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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:28,540 Cut. 2 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Cut for a second. 3 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,280 That didn't get too far. 4 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,680 We're going again. 5 00:00:36,020 --> 00:00:37,020 Quiet, please. 6 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Rolling. 7 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:42,220 Good? Yeah. All right. Lock it up. 8 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,200 I'm not ashamed to say that I have an agenda, but my enemy has an agenda also. 9 00:01:18,340 --> 00:01:19,680 So I make no apologies. 10 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:24,420 I'm a photographer, a photojournalist. When you're fighting a good fight, 11 00:01:24,580 --> 00:01:26,740 apologies aren't necessary. 12 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:29,860 If celebrities want a private life, then they shouldn't become famous in the 13 00:01:29,860 --> 00:01:30,499 first place. 14 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:35,860 I'm not one who believes in curtailing freedom, but it seems like something 15 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:39,360 really should be done to curtail... 16 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,620 The paparazzi's behavior. 17 00:01:42,020 --> 00:01:48,780 Michael and his family and all of us have been through this awful thing. 18 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,680 All I know is my mom called me because Michael was producing another project, 19 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,420 you know. I mean, I'm trying to produce a project too. 20 00:01:57,180 --> 00:02:01,720 Michael, you know, does that with ease. And this one he wanted to do. 21 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:08,440 And I was to respond because Michael got in trouble again. My career has never 22 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,699 been driven by the paparazzi. 23 00:02:10,470 --> 00:02:11,910 It's always been driven by the work. 24 00:02:12,270 --> 00:02:15,810 Well, I didn't really have any dealings with the paparazzi before. 25 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:19,750 You know, I was in a paparazzi -free zone. 26 00:02:20,110 --> 00:02:21,850 I didn't create the system. 27 00:02:22,050 --> 00:02:25,570 But I'm smart enough to know that these celebrities wouldn't last ten seconds 28 00:02:25,570 --> 00:02:30,870 without. I'm kind of a private guy compared to people that invite cameras 29 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:35,550 their house for some kind of reality show. They all fight tooth and nail to 30 00:02:35,550 --> 00:02:37,430 it. And on the way up, if they get... 31 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:41,470 Their picture are mentioned in the back of some rag doing a bit part in some 32 00:02:41,470 --> 00:02:43,410 crappy place and they're fucking beside themselves. 33 00:02:43,790 --> 00:02:48,590 But I'm not such a private guy when it comes to publicity and interviews and 34 00:02:48,590 --> 00:02:49,790 things like that. 35 00:02:51,630 --> 00:02:54,490 But I do have things in my personal life that I need to protect. 36 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:59,470 But once they hit the big time, then they're all private and they don't owe 37 00:02:59,470 --> 00:03:00,470 anybody anything. 38 00:03:01,210 --> 00:03:02,210 Everything's changed. 39 00:03:02,730 --> 00:03:03,730 That's bullshit. 40 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:05,350 You know... 41 00:03:05,740 --> 00:03:07,820 It wasn't easy for me when I started out. 42 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,240 I was pretty green. 43 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:11,940 In fact, I didn't really know what the hell I was doing. 44 00:03:13,780 --> 00:03:18,020 But I always knew that publicity was part of the process, and I'm a process 45 00:03:18,020 --> 00:03:19,020 -oriented guy. 46 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:25,540 The truth is, you know, Michael started this machine, okay, and it snowballed 47 00:03:25,540 --> 00:03:28,080 and it built momentum just like I said it would. 48 00:03:28,820 --> 00:03:32,500 But my voice is not quite as loud as Michael's in our family. 49 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:39,200 So... You know, I sat back and I just watched the train wreck. 50 00:03:39,460 --> 00:03:40,960 I'm inspired by making films. 51 00:03:41,540 --> 00:03:48,180 And I know that press junkets and interviews and press conferences and 52 00:03:48,180 --> 00:03:52,340 appearances and autographs and things like that are, I know they're part of 53 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:55,360 whole thing. But you know what, I don't really seek out the press, whereas 54 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:02,320 Michael, there was a story in one of those rags about, like, his 55 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,320 snake. 56 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:04,680 escaping in his office. 57 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:09,000 I don't know that he really has a live snake in the office, first of all, and 58 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,540 also I know that he plays that story. 59 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,520 You know, he loves that. He loves, well, he used to. 60 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:15,260 Loves the tabloid press. 61 00:04:15,540 --> 00:04:21,300 You know, tabloid speculating on something, that's okay too, but there's 62 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:23,460 thing I can't live with. It's a flat -out lie. 63 00:04:24,340 --> 00:04:26,200 And that's why you made this documentary? 64 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,040 That's why, but I'm doing it, but... 65 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,320 I had help. 66 00:04:33,340 --> 00:04:34,400 I had a little help. 67 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:38,400 Hilt. Dexter Hilt. 68 00:04:40,460 --> 00:04:41,460 Dexter Hilt? 69 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,160 Dexter Hilt is an opportunistic, uh, a -hole. 70 00:04:47,460 --> 00:04:52,040 Yeah, I know things turned out okay for us, but it was in spite of that idiot. 71 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,120 Not because of him. I guess I can understand Dexter's desire to advance 72 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,240 career, but I never thought he would betray me. 73 00:05:01,530 --> 00:05:02,530 And Mark. 74 00:05:03,410 --> 00:05:07,050 We were a team. I mean, we weren't some unbreakable team. I mean, we did deadly 75 00:05:07,050 --> 00:05:11,930 veneer together, and yeah, I wanted... That doesn't mean we're married, you 76 00:05:11,930 --> 00:05:15,610 know? See, I got hired by Michael, sort of a package deal with Mark and Jackie. 77 00:05:17,030 --> 00:05:19,730 If that hadn't happened, any one of us were just as likely to move on to 78 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:23,050 something bigger with or without each other. My agent called me, told me that 79 00:05:23,050 --> 00:05:24,970 Michael Manson wanted to have a meeting with us. 80 00:05:26,050 --> 00:05:30,080 You know, I think he said that he said something like... Those kids that did 81 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,740 that Deadly Veneer documentary that won. 82 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:37,820 Well, that's what got me my agent. So I tried not to take offense at those kids' 83 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:44,080 comments. And I called Jack and Dexter and agreed to the meeting. Well, I'm not 84 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,820 the type to get all starstruck, but I have to admit it was pretty cool. I 85 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:47,840 Michael fucking Madsen. 86 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,140 His Malibu beach house, his producing partner. 87 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,000 I mean, plenty of beer, full spread of food. 88 00:05:55,340 --> 00:05:56,720 I mean, he had his bird. 89 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,900 and dogs and his kids running around. It was like a scene right out of the 90 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:01,360 movies, man. It was great. 91 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:05,760 It was like art imitating life, life imitating army, all that good stuff. It 92 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,740 good, man. I got into documentary filmmaking to make a difference. 93 00:06:09,340 --> 00:06:11,540 I feel that we accomplished that with Deadly Veneer. 94 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:18,240 When Mr. Madsen first pitched his concept to us to basically stalk Dance, 95 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,560 appalled. I knew that Dance had been writing those things about Mr. Madsen, 96 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,000 he supposedly murdered that woman. 97 00:06:24,930 --> 00:06:28,530 At first I thought it was Mr. Madsen's way of getting revenge, and I did not 98 00:06:28,530 --> 00:06:32,750 want any part of it. Uh, yeah, well, the three of us talked about it after we 99 00:06:32,750 --> 00:06:35,790 met with Michael, and Jackie kept saying it was nothing but revenge, but that 100 00:06:35,790 --> 00:06:38,670 didn't bother me at all. Matter of fact, I can get behind that more than 101 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:43,410 anything else. But I don't know, the more I thought about it, the more I felt 102 00:06:43,410 --> 00:06:48,470 could view both sides of the equation. We could explore, do it justice. 103 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:51,790 I was wrong. 104 00:06:52,250 --> 00:06:53,270 Michael went into the... 105 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:59,640 project i think with the idea of revenge and i think it proved a lot that i'd 106 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:06,360 always suspected that revenge is not justice that justice 107 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,940 is not the truth and the truth 108 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:18,880 is whatever you really believe it to be maybe we could 109 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,340 start at the beginning 110 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,540 You know, I remember when I got off the plane, when I first came to L .A., I had 111 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:31,040 a motorcycle jacket on and a motorcycle boots, you know. 112 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,920 And that was me. 113 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,900 And I didn't realize it was a Halloween costume. 114 00:07:35,620 --> 00:07:42,320 He had raw talent, good looks, charisma. 115 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,040 They sent me on an audition for a television show called Saint Elsewhere. 116 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,820 And I was late for the damn thing. 117 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,560 And so I went. I was in my... 118 00:07:54,979 --> 00:07:59,800 My, my gas station. I was in my 76 stuff. I had my blue shirt, my pants 119 00:08:00,420 --> 00:08:01,700 You know, I had my shit on. 120 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,660 I had to go straight there. I was way late. 121 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,220 And so, I went in and I sat there and I read with the casting director. 122 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:12,480 It was the first time in my life I'd ever auditioned for anything. 123 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,200 You know, you have the piece of paper and you gotta say the things and look at 124 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,660 the person and it's very awkward. 125 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,040 It's really awkward. 126 00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:22,640 Anyway, I got the... He got it. 127 00:08:23,220 --> 00:08:25,320 He got the first thing he auditioned for. 128 00:08:25,660 --> 00:08:30,420 When my agent called to say that I got the part, he said he was laughing on the 129 00:08:30,420 --> 00:08:34,120 phone and I said, what's so funny? And he said, well, the casting director said 130 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,679 that it was brilliant that you came in as a working class guy, dressed as a 131 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,679 working class guy. 132 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:45,200 I was like, okay. 133 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,000 But he was by no means an overnight success. 134 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,540 Michael worked his ass off to get to where he is now. 135 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:01,420 He auditioned constantly, took almost anything he could book, got noticed in 136 00:09:01,420 --> 00:09:06,840 smaller roles, and little by little, he got bigger, better parts. 137 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:12,000 That's about the time when I first stepped up at the agency and we started 138 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 working together. 139 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:18,200 I met Michael on the set of Kill Bill just before we were about to do our 140 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,200 together. 141 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:21,630 He pulled me aside. 142 00:09:21,970 --> 00:09:24,110 We were in the middle of a desert. 143 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:29,570 And he said, what do you think about God? 144 00:09:31,030 --> 00:09:36,010 And what can I do about the kind of world that it looks like my kids are 145 00:09:36,010 --> 00:09:37,010 to grow up into? 146 00:09:38,270 --> 00:09:42,930 And I gave him the easiest answers I could, which wasn't much, I guess. 147 00:09:43,510 --> 00:09:49,770 And I realized right away that Michael's a really good guy. 148 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,380 and are a really good actor. 149 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,100 He's kind, he's gentle. 150 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:59,820 He's a gentle giant, really, you know? And, I mean, his bad boy image is just 151 00:09:59,820 --> 00:10:01,040 that. He's big. 152 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,920 Big, good -looking guy. 153 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,720 Friendly. Good company. 154 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Talented. 155 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:11,340 Good poet. 156 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:14,519 Good guy. 157 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,960 You know, on screen, Michael is a really tough guy, and... 158 00:10:17,490 --> 00:10:21,350 Michael is a really tough guy, but Michael is one of the most benevolent, 159 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:25,270 righteous people I've ever met. Everyone has nice stories to tell about Michael. 160 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:30,630 You know, every set that I'm on, somebody comes up and is like, oh, I 161 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:33,290 your brother, and you're really so great, he's so funny. 162 00:10:33,930 --> 00:10:39,990 And, you know, and so I tell Michael, and, you know, he even remembers their 163 00:10:39,990 --> 00:10:42,330 name. I mean, who does that? 164 00:10:42,590 --> 00:10:43,770 These are people on the crew. 165 00:10:44,770 --> 00:10:45,770 It's, uh... 166 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,320 A much easier career to maintain and manage. 167 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:53,120 Way easier than the overnight successes, if you can believe it. 168 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,300 He's proven that he won't burn out and fade away. 169 00:10:58,420 --> 00:11:02,400 That means bankability and staying power, both domestically and abroad. 170 00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:08,900 All I have to do is sit back and cherry pick the offers. 171 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:12,960 Don't tell him I said so. 172 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:19,240 He will, too. 173 00:11:19,580 --> 00:11:20,580 He really will. 174 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,920 With any role, it's all about the craft. 