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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,760 When I look back at my manic moments, I don't... 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,000 My memory, for some reason, is really clouded. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,040 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find disturbing and deals with suicide 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,600 I was at home, 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,640 I think I'd just finished having a barbecue, 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,280 but it was just me. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,120 And there was a knock on the kitchen door... 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,240 LOUD POUNDING 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,680 ..and it was a policeman. 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,000 I remember thinking, "What's a policeman doing here?" 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,120 He seemed like a nice chap. 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,720 I sat down and started showing him, 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,560 I've got a photo of me, the Queen and I, and getting my OBE. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Maybe five to ten minutes later, there's another knock on the door. 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,320 It's another policeman. 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,920 This time, the policeman is with five firemen - 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,480 the pompiers, they call them in French. 18 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,480 And then a doctor turned up, 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,320 and he said, "We're taking you to hospital." 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,640 And I said, "I'm not going." 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,120 I was trying to fight my way out of it. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,880 I had two people either side of me hold my arms down, 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,760 and I was struggling a lot. 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Then I saw the doctor pull out this whacking great syringe. 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,280 And I just thought that was it. 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,680 I woke up and I had no idea... 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,080 ..whether I was Arthur, Martha, Tuesday, Thursday - nothing. 28 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,360 I thought I was in some kind of police station 29 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,800 because of the room I was in. 30 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Only when the psychiatrist came in, 31 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,240 she told me I was in a psychiatric hospital. 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,080 It was a dark period. 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,800 The psychiatrist diagnosed me as bipolar. 34 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,080 I was... It was a surprise. 35 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,960 I started to look back more and more to my life, 36 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,520 pre-being sectioned, 37 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,200 and one of the big questions I asked myself was, 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,720 "How come it's taken me until my 57th year of life... 39 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,680 "..to discover that I have bipolar?" 40 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:04,720 Finished. It's finished? How many...? 41 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Ten. 42 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Oh, hang on. I found one in the box. 43 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,680 I moved to the south of France in 2018, 44 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,320 where I live with my wife Melanie and bulldog Harry. 45 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,800 I've got really thick, chipolata-like fingers, 46 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,480 and it's amazing that my food has been really quite delicate. 47 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,480 I don't know how the hell that happened. 48 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,240 OK, so those are done. 49 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,800 These are antidepressants. 50 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,880 These are sleeping tablets. 51 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:46,440 This one moderates my production of dopamine and serotonin - 52 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,240 because if I have too much dopamine and too much serotonin, 53 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,920 I can have a manic episode. 54 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,120 INTERVIEWER: It seems, to an outsider, quite a lot. 55 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,920 It seems to ME quite a lot. I've got to remember which ones... 56 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,040 And then when it changes... I obviously... 57 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,720 Actually, I've got to take it now. 58 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,200 I've put on a nice... Got a nice belly from it. 59 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,160 SHE LAUGHS 60 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,160 I've gained a lot of weight, 61 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,120 and the speed of my voice now is way slower 62 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,240 than it was, even when I wasn't in a manic episode. 63 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,600 Get some water. 64 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,240 Bipolar is generally extreme mood swings. 65 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:31,160 So there can be massive highs and very deep, dark lows. 66 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,880 So if I... If I... Try and imagine a graph here. 67 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,320 So this, the vertical, is energy levels 68 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,640 and the horizontal is time. 69 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,840 Let's say the graph, this vertical is here. 70 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:51,480 Most people operate...sort of this level and do this. 71 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,920 Bipolar 1 basically goes like this. 72 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,200 So, look, we all have days when we're a little bit high, 73 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,600 a little bit low. 74 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,640 But people with bipolar, their mood swings are much more severe. 75 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,400 The lowest low is terrible. 76 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,680 It's severe depression, even suicidality. 77 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,120 And the highs are incredibly high - 78 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,880 tearing around with lots of energy, lots of ideas, 79 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,680 even psychotic delusions. 80 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,600 Symptoms of bipolar usually present actually quite early in life, 81 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,960 so late teenage/early adult life. 82 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,240 So if somebody develops bipolar disorder later in life, 83 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,600 they will have lots of questions as to whether they've lived 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,000 an entire life having not been treated, essentially. 85 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,360 ARCHIVE: It's lunchtime in the best restaurant in Europe. 86 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,560 MUSIC: Club Foot by Kasabian 87 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,120 But it's not in Paris, Rome, or in the West End. 88 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,360 The Fat Duck in Bray, Berkshire, has been voted the world's best. 89 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,000 And look how they've done it - 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,600 sardine sorbet, 91 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,560 bacon and egg ice cream, 92 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,320 and snail porridge. 93 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,680 From the beginning, his creativity was through the roof. 94 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,600 There was always something bubbling in his mind. 95 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,560 I had to bring to him that little bit of structure, 96 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,600 because he was doing five or six things at the same time, always. 97 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,720 People came to the restaurant and he would be, like, hyper, 98 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,640 like, "Hey, yeah, bup-bup-bup!" But he was cooking. Couldn't stop. 99 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,240 We were cooking differently. He behaved differently. 100 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,280 He was fun. 101 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:30,320 So if you look at that whole progression to TV programmes, 102 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,600 it wasn't a surprise. 103 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,680 He was perfect. 104 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,760 MUSIC: Di-gue-ding-ding by Michel Legrand 105 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,800 This was a show for the BBC called In Search Of Perfection. 106 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,760 We did this 2006, 2007 - did two series. 107 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,800 I just laughed at my little half-step then. 108 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,080 HE CHUCKLES 109 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,560 That's the level of my dancing. 110 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,200 ARCHIVE: My name is Heston, Heston Blumenthal, 111 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,600 and I'm chef proprietor of the Fat Duck restaurant in Bray. 112 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,160 It's funny, looking at it now, 113 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:13,320 that...some of the techniques that we tried seem... 114 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,400 They seem ridiculous, but they weren't. 115 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,720 I remember doing Peking Duck, and they blow air between the skin 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,120 and the flesh to make it really crisp... 117 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,680 ..so we took the duck to the petrol station... 118 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,720 There we go! 119 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,320 ..and used the tyre pump to blow air into this duck. 120 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,840 And we hid behind the petrol pump so no-one saw us. 121 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,600 Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! 122 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,920 INTERVIEWER: Do you think there were any signs of bipolar back then? 123 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,400 I can't think of any... 124 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,080 I can't think of any signs of bipolar back then. 125 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,800 There were moments where my creativity felt unstoppable. 