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My old treasure chest.
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I've a couple of bits
and pieces here.
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This is a...
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This actually is...
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It hasn't been cleaned
for a while,
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'cos I really don't go in here
that often, but...
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It's the "Sports Star
of the Year, 1981, Ireland."
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Look at that.
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And that's 1st place,
Laguna Seca.
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That's disgusting.
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Naked.
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If you didn't make it,
nobody gives a shit.
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That's how I feel now.
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About 20 years ago, yeah,
I would've felt, you know,
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like, "Oh shit, you know,
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those guys screwed me over,
and they did this..."
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[soft tranquil music]
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This album here,
I think my sister
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might have put this one
together for me.
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When I was racing
I didn't think
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I was the best driver
in the world...
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I knew I was the best driver
in the world.
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I remember that suit.
That's one of my first ones.
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I just got...
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I got beat.
I got beat by the system.
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[music intensifies]
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There are lots
of hard luck stories
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in Formula 1.
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Tommy is the defining
case study,
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because there's never been
anybody quite that good,
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who's never made it.
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True talent really stands out.
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We had Senna, Alain Prost,
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Fernando Alonso,
Michael Schumacher.
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And Tommy had the talent
of these guys for sure.
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You know, he just had
that natural feel for a car.
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Tommy Byrne was wild.
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Some of the things that he did
were so unorthodox,
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that only Tommy Byrne
ever could've done it.
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Or will have ever done it.
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The problem is...
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he may have gone just too far.
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[dramatic music]
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What you saw
was what you got with him.
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Some people might think it,
Tommy would say it.
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And I think it hurt
in the top end
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where there's sponsors,
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where there's
major manufacturers involved.
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And they don't want people
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that are a bit wild like that.
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[tires screeching]
He got from nothing...
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to Formula 1
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in little more than 4 years.
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We may never see
a similar story ever again.
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[music mellows]
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We've got it all up.
We're gonna get it tight.
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It's two of us
who used to work up in...
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Here you go, Bert.
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Where did you get
these extra batteries?
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Yeah, he gives them to me,
you take them.
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Hey Sonny!
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We will get going.
My name is Brian Till,
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I'll be your lead instructor
for the day.
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That just means that I talk
more than the other guys do.
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But you got
a great group of guys
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back there in the back.
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Tommy Byrne down at the end.
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Very accomplished
open wheel driver.
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Six, seven...?
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-Seven. -Formula Car championships
over in Europe
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before he came to the United States.
A little time in Formula 1.
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Tommy's been here at the school
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I think since... '93? '94?
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-'95? Something like that.
-'94.
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Twenty one years now!
You've been here what, 22?
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Yeah.
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-Scary!
-Long time. Long time.
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So Tommy and I used to
race together a little bit.
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I crashed Tommy
in Detroit one year.
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-No, you ran into me.
-Did I?
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[laughing]
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Of course my car was broken.
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-Yeah.
-I had to walk back.
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[laughing]
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Through the streets of...
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-the downtown streets of Detroit.
-Through the streets of Detroit.
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-You walked?
-Yeah!
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Here's a guy
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who had come within
a fingertip reach
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of the pinnacle of the sport.
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And it just slid down
the other side of the mountain
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when it just slipped
from his grasp.
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Your job today
in this high-performance school
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is to use 100 percent of the car
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100 percent of the time.
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Drive it like you stole it.
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Some of us ended our careers
on our own terms.
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Tommy didn't.
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But for the longest time,
Tommy went to sleep.
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Woke up...
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and thought, "This isn't fair."
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I should've.
I would've. I could've.
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Good job, P2.
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Mike and Carl on deck!
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To carry that with you...
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when the door closes
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and you're the only person
in the room...
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how loud are those voices?
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[soft somber music]
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Obviously I wasn't
the nicest guy in the world.
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And it's just when
you don't make it,
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people, well, they try to say
"He did this, he did that."
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But you know what?
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I just couldn't have anybody
tell me what to do.
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There are various theories on
Tommy Byrne the racing driver.
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One is that he royally messed up
a potentially great career.
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The other one was that he
wasn't given a fair shot.
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And I think Tommy's truth
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is always somewhere
in that shade of gray
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between those two
extreme viewpoints.
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There were things
in Tommy's character
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and from his background
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that made him
not an easy fit in Formula 1.
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Alex Hurricane' Higgins,
Georgie Best,
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I'd put him
in that kind of mold.
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Just a... a little irreverent,
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and... super talented,
and liked to have a beer.
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The start of the 80's,
the two hot shots
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were Tommy Byrne
and Ayrton Senna.
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Had it not been for Senna
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arriving at around
the same time,
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Tommy's talent
would've been enough
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to carry him through.
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It would've been irresistible.
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And there was
a real anger there,
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in terms of the fact
that motor racing
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takes a lot of money
and a lot of support.
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So if you don't have that,
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it's easy to fall
by the wayside,
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or suddenly your careers
changes direction
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as Tommy's did.
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Obviously
when you're trying to go racing
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and you're completely broke
all the time,
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and you're racing against people
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like Senna and the Brazilians
with all the money,
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and you haven't got a pot
to piss in,
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it does make a difference.
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I mean,
you don't get the same respect.
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People treat you different.
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And I hear this all the time,
I've seen little quotes about
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"Tommy's got a chip
on his shoulder."
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I think anybody would have
a chip on their shoulder
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if they were treated like shit
after they win races.
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So many races.
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I'd win the exact same race
that Senna won.
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I'd win it first,
he'd win it the year after,
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and suddenly,
it's like, you know,
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"Who's Tommy Byrne?"
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And when Senna won,
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it was like
the second coming of Christ.
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And that's just the way
life is, you know.
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People treat you different
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when you're broke
and when you're rich.
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What could I change?
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Be born a millionaire
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with a silver fucking spoon
up my ass.
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[music intensifies]
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Tommy still carries
the cross of the rejection
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from Formula 1, every day.
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He's not the Tommy
he would have been
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had it all panned out
the way he was expecting it to.
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He knows what it could have been
and what it should have been.
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It's a little overgrown
since the last time I was here,
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that's for sure.
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Yep.
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Ah man, look at this.
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There's the trees
my mom planted.
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Shit, they were like...
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they were a couple of feet tall.
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So, I used to ride my motorcycle
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all the way through
here at night
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when I'd come home
at 15 years of age.
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Drive through there,
drive all the way through here,
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drive up, and drive in the door.
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I just couldn't control myself
with speed.
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I had to be flat-out everywhere.
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And I worked at the gas station
across the road,
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everybody was talking about the
day they would go there,
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and I wouldn't be there anymore
because I'd be dead.
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Because everywhere that I went,
I was flying.
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Flying down the roads.
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Flat-out.
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Couldn't slow down.
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That's what happens when you're born
in the back of the car
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on the way to the hospital.
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[somber music resumes]
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โช Far across the foam โช
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โช All though
I've often left it โช
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โช In foreign lands to roam โช
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"Tommy is still in trouble."
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Tommy Byrne away
to a flying start.
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Born special.
Born a special way.
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[laughing]
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Three firsts for Irish.
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Sports star of the week.
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Oh, man, I was....
I was out of control.
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I feel bad now, obviously,
you know, you feel bad...
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Because I have my own kids.
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Whatever chance they had
of controlling me when I was...
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nine or ten or eleven,
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they had no chance at all
when I was 15, 16 years of age.
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I just didn't...
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I just didn't listen.
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This house now...
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I just...
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I just don't want to be here,
actually.
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To be honest, you know...
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It's just... it's in the past.
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I had a time here,
I grew up in this house.
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Mom and dad, sisters,
everybody was here.
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But now it's, you know,
it's just...
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Time to move on!
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When he was a child,
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he was a nuisance
to everybody around him.
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-How's it's going, Maurice?
-I'm humbled, I'm humbled.
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-How's it going?
-Very good.
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Now I thought
he was a little...
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bastard at that stage.
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He was just a little brat.
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You didn't happen to bring back
that part of fancy of boots
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I gave you that time,
because I'm still waiting on.
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-You use them often? -I haven't
used them for a while,
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but I do like the boots, yeah.
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I do have to wear a couple
of pairs of socks with them.
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Do you wear it with the jacket?
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I forgot about the jacket.
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[laughing]
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Tommy would have had
a rough childhood
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brought on mainly by himself,
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by his attitude
and by the way
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he carried on, and...
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no law was written
for Tommy Byrne.
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He never changed
what he was like
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when he was 11
or 12 years of age.
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He just had
that cockiness in him
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that he would have to do it
his own way.
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You see, that's really
as little as I thought of you
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over the last number of years,
Tommy.
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They're up there.
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-Thanks, Maurice.
-Among all the...
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Here, show me...
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show me what you've got there.
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Oh, look at that one.
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-That's the, ah... -That would be quite
an important one.
257
00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,360
Is that
the British Grand Prix one?
258
00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:44,760
-That's the British Grand Prix one.
-Holy smokes.
259
00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,080
Look at that, huh?
What else have you got?
260
00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:48,440
Yeah, that one there...
261
00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:51,120
I think that's one
of those European ones.
262
00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,640
-Is this it?
-I think so.
263
00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,400
This is the P&O Ferries
Formula Ford 1600.
264
00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,000
This is the championship one,
Maurice.
265
00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,000
Cor, You think it would be maybe
266
00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,760
a little bit looked
after better than that.
267
00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,080
-Well, look at this. -You didn't even
know where they were Tommy.
268
00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,200
No, I didn't,
you're right.
269
00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:09,440
I think
that's an old shell from
270
00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,960
World War II or something.
271
00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,880
But they've been
lying up there for...
272
00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,280
many years.
273
00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,160
-Maurice...
-Yes?
274
00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,880
These could probably
clean up pretty good, I'll bet.
275
00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,040
It's the same in my own house
back in Florida, the same thing.
276
00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,520
-You tell me.
-Trophies in boxes.
277
00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,120
-Look at that.
-See if you can--
278
00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,400
See if you can clean that one.
279
00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,440
When your fan club
was...
280
00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,120
Yep! Remember that?
281
00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,000
We had the annual
Tommy Byrne Dinner Dance
282
00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,840
to make me money,
and I think I earned...
283
00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,920
I think I earned, like... ยฃ300.
284
00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,200
That was as much money
that was collected
285
00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,960
for that one particular dance.
286
00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,440
Enough money
to get me some clothes.
287
00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,520
-We needed $300,000.
-Yes!
288
00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:45,800
It was a lot of work for me
289
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,600
because I couldn't
even enjoy myself,
290
00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,040
because I had to talk
to everybody.
291
00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,680
Yeah.
292
00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,560
and by the time it was all over
and I was ready to...
293
00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,840
you know, get shit faced...
294
00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,560
-It was too late.
-And you had to put...
295
00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,040
the Dundalk accent
back on again.
296
00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,480
or they would
have all called you an asshole.
297
00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:00,440
I had to put...
Yeah, the accent.
298
00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,280
-Yeah.
-Yeah. Alright, yeah.
299
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[hooting]
300
00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,240
[cars racing]
301
00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,760
[dramatic music]
302
00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,920
These little tracks here,
this is where it all started.
303
00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,480
Yeah, I worked for free,
fixing a Mini Stock car.
304
00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,680
It's been 40 years ago,
305
00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,320
because I loved being involved.
306
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,160
And I would look forward
as a mechanic
307
00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,760
to take it out for the race.
