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There were a number of very unfortunate
experiences that I had right around
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puberty that really established the link
between
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my blossoming sexuality and shame.
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My neighbor Susie and I were going on a
picnic. We had a blanket, we had a
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little basket of lunch, and we were
walking along the path.
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We were going to go find a picnic spot.
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And as we're walking, all of a sudden,
this guy comes out of the woods
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and he comes right up to me and says,
come with me.
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And he was a pretty big, burly guy.
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And I remember very distinctly that his
fly was open. And I went to try to run
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from him and he grabbed me.
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And he tried to drag me into the woods.
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I was screaming, blood -curdling
screaming, and I just fighting down, up,
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up, down, up. I just, I was just like an
animal. I was just like a little caught
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animal.
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And finally he took off.
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He fled.
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He couldn't contain me.
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And...
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My parents, they open the door and the
police are standing there with me and my
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mother hauls off and slams me in the
face and screams, I told you not to go
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the woods.
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And my father just stands there like a
wimp, like he usually did.
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The only one that comforted me was the
policeman. He just took me in his arms
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and held me.
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My parents never, never did.
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I was put to bed, and I just felt so
sick. I was just sick to my stomach.
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Nothing, I couldn't, I wasn't, I didn't
feel human.
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It was just, I, it was just, you know,
you don't feel like a person.
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My father, a year after this happened to
me, actually had the nerve to say,
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women who are raped are asking for it.
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If I didn't already have it implanted in
my brain, he just firmly
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implanted that idea.
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Like slivers of glass, moments of shame
slide into us, and we begin to limp.
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Sometimes the shards are so small we
don't even feel them.
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If left untended, over time they can
cripple us.
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Our shame stories are not the same.
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But maybe if we are brave enough to
share them, we will discover a common
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thread.
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Evidence that we are not alone.
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I grew up with a shame that was just
unspoken. No one spoke about sex.
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I knew it wasn't bad inherently, but I
knew that it wasn't for me.
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In fourth grade, I had a business where
I would draw comics of people fucking,
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okay? And they weren't just people, they
were the teachers.
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And, like, the teachers were fucking the
children, and I didn't know. I'm just
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everybody's person.
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And I got subscriptions, 50 cents, and I
was victim of people's lockers.
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And I was making, you know, there were
stick figures.
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No idea where I got any of this.
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And obviously I got caught.
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And I got in so much trouble.
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You know, they didn't understand how I
was coming up with all of this. I don't
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even know. But I must have been so
curious and so thirsty for information.
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that it was coming out of me.
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I became sort of fascinated with how I
felt when I looked at it,
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but I knew it was wrong.
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Very new things are getting out of hand
because Bob became more and more
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demanding, but not wishing to lose his
friendship or the prestige he enjoyed
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from his friends for having an older
boyfriend.
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She complied with his desire.
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Then Mary found she was in trouble and
had to tell her parents.
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But now it was too late for advice and
Mary had to be taken out of school and
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placed under the guidance of juvenile
authorities.
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Trying to move too quickly into a world
of grown -ups with a young person's
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faith often caused heartache and
disaster.
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I would go with these guys in high
school because I knew it was age
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and I should do it and all my friends
were doing it.
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And they would try and penetrate me, and
it would be excruciatingly painful.
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And I'd bite down because I was too
embarrassed to let them know they
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do it until I couldn't take it anymore.
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And I'd just say, stop.
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I'm really sorry. And then, I'm
apologizing.
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I'm apologizing. I'm so sorry. I'm so
sorry. I know. I'm so sorry.
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And I was so ashamed of it that I didn't
want to talk to anybody about it. I
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really didn't.
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There was no internet.
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So I couldn't even go and Google, you
know, vagina clamp or whatever.
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Vagina clamp shut.
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So I lived like that until I met my now
ex -husband at
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33.
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So were you having sex during that
period? When I met my husband, I had had
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five times.
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And I used to joke about it.
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with my boss at the time, and she would
say, times, not people.
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Times, not people.
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I felt very asexual. I knew that I had
sexual feelings, but I just, I didn't
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regard them.
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I thought I was just one of those women
who were frigid, and that I just
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didn't enjoy it. I was one of those
people who didn't enjoy it, and that was
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lot in life.
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We are constantly bombarded with sexual
imagery and left
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to navigate the mixed messaging.
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Have you had criminal sex?
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Yeah. Well, then that would make you,
from what the Bible says...
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How can we go out and conquer the world
if this whole big piece
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of our existence, of our energy is... in
denial.
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In this closet are just pictures and
pictures of books of photos
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and journals.
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Okay, let's see what we can get through.
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It's complex because of course I knew to
some degree that I was a pretty girl
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but I was insecure.
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I grew up in New York City.
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I was raised by my father and the
stepmother.
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Oh, isn't that pretty?
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Here's 13 -year -old Candy with a
terribly embarrassed look on her face,
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wouldn't with that hairdo?
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I was a very alive, passionate little
girl. I could really feel
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this stuff going on in my body. I didn't
really know what it was. I didn't know
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how to identify it, but it was there. It
was happening so intensely.
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There was no sex ed in schools at that
time, and my family never talked about
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sex.
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Here's the sum total of the closest
thing my mother ever... Talk to me about
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that.
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She said something like, I don't know
how women could put that thing in their
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mouths.
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Can you imagine?
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And I can tell you that I did not put
that thing in my mouth more than maybe
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three times the whole time I was with my
first boyfriend, the poor guy.
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I know, the poor thing.
