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That didn't get too far.
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We're going again.
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Quiet, please.
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Rolling.
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Good? Yeah. All right. Lock it up.
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I'm not ashamed to say that I have an
agenda, but my enemy has an agenda also.
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So I make no apologies.
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I'm a photographer, a photojournalist.
When you're fighting a good fight,
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apologies aren't necessary.
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If celebrities want a private life, then
they shouldn't become famous in the
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first place.
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I'm not one who believes in curtailing
freedom, but it seems like something
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really should be done to curtail...
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The paparazzi's behavior.
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Michael and his family and all of us
have been through this awful thing.
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All I know is my mom called me because
Michael was producing another project,
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you know. I mean, I'm trying to produce
a project too.
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Michael, you know, does that with ease.
And this one he wanted to do.
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And I was to respond because Michael got
in trouble again. My career has never
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been driven by the paparazzi.
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It's always been driven by the work.
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Well, I didn't really have any dealings
with the paparazzi before.
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You know, I was in a paparazzi -free
zone.
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I didn't create the system.
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But I'm smart enough to know that these
celebrities wouldn't last ten seconds
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without. I'm kind of a private guy
compared to people that invite cameras
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their house for some kind of reality
show. They all fight tooth and nail to
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it. And on the way up, if they get...
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Their picture are mentioned in the back
of some rag doing a bit part in some
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crappy place and they're fucking beside
themselves.
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But I'm not such a private guy when it
comes to publicity and interviews and
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things like that.
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But I do have things in my personal life
that I need to protect.
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But once they hit the big time, then
they're all private and they don't owe
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anybody anything.
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Everything's changed.
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That's bullshit.
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You know...
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It wasn't easy for me when I started
out.
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I was pretty green.
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In fact, I didn't really know what the
hell I was doing.
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But I always knew that publicity was
part of the process, and I'm a process
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-oriented guy.
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The truth is, you know, Michael started
this machine, okay, and it snowballed
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and it built momentum just like I said
it would.
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But my voice is not quite as loud as
Michael's in our family.
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So... You know, I sat back and I just
watched the train wreck.
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I'm inspired by making films.
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And I know that press junkets and
interviews and press conferences and
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appearances and autographs and things
like that are, I know they're part of
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whole thing. But you know what, I don't
really seek out the press, whereas
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Michael, there was a story in one of
those rags about, like, his
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snake.
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escaping in his office.
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I don't know that he really has a live
snake in the office, first of all, and
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also I know that he plays that story.
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You know, he loves that. He loves, well,
he used to.
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Loves the tabloid press.
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You know, tabloid speculating on
something, that's okay too, but there's
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thing I can't live with. It's a flat
-out lie.
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And that's why you made this
documentary?
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That's why, but I'm doing it, but...
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I had help.
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I had a little help.
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Hilt. Dexter Hilt.
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Dexter Hilt?
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Dexter Hilt is an opportunistic, uh, a
-hole.
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Yeah, I know things turned out okay for
us, but it was in spite of that idiot.
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Not because of him. I guess I can
understand Dexter's desire to advance
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career, but I never thought he would
betray me.
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And Mark.
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We were a team. I mean, we weren't some
unbreakable team. I mean, we did deadly
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veneer together, and yeah, I wanted...
That doesn't mean we're married, you
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know? See, I got hired by Michael, sort
of a package deal with Mark and Jackie.
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If that hadn't happened, any one of us
were just as likely to move on to
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something bigger with or without each
other. My agent called me, told me that
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Michael Manson wanted to have a meeting
with us.
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You know, I think he said that he said
something like... Those kids that did
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that Deadly Veneer documentary that won.
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Well, that's what got me my agent. So I
tried not to take offense at those kids'
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comments. And I called Jack and Dexter
and agreed to the meeting. Well, I'm not
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the type to get all starstruck, but I
have to admit it was pretty cool. I
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Michael fucking Madsen.
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His Malibu beach house, his producing
partner.
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I mean, plenty of beer, full spread of
food.
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I mean, he had his bird.
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and dogs and his kids running around. It
was like a scene right out of the
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movies, man. It was great.
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It was like art imitating life, life
imitating army, all that good stuff. It
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good, man. I got into documentary
filmmaking to make a difference.
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I feel that we accomplished that with
Deadly Veneer.
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When Mr. Madsen first pitched his
concept to us to basically stalk Dance,
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appalled. I knew that Dance had been
writing those things about Mr. Madsen,
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he supposedly murdered that woman.
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At first I thought it was Mr. Madsen's
way of getting revenge, and I did not
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want any part of it. Uh, yeah, well, the
three of us talked about it after we
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met with Michael, and Jackie kept saying
it was nothing but revenge, but that
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didn't bother me at all. Matter of fact,
I can get behind that more than
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anything else. But I don't know, the
more I thought about it, the more I felt
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could view both sides of the equation.
We could explore, do it justice.
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I was wrong.
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Michael went into the...
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project i think with the idea of revenge
and i think it proved a lot that i'd
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always suspected that revenge is not
justice that justice
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is not the truth and the truth
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is whatever you really believe it to be
maybe we could
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start at the beginning
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You know, I remember when I got off the
plane, when I first came to L .A., I had
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a motorcycle jacket on and a motorcycle
boots, you know.
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And that was me.
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And I didn't realize it was a Halloween
costume.
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He had raw talent, good looks, charisma.
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They sent me on an audition for a
television show called Saint Elsewhere.
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And I was late for the damn thing.
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And so I went. I was in my...
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My, my gas station. I was in my 76
stuff. I had my blue shirt, my pants
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You know, I had my shit on.
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I had to go straight there. I was way
late.
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And so, I went in and I sat there and I
read with the casting director.
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It was the first time in my life I'd
ever auditioned for anything.
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You know, you have the piece of paper
and you gotta say the things and look at
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the person and it's very awkward.
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It's really awkward.
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Anyway, I got the... He got it.
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He got the first thing he auditioned
for.
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When my agent called to say that I got
the part, he said he was laughing on the
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phone and I said, what's so funny? And
he said, well, the casting director said
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that it was brilliant that you came in
as a working class guy, dressed as a
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working class guy.
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I was like, okay.
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But he was by no means an overnight
success.
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Michael worked his ass off to get to
where he is now.
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He auditioned constantly, took almost
anything he could book, got noticed in
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smaller roles, and little by little, he
got bigger, better parts.
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That's about the time when I first
stepped up at the agency and we started
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working together.
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I met Michael on the set of Kill Bill
just before we were about to do our
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together.
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He pulled me aside.
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We were in the middle of a desert.
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And he said, what do you think about
God?
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And what can I do about the kind of
world that it looks like my kids are
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to grow up into?
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And I gave him the easiest answers I
could, which wasn't much, I guess.
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And I realized right away that Michael's
a really good guy.
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and are a really good actor.
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He's kind, he's gentle.
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He's a gentle giant, really, you know?
And, I mean, his bad boy image is just
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that. He's big.
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Big, good -looking guy.
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Friendly. Good company.
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Talented.
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Good poet.
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Good guy.
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You know, on screen, Michael is a really
tough guy, and...
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Michael is a really tough guy, but
Michael is one of the most benevolent,
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righteous people I've ever met. Everyone
has nice stories to tell about Michael.
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You know, every set that I'm on,
somebody comes up and is like, oh, I
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your brother, and you're really so
great, he's so funny.
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And, you know, and so I tell Michael,
and, you know, he even remembers their
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name. I mean, who does that?
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These are people on the crew.
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It's, uh...
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A much easier career to maintain and
manage.
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Way easier than the overnight successes,
if you can believe it.
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He's proven that he won't burn out and
fade away.
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That means bankability and staying
power, both domestically and abroad.
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All I have to do is sit back and cherry
pick the offers.
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Don't tell him I said so.
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He will, too.
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He really will.
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With any role, it's all about the craft.
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It's all about getting involved in the
character without being self -conscious.
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Being conscious of not being self
-conscious, if that makes any sense.
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It's all about the focus.
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Keeping yourself in character.
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I like Thelma and Louise. I like
Reservoir Dogs.
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I like Donnie Brasco. I like... Free
Willy.
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I don't really know. I think longevity
is what I'm after,
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you know?
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Showbiz.
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My opinion.
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It's like everything else, it's what is.
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Everything to me, the whole existence,
the consciousness on the planet, it's...
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It's a movie, and it's already in a can.
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So it's all one big movie, all of it.
Your life, I'm not in charge, and
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in charge.
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In a lot of ways, I don't really like
where I'm at right now.
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I never really counted on this much
fame.
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You know, I mean, it got to the point
where I couldn't even walk down the
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without 100 pictures of me being taken.
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And I've always been completely honest
about who I am.
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About the partying and about everything.
I mean, how much more honest can a
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person be?
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Even after laying it all bare, the
tabloid press, they still keep making
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up. So maybe he did have problems.
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Who doesn't?
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You do. I do. Cameraman does.
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Crack whore on the street does. The
point is, the point is, you put
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life under a microscope?
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Hello?
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it's going to come off scandalous.
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They'll interview somebody for 45
minutes and at some point the guy will
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something that could be taken out of
context and make it look bad and that's
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they'll use.
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Like when you're going to premieres,
you're going to public events and stuff
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like that, it's fine.
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I don't think any actors, any musicians
have a problem with dealing with
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paparazzi. It's almost like sometimes
the better you do, the worse it becomes
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because... They see something good, and
they just want more and more and more
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and more. I've had people parking
outside of my house for days on end so
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know when I'm coming and going, who's
there, when I'm alone.
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It can be dangerous, and it can feel
very threatening.
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I know it's been said before, and it
might be a cliche, but being famous is
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all just easy living and kicking back.
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Sometimes it's pretty damn tough.
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I know that sometimes when one becomes
famous, they say that your life is open
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to the world.
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You want to know something?
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It isn't. But this one thing, this one
thing, it just brought my outrage
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to a whole nother level.
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I did not kill Vanessa Rappaport.
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I met that girl one time.
