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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,702 --> 00:00:04,704 (music, glass shattering) 2 00:00:41,074 --> 00:00:44,477 (groaning ominous music) 3 00:00:55,388 --> 00:00:57,724 - I'm just familiar with it. 4 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:07,133 I'm pretty much slamming every day, 5 00:01:07,167 --> 00:01:09,469 four slams a day, 6 00:01:09,502 --> 00:01:12,472 about 400 pounds in week I can. 7 00:01:12,505 --> 00:01:14,107 That's not so much. 8 00:01:49,676 --> 00:01:52,512 (heavy breathing) 9 00:01:57,817 --> 00:02:02,455 See, now what I want to do is get fucked, have sex. 10 00:02:02,489 --> 00:02:03,823 Crazy. 11 00:02:03,857 --> 00:02:04,657 - [Voiceover] Straight away? 12 00:02:04,691 --> 00:02:05,525 - Uh-huh. 13 00:02:06,426 --> 00:02:07,260 Yeah. 14 00:02:08,661 --> 00:02:11,731 Just by cock, cock, cock, cock, cock. 15 00:02:25,011 --> 00:02:28,348 I'm not like a proper drug addict. 16 00:02:28,381 --> 00:02:29,282 Do you know? 17 00:02:29,315 --> 00:02:31,818 I know that like to some people 18 00:02:31,851 --> 00:02:34,521 it would seem that I am, but-- 19 00:02:34,554 --> 00:02:37,624 - [Voiceover] What's a proper drug addict? 20 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:38,925 - I don't know. 21 00:02:42,428 --> 00:02:45,165 Yeah, I don't know, probably me. 22 00:02:49,335 --> 00:02:52,005 (ambient music) 23 00:03:09,756 --> 00:03:11,057 - [Voiceover] If you could just introduce yourself 24 00:03:11,090 --> 00:03:14,260 by name and age and where you're from. 25 00:03:16,195 --> 00:03:20,366 (voices speaking over one another) 26 00:03:32,512 --> 00:03:34,948 - [Voiceover] What is it that you're here 27 00:03:34,981 --> 00:03:37,317 to talk about today? 28 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:38,184 - Um. 29 00:03:39,652 --> 00:03:41,588 Well, really it's uh... 30 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:47,694 - I'm here 'cause I'm worried 31 00:03:47,727 --> 00:03:49,762 about what's happening on the scene. 32 00:03:49,796 --> 00:03:52,465 I'm worried about my friends. 33 00:03:52,498 --> 00:03:55,668 I've seen people get hooked on crystal 34 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:59,305 and just what they look like when they're on it. 35 00:03:59,339 --> 00:04:01,474 - People got addiction in their life 36 00:04:01,507 --> 00:04:05,645 and they get addicted to drugs and sex and the lifestyle. 37 00:04:05,678 --> 00:04:07,280 - Chems, fetish, that kinda world, 38 00:04:07,313 --> 00:04:08,781 it's very taboo 39 00:04:08,815 --> 00:04:09,882 and a lot of people don't want to talk about it 40 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:11,117 even if they're involved in it, 41 00:04:11,150 --> 00:04:12,385 they don't want to admit it and talk about it. 42 00:04:12,418 --> 00:04:14,554 - I'm here today to kinda talk about chemsex 43 00:04:14,587 --> 00:04:15,888 and what it's meant to me 44 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:18,758 and what it's kinda meant to my community. 45 00:04:18,791 --> 00:04:21,060 - I'm here because, 46 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:23,263 I'm here 'cause I'm alive. 47 00:04:24,163 --> 00:04:25,331 I did get out. 48 00:04:33,172 --> 00:04:34,073 And why not, 49 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:36,509 should I not tell this story? 50 00:04:43,683 --> 00:04:47,020 (pulsing ambient music) 51 00:04:52,625 --> 00:04:54,794 - They just look possessed. 52 00:04:54,827 --> 00:04:57,330 Wild and hungry and desperate. 53 00:04:59,832 --> 00:05:04,003 I am scared of this kind of perversion of the gay scene. 54 00:05:05,672 --> 00:05:06,873 It's pathological. 55 00:05:06,906 --> 00:05:09,742 There's something scary happening. 56 00:05:13,246 --> 00:05:17,517 - In my day, you'd get asked out in a bar, perhaps. 57 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:20,653 These days, 15, 16, you leave your home in Hertfordshire. 