175 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:29,360 It's all about getting involved in the character without being self -conscious. 176 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Being conscious of not being self -conscious, if that makes any sense. 177 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,440 It's all about the focus. 178 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,440 Keeping yourself in character. 179 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,980 I like Thelma and Louise. I like Reservoir Dogs. 180 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:46,200 I like Donnie Brasco. I like... Free Willy. 181 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:54,880 I don't really know. I think longevity is what I'm after, 182 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 you know? 183 00:11:56,380 --> 00:11:57,380 Showbiz. 184 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,280 My opinion. 185 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,240 It's like everything else, it's what is. 186 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:11,960 Everything to me, the whole existence, the consciousness on the planet, it's... 187 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:15,920 It's a movie, and it's already in a can. 188 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:22,580 So it's all one big movie, all of it. Your life, I'm not in charge, and 189 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:23,580 in charge. 190 00:12:24,460 --> 00:12:27,800 In a lot of ways, I don't really like where I'm at right now. 191 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,940 I never really counted on this much fame. 192 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:34,800 You know, I mean, it got to the point where I couldn't even walk down the 193 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,360 without 100 pictures of me being taken. 194 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:40,960 And I've always been completely honest about who I am. 195 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,300 About the partying and about everything. I mean, how much more honest can a 196 00:12:46,300 --> 00:12:47,300 person be? 197 00:12:47,580 --> 00:12:53,940 Even after laying it all bare, the tabloid press, they still keep making 198 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:56,040 up. So maybe he did have problems. 199 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,600 Who doesn't? 200 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,480 You do. I do. Cameraman does. 201 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:06,780 Crack whore on the street does. The point is, the point is, you put 202 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:08,320 life under a microscope? 203 00:13:09,820 --> 00:13:10,820 Hello? 204 00:13:12,189 --> 00:13:13,870 it's going to come off scandalous. 205 00:13:14,110 --> 00:13:19,630 They'll interview somebody for 45 minutes and at some point the guy will 206 00:13:19,630 --> 00:13:24,950 something that could be taken out of context and make it look bad and that's 207 00:13:24,950 --> 00:13:25,789 they'll use. 208 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:29,390 Like when you're going to premieres, you're going to public events and stuff 209 00:13:29,390 --> 00:13:30,490 like that, it's fine. 210 00:13:30,770 --> 00:13:34,950 I don't think any actors, any musicians have a problem with dealing with 211 00:13:34,950 --> 00:13:39,810 paparazzi. It's almost like sometimes the better you do, the worse it becomes 212 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:44,240 because... They see something good, and they just want more and more and more 213 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,460 and more. I've had people parking outside of my house for days on end so 214 00:13:48,460 --> 00:13:50,940 know when I'm coming and going, who's there, when I'm alone. 215 00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:54,920 It can be dangerous, and it can feel very threatening. 216 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,000 I know it's been said before, and it might be a cliche, but being famous is 217 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,400 all just easy living and kicking back. 218 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:04,900 Sometimes it's pretty damn tough. 219 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:09,100 I know that sometimes when one becomes famous, they say that your life is open 220 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:09,979 to the world. 221 00:14:09,980 --> 00:14:10,980 You want to know something? 222 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:17,120 It isn't. But this one thing, this one thing, it just brought my outrage 223 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,180 to a whole nother level. 224 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,300 I did not kill Vanessa Rappaport. 225 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,240 I met that girl one time. 226 00:15:01,460 --> 00:15:05,420 Once. She was a background atmosphere in a film I did. 227 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,480 She was background extra in a picture I worked on, okay? 228 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:13,420 I said hello to her. She's nice. She was sweet. She was a nice little girl. 229 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:16,540 All I did was say hello. That's all it was. 230 00:15:17,020 --> 00:15:18,360 And I told the cops that. 231 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,060 And they believed me. And they were cool. 232 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,520 There's no way. 233 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,120 Michael would come to me and say, what the hell do I do about this? 234 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:32,540 And he'd tell me if he did it because he knows that I take care of him 235 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:34,420 no matter what he did. 236 00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:38,860 I wouldn't put it past Michael to have some involvement with all of this. 237 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:42,560 Now, I know then it went too far and it became something else. But in the 238 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,500 beginning, you know, just not having spoken to Michael in a while. 239 00:15:48,890 --> 00:15:51,930 You know, I really didn't know anything about this until suddenly it was like 240 00:15:51,930 --> 00:15:52,950 headline news. 241 00:15:53,610 --> 00:15:56,950 The person responsible for that is Dan. 242 00:15:57,950 --> 00:15:58,950 Billy Dan. 243 00:15:58,970 --> 00:16:02,610 Hey, what's going on, guys? Mr. Dan, we'd like to interview you. Find out 244 00:16:02,610 --> 00:16:04,070 it takes to be the top reporter. 245 00:16:04,730 --> 00:16:05,730 Right. 246 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:09,230 Who are you guys? Did sales send you guys? 247 00:16:09,570 --> 00:16:10,570 Dan's rag. 248 00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:13,130 The rag. 249 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:16,350 Printed the now infamous story. 250 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:18,190 Michael Madsen. 251 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:19,570 The murderer. 252 00:16:20,170 --> 00:16:21,650 Michael Madsen, the murderer. 253 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:23,290 Okay, Dad, yeah. 254 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:25,270 Vanessa Rappaport, yeah. 255 00:16:25,530 --> 00:16:31,670 I killed her. A lot of people just, you know, like the idea of the story, almost 256 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:36,250 like it was a good story that maybe he killed this girl. 257 00:16:37,390 --> 00:16:41,550 Anyway, I knew that I had to do something. 258 00:16:42,070 --> 00:16:43,070 A number of occasions. 259 00:16:43,190 --> 00:16:44,590 Now, will you admit to that? 260 00:16:44,890 --> 00:16:45,890 Madsen, the murderer. 261 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:47,610 Okay. 262 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:48,990 It's so ridiculous. 263 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:53,890 I can't even believe I have to defend myself against this. 264 00:16:54,390 --> 00:16:56,050 Oh, come on. Give me a break. 265 00:16:56,330 --> 00:16:58,870 I'm not going to dignify that with an answer. 266 00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:06,710 For the last time, I did not kill Vanessa Rappaport. 267 00:17:07,310 --> 00:17:09,630 Have you ever killed anyone, sugar tits? 268 00:17:10,109 --> 00:17:14,470 Ladies and gentlemen, do your homework. 269 00:17:15,349 --> 00:17:17,170 Are you going to let this... 270 00:17:17,910 --> 00:17:21,990 and Billy Dan give you all your information? 271 00:17:22,790 --> 00:17:23,790 Come on! 272 00:17:24,369 --> 00:17:26,430 Give me a fucking break! Right here, Madsen. 273 00:17:26,910 --> 00:17:28,210 And I did do my homework. 274 00:17:28,970 --> 00:17:31,850 Now I've got a question for you. That's the game you clowns play. Why don't you 275 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:36,170 be that big, brave, tough guy that you pretend to be in all your movies and 276 00:17:36,170 --> 00:17:39,230 confess that you killed Vanessa Rappaport? Against something that I 277 00:17:39,690 --> 00:17:41,510 And you don't have any evidence. 278 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:44,830 That's ridiculous. 279 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:46,450 That's ridiculous. 280 00:17:46,670 --> 00:17:47,670 Where are you going? 281 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:49,190 Where's the body, man? 282 00:17:49,470 --> 00:17:54,190 Huh? Where's the body? Why don't you shut up? You killed Vanessa Rappaport. 283 00:17:54,190 --> 00:17:57,830 up! You killed Vanessa Rappaport. Keep on printing your lies, and you're going 284 00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:58,830 to find out. 285 00:18:00,090 --> 00:18:01,570 You're going to find out who I am. 286 00:18:02,030 --> 00:18:03,150 Are you going to kill me too? 287 00:18:03,870 --> 00:18:07,030 The thing is, it wasn't even a murder investigation. 288 00:18:07,950 --> 00:18:09,630 The girl was missing, yeah. 289 00:18:09,850 --> 00:18:12,490 But there was no evidence of a murder, for Christ's sake. 290 00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:14,630 But you know as well as I do. 291 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:19,850 That if someone blows that whistle loud enough and long enough, it becomes the 292 00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:25,030 new hot topic. Am I right? Well, in this particular case, it's just been brutal 293 00:18:25,030 --> 00:18:31,930 for our family. The harassment has been incredible, and it's been 294 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:34,010 exceedingly difficult. 295 00:18:53,739 --> 00:19:00,600 I had no doubt 296 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,840 in my mind when we filed suit we were going to win. 297 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:08,300 We were going to send a message to all the tabloids who stooped to yellow 298 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:13,460 journalism. The trial, of course, was a field day, even for the legitimate 299 00:19:13,460 --> 00:19:14,460 media. 300 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:16,250 What a disaster. 301 00:19:17,250 --> 00:19:21,710 The way the liberal world works today, everyone's afraid to take a stand. 302 00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:26,830 The judge upheld the first amendment rights, even though they had consented 303 00:19:26,830 --> 00:19:28,490 they had printed sensational headlines. 304 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:34,990 But the judgment was that they had used creative punctuation of those headlines 305 00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:40,210 and vague enough wording in the article itself to get away with it. It seems 306 00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:41,210 like that. 307 00:19:41,610 --> 00:19:48,570 That trial was, there was probably some other factors involved that skewed it 308 00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:49,610 in a weird direction. 309 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:52,810 I guess the First Amendment means that you can print whatever you want about 310 00:19:52,810 --> 00:19:54,690 somebody, even if it isn't true. 311 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:59,770 In defamation cases with public figures, there's a higher burden of proof, and 312 00:19:59,770 --> 00:20:05,010 it's very difficult to make a case against the media in particular, 313 00:20:05,010 --> 00:20:09,050 when the alleged defamer uses words like alleged. 314 00:20:09,370 --> 00:20:10,370 I think it was wrong. 315 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:17,120 I don't know who paid somebody something or what went on, but he should have won 316 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:22,600 that. I mean, I'd say for sure this is libel. The problem we had in this case 317 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:28,000 was, of course, the higher standards required for the defamation laws vis -a 318 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,540 -vis a public figure when that public figure sues a media entity. 319 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,280 Total bullshit. 320 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,740 You know, it got to the point where I realized that the more you defend 321 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:40,640 yourself. the more guilty you seem. 322 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:46,900 Even in this documentary, where I wanted truth to be the main character, it 323 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:51,400 turned into a balancing act of what to say and what not to say. 324 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:58,740 So I guess I figured I'd just let happen what's going to happen and just let be 325 00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:04,540 what's going to be and truly let that walk a mile in my boots. 326 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,580 You know, what Michael's doing is just... 327 00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:08,490 simply bringing more attention. 328 00:21:08,750 --> 00:21:12,950 I mean, he's just pouring fuel on flames, but that's just my opinion. 329 00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:19,450 I mean, I think that had he not responded, it may have just sort of gone 330 00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:23,430 you know, but that's just my opinion. It's not the way I would have handled 331 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:28,750 things, but it's, you know, it's Michael. It's Michael logic. 332 00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:36,050 And that's when I got the idea to turn the tables on Tant. 333 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,860 To turn it around, give him a taste of his own medicine. 334 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:45,800 So, I went out and hired my documentary filmmakers. 335 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:52,120 When Mr. Madsen first pitched his concept to us, to basically stalk Dance, 336 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,820 appalled. With a guaranteed budget, how could I say no? 337 00:21:56,300 --> 00:22:00,820 I spent years scrounging for finishing funds for Deadly Veneer. I didn't want 338 00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:01,519 do that again. 339 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,700 I admit, I needed the money. 340 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,980 And that's what pumps my hips, you know what I mean? 341 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:09,800 But, uh... This being the exception, documentary filmmaking hardly pays the 342 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,000 bills. And you don't have the control like you do with the narrative, you 343 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:13,660 with the shots, the lighting, the whole look. 344 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,880 You know, docs are never about the image or the picture. It's just talking 345 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,880 heads. 346 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:21,980 Yeah? What are we at, like a medium close -up right now? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. 347 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,340 I mean, I don't care what Mark and Jackie say. At the end of the day, all 348 00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:29,680 documentary filmmakers really just want to make features anyway. 349 00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:32,799 It's true. 350 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,020 My goal has always been to get to, like, a Ken Burns. 351 00:22:37,379 --> 00:22:41,000 You know, where the money's always there, just waiting for your next idea. 352 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,260 figured this was the next step for me. 353 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,840 A big step. 354 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,720 Yeah, we turned the tables on Billy Dance. 355 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,020 Just like Mr. Madsen wanted. 356 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,800 But they got turned on us, too. 357 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:57,220 We didn't do unto others like we should have, so I got what I deserved. 358 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:00,500 I take full responsibility for my part in it all. 359 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,340 But hopefully, submitting to this interview, I'll get my chance. 360 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:07,090 To clean this late. 361 00:23:09,050 --> 00:23:12,810 But, of course, who knows how all of this will turn out. 362 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:15,090 I guess that's up to you. 363 00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:17,630 Or whoever edits this travesty. 364 00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:24,430 Do you know what he looks like? 365 00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:25,670 Of course, don't you? 366 00:23:26,410 --> 00:23:27,910 Probably. Yeah, I can spot him. 367 00:23:28,150 --> 00:23:29,150 Not too much glare. 368 00:23:29,310 --> 00:23:31,750 He'll be fine. There's a lot of noise out here. Got time to put on a filter? 369 00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:33,470 Don't worry about it, you guys. 370 00:23:33,670 --> 00:23:34,639 There he is. 371 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,860 Do we need to get releases if anyone else gets in the shot? Don't be an 372 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,360 Dexter. Shoot first, ask questions later. 373 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:42,580 Hey, what's going on, guys? Mr. Dan, we'd like to interview you. Find out 374 00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:44,160 it takes to be the top reporter. 375 00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:46,020 Right. 376 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,880 Who are you guys? 377 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:50,460 Did sales send you guys? No, no, we're documentarians. 378 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,760 We want to talk about Deadly Veneer, the evils of the vinyl sighting industry. 379 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,040 I'm sorry, man. I never thought I'd... Just a few minutes, Mr. Dan. It would be 380 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,040 a great help to us. 381 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,740 You know, I'm in a bit of a hurry, man. Look, Mr. Dan. 382 00:24:03,550 --> 00:24:04,529 We got lucky. 383 00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:06,490 Just trying to keep the momentum going. 384 00:24:06,970 --> 00:24:09,550 You remember what it was like when you were first starting out, don't you? 385 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:15,750 Well, um... Look at it hurt, right? 386 00:24:16,530 --> 00:24:20,670 But just a few minutes. Ray, where do you want... Right up here. 387 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:21,990 Stand up. 388 00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:24,010 Okay, first question. 389 00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:27,070 What's your definition of tabloid media? 390 00:24:27,270 --> 00:24:28,510 Is it news or entertainment? 391 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,180 First, the term tabloid is largely misused. 392 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:34,500 Define it for us. 393 00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:40,240 Simply put, it means greatly condensed or shortened, as in abbreviated news. 394 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,900 True, but that's only part of Webster's. Isn't it also defined as lurid and 395 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:47,100 vulgar, characterized by sensationalism? 396 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,840 What's the basis of this documentary? You guys doing that? 397 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,180 comparative study of journalism or something like that. Do you think people 398 00:24:57,180 --> 00:25:00,620 your profession are treated unfairly by the celebrities that you publicize? 399 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:05,480 Yeah, yeah, I definitely think we're treated unfairly. Well, 400 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,260 I think any publicity is good publicity. 401 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,640 If you read a person's name enough times, you won't forget it. 402 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:15,380 That doesn't really hurt anyone. 403 00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:17,970 Especially not the people I'm dealing with. 404 00:25:18,190 --> 00:25:21,570 So what you're saying is you feel justified in invading people's privacy. 405 00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:22,970 I mean, you're doing them a favor. 406 00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:26,670 Yeah, I mean, we're fulfilling a need. 407 00:25:27,170 --> 00:25:28,570 The end justifies the means. 408 00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:34,850 Look, what I do get greatly exaggerated by the quote -unquote real press. 409 00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:38,570 I mean, we're just out there taking pictures, writing stories, you know, 410 00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:41,270 reporting on what the public deems newsworthy, nothing else. 411 00:25:41,610 --> 00:25:46,110 So you feel justified in crashing people's weddings, chasing them in their 412 00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:49,770 getting pictures of them when... I get you. I get you. I get you're going out 413 00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:51,790 there, but it's not going to happen. Okay. 414 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:55,510 So, considering the complete definition of... I got to go. 415 00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:57,650 One more question, Mr. Dan. 416 00:25:58,170 --> 00:25:59,170 One more, please. 417 00:25:59,210 --> 00:26:00,330 Who are you guys really? 418 00:26:00,950 --> 00:26:04,070 I got to go, guys. Take care. 419 00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:07,650 We didn't know who we were, what we were doing, who had hired us. 420 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:10,070 I was surprised. 421 00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:17,060 at how approachable dan was maybe i started to identify with him a little 422 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:19,980 than somebody who's trying to document and observe should not that that changed 423 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:26,120 my methods i think but you know having done a couple of these now 424 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:31,180 i find it's almost like stockholm syndrome the relationship between the 425 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:37,280 documentary filmmaker and his subject especially if it's a person uh maybe 426 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,280 a little more like uh 427 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,580 Florence Nightingale syndrome. 428 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:48,120 No, wait, it's, um... It's, uh... 429 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,860 It's like the uncertainty principle. 430 00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:57,860 You cannot observe something without changing it. 431 00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:02,120 Fucking douche. 432 00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:06,160 That dance was so condescending that first time out, man. I know as a 433 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,550 I'm supposed to be objective, but... Right off the bat, I didn't like the 434 00:27:11,150 --> 00:27:15,330 As soon as Dan opened up his mouth, I knew we were on to something big. 435 00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:20,230 He was the epitome of the delusional state a paparazzi has to live in. 436 00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:25,130 On the first day, I decided to, you know, catch Dan. The second he came back 437 00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:27,090 of his office, you know, really keep the pressure on. 438 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:31,390 There he is. There he is. 439 00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:33,190 Yep, that's him. Let's go, people. 440 00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:34,590 Move it. 441 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,420 I have a couple more questions for you, Mr. Dan. Are you following me around 442 00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:52,140 now? Oh, my God. I'm sorry. 443 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,780 What is it with you people? Seriously. 444 00:27:57,180 --> 00:27:58,220 I'm sorry, Mr. Dan. 445 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,480 It's over, man. No interview. 446 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:07,560 I thought we were off to a rough start. 447 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:12,780 But, you know, you can turn those little accidents to your advantage. And it put 448 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:13,940 Dan on the defensive. 449 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:18,160 When Jackie boinked him on the head, that's when it started to get fun. 450 00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:05,900 I wanted Dan to know that we were going to be a permanent fixture. 451 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,060 I mean, he got the idea, kept his head low, so most of the second day amounted 452 00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:15,320 to surveillance footage. But that night, that was a different story. 453 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:47,480 What's your name? Cindy. 454 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,720 Cindy. Cindy. 455 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,780 Are you guys making a movie? 456 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:52,940 Did you meet Mr. Dan tonight? 457 00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:55,100 We go way back. Way back. How far back? 458 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,380 You're a beautiful girl. How old are you? 459 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720 I'm 24. 460 00:30:01,180 --> 00:30:02,660 Tell me a little secret. 461 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,480 Sure. A little bit of Mr. Dan? 462 00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:06,739 Yeah, buddy. 463 00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:10,740 A lot. A lot? You've been drinking a lot. Do you feel comfortable with Mr. 464 00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:12,040 driving while he's intoxicated? 465 00:30:21,629 --> 00:30:27,810 The original intent, I felt, was a deconstruction of the whole patriarchal 466 00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:31,510 system that allows for the exploitative existence of the paparazzi in the first 467 00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:32,510 place. 468 00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:36,010 But it just goes to show you, you can't reign in the demon. 469 00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:42,190 The car chase thing was fun, and I was caught up in the moment too, but it was 470 00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:45,010 outside the nightclub when I first realized what we were doing. 471 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,760 I mean, we were no better than Dant. 472 00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:49,840 We were becoming him. 473 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:52,680 That wasn't obvious from the beginning. 474 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:55,300 Yeah, 475 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:57,860 right. The medium is the message. 476 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:02,640 In hindsight, it's 2020, Marshall McLuhan. Are you kidding me? That shit 477 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,780 was with was hot, man. I mean, that shit's why I'm all about success, 478 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:07,780 everybody wins. 479 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:11,600 You can't believe that girl wasn't happy as hell just to be seen with Dant. 480 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:12,700 Especially now. 481 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,480 But I'm a cinematographer. 482 00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:18,110 And I wasn't about to stop shooting just because some dude gets in my way. 483 00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:21,170 That's what you've got to do if you want to make it. I mean, I should know. 484 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:23,930 Check out the shades. 485 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:28,870 I knew what we were getting into. I mean, the whole hostile interview 486 00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:34,550 I've always said, if you want to get to the core of your subject matter, you've 487 00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:40,470 got to be prepared, patient, dedicated, and, if need be, relentless. 488 00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:43,390 Sometimes merciless. 489 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,800 I mean, I thought it was ironic, if not too predictable, that Dan, now on the 490 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880 other side of the camera, reacted the way that he did. 491 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,140 So, do you want an establishing shot of the house? We'll get it later. You know, 492 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,840 I can pan from the skyline to the door that opens. Just stay on the door. 493 00:32:01,060 --> 00:32:02,060 All right. 494 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,160 Wait for it. 495 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,520 And... Come on, man. 496 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,420 What is it with you people? Seriously, this is my home. Good morning, Mr. Dan. 497 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,560 Good morning. Hey. 498 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,260 Turn off the camera. Hey, don't touch the camera, man. I'm serious. What's 499 00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:23,000 name? I want all your names. I'm Mark Pollard. 500 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:26,240 I just want to ask you a few questions. Questions? More like harass me. I'm 501 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,900 interested in your career as a paparazzi. As a paparazzi? 502 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,240 You don't even know what I do. 503 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,540 Okay, get off my property before I call the cops. Mr. Dan, I know that we got 504 00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:34,600 off on the wrong foot. 505 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,680 That's not where we started. That's where you took it. Okay, you're right. 506 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:40,800 But we are going to tell the story whether you help us or not. 507 00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:44,460 Now, don't gripe to me later if your side doesn't get told. Now, all I'm 508 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:49,060 is that I want to include your point of view, and I want to get it right. 