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Oh man.
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Let's move.
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Oh my... I've never
seen it like this.
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Jeez.
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It's a lot bigger than
I remember it being.
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This slab up here,
this is the stage.
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When I died, I wanted my ashes
to be like ground up like grind
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up a part of this and put my
ashes into this middle section
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because I thought this
would be here forever.
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I've never seen a
nightclub like this.
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It had a feel.
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There's chandeliers.
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There's stained glass.
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There was this
mystique about it.
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There's mystery in the air.
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This is my place.
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This is my home.
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It was just
like an orgasm of life.
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It was, I think, summer of '86.
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We're all skateboarding
out in my driveway.
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And we all had the jam
box out there cranked up.
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And then it went to
the stupid commercial.
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It came back from that
with a chainsaw ripping.
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We're all shouting, "Timber!"
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Because DOA had a song
called Lumberjack City.
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No, timber happens, and we're
like, what the hell is going on?
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And all of a sudden this
like kick drum just kicks in.
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We hear this howling.
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It sounded like the
devil was like coming
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through the speakers.
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We run into the garage
and get the phone.
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We're calling the station
and waiting for 15 minutes
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like for them to answer.
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And finally, somebody
answered and we're like, hey,
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you started this set off
with there was a chainsaw.
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It sounded like the devil.
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What was that?
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They're like, that was
skinny puppy chainsaw.
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It was just mind blowing.
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And I'm like...
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And it was that moment when
I started wearing black.
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I was a kid.
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I was about 11 years old, and
there was a lounge near my house
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where I grew up.
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And I used to ride my bike
over there after school.
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And they would be
setting up the club.
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And the band would be
rehearsing and they'd
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be putting the ashtrays out and
washing down the rubber mats.
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And I thought, this is
the coolest thing ever.
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This is what I want to
do, right then and there
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that I wanted to be in
the nightclub business.
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I worked at a club called
After The Gold Rush.
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I was 18.
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And I would do shitty jobs,
cleaning the bar mats,
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scrubbing the floors.
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Terrible jobs.
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But I was there all day,
every day by myself.
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And so I used to go into the DJ
booth and I would play records.
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And I sort of taught
myself how to DJ.
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And one day, the DJ was sick.
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I said, I can do it.
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They're like, you?
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And I'm like.
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And they said, all right.
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So I DJed.
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And After The Gold
Rush, it was like 1976.
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It was the disco era.
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And I just got up and
banged it out, man.
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I hit a home run
because I thought
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the coolest job in this
whole nightclub is the DJ.
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Well, now I really
have the coolest job.
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Well, I just picked
up the new Stevie Ray
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Vaughan live from
Montrose CD, so I'm
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more into rock and roll
and rhythm and blues,
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but I also like dance music.
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I was a DJ for 10 years
before I was a club owner.
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Oh yeah.
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If you were in
Deep Ellum in the early 80s,
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it would not look like
what it looks now.
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At that time it was
warehouses, cheap rent.
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It was just kind of a
shadow of its former self,
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being the famous Deep
Ellum of the 1930s.
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I got the Dallas blues
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and I'm feeling
mighty, a bit mighty.
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I mean sad.
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I got the Dallas blues and
I'm feeling mighty sad.
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Deep Ellum has just such
as incredibly rich history
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from blues being there,
and that sort of...
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80s when it was sort
of being revived,
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making it a kind of destination.
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There was no Goth scene.
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In the time we
called it industrial.
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Goth, really, I don't
think was coalescing yet.
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And it really took
the clubs to do that.
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Clubs that were operating
in those early 80 years
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were a reaction to the
prominent way in which Dallas
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thought of itself.
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All of those people
who didn't fit
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in to a sort of
traditional nightclub
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would find people like
them at the start.
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The Starck
Club was groundbreaking.
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What they did was really
innovative and way ahead
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of its time.
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Philippe Starck
designed the space.
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It was an incredible space.
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Everything about
it was glamorous.
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Many people who went to star
Starck spent like all day trying
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to figure out what to wear.
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There were certainly
some people who
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were dressed somewhat in Goth.
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But musically, I think
the Starck Club really
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broke new ground.
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It's music that was descendant
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of synthpop and disco.
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That music that
was so innovative and so
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progressive, we incorporated
a lot of it into The Church.
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Starck set a tone that
the church and Lizard Lounge
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sort of carried on.
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Everything about
Starck Club inspired me.
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Everything.
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In 1988, dad decides that we're
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moving back to Arlington.
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And it was like the first
couple of weeks of school.
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I'm in English class, and
this guy would show up late.
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And he had this just total
disregard for everything look.
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He just looked cool.
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I see that he's wearing
a Skinny Puppy shirt.
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And I look over.
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I'm like, dude, you
like Skinny Puppy?
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He's like, yeah.
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You know Skinny Puppy?
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And I'm like, yeah.
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And I show him my book.
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I had drawn the
logo on the cover.
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A couple of weeks
later, he's like,
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hey, what are you
doing Friday night?
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Well, there's a party,
you should come.
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And I'm like, OK, cool.
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And I go to this party.
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I'm like scared.
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And I'm looking at
everybody, and they all
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look like heavy
metal rock stars.
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And the girls all look
like rock star video girls.
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I look up, and there's my friend
coming through the front door
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with ice.
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I'm like, dude, I don't
know anybody here.
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I thought this was
like high school party.
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He's like, oh, no, this is
Vinnie and Daryl's place
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from Pantera.
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He leaves again, and
I'm just sitting there.
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And all of a sudden this girl
falls out of heaven or something
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into my lap.
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And then she says, hey,
let's go to Empire.
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And I'm like, OK.
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I'm like, I don't
know where I'm going.
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And I got to be
home by midnight.
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And it was like the long way
to get to downtown Dallas.
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It's just so unreal.
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It's unreal how big these
buildings are all lit up.
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And it's beautiful.
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So we pass downtown, and
we go into this bridge.
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And then everything is
like lower buildings.
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They're like two,
three story high,
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but like a lot more neon
and a lot of graffiti
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and a lot of punk
looking people.
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And I'm like, oh, this is cool.
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What is this?
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And she said, oh,
this is Deep Ellum.
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And we're driving
through, and I'm
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seeing people with Mohawks
and different colored hair.
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And I'm just like,
I'm tripping out.
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But I got scared
because all of a sudden
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it went from being this
neon jungle of punk
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and new wave looking
people everywhere
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to nothing but warehouses.
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And I'm like, they're
going to kill me.
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They're going to tie me
to a pole and kill me.
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And we turn down
from good Latimer.
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We turn on to Swiss Avenue.
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As we turn the corner,
I realized that, oh,
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there's another club here.
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And we walk in and my mind
is completely blown away.
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There's chandeliers.
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There's stained glass.
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I look at the spiral
staircase going up
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to the second floor with this
little chandelier hanging there.
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And I'm like, this is gorgeous.
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This is amazing.
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There are all these
people dancing.
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And I hear the music.
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I'm like, this
place is so awesome.
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She goes, this is
just the entryway.
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And I'm like, OK.
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And she takes me in.
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And it was just this big room
with moving lights everywhere,
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disco balls.
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The music was Lucretia,
My Reflection.
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I remember the song.
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This is my home.
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I want to be here.
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I want to be here.
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And this was 2424 Swiss.
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To me, Empire at that
location at 2424 Swiss kind of
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became the club extension of my
radio show, pre Lizard Lounge.
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It's 3:30, and you're listening
to KNON 90.9 FM Dallas.
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My name is Jeff K. Time
once again for Thud Slap.
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Everything I played had to have
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that kind of electronic
almost aggro beat, bands
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like Xymox, Tackhead,
The Neon Judgment.
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Well, there was only
one place in Dallas
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that those bands played
and that was Empire.
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That's right.
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We're here with Xymox.
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And remember, folks, they're
playing this evening at Empire.
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It's good to have you.
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How is it in Dallas today?
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Pretty hot, isn't it?
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Oh, yes, yes.
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Too hot for you?
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I'm melting.
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You're melting?
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Well, that's interesting.
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I got a phone
call from a guy named
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Frank Rigney who told me I
heard from a real estate broker
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you were looking for
a space in Dallas.
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And I have a space.
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Originally, it was a
trolley car repair station.
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And it wasn't so much
a repair station.
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It was like a parts depot.
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There's a trolley
track that runs right
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in front of the place.
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In the 1940s, it became
a furniture warehouse.
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And in 1974, Frank Rigney
redesigned that space
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to convert it from a furniture
warehouse into a dinner theater.
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And they brought in this
baccarat chandelier,
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which when you walk into that
space, it's breathtaking.
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It was really opulent.
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It was a beautiful room with
the red carpet, the red drapes
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and gold chains.
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I mean, it was very
Gothic looking.
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And it was 2424 Swiss Avenue.
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What's up, Joe?
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Good to see you, man.
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How you doing, man?
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Doing good.
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Doing good.
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It's been a while
since I've been in here.
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It's emotional walking in here.
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Obviously it stirs
up some emotion.
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I spent 28 years in this room.
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I was here every night.
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I remember the first night I
had the keys to this building.
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My partner and I sat in chairs
right here and right here
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and just looked
around this space.
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And we couldn't
believe it was ours
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because I had come in here in
1988 when it was the Empire.
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And I love this space.
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And I just wouldn't
have believed you
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if you told me then
three years later,
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I would be operating a Lizard
Lounge out of this very room.
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I was still in high school.
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And I heard about this
place called the Lizard
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Lounge that was opening.
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The advertisements were all
techno and it was just like...
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Tonight the Lizard Lounge
presents tickets are only $5
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for over 21 at
the lizard Lounge.
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2424 Swiss Avenue
live The Lounge.
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I've never been more nervous
in my life, but we did it.
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And we opened December 19, 1991.
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It was packed.
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And I connected with
a guy named Jeff K.
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And Jeff was a guy who
really opened my eyes
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and taught me
about rave culture.
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It really all starts with
the first two performances
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that Don and I
worked on together,
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and that would have been
the prodigy in 1992.
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And then later that
same year, Moby.
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The first artist that really
got my attention was Moby.
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He is considered
by many to be one
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of the true pioneers of techno.
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Moby.
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And he's coming to
the Lizard Lounge.
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When we booked Moby, we
had 1,000 people in line.
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And I'm out in
front of the club.
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I saw Moby walking
under the freeway.
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He came up and he said,
man, that's some line.
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I said, this is the line
of people who can't get in.
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And he said, well, what
are you going to do?
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I said, I have no idea.
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When it was time for Moby
to show up to the venue,
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he saw so many
people that he said,
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you know what, why
don't we do two shows?
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That really gave me perspective
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as to how significant
the whole EDM scene is.
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And I saw the
future right there.
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Don really had
his finger on the pulse,
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knowing what was going to be
the next big thing, the Lizard
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Lounge, techno,
DJs as rock stars.
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He predicted all
that you would get.
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Paul Van Dyk, Armin van Buuren,
Steve Aoki, LMFAO, Dead Mouse,
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tons of Moby, Moby.
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00:16:01,375 --> 00:16:02,749
Don was one of the first people
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to start bringing
electronic acts to Dallas.
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He would bring the people
to perform that were
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just records up until then.
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No one had seen them perform.
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No one had knew what they
looked like and everything.
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You would get high level
DJs like Paul Oakenfold.
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I love that venue.
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That venue, the setup, the
white is pretty intense
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to perform there.
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The Dallas crowd are fantastic.
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They're really into
electronic music.
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This city was a pioneer
in club culture.
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Club culture.
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Guy named
Larry Siegel called me up
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and he said, hey, I've
got the space in Miami.
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I know you've got that
Lizard Lounge concept.
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We think it's a good fit.
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And we went to Miami and we
opened the Lizard Lounge.