308
00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,960
Then you drive it back
and park it there,
309
00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,880
and this is what I used to look
forward to for the whole week.
310
00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,240
[tires screeching]
311
00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,320
There's something
about the speed,
312
00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,360
it's addictive.
313
00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,920
The smell, the noise...
314
00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,800
it gets in your...
315
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,880
It kind of does
get in your blood.
316
00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,680
It's just one of those things.
317
00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,840
Just stick the needle in,
you know, and it just...
318
00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,200
you know, keep on pushing.
319
00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,200
[bashing]
320
00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,000
[cheering]
321
00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:05,840
Yay!
322
00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,880
I'm more comfortable here,
323
00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,840
watching these little racers,
324
00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,040
than I would be watching
a Formula 1 race,
325
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,920
or even at a Formula 1 race.
326
00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,160
It's pretentious,
it's full of a bunch of...
327
00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,640
fake people,
328
00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,680
and I never really liked it
in the first place.
329
00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,520
And of course,
I'm much more comfortable here.
330
00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,240
It's just, maybe...
331
00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,920
It doesn't get much better
than that!
332
00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,640
I would say 99%
of the people here
333
00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,320
driving at this track tonight
334
00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,840
are probably here having fun.
335
00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,080
And that maybe
there's 1% out there
336
00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,280
might be trying to make it
big time in racing.
337
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,520
Because remember, there's very
few people in the world
338
00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,480
who actually make money racing.
339
00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,480
I left school
at 15 years of age.
340
00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,080
The first real job I got
was in the factory in town.
341
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,840
And I was going to be
a mechanic.
342
00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,360
My partner
343
00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,040
that I was apprenticing for
nicknamed me "foot-and-a-half,"
344
00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,160
because I was really,
really small at the time.
345
00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,120
So he nicknamed me
"foot-and-a-half," and...
346
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,800
All you could hear
in that whole big shop was:
347
00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,320
"foot-and-a-half,
foot-and-a-half!"
348
00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,440
Because I was always gone somewhere,
doing something.
349
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,840
Probably pilfering something.
350
00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,160
We didn't call it stealing,
we called it pilfering.
351
00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,440
But I just loved pilfering
more than anybody else,
352
00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,520
I just loved to take shit.
353
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,600
I would wrap stuff around me,
354
00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:30,720
underneath my overalls, and...
355
00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,280
take something home everyday.
356
00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,440
I just loved it.
357
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,680
I just loved taking shit,
you know? Like...
358
00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,000
Sometimes you took it
because you need it,
359
00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,800
and sometimes you took it just because,
just for the hell of it.
360
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,240
But I eventually did get caught,
361
00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,040
so I went to court
and got fined.
362
00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,920
Put on probation or whatever
the case would've been.
363
00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,880
So I could have for sure
went down the wrong path
364
00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,320
if I didn't start racing.
365
00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:54,840
I knew that's what
I wanted to do,
366
00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,040
I wanted to be
a race car driver.
367
00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,960
My first Formula Ford car,
my mom had told the bank manager
368
00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,120
that my sister Margaret
was pregnant and...
369
00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,160
and we had to put
an extension on the house.
370
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,080
And I stood behind my mother
telling her what to say.
371
00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,120
And I think it was ยฃ1250.
372
00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,360
It was a lot of money!
It was a loan!
373
00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,440
We just didn't put
the extension on the house.
374
00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,120
So, it was only small lies.
375
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,200
But I got my car!
376
00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,400
When he came
on the scene at Mondello,
377
00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,640
I was quite surprised.
378
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,200
Here was this small guy.
379
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,800
Very cocky.
380
00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,120
No one could quite
understand him,
381
00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,360
he spoke so quickly,
382
00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680
and he had a very pronounced
Dundalk accent.
383
00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,440
I wouldn't say he was like
a fish out of water, but...
384
00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,800
he came from a background
385
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,200
that normally motor-racing people
wouldn't be part of.
386
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,360
So he was a big surprise
387
00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:51,800
to that element.
388
00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,760
Tommy's face,
his personality, his background
389
00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880
was always going to be
a difficult fit.
390
00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,280
It's a very elitist sport,
391
00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,960
whereas... Tommy was...
392
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,160
from a very, very poor
working-class background.
393
00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,880
And so the odds
of him succeeding
394
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,600
were very slim.
395
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,080
In 77 was when
I went to Mondello,
396
00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,080
and I had no idea
what I was doing.
397
00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,520
And I wouldn't listen
to anybody.
398
00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:20,960
I thought if smoke
wasn't coming off
399
00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,280
all four tires,
I wasn't doing it right.
400
00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,640
There was this kid
that looked like a 13 year old
401
00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,240
that fell out
of the back of a bus.
402
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,800
And he was just flinging
the car around
403
00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,080
with complete abandon.
404
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,880
And I thought,
405
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,640
"This kid is good,
this kid is exceptional."
406
00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,240
I had a bunch of friends
all coming together, all...
407
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,240
"Oh here we go, this is going to be
a new adventure."
408
00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,120
And it was. Just...
409
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,680
rednecks,
out of sync with everything.
410
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:47,800
But I figured
I was passing cars,
411
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,280
so I must be doing
something right.
412
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,320
It turns out
they were just scared
413
00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,040
because a crazy bastard's
coming up behind them,
414
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,480
and he's either
going to run into them or not,
415
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,720
so they would just let me by.
416
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,240
But I learned my craft
by crashing.
417
00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,400
I crashed all year in that car.
418
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,480
That car was always coming home
in more than one piece.
419
00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,280
It left in one piece
420
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,280
and came home in two,
three, sometimes...
421
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,400
50 pieces.
422
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,080
And my mom, she'd come out
and take a look at it
423
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,200
and she'd go...
424
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,000
"When are you going to quit
this nonsense
425
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,200
and get a real job?"
426
00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,720
And then I'd just be
completely depressed...
427
00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,680
go to bed...
428
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:21,960
wake up next morning
429
00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,360
with a completely
different attitude,
430
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,520
and start again.
431
00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:29,680
[soft mellow music]
432
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,240
At that time
Bernard Devaney, Derek Daly,
433
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,480
David Kennedy and Eddie Jordan
were all in England.
434
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,280
So I read about those guys
435
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,280
and I'd seen pictures of them,
so obviously I was thinking,
436
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,760
"Well if they can do it,
then I can do it."
437
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,200
So I left Ireland
at the end of '78,
438
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,400
and that was it.
439
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,920
Never to look back.
440
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,200
The kid that came over
from Ireland to England in '78,
441
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,160
was raw, ragamuffin... chancer.
442
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760
Full of hope, massive talent,
443
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,240
total self-belief,
but that was all he had.
444
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,160
My first year away from home,
445
00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,760
and I had a pretty rough
first half of the year,
446
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,880
that's when
I was very nervous a lot
447
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,480
because I didn't win a race.
448
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,200
And we qualify at nine
in the morning
449
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,160
and wouldn't race
until five o'clock that night.
450
00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,160
So all that time no eating,
no nothing, just nerves.
451
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,320
Sick to my stomach.
452
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,920
That went on for 20 races.
453
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,320
And eventually I won the
race in Nรผrburgring,
454
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,320
so that's when I knew I was as good
as I thought I was.
455
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,160
And ever since that day,
456
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,240
I never, ever felt
sick to my stomach again,
457
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,880
It was just fun.
458
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,800
For over ten years
Formula Ford
459
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,480
has been the essential
first rung of the ladder to fame
460
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,040
in single seater racing.
461
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,480
Formula 1 drivers
462
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,160
like James Hunt
and Emerson Fittipaldi
463
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,880
started racing
at the wheel of a Formula Ford,
464
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,240
which has turned Formula Ford
into a proving ground
465
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,720
for future world champions.
466
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,760
So, the way
the junior categories work
467
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,480
is that you have
professional teams
468
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,720
building the cars,
creating the cars,
469
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,040
fielding the cars.
470
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,280
That all costs money.
471
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,200
By and large, the teams
472
00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,000
don't go and get drivers.
473
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,960
What happens is
the drivers bring the money
474
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:11,560
to the teams to run them.
475
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,560
Whether that's
commercial sponsorship,
476
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,080
or family money, or whatever,
477
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,520
it's that that sustains
the junior categories
478
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,680
in motor racing.
479
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,520
It's very, very rare
that anyone
480
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,960
gets a drive for free,
481
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,800
but Tommy managed
to get a drive for free.
482
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,120
Ralph Firman
started his own firm,
483
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,640
Van Diemen, in the early '70s.
484
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,240
Van Diemen has won
485
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,280
every major Formula Ford
championship
486
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,880
in England since 1977,
487
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,360
and for that you need
drivers with talent and nerve.
488
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080
If we feel that we haven't
got such a driver,
489
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,880
then we will sponsor
one ourselves.
490
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,480
Van Diemen have been
very successful
491
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,240
over the years because...
492
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,080
A: Ralph picks winners.
493
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:54,960
And B: He didn't want
that winner
494
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,920
in someone else's car,
495
00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,120
so he certainly recognized
Tommy's talents early.
496
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,480
He knew Tommy
didn't have any money,
497
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,600
so you could hardly
ask him for money.
498
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,120
If he wanted him in the car,
499
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,360
he was going to have to give him
the drive for free.
500
00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,040
[car racing past]
501
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,920
Michelle is cooking
for the team,
502
00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:16,080
she's the best cook
on the circuit.
503
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,600
This is
the grassroots, really,
504
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,320
of where it all starts
in motor racing, isn't it?
505
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,560
For youngsters1
506
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,080
Formula Ford 1600, club racing.
507
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,040
And it's all very much,
I suppose,
508
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,320
It's... you know,
it's a nice family...
509
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,320
I suppose, thing, too.
510
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,800
-We didn't have these motor homes.
-No.
511
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,200
And you can see some
of the pictures,
512
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,880
you know, we were in the dirt.
513
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,920
I love Cliff Dempsey Racing,
because he's old school.
514
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:41,120
Reminds me...
more like Ralph Firman,
515
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,240
all those years ago.
516
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,120
He just doesn't put up
with any shit.
517
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,320
And he knows how
to take fast drivers,
518
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,080
he's the guy
you want to be with.
519
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,880
You put up
with a lot with a quick driver
520
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,080
on his faults
because he's quick.
521
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,600
He may not have
all the things you want,
522
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,400
but if he's quick,
you put up with it.
523
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,400
You mean he may not have all the things
you want out of the car?
524
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,200
-Exactly.
-But in the cockpit.
525
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,880
-He's fast. -When he's everything,
you put up with it.
526
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,760
Really good
for the first section.
527
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,200
Then we go into
the first chicane,
528
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,560
bend really good through there,
you bleed in the speeder.
529
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,360
Back in your day
530
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,240
you had to actually
use your brain
531
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,480
to drive a race car,
532
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,080
now the guys
don't have to do that.
533
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,400
-That's the problem. -I had all
that stuff in my head.
534
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,680
They don't have to think
as much anymore...
535
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,360
-Because of...
-Because of data.
536
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,680
And coming and running
with professional teams,
537
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,600
It's not really...
Daddy's paying the money,
538
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,520
it doesn't really matter
if they don't get a result.
539
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,120
-Exactly.
-You know,
540
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,520
they'll come back the next day
and they'll be racing anyway.
541
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,960
Whereas when you raced...
542
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,640
if you didn't get a result,
543
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,880
you weren't out
the next weekend.
544
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,600
And what's the chances Cliff
545
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,400
of a young kid today
getting into F1?
