --> 00:23:29,255
to tell your guys to be careful.
537
00:23:29,288 --> 00:23:31,858
Maybe this is exactly
what it looks like,
538
00:23:31,891 --> 00:23:34,094
but Gardener's been known
to pull some shit in here.
539
00:23:34,128 --> 00:23:35,563
Like what?
540
00:23:35,596 --> 00:23:37,432
He's just extremely
manipulative.
541
00:23:37,466 --> 00:23:41,337
He likes playing mind games.
542
00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:43,173
Yeah, I got that.
543
00:23:43,206 --> 00:23:44,575
What aren't you telling me?
544
00:23:46,009 --> 00:23:49,147
Couple of weeks back,
we tossed his cell
545
00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:53,118
just a routine search,
nothing out of the ordinary.
546
00:23:53,152 --> 00:23:56,590
Except we found a plastic
sack with empty trash in it
547
00:23:56,623 --> 00:23:58,525
empty potato chip bags,
548
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:01,229
candy wrappers, stuff like that.
549
00:24:01,263 --> 00:24:03,365
We also found a receipt.
550
00:24:03,398 --> 00:24:04,900
Stuff that was bought
at a convenience store
551
00:24:04,933 --> 00:24:08,171
about a mile from here,
just outside of Livingston.
552
00:24:08,204 --> 00:24:09,606
And this is unusual?
553
00:24:09,639 --> 00:24:11,241
Well, yeah.
554
00:24:11,275 --> 00:24:13,278
We don't let anything
like that in solitary.
555
00:24:13,311 --> 00:24:14,580
The only way it got in there
556
00:24:14,613 --> 00:24:14,681
is if a correctional
officer gave it to him.
557
00:24:14,682 --> 00:24:17,283
Is if a correctional
officer gave it to him.
558
00:24:17,316 --> 00:24:19,619
'Course the guards
aren't copping to anything,
559
00:24:19,652 --> 00:24:21,521
and by Gardener's version,
he bought it himself--
560
00:24:21,554 --> 00:24:22,523
Which is--
561
00:24:22,556 --> 00:24:23,491
Bullshit, yeah.
562
00:24:23,524 --> 00:24:26,360
But we looked at the
time stamp on the receipt
563
00:24:26,395 --> 00:24:28,463
against the surveillance
cameras at the store,
564
00:24:28,497 --> 00:24:30,633
to see who bought it.
565
00:24:30,666 --> 00:24:31,667
And...
566
00:24:31,701 --> 00:24:33,169
Oh, come on...
567
00:24:33,203 --> 00:24:35,539
Well, the guy had on a cap
568
00:24:35,572 --> 00:24:36,607
and his head was down,
569
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,610
so we can't be exactly sure.
570
00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:40,345
We're pretty certain
that he's got
571
00:24:40,378 --> 00:24:41,980
somebody on the outside,
572
00:24:42,014 --> 00:24:43,950
somebody working on his behalf.
573
00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:44,680
And you think it may be a guard?
574
00:24:44,681 --> 00:24:45,485
And you think it may be a guard?
575
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:47,054
No, no, the thing
with the guard,
576
00:24:47,087 --> 00:24:48,055
that's something
completely different
577
00:24:48,088 --> 00:24:49,223
that's a payoff.
578
00:24:49,256 --> 00:24:51,359
That happens all the time.
579
00:24:51,392 --> 00:24:53,962
This thing on the outside
was something else.
580
00:24:53,995 --> 00:24:56,298
The most disturbing part is
581
00:24:56,332 --> 00:24:59,002
the guy on that video
had on the clothes
582
00:24:59,036 --> 00:25:03,074
that Gardener had when
he turned himself in.
583
00:25:03,107 --> 00:25:04,676
Similar clothes or the clothes?
584
00:25:04,709 --> 00:25:08,381
We store the inmates'
personal effects
585
00:25:08,414 --> 00:25:12,219
on site once they're
incarcerated.
586
00:25:12,253 --> 00:25:13,554
And once we started
looking into this,
587
00:25:13,587 --> 00:25:14,680
Gardener's stuff was missing.
588
00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:15,022
Gardener's stuff was missing.
589
00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:16,291
Jesus Christ.
590
00:25:16,324 --> 00:25:18,527
It could be the clothes.
591
00:25:18,561 --> 00:25:20,296
We're not sure.
592
00:25:20,329 --> 00:25:21,998
We're still looking.
593
00:25:22,031 --> 00:25:23,099
But I thought you should know
594
00:25:23,132 --> 00:25:24,501
so you could warn your guys.
595
00:25:24,534 --> 00:25:26,604
This may not be
what you expect it is.
596
00:25:26,637 --> 00:25:28,139
Well no shit.
597
00:25:28,173 --> 00:25:29,775
I want you to gather up
every single officer
598
00:25:29,808 --> 00:25:31,110
you think might be
involved in this
599
00:25:31,143 --> 00:25:32,411
and I want to talk to them.
600
00:25:32,444 --> 00:25:33,680
I already did that.
601
00:25:33,713 --> 00:25:35,115
Fact is that Gardener has money
602
00:25:35,148 --> 00:25:36,416
and if you grease
a palm here and there,
603
00:25:36,449 --> 00:25:37,551
you get favors.
604
00:25:37,585 --> 00:25:38,752
Well then you've got
a personnel problem
605
00:25:38,786 --> 00:25:39,753
that needs to be dealt with
606
00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,122
pretty fucking quick.
607
00:25:41,155 --> 00:25:42,491
As in two goddamn weeks ago.
608
00:25:42,524 --> 00:25:43,625
Look, if I fired every officer
609
00:25:43,658 --> 00:25:44,680
who took twenty
bucks for a favor,
610
00:25:44,681 --> 00:25:45,027
who took twenty
bucks for a favor,
611
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:46,629
I'd have no one left
to watch the inmates.
612
00:25:46,662 --> 00:25:47,698
Just sounds like
a little bit more
613
00:25:47,731 --> 00:25:48,799
than a favor to me.
614
00:25:48,832 --> 00:25:50,601
And I'm not
treating it like one.
615
00:25:50,634 --> 00:25:52,537
We swapped out every
officer on his rotation
616
00:25:52,570 --> 00:25:53,505
and we threatened the others.
617
00:25:53,538 --> 00:25:55,674
Other than that I don't
know what else to do.
618
00:25:55,708 --> 00:25:57,075
The fact is, if an
inmate has money
619
00:25:57,109 --> 00:25:59,212
coming in, he gets things done.
620
00:25:59,245 --> 00:26:00,279
Well where's the
money coming from?
621
00:26:00,314 --> 00:26:01,314
Have you looked into that?
622
00:26:01,315 --> 00:26:02,516
Someone sent it to him.
623
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:03,718
Who? I don't know.
624
00:26:03,751 --> 00:26:05,086
It's coming in as a money order.
625
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,454
Well, why don't
you start there, huh?
626
00:26:06,487 --> 00:26:07,456
Get the bank involved.
627
00:26:07,489 --> 00:26:08,390
Trace it.
628
00:26:08,424 --> 00:26:09,625
Are they all coming
from the same bank?
629
00:26:09,658 --> 00:26:10,693
Are they being
purchased locally?
630
00:26:10,727 --> 00:26:11,694
These are questions
631
00:26:11,728 --> 00:26:13,196
that should've been
asked in the beginning.
632
00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:14,680
Unfortunately, that's beyond.
633
00:26:14,681 --> 00:26:14,798
Unfortunately, that's beyond
634
00:26:14,832 --> 00:26:17,101
the scope of our investigation.
635
00:26:17,135 --> 00:26:18,670
It's not against the
law for an inmate
636
00:26:18,703 --> 00:26:20,272
to receive money on his account.
637
00:26:20,305 --> 00:26:21,741
Well given what's going on here
638
00:26:21,774 --> 00:26:23,134
you might want to
have told me this
639
00:26:23,142 --> 00:26:25,211
a little bit earlier, you think?
640
00:26:29,684 --> 00:26:30,718
...and, I guess at that point
641
00:26:30,752 --> 00:26:31,853
she felt like she had
642
00:26:31,887 --> 00:26:33,656
fulfilled her obligation to me.
643
00:26:33,689 --> 00:26:35,458
I never got the impression that,
644
00:26:35,491 --> 00:26:37,393
uh, she really thought of me
645
00:26:37,427 --> 00:26:39,763
as anything more than
a passing curiosity.
646
00:26:41,699 --> 00:26:44,670
I don't think mothering
was part of her essence.
647
00:26:47,373 --> 00:26:49,208
So were you surprised to hear
648
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:51,544
that she had committed suicide?
649
00:26:51,578 --> 00:26:55,784
I was, but not in the
way you might think.
650
00:26:55,817 --> 00:26:58,788
In what way then?
651
00:26:58,821 --> 00:27:00,289
I think it was the
most authentic thing
652
00:27:00,323 --> 00:27:02,558
she'd done in her entire life.
653
00:27:02,592 --> 00:27:05,462
I think she wanted to do it
for years but kept on living
654
00:27:05,496 --> 00:27:09,701
because others expected her to.
655
00:27:09,734 --> 00:27:14,680
And the media...
you in particular,
656
00:27:14,681 --> 00:27:14,908
And the media...
you in particular,
657
00:27:14,941 --> 00:27:18,145
you like to try and spin it like
658
00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:19,580
she couldn't cope
with the fact that
659
00:27:19,614 --> 00:27:20,849
her son was such
a horrible monster
660
00:27:20,882 --> 00:27:22,250
that she couldn't accept
661
00:27:22,283 --> 00:27:24,887
the evil of her offspring...
662
00:27:24,921 --> 00:27:26,188
We need to break.
663
00:27:26,222 --> 00:27:27,190
Cut it off.
664
00:27:27,224 --> 00:27:28,558
...however you phrased it.
665
00:27:28,591 --> 00:27:33,532
So why do you think she did it?
666
00:27:33,565 --> 00:27:36,501
I think she realized
what most people don't
667
00:27:36,535 --> 00:27:39,806
that her life was never her own.
668
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,742
Her life was never her own?
669
00:27:41,775 --> 00:27:44,680
And who's was it?
670
00:27:44,681 --> 00:27:45,361
And who's was it?
671
00:27:47,515 --> 00:27:50,286
The world is suffering
from an epidemic
672
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:54,258
of spiritual ignorance, Mr.
Lawrence.
673
00:27:54,291 --> 00:27:57,728
I'm not talking about religion.
674
00:27:57,762 --> 00:27:59,397
I'm talking about the
blindness of the average
675
00:27:59,430 --> 00:28:01,968
American to the concept
of Essential Design,
676
00:28:02,001 --> 00:28:05,873
to the essence of
who they really are.
677
00:28:05,906 --> 00:28:09,210
See people, they wake up,
678
00:28:09,243 --> 00:28:11,980
they groom themselves
to the standards of society,
679
00:28:12,013 --> 00:28:13,682
they report to whatever job
680
00:28:13,716 --> 00:28:14,680
the establishment
has fixed to them,
681
00:28:14,681 --> 00:28:16,386
the establishment
has fixed to them,
682
00:28:16,419 --> 00:28:18,455
and then they come
home after work,
683
00:28:18,489 --> 00:28:20,624
sink into their couches,
684
00:28:20,657 --> 00:28:22,694
and offer up their consciousness
685
00:28:22,727 --> 00:28:24,327
to the clockwork agenda
for the remainder
686
00:28:24,329 --> 00:28:26,632
of their waking hours.
687
00:28:26,665 --> 00:28:28,267
Rinse.
688
00:28:28,301 --> 00:28:31,405
Repeat.
689
00:28:31,438 --> 00:28:34,375
Right into spiritual oblivion.
690
00:28:34,409 --> 00:28:36,011
And that's not the way
691
00:28:36,044 --> 00:28:38,414
it's supposed to be, is it?
692
00:28:38,447 --> 00:28:40,282
Well, there you have it.
693
00:28:40,316 --> 00:28:41,818
The spiritual
state of the nation
694
00:28:41,851 --> 00:28:43,754
through the eyes of a killer.
695
00:28:43,787 --> 00:28:44,680
We'll be back with Jim Gardener,
696
00:28:44,681 --> 00:28:45,556
We'll be back with Jim Gardener,
697
00:28:45,589 --> 00:28:48,893
the Lake Livingston
Terror, right after this.
698
00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:51,363
We're clear.
699
00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:53,299
Can you come back here?
700
00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:54,567
All right.
701
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,039
That was a good start, guys.
702
00:28:58,072 --> 00:28:59,907
Okay, they are asking for me,
703
00:28:59,941 --> 00:29:01,609
so it's gonna be
about four minutes
704
00:29:01,643 --> 00:29:03,612
and we'll just pick up
where we left off.
705
00:29:03,646 --> 00:29:04,680
Mr. Lawrence?
706
00:29:04,713 --> 00:29:06,449
Yeah?
707
00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:07,717
Could you bring me back a pen
708
00:29:07,751 --> 00:29:09,719
and piece of paper, please?
709
00:29:09,754 --> 00:29:11,656
Uh, I don't think they're
gonna allow that.
710
00:29:11,689 --> 00:29:13,058
Nothing is supposed
to pass between us.
711
00:29:13,091 --> 00:29:14,680
Oh you don't, you don't
have to give it to me.
712
00:29:14,681 --> 00:29:16,996
Oh you don't, you don't
have to give it to me.
713
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:20,333
In fact it's better if you,
you write it yourself.
714
00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:23,036
We need to get
started on that list.
715
00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:24,372
The list?
716
00:29:24,405 --> 00:29:25,774
What list?
717
00:29:25,807 --> 00:29:27,809
The list.
