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You're always looking for sexy.
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Everyone's always
looking for sexy.
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I'm always looking for sexy!
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But...
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smart is sexy.
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It is as if I know
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how wonderful this person,
this talent is.
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I'd rather see a bit
of a miracle, and then...
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just encourage it to keep
being miraculous because
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the thing about people,
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especially when they're young
and coming along,
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is that they're racked
with so much insecurity.
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They don't know
how fabulous they are.
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He seemed to be at the pulse
of the underground
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in New York City.
He was always, sort of,
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in that world of
Lou Reed and Iggy,
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the whole Warhol gang.
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He was sort of
the mayor of New York City,
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when it came to that.
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Danny's a connector,
like a fuel line in a car,
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which is, by the way, one of
the most dangerous places,
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a place where things
are liable to... erupt.
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He's been the handmaiden
to the gods,
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he's been midwife to
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some of the most important
people in music.
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I remember the first time
I went to his house,
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and I found the "Wall of Fame."
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And he said, "Yeah,
here's Janis and Patti..."
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Various stories,
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denigrating or otherwise,
about all of them.
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And then
there was a picture of me.
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You know, in a mirror,
putting my make-up on.
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I was really overwhelmed.
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Somehow I was preparing
my first trip to New York,
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Danny said, "Stay with me."
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Really, Danny was my
introduction to New York
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and the East Coast.
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And Danny was the first person
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to explain to me the importance
of a cover of a magazine.
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That meant something. We just
put any random thing on a cover.
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He said, "No, no, no,
when you do that,
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it signifies great importance."
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So that was
another revelation to me, so...
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You know, kinda just...
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Danny was an early teacher.
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Danny was one of those people
who was into rock 'n' roll
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and the rebellious edge
that it had,
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and he chose to work with
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the most rebellious
of those people.
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His art is knowing how to
place people within a context,
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and that context,
within the culture.
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All of the bands that were in
Danny's universe,
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whether he worked
with them or not,
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had a great,
great influence because
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they were doing something
that nobody else was doing.
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They created themselves
out of the stuff of...
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dust.
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He speeded up the evolution
in a tremendous way.
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Nothing was ever
the same after that.
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This music went on
to take over the world.
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I was born in Brooklyn.
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My father was in
and out of the war,
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so there was a lot of
grandparents and aunts.
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There were four sisters,
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and their idea
of sinning as teenagers,
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was to go out and eat shrimp
in a Chinese restaurant.
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God bless that generation.
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That's how they defied...
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tradition and parent control,
they ate shrimp.
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And I grew up with them,
so they were sort of
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four "Auntie Mames" in a way.
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My life was mainly my hobbies,
I had no friends.
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I went to school like
everybody else, I got all A's.
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I took a lot of amphetamines
cause my father was a doctor,
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so I've been taking
amphetamine every day
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since I was ten.
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But so was everyone else,
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my mother.
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There was a bowl of Desoxyn
on the dining room table,
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like people would have M&M's,
I don't know what Italians have,
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but we had Desoxyn and Dexamine.
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I always went against the grain,
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whether it was because
I was a little faggot,
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which everyone else knew but me,
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or whether it was because
I didn't like
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my parents' tastes in anything.
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Oh, it's Daniel's Bar Mitzvah!
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This is quality.
This is high class.
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Okay, there's my mother
and my father,
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and my little brother.
The traditional...
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kiss...
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The traditional pomade.
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My brother.
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Isn't this mortifying?
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Now, the main thing
at a Bar Mitzvah is all kids.
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Then, it was just a few kids,
and I hated kids.
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They had to scrape the bottom
of the genealogy barrel.
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Oh yay, hurray!
Aren't they nice?
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It's amazing to have something
like that, isn't it?
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Forest Hills!
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Home of the Ramones, right?
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When I was a teenager,
and I was at Penn...
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there was no right table.
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I was in the wrong table
from the get-go.
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The wrong city,
the wrong school.
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My best friend,
Steve Levine, said,
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"You have to see this singer."
And it was Nina Simone.
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♪ Say love me and leave me
And let me be lonely ♪
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♪ You won't believe me,
but I love you only ♪
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♪ I'd rather be lonely than
happy with somebody else... ♪
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She would come and
sit with the guys from Penn.
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She was so, I'd say insecure,
but she was humble.
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"Do you really think I'm good?"
kinda thing.
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"You think
what I'm doing will work?"
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Well, I don't know, we were 15!
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As long as
it's good enough for then,
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you can't think of what noise
this is gonna make
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in the history of history.
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And that was part of our
little crowd, trying to escape,
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the "Penn penitude,"
"penal-atude."
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Other schools looked so sexy
compared to
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all the Jew finance majors
at Penn.
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Yeah, I had straight A's.
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I was sixth in my class
of a thousand...
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and the youngest.
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One of our immediate crowd
was a flaming faggot
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who loved to get fucked.
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So I knew all the juicy ways,
what they did.
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The night I graduated college,
we went out to celebrate,
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and one of the things we did
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was to go take a look at the
promenade in Brooklyn Heights.
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They said it was very cruisy so
we went up and looked at it.
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You know...
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I'm 19,
I graduated college,
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and I stood there, and I did
everything he said they do.
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Like, you look,
and you wink and nod, and all...
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It's like you do a silent
"Hello, sailor,
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would you like to come over?"
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This is what they say!
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Whoa!
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I felt compelled to tell him
on the way back to his house,
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"I've never done this before."
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Of course he said,
"Oh, it'll be all right."
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So I always thought
I would fall in love at Harvard,
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but I didn't know how to fall
in love at Harvard Law School
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where everyone was 23 and
wearing a suit and a tie.
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No one had sat next to me
in Property
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or Civil Procedure
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that I wanted to go and have
a coffee date with.
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So I had to call Keith.
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"I haven't be able
to meet anyone like us."
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I don't know what I said.
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I don't know what word I used.
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Homosexual, I guess.
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"Are there homosexuals
in Boston?"
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And he said, "Yes, there are
two bars in Boston,
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The Punchbowl
and The Napoleon Club."
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I met people like Donald Lyons
and Hal Peterson
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and Harold Talbot,
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real aristocrats
of the mind and spirit.
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I was in the 99th percentile
on the law school aptitude test,
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no one could believe it
'cause I was flaky.
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I stopped going to class,
it was so boring,
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and I hung out with
a bunch of dissolute faggots,
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shoplifted a lot,
charged a lot,
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ran around Harvard Square
in a camel's hair coat
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and fucked a lot.
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That's what I always wanted
to do was fuck at Harvard.
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And I got a big chance to do it,
so I did it.
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Coming back to
New York and moving
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to Greenwich Village where...
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You know, I stayed in this hotel
and out the back window was
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lesbians, literally,
having pissing contests.
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Really, you think
that's just a word,
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but they really were doing it.
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They would press
their pussies, pissies,
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and see how strong
they could make it,
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so they could pee further.
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That's what it means, isn't it?
It's always what it means!
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But dykes could do it too and...
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Oh, God, welcome to
Greenwich Village, so...
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I had nine years of that
before the Stonewall.
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When I got to New York and
I met Danny and Jackie Curtis,
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it was all gay,
but it wasn't homosexual.
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It was really gay, I guess,
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the definition of gay
was just ha-ha.
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So what?
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When you talk about
Danny being out,
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he was never in.
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We never came out
to our parents,
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what's the point of that?
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Why would we want
to upset those old people for?
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You know?
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We were okay, we don't have
to bother them with it.
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You know, so gayness was not
a point of reference,
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it was certainly
not a definition.
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There was a columnist
named Lee Mortimer,
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who'd disclose and expose
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gay bars in New York.
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It's like finding
a protestant in Spain.
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They really were
rooting them out.
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I didn't feel harassed
by the police,
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but I didn't confront them
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like they did
at the Stonewall either.
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Fuck it!
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We had a good time and...
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we all had to fuck each other
'cause it was like lesbians.
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It wasn't like we could go
to the Firemen's Ball.
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And with the gay liberation came
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all these gay firemen
and stuff like...
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Oh!
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You know, that's nice,
be happy, but...
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I mean, I didn't wait my whole
life for firemen to come out...
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as a group.
Who cares?
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I was in search of crazy people.
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I'd just come from three years
in Philadelphia.
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What else would I want?
Christians?
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I want my people
with insanity in their blood.
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It was the same Sunday that
inThe New York Times magazine
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the lead story was
the soup cans.
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That was revolutionary.
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I thought that was really...
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pushing the bucket,
or whatever you...
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Cutting the envelope because
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everything good starts off
being hated
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byThe New York Times.
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Andy was sitting...
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on the sofa with Gerard,
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and there was a woman crawling
around the floor screaming,
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"Andy, I love you, I love you!"
It was Ivy Nicholson,
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it was Andy's girl of the year,
she was in love with him,
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and when she got close enough,
he'd kick her in the chin and
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she just moaned and
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went over to one of the windows
and started to climb out.
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I said, "Oh, my God!
That woman is going to jump!"
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And I put my arms around her.
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And then I said,
"There, there, you know,
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don't do something so silly."
And then...
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I dunno,
she took a sleeping pill,
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or someone gave her
a Quaalude.
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And then as we were leaving,
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someone said to me,
I thought it was Andy,
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"Boy, we were all hoping
she would jump!
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You sort of spoiled it
for everyone."
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I was uncool by saving
this person's life at a party.
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But the lesson is,
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it's sort of
an upper class thing,
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you don't get all excited
about anything.
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I thought,
"That suits me fine."
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That's it!
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I was not worried about
being uncool anymore...
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because I knew all it took
was to do nothing.
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That's the whole model of
what that world was saying.
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"You're better of doing nothing.
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Look at it,
and let the looking at it
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become the thing
that you're doing."
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Once you're in those
silver-aluminum rooms,
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you were in the world.
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It was like going through
the looking glass,
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it was action central,
people were coming to you.
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What a good way to be
in New York.
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It's the reason
anyone comes to New York.
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A point of contact with,
like, whatever is happening,
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recognized and creative,
and all that.
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That was The Factory.
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That was as in
as you could get.
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So then it's career time.
I'm living in the village and
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going to have a career
in publishing,
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and I'm gonna start
at the bottom.
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So I sold books at Double Days.
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Then I got a job through an
agency at Liquor Store Magazine,
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the monthly magazine
that goes to all owners
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of all liquor stores
in the United States.
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The day of the assassination,
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we were all sitting around
the receptionist's desk.
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She had a radio.
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I'm like paralyzed and the boss
came back from lunch and said,
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"What's going on here?"
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Someone managed to get out that
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the president
had just been killed.
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And he said, "Hmm, too bad
they didn't get his brother."
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I decided to have a party
because it was one week later.
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The Warhols were there,
the San Remos were there,
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and also all the people from
Harvard, and they sorta all met.
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The only thing that
we had to drink was
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vodka and grapefruit juice,
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which is just wonderful
'cause it's cheap,
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and it's potent
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and no one knows
what the proportions are.
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You can just turn them up,
or turn them down.
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No one on earth can tell,
until you see the effects.
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It's like a silent,
tasteless poison.
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In the middle of the evening,
the door opened and
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Nico came in, dressed in
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tattered levis
and tattered levi jacket.
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She came in with two men.
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One of whom was a Chilean count,
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and the other who was
an English dandy.
301
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And the room of
beautiful people just turned.
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She walked over to the table,
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and on which
there was a punchbowl,
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and...
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dipped the ladle in and
threw her head back and just...
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Man, showstopper.
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That's how I met Nico.
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She crashed my party,
then she got...
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She was in New York so
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she and the Warhols
picked up on each other.
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She began to sing
with The Velvet Underground.
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Being in the world of
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New York in the 60s was
transcending everything to me.
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I was with people
who were smart and
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00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:53,718
sexy and famous and brilliant
and talented and
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I had...
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what I had always wanted was
a pool from
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where I could find friends.
319
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That's what motivates me is
to be in the right crowd.
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In 1964, Tommy Goodwin,
everyone's favorite,
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00:15:13,956 --> 00:15:16,263
most beloved, beautiful guy,
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00:15:16,306 --> 00:15:19,614
drove down to New York
from Cambridge, and he said,
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00:15:19,657 --> 00:15:23,444
"Can my friend, Edie,
stay at your apartment tonight?"
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00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,757
I guess it was the first place
she stayed when she moved here.
325
00:15:32,801 --> 00:15:35,412
I think she was going
to model then, or something,
326
00:15:35,456 --> 00:15:37,588
she was into something fashiony.
327
00:15:37,632 --> 00:15:41,114
Then she met Andy, and then
she changed her hair and
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00:15:41,592 --> 00:15:43,246
she changed her look.
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00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:44,769
I remember
the first time he said
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he was going
to do a screen test with her.
331
00:15:47,903 --> 00:15:49,600
And I thought, "What?"
You know,
332
00:15:49,992 --> 00:15:52,255
"Gee, she's just
another pretty face."
333
00:15:52,299 --> 00:15:55,650
And then, we saw the screen test
like two days later,
334
00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:58,827
and it was just a revelation
for everybody who was there.
335
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Because Andy had seen
what she'd had,
336
00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:03,658
that she was bigger than life.
337
00:16:03,701 --> 00:16:05,138
And that's what a star is,
338
00:16:05,181 --> 00:16:07,531
someone who can stand
the spotlight
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00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:10,491
and continue to surprise
and delight her audiences.
340
00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:18,455
I mean she always attracted
and was attracted
341
00:16:18,499 --> 00:16:21,110
to the most brilliant
and crazy people.
342
00:16:21,154 --> 00:16:24,287
And a lot of these people were
probably mostly gay,
343
00:16:24,331 --> 00:16:25,636
but they were in love with her.
344
00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,508
I mean
seriously in love with her.
345
00:16:27,551 --> 00:16:29,292
- Andy was in love with her.
- Really?
346
00:16:29,336 --> 00:16:31,599
Oh, yeah, definitely,
he was as in love with her
347
00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:33,644
as any man can be
with any woman.
348
00:16:33,688 --> 00:16:37,300
Whoever you were, next to her,
you were strong in a way.
349
00:16:37,344 --> 00:16:39,650
'Cause she was so weak
in so many ways,
350
00:16:39,694 --> 00:16:42,001
and she was so strong
in so many ways.
351
00:16:42,044 --> 00:16:44,003
I don't know,
people are just born,
352
00:16:44,046 --> 00:16:46,179
they just keep turning up
in every generation.
353
00:16:48,355 --> 00:16:50,357
So Paul came down and...
354
00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,751
It was his first night ever
at The Factory and Andy was...
355
00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:56,406
Had the camera pointed at
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00:16:56,885 --> 00:16:59,366
the center of
this group of people and...
357
00:17:00,367 --> 00:17:03,848
he said to Paul, "Oh, you know
anything about movies?"
358
00:17:03,892 --> 00:17:07,983
And, "Oh, I can't get
all these people in the picture.
359
00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:09,550
I don't know what to do."
360
00:17:11,334 --> 00:17:12,509
And Paul said, "Well, there's
the thing called a pan,
361
00:17:12,553 --> 00:17:16,383
and you, very slowly,
you know...
362
00:17:17,123 --> 00:17:20,474
move the eye piece, whatever,
what you're looking through,
363
00:17:20,952 --> 00:17:22,911
until you get
all the people in."
364
00:17:22,954 --> 00:17:26,393
"Wow, we didn't really
think you could really do that.
365
00:17:26,436 --> 00:17:29,178
I've always seen it in movies,
but I didn't know how to do it.
366
00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:30,701
Oh, thank you."
367
00:17:30,745 --> 00:17:34,096
And this is how he learned
to make movies
368
00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:35,358
as if he made movies,
369
00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:37,056
This is a good metaphor
370
00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:40,407
for everything, we just
pretended there was no...
371
00:17:41,016 --> 00:17:42,539
known way of doing it,
372
00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:44,715
and maybe someone knew
a known way of doing it,
373
00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:46,543
and admit what we don't know.
374
00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:49,677
And be proud
of what we don't know.
375
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,635
And make a virtue
of what we don't know.
376
00:17:52,245 --> 00:17:53,289
And...
377
00:17:54,812 --> 00:17:59,556
turn a lack of expertise,
lack of virtuosity, into...
378
00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:01,819
an asset.
379
00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:13,744
So I was wondering,
380
00:18:15,442 --> 00:18:17,139
when was the first time
you ran into Cale or Reed?
381
00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:18,836
It was when the
Velvet Underground was playing
382
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,143
at the Café Bizarre.
383
00:18:21,187 --> 00:18:24,059
They were terrific and very
strange and wonderful.
384
00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:26,279
They immediately became
my favorite band.
385
00:18:26,975 --> 00:18:29,978
John was very intense
and poetic and Welsh.
386
00:18:30,021 --> 00:18:33,503
Lou was very arrogant
and difficult,
387
00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:35,244
and you must remember,
everybody in New York
388
00:18:35,288 --> 00:18:36,767
was in love with Lou Reed.
389
00:18:36,811 --> 00:18:40,119
That crush on Lou
was an energy that
390
00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:44,384
fueled a great deal of what
went on in and around the band.
391
00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:46,125
It became...
392
00:18:46,603 --> 00:18:47,430
corrupted...
393
00:18:49,084 --> 00:18:50,781
by the presence of a lot of
extraneous elements,
394
00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:53,306
like a psychedelic light show.
395
00:18:53,349 --> 00:18:56,961
I really think that's the reason
that the band didn't go
396
00:18:57,005 --> 00:18:58,963
the route of
rock 'n' roll success.
397
00:18:59,007 --> 00:19:03,142
John and Lou and Nico who were
so intense and incredible,
398
00:19:03,751 --> 00:19:05,970
were covered over
with flashing polka dots.
399
00:19:06,362 --> 00:19:08,016
I used to tell Lou and John
all the time,
400
00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:10,279
"Why don't you get rid
of that fucking light show?"
401
00:19:10,323 --> 00:19:11,846
And what was their response?
402
00:19:11,889 --> 00:19:12,934
They shrugged.
403
00:19:14,327 --> 00:19:15,937
That was their response
to anything.
404
00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:17,460
If someone said that to me,
I woulda shrugged too.
405
00:19:17,504 --> 00:19:20,637
Andy was inspirational in
conveying to him
406
00:19:20,681 --> 00:19:22,204
the importance of work.