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Once. She was a background atmosphere in
a film I did.
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She was background extra in a picture I
worked on, okay?
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I said hello to her. She's nice. She was
sweet. She was a nice little girl.
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All I did was say hello. That's all it
was.
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And I told the cops that.
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And they believed me. And they were
cool.
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There's no way.
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Michael would come to me and say, what
the hell do I do about this?
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And he'd tell me if he did it because he
knows that I take care of him
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no matter what he did.
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I wouldn't put it past Michael to have
some involvement with all of this.
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Now, I know then it went too far and it
became something else. But in the
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beginning, you know, just not having
spoken to Michael in a while.
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You know, I really didn't know anything
about this until suddenly it was like
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headline news.
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The person responsible for that is Dan.
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Billy Dan.
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Hey, what's going on, guys? Mr. Dan,
we'd like to interview you. Find out
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it takes to be the top reporter.
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Right.
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Who are you guys? Did sales send you
guys?
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Dan's rag.
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The rag.
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Printed the now infamous story.
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Michael Madsen.
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The murderer.
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Michael Madsen, the murderer.
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Okay, Dad, yeah.
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Vanessa Rappaport, yeah.
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I killed her. A lot of people just, you
know, like the idea of the story, almost
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like it was a good story that maybe he
killed this girl.
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Anyway, I knew that I had to do
something.
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A number of occasions.
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Now, will you admit to that?
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Madsen, the murderer.
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Okay.
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It's so ridiculous.
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I can't even believe I have to defend
myself against this.
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Oh, come on. Give me a break.
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I'm not going to dignify that with an
answer.
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For the last time, I did not kill
Vanessa Rappaport.
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Have you ever killed anyone, sugar tits?
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Ladies and gentlemen, do your homework.
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Are you going to let this...
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and Billy Dan give you all your
information?
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Come on!
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Give me a fucking break! Right here,
Madsen.
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And I did do my homework.
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Now I've got a question for you. That's
the game you clowns play. Why don't you
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be that big, brave, tough guy that you
pretend to be in all your movies and
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confess that you killed Vanessa
Rappaport? Against something that I
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And you don't have any evidence.
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That's ridiculous.
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That's ridiculous.
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Where are you going?
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Where's the body, man?
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Huh? Where's the body? Why don't you
shut up? You killed Vanessa Rappaport.
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up! You killed Vanessa Rappaport. Keep
on printing your lies, and you're going
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to find out.
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You're going to find out who I am.
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Are you going to kill me too?
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The thing is, it wasn't even a murder
investigation.
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The girl was missing, yeah.
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But there was no evidence of a murder,
for Christ's sake.
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But you know as well as I do.
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That if someone blows that whistle loud
enough and long enough, it becomes the
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new hot topic. Am I right? Well, in this
particular case, it's just been brutal
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for our family. The harassment has been
incredible, and it's been
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exceedingly difficult.
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I had no doubt
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in my mind when we filed suit we were
going to win.
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We were going to send a message to all
the tabloids who stooped to yellow
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journalism. The trial, of course, was a
field day, even for the legitimate
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media.
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What a disaster.
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The way the liberal world works today,
everyone's afraid to take a stand.
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The judge upheld the first amendment
rights, even though they had consented
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they had printed sensational headlines.
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But the judgment was that they had used
creative punctuation of those headlines
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and vague enough wording in the article
itself to get away with it. It seems
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like that.
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That trial was, there was probably some
other factors involved that skewed it
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in a weird direction.
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I guess the First Amendment means that
you can print whatever you want about
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somebody, even if it isn't true.
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In defamation cases with public figures,
there's a higher burden of proof, and
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it's very difficult to make a case
against the media in particular,
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when the alleged defamer uses words like
alleged.
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I think it was wrong.
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I don't know who paid somebody something
or what went on, but he should have won
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that. I mean, I'd say for sure this is
libel. The problem we had in this case
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was, of course, the higher standards
required for the defamation laws vis -a
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-vis a public figure when that public
figure sues a media entity.
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Total bullshit.
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You know, it got to the point where I
realized that the more you defend
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yourself. the more guilty you seem.
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Even in this documentary, where I wanted
truth to be the main character, it
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turned into a balancing act of what to
say and what not to say.
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So I guess I figured I'd just let happen
what's going to happen and just let be
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what's going to be and truly let that
walk a mile in my boots.
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You know, what Michael's doing is
just...
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simply bringing more attention.
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I mean, he's just pouring fuel on
flames, but that's just my opinion.
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I mean, I think that had he not
responded, it may have just sort of gone
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you know, but that's just my opinion.
It's not the way I would have handled
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things, but it's, you know, it's
Michael. It's Michael logic.
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And that's when I got the idea to turn
the tables on Tant.
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To turn it around, give him a taste of
his own medicine.
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So, I went out and hired my documentary
filmmakers.
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When Mr. Madsen first pitched his
concept to us, to basically stalk Dance,
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appalled. With a guaranteed budget, how
could I say no?
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I spent years scrounging for finishing
funds for Deadly Veneer. I didn't want
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do that again.
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I admit, I needed the money.
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And that's what pumps my hips, you know
what I mean?
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But, uh... This being the exception,
documentary filmmaking hardly pays the
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bills. And you don't have the control
like you do with the narrative, you
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with the shots, the lighting, the whole
look.
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You know, docs are never about the image
or the picture. It's just talking
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heads.
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Yeah? What are we at, like a medium
close -up right now? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah.
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I mean, I don't care what Mark and
Jackie say. At the end of the day, all
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documentary filmmakers really just want
to make features anyway.
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It's true.
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My goal has always been to get to, like,
a Ken Burns.
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You know, where the money's always
there, just waiting for your next idea.
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figured this was the next step for me.
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A big step.
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Yeah, we turned the tables on Billy
Dance.
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Just like Mr. Madsen wanted.
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But they got turned on us, too.
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We didn't do unto others like we should
have, so I got what I deserved.
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I take full responsibility for my part
in it all.
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But hopefully, submitting to this
interview, I'll get my chance.
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To clean this late.
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But, of course, who knows how all of
this will turn out.
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I guess that's up to you.
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Or whoever edits this travesty.
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Do you know what he looks like?
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Of course, don't you?
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Probably. Yeah, I can spot him.
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Not too much glare.
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He'll be fine. There's a lot of noise
out here. Got time to put on a filter?
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Don't worry about it, you guys.
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There he is.
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Do we need to get releases if anyone
else gets in the shot? Don't be an
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Dexter. Shoot first, ask questions
later.
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Hey, what's going on, guys? Mr. Dan,
we'd like to interview you. Find out
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it takes to be the top reporter.
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Right.
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Who are you guys?
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Did sales send you guys? No, no, we're
documentarians.
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We want to talk about Deadly Veneer, the
evils of the vinyl sighting industry.
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I'm sorry, man. I never thought I'd...
Just a few minutes, Mr. Dan. It would be
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a great help to us.
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You know, I'm in a bit of a hurry, man.
Look, Mr. Dan.
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We got lucky.
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Just trying to keep the momentum going.
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You remember what it was like when you
were first starting out, don't you?
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Well, um... Look at it hurt, right?
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But just a few minutes. Ray, where do
you want... Right up here.
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Stand up.
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Okay, first question.
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What's your definition of tabloid media?
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Is it news or entertainment?
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First, the term tabloid is largely
misused.
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Define it for us.
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Simply put, it means greatly condensed
or shortened, as in abbreviated news.
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True, but that's only part of Webster's.
Isn't it also defined as lurid and
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vulgar, characterized by sensationalism?
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What's the basis of this documentary?
You guys doing that?
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comparative study of journalism or
something like that. Do you think people
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your profession are treated unfairly by
the celebrities that you publicize?
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Yeah, yeah, I definitely think we're
treated unfairly. Well,
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I think any publicity is good publicity.
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If you read a person's name enough
times, you won't forget it.
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That doesn't really hurt anyone.
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Especially not the people I'm dealing
with.
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So what you're saying is you feel
justified in invading people's privacy.
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I mean, you're doing them a favor.
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Yeah, I mean, we're fulfilling a need.
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The end justifies the means.
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Look, what I do get greatly exaggerated
by the quote -unquote real press.
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I mean, we're just out there taking
pictures, writing stories, you know,
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reporting on what the public deems
newsworthy, nothing else.
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So you feel justified in crashing
people's weddings, chasing them in their
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getting pictures of them when... I get
you. I get you. I get you're going out
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there, but it's not going to happen.
Okay.
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So, considering the complete definition
of... I got to go.
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One more question, Mr. Dan.
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One more, please.
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Who are you guys really?
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I got to go, guys. Take care.
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We didn't know who we were, what we were
doing, who had hired us.
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I was surprised.
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at how approachable dan was maybe i
started to identify with him a little
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than somebody who's trying to document
and observe should not that that changed
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my methods i think but you know having
done a couple of these now
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i find it's almost like stockholm
syndrome the relationship between the
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documentary filmmaker and his subject
especially if it's a person uh maybe
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a little more like uh
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Florence Nightingale syndrome.
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No, wait, it's, um... It's, uh...
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It's like the uncertainty principle.
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You cannot observe something without
changing it.
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Fucking douche.
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That dance was so condescending that
first time out, man. I know as a
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I'm supposed to be objective, but...
Right off the bat, I didn't like the
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As soon as Dan opened up his mouth, I
knew we were on to something big.
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He was the epitome of the delusional
state a paparazzi has to live in.
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On the first day, I decided to, you
know, catch Dan. The second he came back
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of his office, you know, really keep the
pressure on.
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There he is. There he is.
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Yep, that's him. Let's go, people.
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Move it.
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I have a couple more questions for you,
Mr. Dan. Are you following me around
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now? Oh, my God. I'm sorry.
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What is it with you people? Seriously.
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I'm sorry, Mr. Dan.
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It's over, man. No interview.
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I thought we were off to a rough start.
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But, you know, you can turn those little
accidents to your advantage. And it put
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Dan on the defensive.