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a whole bunch of... I have so many
pictures of men here that I had little
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wonderful delicious slings with.
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I lost my virginity when I was 18 with
my first boyfriend.
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I made him wait six months.
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I remember that my mother had taken me
to her female gynecologist.
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She asked me point blank, are you having
sex with your boyfriend?
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Yes. Are you on birth control? No.
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She wrote me a script for birth control
pills.
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They just became available.
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So when my parents found out, my mother,
I don't know, we were having some kind
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of fight or something, and she made the
pronouncement, your father thinks you're
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a tramp.
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And I told this woman doctor, she said,
don't believe them, but, you know, be
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your parents.
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The damage goes deep.
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Why the closet?
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Why did I put the camera in the closet?
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Closets are really sort of important
spaces in my life.
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One of my earliest memories is going
through my sister's closet, going
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my mother's dresser, trying to find
clothes and putting them on.
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I didn't even know what I was doing, but
I knew it was false.
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And I felt the same over it. I mean,
obviously, because I would hide it. I
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wait until everyone had gone to bed or
left the house. And then I would sneak
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the middle of the night and pull out her
tutu or her bridesmaid dress or, I
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don't know, whatever I could find,
right?
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I would put it on, and I knew that no
one else could see, and I
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knew that no one else should see, but I
knew that I needed to do it and that I
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wanted to do it.
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Just as a pilot can crash into the
trees, we know that emotional damage and
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other problems come from sharing
physical intimacies outside of marriage.
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So instead of trying to ask, what are
the limits, we should follow standards
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that will keep us safe.
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For the Strength of Youth provides this
valuable standard.
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Before marriage, do not do anything to
arouse the powerful emotions that must
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expressed only in marriage.
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In addition, For the Strength of Youth
lists some specific things we should not
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do. It says, do not participate in
passionate kissing, lie on top of
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person, touch the private sacred parts
of another person's body with or without
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clothing, or allow anyone to do that to
you.
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The Mormon Church is not a good place to
discover that you are transgender.
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It's not a place where you have the
resources to come out.
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It's a religion that deeply shames
sexual expression and any sort of non
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-conforming gender expression.
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When I was 17, I really just started to
freak out about it, and I decided I
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needed to repent, and I needed to
repent.
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everything and i needed to stop being a
sexual sinner and i needed to stop
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whatever was going on with gender
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because you have to
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confess sexual sins to a priesthood
leader right who at the time was
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my own father um i as a 17 year old
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I had to go into my father's office at
the church and detail, and they asked
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detail, things that I had done sexually,
and I talked about cross -dressing and
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just laid it all bare in front of, you
know, someone who was acting in the
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capacity of my priesthood leader, but
who was just, in fact, my own father.
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I ran for security.
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into the only dominant cultural fantasy
to which I had been exposed, right?
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I grew up in a very, like, insulated
family where that was my understanding
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the world, that that was the only way I
could find happiness.
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When you put away something that is such
a deep part of you intentionally, you
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just become a very oppressive person.
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I had married a man who was absolutely
lovely, dear, sweet man.
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We had no sex life, and I had never been
really interested in sex, so it didn't
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seem to be that big of a deal.
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I became more unhappy.
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I didn't understand what was wrong with
me. I was on different cocktails of meds
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to try and fix my unhappiness, and
nothing was working.
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And one day, my best friend told me to
watch a television show called True
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Blood.
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I watched it, and the two main
characters were in love in real life,
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would have this sex scene, and it was
really intense.
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The chemistry was palpable.
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And something just sort of triggered in
me, and I just started bawling. And I
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kept rewinding the sex scene. You know,
this is cable. It's not like, you know,
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hardcore porn, but it was this romantic
and passionate, you know, thing.
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And it dawned on me that I'd never
experienced that.
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And I felt so sad because I could feel
inside that it was an inherent part of
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the human experience.
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And I wanted that, and I knew I was
never going to have that with my
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So I had to make a big, scary choice.
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I just knew I had to get out of that
house because the longer I stayed, the
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visceral the feeling of...
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despair. That, who put me here? I'm not
living the life I'm supposed to live.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Someone, I
got woken up. And I know it sounds so
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ooga booga, but it was my experience. I
can't, you know, what can I say? But
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it was really intense.
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I found a community online that I could
be sexy with, I could flirt with, that
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flirted back with me, and then I started
exploring Twitter.
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I started tweeting as Lady Cheeky, and I
met someone that I was flirting with
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named Martin Gare.
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And that person and I became friends,
and then three months later, I
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ended up meeting him.
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I, for the first time, experienced
sexual passion.
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I had been wooed for three months. I had
been romanced and love letters and all
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this. So I was completely built up and
had never enjoyed sex before. And now I
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was enjoying sex.
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I was able then to just be naked
physically and then, you know, oddly
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emotionally with him.
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which made the sex even better and made
the passion even more intense.
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Once you go there, you can't go back.
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These are great shots. This is during
one of the huge marches against the
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Vietnam War.
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We've got all those big marches for
women's lives.
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And this is when I discovered the
women's movement.
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I discovered this coalition around the
corner, and it spoke to me.
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This was about 69, 70.
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I became very politicized. I became a
woman's liberal, as we used to call it
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then. We had a table we set up on the
grand concourse. We'd give out
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We actually, twice a year, would turn
our storefront into a clinic.
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and we provided free pap smears for the
neighborhood women.
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So here I am sitting around during
meetings with the women's group. While
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there, I would do these sketches of my
sisters.
