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Our first guest, Patty Hearst, the
victim of the most bizarre kidnapping
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in American history.
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Carried, kicking and screaming from her
California apartment, shoved into the
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trunk of a car and fed off into the
night.
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Four months later, she stunned the world
with the announcement that she joined
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her captors. She became a gun -toting
revolutionary and was branded a common
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criminal. Less than 30 minutes ago, we
arrested Patty Hearst at 625... Four
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counts of robbery.
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Five pounds of assault with a deadly
weapon with intent to murder.
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Authorities said they found 10 automatic
weapons in the Hearst apartment.
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How in the world does the granddaughter
of William Randolph Hearst become a
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terrorist?
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The Seminese Liberation Army kidnapped
someone from American nobility.
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It's a story that is violent.
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I was kidnapped by terrorists,
brutalized by them, a threat constantly
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you'll be killed if you don't cooperate.
It finally breaks you down.
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My name is William Taylor Harris.
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Ask me a question.
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Did you kidnap Patty Hearst?
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I personally took Patty Hearst out of
her apartment and put her into a getaway
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car.
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Reality isn't always on the surface, you
know.
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Sometimes you have to look a little bit
deeper to see what's real.
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Is she America's most famous crime
victim?
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Or is she the most famous rich turncoat
in American history?
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The granddaughter of William Randolph
Hearst was abducted by two men and a
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in a bizarre kidnapping.
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No ransom note, no phone calls, no word,
nothing.
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The SLA is the people's army and we
fight in their interest.
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The FBI said the girl in the wig with
the automatic rifle was Patricia Hearst.
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Rich college girl turned armed terrorist
in a matter of weeks.
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Southern California's largest manhunt
continues.
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For someone my age, I've been through an
awful lot.
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We don't know where she is.
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Mom, Dad, I'm okay.
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Looking at it 40 or 45 years later,
however long it's been, it wasn't a
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story.
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When somebody you love is close to you
is kidnapped, it's a particular
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kind of torture that it's very hard to
understand unless it's actually happened
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to you. She did change. And it wasn't
too many months before I realized that
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weren't getting back together.
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Everything was crushed. It was gone. It
was done.
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But I'm just trying to try, you know, if
it was a documentary and you want the
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history. You want to know what it was
like before the kidnapping. That's my
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answer.
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1972,
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I went to work at Crystal Springs
teaching math and geometry. It was a
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private girl's school, and she came to
some guitar classes I was giving.
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I don't think she really was interested
in learning the guitar. She just wanted
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to... hang out with one of the older
teachers.
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That was the first introduction, and
then she would find ways to talk to me,
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then finally one day she just showed up
at my house for some math tutoring, and
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that became a constant thing eventually.
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Patty and Steve have always said that
their romance began when Steve was 23
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she was 16.
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By my accounting, It may well have been
she was 15, but as both Steve and Patty
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have subsequently said, it was Patty who
targeted Steve for romance first, not
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the other way around.
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I never would have initiated something
like that, but I was receptive over
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She knew what she wanted, and she just
went for it, and she was kind of
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fearless, actually.
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Patty was just 18 years old when she
decided to move in with Steve Weed, and
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they got a nice little apartment very
near the campus of Berkeley.
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Her father was pretty easygoing about
it. How are you going to shack up with
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daughter?
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Well, you just treat her nicely. The
mother was very unhappy about it, but
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didn't show it. Her breeding was to be
polite, and she was, and I appreciated
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it. In the 1970s, Randy Hurst... title
was publisher of the San Francisco
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Examiner. He would come into the office,
although not be there necessarily every
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day. He would be working at the paper,
and then he'd say, well, tomorrow I'm
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going to go duck hunting, just reminding
us inadvertently that he led a very
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different kind of life than the rest of
us did.
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The name Hearst really meant something
in America. It was really synonymous
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big corporations, big media, and
outstanding, over -the -top wealth.
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To the extent that California held up
any family as royalty, you'd have to say
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it was the Hearst. And, you know, that
made Patty in her own small little way a
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princess.
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Patty's grandfather, William Randolph
Hearst, owned dozens of newspapers.
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And he didn't just own them, he used
them for political and economic power.
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Hearst was a larger -than -life figure.
He was more than a businessman. He was a
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celebrity before there were celebrities.
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Orson Welles wrote and directed Citizen
Kane as the life story of William
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Randolph Hearst.