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When Jackie boinked him on the head,
that's when it started to get fun.
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I wanted Dan to know that we were going
to be a permanent fixture.
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I mean, he got the idea, kept his head
low, so most of the second day amounted
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to surveillance footage. But that night,
that was a different story.
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What's your name? Cindy.
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Cindy. Cindy.
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Are you guys making a movie?
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Did you meet Mr. Dan tonight?
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We go way back. Way back. How far back?
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You're a beautiful girl. How old are
you?
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I'm 24.
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Tell me a little secret.
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00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,480
Sure. A little bit of Mr. Dan?
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00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:06,739
Yeah, buddy.
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A lot. A lot? You've been drinking a
lot. Do you feel comfortable with Mr.
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driving while he's intoxicated?
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The original intent, I felt, was a
deconstruction of the whole patriarchal
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system that allows for the exploitative
existence of the paparazzi in the first
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place.
468
00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:36,010
But it just goes to show you, you can't
reign in the demon.
469
00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:42,190
The car chase thing was fun, and I was
caught up in the moment too, but it was
470
00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:45,010
outside the nightclub when I first
realized what we were doing.
471
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,760
I mean, we were no better than Dant.
472
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:49,840
We were becoming him.
473
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:52,680
That wasn't obvious from the beginning.
474
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:55,300
Yeah,
475
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:57,860
right. The medium is the message.
476
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:02,640
In hindsight, it's 2020, Marshall
McLuhan. Are you kidding me? That shit
477
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,780
was with was hot, man. I mean, that
shit's why I'm all about success,
478
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:07,780
everybody wins.
479
00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:11,600
You can't believe that girl wasn't happy
as hell just to be seen with Dant.
480
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:12,700
Especially now.
481
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,480
But I'm a cinematographer.
482
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:18,110
And I wasn't about to stop shooting just
because some dude gets in my way.
483
00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:21,170
That's what you've got to do if you want
to make it. I mean, I should know.
484
00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:23,930
Check out the shades.
485
00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:28,870
I knew what we were getting into. I
mean, the whole hostile interview
486
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:34,550
I've always said, if you want to get to
the core of your subject matter, you've
487
00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:40,470
got to be prepared, patient, dedicated,
and, if need be, relentless.
488
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:43,390
Sometimes merciless.
489
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,800
I mean, I thought it was ironic, if not
too predictable, that Dan, now on the
490
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880
other side of the camera, reacted the
way that he did.
491
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,140
So, do you want an establishing shot of
the house? We'll get it later. You know,
492
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,840
I can pan from the skyline to the door
that opens. Just stay on the door.
493
00:32:01,060 --> 00:32:02,060
All right.
494
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Wait for it.
495
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,520
And... Come on, man.
496
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,420
What is it with you people? Seriously,
this is my home. Good morning, Mr. Dan.
497
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,560
Good morning. Hey.
498
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,260
Turn off the camera. Hey, don't touch
the camera, man. I'm serious. What's
499
00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:23,000
name? I want all your names. I'm Mark
Pollard.
500
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:26,240
I just want to ask you a few questions.
Questions? More like harass me. I'm
501
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,900
interested in your career as a
paparazzi. As a paparazzi?
502
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,240
You don't even know what I do.
503
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,540
Okay, get off my property before I call
the cops. Mr. Dan, I know that we got
504
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:34,600
off on the wrong foot.
505
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,680
That's not where we started. That's
where you took it. Okay, you're right.
506
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:40,800
But we are going to tell the story
whether you help us or not.
507
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:44,460
Now, don't gripe to me later if your
side doesn't get told. Now, all I'm
508
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:49,060
is that I want to include your point of
view, and I want to get it right.
509
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,600
So this is your chance.
510
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,820
Why didn't you say that in the first
place?
511
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,740
Mr. Dan, I'm sorry for hitting you in
the head with a boom. Boom!
512
00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:58,260
Yeah.
513
00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:02,960
He could have called me or something,
man. We try to capture our subjects in
514
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,620
their natural habitat, so to speak. But,
you know, you're probably right.
515
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,940
Would you feel more comfortable with a
traditional type of interview?
516
00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:10,940
Like what?
517
00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:12,310
A sit -down.
518
00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:15,070
Your office, maybe. I ask the questions,
you answer.
519
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:16,450
Traditional.
520
00:33:18,250 --> 00:33:19,510
This will be about my work?
521
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:20,710
Yes.
522
00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:21,850
Nothing else?
523
00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:27,430
Yes, this is purely an exploration into
celebrity journalism. So, will you give
524
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:28,430
us an interview?
525
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:34,030
Billy Dent, tabloid reporter and
photographer, was not always the man he
526
00:33:34,030 --> 00:33:38,930
today. Once upon a time, Billy Dent was
not even Billy Dent.
527
00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:45,760
Born Peter Kenneth Ryan, he too had
dreams of glory, those dreams to become
528
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,020
world's greatest true crime author.
529
00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:53,340
Peter Kenneth Ryan's fascination with
violent death and criminology was
530
00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:57,620
discovered in the forgotten stacks of
old magazines and paperbacks in his
531
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:58,620
latchkey home.
532
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,560
He devoured every book, every article,
and became more than just a devoted
533
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,219
reader of the genre. Before long, he was
consumed with a criminal mind.
534
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,840
all things morbid, all things evil.
535
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,060
His obsession led him to study
investigative journalism and photography
536
00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:18,239
University of Connecticut.
537
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:22,980
He quickly made himself known and earned
a reputation as a talented young go
538
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:28,900
-getter. Ryan, alias Dant, networked,
met all the right people, and always
539
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:33,719
managed to be in the right place at the
right time. He was on the fast track to
540
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,719
success.
541
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:39,810
Through alumni connections, Ryan stepped
off the graduation podium and into a
542
00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:42,650
highly coveted job at a major
metropolitan newspaper.
543
00:34:42,969 --> 00:34:47,489
He started with minor assignments, but
it wasn't long before Ryan made a name
544
00:34:47,489 --> 00:34:48,388
for himself.
545
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:53,909
His scoop, Bribery on the Docks, done on
his own time, his own way.
546
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,560
won Ryan the coveted National Press
Photographers Association Award and a
547
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,200
York Photojournalist Association tribute
at the tender age of 22.
548
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:09,800
With his very next story, Ryan's stock
went through the roof. His in -depth
549
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:16,280
Junkies in City Hall expose landed him
the opportunity he had always dreamed
550
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,880
a substantial advance to write his dream
book.
551
00:35:20,350 --> 00:35:24,570
a concept the publisher had rejected
just one year earlier.
552
00:35:25,090 --> 00:35:30,070
His sample chapter for the life and
killings of the old leather man promised
553
00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:33,890
book as revolutionary as Truman Capote's
In Cold Blood.
554
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:39,750
Yes, Peter Kenneth Ryan hit the point in
his career where the world was his
555
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:45,590
golden apple, ripe for the taking, but
something in his character was about to
556
00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:51,380
spoil it all. Instead of taking a bite
out of that apple, Ryan chose instead to
557
00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:58,000
become the worm inside it. Instead of
writing and researching, Ryan slash Dant
558
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,200
spent his entire advance on four
decadent months traveling the world with
559
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,420
then -girlfriend. From Las Vegas to
Mardi Gras to the Hawaiian Islands, it
560
00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:11,720
wasn't long before all of the advance
money was spent.
561
00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:17,570
Piecing his book together at the last
minute, Ryan plagiarized entire chapters
562
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:21,010
from his collection of vintage true
crime books and magazines.
563
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:26,750
He fictionalized people, concocted
interviews, fabricated evidence, and
564
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:29,750
falsified reports, all to meet his
deadline.
565
00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:35,030
In the end, Ryan's editor discovered the
truth, but not before the book went to
566
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:37,870
press, costing the publisher a small
fortune.
567
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:40,350
Now jobless and disgraced.
568
00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:45,230
Word spread throughout the industry, and
the name Peter Kenneth Ryan became
569
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:51,350
synonymous with sleaze. But our tale
doesn't end there, and neither does the
570
00:36:51,350 --> 00:36:56,890
sleaze. In his desperate decline into
filth and debauchery, Peter Kenneth Ryan
571
00:36:56,890 --> 00:37:02,730
rejected everything that he had once
held sacred. The last thing to go, his
572
00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:06,970
identity. His journalistic integrity
long gone.
573
00:37:07,390 --> 00:37:11,570
Ryan managed to pull himself out of the
hole he had dug, legally changed his
574
00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:16,870
name to Billy Dent, and landed a job at
a celebrity -stalking tabloid weekly.
575
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:23,750
Dent, a new man, attacked his job with a
zealousness never before seen, even in
576
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:28,430
an industry notorious for its great lack
of moral and ethical fiber.
577
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:34,630
Billy Dent, formerly Peter Kenneth Ryan,
a life with so much potential.
578
00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:40,950
Gone down a road so wrong, it could do
nothing less than rise up and slap him
579
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:41,950
the face.
580
00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:44,830
So, will you give us an interview?
581
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:47,470
Ah.
582
00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:50,850
Will it get you off my back?
583
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:52,650
I promise.
584
00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:56,510
Come on, Mark said it.
585
00:37:57,190 --> 00:38:01,590
What is it with this guerrilla
filmmaking shit? I mean, it's still 90s,
586
00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:03,010
Okay, well then we'll do it your way.
587
00:38:03,550 --> 00:38:04,550
Tell us where and when.
588
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:08,070
All right, I'll do it. Just turn off the
fucking camera.
589
00:38:08,290 --> 00:38:09,870
I was pushing all the right buttons.
590
00:38:10,570 --> 00:38:14,110
Told Dan the truth the way he wanted to
hear it. I mean, even after we accosted
591
00:38:14,110 --> 00:38:20,050
him for two days running, all I had to
do was offer him the limelight. You
592
00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:21,490
give him his own personal forum.
593
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:24,150
Of course he was going to agree to the
interview.
