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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,400 My old treasure chest. 4 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,200 I've a couple of bits and pieces here. 5 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,520 This is a... 6 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,160 This actually is... 7 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:45,680 It hasn't been cleaned for a while, 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,360 'cos I really don't go in here that often, but... 9 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,760 It's the "Sports Star of the Year, 1981, Ireland." 10 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,320 Look at that. 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,560 And that's 1st place, Laguna Seca. 12 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,720 That's disgusting. 13 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,040 Naked. 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,760 If you didn't make it, nobody gives a shit. 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 That's how I feel now. 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,440 About 20 years ago, yeah, I would've felt, you know, 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,080 like, "Oh shit, you know, 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,800 those guys screwed me over, and they did this..." 19 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,000 [soft tranquil music] 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,800 This album here, I think my sister 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,760 might have put this one together for me. 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,120 When I was racing I didn't think 23 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:20,680 I was the best driver in the world... 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,320 I knew I was the best driver in the world. 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,840 I remember that suit. That's one of my first ones. 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,920 I just got... 27 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,080 I got beat. I got beat by the system. 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,640 [music intensifies] 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,280 There are lots of hard luck stories 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,360 in Formula 1. 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,240 Tommy is the defining case study, 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,440 because there's never been anybody quite that good, 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,520 who's never made it. 34 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,720 True talent really stands out. 35 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:13,560 We had Senna, Alain Prost, 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Fernando Alonso, Michael Schumacher. 37 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,320 And Tommy had the talent of these guys for sure. 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,080 You know, he just had that natural feel for a car. 39 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Tommy Byrne was wild. 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Some of the things that he did were so unorthodox, 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,280 that only Tommy Byrne ever could've done it. 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,280 Or will have ever done it. 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,040 The problem is... 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,680 he may have gone just too far. 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,680 [dramatic music] 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,440 What you saw was what you got with him. 47 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,920 Some people might think it, Tommy would say it. 48 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,400 And I think it hurt in the top end 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,040 where there's sponsors, 50 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,440 where there's major manufacturers involved. 51 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:57,760 And they don't want people 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,600 that are a bit wild like that. 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,120 [tires screeching] He got from nothing... 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,920 to Formula 1 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,920 in little more than 4 years. 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,720 We may never see a similar story ever again. 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,800 [music mellows] 58 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,760 We've got it all up. We're gonna get it tight. 59 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,320 It's two of us who used to work up in... 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:37,800 Here you go, Bert. 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:38,960 Where did you get these extra batteries? 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,320 Yeah, he gives them to me, you take them. 63 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Hey Sonny! 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,120 We will get going. My name is Brian Till, 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,120 I'll be your lead instructor for the day. 66 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,000 That just means that I talk more than the other guys do. 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,200 But you got a great group of guys 68 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,280 back there in the back. 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,960 Tommy Byrne down at the end. 70 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,360 Very accomplished open wheel driver. 71 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:57,440 Six, seven...? 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,280 -Seven. -Formula Car championships over in Europe 73 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,480 before he came to the United States. A little time in Formula 1. 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:04,880 Tommy's been here at the school 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,960 I think since... '93? '94? 76 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,480 -'95? Something like that. -'94. 77 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Twenty one years now! You've been here what, 22? 78 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,160 Yeah. 79 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,760 -Scary! -Long time. Long time. 80 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,840 So Tommy and I used to race together a little bit. 81 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,520 I crashed Tommy in Detroit one year. 82 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,000 -No, you ran into me. -Did I? 83 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,320 [laughing] 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,800 Of course my car was broken. 85 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,120 -Yeah. -I had to walk back. 86 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,080 [laughing] 87 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Through the streets of... 88 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,720 -the downtown streets of Detroit. -Through the streets of Detroit. 89 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,840 -You walked? -Yeah! 90 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,280 Here's a guy 91 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,480 who had come within a fingertip reach 92 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,200 of the pinnacle of the sport. 93 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,280 And it just slid down the other side of the mountain 94 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,000 when it just slipped from his grasp. 95 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,120 Your job today in this high-performance school 96 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,320 is to use 100 percent of the car 97 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,680 100 percent of the time. 98 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,160 Drive it like you stole it. 99 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,120 Some of us ended our careers on our own terms. 100 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:57,520 Tommy didn't. 101 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,920 But for the longest time, Tommy went to sleep. 102 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,080 Woke up... 103 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:05,320 and thought, "This isn't fair." 104 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,080 I should've. I would've. I could've. 105 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,040 Good job, P2. 106 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,680 Mike and Carl on deck! 107 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,240 To carry that with you... 108 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:15,880 when the door closes 109 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,760 and you're the only person in the room... 110 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,200 how loud are those voices? 111 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,480 [soft somber music] 112 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Obviously I wasn't the nicest guy in the world. 113 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,000 And it's just when you don't make it, 114 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,240 people, well, they try to say "He did this, he did that." 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,880 But you know what? 116 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,920 I just couldn't have anybody tell me what to do. 117 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,880 There are various theories on Tommy Byrne the racing driver. 118 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,120 One is that he royally messed up a potentially great career. 119 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,880 The other one was that he wasn't given a fair shot. 120 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,720 And I think Tommy's truth 121 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,880 is always somewhere in that shade of gray 122 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,920 between those two extreme viewpoints. 123 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,240 There were things in Tommy's character 124 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:04,800 and from his background 125 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,600 that made him not an easy fit in Formula 1. 126 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,960 Alex Hurricane' Higgins, Georgie Best, 127 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,480 I'd put him in that kind of mold. 128 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,280 Just a... a little irreverent, 129 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,360 and... super talented, and liked to have a beer. 130 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,360 The start of the 80's, the two hot shots 131 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,000 were Tommy Byrne and Ayrton Senna. 132 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Had it not been for Senna 133 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,480 arriving at around the same time, 134 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,520 Tommy's talent would've been enough 135 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,640 to carry him through. 136 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:33,960 It would've been irresistible. 137 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:37,640 And there was a real anger there, 138 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,240 in terms of the fact that motor racing 139 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,920 takes a lot of money and a lot of support. 140 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,520 So if you don't have that, 141 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,160 it's easy to fall by the wayside, 142 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,400 or suddenly your careers changes direction 143 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:48,320 as Tommy's did. 144 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,560 Obviously when you're trying to go racing 145 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,320 and you're completely broke all the time, 146 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,080 and you're racing against people 147 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:59,440 like Senna and the Brazilians with all the money, 148 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,080 and you haven't got a pot to piss in, 149 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,720 it does make a difference. 150 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,800 I mean, you don't get the same respect. 151 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,600 People treat you different. 152 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,920 And I hear this all the time, I've seen little quotes about 153 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,600 "Tommy's got a chip on his shoulder." 154 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,240 I think anybody would have a chip on their shoulder 155 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,040 if they were treated like shit after they win races. 156 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,280 So many races. 157 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,720 I'd win the exact same race that Senna won. 158 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,600 I'd win it first, he'd win it the year after, 159 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,280 and suddenly, it's like, you know, 160 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,520 "Who's Tommy Byrne?" 161 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:24,960 And when Senna won, 162 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,360 it was like the second coming of Christ. 163 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,800 And that's just the way life is, you know. 164 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,560 People treat you different 165 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,280 when you're broke and when you're rich. 166 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,440 What could I change? 167 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,760 Be born a millionaire 168 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,120 with a silver fucking spoon up my ass. 169 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,280 [music intensifies] 170 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Tommy still carries the cross of the rejection 171 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:47,920 from Formula 1, every day. 172 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,400 He's not the Tommy he would have been 173 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,400 had it all panned out the way he was expecting it to. 174 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,640 He knows what it could have been and what it should have been. 175 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:09,640 It's a little overgrown since the last time I was here, 176 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:10,680 that's for sure. 177 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:12,920 Yep. 178 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Ah man, look at this. 179 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,320 There's the trees my mom planted. 180 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:22,840 Shit, they were like... 181 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:24,960 they were a couple of feet tall. 182 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,520 So, I used to ride my motorcycle 183 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,440 all the way through here at night 184 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,320 when I'd come home at 15 years of age. 185 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,760 Drive through there, drive all the way through here, 186 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,840 drive up, and drive in the door. 187 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:41,800 I just couldn't control myself with speed. 188 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,520 I had to be flat-out everywhere. 189 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,360 And I worked at the gas station across the road, 190 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:47,280 everybody was talking about the day they would go there, 191 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,280 and I wouldn't be there anymore because I'd be dead. 192 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,960 Because everywhere that I went, I was flying. 193 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:52,680 Flying down the roads. 194 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,760 Flat-out. 195 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,440 Couldn't slow down. 196 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,480 That's what happens when you're born in the back of the car 197 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:00,680 on the way to the hospital. 198 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,680 [somber music resumes] 199 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,080 โ™ช Far across the foam โ™ช 200 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,120 โ™ช All though I've often left it โ™ช 201 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,080 โ™ช In foreign lands to roam โ™ช 202 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,360 "Tommy is still in trouble." 203 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,440 Tommy Byrne away to a flying start. 204 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:30,840 Born special. Born a special way. 205 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 [laughing] 206 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,520 Three firsts for Irish. 207 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,640 Sports star of the week. 208 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Oh, man, I was.... I was out of control. 209 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,480 I feel bad now, obviously, you know, you feel bad... 210 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:44,880 Because I have my own kids. 211 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Whatever chance they had of controlling me when I was... 212 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,720 nine or ten or eleven, 213 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,480 they had no chance at all when I was 15, 16 years of age. 214 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:54,680 I just didn't... 215 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:55,840 I just didn't listen. 216 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:03,960 This house now... 217 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:08,680 I just... 218 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,120 I just don't want to be here, actually. 219 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,480 To be honest, you know... 220 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,440 It's just... it's in the past. 221 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,560 I had a time here, I grew up in this house. 222 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,720 Mom and dad, sisters, everybody was here. 223 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,240 But now it's, you know, it's just... 224 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Time to move on! 225 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,800 When he was a child, 226 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,760 he was a nuisance to everybody around him. 227 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,440 -How's it's going, Maurice? -I'm humbled, I'm humbled. 228 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:42,960 -How's it going? -Very good. 229 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,480 Now I thought he was a little... 230 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,520 bastard at that stage. 231 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,120 He was just a little brat. 232 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,160 You didn't happen to bring back that part of fancy of boots 233 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,080 I gave you that time, because I'm still waiting on. 234 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,760 -You use them often? -I haven't used them for a while, 235 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,840 but I do like the boots, yeah. 236 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,640 I do have to wear a couple of pairs of socks with them. 237 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:00,800 Do you wear it with the jacket? 238 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,280 I forgot about the jacket. 239 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,520 [laughing] 240 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Tommy would have had a rough childhood 241 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,760 brought on mainly by himself, 242 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,280 by his attitude and by the way 243 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,480 he carried on, and... 244 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,480 no law was written for Tommy Byrne. 245 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,160 He never changed what he was like 246 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,840 when he was 11 or 12 years of age. 247 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,360 He just had that cockiness in him 248 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:23,840 that he would have to do it his own way. 249 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,920 You see, that's really as little as I thought of you 250 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,480 over the last number of years, Tommy. 