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Previously on America Divided. They're
buying a $90 million apartment.
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They're looking at it as a safety
deposit box.
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900 to 2100 in one lead. He's at Palm
Heights in New Manhattan.
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There's dust, there's debris.
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Those are the tactics they use to
displace you. He is displacing those
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who happen to be black.
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And breaking the law so thoroughly.
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Residents started congregating in your
house.
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Rashes, hair falling out. We have
completely different kids.
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They went from straight -A students to
failing.
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Rusted, corroded pipes.
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Basically, this is crime scene evidence.
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Crime one, destruction of our
infrastructure.
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Crime two, poisoning people.
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What's that vocabulary word?
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Persistent. Let's clap it out. Ready?
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Persistent.
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Persistent. I still remember my own
second grade classroom.
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It's amazing how many of us do.
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School is where we learn how to read,
how to think, and how to argue.
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What do we need to know?
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It's the stage where the small dramas in
life come to define our lives.
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Our first friendships, first fights,
first crushes.
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It's where we learn how to learn.
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What is the purpose of underlining and
jotting notes?
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Why do we do those things?
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I shared my own second grade classroom
and my teacher with the third grade.
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Sixty students in total and two lesson
plans crammed into one tiny space.
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It wasn't until we moved that I realized
that this wasn't how it was supposed to
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be and that being born into the wrong
school district can change your life
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forever.
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And that's why I've come here, to St.
Petersburg, Pinellas County, Florida,
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where something has gone terribly wrong
with the education system.
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It's a system that effectively sweeps
millions of poor people into second
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status. Did we invest in those
communities?
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No, instead we declared war.
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What we have today is a wealth gap that
is huge.
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We are dying with money. We are dying
with money. The working class have been
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hammered. These are human beings. These
are people.
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What can we do to get that point across?
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The continent telling us that we're not
doing enough is causing us to lose.
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It is not a matter of opinion anymore.
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It is clearly exposed.
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What do we do? They can only win by
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dividing America.
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We know that the way things are working
are working at all. That's right.
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If you just keep pushing, if you just
keep trying.
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If you refuse to let the nightmares have
the last say, eventually the dawn will
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break, the sun will come out, and you
will be in a brand new day.
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If there's no struggle, there can be no
progress.
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So we just got another delivery today.
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Everybody's trying to come together.
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Millionaire Monopoly is devastating what
they're doing to our community because
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we all deserve to have access to safe
water.
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Period.
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As I dig back into the history of Flint,
I learn things that today are hard to
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believe. In the city of Flint, Michigan,
all is excitement.
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All this is a day. Back in the 1970s,
Flint had the highest per capita income
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in the United States.
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It was a General Motors company town
back when what was good for GM was good
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America.
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But GM apparently only cared about
saving money. They moved the jobs to
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countries where they could pay lower
wages and shut down their big factories.
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Flint collapsed.
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This place used to be Buick City, a
factory that employed 27 ,000
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people.
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Now there's nothing left.
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I find it almost incomprehensible that
the water crisis would be visited on a
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place that was already so devastated.
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I need someone who's not a Flint
resident, someone with some distance, to
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explain how this could happen.
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People are recommending I track down a
Michigan State professor named Josh
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Sapochny.
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His area of research is how states treat
cities like Flint when they run out of
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money.
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In Michigan, the state assigns emergency
managers.
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Hi. I'm Josh.
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Sorry. Nice to meet you.
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I have a lot of questions for you.
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Sounds good.
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I'm ready.
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So I've heard that the Flint water
crisis was made worse.
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by the fact that the city was governed
by emergency managers. Can you explain,
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does Flint have a water crisis because
of emergency managers?
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The failure of the state in the Flint
water crisis was that it designed an
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approach that empowers one individual
who effectively displaces the local
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elected officials, right? So in 30 days
following the switch, there were people
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in the streets with bottles of water
showing...
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The discoloration. The people in the
city of Flint are raising this issue.
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To their elected officials who don't
have power to do really anything about
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That's right.
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I'm just in shock at how democracy was
just completely thrown out the window.
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seems like the whole point of emergency
managers is to not just override elected
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officials, but basically that means to
override democracy.
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It's an accounting solution, right? It's
an accounting policy.
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When it was clear that there was a
problem with the drinking water in the
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of Flint, the emergency manager's job at
that moment was to turn a blind eye.
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The job of Flint's four successive
emergency managers, Dr. Sopoczny says,
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cut costs at all costs.
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They slashed funding to senior centers,
gutted the police and fire departments,
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and even auctioned off Santa.
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The starting bid was $5.
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That's, you know, this is sort of the
powers of the emergency manager. They're
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coming in and say, these things have to
be cut and go because my job is to
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reduce the deficit. Reduce the deficit,
yeah.
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Was the city being mismanaged? Was it
necessary to bring an emergency manager?
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I think it was necessary for the state
to get involved in some way.
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It was a one -industry town,
effectively, and that industry left.
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But Michigan's policy essentially
assumes that the revenue structure in
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is fine.
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We're going to come in and we're going
to make a bunch of major cuts. But
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there's no additional help on the
revenue side.
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They're strapped as it is. They're
having issues around revenue and needing
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money to do things.
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And then the answer is to cut even more
of their programs and give them even
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less money to work with. So there's a
death spiral.