509 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,600 So this is your chance. 510 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,820 Why didn't you say that in the first place? 511 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,740 Mr. Dan, I'm sorry for hitting you in the head with a boom. Boom! 512 00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:58,260 Yeah. 513 00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:02,960 He could have called me or something, man. We try to capture our subjects in 514 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,620 their natural habitat, so to speak. But, you know, you're probably right. 515 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,940 Would you feel more comfortable with a traditional type of interview? 516 00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:10,940 Like what? 517 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:12,310 A sit -down. 518 00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:15,070 Your office, maybe. I ask the questions, you answer. 519 00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:16,450 Traditional. 520 00:33:18,250 --> 00:33:19,510 This will be about my work? 521 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:20,710 Yes. 522 00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:21,850 Nothing else? 523 00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:27,430 Yes, this is purely an exploration into celebrity journalism. So, will you give 524 00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:28,430 us an interview? 525 00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:34,030 Billy Dent, tabloid reporter and photographer, was not always the man he 526 00:33:34,030 --> 00:33:38,930 today. Once upon a time, Billy Dent was not even Billy Dent. 527 00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:45,760 Born Peter Kenneth Ryan, he too had dreams of glory, those dreams to become 528 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,020 world's greatest true crime author. 529 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:53,340 Peter Kenneth Ryan's fascination with violent death and criminology was 530 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:57,620 discovered in the forgotten stacks of old magazines and paperbacks in his 531 00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:58,620 latchkey home. 532 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,560 He devoured every book, every article, and became more than just a devoted 533 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,219 reader of the genre. Before long, he was consumed with a criminal mind. 534 00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,840 all things morbid, all things evil. 535 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,060 His obsession led him to study investigative journalism and photography 536 00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:18,239 University of Connecticut. 537 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:22,980 He quickly made himself known and earned a reputation as a talented young go 538 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:28,900 -getter. Ryan, alias Dant, networked, met all the right people, and always 539 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:33,719 managed to be in the right place at the right time. He was on the fast track to 540 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,719 success. 541 00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:39,810 Through alumni connections, Ryan stepped off the graduation podium and into a 542 00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:42,650 highly coveted job at a major metropolitan newspaper. 543 00:34:42,969 --> 00:34:47,489 He started with minor assignments, but it wasn't long before Ryan made a name 544 00:34:47,489 --> 00:34:48,388 for himself. 545 00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:53,909 His scoop, Bribery on the Docks, done on his own time, his own way. 546 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,560 won Ryan the coveted National Press Photographers Association Award and a 547 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,200 York Photojournalist Association tribute at the tender age of 22. 548 00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:09,800 With his very next story, Ryan's stock went through the roof. His in -depth 549 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:16,280 Junkies in City Hall expose landed him the opportunity he had always dreamed 550 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,880 a substantial advance to write his dream book. 551 00:35:20,350 --> 00:35:24,570 a concept the publisher had rejected just one year earlier. 552 00:35:25,090 --> 00:35:30,070 His sample chapter for the life and killings of the old leather man promised 553 00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:33,890 book as revolutionary as Truman Capote's In Cold Blood. 554 00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:39,750 Yes, Peter Kenneth Ryan hit the point in his career where the world was his 555 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:45,590 golden apple, ripe for the taking, but something in his character was about to 556 00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:51,380 spoil it all. Instead of taking a bite out of that apple, Ryan chose instead to 557 00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:58,000 become the worm inside it. Instead of writing and researching, Ryan slash Dant 558 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,200 spent his entire advance on four decadent months traveling the world with 559 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,420 then -girlfriend. From Las Vegas to Mardi Gras to the Hawaiian Islands, it 560 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:11,720 wasn't long before all of the advance money was spent. 561 00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:17,570 Piecing his book together at the last minute, Ryan plagiarized entire chapters 562 00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:21,010 from his collection of vintage true crime books and magazines. 563 00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:26,750 He fictionalized people, concocted interviews, fabricated evidence, and 564 00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:29,750 falsified reports, all to meet his deadline. 565 00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:35,030 In the end, Ryan's editor discovered the truth, but not before the book went to 566 00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:37,870 press, costing the publisher a small fortune. 567 00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:40,350 Now jobless and disgraced. 568 00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:45,230 Word spread throughout the industry, and the name Peter Kenneth Ryan became 569 00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:51,350 synonymous with sleaze. But our tale doesn't end there, and neither does the 570 00:36:51,350 --> 00:36:56,890 sleaze. In his desperate decline into filth and debauchery, Peter Kenneth Ryan 571 00:36:56,890 --> 00:37:02,730 rejected everything that he had once held sacred. The last thing to go, his 572 00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:06,970 identity. His journalistic integrity long gone. 573 00:37:07,390 --> 00:37:11,570 Ryan managed to pull himself out of the hole he had dug, legally changed his 574 00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:16,870 name to Billy Dent, and landed a job at a celebrity -stalking tabloid weekly. 575 00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:23,750 Dent, a new man, attacked his job with a zealousness never before seen, even in 576 00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:28,430 an industry notorious for its great lack of moral and ethical fiber. 577 00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:34,630 Billy Dent, formerly Peter Kenneth Ryan, a life with so much potential. 578 00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:40,950 Gone down a road so wrong, it could do nothing less than rise up and slap him 579 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:41,950 the face. 580 00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:44,830 So, will you give us an interview? 581 00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:47,470 Ah. 582 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:50,850 Will it get you off my back? 583 00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:52,650 I promise. 584 00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:56,510 Come on, Mark said it. 585 00:37:57,190 --> 00:38:01,590 What is it with this guerrilla filmmaking shit? I mean, it's still 90s, 586 00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:03,010 Okay, well then we'll do it your way. 587 00:38:03,550 --> 00:38:04,550 Tell us where and when. 588 00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:08,070 All right, I'll do it. Just turn off the fucking camera. 589 00:38:08,290 --> 00:38:09,870 I was pushing all the right buttons. 590 00:38:10,570 --> 00:38:14,110 Told Dan the truth the way he wanted to hear it. I mean, even after we accosted 591 00:38:14,110 --> 00:38:20,050 him for two days running, all I had to do was offer him the limelight. You 592 00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:21,490 give him his own personal forum. 593 00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:24,150 Of course he was going to agree to the interview. 594 00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:29,110 It was great, man. He's all like, shut that camera off. And I'm like, you 595 00:38:29,110 --> 00:38:30,370 touched my camera again? 596 00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:33,110 You're dead. You're messing my camera. You're messing with me. 597 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,020 And I was going to get to shoot Dan like nothing ever happened before. You know 598 00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:38,020 what I mean? Like, whoa. 599 00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:40,460 Whoa. 600 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:45,340 There was some conflict over the footage we'd shot. I thought it was coming 601 00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:50,720 together nicely. But after we showed our digital dailies to Madsen, he told us 602 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,300 he wanted us to take it to the next level. 603 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:57,360 I didn't feel good about the next level. Yeah, Mikey gave us the big guns. 604 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,140 Madsen had hired a private detective. 605 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,100 So from the beginning, we had a file about two inches thick on Dance. Now 606 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,060 remember, at this point, Dance had no idea that this was Mr. 607 00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:09,300 Madsen's show. 608 00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:13,040 That poor man, he didn't stand a chance. 609 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,640 Dex, is the second camera locked on? 610 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,819 Yeah, we're good to go. 611 00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:17,820 Okay. 612 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,800 Are you ready, Mr. Dance? 613 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:21,280 Yeah, how's my lighting? 614 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,600 That's perfect. 615 00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:27,040 So, when did you first become interested in photojournalism? 616 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,360 Um... 617 00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:34,260 One Christmas, when I was 10, my father gave me his old brownie. 618 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:35,740 What's a brownie? 619 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,700 It's an old box camera. 620 00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:40,880 You had to look down into the viewfinder. 621 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,120 Didn't really work, but it helped me with framing, you know, the basics of 622 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,600 seeing, of looking through a lens. 623 00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:50,080 And that was the beginning for you? 624 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,960 Yeah. Then I got an Instamatic, and I would run around the neighborhood taking 625 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,460 pictures, getting people mad at me. 626 00:39:58,330 --> 00:39:59,810 Why did they get mad at you? 627 00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:04,870 I took pictures at inappropriate times, or at least they thought it was 628 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:06,570 inappropriate. How inappropriate? 629 00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:14,490 I would, you know, sneak in on my father in the john while he was shaving or my 630 00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:15,790 mom while she was doing her hair. 631 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:19,470 Little moments that weren't supposed to be preserved for popularity. 632 00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:21,770 And you liked doing this? 633 00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:23,210 Yeah, it was fun. 634 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:24,370 You know, kid stuff. 635 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:26,570 Getting people mad at you was fun. 636 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:29,980 Yeah, it was innocent. 637 00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:31,800 Like I said, good stuff, really. 638 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,200 No big deal. 639 00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:39,000 So you began to feel like that camera gave you license to be anywhere. 640 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,360 No, not really. 641 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,180 You know, it was exciting. 642 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,400 When I was 11 years old, I had an early picture of a burning house printed in 643 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,400 local newspaper. 644 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,460 And you took pride in that. 645 00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:57,240 Absolutely. But didn't you get into trouble for going where you weren't 646 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,240 to go? 647 00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:01,290 Sometimes. But I didn't really care, you know. 648 00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:06,070 It was like, I felt like a real roving reporter. If you're not looking for the 649 00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:09,230 news, you're not going to find it. And all this was when you were still Peter 650 00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:10,230 Kenneth Ryan. 651 00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:14,090 It's no secret that I changed my name. 652 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:16,730 But I'm not going to talk about why. 653 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:18,990 It's all behind me now. 654 00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:21,550 Okay. 655 00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:23,710 So let's keep talking about your childhood. 656 00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:25,690 Peter Kenneth Ryan is... 657 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,120 somewhat legendary in his hometown. 658 00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:32,020 Does the name Agnes Ripplehorn mean anything to you? 659 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:33,940 Who? 660 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,160 Agnes Ripplehorn. She was a friend of your parents. You mowed her lawn. 661 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160 Her husband was a... He owned a local grocery store. 662 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,560 Right, right. What about her? As a teenager, weren't you caught taking 663 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,900 inappropriate pictures of Mrs. Ripplehorn? 664 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,360 I wouldn't call them inappropriate. 