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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,801 --> 00:00:12,053 Oh my God. A man is dead on Aspen Hill Road. 2 00:00:12,137 --> 00:00:14,490 - What? Ma'am? - Oh my God. This is... 3 00:00:14,514 --> 00:00:18,059 Ma'am, listen to me! What is wrong? 4 00:00:18,143 --> 00:00:20,353 A man has been killed in front of me. 5 00:00:22,063 --> 00:00:25,191 We have one down. There's blood all over. I'm at the Mobil... 6 00:00:25,275 --> 00:00:30,113 This was not a static scene. It certainly wasn't secure. 7 00:00:32,323 --> 00:00:35,452 So I went to my trunk and put on a ballistic vest. 8 00:00:37,245 --> 00:00:41,708 If there's a shooter out here, you know, we can't do our job if we get shot. 9 00:00:46,379 --> 00:00:49,049 And then chaos erupted, literally. 10 00:00:49,883 --> 00:00:53,386 Montgomery County. 11 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:55,350 Somebody's been shot on our back lot. 12 00:00:55,388 --> 00:00:58,349 We need an ambulance at the corner of Mills and Connecticut. 13 00:00:58,433 --> 00:01:00,935 Got blood coming out of her nose and her mouth. 14 00:01:01,019 --> 00:01:02,812 There was that feeling. 15 00:01:02,896 --> 00:01:05,124 Not so much, "When's it gonna stop?" but, "Where's next?" 16 00:01:05,148 --> 00:01:06,191 911. 17 00:01:06,274 --> 00:01:08,068 We're not sure if he was shot. 18 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:10,071 We had a lady shot in our parking lot. 19 00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:11,529 Oh, I'm scared. 20 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:15,408 I thought, "Oh boy. This is just gonna be hell." 21 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,646 Good mornin'. 22 00:01:44,729 --> 00:01:50,485 I'm Terry Ryan, a retired police detective from Montgomery County, Maryland. 23 00:01:53,404 --> 00:01:55,240 My father was in television. 24 00:01:55,824 --> 00:02:00,620 He was in station management for one of the local broadcast facilities. 25 00:02:00,703 --> 00:02:04,457 And, um, he would go out to crime scenes. 26 00:02:08,169 --> 00:02:10,713 And he would often bring me along. 27 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:16,845 I have early memories, maybe ten years old, hoppin' in the car 28 00:02:17,428 --> 00:02:20,431 and drivin' to a... a nearby event. 29 00:02:21,432 --> 00:02:23,518 My buddies thought it was a little goofy. 30 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,399 That was kinda my introduction to homicide investigation. 31 00:02:31,901 --> 00:02:35,655 I was assigned to the department's major crimes division. 32 00:02:35,738 --> 00:02:40,827 I was in the homicides section there, um, when these events began to occur. 33 00:02:40,910 --> 00:02:44,205 And it was anything but a normal morning. 34 00:02:50,712 --> 00:02:52,422 At the corner of Aspen Hill Road, 35 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:56,134 which runs in and out of Washington, D.C., out to the suburbs. 36 00:02:57,302 --> 00:03:00,305 It was our rush hour, still, that morning. 37 00:03:05,935 --> 00:03:08,938 There were several patrol officers already present. 38 00:03:09,814 --> 00:03:13,151 They had established a perimeter with crime scene tape. 39 00:03:14,944 --> 00:03:18,156 And also were interviewing folks that were standin' by. 40 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:25,121 A bang was heard by a lady who was also getting gas at an adjacent gas pump. 41 00:03:26,497 --> 00:03:31,461 She heard the victim say, "I've been shot," as he dropped. 42 00:03:33,713 --> 00:03:39,344 No one sees anyone running. A person, a speeding vehicle. 43 00:03:39,427 --> 00:03:41,971 Nothing to suggest what might have occurred. 44 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:47,435 We had a general idea where the shot may have come from, directionally, 45 00:03:47,518 --> 00:03:49,278 but you don't know if it came, at that point, 46 00:03:49,312 --> 00:03:51,189 from a moving vehicle passing by 47 00:03:51,272 --> 00:03:54,108 or from the shopping center across the street. 48 00:03:58,071 --> 00:04:00,073 I was lookin' for the projectile. 49 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:02,659 Or a shell casing. 50 00:04:03,868 --> 00:04:06,621 And we didn't find anything. 51 00:04:09,082 --> 00:04:13,044 My supervisor at the time, uh, was Sergeant Roger Thomson. 52 00:04:13,127 --> 00:04:16,297 He ran the crew I was assigned to. Or squad. 53 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:24,889 Roger's the best supervisor you could imagine having. 54 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:27,016 You need to... 55 00:04:28,726 --> 00:04:31,020 - We did that already. - You did that already? 56 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:36,693 Basically, I grew up in Montgomery County, Maryland. 57 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:39,237 I went to school there, went to high school there. 58 00:04:39,904 --> 00:04:42,907 And then I worked there, uh, for the rest of my career. 59 00:04:44,033 --> 00:04:46,786 I was a police officer for 30 years. 60 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:51,207 I was a detective for 20 years. 61 00:04:52,208 --> 00:04:55,545 And I really enjoyed being able to put the pieces together 62 00:04:55,628 --> 00:04:57,547 to try to figure out the puzzle. 63 00:05:04,929 --> 00:05:09,934 When I got to the Mobil station, and Terry Ryan is tellin' me 64 00:05:10,018 --> 00:05:12,020 what has happened at the scene. 65 00:05:16,274 --> 00:05:18,651 And then I received a phone call... 66 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,407 ...to tell me that we had another shooting. 67 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:32,832 This woman was shot while she was sitting on a bench in front of a fast food store. 68 00:05:32,915 --> 00:05:35,084 Just a mile or so away. 69 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:40,256 So I have two different crime scenes within a matter of minutes. 70 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:42,133 Highly unusual. 71 00:05:43,092 --> 00:05:46,471 We don't have that many homicides in Montgomery County. 72 00:05:49,182 --> 00:05:51,726 I'm thinkin' about, who else can I send? 73 00:05:51,809 --> 00:05:55,813 Because I've run out of people to send to the, uh... to the crime scene. 74 00:05:57,982 --> 00:06:00,818 I was on a cell phone, talking with the commanders, 75 00:06:00,902 --> 00:06:03,237 talking with the... the people at both scenes. 76 00:06:04,405 --> 00:06:06,574 And then I receive a phone call 77 00:06:06,657 --> 00:06:09,327 from an investigator who's down at the hospital 78 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:15,541 to update me that a possible accident that he's on is actually a shooting. 79 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:24,926 The victim was mowin' a lawn, and he was shot in broad daylight. 