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Dr. Sipoczny says that the debt spiral
is the product of the austerity programs
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of several Michigan governors, the most
drastic being that of the current
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governor, Rick Snyder.
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The relationship between the state
government in Michigan and its city
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government is not a very good
relationship. In fact, in certain issue
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it's a toxic relationship.
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I'm an accountant and your governor.
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I've found I can help more people when
the numbers add up. We didn't change
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the times, and we let politics get in
the way.
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Not anymore.
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We're on the road to recovery for every
Michigan.
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The credit never goes to the person who
built a strong foundation.
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But that's what you have to do first.
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And that's why we have accounts.
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So is Governor Rick Snyder ultimately
responsible for what happened?
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So, Mr. Jefferson, if you want the loan,
you'll just have to locate your store
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in a more respectable neighborhood.
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Oh, you mean like a white neighborhood?
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That's a thought.
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Back in the 70s, our shows reflected
what I felt was a national consensus
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race relations needed to be discussed.
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Boy is a white racist word.
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And solved.
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Whereas we got our fair share of colors
in this street.
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What? That's a petition.
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It ain't a petition.
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It's a letter for the people who live in
this street.
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To who?
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To some people that we don't want living
in this street. What do you want to
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start this thing up for again?
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Oh, Daddy, isn't it a little late? The
Jeffersons have been living here for
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two years. This letter ain't got nothing
to do with the Jeffersons. The
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Jeffersons are different. Why are the
Jeffersons different?
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Because one college family is a novelty
and two is a ghetto.
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These days, as I meet people living on
the edge, I can't help but notice
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that just about all of them are people
of color.
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Why is so little changed in America?
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Is skin color still destiny?
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I've come to see someone who spent years
studying this question.
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I really first got interested in
segregation as a young child when I
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getting bused from a black neighborhood
in Waterloo, Iowa, to go to white
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schools across the other side of town.
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It became very clear to me that people
were living in very different types of
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neighborhoods, and often that
corresponded with their race.
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But when people have the chance to live
in integrated neighborhoods, people do
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see that we're all pretty much the same
and we all pretty much want the same
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things. The problem is, in this country,
it's so rare that we get that
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opportunity, and especially in cities
like New York.
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When I think about segregation, it's in
the South.
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Believe it or not, when it comes to
housing segregation, the North is worse
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the South.
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New York City is actually the third most
segregated city in the country.
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All of the most segregated cities in the
country are in the north. New York City
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is the third most segregated city in the
country.
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In the 1930s, we had the Great
Depression, and the federal government
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that it's going to build the middle
class by insuring federal loans for
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It took a map of a city, and the
government decided that neighborhoods
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white... got the best ratings. And
neighborhoods that were integrated or
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got a lesser rating.
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Neighborhoods that were black got the
worst rating.
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And those neighborhoods were literally
outlined in red marker, redlining.
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For the first 30 years, black Americans
were almost entirely excluded.
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98 % of those loans went to white
Americans.
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But we saw the largest expansion of...
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the white middle class in the history of
our country. And all of that wealth
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mostly was coming from housing.
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And so what we have today is a wealth
gap that is huge.
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The average or median wealth of a white
family is $140 ,000, and the median
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wealth of a black family is $7 ,000.
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$140 ,000. To $7 ,000.
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If I'm a young white kid and I'm going
to college, I don't have to take out a
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student loan because my parents have
wealth in their house that they can take
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out to help me get through college.
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If I'm a young black kid, more likely
I'm going to have to take out a loan to
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to college. And in fact, we know black
Americans are the most likely to take
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loans and also take out the largest loan
amount, even though they have the least
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wealth to pay it back.
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Then I'm the white kid and I graduate
and I go into teaching and maybe I'm
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making $35 ,000 a year, but my parents
can give me a down payment to buy into a
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good neighborhood.
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The black kid's going to have to make it
on his own. Same income, but isn't
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going to be able to buy into that good
neighborhood.
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You just either pass on your privilege
or your disadvantage to the next
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generation.
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It must be so hard for Americans
listening to this to believe their
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could behave that way.
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I'd say it's hard for white Americans. I
think for black Americans, it's very
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easy to believe that our government
behaves this way.
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And then you have this myth that if a
lot of black people move into a
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neighborhood, the property values go
down.
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That's actually true.
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It's true, though, because of the way
the federal government rated integrated
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neighborhoods. But we've come to believe
it's true because black people just
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don't keep up their properties. So you
see the way that a reality can be fueled
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by a myth.
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Reality can be fueled by a myth.
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Yes, absolutely.
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And is our government doing anything
about that?
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Well.
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We have fair housing laws now. We don't
have fair housing yet.
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I don't think we realize how much effort
went into creating segregation.
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We had cooperation from individual
homeowners all the way up to the federal
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government to reorder our society in a
way that harmed black Americans and
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helped white Americans.
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So you have to break it up. You have to
do what you did to create it.
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To end segregation, you have to break it
up.
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I agree.
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But how can you fight something that's
so widespread and so subtle?
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St. Petersburg, Pinellas County,
Florida.
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It looks like a prosperous vacation
town, its harbors filled with yachts and
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backyards dotted with pools.
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But in a small cluster of five schools
on the poorer south side, Test scores
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have collapsed.