251 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,080 They're up there. 252 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,800 -Thanks, Maurice. -Among all the... 253 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,920 Here, show me... 254 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,560 show me what you've got there. 255 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,440 Oh, look at that one. 256 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,720 -That's the, ah... -That would be quite an important one. 257 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Is that the British Grand Prix one? 258 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:44,760 -That's the British Grand Prix one. -Holy smokes. 259 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,080 Look at that, huh? What else have you got? 260 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:48,440 Yeah, that one there... 261 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:51,120 I think that's one of those European ones. 262 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,640 -Is this it? -I think so. 263 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,400 This is the P&O Ferries Formula Ford 1600. 264 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,000 This is the championship one, Maurice. 265 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,000 Cor, You think it would be maybe 266 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,760 a little bit looked after better than that. 267 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,080 -Well, look at this. -You didn't even know where they were Tommy. 268 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,200 No, I didn't, you're right. 269 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:09,440 I think that's an old shell from 270 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,960 World War II or something. 271 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,880 But they've been lying up there for... 272 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,280 many years. 273 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,160 -Maurice... -Yes? 274 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,880 These could probably clean up pretty good, I'll bet. 275 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,040 It's the same in my own house back in Florida, the same thing. 276 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,520 -You tell me. -Trophies in boxes. 277 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,120 -Look at that. -See if you can-- 278 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,400 See if you can clean that one. 279 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,440 When your fan club was... 280 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,120 Yep! Remember that? 281 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,000 We had the annual Tommy Byrne Dinner Dance 282 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,840 to make me money, and I think I earned... 283 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,920 I think I earned, like... ยฃ300. 284 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,200 That was as much money that was collected 285 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,960 for that one particular dance. 286 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,440 Enough money to get me some clothes. 287 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,520 -We needed $300,000. -Yes! 288 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:45,800 It was a lot of work for me 289 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,600 because I couldn't even enjoy myself, 290 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,040 because I had to talk to everybody. 291 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,680 Yeah. 292 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,560 and by the time it was all over and I was ready to... 293 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,840 you know, get shit faced... 294 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,560 -It was too late. -And you had to put... 295 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,040 the Dundalk accent back on again. 296 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,480 or they would have all called you an asshole. 297 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:00,440 I had to put... Yeah, the accent. 298 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,280 -Yeah. -Yeah. Alright, yeah. 299 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:05,720 [hooting] 300 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,240 [cars racing] 301 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,760 [dramatic music] 302 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,920 These little tracks here, this is where it all started. 303 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Yeah, I worked for free, fixing a Mini Stock car. 304 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,680 It's been 40 years ago, 305 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,320 because I loved being involved. 306 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,160 And I would look forward as a mechanic 307 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,760 to take it out for the race. 308 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,960 Then you drive it back and park it there, 309 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,880 and this is what I used to look forward to for the whole week. 310 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,240 [tires screeching] 311 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,320 There's something about the speed, 312 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,360 it's addictive. 313 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,920 The smell, the noise... 314 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,800 it gets in your... 315 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,880 It kind of does get in your blood. 316 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,680 It's just one of those things. 317 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,840 Just stick the needle in, you know, and it just... 318 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,200 you know, keep on pushing. 319 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,200 [bashing] 320 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,000 [cheering] 321 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:05,840 Yay! 322 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,880 I'm more comfortable here, 323 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,840 watching these little racers, 324 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,040 than I would be watching a Formula 1 race, 325 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,920 or even at a Formula 1 race. 326 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,160 It's pretentious, it's full of a bunch of... 327 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,640 fake people, 328 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,680 and I never really liked it in the first place. 329 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,520 And of course, I'm much more comfortable here. 330 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,240 It's just, maybe... 331 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,920 It doesn't get much better than that! 332 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,640 I would say 99% of the people here 333 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,320 driving at this track tonight 334 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,840 are probably here having fun. 335 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,080 And that maybe there's 1% out there 336 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,280 might be trying to make it big time in racing. 337 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,520 Because remember, there's very few people in the world 338 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,480 who actually make money racing. 339 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,480 I left school at 15 years of age. 340 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,080 The first real job I got was in the factory in town. 341 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,840 And I was going to be a mechanic. 342 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,360 My partner 343 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,040 that I was apprenticing for nicknamed me "foot-and-a-half," 344 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,160 because I was really, really small at the time. 345 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,120 So he nicknamed me "foot-and-a-half," and... 346 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,800 All you could hear in that whole big shop was: 347 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,320 "foot-and-a-half, foot-and-a-half!" 348 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,440 Because I was always gone somewhere, doing something. 349 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,840 Probably pilfering something. 350 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,160 We didn't call it stealing, we called it pilfering. 351 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,440 But I just loved pilfering more than anybody else, 352 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,520 I just loved to take shit. 353 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,600 I would wrap stuff around me, 354 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:30,720 underneath my overalls, and... 355 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,280 take something home everyday. 356 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,440 I just loved it. 357 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,680 I just loved taking shit, you know? Like... 358 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,000 Sometimes you took it because you need it, 359 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,800 and sometimes you took it just because, just for the hell of it. 360 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,240 But I eventually did get caught, 361 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,040 so I went to court and got fined. 362 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Put on probation or whatever the case would've been. 363 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,880 So I could have for sure went down the wrong path 364 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,320 if I didn't start racing. 365 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:54,840 I knew that's what I wanted to do, 366 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,040 I wanted to be a race car driver. 367 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,960 My first Formula Ford car, my mom had told the bank manager 368 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,120 that my sister Margaret was pregnant and... 369 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,160 and we had to put an extension on the house. 370 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,080 And I stood behind my mother telling her what to say. 371 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,120 And I think it was ยฃ1250. 372 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,360 It was a lot of money! It was a loan! 373 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,440 We just didn't put the extension on the house. 374 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,120 So, it was only small lies. 375 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,200 But I got my car! 376 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,400 When he came on the scene at Mondello, 377 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,640 I was quite surprised. 378 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,200 Here was this small guy. 379 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Very cocky. 380 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,120 No one could quite understand him, 381 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,360 he spoke so quickly, 382 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 and he had a very pronounced Dundalk accent. 383 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,440 I wouldn't say he was like a fish out of water, but... 384 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,800 he came from a background 385 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,200 that normally motor-racing people wouldn't be part of. 386 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,360 So he was a big surprise 387 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:51,800 to that element. 388 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,760 Tommy's face, his personality, his background 389 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880 was always going to be a difficult fit. 390 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,280 It's a very elitist sport, 391 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,960 whereas... Tommy was... 392 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,160 from a very, very poor working-class background. 393 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,880 And so the odds of him succeeding 394 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,600 were very slim. 395 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,080 In 77 was when I went to Mondello, 396 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,080 and I had no idea what I was doing. 397 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,520 And I wouldn't listen to anybody. 398 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:20,960 I thought if smoke wasn't coming off 399 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,280 all four tires, I wasn't doing it right. 400 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,640 There was this kid that looked like a 13 year old 401 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,240 that fell out of the back of a bus. 402 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,800 And he was just flinging the car around 403 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,080 with complete abandon. 404 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,880 And I thought, 405 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,640 "This kid is good, this kid is exceptional." 406 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,240 I had a bunch of friends all coming together, all... 407 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,240 "Oh here we go, this is going to be a new adventure." 408 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,120 And it was. Just... 409 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,680 rednecks, out of sync with everything. 410 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:47,800 But I figured I was passing cars, 411 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,280 so I must be doing something right. 412 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,320 It turns out they were just scared 413 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,040 because a crazy bastard's coming up behind them, 414 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,480 and he's either going to run into them or not, 415 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,720 so they would just let me by. 416 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,240 But I learned my craft by crashing. 417 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,400 I crashed all year in that car. 418 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,480 That car was always coming home in more than one piece. 419 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,280 It left in one piece 420 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,280 and came home in two, three, sometimes... 421 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,400 50 pieces. 422 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,080 And my mom, she'd come out and take a look at it 423 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,200 and she'd go... 424 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,000 "When are you going to quit this nonsense 425 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,200 and get a real job?" 426 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,720 And then I'd just be completely depressed... 427 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,680 go to bed... 428 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:21,960 wake up next morning 429 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,360 with a completely different attitude, 430 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,520 and start again. 431 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:29,680 [soft mellow music] 432 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,240 At that time Bernard Devaney, Derek Daly, 433 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,480 David Kennedy and Eddie Jordan were all in England. 434 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,280 So I read about those guys 435 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,280 and I'd seen pictures of them, so obviously I was thinking, 436 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,760 "Well if they can do it, then I can do it." 437 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,200 So I left Ireland at the end of '78, 438 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,400 and that was it. 439 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,920 Never to look back. 440 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,200 The kid that came over from Ireland to England in '78, 441 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,160 was raw, ragamuffin... chancer. 442 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760 Full of hope, massive talent, 443 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,240 total self-belief, but that was all he had. 444 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,160 My first year away from home, 445 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,760 and I had a pretty rough first half of the year, 446 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,880 that's when I was very nervous a lot 447 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,480 because I didn't win a race. 448 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,200 And we qualify at nine in the morning 449 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,160 and wouldn't race until five o'clock that night. 450 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,160 So all that time no eating, no nothing, just nerves. 451 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,320 Sick to my stomach. 452 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,920 That went on for 20 races. 453 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,320 And eventually I won the race in Nรผrburgring, 454 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,320 so that's when I knew I was as good as I thought I was. 455 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,160 And ever since that day, 456 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,240 I never, ever felt sick to my stomach again, 457 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,880 It was just fun. 458 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,800 For over ten years Formula Ford 459 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,480 has been the essential first rung of the ladder to fame 460 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,040 in single seater racing. 461 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,480 Formula 1 drivers 462 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,160 like James Hunt and Emerson Fittipaldi 463 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,880 started racing at the wheel of a Formula Ford, 464 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,240 which has turned Formula Ford into a proving ground 465 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,720 for future world champions. 466 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,760 So, the way the junior categories work 467 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,480 is that you have professional teams 468 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,720 building the cars, creating the cars, 469 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,040 fielding the cars. 470 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,280 That all costs money. 471 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,200 By and large, the teams 472 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,000 don't go and get drivers. 473 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,960 What happens is the drivers bring the money 474 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:11,560 to the teams to run them. 475 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,560 Whether that's commercial sponsorship, 476 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,080 or family money, or whatever, 477 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,520 it's that that sustains the junior categories 478 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,680 in motor racing. 479 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,520 It's very, very rare that anyone 480 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,960 gets a drive for free, 481 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,800 but Tommy managed to get a drive for free. 482 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,120 Ralph Firman started his own firm, 483 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,640 Van Diemen, in the early '70s. 484 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,240 Van Diemen has won 485 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,280 every major Formula Ford championship 486 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,880 in England since 1977, 487 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,360 and for that you need drivers with talent and nerve. 488 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080 If we feel that we haven't got such a driver, 489 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,880 then we will sponsor one ourselves. 490 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,480 Van Diemen have been very successful 491 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,240 over the years because... 492 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,080 A: Ralph picks winners. 493 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:54,960 And B: He didn't want that winner 494 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,920 in someone else's car, 495 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,120 so he certainly recognized Tommy's talents early. 