80 00:06:25,009 --> 00:06:26,552 Just like the other people. 81 00:06:28,971 --> 00:06:32,100 So, now we have three murder victims. 82 00:06:32,183 --> 00:06:36,604 And we had no eyewitnesses as to where this, uh, shooter was. 83 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:41,526 We got a problem. What the hell's really goin' on? 84 00:06:42,652 --> 00:06:44,972 We're all faced with somethin' we hadn't dealt with before. 85 00:06:45,613 --> 00:06:49,700 I was somewhat fearful of, uh, maybe getting shot while I was there. 86 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:52,078 I didn't know where the shooting was coming from. 87 00:06:52,161 --> 00:06:53,913 Roger had kinda seen it all. 88 00:06:54,747 --> 00:07:00,753 But I could sense just from his eyes... he had a different vibe goin' on. 89 00:07:01,337 --> 00:07:02,213 Intense. 90 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:07,176 Each supervisor up the chain of command, 91 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:08,803 they're all comin' at Roger. 92 00:07:09,846 --> 00:07:10,888 "What do you know?" 93 00:07:10,972 --> 00:07:15,435 And he's kinda in a situation he hasn't been in too often. 94 00:07:15,518 --> 00:07:16,853 There's very little to tell. 95 00:07:20,857 --> 00:07:22,191 We have no witnesses. 96 00:07:23,234 --> 00:07:27,071 Everybody heard the gun going off, but nobody saw it. 97 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:30,158 Your adrenaline's goin' all the time. 98 00:07:30,241 --> 00:07:33,286 And tryin' to keep your adrenaline from... from taking over. 99 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:38,791 You're trying to keep from losing your mind, basically. 100 00:07:48,468 --> 00:07:50,219 He's got it. Go handheld, Doug. 101 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:56,476 Now we have a steady stream of reporters, cameramen coming down. 102 00:07:56,559 --> 00:07:57,477 Take a look behind me. 103 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,937 This is the gas station, the Mobil gas station. 104 00:08:00,021 --> 00:08:01,230 Where the shooting happened... 105 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:04,984 We're trying to keep them away from these crime scenes, but it's difficult 106 00:08:05,067 --> 00:08:07,069 because you don't have enough personnel to do that. 107 00:08:08,404 --> 00:08:11,115 Breaking news right now. Investigators continue to... 108 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,618 ...to link three shootings in Montgomery County. 109 00:08:13,701 --> 00:08:16,162 A man pumping gas, a woman sitting at a bench... 110 00:08:16,245 --> 00:08:18,365 There were more news reporters and cameramen 111 00:08:18,414 --> 00:08:20,583 than there were police officers. 112 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:26,255 And honestly, it made it a little more difficult 113 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:27,340 for us to do our job. 114 00:08:29,717 --> 00:08:31,010 In Montgomery County, 115 00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:33,221 the shooter remains out there on the loose. 116 00:08:33,930 --> 00:08:39,560 It was tough to talk to your colleagues because the media, law enforcement 117 00:08:39,644 --> 00:08:43,523 all used the same wireless carrier at the time. 118 00:08:43,606 --> 00:08:47,527 And there was just so much radio traffic. 119 00:08:55,409 --> 00:08:56,929 911, what's your emergency? 120 00:08:56,994 --> 00:09:00,456 Yeah. We need an ambulance at the corner of Mills and Connecticut. 121 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:02,207 Here we go again. 122 00:09:03,251 --> 00:09:07,922 There's been another shooting at a gas station a few miles away. 123 00:09:10,591 --> 00:09:13,719 I called my mother because she frequented that gas station. 124 00:09:15,263 --> 00:09:19,267 And I told her not to go outside and not to go to any stores in the area. 125 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:20,851 "Just don't leave the house." 126 00:09:23,271 --> 00:09:26,732 Roger approached me and... and said, 127 00:09:26,816 --> 00:09:31,279 "I hate to do this to you, but, um... there's another event." 128 00:09:32,154 --> 00:09:34,156 "We gotta get somebody down there. Will you go?" 129 00:09:40,997 --> 00:09:44,917 It was an incident involvin' a young woman in her 20s. A mother. 130 00:09:47,503 --> 00:09:50,548 Ms. Rivera was vacuuming her van, 131 00:09:50,631 --> 00:09:55,261 which was parked just beyond here at a coin vacuum that's still here. 132 00:09:58,472 --> 00:10:05,062 Mr. Rivera, uh, Lori Ann's husband, was contacted. 133 00:10:07,231 --> 00:10:09,066 Uh, he came to the scene. 134 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:12,820 I had to notify him of his wife's death. 135 00:10:15,698 --> 00:10:18,993 I could just see the emotion. I mean, he was grieving, himself. 136 00:10:24,165 --> 00:10:25,958 He said, "What do I tell my kid?" 137 00:10:36,719 --> 00:10:38,596 I'm sorry. It's just, you know. It's... 138 00:10:42,433 --> 00:10:43,893 Just take your time. 139 00:10:43,976 --> 00:10:45,895 I'm good. I'm good. 140 00:10:57,198 --> 00:11:00,284 I was glad I got to the office because I could sit down 141 00:11:00,368 --> 00:11:02,828 and try to get things pieced together. 142 00:11:04,205 --> 00:11:06,707 I'd be able to take all the information I had 143 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:08,834 and try to make some kind of sense out of it. 144 00:11:10,878 --> 00:11:14,340 We get information from the night shift 145 00:11:14,423 --> 00:11:17,677 about another shooting that happened the night before. 146 00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:26,560 Right around 6:00 p.m., um, Mr. Martin was shot at a shopping center. 147 00:11:27,478 --> 00:11:32,692 And of course, once again, there were no eyewitnesses to the shooting. None. 148 00:11:37,154 --> 00:11:39,281 I know that I have five shootings. 149 00:11:43,077 --> 00:11:45,955 The night before, Mr. Martin was shot. 150 00:11:47,456 --> 00:11:52,253 The following morning, the very first shooting was Mr. Buchanan. 151 00:11:53,671 --> 00:11:55,840 Witnesses heard a loud bang. 152 00:11:56,507 --> 00:12:00,177 They thought his lawnmower had exploded and hit him. 153 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:04,140 I've got Walekar shot at the Mobil station. 154 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:10,813 Sarah Ramos is shot at the shopping center 155 00:12:10,896 --> 00:12:14,108 just north of where Mr. Walekar was shot. 156 00:12:15,443 --> 00:12:20,406 Then poor Rivera was shot at the Shell station. 157 00:12:24,452 --> 00:12:28,330 Generally, there's some kind of connection between a victim 158 00:12:28,914 --> 00:12:30,374 and the suspect. 159 00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:36,297 Do they all work at the same place? Do they all live in the same place? 