126 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Make sure that you put the valve over the hole in the top of the box. 127 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,120 Take the vacuum cleaner. 128 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,160 I felt elation, really high elation, 129 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,480 but I didn't drop into long periods of depression. 130 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,560 You read about bipolar and how it's got the highs, the manic, 131 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,520 you've got the lows and the depression. 132 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,560 I never saw the lows. I didn't see those. 133 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,280 He was - 99.9% of the time - up. 134 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,560 INTERVIEWER: How would you describe those periods of intense creativity? 135 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,160 Er... 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,760 I describe... I think it's a bit like a kid in a sweet shop. 137 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,920 The shop is full of these delicious sweets, and you want all of them. 138 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:46,400 Then the roof opens, and somebody just rains down on you 139 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,680 all the sweets that you could possibly want. 140 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,480 They're just raining down on you. 141 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,240 That's what it's like in my head. 142 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,360 Ideas would be flowing really, really quickly. 143 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,520 It might involve pairing ingredients 144 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,600 that are very surprising to put together. 145 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,960 It might involve listening to something while you're eating, 146 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,920 smelling something while you're listening to something 147 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,040 while you're eating. 148 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:20,200 Looking back at it, was that creativity down to bipolar? 149 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,880 I have no idea. 150 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,120 When we're talking about mood, mood can go in any direction. 151 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Like everything, everything's on a spectrum. 152 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,040 So in the middle, bang in the middle, 153 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,880 is mood being stable - or euthymic, we say. 154 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,120 The mood can go a little bit low. 155 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,200 It can become severely low - so mild, moderate, severe depression. 156 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,320 In the other direction, it can go into hypomania or mania. 157 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,760 Hypomania is when there is the mood elevating a little bit, 158 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,880 there's a bit more energy. 159 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Maybe we're not sleeping. Maybe we're becoming a bit more creative. 160 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Often patients do say, "I really enjoy my mania. 161 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,680 "I hate the depressions. 162 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:09,520 "I much prefer the hypomania or even the manic states." 163 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,200 PHONE RINGS 164 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,320 Chief! Hey, Heston. Are you all right? 165 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,680 Hey, have you still got your Christmas tree up? 166 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:28,240 LAUGHS: Yeah. Yes. 167 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,560 When I first came out of hospital, at the beginning, 168 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:35,560 it felt like I was slightly zombified from the medication. 169 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,280 I've changed a lot in the sense of 170 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,000 my massive highs and lows have been ironed out. 171 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,520 I'm much calmer, don't have those manic phases. 172 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,600 We went to that lighter foam on our last tasting, 173 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,240 so it was more seafoody. 174 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,760 Yeah, the foam before, to me, it worked cos it was... 175 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,760 It had a strong lemon/thyme character to it. 176 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,440 I think, because we're talking about the beetroot and the heart of palm, 177 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,680 they're not up to what the other dishes can be. 178 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:12,320 It was a year ago he was out of the clinic. 179 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,600 And the first thing that I told him is, 180 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,880 "Look, we have to rebuild everything bit by bit." 181 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,080 I think it's the scariest thing that can happen to any human being. 182 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:32,120 Who is not scared to lose his mind and have to go through this process? 183 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:41,760 I was thinking, "Was I in manic phase, mania, 184 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,920 "when I was creating those dishes?" 185 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,480 I don't know, but it would... It would make sense. 186 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,960 And if the manic phases was when I did all the creativity 187 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,360 and imagination, what happens next? 188 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,160 Erm... I don't know. 189 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,200 Coolio. All right. Excellent. Thanks! 190 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,240 All right. See you. Bye! 191 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,320 INTERVIEWER: Are you at all worried 192 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,120 that you might not get that creativity back? 193 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,080 Yes. 194 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,480 Yeah, I am. 195 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,480 I've come back to the UK to check in on my restaurants. 196 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,000 I'm staying in Bray, next door to the Fat Duck. 197 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,440 I'm wondering what my life will be like 198 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,760 now my mood is more under control... 199 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,920 ..so I've invited over psychiatrist Dr Nick Prior. 200 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Nick. Hi, Heston. Great to meet you. Great to meet you. 201 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Yeah, yeah. Real pleasure. 202 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,920 Nick has bipolar himself, 203 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:56,840 so he understands the situation both as a doctor and as a patient. 204 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,880 You know, there was a lot of mental health in my family. 205 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,800 My... My mother has bipolar. 206 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,520 She has made some quite serious attempts on her life. 207 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,120 It had a big, big influence on my life, 208 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,440 a big influence on my relationship with her. 209 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,040 And her mother, she committed suicide and... 210 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,920 Or what we now call completed suicide. 211 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,360 I get suicidal thoughts, but they're what we would call 212 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,760 in psychiatry talk kind of passive suicidal thoughts. 213 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,080 So I'm lying in bed, can hardly leave my bedroom, 214 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,240 and I'm just thinking how hopeless and I'm not... 215 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,000 "I'm worthless and I should just evaporate. 216 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,560 "I wish I could just evaporate." 217 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:31,040 Yes. But it's not writing a note or actually harming myself. 218 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,440 I've never gotten to that point. No. Me neither. 219 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,520 I am fascinated about, you know, what it must feel like at your age 220 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,040 to suddenly have this point of reflection. 221 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,560 Did you find that some of your great breakthroughs 222 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,520 did come in spurts of creativity and energy? 223 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,320 I think so. Yeah. Yeah. 224 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,200 So do you think I should be worried about 225 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,080 whether the medication I'm taking could have a negative effect 226 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,640 on my imagination and creativity? 227 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,880 So this is a good, an important question, 228 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,080 especially given your background, Heston. 229 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,360 What we do know is that bipolar can create certain environments 230 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,800 for the individual. 231 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,720 Being disinhibited and having a higher risk appetite... 232 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,280 Yes. ..allows you to do things that other people won't try, 233 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,600 so that creates an increased chance of potentially some moments 234 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,120 of beauty and creativity. 235 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,920 I would argue that the sacrifice you make 236 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,880 by allowing the bipolar to go rampant, 237 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,760 and potentially you have these moments of brilliance, 238 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,560 does have a negative impact. 239 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,000 And that's one of the main reasons that I take my medication, 240 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,200 I do therapy, I look after myself, 241 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:46,600 is because I want to be a consistent, loving husband 242 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,040 and father to my wife and my kids. 243 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Yes. And I think if I were you, I'd be thinking, 244 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,240 "I've had that fire. I've had those enlightened moments. 