594
00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:29,110
It was great, man. He's all like, shut
that camera off. And I'm like, you
595
00:38:29,110 --> 00:38:30,370
touched my camera again?
596
00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:33,110
You're dead. You're messing my camera.
You're messing with me.
597
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,020
And I was going to get to shoot Dan like
nothing ever happened before. You know
598
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:38,020
what I mean? Like, whoa.
599
00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:40,460
Whoa.
600
00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:45,340
There was some conflict over the footage
we'd shot. I thought it was coming
601
00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:50,720
together nicely. But after we showed our
digital dailies to Madsen, he told us
602
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,300
he wanted us to take it to the next
level.
603
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:57,360
I didn't feel good about the next level.
Yeah, Mikey gave us the big guns.
604
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,140
Madsen had hired a private detective.
605
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,100
So from the beginning, we had a file
about two inches thick on Dance. Now
606
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,060
remember, at this point, Dance had no
idea that this was Mr.
607
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:09,300
Madsen's show.
608
00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:13,040
That poor man, he didn't stand a chance.
609
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,640
Dex, is the second camera locked on?
610
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,819
Yeah, we're good to go.
611
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:17,820
Okay.
612
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,800
Are you ready, Mr. Dance?
613
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:21,280
Yeah, how's my lighting?
614
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,600
That's perfect.
615
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:27,040
So, when did you first become interested
in photojournalism?
616
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,360
Um...
617
00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:34,260
One Christmas, when I was 10, my father
gave me his old brownie.
618
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:35,740
What's a brownie?
619
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,700
It's an old box camera.
620
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:40,880
You had to look down into the
viewfinder.
621
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,120
Didn't really work, but it helped me
with framing, you know, the basics of
622
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,600
seeing, of looking through a lens.
623
00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:50,080
And that was the beginning for you?
624
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Yeah. Then I got an Instamatic, and I
would run around the neighborhood taking
625
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,460
pictures, getting people mad at me.
626
00:39:58,330 --> 00:39:59,810
Why did they get mad at you?
627
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:04,870
I took pictures at inappropriate times,
or at least they thought it was
628
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:06,570
inappropriate. How inappropriate?
629
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:14,490
I would, you know, sneak in on my father
in the john while he was shaving or my
630
00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:15,790
mom while she was doing her hair.
631
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:19,470
Little moments that weren't supposed to
be preserved for popularity.
632
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:21,770
And you liked doing this?
633
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:23,210
Yeah, it was fun.
634
00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:24,370
You know, kid stuff.
635
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:26,570
Getting people mad at you was fun.
636
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:29,980
Yeah, it was innocent.
637
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:31,800
Like I said, good stuff, really.
638
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,200
No big deal.
639
00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:39,000
So you began to feel like that camera
gave you license to be anywhere.
640
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,360
No, not really.
641
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,180
You know, it was exciting.
642
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,400
When I was 11 years old, I had an early
picture of a burning house printed in
643
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,400
local newspaper.
644
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,460
And you took pride in that.
645
00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:57,240
Absolutely. But didn't you get into
trouble for going where you weren't
646
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,240
to go?
647
00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:01,290
Sometimes. But I didn't really care, you
know.
648
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:06,070
It was like, I felt like a real roving
reporter. If you're not looking for the
649
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:09,230
news, you're not going to find it. And
all this was when you were still Peter
650
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:10,230
Kenneth Ryan.
651
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:14,090
It's no secret that I changed my name.
652
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:16,730
But I'm not going to talk about why.
653
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:18,990
It's all behind me now.
654
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:21,550
Okay.
655
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:23,710
So let's keep talking about your
childhood.
656
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:25,690
Peter Kenneth Ryan is...
657
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,120
somewhat legendary in his hometown.
658
00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:32,020
Does the name Agnes Ripplehorn mean
anything to you?
659
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:33,940
Who?
660
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,160
Agnes Ripplehorn. She was a friend of
your parents. You mowed her lawn.
661
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Her husband was a... He owned a local
grocery store.
662
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,560
Right, right. What about her? As a
teenager, weren't you caught taking
663
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,900
inappropriate pictures of Mrs.
Ripplehorn?
664
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,360
I wouldn't call them inappropriate.
665
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,360
Every kid in town admired her. I just
took some...
666
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,000
You know, really good pictures of her.
She was a beautiful woman. I'm not your
667
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
average housewife.
668
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,700
But didn't you take those pictures
without her permission?
669
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:07,360
Who'd you hear this from? I mean, as a
matter of fact, weren't these pictures
670
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,120
taken while she was in the privacy of
her own home, behind closed doors? I
671
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:15,220
weren't you peeking through her windows,
taking dirty pictures?
672
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:18,780
There were no dirty pictures. I took
some pictures while she was hanging
673
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:21,480
laundry. I mean, sure, she was wearing a
nice...
674
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:26,290
Light summer dress and I may have
favored certain angles, but I was a
675
00:42:26,530 --> 00:42:27,530
I mean it was typical.
676
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:28,850
Do you mean these pictures?
677
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:35,930
Where'd you get these and these are
beautiful right the same place we got
678
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:34,830
I bet you like this one, don't you?
679
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:38,070
Is that your only response to these
photographs?
680
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:41,890
The whole thing was blown way out of
proportion.
681
00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:48,210
You know, but if I did a background
check on you, I bet you I'd find
682
00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:50,450
lot like that or worse. So you did take
those pictures?
683
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:57,390
You're regular Mike Wallace over there.
How much money did you get from your
684
00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:59,330
classmates for selling those pictures?
685
00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:03,560
You were a documentary filmmaker, not an
investigative reporter.
686
00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:06,260
What do you consider yourself to be? A
paparazzo?
687
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:09,600
A voyeur? A stalker? I'm a photographer.
688
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:12,020
A photojournalist.
689
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,280
If celebrities want a private life, then
they shouldn't become famous in the
690
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,280
first place.
691
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,020
It just kills me.
692
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,020
I didn't create this system.
693
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:24,720
But I'm smart enough to know that these
celebrities wouldn't last ten seconds
694
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:25,720
without it.
695
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,020
They all fight tooth and nail to make
it. And on the way up, if they get...
696
00:44:30,190 --> 00:44:34,030
Their picture are mentioned in the back
of some rag doing a bit part in some
697
00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:35,970
crappy play and they're fucking beside
themselves.
698
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:41,030
But once they hit the big time, then
they're all private and they don't owe
699
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:42,030
anybody anything.
700
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:43,710
Everything's changed.
701
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:45,250
That's bullshit.
702
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:49,710
Is it true you're responsible for the
death of your prom date, Sally Folsom,
703
00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:53,390
was killed while you were behind the
wheel driving intoxicated? You need to
704
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:54,930
your facts straight because that was an
accident.
705
00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:11,660
Pete, hurry up, man. Go faster.
706
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:14,140
Hey, Pete,
707
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,860
give me a hit on that.
708
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,240
Look out!
709
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,100
Is it true that you were responsible for
Sally Fulton's death or not? No, it's
710
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,240
not. Well, according to the police
report, your alcohol blood level was
711
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,320
Turn the camera off.
712
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,840
Don't move your shit, man. The interview
is over. Okay.
713
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:35,760
Susan! Security! Get security in here,
please!
714
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000
I have motives.
715
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Clear my name.
716
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:40,770
Get my career back on track.
717
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:46,090
If you read something enough times, you
start to believe it. It's that simple.
718
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:49,530
Dance, yellow journalism infected my
career.
719
00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:51,410
It hurt us greatly.
720
00:45:52,570 --> 00:45:55,430
Flow of jobs reduced.
721
00:45:55,770 --> 00:45:56,770
I mean, really.
722
00:45:57,150 --> 00:46:02,590
Who wants to go into a theater and pay
eight bucks to watch some guy who you
723
00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:03,790
think killed somebody?
724
00:46:04,070 --> 00:46:05,069
Were we angry?
725
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:06,070
Absolutely.
726
00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:08,970
Were we surprised?
727
00:46:09,590 --> 00:46:10,590
Not really.
728
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:17,670
I've known Michael since before he was
born. And it's just not
729
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:24,370
possible that this boy, this man I know,
could ever have
730
00:46:24,370 --> 00:46:29,550
raised his hand to harm another person.
And I don't really know why they're
731
00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:30,529
going after Michael.
732
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:32,750
Except maybe they've seen too many of
his movies.
733
00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:38,150
You know, they might think he really is
a guy that could cut off some cop's ear
734
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:41,670
and throw him in the trunk. I think
because I've played a lot of characters
735
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:48,450
are rather nefarious, I think
736
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:53,270
maybe, you know, people sometimes think
I'm really that way. They think I must
737
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:54,270
be that guy.
738
00:46:54,430 --> 00:47:00,830
Michael has been perfecting that persona
of bad boy since he was 12.
739
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,780
It's just, you know, it's not... Michael
and I really don't speak.
740
00:47:08,220 --> 00:47:11,040
Revenge, that's one of my motives for
sure.
741
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,800
And, I mean, really, what's wrong with
that?
742
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,280
Why do you think Michael was acting that
way?
743
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:18,560
It was righteous indignation.
744
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,420
He didn't feel ashamed.
745
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:25,460
And his response was completely natural,
considering all the outrageousness of
746
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:28,400
the bull that Dant wrote and that he
published.
747
00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:33,170
I think when anybody is attacked... in
the way that Michael has been in the
748
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:34,390
press by Dan.
749
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:37,530
I think most of us would do the same.
750
00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:40,230
Today, nobody cares about the truth.
751
00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:42,490
Everything is spin.
752
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:44,530
They don't care who they take out.
753
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:48,230
It's next week, it's another guy. They
really don't care.
754
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:51,790
They have to sell their newspapers.
755
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:56,690
I think the most important thing in life
is to tell the truth and to be able to
756
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:57,850
put your head on your pillow at night.
757
00:47:58,530 --> 00:48:02,620
Sam Peckinpah used to say, I want to
enter my house justified.
758
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,380
You can walk through the door of your
house and you know you've done your best
759
00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:09,700
and you know you've given the world your
best shot.
