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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 0 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,960 [record static] 1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,200 [upbeat Motown music] 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,600 Ms. Ross, 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:13,920 Diana, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,800 "The Boss." 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,120 - The camera loved her. 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,440 The mic loved her. 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,920 From being the queen of Motown- 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,480 - That group is so ubiquitous and so powerful 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,040 that when the Beatles come to America for the first time, 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,960 they wanna meet The Supremes. 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,640 - to taking on the world stage, 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,920 this supreme diva has sold 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,560 over 100 million records worldwide. 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,040 Her career has spanned decades, 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,360 attracting generation after generation of loyal fans 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,720 - Diana Ross was glamorous. 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,160 She was able to do that for us Black women. 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,560 She showed us how to do it. 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:08,880 Big hair, 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,400 sequins, 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,240 scandals, and sensational performances. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,480 Diana really did turn the world upside down. 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,160 - People think of Diana as like the ultimate diva. 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,840 Recording star, a TV star, a movie star. 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,240 [camera clicking] 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,600 - She just becomes this phenomenon. 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,280 [film reel clicking] [slow music] 28 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Diana was born in Detroit, Michigan 29 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,200 on March 26th, 1944. 30 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Detroit is a city in Midwestern America 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,520 that was known as the "Motor City." 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,520 - Though Diana grew up in Detroit, 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,760 for a brief period she was in Alabama 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,320 where her mother had TB, 35 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,000 and she was relocated there and lived with her aunt. 36 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,400 And when she came back, 37 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,200 she lived in the Brewster Housing Project. 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,080 - Most Black people are working class then, 39 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,920 so we are in what's called "the ghetto." 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,000 So we live in areas, I was born in one, 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,280 where the whole district was red lined by banks. 42 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,160 So even if you had the money as a Black person, 43 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,640 you couldn't get a mortgage, you couldn't get a loan. 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,240 White people started moving out of the areas. 45 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,840 The services were kind of diminished, 46 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:59,840 and it was just Black people living in dire conditions, 47 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:04,920 rat-infested, poor sanitation, all of that. 48 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,160 So that's how the ghetto was. 49 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,320 Although many minorities have good jobs, 50 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,640 vast numbers still do not have an equal opportunity. 51 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,520 When Diana was younger, 52 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,480 she had an interest in being a fashion designer. 53 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,360 She took various classes and textiles and clothing design. 54 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,040 She would take modeling and cosmetology classes 55 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,120 in the evenings. 56 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,840 Diana had a Baptist upbringing. 57 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,360 She would begin singing in the gospel choir 58 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,040 alongside her family. 59 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,360 - I grew up in Chicago on the south side, 60 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,160 so Detroit and Chicago, Philadelphia, 61 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,320 these places were kind of the reciprocal cities 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,480 for the great migration after World War I. 63 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,640 When people left, technically, they were plantations, 64 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,960 but they weren't, left the south to migrate to the north 65 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,400 to work in the cities, to work in the factories, 66 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,720 and what they brought with them 67 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,760 was their tradition of church. 68 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,600 And so you bring this to the north as a kind of solace, 69 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,040 as a way to connect and stay connected to your roots, 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,840 but also as a way to keep communicating to God. 71 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,200 Black people were working in the factories 72 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:25,880 under really not great conditions. 73 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,760 They were discriminated against. 74 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:29,960 They were in competition with other ethnic groups 75 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,080 like the Irish and the Poles. 76 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,360 And then you had the racism, 77 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,360 which still exists, of the police. 78 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,680 So therefore, the church becomes this great solace, 79 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,360 this place where you can gather 80 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,280 and not be busted by the cops 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,400 or harassed by, you know, people who hate you. 82 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,240 And you can sing to the Redeemer, to God. 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,840 Berry Gordy was the son of one of the workers 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,000 who came to Detroit during the great migration. 85 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,600 Berry himself would grow up to work 86 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,480 as a car manufacturer in the city. 87 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,760 In the 50s, four out of five cars were made in the USA, 88 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,000 with Detroit as the prosperous center of this. 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,320 [film reel clicking] [upbeat music] 90 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,240 And Detroit put the world on wheels. 91 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,440 In one generation, 92 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,200 these and other names created America's number one industry, 93 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,240 birthplace of the production line, 94 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,840 and the unheard of idea that everybody can ride. 95 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,960 Vision with know-how, that's Detroit. 96 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,840 Berry and Diana would both be dreamers, 97 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,360 both envision bigger things for their lives. 98 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,200 In somewhere like the Detroit housing projects, 99 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:43,720 the odds of success and stardom were stacked 100 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,680 against children like Diana. 