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On Sunday night, there was
a nightclub called Velvet.
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And inside Velvet, they had
a night called The Church.
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I thought the music
was incredible.
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It was heavier, harder, deeper.
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Yeah, way darker.
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It wasn't
particularly a Goth club per se,
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but it was a big
ingredient of the night.
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You had your college kids.
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You had your Goth kids.
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You had your hip hop kids.
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And everybody got along.
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And we loved The Church.
333
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We went there
every Sunday night.
334
00:17:56,190 --> 00:18:00,859
But eventually, the Lizard
Lounge in Miami failed.
335
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When I came back to
Dallas, I was broke.
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And I said, we had this
experience in Miami.
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00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:09,599
Let's try to take
something positive from it.
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00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,160
So I reached out to Carlos
Menendez and I said, look...
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I wanted to create the feeling
I got when I walked into Miami,
340
00:18:24,763 --> 00:18:27,363
and the idea that we took
forward was The Church.
341
00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,649
The Church breathed new
life into the Lizard Lounge.
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00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:04,399
Slowly but surely, just
grabbing any customer
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00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,859
we could get to tell them we
got this really cool thing
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happening on Sunday night.
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You should come check it out.
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00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:12,467
The way that I would describe
the church to people from out
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of town that want to know
what our club's like, I said,
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00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,959
watch any of those movies
from the late 90s when they go
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to this massive club with
all these people and vinyl
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00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:24,509
and spikes and leather and
really cool looking clubs.
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00:19:24,510 --> 00:19:26,809
The church was that in red.
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00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:28,759
There was this
mystique about it.
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00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,309
There's mystery in the air.
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00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:32,449
Magic.
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00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:36,659
There's also decadence and
debauchery and indulgence.
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00:19:36,660 --> 00:19:40,289
But there's this energy and
this connection between everyone
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00:19:40,290 --> 00:19:40,790
there.
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00:19:40,791 --> 00:19:42,622
Because you would see
all kinds of people,
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00:19:42,623 --> 00:19:44,489
punks, and new wavers and goths.
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00:19:44,490 --> 00:19:48,199
Everybody was like
their super selves.
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00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,449
I remember hearing
about The Church.
362
00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:53,459
I was in my last
year of high school.
363
00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:57,759
It was 1994 and there
were radio ads for it.
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00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,369
Give her what she
knows, not what she does.
365
00:20:02,370 --> 00:20:06,159
An industrial strength dose
of divine intervention.
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00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,974
Sundays at The Church.
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00:20:07,975 --> 00:20:09,599
It's one of the
few times that the ad
368
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,819
rings true because it was all of
these people sort of ironically,
369
00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:14,169
wearing a religious clothing.
370
00:20:14,170 --> 00:20:16,169
But we didn't really have
a religion, of course.
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00:20:16,170 --> 00:20:18,789
There were several Satanists.
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00:20:18,790 --> 00:20:21,771
They had this
huge, massive statue.
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00:20:21,772 --> 00:20:23,229
And he's looking
down at the crowd.
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00:20:23,230 --> 00:20:25,629
And it's just menacing and huge.
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00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:30,689
You see how everything is
designed and decorated.
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00:20:30,690 --> 00:20:34,870
All of that plays a part in
creating this atmosphere.
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00:20:48,273 --> 00:20:49,689
We presented ourselves
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00:20:49,690 --> 00:20:51,134
like we were really a church.
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00:20:51,135 --> 00:20:52,509
And I think to
some degree that's
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where the sense of community
started to come in.
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00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:57,699
Walking into that
club for the first time
382
00:20:57,700 --> 00:21:02,439
and seeing that dance floor and
how many people that were there
383
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,209
dressed up.
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00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:05,899
There was no hot topic.
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00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:08,659
The women, they would have
to make their own clothes.
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00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:13,179
You're either in gowns that
you probably got at Goodwill
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00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:15,909
and made look
Victorian and Gothic.
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00:21:15,910 --> 00:21:18,909
Lots of long, flowy skirts.
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00:21:18,910 --> 00:21:24,099
Lots of electrical tape
covering private parts.
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00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:29,979
People who knew who
they were and seemed
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00:21:29,980 --> 00:21:34,899
very accepting of everyone.
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00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:37,959
You had people that were
non-binary and people that were
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00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,900
binary.
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00:21:38,901 --> 00:21:40,489
You had drag queens.
395
00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:42,619
You had people
that were straight.
396
00:21:42,620 --> 00:21:44,109
You had people that were gay.
397
00:21:44,110 --> 00:21:46,699
We had a guy that
used to do pony play.
398
00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,339
He had these pony hooves,
and he had a saddle.
399
00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:51,439
And people used to ride
him around the club.
400
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,599
The whole idea behind the church
401
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,399
is always sort of like misfits
island, everyone Welcome.
402
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,919
And it was like that
in the very beginning.
403
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,269
The fact that there's
this club for outcasts.
404
00:22:00,270 --> 00:22:02,269
And that's what I think
most people... most of us
405
00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:04,339
were in high school and
middle school and stuff.
406
00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:07,599
It's funny now that
I come here, and I
407
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,310
was an outcast in high school.
408
00:22:08,311 --> 00:22:09,679
I never was popular.
409
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,259
And all of a sudden
I'm popular now here.
410
00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:15,829
People like to dress up and
play a personality, especially
411
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:17,376
a dark personality.
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00:22:17,377 --> 00:22:19,459
I had a guy when we first
opened The Church that
413
00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:21,139
used to dress like a Unabomber.
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00:22:21,140 --> 00:22:23,989
He had a hoodie and
sunglasses, and he used to hide
415
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:25,559
and dart around corners.
416
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,499
He also dressed as Ed Gein.
417
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:30,739
He would dance on
the dance floor
418
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:33,239
with the shovel and the hat.
419
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,662
A real shovel.
420
00:22:34,663 --> 00:22:36,204
And then there
were the people that
421
00:22:36,205 --> 00:22:38,699
were playing masquerade
all over the place,
422
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:40,369
and they were dressed
like vampires.
423
00:22:40,370 --> 00:22:42,529
They'd all have their
notebooks with them,
424
00:22:42,530 --> 00:22:43,889
keeping track of everything.
425
00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:45,389
And it's like, oh,
don't talk to me.
426
00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:46,130
I'm invisible.
427
00:22:46,131 --> 00:22:48,799
OK, so.
428
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:49,909
We learned that there
429
00:22:49,910 --> 00:22:55,519
are a bunch of people who don't
fit in to mainstream society.
430
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,969
And The Church was becoming
the center of community
431
00:22:58,970 --> 00:23:02,179
to the Gothic alternative
crowd in Dallas.
432
00:23:02,180 --> 00:23:04,399
Honest, this is the
best club in America.
433
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,129
And it's ironic that
it's in Dallas, Texas.
434
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:09,779
There's a stereotypical
view of Dallas, Texas.
435
00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:11,429
Yeah, we're Kennedy killers.
436
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:12,779
We're Cowboys.
437
00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:15,829
And that's probably
been the fertile ground
438
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:17,790
that has bred The Church.
439
00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:23,553
I would follow you forever.
440
00:23:26,660 --> 00:23:29,359
I was raised in a very
conservative Southern Baptist
441
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:33,509
family, and I'm Wiccan.
442
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:35,149
So it never really...
443
00:23:35,150 --> 00:23:39,559
I never really fit in my family
or in the town I grew up in.
444
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,819
We hold no bias towards
religion, race, creed,
445
00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:44,710
or anything.
446
00:23:44,711 --> 00:23:46,339
Anybody is welcome.
447
00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:48,635
Our main goal is
that you have fun.
448
00:23:52,690 --> 00:23:53,839
I work railroads.
449
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,129
I make steel.
450
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:57,699
I work in steel factories
and stuff like that,
451
00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,679
but no one... everyone there,
it's like everyone's in a suit
452
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,310
and hard hats.
453
00:24:00,311 --> 00:24:03,169
No one expects it.
454
00:24:03,170 --> 00:24:07,529
There is nothing more exciting
and passionate than the fact,
455
00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:11,299
getting under the
spotlights, center stage,
456
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,729
hearing the music
pounding behind you,
457
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:18,439
and feeling that energy
come up through your veins.
458
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,139
Rule number one of
dancing is don't give
459
00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:23,220
a damn what anybody thinks.
460
00:24:50,620 --> 00:24:52,904
Can you do it tighter
in the middle there, baby?
461
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:06,700
Hey, man.
462
00:25:06,701 --> 00:25:08,155
Thank you.
463
00:25:08,156 --> 00:25:09,156
How you doing?
464
00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:26,159
In 1997, I moved
into my own place,
465
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,299
first time living by myself.
466
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,169
And I bought this
dry erase board.
467
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:33,609
I mapped it out a
weekly schedule.
468
00:25:33,610 --> 00:25:36,329
Sunday at the top, it
said, take over The Church.
469
00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:39,627
And then you'd go down to
Thursday, take over the church,
470
00:25:39,628 --> 00:25:41,169
because I want it
to be the DJ there.
471
00:25:41,170 --> 00:25:44,509
And one night I'm there, and
Leo, the general manager,
472
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:45,100
is there.
473
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:46,000
And I knew him already.
474
00:25:46,001 --> 00:25:47,321
I had already met him before.
475
00:25:47,322 --> 00:25:48,779
But I would go up
to him like, hey,
476
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:51,799
man, so when you
want a real goth DJ,
477
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,162
a real DJ here, give me a call
because I felt that there was
478
00:25:55,163 --> 00:25:56,579
a lot of music
that wasn't getting
479
00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:58,919
played that needed to be played.
480
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,240
So I was like, I want
to take over The Church.
481
00:26:05,678 --> 00:26:07,469
I don't remember the first time
482
00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:09,199
I walked into the space.
483
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,809
I actually cannot remember.
484
00:26:10,810 --> 00:26:14,579
I don't have a very good
memory for a lot of reasons.
485
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:19,499
What I do remember
was the atmosphere.
486
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:20,559
It was club lighting.
487
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,959
It was a feeling of
these are my people.
488
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,589
Helen used to be
Don Edwards' wife
489
00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:31,809
asked me if I would be
interested to DJ at The Church.
490
00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:34,299
And Don created a night for me.
491
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,169
It was called PTL.
492
00:26:37,170 --> 00:26:38,639
Praise the Lord.
493
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,980
And my DJ name and still
is today is Lord Byron.
494
00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:47,889
It was no secret to everybody
about how much I used to drink,
495
00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:51,729
but I did that abusively
while working at The Church.
496
00:26:51,730 --> 00:26:56,189
And my last night at The Church
was during an alcoholic blackout
497
00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:59,699
where I was informed I was
throwing music or records out
498
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:00,809
into the audience.
499
00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:03,869
I ripped Helen's
earring out of her ear.
500
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:06,899
And then friends threw me into a
vehicle and got me out of there.
501
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:08,250
And that was my last night.
502
00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:18,739
I disconnected from
night light completely
503
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:22,129
until I ended up
with my fifth DWI,
504
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:24,130
and that's when I got sober.
505
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:48,759
About 3 and 1/2 years
into my sobriety,
506
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,799
I really miss nightlife and not
as a patron, but I wanted to DJ.
507
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,699
I wanted to be a part of that
energy the way that I used to.
508
00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:00,369
I initially approached Don
about the idea of Panopticon.
509
00:28:00,370 --> 00:28:03,419
I said, listen, I'm
sober, and I would
510
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:06,209
love to have an
opportunity to DJ again.
511
00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:08,649
I'm not even sure he fully
believed me at that time.
512
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:10,282
I mean, I don't
blame him at all.
513
00:28:10,283 --> 00:28:11,200
I don't blame anybody.
514
00:28:11,201 --> 00:28:13,559
I'm not sure anybody
who knew me really
515
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,409
knew that I could be sober.
