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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,010 --> 00:00:20,530 Our first guest, Patty Hearst, the victim of the most bizarre kidnapping 2 00:00:20,530 --> 00:00:21,530 in American history. 3 00:00:21,630 --> 00:00:25,370 Carried, kicking and screaming from her California apartment, shoved into the 4 00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:27,310 trunk of a car and fed off into the night. 5 00:00:27,550 --> 00:00:30,770 Four months later, she stunned the world with the announcement that she joined 6 00:00:30,770 --> 00:00:35,170 her captors. She became a gun -toting revolutionary and was branded a common 7 00:00:35,170 --> 00:00:41,490 criminal. Less than 30 minutes ago, we arrested Patty Hearst at 625... Four 8 00:00:41,490 --> 00:00:42,490 counts of robbery. 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,800 Five pounds of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to murder. 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,740 Authorities said they found 10 automatic weapons in the Hearst apartment. 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,160 How in the world does the granddaughter of William Randolph Hearst become a 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,160 terrorist? 13 00:00:56,260 --> 00:01:01,400 The Seminese Liberation Army kidnapped someone from American nobility. 14 00:01:02,949 --> 00:01:04,970 It's a story that is violent. 15 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:10,870 I was kidnapped by terrorists, brutalized by them, a threat constantly 16 00:01:10,870 --> 00:01:14,070 you'll be killed if you don't cooperate. It finally breaks you down. 17 00:01:15,290 --> 00:01:17,490 My name is William Taylor Harris. 18 00:01:19,570 --> 00:01:20,630 Ask me a question. 19 00:01:20,930 --> 00:01:22,230 Did you kidnap Patty Hearst? 20 00:01:23,830 --> 00:01:29,150 I personally took Patty Hearst out of her apartment and put her into a getaway 21 00:01:29,150 --> 00:01:30,150 car. 22 00:01:30,210 --> 00:01:33,990 Reality isn't always on the surface, you know. 23 00:01:34,430 --> 00:01:36,970 Sometimes you have to look a little bit deeper to see what's real. 24 00:01:38,150 --> 00:01:42,050 Is she America's most famous crime victim? 25 00:01:43,530 --> 00:01:50,390 Or is she the most famous rich turncoat in American history? 26 00:01:54,190 --> 00:01:58,790 The granddaughter of William Randolph Hearst was abducted by two men and a 27 00:01:58,790 --> 00:02:00,270 in a bizarre kidnapping. 28 00:02:01,870 --> 00:02:05,410 No ransom note, no phone calls, no word, nothing. 29 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:10,169 The SLA is the people's army and we fight in their interest. 30 00:02:12,410 --> 00:02:17,030 The FBI said the girl in the wig with the automatic rifle was Patricia Hearst. 31 00:02:18,810 --> 00:02:22,430 Rich college girl turned armed terrorist in a matter of weeks. 32 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,820 Southern California's largest manhunt continues. 33 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,900 For someone my age, I've been through an awful lot. 34 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:31,540 We don't know where she is. 35 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Mom, Dad, I'm okay. 36 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,780 Looking at it 40 or 45 years later, however long it's been, it wasn't a 37 00:02:51,780 --> 00:02:52,780 story. 38 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,640 When somebody you love is close to you is kidnapped, it's a particular 39 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:04,340 kind of torture that it's very hard to understand unless it's actually happened 40 00:03:04,340 --> 00:03:10,120 to you. She did change. And it wasn't too many months before I realized that 41 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,120 weren't getting back together. 42 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:14,720 Everything was crushed. It was gone. It was done. 43 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:21,460 But I'm just trying to try, you know, if it was a documentary and you want the 44 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:25,580 history. You want to know what it was like before the kidnapping. That's my 45 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:26,580 answer. 46 00:03:35,940 --> 00:03:36,940 1972, 47 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:41,560 I went to work at Crystal Springs teaching math and geometry. It was a 48 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,580 private girl's school, and she came to some guitar classes I was giving. 49 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,680 I don't think she really was interested in learning the guitar. She just wanted 50 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,200 to... hang out with one of the older teachers. 51 00:03:53,260 --> 00:03:59,020 That was the first introduction, and then she would find ways to talk to me, 52 00:03:59,020 --> 00:04:04,880 then finally one day she just showed up at my house for some math tutoring, and 53 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,760 that became a constant thing eventually. 54 00:04:11,740 --> 00:04:16,060 Patty and Steve have always said that their romance began when Steve was 23 55 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:17,060 she was 16. 56 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:24,170 By my accounting, It may well have been she was 15, but as both Steve and Patty 57 00:04:24,170 --> 00:04:30,230 have subsequently said, it was Patty who targeted Steve for romance first, not 58 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:31,230 the other way around. 59 00:04:32,370 --> 00:04:36,950 I never would have initiated something like that, but I was receptive over 60 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:43,050 She knew what she wanted, and she just went for it, and she was kind of 61 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:44,310 fearless, actually. 62 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,600 Patty was just 18 years old when she decided to move in with Steve Weed, and 63 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,300 they got a nice little apartment very near the campus of Berkeley. 64 00:04:56,220 --> 00:05:00,800 Her father was pretty easygoing about it. How are you going to shack up with 65 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,800 daughter? 66 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,680 Well, you just treat her nicely. The mother was very unhappy about it, but 67 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,540 didn't show it. Her breeding was to be polite, and she was, and I appreciated 68 00:05:12,540 --> 00:05:17,560 it. In the 1970s, Randy Hurst... title was publisher of the San Francisco 69 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,920 Examiner. He would come into the office, although not be there necessarily every 70 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,480 day. He would be working at the paper, and then he'd say, well, tomorrow I'm 71 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,360 going to go duck hunting, just reminding us inadvertently that he led a very 72 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,500 different kind of life than the rest of us did. 73 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,200 The name Hearst really meant something in America. It was really synonymous 74 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,480 big corporations, big media, and outstanding, over -the -top wealth. 