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Friday nights, we turned it into a
little, like, coffee house.
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Bronx Coalition Coffee House
presentation by the Women's Collective,
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Woman?
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Equal rights to have a job, to have
respect, not be viewed as a piece of
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Equal rights to set forth our own
humanity.
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One of our big platforms was equal
pleasure.
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And that meant that we wanted our
partners to understand us, to know our
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and to listen to us and give us equal
time in bed. And that's not what's
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happening now.
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Lady Cheeky is a photo blog.
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It started as a photo blog. It became
popular, and it sort of grew into a
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where I would blog erotic photos that
depict real
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passion, that depict female enjoyment.
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This is my every morning.
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After you do this for a while, too, you
see how different everything is.
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Well, I mean, you've got your hardcore,
and then you have your older man,
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younger woman.
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You have your nature shots.
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The Danes and the Swedes, I mean, that
is some weird shit.
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Some just want to show the girl being
submissive, and it's all about the man's
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pleasure.
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I think that's hot.
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Sometimes I can't really qualify for it.
I just think it's kind of sexy.
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Even if I'm not feeling particularly
sexy, because we all would.
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And even if I'm not in a relationship or
sexual
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partnership or whatever, one can forget
that they are sexual beings, you know,
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paying the gas and walking the dog and
doing everyday stuff.
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We participate usually in general on
every level.
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Except we put sex on the back burner.
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And I think it drives people crazy.
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It drives me crazy.
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A flood tide of filth is engulfing our
country in the form of newsstand
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obscenity. It is threatening to pervert
an entire generation of our American
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children. They constantly portray
abnormal sexual behavior as being
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They glorify unnatural sex acts.
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They tell youngsters that it's smart,
it's thrilling, it provides kicks to be
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homosexual, a sadist, and every other
kind of deviant.
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But actually, these magazines not only
display complete nudity, but they do so
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in a perverted manner.
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Such is this appeal to the sodomist.
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Such is these shots, which are typical
of the preoccupation with the female
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breast. to a point that it has become a
fetish.
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And this one, with its overtones of
bestiality.
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You want to go out, huh?
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I was talented. I was good in school. I
never caused trouble.
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But my father was just mean to me.
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I realized that in therapy. I was like,
what are you talking about?
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Dad didn't adore you. He was horrible to
you.
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And I think he showed more of that when
I was a little girl because I was safe,
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but not when I grew up.
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It suddenly finally dawned on me that he
didn't adore me because when I hit
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my teens, he became very uncomfortable
with my sister and I.
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I think he was afraid of his own
impulses.
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He definitely showed inappropriate.
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interested in my sister.
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First of all, I was actually rejected
because the only affection anyone got
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hers. And the message was that the only
way you know someone really loves you is
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if they desire you sexually.
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That's the most important thing for a
young woman is to be sexually desirable.
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And so it really directed my life from
there on in.
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I was looking for extra work.
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I answered an ad for nude modeling.
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Coffee, Mr. Weinman. And the agent asked
me if I was interested in being in an
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adult movie, and I was so insulted I
stormed out of the office. And I told my
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boyfriend at the time, and also a
friend, a girlfriend of mine, and they
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thought it was a great idea.
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So I went to the film set, and I was
very impressed. I had the same idea that
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probably most people had, that it was
very sleazy and, you know, have some
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guy behind the camera.
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And there were those people, but that's
not who I saw that day. And I decided to
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give it a try.
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Actually,
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it was not easy.
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I was shy.
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It felt weird. But the money was great.
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I got into it in San Francisco, and I
followed a boyfriend to L .A. who turned
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out to be a real creep.
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He was like a very cute Mick Jagger. He
was really cute, but he was
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into bad drugs, and he pulled me in for
them.
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L .A. is about the worst place you could
be as a lost young person, not knowing
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what they want to do with their lives.
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What began as just, you know, opening
your mind up, trying new things, smoking
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little pot, taking a little acid, a
little mescaline, eventually led to far
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dangerous drugs.
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And once you get on that train, it's
hard to stop it. And I didn't have the
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resilience at the time and the
confidence to keep going.
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And I think I just lost my way.
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Hey, you can just set that thing down
anywhere. We got a...
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Important thing to discuss, you know?
Well, I just bet we do.
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I was definitely suffering from some
guilt and shame.
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You know, doing something that was so
taboo, it's just not done.
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Good women don't do this.
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You know, I was a tainted woman.
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And I essentially closed the door to
many things.
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It was reckless, actually.
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I just reached this sort of like rock
bottom point where I was just completely
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dissatisfied with who I had become, with
where I was in my life.
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And I couldn't really imagine a way
forward.
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Unless I change something, right? Unless
I finally address it.
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I remember one night just like breaking
down and I went to the
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drugstore and I like got some makeup and
I went home and I put my makeup
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on and I just like cried because I
thought that it meant that I was going
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hell. I thought I had even more damned
myself because I had already tried to
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it away once. I thought that I was weak.
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I thought that I was failing myself and
failing God.
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Slowly, I started to realize what I had
been put through.
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I started to realize the sort of
brainwashing that had led me to view the
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in the way that I viewed the world, that
had caused me to have the kind of
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shameful feelings that I had.
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And slowly I sort of gained confidence
to say, no, I'm not going to hell.
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In fact, I don't believe in hell. I
don't believe in God.
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But I do believe that people should be
able to be happy. And I don't believe in
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prescribing people's behavior, you know,
in the service of ideology.
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This is Corey, part John R.
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Kidding people.