407
00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:24,380
And I think Lou
would tell you this himself,
408
00:19:24,424 --> 00:19:27,470
I don't mean to put words
in his mouth, but he would say,
409
00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:29,385
"How many songs
did you write today, Lou?"
410
00:19:29,429 --> 00:19:30,517
And Lou would say, "Six."
411
00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:32,910
Andy would say,
"Ooh, that's not enough.
412
00:19:32,954 --> 00:19:32,997
You have to work harder."
413
00:19:34,521 --> 00:19:36,000
It was difficult
to prove your legitimacy.
414
00:19:36,044 --> 00:19:38,002
Everyone was a freak if you were
associated with Andy Warhol.
415
00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:39,874
Unless you were Andy himself,
416
00:19:39,917 --> 00:19:42,920
then you were just considered
some underground drug trash.
417
00:19:42,964 --> 00:19:46,750
Erase these bananas
and whip dancers from your mind,
418
00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:48,404
and listen to songs
419
00:19:48,448 --> 00:19:51,364
from one of the greatest
songwriters of all time.
420
00:19:54,541 --> 00:19:56,630
Then there was an ad
inThe New York Times,
421
00:19:56,673 --> 00:20:00,851
"Expanding Teen Magazine
seeks writer/editor.
422
00:20:00,895 --> 00:20:04,855
Young, hip, knowledge of
pop scene, some experience."
423
00:20:04,899 --> 00:20:07,031
I thought he meant
the pop art scene.
424
00:20:07,075 --> 00:20:10,339
So I wrote a letter
to the box atThe Times.
425
00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:13,342
It was all about how I believed
in great, beautiful people,
426
00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:14,778
and I loved kids.
427
00:20:14,822 --> 00:20:16,345
And also I dropped
a lot of names like
428
00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:18,869
Andy Warhol and Edie Sedgwick,
429
00:20:18,913 --> 00:20:20,871
I thought that's what he meant.
430
00:20:20,915 --> 00:20:22,786
So I went in
for an interview and
431
00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:25,224
I turned his head around,
I guess.
432
00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:27,051
How did you feel once you were
433
00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:28,531
right in the middle of pop
music?
434
00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:31,969
Hey! What? To go see a band,
five cute boys at once?
435
00:20:32,013 --> 00:20:33,536
As Pat Hartley used to say,
436
00:20:33,580 --> 00:20:36,322
"You bet your fucking ass
I'm a groupie!"
437
00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:58,605
So I thought, well, you know,
"Hey,
438
00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:00,650
The Velvet Underground,
my favorite band.
439
00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:03,087
I know all about it.
What do you have to know?"
440
00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:04,393
Of course back then,
441
00:21:04,437 --> 00:21:06,265
you really didn't have
to know very much.
442
00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:09,616
It was the year that everything
wonderful was happening.
443
00:21:09,659 --> 00:21:11,879
It was '65, '66, which was
444
00:21:11,922 --> 00:21:14,925
The Doors' first album, the
Mamas and Papas' first album,
445
00:21:14,969 --> 00:21:16,623
Aftermath from the Stones,
446
00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:18,494
I never liked the Beatles,
447
00:21:18,538 --> 00:21:20,540
but they had some album,
and that was okay, Revolver.
448
00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:23,282
There was all these first
albums, or watershed albums,
449
00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:26,110
that didn't sound like
anything else in the world.
450
00:21:26,154 --> 00:21:28,287
You just knew
this is the place to be!
451
00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:31,594
Everything that you get
in the music business is,
452
00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:32,987
when you first get in,
453
00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:34,771
is just given to you
by press agents.
454
00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:38,514
The first one I met
was a woman named Connie DeNave.
455
00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:42,779
Her assistant took me to,
guess where, Brooklyn!
456
00:21:42,823 --> 00:21:46,392
These three women came out
in bright yellow dresses,
457
00:21:46,435 --> 00:21:48,394
and I went crazy.
458
00:21:48,437 --> 00:21:52,615
That was my first maybe
rock 'n' roll-go-crazy moment,
459
00:21:52,659 --> 00:21:54,835
like, I lifted off my seat.
460
00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:58,447
♪ Whenever I'm with him
461
00:21:58,491 --> 00:22:02,146
♪ Something inside's
462
00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:04,018
♪ Still burning
463
00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:07,848
♪ And I'm filled with desire
464
00:22:08,501 --> 00:22:10,764
♪ Could it be a devil in me
465
00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:13,593
♪ Or is this the way
love's supposed to be? ♪
466
00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,682
♪ It's like a heat wave
467
00:22:15,725 --> 00:22:18,337
♪ Burning in my heart
468
00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:20,861
♪ I can't keep from crying
469
00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:23,864
♪ It's tearing me apart...
470
00:22:24,647 --> 00:22:27,650
I was earthquaked
471
00:22:27,694 --> 00:22:30,697
by Martha and the Vandellas.
472
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:32,351
Boy, if that's what
this is about,
473
00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:34,570
it's gonna be a fun business.
474
00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:45,973
The Rolling Stones were giving
a press party
475
00:22:46,016 --> 00:22:49,280
in the form of a boat ride.
I got there late.
476
00:22:49,324 --> 00:22:51,370
My photographer
was the reason I was late
477
00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:54,895
'cause he arrived with no film
and we missed the fucking boat!
478
00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:58,377
A limo pulled up
and Gloria Stavers got out.
479
00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:00,117
She was my archrival then,
480
00:23:00,161 --> 00:23:02,381
she was like way number one
in the field.
481
00:23:02,903 --> 00:23:04,861
This guy in a rowboat
came up and said,
482
00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:07,037
"You two guys want a ride
to that boat?"
483
00:23:07,081 --> 00:23:08,169
It'll be...
484
00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:10,127
$20.
485
00:23:10,171 --> 00:23:11,868
I said,
"Gloria, you wanna go in it?"
486
00:23:11,912 --> 00:23:13,479
She said,
"I wouldn't pay 20 cents
487
00:23:13,522 --> 00:23:15,394
for the fucking
Rolling Stones,"
488
00:23:15,437 --> 00:23:17,570
and got back in her car
and drove away.
489
00:23:18,092 --> 00:23:19,136
The boat docked.
490
00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:22,357
A beautiful girl got off,
carrying a camera.
491
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:25,273
It was Linda Eastman,
her photographs were so great.
492
00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:27,754
And we became best friends.
493
00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,278
She had this quality that...
494
00:23:31,061 --> 00:23:34,761
I find in...
In Libra females.
495
00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:36,980
It's that men have a tendency
to dance for them,
496
00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:38,591
to please them.
497
00:23:38,634 --> 00:23:40,680
She always had that quality,
498
00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:44,074
she took the best pictures
of pretty people.
499
00:23:44,118 --> 00:23:46,860
And I wanted to write
a lot about The Byrds.
500
00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:50,559
And Cass Elliot and
The Velvet Underground.
501
00:23:50,603 --> 00:23:52,561
The publisher was very canny,
502
00:23:52,605 --> 00:23:56,217
and he investigated
London literary agencies,
503
00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:58,001
and bought a bunch of interviews
504
00:23:58,045 --> 00:23:59,568
that Maureen Cleave,
505
00:23:59,612 --> 00:24:01,527
a journalist and
a friend of The Beatles,
506
00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:03,920
had done in England.
507
00:24:03,964 --> 00:24:05,661
And they had
508
00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:07,837
Paul McCartney saying,
509
00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,840
"It's a lousy country where
anyone black is a dirty nigger!"
510
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:13,147
Whoa, that was nice.
511
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:14,322
And John Lennon said,
512
00:24:15,976 --> 00:24:17,064
"I don't know what'll go first,
rock 'n' roll or Christianity!"
513
00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:18,761
"We're more popular than Jesus."
514
00:24:18,805 --> 00:24:20,589
And here I was
with this magazine,
515
00:24:20,633 --> 00:24:23,200
I was competing with16,
I didn't wanna do,
516
00:24:23,636 --> 00:24:27,248
you know, how nice
is Herman to his family,
517
00:24:27,291 --> 00:24:31,339
or you know, something,
or this secret of Paul Revere's
518
00:24:31,861 --> 00:24:33,602
you know, favorite color.
519
00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:35,909
I just wanna do
something different!
520
00:24:35,952 --> 00:24:38,520
I said, "Well, let's just,
hey, put it out.
521
00:24:38,999 --> 00:24:41,001
See what happens,
maybe we'll get famous."
522
00:24:41,044 --> 00:24:42,089
Ha-ha.
523
00:24:42,132 --> 00:24:43,482
If I had said, "We're more...
524
00:24:44,352 --> 00:24:46,485
"Television is
more popular than Jesus,"
525
00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:47,877
I might've got away with it.
526
00:24:50,924 --> 00:24:52,316
I just happened to be talking
to a friend, I used
527
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,579
the word "Beatles"
528
00:24:53,622 --> 00:24:55,624
as a remote thing,
not as what I think,
529
00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:57,931
as Beatles as those
other Beatles,
530
00:24:57,974 --> 00:24:59,541
like other people see us.
531
00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:03,980
I just said they are having more
influence on kids and things
532
00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:05,982
than anything else,
including Jesus.
533
00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:09,986
But I said it in that way,
which is the wrong way. Yap-yap.
534
00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:12,946
The magazine came out
on the eve of the Beatles tour,
535
00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:15,862
in the summer of 1966.
536
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:21,041
Some proper little
Christian teenager saw...
537
00:25:21,868 --> 00:25:24,479
this thing about Christianity,
the word "Christ,"
538
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:29,615
whatever gets these people
juicing or drooling, whatever.
539
00:25:29,658 --> 00:25:32,226
I just cannot understand
540
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:34,358
why I have to share
this country with them.
541
00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:38,667
- And she got all in a thing...
- Socialist experiment?
542
00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:42,715
Twat steaming and
ran to a disk jockey in...
543
00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:45,979
Don't you know, there's
three States it could be?
544
00:25:46,022 --> 00:25:47,458
In Alabama.
545
00:25:47,502 --> 00:25:49,199
And he got outraged,
546
00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:52,159
and he went on
the radio on his show and
547
00:25:52,202 --> 00:25:54,291
called attention to...
548
00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:57,556
this blasphemy
549
00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,559
on the part of the
beloved Beatles because...
550
00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:05,128
Remember, guys didn't like them
because they looked like
551
00:26:05,172 --> 00:26:07,783
girly-girly with that hair!
552
00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:09,698
If you, as an American teenager,
553
00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:13,136
are offended by statements from
a group of foreign singers which
554
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:15,399
strike at the very basis
of our existence,
555
00:26:15,443 --> 00:26:17,445
as god-fearing,
patriotic citizens,
556
00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:20,056
then we urge you
to take your Beatles' records,
557
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,232
pictures and souvenirs,
to the pick-up points
558
00:26:22,276 --> 00:26:23,886
about to be named,
559
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:27,281
and on the night of the Beatles'
appearance in Memphis, Aug 19th,
560
00:26:27,673 --> 00:26:28,761
they will be destroyed
561
00:26:30,501 --> 00:26:31,677
in a huge public bonfire
at a place to be named soon.
562
00:26:33,243 --> 00:26:34,549
Stay tuned to WAQY
for further developments.
563
00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,684
They were playing
stadiums and giant things,
564
00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:40,729
it was 10 days in America,
I think,
565
00:26:40,773 --> 00:26:42,731
and they flew into Memphis,
566
00:26:42,775 --> 00:26:46,909
and someone, as they say,
looked out the window and said,
567
00:26:46,953 --> 00:26:48,824
"Wow, there's snow
on the ground!"
568
00:26:49,303 --> 00:26:50,913
Wow, it's Memphis, you know,
569
00:26:50,957 --> 00:26:54,047
the beloved city
of Elvis and Sun Studios.
570
00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:57,050
And they got closer,
and someone said,
571
00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,661
"That's not snow!
It's the KKK!"
572
00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:02,533
The Beatles made a statement
in all the newspapers that
573
00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:06,015
they're getting more better
than Jesus himself and
574
00:27:06,059 --> 00:27:08,583
the Ku Klux Klan,
being a religious order,
575
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:09,976
is gonna come out here,
576
00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:12,326
the night that they appear
at the coliseum here,
577
00:27:13,153 --> 00:27:15,155
and we're gonna
demonstrate with...
578
00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:20,464
different ways and tactics
to stop this performance.
579
00:27:20,508 --> 00:27:23,206
We're known as a terror
organization, I think we have...
580
00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:24,294
A terror organization?
581
00:27:24,338 --> 00:27:26,035
We have ways and means
to stop this
582
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:27,863
if this is gonna
be the case, yeah.
583
00:27:27,907 --> 00:27:29,517
What ways and means?
584
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,172
Oh, I don't wanna say this but
there'll be a lot of surprises
585
00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:34,783
on Monday night, I believe,
when they get here.
586
00:27:34,827 --> 00:27:36,655
What did I do...
587
00:27:37,394 --> 00:27:38,613
really?
588
00:27:40,441 --> 00:27:43,313
I didn't have to put Jesus
Christ on the top of the page,
589
00:27:43,357 --> 00:27:45,098
and the word nigger on...
590
00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:46,969
When's the last time
you saw the word nigger
591
00:27:47,013 --> 00:27:50,451
on the cover of a magazine
for 11-year-olds?
592
00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:51,844
For anybody?
593
00:27:51,887 --> 00:27:54,629
Anybody!
He's saying it like...
594
00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:57,676
that's bad to call
someone a nigger.
595
00:27:58,372 --> 00:28:00,635
You know,
what's wrong with that?
596
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,158
I didn't love them that much,
597
00:28:02,202 --> 00:28:04,595
but I certainly loved them
more than Jesus.
598
00:28:05,248 --> 00:28:08,295
You know, I mean, they're
more important to me
599
00:28:08,338 --> 00:28:11,515
than to Jesus, right?
I mean than Jesus was.
600
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,562
What did Jesus
ever fucking do for me?
601
00:28:14,605 --> 00:28:16,433
If you think I did that to be...
602
00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:19,959
To cause them trouble.
603
00:28:20,568 --> 00:28:21,569
No.
604
00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:24,267
Only but in the sense that...
605
00:28:25,442 --> 00:28:26,922
it's about time...
606
00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:28,881
You know...
607
00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:32,145
Look at Lenny Bruce,
it's about time
608
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:36,715
more people got in trouble
for saying the right things.
609
00:28:37,324 --> 00:28:39,065
Look what Dylan is doing.
610
00:28:39,108 --> 00:28:42,590
You know, it's all emerging now.
611
00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:45,071
I wanted to make some trouble,
612
00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:48,552
I didn't want them to have
to live through a week of...
613
00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:50,380
death threats.
614
00:28:50,424 --> 00:28:53,557
I wouldn't want that for anyone!
615
00:28:53,601 --> 00:28:54,733
Mm, mm...
616
00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:56,778
Uh...
617
00:28:57,257 --> 00:28:59,128
I wouldn't want them
to be killed.
618
00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:01,914
But I think
some death threats would be...
619
00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:06,832
I can think of some people who
could use some death threats.
620
00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:07,963
You know what
the happy ending is,
621
00:29:09,704 --> 00:29:11,227
lightning hit the radio station,
in Alabama and it fell down.
622
00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:14,578
Is that the ending to the story?
623
00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:15,841
That's true.
Isn't that great?
624
00:29:17,538 --> 00:29:20,671
So anyhow, the real end is that
many years later when I...
625
00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:23,065
for a while...
626
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:24,806
was acquainted
with Paul socially
627
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,808
because he was married to
my dear friend,
628
00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:29,289
Linda Eastman McCartney.
629
00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,770
And I said to him once,
630
00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:34,076
"You know, Paul,
631
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,514
remember with the magazine,
with the "more popular..."
632
00:29:38,211 --> 00:29:39,299
"Yeah."
633
00:29:39,342 --> 00:29:40,779
I said, "That was me."
634
00:29:41,475 --> 00:29:43,129
And he said,
"So you're the one."
635
00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:46,262
Because they really did
never perform again.
636
00:29:46,306 --> 00:29:48,612
After that Sunday night
at Candlestick Park...
637
00:29:48,656 --> 00:29:50,440
So you, Danny Fields,
broke the Beatles up?
638
00:29:50,484 --> 00:29:52,747
- No, I didn't!
- That's what you told me!
639
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:53,792
No.
640
00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:57,230
Don't be backtracking
now that we're on the air!
641
00:29:57,273 --> 00:30:00,102
Look, if you had to sell
a candy bar in 20 words or less.
642
00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:02,061
I want to ask you if
you think that prediction
643
00:30:02,104 --> 00:30:03,540
was accurate, by the way.
644
00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:06,805
I don't know what'll go first,
rock 'n' roll or Christianity.
645
00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,502
Somehow I think
it's rock 'n' roll.
646
00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:17,511
The first time I heard
they had a cute lead singer was
647
00:30:17,554 --> 00:30:20,731
a friend of mine named Pat
Hartley who was a movie actress,
648
00:30:20,775 --> 00:30:24,126
and she came screaming
into Max's one night and said,
649
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:26,737
"Ooh, there's the cutest lead
singer of a new group
650
00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:28,130
playing at Ondines
called The Doors,"
651
00:30:28,174 --> 00:30:29,349
at which point I said,
652
00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:33,832
"Yee, I promised their person
I would go in and look at them!"
653
00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:35,964
And there was
this little small audience,
654
00:30:36,008 --> 00:30:38,227
and you could stand or sit
or just mill around,
655
00:30:38,271 --> 00:30:41,317
and then there were maybe two
dozen people paying attention.
656
00:30:41,361 --> 00:30:43,580
Steve Harris:
I came from the Dick Clark era.
657
00:30:43,624 --> 00:30:46,757
If you saw somebody
that was really attractive,
658
00:30:46,801 --> 00:30:47,758
Dick would play it.
659
00:30:49,151 --> 00:30:51,414
Jim Morrison,
when I saw his picture, I said,
660
00:30:51,458 --> 00:30:53,286
"If he could read
the phone book on key,
661
00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:54,983
you're gonna make millions."
662
00:30:55,027 --> 00:30:58,204
I met Danny when I went
to see the group rehearsing.
663
00:30:58,247 --> 00:30:59,422
And I said,
"I'm the New York
664
00:30:59,466 --> 00:31:00,902
press agent for The Doors."
665
00:31:00,946 --> 00:31:02,512
He said,
"How wonderful, a press agent!