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Randy and Catherine Hearst lived with
their five daughters in Hillsborough, a
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very wealthy, beautiful community on the
peninsula.
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Randy treated Patty, of his five
daughters, the most like a son, because
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tough.
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He channeled it on the outings that they
went on together.
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They went hiking. They went fishing.
They went hunting. And he taught her to
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shoot.
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Her relationship to her mother was a lot
more problematic.
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Catherine was, she was a southern belle.
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She was a woman that had come from
Georgia, swept off her feet by the
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cosmopolitan Hearst air.
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I wouldn't call her snobby, but she had
an upper class kind of attitude.
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Her mother.
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wanted Patty to do well in school, come
out in society, go to college, but
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basically lead her mother's life.
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She was in rebellion against some of the
strictures that her mother in
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particular imposed on her, like convent
schools.
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She loathed convent schools, and she got
thrown out of several of them.
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She wanted independence.
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She really wanted to become an adult,
was really what it was.
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I was just a college student at
Berkeley, and I was living with my
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You know, I was just like a dumb 19
-year -old, that's about it.
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We lived in a two -story townhouse.
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There was...
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Still kind of a dicey street scene in
Berkeley.
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Petty crime.
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It was fairly rampant.
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I think three days before the
kidnapping, a couple showed up at night
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little bit sketchy, asking about
rentals.
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It didn't seem right.
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In retrospect, obviously, they were
checking us out. But at the time, we
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dismissed it as another, you know,
random Berkeley kind of thing.
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But we weren't at all paranoid.
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We just finished having dinner, watching
a TV show, and getting ready to study,
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and there was a knock on the door. There
was a woman at the front door.
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There was a person standing there, and I
had moved into the kitchen. And what I
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could hear was that they thought they'd
hit a car downstairs, they said, and
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could they use the phone?
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And then with that, people just burst
into the apartment.
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It couldn't have been three or four
seconds before two men pushed through
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front door.
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They pushed me back, shouting, get your
face on the floor, get your face on the
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floor. Your mind's come trying to grips
with, what is this? What's going on?
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They started kicking me and hitting me.
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There was just a gun in my face, and I
was pushed down to the kitchen floor.
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I was tied up and gagged and
blindfolded, and I bit down on the gag
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had just assumed that they were going to
burglarize the apartment.
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At about that point, they started
demanding, where's the safe, where's the
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money? I was trying to figure out what
was happening, and the natural
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is that it was a robbery.
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I could hear Patty whimpering in the
other room.
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I said, we don't have a safe.
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Take anything you want, just leave us
alone.
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Every time I'd look up, they'd kick me
in the face.
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I do remember the woman saying, they've
seen our faces, we have to get rid of
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them.
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We had this $1 bottle of romance wine.
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And they grabbed one and started hitting
me on the head with it really hard.
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And even if he's not trying to kill me,
he's going to. He's going to bash my
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head. It's like they're going to kill
us.
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By this time, my eyes were full of
blood. I couldn't really see.
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I lurched up.
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Instead of running out the front door, I
just went running around the living
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room, yelling at the top of my lungs,
knocking over furniture, knocking over
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plants,
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just banging into things, just hoping
the distraction would drive them away.
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I opened the door, went out on the back
patio.
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jumped over the fence, started banging
on the neighbor's door.
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Even in my state of delirium, I could
tell that they weren't going to answer
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door. I could realize I was terrifying
somebody inside.
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I assumed it was a robbery going bad.
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I didn't know at the time, of course. I
learned a lot later that it was the SLA.
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Patty Hearst was kidnapped by a small,
violent, revolutionary group called the
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SLA.
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To understand the SLA, you have to
understand Berkeley in 1973.
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And to understand Berkeley in 1973, you
have to understand the 60s and what San
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Francisco became.
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If you were radical in the 60s and early
70s, if you wanted
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to change the world, you were at least
giving a passing thought to going to
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Berkeley.
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It had become...
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a huge melting pot for young people who
wanted a brighter, more beautiful
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future.
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There was so much turmoil in those
years.
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There had been the civil rights movement
and then the anti -war movement, and
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young people were rebellious, they were
protesting, and they had a sense of
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power, that we can make a difference,
that we could end the war in Vietnam.
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By the 70s, there was...