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Corey and I met in Bloomington, Indiana,
at the Kinsey Institute for Research in
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Sex, Gender, and Reproduction.
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And we met on a Wednesday, and we had
sex for the first time on Thursday
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Who are you?
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Just a big boo in this world.
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I'm just a little boo in this world.
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The amazing thing about the sexual
dynamics that I have with Corey is that
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everything is just totally open and
totally honest. And having a
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about what we want to do sexually is as
simple as having a conversation about
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where we want to go for dinner.
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There are a lot of barriers that used to
be there for me in past relationships
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that are not there anymore.
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I was often sort of with heterosexual
women who had been raised to think of
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and intimacy in a very particular way
that involved very particular acts and
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very particular sequences of those acts.
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And while some of them sort of felt
inclined to
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explore more adventurous territory, it
was always under the guise of the
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right? It was just like...
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Ooh, that would be an interesting thing
to try, but we need to stay on this sort
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of, like, main path of one very
particular kind of intercourse. When you
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detach yourself from that world and from
that worldview, so many other
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possibilities open up.
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Yeah, this is too hot. They're not going
to be able to show this on Canadian
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public television.
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I guess a lot has happened since we
first started corresponding on email.
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The Indiegogo wrapped up a few days ago,
and Corey and I made almost $11
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,000 to pay for my sex reassignment
surgery.
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I didn't know that I wanted it when I
started hormones, but after
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things got really tricky downstairs.
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Not in a physical way, right? I like
still having great orgasms, having
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orgasms than I was before.
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But my feelings about what's there
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aesthetically have really shifted.
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Is there a good hairspray in it?
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Oh,
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this is recording?
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Mm -hmm. Damn.
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One of the most painful things for me to
deal with is that I can't even look.
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I can't even look at what's going on or
where Corey is touching me or how Corey
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is touching me without feeling awful,
without feeling just like sick.
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It's been a really painful thing to
navigate, right? Because while we have
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incredible sex, there's still something
being held back.
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because I'm still kind of, like, caught
up on something.
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And it's hard to talk about this without
kind of enshrining normative ways of
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thinking about gender and genitals,
right?
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So I do have to preface this by saying
it's all about individual preference,
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it's all about meaning, and everyone can
signify things in their own way.
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Does my hair record better than it takes
a picture?
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It looks great, I think.
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I know it needs to happen, not
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because it's something that trans people
do, but because it's something that I
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want. It's something that I deeply want.
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I look back at the last four years of my
sexual journey from not enjoying sex to
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be voraciously having sex and wanting
it. And that whole arc,
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I just followed my libido. I lived
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in my sexuality. I overcorrected and
slept with anything that walked.
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I have a bit of a sense of humor, so
when things go wrong or when I'm scared
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I'm in a dangerous situation, I tend to
make light of it, you know.
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So I will have done these surprising
things.
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You would never, ever, ever do, and you
would never want your children or your
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best friends to do.
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I did, and can't believe I didn't.
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I mean, I remember driving to this bar
at 1 o 'clock in the morning. He was a
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bartender there. He was closing up the
bar, and he's like, that's the sex in
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bar. I've got a really huge dick.
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And I thought, well, I've never had a
really huge dick.
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Let's see what that's like.
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Well, let me just tell you, it's not
everything it's cracked up to be.
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A 12 -inch hard penis, bruised cervix.
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Let's just say bruised cervix. Not fun.
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And he was so proud of it.
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And it was just, you know, I was a
little scared. I was a little
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And you just never know what you're
getting. I mean, he, like, slapped me in
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middle of sex.
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Like, that was going to turn me on. Oh,
gosh, no.
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I don't really like that.
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My therapist said, you've been starving,
and someone gave you a moldy, half
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-eaten, half -sandwich, and you're
treating it like a gourmet meal.
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I wanted to have sex. I wanted to feel
cherished. And I wanted someone to be
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attracted to me. I wanted to tear my
clothes off. I mean, I don't see now.
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What's wrong with that?
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How we judge ourselves is how we judge
other people.
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So I was suppressing all of this
sexuality.
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When I would see other women expressing
their sexuality, I'd be like, a slut.
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Because there's so much shame attached
to women actively wanting it and
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making it a priority in their life,
there aren't enough women who feel they
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the agency for their own pleasure to
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go forth and attract it or grab it and
do
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it. It doesn't have to be like that.
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We are going to Playboy Radio's In Bed
with Jessica Drake.
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I wish I felt better physically at the
moment because I'm getting over the
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flu or whatever I have.
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But I'm excited. I like her. I like her
a lot. Thanks for hanging around.
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I'm Jessica Drake, and we are live in
bed today here on Playboy Radio.
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Please welcome to the show Elle Chase.
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She's a blogger, she's an author, she's
a sex educator and a coach, and she is
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committed to empowering women,
especially women over 40 and women with
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-esteem and body image issues, to seek
and untether their natural sensual
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within without shame. Please welcome to
the show, Elle Chase. Let's talk for a
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minute about what a pivotal, defining
moment may have been for you before you
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became a sex educator.
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Blogs started getting popular and people
started asking me questions.
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And I thought, why are they asking me a
question?
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I'm just posting pictures. Don't ask me.
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Go ask somebody who's qualified.
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I have over a decade in the adult
industry and I too was being asked all
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those sex questions. And to me, that was
a really pivotal moment when a woman
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came to a signing that I was doing.
