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(music, glass shattering)
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(groaning ominous music)
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- I'm just familiar with it.
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I'm pretty much slamming every day,
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four slams a day,
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about 400 pounds in week I can.
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That's not so much.
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(heavy breathing)
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See, now what I want to do is get fucked, have sex.
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Crazy.
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- [Voiceover] Straight away?
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- Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Just by cock, cock, cock, cock, cock.
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I'm not like a proper drug addict.
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Do you know?
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I know that like to some people
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it would seem that I am, but--
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- [Voiceover] What's a proper drug addict?
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- I don't know.
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Yeah, I don't know, probably me.
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(ambient music)
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- [Voiceover] If you could just introduce yourself
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by name and age and where you're from.
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(voices speaking over one another)
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- [Voiceover] What is it that you're here
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to talk about today?
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- Um.
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Well, really it's uh...
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- I'm here 'cause I'm worried
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about what's happening on the scene.
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I'm worried about my friends.
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I've seen people get hooked on crystal
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and just what they look like when they're on it.
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- People got addiction in their life
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and they get addicted to drugs and sex and the lifestyle.
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- Chems, fetish, that kinda world,
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it's very taboo
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and a lot of people don't want to talk about it
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even if they're involved in it,
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they don't want to admit it and talk about it.
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- I'm here today to kinda talk about chemsex
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and what it's meant to me
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and what it's kinda meant to my community.
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- I'm here because,
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I'm here 'cause I'm alive.
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I did get out.
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And why not,
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should I not tell this story?
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(pulsing ambient music)
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- They just look possessed.
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Wild and hungry and desperate.
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I am scared of this kind of perversion of the gay scene.
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It's pathological.
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There's something scary happening.
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- In my day, you'd get asked out in a bar, perhaps.
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These days, 15, 16, you leave your home in Hertfordshire.
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You come to London to find your gay life
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and you find Grindr,
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and within, perhaps, four conversations,
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you're gonna be introduced to chems.
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Within eight conversation on Grindr,
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you're gonna be introduced
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to injecting or slamming, as it's called.
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- I need you to behave yourself for me please.
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- There is no textbook for how
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to be a safe gay man in modern times,
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in a changing health care world,
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in a changing app word,
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in a changing hooking up technology world.
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(excited chattering)
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Where do these kids the tools to manage this?
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- [Voiceover] Are you in London tomorrow?
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- I'm coming to your house tonight.
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Look at this boy.
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Sexy boy, sexy boy, sexy boy.
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- [Voiceover] What happened to your legs?
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- I'm sick of alcohol, man.
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That's it.
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- And what else?
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- Mephedrone.
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- [Voiceover] Really?
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(moaning)
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- Originally sex and drugs were two separate things.
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However, somewhere along the line
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they became one in the same.
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So you were no longer having sex without drugs
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and you were no longer having drugs without sex.
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- What's tapping into our sexual dark places
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and our fantasies and why's it like that
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for gay men almost exclusively?
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There's something about our relationship
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to our sex for gay men that's causing harm
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and that needs addressing.
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(dark ominous music)
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- I'm Dick.
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I'm 32 and I'm from Watford
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and I like chemsex.
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I'm seeing someone at the moment who's 70.
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It's not really going great.
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I'm just waiting for him to die.
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Here you go, go on.
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If you're in Vauxhall at six o'clock on a Sunday morning
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and you turn on one of these apps,
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then they normally pop up
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and every other name has got point,
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implying that they use needles
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and Tina, the abbreviated name for crystal meth.
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This one's Grindr.
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See, I haven't been on it for a while,
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so I've got 66 messages.
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"Morning mate, I've got my phone.
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"Hope you get well and get sleazy.
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"Oink, oink, oink."
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Oink, oink is kind of trying
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to say they're piggy and sleazy.
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"Be good to meet up with you and breed you
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"and open your ass with my fist."
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Do you want a cup of tea?
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- [Voiceover] When you have had chemsex,
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what are the drugs that you prefer to take?
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- I like ketamine.
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Ketamine the horse tranquilizer.
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I think it sort of loosens the bum
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so it's quite good for gay sex.
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I suppose that's why gay people take it.
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I was never a pill person.
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A bit like cocaine,
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I tried it, it didn't really do much
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and then this crappy meow meow, M-CAT shit took over,
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but again, I haven't really fussed by that.
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Once, I was at a club and I went home with three guys,
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then one chap overdosed on G.
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I had him in the kitchen, he said,
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"Oh shit, I've just taken another one by mistake."
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And I thought how do you take another one by mistake?
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So, I just think it's best to leave it alone.
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Crystal, I sort of took too.
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A lot of the things that is wrong with the whole thing,
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you know the drugs are illegal,
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the sex that's going on isn't probably morally correct.
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We're tarts now with new names to make it sound acceptable.
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We're not injecting drugs like the heroin addicts,
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we're slamming and using pins not needles.
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Do you fancy using five month old syringes
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to get off your face and not know what you're doing?
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Doesn't sound like a very tempting invite.
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Do you fancy a chemsex session?
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Oh yes, please.
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- I'm currently using a variety of things,
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various letters of the alphabet,
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so my alphabet soup consists
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of V, T, G, M, K
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and more T, more G.
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V is Viagra, T is Tina, methamphetamine,
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G is GBL, swallowed with liquid,
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M is mephedrone, K is ketamine.
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T and sometimes the M, I slam it
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or inject it intravenously
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and K, snort it through the nose in tiny little bumps.
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- If you switch on Grindr, you switch on Scruff
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or any of these apps, you know,
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Tina, T, G,
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all of these factors come into play
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and they all mean one thing.
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It's time to party.
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(tranquil ambient music)
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- [Party Host] This is my party tonight.
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I'm hosting it.
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Because I work both in London and down in Bournemouth,
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I've tried to include people I play with in London
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and also people I play with down here.
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We've got about 20 people who've said they're gonna come.
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Whether they do or not is another matter.
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So I have a spreadsheet.
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It's got people's names, people's avatars
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and then I've got an arrival time
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and I've got my G o'clock timetable
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to see when people take G.
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How many queens does
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it take to put up a sling?
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I was never very good at camping.
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This weekend, this party is a bareback party.
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Everyone knows it's bareback,
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so the vast majority of people
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are positive non-detectable.
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The couple of neg guys that are coming,
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you know, they are fully aware of the risks
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and it's up to them what they want to do.
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- My name is Matt Spike,
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I'm a photographer,
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a gay fetish photographer specifically.
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People who wouldn't be aware of chemsex
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found their way into it via social networking.
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You could probably find yourself
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in the middle of a full on drugged up orgy
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within the hour using this website.
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Quite easily.
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Just looking at this profile here.
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This guy said that he likes
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sleazy sex sessions with chilled breaks.
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And the chilled breaks is a clue that,
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basically what that means is that
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between fisting the living shit out of each other,
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they'll probably just sit on the couch
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for half an hour and shoot up again.
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Yeah, I mean there's nothing subtle about that.
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Ass is nasty, kink pigs,
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kind of the name really says it all, doesn't it actually?
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Morals are not exactly a priority.
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I mean, this basically is just a place
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where people come to find others
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that basically want to slam.
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This site also,
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you could find guys that would pos you up,
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that will give you HIV.
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For somebody to be willing to give you HIV
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is such a brutal thing to want to do.
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I think it's just a really extreme form of sadism
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and I think that really extreme masochists
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will just seek out this, and just...
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(camera clicks)
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This is basically a dungeon that's used
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by people who want to organize private play sessions.
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Nothing that goes on here is vanilla.
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It's all about the bondage,
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it's all about the piss,
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it's all about servitude
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and gags, collars and hooks.
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Just really give me a real pained look.
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That's it, yeah.
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So what we're doing is we are showing
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what it's like in a play session shooting up crystal meth.
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I can't help the fact that the drug was invented.
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I can't help the fact that people merged it with sex.
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So for me, it's an artistic thing
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just representing what's going on
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and if that happens to look sexy, that's not my fault.
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(thumping electronic music)
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You can open up receptors or areas
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of your mind or imagination using drugs.
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I mean that's stuff that I did because I was on drugs
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and I've been able to do later sober,
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'cause I learned how to do it whilst on drugs.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, Sam look up to that needle.
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- I was at a sex club and I met these two guys
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and went back with them to threesome
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and then they tied me up in the sling
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and said did I slam.
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And I said, "No, I don't know what you're talking about."
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As soon as they said injection drugs,
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I thought fuck, you know, this is hardcore.
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And I said, "No, this isn't for me."
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And then they said, "Well it don't really matter,
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"'cause you're tied up now.
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"So you're going with it."
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And then that was it.
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They did it.
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Are you alright?
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- Mhmm.
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- I've had the best sex with it
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and I've also had the worst sex.
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I met somebody, a bit of a loose canon
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and went to his house.
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(men chatting)
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We slammed and then
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as soon as that kicked in, it was just...
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I'm somewhere else.
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(moaning and grunting)
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I thought it was alright at that point,
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and then out of the corner of my eye,
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I see him reach for his phone.
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He was on the internet looking for the next shag.
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And being with him, you think oh put it down.
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Pages and click through the faces,
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sending messages, hello.
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I mean for me, I don't get the apps and websites up.
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Other people just can't get off them.
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- They don't quite fit as well.
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It's not worth it.
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I decided I didn't like the kitchen floor,
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so I wanted to put this down myself, which I did.
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When I went to the HomeBase,
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the guy was like,
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I was like I need some help
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because I don't really know what I'm doing,
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I've never done this before.
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I said, "What do I need?"
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And he was like, "You need one of these saws."
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So he like took me back in the shop control.
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I came out with like a tool drawer
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and my dad was like so impressed.
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He's like bought me a screwdriver with a light on it.
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Because I suppose sometimes like you might
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have to do something under the sink.
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(screwdriver whirring)
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- Continuing.
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- Probably until Monday.
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- [Party Host] So the time now is coming up to midnight.
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Time is a bit blurry with me now.
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We got quite a good turn out.
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We've got about 10 people here so far.
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I have done M-CAT,
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I think about four or five lines.
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And I've done one shot of G.
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I'm nicely chilled and nicely relaxed
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and not so drugged out that I can't still fuck.
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(moaning)
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- The feelings that you get
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is like a fucking firework display.
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It's always incredible.
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- In two seconds you are in the planet
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that hasn't been discovered yet by humanity.
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- Everyone will just leap on each other
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and you'll just dissolve into this sweaty mess
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of sex and lust and you'll just lose yourselves
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and you'll lose everything and that's when it feels good.
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That's when it just feels like bliss.
