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I beg you to consider the Urgent

necessity of this disputation why

because I believe the previous

disputations have been mismanaged your

majesty in what way

the chief mistake has been that we have

attempted to dispute with the Jews

without sufficient knowledge of the

Jewish mind

I may remind your majesty that we have

not been entirely unsuccessful

we have converted some learned Jews who

are now ornaments of our Academy and I

refer particularly

to our cherished brother

Pablo Cristiani

it is he

a converted Jew himself

who will represent Christianity at this

disputation

not yourself

don't overestimate me Your Majesty if I

led this disputation it would have no

chance of success

they must be led to Christ by one of

themselves

Pablo Christiane will gather the remnant

of Israel into the arms of mother Church

and the prophecy of the Blessed Paul

will be fulfilled

and the last days will come

and Christ's Messiah will descend upon

the Earth

bless his great servant King James of

Aragon

by whose wisdom and virtue

this disputation came about

and all my sins will be forgiven

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it's unusual to get a word of Praise

from you Yolanda now you will be

remembered as a great king

a great Catholic King

and not as a Jew loving whoremonger

best show your love for the Jews by

trying to save their souls

last you are giving some thought to your

own salvation

one day we'll even

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I know that she was a great deal better

than Newton it would take a miracle

unfortunately my Affairs are not being

handled as well now as they were when

the Jews were looking after them

oh a noblemen are Godly Christians but

as organizers it's a spiritual Affairs

of your kingdom are in good order James

a little disorder immaterial matters can

soon be corrected

and what if the disputation fails to

convert the Jew

Christianity knows the talmud so well he

will convert the rabbi and the rest will

follow

Rabbi or they have one whom they Revere

especially

I don't think the Jews revered anybody

very much and true

the Jews have in general theoretical

sense of reverence reverence is a

Christian virtue

yet sometimes it appears among them

someone whom they admire

and then their devotion is great

such a man exists now

who is this man Rabbi Moses Ben nachman

we are convinced that Rabbi Moses is the

key

if he has converted all the rest of the

Jews will follow and what if you failed

to convert this remarkable Rabbi then we

must think of other means

your love for the Jews is great indeed

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all solicitations to the Brethren