160 00:12:37,173 --> 00:12:38,674 Did they all have a confrontation 161 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:41,552 with just the one person who's the shooter? 162 00:12:43,387 --> 00:12:46,140 So you have to go and talk to the victim's family 163 00:12:46,223 --> 00:12:49,018 to see whether or not there is some kind of connection. 164 00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:53,189 'Cause that's what your main goal is as a detective. 165 00:12:53,272 --> 00:12:56,150 You're trying to get those pieces together like a puzzle. 166 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,324 We're tryin' to gather a lot of information, 167 00:13:03,407 --> 00:13:06,076 and my commander told me 168 00:13:06,827 --> 00:13:09,455 that he was gonna be in charge of the investigation. 169 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:13,793 The FBI was involved. 170 00:13:14,835 --> 00:13:16,295 ATF was involved. 171 00:13:16,921 --> 00:13:22,760 And so it was somewhat of a relief that all this pressure 172 00:13:22,843 --> 00:13:25,095 was reduced and was going to somebody else. 173 00:13:30,935 --> 00:13:31,935 Hi. 174 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:34,605 Let's start on October 3rd, 175 00:13:34,688 --> 00:13:37,566 and we can pick some of the earlier stuff up later. 176 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:40,027 My brain doesn't go backwards. 177 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:42,988 It's just forward. It's all compartmentalized. 178 00:13:45,866 --> 00:13:47,117 My name is Michael Bouchard. 179 00:13:47,201 --> 00:13:50,871 I was the special agent in charge of the Baltimore Field Division. 180 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:54,500 Um, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. 181 00:13:54,583 --> 00:13:57,586 One of my duties as the agent in charge of the field division 182 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,213 was to deal with the media. 183 00:14:03,467 --> 00:14:04,927 When I first arrived, 184 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:09,765 I'd say there were probably 50 to 60 media people, 185 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:11,892 all stationed outside police headquarters. 186 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:15,396 I certainly didn't look forward to doing it, 187 00:14:16,272 --> 00:14:18,649 particularly under these type of circumstances. 188 00:14:18,732 --> 00:14:21,777 But you're in the D.C. area. It's the fishbowl. 189 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:24,947 Whatever you do here, people are always looking in. 190 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:28,701 Agent, which agency has operational command of this investigation? 191 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:30,786 So, they were askin' a lot of questions. 192 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:31,996 None of this... 193 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:33,199 ...not dealt... 194 00:14:33,247 --> 00:14:36,166 We didn't have many witness statements, and we didn't really know 195 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:38,210 exactly what we were looking for. 196 00:14:38,294 --> 00:14:40,713 So there was not much to release to the press. 197 00:14:40,796 --> 00:14:42,923 I can't respond to that question. I'm sorry. 198 00:14:43,007 --> 00:14:44,425 Agent Bouchard... 199 00:14:44,508 --> 00:14:45,342 Thank you. 200 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:54,602 The most significant evidence that we had were the ballistics. 201 00:14:56,312 --> 00:14:59,231 The bullet that was taken from each of the victims. 202 00:15:01,817 --> 00:15:04,820 These projectiles were taken to the ATF Laboratory. 203 00:15:06,113 --> 00:15:08,198 A mile or two from police headquarters. 204 00:15:11,368 --> 00:15:15,873 And I was confident with Walter Dandridge, who worked, uh, in our laboratory. 205 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,960 He was a top-notch forensics examiner. 206 00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:22,171 Probably one of the best in the country. 207 00:15:23,005 --> 00:15:25,299 I do remember Mike Bouchard. 208 00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:27,009 He's one of those bigwigs 209 00:15:27,092 --> 00:15:30,971 that we low-level government workers don't come in contact with so often. 210 00:15:34,099 --> 00:15:38,312 He's just a humble guy. Just does his job, grinds away. 211 00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:40,105 Solves a lot of good cases. 212 00:15:44,109 --> 00:15:46,487 This was an ongoing situation. 213 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:52,201 The pressure was building, and they wanted answers immediately. 214 00:15:54,536 --> 00:15:58,165 The first projectile and fragments that I received, 215 00:15:58,248 --> 00:16:02,836 I determined that it was fired from a rifle. 216 00:16:04,505 --> 00:16:10,636 It was a caliber .223, Remington projectile. 217 00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:16,100 Each projectile fired from a single firearm 218 00:16:16,183 --> 00:16:18,769 will leave the same individual marks. 219 00:16:21,021 --> 00:16:26,235 I was able to determine that each one of the shootings the first day... 220 00:16:27,736 --> 00:16:30,280 were fired by the same firearm. 221 00:16:37,454 --> 00:16:39,373 This was a big break for us. 222 00:16:40,958 --> 00:16:43,293 Because once we knew a rifle was being used 223 00:16:43,377 --> 00:16:45,462 in those Montgomery County shootings, 224 00:16:45,546 --> 00:16:47,798 we felt we were dealing with a sniper. 225 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:53,554 Meaning someone shooting from a long distance, 226 00:16:54,221 --> 00:16:56,432 and you can't see where they're shooting from. 227 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:02,187 That meant that the shots were being taken from a good distance away. 228 00:17:02,271 --> 00:17:06,066 You know, probably more than 50 to 100 feet, if not more. 229 00:17:08,277 --> 00:17:11,363 And so, the detectives expanded the search area. 230 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:14,199 We're looking for, uh, witnesses. 231 00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:20,080 At the Mobil station, uh, there was, uh... a witness 232 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:24,376 that had seen a white box truck across the street. 233 00:17:25,753 --> 00:17:28,839 The witnesses at the Sarah Ramos shooting, 234 00:17:29,423 --> 00:17:33,093 they saw a white box truck leave the area rapidly. 235 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:38,098 Maybe the reason why this gunshot is so loud 236 00:17:38,182 --> 00:17:43,520 is because it's reverberating from the back of the white box truck. 237 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:50,402 Maybe the person is lifting the gate, takin' a shot, and then closing the gate. 238 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:55,908 So that's why we don't have any, uh, eyewitnesses who actually saw the suspect. 