718
00:29:29,845 --> 00:29:32,716
Yeah, let me see what I can do.
719
00:29:46,934 --> 00:29:49,337
You holding up okay?
720
00:29:50,538 --> 00:29:52,123
Hey, dad?
721
00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:52,508
Hey, dad?
722
00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:54,576
Yeah, it was on the agenda
that Monday morning
723
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:55,912
but gone by Wednesday.
724
00:29:55,945 --> 00:29:58,081
Yeah, absolutely, that's
what I told them last week.
725
00:29:58,115 --> 00:29:59,116
Dad?
726
00:29:59,149 --> 00:30:01,953
Absolutely.
727
00:30:01,986 --> 00:30:03,955
Absolutely.
728
00:30:03,988 --> 00:30:05,390
Dad?
729
00:30:05,424 --> 00:30:07,393
Could you hang on
a second, please?
730
00:30:07,427 --> 00:30:08,461
Thank you.
731
00:30:08,494 --> 00:30:09,662
What?
732
00:30:09,695 --> 00:30:12,599
Can I stay with
Heather tomorrow night?
733
00:30:12,633 --> 00:30:13,701
I don't know. Ask your mother.
734
00:30:13,735 --> 00:30:14,969
I did.
735
00:30:15,002 --> 00:30:16,037
She said to ask you.
736
00:30:16,071 --> 00:30:17,039
I'm busy right now.
737
00:30:17,072 --> 00:30:18,507
Can't you see that?
738
00:30:18,541 --> 00:30:19,608
Just try me back later.
739
00:30:19,642 --> 00:30:20,643
Come on, Dad.
740
00:30:20,676 --> 00:30:22,123
I have to know by tonight.
741
00:30:22,124 --> 00:30:22,379
I have to know by tonight.
742
00:30:22,412 --> 00:30:23,981
You know what, if it's
okay with your mother,
743
00:30:24,014 --> 00:30:25,382
I don't care.
744
00:30:25,415 --> 00:30:26,384
All right?
745
00:30:26,417 --> 00:30:28,720
Okay, thanks.
746
00:30:30,822 --> 00:30:33,860
Yeah, yep, exactly.
747
00:30:33,893 --> 00:30:36,429
No, I didn't... I
couldn't believe it.
748
00:30:40,969 --> 00:30:42,737
Senator?
749
00:30:42,771 --> 00:30:44,439
What?
750
00:30:44,474 --> 00:30:48,845
I asked if you were
holding up okay.
751
00:30:48,879 --> 00:30:52,123
I don't know.
752
00:30:52,124 --> 00:30:52,984
I don't know.
753
00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:55,087
Ask me in an hour.
754
00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,859
I know how rough it must be.
755
00:31:04,532 --> 00:31:06,802
I don't think you do.
756
00:31:11,808 --> 00:31:14,411
She would've been 17 in March.
757
00:31:16,881 --> 00:31:18,983
She was the youngest of all-
758
00:31:19,017 --> 00:31:21,854
all the missing girls.
759
00:31:21,887 --> 00:31:22,124
I'm sorry.
760
00:31:22,125 --> 00:31:23,689
I'm sorry.
761
00:31:23,723 --> 00:31:26,560
I really am.
762
00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:33,769
My daughter and I, we... uh...
763
00:31:36,973 --> 00:31:40,811
I should've been more
involved in her life.
764
00:31:40,845 --> 00:31:46,652
I was making mistakes I
didn't know I was making.
765
00:31:46,685 --> 00:31:49,856
Selfish mistakes, you know...
766
00:31:49,889 --> 00:31:52,123
with both her and Julie.
767
00:31:52,124 --> 00:31:52,893
With both her and Julie.
768
00:31:52,926 --> 00:31:54,796
My time...
769
00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:56,998
my career...
770
00:31:57,031 --> 00:32:00,035
my priorities...
771
00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:07,679
Now I'll never have a
chance to fix them.
772
00:32:07,712 --> 00:32:10,716
You don't know that yet.
773
00:32:13,753 --> 00:32:16,556
She was always too trusting.
774
00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:18,993
You know?
775
00:32:19,026 --> 00:32:22,123
Ah... too easily influenced.
776
00:32:22,124 --> 00:32:22,798
Ah... too easily influenced.
777
00:32:22,831 --> 00:32:23,933
She was really quick
778
00:32:23,966 --> 00:32:25,134
to go along with her friends
779
00:32:25,167 --> 00:32:29,873
no matter what they wanted.
780
00:32:29,907 --> 00:32:37,216
And the last time I saw her,
781
00:32:37,249 --> 00:32:38,218
she was trying to ask me if she
782
00:32:38,251 --> 00:32:44,759
could spend the night
at her friend's house.
783
00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:47,195
And I just brushed
her off, you know,
784
00:32:47,229 --> 00:32:51,901
to get her out of my business.
785
00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:59,878
You know, if I'd
taken just a second,
786
00:32:59,911 --> 00:33:01,713
you know, to think about it...
787
00:33:01,747 --> 00:33:02,915
Sorry, sorry
788
00:33:02,949 --> 00:33:04,851
I figured you'd
want to see this.
789
00:33:04,884 --> 00:33:07,220
It came from the inside,
just like the other one.
790
00:33:07,254 --> 00:33:08,889
It's for him, for Gardener.
791
00:33:10,625 --> 00:33:11,926
Did you tell Bobby
to send it through?
792
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,929
He said it was clear.
793
00:33:13,963 --> 00:33:15,298
What is it?
794
00:33:15,331 --> 00:33:16,299
He didn't say
795
00:33:16,332 --> 00:33:17,300
just said he scanned it
796
00:33:17,333 --> 00:33:18,301
and it was cleared.
797
00:33:18,334 --> 00:33:20,637
Want me to ask?
798
00:33:20,671 --> 00:33:22,123
No. Nevermind.
799
00:33:22,124 --> 00:33:22,139
No. Nevermind.
800
00:33:22,173 --> 00:33:23,241
Thank you.
801
00:33:23,275 --> 00:33:24,977
Okay.
802
00:33:28,347 --> 00:33:31,385
Are you gonna open it?
803
00:33:31,418 --> 00:33:34,889
You know what?
804
00:33:34,922 --> 00:33:37,192
No.
805
00:33:37,225 --> 00:33:39,628
I'm gonna give it to Carnes.
806
00:33:39,661 --> 00:33:42,900
This is her problem.
807
00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:45,035
I don't want to even know.
808
00:33:53,346 --> 00:33:55,716
Yeah, I'll let him know.
809
00:33:55,749 --> 00:33:59,787
Yeah okay!... Okay!
810
00:33:59,821 --> 00:34:01,790
Yeah, I'll tell him.
811
00:34:01,824 --> 00:34:03,258
Tell me what?
812
00:34:05,161 --> 00:34:06,863
He wants you to skip
ahead to the murders.
813
00:34:06,896 --> 00:34:07,697
What?!
814
00:34:07,731 --> 00:34:08,865
Says you're
putting him to sleep.
815
00:34:08,899 --> 00:34:09,899
Set up's taking too long.
816
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,036
And his suggestion is what?
817
00:34:12,070 --> 00:34:13,830
He wants me to skip the
whole second segment?
818
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:14,906
That's the idea.
819
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:16,175
Well forget it!
820
00:34:16,208 --> 00:34:18,210
We're not gonna
have a payoff then.
821
00:34:18,244 --> 00:34:19,379
How am I supposed
to shoot him down
822
00:34:19,412 --> 00:34:20,981
if we don't set him up
in the first place?
823
00:34:21,014 --> 00:34:22,123
Look, all I'm saying.
824
00:34:22,124 --> 00:34:23,083
Look, all I'm saying
825
00:34:23,117 --> 00:34:24,152
is what Bryce says,
okay, skip it!
826
00:34:24,185 --> 00:34:25,265
Well then Bryce should have
827
00:34:25,286 --> 00:34:26,721
been here to argue his side.
828
00:34:26,755 --> 00:34:27,822
If that guys thinks he can
829
00:34:27,857 --> 00:34:29,224
control the show
from the studio,
830
00:34:29,258 --> 00:34:30,025
then he better realize
831
00:34:30,059 --> 00:34:32,195
his juice doesn't
shoot this far.
832
00:34:32,228 --> 00:34:33,464
Pierce, do not do this again.
833
00:34:33,497 --> 00:34:34,999
Do what?
834
00:34:35,032 --> 00:34:36,033
Look, he signed off
835
00:34:36,067 --> 00:34:36,834
on the outline, right?
836
00:34:36,868 --> 00:34:37,769
He should've said
something then,
837
00:34:37,802 --> 00:34:40,238
not in the middle of
the fucking broadcast.
838
00:34:40,272 --> 00:34:41,774
And he's not even here!
839
00:34:41,807 --> 00:34:42,808
No, I'm here!
840
00:34:42,842 --> 00:34:44,177
So whatever I say
841
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:46,180
is the god damned
way it's gonna be!
842
00:34:46,213 --> 00:34:47,915
Forty-five seconds.
843
00:34:47,948 --> 00:34:48,949
Okay, so what are you saying?
844
00:34:48,983 --> 00:34:50,151
You want me to
change the game plan
845
00:34:50,185 --> 00:34:51,787
so he can get
a free ride at the end?
846
00:34:51,820 --> 00:34:52,124
No I am not saying that.
847
00:34:52,125 --> 00:34:52,821
No I am not saying that.
848
00:34:52,854 --> 00:34:56,158
Look, I trust you okay,
but Bryce has a point.
849
00:34:56,192 --> 00:34:57,961
It's moving too slowly.
850
00:34:57,995 --> 00:34:59,830
Keep the setup but cut it
down to half the segment.
851
00:34:59,863 --> 00:35:01,165
Can you do that?
852
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:03,167
For me?
853
00:35:03,201 --> 00:35:04,436
Can you just once not
think about yourself
854
00:35:04,469 --> 00:35:05,504
and think about
the bigger picture
855
00:35:05,537 --> 00:35:09,409
and everybody else involved?
856
00:35:09,442 --> 00:35:10,911
All right.
857
00:35:10,944 --> 00:35:13,014
For you I can do that.
858
00:35:13,047 --> 00:35:14,516
Bryce can go shit
in his own hat.
859
00:35:14,549 --> 00:35:15,517
Thank you.
860
00:35:15,550 --> 00:35:17,452
Twenty-five seconds. Let's go.
861
00:35:17,485 --> 00:35:19,322
Fucking Bryce!
862
00:35:19,355 --> 00:35:21,424
Look... just...
Pierce, just relax.
863
00:35:21,457 --> 00:35:22,123
Breathe.
864
00:35:22,124 --> 00:35:24,361
Breathe.
865
00:35:24,394 --> 00:35:26,431
Look, I trust you.
866
00:35:26,464 --> 00:35:28,233
You're sexy when you're angry.
867
00:35:28,266 --> 00:35:29,267
Oh, give me my notes?
868
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:30,269
Your notes?
869
00:35:30,302 --> 00:35:31,537
Why do you need your notes?
870
00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:32,338
You never need your notes?
871
00:35:32,371 --> 00:35:33,906
It's okay, it's for
him, not for me.
872
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:34,907
For him?
873
00:35:34,942 --> 00:35:36,143
Fifteen seconds.
874
00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:37,244
Please and thank you, let's go!
875
00:35:37,277 --> 00:35:39,881
All right, all right, all right.
876
00:35:39,914 --> 00:35:41,283
Geez!
877
00:35:50,027 --> 00:35:52,123
In 5... 4... 3...
878
00:35:52,124 --> 00:35:54,767
In 5... 4... 3...
879
00:35:58,271 --> 00:36:01,375
Tell us about the study
groups that you hosted.
880
00:36:01,408 --> 00:36:03,911
How did they get started,
and, what was the purpose?
881
00:36:03,944 --> 00:36:05,446
It wasn't a study group.
882
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,016
The intention was never
to study for classes
883
00:36:08,049 --> 00:36:10,587
or go over assigned materials.
884
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,356
Okay then, what
was the intention?
885
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:16,260
It was a forum for the
exploration of ideas.
886
00:36:16,294 --> 00:36:17,829
Tell me more about that.
887
00:36:17,862 --> 00:36:19,531
What kind of ideas
were you exploring?
888
00:36:19,564 --> 00:36:22,123
Just very basic fundamental
concepts of human existence.
889
00:36:22,124 --> 00:36:24,838
Just very basic fundamental
concepts of human existence.
890
00:36:24,871 --> 00:36:27,141
What defines a person's essence.
891
00:36:27,174 --> 00:36:31,213
What it means to be alive.
892
00:36:31,246 --> 00:36:33,315
You find that funny?
893
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:35,051
Ah, no, but...
894
00:36:35,084 --> 00:36:36,452
so you're saying
that you invited
895
00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:38,388
these young women into your home
896
00:36:38,422 --> 00:36:40,891
to help them define
the meaning of life,
897
00:36:40,925 --> 00:36:42,994
and then you took
it away from them.
898
00:36:43,028 --> 00:36:45,063
I don't mean to
point out the irony,
899
00:36:45,096 --> 00:36:45,965
but you are on death row because
900
00:36:45,998 --> 00:36:48,401
you're a taker of
lives, are you not?
901
00:36:48,435 --> 00:36:51,972
Taker of lives.
902
00:36:52,005 --> 00:36:52,124
Do you even hear
your own rhetoric?
903
00:36:52,125 --> 00:36:54,575
Do you even hear
your own rhetoric?
904
00:36:54,608 --> 00:36:57,346
That's not who I am at all.
905
00:36:57,379 --> 00:36:58,480
That's the perception of me
906
00:36:58,513 --> 00:37:00,483
that you all perpetuate,
907
00:37:00,516 --> 00:37:02,385
because you make assumptions.