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anger and an incredible amount of
violence that we can hardly imagine
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It was as close to a revolutionary
situation in some people's minds as we'd
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had.
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Once you get beat up a few times by the
cops when you protest, you have to make
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a choice between turning the other cheek
or do something more extraordinary in
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reaction.
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to the violence of the state. They were
killing us on college campuses.
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Nixon is definitely looking at students
as the enemies in the country right now.
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We have to go underground.
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I think it looks pretty bad for us.
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A lot of these groups got even more
radical because they believed that there
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should be a revolution, that it will be
an armed revolution that needs to
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overthrow the government. And so a lot
of these groups...
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They studied basic Marx, they studied
Lenin, they studied communism in
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underground cells, and they truly
believed that the only way that you
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change a society for the better was to
have this armed revolution.
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We felt that we had to kind of ramp up
the response.
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Shit was hitting the fan everywhere.
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I didn't come to this conclusion to do
what I was doing in two weeks or a
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You know, it was a huge evolution.
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I graduated high school in 1963.
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The civil rights movement was ramping
up, but I had no political consciousness
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of any kind.
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Vietnam totally flipped my perspective.
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My first day in Vietnam, I had to
witness the torture of a Vietnamese
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When you get in that kind of a level of
conflict, it's really hard to adjust
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coming back home.
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Really, Vietnam was the precursor to the
SLA.
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I met Emily late January of 1968.
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She was a sorority girl.
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You know, Emily evolved during our
relationship from a person that didn't
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any politics to somebody that felt
strongly about her politics.
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And as she got more involved in women's
issues, she became more and more
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radicalized from her own self -interest.
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Emily and I got married in November of
1971.
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We moved to the Bay Area to get involved
in political work.
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I looked up an old friend from college
that I found out was getting more deeply
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involved in things.
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I met Angela Atwood in the theater
department of Indiana University.
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She always had ideas influenced by...
modern feminist thinking, and,
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you know, she went through dramatic
changes during the same period.
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The three of us were interested in
getting more deeply involved in things.
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We didn't really know anybody to hook up
with until I met Joe Romero.
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Joe invited me to a community meeting.
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It was at this meeting that I met
another future comrade, Russ Little.
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We started planning for the future.
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We're kind of on a path to where this
shit is going to necessarily escalate.
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We're going to catch people's attention
because we're going to do something
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audacious.
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Patty and I, we just had a really good
life together.
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She was fun -loving. She was easy to get
along with.
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We had great times together.
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We'd travel not just to St.
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Simeon and Wintune and the other Hearst
places, but we went on road trips
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together, and Patty was really getting
anchored in her art history, and
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everything seemed like it was heading in
the right direction.
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Patty and I decided we should get
married.
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We announced our engagement through the
examiner, of course.
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And we were looking forward to it.
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While Steve Weed and Patty Hearst are
going about their everyday business in
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Berkeley, the SLA is starting to form in
a very different place, in a prison.
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One of the key aspects of the political
environment in the Bay Area was the
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prison movement.
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For a lot of radicals in the 70s, prison
symbolized everything that was wrong
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with American society.
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It's racism, it's violence, it's
oppression of poor people. And the
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the prisons as a place where they could
foment revolutionary change.
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At that time, Joe and Russ were doing
work inside the California prison
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It's inherently political if the process
of the system hammers
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people of color more than white people.
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This is the beginning of things like
mass incarceration.
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This is how we deal with poverty.
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We lock it up.
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Since Berkeley was the epicenter of the
protest movement, it was a place where
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radicals wanted to try to spread the
gospel to prisons.
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And the nearest prison was Vacaville.
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And so you had this pipeline where
students and ex -students at Berkeley
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go to Vacaville sort of as teachers, but
really as political organizers.
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One prisoner really stood out as the
leader of the political
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group in the prison, and that was Donald
DeVries.
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Donald DeVries was...
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basically a professional criminal.
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He'd been in and out of prison his whole
life, but what landed him there for the
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last time was when he beat up a
prostitute, stole a check from her, and
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cash it, and he got caught.
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Willie Wolfe was an upper -middle -class
kid, a physician's son from New
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Milford, Connecticut, who went to
Berkeley to try to be an archaeologist.
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But in short order, he became
radicalized.
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And he became part of this group that
spent its time going to Vacaville
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And he became friends with Donald
DeVries, Joe Romero, and Russ
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Little.
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DeVries had a plan.