245 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,560 "I've created some things amazing. 246 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,800 "And actually, maybe this phase of my life is about consolidating 247 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,160 "some of those things and not searching for it again," 248 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,760 potentially. But I don't know how you feel about that. 249 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,800 Can you sit with mediocrity, being mediocre? 250 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,760 Is that something, a word that you find difficult? 251 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,040 NICK LAUGHS 252 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,040 Look at my lips. 253 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,600 Erm... Er... 254 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Yes. 255 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,240 He is still on a journey, he knows that, 256 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,920 and he is still asking questions. 257 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,280 And I feel quite... 258 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,240 You know, that's the best place for a patient to be in. 259 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,320 I also really did feel the anxiety and nervousness 260 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,920 around the use of medication and creativity, 261 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,120 especially given the career that he's had. 262 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,360 APPLAUSE 263 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,640 It's Heston Blumenthal, ladies and gentlemen! 264 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,120 Heston, is it "Blumen-thal" or "Blumen-tal"? 265 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,360 "Bloomin' hell". "Bloomin' hell"? LAUGHTER 266 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,240 Next thing you know, he's just becoming huge, right? 267 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,400 He's becoming Heston. 268 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,400 My name became a brand. 269 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,400 ARCHIVE: We're going to use four cheeses in this sauce. 270 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,560 VOICEOVER: I had a range of foods in Waitrose. 271 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,520 I had a range of barbecues. 272 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,440 I had a range of kitchen equipment. 273 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,480 I mean, everything, when I look back at it, was going full throttle. 274 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,360 Got back yesterday. I was in Australia. 275 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,040 Very busy time over there. 276 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,920 Landed crack of dawn, quick shower, came over here. 277 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,800 I've got the Fat Duck, the Perfectionists' Cafe at Heathrow, 278 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Dinner in the Mandarin in London. 279 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,000 Dinner in Australia, and the Hinds Head in Bray, 280 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,080 plus all the TV shows. 281 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,320 There was always something to be worked on. 282 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,000 CHEERING 283 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,600 REPORTER: This was all about thanking those who'd organised 284 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,280 her Diamond Jubilee celebrations. 285 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,000 This is the first time I've seen the actual hamper. 286 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,160 We tried to get one of these for today, and they've... 287 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,240 They haven't given you one? They've all sold out. 288 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:55,000 There it is - the largest soft serve 99 plus flake in the world! 289 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,640 VOICEOVER: I ended up becoming a hamster on a wheel. 290 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,880 And I self-medicated with cocaine. 291 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,600 I didn't realise I was self-medicating at the time, 292 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,320 but I was.... I was absolutely self-medicating. 293 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,720 And the more time goes on since I've come out of hospital, 294 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,640 the more I can see how extreme those days were. 295 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,000 It reached a point where I started to worry about my mental health. 296 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,320 I knew that I had a busy head, 297 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,240 but I didn't know if it was more busy than anyone else's head. 298 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,400 So I looked up whether I was autistic. 299 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:44,840 I'd done some research on various neurodiverse conditions. 300 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,920 But I didn't even think about bipolar. 301 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,400 And then this doctor that I'd met at a dinner 302 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,680 said he thinks I've got ADHD. 303 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:03,960 So I then went and got myself tested. And that was in 2017. 304 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,720 Well, the ADHD diagnosis, it explained quite a lot of things. 305 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:18,920 It explained enough for me to live with it, if that makes sense. So... 306 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,120 Mm. 307 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,760 So it can take sometimes - in fact, we know on average - about ten years 308 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,400 to get a diagnosis of bipolar, certainly in the UK. 309 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,760 That's really complicated as to why. 310 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,040 Partly because people who are presenting with symptoms, 311 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,040 maybe clinicians who see them say it's just depression, 312 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,600 it's not bipolar. 313 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,120 They haven't fully identified 314 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:50,440 that it was a hypomanic episode or even a manic episode. 315 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,320 And they're not tying the symptoms together 316 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,640 to form a bipolar diagnosis. 317 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,600 Receiving a diagnosis of bipolar is quite scary, it's stigmatising. 318 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,440 But actually, we have to also remember it's completely treatable. 319 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Over the last few weeks, 320 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,920 my psychiatrist has switched me to a different drug, lithium, 321 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,760 and I'm starting to feel sharper. 322 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,600 But I still don't understand 323 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,440 how other creative people have kept their spark... 324 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,800 ..so I've come to Letchworth to meet artist Sarah Graham, 325 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,120 who was diagnosed with bipolar in 2015. 326 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,480 Hello, Sarah. Hello! How are you doing? 327 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,440 Lovely to meet you. Lovely to meet you too. 328 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,800 Welcome to my studio. Wow! 329 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,520 SARAH LAUGHS 330 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Look at this. 331 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Look at the texture on that. 332 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Fantastic! 333 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:00,680 So I'm a photorealist, and my art is very colourful 334 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,120 and bold and out there and... 335 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:07,160 You know, and I think that reflects that side of me. Yeah. 336 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,640 But then with my bipolar, 337 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,520 I've suffered really significantly with depression. 338 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,880 Were you... Cos you're so creative, 339 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,080 were you scared of losing that creativity at any point? 340 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,800 Terrified, yeah. 341 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,200 Were you worried about the effect that the medication would have? 342 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,400 It's such an interesting question, 343 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,120 because I know a lot of people feel that medication dumbs them down. 344 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:41,800 And, you know, I have not been short of ideas. No? 345 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,840 Particularly recently, I've come up with all these new ideas 346 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,080 to take my work in a new direction, 347 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,840 and I'm on an antidepressant, a mood stabiliser, and an anti-psychotic. 348 00:20:54,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Sarah was hospitalised due to a manic episode that led to psychosis, 349 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,640 when you lose touch with reality 350 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,440 and become convinced of things that just aren't true. 351 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,400 My mania was reaching a crescendo. 352 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,000 I thought I was going to be meeting 353 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,160 the Queen and Prince Philip for breakfast. 354 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,200 Yeah? They were going to be thanking me for this... Yeah. 355 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,600 ..you know, what I'd done, in my role as an MI5 spy? 356 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,960 Of course. Erm... 357 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,960 THEY LAUGH 358 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,840 And, you know, I can... Like, I can laugh about it now, 359 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,040 cos it is... There are parts of it that are very... 360 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,760 You know, it's just wild where my brain went. 361 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,640 But I... There was a guy that I wanted to meet 362 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,760 the Queen and Prince Philip with me... 363 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Yeah. ..and I was trying to get his attention. 364 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,880 He was up in his flat, and I... 365 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,960 There was a lorry coming down the street, 366 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,880 and I got in the road and lay down in front of the lorry 367 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,640 to try and get this guy to pay attention to me. 368 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,720 Lots of people called the police. 