58 00:05:20,687 --> 00:05:22,889 You come to London to find your gay life 59 00:05:22,922 --> 00:05:24,524 and you find Grindr, 60 00:05:24,557 --> 00:05:26,459 and within, perhaps, four conversations, 61 00:05:26,492 --> 00:05:29,328 you're gonna be introduced to chems. 62 00:05:29,362 --> 00:05:30,963 Within eight conversation on Grindr, 63 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:32,331 you're gonna be introduced 64 00:05:32,365 --> 00:05:35,068 to injecting or slamming, as it's called. 65 00:05:35,101 --> 00:05:37,337 - I need you to behave yourself for me please. 66 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:38,738 - There is no textbook for how 67 00:05:38,771 --> 00:05:42,342 to be a safe gay man in modern times, 68 00:05:42,375 --> 00:05:44,243 in a changing health care world, 69 00:05:44,277 --> 00:05:45,645 in a changing app word, 70 00:05:45,678 --> 00:05:49,382 in a changing hooking up technology world. 71 00:05:49,415 --> 00:05:52,385 (excited chattering) 72 00:05:52,418 --> 00:05:56,122 Where do these kids the tools to manage this? 73 00:05:56,155 --> 00:05:57,857 - [Voiceover] Are you in London tomorrow? 74 00:05:57,890 --> 00:06:00,326 - I'm coming to your house tonight. 75 00:06:00,359 --> 00:06:01,427 Look at this boy. 76 00:06:01,461 --> 00:06:04,263 Sexy boy, sexy boy, sexy boy. 77 00:06:04,297 --> 00:06:06,566 - [Voiceover] What happened to your legs? 78 00:06:06,599 --> 00:06:08,468 - I'm sick of alcohol, man. 79 00:06:08,501 --> 00:06:09,435 That's it. 80 00:06:09,469 --> 00:06:10,503 - And what else? 81 00:06:10,536 --> 00:06:11,771 - Mephedrone. 82 00:06:11,804 --> 00:06:13,539 - [Voiceover] Really? 83 00:06:18,745 --> 00:06:20,246 (moaning) 84 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,548 - Originally sex and drugs were two separate things. 85 00:06:22,582 --> 00:06:24,584 However, somewhere along the line 86 00:06:24,617 --> 00:06:25,818 they became one in the same. 87 00:06:25,852 --> 00:06:28,054 So you were no longer having sex without drugs 88 00:06:28,087 --> 00:06:32,091 and you were no longer having drugs without sex. 89 00:06:33,726 --> 00:06:36,329 - What's tapping into our sexual dark places 90 00:06:36,362 --> 00:06:37,797 and our fantasies and why's it like that 91 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:40,533 for gay men almost exclusively? 92 00:06:40,566 --> 00:06:43,803 There's something about our relationship 93 00:06:43,836 --> 00:06:48,040 to our sex for gay men that's causing harm 94 00:06:48,074 --> 00:06:50,243 and that needs addressing. 95 00:06:59,886 --> 00:07:02,955 (dark ominous music) 96 00:07:17,603 --> 00:07:18,504 - I'm Dick. 97 00:07:18,538 --> 00:07:20,673 I'm 32 and I'm from Watford 98 00:07:22,809 --> 00:07:24,410 and I like chemsex. 99 00:07:37,056 --> 00:07:41,060 I'm seeing someone at the moment who's 70. 100 00:07:41,093 --> 00:07:43,429 It's not really going great. 101 00:07:46,065 --> 00:07:49,135 I'm just waiting for him to die. 102 00:07:49,168 --> 00:07:50,770 Here you go, go on. 103 00:07:52,672 --> 00:07:56,843 If you're in Vauxhall at six o'clock on a Sunday morning 104 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:01,347 and you turn on one of these apps, 105 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:03,916 then they normally pop up 106 00:08:03,950 --> 00:08:06,886 and every other name has got point, 107 00:08:08,087 --> 00:08:10,523 implying that they use needles 108 00:08:10,556 --> 00:08:14,560 and Tina, the abbreviated name for crystal meth. 109 00:08:15,995 --> 00:08:17,830 This one's Grindr. 110 00:08:17,864 --> 00:08:19,098 See, I haven't been on it for a while, 111 00:08:19,131 --> 00:08:21,133 so I've got 66 messages. 112 00:08:22,268 --> 00:08:24,537 "Morning mate, I've got my phone. 113 00:08:24,570 --> 00:08:27,306 "Hope you get well and get sleazy. 114 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:29,442 "Oink, oink, oink." 115 00:08:29,475 --> 00:08:31,177 Oink, oink is kind of trying 116 00:08:31,210 --> 00:08:33,846 to say they're piggy and sleazy. 