101 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,440 Back then, glamor and luxury were something 102 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,960 that would be seen only on television. 103 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,960 - My generation was the first generation 104 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,640 of kids with screens. 105 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,040 We were glued to this huge thing in the middle of the room 106 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,640 called the television. 107 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,320 We were raised by television. 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,600 We were plopped down in front of television. 109 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,480 Television, television, television. 110 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,880 I'm sure Diana Ross saw these too, 111 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,760 where these movies started being released 112 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:19,000 from archives of 20th Century Fox, Metro, Warner Brothers, 113 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,920 these incredibly glamorous movies. 114 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Jean Harlow, Betty Davis, incredible, Ingrid Bergman. 115 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,440 We saw these things on TV 116 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,520 with our milk and cookies as little girls, 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,080 and it was like, "my God, they're gorgeous!" 118 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,520 So I'm looking at TV, 119 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,520 looking at these glorious, glamorous stuff, and so is she. 120 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:35,800 We weren't thinking about, 121 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,560 "Where's the black version of it?" 122 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,400 but Berry Gordy was thinking of it. 123 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,840 And so how do you encompass 124 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,000 that generational feeling into a product? 125 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,600 And so he invents Motown. 126 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 [upbeat music] 127 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,320 Motown was a record label started by Gordy 128 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,120 in a modest two-story home in Detroit. 129 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Its studio was called Hitsville USA. 130 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,400 - Well, Berry Gordy was like an entrepreneur, a music man. 131 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:10,760 He created Motown Records, 132 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,560 which is an incredibly influential record label. 133 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,360 - It's short for Motor City, 134 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,280 'cause all the cars were made in Detroit, 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,680 so he called it Motown. 136 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,120 Its unique approach to creating songs 137 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,520 was described as factory-like. 138 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,600 Gordy was inspired by the fast methods of production 139 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,360 in Detroit's motor industry. 140 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,120 Artists at Motown would often go on long tours together, 141 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,360 return to Detroit to record as many songs as possible, 142 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,640 then go back on tour for weeks on end. 143 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,880 The Hitsville Studios were active 22 hours a day. 144 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,520 The aim was to generate 145 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,280 as many chart topping hits as they could. 146 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,240 - That was called the "hit machine." 147 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,960 So that was the job, okay, period. 148 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Motown was known for its rigorous schools of etiquette. 149 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,600 How the acts presented and carried themselves was paramount. 150 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,800 The label had a unique in-house finishing school, 151 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,040 which was run by Maxine Powell. 152 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Diana will call her, 153 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,160 "The person who taught me everything I know." 154 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,680 Like Diana, many of the talented Motown artists 155 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,960 had grown up in the projects. 156 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,720 It was Maxine's job to teach these young people 157 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,000 to carry themselves like royalty. 158 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,160 The visual style and choreography of Motown acts 159 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,240 would become an iconic signifier of the label. 160 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,520 - It was this idea that they would be as good as, 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,280 if not better, than the comparable white acts of the day. 162 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,120 The presentation was always immaculate. 163 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,120 The choreography was always perfect. 164 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,040 The hair was always, you know, pristinely done. 165 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,480 It was a big part of the Motown factory. 166 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,640 - Motown records contributed 167 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,320 to Detroit's rich urban tapestry in the 1960s 168 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,440 as the city became the backdrop to Diana's 169 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,400 and many others' careers. 170 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,480 So you've got these really slick, beautiful guys, like The Temptations. 171 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:13,920 You got Marvin Gaye, and you get a girl group. 172 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,680 You have to have a girl group. 173 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,320 - Paul Williams, who was one of the, 174 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,160 who later became one of The Temptations, 175 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,280 was in a group called The Primes, 176 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,160 and their manager wanted to have a female counterpart, 177 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,160 and so the idea of The Primettes were born, 178 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,880 The Primettes were made up of Diana Ross, 179 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,280 Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard, 180 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,440 and Paul Williams' girlfriend, Betty McGlown. 181 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,600 They were a group of starry-eyed teens 182 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:39,280 who had grown up in Detroit. 183 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,640 - So by the late 50s, 184 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,440 The Primettes were quite known in Detroit. 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,160 And so Diana called up Smokey, an old friend of hers. 186 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,680 They dated when they were kids. 187 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Smokey was already a big star 188 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,760 with The Miracles on Motown Records. 189 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,320 Diana pestered Smokey to get them an audition 190 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,720 with Motown Records. 191 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:56,920 And eventually, 192 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,240 they auditioned acapella in front of Berry Gordy. 193 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,760 But he thought they were too young, so he didn't sign them. 194 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,960 But it didn't stop them, especially Diana, 195 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,440 'cause Diana's always been known for that absolute focus 196 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,400 and ambition and drive. 