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- There is a planet,
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that you arrived there,
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but you don't arrive alone
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and if you're lucky and that person is as horny as you are,
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and he wants the same sex as you want,
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let me tell you that planet has got beautiful gardens.
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Amazing fountains, beautiful trees and all that stuff.
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- Successful, good looking, gorgeous,
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business men running around naked,
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giggling like little boys,
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high off their nut having a laugh.
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And it's incredibly free.
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It's everything I wanted.
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- Have another shot of G,
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give it 10 minutes and all of a sudden
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everyone's back in the rolling mess
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and it's brilliant and it's fantastic.
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When you've had that and you go back to sex
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when you're not on drugs, you think,
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"Oh is that it?"
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- This sobriety is fucking dull.
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No offense, but if I have
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to spend the rest of my life as sober,
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you might a well just fucking
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take me to the euthanasia clinic.
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- The last time I slammed was just before,
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about 15 minutes before you turned up.
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So, yeah.
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Got online and met a guy.
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Sat up and took meth and had sex all day
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and not long got back, really.
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So, a bit battered, but I had a good time.
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School and childhood were pretty much fine.
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I had no complaints.
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I'm very fortunate with that.
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I'd never experienced misery, depression, anxiety.
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I don't know therefore why I do this to myself.
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Slamming seems to have become part of the habit now.
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That's how swollen they get.
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Ridiculous.
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- [Voiceover] Do you mix it with anything else?
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- This evening I did take G.
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It gets you a bit more whapped out
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and a bit more out of it.
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So it was good.
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It kind of builds into a crescendo with the slamming.
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I find it's very difficult to stop
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at a certain point unless you're out.
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I've been using every weekend.
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I don't seem to have an ability to stop and say no.
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I have an issue and a problem
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that needs to be dealt with,
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unless I end up taking too much
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or taking it over a period of time
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and ending up in hospital or not here anymore,
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so it needs to kind of be sorted out.
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- What I do is I address the chemsex trends
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that are happening amongst gay and bi men
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in London mostly, I guess.
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That's the sexualized drug use
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of crystal meth, GHB or GBL and mephedrone.
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56 Dean Street is a sexual health clinic.
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It's more of a sexual well being center I would say.
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These are our touch screen terminals.
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And so it's just asking me a series of questions
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about who I have sex with.
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How many sexual partners?
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Let's assume I've had, let's say 80.
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Have I had a penis in my mouth?
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Oh yeah.
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In the last three months, have you had anal sex?
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Anal as in anus.
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Oh yeah.
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And because I clicked the chemsex tab,
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one of the nurses will get in touch with me
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and I'll give the patient a call.
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The way things work in the UK is
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if you have a sexual health issue,
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you come into a sexual health clinic
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and if you have a drug issue,
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you go off to, usually, a heroine service
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where hopefully they can talk to you about those things.
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This wasn't working for gay men,
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so we felt very strongly that we needed
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to support them within sexual health.
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It's brand new.
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It hasn't really been done before.
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I'm the first person doing this job
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00:26:03,328 --> 00:26:06,364
within sexual health in the UK,
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but the idea is to create a model here
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that can be rolled out to other sexual health clinics.
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It's all new, nice.
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We like the way it's decorated.
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We hope our patients do.
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We have an issue with sex.
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We do.
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If you don't believe me,
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go to your local sexual health clinic
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00:26:27,018 --> 00:26:29,454
and you will see hoards of gay men
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00:26:29,487 --> 00:26:31,556
in this town self-medicating their way
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through complicated sexual identity
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and experience with really harmful drugs.
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The average number of partners
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somewhere between five and 15 people per weekend.
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They are sometimes sharing needles if they run out.
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00:26:47,973 --> 00:26:51,710
They are douching from hoses with the shower heads taken off
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00:26:51,743 --> 00:26:55,213
and if there are cut and marks from rough sex on drugs
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00:26:55,246 --> 00:26:56,848
you're gonna catch Hepatitis C.
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00:26:56,881 --> 00:26:58,717
There's a lot of risk.
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00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:04,322
Five gay men are being diagnosed with HIV
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00:27:04,356 --> 00:27:06,891
every single day in London.
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Just in London and that's a huge number.
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00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:15,333
At 56 Dean Street, there was one weekend
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00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:18,703
where 33 gay men showed up for PEP.
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If you're exposed to HIV
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00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:21,639
through an accident or a condom break,
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00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:23,308
you can take this medicine for a month
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00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:27,379
and it will pretty much prevent you from catching HIV.
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31 of those were the result of a chemsex weekend.
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Simple question.
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Do you use drugs for sex?
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00:27:36,087 --> 00:27:40,258
In the last three months, 300 people here have said yes.
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00:27:42,794 --> 00:27:45,930
Hi, what brought you here today?
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- [Patient] It doesn't seem that anybody nowadays
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00:27:47,632 --> 00:27:49,401
has sex without drugs
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00:27:51,302 --> 00:27:53,638
and so intimacy isn't there.
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00:27:55,073 --> 00:27:56,274
- Can I check with the G?
447
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'Cause that's the most dangerous of the bunch.
448
00:27:58,243 --> 00:27:59,811
- [Patient] G has recently come back into my life.
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00:27:59,844 --> 00:28:04,716
It's one of those that I find really difficult to not have.
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00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:08,153
I start getting the anxiety attacks and withdrawal symptoms.
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- What's your favorite drug?
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- [Patient] Mephedrone and G together.
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- Together.
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If you have to prioritize one over the other,
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could you?
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Or it's always together?
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- [Patient] G.
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Actually that's the killer.
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- These drugs are so harmful
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and guys are finding themselves in such a bad way.
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They're not sitting going,
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"Oh I did drugs for three days.
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"It could have been a bit out of hand.
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"I had a really good time, but I wanna make some changes."
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That's not what's going on.
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They're sitting in front of me traumatized,
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"Why do I do that?
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00:28:41,352 --> 00:28:44,756
"Pushing things to such an extreme length
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"and I'm devastated and I haven't had sober sex in ages
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"and I don't know why."
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- [Simon] I'm here to see David.
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- It's about a gay community emerging
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from a really traumatic past, a complicated past.
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00:29:00,972 --> 00:29:03,141
Vulnerable gay men with issues around sex
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00:29:03,174 --> 00:29:05,310
new drugs are tending to that problem rather well
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00:29:05,343 --> 00:29:07,979
and changing technology,
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00:29:08,012 --> 00:29:10,181
what they call the perfect storm.
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And we need a different way of thinking to address it.
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- [Simon] Great, thank you.
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- What brought you here today?
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00:29:17,922 --> 00:29:20,125
- I realized that really over the years,
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all my sex has been either drunk or more,
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since I was 24 and onwards
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00:29:26,998 --> 00:29:29,367
and especially since my mid to late 20s and onwards
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has always been drug fueled sex.
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00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:33,705
It has to stop at some point.
487
00:29:33,738 --> 00:29:34,939
So.
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- [David] Is this that time now?
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- [Simon] I feel so, yes.
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00:29:39,043 --> 00:29:40,278
- When you've hooked up before,
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00:29:40,311 --> 00:29:42,213
what apps are you using, what sites?
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00:29:42,247 --> 00:29:43,715
How do you find a shag?
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00:29:43,748 --> 00:29:48,019
- The last year or two, BBLT just because I prefer
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00:29:48,052 --> 00:29:51,022
to have bareback sex with people who are taking drugs
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00:29:51,055 --> 00:29:54,359
and that's a very easy site to find those kind of people.
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00:29:54,392 --> 00:29:55,793
- First thing that I would like to do
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00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:59,330
would be to give you a feeling of yeah, I can do that.
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00:29:59,364 --> 00:30:01,566
And that starts with an experiment
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of a short amount of time.
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One week of your life.
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No drugs.
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00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:07,639
It's an invitation and a suggestion.
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I'm not telling you what to do.
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You may not have solved world hunger
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00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:13,011
and you may not fixed every problem in the world,
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but you did that.
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00:30:14,212 --> 00:30:15,480
Going home and sitting at home
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00:30:15,513 --> 00:30:17,248
twiddling your thumbs doesn't work.
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00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:18,883
You know there actually is all over the place.
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00:30:18,917 --> 00:30:21,085
The only important thing is to identify it.
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00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:22,620
You don't have to put your hand up in the air
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00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:25,557
and say, "I'm a raging addict, chemsex alcoholic," whatever,
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00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:27,592
you can just say I've got a big day tomorrow.
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00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:30,094
I'm gonna keep it kinda light tonight.
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00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:31,396
Simple as that and then your friends
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00:30:31,429 --> 00:30:33,731
are supporting you to do it, hopefully.
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00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:34,933
- Let's do it.
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00:30:36,367 --> 00:30:38,069
- [David] In nearly every case I've ever seen,
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00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,038
there's an explainable reason
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00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:42,473
why these guys are using drugs.
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00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:45,643
Gay men who have grown up feeling isolated,
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00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:47,145
they're looking for a disinhibitor.
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00:30:47,178 --> 00:30:49,247
They're looking for something that enables communication
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00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,916
with other people, connection to other people,
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00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:54,819
to be part of a community and the drugs kind
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00:30:54,852 --> 00:30:57,188
of enable that in a big way.
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00:31:10,468 --> 00:31:12,904
- I think there is meaning in chemsex.
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00:31:12,937 --> 00:31:15,440
I think it does have a function.
529
00:31:15,473 --> 00:31:18,076
It allows you to stop worrying
530
00:31:18,109 --> 00:31:20,078
about all the shit that the gay world
531
00:31:20,111 --> 00:31:22,413
tells you you should always worry about.
532
00:31:22,447 --> 00:31:27,385
- Having felt lonely, and being into the chemsex thing,
533
00:31:27,418 --> 00:31:29,854
you actually find yourself in a group
534
00:31:29,887 --> 00:31:34,392
of six, seven people having fun, having a great time
535
00:31:34,425 --> 00:31:36,461
and none of these people, hardly any of them,
536
00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:39,264
ever become any real friends in your life,
537
00:31:39,297 --> 00:31:41,599
but they can fill a void on a Friday night,
538
00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:42,800
a Saturday where you could have
539
00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:45,837
been alone the whole weekend.
540
00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:47,772
- You've got fuck all in common with them.
541
00:31:47,805 --> 00:31:49,307
You don't know anything about them,
542
00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:50,742
but the drugs will let you think
543
00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:52,210
that you do have something in common with them
544
00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:55,246
and that you do really feel for them.
545
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,916
For days, you get to feel that you're worth something.