496 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,480 He knew Tommy didn't have any money, 497 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,600 so you could hardly ask him for money. 498 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,120 If he wanted him in the car, 499 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,360 he was going to have to give him the drive for free. 500 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,040 [car racing past] 501 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,920 Michelle is cooking for the team, 502 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:16,080 she's the best cook on the circuit. 503 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,600 This is the grassroots, really, 504 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,320 of where it all starts in motor racing, isn't it? 505 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,560 For youngsters1 506 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,080 Formula Ford 1600, club racing. 507 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,040 And it's all very much, I suppose, 508 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,320 It's... you know, it's a nice family... 509 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,320 I suppose, thing, too. 510 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,800 -We didn't have these motor homes. -No. 511 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,200 And you can see some of the pictures, 512 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,880 you know, we were in the dirt. 513 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,920 I love Cliff Dempsey Racing, because he's old school. 514 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:41,120 Reminds me... more like Ralph Firman, 515 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,240 all those years ago. 516 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,120 He just doesn't put up with any shit. 517 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,320 And he knows how to take fast drivers, 518 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,080 he's the guy you want to be with. 519 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,880 You put up with a lot with a quick driver 520 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,080 on his faults because he's quick. 521 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,600 He may not have all the things you want, 522 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,400 but if he's quick, you put up with it. 523 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,400 You mean he may not have all the things you want out of the car? 524 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,200 -Exactly. -But in the cockpit. 525 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,880 -He's fast. -When he's everything, you put up with it. 526 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,760 Really good for the first section. 527 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,200 Then we go into the first chicane, 528 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,560 bend really good through there, you bleed in the speeder. 529 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,360 Back in your day 530 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,240 you had to actually use your brain 531 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,480 to drive a race car, 532 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,080 now the guys don't have to do that. 533 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,400 -That's the problem. -I had all that stuff in my head. 534 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,680 They don't have to think as much anymore... 535 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,360 -Because of... -Because of data. 536 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,680 And coming and running with professional teams, 537 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,600 It's not really... Daddy's paying the money, 538 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,520 it doesn't really matter if they don't get a result. 539 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,120 -Exactly. -You know, 540 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,520 they'll come back the next day and they'll be racing anyway. 541 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,960 Whereas when you raced... 542 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,640 if you didn't get a result, 543 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,880 you weren't out the next weekend. 544 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,600 And what's the chances Cliff 545 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,400 of a young kid today getting into F1? 546 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,000 Very slim, I think. 547 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,440 To be honest, I think, you know, 548 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,080 We can kid ourselves and say 549 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,920 "Yeah, you have a chance," but I think it's very slim, 550 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,440 but there are exceptions to every rule. 551 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,920 [melodic music] 552 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,000 And there is the man to watch. 553 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,560 It is 21 year old Tommy Byrne from Dundalk in Ireland, 554 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,080 who has already won 555 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,320 three Formula Ford races this year. 556 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,240 When he came from Ireland, 557 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,800 initially he was quick in the Formula Ford car, 558 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,680 like lightning-quick. 559 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,600 Tommy Byrne is in a class of his own 560 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,160 in Formula Ford racing this year. 561 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,120 A string of wins, 562 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,760 he just has to get into the car and he seems to be on his own. 563 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,040 And in Formula Ford that is... 564 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,360 That was quite impressive 565 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,240 for a guy straight over from a regional championship 566 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,240 to be at that level immediately. 567 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,480 He was winning national Formula Ford races. 568 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,200 Formula Ford championship race here... 569 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,920 I could learn tracks very fast. 570 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,840 I was pretty good at reading 571 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,760 how good the other guys were, and how good I was. 572 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,840 I just knew I had something different. 573 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,240 He instinctively knew what to do. 574 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,200 He would get the best out of the car 575 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,840 no matter what it was doing. 576 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,520 Tommy was the only person that I knew 577 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,760 that was working on his own car. 578 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,600 He had no other support. 579 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,640 Everybody else was coming over, paying for a ride, 580 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,680 expecting to get a full-time mechanic on the car. 581 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Tommy was his own mechanic 582 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,320 and then getting in the car and racing. 583 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,840 He did things with the car that you just... 584 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,240 they weren't possible, you know, 585 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,960 I know about racing cars, I watch racing cars, 586 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,600 and you watched this car going round the track 587 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,560 with this bloke in it, 588 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,000 and he... just... 589 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,200 that shouldn't be possible. 590 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560 Byrne has won race after race this year. 591 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,920 He has really stamped his mark on Formula Ford racing. 592 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,560 It was quite clear he had speed, 593 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,880 and he didn't succumb to any pressure, that's for sure. 594 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,280 So that confidence went into the car. 595 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,160 It wasn't a fake, showy thing, he just had that self-belief. 596 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,160 Jumped in the car, delivered and won 597 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960 the Championship. 598 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,440 There, appropriately enough, is brilliant Tommy Byrne, 599 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,200 the 1980 P&O Ferries 600 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,440 and RAC Formula Ford Championships 601 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,040 champion of 1980. 602 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,600 Tommy arrived in the UK 603 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,480 as a fully formed rebel, 604 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,960 You know, you said, "Rough around the edges," 605 00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,200 he was all edge. 606 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,000 And you knew he was going to go places 607 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,800 because of his prodigious talent. 608 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,160 You just didn't know how high that elevator was going to go 609 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,680 because of his personality. 610 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,960 Would be... 611 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,760 You could see that it would be a limiting factor. 612 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,280 He lived off everybody and he could smile doing it. 613 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,840 He'd order a meal in a restaurant 614 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,360 long before he'd tell you, 615 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,080 "I've no money, will you pay for that?" 616 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,640 He had no place to stay. 617 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,000 He had no car. He had no money for petrol 618 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,720 He had no money for food. 619 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,480 How could you make a living 620 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,760 unless you're supported by family and friends? 621 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,840 The family wasn't in a position to support him. 622 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880 So... he was dependent on the goodwill of others. 623 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,440 We'd go maybe out and have a few beers, 624 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,240 and he'd get up the next morning 625 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,880 and you'd see him walking around with a pair of trousers 626 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,280 that you knew were yours. 627 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,880 You need to get your jacket. 628 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,160 That's going to be the first thing you need. 629 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,280 Jacket's down in the truck. 630 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,840 Tommy loved a drink. 631 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,800 He'd get himself into trouble now and again, 632 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,520 but that was Tommy. 633 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,200 People wanted to be part of Tommy's world. 634 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,560 You'd be out in a bar somewhere 635 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,960 and a girl would be drunk and say, 636 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,480 "Tommy, you're so handsome," and he'd say, 637 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,600 "There's no way I'm handsome. 638 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,920 I might be cute, but I'm certainly not handsome." 639 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,920 There was something that Tommy had 640 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,120 which enabled him to, on the one hand, 641 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,760 be blindingly quick, 642 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,520 but he also had, on the other hand, 643 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,200 another God-given gift, 644 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,160 for which if there was a gold medal for shagging, 645 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,320 he'd have won it time and time again. 646 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,160 As well as the driving on a Sunday morning, 647 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,400 you had to do the partying on a Saturday night. 648 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,720 Girls and parties, 649 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,400 that was all part of the rollercoaster. 650 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,040 He spent more time with girls 651 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,720 when other men were sitting at home studying 652 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,800 every corner and ever gear change 653 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000 that they had done on their day's practice, 654 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,080 Tommy was out that night to see... 655 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,880 could he get a girl? Maybe two. 656 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,640 You didn't get stability with Tommy Byrne, 657 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640 you got chaos, confusion. 658 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,920 Fun... 659 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,760 the best fun you could imagine, but chaos. 660 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,040 I acted a little bit different than... 661 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,520 the other guys getting in the car. 662 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:15,680 I would just get excited, like I was high or something. 663 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,440 I'd just go, "da-da-da-da-da-da" 664 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560 And people just talk, "What the heck is he doing? 665 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,840 He's like all over the place." 666 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,080 I could jump in the car last minute 667 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,360 and still win the race. 668 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,000 [invigorating music] 669 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,680 Some people were frightened of him, 670 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,880 of what he could do. 671 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,600 It was the way he walked through the paddock, 672 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,640 it was the way... 673 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,200 He had a very quick step, 674 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,080 and everything about him was bang, bang, bang. 675 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,600 As a young driver you don't show any weakness, 676 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,040 if you show weakness, you're fucked. 677 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,920 Put the fear of God in them, so they know that... 678 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,480 if they come up behind Tommy Byrne, 679 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,880 it's going to be a problem getting by. 680 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,960 And if Tommy Byrne comes up behind them, 681 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,240 they're in trouble, they better pull over. 682 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,360 That's just the way it is. 683 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,040 The persona he projected to the outside world 684 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,560 was of "I'm the best. 685 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,520 I'm the bollocks." 686 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,000 That obviously... 687 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,800 rubbed some people up the wrong way, 688 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,040 but that was just his persona, that was how he was. 689 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,280 He absolutely believed 690 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,960 that he was the best driver in the world. 691 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,160 Ralph Firman's eagle-eyed talent-spotting 692 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,360 produced Brazilian Ayrton da Silva. 693 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,640 Now the motor-racing world is tipping him 694 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,640 as a future world champion. 695 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,640 With the case of Ayrton and Tommy, 696 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,680 they couldn't have been from more different backgrounds. 697 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,520 One was a millionaire's son, 698 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720 with all the social graces 699 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000 that come from a privileged background, 700 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,840 very at ease in that world. 701 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,400 Whereas... 702 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,720 Tommy came over from Ireland with nothing. 703 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,520 [tranquil music] 704 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,080 [racing car revving] 705 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,720 [fast paced music] 706 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,240 For '81, I was... 707 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,400 Senna's mechanic in the Formula Ford, 708 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,160 working at Van Diemen still. 709 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,320 And then I go home and I was living with Tommy. 710 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,880 So they both had very, very good seasons. 711 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,600 But Senna always had his eye on him. 712 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,080 I'm not going to say he was afraid of Tommy, 713 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,880 he was afraid that he wasn't going to do as well 714 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,680 as Tommy had done the year before. 715 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,680 In 1981, he had these two junior categories. 716 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,360 The entry level, which is Ford 1600, 717 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,720 which was what Senna was doing. 718 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,000 And he was blitzing the opposition there. 719 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,440 Also operating from the Van Diemen factory, 720 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,480 Tommy was doing the same in the next category up, 721 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,640 which was Ford 2000. 722 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,480 He won the two major championships. 723 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,800 There's a British Championship 724 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,400 and there's a European Championship, 725 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,960 and he blitzed them both. 726 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,960 Ayrton would come along and do the exact same thing 727 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,840 one year later. 728 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,440 It's unusual that you get 729 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400 two talents of that caliber come along at the same time. 730 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,040 They don't normally come along like that. 731 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120 And that was... was a problem for both of them. 732 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,240 Senna's nickname was "Fast Man" 733 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,120 because Ralph would talk about, 734 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,760 "There's a fast guy coming from Brazil." 735 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,880 That's what pissed me off, 736 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,280 because they should have been talking about... 