197 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,520 The group would begin to hang out at Motown HQ. 198 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,760 They would offer their assistance on tracks, 199 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,280 whether it be clapping, backing vocals, 200 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,360 or playing the tambourine. 201 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,400 - Eventually, by 1961, Berry gave in and signed them. 202 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,320 But not as The Primettes. He wanted to change their name. 203 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,200 Florence Ballad actually chose the name, The Supremes. 204 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,520 Soon Betty would leave The Supremes to get engaged. 205 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,280 She was promptly replaced with Barbara Martin, 206 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,880 who in turn got engaged and left the group. 207 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,000 The Supremes continued as a trio made up of Florence, Mary, 208 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,560 and of course, Diana. 209 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,320 - This group, this girl group, 210 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,080 this super group who were glamorous, 211 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,720 they were glorious looking. 212 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,240 The hair, the sequence, plus they sang like angels. 213 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,560 So it was all perfect. 214 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,960 - Motown was trying to get them a hit for years. 215 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,040 It took about three years 216 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,640 before The Supremes had their first hit. 217 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,880 They were known as the "no-hit Supremes," 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,840 because they kept putting record out after record out 219 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:13,680 and nothing was happening. 220 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,920 They weren't catching fire. 221 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,440 However, this all changed in 1964 222 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,040 with their first number one, "Where Did Our Love Go." 223 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,040 [upbeat Motown music] 224 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,160 - Diana Ross was glamorous, but she was down to earth. 225 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,560 We could hear in her voice 226 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,560 those sort of same southern resonances 227 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,040 that were in the voices around us. 228 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,440 It was the pitch of her voice, which was, 229 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,080 when I think about it now, extremely interesting, 230 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,360 because it was high pitched, it was... 231 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,560 it was girly. 232 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,800 The success of "Where Did Our Love Go" 233 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,440 was followed by four consecutive US number ones, 234 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,320 including hits like "Stop in the Name of Love" 235 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,160 and "Baby Love." 236 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,240 [upbeat Motown music] 237 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,880 They were no longer the "no-hit Supremes." 238 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,800 The group's popularity was exploding. 239 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,200 [upbeat Motown music] 240 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,880 The Supremes would tour across America, 241 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,720 and then all over the world. 242 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,720 [upbeat Motown music continues] 243 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,200 [traffic noises] [horn honks] 244 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,320 [cameras clicking] 245 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,280 The Motown sound was growing and growing. 246 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,160 The rise of The Supremes coincided 247 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,000 with the rise of television. 248 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,360 They would appear on "The Ed Sullivan Show." 249 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,760 - They were a crossover group, 250 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,760 maybe the first Black crossover group 251 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:42,920 because they were on this show 252 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,960 called "The Ed Sullivan Show," which was a variety show. 253 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,320 The Beatles were on that show as well. 254 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,600 I mean, he broke all these groups. 255 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,000 These were people we were listening to on radio 256 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,040 who suddenly were on this mainstream 257 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,520 eight or nine o'clock in the evening, Sunday night show. 258 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,280 Big deal. Big, big, big deal. 259 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,680 - I think you can't underestimate how powerful the image 260 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,360 of these three immaculately dressed women 261 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,200 appearing on television. 262 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,520 Three Black women that represented 263 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,760 this sort of aspirational glamor, 264 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,920 this potential to be seen, 265 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,520 to be someone, to be a kind of a superstar. 266 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,320 That really had an impact. 267 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 [camera clicking] 268 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:35,520 - When I think about it now, 269 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,600 it was so flawlessly spot on in terms of marketing, 270 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,960 in terms of understanding, you know, my generation, 271 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Their television appearances were a key part 272 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,120 of their rise to mainstream fame. 273 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,480 People could tune in and see them. 274 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,280 And previously, you know, on television, 275 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:55,840 you wouldn't really see these representations 276 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:56,920 of Black people. 277 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,800 [upbeat Motown music] 278 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,240 In the 1940s and 50s, America was racially segregated. 279 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,120 Montgomery, Alabama in 1955 280 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,840 was the beginning. 281 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,720 In the heart of the deep south. 282 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,600 Montgomery's traditional pattern of segregation 283 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,800 touched all forms of the city's life. 284 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,760 The long frustration 285 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,840 which this produced in its negro citizens 286 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,640 erupted when a colored seamstress riding in a bus 287 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,640 refused to honor the traditions of segregated seating. 288 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,440 From this incident, 289 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,880 grew a protest movement headed by Dr. King, 290 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,840 then an obscure pastor of a Baptist church in Montgomery. 291 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,640 The 1960s represented a change 292 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,080 in race relations in the US. 293 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,720 [gospel singing] 294 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,000 On August 28th, 1963, 295 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,120 200,000 Americans came to Washington 296 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,280 to demand complete freedom for everyone. 297 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,720 This is the story... Motown was significant 298 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,560 for being a Black-owned corporation 299 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,360 that had a place in the mainstream. 