666
00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:03,949
We've never had a press agent
connected...
667
00:31:03,992 --> 00:31:05,472
But who decided
668
00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:07,039
that you were the press agent
for The Doors?
669
00:31:07,082 --> 00:31:08,214
I did!
670
00:31:09,824 --> 00:31:12,827
He kind of appeared to be
a hippie yenta.
671
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:16,004
I told Jac that I met somebody
that knew everything,
672
00:31:16,048 --> 00:31:18,964
and could wind up,
with his knowledge,
673
00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:22,010
going after
specific types of acts.
674
00:31:22,054 --> 00:31:24,360
So I went up to Elektra
and I said hi,
675
00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:26,058
and they said,
"Oh, boy, are we happy
676
00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:28,364
to have a press agent,
we've never seen one before!"
677
00:31:28,408 --> 00:31:30,497
And I said,
"I'm glad to be of help.
678
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:32,542
By the way, I must say that
679
00:31:32,586 --> 00:31:35,371
they were doing one very
intriguing song last night."
680
00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:36,895
I said, "It was real catchy."
681
00:31:36,938 --> 00:31:38,200
So they played me
the first single,
682
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:40,855
which was "Break On Through",
I said, "That's not it!
683
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:42,161
Something about a fire."
684
00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:52,823
"Oh, 'Light My Fire',
685
00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:54,869
oh, that can't be a single,
it's seven minutes long."
686
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:57,219
And I said, "That's too big,
can't you cut it down?"
687
00:31:57,263 --> 00:32:00,005
And they said, "You can't cut
down a song, that's heretical.
688
00:32:00,048 --> 00:32:01,006
You can't do that."
689
00:32:02,616 --> 00:32:04,183
Finally, they figured out
it could be cut down,
690
00:32:04,226 --> 00:32:05,401
and they remembered that I was
the first person
691
00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:06,489
outside the company
692
00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,884
who suggested that
they really try to cut it down.
693
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,407
And, of course,
with the release of that song,
694
00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:12,931
that became
a different record company.
695
00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:14,541
Then they
called me up from Elektra
696
00:32:14,584 --> 00:32:15,672
and asked to come and
work for them
697
00:32:17,326 --> 00:32:18,327
as a full-time to create
a publicity department.
698
00:32:19,763 --> 00:32:21,417
Danny was plugged in
to another part of the scene,
699
00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:23,463
the part of the scene
that was bubbling under.
700
00:32:23,506 --> 00:32:25,639
But also he stayed up
later at night,
701
00:32:25,682 --> 00:32:27,597
and that was a big plus for us
702
00:32:27,641 --> 00:32:29,512
because then Elektra
was on the street
703
00:32:29,991 --> 00:32:31,471
while I was asleep.
704
00:32:33,342 --> 00:32:36,128
We had great plans for
him in our heads then because
705
00:32:36,171 --> 00:32:40,610
the buzz was starting to invent
him as a major sex object.
706
00:32:40,654 --> 00:32:43,091
Gloria had seen pictures of him,
707
00:32:43,135 --> 00:32:46,225
was intrigued with his record
and his photographs.
708
00:32:46,268 --> 00:32:49,445
This was my next thing,
I was gonna go to California
709
00:32:49,489 --> 00:32:52,187
to set up a phone call
between him and Gloria.
710
00:32:52,231 --> 00:32:55,582
This is how expense accounts
worked in those days.
711
00:32:55,625 --> 00:32:58,106
I flew to California
to set up a phone call.
712
00:32:58,150 --> 00:33:01,631
People in California, it was
a joke then, but it was true,
713
00:33:01,675 --> 00:33:03,677
they would do one thing a day.
714
00:33:04,504 --> 00:33:07,855
And if you asked someone what
they did, they would say...
715
00:33:08,595 --> 00:33:10,162
"I washed my hair today."
716
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:15,167
Long pause, and that was it,
and you would say, "Oh, I...
717
00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:16,472
You know...
718
00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:17,473
Made a salad.
719
00:33:18,909 --> 00:33:18,997
That wasn't
because of drugs?
720
00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:23,175
No, I think they were all
just winding down so fast
721
00:33:23,218 --> 00:33:25,829
and finding that...
Everybody did this,
722
00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:28,789
then nobody would ask
anybody to do anything more.
723
00:33:28,832 --> 00:33:31,444
And I saw them perform in San
Francisco, it was very jolly.
724
00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:33,011
And I went backstage.
725
00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:35,274
I was horrified.
726
00:33:35,317 --> 00:33:38,364
It was like a sort of statue,
just sitting there,
727
00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:41,715
and there were all these
groupie things.
728
00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:43,934
Dirty girls.
729
00:33:43,978 --> 00:33:47,503
Just rags and dirt,
and things falling off them,
730
00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:50,463
and too much eye make-up
and a dopey, glazed look.
731
00:33:50,506 --> 00:33:53,509
I was concerned that
this was bad for his image.
732
00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:55,424
What if a photographer got this?
733
00:33:55,468 --> 00:33:58,688
Gloria had told me that they're
always supposed to be alone.
734
00:33:58,732 --> 00:34:00,473
Alone is sexy.
735
00:34:00,516 --> 00:34:02,736
You're never supposed
to see them with a girl.
736
00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:04,912
I made him make the call
to Gloria,
737
00:34:04,955 --> 00:34:07,349
she asked him her questions,
I got on the phone with her,
738
00:34:07,393 --> 00:34:09,047
she said, "That was very
interesting, I look forward
739
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:10,396
to meeting this young man."
740
00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:14,095
And then,
as we were about to leave,
741
00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:17,142
I had a little electric bulb
in my head.
742
00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:20,493
And I said,
"Say, Jim, I'm staying with a...
743
00:34:20,536 --> 00:34:24,192
an interesting chanteuse
called Nico, up in the Hills."
744
00:34:24,236 --> 00:34:26,194
And I thought I would
bring him up there,
745
00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:27,717
and then he would
fall in love with Nico,
746
00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:29,545
and then he would see
the error of his ways,
747
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:32,374
in letting all
these slimy, little groupies...
748
00:34:32,418 --> 00:34:34,376
And he would never
settle for a woman
749
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:37,727
less beautiful, or mystical
or exotic than Nico.
750
00:34:37,771 --> 00:34:39,425
And since
there weren't too many,
751
00:34:39,468 --> 00:34:41,383
then he would never have
too many girlfriends,
752
00:34:41,427 --> 00:34:43,559
and my plot would be on its way.
753
00:34:57,007 --> 00:34:58,966
We finally got up to the house.
754
00:34:59,009 --> 00:35:03,275
And Nico was standing
in the doorway.
755
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:05,407
And he just looked at her,
756
00:35:05,451 --> 00:35:07,148
and she looked at him,
and then they both
757
00:35:07,192 --> 00:35:09,455
cast their glances downward.
758
00:35:09,498 --> 00:35:11,848
They stared
at some imaginary spot
759
00:35:11,892 --> 00:35:14,068
on the floor in between them.
760
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,637
And I tried to start
a little chatteroonie.
761
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,247
And I saw
this was going nowhere,
762
00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:21,249
this was some kind of thing
they were acting out.
763
00:35:21,293 --> 00:35:22,816
And I came back
about an hour later,
764
00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:24,774
they were still
in the exact same positions,
765
00:35:24,818 --> 00:35:26,124
they hadn't moved.
766
00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:27,255
And they hadn't said anything?
767
00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:28,300
They hadn't said anything.
768
00:35:29,692 --> 00:35:29,866
This is their way
of acknowledging,
769
00:35:31,738 --> 00:35:33,783
"You're a beautiful, special,
poetic person," I suppose...
770
00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:37,439
Edie was after...
I had some pills with me,
771
00:35:37,483 --> 00:35:40,486
I always traveled
with a little drug case then.
772
00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:41,791
I hid them...
773
00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:44,577
somewhere under a bed,
under a mattress,
774
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,970
between two blankets
and another mattress,
775
00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:49,451
and she got them.
She found them,
776
00:35:49,495 --> 00:35:52,280
and she took about half
of everything that was there.
777
00:35:52,324 --> 00:35:54,761
I don't know how she did,
when she was in the room,
778
00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:56,502
but she did and she was magical.
779
00:35:56,937 --> 00:35:59,722
She was having an affair
with Dino Valenti, he wrote,
780
00:35:59,766 --> 00:36:03,204
"Come on, everybody,
781
00:36:03,248 --> 00:36:05,206
shine on your brother,
782
00:36:05,772 --> 00:36:07,208
let's love one another..."
783
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:09,993
And the evening wore by.
and the day wore by,
784
00:36:10,037 --> 00:36:12,344
and he and I
went up to the room,
785
00:36:12,387 --> 00:36:14,737
and we started smoking
a lot of hash.
786
00:36:14,781 --> 00:36:17,740
I started making a major speech
to him about
787
00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:21,222
"I have these things
in mind for you
788
00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:24,486
and life is a roller-coaster
and stardom is a trip and..."
789
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:27,837
I didn't know what I was doing,
I was just sounding like
790
00:36:27,881 --> 00:36:30,536
every movie I had ever seen
791
00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:33,321
about what's in store,
and play the game.
792
00:36:33,365 --> 00:36:36,672
He would just open his palm
about every five minutes,
793
00:36:36,716 --> 00:36:38,631
and asked for another drug.
794
00:36:38,674 --> 00:36:40,328
Incredible amount of hash.
795
00:36:40,372 --> 00:36:42,591
About six hits
of orange sunshine.
796
00:36:43,244 --> 00:36:44,811
Nobody in those days
797
00:36:44,854 --> 00:36:47,379
got scared
about taking too much?
798
00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:49,642
I was scared!
I thought he was gonna die!
799
00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:50,817
I had never seen...
800
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:51,905
This was like...
801
00:36:52,949 --> 00:36:53,907
Enough drugs for me and
802
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:56,518
everybody I met in two weeks in
California!
803
00:36:56,562 --> 00:36:57,215
But you kept giving it to him?
804
00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:00,435
I kept giving it to him,
he wouldn't answer.
805
00:37:00,479 --> 00:37:01,871
And I would say,
"What do you think about that
806
00:37:01,915 --> 00:37:03,786
flight of brilliance, Jim."
807
00:37:04,483 --> 00:37:06,224
"Got any more acid, man?"
808
00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:09,227
In the middle of the night,
809
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:12,795
David Neuman came running
into my room and said,
810
00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:15,450
"Oh, my God, you have
to see what's happening!"
811
00:37:15,494 --> 00:37:17,496
She was in the courtyard.
812
00:37:18,105 --> 00:37:21,282
She was crying and screaming,
and he was naked
813
00:37:21,326 --> 00:37:23,589
up on top of this house.
814
00:37:23,632 --> 00:37:28,594
And he was walking on it,
like jumping over the gaps.
815
00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:30,248
Totally naked.
816
00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:32,293
Jesus, what if he falls off?
817
00:37:32,337 --> 00:37:36,210
Am I gonna lose my job?
It's all I could think of.
818
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,820
Who cared about him?
819
00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:40,258
She came flying into my room
and threw herself
820
00:37:40,301 --> 00:37:41,911
on the bed and she was
crying hysterically.
821
00:37:41,955 --> 00:37:44,262
I never found out
what had happened, I mean,
822
00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:48,048
"He is so evil,
oh, he is so evil."
823
00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:51,094
"Oh, Nico, calm down and go
to bed, he's just stoned."
824
00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:55,751
I went to his car and I took
the keys out of the ignition,
825
00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:57,797
and put them
under the floor mat.
826
00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:00,060
The next morning dawned,
827
00:38:00,103 --> 00:38:02,323
and he said,
"Give me my car keys!"
828
00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:06,327
And I said, "No, you're in
no condition to drive."
829
00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:08,547
He was not smiling because
830
00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:13,639
it totally reversed
everything that he stood for,
831
00:38:13,682 --> 00:38:15,510
and everything that
he tried to project.
832
00:38:15,554 --> 00:38:18,296
Nico and Edie
suggested we go over to
833
00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:21,603
some friend of theirs house
who had a swimming pool.
834
00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:24,476
We got to this house,
he didn't have a bathing suit.
835
00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:27,348
So I went through this pile of
bathing suits and I said,
836
00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:29,829
"Here, Jim, this looks like
it will fit you. Put this on
837
00:38:29,872 --> 00:38:31,613
and then we will go swimming."
838
00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:33,180
"Where's my car keys, man?"
839
00:38:33,223 --> 00:38:35,443
I said, "We'll find them later,
put this on."
840
00:38:35,487 --> 00:38:38,141
That's when he took off his
thing and he got naked,
841
00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:40,100
and I saw his cock,
which was very big.
842
00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:41,971
What do you mean
very big?
843
00:38:42,015 --> 00:38:42,885
It was long.
844
00:38:44,191 --> 00:38:45,061
It was like a salami,
it was long.
845
00:38:45,105 --> 00:38:46,498
We all drove back to the house.
846
00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:49,327
We found that
all the dining room chairs
847
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:50,893
had been put on the table,
848
00:38:50,937 --> 00:38:52,982
and there was a still
fromChelsea Girls,
849
00:38:53,026 --> 00:38:55,811
on the back of it, it said,
"Jim, your ass is mud.
850
00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:58,640
Call us and
get to rehearsal fast."
851
00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:02,165
I said, "Have you looked
under the mat of your car?
852
00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:04,951
Perhaps you put the keys there,
as so many people do."
853
00:39:05,647 --> 00:39:08,650
And he gave me a look like, "Oh,
so that's where you hid them."
854
00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:10,696
And he got them
and he drove away.
855
00:39:10,739 --> 00:39:12,480
And he hated me from that
point on.
856
00:39:12,524 --> 00:39:15,440
He was constantly trying
to get Jac Holzman to fire me.
857
00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:17,180
- Why?
- From Elektra records.
858
00:39:17,224 --> 00:39:19,487
Well, cause I had kidnapped him.
859
00:39:19,531 --> 00:39:21,359
Jim got really pissed.
860
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:23,230
And he called me, and he said,
861
00:39:23,273 --> 00:39:25,363
"Keep Danny Fields
away from me!
862
00:39:25,406 --> 00:39:28,235
And I'm gonna call Jac now."
863
00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:31,847
The only person I knew
who wasn't a big fan of Danny's
864
00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:32,979
was Jim Morrison.
865
00:39:34,459 --> 00:39:36,548
If you get to close to one
of your artists personally
866
00:39:36,591 --> 00:39:38,201
that when you have
to sit down and have
867
00:39:38,245 --> 00:39:40,160
a hard talk...
868
00:39:40,987 --> 00:39:42,075
it's tougher to do.
869
00:39:43,729 --> 00:39:45,252
But we needed someone
to stay close to that group.
870
00:39:45,295 --> 00:39:46,427
And you felt
Danny was too close?
871
00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:49,169
No, I have no idea.
872
00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:54,217
In his later days,
he is said to have become nicer.
873
00:39:54,261 --> 00:39:56,916
However, when I went to visit
874
00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:59,309
his widow
to give her my condolences,
875
00:39:59,353 --> 00:40:01,747
the lovely Pamela,
who didn't live long after that.
876
00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:05,881
And the dog kept jumping on me,
and she told me it was Jim,
877
00:40:05,925 --> 00:40:07,535
and I went...
878
00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:08,884
And he vomited on me.
879
00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:13,889
I swear to God it's the truth,
I have witnesses.
880
00:40:14,281 --> 00:40:17,458
- He won't die.
- The reincarnation.
881
00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:19,504
No, he doesn't need
a reincarnation,
882
00:40:19,547 --> 00:40:22,724
he is incarnated at all times.
883
00:40:24,596 --> 00:40:26,206
This is a song that we...
884
00:40:26,249 --> 00:40:30,515
We first sang together in a
hotel room in Newport.
885
00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:31,603
That's right.
886
00:40:32,125 --> 00:40:33,561
That's right, at the festival.
887
00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:34,780
- Yeah.
- It was.
888
00:40:35,215 --> 00:40:37,043
- We sang it all night.
- I know!
889
00:40:44,354 --> 00:40:48,446
♪ Yes, I loved you in the
morning ♪
890
00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:52,754
♪ Our kisses deep and warm...
891
00:40:52,798 --> 00:40:54,582
Danny was one of the people
that just flipped out
892
00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:56,279
over Leonard Cohen's music.
893
00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:57,803
He just thought
it was wonderful.
894
00:40:57,846 --> 00:40:59,935
And we all were
at Newport learning,
895
00:40:59,979 --> 00:41:01,763
"Hey, That's No Way
to Say Good-bye."
896
00:41:01,807 --> 00:41:03,417
And Danny was singing,
897
00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:06,594
and we were all, of course,
drinking and carousing
898
00:41:06,638 --> 00:41:08,030
and having a great time.
899
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:11,469
I decided to take acid,
'cause I was near the water
900
00:41:11,512 --> 00:41:14,950
and I always found that
when I tried it in the city,
901
00:41:14,994 --> 00:41:18,780
I'd start hallucinating over
an oil slick.
902
00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:20,739
"Whoa, those colors."
903
00:41:20,782 --> 00:41:24,003
So I thought, you know,
nature is better.
904
00:41:24,046 --> 00:41:27,528
I didn't realize I would end up
in the hotel room of...
905
00:41:28,224 --> 00:41:32,098
two super-human or extra-human,
projective artists.
906
00:41:32,141 --> 00:41:37,451
And I'm on the floor,
exploring E = MC2 over H.
907
00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:39,627
She looked over me and she said,
908
00:41:39,671 --> 00:41:42,369
"Oh, I have to show you
the sunrise on the cliffs."
909
00:41:42,412 --> 00:41:46,634
Because, you know, she's a
Taurus, she's the earth mother.
910
00:41:46,678 --> 00:41:47,679
And...
911
00:41:49,463 --> 00:41:51,596
She's there to respond to the
needs of people who she's with.
912
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,119
And she took me out,
913
00:41:53,162 --> 00:41:55,469
they propped me up
and put me in a car,
914
00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:56,949
and we drove out to the cliffs.
915
00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:59,429
And Leonard and I...
916
00:41:59,473 --> 00:42:02,563
just stood and laughed
and talked about everything.
917
00:42:02,607 --> 00:42:04,696
Anybody who will take you
for a walk
918
00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:06,567
by the ocean
when you're on acid
919
00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:09,352
is saving probably both lives.