369 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,920 I mean, this was happening around 6.00am in the morning. 370 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,160 Like... Of course it was. Yeah. 371 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,560 I hadn't slept for 24 hours at this point. Yeah. 372 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:14,680 Seven police officers turned up... Yeah. ..and sectioned me... 373 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,960 They just took you to hospital? ..and off I went in an ambulance. 374 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,080 Yeah. 375 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,240 There was a weird dichotomy. 376 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,400 I knew I was in a psychiatric hospital... Yeah. 377 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,800 ..I knew I didn't want to be there, 378 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,600 but I also thought I had superpowers, 379 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,800 and I thought the hospital was an academy for people with superpowers. 380 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,480 My consciousness was kind of acting out these two realities, 381 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,080 and I was so kind of... 382 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,920 I made a friendship bracelet for Putin. 383 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,720 THEY LAUGH 384 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,520 That is brilliant. 385 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:56,800 In my mind, I was capable of... BOTH: World peace. 386 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,160 I know that sounds... No. No, it doesn't sound... 387 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,800 To me, it doesn't sound... Doesn't sound... 388 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,880 I'm smiling because... Yeah. ..you know, I can relate to it. 389 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,000 I didn't start wearing my underpants over my trousers, by the way. 390 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,960 I haven't gone that far! 391 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,960 THEY LAUGH 392 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Despite the drama of her manic episode, 393 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,440 it is depression which Sarah feels 394 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,560 had the more profound impact on her life, 395 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,240 and she's keen to share with me exactly how she felt. 396 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,720 This was in 2015. 397 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,120 I was in the middle of depression. 398 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:37,960 SOBBING: I know that you're recording. 399 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,200 MAN: Good. 400 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,000 Why are you doing that? 401 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,200 So we can look back on it when you're better. 402 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,440 There's a reason that the Monopoly went missing - 403 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,320 cos I'm jinxed. 404 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,920 It's got nothing to do with you. 405 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,040 People that work with me...get hurt. 406 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:01,480 You know, it's... 407 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,760 ON VIDEO: People who try to help me get hurt. 408 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,440 It's all these negative beliefs... Yeah. 409 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,960 ..that, you know, anyone listening to me can see it's... 410 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,880 ON VIDEO: I'm jinxed. I give up! 411 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,680 Can you...? 412 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,880 Can you remember all of that? Yeah. You can? 413 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,680 Yeah. 414 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:27,360 ON VIDEO: ..but it's not genuine, cos in here, I'm an empty vessel. 415 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,480 That was a four-month-long depression in the end. 416 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,720 And I was like that for four months. Oh, my God! Yeah. 417 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,560 I think that's amazing, that you can bring yourself to show... 418 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,360 ..to show that. Really powerful. Yeah. 419 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,680 But, you know, it's an illness. Yes. 420 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:02,400 I have been to the darkest places I think anyone can go to... Go, yes. 421 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,280 ..and I've come through the other side, and it's empowering. 422 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,560 I was surprised by Sarah's honesty talking about her darkest moments. 423 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,880 It's something I've never spoken about publicly. 424 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,600 INTERVIEWER: Do you find it hard to talk about depression? 425 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Yeah, I do. I do... I do find it... 426 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,640 I do find it difficult to talk about depression. 427 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,840 So this next clip is from a show 428 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,120 you've previously told me you found difficult. 429 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,440 Helena! Hello. So what are you doing? 430 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,880 I'm making toffee apples with a twist. 431 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,040 And what's the twist? It's got a savoury centre. 432 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Are you putting any unexpected combinations in this? Yes. 433 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,920 You are? Yes, I am. Oh, yes! 434 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,240 My biggest thing with this show... 435 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,760 ..I was no good on there. 436 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,560 My mind was like... 437 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,880 ..hollow. I don't know... I don't know how to express it. 438 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,200 I was tired as well, so I was... 439 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,240 In the breaks, I was laying down on the sofa in my dressing room, 440 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,000 listening to tutored meditation in the gaps, 441 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,320 just to try and get my mind into a different space, cos it was... 442 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,240 It was in a dark, really dark place. 443 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,600 I was probably quite heavily depressed then. 444 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,000 I wondered if I... 445 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,720 "If there was a gun here, would I use it?" 446 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,080 But there wasn't. And then I... 447 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,600 I thought of other ways of ending it, 448 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,440 and then decided at the end that I wasn't ready for that. 449 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,160 But they all went through my head. 450 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,880 Can we stop that one there? Yep. 451 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,440 If you have bipolar and it's untreated, 452 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,080 it's potentially really dangerous. 453 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,600 You know, the depressions can become so severe 454 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,480 that somebody becomes suicidal. 455 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,880 And the manias equally can become really quite severe. 456 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,000 And both depression and mania can keep coming back 457 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,920 and have profound impacts on somebody's quality of life. 458 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,360 So actually, the illness gets worse if it's untreated over many years, 459 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:37,680 over many decades. 460 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,440 Looking back, 461 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,720 I can now see that my mood swings were becoming more extreme. 462 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,640 The depression gave way to what I now know were periods of mania. 463 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,560 So coming back to the sweet shop analogy, 464 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,520 with hindsight, when I was in a manic state, 465 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,120 there were so many ideas. 466 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,760 So it's raining sweets. 467 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,120 The imagination was running so fast, you can't catch them all. 468 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,800 I couldn't turn one of them into something creative... 469 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,280 ..because it was being interrupted by another piece of imagination. 470 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040 And it's just not good generally. 471 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240 INTERVIEWER: So, Heston, what I'm going to play for you now 472 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,000 is an interview you did for BBC Click, 473 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000 which is a technology show, back in 2020. 474 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520 OK, and this will be interesting to watch because... 475 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,080 ..I don't remember it. 476 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,200 I think it's time to get a view from someone who is world-famous 477 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,200 at using science and tech in the kitchen. 478 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,400 It's only Heston Blumenthal! Hey, Heston. How are you doing? 479 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,640 I'm very good. How are you? Yeah, all right. 480 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,160 Thank you very much. Getting used to this new normal... "All right"? 481 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,400 All right? 482 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,480 My word! 483 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,520 So I'll come on to this in a bit, 484 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,720 but one of the great strengths of human beings 485 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,280 is their ability to connect. 486 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,520 We have human beings and human doings. 487 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,240 So we have a sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. 