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This photois taken in the studio,
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and you can seeMichelangelo sitting
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here through this gray glass.
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And this is me.
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It's really funnybecause it looks
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as though I'm directing him.
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He was doing hisfirst film in English.
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His English was notamazing, and he needed
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somebody to be his ears...
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his ears with the actors...
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to be able to tell him theeffect of what they would do.
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In '66 I was 27.
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My first movie.
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It's an American movie,MGM, American budget.
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But the artistic mind behindit was this particularly
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European mind of.
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We were talking French usually,and he would explain to me
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often what it was thathe wanted actors to do,
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but sometimes what hewanted the crew to do.
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He explained to me once whyhe was shooting in London.
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He said, OK, I had thisstory I wanted to do.
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The story happens toconcern a photographer.
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So he had to analyze wherewould it be interesting to make
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a film about a photographer.
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He said, well, youcould make it in Rome,
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but it's been done...much of it has been done.
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Seriously considered New York,but the attraction of London
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was obviously that itwas Swinging London.
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There was a scene, therewas a climate of excitement,
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and interest, andchange, and new work.
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I got a phone call
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from someone who said they wereat Harper's Bazaar in England.
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And Mr. Antonioniwas in town and he'd
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like to watch me take pictures.
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And I thought this is a joke.
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I had seen all hismovies, and at that time,
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Antonioni was god.
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And he came down and hestood right over here.
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In 1965 I starteda book shop and art gallery
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with two friends of mine, PeterAsher who was part of Peter
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and Gordon, a rockand roll group,
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and my friend JohnDunbar who was the art
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critic for "The Scotsman."
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We found premisesin Mason's Yard
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for the gallery and bookshop.
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Mason's Yard is a smallpiazza just off of Piccadilly.
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That was where theScotch of St. James
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was located, whichwas at that point
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the sort of cool rock androll aristocracy nightclub
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where The Stones, andThe Beatles, and The Who,
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and everybody used to meet.
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Nothinglike modern discos.
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It only held 150 people.
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It was the size of aVIP bar in modern disco,
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and it was just a VIP bar.
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You were looked atthrough a keyhole.
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You had to be well-known,you had to be known to them.
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But I was in thereone night and there
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was a little slim Italian mangetting a lot of attention,
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and I didn't recognize him.
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I wondered who he was.
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He didn't look like a rock star.
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And Kit Lambert said,well, that's Antonioni,
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the famous director.
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He's come to makea film in London,
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and he wants The Who to performin it and smash their guitars.
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And I was very jealous,and I wanted my group,
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The Others to be in it.
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But I couldn't tell Kit that.
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So I wanted to go up and talkto him, and said Kit, Kit...
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no, no, no.
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He's... I'm... Mygroup's doing the part.
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I'm going to see himtomorrow at the Savoy Hotel.
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So I told Kit don'tbe a pushover.
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I said demand5,000 pounds or say
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you want control of the edit.
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And I knew Antonioniwould throw him out.
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One of the peoplewho Antonioni knew in Britain
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when he came over here wasRobert Fraser who brought over
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a lot of pop art from America...that Andy Warhol he showed,
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for instance, and Britishpop artists like Peter Blake,
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and Hamilton, andall of those people.
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At Fraser's place he first metPaul McCartney, for instance,
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who was a good friendof Robert's, as were
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the other Beatles and Stones.
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Antonioni and McCartneygot on extremely well,
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and Paul invited Antonioniover to his house
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and showed him his home movies.
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Antonioni was themost exciting person to meet,
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because he hadmade "L'Avventura,"
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and "L'Avventura" was the filmthat changed my mind complete,
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or actually introducedme to cinema.
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I remember him comingto my family house
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in Belgravia in London,which was a very sort
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of dead, dull place.
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I think he must have beenbrought there with
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probably becausewe were the only
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Bohemian family in Belgravia.
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So when he came, wewere all very excited.
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We spoke Italian, and thenbecame a friend of his...
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so did my brother... and wewent about in London with him.
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I think he was very, verymuch taken by the excitement
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about London... thatthere was about London,
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and that was going on in London.
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And he's interested in fashion,in the clothes, in the customs,
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in the everything that wasconsidered to be liberating.
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This was the firsttime that young people had
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any money, and they didn't haveenough money, obviously, to buy
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cars or to buy houses ora mortgage or something,
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but they had enough moneyto buy records and clothes.
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And there wereyoung people doing...
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starting little boutiques.
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And the two key ones forthe London Underground, one
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was Michael Rainey's"Hung On You."
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"Granny Takes a Trip,"which of course is
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famouslyin the book address,
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which was used in "Blow-Up."
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Because they didn't just makeclothes for young people.
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They also specializedin vintage clothes.
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It wascolor, bringing color,
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color to this foggy nation.