920
00:42:11,006 --> 00:42:12,660
He was part of the fabric
921
00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:14,532
of what was going on
culturally in the city,
922
00:42:14,575 --> 00:42:15,663
not just music.
923
00:42:16,272 --> 00:42:18,884
But the cultural involvement of
924
00:42:19,362 --> 00:42:22,931
people who were against the war,
and people who wanted to see
925
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:26,631
a more loving culture and
926
00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:30,243
create different kinds of music
and different kinds of events.
927
00:42:30,678 --> 00:42:34,813
I didn't hang out
with the fast, druggy crowd.
928
00:42:34,856 --> 00:42:37,424
He really understood
that I was not
929
00:42:37,903 --> 00:42:39,992
the real folksinger deal,
930
00:42:40,035 --> 00:42:44,126
I was something else that very
few people really understood.
931
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:47,173
I think that went a long way in
his being able to really
932
00:42:47,216 --> 00:42:51,438
do things with my records,
and with me as an artist,
933
00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:53,179
that were appropriate.
934
00:42:53,222 --> 00:42:55,703
And that took me to the edge
and pushed me over,
935
00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:56,922
but not too far.
936
00:42:58,532 --> 00:43:00,055
What the company freak
was supposed to be
937
00:43:00,099 --> 00:43:01,753
a liaison primarily
938
00:43:02,362 --> 00:43:05,452
between both the artists
and the younger community,
939
00:43:05,495 --> 00:43:08,673
and the communications area,
the writers and editors.
940
00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:10,413
Having not existed before,
941
00:43:10,457 --> 00:43:14,940
it's up to the person
who takes it to invent it.
942
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,900
And then it becomes
not a job but a role,
943
00:43:18,944 --> 00:43:21,947
as McLuhan defined a role,
versus a job.
944
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:24,297
A job is something which can
be replaced by a machine.
945
00:43:25,124 --> 00:43:28,214
In the summer of 1966
in Los Angeles,
946
00:43:28,257 --> 00:43:30,869
I met the legendary Billy James,
947
00:43:30,912 --> 00:43:34,437
an executive at
Elektra Records, Hollywood.
948
00:43:34,481 --> 00:43:36,439
He sat barefoot on his desk.
949
00:43:36,483 --> 00:43:38,920
He was the coolest guy of all.
950
00:43:38,964 --> 00:43:43,751
And so he became a role model,
I guess still is. God bless him.
951
00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:45,231
Billy James:
The world "freak" is defined
952
00:43:45,274 --> 00:43:48,321
in my OED
as a sudden or causeless
953
00:43:48,974 --> 00:43:50,497
turn of the mind,
954
00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:55,633
or disposition of mind
that is subject to such humors.
955
00:43:55,676 --> 00:43:58,113
I also thought of the jester,
956
00:43:58,157 --> 00:44:02,378
and then I thought of Mercury,
I thought of the messenger.
957
00:44:02,422 --> 00:44:04,642
And then I thought of the
Jungian archetype
958
00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:06,513
of the eternal boy.
959
00:44:06,556 --> 00:44:07,906
There is the...
960
00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:12,127
somehow different
aspect to the freak.
961
00:44:12,171 --> 00:44:18,481
And it sometimes creates
harmony among one's colleagues.
962
00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:22,529
And sometimes
it creates discomfort.
963
00:44:23,051 --> 00:44:26,185
I thought
there should be a drug album
964
00:44:26,228 --> 00:44:27,926
because, especially Elektra,
965
00:44:27,969 --> 00:44:29,710
they had all,
when I was in college,
966
00:44:29,754 --> 00:44:32,670
they had recorded
these lusty university songs.
967
00:44:33,192 --> 00:44:35,585
Beery, kinda
drink, drink, drink.
968
00:44:35,629 --> 00:44:37,849
And Cook That Beer,
or whatever you do to it.
969
00:44:37,892 --> 00:44:40,025
Why not have a smoking song?
970
00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:41,853
So how do you do it?
971
00:44:41,896 --> 00:44:44,856
And then I was in Washington
Square and I saw David Peel.
972
00:44:50,296 --> 00:44:51,819
♪ ["I Want To Get High"
973
00:44:51,863 --> 00:44:53,255
by David Peel
& The Lower East Side plays] ♪
974
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,699
David Peel: Okay,
I met Danny Fields in 1968.
975
00:45:01,742 --> 00:45:05,180
He had a way with words that
made you wanna become part of,
976
00:45:05,224 --> 00:45:06,921
whatever he was doing.
977
00:45:06,965 --> 00:45:08,401
He brought me
to Max's Kansas City
978
00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:10,882
after the show,
and he bought me a steak dinner.
979
00:45:10,925 --> 00:45:11,970
How could I say no
980
00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:13,711
to a steak dinner
when I'm used to eating...
981
00:45:15,625 --> 00:45:17,453
pizza all my life
on the streets?
982
00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:23,024
And I told Jac Holzman about it,
and saw a big crowd...
983
00:45:23,068 --> 00:45:26,680
♪ I like marijuana,
You like marijuana... ♪
984
00:45:26,724 --> 00:45:28,029
I said, "Well, there it is," and
985
00:45:28,073 --> 00:45:29,814
"Up against the wall,
motherfuckers!"
986
00:45:29,857 --> 00:45:33,208
and Jac thought, "Well this is
indeed avant-garde,"
987
00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:35,254
and then looked around
and said, "Hmm,
988
00:45:35,689 --> 00:45:39,345
light poles, hmm.
We can do this, live!"
989
00:45:39,388 --> 00:45:41,913
We were allowed to plug into
990
00:45:41,956 --> 00:45:45,003
the outlet at the secret bottom
of a lamp post in New York
991
00:45:45,046 --> 00:45:47,788
to power the Nagra tape recorder
that we had out there.
992
00:45:47,832 --> 00:45:50,269
Some cop came up and said,
"You can't do that."
993
00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:51,836
We showed him our fancy
994
00:45:51,879 --> 00:45:53,925
$600 order and that was it,
and we recorded
995
00:45:53,968 --> 00:45:56,362
David Peel & the Lower East Side
in one afternoon.
996
00:45:56,405 --> 00:45:58,625
In a way,
the Have a Marijuanaalbum,
997
00:45:58,668 --> 00:46:00,758
was this to the establishment.
998
00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:03,761
And we had this gigantic
marijuana leaf on the cover.
999
00:46:03,804 --> 00:46:07,765
William S. Harvey thought
it was a terrible idea and...
1000
00:46:07,808 --> 00:46:10,811
We had a bet, he said it wasn't
gonna sell 10,000,
1001
00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:13,335
and I said I think it'll sell
way over 100,000.
1002
00:46:13,379 --> 00:46:15,337
And it sold probably 600,000.
1003
00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:27,785
In 1968,
1004
00:46:27,828 --> 00:46:31,440
I became a DJ at WFMU,
1005
00:46:31,484 --> 00:46:32,920
two nights a week,
four hours a night.
1006
00:46:33,355 --> 00:46:36,445
This is Danny Fields,
this is WFMU-FM,
1007
00:46:36,489 --> 00:46:38,926
freeform radio from
East Orange, New Jersey.
1008
00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:41,581
Going backwards up the half-hour
are the Beach Boys of course
1009
00:46:41,624 --> 00:46:43,104
and "Good Vibrations."
1010
00:46:43,626 --> 00:46:46,020
Pearls Before Swine,
"I Shall Not Care."
1011
00:46:46,499 --> 00:46:49,110
Silver Apples, "Program,"
the Righteous Brothers...
1012
00:46:49,154 --> 00:46:50,633
"You've Lost That Loving
Feeling."
1013
00:46:52,505 --> 00:46:53,898
Lot of us will be out at the
Pavilion next Wednesday night
1014
00:46:53,941 --> 00:46:55,508
to see the MC5,
1015
00:46:55,551 --> 00:46:57,640
The Stooges and David Peel
& the Lower East Side.
1016
00:46:57,684 --> 00:47:01,166
WFMU has been the first to play
any of their records remember.
1017
00:47:01,209 --> 00:47:03,951
As we go into the next half-hour
again with Otis Redding, Cream,
1018
00:47:03,995 --> 00:47:05,344
David Peel, Captain Beefheart,
1019
00:47:05,387 --> 00:47:07,215
The Byrds
and The Rolling Stones.
1020
00:47:07,694 --> 00:47:10,131
Bob Rudnick was of our world.
1021
00:47:10,175 --> 00:47:12,960
He was brilliant and funny
and Jewish and crazy and
1022
00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:17,182
he wrote an alternative column
called "Kokaine Karma" with Ks
1023
00:47:17,225 --> 00:47:20,359
in theEast Village Other,
with Dennis Frawley.
1024
00:47:20,402 --> 00:47:22,840
And they had
a radio show on WFMU.
1025
00:47:22,883 --> 00:47:24,493
He taught me a great deal.
1026
00:47:24,537 --> 00:47:28,236
He steered me in directions
of political activism
1027
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,978
that I thought were simply
ludicrous, but if he liked them,
1028
00:47:31,022 --> 00:47:33,851
I knew they had a little style
as well, and he was right!
1029
00:47:33,894 --> 00:47:35,287
The MC5,
1030
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:37,158
they had fabulous clothes
and physiques,
1031
00:47:37,202 --> 00:47:38,899
and they were all 6 foot 2.
1032
00:47:38,943 --> 00:47:41,815
They had amusing politics
and great hair.
1033
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:44,862
Here, I was coming from an Andy
Warhol crowd in New York,
1034
00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:48,343
and we were the most effete
people in the most effete city
1035
00:47:48,387 --> 00:47:49,910
in the most effete crowd.
1036
00:47:50,389 --> 00:47:51,999
And I was so effete.
1037
00:47:52,521 --> 00:47:55,046
I was just poised for...
1038
00:47:55,089 --> 00:47:57,309
Being slammed with something
1039
00:47:57,352 --> 00:48:00,790
that was full of blood
and lust and sweat
1040
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:03,141
and cum and smell and vigor,
1041
00:48:03,184 --> 00:48:04,882
and they had it.
1042
00:48:04,925 --> 00:48:06,709
Rob Tyner:
Brothers and sisters!
1043
00:48:06,753 --> 00:48:09,930
The time has come for each and
every one of you to decide
1044
00:48:09,974 --> 00:48:12,019
whether you are gonna
be the problem,
1045
00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:14,195
or whether you are gonna be
the solution!
1046
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,457
That's right!
1047
00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:17,285
It takes five seconds,
1048
00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:19,244
five seconds of decision,
1049
00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:23,074
five seconds to realize your
purpose here on the planet.
1050
00:48:23,117 --> 00:48:26,251
It takes five seconds to
realize that it's time to move!
1051
00:48:26,294 --> 00:48:28,253
It's time to get down with it!
1052
00:48:28,296 --> 00:48:31,473
Brothers, it's time to testify
and I want to know,
1053
00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:33,649
are you ready to testify?
1054
00:48:33,693 --> 00:48:35,086
Are you ready?
1055
00:48:35,129 --> 00:48:38,959
I give you a testimonial,
the MC5!
1056
00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:10,425
I saw them at the Detroit at
the legendary Grande Ballroom.
1057
00:49:10,469 --> 00:49:12,079
It was great,
everyone jumped up and down,
1058
00:49:12,123 --> 00:49:13,776
there were thousands
of people there.
1059
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:16,344
They had great costumes,
they twirled, they jumped,
1060
00:49:16,388 --> 00:49:18,825
and they landed,
and that very same weekend,
1061
00:49:18,868 --> 00:49:21,349
Wayne Kramer,
who I always loved,
1062
00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:25,005
a great guitar player
with the MC5 then said,
1063
00:49:25,049 --> 00:49:30,358
"If you liked us, you'll really
like our little brother band,
1064
00:49:30,402 --> 00:49:31,664
The Stooges."
1065
00:50:05,219 --> 00:50:07,917
I heard the music coming
from just down the hall,
1066
00:50:07,961 --> 00:50:10,181
and I got just transfixed.
1067
00:50:10,224 --> 00:50:13,271
And I've been listening
to music my whole life,
1068
00:50:13,314 --> 00:50:16,535
and this is a new take
on the word music.
1069
00:50:33,508 --> 00:50:36,076
The Stooges had left the stage,
1070
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,167
I got to the back of the room
when this guy said,
1071
00:50:40,211 --> 00:50:44,302
"Hi, I'm Danny Fields,
I work for Elektra Records.
1072
00:50:44,345 --> 00:50:45,651
You're a star."
1073
00:50:46,391 --> 00:50:48,741
I thought,
"Oh, he's probably just...
1074
00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:53,615
wants to party or hang out or
pick me up, or something."
1075
00:50:53,659 --> 00:50:54,921
You know, I...
1076
00:50:54,964 --> 00:50:56,575
I felt a little of that,
1077
00:50:56,618 --> 00:51:00,970
and then we talked to him
for two minutes after,
1078
00:51:01,014 --> 00:51:04,844
and I knew,
"No, this a real sharp guy."
1079
00:51:04,887 --> 00:51:06,628
We couldn't play
"Johnny B. Goode."
1080
00:51:07,107 --> 00:51:09,892
He wasn't gonna look
at the Ramones and think
1081
00:51:10,415 --> 00:51:12,504
that there was
any problem because
1082
00:51:12,547 --> 00:51:14,854
they couldn't play
"Johnny B. Goode" either!
1083
00:51:16,421 --> 00:51:19,946
They couldn't play it
fucking either, you know?
1084
00:51:22,296 --> 00:51:25,908
I'll bet Metallica
can't play it either, you know?
1085
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:29,999
You know?
So...
1086
00:51:30,522 --> 00:51:33,525
Whereas somebody else might
want to address that issue,
1087
00:51:33,568 --> 00:51:35,179
he didn't see it that way.
1088
00:51:35,222 --> 00:51:37,398
And this was a guy
who would look at something
1089
00:51:37,442 --> 00:51:40,967
that nobody else was really
ready to see and he'd say,
1090
00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:43,578
"People could enjoy this,
people should enjoy this.
1091
00:51:43,622 --> 00:51:45,232
This should be everywhere!"
1092
00:51:45,276 --> 00:51:48,931
Wayne Kramer: We were in
the basement at Translove
1093
00:51:48,975 --> 00:51:50,585
where John had his office.
1094
00:51:50,629 --> 00:51:52,761
Danny got on the phone
with Holzman.
1095
00:51:52,805 --> 00:51:54,894
John Sinclair: "I'm gonna tell
him they oughta sign you guys."
1096
00:51:54,937 --> 00:51:56,156
I said, "Great, Danny!"
1097
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,333
"Hey, go get 'em, baby!
1098
00:51:59,377 --> 00:52:02,554
Tells them he saw the MC5,
they were spectacular,
1099
00:52:02,597 --> 00:52:05,557
and then they had their little
baby brother band with them,
1100
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,036
called The Stooges.
1101
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,474
And he says, "I think we ought
to sign both of them."
1102
00:52:09,517 --> 00:52:14,131
He says 20 for the MC5,
5,000 for the Stooges.
1103
00:52:14,174 --> 00:52:17,656
And John said, "Yeah, that's
sounds like a good deal to me."
1104
00:52:17,699 --> 00:52:20,441
"Okay, it's a deal, all right.
okay, see you back in New York."
1105
00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:21,747
That was it, it was done,
1106
00:52:21,790 --> 00:52:23,749
all by Monday morning
at 10 o'clock.
1107
00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:25,794
It was done.
Here I got...
1108
00:52:26,317 --> 00:52:28,580
two of the greatest bands
in the history of the world
1109
00:52:28,623 --> 00:52:29,537
with a phone call.
1110
00:52:31,191 --> 00:52:32,061
For the Stooges to get
signed to a record contract
1111
00:52:32,105 --> 00:52:34,020
at a major label after about...
1112
00:52:34,803 --> 00:52:37,632
Oh, I don't know,
not a year of existence...
1113
00:52:38,503 --> 00:52:41,070
Never really having a tune.
1114
00:52:41,593 --> 00:52:45,292
It was just unbelievable that
this would happen, you know.
1115
00:52:45,336 --> 00:52:47,555
And I always thought, 25,000,
1116
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,818
we could pay off all of our
debts,
1117
00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:51,690
we could pay off our equipment.
1118
00:52:53,213 --> 00:52:55,781
And then everybody
got a leather coat, you know?
1119
00:52:58,349 --> 00:52:59,567
Yeah!
1120
00:52:59,611 --> 00:53:01,308
Yeah, come together!
1121
00:53:01,352 --> 00:53:03,310
Come together!
1122
00:53:03,354 --> 00:53:05,356
Thank you, thank you.
Come together.
1123
00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:07,488
Thank you kindly.
1124
00:53:07,532 --> 00:53:10,274
We hope you all did
come together.
1125
00:53:11,666 --> 00:53:14,191
I wasn't cynical about
him because he was too cool.
1126
00:53:14,234 --> 00:53:15,366
He wasn't...
1127
00:53:16,018 --> 00:53:19,935
obnoxious like
most music business types.
1128
00:53:20,501 --> 00:53:25,071
I didn't know that there are
powerful economic interests
1129
00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:29,467
that control how a band
ends up in the newspaper,
1130
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:31,338
or a band ends up on television.
1131
00:53:31,382 --> 00:53:33,166
Those were the kind of things
that I wanted to learn
1132
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,211
from Danny Fields.
1133
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:36,561
Like all that publicity
about The Doors,
1134
00:53:36,604 --> 00:53:37,214
"You made all that happen, huh?"
1135
00:53:37,692 --> 00:53:38,563
And he said,
1136
00:53:39,694 --> 00:53:41,218
"No, man,
I didn't make that happen.
1137
00:53:41,261 --> 00:53:43,002
You know, they did that."
1138
00:53:45,004 --> 00:53:48,442
Which is of course,
the brilliant publicist way
1139
00:53:48,486 --> 00:53:50,227
to answer that question.
1140
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:51,315
He was from the underground,
1141
00:53:51,358 --> 00:53:54,361
the bohemian quarter, you know,
1142
00:53:54,405 --> 00:53:57,364
the arts and weirdness
and drugs.
1143
00:53:57,408 --> 00:53:59,236
But I mean, he schooled me.
1144
00:53:59,279 --> 00:54:01,368
We really liked each other!