516
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:20,879
And also the early days
of Panopticon, I just...
517
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,289
I was sober.
518
00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:23,319
I wasn't social.
519
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,669
I couldn't talk to anybody.
520
00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:28,279
So I led a very closeted life.
521
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,639
Later I was dating who's
now my husband, Yuri.
522
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,559
And through that relationship
I was able to come out.
523
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,509
After I was able to
bring Gary into the mix
524
00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:43,329
and walk into my own club night,
holding the hand of somebody
525
00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:45,309
that I truly cared
about, I felt like I
526
00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:50,529
could breathe, not just in my
club night, but just in my life.
527
00:28:50,530 --> 00:28:52,899
I was honest with everybody.
528
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:54,456
And I was so well embraced.
529
00:28:54,457 --> 00:28:55,789
It was like not even a big deal.
530
00:28:55,790 --> 00:28:57,639
I look back and it
was kind of ironic
531
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,639
because I created this night
called Panopticon, certainly
532
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,299
inspired by The Church, which
is a safe space for everybody.
533
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,431
I just still wasn't comfortable
enough in my own skin.
534
00:29:07,432 --> 00:29:08,889
I can see how people
have struggled
535
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:12,259
with alcohol and drugs
and mental illness,
536
00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:14,385
and it's just not
always the easy thing.
537
00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:21,589
Panopticon just evolved into
one of these safe spaces
538
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:22,560
for people too.
539
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,370
I didn't know it.
540
00:29:23,371 --> 00:29:25,129
I didn't put a sign out there.
541
00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:28,609
It made me feel really
good that Panopticon turned
542
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:31,789
into this place of non
judgment and anybody
543
00:29:31,790 --> 00:29:34,399
could walk into the
doors of Panopticon
544
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,999
just like at The Church and
feel they could be themselves
545
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,360
without judgment,
without prejudice.
546
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:22,979
It was nice to go
into The Church
547
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:25,499
because I didn't have
to explain who I was,
548
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,699
and nobody ever asked.
549
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,299
But I could have gone to
The Church from day one
550
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,849
and explained who I
was, and everybody would
551
00:30:33,850 --> 00:30:37,146
have loved me just the same.
552
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:43,269
One day I get a phone call.
553
00:30:43,270 --> 00:30:44,529
It's Leo from The Church.
554
00:30:44,530 --> 00:30:47,139
And he's like, hey, you
still want a DJ here?
555
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:50,319
And I'm like, of course.
556
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,399
He's like, all right.
557
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,229
Let's start you the first
Thursday of January.
558
00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:57,929
And I'm like, OK, cool.
559
00:30:57,930 --> 00:30:58,830
All right.
560
00:30:58,831 --> 00:31:00,599
All right, cool.
561
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:00,990
See you there.
562
00:31:00,991 --> 00:31:03,659
So I'm like, oh,
this is the start.
563
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:04,457
This is the start.
564
00:31:04,458 --> 00:31:05,790
This is the start of everything.
565
00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:33,579
Joe is absolutely
a master at his craft,
566
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:37,409
and he's great about bringing a
room together and just bringing
567
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:39,677
power into a dance floor.
568
00:31:39,678 --> 00:31:41,969
I always felt like
I was going to get fired.
569
00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:43,589
That they're trying to
replace me because Don
570
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:45,159
never really talked
to me before.
571
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,969
I had this weird
intimidation factor with him.
572
00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:51,279
One night, tanked the
room, nobody in there.
573
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:57,299
So I'm like, OK, I'm going
to play Baby Got Back.
574
00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:58,869
Crowd went nuts.
575
00:31:58,870 --> 00:32:01,389
And I'm just like,
this is awesome.
576
00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:03,639
So then Clint comes over to
me, and he's our door guy.
577
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,109
Clint comes running
over and says,
578
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:07,449
hey, Don wants to see
you outside real quick.
579
00:32:07,450 --> 00:32:10,239
And I'm like, shit,
I'm getting fired.
580
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,990
I'm getting fired.
581
00:32:10,991 --> 00:32:12,447
Don's calling me
out on the carpet.
582
00:32:12,448 --> 00:32:17,099
I get out there
and he's like, Joe,
583
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,919
what made you decide to
do this Goth hop thing?
584
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,259
Well... and he's like, well,
whatever you're doing,
585
00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:27,869
keep doing it because
that's awesome.
586
00:32:27,870 --> 00:32:32,699
And I'm like, oh, I didn't die.
587
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:33,575
I do remember a
lot of nights where
588
00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:34,949
there wasn't a
packed dance floor
589
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:37,479
and I'm like waiting for Don to
come running down the stairs.
590
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,313
But you know what?
591
00:32:38,314 --> 00:32:44,249
I never used the dance floor as
a barometer of success for a DJ.
592
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,669
If you're not going for it, and
you're not dumping your dance
593
00:32:47,670 --> 00:32:49,799
floor, you're just not trying.
594
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,099
You can't be afraid
to try something new.
595
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,499
I felt like we needed to
inject new life into The Church
596
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:57,549
to start reaching
a broader audience.
597
00:32:57,550 --> 00:33:00,749
Live music, we felt,
was really important.
598
00:33:00,750 --> 00:33:03,560
Man, so many bands.
599
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,554
It was fun.
600
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:46,819
Well, I think, first of all,
the history, the location,
601
00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:48,829
the background of all
the bands that played in.
602
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:51,429
I think the more everybody
plays there, you walk in
603
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:55,299
and it has an aura about
it, the whole feeling.
604
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:58,299
I was very surprised
to see this kind of club
605
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:03,159
with this kind of decoration
and beautiful elements in it.
606
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,249
It's important to
us as a band to give
607
00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:09,599
the audience an experience
rather than just put on a show.
608
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,388
It was very easy at The Church
to create the kind of atmosphere
609
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:14,812
that we like to create.
610
00:34:14,813 --> 00:34:16,729
It makes me so happy
just thinking about it,
611
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:18,519
and I would get so
excited when we had
612
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,499
a show booked for The Church.
613
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:24,579
The Church was just
so spectacular looking.
614
00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:30,698
And it just looks sort of like a
place where vampire royalty were
615
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:32,979
assembling for a ball.
616
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:34,809
I kind of knew like, OK, this is
617
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:36,638
one of these clubs
that is going to become
618
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,399
part of our weird history.
619
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,178
It was like a very anything
goes kind of place,
620
00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:42,289
and I love that about it.
621
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:45,109
All types, all
different flavors.
622
00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:47,157
It was just fun.
623
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:55,289
And that's this.
624
00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:58,929
In '86, I told my mom and dad,
I'm like, I want to play synths,
625
00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:02,791
I want to play keyboards, and I
want to sound like Skinny Puppy.
626
00:35:02,792 --> 00:35:03,999
I'll leave it, I'll leave it.
627
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Turn it down.
628
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,559
Let's get this going.
629
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,379
Don Nadler called me
in 2009 about Cevin Key
630
00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:14,309
from skinny puppy
wanting to do a DJ gig,
631
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:16,419
and I was like, hell,
yeah, jump on it.
632
00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:16,920
Do it.
633
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,420
Yes.
634
00:35:17,421 --> 00:35:18,479
Don got us in touch.
635
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,299
So he asked if I
had any synthesizers
636
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,479
I could bring to the club.
637
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,339
I think I brought my pro one
out that first... no, no, I
638
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:26,809
don't think we... because we
didn't know each other yet.
639
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:28,139
You did
bring the... no, it is.
640
00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:29,279
You brought the pro
one the first time.
641
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,988
The first time.
642
00:35:29,989 --> 00:35:32,299
Listen, I
signed your synthesizer
643
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,609
and played it in the set.
644
00:35:34,610 --> 00:35:37,789
My hero, my
keyboard hero is going
645
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:41,599
to play my keyboard, that I got
because my keyboard hero plays
646
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,779
that in his studio.
647
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:48,249
Somehow I end up back in
the coat closet with cKevin.
648
00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:50,269
I remember the first
time I brought you out
649
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:51,499
for that first gig.
650
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:53,589
I took you back into
one of the coat checks
651
00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:56,199
to show you this package I
got from this guy, Danny Blue
652
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,259
from Vancouver.
653
00:35:57,260 --> 00:36:00,389
And he showed some pictures of
you hanging out with Al Nelson.
654
00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:02,389
I think one of your first
girlfriends was there.
655
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:04,139
And one of the pictures,
and there was a...
656
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:07,121
Oh god, I remember this
now, you showing me that.
657
00:36:07,122 --> 00:36:08,829
Because what was really
weird is that guy
658
00:36:08,830 --> 00:36:10,629
you got the pictures
from was the guy that
659
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:14,949
formed the original underground
scene of late night clubs
660
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:15,925
and raves in Vancouver.
661
00:36:15,925 --> 00:36:16,448
Oh wow.
662
00:36:16,448 --> 00:36:17,240
I didn't know that.
663
00:36:17,241 --> 00:36:19,779
So I was how is it
you got these pictures.
664
00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:22,269
How does a guy in Dallas,
Texas, have pictures of me
665
00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:24,259
from before I was
even in Skinny Puppy.
666
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:25,429
This is crazy.
667
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:27,699
And that's when we kind of
like opened up a little bit
668
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:30,509
and started talking.
669
00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:32,949
We had him back three
or four other times.
670
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:36,310
That first time was amazing.
671
00:36:37,810 --> 00:36:39,309
He's gonna ask you a question.
672
00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:40,509
All right.
673
00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:42,800
Do you guys want one more?
674
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:46,469
Only at The Church.
675
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:49,799
I can't think of another
Dallas establishment
676
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,219
that could house that type of
energy or that type of event.
677
00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:55,769
It's just like, what's
the right size of room
678
00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:58,809
and the right ceiling
height, the right speakers,
679
00:36:58,810 --> 00:37:01,319
the right dance floor.
680
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,739
You had the bass,
you had all the bass.
681
00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:03,705
You had everything.
682
00:37:03,706 --> 00:37:07,169
One more time give
it up for cEvin Key.
683
00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:09,839
Telling 13 or 14-year-old me
that I'd be hanging out with
684
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,599
that dude, I wouldn't believe
you in a million years.
685
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,159
So really glad that we
brought him out in 2009,
686
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,379
and that we got to bond
over some silly pictures.
687
00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:22,910
And cKevin's just a
really sweet person.
688
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:28,119
Anytime you can lure a celebrity
689
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,709
like that in, your
street cred goes way up.
690
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:32,619
One day I'm sitting
up in the office
691
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:34,539
and I see a Black
Ferrari pull up
692
00:37:34,540 --> 00:37:38,989
with a very tall guy and
a very short blonde girl.
693
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:41,209
And I'm looking at the camera.
694
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:43,789
And I said, that looks like
Dennis Rodman and Madonna.
695
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:46,569
And they rang the
doorbell, and I let him in.
696
00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:48,699
And I stood over here.
697
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,859
And I said, what
can I do for you?
698
00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:54,399
And they said, well, we
heard this place is for sale.
699
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,509
I said, well, it's not
for sale, but it could be.
700
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:58,399
But we never did the
Lizard Lounge deal.
701
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,579
But there was a deal with
Dennis and Madonna and I.
702
00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:05,659
The Cure came in one
night, played pool.
703
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:07,909
Pet Shop Boys came in one
night after a concert,
704
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:10,449
signed a piece of Lizard Land
stationery with their logo.
705
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:12,159
Trent Reznor was one.
706
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,549
I don't remember
how we did that.
707
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:14,869
I think that would just happen.
708
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:16,339
And movies were filmed there.
709
00:38:16,340 --> 00:38:18,399
Keys to Tulsa was filmed there.
710
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,579
Queen of the South filmed there.
711
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:23,630
Walker Texas Ranger
filmed there.