working for the conversion of the

followers of Muhammad in Algeria may God

reward your efforts your loving brother

in Christ Etc have that copied and ready

for signature

brother Pablo I am sorry to have kept

you waiting

Amen brother Raymond your concerns are

for the whole of Christendom and far

beyond

if my plans become two grandiose

I shall be grateful for any criticism

you may have to offer brother Pablo

perhaps we're placing too much Reliance

on the power to reason brother Raymond

the muhammadans and the Jews may not

after all be moved by reason

not feeling doubtful about the

disputation I not at all it's just that

I think perhaps my view of its purpose

may be different to yours

what do you mean

I see it more as a way of exerting

pressure

but reason exerts the greatest pressure

good reasons count for nothing unless

they are backed by power was it the

power of the church then rather than its

argument that turned you from a Jew to a

Christian power is an argument

it was the power of the church in France

that forced my family to flee to Spain

Massacre is an argument the Jews in

Aragon have yet to face

as the French have different methods

French King says that the only way to

dispute with the Jew is to drive a

dagger into him

he is perhaps too zealous but at least

the Jews in France know where they stand

he makes them all wear a yellow badge

yes I believe you had a hand in that

there would be no undue pressure in this

our disputation no threats no bullying

you understand yes

for the present we must proceed with

caution

but it'll be no kindness to the Jews in

the long run to go on feeding their

illusions

God has turned his favor away from them

they are swimming against the tide of

History

they must be made to realize that

Christ's Church has the power and the

glory forever

you make a fine Archbishop one day

another Pablo

but for the present

Shall We Begin our preparation

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thank you

I love you

I'll give you up

this is sin a mortal sin do you

understand

of course I do

to make me

My Religion comforts me

it doesn't comfort me it frightens me

you frightened

the Conqueror of the Moors

I can face an army of Moors but I can't

face hell but isn't that just what the

church is for

to save us from hell but we have to

repent too I repent

we couldn't be like this

Church to save us just like the Jews

is that why we want to convert the Jews

Consuelo to turn them into sinful

Christians like us Oh They'll Never Be

converted

there have to be Jews haven't they

they're part of the world

just like the devil now you couldn't

convert the devil could you

perhaps

oh no that would put the pope and all

the priests out of the job what about my

disputation then

about it saying it's going to be a

complete waste of time no

Let It Be oh you said it was impossible

to convert the Jews I'm sorry

so it's everything there is to know

about magic

there is nothing they cannot do

except defeat the power of the cross

you are a silly superstitious

beautiful woman Consuela

they are just ordinary people who happen

to be wrong on certain points of

Theology and we are going to put them

right

we shall rescue them from the power of

the devil and we shall turn them into

good Christians

some of us Christians

what do you mean

how we Christians safe from hell

only by the death of our beloved Lord

Jesus

now if he had not been crucified none of

us would have been saved isn't that so

well

who killed Jesus the Jews so while the

Jews become Christians who will crucify

Jesus for us

he was certainly an original Theologian

Consuelo

which you are mistaken

when the Jews have been converted

Christ will come again

a day of judgment will take place and

the reign of the Saints will begin

you want the day of judgment to take

place do I want

the second coming of Christ

doesn't every Christian want that I

don't I prefer things just the way they

are with Christ to save us and the Jews

to carry the burden by being much more

wicked than we are you're an ignorant

woman

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of course

if I am to be a part of God's plan

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hits don't feel right for me

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I've heard much about you

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if I can be the humble instrument for

the enlightenment of my erring nation I

shall not have lived in vain

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were you always a rabbi I'm not quite a

rabbi your majesty before I completed my

training in the talmud I had realized

that many sayings many Jewish writings

testify to God's plan to fulfill Judaism

in Christianity

for a long time I had been oppressed by

the feeling that the Jews have been

rejected by God as I search the texts

further and further every step confirmed

that view I hope fervently to lead my

brothers along that same path it will be

a blessed work Pablo Cristiani have you

completed your preparations for the

disputation not quite your majesty when

you were a Jew Were You by a chance a

physician I have this damn book no sir

I'm I never had any training in that art

your majesties

Rabbi Moses has arrived

he will be able to meet your opponent

brother Pablo your majesty is most

considerate his promises to be a most

interesting contest I would beg you to

adopt a more serious attitude towards

this disputation this is not a

between your nights you are of course

quite right Yolanda but one cannot help

taking a certain spotting interest the

Majesty is

may I presents Rabbi Moses of Girona you

are most welcome Rabbi Moses

I have heard that you are a person well

worthy of the honor of representing the

Jewish community in our disputation with

respect to a Majesty it is an honor I

would much prefer to decline

we are disappointed in new rabbi

as the opposition frighten you not at

all your majesty I'm not afraid of

opposition nor am I averse to

disputations I've been engaged in

disputations all my life what is your

objection then when the lion invites the

mouse to a disputation your majesty the

mouse however formed he may be of

arguing would do well to avoid the

disputation if you can but the poor

Mouse does not know which to fear most

losing the argument or winning it

what are you afraid of Rabbi there have

been other disputations your majesty and

they have always ended in suffering for

the Jewish people in Paris recently we

are not

Barbara is French

we know the rules of fair play

I guarantee your safety and that of your

fellow Jews during and after the

disputation

I thank your majesty and accept your

assurance

I wish now to raise another point in the

other disputations many rules were laid

down about what the Jewish disputants

were allowed to say

instead

it was necessary of course to lay down

some rules otherwise the Jewish

disputants might have uttered some

shocking blasphemies

may I ask the learner brother Raymond

your majesty whether he intends to lay

down such rules for the present

disputation only a few of your majesty

it is necessary to ensure that no

blasphemers be uttered against the

person of our blessed Lord and savior

not against his Blessed Mother the

Virgin Mary I'm afraid if I'm to

represent the case for Judaism

adequately I cannot undertake to avoid

remarks which to the Christian might

appear blasphemous

rabbi's right

you may use whichever arguments you

choose

you have complete Liberty of speech

I thank you Majesty

I hope you will not use this Liberty to

revile and blaspheme Christianity I am

aware of the rules of common courtesy I

hope you will enter the disputation

Rabbi Moses with a mind open to the

truth I enter the contest with the mind

as open as your own brother Raymond

by which he means Raymond that you and

brother Pablo must entertain the

possibility of being converted to

Judaism

by the way Rabbi may I introduce you to

your antagonist brother Pablo christiani

who was once of your faith

I am honored to have such an antagonist

as Yura by Moses I look forward with

interest to your arguments

may God bless our disputation and bring

it to a good conclusion amen

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Bishops Lords by order of his Christian