546
00:31:58,950 --> 00:32:00,218
You're important, at least to the person
547
00:32:00,251 --> 00:32:02,520
who's fucking you or who you're fucking.
548
00:32:02,553 --> 00:32:05,023
You're important to the people whose house you're at.
549
00:32:05,056 --> 00:32:09,227
And the gay scene can be such a lonely, alienating place,
550
00:32:10,628 --> 00:32:14,699
that you can see the function that that sex serves.
551
00:32:26,177 --> 00:32:29,013
- I was living in this flat where the light is on,
552
00:32:29,047 --> 00:32:31,749
constantly smoking crystal meth.
553
00:32:38,356 --> 00:32:40,558
The guys are still living there.
554
00:32:40,591 --> 00:32:42,193
The light is the same.
555
00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:43,961
The blue, the purple.
556
00:32:46,831 --> 00:32:48,299
Normally the sex was,
557
00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:52,970
involved unprotected sex with a lot of partners.
558
00:32:53,004 --> 00:32:57,642
I normally used to do things I've never, ever done before
559
00:32:57,675 --> 00:33:00,611
without the effect of crystal meth.
560
00:33:11,189 --> 00:33:13,091
I was born in Spain.
561
00:33:13,124 --> 00:33:16,427
I came into UK three years ago.
562
00:33:16,461 --> 00:33:20,298
I met the last partner that I had in UK
563
00:33:20,331 --> 00:33:23,267
and I said to him three things, you know,
564
00:33:23,301 --> 00:33:27,805
"I'm HIV positive, I'm not ready for a relationship
565
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,841
"and I'm a drug addict."
566
00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:34,011
The perfect recipe for a disaster.
567
00:33:47,125 --> 00:33:48,493
- [Voiceover] The person whom you're trying to reach
568
00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:50,628
is currently unavailable.
569
00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:06,811
- When I was 20, I start exploring sex and chems.
570
00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:13,684
The drugs gave me the confidence that I never had.
571
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:19,991
I smoke crystal meth and I feel like a porn star.
572
00:34:21,626 --> 00:34:23,694
I've been working for ten years
573
00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:25,496
in commercial banking in Spain.
574
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:26,998
In my past I had money
575
00:34:27,031 --> 00:34:28,299
that I invest in drugs
576
00:34:28,332 --> 00:34:30,134
that I invest and I didn't really
577
00:34:30,168 --> 00:34:33,337
consider the consequences of my using.
578
00:34:39,177 --> 00:34:42,346
At the end, I was homeless, jobless,
579
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:45,283
hopeless and I was selling my body.
580
00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:51,122
- [Voiceover] So you were a highly educated professional
581
00:34:51,155 --> 00:34:54,158
in your past with a B.A. and an M.A.
582
00:34:57,128 --> 00:35:01,299
and then you were at a point where you're selling your body.
583
00:35:03,901 --> 00:35:06,337
(heavy sigh)
584
00:35:11,142 --> 00:35:11,976
- Yeah.
585
00:35:28,993 --> 00:35:31,095
- [Emcee] Who likes filthy, sleazy,
586
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:33,798
nasty, fucked up, bareback sex?
587
00:35:33,831 --> 00:35:35,600
Come on, who likes nasty, bareback sex?
588
00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:37,301
Let's hear you boys.
589
00:35:39,537 --> 00:35:41,172
Okay, right.
590
00:35:41,205 --> 00:35:43,140
We've got two porn stars now
591
00:35:43,174 --> 00:35:45,776
who will get up on the stage and do a bit of a show for you
592
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,379
and then when they've done whatever they're gonna do,
593
00:35:48,412 --> 00:35:50,314
they want you to come and join in, okay?
594
00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:52,884
They're here for your pleasure, okay?
595
00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:54,218
We want you to dump your loads
596
00:35:54,252 --> 00:35:56,787
in their cum filled asses
597
00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:59,457
or they want you to take their fucked up loads
598
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:01,158
in your holes, okay?
599
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:13,538
- I'm 21.
600
00:36:13,571 --> 00:36:17,441
I've only done chems about 10, 11 times in my life.
601
00:36:17,475 --> 00:36:18,943
I've done everything.
602
00:36:18,976 --> 00:36:20,711
I've bummed, I've snorted, I've boost, I've slammed it.
603
00:36:20,745 --> 00:36:22,980
I've done mephedrone, cane,
604
00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:25,917
crystal meth, GBL and crack cocaine.
605
00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:34,158
About 18, I caught the chem side of the scene.
606
00:36:34,191 --> 00:36:35,526
And then about last July,
607
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,995
it kind of all got a little bit, not darker,
608
00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:42,200
but into the chem world and all that kind of thing.
609
00:36:44,769 --> 00:36:47,471
Basically I got into chem because I wanted to try fisting
610
00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:49,006
and every time I've done chem, I've done fisting
611
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,876
and the two are linked in my head.
612
00:36:53,778 --> 00:36:56,247
Black means fisting and if it's on your left
613
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,015
it means you give or you're dominant.
614
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,384
If it's on your right, it's passive or submissive.
615
00:37:00,418 --> 00:37:02,186
It wasn't sex, that's just a given.
616
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,588
If you're into say tough sex
617
00:37:03,621 --> 00:37:05,122
or you're into a particular fetish
618
00:37:05,156 --> 00:37:08,793
it's just a way of showing, of course, what you're into.
619
00:37:14,832 --> 00:37:16,033
Once you've crossed the line,
620
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,668
and once you're in that world of chems
621
00:37:17,702 --> 00:37:20,571
and you're in that world of incredible sex.
622
00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:21,872
If you never come back across the line
623
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:23,307
and see what else is there,
624
00:37:23,341 --> 00:37:24,508
you could just very easily just stay in there
625
00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:25,943
and forget about what was behind you
626
00:37:25,977 --> 00:37:29,981
and just keep going forwards and down, inevitably.
627
00:37:34,652 --> 00:37:38,556
When I got diagnosed, it wasn't a shock.
628
00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:40,591
I'd accept that if I had bareback sex,
629
00:37:40,625 --> 00:37:43,694
if I did chemsex both together,
630
00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:47,698
it comes with the territory, unfortunately.
631
00:37:47,732 --> 00:37:48,899
I know it sounds bad,
632
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:49,934
but I think you kind of expect people
633
00:37:49,967 --> 00:37:53,270
down there to be HIV positive.
634
00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:55,606
I mean, admittedly, it is something you then
635
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,575
have to think about when you go into treatment.
636
00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,809
It's kind of you feel like responsible
637
00:37:58,843 --> 00:38:00,978
you're gonna give it to someone else.
638
00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:02,313
Yeah, it's just one of those things
639
00:38:02,346 --> 00:38:03,681
that I think if you think about too much,
640
00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:05,383
you're just gonna (mumbles)
641
00:38:05,416 --> 00:38:06,417
and I think more than anything where
642
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:07,918
you just kind got to deal with
643
00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:10,187
it's a fact about you, it's not a defining fact about you.
644
00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:13,958
I'm me, I'm not a walking HIV virus, so yeah.
645
00:38:15,893 --> 00:38:18,062
- [Voiceover] What's your status?
646
00:38:18,095 --> 00:38:19,897
- My status?
647
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:21,599
And to which are you referring?
648
00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:22,433
- [Voiceover] HIV.
649
00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:24,135
- HIV positive.
650
00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:28,005
- People are bare backing here, people are positive,
651
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,940
people are slamming as well.
652
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:32,610
And the truth is some people, you know,
653
00:38:32,643 --> 00:38:34,312
are not scared at all.
654
00:38:34,345 --> 00:38:36,113
- I think there's probably a lot of guys at this point,
655
00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:39,417
in fact I know, we've gone like fucking rabbits,
656
00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:40,418
saying at the time,
657
00:38:40,451 --> 00:38:41,252
this is really fucking horny,
658
00:38:41,285 --> 00:38:42,186
this is great.
659
00:38:42,219 --> 00:38:43,721
This is really fucking horny.
660
00:38:43,754 --> 00:38:47,325
And then afterwards saying I wish I'd stopped doing that.
661
00:38:47,358 --> 00:38:48,959
I don't like doing that.
662
00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:50,127
- I mean some people,
663
00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:52,029
they can be like crawling on the floor
664
00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:52,963
and not being able to talk,
665
00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:54,398
but I'll still use a condom
666
00:38:54,432 --> 00:38:55,900
'cause then it's like hardwired into their head
667
00:38:55,933 --> 00:38:59,870
that they're not catching HIV, Hep C, all these STI's.
668
00:38:59,904 --> 00:39:01,839
Some people, they'll just do it, they'll ask,
669
00:39:01,872 --> 00:39:02,973
"Are you positive?
670
00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:03,808
"Are you negative?"
671
00:39:03,841 --> 00:39:05,242
This that and the other.
672
00:39:05,276 --> 00:39:07,144
- Well I know I've met people and they've said to me,
673
00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:09,780
"Just go, get it over and done with.
674
00:39:09,814 --> 00:39:13,117
"Just take a tablet and you're alright."
675
00:39:14,518 --> 00:39:17,088
- Everything is okay, but you are HIV positive.
676
00:39:17,121 --> 00:39:18,789
You test positive.
677
00:39:18,823 --> 00:39:20,157
I was in shock.
678
00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:21,359
I didn't talk to my family.
679
00:39:21,392 --> 00:39:22,860
I didn't share with friends.
680
00:39:22,893 --> 00:39:27,198
I didn't pay attention about the dimension of the problem.
681
00:39:27,231 --> 00:39:30,401
- I'm still negative, but people told me,
682
00:39:30,434 --> 00:39:32,970
on this website where you can basically
683
00:39:33,003 --> 00:39:34,805
go to find sex and chems,
684
00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:36,907
they told me, "You should tell you're undetectable,
685
00:39:36,941 --> 00:39:38,642
"because it's gonna freak them out,
686
00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:40,778
"'cause they're gonna think they might infect you."
687
00:39:40,811 --> 00:39:43,481
So I do say I'm undetectable.
688
00:39:43,514 --> 00:39:45,483
- [Voiceover] You say you have the virus, but you're
689
00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:49,987
undetectable in order to have the sex that you want.
690
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:51,522
- Yes, I do.
691
00:39:51,555 --> 00:39:55,226
I do say that I'm undetectable so they I will find more sex.
692
00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:59,997
- I heard someone say they wanted HIV.
693
00:40:03,534 --> 00:40:04,735
And the sick thing is I can actually
694
00:40:04,769 --> 00:40:07,037
understand it in this life,
695
00:40:12,643 --> 00:40:14,578
'cause it's just easier to know you've got it
696
00:40:14,612 --> 00:40:18,716
than to always be worrying about getting it.