546
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,000
Very slim, I think.
547
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,440
To be honest, I think, you know,
548
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,080
We can kid ourselves
and say
549
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,920
"Yeah, you have a chance,"
but I think it's very slim,
550
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,440
but there are exceptions
to every rule.
551
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,920
[melodic music]
552
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,000
And there
is the man to watch.
553
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,560
It is 21 year old Tommy Byrne
from Dundalk in Ireland,
554
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,080
who has already won
555
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,320
three Formula Ford
races this year.
556
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,240
When he came from Ireland,
557
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,800
initially he was quick
in the Formula Ford car,
558
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,680
like lightning-quick.
559
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,600
Tommy Byrne
is in a class of his own
560
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,160
in Formula Ford
racing this year.
561
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,120
A string of wins,
562
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,760
he just has to get into the car
and he seems to be on his own.
563
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,040
And in Formula Ford that is...
564
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,360
That was quite impressive
565
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,240
for a guy straight over
from a regional championship
566
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,240
to be at that level immediately.
567
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,480
He was winning
national Formula Ford races.
568
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,200
Formula Ford
championship race here...
569
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,920
I could learn
tracks very fast.
570
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,840
I was pretty good at reading
571
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,760
how good the other guys were,
and how good I was.
572
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,840
I just knew I had
something different.
573
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,240
He instinctively
knew what to do.
574
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,200
He would get the best
out of the car
575
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,840
no matter what it was doing.
576
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,520
Tommy was the only person
that I knew
577
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,760
that was working
on his own car.
578
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,600
He had no other support.
579
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,640
Everybody else was coming over,
paying for a ride,
580
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,680
expecting to get
a full-time mechanic on the car.
581
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,800
Tommy was his own mechanic
582
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,320
and then getting
in the car and racing.
583
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,840
He did things with the car
that you just...
584
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,240
they weren't possible, you know,
585
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,960
I know about racing cars,
I watch racing cars,
586
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,600
and you watched this car
going round the track
587
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,560
with this bloke in it,
588
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,000
and he... just...
589
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,200
that shouldn't be possible.
590
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560
Byrne has won race
after race this year.
591
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,920
He has really stamped his mark
on Formula Ford racing.
592
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,560
It was
quite clear he had speed,
593
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,880
and he didn't succumb to any pressure,
that's for sure.
594
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,280
So that confidence
went into the car.
595
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,160
It wasn't a fake, showy thing,
he just had that self-belief.
596
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,160
Jumped in the car,
delivered and won
597
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960
the Championship.
598
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,440
There, appropriately enough,
is brilliant Tommy Byrne,
599
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,200
the 1980 P&O Ferries
600
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,440
and RAC Formula Ford
Championships
601
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,040
champion of 1980.
602
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,600
Tommy arrived in the UK
603
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,480
as a fully formed rebel,
604
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,960
You know, you said,
"Rough around the edges,"
605
00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,200
he was all edge.
606
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,000
And you knew
he was going to go places
607
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,800
because of his
prodigious talent.
608
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,160
You just didn't know how high
that elevator was going to go
609
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,680
because of his personality.
610
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,960
Would be...
611
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,760
You could see that it would be
a limiting factor.
612
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,280
He lived off everybody
and he could smile doing it.
613
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,840
He'd order a meal
in a restaurant
614
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,360
long before he'd tell you,
615
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,080
"I've no money,
will you pay for that?"
616
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,640
He had no place to stay.
617
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,000
He had no car.
He had no money for petrol
618
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,720
He had no money for food.
619
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,480
How could you make a living
620
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,760
unless you're supported
by family and friends?
621
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,840
The family wasn't
in a position to support him.
622
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880
So... he was dependent
on the goodwill of others.
623
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,440
We'd go maybe out
and have a few beers,
624
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,240
and he'd get up the next morning
625
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,880
and you'd see him walking around
with a pair of trousers
626
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,280
that you knew were yours.
627
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,880
You need to get your jacket.
628
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,160
That's going to be
the first thing you need.
629
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,280
Jacket's down in the truck.
630
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,840
Tommy loved a drink.
631
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,800
He'd get himself into trouble
now and again,
632
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,520
but that was Tommy.
633
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,200
People wanted to be part
of Tommy's world.
634
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,560
You'd be out in a bar somewhere
635
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,960
and a girl would be drunk
and say,
636
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,480
"Tommy, you're so handsome,"
and he'd say,
637
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,600
"There's no way I'm handsome.
638
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,920
I might be cute,
but I'm certainly not handsome."
639
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,920
There was something
that Tommy had
640
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,120
which enabled him to,
on the one hand,
641
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,760
be blindingly quick,
642
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,520
but he also had,
on the other hand,
643
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,200
another God-given gift,
644
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,160
for which if there was
a gold medal for shagging,
645
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,320
he'd have won it time
and time again.
646
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,160
As well as the driving
on a Sunday morning,
647
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,400
you had to do the partying
on a Saturday night.
648
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,720
Girls and parties,
649
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,400
that was all part
of the rollercoaster.
650
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,040
He spent more time with girls
651
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,720
when other men
were sitting at home studying
652
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,800
every corner
and ever gear change
653
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
that they had done
on their day's practice,
654
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Tommy was out
that night to see...
655
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,880
could he get a girl? Maybe two.
656
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,640
You didn't get stability
with Tommy Byrne,
657
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640
you got chaos, confusion.
658
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,920
Fun...
659
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,760
the best fun you could imagine,
but chaos.
660
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,040
I acted
a little bit different than...
661
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,520
the other guys
getting in the car.
662
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:15,680
I would just get excited,
like I was high or something.
663
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,440
I'd just go, "da-da-da-da-da-da"
664
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560
And people just talk,
"What the heck is he doing?
665
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,840
He's like all over the place."
666
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,080
I could jump in the car
last minute
667
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,360
and still win the race.
668
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,000
[invigorating music]
669
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,680
Some people
were frightened of him,
670
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,880
of what he could do.
671
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,600
It was the way
he walked through the paddock,
672
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,640
it was the way...
673
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,200
He had a very quick step,
674
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,080
and everything about him
was bang, bang, bang.
675
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,600
As a young driver
you don't show any weakness,
676
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,040
if you show weakness,
you're fucked.
677
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,920
Put the fear of God in them,
so they know that...
678
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,480
if they come up
behind Tommy Byrne,
679
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,880
it's going to be a problem
getting by.
680
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,960
And if Tommy Byrne
comes up behind them,
681
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,240
they're in trouble,
they better pull over.
682
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,360
That's just the way it is.
683
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,040
The persona he projected
to the outside world
684
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,560
was of "I'm the best.
685
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,520
I'm the bollocks."
686
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,000
That obviously...
687
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,800
rubbed some people up
the wrong way,
688
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,040
but that was just his persona,
that was how he was.
689
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,280
He absolutely believed
690
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,960
that he was the best driver
in the world.
691
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,160
Ralph Firman's
eagle-eyed talent-spotting
692
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,360
produced Brazilian
Ayrton da Silva.
693
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,640
Now the motor-racing world
is tipping him
694
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,640
as a future world champion.
695
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,640
With the case
of Ayrton and Tommy,
696
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,680
they couldn't have been
from more different backgrounds.
697
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,520
One was a millionaire's son,
698
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720
with all the social graces
699
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000
that come from
a privileged background,
700
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,840
very at ease in that world.
701
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,400
Whereas...
702
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,720
Tommy came over
from Ireland with nothing.
703
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,520
[tranquil music]
704
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,080
[racing car revving]
705
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,720
[fast paced music]
706
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,240
For '81, I was...
707
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Senna's mechanic
in the Formula Ford,
708
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,160
working at Van Diemen still.
709
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,320
And then I go home
and I was living with Tommy.
710
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,880
So they both had very,
very good seasons.
711
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,600
But Senna always had
his eye on him.
712
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,080
I'm not going to say
he was afraid of Tommy,
713
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,880
he was afraid that he wasn't going to do
as well
714
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,680
as Tommy had done
the year before.
715
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,680
In 1981, he had
these two junior categories.
716
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,360
The entry level,
which is Ford 1600,
717
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,720
which was what Senna was doing.
718
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,000
And he was blitzing
the opposition there.
719
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,440
Also operating
from the Van Diemen factory,
720
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,480
Tommy was doing the same
in the next category up,
721
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,640
which was Ford 2000.
722
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,480
He won
the two major championships.
723
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,800
There's a British Championship
724
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,400
and there's
a European Championship,
725
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,960
and he blitzed them both.
726
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,960
Ayrton would come along and do
the exact same thing
727
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,840
one year later.
728
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,440
It's unusual that you get
729
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400
two talents of that caliber
come along at the same time.
730
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,040
They don't normally come
along like that.
731
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120
And that was...
was a problem for both of them.
732
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,240
Senna's nickname
was "Fast Man"
733
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,120
because Ralph would talk about,
734
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,760
"There's a fast guy
coming from Brazil."
735
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,880
That's what pissed me off,
736
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,280
because they should have
been talking about...
737
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,320
I was a fast man, too.
738
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,120
You know?
739
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560
I don't think I got
the same respect that...
740
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,040
the guys with the money got,
741
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,200
because, you know,
742
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,800
people can smell
when you're broke.
743
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,200
They just...
they just know it, you know.
744
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,800
They just smell it,
and they know.
745
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,080
And they just want
to fuck with you,
746
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,400
and want to treat you
a little bit different.
747
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,960
But nobody messes
with people with money.
748
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,840
You're just...
you're coming over,
749
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,440
you're paying,
you better do like you're asked.
750
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,280
How much money
do you need
751
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,560
to find every year?
752
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,320
Well, in '81,
I would say
753
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,200
around ยฃ20,000, ยฃ30,000,
754
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,080
which is always
very difficult to get,
755
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,600
even with good results,
756
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,720
wins and, you know, records,
757
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,280
it's very difficult
to get sponsorship.
758
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,520
It caused
759
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,960
particular resentment
from Ayrton Senna,
760
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,440
who was bringing
significant backing
761
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,280
to Van Diemen,
762
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,640
that Tommy was just hopping
from one free drive to the next,
763
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800
and just sort of skipping
up the ladder,
764
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,520
seemingly for free.
765
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,600
Senna didn't like the way
I conducted myself.
766
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,640
'Cause we were driving
for the same team.
767
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,480
He was doing everything right.
768
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,640
I was cocky, he was arrogant.
769
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,280
That was his personality.
770
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,720
He must have had long weeks.
771
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,880
at least I was out having fun
during my week waiting to race.
772
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Oh we didn't hit each other,
until...
773
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,200
The festival,
when I drove his car.
774
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,240
After that,
that's when it went wrong.
775
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,560
We move to Brands Hatch
776
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,720
for the most important
Formula Ford event
777
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,480
anywhere in the world.
778
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720
The Marlboro
Formula Ford Festival
779
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,960
and Formula Ford World Cup.
780
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Before the festival,
781
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Senna announced he was retiring
from motor racing
782
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,360
and he was going to go
back home to Brazil.
783
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,960
And that was it.
784
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,800
He said he was disenchanted
with a sport,
785
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,200
that required drivers to pay,
786
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,640
and I'm sure
787
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,840
Tommy getting
his drives for free
788
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,520
initiated that niggle in him.
789
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,400
Ralph at Van Diemen
was left in a bit of a spot.
790
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,160
He needed,
791
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,720
for the good of the company,
to win that festival.