712
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:29,549
I knew that Ozzfest
was coming to town,
713
00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:32,199
and Marilyn Manson
was on the tour.
714
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,529
And I knew that he
was engaged to Dita.
715
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:37,199
I knew that I could
book Dita that night,
716
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,749
and we would
probably set the trap
717
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:43,229
to lure Marilyn
Manson into the club.
718
00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:45,269
So we were there
on the dance floor
719
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:49,499
and someone came in from
the smoking porch and said,
720
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:50,709
tour bus has just pulled up.
721
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:52,899
And I'm like, OK, whatever.
722
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:53,820
But we can no
longer dance anymore
723
00:38:53,821 --> 00:38:54,999
because it's too crowded.
724
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,207
And then we all just start
looking up and we're like,
725
00:38:57,208 --> 00:39:00,359
oh, it's the Marilyn
Manson band, OK.
726
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,609
And that weird moment of like,
we want to dance to your song,
727
00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:04,360
but you're here.
728
00:39:04,361 --> 00:39:06,299
So we're just like, hi.
729
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:07,779
Back in the day,
people would say, well,
730
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:09,639
what are you guys
doing for Halloween?
731
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,179
I said, Halloween.
732
00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:13,599
Well, I mean, is it going
to be a Monster's Ball,
733
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,459
or is it going to be
this, could be that.
734
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:17,989
That's when I got the idea
for Halloween on Halloween.
735
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:19,819
We do Halloween on Halloween.
736
00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:21,999
And we only do it on
Halloween because every night
737
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,820
is Halloween.
738
00:39:22,821 --> 00:39:26,905
But Halloween is Halloween.
739
00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:29,499
Oh, hell yeah,
only on Halloween.
740
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:33,249
We were for many years, the
biggest, baddest Halloween
741
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:33,920
party.
742
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,888
We were always packed.
743
00:39:34,889 --> 00:39:37,429
There was always a line that
went down the street to come in,
744
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:38,907
always the best costumes.
745
00:39:38,908 --> 00:39:40,449
Doesn't matter
what day of the week
746
00:39:40,450 --> 00:39:42,579
it is, it's still
a Church Night.
747
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:46,899
But Halloween on Halloween,
one of the simplest things
748
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,309
we've ever done, and in my
mind, still the most clever
749
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:50,609
because it's Halloween.
750
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:51,860
You don't have to do anything.
751
00:40:03,245 --> 00:40:04,619
We would always
try to get people
752
00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:06,619
to dress to come to the
Church, and we're always
753
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:09,699
looking for ways to get them
to dress and participate.
754
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:12,359
And we thought it would be fun
to do a fetish ball as a one
755
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,209
off, one time dress up event.
756
00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:18,149
Little did I know that was like
the biggest attraction we'd ever
757
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:19,790
create.
758
00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:24,659
Hansel Von Quenzer
was the producer
759
00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:26,639
of the first fetish ball.
760
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,249
The first show
was real low tech.
761
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:32,789
The skits that I wrote
were pretty basic
762
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:34,559
for fetish BDSM stuff.
763
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,969
It mainly consisted of
whipping and flogging,
764
00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:39,622
putting people on the
leash, some toilet stuff.
765
00:40:39,623 --> 00:40:41,789
And then the other part was
me running around trying
766
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:42,760
to find the props.
767
00:40:42,761 --> 00:40:44,249
And then part
three was me trying
768
00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:46,949
to find models that were
willing to do this type of thing
769
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:47,548
on stage.
770
00:40:47,549 --> 00:40:48,840
How much did Hansel tell you?
771
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:52,869
I mean, not in a sexual way.
772
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,599
I just meant in a legal way.
773
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,380
Oh, I'm already on?
774
00:40:56,380 --> 00:40:56,880
Fantastic.
775
00:40:56,881 --> 00:40:58,179
You're going to cut
all this into it.
776
00:40:58,180 --> 00:40:59,249
Great, you're going to use this.
777
00:40:59,250 --> 00:40:59,750
Fantastic.
778
00:40:59,750 --> 00:41:00,750
Thanks.
779
00:41:00,751 --> 00:41:05,929
OK, so first fetish ball was
exciting and interesting.
780
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:07,389
So it's maybe 8:00.
781
00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:08,559
Doors open at 9:00.
782
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,599
And we have all the
models on stage.
783
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,709
And so we're rehearsing.
784
00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:15,099
And Hansel has some big
kind of skit planned out.
785
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,599
I'd showed up to
work on the ball,
786
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,849
and I was working on some
choreography and some props
787
00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:19,400
and stuff.
788
00:41:19,401 --> 00:41:21,109
We're kind of trying
to figure it out.
789
00:41:21,110 --> 00:41:23,799
So it's gotten very
complicated and everyone's
790
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:24,110
a little confused.
791
00:41:24,111 --> 00:41:25,629
We were about to open the doors.
792
00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:28,419
And then the doors
get busted open.
793
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:29,829
A detective showed up.
794
00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:31,099
And he says, I'm here.
795
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:34,899
I'm looking for
Hansel Von Quenzer.
796
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:35,342
I said, hold on.
797
00:41:35,343 --> 00:41:37,549
He said, hey, Dallas Police
Department is out here.
798
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:38,839
They want to talk to you.
799
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,650
Hansel goes.
800
00:41:39,651 --> 00:41:40,927
We're like, oh.
801
00:41:40,928 --> 00:41:42,219
And so everyone's just looking.
802
00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:44,799
And we're not
knowing what to do.
803
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,509
I'd done a lot of radio
interviews for the fetish ball,
804
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:50,299
and I guess somebody had tipped
off the police or something.
805
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,779
We were five minutes
from opening the doors
806
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:54,439
for the first
Dallas fetish ball,
807
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,834
and the producer of the event
had just been carted off.
808
00:41:56,835 --> 00:41:58,489
He straight up arrested me.
809
00:41:58,490 --> 00:42:01,159
And if I remember right,
Angela Ryan stepped up.
810
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,689
I just let us all
out in the fashion show
811
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:04,959
and kind of just took over.
812
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,679
I guess they thought if maybe
they arrested the guy that
813
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,499
was producing the ball
that they could maybe
814
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,260
stop the ball somehow.
815
00:42:11,261 --> 00:42:12,970
But the ball went on anyways.
816
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,919
I think that people
are maybe initially drawn
817
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,799
to it just because it's edgy.
818
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,939
Like anyone that's kind
of interested in pushing
819
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:38,569
the envelope or things
that are taboo like might
820
00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:41,149
start to discover this.
821
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:42,179
Pampa, Texas.
822
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:43,999
It's up by Amarillo.
823
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,499
I come here every year
just for the fetish ball.
824
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,499
5 and a half hours, six hours?
825
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:52,969
So.
826
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:55,882
When I started the
fetish ball in 99,
827
00:42:55,883 --> 00:42:57,299
for the first three
or four years,
828
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:58,919
it was predominantly
Church people.
829
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,859
But then it started
to attract people just
830
00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:02,939
from the BDSM fetish community.
831
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:05,259
And what was the motto that
we talked about earlier,
832
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:07,099
anybody can come.
833
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,469
We had an older guy named Craig.
834
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:12,439
And he used to come in
wearing like a banana hammock
835
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,689
and nipple clamps with
weights, and he used
836
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:16,499
to come to the fetish ball.
837
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:17,721
We had a guy who used
to wear a diaper.
838
00:43:17,722 --> 00:43:19,429
You want to wear a
diaper, wear a diaper.
839
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:21,989
You want to live out your
fetishes, you can do that here.
840
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:24,139
So what kind of robot are you?
841
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:26,419
I'm an assembly
line robot, actually.
842
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:27,619
This is a sex robot.
843
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:28,355
A sex robot?
844
00:43:28,356 --> 00:43:29,449
Oh, look at that.
845
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:31,739
Well, now, easy now.
846
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:33,469
That is the Peter.
847
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:36,372
That Peter gets a little red
when you rub it that way.
848
00:43:36,373 --> 00:43:37,789
Of course, when we first started
849
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:41,219
bringing in rubber doll
in the mid to late 2000,
850
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:45,899
she was really big because
she was very attractive.
851
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:47,239
She wore all latex,
and she would
852
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,339
shoot this confetti
popper that would
853
00:43:49,340 --> 00:43:51,550
be like the orgasm of the show.
854
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,739
I think that when someone
goes to a fetish ball like that,
855
00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:00,489
there's so many elements going.
856
00:44:00,490 --> 00:44:01,989
There's so much going on.
857
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:07,829
And then you add drinks to
that, and the parties going on.
858
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:10,402
And that's the success of it.
859
00:44:10,403 --> 00:44:11,819
We didn't want
860
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:14,579
people to just show up and
watch the fetish people perform
861
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:15,340
on stage.
862
00:44:15,341 --> 00:44:19,829
I wanted people to show up
and actually participate.
863
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:23,239
I am the mistress
of the wheel of pain.
864
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:24,339
It's a fun game.
865
00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:25,929
Who doesn't love games?
866
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:29,279
You come up on stage, and
you're up there under the lights
867
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,659
and everybody's looking at you.
868
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:34,629
And you spin the big wheel, and
ooh, what's it going to land on?
869
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:35,919
What's it going to be?
870
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,690
Ooh.
871
00:44:36,691 --> 00:44:38,229
We had the wheel of pain.
872
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:39,969
We had the flogging bench.
873
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:41,289
I set up a lube booth.
874
00:44:41,290 --> 00:44:42,749
And then once that
happened, people
875
00:44:42,750 --> 00:44:45,237
started coming up with all
sorts of other ideas like,
876
00:44:45,238 --> 00:44:47,279
you'd toss the ring and
it would land on a dildo,
877
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,839
and you would win a prize.
878
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,299
Every little nook and cranny
that you went into, there
879
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:52,599
was something happening.
880
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,659
You turn around,
like there's people
881
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:57,169
trampling some dude in a cage.
882
00:44:57,170 --> 00:45:00,099
Turn around over here,
someone's getting tied up.
883
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:01,819
There's just people
dancing everywhere.
884
00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:04,220
I mean, it was the best
party I'd ever been to.
885
00:45:26,392 --> 00:45:30,319
Under my skin
886
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,739
Under my skin
887
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:35,469
Under my skin
888
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:37,574
Under my skin
889
00:45:37,575 --> 00:45:38,939
Under my skin
890
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:40,329
I want to know where we're going
891
00:45:40,330 --> 00:45:41,859
I want to know where you've been
892
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:45,649
You want to know what it
takes to get under my skin
893
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:47,169
I want to know where we're going
894
00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:48,769
I want to know where you've been
895
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:52,350
You want to know what it
takes to get under my skin
896
00:45:57,650 --> 00:46:02,509
S&M isn't necessarily
just about pain.
897
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:07,109
Pain is just one little
stop on that spectrum.
898
00:46:07,110 --> 00:46:08,729
There's bondage.
899
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:10,909
There's sensory play.
900
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:15,769
S&M is very much a form of
therapy for a lot of people.
901
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:16,879
For me, it's not sexual.
902
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,119
And it is to a lot of people.
903
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,799
And I understand that.
904
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,299
And I explain to them whenever
I first start playing,
905
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:22,819
it's not going to be that way.
906
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:24,702
Safe, sane and consensual.
907
00:46:24,703 --> 00:46:26,869
And if someone doesn't want
to play, you don't play.
908
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:30,979
A client of mine, he was a
large, muscular, like football
909
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:32,729
player type build.
910
00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:35,599
And I dressed him up
like a little schoolgirl.
911
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,509
And I put on my little
latex nun outfit
912
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:41,339
with my giant flaming
purple strap on,
913
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:43,309
and I tied him to
the stripper pole.
914
00:46:43,310 --> 00:46:45,679
And I made him suck my cock.