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The fashion photographerswere doing that in a sense,
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and so it wasn'tjust superficial,
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it was also quiterevolutionary in a way.
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As a specialistin the history of photography,
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as somebody who's passionatelycurious about the whole story
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of the London scene in the '60s,photography is the dominant
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thread for me, and has beena dominant thread through
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my investigation of "Blow-Up."
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I've always wantedto find out more...
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who were theinfluences, who made
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the pictures used in the film.
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And I was thrilled to knowthat the photographer who one
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sees in the openingcredits from behind,
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it was David Montgomery.
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Somepeople called me up and said,
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Mr. Antonioni would like youto come down and photograph
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while the film's going on.
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Comes the big day andI take my assistant,
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and we go to Brixton Market.
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And all these bigmovie cameras around,
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and hustling, and facingthis way, that way.
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One of the men says, OK,you set up your camera here,
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and Donyale Luna, who wasthe beautiful black model,
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was standing on topof a little hut.
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So I'm shootingand I'm shooting,
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and I stop becauseI've run out of film.
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We open up the camera andwe're taking the film out,
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and all of a suddenthey come running over
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and say, what are you doing?
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What are you doing?
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I said, I'm changing film.
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I've run out of film.
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And they said, youdon't need film.
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This is a movie.
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It's make believe.
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I said, not make believe to me.
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I'm a photographer.
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I'm not an actor.
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I can't make believeI'm taking pictures.
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Actually, I don't
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know how I got inbecause I didn't
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phone the production company.
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I just called the Savoyand somehow got through
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to his suite and saidI was the manager
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of The Yardbirds, whowere the second biggest
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group in the world.
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And I went very preparedwith lots of reviews
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and photographs and things.
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And I told him I'dheard from Kit Lambert
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that they hadn'tgot on very well.
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And I said to him that actuallythis smashing equipment, which
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he was very keen to see, reallywasn't The Who that started it.
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I said it was theYardbirds who started it
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and The Who copied them.
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And I said Jeff Beckalways smashes...
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or he used to smash his guitar.
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He's marvelous at it.
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And anyway, I don't how I thinkAntonioni just got on with me.
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We clicked quite well.
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I think he probablyknew I was lying,
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but I think he liked that too.
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And so he said, OK,they can come and do it.
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"We had to play a film tochange the sets at The Hampstead
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Theatre betweenthe various scenes
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in "Adventures inthe Skin Trade."
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The shooting had to bedone for next to nothing,
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but I was happy to do it ina surrealist or irrealist
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mode in the old black andwhite and silent manner.
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So there I was when a mysteriousand beautiful woman I knew
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called Clare came in with ahandsome elder Italian saying
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that they werelooking for locations.
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And then I went upstairs todiscover that Clare was with
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Michelangelo Antonioni whowas about to film "Blow-Up,"
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which would turn outto be the definitive
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statement of howyoung life in London
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appeared to be right then."
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David Hemmings at thetime was absolutely broke,
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and we hired him.
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We first wanted tohire Terence Stamp,
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but Terence Stamp didn'tlike the play too much,
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and he knew hewas actually being
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thought of to do.
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But Hemmings was numbertwo to Stamp at the time.
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He had a spotty actingcareer, but he was
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available and absolutely broke.
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So he came to stay with me inmy river house in Limehouse,
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and he had nothing.
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So we negotiated for 20 poundsa week was all he was getting.
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I took him toLimehouse in the East end
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on the docks... that part inLondon which was still a port,
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still functioning as port, wherewriter Andrew Sinclair lived,
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and he was workingwith David Hemmings,
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and I went to theplay with Antonioni.
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I saw that he had thisenergy, and what a capacity
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to sort of followAntonioni rules,
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which was saying very little.
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And being used in a way,you're used as a tool.
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And at the same timehe had this quickness
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and sharpness which was very...
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right for the part.
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Hemmings is marvelous.
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It's probably his greatestperformance as the young Dylan
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Thomas... quite extraordinary.
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Energetic, recklessand ,
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he was perfect for "Blow-Up."
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So instead of 20pounds a week, he
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left us for the set of"Blow-Up"... of course,
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Stamp had been fired.
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He had taken therole on 7,500 a week
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in a Rolls Royce white coupe.
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It was the biggest translationof fortunes I've ever seen.
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He was called Thomasin the "Blow-Up,"
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the great photographerhero David Hemmings.
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Because, of course, that ishow Antonioni.
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From "Adventuresin the Skin Trade,"
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he took out Dylan Thomas.
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The photographerstudio was, at that time
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in '66, a very sort ofemblematic place because
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of Bailey, and your fashionscene, and King's Road,
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and miniskirts.
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It was somehowculturally central.
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Antonioniwas meticulous in researching
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to create a real authenticityaround his character,
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around the details of howhe lived, how a shoot works.