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00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:43,190
with her partner and tell me she wasn't
having orgasms and they had been married
455
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:49,030
for 15 years and he thought she was
having orgasms and i knew that even
456
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:52,690
a degree i could do something to help
her when a woman tells me that she can't
457
00:38:52,690 --> 00:38:56,910
orgasm with a partner or when a woman
tells me she's uncomfortable
458
00:38:56,910 --> 00:39:02,450
or uncomfortable doing anything i just
tell her that she needs some She just
459
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:07,110
needs to take time with herself and to
nurture herself and be comfortable with
460
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:09,610
herself first. And it translates into
confidence.
461
00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:14,370
And then as soon as we're comfortable
and confident in bed, that's when we
462
00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:16,390
right? Like that's when we learn new
things.
463
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:21,190
Your big, beautiful sex workshop. Yes.
Tell me how that came about.
464
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:24,650
Well, I'm a big girl and I have sex.
465
00:39:25,810 --> 00:39:31,530
Good. And I have friends and followers
who are also people of size.
466
00:39:31,850 --> 00:39:35,050
And I would get asked questions about,
wow, you know, I really want to do this
467
00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:39,770
or I really want to do that. And also, I
really like that you will show, you
468
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:44,190
know, porn or erotic photos of women of
size that aren't, you know, fetishistic.
469
00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:47,130
There's nothing wrong with fetishizing
as long as it's consensual and you're
470
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:50,430
enjoying it too. I have no problem
dating and I have no problem finding
471
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:53,450
to have sex with that I enjoy and enjoys
me.
472
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:59,130
And I found that women out there just do
not understand that. And it's not just
473
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:01,370
about being overweight or plus size.
474
00:40:01,890 --> 00:40:02,890
Everyone's got something.
475
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:08,250
Where can we see you next? I'm going to
be at Kama Sutra Closet in Ventura. I
476
00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:10,750
love her. And I love being able to...
477
00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:15,140
To talk about something I'm so
passionate about with someone else who's
478
00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:16,140
passionate about it.
479
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,580
She is a very good sex educator. I am
becoming a good sex educator, I think.
480
00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:28,140
this world needs more of us and more of
us that are not judgmental about things.
481
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:36,640
All righty, you guys.
482
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Who's hungry?
483
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:43,060
Who's hungry?
484
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:53,980
All right. I had to admit to myself at
485
00:40:53,980 --> 00:40:58,880
a certain point that I had a lot of
conflict about it.
486
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:07,200
I think part of it was because the
movies were just so shame -based.
487
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,160
They were shame -based. I mean, I think
that porn looks the way it does because
488
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,700
it reflects our attitudes towards sex.
489
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:22,620
I know that
490
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:26,460
one of the most intense fantasies for
women is the rape fantasy.
491
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:34,500
My theory is that we are so afraid to
lose control and to give up that control
492
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:36,440
that we end up...
493
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:41,950
Unable to let go enough to really feel
pleasure and to have an orgasm
494
00:41:41,950 --> 00:41:48,570
I Did have
495
00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:53,670
conflict when I was asked to do that
That was very difficult for me. I wasn't
496
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:59,570
happy about it I don't have a lot of
memory about it, but I know that I was
497
00:41:59,570 --> 00:42:00,570
conflicted
498
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:12,640
I had to really look at some very ugly
feelings inside, you know, of feeling
499
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:19,240
ashamed and embarrassed. And I had to
separate out how I really felt about the
500
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:24,520
whole issue of performing sexually as
opposed to what society tells me I'm
501
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,620
supposed to think about it. And that's a
hard thing to do.
502
00:42:32,060 --> 00:42:35,860
I got out, and I really felt like I had
to...
503
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:41,030
I had to look at this conflict, these
feelings I was having, because I didn't
504
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:43,450
want to drag a bunch of baggage behind
me.
505
00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:49,150
And so I put myself into therapy. I
found a woman who had actually been a
506
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:50,970
worker at one time in her life.
507
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:53,030
I knew she wouldn't judge me.
508
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:56,130
And I got to work. I got to work on
myself.
509
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:13,510
came from reclaiming that really
beautiful, pure, sensual aspect of
510
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:14,510
my sexuality.
511
00:43:15,210 --> 00:43:21,030
So I felt that there was nothing wrong
with the concept of people performing
512
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:26,230
people watching, if it was all
consensual, but that pornography lacked
513
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:29,090
anything really positive and beautiful.
514
00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:35,490
I started to think about, you know, gee,
what would it be like to create movies?
515
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,480
that have a woman's voice.
516
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:40,560
You would have seen some productions up
here.
517
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:48,400
And it was, what was it? It was 11... I
realized that Candida Royale wasn't
518
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,178
going away.
519
00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:54,760
My name was getting bigger than ever
again. There was a resurgence of my work
520
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,700
because now it was coming out on video
and cable TV.
521
00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:02,540
I just decided, you know what? I think I
would like to take a stand at it. I'm
522
00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:03,519
the perfect person.
523
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,360
I already have a scar letter on me.
524
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:14,460
Our next guest is a true veteran of the
adult film industry who set out to
525
00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:17,220
produce movies specifically geared
toward a woman's enjoyment.
526
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:20,640
Let's welcome Candida Royale. Candida,
great to have you here.
527
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:22,480
You are a true pioneer.
528
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:26,410
Because you, what year did you start
your company? 1984.
529
00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:31,150
1984, and the films that they were
making back then were not geared towards
530
00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:32,410
women, really, predominantly.
531
00:44:32,850 --> 00:44:34,670
You know, I try to make real -life
situations.