1145
00:54:01,412 --> 00:54:03,892
And he saw something
in me that...
1146
00:54:03,936 --> 00:54:07,244
I was this raw intellectual
from Detroit,
1147
00:54:07,287 --> 00:54:09,898
who wanted to do
some sensational shit.
1148
00:54:09,942 --> 00:54:11,378
I just saw him as a guy
1149
00:54:11,422 --> 00:54:13,902
who knew everybody
and knew how this shit worked.
1150
00:54:13,946 --> 00:54:17,602
Our idea was to take over
the world, you know, so...
1151
00:54:20,082 --> 00:54:20,953
First, starting with
the music business.
1152
00:54:22,128 --> 00:54:23,434
Totally out of our way.
1153
00:54:23,999 --> 00:54:25,740
White Panther program is
1154
00:54:25,784 --> 00:54:29,091
cultural revolution
by any means necessary,
1155
00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:32,138
including rock 'n' roll, dope
and fucking in the streets.
1156
00:54:32,573 --> 00:54:35,576
People were wary then,
it was getting serious.
1157
00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:37,099
There was a moratorium,
1158
00:54:37,143 --> 00:54:38,753
and the marches
were getting more serious.
1159
00:54:38,797 --> 00:54:40,451
The country was getting
more divided.
1160
00:54:40,494 --> 00:54:44,237
It was now getting out of hand,
you could see it in Chicago.
1161
00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:47,893
And the MC5 called their parent
organization
1162
00:54:47,936 --> 00:54:49,503
the "White Panther Party."
1163
00:54:49,547 --> 00:54:51,375
They had a minister of defense,
1164
00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:53,202
I don't know many
rock 'n' roll bands that had
1165
00:54:53,246 --> 00:54:55,161
a minister of defense.
1166
00:54:55,204 --> 00:54:58,773
People carried machine guns
around the house!
1167
00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:02,168
♪ Kick out the jams,
motherfuckers ♪
1168
00:55:11,395 --> 00:55:13,484
Jac Holzman suckered us
1169
00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:17,836
into putting "motherfucker"
on the record.
1170
00:55:18,706 --> 00:55:20,795
He urged us to do that.
1171
00:55:20,839 --> 00:55:23,755
Of course,
we've got a single version,
1172
00:55:23,798 --> 00:55:26,453
♪ Kick out the jams,
brothers and sisters ♪
1173
00:55:26,497 --> 00:55:29,326
"No, man, come on,
nobody'll give a shit!"
1174
00:55:29,369 --> 00:55:31,284
And I said,
"They're not gonna like this,
1175
00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:32,633
we're out here in Detroit.
1176
00:55:32,677 --> 00:55:34,243
I know they
aren't gonna like it."
1177
00:55:34,287 --> 00:55:36,507
They don't like it now when
it just comes out on the stage.
1178
00:55:36,550 --> 00:55:38,509
They're really aren't gonna
like it in vinyl.
1179
00:55:38,552 --> 00:55:40,685
They put out
the David Peel album.
1180
00:55:41,381 --> 00:55:44,123
♪ Have a marijuana,
motherfucker ♪
1181
00:55:44,166 --> 00:55:46,604
"Great, if they don't have any
problem with his 'motherfucker,'
1182
00:55:46,647 --> 00:55:47,822
they're not gonna
have any trouble
1183
00:55:47,866 --> 00:55:49,476
with our 'motherfucker'."
We told them,
1184
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,610
"Let the single go up the charts
"before you release the album."
1185
00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:54,829
'Cause the album's gonna
have the real version of
1186
00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:56,570
"Kick out the jams,
motherfuckers" on it,
1187
00:55:56,614 --> 00:55:58,790
but, see, they won't be able
to stop us then
1188
00:55:58,833 --> 00:56:00,748
'cause we'll have a hit record!
1189
00:56:00,792 --> 00:56:02,402
The minute the single
started going up,
1190
00:56:02,446 --> 00:56:04,273
they rushed the album out.
1191
00:56:04,317 --> 00:56:07,233
Kids were arrested in record
stores for selling the album,
1192
00:56:07,625 --> 00:56:09,888
and parents are freaked out.
1193
00:56:09,931 --> 00:56:11,672
Then Jac Holzman says,
1194
00:56:11,716 --> 00:56:13,674
"Is it okay if we put out a
clean version
1195
00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:15,372
'cause we're losing money."
1196
00:56:15,415 --> 00:56:18,331
We had problems
with a chain called Hudson's.
1197
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,855
And then the MC5 took out an ad
1198
00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:24,076
in the local Detroit
alternative newspaper,
1199
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,513
which said,
"Fuck Hudson's!"
1200
00:56:26,557 --> 00:56:28,515
And stuck
the Elektra logo on it.
1201
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,648
Everything that was
an Elektra product,
1202
00:56:30,691 --> 00:56:33,825
including Bach and Mozart,
came back.
1203
00:56:33,868 --> 00:56:34,913
We said, "You can't do that."
1204
00:56:36,567 --> 00:56:37,785
They said, "Jac, we thought you
were part of our revolution."
1205
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:39,483
I said, "No, I'm interested
in documenting
1206
00:56:39,526 --> 00:56:41,876
what you do with music
in the context of that."
1207
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,704
And they said,
"We're not comfortable."
1208
00:56:43,748 --> 00:56:45,358
I said, "Well, fine."
1209
00:56:45,402 --> 00:56:48,405
The MC5 should have been
Grand Funk Railroad.
1210
00:56:48,448 --> 00:56:51,190
They should have been
the big, fast-moving,
1211
00:56:51,233 --> 00:56:53,410
hard-rocking, rabble-rousing,
1212
00:56:53,453 --> 00:56:57,588
mid-western band that
Grand Funk Railroad became.
1213
00:56:57,631 --> 00:56:59,894
When you're on the front pages
of the paper,
1214
00:56:59,938 --> 00:57:02,462
you can be making
the best music in the world,
1215
00:57:02,506 --> 00:57:04,943
but no one will pay attention
to you for that,
1216
00:57:04,986 --> 00:57:07,119
they just wanna know
how much you vomited,
1217
00:57:07,162 --> 00:57:11,123
and what dirty words you used
and what trouble you made.
1218
00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:16,128
People like Danny
are not even producers.
1219
00:57:16,171 --> 00:57:20,262
I mean there's not a quantity
of work that is measurable
1220
00:57:20,306 --> 00:57:21,612
that comes out of them
every day.
1221
00:57:21,655 --> 00:57:25,398
They're here for
the hallelujah moment.
1222
00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:27,269
Danny jumped up and down
and said,
1223
00:57:27,313 --> 00:57:29,968
"You've gotta sign this band,
you've gotta sign this band."
1224
00:57:30,011 --> 00:57:31,752
And we saw nothing,
1225
00:57:31,796 --> 00:57:34,799
it was one of these things
that's a...
1226
00:57:36,409 --> 00:57:37,758
It's a prayer.
1227
00:57:38,324 --> 00:57:40,282
The Stooges were
1228
00:57:40,326 --> 00:57:43,111
difficult in that
they did not have songs written
1229
00:57:43,155 --> 00:57:44,591
and Iggy was strung out.
1230
00:57:44,635 --> 00:57:47,289
Danny screamed, "How come
you don't have any songs?
1231
00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,596
"Go to the hotel tonight
and write songs!"
1232
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,077
So "I Wanna Be Your Dog",
"1969",
1233
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,602
all that came out of
one night's production.
1234
00:57:56,037 --> 00:57:57,691
John Cale: Cool Song, take one.
1235
00:57:58,431 --> 00:58:02,043
John Cale was
a very talented musician,
1236
00:58:02,087 --> 00:58:03,958
and I thought the juxtaposition
1237
00:58:04,002 --> 00:58:08,485
of a really experienced musician
in the studio with them
1238
00:58:08,528 --> 00:58:10,878
would either agitate them
or inform them.
1239
00:58:11,575 --> 00:58:13,620
They got along pretty well.
1240
00:58:13,664 --> 00:58:16,536
And then the problems
with Bill Harvey started.
1241
00:58:16,580 --> 00:58:19,191
He heard this, and he said,
"Are you gonna put that out?"
1242
00:58:19,234 --> 00:58:20,235
And I said,
1243
00:58:21,933 --> 00:58:22,803
"I don't quite understand it,
but it's interesting."
1244
00:58:22,847 --> 00:58:23,761
And he said,
1245
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,067
"Well, you put that out,
you're gonna ruin your label."
1246
00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:28,809
And I said,
"I don't think so."
1247
00:58:28,853 --> 00:58:31,812
People who had to say
something about them say,
1248
00:58:31,856 --> 00:58:33,031
"This is not music."
1249
00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:36,034
It's the same thing
they said of rock 'n' roll!
1250
00:58:36,077 --> 00:58:37,905
To say that was the worst thing
you could say.
1251
00:58:37,949 --> 00:58:40,647
Doesn't deserve
to be called music.
1252
00:58:40,691 --> 00:58:43,520
You know, I'm sure
Wagner heard that and
1253
00:58:43,998 --> 00:58:46,958
anybody who did something
fabulously different.
1254
00:58:47,001 --> 00:58:48,655
Lenny Kaye: "If 1967
1255
00:58:48,699 --> 00:58:51,397
was the year of The Beatles
and 'Get Together'
1256
00:58:51,832 --> 00:58:56,358
If 1968 was the year of The Band
andBeggars Banquet
1257
00:58:56,881 --> 00:59:00,885
then 1969 might well be
the year of The Stooges.
1258
00:59:01,799 --> 00:59:03,583
You might not like it,
1259
00:59:03,627 --> 00:59:05,367
but you can't escape it."
1260
00:59:06,586 --> 00:59:10,198
Lenny Kaye,
August 10th, 1969.
1261
00:59:11,896 --> 00:59:16,248
Obviously written two minutes
before I went up to Woodstock.
1262
00:59:19,077 --> 00:59:21,775
If you were on the fringe, and
trying to understand who you are
1263
00:59:21,819 --> 00:59:24,996
and you heard
this bleat of sound.
1264
00:59:25,605 --> 00:59:28,434
To me, these bands are
a lot about yearning.
1265
00:59:28,477 --> 00:59:30,915
They're about finding
their place in the world,
1266
00:59:30,958 --> 00:59:32,481
finding your place in the world.
1267
00:59:32,525 --> 00:59:34,745
You listen to The Stooges,
"I Wanna Be Your Dog", and you
1268
00:59:34,788 --> 00:59:37,051
can get those three chords
in a second,
1269
00:59:37,095 --> 00:59:38,531
and then all you gotta do is
1270
00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:40,533
just keep turning
the amplifier up,
1271
00:59:40,577 --> 00:59:41,969
turning it up.
1272
00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:46,626
It was a beautiful
explosion of noise.
1273
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:50,804
And the fact that Danny
was behind both of these bands,
1274
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,025
is, to me, a thing of wonder.
1275
00:59:54,068 --> 00:59:57,594
It's like someone
who talks you into buying
1276
00:59:57,637 --> 01:00:00,727
a painting that you don't get,
an impressionistic painting.
1277
01:00:00,771 --> 01:00:02,163
You just don't get it at all.
1278
01:00:02,642 --> 01:00:05,558
And later you find
it has achieved
1279
01:00:05,602 --> 01:00:09,736
notoriety and value that
you never would have imagined.
1280
01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:11,564
When you're starting out
in show biz,
1281
01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:14,262
part of what you do
to figure out
1282
01:00:14,306 --> 01:00:16,787
who you are and
how you can operate is...
1283
01:00:17,309 --> 01:00:18,919
You put yourself
somewhere where
1284
01:00:18,963 --> 01:00:21,879
people who know more than you
can react to you.
1285
01:00:21,922 --> 01:00:24,098
He had an interesting spread
1286
01:00:24,664 --> 01:00:27,624
between the world
of teen vacuity
1287
01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:33,542
way over to your
very hard-core social deviants.
1288
01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:19,937
He was on location with us
in the Tropicana Motel
1289
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:21,721
in Los Angeles.
1290
01:01:22,243 --> 01:01:24,681
There were The Stooges
making Fun House...
1291
01:01:28,293 --> 01:01:29,816
Andy Warhol,
1292
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:33,167
Paul Morrissey,
Joe Dallesandro, Jane Forth,
1293
01:01:33,211 --> 01:01:35,735
and the entire cast ofHeat.
1294
01:01:35,779 --> 01:01:37,650
Danny gave me something that...
1295
01:01:38,738 --> 01:01:42,133
I don't know if he was the first
one to ever give me this but
1296
01:01:42,176 --> 01:01:45,179
he let me try something
called cocaine.
1297
01:01:47,704 --> 01:01:50,968
And I tried it and I thought,
"I don't feel anything!"
1298
01:01:53,797 --> 01:01:56,625
And then three days later,
I found myself...
1299
01:01:57,757 --> 01:02:02,893
crawling in through his bathroom
window at the back of the motel,
1300
01:02:03,458 --> 01:02:08,463
taking all of his stash,
you know.
1301
01:02:09,116 --> 01:02:11,902
And that was
the sort of buddy I was.
1302
01:02:11,945 --> 01:02:15,340
I was a very bad, bad buddy.
1303
01:02:15,383 --> 01:02:18,430
Look, we did
so many terrible things
1304
01:02:18,473 --> 01:02:21,563
to blacken Danny's reputation,
1305
01:02:21,607 --> 01:02:24,653
and just destroy
his faith in us.
1306
01:02:24,697 --> 01:02:27,395
And we would show up
1307
01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:29,789
very, very late for gigs,
or not at all.
1308
01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:32,183
Or once we were...
1309
01:02:32,226 --> 01:02:35,142
The band was playing
the intro riff,
1310
01:02:35,186 --> 01:02:38,624
and I was having sex
on the bathroom floor
1311
01:02:38,667 --> 01:02:41,888
of the men's room
with a groupie.
1312
01:02:43,063 --> 01:02:44,499
"Wait, I'll be right there!
1313
01:02:44,543 --> 01:02:45,892
Tell them to just
keep playing there!"
1314
01:02:47,024 --> 01:02:49,635
And on and on and on.
1315
01:02:49,678 --> 01:02:54,945
And then there were times
when I was shooting up.
1316
01:02:55,554 --> 01:02:56,773
And...
1317
01:02:58,209 --> 01:03:00,864
not fun to talk
about it anymore,
1318
01:03:00,907 --> 01:03:05,042
but, yeah, that happened
and there he was...
1319
01:03:06,478 --> 01:03:08,654
trying to get
somewhere in his life.
1320
01:03:09,916 --> 01:03:13,311
Yeah, I got...
I finally scored my methadone.
1321
01:03:13,354 --> 01:03:15,792
- Yeah.
- It's not a thing that
1322
01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:17,924
you're supposed
to have all the time.
1323
01:03:17,968 --> 01:03:19,230
I thought that he would expect
1324
01:03:19,273 --> 01:03:20,797
you to just keep taking that?
1325
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,189
No, it's... You know...
1326
01:03:23,974 --> 01:03:25,627
It's pretty easy to kick
with methadone, it really is.
1327
01:03:25,671 --> 01:03:28,805
I've kicked three fucking times
with it but every time...
1328
01:03:29,631 --> 01:03:31,111
started again.
1329
01:03:31,155 --> 01:03:32,852
Why do you start again?
1330
01:03:32,896 --> 01:03:36,769
I don't know,
I couldn't even answer that.
1331
01:03:38,162 --> 01:03:40,381
They were fucking up,
I didn't know what to do.
1332
01:03:40,425 --> 01:03:43,994
It was not something I was
equipped to deal with.
1333
01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:46,039
There's no...
1334
01:03:46,083 --> 01:03:47,345
You cannot...
1335
01:03:48,781 --> 01:03:52,306
cope with heroin use in
someone you're working with,
1336
01:03:52,350 --> 01:03:54,918
or as a partner,
or you're dependent on.
1337
01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:57,485
That's the worst drug
in the world.
1338
01:03:57,877 --> 01:03:59,531
And if it's someone you love,
1339
01:04:00,097 --> 01:04:03,143
it's tragic,
but you're helpless,
1340
01:04:03,187 --> 01:04:07,060
and everything
is gonna self-destruct.
1341
01:04:08,757 --> 01:04:09,846
Boy...
1342
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:18,855
I think when I said enough was
when The Stooges rented a truck
1343
01:04:18,898 --> 01:04:22,075
and they went under one of those
highway overpasses where it says
1344
01:04:23,207 --> 01:04:26,471
"If you're over 12 feet tall,
don't come under this thing"
1345
01:04:27,515 --> 01:04:31,693
And they destroyed the truck.
1346
01:04:31,737 --> 01:04:34,348
The top was shaved off.
1347
01:04:34,392 --> 01:04:36,220
They destroyed everything in it,
1348
01:04:36,263 --> 01:04:39,179
all the instruments and stuff
which they were liable for.
1349
01:04:39,223 --> 01:04:40,964
They destroyed the overpass!
1350
01:04:41,007 --> 01:04:44,706
So when I got a bill
from the city of Ann Arbor
1351
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:48,536
for whatever it costs to repair
a concrete highway bridge,
1352
01:04:48,580 --> 01:04:49,886
that was enough.
1353
01:04:50,669 --> 01:04:53,890
So no, no, no,
this is a sign.
1354
01:04:55,935 --> 01:04:59,896
I'm so proud of the way
1355
01:05:00,374 --> 01:05:04,074
that Scott Asheton, our drummer,
1356
01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:07,251
drove the 12-foot U-Haul
1357
01:05:07,816 --> 01:05:11,081
under the 10.5 foot underpass.
1358
01:05:11,603 --> 01:05:16,956
The top of that U-haul
literally peeled back
1359
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,133
exactly like
Popeye's can of spinach.
1360
01:05:20,742 --> 01:05:22,048
Gladly handed
1361
01:05:22,092 --> 01:05:24,572
Iggy and his music
and his dancing
1362
01:05:24,616 --> 01:05:27,358
and his band and his antics
and his bills
1363
01:05:27,401 --> 01:05:28,837
to David Bowie.
1364
01:05:28,881 --> 01:05:33,233
I'm happy to do it,
he didn't keep me on board.
1365
01:05:33,277 --> 01:05:35,453
I got out
when the going got tough.