697
00:40:18,749 --> 00:40:22,586
But I can see people now coming onto the scene
698
00:40:24,054 --> 00:40:25,890
and they're 18, 19, 20
699
00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:29,460
and they talk like I used to.
700
00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:30,828
Like it was all just a game.
701
00:40:30,861 --> 00:40:33,864
Like it was all just something that,
702
00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:37,368
don't give a fuck, give a fuck,
703
00:40:37,401 --> 00:40:39,303
STD's, get a shot up your ass,
704
00:40:39,336 --> 00:40:41,305
you got syphilis and all this shit.
705
00:40:41,338 --> 00:40:44,575
Oh you know, let's all deal with it.
706
00:40:44,608 --> 00:40:49,246
Being diagnosed with HIV, it was a wake up call
707
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,781
'cause it happened
708
00:40:53,417 --> 00:40:55,719
after I'd OD'd on G
709
00:40:55,753 --> 00:40:57,421
and physically died.
710
00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:06,197
I went to the doctors to ask for the medication
711
00:41:07,565 --> 00:41:08,999
about a month ago
712
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,138
and they said it was
713
00:41:20,044 --> 00:41:22,279
it was not the right time for me.
714
00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:24,949
Physically they want me to go on it.
715
00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:28,486
They're aiming to get me there for summer,
716
00:41:29,353 --> 00:41:31,288
but I'm not there mentally.
717
00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:35,459
I'm not secure in myself, 'cause it's a lifelong commitment.
718
00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:36,894
I'm 26 years old.
719
00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:50,441
(melancholic ambient music)
720
00:42:00,251 --> 00:42:01,785
- So it's been a week since I
721
00:42:01,819 --> 00:42:04,688
went to the first counseling session.
722
00:42:04,722 --> 00:42:08,492
Last night, went out for a friend's birthday party.
723
00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:11,962
We were quite drunk and there was that trigger
724
00:42:11,996 --> 00:42:15,599
to kind of really want to go and get online
725
00:42:17,134 --> 00:42:19,270
and find some drugs and find some people,
726
00:42:19,303 --> 00:42:22,973
but I woke up this morning a little hungover
727
00:42:24,975 --> 00:42:26,277
and I've had a good day.
728
00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:27,544
It's felt good.
729
00:42:33,117 --> 00:42:35,953
Taking drugs and having sex parties and chemsex,
730
00:42:35,986 --> 00:42:39,290
I don't know whether I'd specifically say whoa,
731
00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:41,825
it's becoming a massive epidemic in society.
732
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:44,094
Sex and drugs and drinking has always
733
00:42:44,128 --> 00:42:46,697
been a big part of society.
734
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:47,765
There's certain people obviously
735
00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:50,234
who would probably judge you.
736
00:42:50,267 --> 00:42:53,270
People in the workplace, people in the street you meet,
737
00:42:53,304 --> 00:42:56,573
especially if they're not on the same level.
738
00:42:56,607 --> 00:42:59,877
So to talk about it now and to be open about it
739
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:02,012
and to be going to a counseling session about it
740
00:43:02,046 --> 00:43:05,950
it's quite a frightening thing to do, in a way.
741
00:43:10,587 --> 00:43:12,222
- This is Simon's second session.
742
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:13,724
I'm not always sure they come back a second time,
743
00:43:13,757 --> 00:43:14,792
because we give them a hell of a lot
744
00:43:14,825 --> 00:43:16,694
to think about the first time.
745
00:43:16,727 --> 00:43:18,195
Simon.
746
00:43:18,228 --> 00:43:20,631
- [Simon] Hey, David.
747
00:43:20,664 --> 00:43:22,099
- Welcome back, it's been one week, yes?
748
00:43:22,132 --> 00:43:23,534
- It has been one week, yes.
749
00:43:23,567 --> 00:43:24,735
I haven't used anything.
750
00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:26,570
I haven't had sex.
751
00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:28,038
I haven't had any, I haven't been,
752
00:43:28,072 --> 00:43:29,506
I've been tempted
753
00:43:30,641 --> 00:43:33,077
and remember when I had triggers, I'd go on.
754
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:36,880
You know, it's just trigger and recognizing it
755
00:43:36,914 --> 00:43:38,882
and just seeing it for what it is.
756
00:43:38,916 --> 00:43:40,351
- What we can talk about today,
757
00:43:40,384 --> 00:43:42,886
see if you want to extend that for another week.
758
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,788
- Little worried.
759
00:43:44,822 --> 00:43:46,056
There's two things coming up
760
00:43:46,090 --> 00:43:47,191
where I've made a conscious decision
761
00:43:47,224 --> 00:43:50,327
to already have something on me.
762
00:43:50,361 --> 00:43:51,729
There's a party coming up this Saturday
763
00:43:51,762 --> 00:43:53,797
and I end up getting tired and then
764
00:43:53,831 --> 00:43:56,300
feel the need to take drugs more.
765
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:58,102
- You've hear the term of self-medicating,
766
00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:01,372
taking some substance to medicate a feeling
767
00:44:01,405 --> 00:44:03,173
and then taking another medication
768
00:44:03,207 --> 00:44:05,075
to deal with the side effects of that.
769
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:09,279
Can you see how a little bit of what you're doing is that?
770
00:44:10,681 --> 00:44:12,116
- Definitely.
771
00:44:12,149 --> 00:44:13,617
Absolutely, 'cause actually when I take mephedrone,
772
00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:16,854
I take propranolol which is a beta blocker.
773
00:44:16,887 --> 00:44:18,022
Do you know it all started
774
00:44:18,055 --> 00:44:21,225
when I was first given antiretrovirals?
775
00:44:23,127 --> 00:44:25,029
Which I don't take anymore, but--
776
00:44:25,062 --> 00:44:27,898
- Are you keeping in check with your health care team
777
00:44:27,931 --> 00:44:29,700
to know that you're well and everything then?
778
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,935
- No, to be honest, it's a whole different discussion,
779
00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:33,203
a different story.
780
00:44:33,237 --> 00:44:35,773
I've got background in science and genetics,
781
00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:38,742
but I did a lot of research back in 2011,
782
00:44:38,776 --> 00:44:42,680
documentaries, books, websites and out of that,
783
00:44:43,881 --> 00:44:48,218
I decided to become an HIV/AIDS dissident.
784
00:44:48,252 --> 00:44:51,121
So, I don't believe I've got HIV
785
00:44:51,155 --> 00:44:54,691
and I don't believe that CD4 or viral load means anything,
786
00:44:54,725 --> 00:44:57,227
'cause lots of different reasons.
787
00:44:57,261 --> 00:44:59,329
- When you got an HIV diagnosis,
788
00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,498
do you think you were lied to?
789
00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:02,599
- No, no, no.
790
00:45:03,967 --> 00:45:05,502
It's probably a discussion I don't want to have,
791
00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:06,703
to be honest.
792
00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:07,971
It's not my reason for being here
793
00:45:08,005 --> 00:45:09,606
and I've got a whole email put together,
794
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,542
that I put together with links and documentaries
795
00:45:11,575 --> 00:45:12,776
and things for people to read,
796
00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:14,211
because as soon as I say something like that,
797
00:45:14,244 --> 00:45:17,815
not surprisingly, you get a reaction.
798
00:45:17,848 --> 00:45:19,783
So I deliberately put together the email to say
799
00:45:19,817 --> 00:45:22,219
"Look, you know what, happy to talk about it,
800
00:45:22,252 --> 00:45:24,021
but give me your email address.
801
00:45:24,054 --> 00:45:26,757
Have a look at all this and then come back to me."
802
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:29,193
And that's where I ended up.
803
00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:31,228
- Alright, I think I've been shut down here, which is cool.
804
00:45:31,261 --> 00:45:32,329
Send me the email.
805
00:45:32,362 --> 00:45:34,031
- [Simon] I will do.
806
00:45:35,165 --> 00:45:36,867
- We were talking about a plan, weren't we?
807
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,435
Imagine if you're sitting in that chair next week
808
00:45:38,469 --> 00:45:40,204
and you'd have two weeks off
809
00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:41,472
and you'd go, "You know what?
810
00:45:41,505 --> 00:45:42,539
"I had an awesome time at that party.
811
00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:43,707
"I didn't need to do drugs.
812
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:45,542
"What a ridiculous conversation that was."
813
00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:47,511
- [Simon] Yeah, that would feel pretty good.
814
00:45:47,544 --> 00:45:49,179
- Okay, do we have another plan for a week then?
815
00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:51,448
- [Simon] Yes, let's do it.
816
00:45:51,482 --> 00:45:52,316
Thank you.
817
00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:03,427
- [David] I'm sorry I brought that up
818
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:05,462
if that was a sore point
819
00:46:12,736 --> 00:46:15,706
- I've not taken any antiretrovirals since 2011.
820
00:46:15,739 --> 00:46:18,809
I came off them gradually, the ones that I were on
821
00:46:18,842 --> 00:46:20,444
and I've been fine.
822
00:46:22,379 --> 00:46:23,814
It wasn't an easy decision to come to,
823
00:46:23,847 --> 00:46:25,549
to stop taking antiretrovirals,
824
00:46:25,582 --> 00:46:28,152
with such a disease that has a big stigma about it.
825
00:46:28,185 --> 00:46:32,956
If you ignore it, you will die of a destroyed immune system.
826
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:35,859
But then I was introduced to this group of HIV dissidents,
827
00:46:35,893 --> 00:46:39,463
of which I know there are quite a lot around the world.
828
00:46:39,496 --> 00:46:41,765
It was phenomenal and it was shocking at the same time,
829
00:46:41,798 --> 00:46:43,734
to watch and see people
830
00:46:44,801 --> 00:46:47,004
who had been diagnosed 20, 30 years ago
831
00:46:47,037 --> 00:46:50,407
and refused to take medications still alive today.
832
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,409
I believe the only thing that will ever kill me
833
00:46:52,442 --> 00:46:56,613
is to continually hard hit my body with drink and drugs.
834
00:47:02,052 --> 00:47:04,555
- When I get an email from a patient
835
00:47:04,588 --> 00:47:07,191
saying that HIV does not exist,
836
00:47:08,926 --> 00:47:10,093
you would think my immediate reaction
837
00:47:10,127 --> 00:47:11,828
would be, you know, nonsense.
838
00:47:11,862 --> 00:47:13,263
How ridiculous.
839
00:47:13,297 --> 00:47:16,533
But no, my first reaction is empathy.