792
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,120
So he called Tommy up and said,
793
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,120
"Can you come
and win the festival for me?"
794
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,040
And Tommy being Tommy,
said, "Yeah, 'course I can."
795
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,640
And did... in Ayrton's own car.
796
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,360
I won 100 bottles
of champagne,
797
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,040
and I got...
798
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,640
50 of them from Ralph
after arguing with him,
799
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,480
I tried to tell him
I needed 100 because I won them.
800
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,680
He says, "It's my car."
I say, "It's my win."
801
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,400
So we ended up with 50 each,
802
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,240
and I did exactly
what I wanted to do.
803
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,960
I wanted to spray
the shit everywhere
804
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,880
and just waste it...
and that's we did.
805
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360
And drank as much as we needed
to get drunk.
806
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,160
That created
an opportunity
807
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,120
for Tommy to progress
to Formula 3,
808
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440
that he probably
wouldn't have got otherwise.
809
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,440
An opportunity that Senna
was originally going to have.
810
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,800
So Ayrton had inadvertently
811
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,960
created an opportunity for Tommy
812
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,280
that actually hurt Ayrton,
813
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,880
because it spoiled his plans
for doing F3
814
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,680
the following season.
815
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,160
After the festival,
816
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,160
I was still living
up in Norfolk at the time,
817
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,240
and Senna's car
818
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,560
was sitting there
from the year before,
819
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,760
after he left it there.
820
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,800
And my car would get punctured
every now and then.
821
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,080
So instead of fixing
the puncture,
822
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,880
I'd just take my wheel
off my car
823
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,160
and swap it with Senna's car
that was sitting there.
824
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,320
I guess he came back in 1982.
825
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,600
He wasn't supposed to come back,
he was supposed to retire.
826
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,120
But he came back
and he just burst in there,
827
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680
and started screaming at me
for stealing his wheels.
828
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,600
"You fucking Irish thief,"
and screaming and shouting,
829
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,160
and I'm screaming
and shouting back at him.
830
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,080
We didn't come to blows
831
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,400
because somebody came in
and stopped it,
832
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,680
but he was very, very angry.
833
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,920
If Senna didn't go home,
my career would have been done.
834
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Two championships, I probably wouldn't have
got Formula 3.
835
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,160
So I just got lucky, I guess.
836
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,800
That's the racing car show,
837
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,120
back in the day
when everyone smoked everywhere.
838
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,680
[chuckle]
839
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Looked a little
young there, huh?
840
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,120
That's when you had teeth, too.
841
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Except they're not chipped!
842
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,000
Quite a lot of new teeth
over the years.
843
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,240
"Tommy's gone to lunch,
back at two."
844
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,680
Wow, I was actually
signing some stuff.
845
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Actually looks
like I was famous.
846
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,440
That's me there.
There you are.
847
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,760
Where's that, Tip Top?
848
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Well yeah,
but we were buying our beer
849
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000
from the Crystal bar next door
850
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,800
-cos it was about a third of the price.
-Ah really?
851
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,600
-Do you remember that?
-No.
852
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,760
That's one I thought
you would have wanted to keep.
853
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,240
Wow, Formula Ford Festival,
Brands Hatch, 1981, first place.
854
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,280
When did I give you that?
855
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,080
Well you didn't give it to me,
856
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,880
you asked me
to look after it indefinitely.
857
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Somebody's been keeping it
nice and polished.
858
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Not like some of my
other friends I give them to.
859
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,280
Did you not
go in all the way
860
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,240
in the English game
and Irish racing game
861
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,160
when somebody wins, it's like,
862
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,680
"Fuck, yeah he might be fast,
but he's a bollocks."
863
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,360
Were you thinking that?
864
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,880
I hadn't formed an opinion,
that would have been stupid
865
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,640
because I had never met you,
but...
866
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,600
the preconceived opinion
that a lot of people had
867
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,320
because of... people talking,
racing, obviously,
868
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,840
was that you were
a really cocky,
869
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,800
up-yourself twat.
870
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,880
Yep, exactly.
871
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,160
But we got on straight away.
872
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,720
Exactly,
because you're exactly the same!
873
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,880
[laughing]
874
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:10,760
Why thank you.
875
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Years later,
I did think to myself,
876
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,720
"Maybe I should have kept some
of those important trophies.
877
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,840
And maybe I should have kept
some of the helmets,
878
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,520
just for my kids,
if nothing else, you know."
879
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,160
But thanks Stuart, that's great,
880
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,680
at least it's good to see it,
it brings back memories.
881
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Oh, shit Stuart, look there.
882
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,080
That's my old car. Holy smoke.
883
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,480
-Hey, guys, what's up?
-Haven't seen that for a while.
884
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Hey, Tom, how's it going, buddy?
885
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,840
-Nice to meet you.
-How long have you had that?
886
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,120
I think we've had it
four years now.
887
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,800
You got my name on it.
Look at that.
888
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,680
[vibrant music]
889
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,280
I think I had a nicest seat.
890
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,400
It's, ah... Yeah, it's, ah...
I'm probably a...
891
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,360
couple of pounds heavier
than you were back in the day.
892
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,840
Back in the day,
893
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,320
I was like Mick Jagger,
I was like tiny!
894
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,200
Formula 3 would be
the last step,
895
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,400
at the time, before Formula 1.
896
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,640
It was where the F1 team owners
and team sponsors
897
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,600
were all looking
for the next talent.
898
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,320
Oh, that's truth,
I'm looking forward to this.
899
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,160
[revving]
900
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,520
My thought in 1982 was,
901
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600
because I was struggling
for money,
902
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,760
"I need to just blitz
these guys.
903
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,760
I need to beat them
so bad that...
904
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,880
it's not just good enough
winning the race,
905
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,080
I need to win by a mile,
906
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,400
so it'll be easy
to get the money
907
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,720
to get into Formula 1."
908
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,240
Winning just wasn't good enough.
909
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,840
I had to show them
how great I was.
910
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,200
[exhilarating music]
911
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,120
Tommy Byrne knows
this race is his now.
912
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,080
Tommy Byrne wins
the Marlboro Formula Ford...
913
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,960
So that's what he did,
he dominated the early races.
914
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080
This man heading for a 33-point lead
in the championship.
915
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,640
Tommy stepped up
with Murray Taylor,
916
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,480
who was running
a Formula 3 Team at the time,
917
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,360
and this was a category
in which
918
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,880
the budgets were much higher.
919
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,120
For someone
in Tommy's circumstances,
920
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,840
the prize money
for winning each race
921
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,320
would fund the following race.
922
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,880
So he absolutely had to win
those early races.
923
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,240
Literally, the prize money was
924
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,120
keeping the team's head
above the water.
925
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800
That's an unusually intense
degree of pressure.
926
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,480
The fact that
Tommy kept winning
927
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,200
and leading the championship
928
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,200
really gave Murray Taylor
no option
929
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,400
but to keep supporting him,
930
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,840
finding the money from somewhere
931
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,240
to get the car back
to the race track
932
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,480
for the next weekend.
933
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,680
Everybody was running round
looking for money,
934
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,040
but we never got any money.
935
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,800
Yeah, a couple of grand
here and there.
936
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,400
But Murray got some money
from Shell,
937
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,160
and then he got some
from General Electric.
938
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,160
Murray, so many
different times, says,
939
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,600
"Tom, we can't move,
940
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,760
we can't go on from here,
we need to get money."
941
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,920
[revving]
942
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,920
Now, when I was going
round Dundalk,
943
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320
getting ยฃ200 off somebody,
944
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,880
and ยฃ300 off somebody
for Tommy to go racing,
945
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640
those figures were going from
a few hundred quid
946
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,040
to the level, eventually,
947
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:09,040
where he was being asked
for 100,000, 200,000.
948
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Then reality started to kick in.
949
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,920
When Murray Taylor
was trying to keep that
950
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,920
championship challenge going,
951
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
he had the idea he could get
952
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,040
Ron Dennis at McLaren
953
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,400
to underwrite
the cost of the Formula 3 season
954
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,040
in exchange for first call
on Tommy's future services.
955
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,960
You would speculate
956
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,720
McLaren would probably
have found
957
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Tommy's raw speed and potential,
958
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,280
vast potential... irresistible.
959
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,200
Ron wanted to know about
my father, where he worked,
960
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,080
where my mom worked, which I thought
was kind of strange,
961
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,600
because I didn't really see what
that had to do with anything.
962
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,880
I told him my dad who worked
in a factory for 40 years,
963
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,040
and he got a watch
at the end of it.
964
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,640
Hopefully I won't have a watch
965
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,040
at the end of what I'm going to
do in my life.
966
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,400
I just remember
at the end I asked him,
967
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,280
"Does McLaren have any money
to help me out at all?"
968
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,520
And Ron goes, "Well Tommy...
969
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,360
all our money is tied up
in R & D at the moment."
970
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,200
I said, "What's R & D?"
971
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,960
And he just looked at me
like I was an idiot.
972
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,720
And so that kind of,
you know...
973
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,080
was pretty embarrassing for me.
974
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,000
I mean, I wasn't a dick to him,
975
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,160
I just came across
as pretty uneducated.
976
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,680
And cocky,
probably a little bit, too.
977
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,320
Although Tommy had
all the prerequisite...
978
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,480
qualities you need in the car,
979
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,800
his... rough edges
were the opposite
980
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,880
of what Ron Dennis
was looking for.
981
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,520
That wouldn't have been
an overwhelming problem,
982
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,440
had it not been for the fact
that Ayrton Senna was...
983
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,160
also on the radar as well.
984
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,240
Tommy couldn't control
his destiny
985
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,320
in the way Ayrton could.
986
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,040
He didn't have the background
to dictate his own path.
987
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,240
[mellow music]
988
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,280
Unlike
other drivers, his friends
989
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,560
put together the pennies,
990
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680
not the pounds, to facilitate
991
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,920
his onward step.
992
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,000
But...
993
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,920
and as that entourage grew,
994
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,160
some of it attracted
probably unsavory elements.
995
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Businessmen,
996
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,000
people from all sorts
of hazy backgrounds
997
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,640
were intoxicated by the world
that Tommy was in.
998
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,040
They latched onto Tommy
999
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,160
and Tommy enjoyed
their company and so the...
1000
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,600
the racing world
can get a bit sniffy
1001
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,440
about that sort
of thing as well.
1002
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,400
He was hustling, he was doing it in the car
on his talent,
1003
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,320
and out of the car
he was just taking...
1004
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,800
help from wherever
he could find it.
1005
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,960
He was attracted to London
1006
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,040
and, I suppose,
the nightlife, parties,
1007
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,680
pubs... drinking.
1008
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,400
You know,
it's the age old story:
1009
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,920
it's very easy to get sucked
into that direction
1010
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,880
and still believe
1011
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,240
that you're doing
the right thing for your career
1012
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,560
in racing, because
1013
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,840
why should they be connected?
1014
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:16,840
But they are.
1015
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Yeah, I had a bunch
of friends,
1016
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,000
just plenty action all the time.
1017
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,120
You know, I could stay nearly anywhere
I wanted to,
1018
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,720
with anybody, I was single.
1019
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Because I was the life
of the party.
1020
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,120
It was either that
or don't race.
1021
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,720
He was out partying
1022
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,600
with the people
who were helping him pay
1023
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,880
for some of his expenses.
1024
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
So he felt
he didn't have a choice
1025
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,880
but to play with these people
as they were playing.