75 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:47,760 To the extent that California held up any family as royalty, you'd have to say 76 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,580 it was the Hearst. And, you know, that made Patty in her own small little way a 77 00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:52,580 princess. 78 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:58,940 Patty's grandfather, William Randolph Hearst, owned dozens of newspapers. 79 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:05,260 And he didn't just own them, he used them for political and economic power. 80 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,560 Hearst was a larger -than -life figure. He was more than a businessman. He was a 81 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,300 celebrity before there were celebrities. 82 00:06:13,130 --> 00:06:19,410 Orson Welles wrote and directed Citizen Kane as the life story of William 83 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:20,410 Randolph Hearst. 84 00:06:21,630 --> 00:06:26,890 Randy and Catherine Hearst lived with their five daughters in Hillsborough, a 85 00:06:26,890 --> 00:06:30,610 very wealthy, beautiful community on the peninsula. 86 00:06:32,170 --> 00:06:37,610 Randy treated Patty, of his five daughters, the most like a son, because 87 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:38,610 tough. 88 00:06:38,830 --> 00:06:41,730 He channeled it on the outings that they went on together. 89 00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:47,480 They went hiking. They went fishing. They went hunting. And he taught her to 90 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:48,480 shoot. 91 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Her relationship to her mother was a lot more problematic. 92 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,620 Catherine was, she was a southern belle. 93 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,880 She was a woman that had come from Georgia, swept off her feet by the 94 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,340 cosmopolitan Hearst air. 95 00:07:04,820 --> 00:07:09,800 I wouldn't call her snobby, but she had an upper class kind of attitude. 96 00:07:10,460 --> 00:07:11,460 Her mother. 97 00:07:11,770 --> 00:07:17,970 wanted Patty to do well in school, come out in society, go to college, but 98 00:07:17,970 --> 00:07:20,330 basically lead her mother's life. 99 00:07:21,290 --> 00:07:26,690 She was in rebellion against some of the strictures that her mother in 100 00:07:26,690 --> 00:07:31,130 particular imposed on her, like convent schools. 101 00:07:31,530 --> 00:07:37,510 She loathed convent schools, and she got thrown out of several of them. 102 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,240 She wanted independence. 103 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,660 She really wanted to become an adult, was really what it was. 104 00:07:51,260 --> 00:07:57,020 I was just a college student at Berkeley, and I was living with my 105 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,920 You know, I was just like a dumb 19 -year -old, that's about it. 106 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,840 We lived in a two -story townhouse. 107 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,400 There was... 108 00:08:07,690 --> 00:08:10,790 Still kind of a dicey street scene in Berkeley. 109 00:08:11,410 --> 00:08:12,410 Petty crime. 110 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:14,350 It was fairly rampant. 111 00:08:15,130 --> 00:08:19,830 I think three days before the kidnapping, a couple showed up at night 112 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:23,150 little bit sketchy, asking about rentals. 113 00:08:23,490 --> 00:08:25,110 It didn't seem right. 114 00:08:25,370 --> 00:08:30,030 In retrospect, obviously, they were checking us out. But at the time, we 115 00:08:30,030 --> 00:08:33,990 dismissed it as another, you know, random Berkeley kind of thing. 116 00:08:34,390 --> 00:08:35,950 But we weren't at all paranoid. 117 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:44,740 We just finished having dinner, watching a TV show, and getting ready to study, 118 00:08:44,860 --> 00:08:47,900 and there was a knock on the door. There was a woman at the front door. 119 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,460 There was a person standing there, and I had moved into the kitchen. And what I 120 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:58,300 could hear was that they thought they'd hit a car downstairs, they said, and 121 00:08:58,300 --> 00:08:59,300 could they use the phone? 122 00:09:01,060 --> 00:09:04,320 And then with that, people just burst into the apartment. 123 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,860 It couldn't have been three or four seconds before two men pushed through 124 00:09:15,860 --> 00:09:16,860 front door. 125 00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:22,040 They pushed me back, shouting, get your face on the floor, get your face on the 126 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,740 floor. Your mind's come trying to grips with, what is this? What's going on? 127 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,440 They started kicking me and hitting me. 128 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,240 There was just a gun in my face, and I was pushed down to the kitchen floor. 129 00:09:35,850 --> 00:09:41,410 I was tied up and gagged and blindfolded, and I bit down on the gag 130 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:44,810 had just assumed that they were going to burglarize the apartment. 131 00:09:45,950 --> 00:09:50,630 At about that point, they started demanding, where's the safe, where's the 132 00:09:50,630 --> 00:09:54,950 money? I was trying to figure out what was happening, and the natural 133 00:09:54,950 --> 00:09:56,230 is that it was a robbery. 134 00:09:56,510 --> 00:09:59,130 I could hear Patty whimpering in the other room. 135 00:09:59,950 --> 00:10:01,430 I said, we don't have a safe. 136 00:10:02,090 --> 00:10:04,130 Take anything you want, just leave us alone. 137 00:10:04,830 --> 00:10:07,790 Every time I'd look up, they'd kick me in the face. 138 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:15,850 I do remember the woman saying, they've seen our faces, we have to get rid of 139 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:16,850 them. 140 00:10:17,830 --> 00:10:20,210 We had this $1 bottle of romance wine. 141 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:25,170 And they grabbed one and started hitting me on the head with it really hard. 142 00:10:25,830 --> 00:10:28,870 And even if he's not trying to kill me, he's going to. He's going to bash my 143 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:30,990 head. It's like they're going to kill us. 144 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,180 By this time, my eyes were full of blood. I couldn't really see. 145 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,220 I lurched up. 146 00:10:37,660 --> 00:10:44,180 Instead of running out the front door, I just went running around the living 147 00:10:44,180 --> 00:10:50,160 room, yelling at the top of my lungs, knocking over furniture, knocking over 148 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,160 plants, 149 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,760 just banging into things, just hoping the distraction would drive them away. 150 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,260 I opened the door, went out on the back patio. 