665 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,360 Every kid in town admired her. I just took some... 666 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,000 You know, really good pictures of her. She was a beautiful woman. I'm not your 667 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000 average housewife. 668 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,700 But didn't you take those pictures without her permission? 669 00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:07,360 Who'd you hear this from? I mean, as a matter of fact, weren't these pictures 670 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,120 taken while she was in the privacy of her own home, behind closed doors? I 671 00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:15,220 weren't you peeking through her windows, taking dirty pictures? 672 00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:18,780 There were no dirty pictures. I took some pictures while she was hanging 673 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:21,480 laundry. I mean, sure, she was wearing a nice... 674 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:26,290 Light summer dress and I may have favored certain angles, but I was a 675 00:42:26,530 --> 00:42:27,530 I mean it was typical. 676 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:28,850 Do you mean these pictures? 677 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:35,930 Where'd you get these and these are beautiful right the same place we got 678 00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:34,830 I bet you like this one, don't you? 679 00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:38,070 Is that your only response to these photographs? 680 00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:41,890 The whole thing was blown way out of proportion. 681 00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:48,210 You know, but if I did a background check on you, I bet you I'd find 682 00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:50,450 lot like that or worse. So you did take those pictures? 683 00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:57,390 You're regular Mike Wallace over there. How much money did you get from your 684 00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:59,330 classmates for selling those pictures? 685 00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:03,560 You were a documentary filmmaker, not an investigative reporter. 686 00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:06,260 What do you consider yourself to be? A paparazzo? 687 00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:09,600 A voyeur? A stalker? I'm a photographer. 688 00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:12,020 A photojournalist. 689 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,280 If celebrities want a private life, then they shouldn't become famous in the 690 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,280 first place. 691 00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,020 It just kills me. 692 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,020 I didn't create this system. 693 00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:24,720 But I'm smart enough to know that these celebrities wouldn't last ten seconds 694 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:25,720 without it. 695 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,020 They all fight tooth and nail to make it. And on the way up, if they get... 696 00:44:30,190 --> 00:44:34,030 Their picture are mentioned in the back of some rag doing a bit part in some 697 00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:35,970 crappy play and they're fucking beside themselves. 698 00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:41,030 But once they hit the big time, then they're all private and they don't owe 699 00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:42,030 anybody anything. 700 00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:43,710 Everything's changed. 701 00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:45,250 That's bullshit. 702 00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:49,710 Is it true you're responsible for the death of your prom date, Sally Folsom, 703 00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:53,390 was killed while you were behind the wheel driving intoxicated? You need to 704 00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:54,930 your facts straight because that was an accident. 705 00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:11,660 Pete, hurry up, man. Go faster. 706 00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:14,140 Hey, Pete, 707 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,860 give me a hit on that. 708 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,240 Look out! 709 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,100 Is it true that you were responsible for Sally Fulton's death or not? No, it's 710 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,240 not. Well, according to the police report, your alcohol blood level was 711 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,320 Turn the camera off. 712 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,840 Don't move your shit, man. The interview is over. Okay. 713 00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:35,760 Susan! Security! Get security in here, please! 714 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000 I have motives. 715 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,200 Clear my name. 716 00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:40,770 Get my career back on track. 717 00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:46,090 If you read something enough times, you start to believe it. It's that simple. 718 00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:49,530 Dance, yellow journalism infected my career. 719 00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:51,410 It hurt us greatly. 720 00:45:52,570 --> 00:45:55,430 Flow of jobs reduced. 721 00:45:55,770 --> 00:45:56,770 I mean, really. 722 00:45:57,150 --> 00:46:02,590 Who wants to go into a theater and pay eight bucks to watch some guy who you 723 00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:03,790 think killed somebody? 724 00:46:04,070 --> 00:46:05,069 Were we angry? 725 00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:06,070 Absolutely. 726 00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:08,970 Were we surprised? 727 00:46:09,590 --> 00:46:10,590 Not really. 728 00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:17,670 I've known Michael since before he was born. And it's just not 729 00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:24,370 possible that this boy, this man I know, could ever have 730 00:46:24,370 --> 00:46:29,550 raised his hand to harm another person. And I don't really know why they're 731 00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:30,529 going after Michael. 732 00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:32,750 Except maybe they've seen too many of his movies. 733 00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:38,150 You know, they might think he really is a guy that could cut off some cop's ear 734 00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:41,670 and throw him in the trunk. I think because I've played a lot of characters 735 00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:48,450 are rather nefarious, I think 736 00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:53,270 maybe, you know, people sometimes think I'm really that way. They think I must 737 00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:54,270 be that guy. 738 00:46:54,430 --> 00:47:00,830 Michael has been perfecting that persona of bad boy since he was 12. 739 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,780 It's just, you know, it's not... Michael and I really don't speak. 740 00:47:08,220 --> 00:47:11,040 Revenge, that's one of my motives for sure. 741 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,800 And, I mean, really, what's wrong with that? 742 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,280 Why do you think Michael was acting that way? 743 00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:18,560 It was righteous indignation. 744 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,420 He didn't feel ashamed. 745 00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:25,460 And his response was completely natural, considering all the outrageousness of 746 00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:28,400 the bull that Dant wrote and that he published. 747 00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:33,170 I think when anybody is attacked... in the way that Michael has been in the 748 00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:34,390 press by Dan. 749 00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:37,530 I think most of us would do the same. 750 00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:40,230 Today, nobody cares about the truth. 751 00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:42,490 Everything is spin. 752 00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:44,530 They don't care who they take out. 753 00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:48,230 It's next week, it's another guy. They really don't care. 754 00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:51,790 They have to sell their newspapers. 755 00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:56,690 I think the most important thing in life is to tell the truth and to be able to 756 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:57,850 put your head on your pillow at night. 757 00:47:58,530 --> 00:48:02,620 Sam Peckinpah used to say, I want to enter my house justified. 758 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,380 You can walk through the door of your house and you know you've done your best 759 00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:09,700 and you know you've given the world your best shot. 760 00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:12,900 Enter your house justified. 761 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,960 I think Sam said it better than I could. 762 00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:19,420 I know you mad because we both committed the same crime. 763 00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:28,390 That's what it's all about, that camaraderie, friends, making a 764 00:49:30,190 --> 00:49:35,810 I mean, we were friends, but I probably shouldn't be surprised that's changed 765 00:49:35,810 --> 00:49:36,810 now. 766 00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:38,650 I mean, 767 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,440 Dexter. 768 00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:46,460 Dexter. 769 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,780 All right, settle down, Dexter. 770 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,240 She has red hair just like you. Can you get the mic off? Can you get the mic 771 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:10,240 off? 772 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,940 I'm so glad I woke up. 773 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:12,519 I'm so glad I woke up. 774 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,640 I'm so glad I woke up. You want some coffee or something? 775 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000 No. 776 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,200 I gotta go take a shower. 777 00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:25,080 It's that glare down there. 778 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,680 Are you guys seeing what I'm hearing? What? What's going on? What is that in 779 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,680 that van? 780 00:50:30,299 --> 00:50:31,700 I'm going in. I'm going in. 781 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,760 Mark, 782 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:41,380 what did I say about coming to 783 00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:42,299 my house? 784 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:43,580 Huh? Huh? 785 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,520 Pick up your camera, bitch. 786 00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:49,020 Are you crazy? 787 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,560 I'm fucking filming you. What are your fucking problems? 788 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,700 Get out of here. You're going to get hurt. Come on. You're going to get 789 00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,920 up. I'm going to let your girlfriend protect you. You're going to love this. 790 00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:00,390 Love it. Madsen? 791 00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:02,390 You working for Madsen? 792 00:51:02,590 --> 00:51:03,590 Aw. Huh? 793 00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:05,170 Hope. Please. 794 00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:11,770 It was Dexter who spilled the beans about Mr. Madsen. 795 00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:16,330 That whole baseball bat incident, it was absurd. 796 00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:21,550 Any doubts I had about this project were completely confirmed. 797 00:51:22,610 --> 00:51:23,870 That's when I should have gotten out. 798 00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:25,070 What a dick, man. 799 00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:28,390 But I didn't. Like a billion car, man. It's like a girl car. 800 00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:31,700 I've been in there all day. 801 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,640 Lunch! 802 00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:36,640 About time, bitch! 803 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,680 Take it! 804 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:42,900 I can't believe that dickhead has a corner office. 805 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:45,100 I don't think it's coming out. 806 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,340 What is it? 807 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,440 Not that I rely on Nazi rationalizations or anything, but I 808 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,120 really was only doing my job. 809 00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:18,820 I admit, more now than then, so I'm not conveniently revising history or 810 00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:19,820 anything, but... 811 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,060 Yeah. I knew we were crossing ethical lines. 812 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,520 But I had to keep everything and everyone focused. 813 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:36,140 And sometimes with a small crew like this, the lines get blurred, those guys 814 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,040 forget. I'm the director. 815 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,340 Whoa! I see the pussy's got a new camera. 816 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:45,500 I'll bring my bat to work from now on. 817 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,360 You can't stop us, Dan. 818 00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:48,840 Yeah, the restraining order's on its way. 819 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,120 Thank you. 820 00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:53,620 He does his own stunt. Fuck you, motherfucker. 821 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,660 Have a great day. 822 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,360 I mean, they're all pussies, man. Pissing and moaning. 823 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,600 They had no idea what I was talking about. You know, like being in the film, 824 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,440 living the film, becoming the film. 825 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,580 I mean, that's the road I was going down, man. You know, that's pure. 826 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,080 That's what I believe in. 827 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,440 And this was bigger than the holier -than -thou Jackie agenda or Mark's 828 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,680 intellectuals -only club. 829 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,860 You know, I say, if you don't let the film take over, you're a fraud, man. 830 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,440 You want to say something? What? 831 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,340 I'm sorry. I felt like... That chick was still in there. 