532
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:39,510
The sex is more sensual. It's not as
hardcore. I don't have the typical money
533
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:44,590
shot. It was ironic because what was
really meant to just put closure to
534
00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:45,590
Royale.
535
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:49,650
opened up this whole Pandora's box.
Thank you. I'm sorry, what's going on?
536
00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:51,410
Yes, Venus, what's the problem?
537
00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:56,470
I'm sorry. What gives you the right to
say what women really want? Because
538
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:59,510
that's what you want? Well, what gives
you the right to say what women don't
539
00:44:59,510 --> 00:45:00,510
want?
540
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:08,690
I mean... Venus, with all due respect.
Sure, I
541
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:12,950
don't believe that when we have a
society...
542
00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:19,710
Have a shame based thing like
pornography and it is shameful but to a
543
00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:23,510
people it isn't shameful Oh, it is the
woman that came out here. They don't
544
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:27,690
their children to it Excuse me if it's
not thankful. Why can't their children
545
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:28,690
come?
546
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:38,270
I Think I think first of all what gives
me the right is that it's a free country
547
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:40,710
And we have the right to express
ourselves.
548
00:45:40,930 --> 00:45:42,310
It's part of our Constitution.
549
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:47,470
And if you don't want to view it, you
don't have to. It's not forced on you.
550
00:45:47,470 --> 00:45:49,870
I ended up deciding I'm not going
anywhere.
551
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:56,510
I'm going to go right back in there and
start doing something that speaks to
552
00:45:56,510 --> 00:46:01,450
women, speaks to men, speaks to all of
us, and helps us navigate this really
553
00:46:01,450 --> 00:46:03,310
messed up sense of ourselves.
554
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:16,570
And that was it. We did our first movie,
Femme, in April.
555
00:46:17,070 --> 00:46:20,770
And we did the second two in the summer.
556
00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:27,690
What was so much fun was when I would
meet people, go to a party or an event
557
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:32,170
something. Men had more problem with it
than women. Men would get a little
558
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:36,570
flustered, a little intimidated by it
all. But women, you know, they would
559
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:37,630
so what do you do?
560
00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:40,650
And I would take a deep breath and then
finally say.
561
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,300
I make erotic adult movies from a
woman's point of view.
562
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,960
And their faces would light up. Where
can I find it? I've been wanting
563
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,220
like that. Women would say things like,
oh, my gosh, after 10 years of marriage
564
00:46:56,220 --> 00:47:02,400
and three kids, you know, I can't tell
you how wonderful it is, how much you've
565
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,020
helped our marriage. Men would write and
say, thank you, thank you, thank you.
566
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,600
I'm insulted that everyone assumes all
men like the porn that's out there.
567
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:20,110
I was one of the only women of my
generation to have the
568
00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:23,770
whatever it took to come together and
make this happen.
569
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:47,680
Having a vagina means being able to
receive something,
570
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:54,120
right? To receive something in a way
that aesthetically and
571
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,940
mechanically lines up with my experience
of my own sexuality.
572
00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:18,560
400 maxi pads are you happy i got you
that the surgery
573
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,740
is becoming real to me in a way that it
hasn't yet right it's getting really
574
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:30,440
close you're so cute it is really scary
and that i have no idea what it's gonna
575
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,500
be like you know like i'm just gonna
576
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:41,800
wake up and have a completely nosed head
of genitals that i've never touched or
577
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,860
handled before and i will have no idea
how it works and like no amount of
578
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:54,320
reading like no amount of reading
anatomy or like physiology textbooks is
579
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,960
to help me like understand i actually
really like it i'll wear this to dallas
580
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,660
okay i'll wear this to dallas
581
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:05,860
Maybe we won't be killed.
582
00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:10,560
Yeah, no, seriously, if I look like a
fucking country bitch and you just look
583
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,560
like a queer younger sister or
something, like, what are you excited
584
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Okay.
585
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,320
I don't, like, well, I'm also excited
for you to be happy and, like, feel more
586
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:32,260
comfortable and it does, it's not, you
know, that much fun
587
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:33,300
to, like, watch you.
588
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:40,460
be unhappy that your parents are like
clothing and like no matter what
589
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:46,980
context it's in and this is just one
avenue to make that to improve that this
590
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:48,000
us getting ready to go
591
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:15,490
I might not have known the whole time
that I had to transition, but I
592
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:22,190
knew that there was something big that I
was deferring, that I was
593
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:24,850
scared of, that I was running away from.
594
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:31,670
I knew that I wouldn't be comfortable
for my entire life just wearing a dress
595
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:32,670
the floor.
596
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:36,970
But out of fear,
597
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:45,900
laziness even, I really put off
answering that question
598
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:52,820
for myself and really kind of diving
deep into
599
00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:55,680
my desires and figuring out what needed
to happen.
600
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Well,
601
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:37,820
what's surprising, one of the things
that's surprising about the surgery is
602
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:40,340
it hurts less than people imagine.
603
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,940
Almost uniformly.
604
00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:47,430
The potential space is there in
everyone.
605
00:51:47,650 --> 00:51:49,390
Remember, everyone starts out female.
606
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:54,230
They're all there. This isn't like we're
inventing something that's preposterous
607
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:59,790
or, you know, we're putting a new, you
know, we're not putting a new leg on a
608
00:51:59,790 --> 00:52:00,790
donkey or something.
609
00:52:01,250 --> 00:52:05,230
This is a space that was already there.
610
00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:12,690
So we're just lining it and developing
it, as would happen if you were.