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Students can't read at grade level and
they're failing in math and English.
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I'm meeting civil rights attorney Amir
Whitaker. I'm hoping that Amir can help
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me find out exactly what is happening
here and why.
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What makes Pinellas so unique? We talk
about how it sits in the state
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nationally, but let's kind of...
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Break down a little bit of that. What
have you found that makes it so
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particularly egregious? The Florida
Department of Education looked at the
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achievement elementary schools, and they
found at the bottom of that list, or I
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guess the top, right?
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If you look at the 15.
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Pinellas has five in there, number one,
number two, and then a couple more.
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Five of the worst 15 performing schools.
In the state and probably in the
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country, right? And they're all
clustered into this area that was
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through housing discrimination and other
policies where most African Americans
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are in the county.
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Five out of the top 15, which is
incredible.
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Right. Side by side. There's a dual
education system here in Pinellas. If
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black, it looks a certain way. If you're
white, it looks a certain way.
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Amir tells me that the majority white
schools on the north side are
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outperforming the state averages.
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But here, on the south side, in the five
worst schools, 95 % of black students
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are failing reading or math.
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Amir has analyzed the data, but we're
canvassing the community to try to
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understand what's behind those
disturbing numbers.
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Most of the teachers, I don't know, they
try to teach the students, but some of
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them just fall back and let the kids go,
just passing it on.
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And nobody paying their attention, so I
think they need to work on paying the
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kids' attention.
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A pattern of stories quickly emerges.
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High teacher turnover, failing test
scores, school staff stretched too thin.
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Morning.
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Can we talk to you all for a second?
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My name is Amir. I'm a civil rights
lawyer looking into things happening in
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schools here.
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I'm Jesse Williams.
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How you doing? We're looking into the
school system here. We'd love to just
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some stories about what's going on and
talk to you all, too, and hear about how
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you like school and what's happening.
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I want them to change schools.
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I want them to go to Bay Point next
year. I do not want them going to
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That is one of the worst schools.
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They all went to school since they was
one years old. Every single one of them
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went to school. She was a straight -A
kid her whole life.
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Now all of a sudden she fell in math.
She was the smartest kid you ever seen.
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Now she having a problem with math. I
just don't understand it. I just think
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that school ain't teaching her. Well,
everybody struggles a little bit here
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there. I know, but giving her to her
full attention.
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Sunshine and Andre Walker's family just
moved near Lakewood Elementary, one of
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the five failing schools.
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They echo themes we've heard all along
the campus.
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Two of their children, who thrived at
their last school, were even held back a
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grade.
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Do you feel connected to your teachers?
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Sometimes.
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I don't have like five different
teachers this year.
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He just started like Tuesday, my new
one. Getting close to the end of the
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year and you're still getting new
teachers coming in.
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You too, huh?
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And he has bonding issues like a little
bit of anxiety when he first meets a new
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teacher.
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It hurts my heart to hear parents say
that. You know, we're talking about
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schools that are now F and failing
schools that were A schools, that were B
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schools. And now, if there's no school
you can just go to, that's not a D or an
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F school on the South Side.
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name and number along with a detailed
message and we will return your call as
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soon as possible. Thank you.
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Hi, my name is Rosario Dawson. I'm here
in Flint, Michigan conducting interviews
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about the water crisis here and I would
love to be able to speak to Governor
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Snyder the sooner you can get back to me
the sooner we can put this interview on
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the book.
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Thank you so much.
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No one in charge will agree to an
interview.
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Some people are being prosecuted, so
everybody's lawyered up.
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The closest I'm getting to speaking
truth to power is a phone call I've
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with a lawyer for former emergency
manager Darnell Early.
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In preparing for the call, I come across
something insane.
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By law, emergency managers enjoy
immunity from prosecution unless
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negligence can be established.
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When it was discovered that there was a
problem with the water and Detroit said
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that they would switch back at no
additional charge, why then did Darnell
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say no?
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Darnell Early, when he first got in
October of 2013 or thereabouts, the
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to terminate the contract with the
Detroit water system had been made
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And because of the money that had been
invested.
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He turned it down because they could not
afford a long -term deal, even if some
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of the costs were going to be absorbed
by Detroit.
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I'm just curious, at what point is an
emergency manager's actions going to
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to the level of prosecution?
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Like, what responsibility or
accountability can be expected?
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He has said that he is accountable based
on a leadership standpoint, and that he
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wished he had done more, could do more.
He's even apologized to the public in a
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very public way.
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But that's because he should be blamed
for what was a water treatment process
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failure by the experts who he relied on.
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So overseeing the poisoning of a city
isn't criminal negligence?
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I'm not crazy about the way you cast
that.
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Political appointees, emergency
managers.
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Public officials, they should not be
prosecuted for detrimental reliance on
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those who have greater expertise than
they do.
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Absolutely not.
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If you're an emergency manager, your
duties and responsibilities are to right
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the financial shift.
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When you ask about an apartment, you're
looking for a one -bedroom. So if he
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offers a studio, that's too small.
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If he offers a bigger size unit, it's
probably going to be too expensive. So
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you're sticking with a one bedroom.
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So when is an apartment available? Price
range?
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New apartment.
