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[woman] Raise your hand, please.
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Do you swear the testimony
you're about to give in this matter
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shall be the truth, whole truth,
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-and nothing but the truth?
-Yes, ma'am.
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[lawyer 1] Would you please state
your full name?
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It's Jeffrey Edward Epstein,
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and my residence address is
6100 Red Hook Boulevard
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in Virgin Islands.
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[lawyer 1] Do you maintain
any other residences presently?
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I have vacation homes in New Mexico...
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uh... Palm Beach, New York and Paris.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever been convicted
of a crime?
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Yes.
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[lawyer 1] What was the crime
of which you were convicted?
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[stammering] Uh... Two, uh, counts.
One soliciting prostitution,
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and procuring a minor for prostitution.
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[lawyer 1] Did you in fact commit
those acts?
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I'm going to invoke
my Fifth Amendment right.
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[lawyer 1] How many times have you
solicited a minor for prostitution?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] How many times have you
solicited a minor for prostitution
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-in the State of Florida?
-Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution in the Virgin Islands?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] That is that you are invoking
your Fifth Amendment...
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-Yes.
-...right?
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Yes, Mr. [inaudible].
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New York?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New Mexico?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in Paris?
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Same answer.
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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution anywhere at any time?
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Again, I'm going to assert my right.
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[lawyer 2] Let's take a break.
We'll go off the record.
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[lawyer 1] So you are terminating
the deposition at this time?
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[lawyer 2]
We are recessing the deposition.
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[unintelligible dialogue]
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[police siren wailing]
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I'm Vicky Ward.
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I'm an investigative journalist.
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I wrote a story about Jeffrey Epstein
for Vanity Fair back in 2003.
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I heard about Jeffrey Epstein, actually,
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long before
I was asked to write about him
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because he was known
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as this sort of Gatsby-like
figure of mystery in New York.
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He was this single guy,
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very wealthy, very good-looking,
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and people knew
that he had made a lot of money,
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but they didn't know how.
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He claimed to be the money manager
for the uber-rich.
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People knew that he hung out
with a lot of famous people:
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Prince Andrew,
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Bill Clinton,
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a lot of famous academics,
the lawyer Alan Dershowitz,
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and that he was always surrounded
by very beautiful,
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often very young, women.
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I knew Ghislaine Maxwell,
his then supposed girlfriend.
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She was Oxford educated,
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very witty, very funny.
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She was a great connector for Jeffrey.
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Graydon Carter, who was then
the editor of Vanity Fair, said to me,
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"I've been hearing
about this guy, Jeffrey Epstein,
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for years, but no one knows
anything about him."
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And so he gave me the story.
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It was a society piece.
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It wasn't supposed to be
anything more than that.
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But right away...
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there was a red flag.
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One of my sources said,
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"I know a woman
who had a very unpleasant experience
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working with Jeffrey.
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And even worse,
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her younger sister was abused by him
when she was underage.
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Maybe they will talk to you."
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And, obviously,
this took what had primarily been
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a business investigation
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in a whole...
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different... direction.
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[woman] I began painting
my senior year of college.
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I just dedicated myself
to painting constantly.
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I looked at it like
I was an Olympic athlete,
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and I was just working all the time,
you know, training.
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And then I was just giving myself
the fresh mind every time to the canvas.
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This is my graduate school,
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the New York Academy of Art.
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I graduated in 1995,
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and the night of our graduation,
actually, you usually have an art show,
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and Eileen Guggenheim used to be
the Dean of Students,
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and she would run it.
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At this show,
I decided to enter a triptych.
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So that's three paintings,
and it was the Alice in Wonderland series.
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The show is phenomenal for me.
All three of my paintings sold right away.
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The first painting I sold for $14,000,
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and then the other two for $12,000 apiece.
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And I was really, obviously, excited,
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but Eileen then walked over to me,
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and Eileen's literally like
twisting my arm,
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and she says,
"This couple right here is
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who is going to buy your art.
Do you hear me?"
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And I said, "Well, I've already sold it."
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And she said, "That's too bad.
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You're gonna tell them that it's not sold,
and you're selling to this couple.
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They're very important
benefactors of the Academy."
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And Eileen says, "This is Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell, my dearest friends.
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And they're just completely delighted,
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and you will be selling to them,
and they will get a discount."
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And so I got 6,000
instead of 12,000 that night.
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And Jeffrey Epstein said, "Don't worry.
We'll make it worth your while.
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Don't worry."
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I didn't see or hear from Jeffrey
for a couple of months.
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And one day the phone rang,
and he said, "I have a great job for you."
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Jeffrey had just acquired this mansion
on 71st Street.
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He told me, "This is your new job.
You're going to be managing the door,
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and you're going to be managing
the people coming and going,
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the decorators, the visitors."
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One day Jeffrey Epstein said,
"I would like to know
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how many siblings you have."
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And I described that I had two sisters,
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and I told him
that my sister Annie was very intelligent
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and has hopes and dreams
for a career, probably in Ivy League.
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[Annie Farmer] I was 16 years old,
and it was my junior year in high school.
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Maria was living in Manhattan
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and had told us
that she'd gotten a job, a great job,
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working for this man, Jeffrey Epstein,
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and that he might be interested
in helping me in some way.
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He had proposed it would be helpful for me
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to go on some kind of international trip
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to Thailand and Vietnam
in order to build up my résumé
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and to be more appealing
for a competitive school.
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He agreed that he would pay for that trip.
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At the time, it was very...
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[laughing] It seemed very expensive,
you know, so...
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um... I was just feeling
really grateful for that.
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The trip was supposed to be
that summer in July,
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and so he suggested that I come out
to meet him and Ghislaine Maxwell
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at their ranch in New Mexico.
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My mom's understanding
of what that trip would be was
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a chance for me to meet
some other students
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who would also be going
on similar trips.
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But when I got there, I realized I was
the only one there staying with them.
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They showed me around the property.
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It was part of building up
this sense of, like, look at who I am,
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look at all that I have,
be impressed by me.
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Ghislaine was very interested in whether
I had ever had a massage before,
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like a professional massage,
and I had not.
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It was really presented as, like,
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you're so lucky that you get to do this,
to, you know, get this massage.
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She told me to undress,
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and there was a table there
with a sheet on it.
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You know, a portion of it was
just pretty typical, um...