840
00:47:16,567 --> 00:47:19,903
I get how traumatic an HIV diagnosis is.
841
00:47:24,875 --> 00:47:27,411
The stigma and the trauma is gonna come
842
00:47:27,444 --> 00:47:30,781
with a variety of responses and reactions and beliefs.
843
00:47:30,814 --> 00:47:32,516
This is a bitchin' virus
844
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:35,986
and it's a bitch of a thing to live with.
845
00:47:41,725 --> 00:47:43,794
I struggled with, I've been HIV for a very long time.
846
00:47:43,827 --> 00:47:46,063
I've been HIV for 23 years.
847
00:47:48,031 --> 00:47:49,333
People are scared to touch you
848
00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:50,667
and there are conversations at dinner tables
849
00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:52,669
about drinking out of the same glass
850
00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:57,507
and then there's the confusion of the doctors around you.
851
00:47:57,541 --> 00:47:59,776
And all the while, you're in the midst of all this confusion
852
00:47:59,810 --> 00:48:01,645
knowing that you feel terrible,
853
00:48:01,678 --> 00:48:04,281
it gets worse and then you die.
854
00:48:18,996 --> 00:48:20,430
When I first moved in here,
855
00:48:20,464 --> 00:48:23,634
I'd been living with AIDS as the UK defines it,
856
00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:27,537
which is having five AIDS defining illnesses.
857
00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:29,439
I had a sofa along here.
858
00:48:29,473 --> 00:48:31,441
I'd had a nail in the wall,
859
00:48:31,475 --> 00:48:33,443
which I would hang my drip on.
860
00:48:33,477 --> 00:48:35,545
So everyday, for two hours, I would plug myself in,
861
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:37,614
hang my drip up and watch TV.
862
00:48:37,648 --> 00:48:39,883
It was over in the corner before we had cable.
863
00:48:39,916 --> 00:48:42,653
It was a terrible end way to die.
864
00:48:46,556 --> 00:48:47,791
I had one friend that came around
865
00:48:47,824 --> 00:48:49,559
with two grams of coke every Thursday night.
866
00:48:49,593 --> 00:48:50,527
She said David, "You're gonna die.
867
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,862
"Let's have a good time."
868
00:48:51,895 --> 00:48:55,399
So yeah, on that sofa, with my drip up there,
869
00:48:55,432 --> 00:48:57,367
we'd get high on cocaine.
870
00:48:57,401 --> 00:48:59,603
I guess speaking therapeutically,
871
00:48:59,636 --> 00:49:02,739
I was learning that that time,
872
00:49:02,773 --> 00:49:04,207
at that very vulnerable time,
873
00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:07,477
that drugs served a purpose in making you feel good.
874
00:49:07,511 --> 00:49:09,946
And when you do learn tools when you're vulnerable,
875
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:12,015
it's hard to let go because they work.
876
00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:13,250
It worked.
877
00:49:13,283 --> 00:49:16,053
I felt good for six hours once a week.
878
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:23,627
And there was lots of experimental times.
879
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:26,630
There were lots of trials they would put you on,
880
00:49:26,663 --> 00:49:28,098
but really, the protease inhibitors,
881
00:49:28,131 --> 00:49:29,199
when they were invented,
882
00:49:29,232 --> 00:49:30,801
awesome, awesome things.
883
00:49:30,834 --> 00:49:34,304
They are still part of the antiretroviral therapy now.
884
00:49:34,338 --> 00:49:35,205
They made you vomit.
885
00:49:35,238 --> 00:49:36,807
It was like 12 pills.
886
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,775
They were giant, big things covered in wax
887
00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:40,043
'cause they were so big.
888
00:49:40,077 --> 00:49:41,445
The wax would help you swallow them.
889
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:42,646
But they worked.
890
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:44,114
Within a month, I started to look good.
891
00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:46,083
Put on weight, feel good, having energy.
892
00:49:46,116 --> 00:49:47,150
It was so dramatic.
893
00:49:47,184 --> 00:49:48,352
It wasn't like you get to adapt
894
00:49:48,385 --> 00:49:49,786
to this over a six month period.
895
00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:53,223
It was like within a month, just so good.
896
00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:58,628
Then you have to figure, "What do I do with this?"
897
00:50:01,631 --> 00:50:03,600
I had money because I had some benefits.
898
00:50:03,633 --> 00:50:04,801
I had my health.
899
00:50:04,835 --> 00:50:06,336
I had my trauma.
900
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:10,273
And I had a scene outside my door, a gay scene.
901
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:13,543
And a whole lot of things I needed,
902
00:50:13,577 --> 00:50:17,647
like intimacy, friends, being part of a community, sex.
903
00:50:20,417 --> 00:50:21,852
And crystal meth.
904
00:50:23,286 --> 00:50:24,521
There was no mephedrone then.
905
00:50:24,554 --> 00:50:25,989
I was never into G.
906
00:50:26,022 --> 00:50:28,959
But crystal meth, it tapped into something I needed.
907
00:50:28,992 --> 00:50:32,295
It served the purpose that I needed at the time.
908
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:33,797
And so there was another decade missing,
909
00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:36,767
so before I knew it, I was like 40 and still missed out
910
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,137
on like a whole adult life of normality.
911
00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:47,310
What's amazing about chemsex now is an unidentifiable issue.
912
00:50:47,344 --> 00:50:49,279
It looks to some people like a whole bunch
913
00:50:49,312 --> 00:50:52,482
of greedy, self-indulgent, promiscuous gay boys
914
00:50:52,516 --> 00:50:54,484
going out having fun on drugs.
915
00:50:54,518 --> 00:50:57,187
It's more complicated than that.
916
00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:21,711
Don't worry about the weather.
917
00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:23,079
Nothing's stopped Pride before.
918
00:51:23,113 --> 00:51:24,648
The law didn't stop Pride.
919
00:51:24,681 --> 00:51:26,616
Riots didn't stop Pride.
920
00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:28,752
Haters didn't stop Pride.
921
00:51:32,889 --> 00:51:33,890
What do you think this street will be like
922
00:51:33,924 --> 00:51:35,759
at five o'clock today?
923
00:51:36,726 --> 00:51:38,462
- Packed, absolutely rammed.
924
00:51:38,495 --> 00:51:41,832
And people'll be going and doing drugs in toilets.
925
00:51:41,865 --> 00:51:43,433
There'll be a lot of people linking up saying,
926
00:51:43,467 --> 00:51:45,168
"Oh, come on, meet with me tonight.
927
00:51:45,202 --> 00:51:46,703
"We'll go to this party."
928
00:51:46,736 --> 00:51:48,238
And they'll forget they've
929
00:51:48,271 --> 00:51:49,739
got all the alcohol in their bodies.
930
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:53,677
They'll start taking G and G, alcohol, not good together.
931
00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:55,812
Straight to A&E Hospital.
932
00:51:58,648 --> 00:52:01,451
Point about Pride is just to remember all the crap
933
00:52:01,485 --> 00:52:03,687
the gay people have been put through this year,
934
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,156
like with what's going on in Russia,
935
00:52:06,189 --> 00:52:08,124
homophobic attacks in Vauxhall,
936
00:52:08,158 --> 00:52:10,827
people getting acid thrown in the face.
937
00:52:10,861 --> 00:52:13,964
Sometimes you can understand why people
938
00:52:13,997 --> 00:52:16,433
want to get out and get twatted off their face,
939
00:52:16,466 --> 00:52:20,003
because it's escapism from all the crap
940
00:52:20,036 --> 00:52:22,038
that they've gone through through this year.
941
00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:24,341
(cheering)
942
00:52:39,456 --> 00:52:41,057
- I've been a psychotherapist for 30 years
943
00:52:41,091 --> 00:52:42,292
and worked as a sex therapist
944
00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:45,729
for pretty much all of that time.
945
00:52:45,762 --> 00:52:46,963
There's been this idea
946
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:48,265
around the good gays and the bad gays.
947
00:52:48,298 --> 00:52:49,866
The good gays get married and settle down
948
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,602
and reproduce like heterosexuals
949
00:52:52,636 --> 00:52:54,070
and assimilate into society
950
00:52:54,104 --> 00:52:55,138
and then there are the bad gays
951
00:52:55,171 --> 00:52:57,207
who party and take drugs
952
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,242
and have sex with anonymous strangers
953
00:52:59,276 --> 00:53:01,344
as if there's a kind of binary.
954
00:53:01,378 --> 00:53:04,214
I think it's more complex than that.
955
00:53:04,247 --> 00:53:07,150
Not everybody wants to assimilate.
956
00:53:07,183 --> 00:53:08,718
We've always been outside.
957
00:53:08,752 --> 00:53:10,620
We've always been on the margins.
958
00:53:10,654 --> 00:53:12,622
We write our own rules.
959
00:53:12,656 --> 00:53:15,425
We make our own relationships.
960
00:53:15,458 --> 00:53:18,895
We don't follow a heterosexual norm.
961
00:53:18,929 --> 00:53:21,198
Gay men grow up in a society where they feel
962
00:53:21,231 --> 00:53:24,801
they're mad, bad, or dangerous to know.
963
00:53:24,834 --> 00:53:27,737
Many times I think we police ourselves
964
00:53:27,771 --> 00:53:29,673
and we turn it inwards.
965
00:53:32,242 --> 00:53:34,778
And shame is probably one of the most common
966
00:53:34,811 --> 00:53:38,982
underlining issues that I see in my consulting room.
967
00:53:40,383 --> 00:53:43,453
Shame and a hyper-vigilance to being pathologized
968
00:53:43,486 --> 00:53:46,923
or being seen as mad, bad or dangerous to know,
969
00:53:46,957 --> 00:53:49,626
permeates the lives of all of us
970
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,830
who are queer to some degree or another.
971
00:54:08,378 --> 00:54:12,282
- I used to work in television a long time ago,
972
00:54:12,315 --> 00:54:15,719
but now I own a gay gym and sauna
973
00:54:15,752 --> 00:54:17,921
in London called Sweatbox.
974
00:54:19,322 --> 00:54:21,191
Pretty much within the last 18 months to a year,
975
00:54:21,224 --> 00:54:23,893
something dramatic has happened.
976
00:54:25,328 --> 00:54:26,696
- [Voiceover] What would you say to someone who would argue
977
00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:29,065
that you are potentially part of that?
978
00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:32,702
- Because I own a sexy based establishment?
979
00:54:36,506 --> 00:54:38,575
Well, I am part of it.
980
00:54:38,608 --> 00:54:39,876
We are all part of it.
981
00:54:39,909 --> 00:54:41,778
We all have sex.