151 00:11:00,860 --> 00:11:03,720 jumped over the fence, started banging on the neighbor's door. 152 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,060 Even in my state of delirium, I could tell that they weren't going to answer 153 00:11:09,060 --> 00:11:12,720 door. I could realize I was terrifying somebody inside. 154 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:15,600 I assumed it was a robbery going bad. 155 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,960 I didn't know at the time, of course. I learned a lot later that it was the SLA. 156 00:11:23,420 --> 00:11:28,880 Patty Hearst was kidnapped by a small, violent, revolutionary group called the 157 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:29,880 SLA. 158 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,580 To understand the SLA, you have to understand Berkeley in 1973. 159 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,520 And to understand Berkeley in 1973, you have to understand the 60s and what San 160 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Francisco became. 161 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:47,860 If you were radical in the 60s and early 70s, if you wanted 162 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:51,800 to change the world, you were at least giving a passing thought to going to 163 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:52,800 Berkeley. 164 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,420 It had become... 165 00:11:54,890 --> 00:12:00,330 a huge melting pot for young people who wanted a brighter, more beautiful 166 00:12:00,330 --> 00:12:01,330 future. 167 00:12:02,250 --> 00:12:05,250 There was so much turmoil in those years. 168 00:12:05,890 --> 00:12:10,430 There had been the civil rights movement and then the anti -war movement, and 169 00:12:10,430 --> 00:12:14,570 young people were rebellious, they were protesting, and they had a sense of 170 00:12:14,570 --> 00:12:18,930 power, that we can make a difference, that we could end the war in Vietnam. 171 00:12:21,330 --> 00:12:24,050 By the 70s, there was... 172 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:29,850 anger and an incredible amount of violence that we can hardly imagine 173 00:12:30,790 --> 00:12:35,430 It was as close to a revolutionary situation in some people's minds as we'd 174 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:36,430 had. 175 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:43,030 Once you get beat up a few times by the cops when you protest, you have to make 176 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:48,470 a choice between turning the other cheek or do something more extraordinary in 177 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:49,470 reaction. 178 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,660 to the violence of the state. They were killing us on college campuses. 179 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Nixon is definitely looking at students as the enemies in the country right now. 180 00:13:00,860 --> 00:13:02,080 We have to go underground. 181 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:03,860 I think it looks pretty bad for us. 182 00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:10,100 A lot of these groups got even more radical because they believed that there 183 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:15,640 should be a revolution, that it will be an armed revolution that needs to 184 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,220 overthrow the government. And so a lot of these groups... 185 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,460 They studied basic Marx, they studied Lenin, they studied communism in 186 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:29,020 underground cells, and they truly believed that the only way that you 187 00:13:29,020 --> 00:13:32,520 change a society for the better was to have this armed revolution. 188 00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:37,500 We felt that we had to kind of ramp up the response. 189 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,460 Shit was hitting the fan everywhere. 190 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:46,500 I didn't come to this conclusion to do what I was doing in two weeks or a 191 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:48,950 You know, it was a huge evolution. 192 00:13:50,190 --> 00:13:52,210 I graduated high school in 1963. 193 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:58,350 The civil rights movement was ramping up, but I had no political consciousness 194 00:13:58,350 --> 00:13:59,350 of any kind. 195 00:14:01,050 --> 00:14:03,130 Vietnam totally flipped my perspective. 196 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:08,370 My first day in Vietnam, I had to witness the torture of a Vietnamese 197 00:14:08,830 --> 00:14:13,890 When you get in that kind of a level of conflict, it's really hard to adjust 198 00:14:13,890 --> 00:14:14,890 coming back home. 199 00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:19,280 Really, Vietnam was the precursor to the SLA. 200 00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:23,300 I met Emily late January of 1968. 201 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,220 She was a sorority girl. 202 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:32,200 You know, Emily evolved during our relationship from a person that didn't 203 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,660 any politics to somebody that felt strongly about her politics. 204 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,000 And as she got more involved in women's issues, she became more and more 205 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,980 radicalized from her own self -interest. 206 00:14:45,070 --> 00:14:48,550 Emily and I got married in November of 1971. 207 00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:53,470 We moved to the Bay Area to get involved in political work. 208 00:14:54,650 --> 00:14:59,330 I looked up an old friend from college that I found out was getting more deeply 209 00:14:59,330 --> 00:15:00,430 involved in things. 210 00:15:00,850 --> 00:15:04,990 I met Angela Atwood in the theater department of Indiana University. 211 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:11,790 She always had ideas influenced by... modern feminist thinking, and, 212 00:15:11,790 --> 00:15:15,670 you know, she went through dramatic changes during the same period. 213 00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:20,050 The three of us were interested in getting more deeply involved in things. 214 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:25,830 We didn't really know anybody to hook up with until I met Joe Romero. 215 00:15:27,210 --> 00:15:30,730 Joe invited me to a community meeting. 216 00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:36,330 It was at this meeting that I met another future comrade, Russ Little. 217 00:15:36,770 --> 00:15:39,170 We started planning for the future. 218 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:45,080 We're kind of on a path to where this shit is going to necessarily escalate. 219 00:15:45,340 --> 00:15:48,360 We're going to catch people's attention because we're going to do something 220 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,360 audacious. 221 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,620 Patty and I, we just had a really good life together. 222 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,620 She was fun -loving. She was easy to get along with. 223 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,560 We had great times together. 