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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,672 --> 00:00:03,299 STEVEN SPIELBERG: I'm in Wilshire Boulevard, 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:03,382 --> 00:00:05,009 and I just came across a theater 4 00:00:05,092 --> 00:00:07,303 that has a very apropos sign. 5 00:00:07,386 --> 00:00:09,055 If you can read it, the sign says 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 7 00:00:09,138 --> 00:00:11,015 "Robert Shaw in Jaws." 8 00:00:11,098 --> 00:00:14,769 Also, "Take the Money and Run." 9 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,438 That's pretty funny, wouldn't you say? 10 00:00:18,147 --> 00:00:20,691 Well, there were all sorts of reasons for people going in, 11 00:00:20,775 --> 00:00:23,945 but the people coming out, they were ecstatic. 12 00:00:24,737 --> 00:00:26,489 Smoking lounge is sold out, 13 00:00:26,572 --> 00:00:29,367 seats downstairs in the first seven rows only. 14 00:00:29,909 --> 00:00:31,118 I was in New York at the time, 15 00:00:31,202 --> 00:00:32,495 and I went with two friends of mine, 16 00:00:32,578 --> 00:00:35,665 Janet Maslin and Albert Brooks. 17 00:00:36,707 --> 00:00:37,833 The three of us were in the car, 18 00:00:38,417 --> 00:00:39,877 going over to the Rivoli 19 00:00:40,461 --> 00:00:42,255 to see if there might be a line. 20 00:00:42,338 --> 00:00:46,050 MAN 1: The ticket holders' line went on and on. 21 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:47,885 It became this spectacle. 22 00:00:47,969 --> 00:00:49,845 I kept thinking, "Who are the lucky people 23 00:00:49,929 --> 00:00:51,639 that made this movie?" (LAUGHS) 24 00:00:51,722 --> 00:00:53,891 This shark, swallow you whole. 25 00:00:53,975 --> 00:00:56,060 WOMAN 1: Was it good? Very tasty. 26 00:00:56,143 --> 00:00:58,062 Bloody as hell. All these people got eaten up, you know. 27 00:00:58,145 --> 00:00:59,188 They just... Ah! 28 00:00:59,272 --> 00:01:01,816 The best I've seen in my life, the best movie. 29 00:01:01,899 --> 00:01:03,442 MAN 2: Fifty years, and we've come so far. 30 00:01:03,526 --> 00:01:06,821 We're still talking about Jaws and the effect and value 31 00:01:06,904 --> 00:01:09,657 of what that movie said and still says. 32 00:01:09,740 --> 00:01:12,702 I'll never forget walking into the theater, 33 00:01:12,785 --> 00:01:14,996 and all the lobby cards were on the wall. 34 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:18,207 And I thought, (GASPS) "That shark is huge." 35 00:01:19,417 --> 00:01:22,878 Part of the film's charm today is almost the nostalgia factor 36 00:01:22,962 --> 00:01:25,381 of remembering what it was like to see it then. 37 00:01:25,464 --> 00:01:26,799 (SCREAMS) 38 00:01:26,882 --> 00:01:28,634 It was sort of life-changing. 39 00:01:28,718 --> 00:01:30,511 At nine years old, I don't remember 40 00:01:30,595 --> 00:01:32,680 having an experience that was that visceral 41 00:01:32,763 --> 00:01:34,307 and that thrilling. 42 00:01:35,766 --> 00:01:38,644 The whole theater reacted like a musical instrument. 43 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:40,354 Ahhh! 44 00:01:42,106 --> 00:01:43,649 I read the book first, 45 00:01:43,733 --> 00:01:45,151 so I sort of knew what I was gonna see. 46 00:01:45,234 --> 00:01:48,029 MAN 3: Peter Benchley wrote a book called Jaws. 47 00:01:48,112 --> 00:01:49,488 A film was made from the book. 48 00:01:49,572 --> 00:01:51,449 It has already made more money 49 00:01:51,532 --> 00:01:52,742 than any motion picture in history. 50 00:01:52,825 --> 00:01:54,076 (LAUGHS) 51 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,494 It was the first blockbuster. 52 00:01:55,578 --> 00:01:56,912 (SCREAMING) 53 00:01:59,123 --> 00:02:02,126 I've seen Jaws in a theater 31 times. 54 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:07,840 I was 12, and this started me 55 00:02:07,923 --> 00:02:11,052 thinking about a career in movies. 56 00:02:11,135 --> 00:02:12,928 MAN 4: ls this your first time? Ninth time. 57 00:02:13,012 --> 00:02:14,347 Your how many? Nine. 58 00:02:14,430 --> 00:02:15,723 It's the film I've seen the most, 59 00:02:15,806 --> 00:02:18,476 and I could still watch it if it's on any time. 60 00:02:18,559 --> 00:02:19,810 Who are you? Matt Hooper. 61 00:02:19,894 --> 00:02:21,520 I'm from the Oceanographic Institute. 62 00:02:22,104 --> 00:02:23,689 I wanted to be Matt Hooper. 63 00:02:23,773 --> 00:02:26,150 I wanted to be a shark scientist. 64 00:02:26,233 --> 00:02:27,485 That's a 20-footer. 65 00:02:27,568 --> 00:02:30,279 Twenty-five. Three tons of him. 66 00:02:30,363 --> 00:02:32,573 WOMAN 2: Jaws has been an inspiration, 67 00:02:32,657 --> 00:02:35,493 and there is a completely different attitude now 68 00:02:35,576 --> 00:02:37,578 about sharks and the ocean. 69 00:02:37,662 --> 00:02:40,915 In 50 years, it's been used in so many different ways. 70 00:02:40,998 --> 00:02:42,917 It was a time when movies 71 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,170 were at the pinnacle of a cultural conversation. 72 00:02:46,253 --> 00:02:48,464 I loved Jaws. I really did. 73 00:02:48,547 --> 00:02:49,965 Because it didn't eat up no Black people. 74 00:02:50,049 --> 00:02:51,258 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 75 00:02:51,342 --> 00:02:53,803 You said that there are very few perfect movies. 76 00:02:53,886 --> 00:02:55,721 I think Jaws fits into that. 77 00:02:55,805 --> 00:02:57,431 MAN 5: ls that movie gonna keep you out of the water? 78 00:02:57,515 --> 00:02:59,767 It'll keep me out for a while. (LAUGHS) 79 00:02:59,850 --> 00:03:01,060 I definitely won't be going in now. 80 00:03:01,143 --> 00:03:02,937 MAN 5: Ever again? Never. 81 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:05,147 I was one of those people who, in a bath, 82 00:03:05,231 --> 00:03:06,482 would have a hard time 83 00:03:06,565 --> 00:03:08,734 not picturing a shark underneath me. 84 00:03:08,818 --> 00:03:11,821 NARRATOR: it is as if God created the devil 85 00:03:11,904 --> 00:03:14,532 and gave him Jaws. 86 00:03:14,615 --> 00:03:16,784 See it before you go swimming. 87 00:03:17,535 --> 00:03:22,123 For me, the story of Jaws is the fact that a movie 88 00:03:22,206 --> 00:03:24,458 that I thought would really end my career 89 00:03:24,542 --> 00:03:26,460 is the film that began it. 90 00:03:41,642 --> 00:03:45,104 INTERVIEWER: Steven, 50 years since Jaws. 91 00:03:45,187 --> 00:03:47,857 When you hear that, what do you think? 92 00:03:48,524 --> 00:03:50,025 When I hear 50 years... 93 00:03:50,776 --> 00:03:52,945 MAN 1: Roll sound. SPIELBERG: ...I think of home. 94 00:03:53,779 --> 00:03:54,780 Because the theme of home 95 00:03:54,864 --> 00:03:58,284 is so consistent with the story of Jaws. 96 00:03:59,994 --> 00:04:01,829 It's about getting home. 97 00:04:01,912 --> 00:04:04,665 (ALL SINGING) Show me the way to go home 98 00:04:04,749 --> 00:04:06,292 SPIELBERG: About returning home... 99 00:04:06,792 --> 00:04:08,461 (SIGHS) Can we go home now? 100 00:04:08,544 --> 00:04:10,296 SPIELBERG: And already being home. 101 00:04:10,379 --> 00:04:11,756 MARTIN BRODY: Want to take him home? 102 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:13,632 Like to New York? 103 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:16,302 No, home here. 104 00:04:16,385 --> 00:04:19,054 SPIELBERG: So when I look back at Jaws today, 105 00:04:19,138 --> 00:04:21,974 at those moments of difficulty... 106 00:04:22,057 --> 00:04:23,476 Was there good movement like that? 107 00:04:23,559 --> 00:04:26,604 SPIELBERG: The film wound up 100 days behind schedule. 108 00:04:28,773 --> 00:04:30,399 The shark was not working... 109 00:04:30,483 --> 00:04:31,484 MAN 2: No, cut, cut! 110 00:04:31,567 --> 00:04:34,695 SPIELBERG: ...and I was terrified I was gonna be fired. 111 00:04:35,654 --> 00:04:37,573 All I thought about was going home. (CHUCKLES) 112 00:04:39,575 --> 00:04:42,953 INTERVIEWER: ls there anything that you've never said about Jaws? 113 00:04:44,163 --> 00:04:47,082 (SPIELBERG LAUGHS) Let's find out. 114 00:04:47,833 --> 00:04:50,044 Steven, how old are you? Quantos anos tienes? 115 00:04:50,127 --> 00:04:52,129 Twenty-seven. Veintisiete. 116 00:04:52,213 --> 00:04:53,923 How long have you been in the motion picture industry? 117 00:04:54,006 --> 00:04:55,382 (SPEAKS SPANISH) 118 00:04:55,466 --> 00:04:57,551 ( IN ENGLISH) Oh, I've been professionally making movies 119 00:04:57,635 --> 00:04:58,844 since I was 21. 120 00:04:59,929 --> 00:05:02,181 MAN 3: I have always had an incredible belief 121 00:05:02,264 --> 00:05:04,266 in Steven's ability to do material 122 00:05:04,350 --> 00:05:06,977 that sometimes others questioned. 123 00:05:07,061 --> 00:05:08,312 There may have been occasions 124 00:05:08,395 --> 00:05:10,147 when I had a belief in Steven's ability 125 00:05:10,231 --> 00:05:11,482 to make material that exceeded 126 00:05:11,565 --> 00:05:13,859 Steven's conviction about the material. 127 00:05:13,943 --> 00:05:16,195 And I never had any doubt in my mind 128 00:05:16,278 --> 00:05:18,489 that Steven would do a great job. 129 00:05:19,573 --> 00:05:22,493 MAN 4: Steve used to hang around the film department at USC 130 00:05:23,202 --> 00:05:24,829 and so that's where I met him. 131 00:05:24,912 --> 00:05:25,996 He was always coming over 132 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,665 to see if he could find a cameraman 133 00:05:27,748 --> 00:05:30,292 or somebody who could help him with the student films. 134 00:05:31,335 --> 00:05:33,921 So when Steve did Duel 135 00:05:34,004 --> 00:05:35,756 and it was like a feature film for television, 136 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:37,591 I said, "Wow, this is fantastic." 137 00:05:37,675 --> 00:05:39,802 (TRUCK HONKING) 138 00:05:41,929 --> 00:05:44,932 DEL TORO: Duel opened in Mexico as a feature. 139 00:05:45,015 --> 00:05:47,935 And I remember seeing it in the drive-in, 140 00:05:48,018 --> 00:05:50,062 and people clapped with their horns. 141 00:05:50,145 --> 00:05:51,146 (CHUCKLES) 142 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:53,107 I met Steven for the first time 143 00:05:53,190 --> 00:05:55,901 when he brought Sugarland Express 144 00:05:55,985 --> 00:05:58,195 to the USC Film School. 145 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,948 WOMAN 1: I want my baby back. 146 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:03,993 Now, are you gonna help me or not? 147 00:06:04,660 --> 00:06:05,953 ZEMECKIS: I couldn't believe 148 00:06:06,036 --> 00:06:09,081 that this really young filmmaker 149 00:06:09,164 --> 00:06:10,875 made a movie on that scale. 150 00:06:12,293 --> 00:06:14,003 He became instantly my hero. 151 00:06:15,963 --> 00:06:18,883 CROWE: I held filmmakers and directors off 152 00:06:18,966 --> 00:06:21,343 as people that existed in another world. 153 00:06:21,427 --> 00:06:23,679 And I remember feeling like Spielberg was a guy 154 00:06:23,762 --> 00:06:26,724 who was kind of from my side of the world. 155 00:06:26,807 --> 00:06:28,976 And that was the beginning of me feeling like, 156 00:06:29,059 --> 00:06:31,061 "Maybe I could do something like this, too." 157 00:06:31,770 --> 00:06:34,648 He had made his bones as a director 158 00:06:34,732 --> 00:06:36,609 long before he did Jaws. 159 00:06:36,692 --> 00:06:38,527 I think we all felt that this was somebody 160 00:06:38,611 --> 00:06:40,321 who was going places. 161 00:06:40,404 --> 00:06:43,198 But not until Jaws was there any idea 162 00:06:43,282 --> 00:06:44,658 of how big this could get. 163 00:06:44,742 --> 00:06:46,577 I didn't know what I wanted to do next. 164 00:06:47,661 --> 00:06:50,956 I had been wanting to do a UFO movie, 165 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,375 not yet called Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 166 00:06:53,459 --> 00:06:55,461 but that was sort of all I had in my mind. 167 00:06:56,128 --> 00:06:57,755 And I was also in post-production 168 00:06:57,838 --> 00:06:59,465 on Sugarland Express. 169 00:06:59,548 --> 00:07:00,799 I had gone into Richard Zanuck 170 00:07:00,883 --> 00:07:02,676 at his partner David Brown's office 171 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,928 many, many times. 172 00:07:04,011 --> 00:07:06,847 When I saw a stack of papers 173 00:07:06,931 --> 00:07:10,267 in the outer office, and it was galleys. 174 00:07:11,101 --> 00:07:12,895 I looked at the top sheet and it said 175 00:07:12,978 --> 00:07:14,855 Jaws by Peter Benchley. 176 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,192 And I had no idea what that meant, Jaws. 177 00:07:18,275 --> 00:07:20,527 I mean, was it the history of dentistry? 178 00:07:21,946 --> 00:07:24,865 I read it and I was enthralled. 179 00:07:25,824 --> 00:07:28,035 And if I read Peter Benchley's Jaws 180 00:07:28,118 --> 00:07:29,453 for the first time right now, 181 00:07:29,995 --> 00:07:31,705 I would have the same rush of excitement 182 00:07:31,789 --> 00:07:34,208 that I had when I first read the galleys. 183 00:07:34,291 --> 00:07:37,378 Because, in a way, Jaws was a sequel to Duel. 184 00:07:38,337 --> 00:07:43,384 Duel was this murderous leviathan on the highway 185 00:07:43,467 --> 00:07:45,844 trying to kill this traveling salesman 186 00:07:45,928 --> 00:07:47,262 in a little car. 187 00:07:47,346 --> 00:07:52,351 And Jaws is the story of this leviathan of the sea 188 00:07:52,434 --> 00:07:56,897 that is rending this seaside resort into bankruptcy 189 00:07:56,981 --> 00:07:58,983 unless they hire somebody to kill the threat. 190 00:08:02,111 --> 00:08:03,904 When I wrote a novel called Jaws, 191 00:08:03,988 --> 00:08:06,198 I was faced with a fascinating challenge. 192 00:08:06,281 --> 00:08:09,201 How to describe the instincts of an ancient animal 193 00:08:09,284 --> 00:08:10,744 that threatens modern man 194 00:08:10,828 --> 00:08:12,413 with the most horrible of deaths. 195 00:08:12,496 --> 00:08:15,958 Most people, when they hear about Jaws and they realize 196 00:08:16,041 --> 00:08:17,918 what a culture-changing event that was, 197 00:08:18,002 --> 00:08:20,838 they want to know, how did my dad come up with the idea? 198 00:08:21,422 --> 00:08:23,424 What I've always heard from him was, 199 00:08:23,507 --> 00:08:25,509 growing up as a New York City boy, 200 00:08:25,592 --> 00:08:26,885 born and raised in New York... 201 00:08:26,969 --> 00:08:29,138 He also spent the summers in Nantucket 202 00:08:29,221 --> 00:08:30,431 fishing with his dad. 203 00:08:31,056 --> 00:08:33,684 I grew up on a neighboring island, Nantucket, 204 00:08:33,767 --> 00:08:35,519 where I first encountered sharks. 205 00:08:36,145 --> 00:08:38,689 We used to fish for swordfish, but they were rare, 206 00:08:38,772 --> 00:08:40,524 and we caught sharks instead. 207 00:08:42,026 --> 00:08:43,902 Not only did he see a lot of sharks 208 00:08:43,986 --> 00:08:45,988 when he was fishing with his dad, 209 00:08:46,071 --> 00:08:48,323 but he also knew what it was like 210 00:08:48,407 --> 00:08:49,575 to live on an island. 211 00:08:50,701 --> 00:08:53,579 Our father explained what it means to grow up 212 00:08:53,662 --> 00:08:55,956 in a community like Amity or Nantucket, 213 00:08:56,665 --> 00:08:58,667 and he talked about islanders. 214 00:08:58,751 --> 00:09:01,920 And by islander, I don't mean a year-rounder. 215 00:09:02,004 --> 00:09:04,339 To be an Islander, you have to have been born here, 216 00:09:04,423 --> 00:09:06,091 and nothing short of reincarnation 217 00:09:06,175 --> 00:09:07,760 can change your status. 218 00:09:07,843 --> 00:09:09,344 When do I get to become an Islander? 219 00:09:09,428 --> 00:09:11,555 Ellen, never. Never! 220 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:14,016 Before writing Jaws, I had had very little experience 221 00:09:14,099 --> 00:09:15,476 in the water with sharks. 222 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,144 I knew a lot about them academically. 223 00:09:17,227 --> 00:09:18,812 I'd studied them since I was a child, 224 00:09:18,896 --> 00:09:21,315 but I really had no experience with sharks at all underwater. 225 00:09:21,398 --> 00:09:23,734 And then Blue Water, White Death came out. 226 00:09:23,817 --> 00:09:24,902 MAN 1: Oh, he's gotta be 12. 227 00:09:24,985 --> 00:09:26,987 MAN 2: Yeah, at least 12. Look at his back. 228 00:09:27,071 --> 00:09:28,530 BOTH: Oh! 229 00:09:29,198 --> 00:09:31,992 I first started diving in the early '50s, 230 00:09:32,076 --> 00:09:33,619 and then a little bit later on, 231 00:09:33,702 --> 00:09:35,704 I got a 16-millimeter movie camera 232 00:09:35,788 --> 00:09:38,165 and was shooting film for television, 233 00:09:38,248 --> 00:09:40,626 and people wanted to see sharks. 234 00:09:41,710 --> 00:09:44,004 WOMAN 2: it was in about 1965 or '67 235 00:09:44,088 --> 00:09:46,799 where we first started to work with great white sharks. 236 00:09:47,424 --> 00:09:49,468 Nobody else in the world had ever done it before. 237 00:09:49,551 --> 00:09:51,845 There, look at him. Sitting on top of the cage. 238 00:09:51,929 --> 00:09:54,348 Eventually, Peter Gimbel wanted to make a film, 239 00:09:54,431 --> 00:09:57,184 and he employed us to work on it. 240 00:09:57,267 --> 00:10:00,062 You couldn't believe. It's fantastic. 241 00:10:00,646 --> 00:10:03,357 Peter Benchley saw Blue Water, White Death 242 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,692 and that was one of the reasons 243 00:10:05,776 --> 00:10:07,986 that he got the idea for writing Jaws. 244 00:10:09,488 --> 00:10:12,491 Peter also had seen Frank Mundus, 245 00:10:12,574 --> 00:10:17,746 who caught a huge 4,500-pound, 18-foot shark 246 00:10:17,830 --> 00:10:19,248 off of Long Island. 247 00:10:19,331 --> 00:10:21,625 So Peter, with his imagination, 248 00:10:21,708 --> 00:10:23,961 put all of that together and thought, 249 00:10:24,044 --> 00:10:26,880 "What would it be like if one of those sharks 250 00:10:26,964 --> 00:10:30,259 "just randomly decided to stay in one place?" 251 00:10:31,468 --> 00:10:33,387 SKERRY: Peter eventually researched the science. 252 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:35,931 He knew these animals, he understood their behavior. 253 00:10:36,014 --> 00:10:39,017 But if you read the book, the animal is not a villain. 254 00:10:39,101 --> 00:10:41,061 It is doing what it does. 255 00:10:41,603 --> 00:10:44,398 And he created characters who could represent 256 00:10:44,481 --> 00:10:47,192 both a hardened shark fisherman like Quint... 257 00:10:47,276 --> 00:10:49,778 I wrote the character of Quint as a man who begins 258 00:10:49,862 --> 00:10:51,238 with great contempt for sharks, 259 00:10:51,321 --> 00:10:53,365 and is finally obsessed with 260 00:10:53,448 --> 00:10:55,367 and driven to kill this particular one. 261 00:10:55,450 --> 00:10:58,787 SKERRY: And he created a PhD scientist like Hooper 262 00:10:58,871 --> 00:11:01,290 who understands this is just an animal. 