1026
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,920
They were enabling the drugs
1027
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,520
and the alcohol,
and he knew it wasn't helping,
1028
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960
but it was the only thing he could do
to get to the next race,
1029
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,120
pay the rent,
1030
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,200
buy his next cup of coffee,
perhaps.
1031
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080
He was winning well in the first part
of the '82 season
1032
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,000
and then it all started
going wrong
1033
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,240
when the team
took on a paying driver
1034
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,760
to help pay the bills
1035
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,720
and they'd given Tommy's old car
to the paid driver.
1036
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,440
Murray gave me a different car.
1037
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,960
I never even came close
to winning a race after that.
1038
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480
Six races in a row
that I just was nowhere.
1039
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:27,120
So, of course, their answer
to the whole thing was:
1040
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,720
"Tommy's lost it."
1041
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,640
And they'd just think:
"Oh, Tommy, yeah,
1042
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,840
you must had
a beer last night,
1043
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,360
mustn't be feeling
too good today."
1044
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,760
That's not the way it was.
1045
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,600
Then the team were not
listening to me, that was...
1046
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,800
Then the pressure was getting
pretty big for me.
1047
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,800
That was...
1048
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,800
everything was stepping
away there.
1049
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,080
He realized that
"I'm going to be back home
1050
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,840
unless I succeed in this sport"
1051
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,000
and I think
when a driver has that
1052
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,840
in the background, realizing:
1053
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,320
"Listen if you don't cut it
this weekend
1054
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,480
this could be your last."
1055
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,760
That's a very strong
motivating force.
1056
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,600
I was still leading
the championship
1057
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,440
but why should Murray Taylor
1058
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,960
even continue to run me anymore
1059
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,600
if I'm not going to win
the Championship?
1060
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Cos the only thing he's getting
out of it is winning the champ--
1061
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,040
he had to win the championship.
1062
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,440
to be able to continue
and show that he's a great team.
1063
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,160
So it went on and on
and then it came to a head.
1064
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,600
I said, "Listen, I'm leaving
unless I get a different car."
1065
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,320
And I quit the team
with nothing to fall back on.
1066
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,200
And Murray did call me back and,
1067
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,440
eventually, I got a new chassis.
1068
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,040
I fought back.
1069
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,840
Some drivers are fucked,
they can't fight back,
1070
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,640
cos they actually...
1071
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,280
start believing what these guys
are telling them, you know?
1072
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,160
You start thinking,
"Well, maybe they're right."
1073
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,600
That was never a problem for me.
I never had to think that.
1074
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,160
They must have hated me.
1075
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,480
But...
1076
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,360
I went to Brands Hatch and absolutely back
to normal again.
1077
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,080
Pole position and just took off and
nobody even came close to me.
1078
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,000
Tommy Byrne leading into Paddock
for the first time.
1079
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,080
I think Brundle
was in second place.
1080
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,000
All the heavy hitters,
the Formula 1 guys were there,
1081
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,200
so this was the one -
every Formula 3 driver
1082
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,200
wants to win
the British Grand Prix.
1083
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,600
You've got this feeling
that everyone is watching you.
1084
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,160
So this is the one opportunity
you have each year
1085
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,600
to go out there
and get the job done and again
1086
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,080
Tommy under enormous pressure
not only won the race,
1087
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,560
I mean, just took off
and left everyone in his dust.
1088
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,440
And I didn't just win
the race. I won it by a lot.
1089
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,040
I needed that win.
1090
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,600
I needed it to happen
at that time, which it did.
1091
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,800
It was one of my best
performances ever I would say.
1092
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,080
The bottom line is
if a driver can...
1093
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,600
win races for you,
1094
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,120
you want to have that driver
in your team.
1095
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,520
And in spite of his own,
1096
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,240
what I would call
"ill discipline,"
1097
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,440
Tommy was winning races.
1098
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,680
By winning that race,
and to win it that well,
1099
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,120
by over 20 seconds,
1100
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,560
created a lot of interest
in Formula 1.
1101
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,120
That's not quite as...
1102
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,440
That was fun. That was a laugh.
1103
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,640
There was one team
in particular
1104
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,720
that... took an interest,
1105
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,720
and that was Theodore.
1106
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,320
[somber music]
1107
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,040
They wanted me
to drive in Formula 1.
1108
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,320
For the last six races
of the year.
1109
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,360
There are usually
10 to 12 teams
1110
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,120
on the grid in the world.
1111
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,680
If you get an opportunity
1112
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,120
to show your talent,
you take it.
1113
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,880
So I signed it,
1114
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,520
I remember asking
for 40,000 the first year,
1115
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,120
200,000 the second year and
half a million the third year
1116
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,640
and Theodore, just laughed at me
and basically gave me nothing,
1117
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,720
just expenses.
1118
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,200
Just over four years
1119
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,160
since coming over from Ireland
with nothing,
1120
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,680
and now in a Grand Prix.
1121
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,600
Which is an amazing feat.
1122
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,360
That's how far he had come,
1123
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,040
and that was all down to Tommy
and his talent, nothing else.
1124
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,680
That he could do that
1125
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,600
without any funding, virtually,
1126
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,720
except the pocket money
from fans and friends,
1127
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,240
that could nearly tell you
everything you needed to know
1128
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,000
about Tommy's talent.
1129
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,880
[music intensifies]
1130
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,120
I was excited.
Very excited.
1131
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920
But it all went to shit
fairly quick.
1132
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,320
The car was a piece of shit.
1133
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,600
I wasn't the only driver
that said that.
1134
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,120
The other two drivers
before me couldn't qualify it.
1135
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,520
Nobody qualified the car.
I qualified it,
1136
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,600
I think twice out of five times.
1137
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000
I tried to qualify for Dijon,
did not, Hockenheim, did not,
1138
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,360
was just a couple of tenths off,
Monza, same thing.
1139
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,720
[racing cars revving]
1140
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,360
Well, when I qualified
for a race in Austria
1141
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,720
I was the last person
to get in the car
1142
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:42,960
because I was starting last.
1143
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:44,600
And I really...
1144
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,000
I just wasn't impressed
at starting last.
1145
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,640
I mean,
I know I should have said
1146
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,200
I've been looking forward
to this for so long.
1147
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,240
I was kind of
looking forward to it, but...
1148
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,840
maybe somewhere up the grid,
in a better car.
1149
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,800
So...
1150
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,120
I just wasn't... as excited
as some people might have been.
1151
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,840
It was nothing fun. I didn't...
1152
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,760
like the whole situation.
1153
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,080
Nobody spoke to me in Formula 1.
1154
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,360
Niki Lauda said hello
1155
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,520
and Nelson Piquet said hi,
that was it.
1156
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Keke Rosberg used to come up and hit
me on the head every now and then
1157
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,600
cos I got in his way or
something, just a complete dick.
1158
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,320
For three years
I won everything. Everything!
1159
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,240
And I had everybody behind me
to help me win.
1160
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Now I get in a Formula 1 car
and I am last.
1161
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,520
Not only am I last,
when I speak to the team manager
1162
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,320
he tells me that if Keke Rosberg
was in my car he'd be first.
1163
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Any suggestion I give the team,
they didn't listen to me at all.
1164
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Motor racing is
a hard tough environment
1165
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,720
and you need
a pretty tough skin.
1166
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,400
Sometimes Tommy's skin was
a little bit thin
1167
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,320
when he sensed
there was any
1168
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,240
disrespect of his ability
or his level.
1169
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,160
[somber music resumes]
1170
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,040
For the first time,
my ability was being questioned
1171
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,240
by these guys.
1172
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,640
I was 14th quickest
on the Friday practice.
1173
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,680
I thought I might have heard something pop
or something at the end.
1174
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,000
I wasn't too sure but I did mention
to one of the guys,
1175
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,440
that I, you know, "maybe could you
just check on something?"
1176
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Then I did qualifying
and I qualified last.
1177
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,320
The Theodore guys,
their answer was,
1178
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,920
they brought Jackie Stewart up
1179
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,040
and sent him over to me to tell me
how to drive around the track.
1180
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,120
Instead of listening
to what I said early on that
1181
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,680
I think I might have heard
something pop or something,
1182
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,000
obviously something happened.
1183
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,400
I was pissed.
1184
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,880
Can you imagine somebody...
1185
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,280
coming up to Senna
and telling him how to drive,
1186
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,480
how to take a line
round the track?
1187
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,640
But I was as nice as could be.
1188
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,080
I did go back
to Jo Ramirez and said,
1189
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,920
"Don't you ever fucking send
somebody over to me
1190
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,080
to tell me how to drive again."
1191
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,280
What happened
to Tommy in his younger years
1192
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,240
informed him to behave
in a certain way.
1193
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,880
When he ran
in Formula Ford 2000,
1194
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,480
he had a bad car
1195
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,920
and he had to really work
with the team
1196
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,440
and he had to put it
to the team,
1197
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,480
"I'm not driving for you,
are you changing the car?"
1198
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,360
And they changed the car
1199
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,440
and he became British champion
and European champion.
1200
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,880
He then went into Formula 3
1201
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,840
and a similar
situation happened.
1202
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,800
The car was not performing well.
1203
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,000
And he put it to them,
"it's not me, it's the car,
1204
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,240
you gotta change the car."
1205
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,640
But what he didn't realize
is that
1206
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,840
you can't use
those same techniques,
1207
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,720
you cannot bludgeon an F1 team
into submitting your way.
1208
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,760
Tommy clearly didn't see that.
1209
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,600
The team manager,
1210
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,920
he pissed me off so bad.
1211
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,280
First off,
1212
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,640
actually I did talk to somebody
about getting him bumped off
1213
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,080
early on after
the first couple of races.
1214
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Maybe I wasn't serious about it
1215
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,200
but I actually did talk
to one of my friends
1216
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,920
in London who kind of, possibly,
could have done something.
1217
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,560
It was just driving home one day
having a couple of beers,
1218
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,040
going, "I wish the fucking guy
was gone."
1219
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,800
That's how I was thinking
at the time.
1220
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,120
So at the end of the year
1221
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,680
in Vegas I had a few drinks
after the race and
1222
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,280
probably not a good idea
either, but...
1223
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,800
we were up at Caesar's Palace
in the room
1224
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,360
and I was fucking pissed
at him,
1225
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,120
he was still yapping on,
about, you know,
1226
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,800
just always, he was just this...
1227
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,000
It was just a bad time for me.
1228
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,600
So I told him to go
stick it up his ass
1229
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,520
and threw a chair at him
and just, you know
1230
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,240
stormed out of there,
and that was it.
1231
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,240
So I was done. Even though...
1232
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:24,400
I was probably done anyway.
But I didn't get fired.
1233
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,800
I just left.
1234
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:26,880
I did have
a three-year contract.
1235
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,480
I'd rather not be doing
Formula 1
1236
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,040
than doing it like that.
1237
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,760
Especially if you haven't
got a car that moves forward.
1238
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,160
Basically,
you're just hanging on there
1239
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,080
to see how many cars drop out.
1240
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,080
But I knew I had something.
I knew I had a talent
1241
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,800
and I could have taken
that talent to another team.
1242
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,440
But he came back
from Las Vegas,
1243
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,760
from the Grand Prix there,
1244
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,320
to try to win
his Formula 3 Championship,
1245
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,880
and the prize for winning
that Championship
1246
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,680
was a Formula 1 test
with McLaren.
1247
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,000
He felt that it could be
the make-or-break opportunity
1248
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,840
of getting into Formula 1
and a top team.