224 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:07,340 We'd travel not just to St. 225 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Simeon and Wintune and the other Hearst places, but we went on road trips 226 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:18,520 together, and Patty was really getting anchored in her art history, and 227 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,500 everything seemed like it was heading in the right direction. 228 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:27,400 Patty and I decided we should get married. 229 00:16:29,140 --> 00:16:32,840 We announced our engagement through the examiner, of course. 230 00:16:34,570 --> 00:16:35,870 And we were looking forward to it. 231 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:42,970 While Steve Weed and Patty Hearst are going about their everyday business in 232 00:16:42,970 --> 00:16:48,210 Berkeley, the SLA is starting to form in a very different place, in a prison. 233 00:16:51,950 --> 00:16:56,630 One of the key aspects of the political environment in the Bay Area was the 234 00:16:56,630 --> 00:16:57,630 prison movement. 235 00:16:57,690 --> 00:17:02,790 For a lot of radicals in the 70s, prison symbolized everything that was wrong 236 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:03,810 with American society. 237 00:17:04,349 --> 00:17:09,390 It's racism, it's violence, it's oppression of poor people. And the 238 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:14,230 the prisons as a place where they could foment revolutionary change. 239 00:17:15,069 --> 00:17:20,770 At that time, Joe and Russ were doing work inside the California prison 240 00:17:21,109 --> 00:17:27,710 It's inherently political if the process of the system hammers 241 00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:30,490 people of color more than white people. 242 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:34,480 This is the beginning of things like mass incarceration. 243 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:36,520 This is how we deal with poverty. 244 00:17:37,420 --> 00:17:38,540 We lock it up. 245 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,180 Since Berkeley was the epicenter of the protest movement, it was a place where 246 00:17:46,180 --> 00:17:49,660 radicals wanted to try to spread the gospel to prisons. 247 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,820 And the nearest prison was Vacaville. 248 00:17:54,540 --> 00:18:00,300 And so you had this pipeline where students and ex -students at Berkeley 249 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:07,180 go to Vacaville sort of as teachers, but really as political organizers. 250 00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:15,120 One prisoner really stood out as the leader of the political 251 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:19,100 group in the prison, and that was Donald DeVries. 252 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,280 Donald DeVries was... 253 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:25,290 basically a professional criminal. 254 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:29,330 He'd been in and out of prison his whole life, but what landed him there for the 255 00:18:29,330 --> 00:18:35,950 last time was when he beat up a prostitute, stole a check from her, and 256 00:18:35,950 --> 00:18:37,530 cash it, and he got caught. 257 00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:45,050 Willie Wolfe was an upper -middle -class kid, a physician's son from New 258 00:18:45,050 --> 00:18:50,070 Milford, Connecticut, who went to Berkeley to try to be an archaeologist. 259 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,160 But in short order, he became radicalized. 260 00:18:54,420 --> 00:19:00,140 And he became part of this group that spent its time going to Vacaville 261 00:19:00,260 --> 00:19:07,240 And he became friends with Donald DeVries, Joe Romero, and Russ 262 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,240 Little. 263 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:11,100 DeVries had a plan. 264 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,640 Back then, all the jobs in the prison were done by a convict. 265 00:19:16,389 --> 00:19:20,570 DeVries knew enough from talking to other prisoners that manning the boilers 266 00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:21,710 a job outside the fence. 267 00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:26,270 And the first time they sent him to his job, he stayed there for a couple hours 268 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:27,270 and he was gone. 269 00:19:29,370 --> 00:19:30,850 I'm not certain who picked him up. 270 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:33,490 I always thought it was Willie. 271 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:39,650 When DeVries escaped, that was the beginning of the SLA. 272 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:45,210 Donald DeVries goes to the only place he knows. 273 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:47,660 that he's likely to get a warm welcome. 274 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,980 And that's Berkeley. 275 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,260 He hooks up on the outside with some of the students who had been visiting him 276 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:55,260 on the inside. 277 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,980 And that includes Joe Romero, Willie Wolf, Russ Little. And in their social 278 00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:07,000 circle are Nancy Ling Perry and Ms. Moon Soltysik. 279 00:20:08,260 --> 00:20:13,700 Ms. Moon and Nancy wind up moving in with Donald DeVries. 280 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:18,510 they start coming up with these ideas about revolutionary change. 281 00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:24,150 The three of them become the nucleus of the Symbionese Liberation Army. 282 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:30,590 The Symbionese Liberation Army committed a horrendous crime before kidnapping 283 00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:36,850 Patty Hearst. That incident gets lost when we talk about the Patty Hearst 284 00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:37,850 kidnap. 285 00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:40,650 During the fall of 1973, 286 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:43,530 Donald DeVries is a fugitive. 287 00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:45,910 So he can't be out and about. 288 00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:49,730 So he sits in the apartment and he stews. 289 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:56,650 And then one night on TV, DeVries sees a piece on the Oakland superintendent of 290 00:20:56,650 --> 00:21:02,330 schools. The schools cannot do the job of education in the big cities alone. 291 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,370 Marcus Foster became a controversial figure. 292 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,420 partially because he was trying to have a police presence in the schools and 293 00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:17,400 establish a kind of ID system for the students. 294 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,480 The concern was that the police would be in the schools not to protect the 295 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,220 students, but to control them. 296 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,820 DeVries became convinced that Foster had to be killed. 297 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:36,420 One night, Marcus Foster... 