908
00:37:02,418 --> 00:37:05,056
But murder was
never a motive for me.
909
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:06,924
Those girls died
because they were
910
00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:08,226
either unwilling to accept
911
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:09,261
or unable to understand
912
00:37:09,294 --> 00:37:11,364
the truth of their
Essential Design.
913
00:37:11,397 --> 00:37:15,068
Essential Design - you've
mentioned that a few times.
914
00:37:15,101 --> 00:37:18,172
Is that some sort of
a... a spiritual concept?
915
00:37:18,205 --> 00:37:20,475
That's exactly what it is.
916
00:37:20,508 --> 00:37:22,123
So you believe in God?
917
00:37:22,124 --> 00:37:22,478
So you believe in God?
918
00:37:22,511 --> 00:37:24,213
In a manner of speaking.
919
00:37:24,246 --> 00:37:26,916
Now what type of faith
920
00:37:26,949 --> 00:37:28,018
or denomination would you claim?
921
00:37:28,051 --> 00:37:30,120
Denomination.
922
00:37:30,153 --> 00:37:31,122
Do you really believe that God
923
00:37:31,155 --> 00:37:32,523
is something that can be
924
00:37:32,557 --> 00:37:35,660
commonly denominated?
925
00:37:35,695 --> 00:37:37,196
So are you saying
that you believe
926
00:37:37,229 --> 00:37:38,564
in a god, but just not
927
00:37:38,598 --> 00:37:41,935
the Judeo-Christian
concept, is that it?
928
00:37:41,968 --> 00:37:42,736
Do you know that there are
929
00:37:42,769 --> 00:37:46,141
500 billion galaxies
in the universe?
930
00:37:46,174 --> 00:37:49,212
500 billion.
931
00:37:49,245 --> 00:37:50,479
And there are 400 billion
932
00:37:50,513 --> 00:37:52,123
solar systems in every galaxy.
933
00:37:52,124 --> 00:37:53,350
Solar systems in every galaxy.
934
00:37:53,383 --> 00:37:56,186
We are nothing.
935
00:37:56,221 --> 00:37:57,989
If you want to know what God is,
936
00:37:58,023 --> 00:37:59,591
God is happenstance.
937
00:37:59,625 --> 00:38:01,560
It's the luck of the draw.
938
00:38:01,593 --> 00:38:03,363
See I used to think I got
939
00:38:03,396 --> 00:38:04,664
the short end of the stick
940
00:38:04,697 --> 00:38:06,433
until one day I realized,
941
00:38:06,466 --> 00:38:08,136
life is only what you
942
00:38:08,169 --> 00:38:10,238
perceive it to be
and nothing more.
943
00:38:10,271 --> 00:38:11,506
Same goes for God.
944
00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:12,674
Don't let him talk to
you in abstractions.
945
00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:14,477
Pull him back down.
946
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:15,745
So sounds like God to you is
947
00:38:15,778 --> 00:38:16,747
something much more symbolic.
948
00:38:16,780 --> 00:38:17,748
No.
949
00:38:17,781 --> 00:38:19,550
Is that correct?
950
00:38:19,583 --> 00:38:21,486
No, no, no, no.
951
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:22,123
God, if anything,
is a reflection.
952
00:38:22,124 --> 00:38:24,022
God, if anything,
is a reflection
953
00:38:24,056 --> 00:38:25,758
of one's true self.
954
00:38:25,791 --> 00:38:27,526
Of one's essence.
955
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,328
Constructed from the fabric
956
00:38:29,363 --> 00:38:31,766
of one's own spirit.
957
00:38:31,799 --> 00:38:36,572
That is Essential Design.
958
00:38:36,605 --> 00:38:40,209
See, if you live a
disingenuous life,
959
00:38:40,242 --> 00:38:42,412
you turn your
back on the design.
960
00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:44,682
If you close your eyes to it,
961
00:38:44,715 --> 00:38:46,050
you'll never know what it means
962
00:38:46,084 --> 00:38:47,519
to be authentic.
963
00:38:47,552 --> 00:38:49,588
The Design is the almighty.
964
00:38:49,621 --> 00:38:52,123
Without it, we are truly lost.
965
00:38:52,124 --> 00:38:55,228
Without it, we are truly lost.
966
00:38:55,261 --> 00:38:56,630
You're a prime example of this,
967
00:38:56,663 --> 00:38:59,133
Mr. Lawrence.
968
00:38:59,166 --> 00:39:00,134
Really?
969
00:39:00,168 --> 00:39:01,636
Yeah.
970
00:39:01,669 --> 00:39:04,340
Don't worry, though.
971
00:39:04,373 --> 00:39:05,775
I'll make you into the man
972
00:39:05,809 --> 00:39:07,711
you never knew you could be.
973
00:39:07,744 --> 00:39:10,147
One who walks among the people,
974
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:13,284
not over them.
975
00:39:13,318 --> 00:39:17,256
And how do you exactly
intend to do that?
976
00:39:20,127 --> 00:39:22,123
Are you familiar with Nietzsche?
977
00:39:22,124 --> 00:39:23,797
Are you familiar with Nietzsche?
978
00:39:23,832 --> 00:39:25,333
'If you gaze into the abyss'--
979
00:39:25,366 --> 00:39:29,104
Sure, 'the abyss
gazes back into you'.
980
00:39:29,138 --> 00:39:30,373
Well Jim, I hope
you're not saying
981
00:39:30,406 --> 00:39:31,574
that if I stare at
you long enough
982
00:39:31,607 --> 00:39:32,776
I'm gonna come around
983
00:39:32,809 --> 00:39:33,677
to see your point of view.
984
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:38,250
No, Mr. Lawrence, I
am not the abyss.
985
00:39:38,283 --> 00:39:39,785
In terms of human
experience there is
986
00:39:39,818 --> 00:39:42,155
and always has been
only one abyss.
987
00:39:42,188 --> 00:39:43,757
It lives inside each of us.
988
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:44,790
It's a kernel of knowledge
989
00:39:44,791 --> 00:39:47,662
nagging at our mortal souls.
990
00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,197
Most people ignore
it, but those who
991
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:52,123
are truly cognizant embrace it.
992
00:39:52,124 --> 00:39:52,868
Are truly cognizant embrace it.
993
00:39:52,901 --> 00:39:55,237
Sounds like you're
talking about death.
994
00:39:55,271 --> 00:39:59,109
Death is the catalyst
of all understanding.
995
00:39:59,142 --> 00:40:00,278
It shines a light on everything
996
00:40:00,311 --> 00:40:02,547
that stands before it.
997
00:40:02,581 --> 00:40:03,715
When you stare at death,
998
00:40:03,748 --> 00:40:06,185
death stares at you.
999
00:40:06,218 --> 00:40:09,322
And then you find out
who you really are.
1000
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,197
So is that why you
turned yourself in?
1001
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:17,600
Pled guilty and refused
your right to appeal?
1002
00:40:17,633 --> 00:40:19,168
Because you wanted to stare
1003
00:40:19,202 --> 00:40:22,123
directly into the abyss?
1004
00:40:22,124 --> 00:40:23,773
Directly into the abyss?
1005
00:40:23,808 --> 00:40:25,676
Well, that could
be a part of it.
1006
00:40:25,710 --> 00:40:28,179
It could be a big part.
1007
00:40:28,213 --> 00:40:29,448
You know Kierkegaard said
1008
00:40:29,481 --> 00:40:30,716
that life can only be
understood backward
1009
00:40:30,749 --> 00:40:33,420
even though we
have to live it forward.
1010
00:40:33,453 --> 00:40:34,587
I think my life is like that
1011
00:40:34,621 --> 00:40:37,258
everything I'm doing here.
1012
00:40:37,291 --> 00:40:39,260
Once my Essential Design
has been realized,
1013
00:40:39,293 --> 00:40:41,463
then will come revelation.
1014
00:40:41,496 --> 00:40:44,534
Wouldn't you agree?
1015
00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:48,872
That life can only be
understood backward?
1016
00:40:48,905 --> 00:40:50,842
Well, in terms of hindsight...
1017
00:40:50,875 --> 00:40:52,123
Well, hindsight, sure.
1018
00:40:52,124 --> 00:40:53,211
Well, hindsight, sure.
1019
00:40:53,245 --> 00:40:55,781
But we're also talking
about the abyss.
1020
00:40:55,814 --> 00:40:57,183
The closer you
stand to the edge,
1021
00:40:57,216 --> 00:40:59,252
the clearer it all becomes.
1022
00:40:59,285 --> 00:41:01,355
The clearer what becomes?
1023
00:41:01,388 --> 00:41:03,924
The truth of Essential Design.
1024
00:41:03,958 --> 00:41:06,762
The meaning of everything.
1025
00:41:06,795 --> 00:41:10,366
Which is what?
1026
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,235
Okay.
1027
00:41:12,269 --> 00:41:14,372
I'll give it to you.
1028
00:41:14,405 --> 00:41:16,374
You ready?
1029
00:41:16,407 --> 00:41:17,609
I'm as ready as ever.
1030
00:41:17,642 --> 00:41:20,379
Yes.
1031
00:41:20,412 --> 00:41:21,547
The meaning of life
1032
00:41:21,581 --> 00:41:22,123
is understanding and accepting
1033
00:41:22,124 --> 00:41:22,782
is understanding and accepting
1034
00:41:22,815 --> 00:41:24,417
that there is no meaning to life
1035
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:26,587
and acting accordingly.
1036
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:29,557
Recognize that it's
random, pointless,
1037
00:41:29,591 --> 00:41:31,727
and absurd, and live a life
1038
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,497
that is true to
your own essence.
1039
00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:38,435
To the spirit of who you are.
1040
00:41:38,468 --> 00:41:39,937
And let that become a conduit
1041
00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:41,706
to higher consciousness.
1042
00:41:41,739 --> 00:41:42,290
He is one hundred percent crazy.
1043
00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:44,776
He is one hundred percent crazy.
1044
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:48,448
That just now clicking for you?
1045
00:41:48,481 --> 00:41:50,317
All right, enough,
time to move on.
1046
00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:51,752
Push him around some.
1047
00:41:51,785 --> 00:41:53,354
But that's just your philosophy.
1048
00:41:53,387 --> 00:41:54,455
No, no.
1049
00:41:54,488 --> 00:41:56,959
That is a universal truth.
1050
00:41:56,992 --> 00:41:58,661
And the burden rests on me
1051
00:41:58,694 --> 00:42:00,763
to open the eyes of the world.
1052
00:42:00,796 --> 00:42:01,865
I had hoped these women
1053
00:42:01,898 --> 00:42:03,834
could help me do that
1054
00:42:03,867 --> 00:42:05,502
but people are so anesthetized
1055
00:42:05,536 --> 00:42:06,736
by the banality of our culture
1056
00:42:06,738 --> 00:42:07,939
that it's damn near impossible
1057
00:42:07,972 --> 00:42:09,441
to wake them up.
1058
00:42:09,474 --> 00:42:10,509
That's why most of the willfully
1059
00:42:10,543 --> 00:42:11,744
ignorant people of the world
1060
00:42:11,777 --> 00:42:12,290
can't comprehend
the scope of my thinking.
1061
00:42:12,291 --> 00:42:15,849
Can't comprehend
the scope of my thinking.
1062
00:42:15,882 --> 00:42:17,351
Well, I think just because
1063
00:42:17,384 --> 00:42:19,287
people disagree with
your thinking, Jim,
1064
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,388
doesn't mean that
1065
00:42:20,421 --> 00:42:22,023
they can't comprehend you.
1066
00:42:22,057 --> 00:42:23,492
I mean I personally believe
1067
00:42:23,525 --> 00:42:25,562
that you can't just
justify your actions
1068
00:42:25,595 --> 00:42:28,566
by citing arguments of
dead philosophers.
1069
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:29,767
But I comprehend exactly
1070
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,736
what you did to
those young women.
1071
00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:33,472
I just found it unacceptable.
1072
00:42:33,505 --> 00:42:36,742
Well, unacceptable
from your point of view.
1073
00:42:36,776 --> 00:42:39,379
That's exactly what
I'm talking about.
1074
00:42:39,412 --> 00:42:41,047
You have to step outside
your frame of reference
1075
00:42:41,081 --> 00:42:42,290
to get where I'm coming from.
1076
00:42:42,291 --> 00:42:44,051
To get where I'm coming from.
1077
00:42:44,085 --> 00:42:46,054
Well I feel like
I'm doing that but,
1078
00:42:46,088 --> 00:42:48,624
uh, sorry if you don't think so.
1079
00:42:48,657 --> 00:42:50,827
I'm just trying to speak
from the basic viewpoint
1080
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:53,363
of humanity, of what's
considered healthy
1081
00:42:53,397 --> 00:42:56,901
and normal in our society.
1082
00:42:56,935 --> 00:42:59,405
I know you don't
want to hear this,
1083
00:42:59,438 --> 00:43:02,509
and, the people
don't want to hear it.
1084
00:43:02,542 --> 00:43:06,379
But whatever I am, it is normal.
1085
00:43:06,414 --> 00:43:09,684
I act on my natural desires.
1086
00:43:09,718 --> 00:43:12,290
See if I were to fight that,
if I were to not act.
1087
00:43:12,291 --> 00:43:13,388
See if I were to fight
that, if I were to not act
1088
00:43:13,422 --> 00:43:16,693
because of society's
rules, then I would be
1089
00:43:16,727 --> 00:43:21,499
acting abnormally and
against my nature.
1090
00:43:21,533 --> 00:43:23,668
See that's the
problem with society
1091
00:43:23,701 --> 00:43:27,774
and really civilization
in general.