1366
01:05:36,062 --> 01:05:37,934
Otherwise I could have said,
1367
01:05:37,977 --> 01:05:41,111
"I'm giving up everything
in my life, and..."
1368
01:05:41,154 --> 01:05:43,461
I have to pee, I have to...
1369
01:05:43,896 --> 01:05:46,464
"...giving up everything
in my life for Iggy
1370
01:05:46,507 --> 01:05:48,901
and sweeping everything aside,
1371
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:51,121
and I'll move into
a cheaper apartment and
1372
01:05:51,164 --> 01:05:52,992
get a different lifestyle,
1373
01:05:53,036 --> 01:05:55,125
and stop using drugs
'cause they're expensive and...
1374
01:05:55,603 --> 01:05:58,389
It'll all be for Iggy."
Well, I didn't.
1375
01:06:00,478 --> 01:06:02,088
I don't know if I could have!
1376
01:06:02,132 --> 01:06:05,004
I was staying in Danny's house,
1377
01:06:05,048 --> 01:06:09,008
and he had gone out to Max's,
and he started calling me.
1378
01:06:09,052 --> 01:06:10,792
"You really should
get down here,
1379
01:06:10,836 --> 01:06:13,186
David Bowie is down here and...
1380
01:06:13,708 --> 01:06:16,973
You could do yourself some
good, he wants to meet you."
1381
01:06:17,843 --> 01:06:20,846
And I was watching
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,
1382
01:06:20,889 --> 01:06:23,457
repeatedly on the verge of tears
1383
01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:28,114
as I saw Mr. Smith confronted by
the foul corruption
1384
01:06:28,158 --> 01:06:30,987
of the status quo
and the people in charge.
1385
01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:32,466
But finally I thought...
1386
01:06:33,076 --> 01:06:34,468
"Okay."
1387
01:06:34,512 --> 01:06:36,122
They started talking
1388
01:06:36,166 --> 01:06:37,950
so fast about...
1389
01:06:38,342 --> 01:06:41,910
"One thing I hate most
in the world, music."
1390
01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:42,999
And...
1391
01:06:43,738 --> 01:06:46,002
I was so glad to just say...
1392
01:06:47,046 --> 01:06:52,138
They hit it off such big time
because they're both so smart.
1393
01:06:58,536 --> 01:06:59,972
- Hello.
- Hi.
1394
01:07:00,451 --> 01:07:02,192
- Who's this?
- Danny.
1395
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,673
- Oh, Danny!
- Yes, hello.
1396
01:07:05,717 --> 01:07:08,024
Hi,
are you at the Tropicana?
1397
01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:10,896
Yes, I am.
Who's working for you?
1398
01:07:10,939 --> 01:07:14,247
Warner Brothers,
but they aren't very bright.
1399
01:07:14,291 --> 01:07:17,163
No, I'll see, we should
be able to get you something.
1400
01:07:17,207 --> 01:07:19,252
Yes. I need to work.
1401
01:07:19,296 --> 01:07:20,906
Yes, I want you to work.
1402
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:23,865
- How's the weather?
- Beautiful.
1403
01:07:23,909 --> 01:07:25,345
- Yes?
- Yes, it is.
1404
01:07:25,389 --> 01:07:27,391
How's the weather there?
It's cold, huh?
1405
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,568
- Hmm, a little.
- Yeah.
1406
01:07:34,093 --> 01:07:35,573
Okay, I'll talk to you
later, darling, okay?
1407
01:07:35,616 --> 01:07:36,748
- Yes.
- Give my love to Paul.
1408
01:07:37,227 --> 01:07:38,184
Okay.
1409
01:07:39,577 --> 01:07:40,839
Call me here
if anything comes up.
1410
01:07:40,882 --> 01:07:42,275
I'll see what I can do
out here and
1411
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:43,711
I'll call you back
to let you know, okay?
1412
01:07:43,755 --> 01:07:45,713
- Yes, please.
- Okay, for sure, I will.
1413
01:07:46,279 --> 01:07:48,368
- Okay.
- Okay, baby, be good.
1414
01:07:48,412 --> 01:07:50,066
You too, bye-bye.
1415
01:08:06,995 --> 01:08:10,912
Danny was close to
the entire Andy Warhol crowd.
1416
01:08:10,956 --> 01:08:14,090
And one day he brought Nico in,
and I knew who Nico was.
1417
01:08:15,091 --> 01:08:16,962
And she brought in
her little harmonium,
1418
01:08:17,005 --> 01:08:18,703
and she sat and she played.
1419
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:23,403
♪ Lord of lunacy
1420
01:08:23,447 --> 01:08:26,450
♪ In the moon
of the frozen beyond... ♪
1421
01:08:28,974 --> 01:08:33,674
And as usual, he sat there when
I'd bring up an artist and...
1422
01:08:34,284 --> 01:08:37,417
"Like, well, I guess so!"
1423
01:08:38,201 --> 01:08:39,724
You know, here comes...
1424
01:08:39,767 --> 01:08:43,119
Get me John Cale
on the phone once again.
1425
01:08:43,162 --> 01:08:45,947
Was it off the wall?
Unbelievably so.
1426
01:08:45,991 --> 01:08:47,123
But so what?
1427
01:08:48,733 --> 01:08:50,474
It's not gonna be
an expensive record to make
1428
01:08:50,517 --> 01:08:53,129
and she's an interesting artist,
and let just see what happens.
1429
01:08:53,172 --> 01:08:55,043
And she sat...
1430
01:08:55,087 --> 01:08:59,004
And read books of poetry
looking for a title.
1431
01:08:59,309 --> 01:09:00,962
And she found it in Wordsworth,
1432
01:09:01,006 --> 01:09:04,183
"The marble index
of the mind gone..."
1433
01:09:04,227 --> 01:09:07,491
something or other.
And she liked that phrase.
1434
01:09:07,534 --> 01:09:10,189
She was... a poet.
1435
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:14,541
Danny was having continual
problems with Bill Harvey,
1436
01:09:14,585 --> 01:09:17,457
and Bill Harvey came to me
one day and he said,
1437
01:09:17,501 --> 01:09:19,198
"Either Danny goes or I go."
1438
01:09:19,242 --> 01:09:21,461
He called me into his office,
1439
01:09:21,505 --> 01:09:25,683
blamed me for circulating
this water cooler rumor about
1440
01:09:26,249 --> 01:09:27,859
his daughter's pregnancy.
1441
01:09:27,902 --> 01:09:29,687
Then he started
punching me in the head,
1442
01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:32,168
and saying, "Get out, get out!"
1443
01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:35,867
I said, "I know
he's an irritant to you,
1444
01:09:36,694 --> 01:09:38,261
I think he has value...
1445
01:09:39,131 --> 01:09:42,700
But I probably am not gonna
fight you on this one."
1446
01:09:43,657 --> 01:09:44,702
And I didn't.
1447
01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:48,662
And it was probably the correct
decision for the business,
1448
01:09:48,706 --> 01:09:51,883
but it wasn't quite the correct
decision for my conscience.
1449
01:09:52,884 --> 01:09:55,495
Danny has always been...
1450
01:09:57,367 --> 01:09:59,456
the sand in the oyster
around which
1451
01:09:59,499 --> 01:10:01,022
you hope to grow a pearl.
1452
01:10:01,675 --> 01:10:03,329
And that was my last day there.
1453
01:10:03,373 --> 01:10:04,896
It was best to leave
1454
01:10:04,939 --> 01:10:07,028
after your boss
punches you in the head.
1455
01:10:07,072 --> 01:10:08,552
I wouldn't stick around.
1456
01:10:11,337 --> 01:10:12,773
I was not wanted.
1457
01:10:14,471 --> 01:10:16,821
Saw The Cockettes at the Palace
Theater in San Francisco,
1458
01:10:16,864 --> 01:10:20,607
and of course I loved them,
they did "Pearls Over Shanghai".
1459
01:10:20,651 --> 01:10:22,218
Then they were coming
to New York,
1460
01:10:22,261 --> 01:10:24,698
so I found out
who the promoter was,
1461
01:10:24,742 --> 01:10:26,309
who was bringing them here,
and I said,
1462
01:10:26,352 --> 01:10:28,354
"Well, let me be
their press agent."
1463
01:10:32,532 --> 01:10:34,186
Fayette Hauser:
Every single time I saw him
1464
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,363
in the office at the Anderson,
he was on the phone,
1465
01:10:37,407 --> 01:10:39,757
corralling every single person
1466
01:10:40,192 --> 01:10:43,195
who had any fame and glory
in the city at the time
1467
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:45,589
to come to this opening,
and they did.
1468
01:10:51,856 --> 01:10:55,773
They sat there stone-faced,
waiting for a performance
1469
01:10:55,816 --> 01:10:59,255
that was more polished
1470
01:10:59,646 --> 01:11:05,173
than the kind of
instantaneous, anti-theater rave
1471
01:11:05,217 --> 01:11:07,741
that we were communicating
in San Francisco.
1472
01:11:07,785 --> 01:11:11,092
The famous one is, Angela
Lansbury stood up and said,
1473
01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:12,268
"Let's get the fuck
out of here!"
1474
01:11:12,311 --> 01:11:14,400
And the audience began to flee.
1475
01:11:14,444 --> 01:11:18,796
But Danny, unphased,
went forward with it all
1476
01:11:18,839 --> 01:11:21,320
and got us
as much press as possible.
1477
01:11:21,364 --> 01:11:25,411
Art needs
a translator like that.
1478
01:11:25,455 --> 01:11:28,109
Danny was a catalyst
for a lot of people.
1479
01:11:28,153 --> 01:11:31,199
Some people can be artists,
can be great,
1480
01:11:31,243 --> 01:11:33,376
but they can be floating
in the sphere,
1481
01:11:33,419 --> 01:11:35,552
unrecognized or unknown.
1482
01:11:35,595 --> 01:11:38,772
He would bring the artist
into the society and
1483
01:11:39,338 --> 01:11:42,733
put them on a platform and
define the platform and say,
1484
01:11:42,776 --> 01:11:46,214
"Here, this is the artist that
you need to pay attention to."
1485
01:11:46,606 --> 01:11:49,783
At that point, as at
many others, I needed a job.
1486
01:11:49,827 --> 01:11:53,613
And my best friend, Steve Paul,
1487
01:11:53,657 --> 01:11:55,615
said he needed
a personal assistant
1488
01:11:55,659 --> 01:11:58,705
and someone to drive him around.
1489
01:11:58,749 --> 01:12:02,666
His dream was that the Winter
brothers were gonna be
1490
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:05,408
unstoppable, inevitable,
1491
01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:10,413
on television, on parades
and in Super Bowls.
1492
01:12:10,456 --> 01:12:15,635
Because what could be better
than two albinos!
1493
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,507
Whoa, think of the visuals.
1494
01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:21,815
One of them is the world's
fastest blues player.
1495
01:12:21,859 --> 01:12:24,862
Is that...
That's an oxymoron.
1496
01:12:24,905 --> 01:12:26,429
The blues is...
1497
01:12:34,045 --> 01:12:36,787
So I don't how you could be a
fast blues player but anyhow...
1498
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:39,659
And the other one
was a keyboard player,
1499
01:12:39,703 --> 01:12:41,966
and he wore the piano
around his neck.
1500
01:12:42,009 --> 01:12:46,274
It was the most ungainly thing
I've ever seen,
1501
01:12:46,318 --> 01:12:48,799
because it was this big, long...
1502
01:12:49,713 --> 01:12:51,236
diving board.
1503
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:54,021
And it sort of gets
a life on its own.
1504
01:12:54,065 --> 01:12:57,198
When you turn one way,
it goes the other.
1505
01:12:57,242 --> 01:12:59,810
Imagine this thing.
1506
01:12:59,853 --> 01:13:00,811
And you're...
1507
01:13:00,854 --> 01:13:02,682
And you're playing it.
1508
01:13:02,726 --> 01:13:04,597
Guitars are
stupid-looking enough.
1509
01:13:04,641 --> 01:13:06,469
That was Steve's dream.
1510
01:13:06,512 --> 01:13:09,515
That's okay, but you can see
that was a little dispiriting.
1511
01:13:09,559 --> 01:13:11,648
I do wanna take credit for
1512
01:13:11,691 --> 01:13:15,739
the Edgar Winter's album
that made Steve Paul rich.
1513
01:13:16,566 --> 01:13:18,829
And us rich, which was called,
1514
01:13:18,872 --> 01:13:22,006
They Only Come Out at Night,
and it contained
1515
01:13:22,049 --> 01:13:24,748
the enchanting hit,
"Frankenstein".
1516
01:13:30,362 --> 01:13:32,625
Eight minutes of one riff.
1517
01:13:33,365 --> 01:13:36,455
And it was huge!
1518
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,459
Just like you get time
to go to the bathroom,
1519
01:13:40,503 --> 01:13:41,591
or you can make a doodie,
1520
01:13:42,983 --> 01:13:45,986
you put on a sandwich
to roast in the microwave.
1521
01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:48,554
You could do all these things,
while that song was on,
1522
01:13:48,598 --> 01:13:49,860
it was very handy.
1523
01:13:49,903 --> 01:13:51,514
Someone had done
a shoot of Edgar
1524
01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:54,604
looking up at the ceiling so his
hair was falling down his back.
1525
01:13:55,126 --> 01:13:57,302
Steve asked me to advise him,
1526
01:13:57,345 --> 01:13:58,825
"What do we do
with this person?"
1527
01:13:58,869 --> 01:14:00,740
"Turn him sideways!"
1528
01:14:00,784 --> 01:14:03,395
You know,
he ain't ever gonna be cute.
1529
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:04,831
At least turn him sideways,
1530
01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,660
and make it look
as if he's blowing in the wind.
1531
01:14:07,704 --> 01:14:10,794
That's the little things
I do to make trouble that...
1532
01:14:12,143 --> 01:14:15,799
if they happen, no one knows,
so that's my life story.
1533
01:14:15,842 --> 01:14:18,279
So what's the name?
What's that career called?
1534
01:14:18,758 --> 01:14:19,759
A nudgy?
1535
01:14:36,341 --> 01:14:40,519
Modern Lovers in 1972
were a very hot band.
1536
01:14:40,563 --> 01:14:44,001
Steve Paul and I recorded them
and chased them and
1537
01:14:44,044 --> 01:14:45,959
we used to hang out
with them and go to
1538
01:14:46,351 --> 01:14:49,876
saunas at motels and I would
save the towels that
1539
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,401
Jerry and Ernie sat on.
Cute people!
1540
01:14:53,445 --> 01:14:54,707
Jonathan Richman:
He would come up when
1541
01:14:54,751 --> 01:14:56,100
The Velvet Underground
would play,
1542
01:14:56,143 --> 01:14:57,754
and they would play
in Boston a lot.
1543
01:14:57,797 --> 01:15:00,147
We would talk about
The Stooges a lot.
1544
01:15:00,191 --> 01:15:02,672
And Danny brought me
to see them live in Ungano's.
1545
01:15:02,715 --> 01:15:06,545
And I had all these drawings
of myself in different positions
1546
01:15:06,589 --> 01:15:07,894
'cause I was in
the center of the world.
1547
01:15:07,938 --> 01:15:09,679
I showed Iggy and The Stooges
1548
01:15:09,722 --> 01:15:11,071
Here's a picture of me
1549
01:15:11,115 --> 01:15:13,552
up on the roof
of the Howard Johnson's,
1550
01:15:13,596 --> 01:15:16,076
and those are the trees,
and that's the '57 Thunderbird,
1551
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,556
and there's the universe
1552
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,993
in relation to myself
and everything.
1553
01:15:20,037 --> 01:15:22,430
The Asheton brothers
and Dave Alexander said,
1554
01:15:22,474 --> 01:15:24,041
"Let us look at that too."
1555
01:15:24,476 --> 01:15:26,609
So they look at
my complicated drawing
1556
01:15:26,652 --> 01:15:28,828
where I was the center
of the world and everything.
1557
01:15:28,872 --> 01:15:30,134
They looked at each other
and said,
1558
01:15:30,177 --> 01:15:31,570
"Give up, man."
1559
01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:34,007
I say to Iggy, "I've got so much
more to say to you!"
1560
01:15:34,051 --> 01:15:36,488
And I'm shameless, you know,
1561
01:15:36,532 --> 01:15:39,230
and Iggy, bless his heart,
you know...
1562
01:15:40,057 --> 01:15:42,799
said, "Oh, I've got a good idea.
1563
01:15:42,842 --> 01:15:45,715
I'll talk to you
from the stage!"
1564
01:15:45,758 --> 01:15:48,282
And I went, "Okay!"
1565
01:15:48,718 --> 01:15:49,936
I said,
"You know what I wanna be,
1566
01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:51,503
I wanna be
a rock 'n' roll star."
1567
01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:53,418
Danny says,
"Jonathan, don't say that."
1568
01:15:53,461 --> 01:15:54,462
I said, "Why not?"
1569
01:15:55,725 --> 01:15:56,334
He says, "Because people
will laugh at you."
1570
01:15:56,377 --> 01:15:58,249
I go, "Yeah, and?"
1571
01:15:58,728 --> 01:16:01,644
It's the truth.
And we would argue.
1572
01:16:01,687 --> 01:16:04,690
And we'd have fights about
all kinds of things like that.
1573
01:16:04,734 --> 01:16:07,301
He was trying to be nice.
1574
01:16:07,345 --> 01:16:09,129
He was trying to help me out.
1575
01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:13,133
One of them albinos was
playing at a high school and
1576
01:16:13,177 --> 01:16:14,439
Steve Paul figured,
1577
01:16:14,482 --> 01:16:16,963
"Now we'll see how good
the Modern Lovers are,
1578
01:16:17,007 --> 01:16:18,878
so we'll have them
1579
01:16:18,922 --> 01:16:23,100
open for either one
of these unappealing artists."
1580
01:16:23,143 --> 01:16:25,581
The audience wasn't
thrilled with us exactly.
1581
01:16:25,624 --> 01:16:28,584
It was a mutual lack
of communication.
1582
01:16:30,934 --> 01:16:33,414
But that wasn't disheartening,
that was show biz.
1583
01:16:33,763 --> 01:16:36,287
They wouldn't have liked
the Second Coming
1584
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:39,595
if Jesus had flamed up
on the stage there.