263 00:11:01,373 --> 00:11:04,293 That doesn't make it good or bad, it just is. 264 00:11:04,376 --> 00:11:05,919 It's part of nature. 265 00:11:06,003 --> 00:11:07,796 Peter filled in all these other stories 266 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,299 about Brody and his wife and the affair with Hooper 267 00:11:10,382 --> 00:11:11,925 and all the stuff with the Mafia 268 00:11:12,009 --> 00:11:15,137 because that added texture and depth to the story. 269 00:11:16,346 --> 00:11:17,514 WENDY: Really, one of the most 270 00:11:17,598 --> 00:11:19,433 humorous things, though, about the book, 271 00:11:19,516 --> 00:11:20,767 was finding the title. 272 00:11:24,313 --> 00:11:27,524 There are several pages of suggested titles, 273 00:11:27,608 --> 00:11:29,443 and Peter and Wendy and our parents 274 00:11:29,526 --> 00:11:31,403 were struggling over what to call it. 275 00:11:31,486 --> 00:11:35,282 Oh, we had pretentious ones like "Leviathan Rising," 276 00:11:35,365 --> 00:11:38,118 and then we had ones... "The Terror of the Deep." 277 00:11:39,328 --> 00:11:40,829 And Peter's father said, 278 00:11:40,913 --> 00:11:42,164 "I know what we should call it." 279 00:11:42,247 --> 00:11:44,917 "What's That Noshin' On My Leg?" 280 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,460 (LAUGHS) 281 00:11:48,086 --> 00:11:49,671 And this went on for months. 282 00:11:49,755 --> 00:11:51,423 None of them quite worked. 283 00:11:51,506 --> 00:11:53,842 NAT: The day the book was to go to press, 284 00:11:53,926 --> 00:11:56,011 Tom Congdon from Doubleday said, 285 00:11:56,094 --> 00:11:57,429 "I hate to bother you about this, 286 00:11:57,512 --> 00:11:58,764 "but we kind of need a title." 287 00:11:58,847 --> 00:12:00,766 Peter said. "Yeah, we've been worrying about that, 288 00:12:00,849 --> 00:12:02,851 "and the only thing that comes to mind 289 00:12:02,935 --> 00:12:05,938 "that has pleased everybody is the word 'jaws."' 290 00:12:07,856 --> 00:12:10,234 Congdon said, "Okay, what's it mean?" 291 00:12:10,734 --> 00:12:12,277 He said, "I don't know, but it's short." 292 00:12:17,616 --> 00:12:21,161 The cover of Jaws was really difficult. 293 00:12:21,245 --> 00:12:24,122 The dust jackets for the books evolved. 294 00:12:24,790 --> 00:12:26,541 The first one was Amity, 295 00:12:26,625 --> 00:12:29,670 like an idyllic island in between the shark jaws. 296 00:12:31,213 --> 00:12:32,673 And they scrapped that one. 297 00:12:32,756 --> 00:12:36,969 And then they did a version of the shark underneath her. 298 00:12:37,052 --> 00:12:39,263 And the shark wasn't very scary. 299 00:12:39,346 --> 00:12:41,348 It was a little too phallic-looking. 300 00:12:41,431 --> 00:12:43,850 You know, what you wanna say is a penis with teeth, right? 301 00:12:43,934 --> 00:12:46,436 That's exactly what it looked like. (CHUCKLES) 302 00:12:47,354 --> 00:12:49,564 NICOTERO: And that's when Roger Kastel came in 303 00:12:49,648 --> 00:12:53,318 and created that painting for the paperback. 304 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:56,571 And then Universal used the same painting, 305 00:12:56,655 --> 00:12:59,700 which is probably one of the perfect movie posters. 306 00:13:00,617 --> 00:13:05,831 Jaws was rocketing up the bestseller list in 1974. 307 00:13:06,748 --> 00:13:08,542 And then when the paperback came out, 308 00:13:08,625 --> 00:13:11,086 it was a multi-million bestseller. 309 00:13:15,048 --> 00:13:17,676 Peter just wanted to get a novel written, 310 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:19,386 and when his agent came and said 311 00:13:19,469 --> 00:13:21,722 the movie people were interested in optioning it, 312 00:13:21,805 --> 00:13:23,807 he said, "I don't care. Sell them the option." 313 00:13:24,766 --> 00:13:26,143 WENDY: it was Helen Gurley Brown 314 00:13:26,226 --> 00:13:28,854 who was the editor of Cosmopolitan magazine, 315 00:13:28,937 --> 00:13:31,898 who gave it to her husband, David Brown, a producer. 316 00:13:32,441 --> 00:13:34,568 And he and Richard Zanuck bought it, 317 00:13:34,651 --> 00:13:36,737 and the rest is history 318 00:13:36,820 --> 00:13:38,238 Just by reading the book, the last... 319 00:13:38,322 --> 00:13:40,365 I think it was 110 pages of the novel, 320 00:13:40,449 --> 00:13:41,491 the hunt for the shark. 321 00:13:41,616 --> 00:13:43,785 It was so enthralling and so suspenseful. MAN: Yeah. 322 00:13:43,869 --> 00:13:45,495 You know, it's frightened me so much. 323 00:13:46,079 --> 00:13:47,789 And I was so angry at being frightened, 324 00:13:47,873 --> 00:13:49,124 that I wanted to frighten back. 325 00:13:49,207 --> 00:13:50,792 "I'll make this movie and scare them all back." 326 00:13:52,210 --> 00:13:53,253 SPIELBERG: When I read it, 327 00:13:53,337 --> 00:13:55,213 I went to Dick and David's office on Monday 328 00:13:55,297 --> 00:13:56,757 and I said, "Do you have a director? 329 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,008 "Because I would love to direct this." 330 00:13:58,091 --> 00:13:59,384 And they said, "Oh, my goodness, 331 00:13:59,468 --> 00:14:01,261 "there's already a director assigned." 332 00:14:01,970 --> 00:14:03,680 Peter was part of the process 333 00:14:03,764 --> 00:14:07,100 of interviewing various people to be the director, 334 00:14:07,184 --> 00:14:09,936 and remember that there was one director 335 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:12,647 who called the shark a whale all the time. 336 00:14:12,731 --> 00:14:13,857 So he was out. 337 00:14:13,940 --> 00:14:15,567 (PHONE RINGING) 338 00:14:15,650 --> 00:14:18,153 SPIELBERG: A week or so later, Dick and David called me 339 00:14:18,236 --> 00:14:19,321 and they said, 340 00:14:19,404 --> 00:14:21,114 "It's available. Do you still want to do it? 341 00:14:21,865 --> 00:14:23,450 I was as hungry, as the shark was hungry, 342 00:14:23,533 --> 00:14:25,077 to tell the story of Jaws. 343 00:14:25,786 --> 00:14:27,329 And I didn't know how it was going to be done, 344 00:14:27,412 --> 00:14:28,705 how it could be done. 345 00:14:29,289 --> 00:14:32,959 But my instincts told me that it needed authenticity 346 00:14:33,043 --> 00:14:35,003 so the shark wouldn't get laughed at. 347 00:14:36,296 --> 00:14:38,048 When I made Duel, the studio tried to get me 348 00:14:38,131 --> 00:14:39,508 to do the whole thing on process stage 349 00:14:39,591 --> 00:14:41,676 with screens out the windows of the car. 350 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,471 And I basically said I'd rather not make Duel 351 00:14:44,554 --> 00:14:46,306 if I have to go and do it all fake 352 00:14:46,390 --> 00:14:48,517 on a soundstage, using rear projection. 353 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,394 And I felt the same way about Jaws. 354 00:14:50,477 --> 00:14:53,313 I wanted to go to the natural environment, 355 00:14:53,397 --> 00:14:55,399 so there was some kind of verisimilitude, 356 00:14:55,482 --> 00:14:58,026 so it needed to be in the ocean, out to sea. 357 00:14:58,110 --> 00:15:00,737 And so I knew somehow it had to be done on location. 358 00:15:02,155 --> 00:15:03,824 You know as an audience member, 359 00:15:03,907 --> 00:15:05,992 when something is real and when something is not. 360 00:15:06,076 --> 00:15:09,704 And that choice to shoot in open water, 361 00:15:09,788 --> 00:15:11,498 the audience wins. 362 00:15:11,581 --> 00:15:14,126 Because when you see these characters 363 00:15:14,209 --> 00:15:16,420 surrounded in complete isolation, 364 00:15:16,503 --> 00:15:20,048 the loneliness of them, we feel that, we're scared. 365 00:15:20,132 --> 00:15:22,134 If you really think about Jaws, 366 00:15:22,217 --> 00:15:26,096 it really is an exercise in pushing the boundaries. 367 00:15:26,972 --> 00:15:30,642 Like, they could have made that movie on the backlot or in a tank, 368 00:15:30,725 --> 00:15:32,811 and it would have been a very, very different movie. 369 00:15:32,894 --> 00:15:35,272 But they were pushing the art form. 370 00:15:35,355 --> 00:15:38,525 At the same time as Jaws was made, 371 00:15:38,608 --> 00:15:42,654 you saw this new crop of unbelievable talent 372 00:15:42,737 --> 00:15:45,031 coming in to Hollywood in the '70s 373 00:15:45,115 --> 00:15:46,658 that challenged every assumption 374 00:15:46,741 --> 00:15:48,952 of what was possible, and challenged everything. 375 00:15:49,035 --> 00:15:50,662 1974. 376 00:15:50,745 --> 00:15:51,788 (PEOPLE LAUGHING) 377 00:15:51,872 --> 00:15:54,708 In 1974, when I started making Jaws, 378 00:15:54,791 --> 00:15:57,169 my focus was trying to figure out 379 00:15:57,252 --> 00:15:58,587 how to adapt the novel. 380 00:15:58,670 --> 00:16:01,339 I had never experienced adapting a novel before. 381 00:16:01,423 --> 00:16:03,467 And Peter Benchley wrote the first three drafts of the screenplay, 382 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:05,802 admitted that a screenplay and a novel 383 00:16:05,886 --> 00:16:07,220 are two different kettles of fish. 384 00:16:08,138 --> 00:16:11,224 That was a completely different kind of writing for him. 385 00:16:11,308 --> 00:16:13,977 So he put a lot of effort into the screenplay 386 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:16,104 and did it a couple of different times. 387 00:16:16,188 --> 00:16:18,148 And then various other writers came in. 388 00:16:18,773 --> 00:16:21,651 David Brown said, "Why not Howard Sackler? 389 00:16:21,735 --> 00:16:22,736 "He's a great writer. 390 00:16:22,819 --> 00:16:25,113 "He won a Pulitzer for The Great White Hope." 391 00:16:25,197 --> 00:16:27,782 I was thinking Great White Hope, great white shark. 392 00:16:27,866 --> 00:16:29,367 That makes sense. 393 00:16:29,868 --> 00:16:31,453 He created the structure. 394 00:16:31,536 --> 00:16:34,080 And then after that, for a comedy punch up, 395 00:16:34,164 --> 00:16:36,750 I wanted to bring my friend Carl Gottlieb along 396 00:16:36,833 --> 00:16:39,127 to just try to find some lightness and some humor 397 00:16:39,211 --> 00:16:41,296 between these three disparate characters. 398 00:16:41,421 --> 00:16:43,215 The mate. Where's the mate? The mate is dead. We'll have to... 399 00:16:43,298 --> 00:16:45,175 Where's the body? Why is the boat torn to pieces? 400 00:16:45,258 --> 00:16:46,468 Because it's a great white shark. 401 00:16:46,551 --> 00:16:49,262 GOTTLIEB: Nice thing was, I was able to write a nice part for myself. 402 00:16:49,346 --> 00:16:51,264 I play Meadows, the editor of the newspaper. 403 00:16:51,348 --> 00:16:53,099 I want to get on the state wire services, 404 00:16:53,183 --> 00:16:55,227 see if Boston will pick it up and go national. 405 00:16:55,310 --> 00:16:56,645 Call Dave Axelrod in New York, 406 00:16:56,728 --> 00:16:58,271 tell him he owes me a favor, all right? 407 00:16:58,355 --> 00:17:00,315 And Steven sent me a script 408 00:17:00,398 --> 00:17:03,276 with a note on the cover saying, "Eviscerate it." 409 00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:06,154 We decided to lose the love interest 410 00:17:06,238 --> 00:17:07,739 because it was in a movie 411 00:17:07,822 --> 00:17:09,282 that was a straight-line adventure film 412 00:17:09,366 --> 00:17:10,742 about the shark and the town 413 00:17:10,825 --> 00:17:13,078 and the, uh... the, uh... the hunt. 414 00:17:13,161 --> 00:17:17,457 The film became much more a story of Chief Brody, 415 00:17:17,541 --> 00:17:21,503 a kind of reluctant hero, in this case, 416 00:17:21,586 --> 00:17:24,631 tested by the elements, by nature itself. 417 00:17:24,714 --> 00:17:26,633 This is a great white, Larry, a big one. 418 00:17:26,716 --> 00:17:28,635 And any shark expert in the world will tell you 419 00:17:28,718 --> 00:17:29,886 it's a killer. It's a man eater. 420 00:17:31,429 --> 00:17:33,640 CAMERON: The great white shark was not well-understood 421 00:17:33,723 --> 00:17:36,476 by the public at large when the film first came out. 422 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,187 And it became this kind of mythical beast. 423 00:17:39,271 --> 00:17:40,939 What we are dealing with here 424 00:17:41,022 --> 00:17:42,148 is a perfect engine, 425 00:17:42,232 --> 00:17:44,359 uh, an eating machine. 426 00:17:45,026 --> 00:17:47,696 MAN: I've never seen anything as perfect as a great white shark. 427 00:17:48,321 --> 00:17:49,406 What really strikes you 428 00:17:49,489 --> 00:17:50,991 when you see a great white shark in person 429 00:17:51,074 --> 00:17:52,617 is not just how long they can be, 430 00:17:52,701 --> 00:17:54,452 but how big around they are. 431 00:17:56,288 --> 00:17:59,207 Great whites are one of the most epic predators 432 00:17:59,291 --> 00:18:01,042 that you'll ever find in the wild. 433 00:18:01,126 --> 00:18:04,254 They're essentially governors in the way that they control 434 00:18:04,337 --> 00:18:07,382 the sizes of all the populations beneath them. 435 00:18:07,465 --> 00:18:09,718 VAUGHN: And what did you say the name of the shark is? 436 00:18:09,801 --> 00:18:11,886 It's a carcharodon carcharias. It's a great white. 437 00:18:13,597 --> 00:18:16,224 The great white shark is a species 438 00:18:16,308 --> 00:18:19,185 that has been described all over the world 439 00:18:19,269 --> 00:18:20,562 in many different ways. 440 00:18:21,938 --> 00:18:24,983 From man eater to white pointer 441 00:18:26,109 --> 00:18:27,485 to great white shark. 442 00:18:28,695 --> 00:18:32,324 I remember seeing the shark in Jaws for the first time 443 00:18:32,407 --> 00:18:33,867 and being completely blown away 444 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:36,953 at how realistic it looked, how large it was, 445 00:18:37,037 --> 00:18:39,623 how impressive and truly authentic 446 00:18:39,706 --> 00:18:42,292 to what white sharks actually look like. 447 00:18:43,293 --> 00:18:46,630 This animal still looks just as good as anything 448 00:18:46,713 --> 00:18:48,590 that's coming out today if not better, 449 00:18:48,673 --> 00:18:51,426 relying almost exclusively on practical effects. 450 00:18:54,721 --> 00:18:56,848 INTERVIEWER: So, Joe, tell me, where are we? 451 00:18:58,141 --> 00:19:00,352 ALVES: Well, this is what I call the art department. 452 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:03,271 This is sort of my home base. 453 00:19:09,944 --> 00:19:13,782 These are the concept sketches that I did early on 454 00:19:13,865 --> 00:19:15,825 before we had a finished script. 455 00:19:16,868 --> 00:19:19,621 What happened was David Brown called me 456 00:19:19,704 --> 00:19:21,790 and he said, "Joe, we think Jaws 457 00:19:21,873 --> 00:19:23,583 "might make a damn good movie 458 00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:25,418 "if we could sort of illustrate 459 00:19:25,502 --> 00:19:26,920 "the activity of the shark." 460 00:19:27,962 --> 00:19:31,716 So he said, "Just give me a couple dozen illustrations 461 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,551 "of the shark activity." 462 00:19:33,635 --> 00:19:36,429 I pretty well did these as it's described 463 00:19:36,513 --> 00:19:37,972 in the galley sheets. 464 00:19:39,224 --> 00:19:42,977 Joe Alves designed drawings of a shark 465 00:19:43,061 --> 00:19:44,437 that he could put up against the wall 466 00:19:44,521 --> 00:19:45,522 in a production office. 467 00:19:46,147 --> 00:19:48,233 He did an 18-foot long shark. 468 00:19:48,817 --> 00:19:51,277 He did a 26-foot long shark. 469 00:19:51,361 --> 00:19:53,321 He did a 32-foot long shark. 470 00:19:54,572 --> 00:19:56,574 These are full-size drawings. 471 00:19:56,658 --> 00:19:58,159 And we had to evaluate, 472 00:19:58,243 --> 00:20:00,120 "Which one do we commit to, which one do we build?" 473 00:20:00,203 --> 00:20:03,456 And for me, the 18-foot shark was not that intimidating. 474 00:20:04,082 --> 00:20:08,753 But the 32-foot long shark was not realistic, 475 00:20:08,837 --> 00:20:10,755 and it would've turned the genre of the film 476 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:12,465 into science fantasy. 477 00:20:13,425 --> 00:20:16,469 The 26-foot-long shark was just right, 478 00:20:16,553 --> 00:20:17,554 I thought, for Jaws. 479 00:20:19,222 --> 00:20:22,183 ALVES: October 1st, 1973. 480 00:20:22,267 --> 00:20:24,602 Marshall Green had a meeting. 481 00:20:24,686 --> 00:20:26,980 He was the head of production at Universal. 482 00:20:27,063 --> 00:20:29,816 And he said, "Okay, Joe, can you make the shark?" 483 00:20:29,899 --> 00:20:32,318 I says, "Yeah, I certainly could try." 484 00:20:32,402 --> 00:20:34,821 He says, "Okay, find somebody and make it off the lot. 485 00:20:34,904 --> 00:20:36,990 And somebody recommended Bob Mattey, 486 00:20:37,073 --> 00:20:39,325 and I found Bob and put a crew together. 487 00:20:39,451 --> 00:20:42,078 To the ingenious shark building team. Cheers. 488 00:20:42,162 --> 00:20:44,664 Bob and Whitey. Yeah. 489 00:20:44,748 --> 00:20:46,833 Whitey doesn't like to turn around and look at the camera, 490 00:20:46,916 --> 00:20:48,501 he's camera shy. ( INDISTINCT) 491 00:20:48,585 --> 00:20:50,628 Right. Okay, just for Steve. 492 00:20:50,754 --> 00:20:51,963 Final pose here. (LAUGHS) 493 00:20:52,046 --> 00:20:53,173 One in a million. 494 00:20:53,256 --> 00:20:54,758 ALVES: We got seven in the crew. 495 00:20:54,841 --> 00:20:56,384 I called them the Magnificent Seven. 496 00:20:56,468 --> 00:20:58,970 MAN: Joe Alves? (GROANS) Yes. 497 00:20:59,888 --> 00:21:01,347 And we started building the shark. 498 00:21:04,142 --> 00:21:06,478 Bob Mattey was taken out of retirement 499 00:21:06,561 --> 00:21:07,854 to create the creature, 500 00:21:07,937 --> 00:21:10,690 the great white shark and its many incarnations. 501 00:21:11,399 --> 00:21:14,861 ALVES: What we needed was a shark to go left to right, 502 00:21:14,944 --> 00:21:16,696 and one to go right to left. 503 00:21:17,947 --> 00:21:19,824 And then one on a big crane. 504 00:21:21,493 --> 00:21:23,703 So we had three sharks to build. 505 00:21:25,914 --> 00:21:28,374 BROWN: A shed was set up in the San Fernando Valley. 506 00:21:28,458 --> 00:21:29,959 It was like making Apollo. 507 00:21:30,043 --> 00:21:32,253 It was like a new invention. 508 00:21:33,004 --> 00:21:34,839 NICOTERO: Bob Mattey, he had the chops. 509 00:21:35,924 --> 00:21:38,551 And the fact that he had built all this other great stuff, 510 00:21:39,469 --> 00:21:42,555 like the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea giant squid. 511 00:21:43,348 --> 00:21:44,599 He knew how to build it. 512 00:21:44,682 --> 00:21:47,018 So, yeah, in theory, it'll work. 513 00:21:47,852 --> 00:21:50,104 SPIELBERG: I thought it'd be fun to nickname the shark 514 00:21:50,188 --> 00:21:51,773 after my attorney, Bruce Ramer. 515 00:21:51,856 --> 00:21:53,900 So I started calling the shark Bruce. 516 00:21:53,983 --> 00:21:55,693 And then in the shark shed, 517 00:21:55,777 --> 00:21:58,279 where Whitey and Bob Mattey everybody else was working, 518 00:21:58,363 --> 00:22:00,073 they started calling the shark Bruce. 