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but there was a time
when she had me lay on my back,
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and she, you know, pulled the sheet down
so that my breasts were exposed.
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Because of the layout of the house
and the doors that were open,
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I knew that Epstein could see me.
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I think the way
that she rubbed my chest in, you know,
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in the massage also was inappropriate.
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The scariest moment of the weekend was
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when he came into my bedroom
in the morning
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and said that he would like to cuddle.
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He crawled into bed with me.
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And, um... you know, was touching me,
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and I don't remember
how long that lasted
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because I was sort of checking out a bit.
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But I remember making an excuse
like I needed to go to the bathroom.
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Got out of bed,
and, like, went into the bathroom,
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and kind of shut the door, and was...
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you know, very scared
of what was going on.
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And afterwards, I just avoided it.
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I didn't tell my closest friends,
and I didn't tell Maria and my family,
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and I just thought,
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"I'm going to focus
on this trip this summer."
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And I went to Thailand and Vietnam.
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[Maria Farmer] Annie was on this program
in Thailand,
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and I received a call from Jeffrey saying
that we want to help you with your career.
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So I was asked to go do
an artist-in-residency.
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I was to go to Ohio,
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and I would be living
in this 26,000 square foot home
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behind Les Wexner's house.
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When I asked Jeffrey who Les Wexner was,
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he said, "He is my client
and my very good friend,
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who happens to be a billionaire,
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and he would do anything for me."
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So I drove a Penske truck to Ohio
because I took all of my art supplies.
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I set up shop,
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and I started painting.
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These paintings were paintings
about puberty,
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girls partially nude,
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voyeuristic kind of private moments,
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but not sexual.
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My process is that I take photographs,
and I work from them.
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And I was using
my two sisters as the models.
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So, Jeffrey and Ghislaine
came to visit one day.
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[insects buzzing]
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[Maria] That night,
Ghislaine came and got me and said,
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"Jeffrey would like to have
his feet rubbed."
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And my stomach sank.
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I felt like, "Gosh, I don't want them
to think I'm not grateful,
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but this is so inappropriate," you know?
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And so I... [groans] rubbed his feet
for a little while...
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and he said, "Come up here."
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Then he patted over here
for me to sit next to him.
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Then Ghislaine sat down
on the other side of me.
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Jeffrey immediately was doing this.
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Like, it was really mechanical
and bizarre,
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and Ghislaine then was doing this on me.
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And then they were touching me
in different ways on my chest.
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It didn't feel right at all,
and I didn't like it.
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I kind of had like, you know, some tears,
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and she goes, "Shh, it's gonna be okay."
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And she was like really
with her other hand, like,
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rubbing on my hand
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and telling me
that it was going to be okay.
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I had escaped my body at that point.
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I wasn't really in that moment at all.
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And at some point,
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I was able to like
catapult my body out of that bed.
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I went to my room,
and I barricaded my door.
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I put a piece of furniture against it.
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Just kind of huddled up in that room
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until Jeffrey and Ghislaine left
that morning.
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When I woke up, I went and checked to see
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if my photographs of my sisters
were there,
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and realized
three photographs had been stolen.
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And I was freaking out.
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So, I called Annie.
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[Annie] My sister confronted me about
whether anything had happened to me
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when I was at the ranch.
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I told her things that had made me
really uncomfortable had happened,
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but I really don't want to talk about it.
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[Maria] I said, "Listen, you're never
going to have to deal with them again.
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Do not worry.
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I am so sorry you were exposed to this."
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It was just a very uncomfortable feeling
to know that he had these photos of us,
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and...
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in particular of my younger sister
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because she was just 12
when those photos were taken.
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And...
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it was just so...
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um...
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It was just upsetting to know
that he had those photos,
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and to never know what happened to them
or how he was using them.
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He could be using them
to sexually please himself.
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[Maria] So the next day,
Jeffrey called me,
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and he tried to pretend like
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it was a really fun time he'd had
the night before,
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and he tried
to kind of play it off like that.
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And I said, "That wasn't fun for me."
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And then he offered to give me
basically what I wanted
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to not make a stink about everything,
just, "What do you want?"
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Like, "How much money do you want?
What can I do for you?"
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Um...
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And I s... I didn't say anything.
I hung up on him.
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When I got back to New York City,
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I told the NYPD
everything that had happened.
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I told them I'd been assaulted.
And they said,
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"It's just not in our jurisdiction.
Like, we have nothing to do with this.
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These things happened in Ohio,
New Mexico.
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You're gonna have to call the FBI."
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When I called the FBI,
I laid it out very specifically.
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I said, "I'm reporting these people:
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Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell."
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I told them everything,
and I could tell that he believed me.
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So, I really had believed
that he was going to take care of this.
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And then we just actually
did not hear back.
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[Vicky Ward] Because these sisters
had been ignored for so long,
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they were very, very frightened
of going on the record,
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speaking up about
what Jeffrey would do to them.
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Part of them, understandably,
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just thought they could never fight
against a man of his power.
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We proceed,
very reluctantly after a family decision,
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um... that we're going to do this thing.
We're going to talk about this.
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[Ward] I spoke to the younger sister,
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who was molested by him
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and lived in fear.
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[Annie] So, after we had presented
our story to Vicky,
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then Vanity Fair had to take this account
to Epstein
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to essentially fact-check it and get
his perspective and his side of things.
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And when they did that,
he came back with his own story,
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which was we were in fact
women that were infatuated with him.
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And that's what this was coming out of.
It was,
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you know,
revenge for that being unrequited.
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[Ward] He would say,
"Well, Vicky, if I don't like this piece,
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it's going to be bad for you
and your family."
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And I was newly pregnant with twins.
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He said, "Where are you giving birth?"
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He followed that up with,
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"I know all the doctors
in all the hospitals,
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so it doesn't matter.
If you don't tell me, I'll find out.
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If I don't like this piece,
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I'm going to have a witch doctor
place a curse on your unborn children."
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He was beginning to spook me out,
and these are just conversations.
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So I could only imagine
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how the women must have felt.
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I got a phone call from Graydon.
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He was pretty spooked because he'd found
a severed cat head in his garden.
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He also found a bullet on his doorstep.
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And then suddenly, I was told by my editor
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that the girls
were being taken out of the story.
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I was horrified. I said,
"Why? They've been so brave.
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They've laid so much on the line. Why?"
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And the message came back,
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"Well, he's obviously sensitive
about the girls. That's a sore point."