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Make $41 ,000 a year. My wife, Suzanne,
makes $29 ,000.
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I've been at my job for four years.
She's been at job for six.
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Remember my phone number?
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Yes, remember your phone number.
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It's not unlike many others who have not
in the past.
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My name is Roger White.
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Roger Sean.
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Oh, the white means I'm white.
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So my name is Roger Sean. My wife's name
is Mona.
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She works at Cavalry Hospital, and we're
looking for $1 ,300 to $1 ,500 one
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bedroom.
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We're doing that because my wife would
love to be a little closer to where she
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works.
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She's now 30 years old.
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Fred Freiberg's group is an
investigative outfit that hires actors
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they're searching for apartments.
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Today, that's what I'm doing.
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I'll be carrying a hidden camera to find
out whether a landlord racially
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discriminates. Will the landlord tell
one thing to me?
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and another to LB.
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If the landlord treats us differently,
Fred Center intends to sue him.
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We did test a number of buildings in the
neighborhood you're going to and found
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this one was, in fact, discriminating
based on race.
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Your organization has been in business
for 11 years, and you've sued often, I
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understand. We do sue often. When we
find discrimination, we have not lost a
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case.
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But why are you, I mean, you're
exceedingly white.
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Yes, but I realize the harm that comes
to everybody, including white people in
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the society and living in a segregated
society.
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I know I was greatly impaired growing up
in a segregated white neighborhood,
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going to segregated white schools, not
having contact with people of other
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and cultures, impaired my ability to
function now in a more multiracial
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It's L .B. Williams tagging in as
Lawrence Williams.
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So that is recorded.
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The camera? Yeah, this is the camera.
The camera's right there. So when it
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in your pocket, it's perfect.
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We tend to think of education as a
personal problem.
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It could be bad luck with a teacher this
year, or kids going through a phase.
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But here, in Pinellas County, Florida,
the schools have become a collective
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problem affecting an entire community.
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So why?
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Why is this happening here?
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I taught high school in Philadelphia,
where our school system always seemed to
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be on the verge of bankruptcy.
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But St. Petersburg isn't a poor city. In
fact, it has one of the highest per
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capita income levels in all of Florida.
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But beneath the surface, this sunny
tourist town has a darker side.
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A history of housing discrimination
packed much of the county's black
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into south St. Petersburg.
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And when school busing began in 1971,
whites rioted against desegregation.
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Riots erupted again in 1996.
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after the police killed an unarmed black
man, Tyrone Lewis.
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But throughout the 80s and 90s, the
schools in South St. Petersburg seemed
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doing fine.
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It wasn't until 2007 that the bottom
began to fall out.
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In the news coverage from that year, one
school board member's name appears
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again and again, sounding the alarm.
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Mary Brown.
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Each year, of course, you look at the
budget and see where you can cut costs.
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Right. The school board felt, well, we
have a budget cut that we have to make,
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and we've got to cut out busing some
children.
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So we were talking about a vote on
whether we end busing. The vote was that
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would go back to neighborhood schools.
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And now you called it neighborhood
schools.
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They're segregated schools.
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They're segregated schools.
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Yeah, that's the bottom line.
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They're segregated schools.
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The parents thought that they would get
everything they needed.
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Some of the people of the black
community thought, oh, the money has to
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with the children.
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Yeah. And the money should go with the
children. Yeah.
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But the money didn't quite go with the
children.
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Why do you think the money never came,
never went to where it was promised to
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go? Because it went to other schools
where they felt the need was greater.
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Why might they think their need is
greater? What are some differences
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South County and those other schools?
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North County has more white children.
South County has more minority children.
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Okay. And therefore, you can take
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that and think of it in any way you want
to.
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Funds didn't come like they were
supposed to come.
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Right. I just see a whole decade of
children.
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Get up. Let's go.
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Time to go to school.
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I told y 'all two times to go to school.
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In 2007, the Pinellas School Board
didn't say they were voting for
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But how could they not know?
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For all of its spring break parties and
Yankee retirees, this is the Jim Crow
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South.
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I remember my own father's stories about
his school in Valdosta, Georgia.
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After a wave of protests across the
South, the Supreme Court had ruled in
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v. Board of Education that segregated
schools were unconstitutional.
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And in most of America,
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desegregation meant busing.
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In Valdosta, the white kids spat on my
dad and his black classmates, and in
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cities across America, whites rioted
against busing.
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But American schools became more
integrated, and the achievement gap
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white and black students narrowed to its
lowest margin ever.
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But a recent series of court rulings has
begun to weaken Brown v. Board.
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And so, Every morning, Sunshine and
Andre dress and feed their kids.
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They check their homework and make sure
that their walk is safe, before handing
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them over to a school that is failing
them in every measurable way.
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Sunshine and Andre's children, and an
entire generation of their classmates,
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growing up in what are essentially the
same separate and unequal schools that
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the Supreme Court outlawed 60 years ago.
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Councilman Eric Mays and his
constituents continue the fight to tell
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what's been happening here.
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And today, there's a victory on that
front.
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It's been more than two years since the
water was switched, and five months
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since President Obama declared a state
of emergency.
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Still, despite the waves, a presidential
visit means the country is paying
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attention to what's happening here.
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And to the Flintstones, that's a pretty
big deal.
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apparently with the governor.