760
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:12,900
Enter your house justified.
761
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,960
I think Sam said it better than I could.
762
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:19,420
I know you mad because we both committed
the same crime.
763
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:28,390
That's what it's all about, that
camaraderie, friends, making a
764
00:49:30,190 --> 00:49:35,810
I mean, we were friends, but I probably
shouldn't be surprised that's changed
765
00:49:35,810 --> 00:49:36,810
now.
766
00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:38,650
I mean,
767
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,440
Dexter.
768
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:46,460
Dexter.
769
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,780
All right, settle down, Dexter.
770
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,240
She has red hair just like you. Can you
get the mic off? Can you get the mic
771
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:10,240
off?
772
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,940
I'm so glad I woke up.
773
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:12,519
I'm so glad I woke up.
774
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,640
I'm so glad I woke up. You want some
coffee or something?
775
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000
No.
776
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,200
I gotta go take a shower.
777
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:25,080
It's that glare down there.
778
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,680
Are you guys seeing what I'm hearing?
What? What's going on? What is that in
779
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,680
that van?
780
00:50:30,299 --> 00:50:31,700
I'm going in. I'm going in.
781
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,760
Mark,
782
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:41,380
what did I say about coming to
783
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:42,299
my house?
784
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:43,580
Huh? Huh?
785
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,520
Pick up your camera, bitch.
786
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:49,020
Are you crazy?
787
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,560
I'm fucking filming you. What are your
fucking problems?
788
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,700
Get out of here. You're going to get
hurt. Come on. You're going to get
789
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,920
up. I'm going to let your girlfriend
protect you. You're going to love this.
790
00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:00,390
Love it. Madsen?
791
00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:02,390
You working for Madsen?
792
00:51:02,590 --> 00:51:03,590
Aw. Huh?
793
00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:05,170
Hope. Please.
794
00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:11,770
It was Dexter who spilled the beans
about Mr. Madsen.
795
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:16,330
That whole baseball bat incident, it was
absurd.
796
00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:21,550
Any doubts I had about this project were
completely confirmed.
797
00:51:22,610 --> 00:51:23,870
That's when I should have gotten out.
798
00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:25,070
What a dick, man.
799
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:28,390
But I didn't. Like a billion car, man.
It's like a girl car.
800
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:31,700
I've been in there all day.
801
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,640
Lunch!
802
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:36,640
About time, bitch!
803
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Take it!
804
00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:42,900
I can't believe that dickhead has a
corner office.
805
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:45,100
I don't think it's coming out.
806
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,340
What is it?
807
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,440
Not that I rely on Nazi rationalizations
or anything, but I
808
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,120
really was only doing my job.
809
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:18,820
I admit, more now than then, so I'm not
conveniently revising history or
810
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:19,820
anything, but...
811
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,060
Yeah. I knew we were crossing ethical
lines.
812
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,520
But I had to keep everything and
everyone focused.
813
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:36,140
And sometimes with a small crew like
this, the lines get blurred, those guys
814
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,040
forget. I'm the director.
815
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,340
Whoa! I see the pussy's got a new
camera.
816
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:45,500
I'll bring my bat to work from now on.
817
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,360
You can't stop us, Dan.
818
00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:48,840
Yeah, the restraining order's on its
way.
819
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,120
Thank you.
820
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:53,620
He does his own stunt. Fuck you,
motherfucker.
821
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,660
Have a great day.
822
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,360
I mean, they're all pussies, man.
Pissing and moaning.
823
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,600
They had no idea what I was talking
about. You know, like being in the film,
824
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,440
living the film, becoming the film.
825
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,580
I mean, that's the road I was going
down, man. You know, that's pure.
826
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,080
That's what I believe in.
827
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,440
And this was bigger than the holier
-than -thou Jackie agenda or Mark's
828
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,680
intellectuals -only club.
829
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,860
You know, I say, if you don't let the
film take over, you're a fraud, man.
830
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,440
You want to say something? What?
831
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,340
I'm sorry. I felt like... That chick was
still in there.
832
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:32,800
In your dreams.
833
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:35,780
Joe? You wish.
834
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:38,260
He's a bot.
835
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,520
He never comes out to play again.
836
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:48,040
Mark, what are you doing?
837
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,380
I got a hotspot. I'm just checking
email.
838
00:53:50,940 --> 00:53:54,040
All right, well, it's your turn to get
the food. Okay, what do you want? I'll
839
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,180
in. You guys just sit tight.
840
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,320
Fiji water.
841
00:53:57,980 --> 00:53:58,980
Okay. Please.
842
00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:00,260
Jack?
843
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:07,160
Some cupcake and some saco. I'm tired.
844
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,440
Okay.
845
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:10,880
Oh, and some orange juice.
846
00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:12,660
What? For breakfast.
847
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,660
Fine. Vitamin C, right?
848
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:19,580
Right.
849
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:24,210
Mark. I took my email, I got hotspot.
850
00:54:59,799 --> 00:55:01,620
I wish we would have done this sooner.
851
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:05,020
Yeah, we've never been single at the
same time.
852
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,960
The kids?
853
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,040
The kids got blown way out of
proportion.
854
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:22,690
It hurts that Mark did that, especially
since we've been friends for a really
855
00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:23,690
long time.
856
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:28,490
I felt like he did that at my expense,
even though I know he was just trying to
857
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:29,490
get back at Dexter.
858
00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:31,930
I'm not embarrassed by it.
859
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:36,450
But it was an invasion of my privacy,
especially since all the shows and
860
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:38,210
magazines made such a big deal out of
it.
861
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:40,810
It was nothing.
862
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:43,390
Really.
863
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:45,610
It was nothing.
864
00:55:47,170 --> 00:55:48,250
It was a moment.
865
00:55:48,590 --> 00:55:49,810
I mean, that whole thing, you know?
866
00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:54,510
I mean, I don't know. Jackie could be
condescending sometimes, but she's a
867
00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:55,510
hottie, man. No doubt.
868
00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:57,490
I mean, I like her. I do. She's cool.
869
00:56:01,230 --> 00:56:04,770
Hey, man, she's doing great now after
all this, and that makes me really
870
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:12,070
Like so many things dealing with art and
expression, you can never tell where
871
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:14,530
things are going to go. You can never
tell what path they're going to take.
872
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:16,350
This is why I decided.
873
00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:21,280
to include more of the Hollywood Three
than I originally intended.
874
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,560
They became the story as much as Dant
did.
875
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,220
To quote my friend, Dexter Hilt, life
imitates art and art imitates life.
876
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:37,380
Billy, Billy, Billy Dant was imitating a
celebrity.
877
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,960
That's the norm, I guess, for a lot of
the paparazzi. They think if they rub
878
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,580
elbows enough with these people that
it's gonna...
879
00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:48,670
Turn them into a celebrity, like,
through some kind of osmosis or
880
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:51,090
Life imitates art.
881
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:54,830
It almost seems written.
882
00:56:58,170 --> 00:57:00,050
Get in, all right? Deck three, you in?
Okay.
883
00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:01,610
Jackie, get in. Give me that. Right.
884
00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:04,850
Come on, get in quickly. Now, get the
door. Okay. Get the door.
885
00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:07,730
Okay.
886
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:08,970
All right.
887
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:10,460
Dexter, keep tape rolling.
888
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,560
It is like I cut it. Okay, now get a
shot of me.
889
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,960
Get a shot of me. You got me? Okay, now
listen. First, this is what I want to
890
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,040
do. I want to get this all on tape right
now before we forget anything. I want
891
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,000
an immediate document from all of us of
what just happened. You got him, Dick?
892
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:25,880
After yesterday, I thought he wouldn't
have shown his face for a while.
893
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,360
I wonder who he's stalking.
894
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:36,760
Dexter, what's happening?
895
00:57:37,530 --> 00:57:40,870
What is he doing? He's walking the limo
driver, I think.
896
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:44,030
What? Yeah, he's walking the limo.
897
00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:50,110
This was not our fault. Right. Yeah.
Video document is to prove that. Okay,
898
00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:51,110
is what happened.
899
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:56,450
Okay. Dan, he gets out of his car to
chase Paige Davis. We jump out of the
900
00:57:56,550 --> 00:57:57,990
We approach him. He sees us.
901
00:57:58,190 --> 00:58:02,110
He has a fit. He plows through us to get
back to his car. He's upset because
902
00:58:02,110 --> 00:58:05,750
we're there. So he takes off in his car
down.
903
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,500
The driveway and runs are over, right?
904
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:09,780
Does Chad have something?
905
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:13,820
Oh, yeah.
906
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,240
Oh, yeah.
907
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,820
Yeah. Without my friends, is it payoff?
908
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:20,220
Unbelievable.
909
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,180
Oh, this must be really big. Stay sharp.
910
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,520
Stay sharp.
911
00:58:33,940 --> 00:58:35,120
Where's the driver going?
912
00:58:36,779 --> 00:58:37,779
Hey, y 'all.
913
00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:40,420
Oh, he's going. He's going. He's going.
914
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:44,340
That's not what happened. Dexter got in
Dan's sweat. That is not what I saw.
915
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,200
Dan, it's the one who hit her. No, you
weren't even looking that way. I was.
916
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:50,040
We all saw the same thing. Yeah, but
some of us had our eyes open. Yo, I had
917
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,900
lens on. It's everything you're both
saying. It's all bullshit anyway. All I
918
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:55,200
do is look at the tape. That's what
people are going to believe.
919
00:58:56,980 --> 00:58:57,980
Isn't that Paige Davis?
920
00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:00,100
I don't know. I can't tell. I don't
think so. Yeah, it's her.
921
00:59:00,380 --> 00:59:01,400
Keep up, Dex. Come on.
922
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:06,410
Oh my god, nose job, nose job.
923
00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:09,230
Hey! Get out of here, man!
924
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:12,130
Get out of here, please! How did you
know that this David was here? Shut up!