915
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,959
And I probably threw
him down on the floor
916
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,879
and humped his little ass too,
like humped him like a bitch
917
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,489
because he was a bitch.
918
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:59,276
So I made him my bitch right
there in front of everyone.
919
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:11,859
It was 2006, and I went on the
very first Girls of the Church
920
00:47:11,860 --> 00:47:13,099
Calendar Night.
921
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:17,529
Every single person was
like their own runway.
922
00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:22,455
It was just like an
eye gasm of life.
923
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,799
The first opportunity
I had to actually model
924
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,230
was at The Church.
925
00:47:30,231 --> 00:47:33,879
One of my friends, she just
kind of came up to me one night,
926
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,409
and I should introduce
you to somebody.
927
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:37,549
Do you know Hansel?
928
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:38,559
And I'm like, no.
929
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,929
She led me over to
him and introduced me.
930
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:43,449
And she was like, you
need to put him in a show.
931
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:46,973
He told me to get on his
site, make a profile.
932
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:55,900
I think we actually did a
photoshoot at Hot Topic.
933
00:47:59,150 --> 00:48:01,649
Back then everybody used to
hang out in the girls' bathroom.
934
00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:03,357
You met everybody in
the girls' bathroom.
935
00:48:03,358 --> 00:48:04,469
Hansel came in there.
936
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:07,259
I guess he was looking for
me and he asked about, Hey,
937
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:09,659
do you want to do fetish ball?
938
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:12,630
And it just felt I
was just like, yes.
939
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,195
Walking across the stage for
the first time is amazing.
940
00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:30,439
When it came down for my walk
and hearing them, it was like,
941
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,948
this is where I belong.
942
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:40,229
Will, he was the photographer of
The Church for years and years.
943
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:43,639
And he said, hey, you need to
enter the Girls Church audition
944
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,280
thing.
945
00:48:44,281 --> 00:48:46,419
I'm like, what are you
talking about, it's girls.
946
00:48:46,420 --> 00:48:47,609
I'm not going to do that.
947
00:48:47,610 --> 00:48:48,262
I'm a boy.
948
00:48:48,262 --> 00:48:49,220
I'm not going to do it.
949
00:48:49,221 --> 00:48:51,409
And he's like,
no, there's people
950
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:53,569
who would love for
you to be involved.
951
00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:54,959
And they think you should.
952
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,809
You represent the church.
953
00:48:56,810 --> 00:49:00,869
I really like that he
didn't fit into one category.
954
00:49:00,870 --> 00:49:03,709
And to say Girls of
The Church back then
955
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:07,159
and JBabe being a part
of it was groundbreaking.
956
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,319
They did choose me because
I do represent The Church.
957
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,979
And I do know that
there were people
958
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:19,189
who was upset I was a part of it
because I don't have a vagina.
959
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:23,459
But I don't think that
is a problem at all.
960
00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:30,499
The calendar represents
the faces who are there.
961
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:35,799
Well, when we first
began doing Church events,
962
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,249
I wanted to come up
with a positioning line
963
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:42,669
to let people know
a few words that
964
00:49:42,670 --> 00:49:45,609
sort of describes who we are.
965
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:49,460
And the words we chose were
enter without prejudice.
966
00:49:58,180 --> 00:50:01,809
Without prejudice
means coming as you are
967
00:50:01,810 --> 00:50:05,589
and not giving a fuck
about anybody else.
968
00:50:05,590 --> 00:50:07,249
Once you step
through these doors,
969
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:10,816
you cannot come in here and be
awful to people for the things
970
00:50:10,817 --> 00:50:13,149
that they like or the way
that they look or the way that
971
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:15,689
they're dancing or
anything like that.
972
00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:18,139
Try to understand where
they're coming from,
973
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:22,449
maybe understand what they're
going through in life.
974
00:50:22,450 --> 00:50:24,437
Come in without any
preconceived ideas
975
00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:25,729
about what you're going to see.
976
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:27,799
Don't be judgmental
about anybody.
977
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,567
Nobody's going to be
judgmental about you.
978
00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:31,359
Having that as a slogan
979
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,699
is sort of a
reinforcement of the fact
980
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:35,959
that you're allowed to come
here and be who you want to be,
981
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,479
not how you have
to pretend to be
982
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,559
when you're around your family.
983
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,999
In my 9:00 to 5:00, I
can't dress the way I do.
984
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,849
The real me comes
out at The Church.
985
00:50:45,850 --> 00:50:48,729
Enter that prejudice is
exactly what it sounds like.
986
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:52,989
If you want to be prejudiced
towards somebody dressing up
987
00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:56,259
or the bondage or
everything that everybody
988
00:50:56,260 --> 00:51:01,439
does in this scene, then
you're don't need to be here.
989
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,940
Basically.
990
00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:02,440
Yeah.
991
00:51:02,441 --> 00:51:07,266
Get the fuck out but in
a nice way, with a smile.
992
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:24,289
The vampire
aesthetic and concept
993
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:27,259
before it became a goth
thing was about our inability
994
00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:31,429
to understand death and
change and transformation.
995
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:34,309
Being a trans woman who
identifies with the vamp
996
00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:36,179
aesthetic and like
I'm transitioning,
997
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:39,499
I'm finding something new, I'm
becoming something different,
998
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,819
it very much blended
into who I was.
999
00:51:42,820 --> 00:51:46,449
I think I must have first found
the goth culture in probably
1000
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:47,534
1997.
1001
00:51:47,535 --> 00:51:48,909
It was an interesting
year for me
1002
00:51:48,910 --> 00:51:50,356
because my father
had passed away.
1003
00:51:50,357 --> 00:51:51,939
And I had a different
group of friends
1004
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:53,949
that were the Goth,
spooky kind, and they
1005
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:57,399
were able to help me understand
that death is a part of life,
1006
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,925
and you don't have to
be alone in that moment.
1007
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:06,139
One of the things
that I had to learn
1008
00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:08,809
when I was doing my therapy
when I started transition
1009
00:52:08,810 --> 00:52:11,599
was my therapist said,
make a list of things
1010
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,579
that you want for
yourself and you want
1011
00:52:13,580 --> 00:52:16,259
in a partner, essentially
a path for me.
1012
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:19,359
And that path involves helping
others because others are there
1013
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:19,860
for me.
1014
00:52:19,861 --> 00:52:21,899
I want to pay it forward.
1015
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:22,130
And you roast the seeds.
1016
00:52:22,131 --> 00:52:25,099
Well, I've been
eating the pumpkin.
1017
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:28,189
You can cook these.
1018
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:32,239
So the Dance Vampire Court is
the only vampire court nonprofit
1019
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,149
in the country, and we
run great charity events
1020
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:36,889
and be a source
for the community
1021
00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:41,659
to be able to show we're here,
we're doing good for others.
1022
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:44,149
We all started at The Church
with the Bleeding Hearts Ball
1023
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:47,249
so many years ago.
1024
00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:49,669
The first time I went
authentically as Danielle
1025
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:52,659
to The Church, it
was kind of a blur.
1026
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:54,709
It was kind of anxiety riddled.
1027
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:57,389
I'm in there touching my
makeup in the women's restroom.
1028
00:52:57,390 --> 00:52:59,359
There was a girl on a
bench there complaining
1029
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,799
about her boyfriend,
and we were just
1030
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,789
like giving each other advice
and gassing each other up,
1031
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:04,169
going, oh, you look amazing.
1032
00:53:04,170 --> 00:53:07,561
This is a place where you
can relax, vent, touch up
1033
00:53:07,562 --> 00:53:09,769
your makeup, and always get
good, healthy compliments
1034
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:10,530
from other women.
1035
00:53:10,531 --> 00:53:14,309
And that is something that was
very reaffirming gender-wise,
1036
00:53:14,310 --> 00:53:16,870
which wasn't taken in a bad way.
1037
00:53:20,380 --> 00:53:22,159
When your slogan is
end without prejudice,
1038
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,709
it makes it feel like you're
able to be yourself there.
1039
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:27,429
And that was what I needed
at a point in my life.
1040
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:29,739
And moving forward
with my vampire court,
1041
00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:30,996
we're looking for a new venue.
1042
00:53:30,997 --> 00:53:33,579
We're finding new venues like
we can do a Bleeding Hearts Ball
1043
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:35,299
here, but it's not The Church.
1044
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:39,339
And there's just... there's
so much of the ambience
1045
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:41,481
of the location that
we don't recognize
1046
00:53:41,482 --> 00:53:43,642
that we miss until it's gone.
1047
00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:56,969
'98, my friend Chris Metz came
in and Chris Metz looked like
1048
00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:58,989
the villain from The Crow.
1049
00:53:58,990 --> 00:54:01,569
The long flowing black hair.
1050
00:54:01,570 --> 00:54:02,999
Beautiful, dude.
1051
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,579
One night, Chris walks into the
club holding a brown paper bag.
1052
00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:08,606
He had shaved his head.
1053
00:54:08,607 --> 00:54:10,439
He's like, hey, man, I
want you to have this
1054
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,856
because I don't
need this anymore.
1055
00:54:11,857 --> 00:54:12,976
I'm like, OK.
1056
00:54:12,977 --> 00:54:14,559
And I didn't know
what was in the bag.
1057
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,229
I opened up the bag.
1058
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:20,129
The rarest, most hard to find
Sisters of Mercy merchandise,
1059
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:24,234
like picture disks on
vinyl, CD box sets.
1060
00:54:24,235 --> 00:54:26,859
And I'm like, dude, this is like
your prized possessions, dude.
1061
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:27,879
I can't take this from you.
1062
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,690
This is your stuff.
1063
00:54:28,691 --> 00:54:30,789
I don't want... I
can't take this.
1064
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:32,139
Dude, you have to take it.
1065
00:54:32,140 --> 00:54:34,199
I don't need it anymore.
1066
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,479
So that night he comes in and
hangs out with me in the booth.
1067
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,259
I had met this girl
before he walked in.
1068
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:41,519
Her name was Chris.
1069
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,909
I introduced her to Chris,
and they started talking.
1070
00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:49,799
I get home, I do my
nightly ritual, go to bed.
1071
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,339
I get woken up a
couple hours later.
1072
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:53,699
It's the girl Chris.
1073
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,829
Joe, Chris is dead.
1074
00:54:56,830 --> 00:54:57,250
And I'm like, what the fuck?
1075
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:57,938
What?
1076
00:54:57,939 --> 00:54:59,229
What do you mean Chris is dead?
1077
00:54:59,230 --> 00:55:02,219
She goes, his mom called me
because she found my phone
1078
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:03,959
number in his jacket.
1079
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,139
She walked in the room,
and he shot himself.
1080
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:08,870
And I was like, what the fuck?
1081
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,159
Sorry.
1082
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,389
I don't think goth
has ever driven anyone
1083
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:22,339
to kill themselves.
1084
00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:25,999
But I think that people
with suicidal ideation
1085
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,099
might very well seek out goth.
1086
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:31,229
So I think that's where
the crossroads are.
1087
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:34,819
I don't think the crossroads
are someone who's bright
1088
00:55:34,820 --> 00:55:37,399
and chipper suddenly
goes to a goth club
1089
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,909
and starts wearing
black lipstick
1090
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:41,189
and then suddenly is suicidal.
1091
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:42,709
I just don't think that happens.
1092
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:46,129
When I was 17 years
old, living in a town
1093
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:48,329
where people told
me on a daily basis,
1094
00:55:48,330 --> 00:55:52,909
you should kill yourself,
do this town a favor
1095
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:54,799
and kill yourself.
1096
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,839
Do the school a favor
and kill yourself.
1097
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,289
Do your family a favor
and kill yourself.
1098
00:56:00,290 --> 00:56:04,199
And not ever having met anyone
from outside of that town,
1099
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,119
I just assumed that
everyone else in the world
1100
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,619
was like the people in my town.