832 00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:32,800 In your dreams. 833 00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:35,780 Joe? You wish. 834 00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:38,260 He's a bot. 835 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,520 He never comes out to play again. 836 00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:48,040 Mark, what are you doing? 837 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,380 I got a hotspot. I'm just checking email. 838 00:53:50,940 --> 00:53:54,040 All right, well, it's your turn to get the food. Okay, what do you want? I'll 839 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,180 in. You guys just sit tight. 840 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,320 Fiji water. 841 00:53:57,980 --> 00:53:58,980 Okay. Please. 842 00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:00,260 Jack? 843 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:07,160 Some cupcake and some saco. I'm tired. 844 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,440 Okay. 845 00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:10,880 Oh, and some orange juice. 846 00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:12,660 What? For breakfast. 847 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,660 Fine. Vitamin C, right? 848 00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:19,580 Right. 849 00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:24,210 Mark. I took my email, I got hotspot. 850 00:54:59,799 --> 00:55:01,620 I wish we would have done this sooner. 851 00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:05,020 Yeah, we've never been single at the same time. 852 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,960 The kids? 853 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,040 The kids got blown way out of proportion. 854 00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:22,690 It hurts that Mark did that, especially since we've been friends for a really 855 00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:23,690 long time. 856 00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:28,490 I felt like he did that at my expense, even though I know he was just trying to 857 00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:29,490 get back at Dexter. 858 00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:31,930 I'm not embarrassed by it. 859 00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:36,450 But it was an invasion of my privacy, especially since all the shows and 860 00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:38,210 magazines made such a big deal out of it. 861 00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:40,810 It was nothing. 862 00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:43,390 Really. 863 00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:45,610 It was nothing. 864 00:55:47,170 --> 00:55:48,250 It was a moment. 865 00:55:48,590 --> 00:55:49,810 I mean, that whole thing, you know? 866 00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:54,510 I mean, I don't know. Jackie could be condescending sometimes, but she's a 867 00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:55,510 hottie, man. No doubt. 868 00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:57,490 I mean, I like her. I do. She's cool. 869 00:56:01,230 --> 00:56:04,770 Hey, man, she's doing great now after all this, and that makes me really 870 00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:12,070 Like so many things dealing with art and expression, you can never tell where 871 00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:14,530 things are going to go. You can never tell what path they're going to take. 872 00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:16,350 This is why I decided. 873 00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:21,280 to include more of the Hollywood Three than I originally intended. 874 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,560 They became the story as much as Dant did. 875 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,220 To quote my friend, Dexter Hilt, life imitates art and art imitates life. 876 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:37,380 Billy, Billy, Billy Dant was imitating a celebrity. 877 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,960 That's the norm, I guess, for a lot of the paparazzi. They think if they rub 878 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,580 elbows enough with these people that it's gonna... 879 00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:48,670 Turn them into a celebrity, like, through some kind of osmosis or 880 00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:51,090 Life imitates art. 881 00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:54,830 It almost seems written. 882 00:56:58,170 --> 00:57:00,050 Get in, all right? Deck three, you in? Okay. 883 00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:01,610 Jackie, get in. Give me that. Right. 884 00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:04,850 Come on, get in quickly. Now, get the door. Okay. Get the door. 885 00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:07,730 Okay. 886 00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:08,970 All right. 887 00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:10,460 Dexter, keep tape rolling. 888 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,560 It is like I cut it. Okay, now get a shot of me. 889 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,960 Get a shot of me. You got me? Okay, now listen. First, this is what I want to 890 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,040 do. I want to get this all on tape right now before we forget anything. I want 891 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,000 an immediate document from all of us of what just happened. You got him, Dick? 892 00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:25,880 After yesterday, I thought he wouldn't have shown his face for a while. 893 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,360 I wonder who he's stalking. 894 00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:36,760 Dexter, what's happening? 895 00:57:37,530 --> 00:57:40,870 What is he doing? He's walking the limo driver, I think. 896 00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:44,030 What? Yeah, he's walking the limo. 897 00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:50,110 This was not our fault. Right. Yeah. Video document is to prove that. Okay, 898 00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:51,110 is what happened. 899 00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:56,450 Okay. Dan, he gets out of his car to chase Paige Davis. We jump out of the 900 00:57:56,550 --> 00:57:57,990 We approach him. He sees us. 901 00:57:58,190 --> 00:58:02,110 He has a fit. He plows through us to get back to his car. He's upset because 902 00:58:02,110 --> 00:58:05,750 we're there. So he takes off in his car down. 903 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,500 The driveway and runs are over, right? 904 00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:09,780 Does Chad have something? 905 00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:13,820 Oh, yeah. 906 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,240 Oh, yeah. 907 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,820 Yeah. Without my friends, is it payoff? 908 00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:20,220 Unbelievable. 909 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,180 Oh, this must be really big. Stay sharp. 910 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,520 Stay sharp. 911 00:58:33,940 --> 00:58:35,120 Where's the driver going? 912 00:58:36,779 --> 00:58:37,779 Hey, y 'all. 913 00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:40,420 Oh, he's going. He's going. He's going. 914 00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:44,340 That's not what happened. Dexter got in Dan's sweat. That is not what I saw. 915 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,200 Dan, it's the one who hit her. No, you weren't even looking that way. I was. 916 00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:50,040 We all saw the same thing. Yeah, but some of us had our eyes open. Yo, I had 917 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,900 lens on. It's everything you're both saying. It's all bullshit anyway. All I 918 00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:55,200 do is look at the tape. That's what people are going to believe. 919 00:58:56,980 --> 00:58:57,980 Isn't that Paige Davis? 920 00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:00,100 I don't know. I can't tell. I don't think so. Yeah, it's her. 921 00:59:00,380 --> 00:59:01,400 Keep up, Dex. Come on. 922 00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:06,410 Oh my god, nose job, nose job. 923 00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:09,230 Hey! Get out of here, man! 924 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:12,130 Get out of here, please! How did you know that this David was here? Shut up! 925 00:59:12,490 --> 00:59:14,190 That's his clinic. It's his clinic. Get out of my face! 926 00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:17,890 What are you telling me? Is this the limo driver? You assholes are messing 927 00:59:17,890 --> 00:59:19,410 my money now! You understand that? 928 00:59:20,350 --> 00:59:22,690 Put the camera down! 929 00:59:23,050 --> 00:59:24,690 Fine! Put it down! 930 00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:26,590 Shut the fuck up! 931 00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:28,350 God damn it! 932 00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:30,310 I'm putting the camera down! 933 00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:31,590 Just relax! 934 00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:33,190 God damn it! 935 00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:38,410 How did you get it? We had an effect on the outcome. 936 00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:43,030 Bullshit! If we were never there, if we were never taping, none of this would 937 00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:45,570 have happened. Of course it would have. Dan would have still been there. I mean, 938 00:59:45,610 --> 00:59:48,190 uh, Paige Davis would have still come out and tell things. Whatever! 939 00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:51,890 Okay, Dan is going to tell the police it was our fault. Oh, no, this is Dan. 940 00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:56,130 Can you tell me, is this your definition of journalist marketing? Do you have 941 00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:58,130 anything better to do? Driving? Do something else! 942 00:59:58,450 --> 00:59:59,450 Lead me away! 943 01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:02,420 Please, take all the photos you want, Mr. Dan. Sure, of course. 944 01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:06,180 Tell me, is the Lord involved or not for you in this fantastic journalism? 945 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:08,100 I know what to do. 946 01:00:08,620 --> 01:00:11,700 The only way that we're going to guarantee that it will be a dance floor 947 01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:13,380 ours is to erase the tape. 948 01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:15,140 What? Are you kidding me? 949 01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:18,560 This stuff is gold. Are you talking about erasing the tape? I mean... 950 01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:23,500 How many times, seriously, how many times has someone been on the scene of a 951 01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:26,860 major accident with a major celebrity and gotten it all on tape? Get out of 952 01:00:26,860 --> 01:00:27,860 way! One more question. 953 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,920 Can you tell me? 954 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,640 Fucking asshole! 955 01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:33,220 Shit! 956 01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:37,560 I said, sir, are you all right? Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. 957 01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:41,740 I'm sorry. Are you all right? 958 01:00:42,220 --> 01:00:46,200 Where the fuck were you? Now you want to help me, you fucking dick! 959 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,420 God damn it! 960 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:48,960 Did somebody call me? 961 01:00:55,150 --> 01:01:00,290 We are giving the tape to the police. No. Are you guys fucking crazy? I mean, 962 01:01:00,330 --> 01:01:04,610 seriously. Erase the tape. Give it to the police. We can make a killing here, 963 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:06,110 man. I mean, seriously. 964 01:01:06,450 --> 01:01:09,510 Abe Zabruder, for Christ's sake. Abe fucking Zabruder. You think you're 965 01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:12,790 overstating it a lot? That is totally unadulterated exploitation. 966 01:01:13,570 --> 01:01:17,590 No shit. Shut up. Shut up. We're erasing the tape. 967 01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:20,710 Here I was coming out of a doctor's office. 968 01:01:22,510 --> 01:01:25,570 Silly, it happened, playing volleyball while vacationing with family. 969 01:01:27,110 --> 01:01:32,470 Suddenly, Billy Dan is all over me, and the next thing I know, I'm bounced off 970 01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:33,530 the hood of his car. 971 01:01:34,310 --> 01:01:38,530 We argued about it for hours, but we kept going in circles. 972 01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:43,710 The only thing we could agree on was to stay hidden and keep the footage under 973 01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:45,270 wraps until a decision was reached. 974 01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:50,810 I should have known that something was fundamentally wrong with the universe. 975 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,100 When it was Dexter who came up with the idea to give it until morning and not 976 01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:57,640 make any rash decisions. 977 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,960 We were supposed to meet up, Jackie, Dexter, and I, the next morning. 978 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,580 But Dexter never showed. 979 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,920 And the next thing I know, the Paige Davis footage is all over the news. 980 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,740 Reports on the radio everywhere. 981 01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:11,800 My phone started ringing off the hook. 982 01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:16,160 Yeah, I thought Dexter had given everything to the press. You know, a 983 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,500 buck. But then... 984 01:02:19,259 --> 01:02:22,800 Later, I found out that he had given everything to Madsen. 985 01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:28,960 The first thing I did was call my lawyer. 986 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,020 After I got hit by Billy Dant, I got flowers from Michael. 987 01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:36,920 And, you know, he paid all my hospital bills. 988 01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:40,940 He came to visit. He told me the role he had played in this whole thing. I told 989 01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:42,040 him it wasn't his fault. 990 01:02:42,340 --> 01:02:45,040 But he felt responsible, and he wanted to make things right. 991 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,940 He was so nice and upfront about what he's trying to do, not just for himself, 992 01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:52,680 but for all of us. 993 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,000 Celebrities, I mean. 994 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,000 That was all for, you know, keeping it real. I mean, to me, the whole point of 995 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,580 documenting something is so someone else can see it, you know? 996 01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,680 So I don't know what they're complaining about. Not only was this the biggest 997 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,440 story of the year, it was the most publicity any of us ever got. 998 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,400 So I'm glad Michael released the footage to the press. It's like, go. 999 01:03:13,540 --> 01:03:15,060 You know, I think in the future, 1000 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,500 As much as for the roles he's played, Michael will be remembered for what he 1001 01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:21,940 for all of us in the public eye. 1002 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,940 Welcome back to the 411 and TV Guide Channel's year -end look -back special. 