300 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,280 - I think socially, Motown, 301 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,400 The Supremes contributed a lot to the social movement 302 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,120 of Black people in America. 303 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,960 First of all, prior to that, 304 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,560 you had to drink out of water fountains that said, 305 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,320 "For colored only," or "For white only." 306 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,880 And if you were caught drinking out of a white, you know, 307 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,800 you could be hung or whatever. 308 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,600 I think that our music really came along 309 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,840 at the right time socially. 310 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,760 So it helped the world to see 311 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,640 that Black people were beautiful. 312 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,000 [calm music] 313 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,240 Its songs were written for universal audiences. 314 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,360 They had a simple immediacy that made them hits. 315 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,160 - And music is kind of like an ambassador. 316 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,680 It brings people together, you know? It really does. 317 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,840 No matter what language you speak, no matter what, 318 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,200 music makes you happy. 319 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,640 It's always been that way throughout the years. 320 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,840 The Supremes were a crossover group 321 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,040 in the truest sense of the term, 322 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:08,240 capturing white and Black audiences equally. 323 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,360 They became a symbol of changing race relations 324 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,440 and the breaking of racial barriers. 325 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,040 - That group is so ubiquitous and so powerful 326 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,000 that when the Beatles come to America for the first time, 327 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,600 they wanna meet The Supremes. 328 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,000 Their high visibility as talented, glamorous, 329 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,040 successful Black women had a groundbreaking cultural impact. 330 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:36,400 - You know, the big role models are Audrey Hepburn, 331 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,520 Twiggy, Jackie Kennedy, 332 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,600 and then comes Diana Ross, who can do all of those things, 333 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:46,880 look like that. 334 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,080 She can do the hair, she can do the body, 335 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,040 she can do all of these things, 336 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,920 but she can also sing, which is what they can't do. 337 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,400 We were also as Black girls looking at Vogue. 338 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,920 Diana Ross had to actually be an embodiment of that. 339 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,840 She was able to do that for us Black women. 340 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,240 She showed us how to do it. 341 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,880 Diana and fashion was always interlinked. 342 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,480 I mean, you look at The Supremes, 343 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,560 them all wearing identical gowns and outfits. 344 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,320 It was always very kind of pristine and elegant 345 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,080 and sophisticated and high fashion. 346 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Diana Ross's hair locks alone 347 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,600 is a whole sort of thesis in itself. 348 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,280 - She just becomes this phenomenon. 349 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:28,520 From the outside, 350 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,200 The Supremes appear to be unstoppable, 351 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,560 but underneath the diamond encrusted gowns 352 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,760 and fastidiously groomed hair, 353 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,440 cracks within the group were starting to show. 354 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,760 - As The Supremes got bigger, 355 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,520 and Diana being the leader of The Supremes, 356 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,400 the media were much more interested in Diana 357 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,200 than the other girls. 358 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,600 So she always became the focus. 359 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,760 When they were doing a photo shoot 360 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,760 or a TV interview, everyone wanted to speak to Diana. 361 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,240 And inevitably, tensions and jealousies arose 362 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,320 because of that. 363 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,560 [camera clicking] 364 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,640 Berry Gordy's relationship with Diana 365 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,000 had always been different 366 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,560 to how he interacted with the other girls. 367 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,800 During the 60s, 368 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,480 Diana and Berry would engage in a romantic relationship. 369 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,400 Barry would father Diana's first child, Rhonda. 370 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,200 - Berry's interest in Diana 371 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,880 became a bit difficult for the other girls. 372 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,800 He saw her star power. 373 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,280 [pensive music] 374 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,280 The camera loved her, the mic loved her. 375 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,440 You know, she had this crystal clear 376 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,040 but strong voice that just cut through on the radio, 377 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,840 and was the perfect sort of vehicle 378 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,440 for the kind of crossover pop records that he was making. 379 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,560 When you watch those clips, those old clips of The Supremes, 380 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,840 your eye always immediately goes to Diana 381 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,120 because she has that charisma. 382 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,680 She has that kind of thousand watts star power 383 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,000 just beaming out of her. 384 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,400 You can't take your eyes off her. 385 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,080 - In 1967, after increasing problems 386 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,760 with alcohol and depression, 387 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,680 Florence Ballard was dismissed from the group. 388 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:18,120 [somber music] 389 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,040 She would be swiftly replaced with Cindy Birdsong, 390 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,680 a member of Patti LaBelle and the Blue Belles. 391 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,400 Florence Ballard's leaving spelt the beginning of the end 392 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,720 for The Supremes in their current form. 393 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,280 - By the late 60s, by 1967, 394 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,320 Berry made the decision to change the name of the group 395 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,760 to Diana Ross and The Supremes. 396 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,280 - We did begin to see that she was starting to be inched out 397 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,640 of the three of them. 398 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,800 - And they carried on and Cindy joined. 