737 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,320 I was a fast man, too. 738 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,120 You know? 739 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560 I don't think I got the same respect that... 740 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,040 the guys with the money got, 741 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,200 because, you know, 742 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,800 people can smell when you're broke. 743 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,200 They just... they just know it, you know. 744 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,800 They just smell it, and they know. 745 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,080 And they just want to fuck with you, 746 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,400 and want to treat you a little bit different. 747 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,960 But nobody messes with people with money. 748 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,840 You're just... you're coming over, 749 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,440 you're paying, you better do like you're asked. 750 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,280 How much money do you need 751 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,560 to find every year? 752 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,320 Well, in '81, I would say 753 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,200 around ยฃ20,000, ยฃ30,000, 754 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,080 which is always very difficult to get, 755 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,600 even with good results, 756 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,720 wins and, you know, records, 757 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,280 it's very difficult to get sponsorship. 758 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,520 It caused 759 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,960 particular resentment from Ayrton Senna, 760 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,440 who was bringing significant backing 761 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,280 to Van Diemen, 762 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,640 that Tommy was just hopping from one free drive to the next, 763 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800 and just sort of skipping up the ladder, 764 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,520 seemingly for free. 765 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,600 Senna didn't like the way I conducted myself. 766 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,640 'Cause we were driving for the same team. 767 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,480 He was doing everything right. 768 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,640 I was cocky, he was arrogant. 769 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,280 That was his personality. 770 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,720 He must have had long weeks. 771 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,880 at least I was out having fun during my week waiting to race. 772 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,360 Oh we didn't hit each other, until... 773 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,200 The festival, when I drove his car. 774 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,240 After that, that's when it went wrong. 775 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,560 We move to Brands Hatch 776 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,720 for the most important Formula Ford event 777 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,480 anywhere in the world. 778 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720 The Marlboro Formula Ford Festival 779 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,960 and Formula Ford World Cup. 780 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,600 Before the festival, 781 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,920 Senna announced he was retiring from motor racing 782 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,360 and he was going to go back home to Brazil. 783 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,960 And that was it. 784 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,800 He said he was disenchanted with a sport, 785 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,200 that required drivers to pay, 786 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,640 and I'm sure 787 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,840 Tommy getting his drives for free 788 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,520 initiated that niggle in him. 789 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,400 Ralph at Van Diemen was left in a bit of a spot. 790 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,160 He needed, 791 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,720 for the good of the company, to win that festival. 792 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,120 So he called Tommy up and said, 793 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,120 "Can you come and win the festival for me?" 794 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,040 And Tommy being Tommy, said, "Yeah, 'course I can." 795 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,640 And did... in Ayrton's own car. 796 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,360 I won 100 bottles of champagne, 797 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,040 and I got... 798 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,640 50 of them from Ralph after arguing with him, 799 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,480 I tried to tell him I needed 100 because I won them. 800 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,680 He says, "It's my car." I say, "It's my win." 801 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,400 So we ended up with 50 each, 802 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,240 and I did exactly what I wanted to do. 803 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,960 I wanted to spray the shit everywhere 804 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,880 and just waste it... and that's we did. 805 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360 And drank as much as we needed to get drunk. 806 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,160 That created an opportunity 807 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,120 for Tommy to progress to Formula 3, 808 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440 that he probably wouldn't have got otherwise. 809 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,440 An opportunity that Senna was originally going to have. 810 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,800 So Ayrton had inadvertently 811 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,960 created an opportunity for Tommy 812 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,280 that actually hurt Ayrton, 813 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,880 because it spoiled his plans for doing F3 814 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,680 the following season. 815 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,160 After the festival, 816 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,160 I was still living up in Norfolk at the time, 817 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,240 and Senna's car 818 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,560 was sitting there from the year before, 819 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,760 after he left it there. 820 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,800 And my car would get punctured every now and then. 821 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,080 So instead of fixing the puncture, 822 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,880 I'd just take my wheel off my car 823 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,160 and swap it with Senna's car that was sitting there. 824 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,320 I guess he came back in 1982. 825 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,600 He wasn't supposed to come back, he was supposed to retire. 826 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,120 But he came back and he just burst in there, 827 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680 and started screaming at me for stealing his wheels. 828 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,600 "You fucking Irish thief," and screaming and shouting, 829 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,160 and I'm screaming and shouting back at him. 830 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,080 We didn't come to blows 831 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,400 because somebody came in and stopped it, 832 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,680 but he was very, very angry. 833 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,920 If Senna didn't go home, my career would have been done. 834 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,560 Two championships, I probably wouldn't have got Formula 3. 835 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,160 So I just got lucky, I guess. 836 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,800 That's the racing car show, 837 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,120 back in the day when everyone smoked everywhere. 838 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,680 [chuckle] 839 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,680 Looked a little young there, huh? 840 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,120 That's when you had teeth, too. 841 00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,880 Except they're not chipped! 842 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,000 Quite a lot of new teeth over the years. 843 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,240 "Tommy's gone to lunch, back at two." 844 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,680 Wow, I was actually signing some stuff. 845 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,920 Actually looks like I was famous. 846 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,440 That's me there. There you are. 847 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,760 Where's that, Tip Top? 848 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,680 Well yeah, but we were buying our beer 849 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000 from the Crystal bar next door 850 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,800 -cos it was about a third of the price. -Ah really? 851 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,600 -Do you remember that? -No. 852 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,760 That's one I thought you would have wanted to keep. 853 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,240 Wow, Formula Ford Festival, Brands Hatch, 1981, first place. 854 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,280 When did I give you that? 855 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,080 Well you didn't give it to me, 856 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,880 you asked me to look after it indefinitely. 857 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,920 Somebody's been keeping it nice and polished. 858 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,520 Not like some of my other friends I give them to. 859 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,280 Did you not go in all the way 860 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,240 in the English game and Irish racing game 861 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,160 when somebody wins, it's like, 862 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,680 "Fuck, yeah he might be fast, but he's a bollocks." 863 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,360 Were you thinking that? 864 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,880 I hadn't formed an opinion, that would have been stupid 865 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,640 because I had never met you, but... 866 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,600 the preconceived opinion that a lot of people had 867 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,320 because of... people talking, racing, obviously, 868 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,840 was that you were a really cocky, 869 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,800 up-yourself twat. 870 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,880 Yep, exactly. 871 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,160 But we got on straight away. 872 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,720 Exactly, because you're exactly the same! 873 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,880 [laughing] 874 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:10,760 Why thank you. 875 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,520 Years later, I did think to myself, 876 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,720 "Maybe I should have kept some of those important trophies. 877 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,840 And maybe I should have kept some of the helmets, 878 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,520 just for my kids, if nothing else, you know." 879 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,160 But thanks Stuart, that's great, 880 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,680 at least it's good to see it, it brings back memories. 881 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,000 Oh, shit Stuart, look there. 882 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,080 That's my old car. Holy smoke. 883 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,480 -Hey, guys, what's up? -Haven't seen that for a while. 884 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,600 Hey, Tom, how's it going, buddy? 885 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,840 -Nice to meet you. -How long have you had that? 886 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,120 I think we've had it four years now. 887 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,800 You got my name on it. Look at that. 888 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,680 [vibrant music] 889 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,280 I think I had a nicest seat. 890 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,400 It's, ah... Yeah, it's, ah... I'm probably a... 891 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,360 couple of pounds heavier than you were back in the day. 892 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,840 Back in the day, 893 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,320 I was like Mick Jagger, I was like tiny! 894 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,200 Formula 3 would be the last step, 895 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,400 at the time, before Formula 1. 896 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,640 It was where the F1 team owners and team sponsors 897 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,600 were all looking for the next talent. 898 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,320 Oh, that's truth, I'm looking forward to this. 899 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,160 [revving] 900 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,520 My thought in 1982 was, 901 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600 because I was struggling for money, 902 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,760 "I need to just blitz these guys. 903 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,760 I need to beat them so bad that... 904 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,880 it's not just good enough winning the race, 905 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,080 I need to win by a mile, 906 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,400 so it'll be easy to get the money 907 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,720 to get into Formula 1." 908 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,240 Winning just wasn't good enough. 909 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,840 I had to show them how great I was. 910 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,200 [exhilarating music] 911 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,120 Tommy Byrne knows this race is his now. 912 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,080 Tommy Byrne wins the Marlboro Formula Ford... 913 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,960 So that's what he did, he dominated the early races. 914 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080 This man heading for a 33-point lead in the championship. 915 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,640 Tommy stepped up with Murray Taylor, 916 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,480 who was running a Formula 3 Team at the time, 917 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,360 and this was a category in which 918 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,880 the budgets were much higher. 919 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,120 For someone in Tommy's circumstances, 920 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,840 the prize money for winning each race 921 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,320 would fund the following race. 922 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,880 So he absolutely had to win those early races. 923 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,240 Literally, the prize money was 924 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,120 keeping the team's head above the water. 925 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800 That's an unusually intense degree of pressure. 926 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,480 The fact that Tommy kept winning 927 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,200 and leading the championship 928 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,200 really gave Murray Taylor no option 929 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,400 but to keep supporting him, 930 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,840 finding the money from somewhere 931 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,240 to get the car back to the race track 932 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,480 for the next weekend. 933 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,680 Everybody was running round looking for money, 934 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,040 but we never got any money. 935 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,800 Yeah, a couple of grand here and there. 936 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,400 But Murray got some money from Shell, 937 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,160 and then he got some from General Electric. 938 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,160 Murray, so many different times, says, 939 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,600 "Tom, we can't move, 940 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,760 we can't go on from here, we need to get money." 941 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,920 [revving] 942 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,920 Now, when I was going round Dundalk, 943 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320 getting ยฃ200 off somebody, 944 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,880 and ยฃ300 off somebody for Tommy to go racing, 945 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640 those figures were going from a few hundred quid 946 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,040 to the level, eventually, 947 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:09,040 where he was being asked for 100,000, 200,000. 948 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,600 Then reality started to kick in. 949 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,920 When Murray Taylor was trying to keep that 950 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,920 championship challenge going, 951 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000 he had the idea he could get 952 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,040 Ron Dennis at McLaren 953 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,400 to underwrite the cost of the Formula 3 season 954 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,040 in exchange for first call on Tommy's future services. 955 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,960 You would speculate 956 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,720 McLaren would probably have found 957 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,560 Tommy's raw speed and potential, 958 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,280 vast potential... irresistible. 959 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,200 Ron wanted to know about my father, where he worked, 960 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,080 where my mom worked, which I thought was kind of strange, 961 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,600 because I didn't really see what that had to do with anything. 962 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,880 I told him my dad who worked in a factory for 40 years, 963 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,040 and he got a watch at the end of it. 964 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,640 Hopefully I won't have a watch 965 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,040 at the end of what I'm going to do in my life. 966 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,400 I just remember at the end I asked him, 967 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,280 "Does McLaren have any money to help me out at all?" 968 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,520 And Ron goes, "Well Tommy... 969 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,360 all our money is tied up in R & D at the moment." 970 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,200 I said, "What's R & D?" 971 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,960 And he just looked at me like I was an idiot. 972 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,720 And so that kind of, you know... 973 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,080 was pretty embarrassing for me. 974 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,000 I mean, I wasn't a dick to him, 975 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,160 I just came across as pretty uneducated. 