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Back then, all the jobs in the prison
were done by a convict.
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DeVries knew enough from talking to
other prisoners that manning the boilers
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a job outside the fence.
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And the first time they sent him to his
job, he stayed there for a couple hours
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and he was gone.
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I'm not certain who picked him up.
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I always thought it was Willie.
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When DeVries escaped, that was the
beginning of the SLA.
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Donald DeVries goes to the only place he
knows.
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that he's likely to get a warm welcome.
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And that's Berkeley.
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He hooks up on the outside with some of
the students who had been visiting him
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on the inside.
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And that includes Joe Romero, Willie
Wolf, Russ Little. And in their social
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circle are Nancy Ling Perry and Ms. Moon
Soltysik.
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Ms. Moon and Nancy wind up moving in
with Donald DeVries.
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they start coming up with these ideas
about revolutionary change.
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The three of them become the nucleus of
the Symbionese Liberation Army.
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The Symbionese Liberation Army committed
a horrendous crime before kidnapping
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Patty Hearst. That incident gets lost
when we talk about the Patty Hearst
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kidnap.
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During the fall of 1973,
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Donald DeVries is a fugitive.
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So he can't be out and about.
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So he sits in the apartment and he
stews.
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And then one night on TV, DeVries sees a
piece on the Oakland superintendent of
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schools. The schools cannot do the job
of education in the big cities alone.
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Marcus Foster became a controversial
figure.
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partially because he was trying to have
a police presence in the schools and
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establish a kind of ID system for the
students.
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The concern was that the police would be
in the schools not to protect the
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students, but to control them.
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DeVries became convinced that Foster had
to be killed.
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One night, Marcus Foster...
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was walking from the school board
building to his car.
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They waited for the end of a school
board meeting.
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And as he walked into the parking lot,
they shot Marcus Foster dead at point
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-blank range.
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The theory was that DeVries, Nancy Ling
Perry, and Ms. Moon Soltysik were the
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shooters, and Joe Romero and Russ Little
were the lookouts.
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Romero and Little had guns with them,
but they were not involved in the
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shooting. In the communicator
newspapers, the SLA took credit for
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murder. It was the first time anyone had
ever heard of the group.
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They were proud of what they had done,
and they put out a press release or a
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statement saying they had done this.
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The SLA was not indiscriminately issuing
death words for Foster, Blackburn, or
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anyone else.
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Such an attack was the only means left
open to us to demand that the people's
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wishes be met and that all such
dangerous genocidal programs be stopped.
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I was surprised by it. I didn't know
they even existed.
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So I was thinking, oh my goodness.
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I mean, hell, I thought the Panthers did
it.
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The bullets that were used to kill him
were cyanide -tipped.
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They knew how to draw attention to
themselves.
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I've never heard of anybody putting
cyanide into a lethal round. I've never
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heard of that. So it was a mark of the
SLA.
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My reaction was, who the hell are these
guys?
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We better find out who they are and what
they're about.
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Patty and I had no interest in politics.
Politics was not part of our life. It
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was not part of Patty's life in any
respect whatsoever.
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I'm emphasizing that because a lot has
been said that paints her as somebody
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who was already picking up politics.
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It's not true.
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There was even a theory floated later,
very seriously by a lot of people, that
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she had been in on her own kidnapping.
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It's crazy.
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We're very much in the middle of the
counterculture movement, but it just did
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not affect us one way or another.
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Everybody had heard of the SLA because
of the assassination of Marcus Foster.
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was all in the news. We heard about it,
but we didn't know anything about the
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people that were in the SLA.
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did have a dramatic sense about him. He
was the one who came up with the name of
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the Symbionese Liberation Army.
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Symbionese, which was based on symbiosis
between students and prisoners.
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De Vries, too, came up with the logo of
the seven -headed cobra.
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And the seven values of each head of the
cobra were the same values
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that underline the African holiday of
Kwanzaa.
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It would certainly be a mistake to think
that the Symbionese Liberation Army had
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some sort of clear agenda for change.
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They believed if you engaged in small
-scale but
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intense violent struggle, that would set
off a larger revolution.
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How it would work, what they would do,
was very unclear.
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The SLA in killing Marcus Foster
established that they were completely
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isolated, even from possible allies in
the counterculture.
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But then they get three new recruits.
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We were approached and asked if we
wanted to meet the people who carried
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Foster assassination.