399 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,200 But the tensions didn't go away, 400 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,000 because by this point, you know, 401 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,040 she was having a relationship with Berry as well, 402 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:01,960 and she was having a very separate life 403 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:02,800 from the other girls. 404 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,760 They would do TV specials, 405 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,000 and often in the show, Diana will be doing solo numbers, 406 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,480 or Diana will be doing a duet with Sammy Davis 407 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,160 or with Diane Schuur, 408 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,920 whoever was the big star of the day, 409 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,400 it was really the Diana Ross Show co-starring The Supremes. 410 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,240 So it was inevitable that the band would break up 411 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,240 and that she would go solo. 412 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,120 Then the name change of the group fueled rumors 413 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,320 that Diana was being primed for a solo career. 414 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,400 In 1970, The Supremes would perform their last show 415 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,240 with Diana in the lineup. 416 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,360 It was time for Diana to go solo. 417 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,360 - I think she went solo in 1970 418 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,640 because the business had changed. 419 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,400 This whole kind of soul group thing 420 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,080 probably was coming to an end. 421 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,800 Also, it was the era of the singer songwriters, solo woman, 422 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,880 you know, women like Carole King. 423 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,120 So it was quite prescient of whoever decided to put Diana 424 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,000 as herself as a solo act, 425 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,360 because that's what we were listening to. 426 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,280 We were listening to solo singers. 427 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,800 [upbeat music] 428 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,680 She was the only woman, woman of color, Black woman, 429 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,640 who was doing that in the mainstream at that time. 430 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,080 - There was no guarantees you would become a megastar. 431 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,040 And in fact, in the early years 432 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,320 of Diana's solo career in the early 70s, 433 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,280 The Supremes, who carried on on their own, 434 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:32,720 they were still having hits, 435 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,080 and they were doing pretty well. 436 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,960 And Diana's first single "Reach Out And Touch," 437 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,720 wasn't the huge hit that they expected it to be. 438 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,040 It just got into the top 20, but it wasn't mega. 439 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:43,680 There was another track on the album, 440 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,480 "Ain't no Mountain High Enough" that DJs started playing. 441 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,760 It was such a brilliant vehicle for Diana 442 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,200 because it centered her voice. 443 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,800 It was like she was whispering in your ear. 444 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,640 And the majority 445 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,760 of the "Ain't no Mountain High Enough" record 446 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,520 is her speaking. 447 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,680 And it slowly builds and builds. 448 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,080 It's kind of dramatic, climactic moment in the record. 449 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,600 [upbeat music] 450 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,800 And that was what really put her on the map, 451 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,160 actually, that record. 452 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,680 It was her first number one. 453 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,800 - Killer hit, massive hit, and it made perfect sense. 454 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,360 - Diana's musical career in the 70s was interesting 455 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,880 because she had sort of like a big hit, 456 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,320 then some little hits, another big hit. 457 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,960 So it was kind of up and down. 458 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,400 But every couple of years, 459 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,920 Berry made sure she had an amazing record 460 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,760 that broke through, and then she'd have a number one smash. 461 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,440 So she had "Ain't no Mountain High Enough," 462 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,480 couple of years later, she had this amazing ballad 463 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,000 called "Touch Me in the Morning," another number one. 464 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,320 When Diana goes solo in the 70s, 465 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,960 she comes into her own really, 466 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,800 in terms of fashion, I think, and it really goes, 467 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,880 if she's already reached the top, 468 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,280 then she goes over the top. 469 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,080 You know, it is the sort of the Bob Mackie gowns 470 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,200 and the sort of sequined cat bodysuits, 471 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,240 and those kind of things. 472 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,120 So that's what Diana really becomes associated with. 473 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,120 It's just like kind of high glamor, 474 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,520 high fashion throughout the 70s. 475 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,160 Diana would soon release the album 476 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,160 "Diana and Marvin" with fellow Motown star, Marvin Gaye. 477 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,840 Diana had known Marvin Gaye for years. 478 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,160 I mean, The Supremes, 479 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,360 sung backgrounds on some of his early hits, 480 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,600 like "Can I Get a Witness." 481 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,680 So she had a long relationship with Marvin. 482 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,600 - Their voices were kind of in the same range, 483 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,880 the masculine, the feminine version of it. 484 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,360 You felt that they liked each other, they loved each other, 485 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440 they cared about each other in a, not in a romantic way, 486 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,640 but in a comradeship way. 487 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,560 In the 70s, 488 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,160 Diana would break into the world of movies. 489 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,320 - Well, Berry Gordy had this dream 490 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,680 to make Diana the Black Streisand 491 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,080 a recording star, a TV star, a movie star. 492 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,240 So the first project that Berry Gordy got for Diana 493 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,240 was the Billie Holiday life story, "Lady Sings the Blues." 