Majesty King James we begin today a

disputation between Christianity and

Judaism

his Majesty's object in holding this

disputation

is to draw his Jewish subjects to Christ

by reason and persuasion

speaking for Christianity is brother

Pablo Cristiani

and for Judaism

Rabbi Moses Ben Nathan

Rabbi Moses

your Majesty's

I too believe that reason is alone

sufficient to settle these matters as my

first contribution I should like to

suggest certain lines on which the

discussion should proceed I suggest we

should devote ourselves to two questions

which in my view are the most vital

what are they Rabbi the first question

is is the Messiah come or is he Yet to

Come the second question is the messiah

prophesied in scriptures a man or a

Divine being

you agree with this proposal brother

Pablo I do your majesty

I'm astonished that we have reached

agreement on Presidio so rapidly there

is one point I wish to raise your

majesty yes Rabbi Moses has referred to

prophecy in scripture but not to the

talmud

if I may explain the talmud is the book

of Jewish Traditions which date to a

Time long before the birth of Christ it

explains the laws and stories and

Prophecies of the Old Testament in such

a thoroughgoing way that the Jewish

faith without it would be shown of a

great deal of its content it is my

contention that the town would also

proves that the Divine Messiah has come

Rabbi Moses do you agree that the talmud

should be brought into this discussion I

have no objection your majesty

however I should like to give brother

Pablo a friendly warning which may save

him a great deal of time and trouble it

is simply that we Jews do not always

agree with everything we find in the

talmud but do you not accept that the

talmud is a holy book to the Jews I do

but the talmud is a record of

discussions these discussions took place

between rabbis over the course of about

500 years on every aspect of Jewish

religion obviously when two rabbis

disagree which happens on every page of

the talmud both cannot be accepted as

right consequently many sayings in the

talmud are not accepted by the Jews

see moreover your majesty there is

another point to be considered

it is only the legal parts of the talmud

the halaka the Jews consider binding the

non-legal Parts the Haggadah being

poetical and open to various

interpretations are not considered

binding the subject of the Messiah

belongs to the poetical part of the

talmud this is a very strange holy book

The talmud is a holy book but not what

Christians mean by a holy book but what

about the Bible do you not accept that

the Bible is a holy book more so even

than the talmud yes but then we are

seldom sure what the Bible means that is

what the discussions in the talmud are

all about it seems that you are going to

be rather difficult to pin down in this

discussion rabbi

brother Pablo

can you elicit from the rabbi a clearer

statement I shall do my best your

majesty

not Rabbi Moses I think you have been

exaggerating the flexibility of the

Jewish religious attitude a little I was

a Jew myself for many years and your

description of Judaism doesn't quite

tally with my recollection of it perhaps

you have forgotten something since you

became a Christian

I don't think so or perhaps there were

certain things about Judaism that you

never understood

tell me

such a thing as heresy in Jewish

religion yes there is and what is a

heretic in Jewish law a Jew who denies

an essential principle of the Jewish

faith and what are the essential

principles of the Jewish faith that is a

matter of dispute

surely there are some articles of a

faith Beyond dispute there are some yes

the unity of God is one the Revelation

on Mount Sinai another but we have now

agreed and definitive set of theological

doctrines as you Christians have for

which you are prepared to burn people as

Heretics

true Rabbi Moses that you Jews give

great respect to the recorded sayings of

the rabbis even though they may not

necessarily be fully authoritative that

is so

if you found that many sayings of the

rabbis point to the conclusion that the

Messiah has already come and that he is

divine with this fact impressive it

certainly would I propose to prove that

many sayings in the talmud show

unmistakably both of the Messiah had

already come and that his nature is

divine if you can prove that you will

have struck a great blow for your side

of this disputation

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thank you

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the question is

has the Messiah come

by the public

your majesties

let me Begin by citing a passage not

from the Old Testament but from the

talmud

says

at the time when the temple was

destroyed

the Messiah

was born

what an extraordinary statement

the temple was destroyed about 1200

years ago around about the time of the

beginning of Christianity

now let me put the question directly to

Rabbi Moses

why are the Jews waiting for the Messiah

when their own talmud tells them that he

came 1200 years ago

what do you have to say to this Rabbi

Moses the Majesty with respect to

brother Pablo the talmud does not say

that the Messiah came at the time of the

destruction of the temple it only says

he was born but isn't that much the same

thing know your majesty when Moses came

to lead the children of Israel out of

Egypt it was 80 years after he was born

that is hardly a task for a newborn babe

similarly the date of the messiah's

birth is by no means the same as the

date of his coming and when will be his

coming when he leads the Jews back to

the holy land that hasn't happened yet

so he hasn't yet come

do mean to tell us that the Messiah was

born 1200 years ago and that he still

hasn't come yet

but along in the tooth 1200 years old

Adam lived almost as long

as Elijah who never died has lived very

much longer and will return together

with himself

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where's the Messiah been all this time

talmud says

do you really believe that

many more incredible things than NASA

believed in the name of religion your

majesty

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I personally do not believe that the