1003 01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:28,940 Madison McDowell. 1004 01:03:29,340 --> 01:03:34,200 Fireworks usually only come on the 4th of July, but the explosion started in 1005 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,760 for Hollywood veteran Michael Madsen. 1006 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,100 That's when he turned the tables on celebrity scandal hound Billy Dance in 1007 01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:45,200 infamous Madsen the Murderer story. 1008 01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:50,580 Losing his day in court and the battle of public opinion, Madsen decided he had 1009 01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:54,700 nothing left to lose by bringing the fight to Dance's doorstep, literally. 1010 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,600 Discovering the talent behind the award -winning film fest favorite Deadly 1011 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:05,760 Veneer, Madsen hired his own dream team of three tireless documentarians to fix 1012 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,060 their aim squarely on Billy Dance's life, love, and trouble. 1013 01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:15,400 The result, the overnight celebrity of the trio now known collectively as the 1014 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,660 Hollywood Three, Mark Pollard, Jackie Stark, and Dexter Hilt. 1015 01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:25,150 The dramatic turn of events that shot the three, Madsen and Billy Dan, deep 1016 01:04:25,150 --> 01:04:29,590 scandal and superstardom? On May 26th, Cade Davidson, the hit show Trading 1017 01:04:29,590 --> 01:04:33,590 Spaces, had more than a volleyball injury to contend with. 1018 01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:39,390 As seen in this now legendary footage, Dan's attempt to photograph Davidson was 1019 01:04:39,390 --> 01:04:41,510 undone by the Hollywood Three. 1020 01:04:42,130 --> 01:04:47,150 That's when the crazed paparazzo used his car as a weapon to get his second 1021 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:48,150 photo op. 1022 01:04:48,220 --> 01:04:52,820 Dant was arrested, tried, and convicted of reckless endangerment and assault. 1023 01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:58,480 In a case that defines Swiss just desserts, Dant was sentenced to three 1024 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,720 a correctional facility on August 22nd. But this story was just getting started 1025 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,100 for the Hollywood Three. With the buzz surrounding Madsen's movie, working 1026 01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:13,280 title, Being Michael Madsen, and the resulting allegations of payola between 1027 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,660 tabloids and the big studios, the press turned its gaze. 1028 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,080 the documentarian who put Dant behind bars. 1029 01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:24,820 In a media frenzy of biblical proportions, the Hollywood three became 1030 01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:25,900 overnight sensation. 1031 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:31,260 But it's Michael Madsen, the man who started it all, or should I say finished 1032 01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:33,720 it, who'll definitely have the last laugh. 1033 01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:39,280 In a 411 exclusive, TV Guide Channel discovered that a rough cut screening 1034 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,180 industry A -listers kicked off an unprecedented bidding war between all 1035 01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:45,180 major studios. 1036 01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:50,470 The winner is still undisclosed, but rumor has it the final bid is the 1037 01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:53,730 price ever paid to acquire an independent motion picture. 1038 01:05:54,270 --> 01:05:59,370 Bootleg copies are already flooding the market, but even this small cloud has a 1039 01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:00,690 silver lining for Madsen. 1040 01:06:00,950 --> 01:06:02,210 The critical consensus? 1041 01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:07,250 Being Michael Madsen pushes the limits of documentary and independent 1042 01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:13,210 in an unprecedented exploration of what critics have now coined hyper -reality. 1043 01:06:13,310 --> 01:06:18,600 And I quote, Madsen's genius film goes beyond all conventional boundaries to 1044 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,440 deconstruct cinematic artifice into a self -creating hyper -reality as the 1045 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,360 itself becomes the film itself. 1046 01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:28,260 I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds important. 1047 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,700 All this acclaim amidst rumors that it was actually Madsen and his people who 1048 01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:33,700 leaked the bootleg. 1049 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,560 So just how many steps ahead of everybody else is Michael Madsen? 1050 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,820 They say he's going to add footage to his film right up to the minute before 1051 01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:44,640 official release to chronicle its own publicity. 1052 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,040 So I wonder if this will make me a movie star. 1053 01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:51,420 For more of the 411 Watch TV Guide Channel's exclusive interview with 1054 01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:56,160 Madsen, followed by a rare interview with the reclusive Jackie Stark of the 1055 01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:00,580 Hollywood tree. I felt it was this big, complex thing. 1056 01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:04,650 The Paige Davis footage, should we destroy it, give it to the authorities, 1057 01:07:04,790 --> 01:07:05,870 deliver it to Mr. Madsen? 1058 01:07:08,070 --> 01:07:09,570 Turns out it wasn't complex at all. 1059 01:07:10,990 --> 01:07:15,390 Dexter's betrayal showed us all how easy it is to become an overnight sensation. 1060 01:07:15,850 --> 01:07:18,170 It's hard for me to believe that I am famous. 1061 01:07:18,690 --> 01:07:21,310 It's just not something that I think about at all. 1062 01:07:21,610 --> 01:07:26,570 The obsession with the trivial that the public has, 1063 01:07:26,830 --> 01:07:30,170 that's what's fascinating to me. 1064 01:07:32,059 --> 01:07:37,060 And I just think, well, okay, if you want to take these pictures, but what is 1065 01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:38,060 the value? 1066 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,040 What are you really seeing? 1067 01:07:40,740 --> 01:07:42,060 It often makes me laugh. 1068 01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,300 Well, I want to be the next Doc Fujimoto. 1069 01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:48,580 I want to be the next Roger Deakins. You know what I mean? I want to be the 1070 01:07:48,580 --> 01:07:52,020 best. I'm not saying I'm the best. I'm still working on my craft, and I'm going 1071 01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:55,120 to get better and better. But people feel like now because there's little 1072 01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,500 digital cameras, they can make a freaking movie. It's like you're a 1073 01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:00,120 idiot. You know what I mean? 1074 01:08:00,570 --> 01:08:06,530 There's a lot to this. There's a certain level, I think career -wise, that some 1075 01:08:06,530 --> 01:08:07,910 of the fame has helped with, definitely. 1076 01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:12,290 I just feel like fame, it's like whatever you're hungry for, you feed on. 1077 01:08:12,790 --> 01:08:16,050 And whatever you feed on, you get hungry for and more hungry for. 1078 01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:20,470 I don't feed on it. I think there are plenty of people who do. 1079 01:08:20,830 --> 01:08:23,790 I don't think it serves my work. 1080 01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:28,010 I'm not doing this to be famous. I don't mind it, but... 1081 01:08:28,750 --> 01:08:32,830 It's like, this is who I am. Giving the Paige Davis footage to Madsen was 1082 01:08:32,830 --> 01:08:34,770 definitely a brave thing to do. 1083 01:08:35,370 --> 01:08:36,470 Yeah, brave, but stupid. 1084 01:08:37,670 --> 01:08:41,410 We were fortunate to be able to become witnesses for the prosecution and have 1085 01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:42,870 the charges against us dropped. 1086 01:08:44,529 --> 01:08:51,189 You know, I have to admit, what irks me the most is being 1087 01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:54,069 outsmarted by an idiot like Dexter. 1088 01:08:55,290 --> 01:08:58,170 Well, I've been accused of being loyal to a fault, you know. 1089 01:08:58,860 --> 01:09:03,060 Maybe so, but all I know is Michael was paying the bills, and Mark and Jackie. 1090 01:09:03,779 --> 01:09:07,340 You know? I didn't have some scheme mapped out in my head, but when Mark 1091 01:09:07,340 --> 01:09:10,979 had to destroy the footage, I was like, uh, no way, man. 1092 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:12,920 But I didn't say that out loud. 1093 01:09:13,979 --> 01:09:14,979 Something in my gut. 1094 01:09:16,180 --> 01:09:17,960 And I owed it to Michael to deliver the goods. 1095 01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:20,738 Wouldn't you? 1096 01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:21,740 No, no, no. 1097 01:09:22,180 --> 01:09:23,279 I don't blame him. 1098 01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:25,920 I wouldn't give that idiot the credit. 1099 01:09:27,820 --> 01:09:28,820 Dexter's all balls. 1100 01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:30,020 No brains. 1101 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,580 He was just following orders, kissing up to Madsen. Madsen is the one who 1102 01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:35,700 brought it all to the media. 1103 01:09:35,979 --> 01:09:37,340 I hate what we did to Billy Dan. 1104 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,800 And I hate what Dexter did to me. 1105 01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:48,319 I don't even like being here right now, talking to you. I mean, this is not how 1106 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:49,319 I envisioned my life. 1107 01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:51,460 Fame? 1108 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,479 Fame is an illusion. 1109 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:56,860 What's worse, though, is... 1110 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,820 I mean, yes, I have a career from all of this now, and I am grateful. 1111 01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:12,000 But I... I will always be known as one of the Hollywood Three. I will 1112 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,320 never be known for my work, just who I am. 1113 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,560 And I don't even feel like I earned it. 1114 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,200 I was just in the wrong place at the right time. 1115 01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,200 We all got what we wanted, man. 1116 01:10:29,460 --> 01:10:32,600 I mean, Michael got me hired to shoot all the second unit stuff on his next 1117 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,300 studio movie. And after that, I'm DPing an indie feature financed by Lionsgate. 1118 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,320 Mark, he's doing a TV pilot, some reality show that's going to be picked 1119 01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,300 sure now that everybody knows his name. 1120 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,780 And Jackie, she's self -financing an Eagles of the Media documentary with all 1121 01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:50,840 the money she's raked in from her website, you know? 1122 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,080 And I don't understand e -commerce, but I know that two million hits a month? 1123 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:59,080 There's nothing to sneeze at. So, you know, like, hey, more power to her. 1124 01:10:59,940 --> 01:11:01,980 So really, what do any of us have to complain about? 1125 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,020 I mean, we're lucky, man. We're all fucking rich and famous now, right? 1126 01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:08,820 We all got lucky. 1127 01:11:11,380 --> 01:11:14,500 Lucky we didn't end up in a jail cell right next to Billy Dan's. 1128 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,480 Well, has your conviction, your time in prison changed you at all? 1129 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,540 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. 1130 01:11:22,730 --> 01:11:26,310 I won't be taking pictures or writing gossip when I get out. 1131 01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:29,070 I'm writing a book now. 1132 01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:31,330 I'm going to tell the truth. 1133 01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:35,710 See, a picture only shows one moment in time. That proves nothing. 1134 01:11:37,090 --> 01:11:38,350 I'm going to tell the whole story. 1135 01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:40,650 Beginning, middle, end. 1136 01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:42,450 Show every side. 1137 01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:44,070 Give it all context. 1138 01:11:46,030 --> 01:11:50,710 God will open up the heavens and let the chips fall where they may. 1139 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,100 See, I will not only be vindicated, I will be triumphant. 1140 01:11:58,020 --> 01:12:02,140 And all of those that have tried and still seek to hold me down, they will be 1141 01:12:02,140 --> 01:12:06,640 proven wrong. See, they thought they were taking on a weakling, a man of no 1142 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:07,640 substance. 1143 01:12:07,820 --> 01:12:13,100 So though you seek to silence and shackle me, my words will rise above the 1144 01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:14,100 that oppress us all. 1145 01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:16,680 I will be the flame in the darkness. 1146 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,960 I will right the wrong. 1147 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,260 W -R -I -T -E. Right. 1148 01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:26,380 My camera used to be my weapon of choice. 1149 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,000 Now the pen will be my sword. 1150 01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:35,040 The truth will blaze across the page, igniting the minds of all that have the 1151 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,120 courage to read my word. 1152 01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:43,020 The truth will burn into the hearts of America, starting a fire the likes of 1153 01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:44,600 which have not been seen since Rome. 1154 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,720 quaking in fear at the coming of Christ. 1155 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,900 Because my path is the path of righteousness itself. 1156 01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:55,180 It's funny I used to be on your side over there with the camera. 