1101
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:15,919
And subsequently I felt that I
was like they said, a weirdo,
1102
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,839
and I didn't deserve to live.
1103
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,449
People who are depressed
who find the goth scene,
1104
00:56:22,450 --> 00:56:24,879
if their experience
is anything like mine,
1105
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,819
where you spend a lot of
your time dancing in a club,
1106
00:56:27,820 --> 00:56:31,809
feeling really free
to express yourself,
1107
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:34,349
being surrounded by people
who are also really creative
1108
00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:37,229
and also dressed
really wildly, who
1109
00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:39,599
are open minded and
accept you the way
1110
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,939
that you are will
more likely than not,
1111
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:47,799
I think, put aside the
thoughts of suicide,
1112
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,529
realizing that there are
good people in this world
1113
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:51,719
and there is fun to
be had in this world
1114
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,519
and there is beauty to be found.
1115
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,359
And if there's one thing that
I have learned from performing
1116
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,299
here year after year
after year, if there's
1117
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:05,699
one thing I've come to expect
and to always, always feel
1118
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:11,369
is the incredible sense of
understanding and togetherness
1119
00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:14,799
that this community
has and acceptance.
1120
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,389
So New Year's Eve, I'm there,
and DJing in the DJ booth,
1121
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:23,699
and I hear some buzzing over
here with my friends talking.
1122
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:26,739
And I heard my friend
Jasper's name get brought up.
1123
00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:29,379
And I'm like, hey,
where is that fool, man?
1124
00:57:29,380 --> 00:57:31,379
He'd be the first person
to come up here and try
1125
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:32,338
to kiss me at midnight.
1126
00:57:32,339 --> 00:57:33,994
Where is where's Jasper at?
1127
00:57:33,995 --> 00:57:35,639
Oh, you haven't heard.
1128
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,299
And I'm like, what?
1129
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:40,799
And it's like, he died.
1130
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,800
He ODed.
1131
00:57:41,801 --> 00:57:43,170
And I'm like, what?
1132
00:57:48,222 --> 00:57:49,929
Anybody that knew Jasper just
1133
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:55,809
knew he was one of the coolest
people you'd ever want to know.
1134
00:57:55,810 --> 00:57:58,639
He knew everything
about alternative music.
1135
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,699
He was a musician himself.
1136
00:58:01,700 --> 00:58:02,980
He was just a beautiful person.
1137
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,239
After Jasper had passed away.
1138
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,139
I kind of learned the
phrasing of these.
1139
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:14,859
Did you hear about, or have
you heard about, or whatever,
1140
00:58:14,860 --> 00:58:17,619
that usually meant did you
hear that so-and-so died.
1141
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:20,899
After a lot of my friends
died, I said, fuck this,
1142
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:22,399
I don't want to
lose more people.
1143
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,599
I don't want to be close to
anybody because everybody dies,
1144
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,799
and I can't handle it.
1145
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,549
And I'm having a hard
time dealing with it.
1146
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:34,119
It's hard going to a club
trying to have a party when
1147
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,099
the people you used to party
with at that same club are gone.
1148
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:40,719
Everybody in this picture is
dead except for me and this guy
1149
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,639
here with the skull mask.
1150
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,419
This is my friend Brad,
who died of cancer.
1151
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:50,839
And these two took their
own lives separately,
1152
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,469
different times, years apart.
1153
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:58,339
I could picture my friends
where they would be hanging out.
1154
00:58:58,340 --> 00:59:02,119
And every once in
a while, there'll
1155
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,749
be some guy with a leather
jacket on and bleach blonde hair
1156
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:07,479
walk by, and I
think it's Jasper.
1157
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,650
Like, boom, that's Jasper.
1158
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:03,609
When you start talking
about supernatural stuff,
1159
01:00:03,610 --> 01:00:06,539
we've had countless
film crews of people
1160
01:00:06,540 --> 01:00:09,179
that come to measure
ghost sightings that
1161
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:11,099
have come through the building.
1162
01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:14,669
Big John, the head
of security there
1163
01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:19,679
claims to have seen the
spirit on certain nights.
1164
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,429
I didn't actually take it.
1165
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:23,639
One of my staff members took it.
1166
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,099
He just took the picture
because of how the lights
1167
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:28,349
were shining through the smoke.
1168
01:00:28,350 --> 01:00:32,579
And then he looked at the
picture after he took it.
1169
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:35,099
And that's when
he saw that image.
1170
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:36,485
And he kind of freaked out.
1171
01:00:45,575 --> 01:00:46,949
It was at the end of the night.
1172
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:48,109
We were all outside.
1173
01:00:48,110 --> 01:00:50,249
And me and Joe were
standing there talking.
1174
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:52,679
Club closes, Big John leaves.
1175
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,460
He's the last guy.
1176
01:00:53,461 --> 01:00:55,439
He had the keys,
locked everything up.
1177
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,509
And Clint and I are talking
and all of a sudden, we hear.
1178
01:00:59,510 --> 01:01:03,709
And we were like, did we lock
somebody in the building?
1179
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:08,299
And we're like, huh?
1180
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:09,899
OK, second time.
1181
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:11,209
And we're like.
1182
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:12,839
He gets on the
phone, hey, Big John,
1183
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,939
can you come back
here with the keys?
1184
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:14,999
We lock somebody
in the building,
1185
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,000
I hear somebody banging.
1186
01:01:16,001 --> 01:01:17,291
And it was very, very loud.
1187
01:01:17,292 --> 01:01:18,749
It wasn't like just
a little knock.
1188
01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:21,269
It was straight up the
whole door was shaking.
1189
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:23,719
Someone was definitely
inside a building.
1190
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,152
Joe didn't want to go in.
1191
01:01:25,153 --> 01:01:26,819
He was like, no, I'm
not going in there.
1192
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:28,619
I'm like, I'm
going to step outside.
1193
01:01:28,620 --> 01:01:29,849
I'll catch anybody
if they run out.
1194
01:01:29,850 --> 01:01:31,549
And me and John
searched the building.
1195
01:01:31,550 --> 01:01:32,999
And we shouted out.
1196
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,249
We searched every corner
upstairs, offices,
1197
01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:39,459
dressing room, and literally
did not find anybody in there.
1198
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:04,389
This was a stair line.
1199
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:07,424
So at this level was
the DJ booth right here.
1200
01:02:07,425 --> 01:02:08,539
You see this black line.
1201
01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:12,499
So coming out to here, this
was the staircase going up.
1202
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:13,579
And so the DJ
booth is over here.
1203
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:14,919
So I would be DJing.
1204
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,169
And out of the corner of
my eye, I would see a kid.
1205
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:21,289
And I remember the
like a white t-shirt.
1206
01:02:21,290 --> 01:02:22,200
I couldn't see hair.
1207
01:02:22,201 --> 01:02:25,899
I didn't see the hair color,
but blue jeans, like big baggy
1208
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:27,769
jeans, run up the stairs.
1209
01:02:27,770 --> 01:02:29,649
And when he got to
this section here
1210
01:02:29,650 --> 01:02:31,869
would trip and then
continue running
1211
01:02:31,870 --> 01:02:33,939
and disappear halfway
up the staircase.
1212
01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:36,369
Across the way, I would
see somebody standing
1213
01:02:36,370 --> 01:02:40,299
in front of the doorway going
up into the dressing room,
1214
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:44,419
and I would see a figure with
long gray or blonde hair,
1215
01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:46,689
just all in black
standing up there.
1216
01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:48,969
And nobody would be there.
1217
01:02:48,970 --> 01:02:55,449
One of the popular ghost stories
here was an old guy in a top hat
1218
01:02:55,450 --> 01:02:57,819
and a suit sitting at a table.
1219
01:02:57,820 --> 01:03:01,299
And he was always
there writing poetry.
1220
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:03,707
But that was really a
guy named Christopher.
1221
01:03:03,708 --> 01:03:05,249
I've never seen
a ghost in my life.
1222
01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:06,791
I mean, my theory
on that is if there
1223
01:03:06,792 --> 01:03:09,889
is another world that
we're not part of,
1224
01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:12,900
it's like it's on a
different radio frequency.
1225
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,895
And there are those
of us that are not.
1226
01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:27,199
I feel that maybe
it's a residual haunting there.
1227
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,249
Like when you listen to
a tape, a cassette tape,
1228
01:03:29,250 --> 01:03:31,429
if you recorded something
that had a heavy bass tone
1229
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:34,769
or like a kick drum, that was
really hard in this one point,
1230
01:03:34,770 --> 01:03:37,549
and then you record over
that, you'll get a drop out
1231
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:39,910
of that kick drum again.
1232
01:03:43,930 --> 01:03:46,249
I kind think that might
be it with the building.
1233
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:48,589
Like maybe the way
that the couches were,
1234
01:03:48,590 --> 01:03:51,759
maybe the material of the
wallpaper, maybe the bricks
1235
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,269
and the wood itself
captured some...
1236
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:58,719
and the kid falling, that
might have been his like...
1237
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,849
one of his biggest embarrassing
moments of his life.
1238
01:04:01,850 --> 01:04:03,729
And maybe that
registered like a kick
1239
01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:07,305
drum on the magnetic
field of the club.
1240
01:04:11,295 --> 01:04:13,669
There are so many people
through, in and out those doors.
1241
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:17,809
And so many people with
heightened emotional responses
1242
01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:19,279
to things going on.
1243
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,335
All those kind of
things are boom.
1244
01:04:23,570 --> 01:04:24,140
Yeah.
1245
01:04:24,140 --> 01:04:24,690
Yeah.
1246
01:04:24,691 --> 01:04:26,981
You just keep feeding it and
feeding it and feeding it.
1247
01:04:26,982 --> 01:04:28,759
It's like a
rechargeable battery.
1248
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,269
And one night I'm
in the hallway here.
1249
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:34,339
This used to be just a
hallway with double doors
1250
01:04:34,340 --> 01:04:37,489
that swung into this
whole big area back here.
1251
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:39,330
So I'm here talking to...
1252
01:04:48,204 --> 01:04:49,769
What's going on?
1253
01:04:49,770 --> 01:04:51,336
I heard something.
1254
01:04:51,337 --> 01:04:52,419
What was that?
1255
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:53,689
I don't know.
1256
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:55,489
It sounded like it
was right there.
1257
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:57,439
I don't see anybody or anything.
1258
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,499
I hear footsteps.
1259
01:04:58,500 --> 01:04:59,250
That's so weird.
1260
01:04:59,251 --> 01:05:01,979
There's nothing you can
hear footsteps in here.
1261
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:03,199
OK.
1262
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,634
All right.
1263
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:12,759
So several years
ago, I met the club
1264
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,541
and I had a guest DJ spinning.
1265
01:05:14,542 --> 01:05:16,749
And I walked outside to get
some fresh air because it
1266
01:05:16,750 --> 01:05:17,809
gets stuffy in there.
1267
01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:19,159
You get the fog machine going.
1268
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,939
And so I walked
outside, but there's
1269
01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:26,649
this guy, this like drunk
guy, didn't look Goth at all.
1270
01:05:26,650 --> 01:05:29,599
And he says, Hey, DJ Virus.
1271
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:30,153
Hey, man.
1272
01:05:30,154 --> 01:05:31,819
And he comes and puts
his arm around me.
1273
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:32,989
And I'm like, what's up?
1274
01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:35,252
And he's like, I just
bought this place, man.
1275
01:05:35,253 --> 01:05:36,669
And I got a question,
what are you
1276
01:05:36,670 --> 01:05:40,909
going to do when I
bulldoze your club?
1277
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:43,699
And I'm like, who the
fuck are you, dude?
1278
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:44,550
Don't be an asshole.
1279
01:05:44,551 --> 01:05:45,869
I don't fucking know you.