1585
01:16:39,638 --> 01:16:44,121
They were waiting for
albino Texas blues guitarist
1586
01:16:44,164 --> 01:16:47,733
and nothing,
certainly not The Modern Lovers,
1587
01:16:47,777 --> 01:16:51,955
who were quirky and kinky
and Harvardy.
1588
01:16:51,998 --> 01:16:54,522
They could have been killed
by projectiles.
1589
01:16:54,566 --> 01:16:56,916
And if someone had
a poison dart gun,
1590
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,049
all The Modern Lovers
would have been dead.
1591
01:16:59,092 --> 01:17:02,966
So to me that's like, "Hooray!"
Must be doing something right.
1592
01:17:03,488 --> 01:17:09,363
So that ended our quest
to be associated with them.
1593
01:17:09,973 --> 01:17:11,452
Who knows
what would've happened?
1594
01:17:11,496 --> 01:17:12,802
Who knows?
1595
01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:19,765
Danny Goldberg:
I guess when Danny
1596
01:17:19,809 --> 01:17:20,853
uses the word inventing,
1597
01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:24,291
he means, that through
his credibility and enthusiasm,
1598
01:17:24,335 --> 01:17:26,032
he puts someone on a map
1599
01:17:26,076 --> 01:17:27,773
that they wouldn't
otherwise be on.
1600
01:17:27,817 --> 01:17:29,732
His opinion influenced...
1601
01:17:30,689 --> 01:17:32,909
most of the journalists
and PR people.
1602
01:17:32,952 --> 01:17:35,476
He just had the best taste,
1603
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,087
and a way of expressing it
1604
01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:39,480
that made you want
to seek his approval.
1605
01:17:39,524 --> 01:17:41,482
He doesn't think
about money as
1606
01:17:41,526 --> 01:17:44,094
the main definition
of success.
1607
01:17:44,137 --> 01:17:48,272
He thinks about greatness
as he defines it.
1608
01:17:48,315 --> 01:17:50,187
And if he thinks something
is great, it's great,
1609
01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:51,754
and whatever
anybody else thinks,
1610
01:17:51,797 --> 01:17:53,669
they're just idiots
if they don't agree with him.
1611
01:17:54,191 --> 01:17:57,194
So that's incredibly inspiring
in terms of
1612
01:17:57,237 --> 01:17:59,022
somebody's commitment
to their own taste
1613
01:17:59,065 --> 01:18:00,458
and clarity and vision.
1614
01:18:00,501 --> 01:18:02,068
It's not the way to get rich.
1615
01:18:02,112 --> 01:18:05,985
I never turned down quick money,
but I wasn't looking for it,
1616
01:18:06,029 --> 01:18:08,988
and you have to pay for money.
1617
01:18:09,032 --> 01:18:13,906
Steve Paul and I were both
asked to see Aerosmith.
1618
01:18:14,428 --> 01:18:15,952
He hated them as people,
1619
01:18:16,561 --> 01:18:18,955
and I didn't love them
as anything.
1620
01:18:19,564 --> 01:18:21,087
Someone could have said,
1621
01:18:21,131 --> 01:18:24,177
"Oh, they're gonna be great
and famous and big stars
1622
01:18:24,221 --> 01:18:25,701
and sell a gazillion records,
1623
01:18:25,744 --> 01:18:27,833
and make millionaires
out of everyone."
1624
01:18:27,877 --> 01:18:30,096
I would've said, "I don't care,
good, let it happen,
1625
01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:31,576
let someone else do it."
1626
01:18:31,619 --> 01:18:35,885
They flew people to Boston
to see them.
1627
01:18:35,928 --> 01:18:38,452
Lisa and I were there,
of course.
1628
01:18:39,062 --> 01:18:41,891
And afterwards,
there was a big dinner
1629
01:18:42,369 --> 01:18:45,242
at a cool restaurant
in Harvard Square.
1630
01:18:45,285 --> 01:18:47,853
The band came in,
and the first thing,
1631
01:18:47,897 --> 01:18:49,333
she looked at me and said,
1632
01:18:49,376 --> 01:18:54,294
"Ew, he's wearing what
he wore on stage to the party!
1633
01:18:54,773 --> 01:18:56,253
Ew!
1634
01:18:56,296 --> 01:18:58,472
I don't want to get
too near him!"
1635
01:18:59,256 --> 01:19:00,605
And...
1636
01:19:01,214 --> 01:19:02,650
you know...
1637
01:19:02,694 --> 01:19:06,002
It's kinda like that's one way
of saying what I felt.
1638
01:19:06,045 --> 01:19:08,744
It's a way of saying
what Steve Paul felt about them.
1639
01:19:09,309 --> 01:19:10,746
Legs McNeil:
I think what's great about Danny
1640
01:19:10,789 --> 01:19:12,095
is that he's kinda undefinable.
1641
01:19:13,705 --> 01:19:15,968
Danny believes that love is
kind of like art, it's perfect.
1642
01:19:16,447 --> 01:19:18,144
And sex is this dirty thing...
1643
01:19:18,928 --> 01:19:21,713
It's kinda like
money and sex are down here,
1644
01:19:21,757 --> 01:19:24,107
and art and love are up here.
1645
01:19:24,629 --> 01:19:27,153
And he has a kind of a...
1646
01:19:28,328 --> 01:19:30,200
a real conflict with that.
1647
01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:32,855
I mean I look back and...
1648
01:19:34,813 --> 01:19:36,162
What am I thrilled by?
1649
01:19:36,989 --> 01:19:38,948
Something I did?
No.
1650
01:19:39,339 --> 01:19:40,950
The best times?
1651
01:19:42,168 --> 01:19:43,300
When they were happening,
1652
01:19:44,997 --> 01:19:46,520
I didn't think, "Oh, I'm
living in the best time."
1653
01:19:46,999 --> 01:19:49,306
They didn't seem so then.
1654
01:19:49,349 --> 01:19:52,135
You don't say that,
on that...
1655
01:19:52,918 --> 01:19:55,791
When you think about it,
or look at pictures of it,
1656
01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:58,968
"Oh, my god,
what a beautiful place!
1657
01:19:59,490 --> 01:20:02,885
"What a beautiful time of day,
what a beautiful person!"
1658
01:20:02,928 --> 01:20:07,106
Five important people in my life
died last year!
1659
01:20:07,150 --> 01:20:11,154
Five!
I think, I'm losing count now.
1660
01:20:11,676 --> 01:20:14,200
In one year.
What?
1661
01:20:14,897 --> 01:20:16,202
You know...
1662
01:20:17,987 --> 01:20:19,640
My Achilles heel was...
1663
01:20:20,859 --> 01:20:23,906
everything
took too long to happen
1664
01:20:23,949 --> 01:20:26,212
and I couldn't stick
around for it.
1665
01:20:26,256 --> 01:20:28,649
I wasn't gonna stick around.
1666
01:20:32,262 --> 01:20:34,046
Mara Hennessy: He becomes
overly attached
1667
01:20:34,090 --> 01:20:37,397
to the illusion of self,
his creation,
1668
01:20:37,441 --> 01:20:38,746
Danny Fields.
1669
01:20:40,096 --> 01:20:41,837
And I think that that's
a lot of pressure,
1670
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,316
it's a full-time gig.
1671
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,841
So he lives with a...
1672
01:20:47,190 --> 01:20:50,628
A kinda sense of inadequacy
about his life, I think.
1673
01:20:52,586 --> 01:20:56,068
He feels like he needs
to do something he hasn't done.
1674
01:20:56,808 --> 01:21:00,072
I'm not sure,
but I think it's really basic...
1675
01:21:00,943 --> 01:21:02,640
existential despair.
1676
01:21:02,683 --> 01:21:04,860
I think it's like
the dark night of the soul,
1677
01:21:04,903 --> 01:21:07,645
that he goes back to
over and over and over again.
1678
01:21:07,688 --> 01:21:10,343
His whole apartment
is anthropomorphized.
1679
01:21:10,387 --> 01:21:12,998
He's got all the files and
all the things that he's saved,
1680
01:21:13,042 --> 01:21:14,086
and the photographs,
1681
01:21:15,566 --> 01:21:16,306
there's spirits of all
the people he's loved
1682
01:21:16,349 --> 01:21:17,916
and known everywhere.
1683
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,223
It's out of love
that he has that stuff.
1684
01:21:20,266 --> 01:21:25,054
He's very romantic,
wanting somebody to blossom.
1685
01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:27,404
And wanting somebody's
1686
01:21:27,926 --> 01:21:29,449
spiritual, creative,
1687
01:21:29,493 --> 01:21:31,887
intellectual development
to be fulfilled
1688
01:21:31,930 --> 01:21:34,802
as much as you want your own,
and helping them do that.
1689
01:21:34,846 --> 01:21:38,067
He does that for so many people.
That's loving.
1690
01:21:43,246 --> 01:21:48,729
Gloria Stavers, then at16,
who had been my supposed rival,
1691
01:21:48,773 --> 01:21:51,558
I never got near
to what she did,
1692
01:21:51,602 --> 01:21:55,432
asked me to be her personal
assistant at16 Magazine.
1693
01:21:55,954 --> 01:22:00,567
That lasted until her final
fight with the publisher.
1694
01:22:00,611 --> 01:22:05,355
And the magazine then fell to
the co-editorship
1695
01:22:05,398 --> 01:22:08,924
of me and the brilliant
Randi Reisfeld.
1696
01:22:09,446 --> 01:22:12,928
Danny did
absolutely bring a sense of fun.
1697
01:22:12,971 --> 01:22:15,365
It was going to be
about David Cassidy,
1698
01:22:15,408 --> 01:22:18,194
and it was going to be
about Davey Jones,
1699
01:22:18,237 --> 01:22:21,937
but he also would be interested
in exposing the readers
1700
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:23,634
to the Ramones,
1701
01:22:23,677 --> 01:22:26,985
or what was happening
on the hipper New York scene.
1702
01:22:27,029 --> 01:22:28,856
You went through a phase where
you had the Beatles,
1703
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:30,467
you had the Monkees,
you had David,
1704
01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:32,382
Bobby Sherman, the boom days...
1705
01:22:32,425 --> 01:22:35,559
But then harder-edged
rock 'n' roll took over,
1706
01:22:35,602 --> 01:22:39,998
so Danny made Alice
into sort of a teen idol.
1707
01:22:40,042 --> 01:22:42,044
I said, "There's so many
rock heroes,
1708
01:22:42,087 --> 01:22:44,437
so many Peter Pans,
where's Captain Hook?"
1709
01:22:44,481 --> 01:22:46,265
The great thing
about16 Magazine was that
1710
01:22:46,309 --> 01:22:48,876
it was Donny Osmond was
the devil and I was the angel,
1711
01:22:49,312 --> 01:22:52,097
which was kinda funny to be
on the cover of16
1712
01:22:52,141 --> 01:22:54,273
with Donny Osmond.
1713
01:22:54,317 --> 01:22:56,580
'Cause we couldn't have been
further apart.
1714
01:22:56,623 --> 01:23:01,324
Somehow Danny kinda liked
that juxtaposition of the two.
1715
01:23:01,846 --> 01:23:03,935
You know, the opposites.
1716
01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:08,113
I think that he loved glam rock,
punk rock and horror rock.
1717
01:23:08,157 --> 01:23:10,072
Iggy was the punk rock guy,
1718
01:23:10,115 --> 01:23:12,639
I was sorta
the glam/horror rock guy,
1719
01:23:13,336 --> 01:23:17,818
Bowie was
this space oddity/glam guy.
1720
01:23:17,862 --> 01:23:19,124
Danny was in the middle
of all of it,
1721
01:23:19,168 --> 01:23:20,821
almost orchestrating it.
1722
01:23:20,865 --> 01:23:22,519
And those are the guys that...
1723
01:23:22,998 --> 01:23:24,825
They are always in the wings,
1724
01:23:25,348 --> 01:23:27,828
but they're always
the most effective people.
1725
01:23:27,872 --> 01:23:30,483
He was always helping us,
and pushing us.
1726
01:24:35,592 --> 01:24:38,943
Max's was our after
hours,
1727
01:24:38,986 --> 01:24:42,599
before hours place to be.
1728
01:24:42,642 --> 01:24:46,081
The New York Dolls
were our band,
1729
01:24:46,124 --> 01:24:48,387
but because they wore lipstick
1730
01:24:48,431 --> 01:24:51,651
and had that attitude on
the cover of their first album,
1731
01:24:51,695 --> 01:24:54,306
they were slammed nationally.
1732
01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:56,526
Patti Smith
and Robert Mappelthorpe
1733
01:24:56,569 --> 01:24:59,920
knew about Max's,
but they were terrified.
1734
01:25:00,269 --> 01:25:04,099
It seemed so impenetrable
and so in,
1735
01:25:04,142 --> 01:25:07,406
especially the back room,
everyone was so cool.
1736
01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:10,061
We'd say, "They're are those
cute people again.
1737
01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:11,845
Which is a boy,
which is a girl?"
1738
01:25:12,672 --> 01:25:16,589
If one of them is a boy,
we should be fucking him,
1739
01:25:16,633 --> 01:25:19,288
and if one of them is a girl,
you should be fucking her.
1740
01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:21,072
They're just standing there,
1741
01:25:21,116 --> 01:25:22,465
they look like
they want to meet us.
1742
01:25:22,508 --> 01:25:24,249
Let's bring them in
and fuck them.
1743
01:25:24,293 --> 01:25:26,164
At one moment,
I just went up to them:
1744
01:25:26,208 --> 01:25:29,428
"Sit down, you're here all the
time, why don't you sit down.
1745
01:25:29,472 --> 01:25:31,604
Have a cup of coffee,
it's free."
1746
01:25:31,648 --> 01:25:34,607
Hey, it was Patti Smith and
Robert Mapplethorpe in infancy,
1747
01:25:34,651 --> 01:25:36,479
cultural infancy and...
1748
01:25:36,522 --> 01:25:39,786
as opposed to Jim Morrison,
she was a good poet.
1749
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:43,312
And he was adorable
and everyone fucked him.
1750
01:25:43,355 --> 01:25:45,966
So that was their kick-off.
1751
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:47,968
With the Patti Smith Group,
1752
01:25:48,012 --> 01:25:51,276
our sense of punk
was more one of attitude.
1753
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,017
Nobody knew
what the heck we were doing.
1754
01:25:53,060 --> 01:25:55,150
Patti would come out
and do a few standards,
1755
01:25:55,193 --> 01:25:57,195
and then I'd scrub away
on guitar,
1756
01:25:57,239 --> 01:26:00,242
and we'd do some rock oldies
and then some noise.
1757
01:26:00,285 --> 01:26:02,983
Danny says, "I know
a really great piano player."
1758
01:26:03,027 --> 01:26:05,160
And he introduces us
to Richard Sohl.
1759
01:26:05,203 --> 01:26:06,987
He's just a beautiful boy,
1760
01:26:07,031 --> 01:26:09,164
and we're thinking,
"Can he actually play?"
1761
01:26:09,207 --> 01:26:10,687
And then he sits down,
and phew...
1762
01:26:34,667 --> 01:26:36,669
And that was probably
the most important thing
1763
01:26:36,713 --> 01:26:38,105
for the development
1764
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:40,325
for our band,
and for Patti as a singer.
1765
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,850
He helped shepherd me as...
1766
01:26:44,721 --> 01:26:48,377
a young, questing human
into my life.
1767
01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:50,553
Forty years later,
I'm still playing,
1768
01:26:50,596 --> 01:26:52,119
which is a beautiful thing.
1769
01:26:52,163 --> 01:26:54,209
And Danny recognized
1770
01:26:54,252 --> 01:26:57,386
that element in me
before I even had a clue...
1771
01:26:58,125 --> 01:26:59,605
who I could be.
1772
01:26:59,649 --> 01:27:02,565
The Ramones
and their fighting, competitive,
1773
01:27:02,608 --> 01:27:04,915
we-hate-everyone-else spirit,
1774
01:27:04,958 --> 01:27:09,224
Johnny would yell at Tommy,
"You're our publicity guy,
1775
01:27:09,267 --> 01:27:11,704
why isn't this guy
writing about us?
1776
01:27:11,748 --> 01:27:14,533
Why is writing about these
fucking beatniks or hippies?"
1777
01:27:14,577 --> 01:27:16,361
They were also after
Lisa Robinson,
1778
01:27:16,405 --> 01:27:19,146
she was the editor
ofRock Scene.
1779
01:27:19,582 --> 01:27:23,716
And of courseRock Scene
was full of, you know...
1780
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,632
"David Johansen
has dinner in Chinatown"
1781
01:27:26,676 --> 01:27:30,201
or, you know, "The New York
Dolls buy lipstick."
1782
01:27:30,245 --> 01:27:32,290
All pictures, all glam,
1783
01:27:32,334 --> 01:27:35,902
nothing about music, it was
just all about celebrities.
1784
01:27:35,946 --> 01:27:37,208
Everyone was a star.
1785
01:27:37,252 --> 01:27:38,949
Lisa and I said, "Ugh...
1786
01:27:39,776 --> 01:27:42,257
are you getting bothered
by these Ramones?"
1787
01:27:42,735 --> 01:27:44,433
She said, "Ugh, they don't stop.
1788
01:27:44,476 --> 01:27:46,130
I'm afraid to pick up the
phone."
1789
01:27:47,349 --> 01:27:49,525
I said, "We have to get them
off our backs.
1790
01:27:49,568 --> 01:27:50,830
You go see the Ramones,
1791
01:27:50,874 --> 01:27:53,093
I'll go see
the whatever elses."
1792
01:27:53,137 --> 01:27:56,532
She called the next day
and she said,
1793
01:27:56,575 --> 01:27:59,404
"You've got to see this band,
you will love them."
1794
01:27:59,448 --> 01:28:01,537
Their songs are all
two minutes long,
1795
01:28:01,580 --> 01:28:03,756
their whole set is
about 14 minutes.
1796
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,932
It's what we dream of!
1797
01:28:05,976 --> 01:28:08,457
So I went to see them
the next time they played and...
1798
01:28:09,458 --> 01:28:10,763
it was true.
1799
01:28:10,807 --> 01:28:12,983
I Don't Wanna Go Down
To The Basement!
1800
01:28:13,549 --> 01:28:15,986
Come on, let's do "Loudmouth,"
all right?
1801
01:28:16,682 --> 01:28:17,683
Fuck it.