1092
00:43:27,807 --> 00:43:30,844
You can't objectify
human experience.
1093
00:43:30,878 --> 00:43:33,047
You can't force
uniformity onto desire,
1094
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,615
and you certainly can't impose
1095
00:43:34,649 --> 00:43:35,984
a single set of
values and beliefs
1096
00:43:36,017 --> 00:43:37,553
across a diverse slate
1097
00:43:37,586 --> 00:43:40,823
of subjective consciousness.
1098
00:43:40,857 --> 00:43:42,290
That's why there's
so much lawlessness.
1099
00:43:42,291 --> 00:43:44,495
That's why there's
so much lawlessness.
1100
00:43:44,528 --> 00:43:46,665
Because, morality,
1101
00:43:46,698 --> 00:43:51,437
just like everything
else, is arbitrary.
1102
00:43:51,471 --> 00:43:53,774
It's meaningless.
1103
00:43:53,807 --> 00:43:56,978
It's born of a herd instinct.
1104
00:43:57,011 --> 00:44:00,115
I mean, who are you to say
1105
00:44:00,148 --> 00:44:03,486
that I can't take a life
1106
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:06,523
for what I believe in
when this country does it
1107
00:44:06,556 --> 00:44:09,193
every day on a radical scale.
1108
00:44:09,226 --> 00:44:11,930
For reasons far more arbitrary
1109
00:44:11,963 --> 00:44:12,291
and less significant
than my own.
1110
00:44:12,292 --> 00:44:15,968
And less significant
than my own.
1111
00:44:16,002 --> 00:44:18,438
And for what?
1112
00:44:18,471 --> 00:44:20,040
For the greater good?
1113
00:44:20,073 --> 00:44:25,847
For some utilitarian sense
of positive sum happiness?
1114
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,918
Maybe.
1115
00:44:28,951 --> 00:44:32,022
But who's to say
the lives I take
1116
00:44:32,055 --> 00:44:36,728
aren't for the greater good?
1117
00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:40,566
You know, when the
world looks back on me
1118
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:42,290
in thirty or forty years,
1119
00:44:42,291 --> 00:44:43,737
in thirty or forty years,
1120
00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:46,941
I think I'll be
judged less harshly.
1121
00:44:46,974 --> 00:44:48,208
So you believe that the world
1122
00:44:48,243 --> 00:44:51,880
is gonna remember
you in forty years?
1123
00:44:51,913 --> 00:44:56,653
I think you'd be surprised.
1124
00:44:56,686 --> 00:44:59,557
You think what
I've done is wrong?
1125
00:44:59,590 --> 00:45:02,026
You're programed
to think that way.
1126
00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:03,862
Every belief you claim
has been served to you
1127
00:45:03,895 --> 00:45:05,998
by the hand of the
establishment.
1128
00:45:06,031 --> 00:45:10,671
The fact is, a new era
of thought is dawning.
1129
00:45:10,704 --> 00:45:12,290
And you're all afraid.
1130
00:45:12,291 --> 00:45:13,240
And you're all afraid.
1131
00:45:13,274 --> 00:45:15,710
You're afraid to
let go of anything,
1132
00:45:15,743 --> 00:45:17,946
and you're really afraid
of individuals who exist
1133
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:21,518
independent of
the social machine.
1134
00:45:21,551 --> 00:45:23,087
But then again, the weak
1135
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,291
have always been
afraid of the strong.
1136
00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:30,596
So you band together
and you form rules,
1137
00:45:30,629 --> 00:45:33,766
to prohibit the strong
from taking your food,
1138
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,671
your property... your lives.
1139
00:45:37,705 --> 00:45:40,842
But you cannot
take away my essence.
1140
00:45:40,875 --> 00:45:42,290
Or my innate right
to fulfill its design.
1141
00:45:42,291 --> 00:45:44,246
Or my innate right
to fulfill its design.
1142
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,652
And if that involves
taking a girl's life,
1143
00:45:48,685 --> 00:45:50,655
and I have that ability,
1144
00:45:50,688 --> 00:45:51,656
well, then, by God...
1145
00:45:51,689 --> 00:45:54,259
Warden, you need to hear this.
1146
00:45:54,292 --> 00:45:56,896
I have that innate right.
1147
00:46:00,834 --> 00:46:03,571
And what about her innate right?
1148
00:46:03,604 --> 00:46:06,141
What about her
right to live her life?
1149
00:46:06,174 --> 00:46:09,178
Well, she has that right too.
1150
00:46:09,211 --> 00:46:11,581
Just as the gazelle has
the right to graze the plain
1151
00:46:11,614 --> 00:46:12,290
without being
devoured by the lion
1152
00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:13,016
without being
devoured by the lion
1153
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:14,918
who sees her innocent life
1154
00:46:14,952 --> 00:46:18,923
as essential to his survival.
1155
00:46:18,957 --> 00:46:21,694
So, can you explain to me, Jim,
1156
00:46:21,727 --> 00:46:24,264
how were your victims
ever essential
1157
00:46:24,297 --> 00:46:26,200
to your own survival?
1158
00:46:28,102 --> 00:46:32,307
I thought you'd been listening.
1159
00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:36,746
They fit a calling
in my belief system.
1160
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:38,115
Okay, so I just want
1161
00:46:38,148 --> 00:46:39,617
to make sure I'm
hearing you right.
1162
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:40,685
You're saying that it's okay
1163
00:46:40,718 --> 00:46:42,290
to abduct and murder women
1164
00:46:42,291 --> 00:46:44,256
to abduct and murder women
1165
00:46:44,290 --> 00:46:45,291
if that's important
1166
00:46:45,324 --> 00:46:47,126
to your personal value system?
1167
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,898
Yes.
1168
00:46:50,931 --> 00:46:52,333
Have you ever considered
the possibility
1169
00:46:52,366 --> 00:46:54,368
that you might be
wrong about all this?
1170
00:46:54,402 --> 00:46:56,805
I'm not wrong.
1171
00:46:56,838 --> 00:46:59,108
I'm not wrong.
1172
00:46:59,141 --> 00:47:02,779
And I plan to illustrate
these facts to the world.
1173
00:47:02,813 --> 00:47:05,817
As Nietzsche said, 'It's not
enough to prove something,
1174
00:47:05,850 --> 00:47:09,622
but you have to seduce the
people into believing it'.
1175
00:47:12,158 --> 00:47:12,291
Are you trying to seduce
me into believing it?
1176
00:47:12,292 --> 00:47:15,795
Are you trying to seduce
me into believing it?
1177
00:47:15,830 --> 00:47:16,931
How about if I show you
1178
00:47:16,964 --> 00:47:20,301
what it means to
die for something?
1179
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,841
We'll be back with Jim Gardener,
1180
00:47:24,874 --> 00:47:26,877
right after this.
1181
00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:30,814
We're clear.
1182
00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:32,417
That was great.
1183
00:47:32,451 --> 00:47:33,418
Wow, nice touch
1184
00:47:33,452 --> 00:47:35,320
there at the end, Jim.
1185
00:47:35,354 --> 00:47:36,956
I was getting shivers.
1186
00:47:36,989 --> 00:47:38,691
Okay, guys, two more segments
1187
00:47:38,725 --> 00:47:40,361
just like that and,
1188
00:47:40,394 --> 00:47:42,290
uh, we'll tie a
bow on this thing.
1189
00:47:42,291 --> 00:47:43,998
Uh, we'll tie a
bow on this thing.
1190
00:47:44,031 --> 00:47:45,901
We need to get started on
that list, Mr. Lawrence.
1191
00:47:45,934 --> 00:47:47,736
Oh yeah, I brought you
some pen and paper
1192
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:49,272
if you want to jot
down some names.
1193
00:47:49,305 --> 00:47:51,174
Otherwise it's between
you and the police.
1194
00:47:51,207 --> 00:47:52,909
No.
1195
00:47:52,943 --> 00:47:54,111
It's between you and me.
1196
00:47:54,144 --> 00:47:55,746
Actually it's not.
1197
00:47:55,780 --> 00:47:58,750
No, actually, it is.
1198
00:47:58,784 --> 00:48:00,953
Sit.
1199
00:48:00,987 --> 00:48:03,089
Number the paper for me.
1200
00:48:03,122 --> 00:48:05,125
Yeah I'll get right on that.
1201
00:48:12,434 --> 00:48:14,036
Hey, how high
1202
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:16,206
should I make that list?
1203
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,207
How many can you name?
1204
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:19,210
How many can I name?
1205
00:48:19,243 --> 00:48:21,479
What, known victims,
or suspected victims?
1206
00:48:21,513 --> 00:48:23,849
Oh, missing girls. How many?
1207
00:48:23,882 --> 00:48:26,119
Well I don't know, it's
uh, I'm sure it's several.
1208
00:48:26,152 --> 00:48:27,453
Well you better get
to it, I'm guessing
1209
00:48:27,486 --> 00:48:30,858
you have about
three minutes left.
1210
00:48:30,891 --> 00:48:32,793
'Til what, the break's over?
1211
00:48:32,827 --> 00:48:33,827
Look I already told you--
1212
00:48:33,828 --> 00:48:36,365
No, I'm telling you
1213
00:48:36,398 --> 00:48:37,799
as of right now
you're going to be
1214
00:48:37,833 --> 00:48:40,403
answering my questions
and doing what I say.
1215
00:48:40,437 --> 00:48:42,290
And you're gonna start
by making that list.
1216
00:48:42,291 --> 00:48:43,874
And you're gonna start
by making that list.
1217
00:48:43,907 --> 00:48:45,109
Any names you don't know
1218
00:48:45,143 --> 00:48:46,244
or can't remember
1219
00:48:46,277 --> 00:48:48,347
before the break
is over, they die.
1220
00:48:48,380 --> 00:48:49,849
What are you talking about?
1221
00:48:49,882 --> 00:48:51,216
I'm talking about the fact
1222
00:48:51,250 --> 00:48:55,155
that those girls
are still alive.
1223
00:48:55,188 --> 00:48:57,859
Bullshit.
1224
00:48:57,892 --> 00:48:59,327
Look at me.
1225
00:49:02,164 --> 00:49:03,799
Yeah, nice try.
1226
00:49:03,832 --> 00:49:06,069
But you're gonna have
to do better than that.
1227
00:49:07,604 --> 00:49:09,006
Okay.
1228
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:10,007
Get him up.
1229
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,276
This interview is over.
1230
00:49:11,309 --> 00:49:12,290
Hey, what is this?
1231
00:49:12,291 --> 00:49:12,377
Hey, what is this?
1232
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:13,411
What's going on?
1233
00:49:13,445 --> 00:49:14,880
They found one of
the girls alive.
1234
00:49:14,913 --> 00:49:16,215
What? Hey, sir, hold
on for a second.
1235
00:49:16,248 --> 00:49:17,484
There's no discussion,
we're shutting this down.
1236
00:49:17,517 --> 00:49:20,487
Don't let the others
die, Mr. Lawrence.
1237
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,055
What do you mean?
1238
00:49:22,089 --> 00:49:23,324
Others are alive?
1239
00:49:23,357 --> 00:49:24,559
Well that's what he's
claiming but we don't--
1240
00:49:24,593 --> 00:49:25,560
This is a police matter now.
1241
00:49:25,594 --> 00:49:26,561
Your show's done.
1242
00:49:26,595 --> 00:49:28,197
No, hold on god damn it,
1243
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:29,064
just hold on.
1244
00:49:29,098 --> 00:49:31,101
This dog and pony
show is over with.
1245
00:49:31,134 --> 00:49:32,235
Like hell it is! Senator!
1246
00:49:32,268 --> 00:49:33,304
What is this?
1247
00:49:33,337 --> 00:49:34,305
We're on in one minute!
1248
00:49:34,338 --> 00:49:35,378
Get him back in that chair.
1249
00:49:35,406 --> 00:49:36,908
You all need to go back.
1250
00:49:36,941 --> 00:49:37,741
You know what Senator
1251
00:49:37,742 --> 00:49:39,111
we can't be sure
of anything now.
1252
00:49:39,144 --> 00:49:40,112
We need to sit him down and
1253
00:49:40,145 --> 00:49:41,614
sort it out and we
aren't gonna do it here.
1254
00:49:41,647 --> 00:49:42,290
Just hold up!!
1255
00:49:42,291 --> 00:49:44,384
Just hold up!!
1256
00:49:44,418 --> 00:49:45,578
We're not moving him anywhere
1257
00:49:45,585 --> 00:49:47,154
until we figure out
what is happening.
1258
00:49:47,187 --> 00:49:49,490
Now, what is he
asking you to do?
1259
00:49:49,524 --> 00:49:50,358
Well he's telling me
1260
00:49:50,391 --> 00:49:52,027
to make a list of
the missing girls
1261
00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:53,162
before the break's over.
1262
00:49:53,195 --> 00:49:54,964
It's the only way you'll see
1263
00:49:54,997 --> 00:49:56,566
any of them alive again.
1264
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,903
Are you saying that
my daughter is alive?
1265
00:49:59,937 --> 00:50:01,906
Well unless you move me.
1266
00:50:01,940 --> 00:50:03,242
Or the break ends with no list.
1267
00:50:03,275 --> 00:50:04,243
Come on, making
the fucking list!
1268
00:50:04,276 --> 00:50:05,144
Are you serious?
1269
00:50:05,177 --> 00:50:05,945
Get him back Senator?
In the seat!
1270
00:50:05,978 --> 00:50:07,480
Chain him to the
god damn table now!
1271
00:50:07,513 --> 00:50:08,882
This is not the
way to handle this!