1280
01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:46,413
What?
1281
01:05:46,414 --> 01:05:48,799
Who the fuck... get
in your fucking limo.
1282
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,419
Take your fucking
hooker off with you.
1283
01:05:50,420 --> 01:05:51,150
I yelled at him.
1284
01:05:51,151 --> 01:05:52,969
He got in his limo and took off.
1285
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:56,639
And Don called me up and said,
hey, what did this guy say?
1286
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:57,640
What'd he you look like?
1287
01:05:57,641 --> 01:05:59,259
And I described him to him.
1288
01:05:59,260 --> 01:06:03,419
And he's like, OK, so yeah, this
guy did... he did buy the club,
1289
01:06:03,420 --> 01:06:04,969
but we're not going anywhere.
1290
01:06:04,970 --> 01:06:08,629
We're not going anywhere.
1291
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:11,689
He would come in unannounced
in the middle of the day
1292
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:16,159
with investors trying to sell
the building, which is not cool.
1293
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,269
First of all, it's a
violation of our lease.
1294
01:06:18,270 --> 01:06:19,349
It's a four wall lease.
1295
01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:22,819
We're responsible for everything
from the roof to the foundation.
1296
01:06:22,820 --> 01:06:24,859
I couldn't buy the
Lizard Lounge property.
1297
01:06:24,860 --> 01:06:27,499
The only defense
posture I could take
1298
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:32,099
was to buy the property adjacent
and stop any development.
1299
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:34,539
But I knew I couldn't
stop it forever.
1300
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:37,279
I just knew I
could slow it down.
1301
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,109
When Westdale
bought the building,
1302
01:06:39,110 --> 01:06:41,099
we were afraid they
wouldn't work with us.
1303
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:41,670
But they did.
1304
01:06:41,671 --> 01:06:43,752
But they said, we're
building a high rise for Uber
1305
01:06:43,753 --> 01:06:46,609
across the street, and we're
going to take your parking lots.
1306
01:06:46,610 --> 01:06:48,409
And they were going
to use the parking
1307
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:52,399
lots as staging for the
construction of the high rise.
1308
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,379
I agreed to it because I didn't
want to lose Lizard Lounge,
1309
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:57,840
but I knew at that point
our days were numbered.
1310
01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:05,229
I was in the office and I got a
phone call from Onisha Rigney.
1311
01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:06,929
She was the original
landlord's wife.
1312
01:07:06,930 --> 01:07:10,259
She was the designer who did
the grand crystal palace dinner
1313
01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:10,812
theater.
1314
01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:12,269
She called me and
said, Don, I need
1315
01:07:12,270 --> 01:07:13,436
to come get that chandelier.
1316
01:07:13,437 --> 01:07:16,629
I'm going to sell it and leave
the money to my godchild.
1317
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:18,569
I said, you can have
it, but I need time
1318
01:07:18,570 --> 01:07:22,199
to replace it because I
had to scramble to explain
1319
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,469
to people why someone's
ripping the heart and soul out
1320
01:07:25,470 --> 01:07:26,801
of our nightclub.
1321
01:07:26,802 --> 01:07:28,259
The one thing around
here you could
1322
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:30,429
do... you could break a chair.
1323
01:07:30,430 --> 01:07:32,699
You could break a window.
1324
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:32,940
Railing.
1325
01:07:32,941 --> 01:07:34,509
You could break a rail.
1326
01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:36,519
And I'm probably just
going to ask you to leave.
1327
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,839
But the chandelier
was a touchy subject.
1328
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:40,650
Yes.
1329
01:07:40,651 --> 01:07:43,469
That's the only thing that's
remained constant in the club
1330
01:07:43,470 --> 01:07:45,729
and the pinnacle
of the club itself.
1331
01:07:45,730 --> 01:07:48,879
Like if the club was a church,
that would sort of in a way,
1332
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,979
be the altar because everybody
dances under that chandelier.
1333
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:56,949
The chandelier was somewhat
of the mascot of The Church.
1334
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:59,679
Even though it didn't run
around and pump people up,
1335
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,799
it sure did reflect
the lights nicely.
1336
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,399
Who else can say that they were
1337
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,147
clubbing underneath
that kind of opulence?
1338
01:08:10,148 --> 01:08:12,689
The person they get married
to, like they come in the early
1339
01:08:12,690 --> 01:08:14,799
90s and they meet the
person for the first time,
1340
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,309
the chandelier was there.
1341
01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:18,279
I didn't replace it.
1342
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,489
I decided it can't be replaced.
1343
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:23,615
We just decided we're
going to let it go.
1344
01:08:28,814 --> 01:08:33,549
Yeah, I think it was very
emotional when they took it out.
1345
01:08:33,550 --> 01:08:35,528
It was gut wrenching for us.
1346
01:08:35,529 --> 01:08:38,139
And we were determined
to get it back.
1347
01:08:38,140 --> 01:08:40,869
One way or another we
were going to get it back.
1348
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:43,839
My plan was I was going to
try to buy it at auction.
1349
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,799
Don had put out a
fundraiser type event
1350
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,409
to raise money to buy
back the chandelier.
1351
01:08:50,410 --> 01:08:54,728
What other club has that type
of commitment from their patrons
1352
01:08:54,729 --> 01:08:58,489
to spend their own hard earned
money, not just only visit it,
1353
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:59,749
but to preserve it?
1354
01:08:59,750 --> 01:09:01,099
I finally made a deal.
1355
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:03,249
We bought the
chandelier for $7,000.
1356
01:09:03,250 --> 01:09:05,799
And we rehung it.
1357
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,459
We had all the spotlights down
on it, shining different colors,
1358
01:09:09,460 --> 01:09:10,829
so that it would glisten.
1359
01:09:10,830 --> 01:09:12,108
It was just beautiful.
1360
01:09:12,109 --> 01:09:13,759
And it was very emotional.
1361
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,289
It was a proud moment that the
scene came together like that.
1362
01:09:17,290 --> 01:09:19,579
And then it was a big
dance party afterwards.
1363
01:09:19,580 --> 01:09:24,099
And looking back on it, it hurts
now knowing that everything
1364
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:27,237
was gone right after that.
1365
01:09:27,238 --> 01:09:28,679
President Donald Trump
1366
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,344
declared a national emergency.
1367
01:09:30,345 --> 01:09:32,608
And today Governor Gregg Abbott
1368
01:09:32,609 --> 01:09:34,954
declared a state of
disaster in Texas.
1369
01:09:34,955 --> 01:09:36,329
Parts of North Texas are seeing
1370
01:09:36,330 --> 01:09:38,719
an increase in positive cases.
1371
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,919
Dallas County has more cases
than anywhere else in the state.
1372
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,669
A heightened sense of urgency.
1373
01:09:43,670 --> 01:09:45,394
Closures of large events.
1374
01:09:45,395 --> 01:09:47,224
No visitors allowed.
1375
01:09:47,225 --> 01:09:49,169
The number of cases should not
1376
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:53,969
spike if people don't
gather in huge groups.
1377
01:09:53,970 --> 01:09:57,239
That Sunday before I was
my last show at The Church
1378
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,499
and I just played my heart
out, had fun, went out
1379
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:02,739
to eat with friends
like I always did,
1380
01:10:02,740 --> 01:10:05,309
and came home not realizing
that was the last time
1381
01:10:05,310 --> 01:10:07,799
I was going to be
in that building.
1382
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,349
I knew months before
the pandemic hit the US,
1383
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:13,679
I had a bad feeling
because I watched
1384
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:14,979
what was happening in Europe.
1385
01:10:14,980 --> 01:10:17,399
We all saw what happened.
1386
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,781
In March, we got the shutdown
order from the governor.
1387
01:10:21,782 --> 01:10:24,239
They kept sending
out the shutdown, the lockdown
1388
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,799
for longer.
1389
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:33,800
And around April or May,
I see a post on Facebook.
1390
01:10:38,410 --> 01:10:40,379
And I called Don right away.
1391
01:10:40,380 --> 01:10:41,330
I'm like, Don, what's going on?
1392
01:10:41,331 --> 01:10:43,125
He's like, yeah, we're
having to shut down.
1393
01:11:06,730 --> 01:11:10,419
I remember feeling
like it's not even real.
1394
01:11:10,420 --> 01:11:14,869
Like if The Church ends and
if that space shuts down,
1395
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:20,779
I mean it's like truly the
end of something monumental.
1396
01:11:20,780 --> 01:11:24,129
I mean, how does that end?
1397
01:11:24,130 --> 01:11:25,819
It was during lockdown in COVID.
1398
01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:29,499
So I got out my phone and I
found the Spotify playlist
1399
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:30,589
that Joe Virus did.
1400
01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:34,159
And I just danced in my
backyard on the patio,
1401
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,099
smoking my clove in
memoriam of The Church.
1402
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:39,110
And it hurt.
1403
01:11:42,780 --> 01:11:46,199
I basically grieved
like I had lost somebody.
1404
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,639
It was a death to me.
1405
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,329
The church was who I was.
1406
01:11:49,330 --> 01:11:52,489
It was created, who I became.
1407
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:54,429
It was my home.
1408
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:56,199
It was the only
place I felt safe.
1409
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:01,109
And I definitely feel
like I've lost something
1410
01:12:01,110 --> 01:12:03,565
that was very important to me.
1411
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:19,999
We cleaned the club out.
1412
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,969
And then we decided that
we would give everybody
1413
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:25,109
an opportunity to come back in.
1414
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:28,309
And I think it was really
important for The Church
1415
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:31,131
community to have closure.
1416
01:12:31,132 --> 01:12:32,839
And there was a line of people
1417
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,099
all the way around the building,
outside down the street.
1418
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:39,179
People wanted to go in and
pay their last respects.
1419
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:41,180
And that was the last
time I went there.
1420
01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:48,799
We did that last walkthrough.
1421
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:49,490
That was like a viewing.
1422
01:12:49,491 --> 01:12:51,849
It was like a viewing at
a funeral allowing people
1423
01:12:51,850 --> 01:12:52,580
to go in.
1424
01:12:52,581 --> 01:12:55,209
And I just stayed
in the dressing room
1425
01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:58,119
and wrote my name on a
wall that was eventually
1426
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,572
going to be torn down and just
cried until they forced me out
1427
01:13:02,573 --> 01:13:04,413
of the building.
1428
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:12,409
I mean, there will be
people 40 years from now
1429
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:19,429
when you talk to them,
that'll remember being there.
1430
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:21,470
I didn't think it would
affect me, that and...
1431
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:43,709
I've sort of made peace
with the emotional part
1432
01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:46,499
and the emotional
component of this building.
1433
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:47,699
I've let it go.
1434
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:50,369
At the end of the day for me,
I have so many great memories
1435
01:13:50,370 --> 01:13:53,139
here, and that's
what I carry forward.
1436
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:56,399
I don't dwell on what I lost.
1437
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,612
I like to think
back on what we had
1438
01:14:00,613 --> 01:14:02,293
and all the great
things we did here.
1439
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:09,199
We immediately went
out and started
1440
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,769
looking for a new location.
1441
01:14:10,770 --> 01:14:13,669
And that's when I acquired
the Italy club because I
1442
01:14:13,670 --> 01:14:16,249
knew when I looked at
it'll do that, The Church
1443
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:17,379
would do well there.
1444
01:14:17,380 --> 01:14:20,899
I was really upset
that he was going
1445
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:22,519
to reopen The Church already.
1446
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,759
And that he was going to
call the night at It'll
1447
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:26,460
Do The Church.
1448
01:14:26,461 --> 01:14:27,899
I'm like, dude, why.
1449
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:31,529
Let's let The Church
die infamously.
1450
01:14:31,530 --> 01:14:33,109
Let it die legendary.