239 00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:10,506 By the end of that first day, we were all pretty much worn out. 240 00:18:11,882 --> 00:18:15,052 I know I personally thought, "I just hope this is over." 241 00:18:15,552 --> 00:18:18,305 You know, "We can solve what already occurred." 242 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:23,435 It was in the evening. We get a phone call. 243 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:27,523 Another shooting took place in Washington, D.C. 244 00:18:28,273 --> 00:18:31,276 Just over the Washington, D.C., line with Montgomery County. 245 00:18:34,071 --> 00:18:36,824 He wasn't robbed. Nobody saw anybody. 246 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,619 It was surreal. 247 00:18:40,702 --> 00:18:45,374 Uh, how could this still be happening, um, and what is the connection? 248 00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:50,045 In little more than a day, six bullets, six murders. 249 00:19:00,013 --> 00:19:05,686 The next day, the media had begun to, uh, almost camp out. 250 00:19:07,604 --> 00:19:10,732 Not just out on the street, in front of police headquarters. 251 00:19:10,816 --> 00:19:12,651 They were in our parking lot. 252 00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:17,489 They're approaching us as we walk out our door. 253 00:19:20,576 --> 00:19:23,453 He will hold another press briefing here at six o'clock tonight. 254 00:19:23,537 --> 00:19:25,038 Perhaps he'll have more information. 255 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:29,918 You can't explain what happened. We couldn't explain it. 256 00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:31,753 Not at that point. 257 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:38,969 The media had this all over television, radio, uh, the print media. 258 00:19:41,763 --> 00:19:46,101 And a decision is made with the police chief 259 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:50,814 to put out to the public that we were seeking somebody in a white box truck. 260 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:53,442 It's a Ford Econovan. 261 00:19:53,942 --> 00:19:56,778 We knew we couldn't solve this case without the media. 262 00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:59,990 The public, they were our eyes and ears. 263 00:20:00,782 --> 00:20:02,075 Please take a look at these. 264 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:04,519 And if you know anybody that drives one of these vehicles... 265 00:20:04,578 --> 00:20:06,378 Keep this in the back of your mind. 266 00:20:06,413 --> 00:20:08,790 If you saw something like this, call us. 267 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:11,668 If you should see something in the future, call us. 268 00:20:12,169 --> 00:20:15,839 White delivery trucks are being stopped and examined... 269 00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:19,676 We started to receive a lot of phone calls. 270 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,639 They saw a white box truck at this intersection. 271 00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:26,225 They saw a white box truck at that intersection. 272 00:20:26,308 --> 00:20:29,019 These are all in shopping centers and gas stations. 273 00:20:30,646 --> 00:20:35,859 But no information that connected any driver with any of our shootings. 274 00:20:41,114 --> 00:20:42,991 911. What's your emergency? 275 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:45,077 We've had a lady shot in our parking lot. 276 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,454 - Is she breathing? - I do not know. 277 00:20:52,709 --> 00:20:54,389 The shooting of Caroline Seawell 278 00:20:54,419 --> 00:20:56,171 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, 279 00:20:56,672 --> 00:20:59,383 changed the scope of this investigation significantly. 280 00:21:00,467 --> 00:21:03,220 Now we had different jurisdictions involved. 281 00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:11,770 The speculation is that the shooter, or shooters, are now going mobile. 282 00:21:12,854 --> 00:21:15,232 And are gonna target people in different areas. 283 00:21:18,318 --> 00:21:19,820 What's the motive here? 284 00:21:22,322 --> 00:21:24,491 Because they appeared to be random shootings, 285 00:21:24,574 --> 00:21:29,579 how do you stay one step ahead and try and figure out where they might go next? 286 00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:33,667 Till we find out what the motive is, um, 287 00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:35,752 we're gonna have a tough time solving this case. 288 00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:45,971 So, we decided to expand the task force. 289 00:21:54,688 --> 00:21:56,315 A little bit closer. 290 00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:57,691 Takin' my nose? 291 00:21:57,774 --> 00:22:00,110 April Carol interview. Take two. Mark. 292 00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,739 I was home and my phone rang, 293 00:22:03,822 --> 00:22:06,074 and my supervisor said, "Are you sitting down?" 294 00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:08,744 And I said, "Sure, what's up?" 295 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:14,124 And she said, "I have to assign you to the sniper case." 296 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:21,673 My family and I had just moved to Washington, D.C. 297 00:22:23,216 --> 00:22:26,094 This was the first and only time I'd had a woman as a supervisor, 298 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:29,765 who also was a mom, and she said to me, "Are you sure you can do this?" 299 00:22:30,557 --> 00:22:33,935 "I know you have your kids and you're just getting settled." 300 00:22:34,478 --> 00:22:38,482 And I said that I had just found a nanny and that we would make it work. 301 00:22:42,486 --> 00:22:44,571 "Put me in, coach. I'm... I'm ready." 302 00:22:48,575 --> 00:22:52,329 I'm home, having breakfast and coffee, getting ready to go to work. 303 00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:53,497 Breaking news. 304 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:56,500 A 13-year-old boy is in critical condition. Hundreds... 305 00:22:56,583 --> 00:23:00,587 It was just this overwhelming, sickening feeling like, "Oh my God." 306 00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:02,070 ...for a sharpshooter... 307 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:06,093 A kid was now shot, completely innocent, at school. 