976 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,680 And cocky, probably a little bit, too. 977 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,320 Although Tommy had all the prerequisite... 978 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,480 qualities you need in the car, 979 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,800 his... rough edges were the opposite 980 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,880 of what Ron Dennis was looking for. 981 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,520 That wouldn't have been an overwhelming problem, 982 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,440 had it not been for the fact that Ayrton Senna was... 983 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,160 also on the radar as well. 984 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,240 Tommy couldn't control his destiny 985 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,320 in the way Ayrton could. 986 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,040 He didn't have the background to dictate his own path. 987 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,240 [mellow music] 988 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,280 Unlike other drivers, his friends 989 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,560 put together the pennies, 990 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680 not the pounds, to facilitate 991 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,920 his onward step. 992 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,000 But... 993 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,920 and as that entourage grew, 994 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,160 some of it attracted probably unsavory elements. 995 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,520 Businessmen, 996 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,000 people from all sorts of hazy backgrounds 997 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,640 were intoxicated by the world that Tommy was in. 998 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,040 They latched onto Tommy 999 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,160 and Tommy enjoyed their company and so the... 1000 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,600 the racing world can get a bit sniffy 1001 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,440 about that sort of thing as well. 1002 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,400 He was hustling, he was doing it in the car on his talent, 1003 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,320 and out of the car he was just taking... 1004 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,800 help from wherever he could find it. 1005 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,960 He was attracted to London 1006 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,040 and, I suppose, the nightlife, parties, 1007 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,680 pubs... drinking. 1008 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,400 You know, it's the age old story: 1009 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,920 it's very easy to get sucked into that direction 1010 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,880 and still believe 1011 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,240 that you're doing the right thing for your career 1012 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,560 in racing, because 1013 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,840 why should they be connected? 1014 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:16,840 But they are. 1015 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000 Yeah, I had a bunch of friends, 1016 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,000 just plenty action all the time. 1017 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,120 You know, I could stay nearly anywhere I wanted to, 1018 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,720 with anybody, I was single. 1019 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200 Because I was the life of the party. 1020 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,120 It was either that or don't race. 1021 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,720 He was out partying 1022 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,600 with the people who were helping him pay 1023 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,880 for some of his expenses. 1024 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000 So he felt he didn't have a choice 1025 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,880 but to play with these people as they were playing. 1026 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,920 They were enabling the drugs 1027 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,520 and the alcohol, and he knew it wasn't helping, 1028 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960 but it was the only thing he could do to get to the next race, 1029 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,120 pay the rent, 1030 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,200 buy his next cup of coffee, perhaps. 1031 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080 He was winning well in the first part of the '82 season 1032 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,000 and then it all started going wrong 1033 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,240 when the team took on a paying driver 1034 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,760 to help pay the bills 1035 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,720 and they'd given Tommy's old car to the paid driver. 1036 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,440 Murray gave me a different car. 1037 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,960 I never even came close to winning a race after that. 1038 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480 Six races in a row that I just was nowhere. 1039 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:27,120 So, of course, their answer to the whole thing was: 1040 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,720 "Tommy's lost it." 1041 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,640 And they'd just think: "Oh, Tommy, yeah, 1042 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,840 you must had a beer last night, 1043 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,360 mustn't be feeling too good today." 1044 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,760 That's not the way it was. 1045 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,600 Then the team were not listening to me, that was... 1046 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,800 Then the pressure was getting pretty big for me. 1047 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,800 That was... 1048 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,800 everything was stepping away there. 1049 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,080 He realized that "I'm going to be back home 1050 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,840 unless I succeed in this sport" 1051 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,000 and I think when a driver has that 1052 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,840 in the background, realizing: 1053 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,320 "Listen if you don't cut it this weekend 1054 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,480 this could be your last." 1055 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,760 That's a very strong motivating force. 1056 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,600 I was still leading the championship 1057 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,440 but why should Murray Taylor 1058 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,960 even continue to run me anymore 1059 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,600 if I'm not going to win the Championship? 1060 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640 Cos the only thing he's getting out of it is winning the champ-- 1061 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,040 he had to win the championship. 1062 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,440 to be able to continue and show that he's a great team. 1063 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,160 So it went on and on and then it came to a head. 1064 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,600 I said, "Listen, I'm leaving unless I get a different car." 1065 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,320 And I quit the team with nothing to fall back on. 1066 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,200 And Murray did call me back and, 1067 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,440 eventually, I got a new chassis. 1068 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,040 I fought back. 1069 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,840 Some drivers are fucked, they can't fight back, 1070 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,640 cos they actually... 1071 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,280 start believing what these guys are telling them, you know? 1072 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,160 You start thinking, "Well, maybe they're right." 1073 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,600 That was never a problem for me. I never had to think that. 1074 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,160 They must have hated me. 1075 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,480 But... 1076 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,360 I went to Brands Hatch and absolutely back to normal again. 1077 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,080 Pole position and just took off and nobody even came close to me. 1078 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,000 Tommy Byrne leading into Paddock for the first time. 1079 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,080 I think Brundle was in second place. 1080 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,000 All the heavy hitters, the Formula 1 guys were there, 1081 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,200 so this was the one - every Formula 3 driver 1082 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,200 wants to win the British Grand Prix. 1083 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,600 You've got this feeling that everyone is watching you. 1084 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,160 So this is the one opportunity you have each year 1085 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,600 to go out there and get the job done and again 1086 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,080 Tommy under enormous pressure not only won the race, 1087 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,560 I mean, just took off and left everyone in his dust. 1088 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,440 And I didn't just win the race. I won it by a lot. 1089 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,040 I needed that win. 1090 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,600 I needed it to happen at that time, which it did. 1091 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,800 It was one of my best performances ever I would say. 1092 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,080 The bottom line is if a driver can... 1093 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,600 win races for you, 1094 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,120 you want to have that driver in your team. 1095 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,520 And in spite of his own, 1096 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,240 what I would call "ill discipline," 1097 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,440 Tommy was winning races. 1098 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,680 By winning that race, and to win it that well, 1099 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,120 by over 20 seconds, 1100 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,560 created a lot of interest in Formula 1. 1101 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,120 That's not quite as... 1102 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,440 That was fun. That was a laugh. 1103 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,640 There was one team in particular 1104 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,720 that... took an interest, 1105 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,720 and that was Theodore. 1106 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,320 [somber music] 1107 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,040 They wanted me to drive in Formula 1. 1108 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,320 For the last six races of the year. 1109 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,360 There are usually 10 to 12 teams 1110 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,120 on the grid in the world. 1111 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,680 If you get an opportunity 1112 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,120 to show your talent, you take it. 1113 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,880 So I signed it, 1114 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,520 I remember asking for 40,000 the first year, 1115 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,120 200,000 the second year and half a million the third year 1116 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,640 and Theodore, just laughed at me and basically gave me nothing, 1117 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,720 just expenses. 1118 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,200 Just over four years 1119 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,160 since coming over from Ireland with nothing, 1120 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,680 and now in a Grand Prix. 1121 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,600 Which is an amazing feat. 1122 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,360 That's how far he had come, 1123 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,040 and that was all down to Tommy and his talent, nothing else. 1124 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,680 That he could do that 1125 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,600 without any funding, virtually, 1126 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,720 except the pocket money from fans and friends, 1127 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,240 that could nearly tell you everything you needed to know 1128 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,000 about Tommy's talent. 1129 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,880 [music intensifies] 1130 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,120 I was excited. Very excited. 1131 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920 But it all went to shit fairly quick. 1132 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,320 The car was a piece of shit. 1133 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,600 I wasn't the only driver that said that. 1134 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,120 The other two drivers before me couldn't qualify it. 1135 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,520 Nobody qualified the car. I qualified it, 1136 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,600 I think twice out of five times. 1137 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000 I tried to qualify for Dijon, did not, Hockenheim, did not, 1138 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,360 was just a couple of tenths off, Monza, same thing. 1139 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,720 [racing cars revving] 1140 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,360 Well, when I qualified for a race in Austria 1141 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,720 I was the last person to get in the car 1142 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:42,960 because I was starting last. 1143 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:44,600 And I really... 1144 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,000 I just wasn't impressed at starting last. 1145 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,640 I mean, I know I should have said 1146 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,200 I've been looking forward to this for so long. 1147 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,240 I was kind of looking forward to it, but... 1148 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,840 maybe somewhere up the grid, in a better car. 1149 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,800 So... 1150 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,120 I just wasn't... as excited as some people might have been. 1151 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,840 It was nothing fun. I didn't... 1152 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,760 like the whole situation. 1153 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,080 Nobody spoke to me in Formula 1. 1154 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,360 Niki Lauda said hello 1155 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,520 and Nelson Piquet said hi, that was it. 1156 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,920 Keke Rosberg used to come up and hit me on the head every now and then 1157 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,600 cos I got in his way or something, just a complete dick. 1158 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,320 For three years I won everything. Everything! 1159 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,240 And I had everybody behind me to help me win. 1160 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,120 Now I get in a Formula 1 car and I am last. 1161 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,520 Not only am I last, when I speak to the team manager 1162 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,320 he tells me that if Keke Rosberg was in my car he'd be first. 1163 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,960 Any suggestion I give the team, they didn't listen to me at all. 1164 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,680 Motor racing is a hard tough environment 1165 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,720 and you need a pretty tough skin. 1166 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,400 Sometimes Tommy's skin was a little bit thin 1167 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,320 when he sensed there was any 1168 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,240 disrespect of his ability or his level. 1169 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,160 [somber music resumes] 1170 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,040 For the first time, my ability was being questioned 1171 00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,240 by these guys. 1172 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,640 I was 14th quickest on the Friday practice. 1173 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,680 I thought I might have heard something pop or something at the end. 1174 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,000 I wasn't too sure but I did mention to one of the guys, 1175 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,440 that I, you know, "maybe could you just check on something?" 1176 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,640 Then I did qualifying and I qualified last. 1177 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,320 The Theodore guys, their answer was, 1178 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,920 they brought Jackie Stewart up 1179 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,040 and sent him over to me to tell me how to drive around the track. 1180 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,120 Instead of listening to what I said early on that 1181 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,680 I think I might have heard something pop or something, 1182 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,000 obviously something happened. 1183 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,400 I was pissed. 1184 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,880 Can you imagine somebody... 1185 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,280 coming up to Senna and telling him how to drive, 1186 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,480 how to take a line round the track? 1187 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,640 But I was as nice as could be. 1188 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,080 I did go back to Jo Ramirez and said, 1189 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,920 "Don't you ever fucking send somebody over to me 1190 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,080 to tell me how to drive again." 1191 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,280 What happened to Tommy in his younger years 1192 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,240 informed him to behave in a certain way. 1193 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,880 When he ran in Formula Ford 2000, 1194 00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,480 he had a bad car 1195 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,920 and he had to really work with the team 1196 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,440 and he had to put it to the team, 1197 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,480 "I'm not driving for you, are you changing the car?" 1198 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,360 And they changed the car 1199 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,440 and he became British champion and European champion. 1200 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,880 He then went into Formula 3 1201 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,840 and a similar situation happened. 1202 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,800 The car was not performing well. 1203 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,000 And he put it to them, "it's not me, it's the car, 1204 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,240 you gotta change the car." 1205 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,640 But what he didn't realize is that 1206 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,840 you can't use those same techniques, 1207 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,720 you cannot bludgeon an F1 team into submitting your way. 1208 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,760 Tommy clearly didn't see that. 1209 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,600 The team manager, 1210 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,920 he pissed me off so bad. 1211 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,280 First off, 1212 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,640 actually I did talk to somebody about getting him bumped off 1213 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,080 early on after the first couple of races. 