117 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,582 "Be good to meet up with you and breed you 118 00:08:36,616 --> 00:08:39,719 "and open your ass with my fist." 119 00:08:39,752 --> 00:08:42,021 Do you want a cup of tea? 120 00:08:42,054 --> 00:08:43,656 - [Voiceover] When you have had chemsex, 121 00:08:43,689 --> 00:08:47,293 what are the drugs that you prefer to take? 122 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,662 - I like ketamine. 123 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:51,898 Ketamine the horse tranquilizer. 124 00:08:51,931 --> 00:08:54,133 I think it sort of loosens the bum 125 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:57,203 so it's quite good for gay sex. 126 00:08:57,236 --> 00:09:00,573 I suppose that's why gay people take it. 127 00:09:02,108 --> 00:09:03,910 I was never a pill person. 128 00:09:03,943 --> 00:09:05,177 A bit like cocaine, 129 00:09:05,211 --> 00:09:07,013 I tried it, it didn't really do much 130 00:09:07,046 --> 00:09:11,217 and then this crappy meow meow, M-CAT shit took over, 131 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:15,621 but again, I haven't really fussed by that. 132 00:09:15,655 --> 00:09:18,391 Once, I was at a club and I went home with three guys, 133 00:09:18,424 --> 00:09:20,860 then one chap overdosed on G. 134 00:09:21,994 --> 00:09:23,462 I had him in the kitchen, he said, 135 00:09:23,496 --> 00:09:26,799 "Oh shit, I've just taken another one by mistake." 136 00:09:26,832 --> 00:09:29,402 And I thought how do you take another one by mistake? 137 00:09:29,435 --> 00:09:33,539 So, I just think it's best to leave it alone. 138 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:35,908 Crystal, I sort of took too. 139 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:43,382 A lot of the things that is wrong with the whole thing, 140 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:46,585 you know the drugs are illegal, 141 00:09:46,619 --> 00:09:50,790 the sex that's going on isn't probably morally correct. 142 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:57,129 We're tarts now with new names to make it sound acceptable. 143 00:09:57,163 --> 00:10:00,566 We're not injecting drugs like the heroin addicts, 144 00:10:00,599 --> 00:10:04,103 we're slamming and using pins not needles. 145 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:09,375 Do you fancy using five month old syringes 146 00:10:09,408 --> 00:10:12,378 to get off your face and not know what you're doing? 147 00:10:12,411 --> 00:10:16,082 Doesn't sound like a very tempting invite. 148 00:10:16,115 --> 00:10:18,050 Do you fancy a chemsex session? 149 00:10:18,084 --> 00:10:19,318 Oh yes, please. 150 00:10:25,024 --> 00:10:27,960 - I'm currently using a variety of things, 151 00:10:27,994 --> 00:10:29,862 various letters of the alphabet, 152 00:10:29,895 --> 00:10:30,696 so my alphabet soup consists 153 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:32,064 of V, T, G, M, K 154 00:10:36,369 --> 00:10:37,937 and more T, more G. 155 00:10:39,038 --> 00:10:41,440 V is Viagra, T is Tina, methamphetamine, 156 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:44,143 G is GBL, swallowed with liquid, 157 00:10:45,077 --> 00:10:47,680 M is mephedrone, K is ketamine. 158 00:10:48,748 --> 00:10:52,218 T and sometimes the M, I slam it 159 00:10:52,251 --> 00:10:54,787 or inject it intravenously 160 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:58,491 and K, snort it through the nose in tiny little bumps. 161 00:10:58,524 --> 00:11:00,393 - If you switch on Grindr, you switch on Scruff 162 00:11:00,426 --> 00:11:01,861 or any of these apps, you know, 163 00:11:01,894 --> 00:11:02,828 Tina, T, G, 164 00:11:03,963 --> 00:11:05,965 all of these factors come into play 165 00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:07,700 and they all mean one thing. 166 00:11:07,733 --> 00:11:09,301 It's time to party. 167 00:11:14,807 --> 00:11:18,177 (tranquil ambient music) 168 00:11:18,210 --> 00:11:20,312 - [Party Host] This is my party tonight. 