519 00:22:00,156 --> 00:22:02,909 And then everybody forgot why it was being called Bruce. 520 00:22:02,992 --> 00:22:04,452 It just was named Bruce. 521 00:22:05,286 --> 00:22:06,746 CAMERON: The film happened to come out at a time 522 00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:09,415 when I was really teaching myself 523 00:22:09,499 --> 00:22:11,876 how visual effects and mechanical effects 524 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,711 and makeup effects were done. 525 00:22:13,795 --> 00:22:15,380 Like Bruce, like the shark in Jaws. 526 00:22:15,463 --> 00:22:16,923 Because I wanted a career in that business. 527 00:22:17,006 --> 00:22:18,716 And I just loved all that stuff. 528 00:22:19,717 --> 00:22:22,762 As a constructor of animatronics and puppets, 529 00:22:22,846 --> 00:22:25,807 to operate in that scale with basically hydraulic 530 00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:28,059 and incredibly powerful machinery, 531 00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:30,478 that is remarkable. 532 00:22:32,188 --> 00:22:35,275 Basically, I was doing a lot of research with sharks, 533 00:22:36,025 --> 00:22:38,695 and talked to Ron and Valerie Taylor. 534 00:22:38,778 --> 00:22:39,904 SPIELBERG: Ron and Valerie Taylor, 535 00:22:39,988 --> 00:22:42,657 I knew well from the documentary, Blue Water, White Death. 536 00:22:43,324 --> 00:22:45,243 And I wanted them to bless our production. 537 00:22:45,326 --> 00:22:48,121 I also wanted them to be able to work on the film. 538 00:22:48,204 --> 00:22:49,706 And I said to them, "Was there any way 539 00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:52,083 "we can get actual great white footage 540 00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:54,002 "that I could intercut with a mechanical shark?" 541 00:22:55,211 --> 00:22:56,838 And they said, "Absolutely. 542 00:22:56,921 --> 00:22:59,757 "We'll go to the Great Barrier Reef off of Australia, 543 00:22:59,841 --> 00:23:02,051 "and we'll get the footage that you need." 544 00:23:02,135 --> 00:23:04,220 He simply left it up to Valerie and I 545 00:23:04,304 --> 00:23:05,763 to get what we could 546 00:23:05,847 --> 00:23:07,348 according to the script. 547 00:23:07,432 --> 00:23:10,435 He basically realized at that time 548 00:23:10,518 --> 00:23:12,687 that there would be the possibility 549 00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:14,981 that he would have to shoot around what we got 550 00:23:15,064 --> 00:23:17,525 because it's a wild animal, 551 00:23:17,609 --> 00:23:19,402 and they just don't do what you want them to. 552 00:23:23,197 --> 00:23:25,116 ALVES: Back on the lot, the studio said, 553 00:23:25,199 --> 00:23:26,618 "We're going to start shooting this movie 554 00:23:26,701 --> 00:23:28,161 "in the next month." 555 00:23:28,244 --> 00:23:30,288 And I'm saying, "Wait a minute. 556 00:23:30,371 --> 00:23:32,832 "I have a year and a half to build the shark." 557 00:23:32,916 --> 00:23:34,000 "No, you don't. 558 00:23:34,083 --> 00:23:37,337 "We're going to start shooting because the book's so popular." 559 00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:39,047 That's all they care about, is the money. 560 00:23:39,130 --> 00:23:41,549 They don't have any idea what we're doing, 561 00:23:41,633 --> 00:23:43,509 how complicated it was. No. 562 00:23:43,593 --> 00:23:46,888 So Steven got them to postpone it until May. 563 00:23:47,472 --> 00:23:48,598 SPIELBERG: I remember going out there 564 00:23:48,681 --> 00:23:50,642 with John Milius and George Lucas, 565 00:23:50,725 --> 00:23:53,895 and John stuck his head in the shark and said, 566 00:23:53,978 --> 00:23:55,772 "Okay, close the jaws!" 567 00:23:56,481 --> 00:23:58,483 And I was screaming "Don't close the jaws! 568 00:23:58,566 --> 00:24:00,234 "John, get out of the shark!" 569 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:03,112 A bunch of us went and visited Steven, 570 00:24:03,196 --> 00:24:06,157 and he wanted to show us the construction of the shark, 571 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,659 which was impressive. 572 00:24:07,742 --> 00:24:09,494 So I thought, "Great, this'll be a good movie." 573 00:24:09,577 --> 00:24:12,330 And it was obvious it was going to be a big hit. 574 00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:14,666 SPIELBERG: George looked at the shark and said, 575 00:24:14,749 --> 00:24:17,377 "Wow, this is gonna be the most successful movie ever made." 576 00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:18,878 And I, of course, looked at George like, 577 00:24:18,962 --> 00:24:20,338 "Well, from your lips to..." You know. 578 00:24:20,421 --> 00:24:21,756 But I didn't believe that. 579 00:24:23,007 --> 00:24:25,843 We never, until the last minute, 580 00:24:25,927 --> 00:24:30,223 had a script that was to everybody's liking, 581 00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:35,728 and the studio wanted us to go ahead before some strike. 582 00:24:36,270 --> 00:24:38,856 And so we were forced to go on the location, 583 00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:40,650 forced to start shooting. 584 00:24:40,733 --> 00:24:43,069 And he had some serious reservations 585 00:24:43,152 --> 00:24:44,696 whether we were doing the right thing. 586 00:24:46,406 --> 00:24:50,243 We did not go into this picture fully prepared. 587 00:24:53,746 --> 00:24:55,790 CAMERON: In the first frames of the movie, 588 00:24:55,873 --> 00:24:58,584 you are a shark and you're just hunting. 589 00:24:58,668 --> 00:25:01,754 It really shows you what's possible in cinema. 590 00:25:01,838 --> 00:25:05,049 And so my favorite scene in the film is the opening. 591 00:25:08,302 --> 00:25:10,138 LUCAS: The opening is sensational. 592 00:25:10,972 --> 00:25:13,516 Really sets you up... like that. 593 00:25:14,392 --> 00:25:16,602 Where are we going? Swimming! 594 00:25:17,311 --> 00:25:19,439 PEELE: The opening of a film is everything. 595 00:25:20,732 --> 00:25:22,108 If you don't get that part right, 596 00:25:22,191 --> 00:25:23,276 the rest of it doesn't matter. 597 00:25:24,193 --> 00:25:26,863 The opening of Jaws, it's simple, 598 00:25:26,946 --> 00:25:29,407 and it may be the most violent scene in the film, 599 00:25:29,991 --> 00:25:31,451 and at the same time, 600 00:25:31,534 --> 00:25:34,537 it is one that obscures the monster. 601 00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:37,623 (PANTING) 602 00:25:41,127 --> 00:25:43,963 SPIELBERG: In the original script that Peter Benchley did, 603 00:25:44,047 --> 00:25:45,423 we did show the shark. 604 00:25:46,841 --> 00:25:48,968 But the shark was down, getting repaired. 605 00:25:50,386 --> 00:25:52,889 And it was dawning on me that things were scarier 606 00:25:52,972 --> 00:25:54,849 without the shark than with the shark. 607 00:25:54,932 --> 00:25:56,142 (SCREAMS) 608 00:25:56,225 --> 00:25:58,895 I always kind of relate my scene in Jaws 609 00:25:58,978 --> 00:26:00,605 to the scene in Psycho. 610 00:26:01,147 --> 00:26:03,024 The lady in the shower, 611 00:26:03,107 --> 00:26:06,069 because it's that kind of horrifying thing 612 00:26:06,152 --> 00:26:07,695 that comes out of nowhere. 613 00:26:07,779 --> 00:26:10,823 And I think a lot of what made the scene very, very scary 614 00:26:10,907 --> 00:26:13,659 was the fact that you knew what was down there 615 00:26:13,743 --> 00:26:15,119 and you knew what was happening, 616 00:26:15,203 --> 00:26:16,496 but you couldn't see it. 617 00:26:17,789 --> 00:26:21,292 SPIELBERG: The one filmmaker that influenced me the most 618 00:26:21,375 --> 00:26:23,461 in the making of Jaws was Alfred Hitchcock. 619 00:26:24,253 --> 00:26:27,340 What Alfred Hitchcock could do with the power of suggestion, 620 00:26:27,423 --> 00:26:29,258 I thought, "if just a little bit of that 621 00:26:29,342 --> 00:26:31,344 "could be sprinkled on my mojo, 622 00:26:32,136 --> 00:26:33,387 "then maybe I could make Jaws 623 00:26:33,471 --> 00:26:36,724 "with a real tip of my cap toward Hitch." 624 00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:41,104 PEELE: The whole question of Jaws is "How big is it? 625 00:26:41,979 --> 00:26:44,774 "What does this fish really look like underneath?" 626 00:26:44,857 --> 00:26:47,026 And throughout the film, 627 00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:49,362 he gives us a little bit more of a taste as we go. 628 00:26:51,447 --> 00:26:53,407 When we were shooting the scene, 629 00:26:53,491 --> 00:26:55,034 she had a harness on, 630 00:26:55,118 --> 00:26:57,537 and so we had a line that would go 631 00:26:57,620 --> 00:27:00,581 to five people on one rope, 632 00:27:00,665 --> 00:27:03,084 and five people on another rope. 633 00:27:04,544 --> 00:27:06,087 I wanted this effect. 634 00:27:07,004 --> 00:27:08,631 Back and forth. 635 00:27:09,841 --> 00:27:11,467 And I thought it would be a lot scarier 636 00:27:11,551 --> 00:27:13,594 if we see the force 637 00:27:13,678 --> 00:27:16,472 of how the shark is carrying her across the water. 638 00:27:16,556 --> 00:27:18,641 I will never forget the opening sequence, 639 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:22,103 where she is dragged ruthlessly through the ocean, 640 00:27:22,186 --> 00:27:24,397 and the different camera perspectives 641 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,274 and how she's being pulled away from us, 642 00:27:26,357 --> 00:27:29,569 powerless to this threat beneath the surface. 643 00:27:29,652 --> 00:27:34,031 If they're willing to do that three minutes into the movie, 644 00:27:34,115 --> 00:27:37,535 what else are they willing to do? 645 00:27:37,618 --> 00:27:40,121 (SCREAMING) Oh, God, help me! 646 00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:42,999 God, please help! 647 00:28:00,266 --> 00:28:02,101 Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, 648 00:28:02,768 --> 00:28:04,937 an island off the Eastern Seaboard. 649 00:28:05,021 --> 00:28:08,357 Beautiful, picturesque, and about to be disguised 650 00:28:08,441 --> 00:28:10,484 as the fictional town of Amity. 651 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,865 MAN: ls it true that the art director 652 00:28:15,948 --> 00:28:17,742 is the one that chose Martha's Vineyard? 653 00:28:17,825 --> 00:28:19,035 The art director came down 654 00:28:19,118 --> 00:28:21,078 and looked at the entire Eastern Seaboard. 655 00:28:22,705 --> 00:28:25,333 I don't know why, but I had heard a lot about Martha's Vineyard 656 00:28:25,416 --> 00:28:28,169 as a small summer community 657 00:28:28,252 --> 00:28:29,879 that might suit this picture, 658 00:28:29,962 --> 00:28:31,380 and I suggested he go to see it. 659 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,762 ALVES: I needed a bay with a 25-foot depth and a low tide. 660 00:28:38,429 --> 00:28:40,014 I had a whole map of New England, 661 00:28:40,848 --> 00:28:43,935 and I went through all these various little villages, 662 00:28:44,936 --> 00:28:47,146 and I see there's a boat to Martha's Vineyard. 663 00:28:47,772 --> 00:28:50,608 So I went there, January 17th, 664 00:28:51,984 --> 00:28:55,488 and I found out the depth was only 25 feet, two-foot tide, 665 00:28:56,072 --> 00:29:00,076 and I thought, "Oh my God, this is gonna be a success." 666 00:29:01,410 --> 00:29:04,080 KRAMER: Martha's Vineyard is an island. 667 00:29:04,163 --> 00:29:05,873 It's a little spit of land 668 00:29:05,957 --> 00:29:07,875 off the coast of Massachusetts. 669 00:29:08,542 --> 00:29:13,047 It is a stunning piece of land and a summer resort. 670 00:29:14,924 --> 00:29:17,218 I've spent a lot of time in Martha's Vineyard, 671 00:29:17,301 --> 00:29:19,804 and all of the non-actors that he used, 672 00:29:19,887 --> 00:29:21,806 they really represent the spirit 673 00:29:21,889 --> 00:29:24,600 of this idyllic, peaceful, safe place 674 00:29:24,684 --> 00:29:26,185 that's sort of bohemian, 675 00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:27,853 and I think even if you go now, 676 00:29:27,937 --> 00:29:29,981 it feels like a '70s time capsule still. 677 00:29:30,064 --> 00:29:32,733 And I think all of that helped 678 00:29:32,817 --> 00:29:36,195 because it gives the world such authenticity. 679 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:37,280 Listen, Chief. 680 00:29:38,489 --> 00:29:39,615 Be careful, will you? 681 00:29:39,699 --> 00:29:40,700 In this town? 682 00:29:40,783 --> 00:29:42,159 Hey. Hi, Dad. 683 00:29:42,952 --> 00:29:44,870 Martha's Vineyard was a delightful place to shoot. 684 00:29:44,954 --> 00:29:45,997 I really enjoyed it. 685 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,373 It was thrilling. 686 00:29:47,456 --> 00:29:49,917 I'd never been on a location before, 687 00:29:50,001 --> 00:29:52,253 other than for television shoots. 688 00:29:52,336 --> 00:29:53,838 But never for a movie, 689 00:29:53,921 --> 00:29:56,549 and I was feeling so full of myself. 690 00:29:57,466 --> 00:29:59,885 MAN: Martha's Vineyard means so much to this movie, Jaws. 691 00:29:59,969 --> 00:30:02,346 If you think of it, there are only eight people 692 00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:03,848 that came from Hollywood to be in this movie. 693 00:30:03,931 --> 00:30:06,225 You have Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss, 694 00:30:06,309 --> 00:30:07,810 Robert Shaw, Lorraine Gary, 695 00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:10,104 Murray Hamilton, Teddy Grossman, 696 00:30:10,187 --> 00:30:12,106 Susan Backlinie and Carl Gottlieb. 697 00:30:12,189 --> 00:30:13,899 Everyone else you see in the movie 698 00:30:13,983 --> 00:30:15,526 are locals from Martha's Vineyard. 699 00:30:15,609 --> 00:30:17,403 We had a shark attack at South Beach 700 00:30:17,486 --> 00:30:19,030 this morning, Mayor! Fatal! 701 00:30:19,113 --> 00:30:20,364 I've got to batten down the beach! 702 00:30:20,948 --> 00:30:23,492 KRAMER: I read about the shooting of Jaws 703 00:30:23,576 --> 00:30:25,911 in the Vineyard newspapers. 704 00:30:25,995 --> 00:30:29,040 So I called my agent and he set up a meeting, 705 00:30:29,123 --> 00:30:31,292 and I flew to Boston and met Steven. 706 00:30:31,375 --> 00:30:33,627 He knew I was from the island, 707 00:30:33,711 --> 00:30:37,798 and I think he wanted some real island feel. 708 00:30:37,882 --> 00:30:41,052 And listen, I was lucky to be in this. 709 00:30:41,177 --> 00:30:43,679 You folks were born here, right? Yeah. I'm an islander. 710 00:30:43,763 --> 00:30:47,266 When we did Jaws, I turned 19 in January of that year. 711 00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:51,062 They tried to put me in a pair of sort of bell bottom blue jeans, 712 00:30:51,145 --> 00:30:53,898 and what almost would have been the top of a union suit 713 00:30:53,981 --> 00:30:55,483 that was sort of tie-dyed and pink. 714 00:30:55,566 --> 00:30:59,111 And I was like, "it's not really what I'd wear." 715 00:30:59,695 --> 00:31:01,947 So they said, "Okay, well, bring your own wardrobe." 716 00:31:02,031 --> 00:31:05,076 So a pair of khakis, an Oxford cloth shirt, 717 00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:08,245 and I still have the sweater that I wore. 718 00:31:08,329 --> 00:31:09,580 INTERVIEWER: Wow, put it on like this. 719 00:31:09,663 --> 00:31:10,664 There we go. 720 00:31:11,791 --> 00:31:14,293 INTERVIEWER: Wow. You know what the best news is? 721 00:31:14,377 --> 00:31:16,212 It still fits. Yes! Amazing, huh? 722 00:31:17,171 --> 00:31:20,341 SPIELBERG: Well, I had very good success casting Sugarland Express 723 00:31:20,424 --> 00:31:22,843 with a casting director named Shari Rhodes. 724 00:31:23,594 --> 00:31:26,305 And we had tremendous success with real people. 725 00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:28,140 Did you ever do some time in prison, son? 726 00:31:28,224 --> 00:31:30,184 So I asked Shari if she would cast Jaws, 727 00:31:30,267 --> 00:31:32,311 and I said, "Let's get locals from Martha's Vineyard 728 00:31:32,395 --> 00:31:34,814 to perform in this movie, or even from Boston. 729 00:31:35,398 --> 00:31:38,609 SODERBERGH: Shari Rhodes did an amazing job 730 00:31:38,692 --> 00:31:41,070 of casting people who looked and acted 731 00:31:41,153 --> 00:31:43,823 like they just walked in off the street. 732 00:31:43,906 --> 00:31:44,949 What kind of shark? 733 00:31:45,032 --> 00:31:46,367 A tiger shark. 734 00:31:47,535 --> 00:31:48,619 A what? 735 00:31:48,702 --> 00:31:50,996 She spent time there and got to know people. 736 00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:53,791 I just put some sun tan lotion on 737 00:31:53,874 --> 00:31:56,293 and, uh, I'm trying to absorb some of this sun. 738 00:31:56,377 --> 00:31:57,586 Nobody's going in. 739 00:31:58,712 --> 00:32:00,548 Please. Get in the water. 740 00:32:00,631 --> 00:32:03,676 I mean, all those people in that board meeting 741 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:06,345 in the town hall, they're real. 742 00:32:06,429 --> 00:32:10,057 Is that $3,000 bounty on the shark in cash or check? 743 00:32:10,141 --> 00:32:11,767 (ALL LAUGHING) 744 00:32:11,851 --> 00:32:12,852 I don't think that's funny. 745 00:32:12,935 --> 00:32:14,728 I don't think that's funny at all. 746 00:32:14,812 --> 00:32:16,147 It gives the whole movie 747 00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:18,732 more of a documentary impromptu feel. 748 00:32:18,816 --> 00:32:21,610 Hello. Hello back, young feller. 749 00:32:21,694 --> 00:32:22,945 How are you? 750 00:32:23,028 --> 00:32:24,488 MAN 1: This is Craig Kingsbury, 751 00:32:24,572 --> 00:32:26,824 known by some folks on the island 752 00:32:26,907 --> 00:32:28,075 as the island character. 753 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,369 KINGSBURY: it's like one big family. 754 00:32:30,453 --> 00:32:32,746 And you hear what's going on in Edgartown? 755 00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:35,583 A lot of it's laughable and joking and fun 756 00:32:35,666 --> 00:32:37,418 and family fights and all that, 757 00:32:37,501 --> 00:32:38,752 but they all get out. 758 00:32:38,836 --> 00:32:40,713 MAN 2: What's the serious business, though? 759 00:32:40,796 --> 00:32:42,590 We don't have anything too serious. 760 00:32:42,673 --> 00:32:45,217 SPIELBERG: Kingsbury made all his dialogue up. 761 00:32:45,301 --> 00:32:47,636 Every time he opens his mouth, that's Craig talking. 