982
00:54:41,811 --> 00:54:43,179
I think everybody wants to blame everybody
983
00:54:43,213 --> 00:54:46,216
except the people that are actually,
984
00:54:47,684 --> 00:54:51,855
that really need to acknowledge that it is their problem.
985
00:54:55,258 --> 00:54:57,293
- Can we ask the audience here who feels
986
00:54:57,327 --> 00:54:59,863
that chemsex is kind of a normalized part
987
00:54:59,896 --> 00:55:04,067
of something you have to deal with when you're online?
988
00:55:59,923 --> 00:56:01,458
- So here, no drinks allowed,
989
00:56:01,491 --> 00:56:05,662
because drinks is how they bring GBL into the building.
990
00:56:06,763 --> 00:56:09,532
Zero tolerance warning.
991
00:56:09,566 --> 00:56:13,770
Every locker has a G zero tolerance and reminder,
992
00:56:13,803 --> 00:56:15,105
"Do you really want your friends and family
993
00:56:15,138 --> 00:56:18,808
"finding out you died in a gay sauna?"
994
00:56:18,842 --> 00:56:23,012
That actually, this is not a nice place to end your days.
995
00:56:27,851 --> 00:56:29,786
Two massage rooms here.
996
00:56:29,819 --> 00:56:31,154
We come through,
997
00:56:34,457 --> 00:56:35,892
the jacuzzi bath.
998
00:56:38,962 --> 00:56:42,298
Two steam rooms, you can see steam room.
999
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:44,701
That's what it is.
1000
00:56:48,404 --> 00:56:52,008
There are kids coming to London from all over the world
1001
00:56:52,041 --> 00:56:55,345
hearing about the great London gay club scene
1002
00:56:55,378 --> 00:56:58,114
and all the drugs and all the wild parties
1003
00:56:58,148 --> 00:57:00,083
and they go, "Well, that's obviously what you're supposed
1004
00:57:00,116 --> 00:57:04,020
to do and can I have some too, please?"
1005
00:57:04,053 --> 00:57:06,723
For most of the rest of the world,
1006
00:57:06,756 --> 00:57:10,593
this is the best place to be gay in the world.
1007
00:57:13,696 --> 00:57:15,565
We do live in a culture, the gay culture,
1008
00:57:15,598 --> 00:57:17,700
that is always about excess.
1009
00:57:17,734 --> 00:57:18,768
It's about the biggest cock,
1010
00:57:18,802 --> 00:57:19,702
the most amount of drugs,
1011
00:57:19,736 --> 00:57:21,871
the longest you've ever partied.
1012
00:57:21,905 --> 00:57:23,173
Just by that's what you see.
1013
00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:27,076
The vast majority of us are not like that
1014
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:30,613
and I think this is the danger of externalizing,
1015
00:57:30,647 --> 00:57:33,049
looking for external causes of the problem.
1016
00:57:33,082 --> 00:57:34,751
The problem's only on the inside.
1017
00:57:34,784 --> 00:57:37,153
The problem is we're normalizing a type
1018
00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:39,422
of behavior that's extreme.
1019
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:45,328
I have this on my iPad at home,
1020
00:57:45,361 --> 00:57:46,796
'cause I sit at home.
1021
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:48,798
Particularly I look at the locker room,
1022
00:57:48,832 --> 00:57:50,600
'cause that's where you can see people
1023
00:57:50,633 --> 00:57:52,602
going back to their lockers rather too often,
1024
00:57:52,635 --> 00:57:53,770
which means that they're taking something
1025
00:57:53,803 --> 00:57:55,305
out of there they shouldn't be.
1026
00:57:55,338 --> 00:57:58,708
Yes, we have the wall of shame.
1027
00:57:58,741 --> 00:58:03,146
We have somewhere between 16 and 20,000 people
1028
00:58:03,179 --> 00:58:05,215
coming through our doors a month.
1029
00:58:05,248 --> 00:58:07,617
We had a death here and I'm not gonna allow
1030
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:09,586
that to happen again.
1031
00:58:09,619 --> 00:58:12,155
We had two guys in a couple of weeks ago,
1032
00:58:12,188 --> 00:58:14,824
one of them overdosed on GHB.
1033
00:58:14,858 --> 00:58:16,960
His partner didn't give a fuck.
1034
00:58:16,993 --> 00:58:19,062
He was off trying to pick up other guys
1035
00:58:19,095 --> 00:58:21,965
and fooling around while we were nursing his boyfriend
1036
00:58:21,998 --> 00:58:25,301
in and out of a coma and then suddenly,
1037
00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:27,070
the partner went down, as well.
1038
00:58:27,103 --> 00:58:29,606
So by that time, the ambulance had come,
1039
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:31,074
took them both away.
1040
00:58:31,107 --> 00:58:33,109
They were both comatose.
1041
00:58:34,244 --> 00:58:35,712
They were hospitalized.
1042
00:58:35,745 --> 00:58:38,915
They recovered, they were fine.
1043
00:58:38,948 --> 00:58:40,850
The next day, one of their friends smuggled G
1044
00:58:40,884 --> 00:58:42,452
into the hospital.
1045
00:58:42,485 --> 00:58:43,686
They took it again.
1046
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,355
Both of them went back into the coma.
1047
00:58:45,388 --> 00:58:47,724
That's the level of the problem we're dealing with.
1048
00:58:47,757 --> 00:58:49,859
But that's specific to G.
1049
00:58:52,862 --> 00:58:55,331
A lot of gay men have died from GBL.
1050
00:58:55,365 --> 00:58:58,368
Far more than actually I think we realize,
1051
00:58:58,401 --> 00:59:01,738
because toxicologists tend to say a cocktail of drugs
1052
00:59:01,771 --> 00:59:03,306
when they find all the others in there
1053
00:59:03,339 --> 00:59:05,208
and don't acknowledge that the active ingredient
1054
00:59:05,241 --> 00:59:07,076
and every time is GBL.
1055
00:59:16,286 --> 00:59:19,355
(dark ominous music)
1056
00:59:35,204 --> 00:59:38,141
- This world spirals quite quickly.
1057
00:59:41,344 --> 00:59:42,345
I was out...
1058
00:59:49,385 --> 00:59:51,387
looking for a good time.
1059
00:59:58,695 --> 01:00:01,230
I thought I was going to this guy's house
1060
01:00:01,264 --> 01:00:02,999
to go to a chill-out.
1061
01:00:04,867 --> 01:00:06,869
I met him on the street.
1062
01:00:19,382 --> 01:00:20,283
If I knew I was waking up on the floor of a bathroom,
1063
01:00:20,316 --> 01:00:22,719
not knowing what they've done,
1064
01:00:49,379 --> 01:00:50,880
I'd never done it.
1065
01:01:03,426 --> 01:01:05,928
There's humiliation you suffer
1066
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:11,401
when you put yourself into these situations.
1067
01:01:20,043 --> 01:01:22,311
And of course, you've gotta
1068
01:01:23,646 --> 01:01:27,283
live with all these thoughts and all this pain.
1069
01:01:31,721 --> 01:01:32,688
It's shit, so what do you do?
1070
01:01:32,722 --> 01:01:34,490
You get high.
1071
01:01:34,524 --> 01:01:37,593
I just put it to the back of my mind.
1072
01:01:38,494 --> 01:01:40,263
And so I got wrecked.
1073
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:48,404
I fucked any guy that pretty much came onto me.
1074
01:01:48,438 --> 01:01:49,872
In these parties,
1075
01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:55,545
you could get up to 50, 60 guys when it's all through.
1076
01:01:58,848 --> 01:02:02,452
It's promising that little bit of escapism.
1077
01:02:19,068 --> 01:02:21,671
(men chatting)
1078
01:03:05,581 --> 01:03:07,083
(moaning)
1079
01:03:07,116 --> 01:03:10,586
- [Voiceover] Slamming Tina, it is the most experience,
1080
01:03:16,526 --> 01:03:19,128
when you come off on it, it's amazing.
1081
01:03:19,162 --> 01:03:21,264
Bizarrely, there is something slightly sexual
1082
01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:23,466
about the act of doing it.
1083
01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:26,102
It's quite intimate.
1084
01:03:26,135 --> 01:03:27,537
It's quite horny.
1085
01:03:29,872 --> 01:03:33,809
Now, I get a hard on while it's being prepared.
1086
01:03:37,647 --> 01:03:41,184
- If slamming would be as easy as every time you slam,
1087
01:03:41,217 --> 01:03:42,919
you got the high, you hit the vein correctly
1088
01:03:42,952 --> 01:03:44,287
and it was safe,
1089
01:03:45,454 --> 01:03:48,291
I would say, wow, this is amazing.
1090
01:03:50,626 --> 01:03:52,161
I really don't know what happened.
1091
01:03:52,195 --> 01:03:54,363
I thought I'd hit the vein correctly,
1092
01:03:54,397 --> 01:03:55,531
but I obviously didn't.
1093
01:03:55,565 --> 01:03:59,202
I injected the solution under the tissue
1094
01:03:59,235 --> 01:04:00,403
and just to show you,
1095
01:04:00,436 --> 01:04:02,371
I'd like you can focus on the other arm,
1096
01:04:02,405 --> 01:04:05,041
you can see these kind of lumpy areas.
1097
01:04:05,074 --> 01:04:07,009
Again, this is from overusing veins.
1098
01:04:07,043 --> 01:04:08,978
It gets all very hard.
1099
01:04:09,011 --> 01:04:11,948
- There's a younger boy, he took his clothes off
1100
01:04:11,981 --> 01:04:15,651
and half of his arm, it was purple.
1101
01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:19,922
Because mephedrone is so bad for your vision,
1102
01:04:19,956 --> 01:04:21,891
he had basically blood.
1103
01:04:24,193 --> 01:04:28,197
- The line between reality and fantasy blurs.
1104
01:04:28,231 --> 01:04:29,932
If people are doing that each weekend,
1105
01:04:29,966 --> 01:04:32,935
they're perhaps not even living at all.
1106
01:04:32,969 --> 01:04:35,705
They might actually just be the walking dead.
1107
01:04:35,738 --> 01:04:37,506
- One day, I freaking out
1108
01:04:37,540 --> 01:04:41,611
that I don't even notice that it was a week gone.
1109
01:04:44,847 --> 01:04:45,681
A week.
1110
01:04:48,618 --> 01:04:52,989
- I pulled my teeth out psychotically with a screwdriver.