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That's me.
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The American people are paying attention
and they care about you.
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That's the good news.
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The bad news is that this should not
have happened in the first place.
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This was a man -made disaster.
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This was avoidable. This was
preventable.
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An emergency manager was put in place
whose mandate was primarily to
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cut at all costs.
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Listening to the president, it feels
like he's summarizing the lessons I've
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learned in Flint.
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It feels like after all they've been
through and all they've done to help
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other, their voices have finally been
heard.
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Can I get some water?
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The president's visit did not make the
water safe.
466
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:32,670
Even though Flint switched back to the
Detroit system months ago, the water is
467
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:34,370
still flowing through corroded pipes.
468
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:40,250
To truly fix the problem, much of
Flint's water infrastructure needs to be
469
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:44,190
overhauled. And that will take a lot of
money.
470
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:46,590
And possibly many years.
471
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:57,990
Fair Housing Justice Center is a
nonprofit civil rights organization
472
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:58,929
in New York City.
473
00:33:58,930 --> 00:34:03,890
What we did this past week here in New
York is we tested in a predominantly
474
00:34:03,890 --> 00:34:09,370
white neighborhood and sent L .B.
Williams and Norman Lear.
475
00:34:09,989 --> 00:34:15,469
And we actually have an audio and video
account of what occurred during these
476
00:34:15,469 --> 00:34:17,969
visits. So this is L .B.'s recording.
477
00:34:19,650 --> 00:34:21,250
Hi. Hi.
478
00:34:21,739 --> 00:34:22,739
Are you the landlord?
479
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,379
Yes, sir.
480
00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:26,699
My wife and I are looking for a one
-bedroom apartment.
481
00:34:27,820 --> 00:34:29,500
Last month, I rented one.
482
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,340
Two months ago, I rented two.
483
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:34,540
Okay. At the moment, I have no vacancies
here.
484
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:35,940
Okay, no vacancies?
485
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,320
No, at the moment.
486
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:42,040
Okay. When do you think you have one
that will be available? One bedroom, I
487
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,859
don't expect.
488
00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:43,940
Two bedrooms, I don't expect.
489
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,380
Maybe a studio a little next month.
Okay.
490
00:34:50,830 --> 00:34:53,150
He clearly said there was no one bedroom
available.
491
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:56,590
Clearly, he said it several times.
492
00:34:56,929 --> 00:35:02,770
So this was basically Tuesday night and
then Wednesday morning, you visited the
493
00:35:02,770 --> 00:35:03,770
same landlord.
494
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:07,890
Hey, how you doing?
495
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:11,310
Hey, my wife was out here the other day.
496
00:35:11,770 --> 00:35:14,750
I guess you saw that sign. Yeah.
497
00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:19,200
We were looking for a one -bedroom
apartment.
498
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:24,760
I'm going to have a studio here, and I
have one bedroom in Pelham Bay.
499
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,640
Uh -huh.
500
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:28,180
I think I know where that is.
501
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,540
In the studio here.
502
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,180
Studio, I'm going to have end of the
month here.
503
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:34,299
Uh -huh.
504
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,440
Terrific. I thank you very much, sir.
505
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,200
You.
506
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:43,750
got told about a studio apartment in
that building that was coming available.
507
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:49,170
A one -bedroom apartment was available,
which he's willing to show me, and a
508
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:54,490
studio. Yeah, and the one bedroom,
according to the recording, is in Pelham
509
00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:59,790
on Wellman Avenue, another predominantly
white neighborhood. Last night, the way
510
00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:04,490
LB was treated, was that a surprise to
you? No, it was not, because we had
511
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:07,790
previously investigated this building
and done multiple.
512
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:14,730
African -American white tests at this
building. And the exact conduct that we
513
00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:19,770
observed on your test, we observed three
additional previous times. The way this
514
00:36:19,770 --> 00:36:23,650
housing provider does business is to
discriminate against African -Americans.
515
00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:28,410
Now, it's not against the law. It is. So
why hasn't something been done about
516
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:32,250
it? Well, I think part of it goes to
this issue of the type of discrimination
517
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:36,710
is. If LB had been a bona fide apartment
seeker.
518
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:42,230
he would have had no idea that the agent
was lying to him about availabilities.
519
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:46,150
So you'd have no inclination to file a
housing discrimination complaint.
520
00:36:46,810 --> 00:36:50,990
So everything we're talking about, how
pervasive is this?
521
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:55,830
I think it still accounts for much of
the segregation that we see in our
522
00:36:55,830 --> 00:37:00,690
metropolitan region. It's one of the
prominent factors, I think, in why we
523
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:03,250
move more quickly toward a more
integrated society.
524
00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:06,090
I think people of color carry...
525
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:13,300
additional baggage, through no fault of
our own, that other people, that
526
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,560
white people don't worry about,
essentially.
527
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:21,520
There's this issue that you always have
to be aware of, that someone is going to
528
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,560
look at you differently, not for what
you are, essentially, but for what you
529
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,560
look like.
530
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:34,360
It always saddens me, but consistently
says to me, as an African American,
531
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,140
That I'm less than.
532
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,700
And that's a horrible feeling to feel.
533
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,200
You deserve a lot of credit for doing
this.
534
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:51,340
I feel like I have to.