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Emily and I and Angela were taken to a
location where hoods were put over our
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head, and we were led into a van, and we
were transported up to a place we
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didn't know where we were. We had no
idea.
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Emily and Angela and I were just, you
know, trying to understand what was
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on and listening to what they had to
say.
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Because of the nature of the foster
assassination, I was prepared to
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not be impressed.
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were not happy with that particular
operation.
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I think they were troubled by it enough
to talk to Emily and me and Angela about
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hooking up with them and separating off
into a separate cell. That was my
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intention always.
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Combination of impatience, despair, the
real malaise of my own existence, you
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know, and the ineffectualness of the
left was what caused me to make this
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decision.
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We're about the beginning of January,
okay, of 1974, when we
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finally come to that decision.
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January 10th, 1974, literally changed my
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whole life and all of my plans.
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Joe and Ross were driving in their van
back to the safe house. They were...
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running errands, picking up guns that
had been altered.
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They went to a printing unit and picked
up a stack of drawings of the seven
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-headed cobra.
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The leaflets were propaganda presenting
what the program at the SLA was in hopes
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of recruiting comrades.
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I don't even think they noticed the cop,
and all of a sudden he pulls them over
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out of the blue.
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Instead of coming back to the driver's
side, he goes to the passenger's side
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tells Joe to get out of the van.
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They're both armed, and they have
illegal guns and some leaflets that
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them to something much more serious.
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They ended up in a shootout at close
quarters that had both of them so
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out. that they missed each other.
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The
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leaflets,
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however, were a big, big problem that
connects them to the Foster
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Joe or the rest of them, he had a
Walther PPK that was one of the murder
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that he had let one of the women use to
shoot Foster.
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They were charged with being the actual
shooters of Marcus Foster, and they were
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not.
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And I realized that very soon it would
be determined that they were associated
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with us.
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And so in reality, what we're going to
have to do is we're going to have to
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disappear.
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Joseph Romero and Russell Little were
arrested for Foster's murder.
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They refused to talk about their
membership in the Symbionese Liberation
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Joe and Russ were arrested a few blocks
away from the safe house.
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There were so many cops in the area
trying to figure out what was going on
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free Nancy and Ms. Moon. They had to
abandon that safe house.
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They had things that were stored in this
house, and it had been a safe house,
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I'm not even sure for how long, but a
long time.
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Boxes and boxes of stuff.
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After they soaked the house in about 20
gallons of gasoline, they attempted to
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torch the house.
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And unfortunately, someone lowered the
garage door.
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All the windows were closed because it
was wintertime.
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But when they closed the garage door, it
cut off the oxygen to the fire and
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immediately went out and left everything
in perfect condition almost for the
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feds and the police to go through.
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In the house in which they lived in a
quiet San Francisco suburb, police found
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weapons,
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revolutionary literature, and material
linking them to the SLA.
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My original decision was to be with some
people federated with the SLA.
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Okay? There's a distinction in my mind.
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And ten days later, John Russell
arrested.
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And that throws everything out the
window. The circumstances had made our
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for us.
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We were going underground immediately.
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At this point, the SLA consisted of Bill
Harris, Emily Harris, and Angela
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Atwood, Donald DeFreeze, Willie Wolf,
Nancy Ling Perry, and Ms. Moon
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Soltysik. And she had a lover named
Camilla Hall, and she also joined the
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When the police start...
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going through the Concord House, they
start to find the SLA's list, and on one
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of the lists is possible kidnap victims.
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And there is a young college student
named Patricia Hurst, because they had
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her engagement announcement in the San
Francisco Examiner.
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The police never warned anyone on that
list.
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The months and months before we were
ever introduced to the members of the
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they had been acquiring intelligence on
potential local targets,
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including maybe a couple of news
articles announcing Patricia's betrothal
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Stephen Weed.
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Articles didn't say where she lived, but
they gave enough information to easily
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find it out.
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The decision to kidnap Patricia Hearst
was the direct result of Joe and Russ's
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arrest.
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We had to do it as a matter of
principle, possibly work toward an
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It also was a result of our general
politics and who we targeted in our
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minds as being enemies of the people.
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We had already determined that Hearst
was a particular easy target and that
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propaganda that could be generated from
it was perfect.
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Bill and Emily and Angela came out of
the theater program at Indiana
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And this was a time when theater had a
very political component.