Messiah was born at the time of the

destruction of the temple I think he has

not yet been born but the talmudge says

quite distinctly that he was born then

it is poetry a parable you Christians

know what parables are it's a way of

saying that hope is born in the very

depths of Despair should not be taken

literally are you saying that the talmud

is telling lies the parable is not a lie

Rabbi Moses you are shifting your ground

not at all if you want to take literally

the Messiah was born then I have given

you my answer I personally do not take

it literally that's clear enough surely

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I told you the rabbi would be too tricky

yes but was he convinced by all those

clever answers I don't think he's seen

anything yet what'd you mean

well from what you've said and I don't

understand all the arguments

but I think I understand him you

understand too much about men you little

witch

but tell me then of your great wisdom

what do you think of the rabbi I think

as his soul were revealed

you might see something quite remarkable

he may seem cool but there's a fire in

his soul just you to see that

and the other

he takes a long view of that one

you're right there I recognize ambition

when I see it this is just a stepping

stone for him

the whole of your kingdoms just a

stepping stone for him

you know I think I will make you by

Chief counselor

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well Pablo

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Rabbi Moses great power the power of the

Cross is greater

I'm quite used to coping with a Jew in

myself

but he's always going to be there of

course

after all our Lord was a Jew so would

all the apostles

what a marvelous Christian Rabbi Moses

would play

you ever have regrets

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yes sometimes

when the festivals come round

past the synagogue and statutes of Music

reach me

these feelings are very natural

and feelings of remorse

the whole world is obsolete

God has pronounced judgment on it

church needs you

Just As You Are

you know many parties that feel it

spiritually

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my final argument depends not on the

interpretation of texts

but on the immutable truth of History

itself

even more surely than scripture or

inspired Traditions thus history reveal

God's will

once the Jews had a mighty organization

with a temple in Jerusalem the wonder of

the world but God decreed that Temple

should be raised to the ground and that

in its place Christ's Church should

arise and be made great with its Center

in Rome and its great cathedrals in Many

Lands each one outshining the temple in

the height of its Glory

to what oh did you

did you may have become slaves and

exiles

is not this the strongest proof of all

that the Messiah has come

that they have lost the Christ Church is

triumphant

the Messiah has come and the Christian

church is the living proof

let the Jews cease to swim against the

tide of History instead of dragging out

a miserable and persecuted existence

that can only become more and more

wretched as time goes on let them join

in the Triumph of the church

the Jew turned his face against the

Messiah when he came and now God turns

his face against them

as a Jew I suffered under that curse but

Jesus Christ released me God's church is

merciful the door is still open before

it is too late let the Jews enter in and

throwing themselves on his infinite

Mercy share in God's manifold blessings

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once the brother Pablo's arguments have