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It's underpinned with a lotof accurate, minute detailing.
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Antonioniasked Frances Windham,
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who was an extremely talentedwriter of "The Sunday Times,"
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he wanted to compose akind of questionnaire.
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And so what he had wasdata about the behavior,
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the choices madeby photographers,
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their lifestyle, theirattitudes to women,
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and to sex, and so on.
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Amongthe various photographers
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that he visited, of coursewas David Montgomery.
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So what I learnt in that momentwas that the actor who had
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played the part of DavidHemmings' assistant actually
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wasn't an actor at all.
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Reg was DavidMontgomery's assistant.
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And Antonioni felt noneed to change his name.
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This is good.
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This is the Hendrix nudes.
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This was 1966... a long time ago.
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I was doing a shootingfor Harper's Bazaar,
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and Mr. Antonioni came down.
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I did a photograph of thesegirls wrapped in plastic.
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We didn't talk much,and he ended up using...
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I think all the girlsthat were in the shooting,
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they were in the movie as well.
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There were three models, onecalled Melanie Hampshire,
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and another onecalled Peggy Moffitt,
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and she was thefirst Rudi Gernreich
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model for the toplessbikini for women.
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And then another onecalled Jill Kennington
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was just one of thosepeople that could move.
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She had natural grace.
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The curious thing
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was that we weren'tgoing to be filming
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in Shepperton or anything else.
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It was actually takingplace in this studio,
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which was John Khan's studio.
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And I lived herefor a few years.
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Thestudio, John Kahn's studio,
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is in a part of London whichwas then quite shabby, quite
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scruffy, an areawhere you could rent
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a big space, not crazy money.
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Today it's become so grandand so expensive, that area.
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The studio is at39 Prince's Place.
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If you go to 39Prince's Place today,
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you will be confused becausethe facade will not correspond
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to what you know from the film.
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You have to go around thecorner to Pottery Lane
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to find the facade, sothe exterior shots were
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made in this nearby street.
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When John agreed torent the studio out
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to Antonioni as the principalset, he lived in a caravan
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in the street outside.
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And I gather thatAntonioni would
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probably havepreferred that he'd
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moved a little further away.
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Asfar as I remember,
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the actual shoottook about a week.
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And it was so outof character for me
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to be what ended up bybeing the role of us five
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girls being completelydumb, and stupid,
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and very immobile as well.
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You know, rather than the usualanimation that I was used to.
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He obviously knew exactlywhat he wanted from us,
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and that was like a tableau,and he wanted the David Hemmings
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character to bevery sort of alive,
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and for some reason quite rude.
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But he wanted us tobe quite inanimate,
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so I couldn't move very much.
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I remember feelingquite restricted.
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Jill was oneof the absolute top London
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models of the '60s.
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John Cowan, with whom shehad that close relationship,
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was absolutely atthe top of the game.
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He was one of the keyphotographers defining what
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we know as Swinging London.
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But setting that new mood...
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energetic, dynamic,youthful... he was intensely
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creative in the early '60s.
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They were a goldencouple of a golden moment
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in British cultural history.
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But for differentreasons they didn't
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stay in thespotlight in the way,
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for instance, David Baileyand Jean Shrimpton stayed
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in the spotlight and havemaintained that that presence
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as reputations ever since.
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We have to remember,a lot of his great,
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great photographs weremade for newsprint,
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as opposed to magazines.
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He was working for the Sundaypapers and the daily papers,
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and one realizes that he madesome of his finest pictures,
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destined to have alife span of one day.
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Theinteresting thing
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is that he kept theessence of this studio
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as it was when Johnhad it, because he
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had such huge great blow ups,particularly of me, many of me.
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So it was interesting.
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He did want to show theenergy in those photographs
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and have it in the set as well.
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So that was good.
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I liked that.
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Bailey's work was notwhat the film was about,
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but his character, as in whatDavid Hemmings was inspired by,
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I think possibly camea lot from Bailey.
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But the energy came fromJohn Cowan, for sure.
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The shooting with Veruschkaand David was pure John Cowan.
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I mean I'd workedwith him like that.
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Sadly, it wasn't whenAntonioni was watching us.
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But that didn't matter.
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Veruschka was perfect for thatrole, and I think completely...
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John used to often get upa step ladder, for example,
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and film from the floor,or the other way up.
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You're lying on glass.
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I mean he was justvery innovative.
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It's changed dimension.
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I think it usedto be a lot wider.
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The things thatused to happen here,
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and I used to livehere for a while.
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It's great.
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Oh, I feel as if I knowevery bit of the floor
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as well, where we didphotographs and the filming,
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of course.
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This used to bea fabulous space,
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and I think when Antonionifound here, he just
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thought it was the bee'sknees, because you could get
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a whole film crew in here, andyou could shoot from the top,
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which made it very interesting.