494 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:18,120 [slow blues music] 495 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,960 At the time when it was announced 496 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,040 that Diana will play this role, 497 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,720 people were very skeptical about it 498 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,160 because Diana had this image 499 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,160 of being slightly frivolous pop music, 500 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,320 it was seen as, unfairly. 501 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,040 But that's how it was seen in comparison to Billie Holiday, 502 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,760 who was this real kind of legend of jazz music, you know, 503 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,840 little depth and pain in her music. 504 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,160 And so how could Diana possibly take this on? 505 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,240 But the film was a triumph for Diana. 506 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,760 I mean, if you see her in those scenes, it's incredible. 507 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,840 She really immersed herself in the role. 508 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,040 [somber blues music] 509 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,760 - She got an Oscar nomination for it, won a Golden Globe. 510 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,480 The album became a Double Platinum hit for her in every way. 511 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,440 "Lady Sings the Blues" 512 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,280 was a kind of a major turning point for Diana. 513 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,200 You know, claiming her sort of power as a superstar. 514 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,560 [crowd chatter] [cameras clicking] 515 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,880 - Then she does "Mahogany," 516 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,000 which is filmed in my hometown of Chicago. 517 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,600 So everybody's like screaming. 518 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,000 And when she plays what makes sense, a fashion designer. 519 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,840 In "Mahogany," 520 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,520 Diana's past as a hopeful fashion student came in handy 521 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,480 as she took the lead role and a costume design credit. 522 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,240 Berry Gordy would take over production on the film, 523 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,320 which led to clashes with Ross. 524 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,560 Diana also starred in the film adaptation of "The Wiz" 525 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,360 with Michael Jackson in 1978. 526 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,880 [funky music] 527 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,680 After she collaborated with Marvin Gaye, 528 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,560 Diana released albums such as "Last Time I saw Him" 529 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,520 and "Baby It's Me." 530 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,840 But in 1979, her album, "The Boss," 531 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,520 asserted herself as a symbol of the rising disco scene. 532 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,960 [upbeat disco music] 533 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,720 She was known to dance at the iconic disco club, Studio 54. 534 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,200 - By the mid 70s, disco was starting to come in, 535 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,560 and Diana really was on the first wave of that. 536 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,960 She recorded a track called "Love Hangover" 537 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,320 that was kind of like a proto-disco track really. 538 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,920 Diana had had already proven 539 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,800 that she could be a disco star in a way. 540 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,160 - Diana goes disco, which made perfect sense, 541 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,600 absolutely perfect sense. 542 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,000 Master stroke, you know, high disco, 543 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,280 high Diana walks, drag. 544 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,000 And she's wise to that. She's very smart about it. 545 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,880 It's a very clever album. Very clever. 546 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,200 - People didn't think it was her at the time 547 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,960 because she's doing these sort of gospel runs 548 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,040 and this kind of powerhouse vocals at the end 549 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,960 that don't seem like what you'd normally expect 550 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,200 from Diana Ross. 551 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,720 [upbeat disco music] 552 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,960 One of the great quality I think of Diana Ross 553 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,760 is that she could, she proved herself be so adaptable 554 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,360 to kind of genres over the years. 555 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,160 You know, she didn't just get fixed in the 60s 556 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,720 and the Motown sound. 557 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,840 She sustained her career over decades 558 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,800 because she could adapt 559 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,120 to whatever was the flavor of the time. 560 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,560 The disco scene was popular with gay men, 561 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,560 an audience with which Diana had already built up 562 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,960 a devout following. 563 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,880 - Disco was massive. 564 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,600 I was a little disco queen myself, 565 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160 and I had a little cadre of wonderful gay guys 566 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,400 that I ran around with. 567 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,200 For the gay community, the gay male community, 568 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,080 Diana Ross was an icon. 569 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,160 I mean, I was friends with a guy 570 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840 who did a Diana Ross impersonation act at night. 571 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,760 She accepts the fact that she's a gay icon, a gay male icon. 572 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,440 She accepts it, she loves it, she embraces it. 573 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960 Diana kept the mirror disco ball rolling 574 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,240 when she collaborated with Nile Rodgers 575 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,520 and Bernard Edwards of Chic. 576 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,120 She stepped away from her usual collaborators, 577 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,640 Brian and Eddie Holland, who defined her sound thus far 578 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280 with Motown and The Supremes. 579 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,480 The album simply called "Diana" further solidified her 580 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,720 as the ultimate disco diva and gay icon. 581 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,440 - For me, my favorite Diana Ross fashion look 582 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,400 is probably the "Diana· album cover." 583 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,360 The album she did with Chic, 584 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,640 where there was a deliberate attempt 585 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,880 to strip away and deconstruct the glamorous idea of Diana. 586 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,440 And she's presented in jeans 587 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,560 and a white T-shirt with her hair slicked back. 588 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,840 And she's looks very defile in the image. 589 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,280 She's staring down the camera. 590 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,400 That's kind of a look that's been emulated a lot 591 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,240 and copied over the years by different stars. 592 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,080 But Diana, you know, was the first. 