left me entirely unconvinced

that the Messiah has come says brother

Pablo is proved by the Triumph of the

church

we are now living in the Messianic era

prophesied in the Bible Glory was

prophesied and glory is here

in the shape of the Pope and priesthood

Cathedrals and mighty rulers

when we read in the Bible of the

Prophecies of Isaiah and Ezekiel and

Zechariah about the coming of the

Messiah what is the most obvious thing

that strikes us it isn't the coming of

the Messiah will make the world a

different place

instead of a world of strife and

bloodshed of ceaseless Agony and famine

and warfare there will be a world of

peace and good will a time of Sabbath

when the swords will be beaten into

plowshares and the Wolf will lie down

with the lamb and the peace of God will

reach to the four corners of the Earth

this is the time of the Messiah to which

we Jews look forward

when their parents are meaningless

agonists of the past will all prove to

have heard meaning after all and through

history will begin and our struggles

will prove to have been the birth pangs

of a better world

but what has happened

over 1200 years since the birth of Jesus

I look around the world is it a world of

peace

have the swords been beaten into

plowshares

now the world is more full of War than

ever and the most warlike of all the

peoples whose fierceness is greater than

that wolves is the people of Christendom

the followers of Jesus

your majesty is a great king in

Christendom your knights in armor Clash

like thunder you have your foot soldiers

and arches and engines of War if you

believe that the Messiah has come why do

you not dismiss all your soldiers and

enter the peace of God

the world is full of war and armies not

far away are the armies of the Muslims

Beyond them the armies of the Mongols

and the tartars and Beyond them

who knows what other armies

where does it say in the writings of our

prophets which you say you believe

but the coming of the Messiah will bring

not love but hate not peace but War

the Hebrew prophets was to be a time of

Justice I look around the world which

you Christians have made of your faith

in Jesus is it a world of Brotherhood

and equality

there is no Jewish aristocracy no Jewish

slavery no Jew is Lord over Jews no

Nation on this earth except ourselves

has learned to live this way have you a

higher standard of Justice to teach us

what has happened to the new heart of

which Ezekiel spoke when he said I will

give you a heart of Flesh instead of a

Heart of Stone if this is the new world

of which the prophet spoke it would have

been better if they had remained silent

who Majesty I must speak

we Christians are never nearer to Christ

then when we suffer oppression as Christ

himself suffered

the slave can come to Christ as well as

or better than an emperor that is a very

comfortable Doctrine for oppressors to

hear I do not believe that anyone is

better for being a slave freedom and

equality must wait for the second coming

so it seems that all the real benefits

of the coming of the Messiah are left

for the second coming the first coming

has not been without its benefits I

asked the Triumph of the church brother

Pablo made a great point of this and of

the failure and suffering of us Jews you

Christians make a great mystery out of

failure and talk of your suffering

Messiah whose failure proves his

divinity and then say that our suffering

means that we are accursed

the failure and suffering of the Jews

was predicted by the Hebrew prophets and

they also predicted that a time would

come when the nations would acknowledge

that the Jews have suffered for the sins

of the world it is Christ who suffered

for the sins of the world not the Jews

and so it was foretold by the prophet

Isaiah I say that the suffering servant

depicted by Isaiah was not Jesus but the

Jewish people and the suffering servant

is still in your midst and you followers

of Jesus are his chief persecutors

are we to allow this blasphemy he is

saying that the Jews are Christ and that

we Christians are his crucifiers

I promised him free speech

so Majesty I submit that we do not need

to ban the texts we have only to look

around the world to see that the Messiah

has not come a messiah who does not make

the world better is no Messiah and a

messiah who says it does not matter

whether the world is better or not is

worse than no Messiah we Jews say that

the world is still unredeemed and that

the Messiah will not come until the

world has deserved receive

him

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your majesty

only the devil itself would have you

must have patience

I have heard that this Blasphemous Rabbi

is an Adept at their black magic which I

call a Kabbalah he is an expert

kabbalist your majesty but the Kabbalah

is not black magic it's a kind of

mystical philosophy it contains no

implications of the devil tell me the

truth Pablo Christiane did you never see

black magic practice when you were a Jew

did you never see Christian children

sacrificed in their blood used for

Unholy purposes never such things are

unheard of in the Jewish faith I tell

you they're not an uncivilized people

they're over civilized they think

themselves too clever to need salvation

where we must out argue them

as Christ himself did when he

condescended to argue with a Pharisees

may I remind you that the first question

has already been debated so far Rabbi

Moses seems to be out arguing us who

knows what effect my arguments are

having on him I see little sign of him

breaking down

are we to allow his insult

s to go unpunished the King has ruled

the demonstructed my way I would have

him broken on the Wheel

I thought it was just obviously that

made them refuse to acknowledge Christ

use this followers they look upon us as

an enlightened Heretics and ideologies

last year beginning to understand the

extent of the problem

I speak plainly I think it unlikely that

we shall convert the rabbi

or bring about a mass conversion by this

disputation

as I see it what we need is a long

campaign this is only the beginning the

beginning

we shall flood the country with accounts

of the disputation demonstrating the

defeat of the Jewish argument I myself

will visit all their congregations

calling for conversions that's when the

real campaign will start

and they see how the land lies how the

climate is changing

he'd be surprised how many conversions

we shall get there

suppose the rabbi retaliates by issuing

his own account of the disputation then

we have him

can't get information to speak not to

write and he writes down blasphemy such

as he has spoken the king may take a

different View

that will be a matter of paper

intervention

your majesty the king is no longer a

young man he fears for his Immortals so

now he can't afford to cross the Pope

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good

there is some Prospect to seeing Rabbi

Moses at the stake yet

see how his arguments stand up to Rome

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prophesied in Scripture A man or a