925
00:59:12,490 --> 00:59:14,190
That's his clinic. It's his clinic. Get
out of my face!
926
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:17,890
What are you telling me? Is this the
limo driver? You assholes are messing
927
00:59:17,890 --> 00:59:19,410
my money now! You understand that?
928
00:59:20,350 --> 00:59:22,690
Put the camera down!
929
00:59:23,050 --> 00:59:24,690
Fine! Put it down!
930
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:26,590
Shut the fuck up!
931
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:28,350
God damn it!
932
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:30,310
I'm putting the camera down!
933
00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:31,590
Just relax!
934
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:33,190
God damn it!
935
00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:38,410
How did you get it? We had an effect on
the outcome.
936
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:43,030
Bullshit! If we were never there, if we
were never taping, none of this would
937
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:45,570
have happened. Of course it would have.
Dan would have still been there. I mean,
938
00:59:45,610 --> 00:59:48,190
uh, Paige Davis would have still come
out and tell things. Whatever!
939
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:51,890
Okay, Dan is going to tell the police it
was our fault. Oh, no, this is Dan.
940
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:56,130
Can you tell me, is this your definition
of journalist marketing? Do you have
941
00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:58,130
anything better to do? Driving? Do
something else!
942
00:59:58,450 --> 00:59:59,450
Lead me away!
943
01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:02,420
Please, take all the photos you want,
Mr. Dan. Sure, of course.
944
01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:06,180
Tell me, is the Lord involved or not for
you in this fantastic journalism?
945
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:08,100
I know what to do.
946
01:00:08,620 --> 01:00:11,700
The only way that we're going to
guarantee that it will be a dance floor
947
01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:13,380
ours is to erase the tape.
948
01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:15,140
What? Are you kidding me?
949
01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:18,560
This stuff is gold. Are you talking
about erasing the tape? I mean...
950
01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:23,500
How many times, seriously, how many
times has someone been on the scene of a
951
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:26,860
major accident with a major celebrity
and gotten it all on tape? Get out of
952
01:00:26,860 --> 01:00:27,860
way! One more question.
953
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,920
Can you tell me?
954
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,640
Fucking asshole!
955
01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:33,220
Shit!
956
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:37,560
I said, sir, are you all right? Yeah.
Oh, my God. I'm sorry.
957
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:41,740
I'm sorry. Are you all right?
958
01:00:42,220 --> 01:00:46,200
Where the fuck were you? Now you want to
help me, you fucking dick!
959
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,420
God damn it!
960
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:48,960
Did somebody call me?
961
01:00:55,150 --> 01:01:00,290
We are giving the tape to the police.
No. Are you guys fucking crazy? I mean,
962
01:01:00,330 --> 01:01:04,610
seriously. Erase the tape. Give it to
the police. We can make a killing here,
963
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:06,110
man. I mean, seriously.
964
01:01:06,450 --> 01:01:09,510
Abe Zabruder, for Christ's sake. Abe
fucking Zabruder. You think you're
965
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:12,790
overstating it a lot? That is totally
unadulterated exploitation.
966
01:01:13,570 --> 01:01:17,590
No shit. Shut up. Shut up. We're erasing
the tape.
967
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:20,710
Here I was coming out of a doctor's
office.
968
01:01:22,510 --> 01:01:25,570
Silly, it happened, playing volleyball
while vacationing with family.
969
01:01:27,110 --> 01:01:32,470
Suddenly, Billy Dan is all over me, and
the next thing I know, I'm bounced off
970
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:33,530
the hood of his car.
971
01:01:34,310 --> 01:01:38,530
We argued about it for hours, but we
kept going in circles.
972
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:43,710
The only thing we could agree on was to
stay hidden and keep the footage under
973
01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:45,270
wraps until a decision was reached.
974
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:50,810
I should have known that something was
fundamentally wrong with the universe.
975
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,100
When it was Dexter who came up with the
idea to give it until morning and not
976
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:57,640
make any rash decisions.
977
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,960
We were supposed to meet up, Jackie,
Dexter, and I, the next morning.
978
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,580
But Dexter never showed.
979
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,920
And the next thing I know, the Paige
Davis footage is all over the news.
980
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,740
Reports on the radio everywhere.
981
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:11,800
My phone started ringing off the hook.
982
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:16,160
Yeah, I thought Dexter had given
everything to the press. You know, a
983
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,500
buck. But then...
984
01:02:19,259 --> 01:02:22,800
Later, I found out that he had given
everything to Madsen.
985
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:28,960
The first thing I did was call my
lawyer.
986
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,020
After I got hit by Billy Dant, I got
flowers from Michael.
987
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:36,920
And, you know, he paid all my hospital
bills.
988
01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:40,940
He came to visit. He told me the role he
had played in this whole thing. I told
989
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:42,040
him it wasn't his fault.
990
01:02:42,340 --> 01:02:45,040
But he felt responsible, and he wanted
to make things right.
991
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,940
He was so nice and upfront about what
he's trying to do, not just for himself,
992
01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:52,680
but for all of us.
993
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,000
Celebrities, I mean.
994
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,000
That was all for, you know, keeping it
real. I mean, to me, the whole point of
995
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,580
documenting something is so someone else
can see it, you know?
996
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,680
So I don't know what they're complaining
about. Not only was this the biggest
997
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,440
story of the year, it was the most
publicity any of us ever got.
998
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,400
So I'm glad Michael released the footage
to the press. It's like, go.
999
01:03:13,540 --> 01:03:15,060
You know, I think in the future,
1000
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,500
As much as for the roles he's played,
Michael will be remembered for what he
1001
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:21,940
for all of us in the public eye.
1002
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,940
Welcome back to the 411 and TV Guide
Channel's year -end look -back special.
1003
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:28,940
Madison McDowell.
1004
01:03:29,340 --> 01:03:34,200
Fireworks usually only come on the 4th
of July, but the explosion started in
1005
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,760
for Hollywood veteran Michael Madsen.
1006
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,100
That's when he turned the tables on
celebrity scandal hound Billy Dance in
1007
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:45,200
infamous Madsen the Murderer story.
1008
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:50,580
Losing his day in court and the battle
of public opinion, Madsen decided he had
1009
01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:54,700
nothing left to lose by bringing the
fight to Dance's doorstep, literally.
1010
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,600
Discovering the talent behind the award
-winning film fest favorite Deadly
1011
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:05,760
Veneer, Madsen hired his own dream team
of three tireless documentarians to fix
1012
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,060
their aim squarely on Billy Dance's
life, love, and trouble.
1013
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:15,400
The result, the overnight celebrity of
the trio now known collectively as the
1014
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,660
Hollywood Three, Mark Pollard, Jackie
Stark, and Dexter Hilt.
1015
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:25,150
The dramatic turn of events that shot
the three, Madsen and Billy Dan, deep
1016
01:04:25,150 --> 01:04:29,590
scandal and superstardom? On May 26th,
Cade Davidson, the hit show Trading
1017
01:04:29,590 --> 01:04:33,590
Spaces, had more than a volleyball
injury to contend with.
1018
01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:39,390
As seen in this now legendary footage,
Dan's attempt to photograph Davidson was
1019
01:04:39,390 --> 01:04:41,510
undone by the Hollywood Three.
1020
01:04:42,130 --> 01:04:47,150
That's when the crazed paparazzo used
his car as a weapon to get his second
1021
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:48,150
photo op.
1022
01:04:48,220 --> 01:04:52,820
Dant was arrested, tried, and convicted
of reckless endangerment and assault.
1023
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:58,480
In a case that defines Swiss just
desserts, Dant was sentenced to three
1024
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,720
a correctional facility on August 22nd.
But this story was just getting started
1025
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,100
for the Hollywood Three. With the buzz
surrounding Madsen's movie, working
1026
01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:13,280
title, Being Michael Madsen, and the
resulting allegations of payola between
1027
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,660
tabloids and the big studios, the press
turned its gaze.
1028
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,080
the documentarian who put Dant behind
bars.
1029
01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:24,820
In a media frenzy of biblical
proportions, the Hollywood three became
1030
01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:25,900
overnight sensation.
1031
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:31,260
But it's Michael Madsen, the man who
started it all, or should I say finished
1032
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:33,720
it, who'll definitely have the last
laugh.
1033
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:39,280
In a 411 exclusive, TV Guide Channel
discovered that a rough cut screening
1034
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,180
industry A -listers kicked off an
unprecedented bidding war between all
1035
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:45,180
major studios.
1036
01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:50,470
The winner is still undisclosed, but
rumor has it the final bid is the
1037
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:53,730
price ever paid to acquire an
independent motion picture.
1038
01:05:54,270 --> 01:05:59,370
Bootleg copies are already flooding the
market, but even this small cloud has a
1039
01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:00,690
silver lining for Madsen.
1040
01:06:00,950 --> 01:06:02,210
The critical consensus?
1041
01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:07,250
Being Michael Madsen pushes the limits
of documentary and independent
1042
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:13,210
in an unprecedented exploration of what
critics have now coined hyper -reality.
1043
01:06:13,310 --> 01:06:18,600
And I quote, Madsen's genius film goes
beyond all conventional boundaries to
1044
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,440
deconstruct cinematic artifice into a
self -creating hyper -reality as the
1045
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,360
itself becomes the film itself.
1046
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:28,260
I'm not sure what that means, but it
sounds important.
1047
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,700
All this acclaim amidst rumors that it
was actually Madsen and his people who
1048
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:33,700
leaked the bootleg.
1049
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,560
So just how many steps ahead of
everybody else is Michael Madsen?
1050
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,820
They say he's going to add footage to
his film right up to the minute before
1051
01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:44,640
official release to chronicle its own
publicity.
1052
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,040
So I wonder if this will make me a movie
star.
1053
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:51,420
For more of the 411 Watch TV Guide
Channel's exclusive interview with
1054
01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:56,160
Madsen, followed by a rare interview
with the reclusive Jackie Stark of the
1055
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:00,580
Hollywood tree. I felt it was this big,
complex thing.