593 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000 One of the biggest hits from the album 594 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,960 was "I'm Coming Out." 595 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,560 [upbeat music] 596 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880 The lyrics resonated with Diana's gay fans 597 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,960 taking on the meaning of coming out from the closet 598 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,600 - I'm coming out, you know, 599 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,800 gives you everything that you need to know 600 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,320 in terms of her understanding 601 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,520 who one of her core audiences were, the gay male community. 602 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,520 For Diana, it took on an additional meaning. 603 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,400 At this time, Diana was beginning to come out 604 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120 from Berry Gordy's control of her career. 605 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,400 - Diana's life had been very much controlled by Berry. 606 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,240 He was like her mentor, her husband Gordy, 607 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800 her father figure throughout her years at Motown. 608 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,880 But there comes a certain point where you wanna break free. 609 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,640 She was working hard album after album, 610 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,800 movie after movie in the 70s. 611 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,680 And by the end of it, she kind of had enough 612 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,640 of not really having a huge say 613 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,800 in where her career was going. 614 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,600 She started making records that were really reflective 615 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,920 of her independence, like "The Boss." 616 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000 But it was time really for her to leave Motown 617 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,080 Ross would soon begin negotiations 618 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,080 to leave Motown in 1980. 619 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,080 RCA Records offered Ross 620 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480 a $20 million seven-year recording contract 621 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,720 with full production control of her albums. 622 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,080 Gordy and Motown couldn't compete, 623 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,600 and so the next chapter of Diana's career began. 624 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,800 It was time for Diana to prove she could do it alone again. 625 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,640 - Partly, I would imagine she'd left 626 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,080 because Michael Jackson was leaving. 627 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760 Michael Jackson was coming out of that. 628 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,240 Marvin Gaye was coming out of that. 629 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,240 And so they were becoming solo acts in of themselves 630 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,560 because the music scene had changed. 631 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,560 "Why Do Fools Fall in Love" 632 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,040 was Diana's first album for RCA. 633 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680 The leading single of the same name was a cover 634 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,720 of the 1950s Frankie Lymon & The Teenager's classic. 635 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,600 [upbeat music] 636 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,920 With her new independence, Diana became a businesswoman 637 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,280 establishing her own production company 638 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,120 and investing in real estate. 639 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,240 Throughout her career, 640 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,360 Diana Ross has also gained a reputation for being a diva. 641 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,760 From her conflicts in The Supremes to silicious rumors 642 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,400 of backstage tantrums. 643 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,400 - When I hear the word diva outside of the opera, you know, 644 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160 you think of a man or a woman 645 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,360 who has to have the space around them 646 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,240 totally under their control, 647 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,080 even beyond if they can help it, 648 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,360 and them being the center of the control. 649 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,160 But it had to be like they wanted to be. 650 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,240 And the rumor was that Diana Ross was like that. 651 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,560 - There were a series of things, 652 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,360 particularly in the 80s, I think, 653 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,920 that in the public's mind solidified the idea 654 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,840 of "Diana the Diva," which were the musical "Dreamgirls," 655 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,200 which is a sort of thinly veiled telling 656 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,240 of the The Supreme story 657 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,080 and about how one girl gets kicked out, 658 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,000 and another girl who's in love with the boss 659 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,960 gets pushed to the front. 660 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,640 It's like, "I wonder who that could be about." 661 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,400 You know, who Diana wasn't that impressed about at the time. 662 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,000 - I saw the opening night of "Dreamgirls," 663 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,560 the original on Broadway in the early 80s. 664 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040 And of course, it took that story. 665 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,320 "Dreamgirls" takes a story of the breakout of Diana Ross 666 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,480 from The Supremes. 667 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,600 But I wonder what she must have thought when she saw that 668 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,960 because it was, you know. 669 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,520 I mean, the ruthlessness must've been amazing. 670 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,360 You could tell she was ambitious, that's for sure. 671 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,760 The musical "Dreamgirls" 672 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,800 was later made into a film starring Beyonce. 673 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,760 - It's a musical, it's loosely based off of The Supremes. 674 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,240 It's kind of, it's about the upsides and the downsides, 675 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,400 all the negative things that come along with fame. 676 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,560 And it's just an incredible energy 677 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,560 and it makes you leave the theater feeling 678 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080 like anything's possible. 679 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,600 It's a family movie, but it's so entertaining, 680 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,680 and the way the director cut the music with the scenes, 681 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,000 it's just brilliant, and I'm so happy to be a part of it. 682 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,240 - Couple years after that, 683 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,920 Mary Wilson wrote a tell-all book called "Dreamgirl," 684 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,360 where she bitched 685 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960 and complained about how Diana Ross had been, 686 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,080 treated better than the rest of the girls 687 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,280 during The Supremes. 688 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,040 Which is unfair. I don't think she deserves that at all. 689 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,160 She was ambitious and she was talented, 690 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:54,240 and she was the best singer in the group, really. 