1802
01:28:19,337 --> 01:28:21,948
No, I wanna do "I Don't Wanna
Go Down To The Basement" too.
1803
01:28:21,992 --> 01:28:24,342
Yeah, I know,
that's two against one.
1804
01:28:24,386 --> 01:28:25,648
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
1805
01:28:25,691 --> 01:28:28,041
Really?
Fuck you all!
1806
01:28:28,085 --> 01:28:30,174
Take it, take it, let's go!
Quick, lively!
1807
01:28:30,217 --> 01:28:31,523
♪ 1, 2, 3, 4
1808
01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:51,674
♪ Hey, daddy-o
1809
01:28:52,501 --> 01:28:54,459
♪ I don't want to go
1810
01:28:54,503 --> 01:28:56,461
♪ down to the basement
1811
01:28:58,202 --> 01:28:59,856
♪ There's somethin' down there
1812
01:29:00,552 --> 01:29:02,598
♪ I don't want to go
1813
01:29:03,425 --> 01:29:04,948
♪ Hey, Romeo
1814
01:29:06,253 --> 01:29:08,299
♪ There's somethin' down there
1815
01:29:08,778 --> 01:29:10,562
♪ I don't want to go
1816
01:29:10,606 --> 01:29:12,738
♪ Down to the basement
1817
01:29:12,782 --> 01:29:14,871
I decided within 15 seconds
1818
01:29:15,262 --> 01:29:17,308
because if it ever takes me
longer than that
1819
01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:19,658
to know if I like
something or not,
1820
01:29:19,702 --> 01:29:21,225
I probably don't like it.
1821
01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:23,662
I don't want to have to wonder.
1822
01:29:23,706 --> 01:29:25,664
It's just gotta
1823
01:29:25,708 --> 01:29:27,536
knock me over like...
1824
01:29:28,275 --> 01:29:29,712
atomic wind.
1825
01:29:29,755 --> 01:29:32,584
This is just everything,
1826
01:29:32,628 --> 01:29:36,414
no guitar solos,
the songs are over so fast,
1827
01:29:36,458 --> 01:29:38,503
they're all so cute,
they look great,
1828
01:29:38,547 --> 01:29:39,809
I love what they're wearing.
1829
01:29:39,852 --> 01:29:41,724
I loved them,
they had everything.
1830
01:29:41,767 --> 01:29:43,856
I introduced myself to them
afterwards and
1831
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,685
I said right away,
"I want to be your manager."
1832
01:29:46,729 --> 01:29:50,123
"We need a few thousand dollars
for a drum kit and...
1833
01:29:50,559 --> 01:29:52,561
if you come up with that,
you can be our manager."
1834
01:29:55,346 --> 01:29:57,087
"Okay."
1835
01:29:57,783 --> 01:30:01,221
So I flew down to Florida and
1836
01:30:02,222 --> 01:30:04,486
went to visit my mother,
1837
01:30:04,529 --> 01:30:07,314
"I just discovered this band
I really love and
1838
01:30:07,358 --> 01:30:09,534
they're going to sign
a long contract with me,
1839
01:30:09,578 --> 01:30:10,883
and they're gonna make me rich.
1840
01:30:10,927 --> 01:30:14,452
I need $3,000."
"Okay, if you're sure."
1841
01:30:14,496 --> 01:30:16,236
And she wrote me a check
and I gave it to them,
1842
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,891
they bought what they needed
and I was their manager.
1843
01:31:00,019 --> 01:31:02,413
Lou Reed: Do you hear the way
the songs start?
1844
01:31:03,980 --> 01:31:06,286
No bullshitting,
and same way they end.
1845
01:31:07,113 --> 01:31:11,596
No, it goes at full throttle
from beginning to end.
1846
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,424
It starts and ends,
then the next one,
1847
01:31:13,468 --> 01:31:15,948
starts and ends
and just goes sailing on.
1848
01:31:15,992 --> 01:31:17,776
That's such a great concept!
1849
01:31:17,820 --> 01:31:19,952
- That's so intuitive.
- It's genius!
1850
01:31:20,344 --> 01:31:21,519
No kidding.
1851
01:31:23,173 --> 01:31:24,827
Now you hit the nail
on the head, they're crazy!
1852
01:31:25,828 --> 01:31:26,829
Without doubt,
1853
01:31:28,395 --> 01:31:28,961
the most fantastic
thing you've ever played,
1854
01:31:29,005 --> 01:31:29,832
bar none.
1855
01:31:31,529 --> 01:31:33,792
I mean it makes everybody else
look so bullshit and wimpy,
1856
01:31:33,836 --> 01:31:35,533
Patti Smith and me included.
1857
01:31:35,577 --> 01:31:37,317
Wow!
1858
01:31:37,361 --> 01:31:39,232
Everyone else looks like
a sissy compared to them.
1859
01:31:39,276 --> 01:31:42,061
Everybody else looks like
they're really old-fashioned.
1860
01:31:42,105 --> 01:31:45,195
That's rock 'n' roll.
They really hit where it hurts.
1861
01:31:45,674 --> 01:31:48,154
They are everything
everybody worried about.
1862
01:31:48,198 --> 01:31:50,026
Every parent in America would
1863
01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:52,724
freeze in their tracks
if they heard this stuff.
1864
01:31:52,768 --> 01:31:54,291
Everything, you know...
1865
01:31:54,334 --> 01:31:55,901
They got them an amp,
they got them a guitar.
1866
01:31:55,945 --> 01:31:57,468
Now look!
1867
01:31:57,512 --> 01:31:59,426
There they are!
1868
01:31:59,470 --> 01:32:01,167
Their worst dreams come true.
1869
01:32:01,211 --> 01:32:03,648
It doesn't take any talent,
all they're doing is banging it,
1870
01:32:03,692 --> 01:32:04,823
and look at this.
1871
01:32:06,346 --> 01:32:07,826
That is the greatest thing
I've ever heard.
1872
01:32:07,870 --> 01:32:09,393
Danny, do something I feel like.
1873
01:32:12,570 --> 01:32:14,006
My friend, Linda Stein,
1874
01:32:14,050 --> 01:32:16,008
she said
let's get Seymour to sign them.
1875
01:32:16,052 --> 01:32:17,793
So they played for Seymour,
1876
01:32:17,836 --> 01:32:20,186
who of course has wonderful
taste and heard the songs.
1877
01:32:20,230 --> 01:32:21,536
And Seymour was...
1878
01:32:22,101 --> 01:32:23,059
consistently...
1879
01:32:24,103 --> 01:32:25,365
irrevocably...
1880
01:32:26,105 --> 01:32:28,543
unstintingly supportive.
1881
01:32:29,065 --> 01:32:31,937
Mo Ostin, who was an accountant
for Frank Sinatra,
1882
01:32:31,981 --> 01:32:33,939
before he became chairman
of Warner Brothers,
1883
01:32:33,983 --> 01:32:35,419
Mo's a wonderful man
1884
01:32:35,462 --> 01:32:38,117
would say, "Seymour, this band
is not selling records,
1885
01:32:38,161 --> 01:32:40,032
"Did you ever think
of not renewing their options?"
1886
01:32:40,076 --> 01:32:41,556
And Seymour would say,
1887
01:32:41,599 --> 01:32:44,776
"Oh no, wherever I go,
this band goes."
1888
01:32:44,820 --> 01:32:47,692
Seymour Stein: A lot of people
have great taste,
1889
01:32:47,736 --> 01:32:50,869
but are afraid to express it.
Not Danny.
1890
01:32:50,913 --> 01:32:55,178
Danny was quite explicit
about everything.
1891
01:32:55,221 --> 01:32:59,704
He really had so much taste,
so smart.
1892
01:32:59,748 --> 01:33:02,751
But some of
his outrageous behavior...
1893
01:33:04,666 --> 01:33:06,711
You know, I think...
1894
01:33:07,930 --> 01:33:10,367
turned a lot of people off.
Not me.
1895
01:33:10,410 --> 01:33:11,977
Never.
1896
01:33:12,021 --> 01:33:14,589
I loved CBGB,
they were packing in crowds
1897
01:33:14,632 --> 01:33:16,547
that Hilly never imagined.
1898
01:33:16,591 --> 01:33:17,722
It made it all the more
1899
01:33:17,766 --> 01:33:19,594
depressing,
discouraging and frustrating
1900
01:33:19,637 --> 01:33:22,292
that we couldn't get them
out of town.
1901
01:33:22,335 --> 01:33:24,642
Tommy Ramone: We did an audition
for Blue Sky Records
1902
01:33:24,686 --> 01:33:26,252
that Steve Paul owned.
1903
01:33:26,296 --> 01:33:28,733
And our audition was opening
for Johnny Winter.
1904
01:33:28,777 --> 01:33:30,866
And it was our first time
out of the city,
1905
01:33:30,909 --> 01:33:32,781
in Waterbury, Connecticut.
1906
01:33:32,824 --> 01:33:37,307
And the curtain opens up,
and here are these guys...
1907
01:33:38,613 --> 01:33:41,311
playing music
from another dimension.
1908
01:33:41,746 --> 01:33:43,879
By the third or fourth song,
1909
01:33:43,922 --> 01:33:46,925
we take a break, all of sudden
out of the audience comes...
1910
01:33:53,497 --> 01:33:55,107
We always played
1911
01:33:55,151 --> 01:33:57,588
some place where no band
had ever played before.
1912
01:33:57,632 --> 01:34:00,460
A basement,
a loft or a parking lot,
1913
01:34:00,504 --> 01:34:03,812
or someone found
an abandoned warehouse.
1914
01:34:03,855 --> 01:34:07,163
Talking Heads auditioned
and Hilly thought they were
1915
01:34:07,642 --> 01:34:09,208
terrible enough to play there.
1916
01:34:09,252 --> 01:34:12,298
He asked me if they could
open for The Ramones.
1917
01:34:12,342 --> 01:34:14,953
Johnny was nearby,
he was very fussy about that.
1918
01:34:14,997 --> 01:34:17,652
And I said, "They want to open
for us, what do you think?"
1919
01:34:17,695 --> 01:34:21,046
He said, "They really are
lousy, yeah, sure."
1920
01:34:21,786 --> 01:34:23,440
That was his criteria,
1921
01:34:23,483 --> 01:34:26,182
are they terrible enough
not to steal any thunder?
1922
01:34:26,225 --> 01:34:28,837
Such a pro, so smart, Johnny.
1923
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,621
Again,
1924
01:34:30,665 --> 01:34:33,929
the Ramones first appearance
in London, July 4th, 1976,
1925
01:34:33,972 --> 01:34:35,800
outside the Round House,
1926
01:34:35,844 --> 01:34:38,281
Paul Simonon introduced himself.
1927
01:34:38,324 --> 01:34:41,153
"I'm a big fan of yours, this
must be really exciting for you,
1928
01:34:41,197 --> 01:34:43,503
you sold our the Round House,
you've never been here before."
1929
01:34:43,547 --> 01:34:44,983
And Johnny said,
"What do you do?"
1930
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,769
"We're called the Clash,
but we never played
1931
01:34:47,812 --> 01:34:49,988
'cause we're waiting
to get good enough."
1932
01:34:50,032 --> 01:34:53,165
Johnny said, "Wait till you see
us tonight, we stink!"
1933
01:34:53,209 --> 01:34:56,168
Just get out there and play.
Wait till you see us,
1934
01:34:56,212 --> 01:34:58,910
you're not gonna ever
worry about being good again."
1935
01:34:58,954 --> 01:35:02,392
And sure enough,
about two weeks later,
1936
01:35:02,435 --> 01:35:05,221
they started booking themselves,
The Clash, on tour.
1937
01:35:05,264 --> 01:35:09,355
You were not allowed to be
terrible and great
1938
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:11,009
until these bands came along.
1939
01:35:11,053 --> 01:35:14,578
And that was
the meaning of that revolution.
1940
01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:18,147
By traditional standards of
how many notes
1941
01:35:18,190 --> 01:35:21,803
can you squeeze into a second
like that Van Halen guy,
1942
01:35:21,846 --> 01:35:25,807
as opposed to how much power can
you get out of a performance,
1943
01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:28,810
that was the watershed moment.
1944
01:35:28,853 --> 01:35:30,855
Everything interesting
since then
1945
01:35:30,899 --> 01:35:32,422
has derived from that.
1946
01:35:32,465 --> 01:35:34,076
But they got that
from The Stooges as well,
1947
01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:35,381
who were terrible.
1948
01:35:35,425 --> 01:35:36,774
Bands in my life...
1949
01:35:38,123 --> 01:35:40,430
They were always
kinda doing something like that.
1950
01:35:40,473 --> 01:35:42,867
And it was always
about the songs.
1951
01:35:42,911 --> 01:35:45,783
Every one of those bands
had great songs.
1952
01:35:45,827 --> 01:35:47,785
If they didn't have great songs,
1953
01:35:47,829 --> 01:35:49,787
they couldn't have been great.
1954
01:36:47,976 --> 01:36:51,718
There's no question that
the Ramones suffered greatly
1955
01:36:51,762 --> 01:36:54,634
because the Sex Pistols
were so famous
1956
01:36:54,678 --> 01:37:00,597
for vomiting and bleeding
and scratching and smelling and
1957
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,817
tearing down and destroying,
1958
01:37:02,860 --> 01:37:04,601
you know, "no future".
1959
01:37:05,602 --> 01:37:06,516
So bleak!
1960
01:37:08,083 --> 01:37:09,954
And when their records
went around to radio stations...
1961
01:37:09,998 --> 01:37:12,827
Intuitive,
like what do I know about them?
1962
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:16,134
They're trouble.
They throw up.
1963
01:37:16,178 --> 01:37:18,397
If we play their record, we'll
probably have to have them here,
1964
01:37:18,441 --> 01:37:19,964
and then they'll throw up
on the console.
1965
01:37:20,008 --> 01:37:22,358
It's easier!
Don't play their record!
1966
01:37:22,401 --> 01:37:25,013
And this stigma falls on you.
1967
01:37:25,056 --> 01:37:26,449
They're a critics' band.
1968
01:37:28,146 --> 01:37:30,018
Critics don't pay for records,
they get them free.
1969
01:37:30,061 --> 01:37:33,543
And every once in a while
they annoy us
1970
01:37:33,586 --> 01:37:36,763
by rubbing it in that
they all like this band
1971
01:37:36,807 --> 01:37:38,026
that we're not able to sell.
1972
01:37:38,069 --> 01:37:42,378
The band voted to find
new management,
1973
01:37:42,421 --> 01:37:44,728
in the hopes of
1974
01:37:45,337 --> 01:37:48,688
getting these wonderful songs
on the radio.
1975
01:37:48,732 --> 01:37:53,215
And I could not fucking
in any way blame them.
1976
01:37:53,258 --> 01:37:57,915
The Ramones were disaffected
teenagers for whom, in fact,
1977
01:37:58,394 --> 01:38:02,354
there was, when they were
in high school, no future.
1978
01:38:02,789 --> 01:38:04,356
But through their work,
1979
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,057
they gave themselves
a very long future.
1980
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:14,236
They left a legacy
of no future people.
1981
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:16,064
Maybe we have a future.
1982
01:38:16,107 --> 01:38:18,196
We thought we had no future!
1983
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:19,415
Look at them!
1984
01:38:20,764 --> 01:38:22,548
They can't play!
They're terrible!
1985
01:38:22,592 --> 01:38:25,769
But look! This is exciting!
They're big! They're famous!
1986
01:38:25,812 --> 01:38:27,379
They can get laid.
1987
01:38:27,423 --> 01:38:28,859
Let's start a band!
1988
01:38:28,903 --> 01:38:33,385
What more can you do?
1989
01:38:33,429 --> 01:38:36,214
Your pied pipers out there.
1990
01:38:36,258 --> 01:38:39,435
What? You can't pay
the rent with that.
1991
01:38:39,957 --> 01:38:44,266
A lot of these bands are going
to go on to be U2 and Pearl Jam,
1992
01:38:44,309 --> 01:38:47,095
and outsell you by the zillions.
1993
01:38:47,138 --> 01:38:49,445
It was the greatest years
of my life,
1994
01:38:49,488 --> 01:38:51,969
traveling, the adventure...
1995
01:38:52,796 --> 01:38:54,058
getting laid...
1996
01:38:55,103 --> 01:38:57,409
the audience reaction...
1997
01:38:57,453 --> 01:38:59,107
the encore...
1998
01:38:59,977 --> 01:39:02,806
fans...
getting laid...
1999
01:39:02,849 --> 01:39:04,460
You know,
I would have been a millionaire,
2000
01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:07,593
if I'd just stayed with them,
but then again,
2001
01:39:08,377 --> 01:39:10,901
I would've had to be
their manager for 20 years.
2002
01:39:10,945 --> 01:39:12,642
Wow, I always liked to do
something new
2003
01:39:12,685 --> 01:39:14,296
that no one's ever done before.
2004
01:39:42,498 --> 01:39:45,022
Oh yeah, stick with me,
and 40 years from now,
2005
01:39:45,066 --> 01:39:46,110
you'll be a star.
2006
01:39:49,244 --> 01:39:50,288
You'll be in
the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
2007
01:39:50,332 --> 01:39:52,812
That's the worst case,
but you know,
2008
01:39:52,856 --> 01:39:55,902
life isn't long enough
to see everything that happens
2009
01:39:55,946 --> 01:39:58,688
that we saw beginning
or continuing or
2010
01:39:58,731 --> 01:39:59,994
we thought was ending.
2011
01:40:01,604 --> 01:40:03,345
You know, it takes more time
than that when it comes to...
2012
01:40:04,650 --> 01:40:05,869
things that will endure.
2013
01:40:07,436 --> 01:40:10,308
I have been really lucky
to know or be around
2014
01:40:10,352 --> 01:40:13,616
so many smart people,
and then from that
2015
01:40:13,659 --> 01:40:16,619
to have so many smart people
be my best friends.
2016
01:40:16,662 --> 01:40:18,577
I thought I would never
have any friends.
2017
01:40:18,621 --> 01:40:20,927
What matters is the people
2018
01:40:20,971 --> 01:40:23,060
and the smart people,
and the friends people,
2019
01:40:23,104 --> 01:40:25,236
and the beautiful people and
2020
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,545
animals and dogs
and nature and art and...
2021
01:40:30,198 --> 01:40:33,331
maybe music belongs
in that list somewhere.
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