611
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:18,210
meant to remain female. All right. I am
going to listen to you first.
612
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:33,740
These surgeries are so important to
people that you want to take each one as
613
00:53:33,740 --> 00:53:35,060
individual as possible.
614
00:53:55,850 --> 00:54:01,270
Well, the way my parents found out that
I was in movies way back years ago was
615
00:54:01,270 --> 00:54:02,490
really pretty horrible.
616
00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:11,170
I then did call my mother and she was
amazing. She said, well,
617
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:17,130
you're still my daughter. I still love
you. That I just, I can't imagine my
618
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:18,310
little candy doing that.
619
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:23,150
And she said, in a way I envy you
because it sounds like you worked out
620
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:24,150
issues with men.
621
00:54:26,190 --> 00:54:29,770
So that was pretty amazing. And the
truth is that my mother really grew to
622
00:54:29,770 --> 00:54:34,350
respect the business I started and how
successful I made my life.
623
00:54:35,050 --> 00:54:40,990
And my father, when, you know, when we
spoke of it, I said, gee, Dad, I feel
624
00:54:40,990 --> 00:54:42,950
kind of strange talking about this with
you.
625
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:48,290
You know, sex and all that. And he said,
you know, with all the things people
626
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:54,170
do, politicians lie, they cheat people,
people kill each other, they're cruel to
627
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:55,149
each other.
628
00:54:55,150 --> 00:54:57,590
All you're doing is bringing pleasure to
people's lives.
629
00:54:57,970 --> 00:55:00,290
You have nothing to feel ashamed of.
630
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:13,650
It validated me in
631
00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:14,650
his eyes.
632
00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:22,910
And made me feel less ashamed for sure
in his eyes.
633
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,960
I'm going to talk to you about three
things to pick up your app.
634
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:38,980
I'm a big fan of Jimmy Jane, and I'll
tell you why.
635
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:50,040
I can't
636
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,500
imagine having gone through life being
the way I was.
637
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000
No passion.
638
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,340
No romantic love. No, none of that.
639
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,780
and no sensuality.
640
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,300
How often do you come here?
641
00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:13,180
I like to come here at least once every
month or six weeks or something. I want
642
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:16,720
to see what's new. This is the Rebel I
was telling you about. They actually
643
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,880
devised a brand -new motor. They
invented a brand -new motor, and it's
644
00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:24,560
like the sonic toothbrushes. You're
supposed to glide it on your clit.
645
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,560
This thing's great, too. I love this EV.
646
00:56:29,290 --> 00:56:33,290
And it kind of also looks like a
Starship Enterprise. I do have one of
647
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:36,050
actually wear it and drive with it.
648
00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:38,330
I mean, look how fast it goes.
649
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:40,290
People go nuts for this.
650
00:56:40,530 --> 00:56:43,670
This Jimmy Jane clitoral vibe that looks
like a tooth.
651
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:46,370
It's fucking fantastic.
652
00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:52,530
The great thing about this is, for me,
it was the perfect rabbit.
653
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:56,370
Your sexuality does not have to be tied
into your body image.
654
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,920
There's lots of literature out there,
but there's no literature saying that
655
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,300
can have bad body image and still find
yourself sexy.
656
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,720
People have squirted for the first time
on this.
657
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:11,980
Oddly, this didn't make me squirt, but I
did squirt for the first time a couple
658
00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:14,460
weeks ago, which is kind of news.
659
00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:16,080
I know I didn't tell you, did I?
660
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,360
Let's talk about dildos, shall we? This
one's my favorite.
661
00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:26,120
These things are sex lifesavers. You
don't have to hold up your arms while
662
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,120
you're...
663
00:57:28,580 --> 00:57:34,720
It's about the flaws that we think we
have
664
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:41,520
and how much we think they matter really
impedes our enjoyment of not
665
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,140
just sex, but just of life.
666
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,660
I know what I want.
667
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,620
I know I can look back and see what I've
accomplished.
668
00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:55,840
I can see mistakes I've made.
669
00:57:56,650 --> 00:58:02,330
And I can see the whole journey from
beginning to middle.
670
00:58:04,070 --> 00:58:10,150
And I just think, I think that I'm at a
beginning of another chapter.
671
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:18,830
I have more shame at this point, more
embarrassment talking about loneliness
672
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:21,550
than talking about sex.
673
00:58:22,510 --> 00:58:24,570
I'll tell you the temperature of my
vagina.
674
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,440
But to tell you that I'm lonely feels
very much like
675
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:38,280
when I wanted sex. I wanted to feel that
sexuality
676
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:44,960
so badly and wanted to have that guy
just come over and felt
677
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,800
I would slut shame myself, basically.
678
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,240
It's the same sort of shame.
679
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,560
Because I think that it's worse to be
lonely.
680
00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:01,860
and admit that you're lonely than it is
to admit that you're sexual in
681
00:59:01,860 --> 00:59:02,860
society's eyes.
682
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,660
And it scares me to say to people I'm
lonely.
683
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:09,700
It scares me to tell you that I'm
lonely.
684
00:59:10,340 --> 00:59:15,040
Because there's a certain amount of
vulnerability, and when you're
685
00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:19,220
you're open to having your feelings hurt
in whatever way.
686
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:23,280
And, you know, I don't know who's going
to be watching this when this comes out.
687
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:29,310
You know, I don't know if I'll be in the
middle of a relationship or if I'll
688
00:59:29,310 --> 00:59:33,850
just have my second date with someone
and just go, oh, you know, talking about
689
00:59:33,850 --> 00:59:36,690
loneliness on the fucking documentary.