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I'll never forget
Graydon Carter saying to me,
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"I believe Jeffrey Epstein."
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[Annie] I remember buying
the copy of Vanity Fair
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and seeing the spread, you know,
"The Talented Mr. Epstein."
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And it said nothing
about any of his interest in girls.
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I think that Vanity Fair basically
got bought off by Jeffrey.
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The excuse was,
"Well, it's a business story."
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It was a business story,
but, just like life,
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the story was more complicated,
far more complicated.
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I cried in public. [laughs]
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Um...
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You know,
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so much work,
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so much bravery,
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and for what?
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[Annie] It seemed it was more evidence
of the fact that he was powerful,
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and he could fix whatever thing came up.
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[Ward]
Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate story
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of the abuse of power and money.
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But, of course, what none of us knew was
that the girls who I'd spoken to
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were only the tip...
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of the iceberg.
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And it actually got even worse in Florida.
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[sinister music]
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[man 1] Jeffrey Epstein bought
his Palm Beach mansion in 1990.
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Epstein was new money.
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He didn't have generations
of growing up there,
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sailing in the Intracoastal Waterway...
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but he had tons of new money.
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And if you have enough money,
you can buy your way in to any society.
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There are things that have been true
about Palm Beach since I was a kid.
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Some of the protectiveness,
some of the clannishness...
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It's definitely a very insular world.
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There is almost a hermetic seal around it.
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It's not just
an extremely wealthy zip code.
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It's an island.
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And I think that...
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it almost has a psychological effect
on the very wealthy people who move there,
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or who have grown up there,
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or whose fathers or grandfathers
bought estates there,
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because there's a sense of security,
and safety, and privacy,
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and they like it that way.
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[man 2] Epstein and I
essentially were neighbors.
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And why would
Jeffrey Epstein... come here?
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You know, here it is.
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I mean, you're on the ocean.
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It's quiet and secluded.
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I came down here in 2007,
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and back then, there was very little known
about Jeffrey Epstein.
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What people knew about him was
that he was stunningly rich.
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The guy was living a life
that most people dream about.
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He had a 15 to 20 million dollar house
here in Palm Beach.
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He had one of the largest townhouses
in New York City,
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a massive apartment in Paris,
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his own private island in the Caribbean,
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a sprawling ranch in New Mexico,
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a helicopter,
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two airplanes, one a 727.
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[airplane engine roaring]
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That's the commercial side of the airport
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there where all the JetBlue
and everyone else lands.
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But the west side of the airport is
where all the private jets are.
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And that's where Jeffrey parked his jets.
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I was a reporter here for 25 years.
I also lived over in Palm Beach.
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Covered the Epstein case extensively.
This guy was a bit of a ghost down here.
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Nobody really saw him. Nobody knew him.
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In the '80s,
he hit it out of the ballpark.
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A lot of powerful men liked him
and trusted him to handle his money.
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Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,
they were both wealthy guys from New York,
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and they both ended up living a mile apart
along billionaire's row in Palm Beach.
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They knew each other.
Epstein frequented Mar-a-Lago for a time.
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There's now a widely circulated quote
from Donald Trump,
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which he probably would like
to reel back in,
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"I've known Jeff for 15 years.
Terrific guy.
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It is even said that he likes
beautiful women as much as I do,
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and many of them are on the younger side."
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[Carl Hiaasen] Palm Beach is
a very small town.
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It's almost impossible to conceive
living there and moving in that world
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and not hearing rumors about Epstein
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or not being aware of something odd
going on at Jeff's place.
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[engine starting]
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I'm Michael Reiter.
I've been here 38 years,
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on the Palm Beach Police Department
for 28,
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and I was Police Chief in Palm Beach
from 2001 through 2009.
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I first met Jeffrey Epstein
somewhere around 2001.
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Epstein visited me in my office
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to talk about making a donation
of equipment to the police department,
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which was nearly $100,000.
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It was a brief visit.
It was just a little bit of chit-chat.
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My impression was that he was
just a wealthy, very private guy.
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Nearly two years later,
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we received reports from his neighbors
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that there was
a large number of young women
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going to and from his residence.
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We thought, "That's suspicious."
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We sent personnel to stop them
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and interview them.
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They were all adults,
the three or four that we talked to,
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and they said that they were simply doing
office work for Mr. Epstein.
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Since they were all adults,
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there didn't seem to be
any further police interest.
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Then in 2005,
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the parent of a young girl
called the police station.
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[dial tone]
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[dialing numbers]
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[telephone ringing]
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-[Pagan] Hello?
-[stepmother] Hi, how are you?
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[Pagan] I'm good. I'm returning your call,
I apologize. I don't know what for.
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[stepmother] It's okay.
It was an incident that occurred
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maybe three and a half weeks ago
with one of my stepdaughters.
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One day at school, she got into a fight,
and she had over $300 on her.
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So after asking her and asking her
what was going on,
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I found out that it ended up being that
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they went to Palm Beach
to a gentleman's house.
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And they start off
by giving this gentleman a massage.
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And he pays them.
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If he likes them
and thinks that they're pretty enough,
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-he keeps them around to do other things.
-[Pagan] Okay.
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[stepmother] So I wasn't quite sure
if there was an investigation
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or if you guys had any word--
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[Pagan] Well, this is the first
I'm hearing of it.
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-[stepmother] Okay.
-[Pagan] I'll need some more information.
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Would your stepdaughter
be willing to come in
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to provide me with a statement?
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[Michael Reiter] When a juvenile reports
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that they have been a victim
of a sex crime to the police department,
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we immediately take that very seriously.
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The parent was asked to bring the victim
into the police station.
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A detective conducted an interview.
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Immediately upon, uh...
that victim's report to us,
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which we found very credible,
we launched an investigation.
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The very first victim was
about 14 years old at that time.
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We were able, from the interview,
to figure out exactly where the house was.
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From the description the victim provided,
it was clear that it was Mr. Epstein.
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The case was assigned
to our special investigations unit
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partly because of the nature of the crime,
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and partly because Mr. Epstein was
a powerful, influential person.
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Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator of the case.
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Unfortunately, Joe Recarey passed away
a few years ago,
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but at the time, he believed
there were other victims.
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So he began contacting them
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and listening to their stories.
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[Recarey] I appreciate you coming down
to talk to me.