298 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:41,860 was walking from the school board building to his car. 299 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,020 They waited for the end of a school board meeting. 300 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:56,180 And as he walked into the parking lot, they shot Marcus Foster dead at point 301 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:57,180 -blank range. 302 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,780 The theory was that DeVries, Nancy Ling Perry, and Ms. Moon Soltysik were the 303 00:22:07,780 --> 00:22:11,620 shooters, and Joe Romero and Russ Little were the lookouts. 304 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,000 Romero and Little had guns with them, but they were not involved in the 305 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,140 shooting. In the communicator newspapers, the SLA took credit for 306 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:23,460 murder. It was the first time anyone had ever heard of the group. 307 00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:28,840 They were proud of what they had done, and they put out a press release or a 308 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,680 statement saying they had done this. 309 00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:37,170 The SLA was not indiscriminately issuing death words for Foster, Blackburn, or 310 00:22:37,170 --> 00:22:38,170 anyone else. 311 00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:42,730 Such an attack was the only means left open to us to demand that the people's 312 00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:47,270 wishes be met and that all such dangerous genocidal programs be stopped. 313 00:22:48,370 --> 00:22:51,710 I was surprised by it. I didn't know they even existed. 314 00:22:51,930 --> 00:22:53,670 So I was thinking, oh my goodness. 315 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:56,030 I mean, hell, I thought the Panthers did it. 316 00:22:56,650 --> 00:23:01,250 The bullets that were used to kill him were cyanide -tipped. 317 00:23:01,490 --> 00:23:05,270 They knew how to draw attention to themselves. 318 00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:12,150 I've never heard of anybody putting cyanide into a lethal round. I've never 319 00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:15,130 heard of that. So it was a mark of the SLA. 320 00:23:15,410 --> 00:23:18,190 My reaction was, who the hell are these guys? 321 00:23:18,510 --> 00:23:21,190 We better find out who they are and what they're about. 322 00:23:35,639 --> 00:23:41,200 Patty and I had no interest in politics. Politics was not part of our life. It 323 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,900 was not part of Patty's life in any respect whatsoever. 324 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:51,140 I'm emphasizing that because a lot has been said that paints her as somebody 325 00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:52,680 who was already picking up politics. 326 00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:54,820 It's not true. 327 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,040 There was even a theory floated later, very seriously by a lot of people, that 328 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,440 she had been in on her own kidnapping. 329 00:24:01,780 --> 00:24:02,780 It's crazy. 330 00:24:04,139 --> 00:24:08,240 We're very much in the middle of the counterculture movement, but it just did 331 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,700 not affect us one way or another. 332 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:17,560 Everybody had heard of the SLA because of the assassination of Marcus Foster. 333 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,480 was all in the news. We heard about it, but we didn't know anything about the 334 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,920 people that were in the SLA. 335 00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:38,030 did have a dramatic sense about him. He was the one who came up with the name of 336 00:24:38,030 --> 00:24:39,650 the Symbionese Liberation Army. 337 00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:45,270 Symbionese, which was based on symbiosis between students and prisoners. 338 00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:51,690 De Vries, too, came up with the logo of the seven -headed cobra. 339 00:24:52,030 --> 00:24:58,670 And the seven values of each head of the cobra were the same values 340 00:24:58,670 --> 00:25:03,920 that underline the African holiday of Kwanzaa. 341 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:11,880 It would certainly be a mistake to think that the Symbionese Liberation Army had 342 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,040 some sort of clear agenda for change. 343 00:25:15,420 --> 00:25:22,340 They believed if you engaged in small -scale but 344 00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:29,120 intense violent struggle, that would set off a larger revolution. 345 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,300 How it would work, what they would do, was very unclear. 346 00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:42,820 The SLA in killing Marcus Foster established that they were completely 347 00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:47,840 isolated, even from possible allies in the counterculture. 348 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,080 But then they get three new recruits. 349 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,400 We were approached and asked if we wanted to meet the people who carried 350 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,400 Foster assassination. 351 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,860 Emily and I and Angela were taken to a location where hoods were put over our 352 00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:09,740 head, and we were led into a van, and we were transported up to a place we 353 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:11,220 didn't know where we were. We had no idea. 354 00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:15,240 Emily and Angela and I were just, you know, trying to understand what was 355 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,100 on and listening to what they had to say. 356 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:24,880 Because of the nature of the foster assassination, I was prepared to 357 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,880 not be impressed. 358 00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:31,410 were not happy with that particular operation. 359 00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:37,410 I think they were troubled by it enough to talk to Emily and me and Angela about 360 00:26:37,410 --> 00:26:41,450 hooking up with them and separating off into a separate cell. That was my 361 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:42,610 intention always. 362 00:26:43,910 --> 00:26:49,510 Combination of impatience, despair, the real malaise of my own existence, you 363 00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:54,370 know, and the ineffectualness of the left was what caused me to make this 364 00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:55,370 decision. 365 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:04,000 We're about the beginning of January, okay, of 1974, when we 366 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,420 finally come to that decision. 367 00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:12,240 January 10th, 1974, literally changed my 368 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,220 whole life and all of my plans. 