Divine being and the Psalms take quite

clearly that he is the Divine Son of God

this is my son this day I have begotten

Thee the people of Israel are called in

scripture the firstborn son of God does

this mean that they are Divine the truth

is that all human beings are the

children of God why else do we call God

our Father so the Messiah is no more the

Son of God and no less than all the rest

of us the talmud says the Messiah

existed before the creation of the world

how can this be unless he is divine you

have misread the text Brother Pablo it

says that the thought of the Messiah

existed in the mind of God before the

creation of the world how could God

create the world without a plan and the

Messiah is the culmination of God's plan

for the world how can the Messiah be a

mere man if he is as you say the

culmination of God's plan for the world

how can the world be saved by a man

Messiah does not save the world the

world must save itself by turning to the

light of God's teaching then the Messiah

will come how can man save himself how

else can he be saved man is helpless

he's sunk in the Sin of the fall of Adam

the coming of the Christ Messiah was to

save him and now he is saved in the

great body of Christ the church outside

that he is lost when Adam sinned he

sinned for himself not for me he was a

man I am a man and each of us is

responsible for our own sins and for no

one else's why should I be damned

because of Adam's sin or need a Divine

Messiah to come and rescue me or need a

mother Church to go back into her womb

if Jesus is not Divine what is he then

is he a devil no

but you say he deceived mankind by

claiming to be God he must then be a

deceiving devil my study of your New

Testament has shown me that Jesus never

claimed to be God

the church has perverted his teaching

into idolatry

then

the first commandment says Thou shalt

have no other gods before me to worship

a man as God is idolatry the same

idolatry which the Egyptians were guilty

when they worshiped pharaoh and the

Romans when they worshiped Caesar

some rabbis however hold that

Christianity is not idolatry merely a

heresy of Judaism

you must surely be convinced now that

restrictions are necessary for the rest

of the disputation for both signs or for

the Jewish side because the Jewish side

your majesty it hardly seems quite

certainly it is not a question of

fairness it is a question of preventing

blasphemies which are an offense against

God has it occurred to you Raymond that

many of the things which are being said

on our side of the question are

Blasphemous to the Jews

it was quite clear to me that the idea

of Jesus being Divine is to the rabbi a

blessing are you suggesting we shouldn't

mention the Divinity of Jesus Christ it

is impossible to conduct this argument

without either side saying something

which would be offensive and blasphemous

to the other quick side are you on

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you are forgetting yourself brother

Raymond I apologize

I spoke here today out of my great zero

but I must remind your majesty that your

desire for fair play could lead you to

within measurable distance of Hell Fire

I promised the rabbi that he could use

any argument he chose to support his

claim I cannot and I will not take back

my

mind but we must consider their safety

Rabbi Moses blasphemers have angered the

people there could be violence

nobody will take the law into his own

hands in my kingdom

and that goes for your Dominicans too

Roman

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let there be no misunderstanding between

us

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you have asked for an audience rabbi