1249
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,480
You know,
that was my chance
1250
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,760
to drive one of the winning cars
in Formula 1.
1251
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,320
But first I just needed
to win the championship.
1252
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,000
Just how important is it winning
1253
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,640
the Marlboro Formula 3
Championship
1254
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,680
series to you in 1982?
1255
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,360
Well, I don't think anyone is going
to give up very easy,
1256
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,440
especially not me,
1257
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,560
not after coming all this way.
1258
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,240
And you must remember, I think
everyone seems to have forgot
1259
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,200
that I did miss four races
out of it.
1260
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,080
That's how close it is.
1261
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,320
First, second, and third.
One, two, three.
1262
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Mansilla, Scott, Byrne.
1263
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Into and out of
the chicane together.
1264
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,080
I had to finish
in front of Quique Mansilla
1265
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,000
to win the Championship.
1266
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,960
Dave's car,
every time I got alongside him,
1267
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,920
he just run into me
and put me on the grass.
1268
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,000
And he did that sometimes
three times per lap.
1269
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:48,320
In different areas.
1270
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,120
And nobody did anything
about it.
1271
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,360
If I did that, black flag
and brought into the pits,
1272
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,680
end of story.
1273
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,400
But for some reason
they let it go.
1274
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,080
...probably to get out of
the car and walk sharply away...
1275
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,200
And then the number one guy
was not even getting away
1276
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,320
so I still knew
there was a chance,
1277
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:02,720
I just had to get by him
1278
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,320
and I still could win the race.
1279
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,640
...Scott has got the inside line,
they're banging wheels,
1280
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,040
as they go into the straight,
1281
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:08,440
Tommy Byrne
he's waving him aside.
1282
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,840
"Move over," he's saying,
"let me through."
1283
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,360
"Not likely," says Dave Scott,
1284
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,040
"I'm second
and I'm staying there."
1285
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,960
And, ooh...
1286
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,280
Dave Scott locked up
his rear wheel.
1287
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,400
Where is Tommy Byrne? I thought that
would happen. He's gone through.
1288
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,080
This is it.
This is the last lap.
1289
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,120
These are the two
championship leaders,
1290
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,600
Quique Mansilla leads the race
and the Championship.
1291
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,440
But now Byrne goes through...
Magnificent!
1292
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,280
And within half a lap
after I passed the other guy,
1293
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,840
I was two seconds a lap quicker
on the last lap.
1294
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,840
So they were holding me
up that much.
1295
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,800
We won the Championship
with a very small budget.
1296
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,200
So it was huge deal.
Big, big deal.
1297
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,400
Now I'm going to get to drive
for McLaren.
1298
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,320
[sighing]
1299
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,440
We've got VHS's.
1300
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,320
This one?
1301
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,840
That was probably the most important
day of my racing career.
1302
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,800
That's the day
I tested the McLaren.
1303
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,440
It was a race-winning
Formula 1 car.
1304
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,240
It would be like driving
a Mercedes today
1305
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,760
for a young rookie.
1306
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,120
So it was huge.
It was just a big, big day.
1307
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,120
Right there
I was shitting myself.
1308
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,840
That particular time,
right there,
1309
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,120
I definitely was getting worried
about the whole thing and all.
1310
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,560
Could I do it?
1311
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,400
It's expensive
to run a Formula 1 car.
1312
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,040
It always has been,
always will be,
1313
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,160
so when a team
puts a car on track for the day
1314
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,640
they are serious about it.
1315
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,040
It's costing them
a huge amount of money.
1316
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:47,000
They're risking their car
with a young driver
1317
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,040
that he is not going to stick it
in the wall.
1318
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,880
The spotlight's on you.
There are no excuses.
1319
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,200
It is a fast, competitive,
well proven car from a top team.
1320
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,280
You've got to show your mettle.
1321
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,800
[revving loudly]
1322
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,960
[dramatic music]
1323
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,160
The car was just...
1324
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Unbelievable!
1325
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,760
It was so easy to drive
and just so fast.
1326
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,560
And I was only just
getting started.
1327
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,680
The footage
of that test shows a car
1328
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,840
being driven beautifully
1329
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,400
on the limit,
using every inch of track.
1330
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,520
He's turning in sharply
and aggressively but...
1331
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,800
absolutely right on the edge
of the car's limits.
1332
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,560
That's what
the stopwatch confirmed.
1333
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,360
Tommy's times
1334
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,920
were quicker
than the drivers at the time,
1335
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,720
who were John Watson,
a multiple Formula 1 winner,
1336
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,960
and three-times
world champion Niki Lauda.
1337
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,440
Now, it just doesn't get
any better than that.
1338
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,840
You know, he could have gone
faster than God!
1339
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,560
He had just done that!
1340
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,640
He'd gone faster
than Niki Lauda.
1341
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,600
But what was impressive
was he jumped into a car
1342
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,080
which he had never seen before
he did the test,
1343
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,760
did a phenomenal lap time.
1344
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,240
I did a time that would have put me
on the front row
1345
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,800
of the British Grand Prix
1346
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,840
and with my other car
I was last.
1347
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,320
The fact I did a 110.1
1348
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,000
three times in a row,
1349
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,440
which is pretty impossible
to do, I'd say that's...
1350
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,240
really consistent,
1351
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,800
certainly people
would've been talking about it.
1352
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,200
Certainly!
1353
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,200
He did a 110.1.
I couldn't believe it.
1354
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,840
I was there.
1355
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,600
Now, his next job
was not to post a better time,
1356
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,640
his next job was to make sure
1357
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,600
that everything around that 10.1
was amazing.
1358
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,080
But that wasn't Tommy.
1359
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,560
I wasn't there
in the immediate aftermath
1360
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,280
of when he got out
of the cockpit
1361
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,920
and who was listening to him,
what he said to the team.
1362
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,160
But I think a story
went around that
1363
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,800
he said
"if they can go faster than that
1364
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,280
they can take
their cucumber sandwiches
1365
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,320
and stick them up their arse"
or something, so...
1366
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,960
that sounds about right.
1367
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,360
Tommy insists he never said it.
1368
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,960
But, of course,
I didn't say any of that.
1369
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,360
But at this stage the rumor mill was
going with "Tommy, you can..."
1370
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,280
I only had to open my mouth
1371
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,400
and somebody would just add
what they wanted onto it.
1372
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,520
He did all he had to do
from within the cockpit.
1373
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,080
That is all
he was required to do.
1374
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,240
He passed with A-star.
1375
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,120
But... it is the out
of the car performance
1376
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,440
that, you know,
sealed Tommy's fate.
1377
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,840
The management
of McLaren
1378
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:30,880
wiped their hands off him.
1379
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,240
[soft wistful music]
1380
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,600
His cocky nature
didn't quite sit well
1381
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:35,880
with a very...
1382
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,760
English-minded set-up
of Ron Dennis and McLaren,
1383
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,360
which was ultra-corporate,
ultra-professional.
1384
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,800
He was far too big a risk.
1385
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,080
Autosport comes out
Thursday morning
1386
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,040
and the Motoring News
comes out Wednesday night
1387
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,480
and I looked at it
and it was like, basically
1388
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,160
a couple of words
in one of the magazines
1389
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,120
and the other one said
"Byrne, fast but too cocky."
1390
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:06,960
I went, "Shit."
1391
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,160
For once I didn't say a word!
1392
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:11,760
So that was a bit
of a let-down, you know?
1393
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,560
I wasn't expecting it, actually.
1394
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,360
Ron Dennis' quotes
played down
1395
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,240
the level of Tommy's performance
1396
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,040
and he felt that just confirmed
1397
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,840
that he was never going to get
an opportunity from Ron Dennis.
1398
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,440
He felt that he had
blown his chance.
1399
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,640
And everything
was hanging on that in his mind,
1400
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,200
and when it didn't happen,
1401
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,200
he just threw himself
to the wind.
1402
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,040
That was it.
1403
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:39,720
I think at that level,
1404
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,080
Tommy really wasn't one of them.
1405
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,800
He did not fit!
1406
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,160
He did not fit.
1407
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,880
And I would say an awful lot
of it down to...
1408
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,880
where he and we started off.
1409
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,840
Going from Dundalk
to over there,
1410
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,400
and working his way through.
1411
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,000
He wasn't of the cut
1412
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,840
of some of the more
sophisticated people.
1413
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,040
And the Formula 1 men, you know
1414
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,960
it's a small,
small group of people
1415
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,560
and I think they closed
the book on him.
1416
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,320
The word was put around,
1417
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,880
"Keep him out of here,
we don't need him."
1418
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,280
I tried hard
1419
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,200
for four or five years
to get to Formula 1 and I did.
1420
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,360
But after that was all over
1421
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,840
and then obviously the drinking,
1422
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:20,880
then, you know...
1423
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,640
the drugs got a little bit more
1424
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,520
and I did some serious partying.
1425
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,200
And I ended up taking enough
to kill a buffalo, you know?
1426
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,920
I went out with a photographer
friend of mine
1427
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,320
the night before the test
1428
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,960
and he gave me a bunch of this
white powder stuff,
1429
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,520
cocaine that he had.
1430
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,560
I'm going to an awards show,
now would be a good time to...
1431
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,240
do it again.
1432
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,440
So I snorted up two lines,
1433
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,600
and an hour later, another two lines,
just two big huge lines.
1434
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,760
And another two lines later on.
1435
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,560
Still only twelve o'clock
in the day.
1436
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,320
[tense music]
1437
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,960
As I got closer to the awards,
I had to take a few more lines
1438
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,840
just to get the same kind
of hit that I had earlier on.
1439
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,960
And it's like... I'm wired.
1440
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,760
I'm just all over the place.
I'm just...
1441
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,960
And then I just had
to keep taking more and more.
1442
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,440
And then when I got to the table
1443
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,520
sitting around I'm just talking
to everybody.
1444
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,920
So after, I think I picked up
a bunch of prizes,
1445
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,040
I can't snort any more
of that cocaine because...
1446
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,120
my nose is hurting so bad.
1447
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,120
So I went to my friend Stuart,
1448
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,040
"Hey, I got a bunch
of this cocaine stuff,
1449
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,040
I can't take it anymore,
do you want it?"
1450
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,200
Stuart comes back and he says,
1451
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,360
"That's not cocaine,
that's speed."
1452
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,800
I went, "Well, you know,
speed, cocaine...
1453
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,160
It's the same difference,
isn't it?"
1454
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,720
He goes, "No, not really..."
1455
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,440
At this stage, it's too late,
I got so much in my system.
1456
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,200
It's three or four o'clock in the morning,
I drove back to the house
1457
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,800
where I got the stuff
in the first place.
1458
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:48,680
He said,
1459
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,360
"I hope you didn't take
much of that stuff, did you?"
1460
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,480
I went,
1461
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,920
"Yes, yes, a lot actually.
1462
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,320
Like half of it."
1463
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,200
"Oh, Jesus Christ,
1464
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,800
I just took a tiny bit of it
and I was up for two days."
1465
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,880
So, he put me in his room.
1466
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,960
There was nothing happening,
there's no sleep coming,
1467
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,160
my heart was just racing.
1468
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,120
I just lay there.
1469
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,440
I lay there, I lay there,
for three fucking days.
1470
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,960
And depressed.
Very, very depressed
1471
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,920
It's like it's...
My life was over.
1472
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,040
I'm lucky to be alive, I guess.
1473
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,480
I mean, I was just going
through life like...