762 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,054 We didn't write lines for him. 763 00:32:49,138 --> 00:32:51,140 Why don't we get them silly bastards 764 00:32:51,223 --> 00:32:52,433 down in that rock pile? 765 00:32:52,516 --> 00:32:53,517 There'll be some fun. 766 00:32:53,601 --> 00:32:55,895 They'll wish their fathers had never met their mothers 767 00:32:55,978 --> 00:32:57,897 when they start taking their bottoms out 768 00:32:57,980 --> 00:33:00,107 and slamming into them rocks, boy. 769 00:33:00,191 --> 00:33:01,901 Every character has a little bit of an arc, 770 00:33:01,984 --> 00:33:03,235 a little bit of a story, 771 00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:04,778 so that when they enter the picture, 772 00:33:04,862 --> 00:33:06,280 you're interested in them, 773 00:33:06,363 --> 00:33:08,574 and when they exit the picture, you miss them. 774 00:33:09,867 --> 00:33:12,495 SPIELBERG: I feel that Jaws is more of a people picture 775 00:33:12,578 --> 00:33:13,787 than a shark movie. 776 00:33:13,871 --> 00:33:15,414 Without those people, 777 00:33:15,498 --> 00:33:17,166 you wouldn't give a hang about the shark. 778 00:33:22,004 --> 00:33:24,507 We're in one of our locations here on Martha's Vineyard 779 00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:26,050 in the town of Oak Bluffs, 780 00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:28,969 and this is one of our four retail stores in town, 781 00:33:29,053 --> 00:33:30,471 and it's one of the places 782 00:33:30,554 --> 00:33:33,057 where we keep the Jaws memory alive. 783 00:33:34,183 --> 00:33:36,936 I'm Todd Rebello, my brother played Michael Brody. 784 00:33:37,019 --> 00:33:38,270 His name was Chris Rebello. 785 00:33:38,354 --> 00:33:40,272 Mom. I got cut. 786 00:33:40,356 --> 00:33:41,732 I got bit by a vampire. 787 00:33:41,815 --> 00:33:43,734 I have one great memory 788 00:33:43,817 --> 00:33:45,528 of the day when he says, "I got bit by a vampire." 789 00:33:46,362 --> 00:33:47,571 We were out on the front lawn, 790 00:33:47,655 --> 00:33:50,366 and it was my brother and I and Steven, 791 00:33:50,449 --> 00:33:53,577 and he was just asking us question after question. 792 00:33:53,661 --> 00:33:55,621 He really did relate to somebody young. 793 00:33:55,704 --> 00:33:58,624 You know, it could have been your older brother in a sense. 794 00:33:59,166 --> 00:34:00,709 The pond's for old ladies. 795 00:34:00,793 --> 00:34:01,961 I know it's for the old ladies, 796 00:34:02,044 --> 00:34:03,837 but just do it for the old man, huh? 797 00:34:03,921 --> 00:34:05,673 TODD: My brother passed away at 37. 798 00:34:05,756 --> 00:34:07,841 It was fairly tragic. Three kids. 799 00:34:07,925 --> 00:34:10,594 So anything I could do to keep that memory alive 800 00:34:10,678 --> 00:34:12,513 and the memory of him, I try to help. 801 00:34:17,059 --> 00:34:20,813 After a couple of days of being on the set with my children, 802 00:34:20,896 --> 00:34:25,693 I was asked to be in charge of taking care of the kids. 803 00:34:26,569 --> 00:34:29,113 Most of the time, I was in the background 804 00:34:29,196 --> 00:34:30,906 and I had my movie camera with me. 805 00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:33,200 That was back in the Super 8 days. 806 00:34:35,703 --> 00:34:38,872 I was very happy to see all the local people 807 00:34:38,956 --> 00:34:40,040 being a part of this, 808 00:34:40,124 --> 00:34:42,626 and we would talk about it even years later. 809 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:44,503 We still do, as a matter of fact, 810 00:34:44,587 --> 00:34:45,879 with Jeff Voorhees, 811 00:34:45,963 --> 00:34:48,173 the little boy that gets eaten by the shark. 812 00:34:48,257 --> 00:34:51,385 I'm gonna go and get my raft and go back out in the water. 813 00:34:51,468 --> 00:34:52,636 Let me see your fingers. 814 00:34:53,846 --> 00:34:56,390 Oh. Alex Kintner, they're beginning to prune. 815 00:34:56,473 --> 00:34:58,183 Just let me go out a little longer. 816 00:34:58,809 --> 00:35:00,102 Just ten more minutes. 817 00:35:00,185 --> 00:35:01,186 Thanks. 818 00:35:01,687 --> 00:35:04,106 VOORHEES: They filmed that here in May, 819 00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:05,733 that's when that scene I was in. 820 00:35:06,233 --> 00:35:07,651 And if you know the water up here 821 00:35:07,735 --> 00:35:09,695 in New England, Martha's Vineyard, 822 00:35:10,321 --> 00:35:12,489 you know, I won't swim here now until July. 823 00:35:12,573 --> 00:35:14,867 This water's freezing cold in May. 824 00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:16,201 So people were like, "Were you afraid of the shark?" 825 00:35:16,285 --> 00:35:19,371 No, I was afraid of freezing my 12-year-old ass off in that water. 826 00:35:22,124 --> 00:35:23,542 SODERBERGH: I think the Kintner scene 827 00:35:23,626 --> 00:35:27,546 is a beautiful example of Spielberg's gift. 828 00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:30,591 J.J. ABRAMS: Every single choice he makes, 829 00:35:30,674 --> 00:35:33,552 it's about the tension and the paranoia 830 00:35:33,636 --> 00:35:36,180 and that sense of, you don't know quite where to look. 831 00:35:36,263 --> 00:35:39,558 JORDAN PEELE: The tension that's built with the cinematic devices 832 00:35:39,642 --> 00:35:41,602 in this scene are so immersive, 833 00:35:41,685 --> 00:35:43,604 so seamless and flawless. 834 00:35:45,689 --> 00:35:49,151 It's got the wipes, it's got the split diopter. 835 00:35:49,943 --> 00:35:52,613 And then when it hits the push-pull zoom 836 00:35:52,696 --> 00:35:54,281 that Hitchcock pioneered... 837 00:35:54,365 --> 00:35:56,742 It just brings the audience along 838 00:35:56,825 --> 00:35:58,702 in the perfect pacing, 839 00:35:59,578 --> 00:36:01,080 and then it's delivered. 840 00:36:06,293 --> 00:36:07,920 SODERBERGH: All of this is in the aid 841 00:36:08,003 --> 00:36:12,466 of putting you inside of Brody's experience 842 00:36:12,549 --> 00:36:14,760 of being on the beach that day 843 00:36:14,843 --> 00:36:17,429 when this terrible thing happens. 844 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:19,848 Get everybody out! Come on. 845 00:36:19,932 --> 00:36:21,433 Everybody, get out! 846 00:36:21,517 --> 00:36:23,727 In those days, I wasn't thinking about cinema. 847 00:36:24,353 --> 00:36:26,855 I was thinking about shots. 848 00:36:26,939 --> 00:36:28,816 When to go close and when to be wide, 849 00:36:28,899 --> 00:36:30,859 when to give the audience a sense of geography 850 00:36:30,943 --> 00:36:32,111 so they're not lost. 851 00:36:32,653 --> 00:36:35,698 VOORHEES: At first, shooting the scene, they had a mannequin. 852 00:36:36,949 --> 00:36:38,450 They put it on a raft, 853 00:36:38,534 --> 00:36:41,495 and the mechanical shark bites this little mannequin. 854 00:36:44,623 --> 00:36:46,250 And there was this big barrel 855 00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:47,751 right near the top of the water, 856 00:36:47,835 --> 00:36:49,128 and it's full of blood. He goes, 857 00:36:49,211 --> 00:36:51,839 "You're gonna take your raft out to that barrel," 858 00:36:51,922 --> 00:36:52,923 and all of a sudden, 859 00:36:53,006 --> 00:36:55,676 all the blood starts shooting up like a rocket. 860 00:36:56,385 --> 00:36:58,345 When you see me go up and down, 861 00:36:58,429 --> 00:37:00,806 that's two guys lifting me in and out of the water, 862 00:37:00,889 --> 00:37:02,015 then pull you under and give you air. 863 00:37:02,099 --> 00:37:03,392 (GASPING) 864 00:37:04,852 --> 00:37:05,853 FLIGOR: Poor Jeff. 865 00:37:05,936 --> 00:37:07,813 He came up out of the water, 866 00:37:07,896 --> 00:37:10,607 you know, he got all that stuff out of his eyes. 867 00:37:11,358 --> 00:37:12,609 Alex? 868 00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:14,820 FLIGOR: And then he did it again and it worked fine. 869 00:37:16,071 --> 00:37:17,156 Alex? 870 00:37:20,743 --> 00:37:24,496 These are rare events, but the reality is it does happen. 871 00:37:24,580 --> 00:37:27,291 A shark is attracted to the exact kind of splashing 872 00:37:27,374 --> 00:37:29,710 and activity that occurs whenever human beings go in swimming. 873 00:37:29,793 --> 00:37:30,836 You cannot avoid it. 874 00:37:31,503 --> 00:37:33,005 The sharks are not infesting the waters, 875 00:37:33,088 --> 00:37:34,590 the sharks live in the water, right? 876 00:37:34,673 --> 00:37:37,301 And we put ourselves into their environment, 877 00:37:37,384 --> 00:37:38,886 and so we are taking an inherent risk 878 00:37:38,969 --> 00:37:41,221 any time we choose to go into the water. 879 00:37:41,305 --> 00:37:43,807 The only way that a shark can taste something 880 00:37:43,891 --> 00:37:45,309 or can know what something is, 881 00:37:45,392 --> 00:37:46,852 is literally by biting it. 882 00:37:46,935 --> 00:37:48,395 And they make a decision about whether 883 00:37:48,479 --> 00:37:50,689 that's going to be what they're going to eat or not. 884 00:37:50,773 --> 00:37:52,691 And in a lot of cases, they'll just say 885 00:37:52,775 --> 00:37:54,860 "No, that's not right," and they'll swim away. 886 00:37:54,943 --> 00:37:57,738 There was a deadly shark attack on Cape Cod. 887 00:37:57,821 --> 00:38:00,407 It is the first fatal shark attack 888 00:38:00,491 --> 00:38:03,869 in Massachusetts since 1936. 889 00:38:03,952 --> 00:38:07,122 When boogie boarder Arthur Medici was killed 890 00:38:07,206 --> 00:38:09,416 by a great white shark off Cape Cod, 891 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,335 where we do all of our research, 892 00:38:11,418 --> 00:38:14,004 it had a profound effect personally 893 00:38:14,087 --> 00:38:16,548 and subsequently, professionally. 894 00:38:16,632 --> 00:38:20,427 It was the first fatality in over 80 years on the Cape, 895 00:38:20,511 --> 00:38:23,222 and it impacted the whole community. 896 00:38:23,305 --> 00:38:25,641 Are you going to close the beaches? 897 00:38:26,809 --> 00:38:27,976 Yes, we are. 898 00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:29,686 (ALL CLAMORING) 899 00:38:29,770 --> 00:38:32,606 SKOMAL: Unlike the film, we weren't trying to hide anything. 900 00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:36,276 And I will admit there was one or two beach managers 901 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,445 that didn't want to talk about sharks. 902 00:38:38,529 --> 00:38:39,655 It's all psychological. 903 00:38:40,322 --> 00:38:41,782 You yell, "Barracuda," 904 00:38:42,574 --> 00:38:44,076 everybody says, "Huh? What?" 905 00:38:45,744 --> 00:38:47,162 You yell, "Shark," 906 00:38:48,872 --> 00:38:51,416 we've got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July. 907 00:38:52,835 --> 00:38:54,753 SKERRY: Jaws came out at a moment in history, 908 00:38:54,837 --> 00:38:56,129 certainly in the United States, 909 00:38:56,213 --> 00:38:58,048 but worldwide as well, 910 00:38:58,841 --> 00:39:02,344 where we were just emerging from civil unrest. 911 00:39:03,262 --> 00:39:05,556 That era in the early '70s 912 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:10,686 spoke to these emotional elements within humans 913 00:39:10,769 --> 00:39:12,604 about fear, about danger, 914 00:39:12,688 --> 00:39:16,233 about things that don't have easy answers. 915 00:39:16,316 --> 00:39:18,777 What was happening in America was the Vietnam War 916 00:39:18,861 --> 00:39:19,945 and Watergate. 917 00:39:20,028 --> 00:39:23,615 I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 918 00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:26,743 SPIELBERG: These were the turbulent times while we were making the film. 919 00:39:28,704 --> 00:39:30,289 The idea of a corrupt politician 920 00:39:30,372 --> 00:39:32,666 trying to hide something from the citizens 921 00:39:32,749 --> 00:39:34,418 was very powerful. 922 00:39:34,501 --> 00:39:37,671 Murray Hamilton, in a kind of local government, 923 00:39:37,754 --> 00:39:42,009 represented power and commerce over human safety, 924 00:39:42,843 --> 00:39:44,136 so he represented a lot. 925 00:39:45,888 --> 00:39:49,433 (SOBBING) You knew it was dangerous, 926 00:39:49,516 --> 00:39:51,768 but you let people go swimming anyway. 927 00:39:52,352 --> 00:39:55,689 PEELE: The shark isn't even the greatest monster in the film. 928 00:39:55,772 --> 00:39:58,984 The fact that the money in the bottom line 929 00:39:59,067 --> 00:40:00,903 is working under the surface 930 00:40:00,986 --> 00:40:04,323 as being more valuable than the lives at stake 931 00:40:04,406 --> 00:40:06,533 is something that is always 932 00:40:06,617 --> 00:40:10,287 true to a certain extent in this capitalist society. 933 00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:11,872 We will be open for business. 934 00:40:11,955 --> 00:40:13,832 It's gonna be one of the best summers we've ever had. 935 00:40:13,916 --> 00:40:15,626 The book got a lot of curious reviews. 936 00:40:15,709 --> 00:40:17,127 Some people really liked it a lot, 937 00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:18,211 some people hated it. 938 00:40:18,295 --> 00:40:20,756 Those beaches will be open for this weekend. 939 00:40:20,839 --> 00:40:22,633 My favorite review of all, 940 00:40:22,716 --> 00:40:24,343 I never even read because it wasn't written. 941 00:40:24,426 --> 00:40:27,304 Frank Mankiewicz was interviewing Fidel Castro 942 00:40:27,387 --> 00:40:29,431 and asking, "What do you read?" 943 00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:30,891 And Castro said, 944 00:40:30,974 --> 00:40:33,018 "Well, most recently, I've read a book called Tiburon." 945 00:40:33,685 --> 00:40:34,853 And Mankiewicz said 946 00:40:34,937 --> 00:40:36,855 "Why are you reading commercial American thrillers?" 947 00:40:36,939 --> 00:40:38,649 And Castro said, "Ah, no, you're wrong. 948 00:40:38,732 --> 00:40:40,192 "This is not a commercial American thriller. 949 00:40:40,275 --> 00:40:43,278 "This is a marvelous metaphor about the corruption of capitalism." 950 00:40:44,196 --> 00:40:46,949 And I tried to get Doubleday to use it in an ad. 951 00:40:47,032 --> 00:40:48,700 Can you imagine the ad that says, 952 00:40:48,784 --> 00:40:51,411 "Marvelous metaphor about the corruption of capitalism 953 00:40:51,495 --> 00:40:52,871 "- Fidel Castro"? 954 00:40:52,955 --> 00:40:56,249 Who else could have a quote from Fidel Castro. Please? 955 00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:57,334 But they wouldn't do it. 956 00:40:58,627 --> 00:41:00,754 REPORTER: In recent days, a cloud has appeared 957 00:41:00,837 --> 00:41:03,340 on the horizon of this beautiful resort community. 958 00:41:03,423 --> 00:41:06,093 A cloud in the shape of a killer shark. 959 00:41:06,927 --> 00:41:09,429 MAN: I was in my apartment, and Jaws was on the TV. 960 00:41:09,513 --> 00:41:12,307 My dad has almost been dead for 20 years now, 961 00:41:12,391 --> 00:41:14,476 and suddenly I heard my dad talking to me. 962 00:41:15,102 --> 00:41:16,436 And I kind of stopped and turned around. 963 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,938 It was because it was the scene in Jaws, 964 00:41:18,021 --> 00:41:19,481 where he was interviewing the mayor on the beach. 965 00:41:20,273 --> 00:41:21,274 MAN 1: Background action. 966 00:41:21,358 --> 00:41:23,986 With me here today is the mayor of Amity, Lawrence Vaughn. 967 00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:27,072 Now, Mr. Vaughn, how about those rumors? 968 00:41:27,155 --> 00:41:28,407 MAN 2: All right, Murray, that'll do it. 969 00:41:28,991 --> 00:41:30,117 MAN 3: Cut! 970 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,910 CLAYTON: I love when we're able to go back and see him 971 00:41:31,994 --> 00:41:33,537 and remember everything about him. 972 00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:35,080 And it's really a gift. 973 00:41:35,706 --> 00:41:38,834 The beaches are open, and people are having a wonderful time. 974 00:41:38,917 --> 00:41:40,794 Amity, as you know, means friendship. 975 00:41:41,837 --> 00:41:43,213 MAN: David, you and I have talked about this. 976 00:41:43,296 --> 00:41:44,631 We were both around during the shooting 977 00:41:44,715 --> 00:41:47,384 of a big beach panic scene, and we wondered, 978 00:41:47,467 --> 00:41:50,429 "God, what would happen if something really did come in 979 00:41:50,512 --> 00:41:52,264 "during a scene like this, and begin to eat people?" 980 00:41:52,347 --> 00:41:54,808 The Cape Cod radio, only last night, 981 00:41:54,891 --> 00:41:57,310 recorded the spotting of a great white. 982 00:41:58,061 --> 00:42:01,440 So close to the shore that it was observed by a lifeguard, 983 00:42:01,523 --> 00:42:04,693 which adds further credence to the notion that our beach panic 984 00:42:04,776 --> 00:42:08,447 might indeed have been invaded by a great white, 985 00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:10,824 in which case, we would have had a double beach panic, 986 00:42:10,907 --> 00:42:12,200 or, more horrifyingly, 987 00:42:12,284 --> 00:42:14,703 our actors would have thought it was part of the movie. 988 00:42:14,786 --> 00:42:16,997 We would have had to use the old Pearl Harbor line, 989 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,749 "This is no drill." (MEN LAUGHING) 990 00:42:25,505 --> 00:42:27,674 The bridge is the number one spot, 991 00:42:27,758 --> 00:42:29,843 and it's also the number one fun spot 992 00:42:29,926 --> 00:42:32,721 because while you're not supposed to jump off the bridge, 993 00:42:33,388 --> 00:42:36,391 150,200 people jump off that bridge an hour. 994 00:42:37,809 --> 00:42:40,312 I have yet to jump off the Jaws Bridge. 995 00:42:40,395 --> 00:42:43,065 I have not plucked up the courage to do that. 996 00:42:43,148 --> 00:42:44,775 Sha... Shark! 997 00:42:45,358 --> 00:42:46,401 It's a shark! 998 00:42:47,778 --> 00:42:50,489 Jaws Bridge is where it all happened for me. 999 00:42:51,073 --> 00:42:54,451 I was one of the three boys on the sailfish 1000 00:42:54,534 --> 00:42:56,078 inside the estuary. 1001 00:42:56,703 --> 00:42:58,622 I can't do a damn thing until we get this undone. Get that rope undone. 1002 00:42:58,705 --> 00:43:00,165 You gotta untangle that up there! 1003 00:43:00,248 --> 00:43:01,333 ( INDISTINCT) I'm doing it! 1004 00:43:01,917 --> 00:43:04,377 BEN DAVID: My biggest highlight in life was having my children. 1005 00:43:04,878 --> 00:43:06,713 This was probably number two. 1006 00:43:07,506 --> 00:43:09,132 You guys okay over there? 1007 00:43:09,216 --> 00:43:11,343 I was gonna be a victim in the estuary. 1008 00:43:14,513 --> 00:43:16,139 When I dropped into the mouth, 1009 00:43:17,265 --> 00:43:19,101 the shark head would open, 1010 00:43:19,184 --> 00:43:21,186 and there's a lot of mechanism under there. 1011 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:23,939 And so that particular shot 1012 00:43:24,022 --> 00:43:26,108 was worked by the guys in the barge with air rams. 1013 00:43:26,191 --> 00:43:27,818 You know, everybody's working the mouth, 1014 00:43:27,901 --> 00:43:30,070 one guy works the head, moving back and forth. 1015 00:43:31,071 --> 00:43:32,823 You think, "Jeez, am I gonna get in this shark's mouth? 