308 00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:09,471 It's stepping over the line, shooting a kid. 309 00:23:11,473 --> 00:23:14,267 I guess it's getting to be really, really personal now. 310 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,200 It just really hit home for me, 311 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,856 the fact that, being the mother of three boys, 312 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:22,359 and realizing schools really weren't safe. 313 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:25,487 Could this happen to my kid? 314 00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:34,413 It solidified in my mind that the shooter realized 315 00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:36,957 the type of fear that they were creating throughout the area. 316 00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:39,584 That people were scared to death 317 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:43,338 and that they wanted to take it to a new level by shooting a child. 318 00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:47,175 And see what the reaction of the public would be. 319 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:51,847 After the Iran Brown shooting, 320 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:56,935 the level of emotional commitment and intensity was at an all-time high. 321 00:23:58,311 --> 00:24:01,022 You don't want to go off shift. You don't want to take a break. 322 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:04,484 This case is full-time, 24/7, until they're caught. 323 00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:07,979 If you have any information about this case, 324 00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:10,824 you are urged to call the tip line. The number is 240... 325 00:24:10,907 --> 00:24:17,330 So as soon as we put the number out there, it just lit off a firestorm of calls. 326 00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:24,754 We had 100 phones with 100 employees, 327 00:24:25,255 --> 00:24:26,756 from all the agencies, 328 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,177 taking those tips and putting them into the system for processing. 329 00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:33,805 My job was to go through the tips 330 00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:37,225 and decide, based on things we've learned to date, 331 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:39,644 which were priority leads. 332 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:42,856 And that was a lot of pressure because you didn't wanna miss anything. 333 00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:50,489 I didn't know what I was looking for. And quite frankly, it's a lot of instinct. 334 00:25:01,416 --> 00:25:03,502 In a serial case, it had been my experience 335 00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:07,130 that the subjects attend the press conferences. 336 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,271 They come back to the scene of the crime. 337 00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:11,551 They watch law enforcement doing what they're doing. 338 00:25:13,637 --> 00:25:17,557 And so, we would play back the video of that press conference, 339 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:21,144 looking for anyone acting suspiciously. 340 00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:28,944 We were all very aware that the killer could be among us. 341 00:25:37,118 --> 00:25:40,455 A person was seen in the video after the press conference, 342 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:41,915 walking up to the podium 343 00:25:41,998 --> 00:25:46,419 and just rifling through the papers Chief Moose had left behind. 344 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,172 And we thought that was super odd. 345 00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:54,469 He was the number one suspect at that time. 346 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,846 And so we needed to look for this man. 347 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:08,233 I was driving to work the next day, and I am at a light. 348 00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:17,951 And I look over now, and I see a person that I feel like I know. 349 00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:24,082 And then the brain was quickly processing that, 350 00:26:24,165 --> 00:26:25,709 and I remembered the photo. 351 00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:34,676 I'm looking at the photo, and I'm looking at the car, and... 352 00:26:36,094 --> 00:26:37,304 It was definitely him. 353 00:26:38,847 --> 00:26:40,849 This could be the sniper, right here next to me. 354 00:26:43,893 --> 00:26:45,061 I have to do something. 355 00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:48,273 Okay, what do I do now? 356 00:26:48,773 --> 00:26:50,333 I can't make a vehicle stop right here. 357 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,652 There's way too many cars and way too many people. 358 00:26:58,825 --> 00:27:02,287 And I followed him into a business complex, and he parked. 359 00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:08,543 If I went in by myself, 360 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,212 I could miss him and then potentially lose the car as well. 361 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:13,214 So I made a phone call 362 00:27:13,298 --> 00:27:16,760 and got my supervisor from the task force, uh, rolling, 363 00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:17,969 along with some backup, 364 00:27:18,053 --> 00:27:21,181 and we were able to take this man into custody. 365 00:27:23,058 --> 00:27:25,435 We could have him now. This could be it. 366 00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:28,938 We could actually have caught the killer. 367 00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:43,036 One thing I remember during the questioning 368 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,704 was the look on his face 369 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:49,292 when it became apparent to him that he was a suspect in the shootings. 370 00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:53,755 "Wait, what? You think that was me? You think this is me? No." 371 00:27:55,298 --> 00:27:58,885 What he said to us was he was just infatuated with the case. 372 00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:03,431 I have seen genuine innocent people's reaction 373 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,266 versus guilty people's reactions, 374 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:07,977 and, you know, I kinda threw my hands up like, 375 00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:10,980 "Yeah, this... this knucklehead's wrong place, wrong time." 376 00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:13,608 We did check alibis. 