1056
01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:04,650
The Paige Davis footage, should we
destroy it, give it to the authorities,
1057
01:07:04,790 --> 01:07:05,870
deliver it to Mr. Madsen?
1058
01:07:08,070 --> 01:07:09,570
Turns out it wasn't complex at all.
1059
01:07:10,990 --> 01:07:15,390
Dexter's betrayal showed us all how easy
it is to become an overnight sensation.
1060
01:07:15,850 --> 01:07:18,170
It's hard for me to believe that I am
famous.
1061
01:07:18,690 --> 01:07:21,310
It's just not something that I think
about at all.
1062
01:07:21,610 --> 01:07:26,570
The obsession with the trivial that the
public has,
1063
01:07:26,830 --> 01:07:30,170
that's what's fascinating to me.
1064
01:07:32,059 --> 01:07:37,060
And I just think, well, okay, if you
want to take these pictures, but what is
1065
01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:38,060
the value?
1066
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,040
What are you really seeing?
1067
01:07:40,740 --> 01:07:42,060
It often makes me laugh.
1068
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,300
Well, I want to be the next Doc
Fujimoto.
1069
01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:48,580
I want to be the next Roger Deakins. You
know what I mean? I want to be the
1070
01:07:48,580 --> 01:07:52,020
best. I'm not saying I'm the best. I'm
still working on my craft, and I'm going
1071
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:55,120
to get better and better. But people
feel like now because there's little
1072
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,500
digital cameras, they can make a
freaking movie. It's like you're a
1073
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:00,120
idiot. You know what I mean?
1074
01:08:00,570 --> 01:08:06,530
There's a lot to this. There's a certain
level, I think career -wise, that some
1075
01:08:06,530 --> 01:08:07,910
of the fame has helped with, definitely.
1076
01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:12,290
I just feel like fame, it's like
whatever you're hungry for, you feed on.
1077
01:08:12,790 --> 01:08:16,050
And whatever you feed on, you get hungry
for and more hungry for.
1078
01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:20,470
I don't feed on it. I think there are
plenty of people who do.
1079
01:08:20,830 --> 01:08:23,790
I don't think it serves my work.
1080
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:28,010
I'm not doing this to be famous. I don't
mind it, but...
1081
01:08:28,750 --> 01:08:32,830
It's like, this is who I am. Giving the
Paige Davis footage to Madsen was
1082
01:08:32,830 --> 01:08:34,770
definitely a brave thing to do.
1083
01:08:35,370 --> 01:08:36,470
Yeah, brave, but stupid.
1084
01:08:37,670 --> 01:08:41,410
We were fortunate to be able to become
witnesses for the prosecution and have
1085
01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:42,870
the charges against us dropped.
1086
01:08:44,529 --> 01:08:51,189
You know, I have to admit, what irks me
the most is being
1087
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:54,069
outsmarted by an idiot like Dexter.
1088
01:08:55,290 --> 01:08:58,170
Well, I've been accused of being loyal
to a fault, you know.
1089
01:08:58,860 --> 01:09:03,060
Maybe so, but all I know is Michael was
paying the bills, and Mark and Jackie.
1090
01:09:03,779 --> 01:09:07,340
You know? I didn't have some scheme
mapped out in my head, but when Mark
1091
01:09:07,340 --> 01:09:10,979
had to destroy the footage, I was like,
uh, no way, man.
1092
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:12,920
But I didn't say that out loud.
1093
01:09:13,979 --> 01:09:14,979
Something in my gut.
1094
01:09:16,180 --> 01:09:17,960
And I owed it to Michael to deliver the
goods.
1095
01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:20,738
Wouldn't you?
1096
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:21,740
No, no, no.
1097
01:09:22,180 --> 01:09:23,279
I don't blame him.
1098
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:25,920
I wouldn't give that idiot the credit.
1099
01:09:27,820 --> 01:09:28,820
Dexter's all balls.
1100
01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:30,020
No brains.
1101
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,580
He was just following orders, kissing up
to Madsen. Madsen is the one who
1102
01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:35,700
brought it all to the media.
1103
01:09:35,979 --> 01:09:37,340
I hate what we did to Billy Dan.
1104
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,800
And I hate what Dexter did to me.
1105
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:48,319
I don't even like being here right now,
talking to you. I mean, this is not how
1106
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:49,319
I envisioned my life.
1107
01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:51,460
Fame?
1108
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,479
Fame is an illusion.
1109
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:56,860
What's worse, though, is...
1110
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,820
I mean, yes, I have a career from all of
this now, and I am grateful.
1111
01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:12,000
But I... I will always be known as one
of the Hollywood Three. I will
1112
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,320
never be known for my work, just who I
am.
1113
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,560
And I don't even feel like I earned it.
1114
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,200
I was just in the wrong place at the
right time.
1115
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,200
We all got what we wanted, man.
1116
01:10:29,460 --> 01:10:32,600
I mean, Michael got me hired to shoot
all the second unit stuff on his next
1117
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,300
studio movie. And after that, I'm DPing
an indie feature financed by Lionsgate.
1118
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,320
Mark, he's doing a TV pilot, some
reality show that's going to be picked
1119
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,300
sure now that everybody knows his name.
1120
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,780
And Jackie, she's self -financing an
Eagles of the Media documentary with all
1121
01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:50,840
the money she's raked in from her
website, you know?
1122
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,080
And I don't understand e -commerce, but
I know that two million hits a month?
1123
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:59,080
There's nothing to sneeze at. So, you
know, like, hey, more power to her.
1124
01:10:59,940 --> 01:11:01,980
So really, what do any of us have to
complain about?
1125
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,020
I mean, we're lucky, man. We're all
fucking rich and famous now, right?
1126
01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:08,820
We all got lucky.
1127
01:11:11,380 --> 01:11:14,500
Lucky we didn't end up in a jail cell
right next to Billy Dan's.
1128
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,480
Well, has your conviction, your time in
prison changed you at all?
1129
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,540
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
1130
01:11:22,730 --> 01:11:26,310
I won't be taking pictures or writing
gossip when I get out.
1131
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:29,070
I'm writing a book now.
1132
01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:31,330
I'm going to tell the truth.
1133
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:35,710
See, a picture only shows one moment in
time. That proves nothing.
1134
01:11:37,090 --> 01:11:38,350
I'm going to tell the whole story.
1135
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:40,650
Beginning, middle, end.
1136
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:42,450
Show every side.
1137
01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:44,070
Give it all context.
1138
01:11:46,030 --> 01:11:50,710
God will open up the heavens and let the
chips fall where they may.
1139
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,100
See, I will not only be vindicated, I
will be triumphant.
1140
01:11:58,020 --> 01:12:02,140
And all of those that have tried and
still seek to hold me down, they will be
1141
01:12:02,140 --> 01:12:06,640
proven wrong. See, they thought they
were taking on a weakling, a man of no
1142
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:07,640
substance.
1143
01:12:07,820 --> 01:12:13,100
So though you seek to silence and
shackle me, my words will rise above the
1144
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:14,100
that oppress us all.
1145
01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:16,680
I will be the flame in the darkness.
1146
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,960
I will right the wrong.
1147
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,260
W -R -I -T -E. Right.
1148
01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:26,380
My camera used to be my weapon of
choice.
1149
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,000
Now the pen will be my sword.
1150
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:35,040
The truth will blaze across the page,
igniting the minds of all that have the
1151
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,120
courage to read my word.
1152
01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:43,020
The truth will burn into the hearts of
America, starting a fire the likes of
1153
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:44,600
which have not been seen since Rome.
1154
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,720
quaking in fear at the coming of Christ.
1155
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,900
Because my path is the path of
righteousness itself.
1156
01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:55,180
It's funny I used to be on your side
over there with the camera.
1157
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,000
But those days are done.
1158
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:03,400
We know that because of pending
litigation that we can't and you can't
1159
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,500
publication, but...
1160
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,620
Do you think that your magazine's
decision to renounce Billy Dan had a
1161
01:13:08,620 --> 01:13:12,120
on his trial and further illustrates the
inherent disloyalty in your profession?
1162
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,500
No. No, I don't think that at all. We
didn't renounce him, first of all. We
1163
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:17,960
canned his ass. His head had gotten way
too big.
1164
01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:22,200
Paige Davis, that was just icing on the
cake. And the truth is that way before
1165
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,300
this whole scandal, this guy was losing
it.
1166
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,580
He was losing it as a journalist as well
as a man. And anybody who knew him
1167
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:32,160
before knew that he was way up on that
slippery slope before he started calling
1168
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,160
himself Billy Dan.
1169
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:37,790
And on the alleged link between tabloid
journalism and the big studios, is it
1170
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:41,530
true that you receive tips on locations
and activities of celebrities? Oh,
1171
01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:44,910
that's some investigative reporting you
got going there. Who hipped you to that?
1172
01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:47,530
Listen, I'm not saying anything about
that.
1173
01:13:47,950 --> 01:13:50,650
Just know that one hand washes the
other. You know what I mean?
1174
01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:55,490
And you don't feel any guilt over
exploiting one of your former employees,
1175
01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:59,050
Dan? No, I don't feel any guilt at all.
In fact, if anything, I think it shows
1176
01:13:59,050 --> 01:14:02,970
and proves exactly how fair we are. It
shows how objective this is.
1177
01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:06,130
Oops, I guess you're going to have to
bleep that.
1178
01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:11,010
Listen, how many legitimate so -called
news agencies out there would even
1179
01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:15,610
acknowledge an association with a guy
like Dan? We did. We owned up to it. It
1180
01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:19,910
shows how fair we are. We go out for the
truth, we find it, and we report it.
1181
01:14:21,730 --> 01:14:25,870
And now, for one last surprise.
1182
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:30,670
Did you know Mr. Dan?
1183
01:14:31,450 --> 01:14:32,970
Oh, I knew Mr. Dance, yes.
1184
01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:35,490
Or did I say he knew me?
1185
01:14:36,690 --> 01:14:39,290
I was at the scene, you know, that bar
on La Brea.