1111
01:04:53,022 --> 01:04:54,890
I weighed seven stone
1112
01:04:54,924 --> 01:04:56,392
and I sprayed myself bright orange
1113
01:04:56,425 --> 01:04:58,327
to make myself look healthy,
1114
01:04:58,361 --> 01:05:01,831
which was probably the most insane part of it.
1115
01:05:01,864 --> 01:05:03,766
- Drug induced psychosis is a frightening thing,
1116
01:05:03,799 --> 01:05:05,234
for people to feel they're being followed
1117
01:05:05,268 --> 01:05:07,770
by vans with darkened windows.
1118
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:11,474
They get home and they think their computers
1119
01:05:11,507 --> 01:05:13,643
are bugged and they can't use their computer or their phone.
1120
01:05:13,676 --> 01:05:15,077
They're convinced that they're being watched
1121
01:05:15,111 --> 01:05:18,314
through the webcam and entirely convinced of this.
1122
01:05:18,347 --> 01:05:20,349
It's a very normal consequence of being awake
1123
01:05:20,383 --> 01:05:22,752
for three days on this powerful drug.
1124
01:05:22,785 --> 01:05:25,688
- [Voiceover] When was the last time you slammed, Miguel?
1125
01:05:25,721 --> 01:05:28,157
- This morning around six AM.
1126
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:32,762
It's like one minute I was fine
1127
01:05:32,795 --> 01:05:34,130
and the other day I was taking all the covers
1128
01:05:34,163 --> 01:05:36,098
I could find in the flat and going inside them
1129
01:05:36,132 --> 01:05:37,333
and saying, "What is wrong?
1130
01:05:37,366 --> 01:05:38,401
"I have a fever.
1131
01:05:38,434 --> 01:05:39,869
"Maybe I injected a bacteria."
1132
01:05:39,902 --> 01:05:43,906
My head was like, "I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die.
1133
01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:50,613
(groaning ominous music)
1134
01:06:21,277 --> 01:06:25,081
It was 40 now, five of water and a bit of my blood
1135
01:06:25,114 --> 01:06:26,949
and I did all of that.
1136
01:06:34,123 --> 01:06:35,725
- [Voiceover] What are you checking for?
1137
01:06:35,758 --> 01:06:38,260
- I did not put the lock, so if he comes in,
1138
01:06:38,294 --> 01:06:39,462
'cause I don't want him
1139
01:06:39,495 --> 01:06:42,465
to discover the whole story, by mistake.
1140
01:06:48,971 --> 01:06:50,039
That depends.
1141
01:06:56,846 --> 01:06:58,814
I have a self-destruct button.
1142
01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:01,250
I press it quite a few times.
1143
01:07:02,318 --> 01:07:04,086
I got clean five months, then two months,
1144
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,021
then one month and a half, then one month,
1145
01:07:06,055 --> 01:07:09,592
and now I can barely stay clean two weeks.
1146
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,002
Like I hear things that are not here
1147
01:07:20,035 --> 01:07:23,539
and when I close my eyes it all disappears
1148
01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:26,142
and once I thought I heard somebody,
1149
01:07:26,175 --> 01:07:30,646
an angel saying, "But he doesn't know he's isn't addicted."
1150
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:32,515
And if I do that,
1151
01:07:32,548 --> 01:07:35,050
I don't hear anything anymore.
1152
01:07:39,121 --> 01:07:40,790
I'm making it worse.
1153
01:08:00,109 --> 01:08:02,611
Last time I had slamming stop,
1154
01:08:03,846 --> 01:08:06,582
because sometimes I have done it.
1155
01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:17,793
No, I will insist (mumbling).
1156
01:08:17,827 --> 01:08:19,495
For some reason, no.
1157
01:08:30,573 --> 01:08:33,275
- [Voiceover] Just one last thing.
1158
01:08:33,309 --> 01:08:34,977
What's your message?
1159
01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:43,185
- My message would be this is a disease.
1160
01:08:43,219 --> 01:08:45,054
This is not something you can slap out of
1161
01:08:45,087 --> 01:08:47,289
and say, "I'm not taking drugs anymore."
1162
01:08:47,323 --> 01:08:48,324
You have to put in the work.
1163
01:08:48,357 --> 01:08:49,959
You have to be in contact.
1164
01:08:49,992 --> 01:08:51,794
Don't let the drug control you.
1165
01:08:51,827 --> 01:08:53,796
'Cause if they do control me,
1166
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:56,565
I don't have the ability to stop.
1167
01:09:07,409 --> 01:09:09,678
- [Simon] It's now nearly nine o'clock.
1168
01:09:09,712 --> 01:09:13,048
I have some meth in my back pocket
1169
01:09:13,082 --> 01:09:15,351
and I've not taken any yet.
1170
01:09:15,384 --> 01:09:16,552
I have to admit,
1171
01:09:16,585 --> 01:09:19,688
the more I drink, the more I'm tempted.
1172
01:09:19,722 --> 01:09:21,957
It's now nearly 10 o'clock.
1173
01:09:21,991 --> 01:09:25,761
I caved in and did my first sniff in the loo.
1174
01:09:28,330 --> 01:09:30,099
Now that I've come home,
1175
01:09:30,132 --> 01:09:33,435
I'm awake and wanting to get on the internet
1176
01:09:33,469 --> 01:09:34,803
to look for men.
1177
01:09:36,105 --> 01:09:38,107
I just did another slam
1178
01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:40,476
and it didn't get me really high,
1179
01:09:40,509 --> 01:09:45,047
but being online, I'm on Grindr at the moment.
1180
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,549
So, yeah.
1181
01:09:46,582 --> 01:09:50,586
I think it is difficult to stop a ball rolling now.
1182
01:10:01,931 --> 01:10:04,767
- It's our third session together.
1183
01:10:06,135 --> 01:10:08,404
We're just hoping, fingers crossed, he's broken his cycle.
1184
01:10:08,437 --> 01:10:10,906
If not, we battle on.
1185
01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:12,274
- [Elevator] Floor three.
1186
01:10:12,308 --> 01:10:14,843
- Almost 48 since I last slammed, yeah.
1187
01:10:14,877 --> 01:10:15,711
48 hours.
1188
01:10:18,681 --> 01:10:19,848
- [David] When did you start to become aware
1189
01:10:19,882 --> 01:10:22,017
that you wanted to use?
1190
01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:26,255
- Because I had stuff on me and because I was drinking.
1191
01:10:26,288 --> 01:10:31,193
So again, it was almost a well, I've got stuff on me,
1192
01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:33,996
I'm drinking, it's gonna happen.
1193
01:10:34,029 --> 01:10:35,231
And so I did.
1194
01:10:35,264 --> 01:10:37,600
The trigger just run away with itself.
1195
01:10:37,633 --> 01:10:40,169
It's like when you're so used to doing something,
1196
01:10:40,202 --> 01:10:42,271
to suddenly say this is my last time,
1197
01:10:42,304 --> 01:10:43,372
it's painful.
1198
01:10:45,507 --> 01:10:46,842
Okay, this is...
1199
01:10:49,812 --> 01:10:51,046
Sunday morning.
1200
01:10:52,448 --> 01:10:55,117
Anyway, I'm off to a guy's flat.
1201
01:10:57,753 --> 01:11:00,356
Well here I am at a guy's house
1202
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:05,027
and we've been doing mephedrone together.
1203
01:11:08,664 --> 01:11:11,433
I've had a really good time
1204
01:11:11,467 --> 01:11:13,736
and a really great weekend.
1205
01:11:15,004 --> 01:11:17,072
And I'm kind of almost ashamed to go back
1206
01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:18,540
and to admit that
1207
01:11:23,779 --> 01:11:27,683
I've just been doing the same old stuff really.
1208
01:11:29,418 --> 01:11:31,553
- There is something really desperately unhappy
1209
01:11:31,587 --> 01:11:34,256
and kind of desperate that you don't spend
1210
01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:37,393
a lot of time thinking about.
1211
01:11:37,426 --> 01:11:41,263
That you're reluctant to talk to me about.
1212
01:11:41,297 --> 01:11:45,367
And you spend a lot of time not letting it get in
1213
01:11:47,436 --> 01:11:49,138
and the more drugs you do,
1214
01:11:49,171 --> 01:11:51,373
the more denial takes over and you push that away
1215
01:11:51,407 --> 01:11:54,910
and that's just not gonna do you any good.
1216
01:11:56,278 --> 01:11:57,079
What?
1217
01:11:57,112 --> 01:11:57,913
- I don't know.
1218
01:11:57,946 --> 01:11:59,882
I just feel ridiculous.
1219
01:12:00,949 --> 01:12:02,384
This is so silly.
1220
01:12:03,986 --> 01:12:07,890
It's silly that you even question it, isn't it?
1221
01:12:15,064 --> 01:12:17,232
(sobbing)
1222
01:12:27,509 --> 01:12:29,445
It's so fucking stupid.
1223
01:12:47,162 --> 01:12:48,664
- [Voiceover] Nice to see you all again.
1224
01:12:48,697 --> 01:12:52,167
Welcome to Let's Talk About Gay Sex and Drugs at Manbar.
1225
01:12:55,104 --> 01:12:56,572
We go to clubs, we take the drugs.
1226
01:12:56,605 --> 01:12:59,007
There's nothing more to judge, but why?
1227
01:12:59,041 --> 01:12:59,842
Why?
1228
01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:01,110
Because it's fun.
1229
01:13:01,143 --> 01:13:02,077
We dance and snort and sniff and kiss.
1230
01:13:02,111 --> 01:13:03,545
We don't ever need to sleep.
1231
01:13:03,579 --> 01:13:05,681
The meth keeps you up, the G makes you horny,
1232
01:13:05,714 --> 01:13:06,949
the crystal even more so
1233
01:13:06,982 --> 01:13:10,319
and the sex is the best you've ever had.
1234
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:13,589
But there's a problem, I said.
1235
01:13:13,622 --> 01:13:15,991
Beneath the skin there's a dragon stirring.
1236
01:13:16,024 --> 01:13:17,526
You can only dance with it so often
1237
01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:19,762
before it burns and bites.
1238
01:13:19,795 --> 01:13:21,563
Why am I even speaking to you right now?
1239
01:13:21,597 --> 01:13:22,831
Why?
1240
01:13:22,865 --> 01:13:24,433
Because underneath the sex and drugs,
1241
01:13:24,466 --> 01:13:26,301
hidden in the dragon's shadow,
1242
01:13:26,335 --> 01:13:28,437
I feel there might yet exist
1243
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:30,606
an irresistible wish for love.