377 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:15,068 We talked to his wife. 378 00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:17,028 There were a number of things that just, 379 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:20,198 within minutes, came together to rule him out. 380 00:28:21,658 --> 00:28:24,202 Damn, you know, if it just was him, 381 00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:27,872 we'd caught him and we can move forward and people are safe again. 382 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:33,461 The shooter whom police call an elusive serial sniper 383 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,797 is terrorizing this Washington region. 384 00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:38,466 Any time there was another shooting... 385 00:28:39,884 --> 00:28:43,680 our heart sunk that, you know, a sense of failure 386 00:28:43,763 --> 00:28:45,974 that we haven't stopped these killers. 387 00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:49,144 We would have liked to have solved this by now, but it's... 388 00:28:49,227 --> 00:28:51,354 People were just terrified. 389 00:28:51,438 --> 00:28:53,273 ...that we're trying our best. 390 00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:56,609 School sports stopped. 391 00:28:58,278 --> 00:28:59,904 School recesses stopped. 392 00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:03,658 Ten people have been shot, eight are dead, 393 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,244 as a sniper terrorizes the Washington area. 394 00:29:06,327 --> 00:29:09,122 The latest victim, 53-year-old Kenneth Bridges. 395 00:29:10,665 --> 00:29:14,169 We had no idea, uh, where they were gonna be next. 396 00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:17,881 Like tryin' to hold a pile of sand in your hand. 397 00:29:17,964 --> 00:29:19,632 It just keeps goin' out because you... 398 00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:22,469 you can't grasp it and... and do something with it. 399 00:29:31,936 --> 00:29:34,898 I'm sitting at the investigative table, looking at leads, 400 00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:39,611 and the agent that's sitting next to me gets a call on his cell phone 401 00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:43,823 from another agent who's at a Home Depot in Falls Church, 402 00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:46,284 in the store, and heard gunshots. 403 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:51,748 My husband was off, and with my three boys, 404 00:29:51,831 --> 00:29:54,459 and were gonna be going to a Home Depot that day. 405 00:29:56,503 --> 00:30:00,799 The panic, personally, when I heard "Home Depot in Virginia," 406 00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:06,888 and I didn't know where they were was swirling as I was driving there. 407 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:12,519 Fortunately, they called and said, "We're home, we're good." 408 00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:15,313 And I said, "That's all I needed to know. I'll call you later." 409 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,025 I'm arriving at the scene, 410 00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:22,487 and I'm walking through, now, this massive parking lot 411 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:24,823 towards our command site. 412 00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:28,618 And my personal phone rings. 413 00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:31,913 I saw that it was my dad in Los Angeles, 414 00:30:31,996 --> 00:30:35,750 and I said, you know, "Hey, Dad. I'm fine. Everything's good." 415 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:37,274 "But I can't really talk right now." 416 00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,815 And he goes, "I know you can't talk." 417 00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:41,631 "I'm watching you walk across a parking lot at a crime scene." 418 00:30:41,714 --> 00:30:43,466 Another woman was dead. 419 00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:45,635 Almost certainly, police said, at the hands... 420 00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:49,138 He was panicked that if he could see me on the news, 421 00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:52,767 that the suspects could see me too and that I could be shot. 422 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,520 And it sent my head spinning. 423 00:30:56,980 --> 00:31:00,859 I remember putting the phone back in my pocket, thinking he was right, 424 00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:03,945 and we were just out in the open for a shot. 425 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:10,451 I could never shut it off, try as I might. 426 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:18,751 I had no idea, when I was assigned to this case, 427 00:31:19,627 --> 00:31:26,467 the level of intensity, and anxiety and stress 428 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:27,802 that would accompany it. 429 00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:38,385 It's Saturday night. 430 00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:41,357 My wife and I had dinner for the first time together 431 00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:43,318 probably in about a week and a half. 432 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:48,698 We just caught up on things that were goin' on with our children. 433 00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:52,911 And I got interrupted with a phone call 434 00:31:53,536 --> 00:31:56,998 that another shooting had taken place in Ashland, Virginia. 435 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,419 And they had some forensic evidence that might help us solve the case. 436 00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:08,676 I told my wife, you know, I was gonna have to go to work. 437 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,428 She took it like a trooper. 438 00:32:10,511 --> 00:32:12,805 I won't say what she really said, but... 439 00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:18,436 Anyone who's married knows. 440 00:32:27,028 --> 00:32:30,990 Jeffrey Hopper. He had some significant injuries. 441 00:32:31,532 --> 00:32:32,909 But fortunately survived. 442 00:32:33,993 --> 00:32:38,164 He and his wife were traveling down I-95, stopped for dinner, 443 00:32:38,998 --> 00:32:41,542 when his wife heard a shot ring out. 444 00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:46,255 She thought it came from a wooded area. 445 00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:53,012 Crime scene technicians found a note tacked to a tree in a plastic Ziploc bag. 446 00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:02,563 Yeah, I can read it. 447 00:33:06,275 --> 00:33:11,906 "For you, Mr. Police. Call me God. Do not release to the press." 