what is troubling you I've come to ask

you to put an end to the disputation

you too

why I thought you were doing rather well

too well your majesty I've come at the

request of the Jewish people

many of whom will begged me to proceed

no further but four I'm looking forward

to the closing speeches we are an

oppressed people Your Majesty we have

many enemies especially among the

Dominicans the great hatred is growing

the longer I continue this debate

I promised you the safety of your people

trust me had I not trusted you I would

not have opened my mouth in this

disputation so there is one Christian

that you feel you can trust he's not the

Christian in you that I trust your

majesty about the Pagan oh am I a pagan

then pagan likes to see a good fight a

good fight can only be had on equal

terms that is the Pagan sense of justice

but I'm afraid the paganism is dying all

over Europe

soon there will only be one ruler in

Christendom the pope and there will be

no fair play left for the Jews I am

still King and Aragon

no one will give me orders in paragon

not even the Pope

not even the Pope

I ask you again the disputation has gone

on long enough

there is no hope of Pablo christiani

converting me let it end

Soviet

I ask a Majesty's permission to withdraw

from your presence

rabbi

to Dan

please

said something today which interested me

you said that we can save ourselves

do you believe that it is possible

to come his adultery and be forgiven

we had a king once our greatest King

King David he was a messiah he committed

adultery but he repented and was

forgiven King David

a messiah

was the more than one Messiah every King

of the Jews is called a messiah but a

sinful Messiah the Messiah is a man and

therefore sinful

every man has an evil inclination which

causes sin but it also causes Merit

if there were no evil inclination there

could be no virtue and no repentance

my little man's sins and sins

and does not repent because he loves his

sin

then can he be forgiven

no

ah well that is where our sweet Jesus is

more merciful than your heart God of

Justice Rabbi for he will forgive her

what good does Jesus's forgiveness of us

do those we continue to sin against

possible to the good we can only ask for

forgiveness some whatever terms we can

get it's not impossible to be good

you say our God is hard but yours is

even harder

he tells you that you're all condemned

to hell and then he forgives you like

naughty children and you fall on your

knees in groveling gratitude for his

Mercy

ah God has more respect for us

it tells us you're not children but men

you can behave like men and if you do

not I shall require it of you

can the desire of the body be good

was it not created by God is it not the

movement of the Fountain of Life

I have written a book about the Holiness

of sexual desire

Moses

you are a lewd rapper Lou

talk like a Christian

all the holy Earth is filth to him so he

wallows in filth and trembles with guilt

the king should take his Pleasures like

a lion

our King David had 18 wives and

concubines and that was considered no

sin only his adultery with Bathsheba who

was a married woman

you are no help to me Rabbi no help at

all

you are either too evil or too good for

me

eighteen wise

this was your Messiah

how the difference Lord Jesus

I should have been a king before Jesus

came

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and now let us address ourselves to the