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It was known as guerrilla theater.
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And they believed in using...
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in using propaganda as a way of exposing
the
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contradictions in modern society and
recruiting people to their cause.
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One idea that Bill and the others start
to discuss is instead of killing people,
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why don't we kidnap someone?
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Why don't we use someone as a living
pawn to
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symbolize the nature of our
revolutionary activity.
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Emily and I and Angela's influence was
to do things that were more inspiring
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that weren't as scary.
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We had to do things that not only
inspired people because they were
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forceful, but they had to be relevant.
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Patricia Hearst was a symbolic target.
She was an heiress. Her family
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was... in control of a media empire that
we viewed as
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an arm of propaganda for the United
States government.
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She was more of an innocent, if there
ever was one, which we're trying to
458
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:24,730
explain is the symbolic connection to
Joe and Russ.
459
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:26,810
She's innocent, they're innocent.
460
00:34:27,429 --> 00:34:30,770
We're going to treat her like you're
supposed to treat them.
461
00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:37,010
It didn't take us long to do the
surveillance.
462
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:38,570
She was in an ideal location.
463
00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:39,889
There was no security.
464
00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:46,210
Her front door was right there, handy
-dandy. And her apartment was blocked
465
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:51,130
the street, so there wasn't going to be
a lot of easy sidelines for people to
466
00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:52,510
see what was going on or even hear.
467
00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:55,949
I think it was a weeknight that we
chose.
468
00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:01,930
Everybody in the group was involved in
the operation.
469
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,740
Willie's driving, Ms. Moon's the
passenger. In the VW, Emily's car is
470
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:09,720
about three spaces down the street.
471
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:12,520
Camilla was driving the getaway car.
472
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:19,340
And DeVries, me, and Angela had to
handle everything that went on inside
473
00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:20,340
house.
474
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:21,900
Everybody's armed.
475
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:26,240
It was dark, and so nobody saw us going
up there.
476
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:37,440
Nobody saw us going up there.
477
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,880
I kind of recall being on the right of
the door and DeFreeze was on the left.
478
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:45,160
DeFreeze and I bracketed the door where
they couldn't see us.
479
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,060
Knock on the door.
480
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,460
Angela alluded to an accident and asked
to use the phone.
481
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,720
DeFreeze grabs Wheat and put him on the
ground.
482
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,400
Angela pounced on Patricia and started
to secure her with clothesline -type
483
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,490
rope. And so I'm basically standing
there with my machine gun now in plain
484
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:06,810
making sure nobody came back in or out.
485
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:11,310
DeVries had some belief that they're so
rich they must have a safe.
486
00:36:14,330 --> 00:36:17,370
DeVries is demanding to know where the
safe is, you know.
487
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:21,890
And, of course, they're flummoxed. We
don't have a safe, you know. He has no
488
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:26,850
idea that we're kidnapping his fiancée.
He was scared shitless.
489
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:31,560
I remember him saying, don't harm us,
take whatever you want.
490
00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:38,560
DeVries kept telling me, keep your
fucking head down. He kept looking up.
491
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,980
almost like a total compulsion.
492
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:43,980
All he had to do was lay there.
493
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:45,560
Nothing would have happened to him.
494
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,000
All of a sudden, Weed jumps up and is
hauling ass right at me to escape from
495
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000
front door.
496
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,080
And, man, I'm not planning on this. He's
like, you know, 6 '1", 6 '2". He's a
497
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,080
tall, skinny guy.
498
00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:02,160
And, you know, I'm 5 '6", 145 pounds,
man.
499
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,840
I'm a little light in the ass. But now I
got to make sure that he doesn't leave.
500
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:12,600
I'm like, oh, fuck, here we go. So he
comes up screaming, and he's like
501
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,720
me dead in the face.
502
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,160
And I just come up with my machine gun,
and I whack him in his chin. Bam!
503
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,400
and knock him back. I got him a good
one, and he fell back, and I think then
504
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,240
freeze knocked him out some more.
505
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,340
You know, Weed was not in a position to
do much of anything, and he ended up
506
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:34,040
looking bad about it, you know?
507
00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:39,160
He didn't get himself shot, so big
fucking deal, you know? It's like, you
508
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:42,160
yeah, I guess he could have got himself
shot, and then he would look like Roy,
509
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,880
but he'd be a dead Weed instead of a
live Weed.