Hi.
690
00:59:37,330 --> 00:59:41,450
So, but I am.
691
00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:49,310
But the loneliness, at least the
loneliness now, it's not half as lonely
692
00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:51,190
as I was when I was married.
693
01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:10,820
I'm sad Corey can't be here. Corey's sad
she can't be here, but she's got stuff
694
01:00:10,820 --> 01:00:14,140
to take care of. Yeah, she was cute
before she left.
695
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:20,080
She came over and she was like, can I
just look?
696
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,760
And I was like, you can't see anything.
The dressing is going to be on there for
697
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,040
another day. And she just stood up here
and held the ice pack up and was just
698
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,040
like, wow.
699
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,640
How do you feel?
700
01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:34,800
I feel incredible. I feel great.
701
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:41,080
I just feel elated, too elated to be in
this bed, and I'll be able to get out of
702
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:41,658
it tomorrow.
703
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:45,680
But, yeah, I'm just, like, incredibly
happy.
704
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:52,940
It doesn't feel strange or different so
much that it feels like I feel at home.
705
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,720
You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't
feel like, oh, my God, it's gone. It
706
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,340
feels like, oh, finally, this feels like
I've, like, wanted it to feel for a
707
01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:03,340
long time.
708
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:09,460
There's a lot of work and healing to do
between now and, like, actually making
709
01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:14,760
use of it in a sexual way. But, like,
the immediate just, like, psychological
710
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,860
benefits are so, like, overwhelming that
I don't even care that it's, you know,
711
01:01:19,860 --> 01:01:23,680
covered in blood and ice and gauze and
stuff.
712
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,920
I just care that it's there.
713
01:01:45,290 --> 01:01:50,870
Up until now, like, figuring out my
sexuality has felt like something that
714
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:57,590
had to do in the dark, you know? And I'm
just... I'm just kind of
715
01:01:57,590 --> 01:02:03,810
overwhelmed that I don't have to do that
anymore, you know?
716
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:10,530
That I have a partner determined to show
me how things work and
717
01:02:10,530 --> 01:02:14,030
who's ready to figure out what this
means for us.
718
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:21,180
who's going to be there to help me,
like, readjust and that kind of thing.
719
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:27,820
just, like, such a different experience
from growing up as, like, a closeted
720
01:02:27,820 --> 01:02:32,680
transgender kid not having any idea
what's going on with you, your body,
721
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:37,320
understanding of yourself, or, like, how
you want to be with other people to
722
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,900
being in this, like, incredibly, like...
723
01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:47,040
loving and supportive network of people
who help each other and help you figure
724
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,040
yourself out.
725
01:02:50,060 --> 01:02:53,880
I'm just glad I'm not taking any more
tips in the dark.
726
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,350
It's really hard for me to say what's
next because I've been hit with probably
727
01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:12,050
the biggest challenge of my life.
728
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:16,710
Three years ago, I was diagnosed with
stage 3 ovarian cancer.
729
01:03:18,670 --> 01:03:25,210
On the light side, it's pretty ironic
that my whole adult
730
01:03:25,210 --> 01:03:31,790
career seems to have been around sex and
eros, and here I get
731
01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:37,710
an illness that's all around hormones
that...
732
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,440
you know, we produce in order to have
sex.
733
01:03:40,820 --> 01:03:46,220
It's been very traumatic, and it
certainly gives you a sense of urgency.
734
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,580
I've taken great care of myself.
735
01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:58,260
I'm in really good shape, and I fully
intended to have a very rich
736
01:03:58,260 --> 01:04:03,060
stage three, chapter three. I don't want
that robbed from me.
737
01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:10,370
They removed everything that was at all
hormone -producing.
738
01:04:11,650 --> 01:04:14,170
I don't have much sexuality anymore.
739
01:04:14,790 --> 01:04:17,230
I really don't have sexuality left.
740
01:04:19,350 --> 01:04:20,850
It's very sad.
741
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:27,550
And it's a dilemma for women in my
situation that they really don't know
742
01:04:27,550 --> 01:04:28,550
do for.
743
01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:35,270
Even your ability to conjure up
fantasies and desire is so...
744
01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:40,500
Driven by the chemicals in your body the
hormone so that without those hormones
745
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:44,840
I don't really it's hard to even come up
with the old fantasies
746
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:58,780
I
747
01:04:58,780 --> 01:05:05,220
Loved that I loved that I had such great
sex and I I went
748
01:05:05,530 --> 01:05:12,010
all the way from the continuum of just
touching, all the way to just
749
01:05:12,010 --> 01:05:15,450
fucking, really fuck me hard.
750
01:05:15,850 --> 01:05:20,770
Fuck me, fuck me hard. Just do me, pound
me.
751
01:05:21,330 --> 01:05:23,870
You know, all the way, the whole
continuum.
752
01:05:24,450 --> 01:05:26,310
And it was just delicious.
753
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,020
I think it's important for women to have
the freedom to explore their sexuality
754
01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:46,660
because it's part of who we are. It's
part of what makes us who we are.
755
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:53,580
If we're all repressed over on this
other side, I don't believe that we can
756
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:59,840
burst forth and be this confident,
creative,
757
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:05,920
expressive person just in one area of
our lives, but not over here.
758
01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:07,410
Put that away.
759
01:06:08,110 --> 01:06:12,110
The more you try to repress something
because you're ashamed of it, the bigger
760
01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:13,330
and more powerful it gets.
67049
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