1244
01:13:30,639 --> 01:13:32,241
(applause)
1245
01:13:32,274 --> 01:13:34,076
- Got my pocket as go for the toilet,
1246
01:13:34,109 --> 01:13:35,644
pull out a bag, insert a key,
1247
01:13:35,677 --> 01:13:37,045
powder heaped and I snort it.
1248
01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:38,313
I agree.
1249
01:13:38,347 --> 01:13:39,181
Lunatic.
1250
01:13:40,382 --> 01:13:43,018
- Why pretend your love must accompany erection?
1251
01:13:43,051 --> 01:13:45,020
This is a moment free affection,
1252
01:13:45,053 --> 01:13:47,589
a curiosity bound to end.
1253
01:13:47,623 --> 01:13:49,958
Which as good human muscle may,
1254
01:13:49,992 --> 01:13:52,027
against the muscle try it's strength,
1255
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:54,163
exhausted into sleep at length
1256
01:13:54,196 --> 01:13:56,865
and will not last long into day.
1257
01:13:58,467 --> 01:14:01,804
(applause and cheering)
1258
01:14:07,342 --> 01:14:10,212
- When I was in the chemsex scene,
1259
01:14:10,245 --> 01:14:13,515
I was looking for someone who was caring and loving.
1260
01:14:13,549 --> 01:14:16,952
And obviously, you can't find that there.
1261
01:14:55,591 --> 01:14:57,693
When you are in crystal meth and you are slamming
1262
01:14:57,726 --> 01:15:02,130
and you are injecting crystal meth to other people,
1263
01:15:02,164 --> 01:15:03,499
you are taking a really high risk
1264
01:15:03,532 --> 01:15:06,568
and you have a big responsibility,
1265
01:15:06,602 --> 01:15:07,836
not only for your health,
1266
01:15:07,870 --> 01:15:11,373
also for a lot of people around you.
1267
01:15:11,406 --> 01:15:13,041
Now that I have my brain clean,
1268
01:15:13,075 --> 01:15:14,543
I can see properly.
1269
01:15:14,576 --> 01:15:18,413
It's like oh my God, this is really, really not okay.
1270
01:15:19,615 --> 01:15:22,751
I have to think what I want in my future.
1271
01:15:22,784 --> 01:15:25,020
I don't wanna hide anymore.
1272
01:15:26,355 --> 01:15:27,956
I want to help people.
1273
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:30,459
You know, maybe feel really good.
1274
01:15:30,492 --> 01:15:31,326
Sorry.
1275
01:15:50,078 --> 01:15:50,979
- These are new trends.
1276
01:15:51,013 --> 01:15:52,948
Crystal meth, G and mephedrone.
1277
01:15:52,981 --> 01:15:55,417
Crystal meth looks like this.
1278
01:15:57,219 --> 01:15:59,655
It's called Tina, like Tina Turner.
1279
01:15:59,688 --> 01:16:01,990
Talking about drugs and chemsex every day,
1280
01:16:02,024 --> 01:16:04,359
do you think that would be something that triggers you
1281
01:16:04,393 --> 01:16:06,662
or that helps you in your recovery?
1282
01:16:06,695 --> 01:16:10,532
- I can see exactly all the risks that I took
1283
01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:14,102
when I was on the effects of drugs
1284
01:16:14,136 --> 01:16:17,105
and now it's like I can see clearly what I want.
1285
01:16:17,139 --> 01:16:18,840
It's helping me definitely to develop
1286
01:16:18,874 --> 01:16:20,943
and go on in my recovery.
1287
01:16:23,111 --> 01:16:24,813
We are here to support them.
1288
01:16:24,846 --> 01:16:27,149
Help them whatever they want to achieve.
1289
01:16:27,182 --> 01:16:28,717
I'm not gonna be judgmental
1290
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:32,087
in the sense that they can trust us,
1291
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,958
no matter what happened, we are gonna be here.
1292
01:16:43,098 --> 01:16:45,434
You know where I've been in hell,
1293
01:16:45,467 --> 01:16:48,036
the worst consequences is over.
1294
01:16:49,638 --> 01:16:52,574
Now, coping with reality is doable.
1295
01:16:55,177 --> 01:16:56,678
I'm facing my fears.
1296
01:16:56,712 --> 01:16:57,879
I'm proud of myself.
1297
01:16:57,913 --> 01:16:59,848
I'm not scared anymore.
1298
01:17:08,890 --> 01:17:11,093
- The experience of a gay man growing up different,
1299
01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:13,161
they might be in safe, loving homes,
1300
01:17:13,195 --> 01:17:15,497
but they might not experience it as safe and loving,
1301
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:17,199
because they've got this secret.
1302
01:17:17,232 --> 01:17:19,735
Being at camp, at school and being bullied,
1303
01:17:19,768 --> 01:17:22,204
having the odd effeminate reaction to something
1304
01:17:22,237 --> 01:17:24,106
and knowing that's wrong, that's bad,
1305
01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:25,907
that gets me judged, that gets me beaten up,
1306
01:17:25,941 --> 01:17:27,075
that gets me rejected,
1307
01:17:27,109 --> 01:17:28,610
so I must become hyper-vigilant.
1308
01:17:28,643 --> 01:17:29,845
Don't let that happen again.
1309
01:17:29,878 --> 01:17:31,046
There's something different and wrong
1310
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:33,849
and unlikable about my very nature.
1311
01:17:35,984 --> 01:17:39,354
So what we have is a kind of population of gay men
1312
01:17:39,388 --> 01:17:42,758
that are trying to incorporate intimacy
1313
01:17:42,791 --> 01:17:44,693
into their sex lives and their romantic lives
1314
01:17:44,726 --> 01:17:47,229
in the middle of an HIV epidemic.
1315
01:17:47,262 --> 01:17:49,765
There's no frame of reference.
1316
01:18:00,742 --> 01:18:04,379
- There is something about chemsex,
1317
01:18:04,413 --> 01:18:07,916
the privacy, the secrecy, the furtiveness,
1318
01:18:07,949 --> 01:18:12,020
that feels like it's part of it, otherwise shame.
1319
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:18,360
It doesn't feel bold and open and in public and kind of
1320
01:18:18,393 --> 01:18:21,797
out there in a kind of out and proud way.
1321
01:18:26,101 --> 01:18:30,138
- Addressing the HIV epidemic should not have been about
1322
01:18:30,172 --> 01:18:34,276
medicine, dispensing condoms and getting people tested.
1323
01:18:34,309 --> 01:18:38,313
It should have been about addressing homophobia,
1324
01:18:39,714 --> 01:18:44,052
internalized homophobia, equal rights and well being
1325
01:18:44,086 --> 01:18:46,188
and we fell down there.
1326
01:18:46,221 --> 01:18:48,356
And we have the results here right now.
1327
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:49,925
- Life is getting better.
1328
01:18:49,958 --> 01:18:51,593
This problem is getting worse.
1329
01:18:51,626 --> 01:18:53,462
What's going on?
1330
01:18:53,495 --> 01:18:55,497
What are we doing wrong?
1331
01:18:57,299 --> 01:18:59,134
- A good majority of my life I've wasted
1332
01:18:59,167 --> 01:19:02,971
by fighting a cause that meant nothing.
1333
01:19:03,004 --> 01:19:05,040
To fight for the right to be gay,
1334
01:19:05,073 --> 01:19:07,576
to fight for the right for what they believe in
1335
01:19:07,609 --> 01:19:09,444
and then to go and destroy it all
1336
01:19:09,478 --> 01:19:11,847
by becoming a drug fuck mess,
1337
01:19:13,648 --> 01:19:16,184
there seems no point.
1338
01:19:16,218 --> 01:19:18,453
- [Voiceover] Can you stop?
1339
01:19:22,791 --> 01:19:24,326
- I'm trying.
1340
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:26,628
- I can't imagine myself doing this in my 30's, in my 40's.
1341
01:19:26,661 --> 01:19:28,296
That would be just kinda weird.
1342
01:19:28,330 --> 01:19:29,865
Even though a lot of people obviously
1343
01:19:29,898 --> 01:19:32,400
in the chem scene are in their 30's, 40's, 50's
1344
01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:34,269
because this wasn't such a big thing 20 years ago
1345
01:19:34,302 --> 01:19:35,504
and they're just getting into it
1346
01:19:35,537 --> 01:19:36,771
whereas I'm kind of at the age where,
1347
01:19:36,805 --> 01:19:39,341
as it's blossoming, I can kinda get into it.
1348
01:19:39,374 --> 01:19:40,976
- There's real way to be clean,
1349
01:19:41,009 --> 01:19:42,878
to have a fulfilled relationship,
1350
01:19:42,911 --> 01:19:44,079
like when I say to people,
1351
01:19:44,112 --> 01:19:45,247
cause some people told me,
1352
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,582
you'd do anybody I suppose.
1353
01:19:47,616 --> 01:19:50,552
And then I say, actually I want to have kids.
1354
01:19:50,585 --> 01:19:51,953
I want to get married.
1355
01:19:51,987 --> 01:19:53,655
I want to have a cat.
1356
01:19:53,688 --> 01:19:55,957
I want a normal life.
1357
01:19:55,991 --> 01:19:58,760
- If I could turn back time,
1358
01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:01,163
on that day, July 15th,
1359
01:20:01,196 --> 01:20:03,532
when somebody said, "Take these pills."
1360
01:20:03,565 --> 01:20:04,833
If somebody would have said to me,
1361
01:20:04,866 --> 01:20:08,069
this is what it would have been like
1362
01:20:08,103 --> 01:20:10,272
(sobbing)
1363
01:20:12,307 --> 01:20:13,708
six months later,
1364
01:20:13,742 --> 01:20:15,210
I would have never done it.
1365
01:20:15,243 --> 01:20:16,478
- For a lot of guys,
1366
01:20:16,511 --> 01:20:19,080
a lot of them I don't really see anymore.
1367
01:20:19,114 --> 01:20:21,016
We used to do stuff.
1368
01:20:21,049 --> 01:20:25,220
Maybe not that amazing, we used to go out for food,
1369
01:20:26,087 --> 01:20:27,923
maybe go to the cinema
1370
01:20:30,091 --> 01:20:31,593
and now they don't
1371
01:20:33,195 --> 01:20:34,496
and every time you talk to them
1372
01:20:34,529 --> 01:20:36,565
it's just talking about the party they were at
1373
01:20:36,598 --> 01:20:39,668
or how much they're coming down or...
1374
01:20:44,072 --> 01:20:47,509
and you just think, I don't care.
1375
01:20:47,542 --> 01:20:49,544
I just want my mate back
1376
01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:55,517
and you don't know where they've gone.
1377
01:21:01,923 --> 01:21:04,993
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