1272
00:50:08,915 --> 00:50:10,183
What is this, did you
hear what I said?!
1273
00:50:10,216 --> 00:50:11,252
I can not deal with this guy!
1274
00:50:11,285 --> 00:50:12,290
Just slow down for
a minute, okay?
1275
00:50:12,291 --> 00:50:13,120
Just slow down for
a minute, okay?
1276
00:50:13,154 --> 00:50:15,090
No, the decision has been made!
Get him out!
1277
00:50:15,123 --> 00:50:16,391
He's not leaving this room!
1278
00:50:16,424 --> 00:50:17,593
That's not your call.
1279
00:50:17,626 --> 00:50:18,594
I'm just gonna do it.
1280
00:50:18,627 --> 00:50:21,230
I'm thinking it's
two minutes now.
1281
00:50:21,264 --> 00:50:23,400
Just fucking try it.
1282
00:50:23,433 --> 00:50:24,902
My daughter might be alive.
1283
00:50:24,935 --> 00:50:27,673
And until that's confirmed,
or disconfirmed,
1284
00:50:27,706 --> 00:50:30,576
we're gonna do exactly
what he says.
1285
00:50:30,609 --> 00:50:31,510
In fact this should be treated
1286
00:50:31,543 --> 00:50:32,379
like a hostage situation,
and negotiated.
1287
00:50:32,412 --> 00:50:33,652
No. There's nothing
to negotiate.
1288
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,315
Good boy.
1289
00:50:35,348 --> 00:50:36,550
That's exactly what he wants!
1290
00:50:43,225 --> 00:50:45,996
If you're going to argue
please step outside!
1291
00:50:46,029 --> 00:50:48,432
Please!
1292
00:50:52,437 --> 00:50:55,608
Guard, lock him up.
1293
00:51:06,488 --> 00:51:08,157
Get on the phone
and let the studio
1294
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:09,358
know what's happening.
1295
00:51:09,391 --> 00:51:10,527
We'll need to have Aiden
introduce the back up reel
1296
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,290
and run that until we can
figure this thing out.
1297
00:51:12,291 --> 00:51:13,697
And run that until we can
figure this thing out.
1298
00:51:13,731 --> 00:51:16,034
All right, gotcha, let's go.
1299
00:51:16,635 --> 00:51:18,703
Pierce, what's
happening in there?
1300
00:51:18,737 --> 00:51:20,472
Talk to me, I'm listening.
1301
00:51:20,505 --> 00:51:21,985
I'm not saying
we let him do anything,
1302
00:51:22,007 --> 00:51:23,143
I'm saying we get
someone down here
1303
00:51:23,176 --> 00:51:25,145
who's equipped to handle this.
1304
00:51:25,178 --> 00:51:27,248
I'm here, and I'm
dealing with this!
1305
00:51:27,281 --> 00:51:28,315
And with all due respect,
1306
00:51:28,349 --> 00:51:29,384
you need to back the fuck off!
1307
00:51:29,417 --> 00:51:30,485
That's enough!
1308
00:51:30,518 --> 00:51:31,486
You know what, if those girls
1309
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:32,755
are alive, time is a factor.
1310
00:51:32,788 --> 00:51:34,490
We can't just stand
here and debate this!
1311
00:51:34,523 --> 00:51:36,393
We haven't even asked
him what he wants.
1312
00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,228
Could we at least do that?
1313
00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:39,263
Huh?
1314
00:51:41,666 --> 00:51:42,290
What do you want?
1315
00:51:42,291 --> 00:51:43,669
What do you want?
1316
00:51:43,702 --> 00:51:46,405
Oh, I just want to
finish the interview.
1317
00:51:50,778 --> 00:51:52,313
Can I talk to you both outside
1318
00:51:52,346 --> 00:51:54,348
before we make a
decision, please?
1319
00:51:56,785 --> 00:51:58,253
All right.
1320
00:52:12,271 --> 00:52:12,291
How's it coming?
1321
00:52:12,292 --> 00:52:14,774
How's it coming?
1322
00:52:14,808 --> 00:52:17,445
It would help to know
how many there are.
1323
00:52:17,478 --> 00:52:21,417
Well, how many do you have?
1324
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:23,552
Twelve.
1325
00:52:23,585 --> 00:52:25,788
There's more.
1326
00:52:25,822 --> 00:52:27,557
How many more?
1327
00:52:27,590 --> 00:52:29,527
Well, I can't help you there.
1328
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,163
When you're done, you're done.
1329
00:52:36,469 --> 00:52:38,471
Are you done?
1330
00:52:41,843 --> 00:52:42,291
There's hardly
twenty minutes left.
1331
00:52:42,292 --> 00:52:44,446
There's hardly
twenty minutes left.
1332
00:52:44,479 --> 00:52:45,680
And he's chained to
the god damn table,
1333
00:52:45,713 --> 00:52:46,849
I don't see any reason
why we wouldn't--
1334
00:52:46,882 --> 00:52:48,551
Because it's what he wants.
1335
00:52:48,584 --> 00:52:49,719
And because it's
stupid to let him
1336
00:52:49,753 --> 00:52:51,655
hold this over us
on national TV.
1337
00:52:51,688 --> 00:52:53,157
Well then don't broadcast it.
1338
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:54,459
Look, turn on the cameras,
1339
00:52:54,492 --> 00:52:55,460
finish the interview
1340
00:52:55,493 --> 00:52:56,413
but don't broadcast it.
1341
00:52:56,427 --> 00:52:58,263
Just let him think
that it's still live.
1342
00:52:58,296 --> 00:52:59,265
You can do that, yeah?
1343
00:52:59,298 --> 00:53:01,100
We need to finish the show
1344
00:53:01,133 --> 00:53:02,535
as planned, if possible.
1345
00:53:02,569 --> 00:53:04,237
Yeah you can do that.
They can do it.
1346
00:53:04,271 --> 00:53:06,740
Look, it's twenty minutes,
let's finish this.
1347
00:53:06,774 --> 00:53:07,808
And then you can take him
1348
00:53:07,841 --> 00:53:08,841
wherever the hell you want
1349
00:53:08,843 --> 00:53:09,944
and get it all out of him,
1350
00:53:09,978 --> 00:53:12,114
but you will remember
that lives are at stake.
1351
00:53:12,147 --> 00:53:12,291
Possibly at stake.
1352
00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:13,182
Possibly at stake.
1353
00:53:13,215 --> 00:53:14,255
My daughter's life, Bishop
1354
00:53:14,284 --> 00:53:15,886
don't fuck with me!
1355
00:53:15,919 --> 00:53:17,253
Fine. Finish it.
1356
00:53:17,287 --> 00:53:18,327
Twenty minutes off the air.
1357
00:53:18,355 --> 00:53:19,323
Off air?
1358
00:53:19,356 --> 00:53:20,324
How can we do that?
1359
00:53:20,357 --> 00:53:21,626
Jesse?!
1360
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:29,603
Pierce, can we have
a word outside?
1361
00:53:33,841 --> 00:53:35,677
Yeah.
1362
00:53:50,796 --> 00:53:53,233
Nice try.
1363
00:53:53,266 --> 00:53:55,536
You think it's the pen
you have to worry about?
1364
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:25,940
Looks like they're gonna
keep running the show.
1365
00:54:25,974 --> 00:54:27,610
Good.
1366
00:54:34,952 --> 00:54:36,253
You may think you have us
1367
00:54:36,288 --> 00:54:39,492
all by the sack but you don't.
1368
00:54:39,525 --> 00:54:42,290
No matter what's tumbling
around in your head,
1369
00:54:42,291 --> 00:54:42,762
No matter what's tumbling
around in your head,
1370
00:54:42,796 --> 00:54:46,601
you'll still be here
at the end of the day.
1371
00:54:46,634 --> 00:54:48,669
And you'll still die
in November.
1372
00:54:48,703 --> 00:54:52,975
With me standing right over you.
1373
00:54:55,278 --> 00:54:57,815
Maybe.
1374
00:54:57,848 --> 00:54:59,483
Maybe not.
1375
00:55:01,452 --> 00:55:04,523
Keep telling yourself that.
1376
00:55:10,964 --> 00:55:12,290
Bishop.
1377
00:55:12,291 --> 00:55:14,302
Bishop.
1378
00:55:14,336 --> 00:55:17,440
I'm gonna need that package.
1379
00:55:17,473 --> 00:55:20,443
You know the one
I'm talking about.
1380
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:30,456
I ask him live, on the air,
1381
00:55:30,489 --> 00:55:31,489
put the pressure on him--
1382
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:34,061
Warden, they said they're ready.
1383
00:55:34,094 --> 00:55:36,364
Warden?
1384
00:55:36,397 --> 00:55:37,631
He's not gonna help us.
1385
00:55:55,989 --> 00:55:58,858
That motherfucker.
1386
00:56:09,105 --> 00:56:10,740
You're gonna need to
rethink your plan.
1387
00:56:24,124 --> 00:56:27,128
Here's what's gonna happen.
1388
00:56:27,161 --> 00:56:28,930
You're gonna get your interview,
1389
00:56:28,963 --> 00:56:30,565
you'll get your airtime,
1390
00:56:30,598 --> 00:56:31,867
but first you're gonna tell us
1391
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:34,537
where those girls are.
1392
00:56:34,570 --> 00:56:37,574
Dead or alive, you're
gonna give them back.
1393
00:56:40,611 --> 00:56:41,780
Fine.
1394
00:56:41,813 --> 00:56:42,291
Pick a number.
1395
00:56:42,292 --> 00:56:43,982
Pick a number.
1396
00:56:44,015 --> 00:56:46,118
What?
1397
00:56:46,152 --> 00:56:48,621
Pick a number.
1398
00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:52,060
One through fifteen - random.
1399
00:56:52,093 --> 00:56:53,862
Fine.
1400
00:56:53,895 --> 00:56:57,132
Eight.
1401
00:56:57,166 --> 00:56:59,101
Can she borrow your pen?
1402
00:56:59,135 --> 00:57:00,871
Borrow his pen.
1403
00:57:11,184 --> 00:57:12,290
Number eight, Ava Barnes,
1404
00:57:12,291 --> 00:57:13,920
Number eight, Ava Barnes,
1405
00:57:13,953 --> 00:57:17,792
cross her off the list.
1406
00:57:17,825 --> 00:57:21,763
Go ahead, cross her off.
1407
00:57:21,797 --> 00:57:24,467
Why?
1408
00:57:24,501 --> 00:57:25,702
Because you just killed her.
1409
00:57:25,735 --> 00:57:28,138
You'll get her back dead.
1410
00:57:28,171 --> 00:57:29,207
Every five minutes I sit here
1411
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,775
waiting to go back on the air,
1412
00:57:30,809 --> 00:57:33,011
it'll cost you another life.
1413
00:57:36,081 --> 00:57:37,750
Listen--
1414
00:57:37,783 --> 00:57:41,622
No, no, no, I hear you.
1415
00:57:41,655 --> 00:57:42,290
Keep trying to stall for time.
1416
00:57:42,291 --> 00:57:42,790
Keep trying to stall for time
1417
00:57:42,824 --> 00:57:43,958
while your guys back
1418
00:57:43,991 --> 00:57:46,228
at the hospital talk to Maggie.
1419
00:57:46,261 --> 00:57:48,631
But every five
minutes I sit here,
1420
00:57:48,664 --> 00:57:51,000
every five minutes you kill,
1421
00:57:51,034 --> 00:57:54,204
you take another girl with you.
1422
00:57:54,238 --> 00:57:56,908
So keep talking.
1423
00:57:56,942 --> 00:57:59,211
I'm listening.
1424
00:58:25,578 --> 00:58:27,581
Look, there's nothing
you could've done.
1425
00:58:27,614 --> 00:58:28,615
I'm done here.
1426
00:58:28,648 --> 00:58:29,984
I'm gonna go talk to that girl.
1427
00:58:30,017 --> 00:58:33,221
Detective... Detective?!
1428
00:58:34,756 --> 00:58:35,857
This is all on you now.
1429
00:58:35,891 --> 00:58:38,060
You're the only
negotiator that we have.
1430
00:58:38,094 --> 00:58:39,061
Why are we negotiating?
1431
00:58:39,095 --> 00:58:40,096
He's a lunatic.
1432
00:58:40,129 --> 00:58:41,999
Try to stay calm.
1433
00:58:42,032 --> 00:58:43,701
Keep things on an even keel.
1434
00:58:43,734 --> 00:58:44,702
Listen, the network is saying
1435
00:58:44,735 --> 00:58:46,037
to milk this all you can, okay.
1436
00:58:46,070 --> 00:58:47,972
This is breaking news, it
may as well be our story.
1437
00:58:48,006 --> 00:58:49,008
Get in there, talk about
1438
00:58:49,041 --> 00:58:50,041
what's happening right now
1439
00:58:50,042 --> 00:58:51,110
and get him talking about it.
1440
00:58:51,143 --> 00:58:51,956
He knows what to do.
1441
00:58:51,957 --> 00:58:52,112
He knows what to do.
1442
00:58:52,145 --> 00:58:53,947
Look, can we have a second?
1443
00:58:53,980 --> 00:58:55,983
Please?
1444
00:58:58,285 --> 00:58:59,854
This is not a good idea.
1445
00:58:59,888 --> 00:59:01,657
Just hang in there.
1446
00:59:01,690 --> 00:59:04,994
It'll be over
before you know it.
1447
00:59:05,028 --> 00:59:09,333
Hey, I love you.
1448
00:59:09,367 --> 00:59:12,303
I love you.
1449
00:59:12,337 --> 00:59:14,005
Come on, before he scratches
another name out.
1450
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:17,109
Here, take this.