169 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:21,580 I'm hosting it. 170 00:11:22,948 --> 00:11:26,552 Because I work both in London and down in Bournemouth, 171 00:11:26,585 --> 00:11:29,255 I've tried to include people I play with in London 172 00:11:29,288 --> 00:11:31,857 and also people I play with down here. 173 00:11:31,891 --> 00:11:34,026 We've got about 20 people who've said they're gonna come. 174 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:36,429 Whether they do or not is another matter. 175 00:11:36,462 --> 00:11:38,097 So I have a spreadsheet. 176 00:11:38,130 --> 00:11:42,068 It's got people's names, people's avatars 177 00:11:42,101 --> 00:11:44,970 and then I've got an arrival time 178 00:11:45,004 --> 00:11:46,972 and I've got my G o'clock timetable 179 00:11:47,006 --> 00:11:48,808 to see when people take G. 180 00:11:48,841 --> 00:11:49,742 How many queens does 181 00:11:49,775 --> 00:11:51,877 it take to put up a sling? 182 00:11:53,612 --> 00:11:56,115 I was never very good at camping. 183 00:11:56,148 --> 00:12:00,019 This weekend, this party is a bareback party. 184 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:01,654 Everyone knows it's bareback, 185 00:12:01,687 --> 00:12:02,621 so the vast majority of people 186 00:12:02,655 --> 00:12:04,857 are positive non-detectable. 187 00:12:06,859 --> 00:12:08,494 The couple of neg guys that are coming, 188 00:12:08,527 --> 00:12:10,429 you know, they are fully aware of the risks 189 00:12:10,463 --> 00:12:13,899 and it's up to them what they want to do. 190 00:12:29,915 --> 00:12:31,283 - My name is Matt Spike, 191 00:12:31,317 --> 00:12:33,285 I'm a photographer, 192 00:12:33,319 --> 00:12:36,589 a gay fetish photographer specifically. 193 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:44,096 People who wouldn't be aware of chemsex 194 00:12:45,231 --> 00:12:49,502 found their way into it via social networking. 195 00:12:49,535 --> 00:12:50,669 You could probably find yourself 196 00:12:50,703 --> 00:12:53,739 in the middle of a full on drugged up orgy 197 00:12:53,772 --> 00:12:56,575 within the hour using this website. 198 00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:57,710 Quite easily. 199 00:12:58,978 --> 00:13:00,146 Just looking at this profile here. 200 00:13:00,179 --> 00:13:01,480 This guy said that he likes 201 00:13:01,514 --> 00:13:05,017 sleazy sex sessions with chilled breaks. 202 00:13:05,050 --> 00:13:07,820 And the chilled breaks is a clue that, 203 00:13:07,853 --> 00:13:09,421 basically what that means is that 204 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:11,957 between fisting the living shit out of each other, 205 00:13:11,991 --> 00:13:13,159 they'll probably just sit on the couch 206 00:13:13,192 --> 00:13:15,828 for half an hour and shoot up again. 207 00:13:15,861 --> 00:13:19,832 Yeah, I mean there's nothing subtle about that. 208 00:13:19,865 --> 00:13:21,901 Ass is nasty, kink pigs, 209 00:13:21,934 --> 00:13:24,803 kind of the name really says it all, doesn't it actually? 210 00:13:24,837 --> 00:13:26,705 Morals are not exactly a priority. 211 00:13:26,739 --> 00:13:28,107 I mean, this basically is just a place 212 00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:29,308 where people come to find others 213 00:13:29,341 --> 00:13:31,410 that basically want to slam. 214 00:13:31,443 --> 00:13:33,078 This site also, 215 00:13:33,112 --> 00:13:35,080 you could find guys that would pos you up, 216 00:13:35,114 --> 00:13:37,016 that will give you HIV. 217 00:13:38,117 --> 00:13:40,052 For somebody to be willing to give you HIV 218 00:13:40,085 --> 00:13:42,721 is such a brutal thing to want to do. 219 00:13:42,755 --> 00:13:45,357 I think it's just a really extreme form of sadism 220 00:13:45,391 --> 00:13:47,159 and I think that really extreme masochists 221 00:13:47,193 --> 00:13:50,196 will just seek out this, and just... 222 00:14:02,908 --> 00:14:05,578 (camera clicks) 223 00:14:08,948 --> 00:14:10,649 This is basically a dungeon that's used 224 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:14,587 by people who want to organize private play sessions. 225 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:17,756 Nothing that goes on here is vanilla. 