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00:27:15,216 --> 00:27:17,136
-You're not in any trouble.
-[Stephanie] Okay.
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[Recarey] I want to put that out there
right now.
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-How did you meet Mr. Epstein?
-[Stephanie] Through a friend.
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[Joyce] It was like two years ago or so.
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[Recarey] About two years ago?
That's when you first met him?
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[Joyce] Yeah. Yeah.
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-[Recarey] You were 17 then?
-[Sharon] Mm-hmm.
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[Recarey] What is it that you were told
you would have to do?
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-[Sharon] Give him a massage.
-[Recarey] Okay.
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[Recarey] During the massage,
did he... um...
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ask you to remove your pants or...
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[Heather] Yes.
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[Reiter] Every victim told
essentially the same story.
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They thought
that they would give him a massage.
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That's what most of them were told.
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That's what lured them there
for a small amount of money.
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[Recarey] What else happened
when you were providing the massage?
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[Susan] He took the towel off,
and he started pleasing himself,
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which I was very uncomfortable with.
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00:28:07,143 --> 00:28:10,193
-I wanted to leave right when I got there.
-[Recarey] Okay.
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[Reiter] Our biggest concern was
that the victimization not to continue.
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That's why
we started surveillance right away.
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We surveilled the airport...
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[Reiter] ...the house.
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[Reiter] As we found additional victims,
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one victim would tell us about others,
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those others would tell us about others,
and it began to multiply geometrically.
477
00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:41,551
[Recarey] Okay. First of all,
I know this is hard on you, okay?
478
00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:43,927
Just take a deep breath.
479
00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:45,893
[Heather sighs] I'm trying. It's just...
480
00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:49,314
I wasn't aware that I was going to be
alone with him for that ten minutes.
481
00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:50,904
And I thought I was gonna die.
482
00:28:52,147 --> 00:28:54,017
[Recarey] Did you have intercourse
with him?
483
00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,106
-[Susan quietly] Yes.
-[Recarey] Okay.
484
00:28:57,777 --> 00:28:59,107
[Reiter]
After two or three months,
485
00:28:59,195 --> 00:29:02,905
we feared that this involved
a really large number of victims.
486
00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:11,711
[Recarey] Can you raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth,
487
00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:13,421
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
488
00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:15,171
-so help you God?
-[Michelle Licata] I do.
489
00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:18,343
-[Recarey] State your name for the record.
-Michelle Licata.
490
00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:23,391
I found the calendar
from December 2004...
491
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:26,215
the month that I met Jeffrey Epstein.
492
00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:30,136
I wrote down my first party
that I'd ever been to,
493
00:29:30,226 --> 00:29:33,686
talked to a boy
'til three o’clock in the morning.
494
00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:37,612
And then right before Christmas,
that's the weekend that everything changed
495
00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:38,612
in my entire life.
496
00:29:41,821 --> 00:29:43,321
[Recarey] All right. In your own words,
497
00:29:43,406 --> 00:29:46,026
tell me exactly
how you were introduced to this gentleman
498
00:29:46,117 --> 00:29:48,827
by the name of Jeffrey
in, uh... Palm Beach.
499
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:52,042
[Licata] Um... My friend told me
in class that...
500
00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:55,789
she could find a way of making money
for Christmas.
501
00:29:56,628 --> 00:29:58,548
I didn't really know
what she was talking about,
502
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:59,800
but I was like, "Okay."
503
00:30:02,217 --> 00:30:03,637
[Licata] I was a good kid.
504
00:30:03,718 --> 00:30:06,718
I always thought
that my life was just ordinary.
505
00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:09,558
I had seven kids in my family.
506
00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:12,138
-[male teacher] Michelle Licata.
-[applause]
507
00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,647
[Licata] I was really good in school.
508
00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:17,112
I had a lot of friends.
509
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:18,530
[cheering]
510
00:30:18,608 --> 00:30:20,188
[Licata] In cheerleading,
511
00:30:20,693 --> 00:30:22,823
I got the Spirit Award.
512
00:30:23,363 --> 00:30:25,373
[crowd cheering]
513
00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:28,537
[Licata] Just a normal teenage girl.
514
00:30:28,993 --> 00:30:30,503
[woman] And what are we gonna do?
515
00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:32,003
We're gonna shop!
516
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:33,290
[woman laughing]
517
00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:38,132
[Licata] One day, this girl wrote me
a note in class that said,
518
00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:42,341
"Do you want to make some extra money
massaging old guys?"
519
00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:45,593
And I was like,
"Okay, that seems weird. But okay."
520
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:49,928
[Licata] She said to just go
to this old guy's house
521
00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:54,063
and just massage him for 45 minutes,
and you'll get like $200.
522
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:58,190
-[Recarey] Okay. How old were you?
-[Licata] Sixteen.
523
00:30:58,648 --> 00:30:59,478
[Recarey] Okay.
524
00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:05,486
[Licata] We're driving probably
like a good 45-minute ride.
525
00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:11,157
We pulled into a big,
expensive-looking mansion.
526
00:31:12,078 --> 00:31:14,208
Before we got out of the car, she said,
527
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:18,079
"Okay, so if anybody asks,
uh, you're over the age of 18,
528
00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:21,497
but I don't think anybody is going to ask,
just if they do."
529
00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:28,426
I was only there
for like maybe a minute or two,
530
00:31:28,511 --> 00:31:29,851
and then he walked in.
531
00:31:31,139 --> 00:31:33,139
He laid down on his stomach.
532
00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:35,936
He said,
"Okay, there's some lotions over there
533
00:31:36,019 --> 00:31:40,109
if you wanted to start massaging my feet
and my legs."
534
00:31:40,189 --> 00:31:45,949
He flipped over, and he was talking to me
about, uh, the way that I looked.
535
00:31:46,321 --> 00:31:48,871
He was telling me how beautiful I was.
536
00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:53,409
I never thought
I was the pretty girl in high school.
537
00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:55,615
I had braces,
538
00:31:55,705 --> 00:32:00,075
and for somebody to be
pointing the spotlight at me,
539
00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,549
it was like,
"Okay, he's giving me compliments.
540
00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:04,839
I never thought of myself that way."
541
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,339
And then he kind of was like...
542
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:14,220
grabbing my hip
and kind of like maneuvering it
543
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:16,057
so that he could look at me.
544
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,859
He was telling me to take off
my shirt and pants.