369 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:24,200 Joe and Ross were driving in their van back to the safe house. They were... 370 00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:27,380 running errands, picking up guns that had been altered. 371 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,420 They went to a printing unit and picked up a stack of drawings of the seven 372 00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:33,219 -headed cobra. 373 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:38,580 The leaflets were propaganda presenting what the program at the SLA was in hopes 374 00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:39,800 of recruiting comrades. 375 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,460 I don't even think they noticed the cop, and all of a sudden he pulls them over 376 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:46,460 out of the blue. 377 00:27:58,090 --> 00:28:03,710 Instead of coming back to the driver's side, he goes to the passenger's side 378 00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:05,850 tells Joe to get out of the van. 379 00:28:07,330 --> 00:28:13,450 They're both armed, and they have illegal guns and some leaflets that 380 00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:16,310 them to something much more serious. 381 00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:26,830 They ended up in a shootout at close quarters that had both of them so 382 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:28,820 out. that they missed each other. 383 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:32,460 The 384 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:43,660 leaflets, 385 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:50,160 however, were a big, big problem that connects them to the Foster 386 00:28:54,129 --> 00:28:58,870 Joe or the rest of them, he had a Walther PPK that was one of the murder 387 00:28:58,870 --> 00:29:04,330 that he had let one of the women use to shoot Foster. 388 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:11,230 They were charged with being the actual shooters of Marcus Foster, and they were 389 00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:12,230 not. 390 00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:16,970 And I realized that very soon it would be determined that they were associated 391 00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:17,970 with us. 392 00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:22,750 And so in reality, what we're going to have to do is we're going to have to 393 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:23,750 disappear. 394 00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:33,050 Joseph Romero and Russell Little were arrested for Foster's murder. 395 00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:36,830 They refused to talk about their membership in the Symbionese Liberation 396 00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:42,550 Joe and Russ were arrested a few blocks away from the safe house. 397 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:46,790 There were so many cops in the area trying to figure out what was going on 398 00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:49,970 free Nancy and Ms. Moon. They had to abandon that safe house. 399 00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:55,490 They had things that were stored in this house, and it had been a safe house, 400 00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:57,910 I'm not even sure for how long, but a long time. 401 00:29:58,890 --> 00:30:00,170 Boxes and boxes of stuff. 402 00:30:01,010 --> 00:30:07,070 After they soaked the house in about 20 gallons of gasoline, they attempted to 403 00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:08,090 torch the house. 404 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:12,650 And unfortunately, someone lowered the garage door. 405 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:15,670 All the windows were closed because it was wintertime. 406 00:30:16,210 --> 00:30:20,810 But when they closed the garage door, it cut off the oxygen to the fire and 407 00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:24,990 immediately went out and left everything in perfect condition almost for the 408 00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:26,610 feds and the police to go through. 409 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,300 In the house in which they lived in a quiet San Francisco suburb, police found 410 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:35,300 weapons, 411 00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:39,420 revolutionary literature, and material linking them to the SLA. 412 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,420 My original decision was to be with some people federated with the SLA. 413 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:48,560 Okay? There's a distinction in my mind. 414 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,360 And ten days later, John Russell arrested. 415 00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:56,920 And that throws everything out the window. The circumstances had made our 416 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,689 for us. 417 00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:58,890 We were going underground immediately. 418 00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:05,970 At this point, the SLA consisted of Bill Harris, Emily Harris, and Angela 419 00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:12,610 Atwood, Donald DeFreeze, Willie Wolf, Nancy Ling Perry, and Ms. Moon 420 00:31:12,610 --> 00:31:17,690 Soltysik. And she had a lover named Camilla Hall, and she also joined the 421 00:31:20,770 --> 00:31:23,710 When the police start... 422 00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:29,880 going through the Concord House, they start to find the SLA's list, and on one 423 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,060 of the lists is possible kidnap victims. 424 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:39,980 And there is a young college student named Patricia Hurst, because they had 425 00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:42,940 her engagement announcement in the San Francisco Examiner. 426 00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:50,080 The police never warned anyone on that list. 427 00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:58,010 The months and months before we were ever introduced to the members of the 428 00:31:58,210 --> 00:32:05,110 they had been acquiring intelligence on potential local targets, 429 00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:11,330 including maybe a couple of news articles announcing Patricia's betrothal 430 00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:12,810 Stephen Weed. 431 00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:19,110 Articles didn't say where she lived, but they gave enough information to easily 432 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:20,110 find it out. 433 00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:24,910 The decision to kidnap Patricia Hearst was the direct result of Joe and Russ's 434 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:25,910 arrest. 435 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:31,730 We had to do it as a matter of principle, possibly work toward an 436 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:39,010 It also was a result of our general politics and who we targeted in our 437 00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:41,170 minds as being enemies of the people. 