488 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,840 So we have a relationship with ourselves 489 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680 like Alice In Wonderland - Big Me, Mini Me. 490 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,240 All he asked me... He's asked me one question, "How are you?" 491 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,560 That's it. 492 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,840 So we've got to grow up and go to school and go to work 493 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,280 and get degrees and earn some money and have a pension 494 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,600 and do all of these things... 495 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,360 And I'm going through a whole kind of evolution of human beings. 496 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,760 ON VIDEO: Now, language... 497 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720 HE SIGHS 498 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,680 In Tibet, they have 72,000 different words for emotions, 499 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,880 but it's not enough. 500 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,520 I just haven't stopped talking yet. I haven't come up for air. 501 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,960 Must be breathing through my ears or something. 502 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,480 I... You can edit this out, actually, if you want. 503 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,000 Well, I mean, I have to say... 504 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,240 I mean, this is... This is fabulous. This is not what I was expecting. 505 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120 Do you remember what this interview was supposed to be about? 506 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,240 No. I'm sure you'll tell me. 507 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,640 I can't even guess. 508 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,920 I mean, was it about the evolution of human beings? 509 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,720 No, it was about whether you could use robot arms in kitchens. 510 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,720 Was that what it was about? Yeah. 511 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,000 We're about half an hour in and we haven't got there yet. 512 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,160 I could answer that really easily now. 513 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,480 I think if we use robots to do the jobs that human beings... 514 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880 Oh, no. I'll leave it. 515 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,840 When Newton... When the apple fell from the tree, 516 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080 it took him ten years between that and his formula, 517 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,040 but he didn't actually consider the fact 518 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,080 that the Earth was also spinning up to the apple. 519 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Oh, no! 520 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:26,240 When you look at a fire flickering, or sunlight flickering on the sea, 521 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,240 or moonlight on the sea, and you listen to music... 522 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,120 It's like I was trying to condense a whole book into... 523 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,080 I don't know, I don't know, but it's... It's full-on. 524 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200 ON VIDEO: ..dance, the music, and the... 525 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,280 Would you say this is footage of you when you're manic? 526 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,640 Yes. 527 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,840 I want to put the shadow back into the sunlight. 528 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160 I want to put the inside out back into the outside in. 529 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,360 I want to put the being back into the human. 530 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,080 What about our relationship? 531 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,280 If you hate your telephone, don't blame it on the phone. 532 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,240 Actually...look at your relationship with the telephone. 533 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,000 To live with me, 534 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,720 if I was talking like that all the time... 535 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400 I think that brings me... That brings tears to my eyes, 536 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720 because of the thought of what they had to put up with... 537 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,760 ..the potential that I might have... 538 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,600 ..upset, troubled, worried, emotionally harmed 539 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,720 the people that love me and that I love. 540 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,480 Do you think you might have done? 541 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,120 Well, certainly... Certainly Melanie, because... 542 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,360 ..she saw it escalate. 543 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,000 What impact do you think... 544 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,760 ..your manic highs had on your children? 545 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,120 Er... That's a good question. 546 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,320 I don't know, cos I haven't asked them. 547 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,360 Is that something you'd be prepared to do? 548 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,120 Is that something we should do? 549 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,400 Yeah, we should ask them. 550 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,960 Hello! We should be there in 20 minutes. 551 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,680 See you. Bye. 552 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,600 I'm off to see Jack, my son... 553 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:24,200 ..who's about 15 minutes down the road from Bray, in Marlow, 554 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,920 and he's opened his own restaurant. 555 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,120 Service, please! 556 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,680 I'm slightly nervous. 557 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,640 Maybe I don't want to know the answers to some of my questions 558 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160 I'm going to ask - you know, what was it like? 559 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,200 All right? How are you? Likewise, I'm good, thanks. 560 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,400 So I've done a sort of master interview, 561 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,280 and Joe, who's interviewing me, said, 562 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,880 "What do your kids think of your bipolar?" 563 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,800 And I stopped and thought, "I haven't spoken to them about it," 564 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,360 until now. 565 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,000 You know, we found it difficult as a family. 566 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Obviously, you're kind of keeping everything together. 567 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,160 It's nice now to have... not a label on it, 568 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,000 but something we can refer back to and think, 569 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,520 "Oh, he wasn't just being a dick," type of thing. 570 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,280 Yeah. We just wanted a relaxing conversation with our dad, 571 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,160 and we weren't allowed to have one. 572 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,160 Cos I just didn't... You just didn't want... Exactly. You didn't want it. 573 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,840 You didn't want to know anyone's thoughts. 574 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,480 I just don't think you gave a shit. 575 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,840 I'd say, "Yeah, we're all right, we're just doing this." 576 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,000 And you would just literally talk over 577 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040 and then go, "I'm doing this, that, that, that, that, that. 578 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,680 "I'm going to change the world." 579 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,840 It always started off really well for a few minutes, 580 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,280 and then it just turned... 581 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,160 A few minutes? Yeah. I had to walk away sometimes. I had to go like, 582 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,720 "We're not doing this." 583 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,720 And every time you'd probably try to hype ourselves up to come see you, 584 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,080 and it was like a massive... I'm so sorry. 585 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,760 If we planned it three weeks in advance, 586 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,200 mentally just getting prepared just to see you for half an hour. 587 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,440 It was horrible. And it was constant. 588 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,200 And there was nothing I could do to help you. 589 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,960 Get myself together. Yeah. 590 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,160 Erm... Come. You know, talking about this... 591 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,560 this happened. 592 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,320 And I realised... 593 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,960 ..it's... 594 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,400 ..not...not me being bipolar, or it is me being bipolar, 595 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,400 it's damaging the people I love. 596 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,280 The people around me. 597 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,720 So I'm sorry. 598 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,840 All right. 599 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,920 Right. 600 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,480 And I don't think you have to say that, because we know. 601 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,680 We know you kind of were in a bit of a world of your own 602 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,880 on certain points, 603 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,120 and this conversation needs to be had, isn't it? 604 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,680 I think. Because we're... Yes. 605 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,760 But I just want you to know that I love you. 606 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,360 I forgive you for everything. I'm really proud to be your son. 607 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,840 I'm just waiting for my lips to stop quivering. 608 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,160 I want to thank you. Thank you for this. 609 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,040 I want you to know how sincerely sorry I am. 610 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,480 I love you. 611 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,440 I love you, my children, so much. 612 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,480 And I can see it now. 613 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:09,960 Should we hug it out? Come on. 614 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,000 Thank you. 615 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,400 Thank you. 616 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,720 Now I can see how distant I became as a father. 