545
00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,862
He's like,
"You can get down into your underwear."
546
00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,947
You know, you start thinking, "Okay. So...
547
00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:29,488
if I try to leave or be like,
548
00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:33,446
'Uh, no, we're not going to do this,'
you know...
549
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:35,328
how would you leave?
550
00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:38,291
Like, is there a gun hidden somewhere,
551
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:39,963
like, he was going to pull out?"
552
00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,673
As a young girl, you just do...
553
00:32:44,754 --> 00:32:49,014
Because he's an adult,
you just do what someone asks you to do.
554
00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:54,263
[Licata] And then he sort of grabbed
my thighs, and he was...
555
00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:57,516
jacking himself off at the same time.
556
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:02,607
He just tried, like,
rubbing me down there.
557
00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:04,228
[Recarey] Okay.
558
00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,567
[inhales deeply] And...
559
00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:13,371
[stammering] th... that was where
I started freaking out completely.
560
00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:16,239
I was like...
[sighing] "Okay, okay...
561
00:33:16,327 --> 00:33:18,327
Can we just get this over with?
562
00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:22,918
This is just so unreal.
This is not happening."
563
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:27,011
He just looked like a scary sicko
564
00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:28,965
in my mind, like...
565
00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:32,925
He just looked like... [stammers]
566
00:33:33,636 --> 00:33:37,766
[stammering] I just still have
the vision of his face.
567
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:43,310
[Licata] I backed away, and I said,
"Well, I don't know if I should do that."
568
00:33:43,938 --> 00:33:45,058
And I freaked.
569
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,280
I was very hesitant and so scared.
570
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,238
[Recarey] As I told you before
and I explained to your mom,
571
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,240
what he did was wrong, okay?
572
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,030
-[Licata] Okay.
-[Recarey] Um...
573
00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:00,462
[Recarey] I want to reassure you
on that, okay?
574
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,300
[Licata] When he was done,
575
00:34:07,378 --> 00:34:12,218
he wrapped himself up in a towel,
and he said, "There's 200 for you.
576
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,340
I would really like to see you again."
577
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:15,887
And I was like... [inhales deeply]
578
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:18,640
"Okay, okay."
In the back of my mind, I was like,
579
00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:23,193
"I am not ever coming back here
ever again."
580
00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:25,309
And I just went downstairs,
581
00:34:25,688 --> 00:34:29,358
and I felt so used.
582
00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:35,362
I felt so used, like it was...
I was just like this dirty person.
583
00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:40,825
Before Epstein, I was...
584
00:34:42,121 --> 00:34:43,041
[exhales shakily]
585
00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:45,578
[voice breaking] I was...
586
00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:49,593
I was...
587
00:34:50,671 --> 00:34:52,591
[sobbing] something else.
588
00:35:00,723 --> 00:35:03,313
The way I saw myself... [inhales sharply]
589
00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:04,982
a long time ago...
590
00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:07,108
[sobbing] ...I was, like...
591
00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:08,478
like this flower.
592
00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:14,322
A flower that was, like, opening up.
593
00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:18,243
And afterwards, it was...
594
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,704
[inhales sharply] ...like somebody just...
595
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:24,959
picked up that flower... [sniffles]
596
00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:30,344
...plucked it from its roots,
and stomped on it and smashed it.
597
00:35:32,588 --> 00:35:33,418
[sniffles]
598
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:36,125
[Recarey] I know this
is difficult for you,
599
00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:39,007
and I know it was difficult for you
to talk to me today.
600
00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,467
Is there anything else you'd like to add
to this statement?
601
00:35:42,557 --> 00:35:43,387
[Licata] No.
602
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:45,805
[Recarey] Okay.
Then I conclude this statement.
603
00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:48,353
The time on my watch is 5:25 p.m.
604
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:50,305
[tape player clicks]
605
00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:58,358
[sinister music]
606
00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:00,907
[Hiaasen] Many of the girls
were brought across the bridge
607
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,412
from the mainland,
which is West Palm Beach.
608
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:06,748
And it's a whole different world
when you cross the bridges.
609
00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:11,462
Parts of West Palm Beach are like
610
00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:14,424
a lot of other communities along
the Gold Coast where it's working class.
611
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:17,589
It's not necessarily high end at all.
612
00:36:19,093 --> 00:36:20,093
It's a real world.
613
00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:24,523
To think what it must have been like
to come from modest means,
614
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,439
and in some cases
broken homes, troubled homes.
615
00:36:28,769 --> 00:36:30,859
Palm Beach is like Oz.
616
00:36:30,938 --> 00:36:34,898
[chuckling] If you live in West Palm,
that's just not a world you experience.
617
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:44,330
My name is Shawna Rivera.
This is the house that I grew up in.
618
00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:49,291
This is where usually
we would sit out here.
619
00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:52,543
We had a big hammock on the patio.
620
00:36:53,127 --> 00:36:54,837
This room was my room.
621
00:36:55,546 --> 00:37:00,466
The time that I first met Jeff,
my girlfriend came over here to, um...
622
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,800
to take me with her to Jeff's, right?
623
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,392
Like right after this street here...
624
00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:10,306
there's a trailer park, there's a canal
and then there's a trailer park,
625
00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:12,524
and so she walked over here...
626
00:37:13,147 --> 00:37:14,817
and convinced me to go with her.
627
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,822
I didn't have a good childhood.
628
00:37:21,447 --> 00:37:24,867
I was a runaway for two years.
629
00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:30,036
My mom used drugs pretty heavily
most of my life.
630
00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:33,417
My dad went to prison when I was three.
631
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,760
And when I was ten,
my dad got out of prison.
632
00:37:38,798 --> 00:37:43,138
At some point, my dad had a girlfriend...
633
00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,258
who had some kids,
634
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:49,176
and the kids had clearly been abused
prior to this.
635
00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:55,444
And I would say it was like a week or so
after my 12th birthday,
636
00:37:55,523 --> 00:38:00,033
my dad and his girlfriend beat her son,
her eight-year-old son, to death...
637
00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:01,741
[inhales deeply] Um...
638
00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:02,821
In front of me.
639
00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:06,326
And so I, um...
640
00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:09,044
[clears throat] ...ran away from home.
641
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,578
I lived in, like, shelter homes.
642
00:38:13,374 --> 00:38:16,424
Finally, my grandma
was able to get custody of me.