1016 00:43:32,906 --> 00:43:34,491 "Thing's gonna clamp on me." 1017 00:43:34,574 --> 00:43:36,159 (PANTING) 1018 00:43:36,243 --> 00:43:38,745 But Bob Mattey did all the shark special effects. 1019 00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:39,830 He was fabulous. 1020 00:43:44,709 --> 00:43:45,919 (MAN SCREAMING) 1021 00:43:46,002 --> 00:43:48,255 There are a couple of scenes that were shot 1022 00:43:48,338 --> 00:43:51,800 where he really does look like a great white shark 1023 00:43:51,883 --> 00:43:54,553 that I would see in my work right now. 1024 00:43:55,137 --> 00:43:57,389 When the shark turns on its side, 1025 00:43:57,472 --> 00:44:00,934 that to me is an incredibly realistic view 1026 00:44:01,017 --> 00:44:02,477 of a white shark. 1027 00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:04,396 SPIELBERG: I wanted it to be real. 1028 00:44:04,479 --> 00:44:06,565 I wanted to show what happens when a shark bites you. 1029 00:44:09,192 --> 00:44:10,861 I was certainly aware I was going to make it 1030 00:44:10,944 --> 00:44:14,656 as scary and as realistically brutal as I possibly could. 1031 00:44:14,739 --> 00:44:15,949 MAN: Marking. 1032 00:44:17,868 --> 00:44:19,619 And then later on in the editing room, 1033 00:44:19,703 --> 00:44:21,079 I was able to come to my senses 1034 00:44:21,163 --> 00:44:23,498 in a couple of sequences, and cut things out 1035 00:44:23,582 --> 00:44:26,793 long before the MPAA ever saw the movie. 1036 00:44:28,712 --> 00:44:32,090 I think a great horror or great thriller 1037 00:44:32,174 --> 00:44:36,178 is the perfect tailor-made nightmare 1038 00:44:36,261 --> 00:44:38,054 for its protagonist. 1039 00:44:38,138 --> 00:44:39,556 And, you know, when you talk about 1040 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:41,391 the mysticism of Jaws, 1041 00:44:41,474 --> 00:44:44,394 this shark getting closer and closer 1042 00:44:44,477 --> 00:44:48,398 to this person who doesn't like the water. 1043 00:44:49,065 --> 00:44:51,026 It's this mystical connection between 1044 00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:53,028 hero and monster, and you feel that. 1045 00:44:57,532 --> 00:45:00,035 MAN 1: Guys, we can't shoot right now. Hold on. MAN 2: Hold on. 1046 00:45:01,536 --> 00:45:04,247 MAN 3: Pull the anchor up and reset it out there, okay? 1047 00:45:04,956 --> 00:45:09,502 YOUNG SPIELBERG: This is my second day at sea, and I have 54 more days to go. 1048 00:45:10,337 --> 00:45:14,466 And if I survive this, I'll have learned a lot, 1049 00:45:14,549 --> 00:45:16,635 because right now, all I can tell you 1050 00:45:16,718 --> 00:45:18,762 is it's twice as slow shooting at sea 1051 00:45:18,845 --> 00:45:20,138 as it is shooting on land. 1052 00:45:20,222 --> 00:45:21,973 MAN 4: When they finally went on the water, 1053 00:45:22,057 --> 00:45:25,268 they needed local support boats and operators. 1054 00:45:25,352 --> 00:45:27,145 I did my acting part 1055 00:45:27,229 --> 00:45:28,730 and then I was fortunate enough 1056 00:45:28,813 --> 00:45:30,649 to be able to be part of the Marine department. 1057 00:45:30,732 --> 00:45:33,860 And that's where I really saw the bit of behind the scenes 1058 00:45:33,944 --> 00:45:35,654 of what went into the show. 1059 00:45:35,737 --> 00:45:37,697 They started filming at the beginning of May, 1060 00:45:37,781 --> 00:45:40,784 and thought they were gonna be gone by the Fourth of July. 1061 00:45:41,368 --> 00:45:43,703 And the schedule wasn't really holding that well 1062 00:45:43,787 --> 00:45:45,997 just because of what they were dealing with. 1063 00:45:46,081 --> 00:45:52,545 The month of August 1974 is a death march on the water. 1064 00:45:52,629 --> 00:45:55,674 We were on the ocean for, like, four and a half, five months, 1065 00:45:55,757 --> 00:45:59,344 and we all began going off the deep end, literally. 1066 00:45:59,427 --> 00:46:03,056 It's not the time it takes to take the take that takes the time, 1067 00:46:03,139 --> 00:46:04,641 it's the time it takes between the takes 1068 00:46:04,724 --> 00:46:07,018 that takes the time it takes to take. 1069 00:46:07,102 --> 00:46:08,561 CAMERON: Anytime you're dealing with water, 1070 00:46:08,645 --> 00:46:10,522 it doesn't get twice as hard, 1071 00:46:10,605 --> 00:46:13,149 it instantly gets five times as hard. 1072 00:46:13,233 --> 00:46:15,610 He always laughs whenever I do a water film. 1073 00:46:15,694 --> 00:46:17,570 He says, "Don't you know how hard this stuff is? 1074 00:46:17,654 --> 00:46:19,072 I said, "Yeah, I know!" (CHUCKLES) 1075 00:46:19,155 --> 00:46:22,117 SPIELBERG: There was nothing fun about making Jaws. 1076 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,037 It was a very, very hard thing to go out on the real ocean, 1077 00:46:26,121 --> 00:46:27,914 be knocked around by the waves, 1078 00:46:27,998 --> 00:46:29,082 by the currents. 1079 00:46:29,165 --> 00:46:30,500 One more time. 1080 00:46:30,583 --> 00:46:31,626 Shark comes up. 1081 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:34,963 And then we have to re-anchor, reposition the camera boat. 1082 00:46:35,046 --> 00:46:37,215 Suddenly, the electrical barge 1083 00:46:37,299 --> 00:46:40,218 with the generators running the arcs is too far away. 1084 00:46:40,302 --> 00:46:41,845 And then on top of all that, 1085 00:46:41,928 --> 00:46:43,346 80% of the time, the shark didn't work. 1086 00:46:44,806 --> 00:46:46,433 The first mistake with the shark was, 1087 00:46:46,516 --> 00:46:48,059 they built it for freshwater. 1088 00:46:48,143 --> 00:46:50,270 INTERVIEWER: What's the difference? Well, electrolysis. 1089 00:46:51,187 --> 00:46:52,772 They built the shark in a hurry, 1090 00:46:52,856 --> 00:46:55,734 and then they realized that saltwater eats everything. 1091 00:46:55,817 --> 00:46:57,861 They tested the shark for the first time in the water, 1092 00:46:57,944 --> 00:47:00,071 and we had at least 20 boats of tourists 1093 00:47:00,155 --> 00:47:01,531 who had gathered around an area 1094 00:47:01,614 --> 00:47:02,782 to watch the shark work. 1095 00:47:02,866 --> 00:47:04,909 And we had the shark on a huge 90-foot platform, 1096 00:47:04,993 --> 00:47:06,369 30 feet underwater. 1097 00:47:06,453 --> 00:47:07,996 At the press of a hydraulic button 1098 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:09,706 and pulling the lever back, supposedly, 1099 00:47:09,789 --> 00:47:11,958 the shark comes shooting out of the water headfirst, 1100 00:47:12,042 --> 00:47:13,126 and this has absolutely happened, 1101 00:47:13,209 --> 00:47:15,045 the shark came up tail first. 1102 00:47:15,837 --> 00:47:16,838 (PEOPLE LAUGHING) 1103 00:47:16,921 --> 00:47:20,175 Tail first, and it was like a 25-foot moon. 1104 00:47:20,258 --> 00:47:21,718 (BOTH LAUGH) 1105 00:47:22,302 --> 00:47:24,929 Some nights, we'd go to the warehouse, 1106 00:47:25,013 --> 00:47:27,432 and you'd see the sharks lined up there, 1107 00:47:27,515 --> 00:47:29,559 and they were always working on it. 1108 00:47:31,269 --> 00:47:34,064 And sometimes you'd get in the water, 1109 00:47:34,147 --> 00:47:35,565 and you'd see the shark go, 1110 00:47:35,648 --> 00:47:36,900 "Whoa... womp!" 1111 00:47:38,818 --> 00:47:42,447 You thought, "Oh, my God, are they gonna finish this movie?" 1112 00:47:43,656 --> 00:47:45,992 There were all these radio mics all over the island, 1113 00:47:46,076 --> 00:47:47,869 and they were always saying, 1114 00:47:47,952 --> 00:47:49,871 (MIMICS RADIO BUZZ) "The shark is not working. 1115 00:47:49,954 --> 00:47:51,122 "The shark is not working." 1116 00:47:51,206 --> 00:47:53,958 And then one day, you heard this, 1117 00:47:54,042 --> 00:47:56,961 "The shark is working. Repeat, the shark is working. 1118 00:47:57,045 --> 00:47:59,339 "The boat is sinking. The boat is sinking." 1119 00:47:59,422 --> 00:48:00,673 (LAUGHS) 1120 00:48:00,757 --> 00:48:02,092 And I was on that boat. 1121 00:48:02,675 --> 00:48:03,676 Time! 1122 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,220 SPIELBERG: What happened was we were pulling 1123 00:48:05,303 --> 00:48:07,097 one of the barrels away from the boat. 1124 00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:09,057 The problem was the motorboat went so fast, 1125 00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:11,935 it pulled the planking out from the hull of the Orca, 1126 00:48:12,018 --> 00:48:13,311 and, of course, the water rushed in, 1127 00:48:13,395 --> 00:48:15,688 and the boat sank in about two minutes. 1128 00:48:15,772 --> 00:48:17,190 DREYFUSS: "Get the actors off the boat! 1129 00:48:17,774 --> 00:48:19,275 "Get the actors off the boat!" 1130 00:48:19,859 --> 00:48:22,779 John Carter, who won an Academy Award for best sound for Jaws, 1131 00:48:22,862 --> 00:48:24,280 picked up the Nagra. 1132 00:48:24,364 --> 00:48:25,782 He was on the boat. And held it over his head, 1133 00:48:25,865 --> 00:48:28,535 and said, "(BLEEP) the actors, save the sound department!" 1134 00:48:29,744 --> 00:48:31,996 And I had this image to this day of John sinking, 1135 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,498 holding the Nagra over his head, 1136 00:48:33,581 --> 00:48:34,666 and he came up months later 1137 00:48:34,749 --> 00:48:36,334 with an Academy Award in his hand instead. 1138 00:48:37,669 --> 00:48:40,130 Sea conditions have been so impossible 1139 00:48:40,213 --> 00:48:41,965 that it's really hurt our schedule, 1140 00:48:42,048 --> 00:48:44,384 and we've been here 105 shooting days, 1141 00:48:44,467 --> 00:48:47,637 and we were only scheduled for something like 65 or 70. 1142 00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:49,389 MAN: What's this done to the budget? 1143 00:48:49,472 --> 00:48:52,142 Well, it's kicked it up about a million and a half dollars, unfortunately. 1144 00:48:53,059 --> 00:48:54,352 We're not sailors. 1145 00:48:54,436 --> 00:48:57,647 We were filmmakers and we were a film company, 1146 00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:59,858 and we were way out of our element. 1147 00:49:00,525 --> 00:49:02,068 There were times making that movie 1148 00:49:02,152 --> 00:49:04,737 where I thought Jaws would probably be 1149 00:49:04,821 --> 00:49:06,948 the last thing I ever made 1150 00:49:07,031 --> 00:49:09,075 before people would stop hiring me. 1151 00:49:10,493 --> 00:49:12,036 I mean, it was reported everywhere. 1152 00:49:12,787 --> 00:49:15,540 And when I did talk to him once in a while, 1153 00:49:15,623 --> 00:49:17,292 I knew he was having a hard time. 1154 00:49:18,293 --> 00:49:19,461 SODERBERGH: You're a story. 1155 00:49:19,544 --> 00:49:21,838 I mean, people in the entertainment industry 1156 00:49:21,921 --> 00:49:23,840 are talking about 1157 00:49:23,923 --> 00:49:27,010 what a troubled production this is. 1158 00:49:27,093 --> 00:49:29,012 The director said he faced the head of the studio 1159 00:49:29,095 --> 00:49:30,763 and he said, "I can't do it in time!" 1160 00:49:31,347 --> 00:49:32,974 SPIELBERG: About 60 days into the schedule, 1161 00:49:33,057 --> 00:49:35,393 and we were already, like, 20 days behind schedule. 1162 00:49:35,477 --> 00:49:37,645 And somebody from Hollywood, an actor, 1163 00:49:37,729 --> 00:49:38,730 came over to me and said, 1164 00:49:38,813 --> 00:49:42,066 "Everybody's talking about you're never gonna get a job after this movie 1165 00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:44,402 "because you're irresponsible with budget." 1166 00:49:44,486 --> 00:49:46,988 This actor was so sure I would never work again, 1167 00:49:47,071 --> 00:49:48,531 they didn't care if they told me that. 1168 00:49:48,615 --> 00:49:50,200 It was a very mean thing, by the way, to do. 1169 00:49:51,868 --> 00:49:53,870 I totally forgot about it when I got back to studio, 1170 00:49:53,953 --> 00:49:55,163 the movie that next week. 1171 00:49:55,788 --> 00:49:57,248 But that was really demoralizing. 1172 00:49:57,332 --> 00:49:58,791 And halfway through Jaws, 1173 00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:01,628 I couldn't guarantee control over anything. 1174 00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:05,757 There's a very real point 1175 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,592 in the production of this film, 1176 00:50:07,675 --> 00:50:09,928 where conversations are being had 1177 00:50:10,011 --> 00:50:14,933 about whether or not it's actually physically possible 1178 00:50:15,016 --> 00:50:16,601 to make this film. 1179 00:50:16,684 --> 00:50:18,853 We were so far over budget 1180 00:50:18,937 --> 00:50:21,022 on both shooting days and money, 1181 00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:24,067 there was a strong undercurrent 1182 00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:26,569 that the studio would close us down, they'd say, "Enough." 1183 00:50:26,653 --> 00:50:28,905 I never once felt like I wanted to quit. 1184 00:50:28,988 --> 00:50:31,574 I was terrified I was gonna be fired. 1185 00:50:31,658 --> 00:50:34,285 At one point, Sid Sheinberg, who ran the studio, 1186 00:50:34,369 --> 00:50:38,665 flew to Martha's Vineyard just to assess the damage. 1187 00:50:38,748 --> 00:50:40,625 And he was staying at the Kelley House, 1188 00:50:40,708 --> 00:50:42,418 a hotel there in Edgartown, 1189 00:50:42,502 --> 00:50:44,879 and he just pulled me behind the house. 1190 00:50:44,963 --> 00:50:47,840 We sat on these steps, these gray steps, together. 1191 00:50:47,924 --> 00:50:49,259 And we sat on the same step. 1192 00:50:49,342 --> 00:50:52,595 And he said, "I'm not sure this is possible, 1193 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:53,972 "finishing the film this way. 1194 00:50:54,055 --> 00:50:55,139 "What do you think we should do?" 1195 00:50:55,223 --> 00:50:57,225 And I just said, "No, I want to go. I want to finish it. 1196 00:50:57,308 --> 00:50:58,476 "I can finish this movie." 1197 00:50:59,018 --> 00:51:00,853 When you're by yourself at night, 1198 00:51:00,937 --> 00:51:02,897 it weighs more heavily than during the working day 1199 00:51:02,981 --> 00:51:05,775 when your mind is on getting good film. 1200 00:51:05,858 --> 00:51:08,152 SPIELBERG: Scorsese used to come over to the set. 1201 00:51:08,236 --> 00:51:10,572 From New York, he'd fly down to Martha's Vineyard. 1202 00:51:10,655 --> 00:51:12,448 And he would just sit there feeling sorry for me, 1203 00:51:12,532 --> 00:51:14,951 (LAUGHS) and we would commiserate. 1204 00:51:15,034 --> 00:51:16,578 I noticed you bite your fingernails a lot. 1205 00:51:16,661 --> 00:51:18,663 Is that why, because you're juggling all the cash? 1206 00:51:18,746 --> 00:51:20,540 Yeah. No, because I don't smoke, I don't drink. 1207 00:51:20,623 --> 00:51:24,544 I asked Steven, "What did you do to unwind on those days where, 1208 00:51:24,627 --> 00:51:27,297 "if the shark wasn't breaking, your spirit was breaking?" 1209 00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:30,341 (LAUGHS) Like, "What did you do to relax and blow off steam?" 1210 00:51:30,425 --> 00:51:32,510 And he said, "I used to go to the arcade." 1211 00:51:34,596 --> 00:51:35,888 SPIELBERG: I talked to my mom a lot. 1212 00:51:35,972 --> 00:51:37,390 I mean, I was talking to my mom, kind of like, 1213 00:51:37,473 --> 00:51:41,102 "Mommy, this is really impossible! Help!" 1214 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:48,192 It's really hard to read how slow things were going, 1215 00:51:48,818 --> 00:51:51,154 but also fascinating to see 1216 00:51:51,237 --> 00:51:56,034 how he's recalibrating, rebuilding it, reshooting, 1217 00:51:56,117 --> 00:51:58,745 coming up with ideas on set 1218 00:51:58,828 --> 00:52:04,042 to keep bringing the movie to life as he saw it. 1219 00:52:06,586 --> 00:52:07,920 "Slow ahead." 1220 00:52:08,004 --> 00:52:09,088 I can go slow ahead. 1221 00:52:09,172 --> 00:52:10,632 Come on down and chum some of this. 1222 00:52:13,426 --> 00:52:14,427 When the shark comes out 1223 00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:17,138 and Brody backs into the cabin, 1224 00:52:17,221 --> 00:52:19,515 I say, "Roy, when you back in, don't even look at him. 1225 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,726 "Just keep looking at where the shark breached. 1226 00:52:21,809 --> 00:52:24,062 "Just back into the cabin." 1227 00:52:24,145 --> 00:52:26,272 "And just say, 'You're gonna need a bigger boat."' 1228 00:52:26,356 --> 00:52:27,815 You're gonna need a bigger boat. 1229 00:52:28,483 --> 00:52:32,654 Chief Brody was, like, my first on-screen crush, with that tan. 1230 00:52:32,737 --> 00:52:34,238 It's actually the expression on his face, 1231 00:52:34,322 --> 00:52:36,574 where he's chumming, and then he comes up 1232 00:52:36,658 --> 00:52:38,826 and his head comes into frame like that, 1233 00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:41,663 and the cigarette's, like, wet, you know? (LAUGHS) 1234 00:52:41,746 --> 00:52:43,206 I will never forget that shot. 1235 00:52:43,289 --> 00:52:45,458 I was like, "Oh, God, he's like my dream guy." 1236 00:52:45,541 --> 00:52:47,210 You're gonna need a bigger boat. 1237 00:52:47,293 --> 00:52:48,795 (LAUGHS) 1238 00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:50,672 "You're gonna need a bigger boat", 1239 00:52:50,755 --> 00:52:55,218 is a flag that you can fly after you leave that movie. 1240 00:52:55,968 --> 00:52:59,055 CAMERON: I think it's impossible to write a timeless line. 1241 00:52:59,138 --> 00:53:00,932 You know what I mean? I don't think you're sitting there going, 1242 00:53:01,015 --> 00:53:02,100 "Oh, that... 1243 00:53:02,183 --> 00:53:04,060 "What I just wrote, that's gonna be timeless." 1244 00:53:04,143 --> 00:53:05,395 You know, because it's all the context. 1245 00:53:05,478 --> 00:53:07,313 Where is the audience in the film? 1246 00:53:07,397 --> 00:53:08,523 How tense are they? 1247 00:53:08,606 --> 00:53:10,775 And what kind of release will it trigger? 1248 00:53:10,858 --> 00:53:12,944 Even a line that's not that funny. 1249 00:53:13,027 --> 00:53:14,112 When Arnold said... 1250 00:53:14,195 --> 00:53:15,363 I'll be back. 1251 00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:18,783 CAMERON: You know, I didn't think that was going to be any big deal. 1252 00:53:18,866 --> 00:53:20,451 But the value of it is, 1253 00:53:20,535 --> 00:53:23,705 the audience is already in on the joke by that point, 1254 00:53:23,788 --> 00:53:25,123 so they read into it. 1255 00:53:25,206 --> 00:53:27,291 You put your gloves on, both of you! 1256 00:53:27,375 --> 00:53:30,169 Where the Hooper and Brody and Quint characters 1257 00:53:30,253 --> 00:53:33,297 came together and had to deal with each other's backgrounds, 1258 00:53:33,381 --> 00:53:35,049 it involved a lot of improvisation. 1259 00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:36,634 Hey, Quint. Let it go. 1260 00:53:36,718 --> 00:53:38,094 Hey, Hooper! 1261 00:53:38,177 --> 00:53:39,429 You may be a big yahoo in the lab, 1262 00:53:39,512 --> 00:53:40,763 but out here, you're just supercargo! 