1451
00:59:18,912 --> 00:59:20,848
And good luck.
1452
00:59:30,827 --> 00:59:32,062
It's for you.
1453
00:59:34,732 --> 00:59:35,867
How you feeling?
1454
00:59:40,839 --> 00:59:42,842
Another minute or
so and it's on.
1455
00:59:44,778 --> 00:59:46,647
Yeah, that's funny.
1456
00:59:57,728 --> 01:00:01,800
Would you tune
this for me, please?
1457
01:00:01,833 --> 01:00:04,603
It's Channel 11, right?
1458
01:00:10,144 --> 01:00:13,080
Just put it there on the floor.
1459
01:00:13,114 --> 01:00:15,617
I want to be able to
see my face on TV.
1460
01:00:20,757 --> 01:00:21,956
You want to know how you did?
1461
01:00:21,957 --> 01:00:22,893
You want to know how you did?
1462
01:00:22,927 --> 01:00:23,994
Not really.
1463
01:00:24,028 --> 01:00:26,431
All but two.
1464
01:00:26,464 --> 01:00:28,133
Not bad overall.
1465
01:00:28,166 --> 01:00:29,335
Thirty seconds.
1466
01:00:32,705 --> 01:00:34,775
Why are you doing this, man?
1467
01:00:34,808 --> 01:00:36,176
Just between you and me.
1468
01:00:36,210 --> 01:00:38,179
No cameras, no bullshit.
1469
01:00:38,212 --> 01:00:40,282
What do you want?
1470
01:00:42,384 --> 01:00:45,822
Somebody has to save us.
1471
01:00:45,856 --> 01:00:49,426
We're on in 5... 4... 3...
1472
01:00:53,398 --> 01:00:55,434
Hi, I'm Pierce Lawrence,
1473
01:00:55,468 --> 01:00:57,804
sitting down with Jim Gardener,
1474
01:00:57,837 --> 01:00:59,940
who has just made
what has proven to be
1475
01:00:59,974 --> 01:01:03,044
a very shocking revelation
during the break.
1476
01:01:03,078 --> 01:01:05,113
He's now claiming responsibility
1477
01:01:05,146 --> 01:01:07,216
for all of the missing women
1478
01:01:07,249 --> 01:01:08,417
thought to have
fallen victim to him,
1479
01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:10,253
only now he's claiming that
1480
01:01:10,287 --> 01:01:14,024
all of the victims are
in fact, still alive.
1481
01:01:14,057 --> 01:01:15,493
Oh my God. Now, authorities
have just confirmed
1482
01:01:15,526 --> 01:01:18,097
that one of the missing
girls has been found
1483
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:20,433
and is now safe in
police custody.
1484
01:01:20,466 --> 01:01:21,956
Her identity has
yet to be confirmed,
1485
01:01:21,957 --> 01:01:22,268
Her identity has
yet to be confirmed,
1486
01:01:22,302 --> 01:01:24,805
however-- Maggie Bernard.
1487
01:01:24,838 --> 01:01:26,273
Excuse me?
1488
01:01:26,307 --> 01:01:28,876
Maggie Bernard.
1489
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:32,881
And, uh, she's not the only one.
1490
01:01:32,915 --> 01:01:34,050
They're all alive
1491
01:01:34,083 --> 01:01:36,085
except for the two
you left off the list
1492
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:37,287
and the one the detective killed
1493
01:01:37,321 --> 01:01:38,789
when she tried
to stall for time.
1494
01:01:38,823 --> 01:01:40,425
Oh my God, what
if that's Lindsay??
1495
01:01:40,458 --> 01:01:41,426
Listen.
1496
01:01:41,459 --> 01:01:43,429
So, let me ask you this, Jim--
1497
01:01:43,462 --> 01:01:45,497
Tell them about this list.
1498
01:01:45,531 --> 01:01:47,234
Well I think what's
more important than--
1499
01:01:47,267 --> 01:01:51,372
Nothing's more
important than the list.
1500
01:01:51,405 --> 01:01:51,956
I don't think that would
1501
01:01:51,957 --> 01:01:53,274
I don't think that would
1502
01:01:53,307 --> 01:01:54,308
be appropriate
for the families--
1503
01:01:54,343 --> 01:01:56,078
Nobody cares what you think.
1504
01:01:56,111 --> 01:01:59,082
They don't care what you think.
1505
01:01:59,115 --> 01:02:02,453
Read the list.
1506
01:02:02,486 --> 01:02:04,889
Go on.
1507
01:02:07,926 --> 01:02:10,863
Lindsay Colson, Chrissie Brady,
1508
01:02:10,897 --> 01:02:14,033
Caitlyn Ward, Katie Todd,
1509
01:02:14,068 --> 01:02:16,904
Avery Lamar, Brenda Stevens,
1510
01:02:16,937 --> 01:02:19,407
Stephanie Greer, Ava--
1511
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,956
You can skip Ava, she's dead.
1512
01:02:21,957 --> 01:02:23,012
You can skip Ava, she's dead.
1513
01:02:23,045 --> 01:02:27,317
Ava Barnes,
Georgette Whittington,
1514
01:02:27,350 --> 01:02:31,322
Beverly Decatur,
Maggie Bernard--
1515
01:02:31,355 --> 01:02:34,293
Circle her, she's safe.
1516
01:02:36,296 --> 01:02:37,597
You sure?
1517
01:02:37,630 --> 01:02:42,069
Oh I'm quite sure.
1518
01:02:44,005 --> 01:02:46,942
Janice-Claire Jordan,
Erin Wheeler,
1519
01:02:46,975 --> 01:02:51,956
Erin Grove, and
Erica Bloomfield.
1520
01:02:51,957 --> 01:02:52,049
Erin Grove, and
Erica Bloomfield.
1521
01:02:52,082 --> 01:02:56,187
Very nice.
1522
01:02:56,221 --> 01:02:58,290
So just to be clear,
1523
01:02:58,324 --> 01:03:00,159
you're saying that
all of the women
1524
01:03:00,192 --> 01:03:02,895
on this list are
currently still alive?
1525
01:03:02,929 --> 01:03:04,164
Well, for the time being,
1526
01:03:04,197 --> 01:03:05,499
but that really depends on you,
1527
01:03:05,533 --> 01:03:07,501
doesn't it?
1528
01:03:07,535 --> 01:03:09,871
What does that mean?
1529
01:03:09,904 --> 01:03:10,906
Because today is the day
1530
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:13,276
of reckoning and revelation.
1531
01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:14,544
I'm bringing an indictment
1532
01:03:14,577 --> 01:03:15,946
against all things false
1533
01:03:15,979 --> 01:03:17,248
and you, Pierce Lawrence,
1534
01:03:17,281 --> 01:03:18,349
will stand for the masses
1535
01:03:18,382 --> 01:03:19,350
and the guileful media
1536
01:03:19,383 --> 01:03:20,552
that preaches to them every day.
1537
01:03:20,585 --> 01:03:21,419
All right, I'm gonna have
to stop you right there.
1538
01:03:21,453 --> 01:03:21,956
No, you don't have
the power to stop me.
1539
01:03:21,957 --> 01:03:24,623
No, you don't have
the power to stop me.
1540
01:03:24,657 --> 01:03:25,892
You've had your chance,
1541
01:03:25,925 --> 01:03:27,293
your moment is gone.
1542
01:03:27,326 --> 01:03:29,263
This is my time,
and I'll be heard.
1543
01:03:29,296 --> 01:03:30,164
Well, I'm sorry
1544
01:03:30,197 --> 01:03:31,966
but there's nothing
more you can say.
1545
01:03:31,999 --> 01:03:33,639
You're seriously trying
to hold this paper
1546
01:03:33,668 --> 01:03:36,638
above our heads, like
it means something?
1547
01:03:36,672 --> 01:03:38,507
This is just a piece of paper.
1548
01:03:38,541 --> 01:03:39,676
Okay, you want to prove
1549
01:03:39,709 --> 01:03:40,944
that this is worth anything,
1550
01:03:40,978 --> 01:03:41,945
why don't you back it up
1551
01:03:41,979 --> 01:03:43,614
and let someone else go?
1552
01:03:43,647 --> 01:03:45,984
In fact, let me choose
a name, any name,
1553
01:03:46,017 --> 01:03:47,952
on this list, at random,
1554
01:03:47,987 --> 01:03:49,254
and you prove to us,
1555
01:03:49,288 --> 01:03:50,356
that that person is still alive.
1556
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:51,956
How does that sound?
1557
01:03:51,957 --> 01:03:52,757
How does that sound?
1558
01:03:54,060 --> 01:03:55,629
You want to pick a name?
1559
01:03:55,662 --> 01:03:57,198
I'm saying show us proof
1560
01:03:57,231 --> 01:03:59,267
that this is what you say it is!
1561
01:03:59,301 --> 01:04:01,136
Fine.
1562
01:04:01,169 --> 01:04:02,705
Pick a name.
1563
01:04:02,738 --> 01:04:04,340
Pick a name and
cross it off the list.
1564
01:04:04,373 --> 01:04:05,642
Wait, no, that's not what I--
1565
01:04:05,675 --> 01:04:06,643
No, no, no--
1566
01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:07,444
This doesn't prove anything.
1567
01:04:07,477 --> 01:04:11,216
No, your reticence
proves everything.
1568
01:04:11,249 --> 01:04:13,419
Now pick a name.
1569
01:04:13,452 --> 01:04:15,054
Go on.
1570
01:04:15,087 --> 01:04:16,355
Okay, look, I'm not saying
that what you claim--
1571
01:04:16,388 --> 01:04:17,624
If another word comes
out of your mouth
1572
01:04:17,657 --> 01:04:18,691
before you pick a name,
1573
01:04:18,725 --> 01:04:21,395
it will be three instead of one.
1574
01:04:21,429 --> 01:04:21,956
Now pick your name.
1575
01:04:21,957 --> 01:04:24,966
Now pick your name.
1576
01:04:24,999 --> 01:04:27,737
I'll make it easy for you.
1577
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:30,674
The first name or the last name.
1578
01:04:30,707 --> 01:04:37,415
The Alpha or the Omega?
1579
01:04:37,449 --> 01:04:41,320
Pick a name.
1580
01:04:41,354 --> 01:04:43,990
Come on, time's wasting.
1581
01:04:44,024 --> 01:04:48,764
Pick your god damn name!
1582
01:04:54,437 --> 01:04:55,672
Lindsay Colson.
1583
01:04:55,705 --> 01:04:58,309
Lindsay.
1584
01:04:58,342 --> 01:04:59,410
What does he mean?
1585
01:04:59,443 --> 01:05:00,444
I don't know.
1586
01:05:00,478 --> 01:05:01,446
Go get the phone.
1587
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:02,447
Do you think he might have...
1588
01:05:02,481 --> 01:05:04,216
I don't know!
1589
01:05:05,651 --> 01:05:09,523
That wasn't easy was it?
1590
01:05:09,556 --> 01:05:11,058
Don't question me again,
1591
01:05:11,092 --> 01:05:13,395
and you'll save
yourself the grief.
1592
01:05:25,810 --> 01:05:27,779
Look, you got what you wanted.
1593
01:05:27,813 --> 01:05:29,548
Why don't you just let them go?
1594
01:05:29,581 --> 01:05:32,552
All right?
1595
01:05:32,585 --> 01:05:33,620
This is your chance to talk,
1596
01:05:33,653 --> 01:05:35,122
you can say whatever you want.
1597
01:05:35,155 --> 01:05:37,759
But whoever you're
working with out there,
1598
01:05:37,792 --> 01:05:41,630
you tell them right now to
let those girls go free.
1599
01:05:41,664 --> 01:05:47,604
Like I said, that's up to you.
1600
01:05:47,638 --> 01:05:50,174
Then tell me what
you want me to do.
1601
01:05:50,207 --> 01:05:51,956
I'm gonna ask you a
series of questions,
1602
01:05:51,957 --> 01:05:54,212
I'm gonna ask you a
series of questions,
1603
01:05:54,246 --> 01:05:55,406
and I want you to answer them
1604
01:05:55,414 --> 01:05:57,851
immediately and honestly.
1605
01:05:57,884 --> 01:06:00,487
No stalling.
1606
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,156
If you don't answer immediately,
1607
01:06:02,190 --> 01:06:03,724
a name comes off the list.
1608
01:06:03,759 --> 01:06:07,663
If I catch you in a lie, a
name comes off the list.
1609
01:06:07,697 --> 01:06:10,533
If you answer with a question,
or say 'I don't know',
1610
01:06:10,567 --> 01:06:13,837
or in any other way
interrupt the process,
1611
01:06:13,871 --> 01:06:16,475
a name comes off the list.
1612
01:06:16,508 --> 01:06:17,876
Are we clear?
1613
01:06:17,909 --> 01:06:21,881
What is that
going to accomplish?
1614
01:06:21,915 --> 01:06:21,957
Okay, that one's free.
1615
01:06:21,958 --> 01:06:24,651
Okay, that one's free.
1616
01:06:24,685 --> 01:06:27,689
But the next one will cost you.
1617
01:06:27,722 --> 01:06:29,491
The rules apply now.
1618
01:06:29,524 --> 01:06:31,394
Where were you born?
1619
01:06:31,427 --> 01:06:33,897
Seoul, South Korea.
1620
01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:35,565
Is Pierce Lawrence
your real name?
1621
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:36,566
Yes.
1622
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:37,868
Of course it is.
1623
01:06:37,902 --> 01:06:40,571
Your birth name?
1624
01:06:40,605 --> 01:06:41,673
No.
1625
01:06:41,707 --> 01:06:43,642
I didn't say that.