617 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:40,360 I didn't realise I was hurting any of my kids in those moments, 618 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,360 but that can be changed now. So this is a really big... 619 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,720 ..turn of a page. 620 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,160 INTERVIEWER: I know this is difficult, but I'd like to talk 621 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,560 about the time just before you were sectioned. 622 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440 Erm... 623 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440 HE SIGHS 624 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,240 ..my perception of the days leading up to my hospitalisation 625 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,360 and the reality that I've since learned from Melanie 626 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,120 are really quite different, quite different pictures. 627 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,640 At this point, we are in mid-October, 628 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000 between September and October, yeah. 629 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,400 And I just feel everything escalating. 630 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,600 The levels of energy, the sensitivity, let's say, 631 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,680 the way of reacting to things. 632 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,640 I didn't really see that there was anything wrong. 633 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,920 I was in a good mood. 634 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440 I was really... I was thinking I was happy. 635 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,280 You could see that he was all over the place. 636 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,520 I went to visit Heston in France. 637 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,880 I had no idea things were spiralling out of control. 638 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,720 I had no idea about that. 639 00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:01,480 Pretty much from the get go, he was hyper. 640 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,000 Heston's dog Harry. One of these days that we were there, 641 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,800 he was stood there and he was like, "Yeah, I've been working on 642 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,360 "this thing where I talk to him telepathically." 643 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560 And I was like, "OK." 644 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640 And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch. 645 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,640 "Look at the dog, look at the dog, look at the dog, 646 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,960 you know, "watch this." 647 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,240 He felt this was, you know, important and...and real. 648 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,840 He seemed obviously intense 649 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,800 and his train of thought was different. 650 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,240 He wasn't sleeping any more, but at all. At all. 651 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,600 He had ideas, 652 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,880 but the ideas were a kind of nonsense. 653 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,040 Yeah, I had these feelings of, I'd say, grandiosity, 654 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,640 or I was like Superman. 655 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,160 I believed that I could change the world. 656 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,520 For example, I thought I could solve the water crisis 657 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,120 by getting everyone access to clean drinking water. 658 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,120 TV chef Heston Blumenthal shocked the world today 659 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,640 by bringing an end to the water crisis. 660 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,560 It comes just days after he successfully brokered world peace. 661 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,800 How the hell was I going to do that all by myself? I don't know. 662 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,160 But I believed in it. 663 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,920 He was starting to lock himself in his universe, 664 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,360 and we were absolutely disconnected. 665 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,400 Something changed. 666 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,520 He started to really being obsessed with, 667 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,840 "Yes, I need to organise my will." 668 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,400 OK. Anyone can do that. 669 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,160 Erm... "But why I do not organise my death? 670 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,960 "We have a connection with the number seven, 671 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,360 "so why not in seven years?" 672 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,440 And then it turns like, "Why we don't do it together?" 673 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,400 It's just... Something is not OK. 674 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,640 At this point, for me, these things were not OK. 675 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,200 It sort of feels a bit weird to sort of say it out loud, 676 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,520 but...Heston's one of those people that I sort of thought 677 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,680 that maybe at some point I'd get that phone call, 678 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,840 that he wasn't, you know, he hadn't done well. 679 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,240 I had that feeling. 680 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,840 He started to have this hallucination. 681 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,720 I just saw this gun on the table. 682 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,560 I was inquisitive, I'd say. 683 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,720 Er...I touched it. I didn't pick it up. 684 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,720 Afterwards, I wondered if it was actually a real gun on the table, 685 00:41:58,720 --> 00:41:59,800 would I have used it? 686 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,440 And I asked myself this question. 687 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,040 I'd like to think I wouldn't have done. 688 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,640 But I don't know. Erm... 689 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,440 That just... That disturbed Melanie. 690 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,000 You realise that he's started to really be a danger to himself. 691 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,280 Unfortunately, you can't bring someone to reason 692 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,040 to follow you to the hospital. 693 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,760 There's just one way. It's, er... Yeah. 694 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:31,880 Calling the medical team to see if they section him or not. 695 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,680 It's a lot of guilt. 696 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,800 It's a lot of guilt. It's a lot of questions. It's... 697 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,960 Me, I had to keep in my mind, like, "He's going to hate me. 698 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,200 "He's going to hate me." 699 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:57,960 But at this point, if I left him like that, 700 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,560 it could be also not helping him? 701 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,200 Looking at him... 702 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,680 ..I don't know, dying? Because it was that, we were on this point. 703 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,240 Erm... 704 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,960 Yeah, it's, it's... It's tough. 705 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,600 I spent two weeks in the psychiatric hospital, 706 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,480 then moved to a specialist clinic for six weeks, 707 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,160 so it was a total of two months. 708 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,040 Would I have sectioned myself? No way. 709 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,120 But she had to do it for me and for herself as well. 710 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,720 Looking back at it... 711 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,160 ..the alternative was not an option, 712 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,920 because I wouldn't be here any more. 713 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:02,080 My bipolar had to progress to a point where I was a danger to myself 714 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,120 before anyone could raise the alarm. 715 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,720 Being known for my energy and creativity 716 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,240 might have made people less likely to question my behaviour. 717 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,200 It's estimated that one in three people with bipolar 718 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,880 only get their diagnosis after being hospitalised, 719 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,160 so I've been speaking openly about my condition 720 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,880 to help raise awareness. 721 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,520 I'm in a lucky position 722 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,000 that I have a platform... 723 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,760 ..to...to actually spread the word 724 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,120 to make people more aware of the condition. 725 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,000 Lovely to see you. Lovely to see you, guys. Take care. 726 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,040 What kind of impact, then, has the diagnosis had on you? 727 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,000 The more time passes since I came out of hospital, 728 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,520 the more I can look back and think, 729 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,080 "Oh, my God, that behaviour wasn't normal." 730 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,680 I mean, how are you now? 731 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,320 They've been reducing my... 732 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,280 Er, the doctor's reducing my medication, 733 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,320 but I feel I'm stabilising, which is...which is really good. 734 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,440 Heston, thanks so much. 735 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,720 Really appreciate you talking so openly. Thank you. 736 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,720 Afterwards, I was overwhelmed by the number of people 737 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,760 who got in touch to share their own stories. 