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And I guess theVeruschka picture
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must have been from here.
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I wonder what'sgoing to happen next.
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It's a piece of history, though,this film being made here.
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I didn't realize atthe time that film
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would be so significant...
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you know, sort of bird'seye view into London life.
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Some of it wasexaggerated, of course.
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Well, that's adirector's privilege.
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And I never knew whatwas in Antonioni head.
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He was quite a sortof philosophical man,
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and very quiet.
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The mostcomposed secrets of all
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is the models in thereflective glass,
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because it's a keysequence that embodies
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the meaning of the film ofjust a man with a camera who's
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playing with images, visions.
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These are visions thathe's able to control.
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And of course, what happensthen is that's something
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that he can't control.
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The fastidiousness of his visionwas very clear in the studio.
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When we came to doset up, everybody
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had to leave the studio,and Michelangelo would be
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in there with the viewfinder.
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And he would be workingout what would happen next,
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and then he would callDePalma,
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their cameraman, calledthe first assistant,
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and then he'd call forthe actors, and me,
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and they would thenwork it out, because he
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would design the set up veryslowly, with great care.
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The scene with the girls andthe paper, the nude scene,
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was, of course, differentagain, because there was
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the fact that they were naked...
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that's difficult, and you haveto close the set and so on.
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And the fact also that itwas completely unrehearsed.
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You couldn't possiblyrehearse that scene.
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So it was just a romp in paper.
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I loved that sequencebecause that he's
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using the paper, which ispart of the photographer's
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tool of a photographer that yousee him pulling down the paper,
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you know, when he's workinghe's changing the sheets.
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And here it's usedwith wit and style.
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My husbandPierre Rouve was, indeed,
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the executiveproducer on "Blow-Up,"
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working for Bridge Films, whichis, of course, the English
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version of Ponti, Carlo Ponti.
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One evening... I think Iwas drawing the blinds here
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in the sitting room, and noticedthat Antonioni in his car
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was parked outside on theother side of the road.
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I imagined that Pierre hadinvited to come for supper,
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but had forgottento tell me, and had
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forgotten to come back home.
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And so I telephoned him andI said, as far as I can see,
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Antonioni's actually sittingin his car outside the house,
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but he doesn't seem to wantto come into the house.
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He said, don't do anything.
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He's actually avery, very shy person
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and would find it very difficultto make casual conversation.
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So I waited, he waited, andfinally Pierre came home.
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He was also workingas a lecturer,
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and that meant that he had theopportunity to invite Antonioni
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to visit the ChelseaSchool of Art
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where Antonioni would have beenintroduced to Ian Stephenson
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and seen his work, originally.
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And overhere, of course, this
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is the painting which appears inthe film, and is talked about.
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This motif is based on aGreek classical sculpture.
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When described byDavid Hemmings,
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the artist turned intoa leg in the film,
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but it doesn't makeany difference.
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In fact, that's moremagical than if they
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actually described it.
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He didn't fit in anywhere.
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He wasn't a potpainter, he wasn't
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an American style colorist.
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He was just making theseextraordinary artworks of
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all different colored paints.
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In a way he suffered forthat, because he's never
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in big exhibitionsvery often because they
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don't know where to put him.
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Antonioni couldhave been introduced to a range
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of artists who,it might be felt,
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represented the spirit of Londonat that point in the mid-'60s.
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Stephenson is aninteresting choice.
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He's somebody who deconstructsthe process of vision
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and representation itself.
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WhenAntonioni came to the studio,
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Ian had on his perfectly cleanwhite t-shirt, beautiful jeans,
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hair all combed, and had theconversations with Antonioni,
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and then they went away.
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And eventually when Ian wason the set at some point,
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the artist in the film appearedin a pair of blue jeans
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and a very white t-shirtand his hair all combed,
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and Ian must have said tothem, well, I don't look
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like that when I'm painting.
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And someone musthave just taken a paint brush
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and made three or four marks onthe white t-shirt, completely
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arbitrary, nothing to do withanything like Ian's dots.
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Assheton Gorton, theproduction designer,
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came to Ian in the studioto select some things
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to be on the set,and took virtually
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everything out of the studio.
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The plaster cast, all thepots of paints, some easels,
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I think there was achair, actually... just
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sort of in-studio contentsdisappeared into a van
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and were away forquite a long time.
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So he couldn't actually geton with what he was doing.
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I hearda lot about Pierre
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needing to get up terriblyearly in the morning
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and having to go down toStockwell to make sure
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that the right amountof houses were painted
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the right color of red,because Antonioni would
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never have had the wrong red.
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It had to be the rightthing, the perfect thing.
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Antonioni wasvery fortunate in having
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an excellentproduction designer,
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a man calledAssheton Gorton, who
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was very sensitive tolocations in London.