1214 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,080 Maybe I wasn't serious about it 1215 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,200 but I actually did talk to one of my friends 1216 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,920 in London who kind of, possibly, could have done something. 1217 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,560 It was just driving home one day having a couple of beers, 1218 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,040 going, "I wish the fucking guy was gone." 1219 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,800 That's how I was thinking at the time. 1220 00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,120 So at the end of the year 1221 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,680 in Vegas I had a few drinks after the race and 1222 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,280 probably not a good idea either, but... 1223 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,800 we were up at Caesar's Palace in the room 1224 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,360 and I was fucking pissed at him, 1225 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,120 he was still yapping on, about, you know, 1226 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,800 just always, he was just this... 1227 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,000 It was just a bad time for me. 1228 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,600 So I told him to go stick it up his ass 1229 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,520 and threw a chair at him and just, you know 1230 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,240 stormed out of there, and that was it. 1231 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,240 So I was done. Even though... 1232 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:24,400 I was probably done anyway. But I didn't get fired. 1233 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,800 I just left. 1234 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:26,880 I did have a three-year contract. 1235 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,480 I'd rather not be doing Formula 1 1236 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,040 than doing it like that. 1237 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,760 Especially if you haven't got a car that moves forward. 1238 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,160 Basically, you're just hanging on there 1239 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,080 to see how many cars drop out. 1240 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,080 But I knew I had something. I knew I had a talent 1241 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,800 and I could have taken that talent to another team. 1242 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,440 But he came back from Las Vegas, 1243 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,760 from the Grand Prix there, 1244 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,320 to try to win his Formula 3 Championship, 1245 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,880 and the prize for winning that Championship 1246 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,680 was a Formula 1 test with McLaren. 1247 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,000 He felt that it could be the make-or-break opportunity 1248 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,840 of getting into Formula 1 and a top team. 1249 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,480 You know, that was my chance 1250 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,760 to drive one of the winning cars in Formula 1. 1251 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,320 But first I just needed to win the championship. 1252 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,000 Just how important is it winning 1253 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,640 the Marlboro Formula 3 Championship 1254 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,680 series to you in 1982? 1255 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,360 Well, I don't think anyone is going to give up very easy, 1256 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,440 especially not me, 1257 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,560 not after coming all this way. 1258 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,240 And you must remember, I think everyone seems to have forgot 1259 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,200 that I did miss four races out of it. 1260 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,080 That's how close it is. 1261 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,320 First, second, and third. One, two, three. 1262 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,600 Mansilla, Scott, Byrne. 1263 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,680 Into and out of the chicane together. 1264 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,080 I had to finish in front of Quique Mansilla 1265 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,000 to win the Championship. 1266 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,960 Dave's car, every time I got alongside him, 1267 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,920 he just run into me and put me on the grass. 1268 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,000 And he did that sometimes three times per lap. 1269 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:48,320 In different areas. 1270 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,120 And nobody did anything about it. 1271 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,360 If I did that, black flag and brought into the pits, 1272 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,680 end of story. 1273 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,400 But for some reason they let it go. 1274 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,080 ...probably to get out of the car and walk sharply away... 1275 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,200 And then the number one guy was not even getting away 1276 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,320 so I still knew there was a chance, 1277 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:02,720 I just had to get by him 1278 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,320 and I still could win the race. 1279 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,640 ...Scott has got the inside line, they're banging wheels, 1280 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,040 as they go into the straight, 1281 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:08,440 Tommy Byrne he's waving him aside. 1282 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,840 "Move over," he's saying, "let me through." 1283 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,360 "Not likely," says Dave Scott, 1284 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,040 "I'm second and I'm staying there." 1285 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,960 And, ooh... 1286 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,280 Dave Scott locked up his rear wheel. 1287 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,400 Where is Tommy Byrne? I thought that would happen. He's gone through. 1288 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,080 This is it. This is the last lap. 1289 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,120 These are the two championship leaders, 1290 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,600 Quique Mansilla leads the race and the Championship. 1291 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,440 But now Byrne goes through... Magnificent! 1292 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,280 And within half a lap after I passed the other guy, 1293 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,840 I was two seconds a lap quicker on the last lap. 1294 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,840 So they were holding me up that much. 1295 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,800 We won the Championship with a very small budget. 1296 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,200 So it was huge deal. Big, big deal. 1297 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,400 Now I'm going to get to drive for McLaren. 1298 00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,320 [sighing] 1299 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,440 We've got VHS's. 1300 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,320 This one? 1301 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,840 That was probably the most important day of my racing career. 1302 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,800 That's the day I tested the McLaren. 1303 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,440 It was a race-winning Formula 1 car. 1304 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,240 It would be like driving a Mercedes today 1305 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,760 for a young rookie. 1306 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,120 So it was huge. It was just a big, big day. 1307 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,120 Right there I was shitting myself. 1308 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,840 That particular time, right there, 1309 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,120 I definitely was getting worried about the whole thing and all. 1310 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,560 Could I do it? 1311 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,400 It's expensive to run a Formula 1 car. 1312 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,040 It always has been, always will be, 1313 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,160 so when a team puts a car on track for the day 1314 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,640 they are serious about it. 1315 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,040 It's costing them a huge amount of money. 1316 00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:47,000 They're risking their car with a young driver 1317 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,040 that he is not going to stick it in the wall. 1318 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,880 The spotlight's on you. There are no excuses. 1319 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,200 It is a fast, competitive, well proven car from a top team. 1320 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,280 You've got to show your mettle. 1321 00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,800 [revving loudly] 1322 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,960 [dramatic music] 1323 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,160 The car was just... 1324 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,040 Unbelievable! 1325 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,760 It was so easy to drive and just so fast. 1326 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,560 And I was only just getting started. 1327 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,680 The footage of that test shows a car 1328 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,840 being driven beautifully 1329 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,400 on the limit, using every inch of track. 1330 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,520 He's turning in sharply and aggressively but... 1331 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,800 absolutely right on the edge of the car's limits. 1332 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,560 That's what the stopwatch confirmed. 1333 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,360 Tommy's times 1334 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,920 were quicker than the drivers at the time, 1335 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,720 who were John Watson, a multiple Formula 1 winner, 1336 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,960 and three-times world champion Niki Lauda. 1337 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,440 Now, it just doesn't get any better than that. 1338 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,840 You know, he could have gone faster than God! 1339 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,560 He had just done that! 1340 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,640 He'd gone faster than Niki Lauda. 1341 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,600 But what was impressive was he jumped into a car 1342 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,080 which he had never seen before he did the test, 1343 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,760 did a phenomenal lap time. 1344 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,240 I did a time that would have put me on the front row 1345 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,800 of the British Grand Prix 1346 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,840 and with my other car I was last. 1347 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,320 The fact I did a 110.1 1348 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,000 three times in a row, 1349 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,440 which is pretty impossible to do, I'd say that's... 1350 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,240 really consistent, 1351 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,800 certainly people would've been talking about it. 1352 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,200 Certainly! 1353 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,200 He did a 110.1. I couldn't believe it. 1354 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,840 I was there. 1355 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,600 Now, his next job was not to post a better time, 1356 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,640 his next job was to make sure 1357 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,600 that everything around that 10.1 was amazing. 1358 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,080 But that wasn't Tommy. 1359 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,560 I wasn't there in the immediate aftermath 1360 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,280 of when he got out of the cockpit 1361 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,920 and who was listening to him, what he said to the team. 1362 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,160 But I think a story went around that 1363 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,800 he said "if they can go faster than that 1364 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,280 they can take their cucumber sandwiches 1365 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,320 and stick them up their arse" or something, so... 1366 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,960 that sounds about right. 1367 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,360 Tommy insists he never said it. 1368 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,960 But, of course, I didn't say any of that. 1369 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,360 But at this stage the rumor mill was going with "Tommy, you can..." 1370 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,280 I only had to open my mouth 1371 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,400 and somebody would just add what they wanted onto it. 1372 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,520 He did all he had to do from within the cockpit. 1373 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,080 That is all he was required to do. 1374 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,240 He passed with A-star. 1375 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,120 But... it is the out of the car performance 1376 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,440 that, you know, sealed Tommy's fate. 1377 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,840 The management of McLaren 1378 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:30,880 wiped their hands off him. 1379 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,240 [soft wistful music] 1380 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,600 His cocky nature didn't quite sit well 1381 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:35,880 with a very... 1382 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,760 English-minded set-up of Ron Dennis and McLaren, 1383 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,360 which was ultra-corporate, ultra-professional. 1384 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,800 He was far too big a risk. 1385 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,080 Autosport comes out Thursday morning 1386 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,040 and the Motoring News comes out Wednesday night 1387 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,480 and I looked at it and it was like, basically 1388 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,160 a couple of words in one of the magazines 1389 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,120 and the other one said "Byrne, fast but too cocky." 1390 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:06,960 I went, "Shit." 1391 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,160 For once I didn't say a word! 1392 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:11,760 So that was a bit of a let-down, you know? 1393 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,560 I wasn't expecting it, actually. 1394 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,360 Ron Dennis' quotes played down 1395 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,240 the level of Tommy's performance 1396 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,040 and he felt that just confirmed 1397 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,840 that he was never going to get an opportunity from Ron Dennis. 1398 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,440 He felt that he had blown his chance. 1399 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,640 And everything was hanging on that in his mind, 1400 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,200 and when it didn't happen, 1401 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,200 he just threw himself to the wind. 1402 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,040 That was it. 1403 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:39,720 I think at that level, 1404 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,080 Tommy really wasn't one of them. 1405 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,800 He did not fit! 1406 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,160 He did not fit. 1407 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,880 And I would say an awful lot of it down to... 1408 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,880 where he and we started off. 1409 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,840 Going from Dundalk to over there, 1410 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,400 and working his way through. 1411 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,000 He wasn't of the cut 1412 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,840 of some of the more sophisticated people. 1413 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,040 And the Formula 1 men, you know 1414 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,960 it's a small, small group of people 1415 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,560 and I think they closed the book on him. 1416 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,320 The word was put around, 1417 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,880 "Keep him out of here, we don't need him." 1418 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,280 I tried hard 1419 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,200 for four or five years to get to Formula 1 and I did. 1420 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,360 But after that was all over 1421 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,840 and then obviously the drinking, 1422 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:20,880 then, you know... 1423 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,640 the drugs got a little bit more 1424 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,520 and I did some serious partying. 1425 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,200 And I ended up taking enough to kill a buffalo, you know? 1426 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,920 I went out with a photographer friend of mine 1427 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,320 the night before the test 1428 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,960 and he gave me a bunch of this white powder stuff, 1429 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,520 cocaine that he had. 1430 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,560 I'm going to an awards show, now would be a good time to... 1431 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,240 do it again. 1432 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,440 So I snorted up two lines, 1433 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,600 and an hour later, another two lines, just two big huge lines. 1434 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,760 And another two lines later on. 1435 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,560 Still only twelve o'clock in the day. 1436 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,320 [tense music] 1437 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,960 As I got closer to the awards, I had to take a few more lines 1438 00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,840 just to get the same kind of hit that I had earlier on. 1439 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,960 And it's like... I'm wired. 1440 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,760 I'm just all over the place. I'm just... 1441 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,960 And then I just had to keep taking more and more. 1442 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,440 And then when I got to the table 1443 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,520 sitting around I'm just talking to everybody. 1444 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,920 So after, I think I picked up a bunch of prizes, 1445 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,040 I can't snort any more of that cocaine because... 