1474
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:22,960
there was no tomorrow.
1475
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,840
Yeah, don't worry about it.
1476
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,480
We'll have you come in,
we'll talk about it,
1477
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,840
We'll take a look
and figure it out.
1478
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,480
You're doing fine.
1479
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,640
Tenth and twelfth
those guys are.
1480
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:43,720
I got a few ideas.
1481
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,360
The good news is
1482
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,040
you got a bunch
of time right there.
1483
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,680
-Step on it, yeah.
-The bad news is...
1484
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,320
You made a couple
of big mistakes.
1485
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,240
Just... If you can just hit
a couple of these marks,
1486
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,480
-there's a lot of time.
-Yeah.
1487
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,880
I think the next time
might have been a bit cleaner.
1488
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,800
Okay, well, actually
you hit it there,
1489
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,480
and that's a miss,
1490
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,160
and that's middle of the road.
1491
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,680
So right there,
there's nearly half a second.
1492
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,760
-Yeah.
-You know?
1493
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,400
I'm a professional driver coach,
1494
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,840
I can tell them how to act,
obviously,
1495
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,520
and I can tell them
where to be on the track.
1496
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,680
I can't do it for them.
1497
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,120
It's up to them then to take
that information and go out
1498
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,120
and change it on the track
and use it.
1499
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,880
So, good news and bad news.
1500
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,040
If you can fix all that...
1501
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,800
-That's all good news to me.
-God knows, yeah, I mean...
1502
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,160
But can you remember it?
1503
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,240
-Yeah. Okay.
-You'll be able to remember?
1504
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,560
You're not going to get
pissed off when I tell you?
1505
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,320
No, I'm not a sensitive guy.
1506
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,080
Drinking?
Is that why you're losing?
1507
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,240
[melodic music]
1508
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,840
European racing
is today or nothing.
1509
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:47,760
Americans seem to be...
1510
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,480
I hate to say this
about Americans,
1511
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,960
but generally Americans
are all about the second chance.
1512
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,240
So here I am
in America in 1985,
1513
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,080
starting a whole new career
again at the bottom.
1514
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,000
He's still got no money
when he went to America.
1515
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,680
He is still scratching about,
1516
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,200
but he is a gun for hire,
so he gets opportunities.
1517
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,400
He still thought
he would probably end up making
1518
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,080
his millions
in motor racing somehow.
1519
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,720
This time
I wasn't quite as serious,
1520
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,480
so, maybe a little bit
more partying.
1521
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,680
Actually, I started
to enjoy racing a little bit.
1522
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,120
The feeder series
to IndyCar,
1523
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,560
Indy Lights, or ARS,
as it was initially called,
1524
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,760
Tommy did very well
and he wasn't in the best cars,
1525
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,680
wasn't in the best teams.
1526
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,560
He takes pretty much any opportunity
that anybody offers him
1527
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,760
and he makes good use of them
and he does well.
1528
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,400
In turn number 11,
his final pass through here,
1529
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,880
this is the man
who is going to win the race,
1530
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,880
Tommy Byrne charges the line
and takes the checkered flag.
1531
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:51,480
It's going to be fun.
1532
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:52,880
I'm used to that.
1533
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,000
Tommy enjoyed
the American adventure and...
1534
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,480
the parties and the lifestyle.
1535
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,520
I won a bunch of races
hung over in America.
1536
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,480
It was just a matter of,
you know,
1537
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,080
just... having a bit of fun
1538
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,920
and winning some races
at the same time.
1539
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,280
He just hung
it out there,
1540
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,880
and wasn't afraid
to tell you what he thought.
1541
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,400
And, guess what?
That is what I liked
1542
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,320
about Tommy
from the very first day.
1543
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,720
There's wasn't a lot of guys
who were earning money,
1544
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,440
maybe two or three others
in ARS/Indy Lights Championship,
1545
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,280
so Tommy was, you know,
1546
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,200
knocking down a nice bit of coin
each year.
1547
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,680
I didn't get it.
1548
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,400
I thought it was a big mistake.
1549
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,560
I think he should have
stayed in Europe.
1550
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,520
For me, there is no way
you can come from there
1551
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:36,960
and go back to Formula 1.
1552
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,200
You know,
if you are good enough,
1553
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,800
and if you are fast enough,
and certainly Tommy was,
1554
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,520
a little window of opportunity
will always open.
1555
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:46,720
It always does.
1556
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,920
By the time
Ayrton Senna left Lotus,
1557
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,480
he actually put a word in
1558
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,800
to the Lotus boss,
Peter Warr,
1559
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,440
that he should look at Tommy,
1560
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,320
but Tommy's exploits in America
didn't even register.
1561
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,600
Eddie Jordan
kind of half convinced me
1562
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,920
that there was a chance of me still
getting into a Formula 1 car.
1563
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,160
I think we talked
to one team, Tyrrell,
1564
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,640
and I think they wanted
a couple of million pounds,
1565
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,760
so, I mean,
it just wasn't going to happen.
1566
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,680
I went over and back to Tommy
a lot in America.
1567
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,640
He would enjoy himself.
He would...
1568
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,280
talk about the dreams
that he still would have,
1569
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:24,560
and his dreams now...
1570
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,720
After Tommy didn't make it
in Formula 1,
1571
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,400
his dreams
went into other things.
1572
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,400
Different things
that he would say,
1573
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:34,680
"I am going to do in life."
1574
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,960
This is my old house.
1575
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,840
Got married
and I bought this '87.
1576
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,520
When I came back from racing,
this was my haven.
1577
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,560
I loved it.
1578
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,440
Well...
1579
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:10,960
This place hasn't changed much!
1580
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,200
Fifteen years, huh?
1581
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:18,920
Last time I was here.
1582
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,440
Spent a lot of good years here,
ten good years.
1583
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:24,760
You know?
1584
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,800
Kind of sad. Sad and happy.
1585
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,760
Or happy and sad.
Yeah, look at that tiki hut.
1586
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,320
They are under there.
1587
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,640
[child laughing]
1588
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,320
[nostalgic music]
1589
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,120
[mimicking revving]
1590
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,640
[laughing]
1591
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:56,800
This is my home.
My kids...
1592
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,280
grew up here, on the lake.
1593
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,640
They learned how to swim here.
1594
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:01,560
These guys
would run around naked.
1595
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:02,960
It was just, it was perfect.
1596
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,440
It represents
what I always wanted in America.
1597
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,480
When I was doing really well,
1598
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,760
we had parties here,
down here on the beach,
1599
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,360
and this was the life.
1600
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,320
I just went racing
and came back to this.
1601
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:24,600
It was...
1602
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,680
It can't get much better.
It was brilliant.
1603
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,240
In America,
I only made half the effort.
1604
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,800
Half my effort was okay.
1605
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,960
You always think
you're going to get $1 million,
1606
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,720
there's still always a chance,
you know.
1607
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,160
I was only one deal away
from the big time.
1608
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,280
Are we ever going to see Tommy Byrne
in an IndyCar in the near future?
1609
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,840
I hope so.
1610
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,440
I'd like to get into an IndyCar
and maybe do well,
1611
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,800
rather than just get into a car
1612
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,160
just to say,
"Hi, I drive IndyCars."
1613
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,240
I'd like to do well, it would be nice
to get into a good IndyCar team.
1614
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,400
If you think about
any category
1615
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,440
of major motor sports
in the world today,
1616
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,480
you have IndyCar, 24 seats,
1617
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,520
you have Formula 1,
22 seats right now.
1618
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,200
Sports car racing,
eight to ten seats.
1619
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,480
The total amount of that is less than
50 drives available globally
1620
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,440
at any point in time,
no matter what generation it is.
1621
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,080
That's not very many.
1622
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,040
These people have been lining up
for the last two hours
1623
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,120
to get an autograph
from these drivers.
1624
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,320
These guys have to do
what they're told
1625
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,440
to a certain extent
for the sponsors.
1626
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:33,720
You're going
to piss off somebody
1627
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,640
if you try to be
your own personality,
1628
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,720
so, basically it's all fake.
1629
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,520
There's
only a small number of teams
1630
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,160
in IndyCar that have the finance
1631
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,840
to take on a driver,
1632
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,000
and Tommy would have
come with a name.
1633
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,600
Other young kids in America
that were coming through
1634
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,440
were dedicating
their life to it,
1635
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,920
but for Tommy, it was something
he did at the weekend.
1636
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,760
Not from Monday morning at
eight o'clock when you got up,
1637
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,640
"How do I
be a better racing driver?"
1638
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,080
That was a question he probably
didn't ask himself, ever.
1639
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,760
I can't do this
alone, this is not...
1640
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,560
Tommy was always running
at the front, he'd always win
1641
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,280
two, three, four races a year.
1642
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,280
Tommy was always a factor
every weekend,
1643
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,840
but winning the Championship
would have been
1644
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,640
the leap that he needed
to get into IndyCar.
1645
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,480
I've been gloved
within an hour,
1646
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,560
we'll know who the new
ARS champion is.
1647
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,400
In the three years I did full-time ARS
was '87, '88 and '89,
1648
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,800
and I was going
into the last race every time
1649
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,840
with a chance of winning
the Championship.
1650
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,360
Tommy Byrne
is really Mr. ARS.
1651
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,800
He's run every year of ARS
1652
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,880
and he has done just about
everything that you can do.
1653
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,360
He knows he has a chance
1654
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,000
to really go
and win the Championship,
1655
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,920
he's been trying
for it for four years.
1656
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,680
I was leading the race,
1657
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,520
the last race
of the year in California,
1658
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,400
and I was driving
the shit out of it.
1659
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,280
But this
is the battle that's been joined
1660
01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:58,960
since the drop
of the green flag.
1661
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,920
Gary, something has happened
directly behind you.
1662
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,200
It looks as if one car has gone off
the course out of turn number 11.
1663
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,000
John, does it involve Byrne,
maybe?
1664
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,880
I think something's
wrong with Byrne.
1665
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,960
I don't know how Arthur Abrahams got over
on that part of the...
1666
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,520
Oh, Tommy Byrne
has nowhere to go.
1667
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:15,880
Arthur Abrahams...
1668
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,600
And your thoughts
at that point
1669
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,160
when you realized you were
about to lose the Championship?
1670
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,840
I don't think
I can say it on TV.
1671
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,400
Oh, bleep!
[laughing]
1672
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,720
So that day
I lost the Championship
1673
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,120
and $80,000
1674
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,920
and the Triple Crown,
and... I lost a lot,
1675
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,560
and the chance
to get into IndyCars.
1676
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,000
You know...
So I lost it all in one day.
1677
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,600
It just wasn't to be.
1678
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,760
I don't think
we ever had a conversation
1679
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,960
that just said,
"Hey, where are we going here?"
1680
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,440
Is this our life?
1681
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,960
Are we going to be able to maintain
our position in motor racing?
1682
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,000
I think...
1683
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,200
I think I realized it
a little bit sooner than Tommy,
1684
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,480
I mean, he was able,
through his results,
1685
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,960
to keep the ball rolling
a little bit longer.
1686
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:57,360
I kind of peeled off the track
a little bit before Tommy did.
1687
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:58,880
...right on level.
1688
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,920
I should have stopped,
you know, in '89 and got a job.
1689
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,520
It just wasn't to be.
And at that stage now, '90, '91,
1690
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,520
I do a couple
of half-assed races
1691
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,600
and when I was lapped
by my team-mate,
1692
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,160
Vince Neil from Motley Crue,
1693
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,000
I knew it was
kind of all over at that point.