1263 00:53:40,847 --> 00:53:42,765 If you don't want to backstroke home, you get down here! 1264 00:53:42,849 --> 00:53:44,392 YOUNG SPIELBERG: And we had tape recorders running. 1265 00:53:44,475 --> 00:53:45,643 And taking that improvisation, 1266 00:53:45,727 --> 00:53:47,395 finding a good line from Dreyfuss here 1267 00:53:47,478 --> 00:53:49,480 and a good line from Robert Shaw here, 1268 00:53:49,564 --> 00:53:50,565 writing it down, 1269 00:53:50,648 --> 00:53:52,650 that became the day's work for the next day. 1270 00:53:52,734 --> 00:53:55,653 Hey, Chief. Best drop another chum marker. 1271 00:53:56,654 --> 00:53:58,197 SPIELBERG: And a lot of the movie was done that way. 1272 00:53:58,281 --> 00:54:00,658 The whole scene between Dreyfuss and Shaw, 1273 00:54:00,742 --> 00:54:02,493 sort of challenging each other, 1274 00:54:02,577 --> 00:54:05,288 where Quint drinks an entire can of beer, 1275 00:54:05,371 --> 00:54:06,831 and he crushes the can. 1276 00:54:07,749 --> 00:54:10,543 And Dreyfuss has a little Dixie Styrofoam cup of coffee, 1277 00:54:10,626 --> 00:54:12,295 and he crushes the Styrofoam. 1278 00:54:14,088 --> 00:54:15,298 That was made up on the day. 1279 00:54:15,381 --> 00:54:17,675 But we kept throwing ideas into the pot. 1280 00:54:18,176 --> 00:54:19,844 SHAW: Well, you know, we'll go out there. 1281 00:54:19,927 --> 00:54:21,012 There's just the three of us, 1282 00:54:21,095 --> 00:54:23,431 Scheider, Dreyfuss, me and the shark. 1283 00:54:23,514 --> 00:54:25,850 I think I know every detail of those two men's lives, 1284 00:54:25,933 --> 00:54:29,395 and it has been, to some extent, very boring. 1285 00:54:29,479 --> 00:54:31,981 They were three very different men 1286 00:54:32,064 --> 00:54:34,734 at three very different stages of their careers. 1287 00:54:34,817 --> 00:54:38,070 But I think part of the chemistry 1288 00:54:38,154 --> 00:54:41,073 is that there was a bit of themselves 1289 00:54:41,157 --> 00:54:42,909 that bled into those roles. 1290 00:54:42,992 --> 00:54:45,161 You've got city hands, Mr. Hooper. 1291 00:54:45,244 --> 00:54:46,704 You've been counting money all your life. 1292 00:54:46,788 --> 00:54:48,372 All right, all right. Hey, I don't need this! 1293 00:54:48,456 --> 00:54:50,917 I don't need this working-class hero crap! 1294 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,335 SCHEIDER: We were very competitive. 1295 00:54:52,418 --> 00:54:55,421 And the desire for all three to excel 1296 00:54:56,297 --> 00:54:59,675 pushed most of the scenes right to their limits. 1297 00:55:00,218 --> 00:55:02,637 And I think it was a challenge every day out, 1298 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:06,015 to do as good or better as the other guy. 1299 00:55:06,098 --> 00:55:08,976 It also is exactly what's happening in the story. 1300 00:55:09,477 --> 00:55:11,395 And that, of course, helps the film. 1301 00:55:11,479 --> 00:55:12,772 What you got here? 1302 00:55:12,855 --> 00:55:14,982 A portable shower or a monkey cage? 1303 00:55:15,066 --> 00:55:16,442 Anti-shark cage. 1304 00:55:16,984 --> 00:55:20,613 Robert's off-screen skirmishes with Richard 1305 00:55:20,696 --> 00:55:22,907 helped the chemistry of the piece. 1306 00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:25,034 SHAW: We all have different methods. 1307 00:55:25,117 --> 00:55:27,745 I do tend to drink when totally bored, 1308 00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:31,207 and Roy does exercises and sunbathes, 1309 00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:33,376 Scheider does that, and Dreyfuss talks. 1310 00:55:33,459 --> 00:55:34,669 Dreyfuss just talks. 1311 00:55:35,211 --> 00:55:37,505 DREYFUSS: The character, as explained to me 1312 00:55:37,588 --> 00:55:39,632 before we began shooting, interested me. 1313 00:55:40,675 --> 00:55:43,094 INTERVIEWER: And after you had started shooting, what happened? 1314 00:55:45,555 --> 00:55:47,098 I had made a mistake. 1315 00:55:47,181 --> 00:55:49,559 SPIELBERG: There was a lot of Richard challenging Robert, 1316 00:55:49,642 --> 00:55:51,435 and Robert challenging Richard. 1317 00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,271 Stop playing with yourself, Hooper! 1318 00:55:53,354 --> 00:55:54,605 They were kind of sparring partners. 1319 00:55:54,689 --> 00:55:56,482 Hooper! Full throttle! 1320 00:55:56,566 --> 00:55:59,110 I don't have to take this abuse much longer. 1321 00:55:59,193 --> 00:56:01,487 But it really turned out, in hindsight, 1322 00:56:01,571 --> 00:56:03,447 to be a kind of playful banter 1323 00:56:03,948 --> 00:56:06,534 that was unique to their personal relationships. 1324 00:56:07,201 --> 00:56:10,746 DREYFUSS: Robert was one of the most powerful people I've ever met. 1325 00:56:10,830 --> 00:56:12,623 Incredibly intense. 1326 00:56:12,707 --> 00:56:15,543 I mean, there was something that radiated out of him. 1327 00:56:15,626 --> 00:56:18,588 He was a remarkably gifted actor and writer. 1328 00:56:18,671 --> 00:56:20,798 He was also, unfortunately, 1329 00:56:20,882 --> 00:56:23,718 the most extraordinarily competitive person. 1330 00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:26,137 Unnecessarily competitive. 1331 00:56:26,721 --> 00:56:28,222 LAN: There was a love-hate relationship 1332 00:56:28,306 --> 00:56:29,515 between the two of them. 1333 00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:33,978 Robert was very frustrated with Richard's attitude. 1334 00:56:34,061 --> 00:56:37,440 As an actor, it's been an exercise in futility. 1335 00:56:37,523 --> 00:56:40,151 And Robert gave him a really hard time, 1336 00:56:40,234 --> 00:56:41,569 at least publicly. 1337 00:56:42,153 --> 00:56:44,614 But also, Robert could see the talent that was there, 1338 00:56:44,697 --> 00:56:46,991 and wanted him to succeed. 1339 00:56:47,074 --> 00:56:48,993 You want a drink? Drink to your leg? 1340 00:56:49,076 --> 00:56:51,579 I'll drink to your leg. Okay, so we drink to our legs. 1341 00:56:51,662 --> 00:56:52,663 (LAUGHS) 1342 00:56:52,747 --> 00:56:54,624 SPIELBERG: The scene that I'm proudest of in Jaws 1343 00:56:54,707 --> 00:56:56,125 was everything that takes place 1344 00:56:56,208 --> 00:56:58,294 in that one night in that cabin. 1345 00:56:58,377 --> 00:57:01,130 From the scar comparing 1346 00:57:01,213 --> 00:57:03,174 right through the Indianapolis speech, 1347 00:57:03,257 --> 00:57:05,468 is something that I actually and objectively, 1348 00:57:05,551 --> 00:57:06,969 can watch over and over again. 1349 00:57:08,387 --> 00:57:09,931 (LAUGHS) 1350 00:57:10,723 --> 00:57:13,351 So, Hooper, that's the USS Indianapolis. 1351 00:57:14,852 --> 00:57:18,356 Not only is it the 50th anniversary of Jaws, 1352 00:57:18,439 --> 00:57:20,316 but it's also the 80th anniversary 1353 00:57:20,399 --> 00:57:22,526 of the sinking of the USS Indianapolis. 1354 00:57:22,610 --> 00:57:24,195 You were on the Indianapolis? 1355 00:57:24,278 --> 00:57:25,404 One of the greatest things 1356 00:57:25,488 --> 00:57:26,989 Howard Sackler left me with was, 1357 00:57:27,073 --> 00:57:30,242 he said, "I'd like to give Quint a motivation 1358 00:57:30,326 --> 00:57:32,036 for his hatred of sharks. 1359 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,998 "Have you ever heard of the USS Indianapolis?" 1360 00:57:36,082 --> 00:57:37,667 And I got to tell you, I hadn't. 1361 00:57:38,334 --> 00:57:40,544 He told me the story of the Indianapolis 1362 00:57:40,628 --> 00:57:43,047 and its duty in World War ll, 1363 00:57:43,130 --> 00:57:46,217 bringing bomb parts for the atomic bomb. 1364 00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:47,468 What happened? 1365 00:57:48,761 --> 00:57:51,430 Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes 1366 00:57:51,514 --> 00:57:53,099 into her side, Chief. 1367 00:57:53,975 --> 00:57:55,768 1,100 men went into the water. 1368 00:57:56,769 --> 00:57:58,688 Vessel went down in 12 minutes. 1369 00:57:59,605 --> 00:58:02,024 And all hands in the water, 1370 00:58:02,108 --> 00:58:04,235 ravaged by sharks. 1371 00:58:04,318 --> 00:58:06,862 Didn't see the first shark for about half an hour. 1372 00:58:07,488 --> 00:58:09,281 GOTTLIEB: Sackler knew about the Indianapolis. 1373 00:58:09,365 --> 00:58:10,658 Well, he was in the Navy. 1374 00:58:10,741 --> 00:58:14,120 And he brought that incident into the screenplay. 1375 00:58:14,203 --> 00:58:16,580 He said, "This is the motivation we need." 1376 00:58:16,664 --> 00:58:20,501 Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruising. 1377 00:58:21,252 --> 00:58:22,336 SPIELBERG: And down the road a bit, 1378 00:58:22,420 --> 00:58:23,754 I went to my friend, John Milius. 1379 00:58:23,838 --> 00:58:26,882 He wrote Apocalypse Now and was a wonderful director. 1380 00:58:26,966 --> 00:58:28,300 And I said, "John, read the script 1381 00:58:28,384 --> 00:58:29,844 "and focus on this speech." 1382 00:58:30,511 --> 00:58:31,971 So John went away and he came back 1383 00:58:32,054 --> 00:58:34,932 and he sent me a seven and a half, eight page monologue. 1384 00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:38,227 Shaw said, "This is gonna bore the audience. 1385 00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:40,855 "I can't sit there and talk for eight minutes. 1386 00:58:41,689 --> 00:58:43,733 "Will you let me tonight, go home 1387 00:58:43,816 --> 00:58:45,609 and do a little rewrite of the speech?" 1388 00:58:45,693 --> 00:58:47,653 I said, "Please, have at it." 1389 00:58:48,904 --> 00:58:50,781 And Robert Shaw was a wonderful writer. 1390 00:58:50,865 --> 00:58:52,908 He had written The Man in the Glass Booth, the play. 1391 00:58:54,201 --> 00:58:55,786 And that's what is in the movie. 1392 00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:58,247 The shark comes to the nearest man 1393 00:58:58,330 --> 00:59:01,083 and then he starts poundin', hollerin' and screamin'. 1394 00:59:01,167 --> 00:59:03,002 Sometimes the shark would go away... 1395 00:59:04,795 --> 00:59:06,422 sometimes he wouldn't go away. 1396 00:59:07,048 --> 00:59:09,925 It's a fascinating thing to watch Robert Shaw 1397 00:59:10,009 --> 00:59:14,305 make the choice to play it with a smile, with relish, 1398 00:59:14,889 --> 00:59:18,017 and for you to then understand his obsession. 1399 00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,227 Like, he's haunted by the screams of those men 1400 00:59:20,311 --> 00:59:22,521 who all died around him, and you feel it. 1401 00:59:22,605 --> 00:59:25,399 The whole scene pulses with trauma. 1402 00:59:25,483 --> 00:59:27,068 Ah, then you hear that terrible 1403 00:59:27,151 --> 00:59:28,819 high-pitch screamin'. 1404 00:59:29,361 --> 00:59:31,113 The ocean turns red. 1405 00:59:31,614 --> 00:59:34,200 In spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', 1406 00:59:34,283 --> 00:59:35,618 they all come in, they... 1407 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,038 rip you to pieces. 1408 00:59:39,121 --> 00:59:41,332 How do you psych yourself up for this kind of... 1409 00:59:41,415 --> 00:59:45,294 Well, scotch, vodka, gin, whatever. 1410 00:59:45,377 --> 00:59:46,670 With every week we were shooting, 1411 00:59:46,754 --> 00:59:47,963 he was becoming more and more like Quint. 1412 00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:50,966 He said to me, "I just want to have 1413 00:59:51,050 --> 00:59:52,176 a little buzz when I'm doing the speech, 1414 00:59:52,259 --> 00:59:55,638 "because I don't want to play drunk or act inebriated. 1415 00:59:55,721 --> 00:59:58,224 "Just one small drink, and that's all I'm gonna need." 1416 00:59:58,307 --> 01:00:00,434 INTERVIEWER: Have you pulled any benders, you, yourself, 1417 01:00:00,518 --> 01:00:01,685 while you're here? No. 1418 01:00:01,769 --> 01:00:04,605 The only time I'm ever drunk ever is on television. 1419 01:00:04,688 --> 01:00:07,566 I'm never drunk in private life or at work, or... 1420 01:00:07,650 --> 01:00:08,818 You all know that. 1421 01:00:08,901 --> 01:00:11,487 Stupidly, I said, "Sure! Go ahead." 1422 01:00:12,071 --> 01:00:13,322 I would never do that today. 1423 01:00:14,615 --> 01:00:16,367 The next day, two crew members 1424 01:00:16,450 --> 01:00:18,702 had to help Robert onto the Orca. 1425 01:00:20,287 --> 01:00:23,582 And he wasn't able to really get through the speech. 1426 01:00:24,834 --> 01:00:27,711 That night, I'm sleeping, sound asleep, my phone rings. 1427 01:00:27,795 --> 01:00:29,588 And it's Robert on the phone. 1428 01:00:30,214 --> 01:00:33,259 He says, "What happened? Did I embarrass you? 1429 01:00:33,342 --> 01:00:35,678 "I am so sorry if I did, I won't have a drink. 1430 01:00:35,761 --> 01:00:37,555 "Please give me a chance to do this tomorrow." 1431 01:00:37,638 --> 01:00:39,723 And he knocked it out of the ballpark the next day. 1432 01:00:39,807 --> 01:00:40,808 That was it. 1433 01:00:40,891 --> 01:00:41,892 Anyway... 1434 01:00:43,227 --> 01:00:44,562 we delivered the bomb. 1435 01:00:45,855 --> 01:00:47,940 Quint chose to be a shark hunter, 1436 01:00:48,023 --> 01:00:49,316 and he's put himself in direct line 1437 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,153 with the thing that's caused all this trauma from the past. 1438 01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:53,988 Part of him is thinking, 1439 01:00:54,071 --> 01:00:56,448 "If I can overcome this, I can let go of the past finally." 1440 01:00:56,949 --> 01:00:58,367 You see fear in his eyes, 1441 01:00:58,909 --> 01:01:01,162 and he thinks, "This is the shark that's come to get me." 1442 01:01:02,329 --> 01:01:04,915 There's something really powerful about that kind of 1443 01:01:04,999 --> 01:01:06,500 inevitable tragic end. 1444 01:01:07,835 --> 01:01:09,670 This was always this character's fate. 1445 01:01:13,382 --> 01:01:15,759 Great whites have one of the most impressive 1446 01:01:15,843 --> 01:01:17,261 hunting behaviors, called a breach. 1447 01:01:19,471 --> 01:01:21,182 Oh, my gosh! 1448 01:01:21,265 --> 01:01:23,267 And you see this in the movie Jaws 1449 01:01:23,350 --> 01:01:24,435 when it breaches on the Orca. 1450 01:01:26,854 --> 01:01:29,398 I've never seen a great white do this on a boat. 1451 01:01:30,357 --> 01:01:32,401 Most of the time, you see great whites breaching, 1452 01:01:32,484 --> 01:01:35,279 it is a sure-fire kill on a seal. 1453 01:01:35,362 --> 01:01:39,158 But the suspense, as a piece of cinema, it was great. 1454 01:01:39,241 --> 01:01:40,910 (PANTING) 1455 01:01:40,993 --> 01:01:44,205 Horror is about things that shouldn't be but are. 1456 01:01:44,830 --> 01:01:46,749 If the shark is on the boat, 1457 01:01:46,832 --> 01:01:49,960 the laws of physics and the universe are upside down. 1458 01:01:51,503 --> 01:01:54,006 My death, you know, going into the shark's jaws, 1459 01:01:54,089 --> 01:01:56,884 quite an unpleasant thing, it weighs about several tons. 1460 01:01:56,967 --> 01:01:59,136 And the jaws absolutely come down on me 1461 01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:00,679 with hydraulic pressure, you know. 1462 01:02:02,056 --> 01:02:03,432 (SCREAMING) 1463 01:02:03,515 --> 01:02:05,601 When you do it 14 or 15 times 1464 01:02:05,684 --> 01:02:07,811 in this kind of weather, in the cold, 1465 01:02:07,895 --> 01:02:09,521 slide right into it, 1466 01:02:10,105 --> 01:02:12,149 and then the teeth come and bite you. 1467 01:02:12,233 --> 01:02:13,567 Not very nice. 1468 01:02:13,651 --> 01:02:16,111 Now my character's left aboard the boat, 1469 01:02:16,195 --> 01:02:17,863 and he's trapped inside the cabin, 1470 01:02:17,947 --> 01:02:18,989 and the boat is sinking. 1471 01:02:19,073 --> 01:02:20,199 INTERVIEWER: ls this your big scene? 1472 01:02:20,866 --> 01:02:21,867 SCHEIDER: it's the big scene. 1473 01:02:21,951 --> 01:02:23,619 And I'm not gonna tell you anymore. 1474 01:02:23,702 --> 01:02:25,871 One of the things that, for me as a kid, 1475 01:02:25,955 --> 01:02:27,206 made me say, "it's real," 1476 01:02:27,289 --> 01:02:29,083 is the piece of meat. 1477 01:02:29,959 --> 01:02:33,712 When the shark is thrashing, and you see this piece of meat 1478 01:02:33,796 --> 01:02:36,340 stuck between the teeth, dangling. 1479 01:02:36,423 --> 01:02:37,841 That is the genius. 1480 01:02:37,925 --> 01:02:39,009 MAN: Okay, start it. 1481 01:02:39,593 --> 01:02:41,512 Okay, Roy, action. 1482 01:02:41,595 --> 01:02:43,180 SPIELBERG: Blowing up the shark was not my idea. 1483 01:02:43,806 --> 01:02:45,224 Some of my earliest collaborators, 1484 01:02:45,307 --> 01:02:47,268 Hal Barwood and Matthew Robbins, 1485 01:02:47,351 --> 01:02:49,103 they wrote Sugarland Express. 1486 01:02:49,603 --> 01:02:51,230 I gave him Jaws to read, 1487 01:02:51,313 --> 01:02:52,606 and they gave me a lot of notes. 1488 01:02:52,690 --> 01:02:54,024 And one of the notes was, 1489 01:02:54,108 --> 01:02:55,693 "The shark's got to blow up at the end." 1490 01:02:55,776 --> 01:02:56,860 "What do you mean, 'Blow up at the end"'? 1491 01:02:56,944 --> 01:02:58,070 "It's got to blow up in the end, 1492 01:02:58,153 --> 01:02:59,154 "and you know how you do it? 1493 01:03:00,155 --> 01:03:03,784 "You throw into his mouth, into his jaws, a scuba tank. 1494 01:03:04,493 --> 01:03:07,871 "And then he chomps down on the scuba tank, 1495 01:03:07,955 --> 01:03:10,541 "and the pressure from the bite force blows it up." 1496 01:03:12,376 --> 01:03:13,794 I said, "That's not credible. 1497 01:03:13,877 --> 01:03:16,046 "A shark cannot bite through a scuba tank." 1498 01:03:17,298 --> 01:03:18,632 And then either Hal or Matt said, 1499 01:03:18,716 --> 01:03:21,552 "Okay, well, how about one of the characters takes a rifle 1500 01:03:21,635 --> 01:03:25,389 "and he shoots a bullet into the tank 1501 01:03:25,472 --> 01:03:27,516 while the shark is approaching 1502 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:29,101 "and blows it up that way?" 1503 01:03:29,184 --> 01:03:31,395 BRODY: Show me the tank. Show me the tank. 1504 01:03:32,062 --> 01:03:33,105 Blow up! 1505 01:03:33,188 --> 01:03:35,649 CAMERON: I think it's been debunked that you can actually blow up 1506 01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:38,736 a charged scuba cylinder with a high-powered rifle. 1507 01:03:38,819 --> 01:03:40,904 But I was a diver and I understood 1508 01:03:40,988 --> 01:03:42,614 the power of compressed air, 1509 01:03:42,698 --> 01:03:43,699 so I bought it. 1510 01:03:43,782 --> 01:03:46,368 You screw around with these tanks and they're gonna blow up! 1511 01:03:46,452 --> 01:03:48,912 CAMERON: And it was just a perfect moment of character. 1512 01:03:48,996 --> 01:03:50,372 The fact that he hates water, 1513 01:03:50,456 --> 01:03:51,915 the boat's sinking out from underneath him, 1514 01:03:51,999 --> 01:03:53,542 the shark's coming back for him. 1515 01:03:53,625 --> 01:03:56,754 All the pieces fell into place instantly in the moment. 