448 00:33:12,532 --> 00:33:16,828 "If stopping the killing is more important than catching us now, 449 00:33:16,911 --> 00:33:20,331 then you'll accept our demands, which are nonnegotiable." 450 00:33:21,124 --> 00:33:23,292 The demand was that we place ten million dollars 451 00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:24,919 in a Bank of America account 452 00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:27,338 with an ATM card. 453 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:31,843 "We have tried to contact you to start negotiations, 454 00:33:31,926 --> 00:33:33,678 without any response." 455 00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:37,098 This was a big break in the case. 456 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,101 Let's look back to when they might have called, 457 00:33:40,184 --> 00:33:42,645 see if we can find out anything additional. 458 00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,192 He had contacted Officer Derick... 459 00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:52,238 who worked in our media section, 460 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:54,240 and told Officer Derick 461 00:33:54,323 --> 00:34:00,371 they were involved in a shooting and robbery and murder 462 00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:03,082 that occurred in Alabama. 463 00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:11,382 Initially, the investigators thought it didn't seem like it was connected. 464 00:34:14,635 --> 00:34:16,596 The shooting happened many miles away, 465 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,892 about a month before, uh, everything started in Montgomery County. 466 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:28,941 But you could just take a lead like that and give it to an FBI agent in Alabama, 467 00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:31,069 and they could look up the information. 468 00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:37,909 So, two people were leaving a business, 469 00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:42,830 and a person went up to them and shot them, 470 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:47,877 stole the proceeds from that business, and took off running. 471 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:53,174 But the suspect was carrying a Shooters magazine. 472 00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:57,386 While he was running, he dropped that magazine. 473 00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:02,391 We talked to the detective about evidence obtained from that crime scene, 474 00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:05,812 and he said, "We received fingerprints from the catalog." 475 00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,108 They ran it through the Alabama state identification system 476 00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:11,359 and did not get a hit. 477 00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:19,909 And so, we reran that fingerprint through the national database, and it got a hit. 478 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:32,296 The fingerprints came back to a 17-year-old named Lee Boyd Malvo. 479 00:35:35,758 --> 00:35:40,012 This is an aha moment. This is an OMG. You know, "We've got something here." 480 00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:46,519 He appeared to be an immigrant from the West Indies, 481 00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:48,855 and he had been detained, 482 00:35:49,355 --> 00:35:52,567 coming across the border from Canada into the States, 483 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:54,819 and was fingerprinted at the time. 484 00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:02,243 They asked Malvo who he was with, and he said he was with an older man. 485 00:36:03,369 --> 00:36:10,042 That person had legitimate paperwork, and that his name was John Allen Muhammad. 486 00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:15,173 I was involved with running the files 487 00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:17,842 on everything that we could possibly know about Muhammad. 488 00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:25,975 He served in the army under the name John Allen Williams. 489 00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:32,815 He was under a restraining order that had been filed by his ex-wife 490 00:36:32,899 --> 00:36:35,359 to prevent him from seeing their children 491 00:36:35,443 --> 00:36:39,030 because he had kidnapped them for a significant period of time. 492 00:36:41,741 --> 00:36:45,203 I absolutely felt, from that moment, 493 00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:48,122 that we were onto the right guys and we were gonna get 'em. 494 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:59,050 That was one of the highest points that people had over those three weeks, 495 00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:02,511 that, you know, we think we're on to solvin' this thing. 496 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:09,060 We were running records in Virginia and D.C. 497 00:37:09,143 --> 00:37:12,855 Any national databases that we could about Muhammad. 498 00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:17,318 And the one we keyed on the most 499 00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:21,530 was a vehicle that was registered to John Allen Muhammad. 500 00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:27,328 It was a blue Chevy Caprice, purchased in New Jersey. 501 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:33,209 We had a license plate. We had a name. Two names. 502 00:37:33,292 --> 00:37:35,753 The biggest thing in all of our minds is, 503 00:37:35,836 --> 00:37:38,923 "What are we gonna do with all this when we don't know where they are yet?" 504 00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:41,968 And, "Please let us get them before the next killing." 505 00:37:46,472 --> 00:37:48,975 Some bus driver's been shot at Oxen Hill. 506 00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:53,104 Oh, I'm scared. Please send some help. Please. I'm on the bus. 507 00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:57,024 You're so close... but then you're not. 508 00:37:58,234 --> 00:37:59,652 We have another victim. 509 00:38:02,196 --> 00:38:06,033 I think we probably felt the most pressure after that shooting. 510 00:38:06,909 --> 00:38:09,537 You know, "Move fast. Move fast. Get through this." 511 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:12,832 "Let's take the pieces that are important and get 'em done so we can find 'em." 512 00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:20,089 A federal arrest warrant has been... 513 00:38:20,172 --> 00:38:22,383 I was working the night shift, 514 00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:26,762 and it was on the TV that was, uh, in our office. 