691 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,280 And so, of course she's gonna get the spotlight. 692 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440 [camera clicking] [piano music] 693 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,280 In 1985, Barry Gibb produced her album, 694 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,360 "Eaten Alive," which got a UK number one 695 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,080 with "Chain Reaction." 696 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,920 [upbeat music] 697 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,520 - But as the decade went on, 698 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640 the records weren't as big hits. 699 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,520 There was a decline really in her commercial fortunes. 700 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,520 She would continue 701 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,240 to release albums in the realm of pop music 702 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,200 with reduced commercial success. 703 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,760 - She was making really interesting pop records, 704 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,720 but they weren't necessarily connecting. 705 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,160 But of course, she was getting older as well. 706 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,200 There were so many contemporaries 707 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,320 that were coming out at that point. 708 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,080 You know, people like Whitney Houston were emerging. 709 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,080 And so Diana was kind of being 710 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,480 slightly pushed out the spotlight, particularly in America. 711 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,640 However, by now, Diana was seen as an icon 712 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:11,560 and would continue 713 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,760 to carry out hugely successful world tours. 714 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,000 - She's a great performer. 715 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,600 I mean, you can't take that from her at all. 716 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,560 She loves audiences, and you can feel that. 717 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,880 - Absolutely amazing. 718 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520 I can't put into words how I felt. It was so emotional. 719 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,760 And it's what I've grown up with. 720 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,160 You know, I'm a child born in the 60s, 721 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,720 growing up with Diana Ross and Motown, 722 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,440 and I honestly, I was so overwhelmed. 723 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,280 But it doesn't matter what age you are 724 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,440 'cause everyone around me was enjoying it as well. 725 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,360 And she's multi-generational. 726 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,640 She's just, my God, such an icon. I loved it. 727 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:56,840 Age is no barrier. 728 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,040 So she's as good now as she was in the 70s. 729 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,560 And I love her, absolute icon. 730 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,520 I'm actually crying, sorry. She's brilliant. 731 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,560 - She really connects with her audience. 732 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,000 There's a kind of always a point in the show 733 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,880 where she encourages the audience to hold hands 734 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,720 and sing together. 735 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,760 She'll do "Reach Out and Touch," 736 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880 and she'll guide the audience with a microphone, 737 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,360 encourage everyone to kind of join hands. 738 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,120 And she kind of is this goddess of love. 739 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:26,960 - What I would like to do 740 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,720 is hear all the voices in the house sing with me 741 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,800 on "Reach Out and Touch." 742 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,920 Let's see if we can get every voice in the house. 743 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,720 Okay? Everybody. 744 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,800 [calm music] 745 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,680 Sing it now. 746 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,680 Through her illustrious career, 747 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,920 Diana Ross has emerged as a true icon. 748 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,040 - One way you could describe Diana Ross 749 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,280 is "Queen of Motown," 750 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,560 'cause she was the biggest star of the Motown era. 751 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,240 Without a doubt, I mean, The Supremes were huge. 752 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,000 They were the biggest recording group 753 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,800 in America in the 60s. 754 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:15,240 [upbeat music] 755 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,960 One of the most important things about Diana's legacy 756 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,240 is that she was the first Black female 757 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,440 crossover artist, really. 758 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,120 There've been artists, 759 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,400 there've been people before like Lena Horne 760 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,720 and Anna Fitzgerald and Dorothy Dandridge, 761 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,040 other women that were stars and people knew them, 762 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,240 but they hadn't really conquered 763 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,320 as many fields as Diana did. 764 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,200 You know, she was a recording star, a TV star, a movie star. 765 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,400 And in that way, she really paved the way 766 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840 for a load of women that followed, 767 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,720 you know, from Janet Jackson through to Beyonce. 768 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,680 - Well, Diana Ross experienced the challenges 769 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,000 of being a Black woman. 770 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,920 Music career was not built for Black women, 771 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,440 for sure, Black people, period. 772 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,240 So she faced that challenge. 773 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,600 Her music has transcended both genre and generation. 774 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,000 - Diana Ross was pop, so she could go from Berry Gordy 775 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,880 and that whole production number of Motown 776 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920 to Nile Rogers. 777 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,000 She could sing Broadway, which she did, Broadway ballads. 778 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,840 She could do all of those things. 779 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,800 What others would see as boundaries, 780 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,000 Diana saw as a green light. 781 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,120 Her life has been a high speed ride 782 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,120 from the Detroit projects to global stardom. 783 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,680 - That's her key legacy, I think. She's a living legend. 784 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,760 She deserves to have that role, the living legend. 785 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,040 You know, I don't think she's necessarily 786 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,880 has fairly given the props she deserves. 787 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,880 [upbeat disco music] 788 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,320 [upbeat music] 789 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,480 [upbeat music continues] 61621

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