1451
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:36,139
Let The Church die, the
name die with the building.
1452
01:14:36,140 --> 01:14:37,289
And It'll Do.
1453
01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:39,179
We're back to our roots.
1454
01:14:39,180 --> 01:14:41,399
And we're really more of
what we were originally,
1455
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,719
which is just a place to
dance, drink, and socialize.
1456
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,919
I hated it when I walked
in there the first time
1457
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,599
when I first saw it.
1458
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,699
I'm like, man, no,
this place, no.
1459
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:56,629
But now it's like with
the people and the vibe
1460
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:59,699
and the music and the lighting,
it just, yeah, it works.
1461
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:02,215
It felt like being at home
again in a different home.
1462
01:15:53,730 --> 01:15:57,119
Listen, I support
Joe in his decisions.
1463
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,649
There are personal
decisions that he
1464
01:15:58,650 --> 01:16:00,189
has to make for his life.
1465
01:16:00,190 --> 01:16:02,639
And I support him
and encourage him.
1466
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,819
I wish him the best.
1467
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:06,367
And I'm sure it'll
be good for him.
1468
01:16:06,368 --> 01:16:07,535
But we're going to miss him.
1469
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:12,433
It's weird to talk about.
1470
01:16:12,434 --> 01:16:14,350
I don't know what to
say, so give me a second.
1471
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:26,959
It is what it is.
1472
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:27,960
It's time.
1473
01:16:31,866 --> 01:16:34,629
Oh my God, it's been so long.
1474
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:36,291
So long, Byron.
1475
01:16:36,292 --> 01:16:37,000
You look great.
1476
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
You both do.
1477
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:45,990
What's up?
1478
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:56,869
Movers come on Wednesday.
1479
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:58,465
And we leave Thursday.
1480
01:17:09,228 --> 01:17:12,189
Right now that this is the
last time in a long time
1481
01:17:12,190 --> 01:17:15,349
I'm going to see these people.
1482
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:19,799
This could be the
last time I get
1483
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,869
to play my heart out to them.
1484
01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:22,840
All my whole shit.
1485
01:17:22,841 --> 01:17:24,699
Everybody's fucking here.
1486
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:26,979
What the fuck?
1487
01:17:26,980 --> 01:17:29,529
The question I'm getting
all night long is like, why?
1488
01:17:29,530 --> 01:17:30,147
What happened?
1489
01:17:30,147 --> 01:17:30,730
What happened?
1490
01:17:30,730 --> 01:17:31,435
Is it a job?
1491
01:17:31,436 --> 01:17:32,599
Is it whatever?
1492
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,969
No, I'm just... I just always
dreamed of living in California,
1493
01:17:34,970 --> 01:17:35,930
always wanted that.
1494
01:17:35,931 --> 01:17:38,659
And my wife always wanted
a mid-century modern home.
1495
01:17:38,660 --> 01:17:43,759
And we found a mid-century
modern home in California.
1496
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:44,620
Fucking yay.
1497
01:17:44,621 --> 01:17:49,389
And I'm going to go and do what
I can to take over California.
1498
01:17:49,390 --> 01:17:52,414
So I'm going to miss
you all so fucking much.
1499
01:17:52,415 --> 01:17:53,539
And we'll see what happens.
1500
01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:54,739
We'll see what fucking happens.
1501
01:17:54,740 --> 01:17:56,822
I want to play some fucking
three T's because it's
1502
01:17:56,823 --> 01:17:58,989
just that good right now.
1503
01:17:58,990 --> 01:18:02,900
I love you.
1504
01:18:07,502 --> 01:18:09,849
Hey, this is
Olga from Skinny Puppy,
1505
01:18:09,850 --> 01:18:11,639
and you are being
infected by one
1506
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:16,529
of the most disgusting diseases
by DJ Virus at The Church.
1507
01:18:16,530 --> 01:18:18,549
Hi, this is cEvin Key.
1508
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:21,899
And you're listening to
Joe Virus at the church.
1509
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:23,719
Hey, it's Andy
from Comic Christ.
1510
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,179
You're listening to Joe
Virus at The Church.
1511
01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:28,129
Hi, this is Ronan.
1512
01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:30,239
Welcome to the
House of our Lord.
1513
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,579
Welcome to The Church.
1514
01:18:31,580 --> 01:18:34,319
You're listening to the
beautiful sounds of Mr. Joe
1515
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:34,820
Virus.
1516
01:18:34,821 --> 01:18:37,349
This is ginger
fish from Marilyn Manson.
1517
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:41,499
And you are listening to
Joe Virus at The Church.
1518
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:43,769
Hey, this is Bill
Lee from frontline assembly.
1519
01:18:43,770 --> 01:18:46,549
And you are being
sonically accosted
1520
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:49,269
by listening to Joe
Virus at The Church.
1521
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:52,909
This is Groovy, man,
from my life with the thrill
1522
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:58,719
kill kult. And you're
listening to Joe Virus.
1523
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,670
I whisper your name across them.
1524
01:19:19,580 --> 01:19:22,789
It's so natural that it
looks unnatural, I guess.
1525
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:25,939
It looks... it reminds
me of Angkor Wat.
1526
01:19:25,940 --> 01:19:29,939
But that's a temple
that was made by man.
1527
01:19:29,940 --> 01:19:32,275
This is just made by weather.
1528
01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:38,339
I lived in Euless
out in the Metroplex,
1529
01:19:38,340 --> 01:19:41,899
and I really pretty
much just went
1530
01:19:41,900 --> 01:19:43,829
shopping, went to
restaurants, went to the club,
1531
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:45,469
and that was it.
1532
01:19:45,470 --> 01:19:51,542
Here, I come here maybe
once a week just to chill,
1533
01:19:51,543 --> 01:19:52,460
just to come out here.
1534
01:19:52,461 --> 01:19:55,899
And sometimes I'll just park
in the parking lot over here
1535
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:56,833
and just sit and look at it.
1536
01:19:56,834 --> 01:19:58,500
Sometimes I'll get
up and wander around.
1537
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,699
I miss my friends.
1538
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:07,600
I miss the club.
1539
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,200
I really miss the club.
1540
01:20:08,201 --> 01:20:09,219
I miss the crowd.
1541
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:09,990
Both clubs.
1542
01:20:09,991 --> 01:20:11,859
I miss 2424.
1543
01:20:11,860 --> 01:20:14,699
I miss It'll Do.
1544
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:15,929
I miss the crowd there.
1545
01:20:15,930 --> 01:20:17,609
I don't miss the traffic.
1546
01:20:17,610 --> 01:20:21,669
I have a good, group
of friends here.
1547
01:20:21,670 --> 01:20:27,919
An awesome... we're like a
family, supporting each other.
1548
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:28,670
It's just awesome.
1549
01:20:28,671 --> 01:20:30,499
I get to hang out
with them a lot.
1550
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:35,809
I moved here to a
desolate desert,
1551
01:20:35,810 --> 01:20:37,829
and I'm not alone anymore.
1552
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:39,479
And I was more
alone in a big city.
1553
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:41,389
That's what I'm trying to say.
1554
01:20:41,390 --> 01:20:43,105
Yeah, exactly what you said.
1555
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,659
So if I had to put
the story, the legacy,
1556
01:20:58,660 --> 01:21:00,161
the story of The
Church into words,
1557
01:21:00,162 --> 01:21:01,369
it's really difficult for me.
1558
01:21:01,370 --> 01:21:06,709
But I really think
it's just about how
1559
01:21:06,710 --> 01:21:09,449
one venue, one
place, one building,
1560
01:21:09,450 --> 01:21:15,269
one night in this one building,
how it brought all these lonely,
1561
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:20,669
ostracized, the weirdos, the
freaks, the geeks, the nerds,
1562
01:21:20,670 --> 01:21:24,349
the lonesome, the lonely,
the sad, the forgotten
1563
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:26,099
and the displaced people.
1564
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:27,909
The building gave us all a hug.
1565
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:33,399
It brought us all in
and pushed us together
1566
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,316
in a way that I've never
felt that anywhere.
1567
01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:47,129
I tried to be tough about
it all, the whole time.
1568
01:21:47,130 --> 01:21:50,489
I really missed being...
1569
01:21:50,490 --> 01:21:53,799
I miss it so much.
1570
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:54,800
Fuck.
1571
01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:05,692
I'm looking for a brick to take.
1572
01:22:05,693 --> 01:22:06,985
I want a piece of the building.
1573
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:24,909
Yeah, this one's good.
1574
01:22:24,910 --> 01:22:27,129
This is my brick.
1575
01:22:27,130 --> 01:22:28,429
I just missed this place.
1576
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:29,679
I love this building.
1577
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,320
I don't want to let it go.
1578
01:23:52,478 --> 01:23:55,259
Welcome
1579
01:23:55,260 --> 01:23:56,672
We live on the other side
1580
01:23:56,673 --> 01:23:58,339
We live on the other side
1581
01:23:58,340 --> 01:24:00,299
When cities sleep
1582
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:01,559
We come alive
1583
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:02,480
When cities sleep
1584
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:03,270
We come alive
1585
01:24:03,271 --> 01:24:04,519
In our secret place
1586
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:05,470
We congregate
1587
01:24:05,471 --> 01:24:06,839
In our secret place
1588
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,149
We congregate
1589
01:24:08,150 --> 01:24:10,199
Every night to celebrate
1590
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:18,200
Every night to celebrate
1591
01:24:29,980 --> 01:24:32,559
Enter without prejudice
1592
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,279
Enter without prejudice
1593
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,269
No sacred words
mean more than this
1594
01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:38,619
No Sacred words
mean more than this
1595
01:24:38,620 --> 01:24:40,664
Just take a seat
and listen close
1596
01:24:40,665 --> 01:24:43,169
Just take a seat
and listen close
1597
01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:45,389
Enjoy some spirits
with the ghosts
1598
01:24:45,390 --> 01:24:47,889
Enjoy some spirits
with the ghosts
1599
01:24:47,890 --> 01:24:52,699
You, you belong
to the night time
1600
01:24:52,700 --> 01:24:56,227
Moving through the shadows
of the street lights
1601
01:24:56,228 --> 01:25:00,987
You dance till the
moon starts to fall
1602
01:25:00,988 --> 01:25:02,499
You run from the lightning
1603
01:25:02,500 --> 01:25:05,139
You belong to the night
1604
01:25:05,140 --> 01:25:09,139
You, you belong to the nigh time
1605
01:25:09,140 --> 01:25:14,139
Moving through the shadows
under street lights
1606
01:25:14,140 --> 01:25:17,639
You dance till the
moon starts to fall
1607
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:21,440
You run from the light when
you belong to the night
1608
01:25:40,353 --> 01:25:42,719
Echos of the sound and lights
1609
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,399
Echos of the sound and light
1610
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,679
Shadows dance in pure delight
1611
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,119
Shadows dance in pure delight
1612
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,279
the rhythm is what pulled you in
1613
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,119
The rhythm is what pulled you in
1614
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,464
Don't let this feeling ever end
1615
01:25:55,465 --> 01:25:58,361
Don't let this feeling ever it
1616
01:25:58,362 --> 01:26:02,261
You, you belong to the nigh time
1617
01:26:02,262 --> 01:26:06,689
Moving through the shadows
under street lights
1618
01:26:06,690 --> 01:26:10,629
You dance till the
moon starts to fall
1619
01:26:10,630 --> 01:26:15,194
You run from the light when
you belong to the night
1620
01:26:15,195 --> 01:26:20,449
You, you belong to the nigh time
1621
01:26:20,450 --> 01:26:24,409
Moving through the shadows
under street lights
1622
01:26:24,410 --> 01:26:28,289
You dance till the
moon starts to fall
1623
01:26:28,290 --> 01:26:32,890
You run from the light when
you belong to the night125241
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