535
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,300
You know, it's my way of making a
difference.
536
00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:59,640
I think hopefully shining a light on the
problem.
537
00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:04,310
in this forum, by bringing the lawsuits
that we subsequently will, in response
538
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:09,870
to these situations, will show the
government that it is possible to
539
00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:13,470
this discriminatory conduct, but you've
got to devote the enforcement resources
540
00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:14,890
to do it.
541
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:30,750
Back in 2007, The Pinellas School Board
promised that newly resegregated schools
542
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:33,430
in South County would get the resources
that they needed.
543
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:36,550
But Mary Brown told me the funding never
came.
544
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:42,390
The federal Title I program provides
additional funding for schools with high
545
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:44,230
concentrations of low -income students.
546
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:48,530
All five of the county's worst schools
receive Title I support.
547
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:54,450
I called the local Title I office, but
they blew me off. So I'm dropping by in
548
00:38:54,450 --> 00:38:55,990
person to look at their public records.
549
00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:00,220
Hi, how are you?
550
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,720
I'm with Jesse Williams.
551
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,000
I don't have that information right now.
552
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:14,800
Not right now. We don't have anyone here
that can help you with that. Do you
553
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,000
want to come back or make an
appointment?
554
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Who are you?
555
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,500
I'm shooting a Norman Lear documentary,
America Divided. I'm Jesse Williams.
556
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:32,890
Is there a reason for the hostility?
557
00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:35,050
What's the problem with that?
558
00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:43,090
The Title I office called the police on
me instead of talking, and it's hard for
559
00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:45,030
anyone here to get answers from the
school system.
560
00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:50,870
So families like the Tuckers must drive
across Pinellas to attend the monthly
561
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:52,490
school board meetings in North County.
562
00:39:57,610 --> 00:40:00,810
They join Ashley Green and the Dream
Defenders for the protest outside.
563
00:40:01,150 --> 00:40:02,990
Our children deserve wins!
564
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:05,170
Win! Win! Win!
565
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:07,250
Win! Win! Win!
566
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:09,350
All right, let's do this!
567
00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:14,410
Inside, they are each given three
minutes to speak to the people
568
00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:15,410
their children's future.
569
00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:19,870
You can argue about the money. You can
argue about the resources.
570
00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:24,730
But if we're truly talking about equity
and equity for black kids, the black
571
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:26,750
students here, they need more resources.
572
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:30,680
My son's education is important just
like anybody's kid's important, black,
573
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:34,440
white, Asian, anything. These children,
my children, the children that attend
574
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,680
these schools are not failures. They're
not dumb.
575
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,640
They need more help. I challenge you
from the position that you stand to
576
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,580
actually serve the students whom you are
entrusted.
577
00:40:46,820 --> 00:40:52,120
The constant excuses, the constant
telling us that we're not doing enough
578
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,220
causing us to explode.
579
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:58,910
I want to invite you all out to a
community barbecue that we're going to
580
00:40:58,910 --> 00:41:00,410
having on March 19th.
581
00:41:02,090 --> 00:41:04,070
We have to limit to three minutes. Thank
you, though.
582
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:09,530
So we will do our board meeting
evaluation and be in adjournment.
583
00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:24,610
The Title I office still won't talk to
us, but I managed to track down copies
584
00:41:24,610 --> 00:41:25,610
the state audits.
585
00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:29,590
And it's immediately clear that Mary
Brown is right.
586
00:41:30,930 --> 00:41:35,290
The state auditors repeatedly cite
Pinellas County for staffing the schools
587
00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:38,410
unqualified teachers and for
misallocation of funds.
588
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:44,150
So I dig a little deeper and find that
in spite of all their promises to the
589
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:48,130
contrary, funding after segregation was
erratic at best.
590
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:53,670
Some years, the failing schools received
less money from the county than other
591
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:54,670
schools in the district.
592
00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:04,290
Though the superintendent refuses to
talk to me, I set up a meeting with a
593
00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:08,270
school board member who voted to end
busing and presided over the
594
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:09,270
of Pinellas schools.
595
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:11,890
Linda Lerner.
596
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,860
We spoke yesterday. I stopped by. I was
looking for an apartment, that one
597
00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:27,860
-bedroom apartment.
598
00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:30,200
My wife had seen the sign.
599
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,620
Can we make a date to look at that?
We're interested.
600
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,340
The time has come to confront the
landlord who discriminated against OB,
601
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:43,220
him no one -bedroom apartments were
available.
602
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,260
I will see you at 9 .30 at 2854.
603
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:49,820
Thank you.
604
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,540
I must say I'm good at this.
605
00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:57,120
I spent
606
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:05,080
my
607
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,080
career creating characters whose lives
would shine a light on our divided
608
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,080
society.
609
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,100
The point was to move beyond the
divisions.
610
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:20,420
But being a part of this experiment has
shown me that racism still stands.
611
00:43:21,070 --> 00:43:26,630
our country, through subtle words and
gestures that shut people of color out
612
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:29,090
neighborhoods and out of opportunity.
613
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:36,890
The landlord's actions placed me on one
side of the divide and L .B. on the
614
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:41,010
other. Now I want to see how he will
answer for himself.
615
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,960
With a hidden camera and a producer
posing as my daughter, we continue the
616
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,180
charade as he shows us an apartment in
the building.