226 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:19,825 It's all about the bondage, 227 00:14:19,858 --> 00:14:21,260 it's all about the piss, 228 00:14:21,293 --> 00:14:23,596 it's all about servitude 229 00:14:23,629 --> 00:14:26,632 and gags, collars and hooks. 230 00:14:26,665 --> 00:14:30,069 Just really give me a real pained look. 231 00:14:30,102 --> 00:14:31,437 That's it, yeah. 232 00:14:34,206 --> 00:14:36,842 So what we're doing is we are showing 233 00:14:36,875 --> 00:14:41,647 what it's like in a play session shooting up crystal meth. 234 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,383 I can't help the fact that the drug was invented. 235 00:14:44,416 --> 00:14:48,420 I can't help the fact that people merged it with sex. 236 00:14:48,454 --> 00:14:50,990 So for me, it's an artistic thing 237 00:14:51,023 --> 00:14:52,558 just representing what's going on 238 00:14:52,591 --> 00:14:56,762 and if that happens to look sexy, that's not my fault. 239 00:14:57,963 --> 00:15:01,634 (thumping electronic music) 240 00:15:02,801 --> 00:15:04,470 You can open up receptors or areas 241 00:15:04,503 --> 00:15:07,072 of your mind or imagination using drugs. 242 00:15:07,106 --> 00:15:09,908 I mean that's stuff that I did because I was on drugs 243 00:15:09,942 --> 00:15:12,278 and I've been able to do later sober, 244 00:15:12,311 --> 00:15:14,280 'cause I learned how to do it whilst on drugs. 245 00:15:14,313 --> 00:15:15,914 You know what I mean? 246 00:15:15,948 --> 00:15:18,717 Yeah, Sam look up to that needle. 247 00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:24,189 - I was at a sex club and I met these two guys 248 00:15:24,223 --> 00:15:27,226 and went back with them to threesome 249 00:15:28,394 --> 00:15:30,529 and then they tied me up in the sling 250 00:15:30,562 --> 00:15:32,498 and said did I slam. 251 00:15:32,531 --> 00:15:35,234 And I said, "No, I don't know what you're talking about." 252 00:15:35,267 --> 00:15:36,835 As soon as they said injection drugs, 253 00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:40,472 I thought fuck, you know, this is hardcore. 254 00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:45,511 And I said, "No, this isn't for me." 255 00:15:45,544 --> 00:15:47,680 And then they said, "Well it don't really matter, 256 00:15:47,713 --> 00:15:49,048 "'cause you're tied up now. 257 00:15:49,081 --> 00:15:51,250 "So you're going with it." 258 00:15:52,151 --> 00:15:53,886 And then that was it. 259 00:15:54,887 --> 00:15:55,888 They did it. 260 00:15:58,891 --> 00:15:59,692 Are you alright? 261 00:15:59,725 --> 00:16:00,793 - Mhmm. 262 00:16:00,826 --> 00:16:02,795 - I've had the best sex with it 263 00:16:02,828 --> 00:16:06,065 and I've also had the worst sex. 264 00:16:06,098 --> 00:16:09,268 I met somebody, a bit of a loose canon 265 00:16:12,171 --> 00:16:14,006 and went to his house. 266 00:16:17,443 --> 00:16:20,045 (men chatting) 267 00:16:47,873 --> 00:16:49,441 We slammed and then 268 00:16:50,976 --> 00:16:54,413 as soon as that kicked in, it was just... 269 00:16:55,447 --> 00:16:57,015 I'm somewhere else. 270 00:17:08,694 --> 00:17:11,964 (moaning and grunting) 271 00:17:16,935 --> 00:17:18,737 I thought it was alright at that point, 272 00:17:18,771 --> 00:17:20,906 and then out of the corner of my eye, 273 00:17:20,939 --> 00:17:22,374 I see him reach for his phone. 274 00:17:22,408 --> 00:17:27,179 He was on the internet looking for the next shag. 275 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:30,949 And being with him, you think oh put it down. 276 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:36,722 Pages and click through the faces, 277 00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:40,359 sending messages, hello. 278 00:17:40,392 --> 00:17:44,563 I mean for me, I don't get the apps and websites up. 279 00:17:45,697 --> 00:17:48,600 Other people just can't get off them. 280 00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:53,972 - They don't quite fit as well. 281 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:29,041 It's not worth it. 282 00:18:29,074 --> 00:18:31,910 I decided I didn't like the kitchen floor, 283 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:35,414 so I wanted to put this down myself, which I did. 284 00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:37,483 When I went to the HomeBase, 285 00:18:37,516 --> 00:18:38,817 the guy was like, 286 00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:40,219 I was like I need some help 287 00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:41,720 because I don't really know what I'm doing, 288 00:18:41,753 --> 00:18:43,388 I've never done this before. 