643
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,550
I was 14 years old
when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
644
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:28,262
My girlfriend, she's like,
"Shawna, I'm going to this guy's house.
645
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:33,144
I can't go by myself. I just can't do it.
I just need you to come with me."
646
00:38:33,227 --> 00:38:35,347
I was just like, "All right. Fine."
647
00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:40,074
I didn't know what was going to happen.
I just went along with it.
648
00:38:43,195 --> 00:38:47,655
Once you get over the bridge
into Palm Beach, you see yachts
649
00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,792
and all these huge mansions.
650
00:38:51,203 --> 00:38:52,043
This is like
651
00:38:52,705 --> 00:38:55,245
not something I'm familiar with.
652
00:38:58,044 --> 00:39:01,714
We walk into the back,
and there's this girl.
653
00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:02,841
She's young
654
00:39:03,382 --> 00:39:05,472
with an accent. I don't know her.
655
00:39:05,551 --> 00:39:08,721
She's familiar with my friend.
"Hi. Hi. Hi."
656
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,891
We walk into this room,
657
00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:13,808
and this dude walked in.
658
00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:16,725
I remember thinking he was kind of rude.
659
00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:18,226
He says, "Oh, hey. Hi."
660
00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:19,484
He's, like, on the phone,
661
00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,569
and he, like, lays down.
662
00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:26,201
So then my girlfriend tells me,
"We're just going to give him a massage."
663
00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:30,326
And she said, "Oh, well,
we have to take our clothes off."
664
00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:32,787
And I'm like...
665
00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:36,332
"I have to take my clothes off?"
666
00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:38,825
And she says, "Yeah, we have... We both...
667
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:41,745
We both have to take our clothes off.
All of them."
668
00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:45,877
So you have me
and my 14-year-old girlfriend
669
00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:49,466
totally naked,
and I'm giving this old man a massage.
670
00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:53,466
But then my girlfriend says,
"Well, I'm going to go."
671
00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:57,728
And I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing
leaving me here?" Like, "Why?"
672
00:39:57,812 --> 00:40:00,192
I couldn't believe
she was walking out of there.
673
00:40:01,941 --> 00:40:04,821
Then this guy,
he asked me how old I was...
674
00:40:05,611 --> 00:40:09,871
and I remember telling him
that I was 15 years old,
675
00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:12,829
and I was actually 14 years old.
676
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,326
That didn't scare him.
677
00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:19,423
[inhales deeply] It was kind of, like,
"Oh, okay. You're 15. Okay."
678
00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:22,094
Then he turned over... [sniffles]
679
00:40:22,169 --> 00:40:25,669
...and he wanted me to rub the lotion
680
00:40:25,756 --> 00:40:29,426
that we were using,
like, all over his chest. [sniffles]
681
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:32,560
And he told me to just grab his nipples
682
00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:36,727
and squeeze and pinch as hard as I could.
683
00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:37,639
[sniffles]
684
00:40:37,726 --> 00:40:39,056
And I just, like,
685
00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:41,805
I just remember standing there
and just being, like...
686
00:40:42,356 --> 00:40:45,276
"What is going on? This is so weird."
687
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:49,609
I just couldn't wrap my head around it.
I was like, "What the fuck is this?"
688
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:51,780
I'm 14 years old.
689
00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:54,031
I'm a virgin.
690
00:40:56,078 --> 00:40:58,828
It just went on like that
for a couple of minutes,
691
00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,084
and he finished...
692
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,090
and there was money sitting there.
693
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:05,379
He told me to go ahead
and pick up the money.
694
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,093
So I just got dressed,
and I walked out and left.
695
00:41:08,966 --> 00:41:10,216
I was so embarrassed.
696
00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:14,223
I didn't know how to say, like,
"No, I don't... I don't want to do that."
697
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:24,057
I don't know how long it was after
the first time I had gone over there...
698
00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:29,492
but I... one day,
I got a phone call at my house.
699
00:41:30,362 --> 00:41:33,122
They called me a cab to take me to Jeff's.
700
00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:38,999
There was no explanation.
There was just, "Take the cab to Jeff's."
701
00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:46,245
I assumed if I went back...
702
00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:48,089
I would get more money.
703
00:41:50,132 --> 00:41:52,262
I mean, I didn't have any money.
704
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,390
I didn't have a family like that.
705
00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:57,307
I just...
706
00:41:58,432 --> 00:42:00,852
didn't know how to handle it, you know.
707
00:42:00,935 --> 00:42:03,595
So, I think I kind of went
into this kind of like...
708
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,815
pilot mode kind of situation,
where I just...
709
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:08,820
[inhales deeply]
710
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:13,321
...tried to, like, get through it
and just go home.
711
00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,494
I couldn't say, "This isn't right."
712
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,461
I couldn't say, "This isn't normal."
713
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:24,079
I couldn't say, like,
"This is a sick man."
714
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:27,630
And it was probably
for like three or four years
715
00:42:27,711 --> 00:42:29,051
I continued to go.
716
00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:41,482
[woman] I'm an educational psychologist
and mental health counselor.
717
00:42:41,934 --> 00:42:45,444
I've worked with many victims
of sexual trauma.
718
00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:50,941
And the first thought that I had when
reading about the Jeffrey Epstein... case
719
00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:54,696
is that he targeted girls
that were so vulnerable.
720
00:42:55,155 --> 00:42:59,405
Um, and this is something
that most sexual predators do.
721
00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:04,462
The first step in the grooming process
is spotting a vulnerable victim,
722
00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,290
someone who is financially disadvantaged
723
00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:11,301
or that already have
some sexual trauma in their past.
724
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:17,389
Sexual predators like Jeffrey Epstein
have an eye for picking out someone
725
00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:19,429
who is in need of something,
726
00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:23,308
and they identify that need,
and then they exploit it.
727
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:26,773
When you're pairing a teenage girl
728
00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:31,693
with a brilliant,
narcissistic billionaire,
729
00:43:31,775 --> 00:43:35,235
their adolescent brain was not equipped
730
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,073
to understand or react
to what was happening.
731
00:43:46,582 --> 00:43:50,462
[Reiter] We were frustrated that,
while some people were cooperative,
732
00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:55,588
most of the victims did not want
to prosecute for fear of Jeffrey Epstein.
733
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:58,930
They knew that Mr. Epstein was
734
00:43:59,011 --> 00:44:02,601
a powerful, influential,
very wealthy person.