1516 01:03:58,339 --> 01:04:00,924 And you just wind the tension tighter and tighter and tighter, 1517 01:04:01,008 --> 01:04:02,634 and, man, I'll tell you, that is an art form. 1518 01:04:02,718 --> 01:04:03,969 BRODY: Blow up! 1519 01:04:04,762 --> 01:04:07,473 When you think about it, it is a bit like the Death Star moment. 1520 01:04:07,556 --> 01:04:09,058 Smile, you son of a... 1521 01:04:12,144 --> 01:04:14,438 SODERBERGH: There is an undeniable satisfaction 1522 01:04:14,521 --> 01:04:16,190 in finally destroying this thing 1523 01:04:16,273 --> 01:04:18,108 that you've seen cause such carnage. 1524 01:04:18,192 --> 01:04:20,694 (LAUGHING) 1525 01:04:22,821 --> 01:04:25,991 For a movie in which you've invested two hours, 1526 01:04:26,658 --> 01:04:29,453 you need that kind of release. 1527 01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:33,707 I think the reason it works is that they really... 1528 01:04:33,791 --> 01:04:34,833 They earn it. 1529 01:04:37,711 --> 01:04:39,880 When the film wrapped in Martha's Vineyard, 1530 01:04:39,963 --> 01:04:42,216 I had a full-blown 1531 01:04:42,883 --> 01:04:43,884 panic attack. 1532 01:04:45,761 --> 01:04:48,472 I was in it, shall I say, over my head 1533 01:04:48,555 --> 01:04:51,350 for about seven or eight months on Martha's Vineyard. 1534 01:04:51,433 --> 01:04:53,727 It was, logistically, the most difficult movie 1535 01:04:53,811 --> 01:04:55,312 I think I'll ever make. 1536 01:04:55,396 --> 01:04:58,440 I couldn't breathe, I thought I was having a heart attack. 1537 01:04:58,524 --> 01:05:00,317 I couldn't get a full breath of air. 1538 01:05:00,401 --> 01:05:01,485 I kept going to the bathroom 1539 01:05:01,568 --> 01:05:03,612 and splashing water on my face. 1540 01:05:03,695 --> 01:05:05,239 I was shaking. 1541 01:05:05,322 --> 01:05:07,574 And I was... I was out of it. 1542 01:05:07,658 --> 01:05:09,410 I was completely out of it. 1543 01:05:10,244 --> 01:05:11,578 And I think it was everything 1544 01:05:11,662 --> 01:05:13,247 that I had experienced on the island, 1545 01:05:13,330 --> 01:05:15,749 at least trying to not only hold myself together, 1546 01:05:15,833 --> 01:05:17,459 but hold the crew together. 1547 01:05:17,543 --> 01:05:19,711 And I had great people helping me hold the crew together. 1548 01:05:19,795 --> 01:05:24,133 I had Tom Joyner, the AD, I had Bill Butler, the DP, 1549 01:05:24,216 --> 01:05:26,301 Mike Chapman, the camera operator. 1550 01:05:27,177 --> 01:05:29,179 I had just a great crew, 1551 01:05:29,263 --> 01:05:31,640 and yet I felt responsible for everybody there, 1552 01:05:31,723 --> 01:05:33,183 and I felt really responsible for keeping them there 1553 01:05:33,267 --> 01:05:35,686 for as long as we had to stay. 1554 01:05:35,769 --> 01:05:37,396 And I think I just lost it. 1555 01:05:42,693 --> 01:05:44,069 WOMAN: Well, we're looking for a nice place 1556 01:05:44,153 --> 01:05:46,447 to show that Quint refuses to slow down the boat. 1557 01:05:53,412 --> 01:05:54,496 And we'll splice it. 1558 01:05:56,457 --> 01:06:00,502 Verna Fields, she was a force of stability for me. 1559 01:06:00,586 --> 01:06:02,796 Am in trouble with Jaws? (LAUGHS) 1560 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,173 In Jaws trouble? 1561 01:06:04,256 --> 01:06:06,592 Verna was working at Martha's Vineyard. 1562 01:06:07,342 --> 01:06:09,344 I mean, I'm looking for our mark, our good place. 1563 01:06:10,095 --> 01:06:11,388 That's the spot, Steve. 1564 01:06:11,472 --> 01:06:14,057 But once they wrapped in Martha's Vineyard, 1565 01:06:14,141 --> 01:06:18,020 they came back to LA and they shot in the MGM tank. 1566 01:06:19,813 --> 01:06:21,398 MAN 1: You want to walk the plank here, Steven? 1567 01:06:21,482 --> 01:06:22,608 This is it. 1568 01:06:25,819 --> 01:06:27,112 We are ready. 1569 01:06:27,196 --> 01:06:28,363 MAN 2: Roll B camera, please. 1570 01:06:30,449 --> 01:06:32,910 The whole attack in the cage of the mechanical shark 1571 01:06:32,993 --> 01:06:36,246 attacking Richard Dreyfuss, was done in the tank at MGM. 1572 01:06:36,830 --> 01:06:37,915 MAN 2: Okay, attack! 1573 01:06:43,795 --> 01:06:47,049 And also the close-ups of the shark on the surface, 1574 01:06:47,132 --> 01:06:48,550 with the tank in its mouth. 1575 01:06:49,384 --> 01:06:50,385 And even the shots of, like, 1576 01:06:50,469 --> 01:06:51,929 the marbles that they were slingshotting 1577 01:06:52,012 --> 01:06:54,932 through the water to resemble the bullets. 1578 01:06:55,015 --> 01:06:56,558 Even though we wrapped in Martha's Vineyard, 1579 01:06:56,642 --> 01:06:58,977 the film kept shooting for another two months. 1580 01:06:59,978 --> 01:07:02,564 Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. 1581 01:07:02,648 --> 01:07:03,815 Once again, right away. 1582 01:07:03,899 --> 01:07:07,528 In a couple of cases, he had to go rogue 1583 01:07:07,611 --> 01:07:11,156 and pick up some of these inserts on his own 1584 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,492 without really letting anybody know. 1585 01:07:13,575 --> 01:07:17,371 Because they told him, like, "The spigot is off." 1586 01:07:18,455 --> 01:07:22,292 I actually went into my editor Verna Field's swimming pool in the Valley. 1587 01:07:22,376 --> 01:07:23,585 I think Sherman Oaks. 1588 01:07:24,044 --> 01:07:27,589 When Hooper goes underwater and finds Ben Gardner's head. 1589 01:07:27,673 --> 01:07:29,174 We went into the pool, we shot it. 1590 01:07:29,883 --> 01:07:32,344 Keeps going back and making changes 1591 01:07:32,427 --> 01:07:35,430 and redoing things and making them better. 1592 01:07:36,014 --> 01:07:37,599 Hey! I got it! 1593 01:07:37,683 --> 01:07:39,142 (LINE ZIPPING) 1594 01:07:40,269 --> 01:07:41,770 What? Get behind me. 1595 01:07:41,853 --> 01:07:43,647 Watching Jaws for the first time 1596 01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:45,107 was a wonderful experience, 1597 01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:47,859 I would say, also very typical of Steven Spielberg 1598 01:07:47,943 --> 01:07:49,444 and his filmmaking technique 1599 01:07:49,528 --> 01:07:51,989 and the fun that he has making films. 1600 01:07:52,072 --> 01:07:54,199 And I remember thinking and telling him that 1601 01:07:54,283 --> 01:07:57,202 it was a great opportunity for me to create music 1602 01:07:57,286 --> 01:07:59,580 with a very young man that I worked with once, 1603 01:07:59,663 --> 01:08:01,999 Sugarland Express, who I liked enormously. 1604 01:08:02,082 --> 01:08:03,041 Show me the bass. 1605 01:08:03,166 --> 01:08:05,043 It should be big on the A, D. MAN: Yeah. 1606 01:08:05,127 --> 01:08:07,296 You have two notes there. (NOTES PLAYING ON INSTRUMENT) 1607 01:08:07,379 --> 01:08:10,716 I don't know that you can talk about Jaws 1608 01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:14,344 without talking about those two iconic notes 1609 01:08:14,428 --> 01:08:16,263 that John Williams created. 1610 01:08:17,389 --> 01:08:19,349 SPIELBERG: All human beings come equipped... 1611 01:08:19,433 --> 01:08:20,642 Hey, take, please. 1612 01:08:20,726 --> 01:08:23,854 ...to be able to suspend our disbelief, 1613 01:08:23,937 --> 01:08:26,982 to be transported more by music 1614 01:08:27,065 --> 01:08:30,652 than any other single art stimulus. 1615 01:08:31,612 --> 01:08:35,574 Music, with our eyes closed, will take us places 1616 01:08:35,657 --> 01:08:38,452 that no other medium or art form can take us. 1617 01:08:39,077 --> 01:08:41,913 John Williams told us when to react 1618 01:08:41,997 --> 01:08:45,042 and when to start getting ready for an attack. 1619 01:08:45,125 --> 01:08:47,753 One, two, three, one. 1620 01:08:47,836 --> 01:08:50,839 John Williams showed you the power of just music and image, 1621 01:08:50,922 --> 01:08:54,217 and you see the victim from the predator's point of view. 1622 01:08:54,885 --> 01:08:57,679 That relentless score with those low cellos, 1623 01:08:57,763 --> 01:08:59,139 you become that shark. 1624 01:09:00,515 --> 01:09:03,185 This idea of characterizing the shark musically... 1625 01:09:03,268 --> 01:09:04,895 He's taking it. He's taking it. Hey! 1626 01:09:04,978 --> 01:09:07,397 WILLIAMS: ...was the result of a very simple idea that I had. 1627 01:09:07,481 --> 01:09:09,691 I thought maybe some kind of bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, 1628 01:09:09,775 --> 01:09:13,362 might indicate this mindless attack of the shark, 1629 01:09:14,029 --> 01:09:15,906 this relentless drive that it has. 1630 01:09:16,823 --> 01:09:18,659 And you don't know if it will work on an audience 1631 01:09:18,742 --> 01:09:19,826 until you try it. 1632 01:09:27,584 --> 01:09:29,378 REBELLO: Next door is The Island Theater. 1633 01:09:29,461 --> 01:09:31,129 It's closed down at the moment. 1634 01:09:31,213 --> 01:09:34,758 But back in 1975, when the movie came out, 1635 01:09:34,841 --> 01:09:35,884 it had the premiere there. 1636 01:09:36,885 --> 01:09:39,471 It was the biggest thing to really hit the island 1637 01:09:39,554 --> 01:09:40,722 in my lifetime, at that point. 1638 01:09:44,518 --> 01:09:47,354 When they had the debut in June, 1639 01:09:47,437 --> 01:09:49,231 it was very crowded, very hot. 1640 01:09:50,315 --> 01:09:53,485 And a bunch of us got to go in and sit upstairs, 1641 01:09:53,568 --> 01:09:55,445 which is like the VIP area. 1642 01:09:56,655 --> 01:09:58,115 We didn't know what to expect. 1643 01:09:58,740 --> 01:10:00,742 Within ten minutes, I'm jumping out of my seat and I'm saying, 1644 01:10:00,826 --> 01:10:02,703 "I never saw that when I was on the beach all summer." 1645 01:10:03,370 --> 01:10:05,414 We started to realize that, while we experienced 1646 01:10:05,497 --> 01:10:07,457 this whole summer on the beach, 1647 01:10:08,041 --> 01:10:10,669 we never really knew how a movie's made. 1648 01:10:10,752 --> 01:10:13,046 My whole first time I saw it, 1649 01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:15,841 was just seeing who was in it that I didn't know. 1650 01:10:16,675 --> 01:10:18,927 MAN 1: You know, it was almost embarrassing. 1651 01:10:19,678 --> 01:10:22,556 It was the first time I'd seen myself on the screen, 1652 01:10:22,639 --> 01:10:24,015 but to see the finished product 1653 01:10:24,099 --> 01:10:26,351 be as spectacular as it was, 1654 01:10:26,435 --> 01:10:27,853 was very rewarding. 1655 01:10:28,603 --> 01:10:31,189 WENDY: David Brown and Richard Zanuck asked Peter and I 1656 01:10:31,273 --> 01:10:34,359 to go to a private screening of Jaws 1657 01:10:34,443 --> 01:10:37,154 along with many of our dive friends, 1658 01:10:37,237 --> 01:10:40,615 Ron and Valerie Taylor, Stan Waterman. 1659 01:10:40,699 --> 01:10:43,243 And we had no idea whether this movie 1660 01:10:43,326 --> 01:10:45,662 was going to really work with people 1661 01:10:45,746 --> 01:10:48,123 who knew the ocean and knew sharks. 1662 01:10:48,206 --> 01:10:51,501 And at the end, they all got up and applauded 1663 01:10:51,585 --> 01:10:54,045 and thought it was absolutely fabulous. 1664 01:10:55,046 --> 01:10:57,716 MAN 2: it was the first movie to break $100 million. 1665 01:10:57,799 --> 01:11:00,051 It annihilated the competition that had come before it. 1666 01:11:00,135 --> 01:11:02,763 The Exorcist, The Godfather, those big massive hits. 1667 01:11:02,846 --> 01:11:04,639 Jaws eclipsed them by a long, long way. 1668 01:11:04,723 --> 01:11:07,392 And by the end of it, it actually finished its domestic run, 1669 01:11:07,476 --> 01:11:09,352 it had made a quarter of a billion dollars, 1670 01:11:09,436 --> 01:11:11,980 which is over a billion dollars today. 1671 01:11:12,063 --> 01:11:13,106 GOTTLIEB: There were mixed reviews. 1672 01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:15,817 The reviews at first were what we were expecting, 1673 01:11:15,901 --> 01:11:18,653 which was, "Okay, here's the popcorn summer picture." 1674 01:11:18,737 --> 01:11:20,238 And it wasn't until, like, 1675 01:11:20,322 --> 01:11:23,450 the third month of release when it kept grossing. 1676 01:11:23,533 --> 01:11:24,993 A lot of the reviewers said, 1677 01:11:25,076 --> 01:11:26,745 "You know, there's something here we missed," 1678 01:11:26,828 --> 01:11:28,663 and that turned out to be true. 1679 01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:32,292 The summer and fall of '75 1680 01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:35,837 had two major events in terms of our culture. 1681 01:11:35,921 --> 01:11:37,881 Jaws became a part of the culture. 1682 01:11:37,964 --> 01:11:41,092 And they had the first live telecast 1683 01:11:41,176 --> 01:11:42,219 of Saturday Night Live. 1684 01:11:42,302 --> 01:11:45,013 Live from New York, it's Saturday night! 1685 01:11:45,096 --> 01:11:48,517 I was in the audience when the land shark showed up. 1686 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:49,601 What is it? 1687 01:11:50,227 --> 01:11:51,228 Land shark. 1688 01:11:51,311 --> 01:11:53,271 Remember Candygram? MAN 1: Candygram. 1689 01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:55,023 That was hysterical! 1690 01:11:55,106 --> 01:11:56,274 (SCREAMS) 1691 01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:58,735 Not only was it summer, 1692 01:11:58,819 --> 01:12:01,196 and suddenly you were afraid of going to the beach, 1693 01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:02,405 but it was also just something that 1694 01:12:02,489 --> 01:12:03,657 was on everyone's lips. 1695 01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:05,283 Jaws! (LAUGHS) 1696 01:12:05,367 --> 01:12:08,745 Jaws wasn't just a movie, it was a pop culture phenomenon. 1697 01:12:09,371 --> 01:12:11,706 People wanted to put things on that were about Jaws. 1698 01:12:12,541 --> 01:12:14,584 And I desperately wanted a T-shirt. 1699 01:12:16,711 --> 01:12:20,257 The first two records I bought as a kid with my own money 1700 01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:21,716 were The Godfather and Jaws. 1701 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,927 MAN 2: Shark business has been terrific. 1702 01:12:24,469 --> 01:12:26,847 Everything's gone that even looks like a shark. 1703 01:12:26,930 --> 01:12:29,808 And I just wanted to get every little thing I could find, 1704 01:12:29,891 --> 01:12:31,685 toys, magazines, books. 1705 01:12:32,269 --> 01:12:34,104 SPIELBERG: Jaws made the cover of Time, 1706 01:12:34,187 --> 01:12:36,106 and we also made the cover of Mad Magazine. 1707 01:12:36,731 --> 01:12:38,608 I got to tell you, I was prouder 1708 01:12:38,692 --> 01:12:40,402 of being on the cover of Mad Magazine. 1709 01:12:40,485 --> 01:12:41,945 (LAUGHS) 1710 01:12:42,028 --> 01:12:43,864 They had towels and T-shirts. 1711 01:12:44,364 --> 01:12:47,117 There's that great picture of Dick Zanuck sitting there 1712 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:48,827 with all the merch around him. 1713 01:12:49,870 --> 01:12:52,914 So it became this monster in its own right. 1714 01:12:58,795 --> 01:13:00,255 When a film is on the cusp 1715 01:13:00,338 --> 01:13:02,799 of being considered for awards, 1716 01:13:02,883 --> 01:13:05,594 it's not so much what you want for yourself, 1717 01:13:05,677 --> 01:13:08,680 it's what everybody else says is going to happen for you. 1718 01:13:08,763 --> 01:13:10,181 Steve, if you're not number one, 1719 01:13:10,265 --> 01:13:11,558 then I know there's a fix in. 1720 01:13:12,309 --> 01:13:13,810 SPIELBERG: So I just understood 1721 01:13:13,894 --> 01:13:15,061 that I guess I'm getting nominated. 1722 01:13:16,104 --> 01:13:18,315 So when I wasn't, I was surprised, 1723 01:13:18,398 --> 01:13:19,649 and I was disappointed. 1724 01:13:19,733 --> 01:13:21,860 I wasn't nominated for best director for Jaws. 1725 01:13:21,943 --> 01:13:24,613 Because I was believing the noise, 1726 01:13:24,696 --> 01:13:26,656 and you have to not believe that stuff. 1727 01:13:28,074 --> 01:13:29,868 But the film won for music. 1728 01:13:29,951 --> 01:13:31,202 John Williams for Jaws. 1729 01:13:31,286 --> 01:13:32,287 SPIELBERG: And sound. 1730 01:13:32,370 --> 01:13:35,206 Robert L. Hoyt, Roger Heman, Earl Madery 1731 01:13:35,290 --> 01:13:36,708 and John Carter for Jaws! 1732 01:13:36,791 --> 01:13:38,001 SPIELBERG: And editing. 1733 01:13:38,543 --> 01:13:40,337 Verna Fields for Jaws. 1734 01:13:41,671 --> 01:13:44,883 SPIELBERG: And Jaws was up for best picture against 1735 01:13:44,966 --> 01:13:46,801 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, 1736 01:13:46,885 --> 01:13:48,637 which, of course, won the Oscar. 1737 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:49,930 Oh, yeah, I would have voted for 1738 01:13:50,013 --> 01:13:51,222 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 1739 01:13:51,306 --> 01:13:52,557 over Jaws for best picture. 1740 01:13:52,641 --> 01:13:53,683 I would have done that. 1741 01:13:54,267 --> 01:13:55,644 REPORTER: You have to ask the question, 1742 01:13:55,727 --> 01:13:58,229 would people have gotten this excited over a shark 1743 01:13:58,313 --> 01:13:59,314 two or three years ago, 1744 01:13:59,397 --> 01:14:01,900 before the book and the movie of Jaws? 1745 01:14:01,983 --> 01:14:03,818 Well, one of the crewmen on the boat that caught it 1746 01:14:03,902 --> 01:14:05,528 said, "Two or three years ago, 1747 01:14:05,612 --> 01:14:08,156 "we wouldn't have even taken the time to catch it." 1748 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,660 When Jaws came out, we were truly horrified 1749 01:14:11,743 --> 01:14:15,413 to see that some people took it as a license 1750 01:14:15,497 --> 01:14:16,831 to go kill sharks. 1751 01:14:19,125 --> 01:14:21,002 One of the bad things that came out of the film 1752 01:14:21,086 --> 01:14:22,837 was shark hunting spiked. 1753 01:14:22,921 --> 01:14:25,090 MAN 3: Teeth fall out and you put them on a gold chain 1754 01:14:25,173 --> 01:14:26,549 and you go to the movie and see Jaws, 1755 01:14:26,633 --> 01:14:27,884 and you have it made. 1756 01:14:27,968 --> 01:14:28,969 Everybody thinks you're the best. 1757 01:14:29,052 --> 01:14:31,012 Trophy hunting was very popular, 1758 01:14:31,096 --> 01:14:33,264 and the numbers of white sharks 1759 01:14:33,348 --> 01:14:36,101 had gone down as much as 80%. 1760 01:14:36,977 --> 01:14:38,687 People wanted to be like Quint, 1761 01:14:39,312 --> 01:14:41,564 people wanted to have that trophy 1762 01:14:41,648 --> 01:14:42,691 that they could show off. 1763 01:14:42,774 --> 01:14:45,110 $10,000 for me, by myself. 1764 01:14:45,193 --> 01:14:47,612 For that, you get the head, the tail, 1765 01:14:47,696 --> 01:14:49,447 the whole damn thing. 