510
00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:47,620
Earth is tied up in Gagnon blindfolded.
511
00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:53,790
She's a petite person, so I pick her up
and I sling her over my shoulder in a
512
00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:56,250
fireman's carry and proceed to leave
with her.
513
00:37:56,530 --> 00:37:59,550
I leave DeFries and Angela in the
apartment.
514
00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:02,990
Weed. He jumps up again and screams out
of the house.
515
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:04,210
And we're gone.
516
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:08,350
We're gone by that time. He thought he
had escaped us.
517
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:12,130
Come out to the courtyard, walk down the
steps next to the garage.
518
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:18,830
I was losing control of her on my
shoulder. I reached down, and I opened
519
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:19,749
to the trunk.
520
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:26,050
As soon as I let go of the trunk and
take my left hand to further secure her,
521
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:31,270
the damn spring on the trunk immediately
shuts the lid and locks it.
522
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:36,430
She's tied up in mine, so I set her
down, and I run around to the side of
523
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:39,210
car. Give me the key. So I get the key
again. I come back around.
524
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:41,350
She's not even there.
525
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Fuck! I unlocked the fucking trunk, and
I realized I gotta, like, not do it too
526
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,100
hard, and I closed it slightly, and I
started looking for her. She's, like,
527
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:53,680
there. And so I look around, and sure
enough, she's hobbled into the fucking
528
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,680
garage.
529
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:56,920
Go and grab her and throw her in the
trunk.
530
00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:03,480
I must have made too much racket.
531
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,420
Neighbors, who were situated across from
her and next door to her, came out of
532
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:09,420
their apartment.
533
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,640
DeVries turned around.
534
00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:14,630
Blasted four or five rounds to get them
to back off.
535
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:18,170
That woke up Nancy, who's sitting
shotgun in Emily's car.
536
00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:20,850
And so she got off a few rounds, too.
537
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,910
We're ready to boogie. Willie can see
that we're ready to go. He pulls out of
538
00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:27,509
his spot.
539
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:29,890
We pull out of the driveway, come up
behind him.
540
00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:34,790
Emily comes up behind us. We make it
around the corner. All of a sudden, out
541
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:40,410
nowhere, here comes a Berkeley cop who
stops.
542
00:39:40,990 --> 00:39:43,390
The VW with Willie and Ms. Moon in it.
543
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:51,810
Now, this is not even 30 seconds after
all this
544
00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:52,810
gunfire.
545
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:59,170
I'm thinking this is the cop responding
to the fucking gunfire.
546
00:39:59,610 --> 00:40:03,170
So now we're armed to the gills, and
here we are. We're going to get a
547
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:07,530
with a cop. If he's detaining the lead
car, we can't move.
548
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:09,530
We're going to have to blast this guy.
549
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:14,360
And then we see the lights come on in
the VW.
550
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,460
The cops stopped them because they
didn't have their lights on.
551
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:24,260
And he rolled up his window and moved
past us.
552
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,560
He's going by.
553
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,060
I'm looking at him.
554
00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:31,940
He's going like, I can see him do this
as he's driving by. So the call's coming
555
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:32,940
in to him.
556
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,740
He just happened to show up a little bit
late.
557
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,440
And we got to wait.
558
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,160
On a big kidnapping on the West Coast,
the victim is Patricia Hurst.
559
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,100
Mom, Dad, I'm okay.
560
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,620
She was clearly terrorized. Do what they
say, Dad, just do it quickly.
561
00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:02,860
Just flat out barking mad.
562
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,760
She desperately did not want to go home.
We had to prove that.
563
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:11,630
Who would have thought that Patricia
Hearst would be robbing a bank as a
564
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:12,630
revolutionary act?
565
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:14,870
She was ready to shoot anything that got
in her way.
566
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:18,470
I think she was spectacular.
567
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:20,710
She's a victim of thought control.
568
00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:28,030
56 days in the closet turned her into an
urban gorilla. The police wanted to be
569
00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:29,690
the ones that caught us or killed us.
570
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:36,210
It is the longest, most intense shootout
in the city's history.
571
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,400
There isn't a 20 % chance she's going to
get out of this.
572
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Patty had dramatically changed.
Something, something snapped.
573
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,900
She's not a stereotypical Hollywood
victim.
574
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,720
We kidnapped a freak.
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