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So we begin with the EconomistBuilding, an extremely
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modern architecture in London.
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What Assheton Gorton did wasto find a shop, and stuff that
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full of this kind of debris.
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So that we see, if you like,the relics of an imperial past.
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We know that they'renot sympathetic
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to the young photographer.
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On the other hand, heseizes upon the propeller.
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It's true of Antonioni'sspirit, an ambivalent object.
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It's a relic, it's antiquated.
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On the other hand, it'sabout the era of modernity.
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But the main thing hedid was to find the park,
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and the park was like a little...
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a little theatre.
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He wanted a stage set.
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It was a park, a London park,but it felt a compacted space.
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When wearrived outside the park,
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by this antique shop, onecould see that the road
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was sort of a particular color.
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And I learned that they had,in fact, painted the road.
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00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:56,821
And this was thefirst experience
511
00:35:56,888 --> 00:36:00,024
of the degree ofcontrol of color
512
00:36:00,124 --> 00:36:02,960
that Michelangelo haddeveloped, from this
513
00:36:03,027 --> 00:36:07,398
where he's soparticular about the color.
514
00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:08,499
It's an art.
515
00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:09,700
It's like painting with color.
516
00:36:44,368 --> 00:36:47,438
As very young and notexperienced in cinema,
517
00:36:47,538 --> 00:36:50,908
I didn't quite understandwhy the sun was shining
518
00:36:51,008 --> 00:36:52,543
and we didn't shoot.
519
00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:55,746
And he explained to methat I need the cloud.
520
00:36:55,846 --> 00:36:58,916
It has to be very English,it has to be gloomy.
521
00:36:59,016 --> 00:37:01,953
This was another aspectof the precision, the
522
00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:05,423
artistic precision of his eye.
523
00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:19,096
Itwas in '94 or '95
524
00:38:19,163 --> 00:38:23,200
I think that I had theextreme good fortune
525
00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:28,873
to find the original blow-upsthat feature in the film,
526
00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:30,374
or at least a number of them.
527
00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:33,844
Just over 20 of the originalblow-ups with the drawing
528
00:38:33,944 --> 00:38:36,714
pin holes, where Hemmingspinned them to the beam
529
00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:37,515
or to the wall.
530
00:38:46,057 --> 00:38:53,397
20 of these photographs made inthe park showing the couple...
531
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:56,300
is it a gun in thebushes, is it a body?
532
00:38:56,367 --> 00:39:01,038
That picture story where Thomas,the photographer, thinks he's
533
00:39:01,138 --> 00:39:02,540
stumbled on a murder.
534
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,142
The evidence, theevidential pictures.
535
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:15,720
At first it was a mystery asto who had actually taken them.
536
00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:18,889
Somehow... I forget howthe connection was made...
537
00:39:18,989 --> 00:39:21,325
I learnt that itwas Don McCullin.
538
00:39:21,392 --> 00:39:25,162
Don McCullin who is suchan illustrious reputation
539
00:39:25,229 --> 00:39:31,769
in the history, known for hisreally powerful war reportage.
540
00:39:31,869 --> 00:39:36,107
He was a great photojournalistcovering the great conflicts
541
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:38,843
of his time.
542
00:39:38,909 --> 00:39:41,379
Antonioni hadasked Arthur Evans,
543
00:39:41,445 --> 00:39:43,781
the onset photographerfor "Blow-Up,"
544
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:50,855
to take some pictures in apark, which he did, but Arthur
545
00:39:50,921 --> 00:39:54,291
Evans didn't get them right.
546
00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:57,261
They were too clear, too crisp...
547
00:39:57,361 --> 00:39:59,930
... tooprofessional in a sense.
548
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:03,934
And Antonioni realized heneeded something more gritty,
549
00:40:04,034 --> 00:40:07,104
some... when you blewit up would soon
550
00:40:07,204 --> 00:40:09,707
become this pattern of green.
551
00:40:09,774 --> 00:40:11,976
And throughconnections, possibly
552
00:40:12,076 --> 00:40:15,646
through Frances Wyndham, becauseboth Frances Wyndham and Don
553
00:40:15,746 --> 00:40:18,215
McCullin were workingon "The Sunday Times,"
554
00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:20,451
he was introducedto Don McCullin
555
00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:24,054
and saw the grittystyle of photography
556
00:40:24,121 --> 00:40:28,726
that he was associated with, andhe became the man for the job.
557
00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:45,443
Most crucial, there is abody at the end of the line.
558
00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:51,415
Now, McCullin had been,earlier in the 1960s,
559
00:40:51,482 --> 00:40:55,753
in Cyprus, in othertheaters of conflict
560
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:58,656
where he hadphotographed bodies.