1694
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,560
And then, that was it.
1695
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,880
Probably started drinking a little bit
too much at that stage
1696
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:30,360
and smoking the pot.
1697
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,040
I would say at the end, I was just
worn down at that stage.
1698
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,080
Things weren't going
too good at home,
1699
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,880
you know, with my wife.
It's like...
1700
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,440
...in his room. Taylor!
1701
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,760
There was some issues, you know.
I was coming to the end.
1702
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,080
And it was just... always hanging
over your head, you know.
1703
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,640
And no money whatsoever.
Hadn't got a pot to piss in.
1704
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,120
So I had to do something.
1705
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,800
You had different categories
across the globe,
1706
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,040
you would have Formula 1
at the epicenter
1707
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:03,440
of world motorsport.
1708
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,280
You'd have IndyCar in America
1709
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,320
and then as you come down
the ladder
1710
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,640
to the different categories
that you would parachute out to,
1711
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,760
and you'd then drop down
to another level
1712
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,320
and then another level,
1713
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,240
and then somewhere
below all those levels
1714
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,320
was racing in Mexico.
1715
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,040
[complex music]
1716
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,840
I got a phone call from Alberto Lozano,
my team owner.
1717
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,640
He kind of invited me down
1718
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,120
and he ended up
giving me $2,000 a race
1719
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,120
and the full mini bar
and all expenses.
1720
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,240
So, I mean,
I was making decent money.
1721
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,080
Took a very dark turn
in Mexico
1722
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,080
because the sort of characters
1723
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,920
that were able to fund
Tommy's racing were...
1724
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:47,800
unusual.
1725
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,280
I was only in Mexico.
1726
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,440
The first visit,
I met this guy, Orchio.
1727
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,760
But I would just mention
to Orchio that
1728
01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:58,560
if we had an Italian engine,
1729
01:11:58,760 --> 01:11:59,840
I think we could win
that next race.
1730
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,360
So then, he would go
to my team owner
1731
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,920
and buy the $30,000 engine.
1732
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,800
So he put a lot of money
into the team that way.
1733
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,240
Don't ask where
the money came from and...
1734
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,360
don't ask about the lifestyle
around it,
1735
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,000
but Tommy had to fit in
with that in order to...
1736
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,120
continue getting drives,
1737
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,880
which he happily did
1738
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,840
until it got too crazy
even for Tommy.
1739
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:30,120
Pretty good.
1740
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,520
Mexico was just a total mess.
1741
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,840
It was just partying and whores.
1742
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,480
That's all Mexico was.
1743
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,720
But he wasn't paying for whores,
I can assure you.
1744
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,600
Somebody else was.
1745
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,720
It was very, very crazy.
1746
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:49,880
It was a lot of drinking
down there,
1747
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,320
a lot of partying down there.
1748
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,280
Just lots of it.
1749
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:54,680
And they're very wealthy.
1750
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,520
I just went along with it.
What I was supposed to do?
1751
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,480
There was a room
1752
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:01,960
that you nearly
could not get into
1753
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,640
because of boxes of beer
in the house,
1754
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,200
all got to do
with his sponsorship.
1755
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,800
The guy was living
an oblivious life at that point.
1756
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,560
Where he thought
he should be
1757
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,240
was world champion,
and here he was,
1758
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:21,480
he was stuck in a rut
with a drug baron in Mexico,
1759
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,360
not really a nice place to be.
1760
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,080
His contemporaries,
who he'd completely blown away,
1761
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,840
were now F1 drivers,
earning vast fortunes.
1762
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,640
So that would have hurt
and that kept the wounds alive.
1763
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,000
I can't think of a driver
that was at Tommy's level
1764
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,360
that's ever ended up
1765
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,720
on the margins
of racing like that.
1766
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,800
He fell probably further
than anybody's fallen.
1767
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,760
Probably could have
stayed in Mexico longer,
1768
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,160
except Orchio had his...
1769
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,280
We had a bunch of girls
in the house
1770
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,680
and next thing is
we hear gunshots upstairs.
1771
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,520
And then Orchio comes
to the top of the stairway,
1772
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:04,320
completely naked,
1773
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,200
and he's got a gun in his hand.
1774
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,480
And I'm going, "Jesus, Orchio,
ยฟquรฉ pasa?
1775
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:10,880
You crazy..." He goes...
1776
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,680
[gunshot]
And he shoots at me and missed.
1777
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,160
And the girls are running
down the stairway, naked,
1778
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,800
tits are flying everywhere.
1779
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,120
And they're running past me,
"Tommy, help me, help me!
1780
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:21,840
He's loco ! Very loco !"
1781
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,280
And that was,
"To hell with this."
1782
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:25,960
I turned round back in the room
and locked the door.
1783
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,960
That's when I left
and I didn't go back.
1784
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,560
And then Alberto called me
two weeks later
1785
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,360
and he said
that Orchio was dead.
1786
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,120
Yeah...
He drowned in his swimming pool.
1787
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,800
[somber music]
1788
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,880
When I came back from Mexico,
1789
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,480
it was over,
I didn't race again.
1790
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,520
Most of your life's behind you
1791
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,800
and it didn't work out
the way it should have.
1792
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,640
There's no more racing,
there's no more winning
1793
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,640
and then our relationship
was gone to shit.
1794
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,080
We were done.
1795
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,440
And then,
it all fell apart... here.
1796
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,480
People get fed up,
you're complaining,
1797
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,000
you're calling people, boo-hoo.
1798
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,280
You know, lost my wife,
she left me, and..
1799
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:32,920
People really don't care,
you know,
1800
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,280
I was one of those
boo-hoo type guys.
1801
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:37,360
Well, I did all the begging.
1802
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,160
I did use all that stuff,
"Please come back,"
1803
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,320
you know... da-da-da-da-dah
1804
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:41,720
That didn't work.
1805
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,080
I didn't have the kids
for a while
1806
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:45,720
because they were with their mum,
and it was hard.
1807
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,000
Just lying there
on the couch with my beer
1808
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,880
and you'd look over
and they weren't there anyone.
1809
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,720
That was probably
the worst part for me.
1810
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,200
I went out
to visit him
1811
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,200
and he was living
in a caravan beside a lake,
1812
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,000
and he didn't want me
to come with him
1813
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,840
'cos he didn't want me to see
what he was doing
1814
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,280
and he was gathering ferns,
he was working as a laborer.
1815
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,320
I just
couldn't get going,
1816
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,800
I just couldn't get going. It was
easier to drink and smoke pot
1817
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,320
and do my work out in the woods
1818
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,440
than it was to, you know,
1819
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,880
to go back
1820
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,520
looking for racing jobs,
go back on the road.
1821
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:23,440
He says to me,
1822
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,840
"You probably think
I'm a failure.
1823
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,520
You probably think I'm a terrible failure."
And I said, "Tommy,
1824
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,280
we've all got things
1825
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,680
that haven't worked out for us
in our lives,
1826
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,520
the dice might not
have rolled well.
1827
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,800
But everybody respects
the talent you have,
1828
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,960
everybody respects
what you've done,
1829
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,520
and more than that,
it's you that you like,
1830
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,880
not the fact that you drove
a bloody Formula 1 car."
1831
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:45,960
[thundering]
1832
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,080
He was very low.
1833
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,760
I don't know how he really got
himself back together.
1834
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,360
I just really don't know.
1835
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,160
[thundering continues]
1836
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,680
I was losing my kids, you know.
1837
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:02,840
Even though in the end
I ended up
1838
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,360
getting custody
of the kids,
1839
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,520
but it was rough.
1840
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:07,920
It was nothing...
1841
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:12,080
That's when I needed
some stability, job-wise.
1842
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,680
[somber music continues]
1843
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:21,600
When I started
working with him,
1844
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,880
here at the Mid Ohio Sports
Car course at the school,
1845
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,480
he was still
a pretty bitter guy.
1846
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,360
It was hard for him
to still kind of admit
1847
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,360
that his racing career is over.
1848
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,160
And maybe Tommy coming
into that group of guys
1849
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,520
who were so comfortable
with saying,
1850
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,440
"Yeah, we used to do that,"
1851
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,800
it kind of let him realize
that the past was the past.
1852
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,680
And I think that
in and of itself
1853
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,720
added stability to Tommy's life,
and it...
1854
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,560
It's probably not too far out
to say it...
1855
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:52,960
it could have saved his life.
1856
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,200
In '94, when I started
working with Ohio,
1857
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,480
sometimes I would do...
1858
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,720
I think I did 120 days one year
1859
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,200
and then I was starting
to do some
1860
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,840
little bit coaching on the side.
1861
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,160
The thing was that, in '94, '95,
things were getting better
1862
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,600
and the house was gone,
renting and stuff,
1863
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,200
so things were,
for sure, picking up.
1864
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:15,840
And then, of course,
I met Michelle.
1865
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,440
And that was my old girlfriend
of mine from '84.
1866
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,040
I met her again
and then things obviously got
1867
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:25,560
a lot better with her.
1868
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,640
The boys were there,
growing up, it was kind of cool.
1869
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,280
In 1998,
we met again, and...
1870
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,320
he was more serious,
Tommy, still joked around.
1871
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,040
But there was
an underlying seriousness,
1872
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,640
maybe a sadness.
1873
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,720
But I don't think
that that sadness
1874
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,040
is following him around now.
1875
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,080
I'll wear it tonight.
1876
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,960
As time went on,
I think he started realizing
1877
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,160
maybe how he should have
handled his career,
1878
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:56,760
what he should have done.
1879
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,000
But I think he's able
to let that go.
1880
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,520
But you know what?
1881
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,280
I personally don't think he's
ever going to get away from it.
1882
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,040
But the racing is part of him.
1883
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:07,840
It will always be part of him.
1884
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,400
I don't think he can ever...
1885
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:10,880
He cannot box it up
1886
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:12,840
and put it away
like memorabilia.
1887
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:14,640
It's part of him.
1888
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,560
A lot of people
think I'm a millionaire.
1889
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:18,840
Aren't you a millionaire?
1890
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,800
No. Not really.
1891
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,160
I'm just giving an example of...
1892
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,640
what it's like sometimes
being sort of a superstar.
1893
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,800
But I don't think I am alone.
1894
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,160
Yet.
1895
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,040
[complex music]
1896
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,040
It's very easy
to be critical
1897
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,360
of the things around Tommy
1898
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,440
that didn't give Tommy
what he needed,
1899
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,440
You have to ask you a question.
1900
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:49,960
Did he not wanted that badly?
1901
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,040
Did he give up
everything for it?
1902
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,800
Sometimes you just
have to play the game.
1903
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,200
I often ask, "Did Tommy
ever play the game well enough?"
1904
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,040
I did chase.
1905
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,800
I just didn't chase their way.
1906
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,760
I had my way of doing it.
1907
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,320
Every day I thought about
getting to the next level,
1908
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:29,680
every fucking day.
1909
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,400
I just did it a different way.
1910
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:33,720
I do know one thing.
1911
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:34,800
Nobody gives a shit.
1912
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:36,920
I was pissed off too long.
1913
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,720
I'm worn out,
it's time to move on,
1914
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:41,720
because I'm not
pissed off anymore.
1915
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,360
I met a lot of people on my way
and I made a lot of friends.
1916
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,720
It hasn't been a terrible life.
1917
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,280
I just lost out
on about $100 million.
1918
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:55,000
That's all.
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