1446 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,120 my nose is hurting so bad. 1447 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,120 So I went to my friend Stuart, 1448 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,040 "Hey, I got a bunch of this cocaine stuff, 1449 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,040 I can't take it anymore, do you want it?" 1450 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,200 Stuart comes back and he says, 1451 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,360 "That's not cocaine, that's speed." 1452 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,800 I went, "Well, you know, speed, cocaine... 1453 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,160 It's the same difference, isn't it?" 1454 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,720 He goes, "No, not really..." 1455 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,440 At this stage, it's too late, I got so much in my system. 1456 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,200 It's three or four o'clock in the morning, I drove back to the house 1457 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,800 where I got the stuff in the first place. 1458 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:48,680 He said, 1459 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,360 "I hope you didn't take much of that stuff, did you?" 1460 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,480 I went, 1461 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,920 "Yes, yes, a lot actually. 1462 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,320 Like half of it." 1463 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,200 "Oh, Jesus Christ, 1464 00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,800 I just took a tiny bit of it and I was up for two days." 1465 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,880 So, he put me in his room. 1466 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,960 There was nothing happening, there's no sleep coming, 1467 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,160 my heart was just racing. 1468 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,120 I just lay there. 1469 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,440 I lay there, I lay there, for three fucking days. 1470 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,960 And depressed. Very, very depressed 1471 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,920 It's like it's... My life was over. 1472 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,040 I'm lucky to be alive, I guess. 1473 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,480 I mean, I was just going through life like... 1474 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:22,960 there was no tomorrow. 1475 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,840 Yeah, don't worry about it. 1476 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,480 We'll have you come in, we'll talk about it, 1477 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,840 We'll take a look and figure it out. 1478 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,480 You're doing fine. 1479 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,640 Tenth and twelfth those guys are. 1480 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:43,720 I got a few ideas. 1481 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,360 The good news is 1482 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,040 you got a bunch of time right there. 1483 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,680 -Step on it, yeah. -The bad news is... 1484 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,320 You made a couple of big mistakes. 1485 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,240 Just... If you can just hit a couple of these marks, 1486 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,480 -there's a lot of time. -Yeah. 1487 01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,880 I think the next time might have been a bit cleaner. 1488 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,800 Okay, well, actually you hit it there, 1489 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,480 and that's a miss, 1490 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,160 and that's middle of the road. 1491 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,680 So right there, there's nearly half a second. 1492 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,760 -Yeah. -You know? 1493 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,400 I'm a professional driver coach, 1494 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,840 I can tell them how to act, obviously, 1495 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,520 and I can tell them where to be on the track. 1496 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,680 I can't do it for them. 1497 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,120 It's up to them then to take that information and go out 1498 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,120 and change it on the track and use it. 1499 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,880 So, good news and bad news. 1500 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,040 If you can fix all that... 1501 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,800 -That's all good news to me. -God knows, yeah, I mean... 1502 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,160 But can you remember it? 1503 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,240 -Yeah. Okay. -You'll be able to remember? 1504 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,560 You're not going to get pissed off when I tell you? 1505 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,320 No, I'm not a sensitive guy. 1506 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,080 Drinking? Is that why you're losing? 1507 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,240 [melodic music] 1508 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,840 European racing is today or nothing. 1509 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:47,760 Americans seem to be... 1510 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,480 I hate to say this about Americans, 1511 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,960 but generally Americans are all about the second chance. 1512 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,240 So here I am in America in 1985, 1513 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,080 starting a whole new career again at the bottom. 1514 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,000 He's still got no money when he went to America. 1515 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,680 He is still scratching about, 1516 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,200 but he is a gun for hire, so he gets opportunities. 1517 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,400 He still thought he would probably end up making 1518 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,080 his millions in motor racing somehow. 1519 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,720 This time I wasn't quite as serious, 1520 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,480 so, maybe a little bit more partying. 1521 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,680 Actually, I started to enjoy racing a little bit. 1522 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,120 The feeder series to IndyCar, 1523 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,560 Indy Lights, or ARS, as it was initially called, 1524 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,760 Tommy did very well and he wasn't in the best cars, 1525 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,680 wasn't in the best teams. 1526 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,560 He takes pretty much any opportunity that anybody offers him 1527 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,760 and he makes good use of them and he does well. 1528 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,400 In turn number 11, his final pass through here, 1529 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,880 this is the man who is going to win the race, 1530 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,880 Tommy Byrne charges the line and takes the checkered flag. 1531 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:51,480 It's going to be fun. 1532 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:52,880 I'm used to that. 1533 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,000 Tommy enjoyed the American adventure and... 1534 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,480 the parties and the lifestyle. 1535 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,520 I won a bunch of races hung over in America. 1536 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,480 It was just a matter of, you know, 1537 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,080 just... having a bit of fun 1538 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,920 and winning some races at the same time. 1539 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,280 He just hung it out there, 1540 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,880 and wasn't afraid to tell you what he thought. 1541 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,400 And, guess what? That is what I liked 1542 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,320 about Tommy from the very first day. 1543 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,720 There's wasn't a lot of guys who were earning money, 1544 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,440 maybe two or three others in ARS/Indy Lights Championship, 1545 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,280 so Tommy was, you know, 1546 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,200 knocking down a nice bit of coin each year. 1547 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,680 I didn't get it. 1548 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,400 I thought it was a big mistake. 1549 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,560 I think he should have stayed in Europe. 1550 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,520 For me, there is no way you can come from there 1551 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:36,960 and go back to Formula 1. 1552 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,200 You know, if you are good enough, 1553 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,800 and if you are fast enough, and certainly Tommy was, 1554 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,520 a little window of opportunity will always open. 1555 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:46,720 It always does. 1556 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,920 By the time Ayrton Senna left Lotus, 1557 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,480 he actually put a word in 1558 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,800 to the Lotus boss, Peter Warr, 1559 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,440 that he should look at Tommy, 1560 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,320 but Tommy's exploits in America didn't even register. 1561 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,600 Eddie Jordan kind of half convinced me 1562 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,920 that there was a chance of me still getting into a Formula 1 car. 1563 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,160 I think we talked to one team, Tyrrell, 1564 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,640 and I think they wanted a couple of million pounds, 1565 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,760 so, I mean, it just wasn't going to happen. 1566 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,680 I went over and back to Tommy a lot in America. 1567 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,640 He would enjoy himself. He would... 1568 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,280 talk about the dreams that he still would have, 1569 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:24,560 and his dreams now... 1570 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,720 After Tommy didn't make it in Formula 1, 1571 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,400 his dreams went into other things. 1572 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,400 Different things that he would say, 1573 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:34,680 "I am going to do in life." 1574 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,960 This is my old house. 1575 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,840 Got married and I bought this '87. 1576 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,520 When I came back from racing, this was my haven. 1577 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,560 I loved it. 1578 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,440 Well... 1579 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:10,960 This place hasn't changed much! 1580 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,200 Fifteen years, huh? 1581 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:18,920 Last time I was here. 1582 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,440 Spent a lot of good years here, ten good years. 1583 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:24,760 You know? 1584 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,800 Kind of sad. Sad and happy. 1585 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,760 Or happy and sad. Yeah, look at that tiki hut. 1586 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,320 They are under there. 1587 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,640 [child laughing] 1588 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,320 [nostalgic music] 1589 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,120 [mimicking revving] 1590 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,640 [laughing] 1591 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:56,800 This is my home. My kids... 1592 01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,280 grew up here, on the lake. 1593 01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,640 They learned how to swim here. 1594 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:01,560 These guys would run around naked. 1595 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:02,960 It was just, it was perfect. 1596 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,440 It represents what I always wanted in America. 1597 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,480 When I was doing really well, 1598 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,760 we had parties here, down here on the beach, 1599 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,360 and this was the life. 1600 01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,320 I just went racing and came back to this. 1601 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:24,600 It was... 1602 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,680 It can't get much better. It was brilliant. 1603 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,240 In America, I only made half the effort. 1604 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,800 Half my effort was okay. 1605 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,960 You always think you're going to get $1 million, 1606 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,720 there's still always a chance, you know. 1607 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,160 I was only one deal away from the big time. 1608 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,280 Are we ever going to see Tommy Byrne in an IndyCar in the near future? 1609 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,840 I hope so. 1610 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,440 I'd like to get into an IndyCar and maybe do well, 1611 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,800 rather than just get into a car 1612 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,160 just to say, "Hi, I drive IndyCars." 1613 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,240 I'd like to do well, it would be nice to get into a good IndyCar team. 1614 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,400 If you think about any category 1615 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,440 of major motor sports in the world today, 1616 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,480 you have IndyCar, 24 seats, 1617 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,520 you have Formula 1, 22 seats right now. 1618 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,200 Sports car racing, eight to ten seats. 1619 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,480 The total amount of that is less than 50 drives available globally 1620 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,440 at any point in time, no matter what generation it is. 1621 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,080 That's not very many. 1622 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,040 These people have been lining up for the last two hours 1623 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,120 to get an autograph from these drivers. 1624 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,320 These guys have to do what they're told 1625 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,440 to a certain extent for the sponsors. 1626 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:33,720 You're going to piss off somebody 1627 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,640 if you try to be your own personality, 1628 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,720 so, basically it's all fake. 1629 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,520 There's only a small number of teams 1630 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,160 in IndyCar that have the finance 1631 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,840 to take on a driver, 1632 01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,000 and Tommy would have come with a name. 1633 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,600 Other young kids in America that were coming through 1634 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,440 were dedicating their life to it, 1635 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,920 but for Tommy, it was something he did at the weekend. 1636 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,760 Not from Monday morning at eight o'clock when you got up, 1637 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,640 "How do I be a better racing driver?" 1638 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,080 That was a question he probably didn't ask himself, ever. 1639 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,760 I can't do this alone, this is not... 1640 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,560 Tommy was always running at the front, he'd always win 1641 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,280 two, three, four races a year. 1642 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,280 Tommy was always a factor every weekend, 1643 01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,840 but winning the Championship would have been 1644 01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,640 the leap that he needed to get into IndyCar. 1645 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,480 I've been gloved within an hour, 1646 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,560 we'll know who the new ARS champion is. 1647 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,400 In the three years I did full-time ARS was '87, '88 and '89, 1648 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,800 and I was going into the last race every time 1649 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,840 with a chance of winning the Championship. 1650 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,360 Tommy Byrne is really Mr. ARS. 1651 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,800 He's run every year of ARS 1652 01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,880 and he has done just about everything that you can do. 1653 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,360 He knows he has a chance 1654 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,000 to really go and win the Championship, 1655 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,920 he's been trying for it for four years. 1656 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,680 I was leading the race, 1657 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,520 the last race of the year in California, 1658 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,400 and I was driving the shit out of it. 1659 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,280 But this is the battle that's been joined 1660 01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:58,960 since the drop of the green flag. 1661 01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,920 Gary, something has happened directly behind you. 1662 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,200 It looks as if one car has gone off the course out of turn number 11. 1663 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,000 John, does it involve Byrne, maybe? 1664 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,880 I think something's wrong with Byrne. 1665 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,960 I don't know how Arthur Abrahams got over on that part of the... 1666 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,520 Oh, Tommy Byrne has nowhere to go. 1667 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:15,880 Arthur Abrahams... 1668 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,600 And your thoughts at that point 1669 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,160 when you realized you were about to lose the Championship? 1670 01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,840 I don't think I can say it on TV. 1671 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,400 Oh, bleep! [laughing] 1672 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,720 So that day I lost the Championship 1673 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,120 and $80,000 1674 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,920 and the Triple Crown, and... I lost a lot, 1675 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,560 and the chance to get into IndyCars. 1676 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,000 You know... So I lost it all in one day. 1677 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,600 It just wasn't to be. 1678 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,760 I don't think we ever had a conversation 1679 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,960 that just said, "Hey, where are we going here?" 1680 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,440 Is this our life? 1681 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,960 Are we going to be able to maintain our position in motor racing? 1682 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,000 I think... 