561
00:41:04,995 --> 00:41:07,531
Ianwas invited onto the set
562
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:12,536
to actually drop some painton some of the blank canvases.
563
00:41:12,636 --> 00:41:15,873
And there was a bit of floomwith his hand doing it.
564
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:19,543
It did show that was how itwas put onto the canvas...
565
00:41:19,643 --> 00:41:23,113
dropped and movedaround and counted.
566
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:25,816
Antonioni did askIan about trying
567
00:41:25,883 --> 00:41:31,055
to relate the image on thecanvas to the photographs.
568
00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:32,490
And Ian didn't copy them.
569
00:41:32,556 --> 00:41:34,058
He couldn't have copied them.
570
00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:38,295
But he did make some movementon the surface of the paintings
571
00:41:38,362 --> 00:41:41,165
which representedthe more abstracted
572
00:41:41,232 --> 00:41:46,737
forms on the blow-upversion of the photograph.
573
00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:51,742
Antonioni wantedto double back on his own film
574
00:41:51,842 --> 00:41:56,413
by having it mirrored ina painting by Stephenson.
575
00:41:56,514 --> 00:42:01,385
And so he requests that apainting be made from one
576
00:42:01,485 --> 00:42:06,190
of the stills that DonMcCullin had provided... these,
577
00:42:06,257 --> 00:42:08,926
which have suchextraordinarily highly
578
00:42:09,026 --> 00:42:11,095
charged atmospheres to them.
579
00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:14,765
Because they show thedisappearance of form
580
00:42:14,865 --> 00:42:18,936
in foliage and undergrowth,then for Stephenson
581
00:42:19,036 --> 00:42:24,375
to then step up to thatand show forms disappearing
582
00:42:24,441 --> 00:42:26,777
in paint as painted marks.
583
00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:41,725
Don McCullinwas the name attached
584
00:42:41,792 --> 00:42:44,261
to the blow-upsmade in the park,
585
00:42:44,361 --> 00:42:50,100
but Don McCullin is the nameattached to the pictures which
586
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,070
Thomas, the photographer,shows to his agent in the scene
587
00:42:53,137 --> 00:42:55,973
in the restaurantwhere they're looking
588
00:42:56,073 --> 00:43:00,110
at the maquette of a bookwhich he hopes to publish.
589
00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:02,046
And these picturesare the... they're
590
00:43:02,112 --> 00:43:06,984
the absolute opposite of hishis high fashion pictures.
591
00:43:07,084 --> 00:43:10,220
They're his photographsof tramps, down and outs,
592
00:43:10,287 --> 00:43:11,555
people in the eastend of London,
593
00:43:11,622 --> 00:43:14,258
the poor, the underbellyof the dark side,
594
00:43:14,325 --> 00:43:18,596
this glamorous city that peopletalk about as Swinging London.
595
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:28,172
Peter Bowleshad quite an important part
596
00:43:28,272 --> 00:43:30,674
as the agent of Hemmings.
597
00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:34,011
And unfortunately,on one key day
598
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:37,681
was very upset becauseMichelangelo had cut
599
00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:43,153
quite a long speech, whichis central to the meaning
600
00:43:43,253 --> 00:43:44,288
of the film, really.
601
00:43:44,355 --> 00:43:46,624
And so he wassaying to the peers,
602
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:48,792
surely this is very important.
603
00:43:48,859 --> 00:43:50,928
You know, surelyI should say this.
604
00:43:50,995 --> 00:43:55,032
And Peter has written veryinterestingly about how
605
00:43:55,132 --> 00:43:59,670
Michelangelo said, I'll tellyou why we have to cut it,
606
00:43:59,770 --> 00:44:02,940
that's because it sayswhat the film's about,
607
00:44:03,007 --> 00:44:06,810
and I prefer people not to betold what the film's about.
608
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,350
The technique of gettingthe actors to do what it was
609
00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:17,688
that he wanted was slightlydifferent with different actors
610
00:44:17,788 --> 00:44:18,822
in different sequences.
611
00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:28,365
The arrival of VanessaRedgrave was very interesting
612
00:44:28,465 --> 00:44:32,136
because she hadn't been partof the film up till that time,
613
00:44:32,202 --> 00:44:38,175
and she was very intelligentin working on Antinuromy.
614
00:44:38,242 --> 00:44:42,746
She was proactivein talking to him
615
00:44:42,846 --> 00:44:48,886
and tried to suck out from himwhat it was that he wanted.
616
00:44:48,986 --> 00:44:51,855
And you could see theintensity of her concentration,
617
00:44:51,922 --> 00:44:55,192
because on the page thecharacter is nothing.
618
00:44:55,259 --> 00:44:57,695
So she couldn'tprepare this character.