1626
01:06:43,675 --> 01:06:47,747
Well what is your birth name?
1627
01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:51,519
Yoo Young-chun.
1628
01:06:51,552 --> 01:06:51,957
Why did you change that?
1629
01:06:51,958 --> 01:06:53,622
Why did you change that?
1630
01:06:53,655 --> 01:06:55,157
For my career.
1631
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:56,025
I see.
1632
01:06:56,058 --> 01:06:57,427
And how did your
family feel about that,
1633
01:06:57,460 --> 01:06:59,695
your parents?
1634
01:06:59,729 --> 01:07:01,465
They understood.
1635
01:07:01,498 --> 01:07:04,235
They didn't object?
1636
01:07:04,268 --> 01:07:08,240
Well at first, maybe,
but they understood.
1637
01:07:08,273 --> 01:07:10,276
Growing up, was your
family religious?
1638
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,716
Yes.
1639
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:16,951
Christian?
1640
01:07:16,984 --> 01:07:18,253
Yes.
1641
01:07:18,286 --> 01:07:20,456
Oh, let me guess.
1642
01:07:20,489 --> 01:07:21,823
Catholic?
1643
01:07:21,857 --> 01:07:21,957
Very good.
1644
01:07:21,958 --> 01:07:23,660
Very good.
1645
01:07:23,693 --> 01:07:26,396
That's correct.
1646
01:07:26,429 --> 01:07:27,397
Did you masturbate
as a teenager?
1647
01:07:27,431 --> 01:07:29,333
Oh for Christ's sake!
1648
01:07:29,367 --> 01:07:30,501
That's not a valid answer.
1649
01:07:30,534 --> 01:07:32,371
Try again.
1650
01:07:32,404 --> 01:07:33,372
No.
1651
01:07:33,405 --> 01:07:36,977
Never?
1652
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:40,614
No, don't look at
the door, look at me.
1653
01:07:40,647 --> 01:07:41,767
If you look at the door again
1654
01:07:41,783 --> 01:07:44,286
another name comes off the list.
1655
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,455
Don't look over there either.
1656
01:07:46,489 --> 01:07:50,494
You keep your eyes on me.
1657
01:07:50,527 --> 01:07:51,896
You really have a
hard time facing me,
1658
01:07:51,929 --> 01:07:51,957
don't you?
1659
01:07:51,958 --> 01:07:54,332
Don't you?
1660
01:07:54,365 --> 01:07:58,904
Or maybe you have a
hard time facing yourself.
1661
01:07:58,937 --> 01:08:00,940
Answer the question.
1662
01:08:04,845 --> 01:08:07,949
Sometimes.
1663
01:08:07,982 --> 01:08:10,352
Sometimes you masturbated?
1664
01:08:10,385 --> 01:08:11,721
Yes.
1665
01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:12,922
But not frequently?
1666
01:08:12,955 --> 01:08:14,991
No.
1667
01:08:15,025 --> 01:08:16,627
Even though you
wanted to, am I right?
1668
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:18,763
Break to commercial,
get outta this.
1669
01:08:18,796 --> 01:08:20,998
Did you feel guilty?
1670
01:08:21,032 --> 01:08:21,956
Sure.
1671
01:08:21,957 --> 01:08:22,768
Sure.
1672
01:08:22,801 --> 01:08:24,770
Like any good Catholic boy
1673
01:08:24,803 --> 01:08:27,974
in conflict with his essence?
1674
01:08:28,007 --> 01:08:29,343
All right I've just
been told that we
1675
01:08:29,376 --> 01:08:30,344
have to take a commercial break.
1676
01:08:30,377 --> 01:08:31,479
We'll be right back--
1677
01:08:31,512 --> 01:08:32,747
No, we don't take a break!
1678
01:08:32,780 --> 01:08:34,382
We keep going.
1679
01:08:34,415 --> 01:08:35,384
That's not my decision.
1680
01:08:35,417 --> 01:08:36,852
No, the decision is mine,
1681
01:08:36,886 --> 01:08:38,287
and I say we keep going.
1682
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,557
Next question
1683
01:08:40,590 --> 01:08:44,295
why did you get into journalism?
1684
01:08:44,328 --> 01:08:46,631
I enjoy reporting.
1685
01:08:46,665 --> 01:08:48,000
Investigating the truth.
1686
01:08:48,033 --> 01:08:51,671
I see.
1687
01:08:51,704 --> 01:08:51,957
And did you always
report on assignment,
1688
01:08:51,958 --> 01:08:52,773
And did you always
report on assignment,
1689
01:08:52,806 --> 01:08:54,541
or did you do your own stories?
1690
01:08:54,575 --> 01:08:55,709
You're getting calls
from all over:
1691
01:08:55,742 --> 01:08:57,779
The FBI, the FCC.
1692
01:08:57,812 --> 01:09:00,683
Refer them to the police,
or leave them on hold.
1693
01:09:00,716 --> 01:09:01,784
I don't care.
1694
01:09:01,817 --> 01:09:03,052
Even the Governor?
1695
01:09:03,086 --> 01:09:04,020
I'll talk to him.
1696
01:09:04,053 --> 01:09:07,925
You can tell the rest
of them to go to hell.
1697
01:09:07,958 --> 01:09:09,994
Okay, one more thing,
1698
01:09:10,028 --> 01:09:12,363
where's the detective?
1699
01:09:12,398 --> 01:09:14,033
Gone.
1700
01:09:14,066 --> 01:09:15,968
I asked for it, yes.
1701
01:09:16,002 --> 01:09:18,038
Why?
1702
01:09:18,071 --> 01:09:19,573
Because I thought it
was a good story.
1703
01:09:33,858 --> 01:09:35,727
You gotta let me know
as soon as you do.
1704
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:36,728
I'll call you back.
1705
01:09:36,761 --> 01:09:38,030
What's the word?
1706
01:09:38,063 --> 01:09:39,031
It's strange up there.
1707
01:09:39,064 --> 01:09:40,024
She's not offering much.
1708
01:09:40,033 --> 01:09:41,701
She's on and off like a
light, she zones out,
1709
01:09:41,735 --> 01:09:42,936
she's shaky, nervous.
1710
01:09:42,969 --> 01:09:44,671
How bad is she, mentally?
1711
01:09:44,704 --> 01:09:45,740
It's not good.
1712
01:09:45,773 --> 01:09:46,741
Parents here yet?
1713
01:09:46,774 --> 01:09:47,775
Still on the way.
1714
01:09:47,808 --> 01:09:49,077
Okay, anything on
the other girls?
1715
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:50,612
She said the only ones he killed
1716
01:09:50,646 --> 01:09:51,926
were the ones who
couldn't accept
1717
01:09:51,948 --> 01:09:51,957
the truth - her words.
1718
01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:52,915
The truth - her words.
1719
01:09:52,949 --> 01:09:53,916
And how many is that?
1720
01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:54,917
All of them?
1721
01:09:54,951 --> 01:09:55,819
It's anyone's guess.
1722
01:09:55,853 --> 01:09:57,621
She was with them as
recently as a week ago
1723
01:09:57,655 --> 01:09:59,423
then she was moved to
a separate location.
1724
01:09:59,457 --> 01:10:00,592
Whoa.
1725
01:10:00,625 --> 01:10:01,593
By who?
1726
01:10:01,626 --> 01:10:02,866
She doesn't know - or won't say.
1727
01:10:02,894 --> 01:10:04,396
She's spotty like that.
1728
01:10:04,429 --> 01:10:05,898
She's vague on some points,
1729
01:10:05,931 --> 01:10:07,533
and then she's
clear with details.
1730
01:10:07,567 --> 01:10:09,002
But, she said she thinks
1731
01:10:09,035 --> 01:10:10,637
she can take us to
where they were kept.
1732
01:10:10,671 --> 01:10:11,939
She knows where they were held?
1733
01:10:11,973 --> 01:10:12,974
She recognized the area.
1734
01:10:13,007 --> 01:10:13,976
Outside of town,
1735
01:10:14,009 --> 01:10:15,744
just out in the woods somewhere.
1736
01:10:15,778 --> 01:10:16,745
This is bullshit.
1737
01:10:16,779 --> 01:10:18,748
I don't like it at all.
1738
01:10:18,782 --> 01:10:20,450
But she said she
could lead us there?
1739
01:10:20,484 --> 01:10:21,956
She thinks she can.
1740
01:10:21,957 --> 01:10:22,086
She thinks she can.
1741
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:23,988
All right, well,
who's jurisdiction?
1742
01:10:24,021 --> 01:10:25,723
Just south of the
lake, probably yours,
1743
01:10:25,756 --> 01:10:26,557
or Liberty County.
1744
01:10:26,592 --> 01:10:27,926
All right, we
gotta move on this.
1745
01:10:27,959 --> 01:10:29,028
Where is everybody?
1746
01:10:29,061 --> 01:10:30,129
Phil's back at the scene,
1747
01:10:30,162 --> 01:10:31,464
Gavin's in there with her now.
1748
01:10:31,498 --> 01:10:32,498
Okay, pull the van around.
1749
01:10:32,499 --> 01:10:33,466
We're rolling in five minutes.
1750
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:34,635
I'm on it.
1751
01:10:42,545 --> 01:10:44,180
Hi Maggie.
1752
01:10:44,214 --> 01:10:46,182
I'm Detective Carnes.
1753
01:10:46,216 --> 01:10:48,652
How're you holding up?
1754
01:10:48,686 --> 01:10:50,121
Okay, I know you've
been through a lot,
1755
01:10:50,154 --> 01:10:51,556
and we all want to make this
1756
01:10:51,589 --> 01:10:51,957
as easy on you as possible.
1757
01:10:51,958 --> 01:10:53,859
As easy on you as possible.
1758
01:10:53,892 --> 01:10:55,461
I just need to
know a few things,
1759
01:10:55,494 --> 01:10:57,697
and then we can
get you rested up, okay?
1760
01:10:59,734 --> 01:11:00,601
Okay.
1761
01:11:00,635 --> 01:11:01,902
I need to know if
there's anyone else
1762
01:11:01,936 --> 01:11:03,872
working with Gardener.
1763
01:11:03,905 --> 01:11:06,075
Another man, maybe?
1764
01:11:06,108 --> 01:11:08,645
With him?
1765
01:11:08,678 --> 01:11:10,013
No.
1766
01:11:10,047 --> 01:11:10,981
So you don't know who it was
1767
01:11:11,014 --> 01:11:13,451
that moved you away
from the other girls?
1768
01:11:14,919 --> 01:11:16,755
He did.
1769
01:11:16,788 --> 01:11:19,191
Gardener?
1770
01:11:21,161 --> 01:11:21,956
Well you see Maggie,
that's not really possible.
1771
01:11:21,957 --> 01:11:23,497
Well you see Maggie,
that's not really possible.
1772
01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:25,699
He's been in prison
for several months.
1773
01:11:25,732 --> 01:11:26,901
In fact he's there now
1774
01:11:26,934 --> 01:11:28,736
threatening the lives
of the other girls.
1775
01:11:28,770 --> 01:11:30,706
We need to find them
as soon as possible,
1776
01:11:30,739 --> 01:11:33,009
do you think you
can show us where?
1777
01:11:33,977 --> 01:11:35,712
Okay, I'm gonna see if I
can get her checked out.
1778
01:11:35,745 --> 01:11:36,713
They won't do it. We've asked.
1779
01:11:36,746 --> 01:11:39,016
Then don't ask.
1780
01:11:39,049 --> 01:11:40,585
She can't leave right now.
1781
01:11:40,618 --> 01:11:42,287
There are fourteen
other girls out there,
1782
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,623
maybe alive, maybe
dying as we speak.
1783
01:11:44,656 --> 01:11:45,992
She's leaving.
1784
01:11:46,025 --> 01:11:50,531
Live your life, is the point.
1785
01:11:50,564 --> 01:11:51,933
The ill and the favorable alike.
1786
01:11:51,966 --> 01:11:54,769
Love your fate.
1787
01:11:54,803 --> 01:11:56,806
And I'm not talking about fate
1788
01:11:56,839 --> 01:11:58,908
in the sense of
pre-determined destiny,
1789
01:11:58,942 --> 01:12:00,644
I'm talking about fate
in the sense of things
1790
01:12:00,677 --> 01:12:04,115
falling randomly into your life.
1791
01:12:04,148 --> 01:12:06,751
That we met is
kind of providence.
1792
01:12:06,784 --> 01:12:10,156
Don't you think?
1793
01:12:10,189 --> 01:12:13,293
Providence of coincidence.
1794
01:12:13,327 --> 01:12:17,332
We both stand to benefit by it.
1795
01:12:17,365 --> 01:12:20,302
But the overriding question is,
1796
01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:21,956
having looked back at your life,
1797
01:12:21,957 --> 01:12:22,839
having looked back at your life,
1798
01:12:22,872 --> 01:12:24,674
do you still believe yourself
1799
01:12:24,707 --> 01:12:27,645
to be a genuine person?
1800
01:12:27,678 --> 01:12:29,680
Living by the law
of your own essence?
1801
01:12:35,888 --> 01:12:38,759
No.
1802
01:12:38,792 --> 01:12:42,997
That's not how I lived.
1803
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:45,834
See?
1804
01:12:45,868 --> 01:12:48,705
Admitting guilt can be
vastly more liberating
1805
01:12:48,738 --> 01:12:51,275
than the indignity of
justifying your actions
1806
01:12:51,308 --> 01:12:51,956
to people who can't
understand your choices.
1807
01:12:51,957 --> 01:12:56,782
To people who can't
understand your choices.
1808
01:12:56,815 --> 01:13:00,119
I see promise in you, Pierce.