1683 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,200 I think I realized it a little bit sooner than Tommy, 1684 01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,480 I mean, he was able, through his results, 1685 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,960 to keep the ball rolling a little bit longer. 1686 01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:57,360 I kind of peeled off the track a little bit before Tommy did. 1687 01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:58,880 ...right on level. 1688 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,920 I should have stopped, you know, in '89 and got a job. 1689 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,520 It just wasn't to be. And at that stage now, '90, '91, 1690 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,520 I do a couple of half-assed races 1691 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,600 and when I was lapped by my team-mate, 1692 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,160 Vince Neil from Motley Crue, 1693 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,000 I knew it was kind of all over at that point. 1694 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,560 And then, that was it. 1695 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,880 Probably started drinking a little bit too much at that stage 1696 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:30,360 and smoking the pot. 1697 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,040 I would say at the end, I was just worn down at that stage. 1698 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,080 Things weren't going too good at home, 1699 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,880 you know, with my wife. It's like... 1700 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,440 ...in his room. Taylor! 1701 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,760 There was some issues, you know. I was coming to the end. 1702 01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,080 And it was just... always hanging over your head, you know. 1703 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,640 And no money whatsoever. Hadn't got a pot to piss in. 1704 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,120 So I had to do something. 1705 01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,800 You had different categories across the globe, 1706 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,040 you would have Formula 1 at the epicenter 1707 01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:03,440 of world motorsport. 1708 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,280 You'd have IndyCar in America 1709 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,320 and then as you come down the ladder 1710 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,640 to the different categories that you would parachute out to, 1711 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,760 and you'd then drop down to another level 1712 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,320 and then another level, 1713 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,240 and then somewhere below all those levels 1714 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,320 was racing in Mexico. 1715 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,040 [complex music] 1716 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,840 I got a phone call from Alberto Lozano, my team owner. 1717 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,640 He kind of invited me down 1718 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,120 and he ended up giving me $2,000 a race 1719 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,120 and the full mini bar and all expenses. 1720 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,240 So, I mean, I was making decent money. 1721 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,080 Took a very dark turn in Mexico 1722 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,080 because the sort of characters 1723 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,920 that were able to fund Tommy's racing were... 1724 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:47,800 unusual. 1725 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,280 I was only in Mexico. 1726 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,440 The first visit, I met this guy, Orchio. 1727 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,760 But I would just mention to Orchio that 1728 01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:58,560 if we had an Italian engine, 1729 01:11:58,760 --> 01:11:59,840 I think we could win that next race. 1730 01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,360 So then, he would go to my team owner 1731 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,920 and buy the $30,000 engine. 1732 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,800 So he put a lot of money into the team that way. 1733 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,240 Don't ask where the money came from and... 1734 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,360 don't ask about the lifestyle around it, 1735 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,000 but Tommy had to fit in with that in order to... 1736 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,120 continue getting drives, 1737 01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,880 which he happily did 1738 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,840 until it got too crazy even for Tommy. 1739 01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:30,120 Pretty good. 1740 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,520 Mexico was just a total mess. 1741 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,840 It was just partying and whores. 1742 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,480 That's all Mexico was. 1743 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,720 But he wasn't paying for whores, I can assure you. 1744 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,600 Somebody else was. 1745 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,720 It was very, very crazy. 1746 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:49,880 It was a lot of drinking down there, 1747 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,320 a lot of partying down there. 1748 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,280 Just lots of it. 1749 01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:54,680 And they're very wealthy. 1750 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,520 I just went along with it. What I was supposed to do? 1751 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,480 There was a room 1752 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:01,960 that you nearly could not get into 1753 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,640 because of boxes of beer in the house, 1754 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,200 all got to do with his sponsorship. 1755 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,800 The guy was living an oblivious life at that point. 1756 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,560 Where he thought he should be 1757 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,240 was world champion, and here he was, 1758 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:21,480 he was stuck in a rut with a drug baron in Mexico, 1759 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,360 not really a nice place to be. 1760 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,080 His contemporaries, who he'd completely blown away, 1761 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,840 were now F1 drivers, earning vast fortunes. 1762 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,640 So that would have hurt and that kept the wounds alive. 1763 01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,000 I can't think of a driver that was at Tommy's level 1764 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,360 that's ever ended up 1765 01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,720 on the margins of racing like that. 1766 01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,800 He fell probably further than anybody's fallen. 1767 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,760 Probably could have stayed in Mexico longer, 1768 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,160 except Orchio had his... 1769 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,280 We had a bunch of girls in the house 1770 01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,680 and next thing is we hear gunshots upstairs. 1771 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,520 And then Orchio comes to the top of the stairway, 1772 01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:04,320 completely naked, 1773 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,200 and he's got a gun in his hand. 1774 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,480 And I'm going, "Jesus, Orchio, ยฟquรฉ pasa? 1775 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:10,880 You crazy..." He goes... 1776 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,680 [gunshot] And he shoots at me and missed. 1777 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,160 And the girls are running down the stairway, naked, 1778 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,800 tits are flying everywhere. 1779 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,120 And they're running past me, "Tommy, help me, help me! 1780 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:21,840 He's loco ! Very loco !" 1781 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,280 And that was, "To hell with this." 1782 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:25,960 I turned round back in the room and locked the door. 1783 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,960 That's when I left and I didn't go back. 1784 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,560 And then Alberto called me two weeks later 1785 01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,360 and he said that Orchio was dead. 1786 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,120 Yeah... He drowned in his swimming pool. 1787 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,800 [somber music] 1788 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,880 When I came back from Mexico, 1789 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,480 it was over, I didn't race again. 1790 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,520 Most of your life's behind you 1791 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,800 and it didn't work out the way it should have. 1792 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,640 There's no more racing, there's no more winning 1793 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,640 and then our relationship was gone to shit. 1794 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,080 We were done. 1795 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,440 And then, it all fell apart... here. 1796 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,480 People get fed up, you're complaining, 1797 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,000 you're calling people, boo-hoo. 1798 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,280 You know, lost my wife, she left me, and.. 1799 01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:32,920 People really don't care, you know, 1800 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,280 I was one of those boo-hoo type guys. 1801 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:37,360 Well, I did all the begging. 1802 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,160 I did use all that stuff, "Please come back," 1803 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,320 you know... da-da-da-da-dah 1804 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:41,720 That didn't work. 1805 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,080 I didn't have the kids for a while 1806 01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:45,720 because they were with their mum, and it was hard. 1807 01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,000 Just lying there on the couch with my beer 1808 01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,880 and you'd look over and they weren't there anyone. 1809 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,720 That was probably the worst part for me. 1810 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,200 I went out to visit him 1811 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,200 and he was living in a caravan beside a lake, 1812 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,000 and he didn't want me to come with him 1813 01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,840 'cos he didn't want me to see what he was doing 1814 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,280 and he was gathering ferns, he was working as a laborer. 1815 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,320 I just couldn't get going, 1816 01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,800 I just couldn't get going. It was easier to drink and smoke pot 1817 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,320 and do my work out in the woods 1818 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,440 than it was to, you know, 1819 01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,880 to go back 1820 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,520 looking for racing jobs, go back on the road. 1821 01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:23,440 He says to me, 1822 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,840 "You probably think I'm a failure. 1823 01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,520 You probably think I'm a terrible failure." And I said, "Tommy, 1824 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,280 we've all got things 1825 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,680 that haven't worked out for us in our lives, 1826 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,520 the dice might not have rolled well. 1827 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,800 But everybody respects the talent you have, 1828 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,960 everybody respects what you've done, 1829 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,520 and more than that, it's you that you like, 1830 01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,880 not the fact that you drove a bloody Formula 1 car." 1831 01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:45,960 [thundering] 1832 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,080 He was very low. 1833 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,760 I don't know how he really got himself back together. 1834 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,360 I just really don't know. 1835 01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,160 [thundering continues] 1836 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,680 I was losing my kids, you know. 1837 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:02,840 Even though in the end I ended up 1838 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,360 getting custody of the kids, 1839 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,520 but it was rough. 1840 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:07,920 It was nothing... 1841 01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:12,080 That's when I needed some stability, job-wise. 1842 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,680 [somber music continues] 1843 01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:21,600 When I started working with him, 1844 01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,880 here at the Mid Ohio Sports Car course at the school, 1845 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,480 he was still a pretty bitter guy. 1846 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,360 It was hard for him to still kind of admit 1847 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,360 that his racing career is over. 1848 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,160 And maybe Tommy coming into that group of guys 1849 01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,520 who were so comfortable with saying, 1850 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,440 "Yeah, we used to do that," 1851 01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,800 it kind of let him realize that the past was the past. 1852 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,680 And I think that in and of itself 1853 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,720 added stability to Tommy's life, and it... 1854 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,560 It's probably not too far out to say it... 1855 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:52,960 it could have saved his life. 1856 01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,200 In '94, when I started working with Ohio, 1857 01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,480 sometimes I would do... 1858 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,720 I think I did 120 days one year 1859 01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,200 and then I was starting to do some 1860 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,840 little bit coaching on the side. 1861 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,160 The thing was that, in '94, '95, things were getting better 1862 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,600 and the house was gone, renting and stuff, 1863 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,200 so things were, for sure, picking up. 1864 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:15,840 And then, of course, I met Michelle. 1865 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,440 And that was my old girlfriend of mine from '84. 1866 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,040 I met her again and then things obviously got 1867 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:25,560 a lot better with her. 1868 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,640 The boys were there, growing up, it was kind of cool. 1869 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,280 In 1998, we met again, and... 1870 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,320 he was more serious, Tommy, still joked around. 1871 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,040 But there was an underlying seriousness, 1872 01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,640 maybe a sadness. 1873 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,720 But I don't think that that sadness 1874 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,040 is following him around now. 1875 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,080 I'll wear it tonight. 1876 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,960 As time went on, I think he started realizing 1877 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,160 maybe how he should have handled his career, 1878 01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:56,760 what he should have done. 1879 01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,000 But I think he's able to let that go. 1880 01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,520 But you know what? 1881 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,280 I personally don't think he's ever going to get away from it. 1882 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,040 But the racing is part of him. 1883 01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:07,840 It will always be part of him. 1884 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,400 I don't think he can ever... 1885 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:10,880 He cannot box it up 1886 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:12,840 and put it away like memorabilia. 1887 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:14,640 It's part of him. 1888 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,560 A lot of people think I'm a millionaire. 1889 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:18,840 Aren't you a millionaire? 1890 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,800 No. Not really. 1891 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,160 I'm just giving an example of... 1892 01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,640 what it's like sometimes being sort of a superstar. 1893 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,800 But I don't think I am alone. 1894 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,160 Yet. 1895 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,040 [complex music] 1896 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,040 It's very easy to be critical 1897 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,360 of the things around Tommy 1898 01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,440 that didn't give Tommy what he needed, 1899 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,440 You have to ask you a question. 1900 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:49,960 Did he not wanted that badly? 1901 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,040 Did he give up everything for it? 1902 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,800 Sometimes you just have to play the game. 1903 01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,200 I often ask, "Did Tommy ever play the game well enough?" 1904 01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,040 I did chase. 1905 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,800 I just didn't chase their way. 1906 01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,760 I had my way of doing it. 1907 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,320 Every day I thought about getting to the next level, 1908 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:29,680 every fucking day. 1909 01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,400 I just did it a different way. 1910 01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:33,720 I do know one thing. 1911 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:34,800 Nobody gives a shit. 1912 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:36,920 I was pissed off too long. 1913 01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,720 I'm worn out, it's time to move on, 1914 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:41,720 because I'm not pissed off anymore. 1915 01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,360 I met a lot of people on my way and I made a lot of friends. 1916 01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,720 It hasn't been a terrible life. 1917 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,280 I just lost out on about $100 million. 1918 01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:55,000 That's all. 137464

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