1157 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,000 But those days are done. 1158 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:03,400 We know that because of pending litigation that we can't and you can't 1159 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,500 publication, but... 1160 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,620 Do you think that your magazine's decision to renounce Billy Dan had a 1161 01:13:08,620 --> 01:13:12,120 on his trial and further illustrates the inherent disloyalty in your profession? 1162 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,500 No. No, I don't think that at all. We didn't renounce him, first of all. We 1163 01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:17,960 canned his ass. His head had gotten way too big. 1164 01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:22,200 Paige Davis, that was just icing on the cake. And the truth is that way before 1165 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,300 this whole scandal, this guy was losing it. 1166 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,580 He was losing it as a journalist as well as a man. And anybody who knew him 1167 01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:32,160 before knew that he was way up on that slippery slope before he started calling 1168 01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,160 himself Billy Dan. 1169 01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:37,790 And on the alleged link between tabloid journalism and the big studios, is it 1170 01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:41,530 true that you receive tips on locations and activities of celebrities? Oh, 1171 01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:44,910 that's some investigative reporting you got going there. Who hipped you to that? 1172 01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:47,530 Listen, I'm not saying anything about that. 1173 01:13:47,950 --> 01:13:50,650 Just know that one hand washes the other. You know what I mean? 1174 01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:55,490 And you don't feel any guilt over exploiting one of your former employees, 1175 01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:59,050 Dan? No, I don't feel any guilt at all. In fact, if anything, I think it shows 1176 01:13:59,050 --> 01:14:02,970 and proves exactly how fair we are. It shows how objective this is. 1177 01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:06,130 Oops, I guess you're going to have to bleep that. 1178 01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:11,010 Listen, how many legitimate so -called news agencies out there would even 1179 01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:15,610 acknowledge an association with a guy like Dan? We did. We owned up to it. It 1180 01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:19,910 shows how fair we are. We go out for the truth, we find it, and we report it. 1181 01:14:21,730 --> 01:14:25,870 And now, for one last surprise. 1182 01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:30,670 Did you know Mr. Dan? 1183 01:14:31,450 --> 01:14:32,970 Oh, I knew Mr. Dance, yes. 1184 01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:35,490 Or did I say he knew me? 1185 01:14:36,690 --> 01:14:39,290 I was at the scene, you know, that bar on La Brea. 1186 01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:41,030 And Mr. 1187 01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:46,710 Dance heard me saying that I had met Mr. Madsen when I was working as an 1188 01:14:46,710 --> 01:14:48,210 atmosphere artist on one of his films. 1189 01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:52,230 So Mr. Dance came over and he was talking to me. And, you know, of course, 1190 01:14:52,230 --> 01:14:56,730 thinking he's just trying to pick me up. But it never really went in that 1191 01:14:56,730 --> 01:14:57,730 direction. 1192 01:14:58,030 --> 01:15:01,750 So we would, you know, talk sometimes and see each other around, and he'd 1193 01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:03,850 and, you know, we'd grab coffee and talk. 1194 01:15:05,070 --> 01:15:10,810 At that point, things were really bad for me, money -wise. 1195 01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:17,030 I was behind on rent and bills, and I owed people money who were nice enough 1196 01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:19,430 help me out, and I just didn't know what to do. 1197 01:15:20,030 --> 01:15:24,970 So my friend called, an old friend, and said that she could get me a factory job 1198 01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:26,550 in Oklahoma where she was living. 1199 01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:28,690 and that I could just live in her trailer with her. 1200 01:15:29,130 --> 01:15:32,990 So I told Mr. Dan that I was going to go, but I didn't even have money for bus 1201 01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:35,970 fare, and, well, he gave it to me. 1202 01:15:36,570 --> 01:15:38,110 No strings attached, he said. 1203 01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:41,330 Was that all he gave you? Just enough for bus fare? 1204 01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:42,910 Oh, yes, that was all. 1205 01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:47,190 But I don't understand why you would leave all your belongings behind. 1206 01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:50,710 Well, I can't take them on the bus with me, silly. 1207 01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:54,550 Why so long for you to come forward? 1208 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,920 You have to remember, I was in a trailer with no TV or anything. 1209 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:05,640 I mean, I had left without telling anyone because I was so ashamed and, you 1210 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,880 know, feeling like a loser because I hadn't made it in the movie business and 1211 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,300 owing all of those people all that money and they trusted me and I was working 1212 01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:17,740 really, really hard just trying to get ahead and, you know, get ahead so I 1213 01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:18,740 pay everybody back. 1214 01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:23,480 You have no idea how shocked I was when I found out about Mr. Dance's trial 1215 01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:25,910 and... And then I was supposed to be dead? 1216 01:16:27,190 --> 01:16:28,890 I had to come back and make it right. 1217 01:16:29,770 --> 01:16:34,510 I mean, I can only assume that Mr. Dent used my unfortunate circumstance to get 1218 01:16:34,510 --> 01:16:39,290 back at Mr. Madsen, and I don't think that was a very nice thing to do. 1219 01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:47,030 And as you can see, I'm alive as can be. 1220 01:16:49,130 --> 01:16:51,350 Is there anything else you might like to say? 1221 01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:58,080 Oh, I would just like to take this time to tell you that it was an honor and a 1222 01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,780 pleasure to work on this documentary. 1223 01:17:00,380 --> 01:17:04,980 And please tell Mr. Madsen that it was an honor and a pleasure to come and 1224 01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:05,980 him all my help. 1225 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,720 And I hope he thinks about me when he does another film. 1226 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,500 Some might say you were playing both ends against the middle. 1227 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,320 No. 1228 01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:17,660 No. 1229 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:20,560 No, no, no. 1230 01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:30,440 So you see, everyone wins, or should I say, everyone becomes a star. 1231 01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:35,700 This is a good example of this whole thing that's happened to me, about 1232 01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:36,700 the truth come out. 1233 01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,020 And I think it was pretty creative. 1234 01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:42,820 But now I just want to put it all behind me. 1235 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,200 I just want to be done with it. 1236 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:51,440 With all the problems that are in the world right now, I mean, I mean, does it 1237 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:52,440 really matter? 1238 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,080 I guess I just feel lucky. 1239 01:17:56,219 --> 01:18:02,640 Blessed, really, to be in the business of making people happy. 1240 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,620 When it was finally all over, 1241 01:18:45,780 --> 01:18:50,300 you know, it was still all about, you know, Michael, Michael, Michael. You 1242 01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:56,300 it's Michael world, you know. And, I mean, I'm like, hello, who got the 1243 01:18:56,300 --> 01:18:57,300 nomination? 1244 01:19:01,980 --> 01:19:03,420 What do I want on my team still? 1245 01:19:04,420 --> 01:19:05,420 Well, 1246 01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:08,340 I don't want them to write the guy from Reservoir Dog. 1247 01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:11,660 You know, I'd like you to please tell Mr. Madsen. 1248 01:19:12,140 --> 01:19:13,560 That I appreciate. 1249 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:15,800 Sorry. 1250 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:17,760 So close! 1251 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:25,120 I want to do this. I have to refer to my nose. Nobody knows what I'm talking 1252 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,540 about. I mean, they sort of know, but... I know it's better. 1253 01:19:32,260 --> 01:19:33,260 See, 1254 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,580 it works so much better now. 1255 01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:38,160 What's your take on children? 1256 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:41,600 On what? 1257 01:19:41,690 --> 01:19:42,690 Children? 1258 01:19:43,890 --> 01:19:44,890 They're little. 1259 01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:46,430 Good night. 1260 01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:48,990 Let's get some beds in here. 1261 01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:52,030 Can I do the whole thing in a bed? 1262 01:19:53,490 --> 01:19:57,790 Give me a bed. Let's start from the beginning and reshoot the whole fucking 1263 01:19:57,790 --> 01:19:58,790 thing in a bed. 1264 01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:07,890 Are you done? 1265 01:20:08,490 --> 01:20:10,570 Whatever that low -life daint gift, 1266 01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:12,850 He deserves. 1267 01:20:14,610 --> 01:20:15,610 Dan. Dan. 1268 01:20:17,790 --> 01:20:19,490 Whatever that lowlife Dan gets. 1269 01:20:25,570 --> 01:20:27,450 Sorry, man, I've got an itch on my taint. 1270 01:20:28,430 --> 01:20:34,070 You know, I think the rags, I think we call them, I guess they got their place 1271 01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:35,850 because I know a lot of people are reading them. 1272 01:20:37,150 --> 01:20:40,430 Without them, we wouldn't have had Men in Black. 1273 01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:46,480 You know, all the stories about two -headed babies and creatures from outer 1274 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:47,480 space. 1275 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,600 And, you know, Michael is a creature from outer space, that's for sure. 1276 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,740 I don't want any blue M &Ms on the set. 1277 01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:55,900 I'm going to leave. 1278 01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,680 I want my dog in the shot. 1279 01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:04,140 I want everyone to wear green shirts or I'm leaving. 1280 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,900 I want everyone to wear turbans. 1281 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,000 Everyone has to wear turbans tomorrow. 1282 01:21:11,850 --> 01:21:13,350 But mine had a jewel on it. 1283 01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:16,290 Hang on. Just a minute. 1284 01:21:22,710 --> 01:21:23,810 Constantly with the texting. 1285 01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:28,110 Oh, embarrassing. 1286 01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:29,470 The texting. 1287 01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:32,070 Fuck off. 1288 01:21:32,350 --> 01:21:36,270 There's a little joke this guy had on his answering machine. He said, ladies 1289 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:37,430 gentlemen, the tale of wisdom. 1290 01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:40,590 The devil and his brand were approaching the village. 1291 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,420 Up ahead, the devil's friend saw a villager pick up a piece of truth. 1292 01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:48,900 He looked at the devil and said, did you see that? I saw it. 1293 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:54,380 The devil said, they just picked up a piece of truth. Isn't that bad for you? 1294 01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,440 And the devil said, oh no, I'm going to help him organize it. 1295 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,560 So we got religion. 1296 01:22:02,660 --> 01:22:05,820 And I don't know what kind of toilet paper Paul Newman uses, but that is the 1297 01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:06,779 problem today. 1298 01:22:06,780 --> 01:22:09,140 We know too much about it. Nobody knew whatever it was. 1299 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,340 Things that Gloria Swanson used in Betty Davis. It was the mystery of it all. 1300 01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:19,360 You should be filming this. The original intent, I felt, was a deconstruction of 1301 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,340 the whole patriarchal system that allowed for exploitative existence of 1302 01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:24,480 paparazzi in the first place. 1303 01:22:24,940 --> 01:22:30,540 What did I say, exploitative? I'm not the type to get all starstruck, but, 1304 01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:32,960 All right. 1305 01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:38,780 I'm not the type to get all starstruck, but I have to admit, uh... What the 1306 01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:44,820 fuck? The original intent, I felt, was a deconstruction of the whole patriarchal 1307 01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:49,340 system that allows for exploitative existence of the... Fuck. Giving the 1308 01:22:49,340 --> 01:22:52,720 Davis footage to Madsen was definitely a brave thing to do. 1309 01:22:53,380 --> 01:22:54,600 Brave but stupid. 1310 01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,820 We were fortunate. 1311 01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:04,980 The original intent, I felt, was a deconstruction of the whole patriarchal 1312 01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:08,000 system that allows for exploitative... Fuck me. 1313 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,700 Documentary? At the end of the day, documentary filmmaking hardly pays... 1314 01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:18,540 The original intent, I felt, was a deconstruction of the whole 1315 01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:23,780 patriarchal system that allows for the exploitative existence... 1316 01:23:23,780 --> 01:23:28,620 I feel like I'm on a fucking blooper. 1317 01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:33,440 Do you know when I walked in here, the first thing when I walked in for my 1318 01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:38,250 interview... with the huge Res Bar Dogs poster next to an Easy Rider poster. 1319 01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:42,450 I mean, it's like, okay, the classic we all know. 1320 01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:45,670 Oh. 1321 01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:47,150 We know. 1322 01:23:50,670 --> 01:23:51,670 That's classic. 1323 01:23:56,450 --> 01:23:57,690 Here's my words of wisdom. 109134

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