617
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,780
Two windows.
618
00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:39,090
Do you remember that face?
619
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:45,270
Because he came looking for an apartment
just the other day. And you told him
620
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:47,290
that the one bedroom of the studio was
available.
621
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:49,750
I didn't have no one bedroom.
622
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:53,170
We have one at Wellman Avenue, but we
were supposed to be there.
623
00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:59,230
I'm sorry to cost you this way, but
there were no blacks in the building,
624
00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:00,970
we're not going to rent to blacks in the
building.
625
00:45:01,950 --> 00:45:02,950
Come with me.
626
00:45:03,110 --> 00:45:04,110
Come with me.
627
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:05,290
I
628
00:45:05,290 --> 00:45:15,730
don't
629
00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:16,730
want the camera here.
630
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:25,240
though it says he'll take us to meet
some of his black tenants.
631
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,560
But after we enter the building, he
changes his mind and says he doesn't
632
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,560
disturb them.
633
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,840
He lied, I believe.
634
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:44,260
And he represents a good deal of
America.
635
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:47,460
And I'm...
636
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:52,770
I'm not sad because they're bad guys.
I'm sad because we don't have a culture
637
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:58,370
that discusses us with them, with the so
-called good guys.
638
00:45:59,310 --> 00:46:03,350
You know, we're all going to have to
know about it, think about it, talk
639
00:46:03,350 --> 00:46:06,750
it before we ever get past it.
640
00:46:07,330 --> 00:46:13,990
I feel sadder for having done it because
this is our America and it
641
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:15,070
isn't what we promised.
642
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,900
So in 2007, there was a vote cast that
seriously impacted predominantly black
643
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:34,700
population and a generation of that
population that has been pushed into the
644
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:39,280
most underserved and underperforming
schools in the nation. One of the really
645
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,640
unique things that you provide to this
narrative is that you were there.
646
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,540
Is that something, looking back on it,
that you regret?
647
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:49,380
No, I don't regret the vote. Our goal
was not to segregate the schools.
648
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,620
Our goal was to attract diversity.
649
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:55,920
It wasn't like there was no plan. So
that's what I want to get into. So you
650
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,400
at the hearing that we're going to be
held accountable by our constituents,
651
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,200
community, to follow through. And that
may mean taking some resources from
652
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,680
schools. And that's not easy.
653
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,300
I believe we understood that when we put
that commitment to place. This is
654
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:13,120
attributed to you. So the part of the
deal was we're going to segregate the
655
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,140
schools. But we're going to add
resources to supplement that. We may
656
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:20,220
resources for a very high poverty area.
657
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:22,980
They did have extra money as Title I
schools.
658
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:27,360
They actually did have, I can't tell you
the amount, lots of extra money. But,
659
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:29,020
you know, we're looking through the
numbers.
660
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:33,580
And in 2008, an audit, which is really
the first full year after this decision
661
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:37,700
was made, was showing that the funds
were misallocated. I won't even get into
662
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:40,120
that. I can send you to their head of
finance.
663
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,500
That is completely false.
664
00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:45,730
But that 2008 audit, that's where I'm
getting that information from the
665
00:47:45,730 --> 00:47:46,990
highlighted sections in particular.
666
00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:50,130
That's what's saying very specifically
that the funds were misallocated.
667
00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:51,130
Absolutely not true.
668
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:56,430
Starting in 2013, 2014, we started
putting extra money in those five
669
00:47:56,490 --> 00:48:01,230
What strikes me is that what we're
talking about is 2013, 14, but the
670
00:48:01,230 --> 00:48:06,390
was made in 2007, 8. We have other
schools that have high numbers of
671
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:09,630
students. So why are these five schools
getting it? Because there was the
672
00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:10,630
recognition.
673
00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:16,040
That these were the schools that were
most in need of those resources.
674
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,680
And when did they become in need of
those resources?
675
00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:24,900
When did they become in need of those
resources? Yes, you identified a need.
676
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:28,540
I'm wondering how do you measure that
need and when did you find out they had
677
00:48:28,540 --> 00:48:34,180
need? I'm just saying before we gave
some extra resources, we had
678
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,780
But when we really looked at the data
and what was happening, recognized...
679
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,600
Pardon? Is this 2014?
680
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:48,060
I think it'll be four years and next
July. Next July. I won't accept that we
681
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:50,760
were doing nothing. That's not true.
Were we doing enough?
682
00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:56,040
No. And another big part of it, as you
know, having been a teacher, and you
683
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:02,120
understand all of this, it's attracting
and retaining the most highly qualified
684
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,820
teachers who really want to be here.
685
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,460
The 2012 state audit said that 171
teachers were not.
686
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:10,540
were not qualified and they needed to be
qualified, and they were receiving
687
00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:14,480
those federal funds. I've admitted that
we did things but could have done more.
688
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:17,160
You keep going back to it. Because that
kid gets one chance.
689
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,960
He gets one chance.
690
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:25,600
You keep wanting me to say how terrible
I was with the vote, how bad I was to
691
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,600
vote for that, how I was going to make
schools that were underperforming. I
692
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,600
won't agree to that.
693
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,380
It seems like the whole school system
here is in denial.