738 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,920 Many told me about the poor level of support they've received. 739 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,960 There are an estimated 1 million people with bipolar here in the UK. 740 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,480 Are we doing enough to look after them? 741 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,160 So this is the main BBC newsroom. 742 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,920 It's one of the biggest newsrooms in the world. 743 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,960 In the world? Yeah. What's...? That's the studio over there? 744 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,680 That's one of the news studios. 745 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,640 If you walk in the background of that one, 746 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,200 then you can be sometimes seen. 747 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,160 Health investigations reporter Chloe Hayward 748 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,440 has spent months researching bipolar care, 749 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480 talking to patients up and down the country. 750 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,800 More people have bipolar in this country than have dementia. 751 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,920 But when I sent emails to NHS England saying, "Please can 752 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,080 "I have some information around the number people with bipolar, 753 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,720 "the number of beds for people with bipolar," 754 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,160 it was, like, "We're really sorry, we can't give you that information, 755 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,520 "but we can give it to you for dementia and schizophrenia." 756 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,040 So do you think the health service are not doing enough? 757 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,400 I think when it comes to bipolar, 758 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,720 there is a lot of capacity to do more. 759 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,360 One of the key things is the fact that in this country, 760 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,400 it's total pot luck. 761 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640 Where you live reflects how good your care is. 762 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,920 This map - so this is the number of psychiatrists available 763 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,200 per 100,000 people in the country. 764 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,040 So in Scotland, you've got 22 per 100,000 people. 765 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,160 And think how spread out Scotland is. 766 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,000 So the distances people are having to travel to try and get that care. 767 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560 Yeah. But when you look at Wales and the south west - 768 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,200 so Wales less than 17, south west less than 16 psychiatrists 769 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,240 per 100,000 of the population. 770 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,920 And we're not talking about just psychiatrists 771 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,800 that are looking after people with a bipolar diagnosis. 772 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,680 We're talking about people with dementia, 773 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,760 people with schizophrenia, 774 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,520 we're talking about people with depression. 775 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,680 And of course, you need a psychiatrist to get a diagnosis. 776 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,440 Absolutely. You cannot get a bipolar diagnosis without seeing 777 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,720 a psychiatrist in this country. 778 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,600 So what's the result of this poor level of care regarding bipolar? 779 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,400 The numbers are very stark in terms of quality of life 780 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,720 and outcome for life. 781 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,720 So the number of people taking their own lives, 782 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,560 who have a bipolar diagnosis, is on the rise. 783 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,120 So quite in contrast to overall population rates, 784 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480 where actually the suicide rates are falling. 785 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,400 I thought Chloe said some things that were really quite disturbing. 786 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,920 I mean, the sheer lack of psychiatrists that we've got 787 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,800 in this country means that people, to get a diagnosis, 788 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,040 they have to wait for years. 789 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,720 And when you consider you've got the manic highs, 790 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:54,360 where they can be wonderful for people to do some 791 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,600 very dangerous things, and then you get the manic lows 792 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:03,160 where you have attempted or actual suicide. 793 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,160 It's really dangerous. It's a terrible situation. 794 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,600 Chloe has suggested I come to Clacton-on-Sea 795 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,400 to meet a family that's experienced this first-hand. 796 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,400 Rebecca McLellan, a student paramedic, 797 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,200 was diagnosed with bipolar aged 22. 798 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,480 My bipolar right now be popping, right? 799 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,120 I'm in a mixed episode. It's been like it for a few weeks. 800 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,160 All in a day's work, if you like. 801 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,040 But just two years later, 802 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,800 in her flat in Ipswich, she died by suicide. 803 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,040 Her mother, Natalie, feels that the poor care Rebecca received 804 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,160 contributed to her death. 805 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,160 So, Natalie, tell me about Rebecca. 806 00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,440 Well, where do you start about Rebecca? 807 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,960 I'll show you some photographs of her, 808 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,000 because it's important for you to see who she was. 809 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,360 Lovely smile. She did. 810 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,400 She was always smiling when she was well. 811 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,440 She was a very bright, funny, beautiful, well thought of person. 812 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,760 There's some beautiful photographs here. 813 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,800 Yeah. I don't think she really took a bad one. 814 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,160 When did you first realise Rebecca was struggling? 815 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,040 She was about 21 at that point, when she actually first went to 816 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,560 the doctors and said, "I think there's something going on." 817 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,040 So she was aware and started to try and do something about it? 818 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,760 She did, yeah. Yeah. She went and talked to them. 819 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,560 I think she thought that they were going to give her 820 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,640 some antidepressants and off she'd go. I don't think for one second 821 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,200 she thought that she was going to get the diagnosis that she did, 822 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,400 and she didn't get it straight away either. 823 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,920 It wasn't until 2022 that she was actually diagnosed with bipolar. 824 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,160 Yeah. 825 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,280 Over the next year, 826 00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,360 Rebecca tried various medications to manage her bipolar, 827 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,320 but they proved ineffective, 828 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,440 and her wellbeing started to deteriorate. 829 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,360 So we get to sort of May '23, 830 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,080 and she had serious suicidal ideation. 831 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,880 She was telling them that she was suicidal. 832 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520 She didn't tell anyone else. 833 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,040 She was having massive depressive episodes at that point, 834 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,560 and she was ringing the mental health unit saying, "I need help. 835 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,080 "I need someone to ring me back. I need to come in." 836 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,960 And what happens? Nothing. Nothing? They didn't... 837 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,040 They didn't call her back. They didn't get back in touch with her. 838 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,440 And that takes us to the 7th of August. 839 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,000 She presented herself at the Mental Health Crisis Unit, 840 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,360 and that was where she'd been referred to by her GP. 841 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,320 That was where they told her to go if she was in crisis. 842 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,120 She begged for help. 843 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,280 They... I've got video footage 844 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,400 of them talking over her for six minutes. 845 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,440 I'll play you the video. 846 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,720 ON VIDEO: I can't, I can't go to A&E. 847 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:56,520 I work for the Ambulance Service. I'm not going over to A&E. 848 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,280 Like I say, I don't care who it is, 849 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,040 any kind of mental health professional, 850 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,000 any kind of mental health professional. 851 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,560 It doesn't even have to be my team, a psychiatrist, anything. 852 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,720 I'm not going to go over it again. 853 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,520 Every single time I get promised a call back, 854 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,240 and nothing, and literally nothing ha... And nothing... 