1809
01:13:00,152 --> 01:13:02,655
I do.
1810
01:13:02,689 --> 01:13:03,891
And I wish circumstances
1811
01:13:03,924 --> 01:13:05,759
hadn't brought us to this place,
1812
01:13:05,793 --> 01:13:09,731
but you and those you represent
1813
01:13:09,764 --> 01:13:13,336
put us on this path.
1814
01:13:13,369 --> 01:13:16,773
Unfortunately, this
is where it ends.
1815
01:13:25,351 --> 01:13:29,356
If I'm to be judged,
1816
01:13:29,389 --> 01:13:31,058
then you'll be judged as well.
1817
01:13:32,059 --> 01:13:33,992
You better back off from me.
1818
01:13:33,993 --> 01:13:34,730
You better back off from me.
1819
01:13:34,763 --> 01:13:35,731
Back off!
1820
01:13:35,764 --> 01:13:37,333
Stay out of it.
1821
01:13:37,834 --> 01:13:39,369
What do you think you're doing?
1822
01:13:39,402 --> 01:13:41,271
I'm taking full
responsibility for this.
1823
01:13:41,304 --> 01:13:44,342
Lives are at stake, more
than just my daughter's,
1824
01:13:44,375 --> 01:13:46,645
so we will let this play out.
1825
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:49,815
Either your body
or your soul will die
1826
01:13:49,849 --> 01:13:51,852
before you leave this room.
1827
01:13:55,256 --> 01:13:59,161
The choice is yours.
1828
01:13:59,194 --> 01:14:02,831
The reckoning will be mine.
1829
01:14:06,971 --> 01:14:10,308
This is the abyss.
1830
01:14:10,341 --> 01:14:12,277
Look at it.
1831
01:14:17,184 --> 01:14:20,488
If you want to save
the girls on that list,
1832
01:14:20,521 --> 01:14:24,759
you'll take this pill.
1833
01:14:24,793 --> 01:14:27,029
I have no idea if anything
1834
01:14:27,062 --> 01:14:29,265
you've said to me
today is even true.
1835
01:14:29,299 --> 01:14:30,934
Nor will you.
1836
01:14:30,967 --> 01:14:33,771
Nor do you need to.
1837
01:14:33,805 --> 01:14:33,993
You only need to look.
1838
01:14:33,994 --> 01:14:35,139
You only need to look
1839
01:14:35,172 --> 01:14:36,374
into the living rooms
of the people
1840
01:14:36,408 --> 01:14:40,146
you've lied to over the
course of your career
1841
01:14:40,179 --> 01:14:42,316
and take this pill.
1842
01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:47,856
What is it?
1843
01:14:47,889 --> 01:14:50,959
Salvation.
1844
01:14:50,992 --> 01:14:56,399
Don't worry, though,
I have one too.
1845
01:14:56,433 --> 01:14:59,470
You don't have to go alone.
1846
01:14:59,503 --> 01:15:03,992
None of us have to go alone.
1847
01:15:03,993 --> 01:15:04,243
None of us have to go alone.
1848
01:15:04,276 --> 01:15:08,114
Now is the time
to save yourself.
1849
01:15:08,148 --> 01:15:10,985
Open your eyes.
1850
01:15:11,018 --> 01:15:16,058
Come to the light of awareness.
1851
01:15:16,091 --> 01:15:17,460
In 27 days
1852
01:15:17,493 --> 01:15:19,963
I will be reborn
of a virgin mother,
1853
01:15:19,996 --> 01:15:22,466
seeded in the
Church of the Real,
1854
01:15:22,499 --> 01:15:24,235
reared in absentia,
1855
01:15:24,269 --> 01:15:25,270
cultured as a father
1856
01:15:25,303 --> 01:15:26,538
to the nation of the awakened,
1857
01:15:26,572 --> 01:15:28,474
godhead to the Experience
1858
01:15:28,507 --> 01:15:30,843
of the Essential Design.
1859
01:15:30,877 --> 01:15:33,914
If you want to break the
mold that binds your essence,
1860
01:15:33,947 --> 01:15:33,993
if you want to see the
world how it truly is,
1861
01:15:33,994 --> 01:15:39,388
if you want to see the
world how it truly is,
1862
01:15:39,421 --> 01:15:44,828
if your life is numb,
your friends are false,
1863
01:15:44,861 --> 01:15:48,165
and your soul is empty.
Come to me.
1864
01:15:50,167 --> 01:15:51,870
Converge, brothers and sisters,
1865
01:15:51,904 --> 01:15:54,140
on the city of Livingston.
1866
01:15:54,173 --> 01:15:57,577
Seek the Church of the Real.
1867
01:15:57,611 --> 01:16:03,084
Seek your Essential Design.
1868
01:16:03,118 --> 01:16:03,992
It is here, and it is happening.
1869
01:16:03,993 --> 01:16:07,223
It is here, and it is happening.
1870
01:16:07,256 --> 01:16:08,558
God is dead,
1871
01:16:08,591 --> 01:16:10,127
but the medium is
not the message.
1872
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,596
We are the message.
1873
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:14,966
We are alive,
1874
01:16:14,999 --> 01:16:18,070
and we have the ability
to exist and experience
1875
01:16:18,103 --> 01:16:21,474
beyond the confines
of the machine.
1876
01:16:21,507 --> 01:16:24,077
And that, dear friends,
is the only Good News.
1877
01:16:27,315 --> 01:16:29,617
For you, though,
1878
01:16:34,491 --> 01:16:39,264
This is your only hope.
1879
01:16:39,297 --> 01:16:43,435
The disservices of your
falsehood revisit you now.
1880
01:16:43,469 --> 01:16:46,138
It's time for you to realize.
1881
01:16:48,475 --> 01:16:51,379
Take it.
1882
01:16:51,412 --> 01:16:53,882
You have ten seconds
or they all die.
1883
01:17:06,564 --> 01:17:08,567
No, Pierce, please.
1884
01:17:08,601 --> 01:17:10,403
No.
1885
01:17:10,436 --> 01:17:12,406
It's okay, baby.
1886
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,574
It's about the
big picture, right?
1887
01:17:14,608 --> 01:17:16,977
Don't worry about me.
1888
01:17:17,011 --> 01:17:18,179
I'm not afraid of him.
1889
01:17:21,383 --> 01:17:24,521
If I take this pill,
they all go free.
1890
01:17:24,554 --> 01:17:26,724
That's the deal.
1891
01:17:26,757 --> 01:17:28,492
This is not for you.
1892
01:17:28,526 --> 01:17:30,261
It's not for anything
you stand for,
1893
01:17:30,294 --> 01:17:32,397
you understand me?
1894
01:17:32,431 --> 01:17:33,992
I'm doing this for the lives
of the girls on this list.
1895
01:17:33,993 --> 01:17:38,071
I'm doing this for the lives
of the girls on this list.
1896
01:17:38,104 --> 01:17:41,175
You say that, but you won't
1897
01:17:41,208 --> 01:17:45,581
know the reason until
it's in your blood.
1898
01:17:45,614 --> 01:17:48,151
Go on.
1899
01:17:48,184 --> 01:17:50,119
Take it.
1900
01:17:58,797 --> 01:18:00,700
Swallow.
1901
01:18:09,111 --> 01:18:12,014
Good.
1902
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:28,202
All right.
1903
01:18:28,235 --> 01:18:29,637
Tell us where they are.
1904
01:18:32,673 --> 01:18:33,992
Shhh.
1905
01:18:33,993 --> 01:18:35,377
Shhh.
1906
01:18:35,411 --> 01:18:38,615
Clear your mind.
1907
01:18:38,648 --> 01:18:40,718
Where are they?
1908
01:18:40,751 --> 01:18:43,287
No, no, no, you have to focus.
1909
01:18:43,321 --> 01:18:46,525
Focus.
1910
01:18:46,558 --> 01:18:49,729
Hey.
1911
01:18:49,762 --> 01:18:57,071
Amor fati, vox nihili.
1912
01:18:57,104 --> 01:18:58,440
Hey!
1913
01:18:58,473 --> 01:18:59,441
Where are they?
1914
01:18:59,474 --> 01:19:02,478
Falsus in uno,
falsus in omnibus.
1915
01:19:02,511 --> 01:19:03,992
TELL ME WHERE THEY ARE!
1916
01:19:03,993 --> 01:19:05,382
TELL ME WHERE THEY ARE!
1917
01:19:05,415 --> 01:19:06,450
HEY!
1918
01:19:06,483 --> 01:19:08,353
WHERE ARE THE GIRLS?
1919
01:19:08,386 --> 01:19:10,221
You can't save the girls.
1920
01:19:10,255 --> 01:19:11,389
You can only clear the graft
1921
01:19:11,422 --> 01:19:12,691
from your own soul.
1922
01:19:12,724 --> 01:19:14,260
What are you talking about?
1923
01:19:14,293 --> 01:19:15,762
What do you mean I
can't save them?
1924
01:19:15,795 --> 01:19:18,498
The girls are beyond you.
1925
01:19:18,531 --> 01:19:20,234
They're dead to this world.
1926
01:19:20,268 --> 01:19:22,203
They're dead to falsehood,
dead to insincerity.
1927
01:19:22,236 --> 01:19:23,304
What are you saying?
1928
01:19:23,338 --> 01:19:24,306
The girls are dead?
1929
01:19:24,339 --> 01:19:25,607
Yes.
1930
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,512
Yes, they've died
and been born anew,
1931
01:19:29,545 --> 01:19:32,383
just like I will be.
1932
01:19:32,416 --> 01:19:33,484
You lying son of a bitch,
1933
01:19:33,517 --> 01:19:33,993
we had a deal!
1934
01:19:33,994 --> 01:19:35,320
We had a deal!
1935
01:19:39,592 --> 01:19:40,593
Cut.
1936
01:19:40,626 --> 01:19:42,228
Cut the program.
1937
01:19:42,262 --> 01:19:43,797
No, the rules apply.
1938
01:19:43,831 --> 01:19:44,832
I can't breathe.
1939
01:19:44,865 --> 01:19:46,267
Cut the camera, right now!
1940
01:19:46,301 --> 01:19:47,602
Pierce!
1941
01:19:47,635 --> 01:19:48,837
No, you need to get back--
1942
01:19:53,676 --> 01:19:54,644
We're done.
1943
01:19:54,677 --> 01:19:56,747
No, we are not done!
1944
01:19:56,780 --> 01:19:58,349
It is not over until
I say it's over.
1945
01:19:58,382 --> 01:19:59,751
Get off me!
1946
01:19:59,784 --> 01:20:01,586
Look me in the eye!
1947
01:20:01,908 --> 01:20:03,708
Look me in the fucking eye!
1948
01:20:03,741 --> 01:20:03,993
Yes.
1949
01:20:03,994 --> 01:20:06,741
Yes.
1950
01:20:06,774 --> 01:20:08,074
Do you see it?
1951
01:20:08,108 --> 01:20:10,608
It's so fucking beautiful.
1952
01:20:48,508 --> 01:20:50,541
Is this it?
1953
01:20:50,574 --> 01:20:51,541
You sure?
1954
01:20:51,574 --> 01:20:52,708
Okay, you get her
back in the van.
1955
01:20:52,741 --> 01:20:53,708
What are we doing?
1956
01:20:53,741 --> 01:20:54,974
Just stay back.
1957
01:20:55,008 --> 01:20:56,008
Safe distance.
1958
01:20:57,508 --> 01:20:58,574
Get inside.
1959
01:20:58,608 --> 01:21:00,941
Don't move.
1960
01:21:07,508 --> 01:21:08,008
♪
1961
01:21:58,674 --> 01:21:59,674
Chrissie?
1962
01:22:07,541 --> 01:22:10,074
Oh God.
1963
01:22:10,108 --> 01:22:13,508
Welcome.
1964
01:22:24,241 --> 01:22:24,741
♪
1965
01:22:33,993 --> 01:22:34,474
♪
1966
01:22:34,475 --> 01:22:34,975
♪
1967
01:22:39,841 --> 01:22:40,341
♪
1968
01:22:52,008 --> 01:22:52,508
♪
1969
01:23:02,041 --> 01:23:03,992
♪
1970
01:23:03,993 --> 01:23:04,493
♪
1971
01:23:09,508 --> 01:23:10,008
♪
1972
01:23:19,541 --> 01:23:20,041
♪
1973
01:23:26,474 --> 01:23:26,974
♪
1974
01:23:33,993 --> 01:23:36,507
♪
1975
01:23:36,508 --> 01:23:37,008
♪
1976
01:23:45,074 --> 01:23:45,574
♪
1977
01:23:55,108 --> 01:23:55,608
♪
1978
01:24:01,641 --> 01:24:03,992
♪
1979
01:24:03,993 --> 01:24:04,493
♪
1980
01:24:11,674 --> 01:24:12,174
♪
1981
01:24:19,508 --> 01:24:20,008
♪
1982
01:24:29,541 --> 01:24:30,041
♪
1983
01:24:33,993 --> 01:24:34,493
♪
1984
01:24:38,074 --> 01:24:38,574
♪
1985
01:24:48,108 --> 01:24:48,608
♪
1986
01:24:55,074 --> 01:24:55,574
♪
1987
01:25:03,993 --> 01:25:05,107
♪
1988
01:25:05,108 --> 01:25:05,608
♪
1989
01:25:11,208 --> 01:25:11,708
♪
1990
01:25:21,441 --> 01:25:21,941
♪
1991
01:25:28,208 --> 01:25:28,708
♪
1992
01:25:33,993 --> 01:25:34,493
♪
1993
01:25:38,441 --> 01:25:38,941
♪
1994
01:25:46,208 --> 01:25:46,708
♪
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