694
00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:44,760
But momentum is growing behind a cluster
of community groups that are demanding
695
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,760
change.
696
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,320
The Dream Descenders have convened a
meeting in a local park.
697
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,920
And some parents, like Sunshine and
Andre, are joining them for the very
698
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,920
time.
699
00:49:56,740 --> 00:49:57,260
Sunshine
700
00:49:57,260 --> 00:50:05,160
and
701
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,080
Andre had been looking for a way to get
their children out of Lakewood.
702
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,620
But now they want to stay and join the
growing movement for change.
703
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,820
They're organizing to transform their
schools collectively rather than escape
704
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:17,820
them individually.
705
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,800
Dream Defenders Barbecue, where you have
this kind of intersection of
706
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,380
organizers, activists, and parents, and
students. How does that feel?
707
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:30,440
I love to see people coming together for
a good cause like this, man.
708
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,080
The only thing I wish it was more
people. I wish this whole part was
709
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,080
people and parents.
710
00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:38,730
To have kids and trying to get the word
out.
711
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:42,650
To me, I think we're going to join
whatever we got to join so we can help.
712
00:50:43,350 --> 00:50:46,950
It was the fight for school
desegregation that launched the civil
713
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:49,950
movement. And it didn't begin with a
courtroom argument.
714
00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:54,990
It began with black students and their
parents organizing across the South.
715
00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:59,530
The Dream Defenders invited the school
board to come to this meeting.
716
00:51:00,030 --> 00:51:01,150
None of them showed.
717
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:04,010
But I can feel something building here.
718
00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:08,400
Something the school board will not be
able to ignore for very much longer.
719
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:28,580
Before I head home, I want to say
goodbye to a new friend, Councilman Eric
720
00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:32,240
He says I'll find him at a place that's
close to his heart.
721
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:37,850
Somewhere. He finds solace in the
ongoing battle over the future of Flint.
722
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:40,990
Hi. Hey, how you doing?
723
00:51:41,310 --> 00:51:43,550
How are you, company?
724
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:52,370
This is a place to come and reflect and
build back up your
725
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:53,830
strength and momentum.
726
00:51:54,050 --> 00:51:59,770
It's very encouraging. It's a good place
to come every now and then. I worked
727
00:51:59,770 --> 00:52:02,050
over in the plant UAWTF.
728
00:52:02,650 --> 00:52:05,010
And this is the sit -down strike
monument.
729
00:52:06,110 --> 00:52:11,030
When you look at these guys, even though
they're sitting down, they protest.
730
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:20,610
Councilman May tells me that in December
1936, workers demanding better wages
731
00:52:20,610 --> 00:52:23,550
and conditions occupied Flint's GM
factory.
732
00:52:24,010 --> 00:52:25,690
They stayed through New Year.
733
00:52:27,590 --> 00:52:31,930
As they sit down in the plant, I want to
show you what the women did.
734
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:38,560
They were breaking out the windows and
bringing the men food and supplies.
735
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:54,960
And this woman here took more than one
police to drag her on.
736
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,340
She was really something.
737
00:52:59,820 --> 00:53:05,640
Even when the police attacked with tear
gas, the workers stayed put for six
738
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,640
weeks.
739
00:53:07,220 --> 00:53:13,440
In the end, General Motors negotiated,
acceded to many demands, and for the
740
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,220
first time recognized the United Auto
Workers Union.
741
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,980
And unions started to form across all
major industries, ushering in a golden
742
00:53:24,980 --> 00:53:26,060
for American workers.
743
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:37,160
So this monument is a very encouraging
place to come in the middle of the
744
00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:38,220
right?
745
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:43,520
It reminds you that you have to stay
active.
746
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:48,280
There's a spirit of activism here that's
really necessary.
747
00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:50,660
I call myself an activist.
748
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:53,680
You call yourself a what? An activist.
749
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:54,879
An activist.
750
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,660
They're naming us actorvists. You know,
actors, they're also activists.
751
00:53:58,980 --> 00:53:59,980
Right. Mm -hmm.
752
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:08,700
This monument makes me continue to
believe that organizing and fighting is
753
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:14,440
right. The labor strike was a fight of
the middle class to get better working
754
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:21,100
conditions and economics. The water
fight is still an economic turbo
755
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:25,920
war. You had the emergency manager
coming in, taking over control.
756
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:32,620
And I think that's what I want people to
understand about the water crisis. It
757
00:54:32,620 --> 00:54:39,460
wasn't just the quality of the water. It
was who would control the water in
758
00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:40,460
the future.
759
00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:46,560
From the history of the city of Flint
and the way we've operated as a people,
760
00:54:46,740 --> 00:54:49,620
Flintstones, we will be successful.
761
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:58,780
I have to show them they will care.
762
00:54:59,020 --> 00:55:01,700
They mess with the wrong people when
they mess with Flint.
763
00:55:01,940 --> 00:55:05,640
We're going to stand up and fight back.
We ain't taking it. We ain't going to be
764
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,420
quiet. We ain't going to be silent.
765
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,980
We're going to keep on fighting. We're
taking it.
766
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,020
But they take it away from us.
767
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:17,620
On
768
00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:26,520
the
769
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,520
next.
770
00:55:49,379 --> 00:55:54,380
This disease is hollowing out suburban
and small -town America.
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