619
00:45:02,766 --> 00:45:05,202
She's a Shakespeareanactress, and she
620
00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:07,171
withdrew all of herShakespearean technique
621
00:45:07,237 --> 00:45:13,177
out, and simply existed in frontof the camera in the situation
622
00:45:13,243 --> 00:45:18,015
intensely, vividly, andhad this close relationship
623
00:45:18,082 --> 00:45:20,951
with Antonioni.
624
00:45:21,051 --> 00:45:24,555
Sarah Miles had a...not a very big part.
625
00:45:24,621 --> 00:45:30,094
And I think maybe that wasa bit of a issue for her.
626
00:45:30,194 --> 00:45:32,196
I think also shedidn't get on well
627
00:45:32,262 --> 00:45:33,731
with Michelangelo Antonioni.
628
00:45:33,797 --> 00:45:38,769
So things didn't go very well,and then she got annoyed.
629
00:45:38,869 --> 00:45:40,804
I think she got angry.
630
00:45:40,904 --> 00:45:43,207
The relationship withSarah was an example
631
00:45:43,273 --> 00:45:44,475
of one that did not work.
632
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,744
The relationship withVanessa did work.
633
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,449
With David, it was different.
634
00:45:52,549 --> 00:45:53,951
He was not technical.
635
00:45:54,051 --> 00:45:56,453
He would kind of,I think, give him
636
00:45:56,553 --> 00:45:59,089
guidelines and gethim to improvise,
637
00:45:59,156 --> 00:46:01,325
to feel free and be natural.
638
00:46:04,995 --> 00:46:07,331
One of the most interestingthings about the film for me
639
00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:13,437
was working with David Hemmings,because he was enormous fun.
640
00:46:13,504 --> 00:46:17,841
And he had a Jeep.
641
00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:20,144
I think that he hadbought the Jeep in order
642
00:46:20,244 --> 00:46:23,480
to hire it to the film.
643
00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:25,015
I don't know how muchthey paid him per week,
644
00:46:25,115 --> 00:46:30,587
but it was a veryclever idea on his part.
645
00:46:30,654 --> 00:46:34,525
We borrowed the Jeep onenight and went camping, David
646
00:46:34,625 --> 00:46:38,529
and his girlfriend and I. Wefound a tent, took the Jeep,
647
00:46:38,629 --> 00:46:41,832
drove out of London,slept in the forest,
648
00:46:41,932 --> 00:46:44,101
and drove back in forfilming the next day.
649
00:46:44,168 --> 00:46:46,336
He shouldn't have been allowedto take the Jeep because it's
650
00:46:46,436 --> 00:46:48,472
a prop on the film.
651
00:46:48,539 --> 00:46:51,809
He also occasionallyborrowed the Rolls Royce.
652
00:46:51,875 --> 00:46:54,044
He took me and agirlfriend in the Rolls
653
00:46:54,144 --> 00:46:58,549
Royce up and downthe King's Road.
654
00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:01,685
David was always keento have a good time.
655
00:47:01,785 --> 00:47:05,789
Jeep, Rolls Royce, girls,friend, a good time.
656
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,365
Thefilming actually took place
657
00:47:15,465 --> 00:47:19,336
in the Elstree MGM Studios,which was a great big cabin
658
00:47:19,403 --> 00:47:22,139
of studios, and you walkinto this huge studio,
659
00:47:22,206 --> 00:47:24,408
there in one little cornerright over there that
660
00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:27,344
just is a nightclub set up.
661
00:47:27,411 --> 00:47:29,346
Because the whole place is cold.
662
00:47:29,413 --> 00:47:30,714
They don't haveheating in there.
663
00:47:30,814 --> 00:47:33,517
So to create an atmosphereof warmth and smoke
664
00:47:33,584 --> 00:47:37,154
and all that is reallyvery, very difficult.
665
00:47:37,221 --> 00:47:40,591
I have recently bought asecond guitar to the group.
666
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:42,359
The base player had left.
667
00:47:42,426 --> 00:47:45,996
And Jeff was very keen for JimmyPage to come in and play base.
668
00:47:46,063 --> 00:47:49,433
And I told Jeff, I don'tmind, but he won't play base.
669
00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:50,901
I promise you.
670
00:47:51,001 --> 00:47:53,770
After one day he'll say no,I want to play guitar too.
671
00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:56,707
And I explained to Jeff thathe had to smash his guitar.
672
00:47:56,773 --> 00:47:58,609
He just refused at point blank.
673
00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:00,177
Jeff never smashed a guitar.
674
00:48:00,244 --> 00:48:01,078
He loves his guitar.
675
00:48:01,178 --> 00:48:02,079
They're his children.
676
00:48:02,179 --> 00:48:04,114
He nurses them, he strokes them.
677
00:48:04,214 --> 00:48:07,618
He couldn't believe I wasasking him to smash his guitar.