515 00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:29,056 We've also learned the vehicle that they're looking for 516 00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:32,727 is a burgundy or blue Chevy sedan. 517 00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:38,566 I was surprised to hear that we were looking for a blue Caprice. 518 00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:41,819 'Cause we had so many leads about white box trucks. 519 00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:46,449 I'm getting ready to leave the task force office, 520 00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:50,870 and a supervisor from the tactical unit... 521 00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:55,333 he stops me and says, "Don't leave." 522 00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:58,044 "I think they found the car." 523 00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:02,840 He's communicating with state police. 524 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,885 The car that we're looking for 525 00:39:05,968 --> 00:39:09,221 has been spotted in Washington County at a rest stop. 526 00:39:11,807 --> 00:39:13,434 They believe it's occupied. 527 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,896 They can't tell it's occupied because it has dark windows. 528 00:39:18,814 --> 00:39:22,485 So I left the task force office. Quickly. 529 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:27,198 We don't want the media to follow us up there, 530 00:39:27,281 --> 00:39:29,533 so I don't have my red light siren on. 531 00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:36,499 We were all gonna meet the state police right near the rest stop. 532 00:39:38,501 --> 00:39:43,255 I was hopin' and prayin' that, uh, we had the right car and we had the right people. 533 00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:47,802 And we were gonna find evidence in the car 534 00:39:47,885 --> 00:39:50,763 that was gonna link them to the shootings that we had. 535 00:39:53,432 --> 00:39:56,477 We finally get to the, uh, staging area. 536 00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,482 I talk with the captain who's in charge of the state police there. 537 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:06,862 He tells us the SWAT team has already arrived. 538 00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:11,033 To go in the wooded area to approach the car, 539 00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:12,660 and we're just to... to wait. 540 00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:23,671 We're just anxiously awaiting confirmation that we had them. 541 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:28,426 And hopefully, nobody gets injured during the... the takedown. 542 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,264 Eighteen seconds. 543 00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:37,564 A lot of things go through your mind. 544 00:40:40,312 --> 00:40:43,149 You have a lot of adrenaline going. 545 00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:47,653 And then I get... a call. 546 00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:54,493 The tactical team busted out the two windows 547 00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,162 on either side of the car. 548 00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:59,290 Pulled both of them out. 549 00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:06,255 I see the two suspects, Muhammad and Malvo, 550 00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:10,551 and they purposefully put them in separate locations 551 00:41:10,634 --> 00:41:11,760 on both sides of the car. 552 00:41:11,844 --> 00:41:14,180 So they couldn't talk or communicate with each other. 553 00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:18,309 Broken glass everywhere. 554 00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:24,773 An initial search was made. 555 00:41:27,067 --> 00:41:29,403 And there was a hole in the trunk. 556 00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:34,742 And you could crawl into the back and take the shot. 557 00:41:37,703 --> 00:41:39,997 And as soon as the back seat is pulled up, 558 00:41:40,956 --> 00:41:42,583 you can see the rifle there. 559 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,379 It was like, "It's over." 560 00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:51,592 So... 561 00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:11,237 Tell us what you think of Chief Moose. 562 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,196 We love him! 563 00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:16,408 We walked out the door, and there's all, 564 00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:19,912 you know, people cheering, uh, kids with signs. 565 00:42:22,665 --> 00:42:25,209 You know, we're all, like, taken aback. 566 00:42:25,292 --> 00:42:27,545 Trying to be focused. "Here's what we're gonna say." 567 00:42:28,128 --> 00:42:30,422 Thank you, Chief. Sorry to keep everyone waiting tonight. 568 00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,634 That was the one day that the media didn't have a lot of questions. 569 00:42:33,717 --> 00:42:36,387 Um, they were just happy to hear what we had to say. 570 00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:41,141 October 3rd, Prem Kumar Walekar in Montgomery County. 571 00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:45,396 October 3rd, Sarah Ramos in Montgomery County. 572 00:42:45,479 --> 00:42:50,734 And he started naming all the victims, and I had tears flowing. 573 00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:55,197 And it was just that relief, um, the exhaustion finally coming through. 574 00:42:55,781 --> 00:43:00,077 And our thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims of these shootings. Thank you. 575 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,415 My kids were watching the press conference and looking from the TV to me, 576 00:43:04,915 --> 00:43:06,458 and looking to the TV, to me. 577 00:43:06,542 --> 00:43:09,461 And they're like, "Wait, Mom. They... you caught him." 578 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:11,004 "Why are you crying?" 579 00:43:11,046 --> 00:43:14,049 And they're like, "Wait. We can have recess now." 580 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,885 And they're jumpin' up and down, high-fivin' each other. 581 00:43:16,969 --> 00:43:19,305 And they stopped and looked at me and said, "Right, Mom?" 582 00:43:19,388 --> 00:43:22,016 And I said, "Yeah, you can have recess now." 583 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:25,102 It was the joy coupled with all of the emotion. 50580

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