855 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:16,600 ..but you are going to need to see, 856 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,480 if there is nobody available to see you, and I'm sorry about that. 857 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,920 I saw my GP on Wednesday. 858 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,360 Erm, she called personally herself, raising her concerns. 859 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,560 I'd actually called the day before, and they said that they'd call me 860 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,160 and have me in, and things have reached that point, 861 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,240 and I don't mean to be a bitch, 862 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,560 but I'm not leaving until I speak to someone. 863 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,560 Because we'll call police or security. 864 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,560 Please do. I just need to speak to anyone at all. 865 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,480 I need speak to someone. Anyone at all. 866 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,600 "I'll call the police." Yeah. It's outrageous. 867 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,600 It's outrageous. She's just been kicked away. Yeah. 868 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,800 God. Yeah. 869 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,880 And that's really difficult to watch. 870 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,240 Really difficult. Sorry. 871 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:09,960 Sorry. 872 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,880 I saw her about a week and a half later, 873 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,240 and they'd put her on an antidepressant at that point. 874 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:28,320 In the following months, Rebecca's mental health improved, 875 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,360 but after a suspected adverse reaction to one of her medications, 876 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,360 her psychiatrist insisted that she switched to lithium instead. 877 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,360 Lithium is a safe and effective treatment, 878 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,920 but requires careful management. 879 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,440 She was terrified of lithium. 880 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,200 You have to titrate off of all of your drugs. 881 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,280 Yeah. Then go on to the lithium. I've gone through that. 882 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,440 I think she thought that she was going to have to do that 883 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,720 with no mental health support, 884 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:57,920 because that's what she'd experienced. 885 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,360 That was her whole experience, 886 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,240 that she was going to be titrated off of everything... 887 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,160 With no support. No support. 888 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,800 She'd rang them back and said, 889 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,880 "I really don't want to go on lithium." 890 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,200 She rang them and contacted them several times over a couple of days. 891 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,640 They were supposed to come back to her, 892 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,920 and they didn't come back to her. 893 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,120 And then she took her life on the 20th. 894 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,320 She thought that she had no option. 895 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,640 You know? I'm so sorry. 896 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,720 Thank you. 897 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,560 It's not easy. No, it can't be. No. 898 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,960 And I think, erm... 899 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:39,480 ..losing her... Yeah. ..is awful. 900 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,880 Losing her when something could have been done about it, 901 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,800 or certainly her suffering could have been less... Yeah. 902 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,160 ..is, erm, far worse. 903 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,320 You know, she, on paper, had it all, Heston. And I think, 904 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,320 like yourself, you know, she was successful, 905 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,280 she was popular, she was doing the career she wanted, 906 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,040 she had a flat, she had a nice car. Yeah. She had it all. 907 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,160 But actually, that doesn't mean that it can't take you, 908 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,720 it can't take over your life if it's not managed correctly. 909 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:16,360 And actually, all she wanted was some help to manage it properly. 910 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:22,360 And I try not to be bitter, but I get very angry. 911 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,800 She absolutely suffered more than she needed to suffer. 912 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,480 And that's, you know, that's a fact. 913 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,760 That's a fact. That's tough. 914 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,520 You don't ever want your children to suffer. That... 915 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,960 I don't... 916 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,880 It's tough. It's really tough. Yeah. 917 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,880 And this must be really close to the bone for you because this 918 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,640 is what you live, just like she did, you know? 919 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,920 And you're not on your own. 920 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,480 Other people are out there feeling the same. Yeah, exactly. 921 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,240 That was an eye-opener, for sure. 922 00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:14,360 Erm, I was lucky in that, with my sectioning, 923 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,560 I was being monitored, and then afterwards, I had support. 924 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,840 But the nature of this condition, 925 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,760 if there isn't the care, the support network, 926 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,200 around individuals with bipolar... 927 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,200 then... Look at Rebecca. People will take their lives. 928 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,400 And the longer it takes to get this sorted out, 929 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,720 the more lives will be lost. 930 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,960 We are letting people down in the UK who have bipolar disorder. 931 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,160 Someone with bipolar untreated can die 932 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,560 at least 10 or 15 years earlier than the general population. 933 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,840 And that's a real tragedy and that doesn't need to happen. 934 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,480 You can have a perfectly beautiful, normal life. 935 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,880 Sadly, we just don't have the structures 936 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,440 and the services that support patients, 937 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,200 so that's what we need to change. 938 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,400 Picked a nice day for it, Heston. Yeah, it's lovely. 939 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,880 Over the last 30 years, The Fat Duck has shaped me 940 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,320 more than anything else in my life. 941 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,720 Funnily enough, 942 00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,640 maybe the hardest thing of all in the recovery process 943 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,640 when I was in hospital is that it took me away from the restaurant. 944 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,040 OK, here we go. 945 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,200 Hello! How are you? I'm very good. Nice to see you. 946 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,120 Good to see you. Hey, how's it going? 947 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,440 How are you? Good. Hi, chaps. Chapettes. Chapesses. 948 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,720 When we started making this programme, 949 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,600 I was concerned, apprehensive, let's say, 950 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,400 that maybe my creativity and my imagination would go, 951 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,640 would disappear. 952 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,880 Hey, how's it going? How are you? Yeah, good, man. 953 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,280 Hi, chaps. Hello, Chef. 954 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,640 But I'm still full of creativity, imagination, 955 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,640 and happy to be alive. 956 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,120 This is snail porridge. The famous snail porridge. 957 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,720 Was I worried for him? Yeah. 958 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,720 But I can only see him getting more positive from here. 959 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,320 That's who he is. 960 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,880 Backs, please. 961 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,320 And now I've got my husband, 962 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,600 who is waking up with a smile, who is motivated. 963 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,880 It's a process, but it's a good one. It's a good one. 964 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,280 So this is the chocolate room. 965 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,160 I still have bipolar, and I had bipolar before, 966 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,360 I just don't have those manic states. 967 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,000 Never a million miles away from a jug of liquid nitrogen here. 968 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,120 The peaks of my manic highs have shrunk 969 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,480 and the depths of the lows have risen. 970 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,440 But I'm still Heston. 971 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,040 Want to know more about the lived experience of bipolar? 972 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,840 Watch the Open University's new animation, 973 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,400 which brings a personal account to life. 974 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,280 Scan the QR code on screen or visit... 975 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,880 ..and follow the links 976 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,200 to the Open University. 80497

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