678
00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:09,119
But eventually he did agree.
679
00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:11,955
We bought a second guitarfrom a cheap guitar.
680
00:48:12,055 --> 00:48:13,790
And I said, we're notgoing to smash the guitar.
681
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:15,125
You just push itthrough the amp.
682
00:48:15,225 --> 00:48:17,628
You break the amp,but with your guitar.
683
00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:19,296
And he tried a fewtimes in rehearsal
684
00:48:19,396 --> 00:48:21,865
and it went quite well,because the amp broke
685
00:48:21,932 --> 00:48:23,934
without the guitar breaking.
686
00:48:24,034 --> 00:48:26,937
And then at the filming,he really got into it.
687
00:48:27,037 --> 00:48:30,107
He didn't really get intoit, but Antonioni called
688
00:48:30,207 --> 00:48:31,208
him out in front of everybody.
689
00:48:31,275 --> 00:48:32,442
He said, Jeff, come on.
690
00:48:32,542 --> 00:48:33,710
We've got to do it.
691
00:48:33,777 --> 00:48:35,245
There was a crowd there,the people filming,
692
00:48:35,312 --> 00:48:37,915
and people wanted to go tolunch and it was Take 38.
693
00:48:37,981 --> 00:48:40,150
So finally, Jeff didn't reallyget angry with the guitar,
694
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:43,086
he got angry at Antonioni,and he took his anger
695
00:48:43,153 --> 00:48:44,221
and smashes the amp.
696
00:48:44,288 --> 00:48:44,988
Ah, cut.
697
00:48:45,088 --> 00:48:45,756
Lovely.
698
00:48:45,822 --> 00:48:46,723
Off to lunch.
699
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:51,828
People often talkas if Yardbirds
700
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,830
was some great influencefrom Antonioni,
701
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:56,934
but it's completely the otherway around, because Antonioni
702
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,468
sort of broke up the Yardbirds.
703
00:48:58,568 --> 00:49:00,570
Therefore, may have beeninstrumental in creating
704
00:49:00,637 --> 00:49:01,772
Led Zeppelin.
705
00:49:01,838 --> 00:49:03,840
So we can put Antonioniinto rock history.
706
00:49:23,327 --> 00:49:25,595
I had a contractfor a certain length of time,
707
00:49:25,662 --> 00:49:28,532
and then I had toleave the film.
708
00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:30,367
And the film overran...
709
00:49:30,467 --> 00:49:32,369
several weeks over.
710
00:49:32,469 --> 00:49:35,539
I didn't know everything,and the script is not
711
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,975
a complete record of the film.
712
00:49:38,041 --> 00:49:40,777
There's stuff in the filmwhich is not in the script,
713
00:49:40,844 --> 00:49:44,214
and the ending is absolutelyone of those things.
714
00:49:44,314 --> 00:49:48,885
So when I saw at thescreening, I saw the ending,
715
00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:50,687
I was quite astonished.
716
00:49:53,857 --> 00:49:57,060
I don't personallythink it's the best
717
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,895
possible ending for that film.
718
00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:01,565
Perhaps there could havebeen another ending.
719
00:50:01,665 --> 00:50:03,367
But there's wonderfulthings in the film,
720
00:50:03,467 --> 00:50:04,968
and it was awonderful experience,
721
00:50:05,035 --> 00:50:11,408
and it was also a very vividpicture of London at that time.
722
00:50:11,508 --> 00:50:13,010
And the fact thatit's by an Italian
723
00:50:13,076 --> 00:50:14,845
makes it even more interesting.
724
00:51:35,492 --> 00:51:37,227
OnceI'd finished the film,
725
00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:39,763
I sort of was ontothe next thing,
726
00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:43,100
and I did have a veryexciting working life.
727
00:51:43,166 --> 00:51:45,168
And I'd sort of put it to bed.
728
00:51:45,268 --> 00:51:47,637
But you know thesethings, if they're good,
729
00:51:47,737 --> 00:51:49,339
they don't go away.
730
00:51:49,439 --> 00:51:51,241
And it's still here.
731
00:51:51,308 --> 00:51:52,409
Still here.
732
00:51:52,476 --> 00:51:55,479
Still being seen andbeing appreciated.
733
00:51:55,579 --> 00:51:59,182
So I just think backand think what a lucky...
734
00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:03,086
lucky I didn't say no,actually, because I nearly did.
735
00:52:03,153 --> 00:52:04,988
Because I thought I'mnot a stupid model.
736
00:52:05,088 --> 00:52:07,457
I don't want toportray a stupid model.
737
00:52:07,524 --> 00:52:08,658
But there we go.
738
00:52:08,758 --> 00:52:10,961
Look at it.
739
00:52:11,027 --> 00:52:12,362
And yeah, very proud of it.68476
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