438 00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:47,900 We had already determined that Hearst was a particular easy target and that 439 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:52,140 propaganda that could be generated from it was perfect. 440 00:32:53,360 --> 00:33:00,060 Bill and Emily and Angela came out of the theater program at Indiana 441 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,160 And this was a time when theater had a very political component. 442 00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:07,900 It was known as guerrilla theater. 443 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:10,600 And they believed in using... 444 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:17,640 in using propaganda as a way of exposing the 445 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,080 contradictions in modern society and recruiting people to their cause. 446 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:30,320 One idea that Bill and the others start to discuss is instead of killing people, 447 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,240 why don't we kidnap someone? 448 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,940 Why don't we use someone as a living pawn to 449 00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:42,500 symbolize the nature of our revolutionary activity. 450 00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:51,280 Emily and I and Angela's influence was to do things that were more inspiring 451 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,440 that weren't as scary. 452 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:56,840 We had to do things that not only inspired people because they were 453 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,720 forceful, but they had to be relevant. 454 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,360 Patricia Hearst was a symbolic target. She was an heiress. Her family 455 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:11,870 was... in control of a media empire that we viewed as 456 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:15,989 an arm of propaganda for the United States government. 457 00:34:16,989 --> 00:34:21,310 She was more of an innocent, if there ever was one, which we're trying to 458 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:24,730 explain is the symbolic connection to Joe and Russ. 459 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:26,810 She's innocent, they're innocent. 460 00:34:27,429 --> 00:34:30,770 We're going to treat her like you're supposed to treat them. 461 00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:37,010 It didn't take us long to do the surveillance. 462 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:38,570 She was in an ideal location. 463 00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:39,889 There was no security. 464 00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:46,210 Her front door was right there, handy -dandy. And her apartment was blocked 465 00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:51,130 the street, so there wasn't going to be a lot of easy sidelines for people to 466 00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:52,510 see what was going on or even hear. 467 00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:55,949 I think it was a weeknight that we chose. 468 00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:01,930 Everybody in the group was involved in the operation. 469 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,740 Willie's driving, Ms. Moon's the passenger. In the VW, Emily's car is 470 00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:09,720 about three spaces down the street. 471 00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:12,520 Camilla was driving the getaway car. 472 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:19,340 And DeVries, me, and Angela had to handle everything that went on inside 473 00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:20,340 house. 474 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:21,900 Everybody's armed. 475 00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:26,240 It was dark, and so nobody saw us going up there. 476 00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:37,440 Nobody saw us going up there. 477 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,880 I kind of recall being on the right of the door and DeFreeze was on the left. 478 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:45,160 DeFreeze and I bracketed the door where they couldn't see us. 479 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,060 Knock on the door. 480 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,460 Angela alluded to an accident and asked to use the phone. 481 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,720 DeFreeze grabs Wheat and put him on the ground. 482 00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,400 Angela pounced on Patricia and started to secure her with clothesline -type 483 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,490 rope. And so I'm basically standing there with my machine gun now in plain 484 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:06,810 making sure nobody came back in or out. 485 00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:11,310 DeVries had some belief that they're so rich they must have a safe. 486 00:36:14,330 --> 00:36:17,370 DeVries is demanding to know where the safe is, you know. 487 00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:21,890 And, of course, they're flummoxed. We don't have a safe, you know. He has no 488 00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:26,850 idea that we're kidnapping his fiancée. He was scared shitless. 489 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:31,560 I remember him saying, don't harm us, take whatever you want. 490 00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:38,560 DeVries kept telling me, keep your fucking head down. He kept looking up. 491 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,980 almost like a total compulsion. 492 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:43,980 All he had to do was lay there. 493 00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:45,560 Nothing would have happened to him. 494 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,000 All of a sudden, Weed jumps up and is hauling ass right at me to escape from 495 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000 front door. 496 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,080 And, man, I'm not planning on this. He's like, you know, 6 '1", 6 '2". He's a 497 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,080 tall, skinny guy. 498 00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:02,160 And, you know, I'm 5 '6", 145 pounds, man. 499 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,840 I'm a little light in the ass. But now I got to make sure that he doesn't leave. 500 00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:12,600 I'm like, oh, fuck, here we go. So he comes up screaming, and he's like 501 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,720 me dead in the face. 502 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,160 And I just come up with my machine gun, and I whack him in his chin. Bam! 503 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,400 and knock him back. I got him a good one, and he fell back, and I think then 504 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,240 freeze knocked him out some more. 505 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,340 You know, Weed was not in a position to do much of anything, and he ended up 506 00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:34,040 looking bad about it, you know? 507 00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:39,160 He didn't get himself shot, so big fucking deal, you know? It's like, you 508 00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:42,160 yeah, I guess he could have got himself shot, and then he would look like Roy, 509 00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,880 but he'd be a dead Weed instead of a live Weed. 510 00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:47,620 Earth is tied up in Gagnon blindfolded. 