735
00:44:02,681 --> 00:44:04,181
So they were very reluctant.
736
00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:08,904
And so we decided to talk
to some of his employees.
737
00:44:09,229 --> 00:44:11,069
[telephone ringing]
738
00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:14,822
-[Recarey] Good morning, Mr. Alessi?
-Yes, speaking.
739
00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:17,952
Hi. This is Detective Joe Recarey
with Palm Beach Police.
740
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,910
I'm investigating a case
against, uh, a former employer of yours,
741
00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:22,992
Jeffrey Epstein.
742
00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:25,504
[Alessi] This is something
743
00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:27,829
that I really would not like
to be involved,
744
00:44:27,915 --> 00:44:30,165
-if I'm not involved with it.
-[Recarey] I understand that,
745
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,840
but you may hold some information
which would assist me in this case.
746
00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:38,179
[Alessi] But I don't want to get
in trouble or...
747
00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:42,387
I don't want to get sued
by Mr. Epstein or by his company.
748
00:44:42,846 --> 00:44:43,676
[telephone ringing]
749
00:44:44,473 --> 00:44:46,683
[Recarey] You are Alfredo Rodriguez,
correct?
750
00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:48,887
-[Rodriguez] Yes, that's me.
-[Recarey] Okay.
751
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:52,147
I just wanted to touch base with a case
that I'm investigating
752
00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:53,861
involving Mr. Epstein.
753
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,360
[Rodriguez] Okay.
754
00:44:56,318 --> 00:44:58,778
[Recarey] My main concern, obviously, is
755
00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:01,276
the girls that come over to work for him.
756
00:45:02,658 --> 00:45:03,488
[Rodriguez] Okay.
757
00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:05,696
[Recarey] What can you tell me about that?
758
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,706
[Rodriguez] He has a lot of masseuses.
759
00:45:07,788 --> 00:45:12,288
He has a list of favorite, uh...
female personnel
760
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,836
to give him massage, you know.
761
00:45:13,919 --> 00:45:16,549
So he gets massage in the morning,
massage in the afternoon.
762
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,380
They were very private, sir, you know.
763
00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:22,755
So I didn't know
what went on behind closed doors.
764
00:45:22,845 --> 00:45:25,255
It was my job to keep everything discreet.
765
00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:26,177
So...
766
00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,727
[Recarey] Would you
say these girls were young?
767
00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:30,885
[Rodriguez] Um...
768
00:45:31,937 --> 00:45:34,057
Oof, you put me on the spot, sir.
769
00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:43,067
[Reiter] Every part of this case
was an uphill battle.
770
00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:46,032
His employees didn't want to cooperate,
771
00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:49,329
so we went through the trash at his home.
772
00:45:50,247 --> 00:45:52,747
In one case,
we found a school report card
773
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,543
for one of the victims.
774
00:45:56,170 --> 00:46:00,340
And in another case,
we learned that he sent a messenger
775
00:46:01,091 --> 00:46:04,641
to the school to provide flowers
to the victim
776
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,260
who had been part of a performance there.
777
00:46:09,183 --> 00:46:11,983
[James Patterson] West Palm Beach
has dozens of high schools
778
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,850
and middle schools.
779
00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:17,067
Thousands and thousands of kids.
Some private schools out there.
780
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,900
All these schools became a hunting ground
for this predator.
781
00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:30,872
[woman] I think at 16, 17,
when you're in high school,
782
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,504
I think we're all vulnerable.
783
00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:37,541
This is Royal Palm Beach High School.
This is where we went to high school.
784
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,378
Not the happiest moment in my life.
785
00:46:41,256 --> 00:46:45,506
My name is Haley Robson,
and I was 16 when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
786
00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:50,389
Growing up in West Palm Beach,
I had a big family, lots of cousins.
787
00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:51,684
I have two sisters.
788
00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:56,056
My dad was a police officer.
My mom worked in banking.
789
00:46:57,523 --> 00:46:58,773
I love horses.
790
00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:01,526
I started riding when I was 11.
791
00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:04,070
Couple years later, I got competitive.
792
00:47:04,446 --> 00:47:07,446
This was probably
the most happy time of my life.
793
00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:11,576
But I had gone through
a traumatic experience
794
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:13,162
before I met Jeffrey Epstein.
795
00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:16,002
The summer before I turned 16,
796
00:47:16,416 --> 00:47:17,286
I was raped.
797
00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:20,416
[clears throat]
It was my first experience with a man.
798
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:22,590
He was 21.
799
00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:24,513
I just closed up.
800
00:47:25,092 --> 00:47:30,512
Um... I started using drugs.
I was drinking all the time, smoking weed.
801
00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:34,347
I just kind of wanted to just vanish,
just disappear.
802
00:47:37,729 --> 00:47:39,979
The girl that introduced me
to Jeffrey Epstein
803
00:47:40,482 --> 00:47:41,902
went to High School with me.
804
00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:47,454
She said, "I know this guy and he would
give me $200 just to give him a massage."
805
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:51,830
And my first immediate reaction
or thought that came to my mind was
806
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:54,080
"This is my ticket out of West Palm.
This is my way out."
807
00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:58,628
We drove to Palm Beach island...
808
00:48:00,794 --> 00:48:04,264
and we actually walked in...
It wasn't the front door.
809
00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:07,509
It was almost like this side door
that led into the kitchen.
810
00:48:09,803 --> 00:48:13,143
I remember we walked up a flight of stairs
that kind of curved.
811
00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:17,064
And the first thing that I noticed,
because it was so distracting,
812
00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:18,024
was the wall art.
813
00:48:20,272 --> 00:48:21,732
A lot of nudity.
814
00:48:22,649 --> 00:48:24,859
Naked statues, naked pictures.
815
00:48:25,611 --> 00:48:27,241
It made me feel uncomfortable...
816
00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:30,528
and then I saw, like,
a photograph of kids.
817
00:48:31,533 --> 00:48:32,663
It wasn't normal.
818
00:48:35,287 --> 00:48:37,577
The massage began as a massage,
819
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,210
then he turned over.
820
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:41,585
He was naked on the table.
821
00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:45,341
And I just remember feeling really scared.
822
00:48:46,548 --> 00:48:48,258
It just brought up a lot of bad...
823
00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:49,839
emotions.
824
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:52,969
[Recarey] Did he touch you?