289 00:18:43,422 --> 00:18:44,623 I said, "What do I need?" 290 00:18:44,656 --> 00:18:46,925 And he was like, "You need one of these saws." 291 00:18:46,959 --> 00:18:50,395 So he like took me back in the shop control. 292 00:18:50,429 --> 00:18:53,265 I came out with like a tool drawer 293 00:18:54,566 --> 00:18:56,535 and my dad was like so impressed. 294 00:18:56,568 --> 00:19:00,372 He's like bought me a screwdriver with a light on it. 295 00:19:00,405 --> 00:19:01,807 Because I suppose sometimes like you might 296 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,276 have to do something under the sink. 297 00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:07,579 (screwdriver whirring) 298 00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:29,268 - Continuing. 299 00:19:33,472 --> 00:19:35,474 - Probably until Monday. 300 00:19:48,887 --> 00:19:51,823 - [Party Host] So the time now is coming up to midnight. 301 00:19:51,857 --> 00:19:53,725 Time is a bit blurry with me now. 302 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:54,960 We got quite a good turn out. 303 00:19:54,993 --> 00:19:56,828 We've got about 10 people here so far. 304 00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:58,363 I have done M-CAT, 305 00:20:00,365 --> 00:20:02,501 I think about four or five lines. 306 00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:04,102 And I've done one shot of G. 307 00:20:04,136 --> 00:20:06,238 I'm nicely chilled and nicely relaxed 308 00:20:06,271 --> 00:20:10,208 and not so drugged out that I can't still fuck. 309 00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:16,215 (moaning) 310 00:20:56,855 --> 00:20:58,123 - The feelings that you get 311 00:20:58,156 --> 00:21:00,092 is like a fucking firework display. 312 00:21:00,125 --> 00:21:01,893 It's always incredible. 313 00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:05,464 - In two seconds you are in the planet 314 00:21:05,497 --> 00:21:09,167 that hasn't been discovered yet by humanity. 315 00:21:11,336 --> 00:21:12,904 - Everyone will just leap on each other 316 00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:15,507 and you'll just dissolve into this sweaty mess 317 00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:19,911 of sex and lust and you'll just lose yourselves 318 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:23,849 and you'll lose everything and that's when it feels good. 319 00:21:23,882 --> 00:21:26,618 That's when it just feels like bliss. 320 00:21:26,652 --> 00:21:27,519 - There is a planet, 321 00:21:27,552 --> 00:21:29,287 that you arrived there, 322 00:21:29,321 --> 00:21:31,923 but you don't arrive alone 323 00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:36,128 and if you're lucky and that person is as horny as you are, 324 00:21:38,363 --> 00:21:41,533 and he wants the same sex as you want, 325 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:46,905 let me tell you that planet has got beautiful gardens. 326 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:52,377 Amazing fountains, beautiful trees and all that stuff. 327 00:21:53,612 --> 00:21:56,448 - Successful, good looking, gorgeous, 328 00:21:57,616 --> 00:21:59,918 business men running around naked, 329 00:21:59,951 --> 00:22:01,620 giggling like little boys, 330 00:22:01,653 --> 00:22:04,756 high off their nut having a laugh. 331 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:06,858 And it's incredibly free. 332 00:22:09,461 --> 00:22:11,963 It's everything I wanted. 