511 00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:53,790 She's a petite person, so I pick her up and I sling her over my shoulder in a 512 00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:56,250 fireman's carry and proceed to leave with her. 513 00:37:56,530 --> 00:37:59,550 I leave DeFries and Angela in the apartment. 514 00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:02,990 Weed. He jumps up again and screams out of the house. 515 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:04,210 And we're gone. 516 00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:08,350 We're gone by that time. He thought he had escaped us. 517 00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:12,130 Come out to the courtyard, walk down the steps next to the garage. 518 00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:18,830 I was losing control of her on my shoulder. I reached down, and I opened 519 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:19,749 to the trunk. 520 00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:26,050 As soon as I let go of the trunk and take my left hand to further secure her, 521 00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:31,270 the damn spring on the trunk immediately shuts the lid and locks it. 522 00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:36,430 She's tied up in mine, so I set her down, and I run around to the side of 523 00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:39,210 car. Give me the key. So I get the key again. I come back around. 524 00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:41,350 She's not even there. 525 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,080 Fuck! I unlocked the fucking trunk, and I realized I gotta, like, not do it too 526 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,100 hard, and I closed it slightly, and I started looking for her. She's, like, 527 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:53,680 there. And so I look around, and sure enough, she's hobbled into the fucking 528 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,680 garage. 529 00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:56,920 Go and grab her and throw her in the trunk. 530 00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:03,480 I must have made too much racket. 531 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,420 Neighbors, who were situated across from her and next door to her, came out of 532 00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:09,420 their apartment. 533 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,640 DeVries turned around. 534 00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:14,630 Blasted four or five rounds to get them to back off. 535 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:18,170 That woke up Nancy, who's sitting shotgun in Emily's car. 536 00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:20,850 And so she got off a few rounds, too. 537 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,910 We're ready to boogie. Willie can see that we're ready to go. He pulls out of 538 00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:27,509 his spot. 539 00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:29,890 We pull out of the driveway, come up behind him. 540 00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:34,790 Emily comes up behind us. We make it around the corner. All of a sudden, out 541 00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:40,410 nowhere, here comes a Berkeley cop who stops. 542 00:39:40,990 --> 00:39:43,390 The VW with Willie and Ms. Moon in it. 543 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:51,810 Now, this is not even 30 seconds after all this 544 00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:52,810 gunfire. 545 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:59,170 I'm thinking this is the cop responding to the fucking gunfire. 546 00:39:59,610 --> 00:40:03,170 So now we're armed to the gills, and here we are. We're going to get a 547 00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:07,530 with a cop. If he's detaining the lead car, we can't move. 548 00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:09,530 We're going to have to blast this guy. 549 00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:14,360 And then we see the lights come on in the VW. 550 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,460 The cops stopped them because they didn't have their lights on. 551 00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:24,260 And he rolled up his window and moved past us. 552 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,560 He's going by. 553 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,060 I'm looking at him. 554 00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:31,940 He's going like, I can see him do this as he's driving by. So the call's coming 555 00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:32,940 in to him. 556 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,740 He just happened to show up a little bit late. 557 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,440 And we got to wait. 558 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,160 On a big kidnapping on the West Coast, the victim is Patricia Hurst. 559 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,100 Mom, Dad, I'm okay. 560 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,620 She was clearly terrorized. Do what they say, Dad, just do it quickly. 561 00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:02,860 Just flat out barking mad. 562 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,760 She desperately did not want to go home. We had to prove that. 563 00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:11,630 Who would have thought that Patricia Hearst would be robbing a bank as a 564 00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:12,630 revolutionary act? 565 00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:14,870 She was ready to shoot anything that got in her way. 566 00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:18,470 I think she was spectacular. 567 00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:20,710 She's a victim of thought control. 568 00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:28,030 56 days in the closet turned her into an urban gorilla. The police wanted to be 569 00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:29,690 the ones that caught us or killed us. 570 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:36,210 It is the longest, most intense shootout in the city's history. 571 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,400 There isn't a 20 % chance she's going to get out of this. 572 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,440 Patty had dramatically changed. Something, something snapped. 573 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,900 She's not a stereotypical Hollywood victim. 574 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,720 We kidnapped a freak. 53248

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