1766 01:14:49,531 --> 01:14:52,450 There's definitely that kind of negative connotation 1767 01:14:52,534 --> 01:14:54,911 that came from Jaws about sharks, 1768 01:14:54,995 --> 01:14:56,621 which is very unfortunate because I think 1769 01:14:56,705 --> 01:14:58,289 there's other takeaways as well. 1770 01:14:58,999 --> 01:15:00,583 The impact of the movie, you know, 1771 01:15:00,667 --> 01:15:02,669 was horrendous at first, 1772 01:15:02,752 --> 01:15:04,170 but now people are really interested 1773 01:15:04,254 --> 01:15:05,255 in the shark itself, 1774 01:15:05,338 --> 01:15:07,048 you know, not just something scary. 1775 01:15:08,425 --> 01:15:09,551 Because of this film, 1776 01:15:09,634 --> 01:15:13,263 we've had so much energy that has come into the field 1777 01:15:13,346 --> 01:15:14,889 of learning and understanding sharks 1778 01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:16,349 and also safeguarding them. 1779 01:15:18,351 --> 01:15:20,854 SKERRY: There's hundreds of species of sharks. 1780 01:15:20,937 --> 01:15:24,899 They all do vital things, keeping the ocean healthy, 1781 01:15:25,859 --> 01:15:28,695 and therefore, the scariest thing 1782 01:15:28,778 --> 01:15:30,280 would be an ocean without sharks. 1783 01:15:31,489 --> 01:15:33,408 Now we're much more enlightened, 1784 01:15:33,491 --> 01:15:35,410 but there's still horrific 1785 01:15:35,493 --> 01:15:37,829 slaughter of sharks going on out there. 1786 01:15:37,912 --> 01:15:40,123 There's a lot of the fishing industry where they fin them 1787 01:15:40,206 --> 01:15:41,916 and they put them back in the water still alive, 1788 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,127 so they just sink to the bottom and die. 1789 01:15:44,210 --> 01:15:47,005 And those of us that are in ocean conservation 1790 01:15:47,088 --> 01:15:48,506 are trying to prevent that. 1791 01:15:49,090 --> 01:15:52,844 That is the really big issue in the oceans 1792 01:15:52,927 --> 01:15:55,680 for the devastation of the shark population. 1793 01:15:57,307 --> 01:16:00,852 With conservation efforts and protection of the species, 1794 01:16:00,935 --> 01:16:03,980 we're seeing the population start to rebound. 1795 01:16:04,064 --> 01:16:06,191 Today, if a shark washes up on a beach, 1796 01:16:06,274 --> 01:16:07,275 which has actually happened, 1797 01:16:07,358 --> 01:16:09,527 now we see people trying to get this animal 1798 01:16:09,611 --> 01:16:11,529 back into the water and resuscitate it. 1799 01:16:12,113 --> 01:16:14,240 That would have never happened 50 years ago. 1800 01:16:15,366 --> 01:16:18,828 The negative reaction hurt us and horrified us, 1801 01:16:18,912 --> 01:16:22,874 and we became passionate defenders of sharks. 1802 01:16:22,957 --> 01:16:26,461 We went with the National Geographic on expeditions, 1803 01:16:26,544 --> 01:16:28,463 and we were so fortunate 1804 01:16:28,546 --> 01:16:31,466 to learn with these scientists and other experts. 1805 01:16:31,549 --> 01:16:35,470 After all of this time of being aware of and fishing for 1806 01:16:35,553 --> 01:16:37,889 and somehow encouraging the animal, 1807 01:16:37,972 --> 01:16:39,307 now the time has come to protect it. 1808 01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:42,185 Peter died in '06, 1809 01:16:42,268 --> 01:16:44,145 and I wish he were here now 1810 01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:46,815 to be able to see all of these changes, 1811 01:16:46,898 --> 01:16:49,984 and to see that Jaws is still relevant 1812 01:16:50,068 --> 01:16:51,277 after 50 years. 1813 01:16:51,361 --> 01:16:53,446 I think he'd be very, very pleased. 1814 01:16:55,782 --> 01:16:58,993 We've also got people outside of the immediate Jaws family 1815 01:16:59,077 --> 01:17:01,830 picking up the gauntlet and driving the legacy forward. 1816 01:17:02,455 --> 01:17:03,748 Like Robert Shaw's son, 1817 01:17:03,832 --> 01:17:06,501 who has co-written a play called The Shark ls Broken, 1818 01:17:06,584 --> 01:17:08,545 about the making of Jaws, which is set on the Orca, 1819 01:17:08,628 --> 01:17:09,629 in which he plays his dad. 1820 01:17:09,712 --> 01:17:10,713 (LAUGHING) 1821 01:17:10,797 --> 01:17:12,340 Who gets top billing? 1822 01:17:12,423 --> 01:17:15,885 There's such a generosity of feeling towards Jaws, 1823 01:17:15,969 --> 01:17:19,556 and there's such a desire to revisit and go back. 1824 01:17:20,140 --> 01:17:21,808 My father would have been shocked. 1825 01:17:22,350 --> 01:17:25,019 The idea that 50 years later, 1826 01:17:25,103 --> 01:17:27,939 people would still be quite so interested. 1827 01:17:28,773 --> 01:17:29,858 He would think it would be like 1828 01:17:29,941 --> 01:17:31,359 some sort of weird religious cult. 1829 01:17:32,026 --> 01:17:33,361 I honest to God thought 1830 01:17:33,444 --> 01:17:35,655 I was really the only Jaws fan out there. 1831 01:17:35,738 --> 01:17:37,323 And then came the Internet. 1832 01:17:38,116 --> 01:17:39,951 Now, on Facebook, there's Jaws groups. 1833 01:17:40,451 --> 01:17:42,120 Instagram, there's Jaws groups. 1834 01:17:42,704 --> 01:17:44,247 The Daily Jaws is out there. 1835 01:17:44,789 --> 01:17:47,876 The goal was to post something about Jaws on social media 1836 01:17:47,959 --> 01:17:50,170 every day to celebrate the 40th anniversary. 1837 01:17:51,171 --> 01:17:53,798 People were really resonating with what we were posting, 1838 01:17:53,882 --> 01:17:55,884 and people said, "You got to keep going." 1839 01:17:55,967 --> 01:17:57,468 So 10 years later, here we are. 1840 01:17:57,969 --> 01:17:59,721 Just last week, I was at the grocery store, 1841 01:17:59,804 --> 01:18:03,224 and on the inside of the grocery cart, 1842 01:18:03,308 --> 01:18:05,810 it said, "You're gonna need a bigger cart." 1843 01:18:07,103 --> 01:18:08,897 MAN: Jaws has become one of these movies 1844 01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:10,899 that's kind of taken on a life of its own. 1845 01:18:10,982 --> 01:18:13,818 In terms of the main community, there's quite a few. 1846 01:18:14,652 --> 01:18:16,946 When you look on your phone and you're looking at the map, 1847 01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:21,534 you see Jaws Bridge as one of the locations on Google Maps. 1848 01:18:22,035 --> 01:18:25,747 They have names of drinks at bars named after Jaws. 1849 01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:27,582 For the beach scene in Us, 1850 01:18:27,665 --> 01:18:31,252 I remember begging Steven to allow me to use 1851 01:18:31,336 --> 01:18:33,338 the Jaws shirt in my scene 1852 01:18:33,421 --> 01:18:35,715 because what he was doing with Hitchcock, 1853 01:18:35,798 --> 01:18:38,509 I was piggybacking and sort of doing with him. 1854 01:18:38,593 --> 01:18:42,347 There's still Jaws merchandise being created. 1855 01:18:45,892 --> 01:18:47,518 There's a LEGO coming out. 1856 01:18:47,602 --> 01:18:49,812 There's people doing T-shirts, posters. 1857 01:18:49,896 --> 01:18:52,190 And people are still buying it because they're still drawn 1858 01:18:52,273 --> 01:18:54,651 to everything associated with Jaws. 1859 01:18:54,734 --> 01:18:56,236 My theme of my birthday party 1860 01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:58,029 when I was, like, two years old was Jaws.. 1861 01:18:58,446 --> 01:18:59,447 What? Mmm-hmm. 1862 01:19:01,032 --> 01:19:03,743 You know what's very interesting about this, Laurent. 1863 01:19:03,868 --> 01:19:06,246 You know that shower scene in... INTERVIEWER: Psycho. 1864 01:19:06,329 --> 01:19:08,206 (PLAYS PSYCHO STING) 1865 01:19:08,289 --> 01:19:10,792 Which has terrified us when we saw the movie, 1866 01:19:10,875 --> 01:19:13,002 and now if I say it to an audience 1867 01:19:13,086 --> 01:19:14,754 and demonstrate something, they all laugh. 1868 01:19:14,837 --> 01:19:15,838 It becomes funny. 1869 01:19:15,922 --> 01:19:17,173 What also is funny... 1870 01:19:17,257 --> 01:19:18,549 (PLAYS JAWS THEME) 1871 01:19:18,633 --> 01:19:19,634 They will laugh. 1872 01:19:20,301 --> 01:19:24,055 So there's been a change of response over the years 1873 01:19:24,138 --> 01:19:26,057 to something that actually, when we first... 1874 01:19:26,140 --> 01:19:28,184 in the context for which it was written, 1875 01:19:28,268 --> 01:19:31,145 has become now a cultural thing. 1876 01:19:31,229 --> 01:19:34,023 Where it's going to be 50 years from now, I don't know. 1877 01:19:34,941 --> 01:19:36,609 MAN: All right, it's January 12. 1878 01:19:36,693 --> 01:19:39,821 So we have successfully stripped 1879 01:19:39,904 --> 01:19:43,491 all of the textured paint off. 1880 01:19:44,284 --> 01:19:47,620 NICOTERO: In 1991, the shark ended up in a junkyard. 1881 01:19:47,704 --> 01:19:49,080 The junkyard was closing. 1882 01:19:49,163 --> 01:19:52,667 It got donated to the Motion Picture Academy Museum, 1883 01:19:52,750 --> 01:19:54,252 and I reached out to them and I said, 1884 01:19:54,335 --> 01:19:57,171 "I would love to do the restoration." 1885 01:19:57,255 --> 01:19:59,966 I'm friends with Joe Alves. We can consult. 1886 01:20:00,591 --> 01:20:02,802 I have access to all the original teeth, 1887 01:20:02,885 --> 01:20:05,555 because the inside of the mouth needed to be sculpted, 1888 01:20:05,638 --> 01:20:07,473 the gills needed to be sculpted, 1889 01:20:07,557 --> 01:20:08,766 some of the fins were gone. 1890 01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:10,351 As you can see, 1891 01:20:10,435 --> 01:20:14,147 it's really in fantastic condition underneath. 1892 01:20:14,856 --> 01:20:17,275 And we had a crew of about nine people, 1893 01:20:17,358 --> 01:20:19,861 and it took us about six months. 1894 01:20:20,862 --> 01:20:22,238 So I donated a lot of the labor 1895 01:20:22,322 --> 01:20:23,948 because I really wanted to do it. 1896 01:20:24,449 --> 01:20:27,201 And lo and behold, now it exists again. 1897 01:20:32,665 --> 01:20:34,375 YOUNG SPIELBERG: When you make a film, at least when I make a film, 1898 01:20:34,459 --> 01:20:36,044 I have to be passionate about the subject matter. 1899 01:20:36,127 --> 01:20:37,462 I have to know that that's all I want to do 1900 01:20:37,545 --> 01:20:38,880 for the next couple of years. 1901 01:20:38,963 --> 01:20:40,423 And I have to know that's where my lifestyle 1902 01:20:40,506 --> 01:20:41,966 will be two years from now. 1903 01:20:42,050 --> 01:20:43,551 I just think it's very important to... 1904 01:20:43,634 --> 01:20:46,346 You know, to spend the time and, you know, 1905 01:20:46,429 --> 01:20:49,265 consider each film kind of 1906 01:20:49,349 --> 01:20:50,892 the beginning, middle and end of your life. 1907 01:20:51,642 --> 01:20:54,145 SPIELBERG: I had a real tough time when I finished the movie, 1908 01:20:54,228 --> 01:20:56,439 and the success was fantastic, 1909 01:20:56,522 --> 01:20:58,524 but it didn't stop the nightmares. 1910 01:20:58,608 --> 01:21:01,611 It didn't stop me waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, 1911 01:21:01,694 --> 01:21:03,988 where the sheets would be soaking wet. 1912 01:21:04,072 --> 01:21:07,241 We didn't have the words "PTSD" in those days, 1913 01:21:07,325 --> 01:21:08,826 and I had consistent nightmares 1914 01:21:08,910 --> 01:21:11,454 about directing Jaws for years afterwards. 1915 01:21:11,537 --> 01:21:14,582 I was still on the movie, and the film was never ending. 1916 01:21:15,208 --> 01:21:16,501 When they brought one of the boats 1917 01:21:16,584 --> 01:21:18,211 all the way back from Martha's Vineyard 1918 01:21:18,294 --> 01:21:19,921 and shipped the boat, the Orca, 1919 01:21:20,004 --> 01:21:21,255 to the Universal back lot 1920 01:21:21,339 --> 01:21:23,633 and put it in the water right next to the Jaws ride. 1921 01:21:23,716 --> 01:21:24,967 (PEOPLE SCREAMING) 1922 01:21:26,344 --> 01:21:28,221 I used to get on my electric cart 1923 01:21:28,304 --> 01:21:29,764 without telling anybody, 1924 01:21:30,348 --> 01:21:31,808 and I would sneak behind the trams, 1925 01:21:31,891 --> 01:21:33,142 nobody could see me. 1926 01:21:33,226 --> 01:21:35,395 And I'd just sneak onboard the boat, 1927 01:21:35,478 --> 01:21:37,730 and I would sit in the cabin 1928 01:21:37,814 --> 01:21:40,316 in that little leather red booth, 1929 01:21:41,234 --> 01:21:44,487 and I would just sit there and sometimes cry. 1930 01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:47,407 I had nothing to cry about. The film was this phenomenon. 1931 01:21:47,490 --> 01:21:50,201 And I'm sitting here shedding tears 1932 01:21:50,284 --> 01:21:54,122 because I am not able to divest myself 1933 01:21:54,205 --> 01:21:55,456 of the experience. 1934 01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:58,626 The boat helped me to begin to forget. 1935 01:21:58,709 --> 01:22:02,505 That Orca was my therapeutic companion 1936 01:22:02,588 --> 01:22:05,800 for several years after Jaws came out. 1937 01:22:08,511 --> 01:22:10,596 NICOTERO: Jaws has transcended time 1938 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,975 because it's built this mythology. 1939 01:22:14,058 --> 01:22:16,686 And aside from the fact that it's a great movie, 1940 01:22:16,769 --> 01:22:20,398 it's also a unique cautionary tale about filmmaking. 1941 01:22:21,858 --> 01:22:27,155 People are still enthralled with how man slayed the beast. 1942 01:22:27,238 --> 01:22:28,865 MAN: Break it up, will ya, Chief? 1943 01:22:29,574 --> 01:22:31,242 Daylight's wastin'! 1944 01:22:31,993 --> 01:22:36,998 This was a movie that taught me that horror 1945 01:22:37,081 --> 01:22:41,794 didn't have to be something that left me feeling icky. 1946 01:22:43,629 --> 01:22:44,922 You okay? 1947 01:22:45,006 --> 01:22:48,259 MASLIN: it hasn't lost a minute in terms of timeliness. 1948 01:22:48,926 --> 01:22:51,679 If anything, it seems fresher to me now than it did then. 1949 01:22:51,762 --> 01:22:54,807 We're more afraid of the natural world than we were. 1950 01:22:55,349 --> 01:22:59,103 And we're more acclimated to the same kind of corruption 1951 01:22:59,187 --> 01:23:01,147 where politicians will do anything 1952 01:23:01,230 --> 01:23:03,191 to hide what they don't want you to know. 1953 01:23:04,817 --> 01:23:05,943 ZEMECKIS: I think it's fair to say that 1954 01:23:06,027 --> 01:23:07,612 cinema wouldn't be where it is without Jaws. 1955 01:23:08,696 --> 01:23:12,533 It just supercharged the language of cinema. 1956 01:23:12,617 --> 01:23:14,076 Hurry it up. He's coming straight for us. 1957 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:15,870 Don't screw it up now. Don't wait for me. 1958 01:23:17,163 --> 01:23:19,040 Jaws moved the bar in terms of 1959 01:23:19,123 --> 01:23:22,376 audiences and what kind of thrill they might get. 1960 01:23:25,796 --> 01:23:27,590 GOTTLIEB: it's only the audience that makes a hit. 1961 01:23:28,549 --> 01:23:31,052 And after 50 years, they've been telling us, "Okay, Jaws is a hit." 1962 01:23:31,135 --> 01:23:32,136 We like this movie. 1963 01:23:33,179 --> 01:23:35,723 It's an endless conversation you can have about Jaws, 1964 01:23:35,806 --> 01:23:37,892 and all the details forever seem 1965 01:23:37,975 --> 01:23:39,060 to reveal themselves to me. 1966 01:23:39,143 --> 01:23:41,771 You kind of noticed something new every time. 1967 01:23:41,854 --> 01:23:44,315 I love that film can morph into being 1968 01:23:44,398 --> 01:23:45,816 one thing for one generation 1969 01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:48,069 and then another thing to the next generation. 1970 01:23:48,861 --> 01:23:50,071 One of my favorite lines is... 1971 01:23:50,154 --> 01:23:52,907 Michael! Did you hear your father? 1972 01:23:52,990 --> 01:23:54,158 Out of the water! 1973 01:23:54,242 --> 01:23:55,243 Now! 1974 01:23:55,326 --> 01:23:56,702 Now! 1975 01:23:56,786 --> 01:23:58,454 I love that scene. (WHISTLE BLOWS) 1976 01:23:59,664 --> 01:24:03,209 The lesson in cinema for me, with Steven in particular, 1977 01:24:03,709 --> 01:24:06,671 is the ability to make things work 1978 01:24:06,754 --> 01:24:08,297 when nothing is working. 1979 01:24:08,923 --> 01:24:11,300 I want the safety boat out because they can't see what I'm doing. 1980 01:24:11,384 --> 01:24:12,677 The whole thing is a complete mess, 1981 01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,845 but it ends up being this symphony 1982 01:24:14,929 --> 01:24:17,098 where everything just comes together. 1983 01:24:18,057 --> 01:24:19,767 The editing, the music, the acting, 1984 01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:21,185 the wonderful direction. 1985 01:24:22,019 --> 01:24:24,313 A wise director understands that 1986 01:24:24,397 --> 01:24:27,233 directing is his hostage negotiation with reality, 1987 01:24:27,775 --> 01:24:29,777 and the movie is as flawless today 1988 01:24:29,860 --> 01:24:31,946 as it will be 100 years from now. 1989 01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:37,660 It's one of those rare occurrences where 1990 01:24:37,743 --> 01:24:40,997 a generational phenomenon 1991 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,749 turns out to also be a masterpiece. 1992 01:24:45,918 --> 01:24:47,920 CAMERON: I think certain films just get a status. 1993 01:24:48,004 --> 01:24:49,005 Quint! 1994 01:24:49,088 --> 01:24:52,341 There have been movies made since, using CG sharks, 1995 01:24:52,425 --> 01:24:53,551 that aren't nearly as good. 1996 01:24:53,634 --> 01:24:56,762 It was those actors, in that moment in history, 1997 01:24:56,846 --> 01:24:58,014 with that director, 1998 01:24:58,097 --> 01:25:01,100 and no one ever having seen anything like that before. 1999 01:25:04,061 --> 01:25:06,063 Some films just hit that perfection. 2000 01:25:06,147 --> 01:25:09,066 They've become sharks, they're perfect machines. 2001 01:25:12,695 --> 01:25:16,157 To me, Jaws was a life-altering experience. 2002 01:25:16,782 --> 01:25:17,783 On the one hand, 2003 01:25:17,867 --> 01:25:20,536 it was a traumatizing experience for me 2004 01:25:20,620 --> 01:25:23,164 that was mostly about survival. 2005 01:25:23,247 --> 01:25:24,248 (SIGHS) 2006 01:25:24,332 --> 01:25:26,000 And I think all of us feel we survived something. 2007 01:25:26,500 --> 01:25:27,501 (LAUGHS) 2008 01:25:27,585 --> 01:25:29,587 Jaws also, I owe everything to. 2009 01:25:29,670 --> 01:25:31,922 Because of Jaws, I got final cut, 2010 01:25:32,006 --> 01:25:33,799 and I've had it for the past 50 years. 2011 01:25:35,593 --> 01:25:37,511 And I just hope that all the people 2012 01:25:37,595 --> 01:25:38,846 that worked on Jaws... 2013 01:25:41,599 --> 01:25:45,478 wore that experience proudly like a badge of honor. 2014 01:25:48,022 --> 01:25:49,523 And was able to go through life 2015 01:25:49,607 --> 01:25:52,943 in the glory of the success that Jaws became. 2016 01:25:54,945 --> 01:25:57,531 To be able to say, each individually, 2017 01:25:57,615 --> 01:26:00,326 "Hey, I helped make that movie. 2018 01:26:01,786 --> 01:26:03,204 "I helped tell that story. 2019 01:26:05,790 --> 01:26:07,333 "I share in its success." 2020 01:26:08,959 --> 01:26:10,169 BRODY: I used to hate the water. 2021 01:26:13,339 --> 01:26:14,548 I can't imagine why. 156679

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