1186
01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:41,030
And Mr.
1187
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:46,710
Dance heard me saying that I had met Mr.
Madsen when I was working as an
1188
01:14:46,710 --> 01:14:48,210
atmosphere artist on one of his films.
1189
01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:52,230
So Mr. Dance came over and he was
talking to me. And, you know, of course,
1190
01:14:52,230 --> 01:14:56,730
thinking he's just trying to pick me up.
But it never really went in that
1191
01:14:56,730 --> 01:14:57,730
direction.
1192
01:14:58,030 --> 01:15:01,750
So we would, you know, talk sometimes
and see each other around, and he'd
1193
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:03,850
and, you know, we'd grab coffee and
talk.
1194
01:15:05,070 --> 01:15:10,810
At that point, things were really bad
for me, money -wise.
1195
01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:17,030
I was behind on rent and bills, and I
owed people money who were nice enough
1196
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:19,430
help me out, and I just didn't know what
to do.
1197
01:15:20,030 --> 01:15:24,970
So my friend called, an old friend, and
said that she could get me a factory job
1198
01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:26,550
in Oklahoma where she was living.
1199
01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:28,690
and that I could just live in her
trailer with her.
1200
01:15:29,130 --> 01:15:32,990
So I told Mr. Dan that I was going to
go, but I didn't even have money for bus
1201
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:35,970
fare, and, well, he gave it to me.
1202
01:15:36,570 --> 01:15:38,110
No strings attached, he said.
1203
01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:41,330
Was that all he gave you? Just enough
for bus fare?
1204
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:42,910
Oh, yes, that was all.
1205
01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:47,190
But I don't understand why you would
leave all your belongings behind.
1206
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:50,710
Well, I can't take them on the bus with
me, silly.
1207
01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:54,550
Why so long for you to come forward?
1208
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,920
You have to remember, I was in a trailer
with no TV or anything.
1209
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:05,640
I mean, I had left without telling
anyone because I was so ashamed and, you
1210
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,880
know, feeling like a loser because I
hadn't made it in the movie business and
1211
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,300
owing all of those people all that money
and they trusted me and I was working
1212
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:17,740
really, really hard just trying to get
ahead and, you know, get ahead so I
1213
01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:18,740
pay everybody back.
1214
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:23,480
You have no idea how shocked I was when
I found out about Mr. Dance's trial
1215
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:25,910
and... And then I was supposed to be
dead?
1216
01:16:27,190 --> 01:16:28,890
I had to come back and make it right.
1217
01:16:29,770 --> 01:16:34,510
I mean, I can only assume that Mr. Dent
used my unfortunate circumstance to get
1218
01:16:34,510 --> 01:16:39,290
back at Mr. Madsen, and I don't think
that was a very nice thing to do.
1219
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:47,030
And as you can see, I'm alive as can be.
1220
01:16:49,130 --> 01:16:51,350
Is there anything else you might like to
say?
1221
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:58,080
Oh, I would just like to take this time
to tell you that it was an honor and a
1222
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,780
pleasure to work on this documentary.
1223
01:17:00,380 --> 01:17:04,980
And please tell Mr. Madsen that it was
an honor and a pleasure to come and
1224
01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:05,980
him all my help.
1225
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,720
And I hope he thinks about me when he
does another film.
1226
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,500
Some might say you were playing both
ends against the middle.
1227
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,320
No.
1228
01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:17,660
No.
1229
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:20,560
No, no, no.
1230
01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:30,440
So you see, everyone wins, or should I
say, everyone becomes a star.
1231
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:35,700
This is a good example of this whole
thing that's happened to me, about
1232
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:36,700
the truth come out.
1233
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,020
And I think it was pretty creative.
1234
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:42,820
But now I just want to put it all behind
me.
1235
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,200
I just want to be done with it.
1236
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:51,440
With all the problems that are in the
world right now, I mean, I mean, does it
1237
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:52,440
really matter?
1238
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,080
I guess I just feel lucky.
1239
01:17:56,219 --> 01:18:02,640
Blessed, really, to be in the business
of making people happy.
1240
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,620
When it was finally all over,
1241
01:18:45,780 --> 01:18:50,300
you know, it was still all about, you
know, Michael, Michael, Michael. You
1242
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:56,300
it's Michael world, you know. And, I
mean, I'm like, hello, who got the
1243
01:18:56,300 --> 01:18:57,300
nomination?
1244
01:19:01,980 --> 01:19:03,420
What do I want on my team still?
1245
01:19:04,420 --> 01:19:05,420
Well,
1246
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:08,340
I don't want them to write the guy from
Reservoir Dog.
1247
01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:11,660
You know, I'd like you to please tell
Mr. Madsen.
1248
01:19:12,140 --> 01:19:13,560
That I appreciate.
1249
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:15,800
Sorry.
1250
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:17,760
So close!
1251
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:25,120
I want to do this. I have to refer to my
nose. Nobody knows what I'm talking
1252
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,540
about. I mean, they sort of know, but...
I know it's better.
1253
01:19:32,260 --> 01:19:33,260
See,
1254
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,580
it works so much better now.
1255
01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:38,160
What's your take on children?
1256
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:41,600
On what?
1257
01:19:41,690 --> 01:19:42,690
Children?
1258
01:19:43,890 --> 01:19:44,890
They're little.
1259
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:46,430
Good night.
1260
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:48,990
Let's get some beds in here.
1261
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:52,030
Can I do the whole thing in a bed?
1262
01:19:53,490 --> 01:19:57,790
Give me a bed. Let's start from the
beginning and reshoot the whole fucking
1263
01:19:57,790 --> 01:19:58,790
thing in a bed.
1264
01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:07,890
Are you done?
1265
01:20:08,490 --> 01:20:10,570
Whatever that low -life daint gift,
1266
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:12,850
He deserves.
1267
01:20:14,610 --> 01:20:15,610
Dan. Dan.
1268
01:20:17,790 --> 01:20:19,490
Whatever that lowlife Dan gets.
1269
01:20:25,570 --> 01:20:27,450
Sorry, man, I've got an itch on my
taint.
1270
01:20:28,430 --> 01:20:34,070
You know, I think the rags, I think we
call them, I guess they got their place
1271
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:35,850
because I know a lot of people are
reading them.
1272
01:20:37,150 --> 01:20:40,430
Without them, we wouldn't have had Men
in Black.
1273
01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:46,480
You know, all the stories about two
-headed babies and creatures from outer
1274
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:47,480
space.
1275
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,600
And, you know, Michael is a creature
from outer space, that's for sure.
1276
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,740
I don't want any blue M &Ms on the set.
1277
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:55,900
I'm going to leave.
1278
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,680
I want my dog in the shot.
1279
01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:04,140
I want everyone to wear green shirts or
I'm leaving.
1280
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,900
I want everyone to wear turbans.
1281
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,000
Everyone has to wear turbans tomorrow.
1282
01:21:11,850 --> 01:21:13,350
But mine had a jewel on it.
1283
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:16,290
Hang on. Just a minute.
1284
01:21:22,710 --> 01:21:23,810
Constantly with the texting.
1285
01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:28,110
Oh, embarrassing.
1286
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:29,470
The texting.
1287
01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:32,070
Fuck off.
1288
01:21:32,350 --> 01:21:36,270
There's a little joke this guy had on
his answering machine. He said, ladies
1289
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:37,430
gentlemen, the tale of wisdom.
1290
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:40,590
The devil and his brand were approaching
the village.
1291
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,420
Up ahead, the devil's friend saw a
villager pick up a piece of truth.
1292
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:48,900
He looked at the devil and said, did you
see that? I saw it.
1293
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:54,380
The devil said, they just picked up a
piece of truth. Isn't that bad for you?
1294
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,440
And the devil said, oh no, I'm going to
help him organize it.
1295
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,560
So we got religion.
1296
01:22:02,660 --> 01:22:05,820
And I don't know what kind of toilet
paper Paul Newman uses, but that is the
1297
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:06,779
problem today.
1298
01:22:06,780 --> 01:22:09,140
We know too much about it. Nobody knew
whatever it was.
1299
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,340
Things that Gloria Swanson used in Betty
Davis. It was the mystery of it all.
1300
01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:19,360
You should be filming this. The original
intent, I felt, was a deconstruction of
1301
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,340
the whole patriarchal system that
allowed for exploitative existence of
1302
01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:24,480
paparazzi in the first place.
1303
01:22:24,940 --> 01:22:30,540
What did I say, exploitative? I'm not
the type to get all starstruck, but,
1304
01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:32,960
All right.
1305
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:38,780
I'm not the type to get all starstruck,
but I have to admit, uh... What the
1306
01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:44,820
fuck? The original intent, I felt, was a
deconstruction of the whole patriarchal
1307
01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:49,340
system that allows for exploitative
existence of the... Fuck. Giving the
1308
01:22:49,340 --> 01:22:52,720
Davis footage to Madsen was definitely a
brave thing to do.
1309
01:22:53,380 --> 01:22:54,600
Brave but stupid.
1310
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,820
We were fortunate.
1311
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:04,980
The original intent, I felt, was a
deconstruction of the whole patriarchal
1312
01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:08,000
system that allows for exploitative...
Fuck me.
1313
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,700
Documentary? At the end of the day,
documentary filmmaking hardly pays...
1314
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:18,540
The original intent, I felt, was a
deconstruction of the whole
1315
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:23,780
patriarchal system that allows for the
exploitative existence...
1316
01:23:23,780 --> 01:23:28,620
I feel like I'm on a fucking blooper.
1317
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:33,440
Do you know when I walked in here, the
first thing when I walked in for my
1318
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:38,250
interview... with the huge Res Bar Dogs
poster next to an Easy Rider poster.
1319
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:42,450
I mean, it's like, okay, the classic we
all know.
1320
01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:45,670
Oh.
1321
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:47,150
We know.
1322
01:23:50,670 --> 01:23:51,670
That's classic.
1323
01:23:56,450 --> 01:23:57,690
Here's my words of wisdom.
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