highest Authority on this subject the

teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ

himself

let us consider two Jews

the Pharisee and the tax gatherer

standing side by side in prayer

and the Pharisee said as he prayed thank

God I am not as other men are

the tax gatherer smote himself upon the

breast saying God be merciful to me a

sinner

and Christ tells us that the sinner not

the Pharisee was justified in the eyes

of God

The Humble sinner

The Arrogant Jew

he who looked into his own heart into

the appalled by the corruption he finds

there knows that without a savior he is

lost

boys Between Heaven and Hell that pitted

our feet we stretch our arms out to our

Savior who draws us from the brink of

Destruction but the Jew says the Messiah

is only a man and does not bring

Salvation he says they do not need

salvation because of their learning and

their practice of the law which they

call that Torah

I say this is arrogance and complacency

to look into the abyss and be appalled

that is the beginning of wisdom and the

Jews for all their superficial

cleverness do not have this wisdom their

religion is for a scholarly Elite it

doesn't answer to the needs in the heart

of every man the high and the low the

righteous and The Sinner the scholar and

the Layman

that is why Christ Church gains new

converts every day

that is why it will conquer the world

you do not think yourself Rabbi a great

and learned man above the common herd

look into the abyss

think yourself a human being like other

human beings humble yourself ask of God

be merciful to me a sinner

in the name of our savior the Lord Jesus

Christ Sent From Heaven who for our sins

died upon the cross

the Divine Messiah

I pray that with God's help I may have

touched the heart of the Jew

a pleasant self-satisfied superficial

these are heavy charges

to acknowledge one's own sinfulness is

certainly a great thing

shall we call ourselves utterly

worthless

were we not created in the image of God

and is it not an insult to God to call

ourselves worthless

self-criticism is good

and where can you find more examples of

this than in our Jewish writings what

other nations put on record in its

sacred book every backsliding every

weakness every sin and disloyalty which

has been guilty the sins of the Jews are

recorded there and our enemies are not

slow to use this record against us but

blessed is the nation that is not afraid

to give such a handle to its enemies

but let us consider what is the aim and

purpose of humility and self-criticism

is it not to learn from one's errors and

do better in the future

but if we carry Humanity to such a point

that one says I am utterly worthless no

action or mine can ever be good then the

incentive to Improvement has been

abolished and excessive humility becomes

an excuse for lack of effort this is

what you Christians do you ask God to

take you over you give up the task for

which he put you into the world like a

child who refuses to walk and then a

worse result comes about you'll fancy

that God has taken you over that your

savior has snatched you from the abyss

into a state of sinlessness in which you

can do nothing wrong from a state of

abject humility you emerge into a state

of incredible arrogance and Proclaim

that you are saved and that God is now

speaking through your mouth

we Jews know that no man on this Earth

is ever without sin not Moses not even

the Messiah we must grapple with the

evil Instinct from the first day of Our

Lives to the last is this our

complacency is this self-righteousness

we Jews you say are proud and an elite

because we reckon ourselves the chosen

people of God but for what we have

chosen

to show all nations an example of a

people who is not afraid to stand

upright on the earth to regard no man as

God to look even God in the face and not

be overwhelmed

this is why we are the chosen people of

God for God does not want us human

beings to be wretches and cowards who

dare not stand on our own feet

and this is what makes us hated by all

the nations on Earth

who reckon that we are endangering their

lifestyles

their saviors and demigods who saved

them from the effort of living like men

we are proud yes

but we want all men to be proud

we were chosen yes but for what

for power for happiness forested

Security in our possessions

know for pain and misery and persecution

and wandering over the face of the Earth

do not say that we have not seen the

abyss

we who are on the brink of it every day

of Our Lives

we who began our journey by crossing the

desert with only the pillar of fire to

guide us we have seen it

yet we continue to our journey

by the guidance of God's law

which was given for men

not for Angels or devils

Moses who delivered the Lord to us give

us also a saying when he stood before

his death on the border of the Promised

Land

be strong

and of good courage

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change

what's strange you have treated the Jew

with quite unnecessary favor in my

opinion one disputation with a great

many points to spare why don't you

become a Jew then since you found his

arguments so convincing don't be

ridiculous Yolanda

one doesn't change one's religion on the

basis of a few days of verbal fencing

besides it was a pleasure to see

somebody fighting with words instead of

with a broadsword not everyone took the

view that the Jew had the best of it

but you actually rewarded him

just a few gold coins 300 gold crowns

what prompted such a magnanimous gesture

respect

I have seldom seen so unjust to cause so

skillfully argued

he may have caused to regret his free

and easy manner of arguing on holy

topics Yolanda

I warn you Yolanda

do not plot against a rabbi

plot against him

he's gonna need to plot against him

and what about you James

you may be reconciled with the church

but you still have to put your own house

in order

well

I was just thinking of something that

Rabbi said to me about King David

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my Consuelo

how long will they let me keep you

I must give you up

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there are some things even you can't

fight against James death damnation the

church

and my wife

especially my wife

what do you think as a result of the

disputation

it was a great occasion

I do think things would have been better

left as they were

things haven't changed very much

who's now

Rabbi Moses has to go into exile

I mean how long before all the other

Jews have to go

it's all this idea of bringing on the

day of judgment

doing without the devil

just leave the world as it is James

nothing stays as it is Consuelo nothing

will ever be the same again

please don't forget me James

try to keep them from getting rid of the

Jews

what would the world be like without the

Jews

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your majesty

I read by Moses

I sent for you because

I feel I owe you

an explanation

you understand of course that I have

saved you from death I realize that's

your majesty and I'm grateful

you should never have written that book

about the disputation the pope is very

particular about books I was forced to

write it because of the

misrepresentations that were circulating

I know I wrote nothing in the book that

I had not said with your full permission

during the disputation I know that too

have you been up to me you would not

have been exiled but I got into very hot

water with the Pope

and the next communication would be

awkward I appreciate that your majesty

do you feel that I've let you down Rabbi

Moses

I appreciate that you played the game

according to the rules your management

I'm glad you see that

where will you go

I understand King Alfonso of Castile is

very tolerant towards Jews I am an old

man your majesty I had expected to die

here in Aragon surrounded by my family

but God had other plans for me in a way

I'm glad I should like to die in the

Holy lands the land of my fathers

it's a long way to travel we Jews are

used to traveling

yes

yes and what will you do there is much

to do the study of the law has been

neglected there

I shall build an academy and work for

the Revival of learning in Jerusalem the

land has too few Jews in it now we must

build a strong settlement in preparation

for the coming of the Messiah

but can you do all this on your own

there is another scholar who will help

Rabbi yakiel of Paris he too was exiled

after a disputation

you should be happy your majesty your

Christian disputations are helping to

revive the Jewish settlement in the land

of Israel

and that wasn't quite my intention rev

high but I'm glad you accepted in that

spirit

how will you live

by my profession

as a rabbi that is not a profession

I am a physician

a physician

well well

I wonder if

no it's

it's not important

is there anything that I can do for you

at my music

all I ask is that no other Jew should

suffer from the disputation you have my

promise on there you are a good man

but do not become too much of a

Christian keep some of the Pagan in you

it's a Pity in a sense that we Jews gave

you pagans a sense of sin who don't know

what to do with it

I will not argue with theology with you

rabbi

I wish you were safe journey into the

Holy Land

and

I'm very sorry to see you girl

believe me

goodbye

at one month so

give me your blessing

foreign

make you like Cyrus King of Persia a

righteous king among the Gentiles

you had to go back a long way to find

one didn't you

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