825
00:48:53,055 --> 00:48:55,715
[Haley Robson]
Yeah, in inappropriate places.
826
00:48:56,850 --> 00:48:58,100
[Recarey] Does he use his hands?
827
00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:02,055
[Robson] He uses his hand,
and I guess it's like a vibrator.
828
00:49:02,689 --> 00:49:03,519
But, um...
829
00:49:04,524 --> 00:49:06,234
I refused to do that.
830
00:49:08,403 --> 00:49:10,993
He tried to touch me below the belt.
831
00:49:12,491 --> 00:49:13,741
I declined.
832
00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:17,655
Um, I told him I didn't feel comfortable.
"No, it's not going to happen."
833
00:49:17,996 --> 00:49:21,416
At that moment, he was offering me,
834
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,290
"Okay. Well,
this isn't going to happen, so...
835
00:49:24,711 --> 00:49:26,171
just if you have any friends,
836
00:49:26,254 --> 00:49:28,844
if you bring them to me,
I'll give you $200."
837
00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:31,586
-[Recarey] Just to bring a girl?
-[Robson] Yeah.
838
00:49:31,677 --> 00:49:34,347
[Recarey] The girl that was going
knew she would have to massage him.
839
00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:35,599
[Robson] She knew everything.
840
00:49:36,723 --> 00:49:38,683
[Recarey] How long
have you been working for him?
841
00:49:38,767 --> 00:49:40,637
[Robson] I probably worked for him
for a year.
842
00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:43,806
I probably recruited...
843
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:46,440
maybe 24 girls.
844
00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:49,698
[Robson] Those girls brought
other girls, too.
845
00:49:50,862 --> 00:49:53,202
-[Recarey] Okay.
-[Robson] So, it's like a train.
846
00:49:53,615 --> 00:49:55,025
[Recarey] Who else was underage?
847
00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:56,874
[Robson] Under 18?
848
00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:59,039
-All of them.
-[Recarey] All of them?
849
00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:00,001
[Robson] All of them.
850
00:50:01,456 --> 00:50:03,666
[Robson] I would recruit girls
that were friends.
851
00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,836
I would just casually bring it up.
852
00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:09,165
And we would drive together to his house.
853
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,800
I would take them to the room.
And then I would walk out.
854
00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:16,719
Sometimes I would wait out by the pool.
855
00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:20,931
When the girls would leave,
Jeffrey would come outside to pay me.
856
00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:26,436
He would say, you know, "How are you?
How is everything? How's your family?"
857
00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:29,823
He wanted you to think he was a friend
and that he cared.
858
00:50:32,571 --> 00:50:34,951
[Recarey] All right,
I talked to my boss for a little bit.
859
00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:37,123
-[Frick] Which is why I'm here.
-[Robson] Okay.
860
00:50:37,367 --> 00:50:38,697
[Frick] Um... [sniffles]
861
00:50:38,785 --> 00:50:39,825
[groans]
862
00:50:39,911 --> 00:50:42,911
At this point, you've clearly
implicated yourself in a crime.
863
00:50:42,998 --> 00:50:45,918
Okay? You've taken girls
to somebody's house
864
00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:47,671
for the purpose of prostitution.
865
00:50:47,753 --> 00:50:51,303
More importantly, and more significantly,
one of those girls was 14 at the time.
866
00:50:51,381 --> 00:50:54,631
Okay? Now that's a pretty significant
second-degree felony.
867
00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:01,557
I remember them being really tough on me,
and I think at one point I started crying.
868
00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:03,980
And I remember feeling really scared.
869
00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:08,441
And they treated me like
I was his right-hand man.
870
00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:12,193
But what about the girl that recruited me?
871
00:51:12,277 --> 00:51:15,857
What happened to her? What about the girl
that recruited the girl that recruited me?
872
00:51:17,866 --> 00:51:21,036
I feel like I've been putting
the blame on myself for so long,
873
00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:24,957
bashing myself,
and just being hard on myself,
874
00:51:25,707 --> 00:51:29,037
but I shouldn't feel guilty about it
because I was 16...
875
00:51:29,628 --> 00:51:30,838
and he's the adult,
876
00:51:31,505 --> 00:51:33,165
and he should not...
877
00:51:33,965 --> 00:51:35,375
make me feel...
878
00:51:36,218 --> 00:51:37,218
guilty.
879
00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:41,222
[sobbing] I've never said...
Never ever come forward like this.
880
00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:45,057
It just, like, brings up,
like, so many emotions.
881
00:51:51,691 --> 00:51:54,861
[Dr. Kathryn Stamoulis] The girls
that are recruiting the other girls
882
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:58,525
are definitely victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
883
00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:01,992
They were manipulated in a unique way.
884
00:52:03,495 --> 00:52:06,955
They were made to feel special,
885
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,340
and they were also offered opportunities
886
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:16,760
that could get them
out of their life circumstances.
887
00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:20,892
And the added bonus that
they didn't have to do anything sexual
888
00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,641
with this middle-aged man.
889
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:29,559
This is how Jeffrey Epstein created
a sexual pyramid scheme.
890
00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,567
[Reiter]
After months of our investigation,
891
00:52:39,656 --> 00:52:44,116
we realized that this was a way of life
for Mr. Epstein,
892
00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:48,495
and I believe he felt
that he would never be caught.
893
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:55,553
And so it was very important for us
to get inside of Mr. Epstein's home,
894
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:58,760
because we wanted to see
if there was additional evidence
895
00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:02,852
and to validate the information
given to us by the victims.
896
00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:06,515
But we had to be very careful.
897
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:11,270
We did not want to reveal to Mr. Epstein
that he was being investigated
898
00:53:11,354 --> 00:53:13,484
until we had an airtight case.
899
00:53:14,983 --> 00:53:17,323
Finally, seven months into the case,
900
00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:21,452
we felt as though that was the time
to execute the search warrant.
901
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,240
[dramatic music]
902
00:53:26,828 --> 00:53:29,918
[Recarey] This is a complete description
of the residence desired to be searched,
903
00:53:29,998 --> 00:53:32,078
including the curtilage attached thereof.
904
00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:36,173
I will leave a list
of what items we're taking.
905
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:44,679
[Reiter] We were extremely surprised
at what we found inside Epstein's house.
906
00:53:45,305 --> 00:53:47,385
[dramatic music]
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