333 00:22:11,997 --> 00:22:13,999 - Have another shot of G, 334 00:22:14,032 --> 00:22:17,202 give it 10 minutes and all of a sudden 335 00:22:17,235 --> 00:22:19,771 everyone's back in the rolling mess 336 00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:22,507 and it's brilliant and it's fantastic. 337 00:22:22,541 --> 00:22:23,975 When you've had that and you go back to sex 338 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:27,679 when you're not on drugs, you think, 339 00:22:27,713 --> 00:22:29,047 "Oh is that it?" 340 00:22:30,949 --> 00:22:34,019 - This sobriety is fucking dull. 341 00:22:34,052 --> 00:22:36,421 No offense, but if I have 342 00:22:36,455 --> 00:22:37,989 to spend the rest of my life as sober, 343 00:22:38,023 --> 00:22:39,191 you might a well just fucking 344 00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:41,727 take me to the euthanasia clinic. 345 00:22:50,836 --> 00:22:52,270 - The last time I slammed was just before, 346 00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:56,174 about 15 minutes before you turned up. 347 00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:57,042 So, yeah. 348 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,780 Got online and met a guy. 349 00:23:01,813 --> 00:23:05,317 Sat up and took meth and had sex all day 350 00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:06,785 and not long got back, really. 351 00:23:06,818 --> 00:23:10,322 So, a bit battered, but I had a good time. 352 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:18,730 School and childhood were pretty much fine. 353 00:23:18,764 --> 00:23:19,664 I had no complaints. 354 00:23:19,698 --> 00:23:21,700 I'm very fortunate with that. 355 00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:25,337 I'd never experienced misery, depression, anxiety. 356 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:29,808 I don't know therefore why I do this to myself. 357 00:23:29,841 --> 00:23:32,577 Slamming seems to have become part of the habit now. 358 00:23:32,611 --> 00:23:34,079 That's how swollen they get. 359 00:23:34,112 --> 00:23:35,781 Ridiculous. 360 00:23:35,814 --> 00:23:37,616 - [Voiceover] Do you mix it with anything else? 361 00:23:37,649 --> 00:23:39,985 - This evening I did take G. 362 00:23:40,018 --> 00:23:41,486 It gets you a bit more whapped out 363 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,622 and a bit more out of it. 364 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:46,024 So it was good. 365 00:23:47,859 --> 00:23:50,796 It kind of builds into a crescendo with the slamming. 366 00:23:50,829 --> 00:23:53,832 I find it's very difficult to stop 367 00:23:53,865 --> 00:23:56,935 at a certain point unless you're out. 368 00:23:58,136 --> 00:24:01,039 I've been using every weekend. 369 00:24:01,072 --> 00:24:05,110 I don't seem to have an ability to stop and say no. 370 00:24:05,143 --> 00:24:06,378 I have an issue and a problem 371 00:24:06,411 --> 00:24:08,680 that needs to be dealt with, 372 00:24:08,713 --> 00:24:11,049 unless I end up taking too much 373 00:24:11,082 --> 00:24:12,517 or taking it over a period of time 374 00:24:12,551 --> 00:24:16,354 and ending up in hospital or not here anymore, 375 00:24:17,856 --> 00:24:20,959 so it needs to kind of be sorted out. 376 00:24:48,687 --> 00:24:52,090 - What I do is I address the chemsex trends 377 00:24:52,123 --> 00:24:54,559 that are happening amongst gay and bi men 378 00:24:54,593 --> 00:24:56,761 in London mostly, I guess. 379 00:24:58,096 --> 00:24:59,965 That's the sexualized drug use 380 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:03,568 of crystal meth, GHB or GBL and mephedrone. 381 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:09,374 56 Dean Street is a sexual health clinic. 382 00:25:09,407 --> 00:25:13,945 It's more of a sexual well being center I would say. 383 00:25:13,979 --> 00:25:16,648 These are our touch screen terminals. 384 00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:18,316 And so it's just asking me a series of questions 385 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,652 about who I have sex with. 386 00:25:20,685 --> 00:25:21,920 How many sexual partners? 387 00:25:21,953 --> 00:25:24,856 Let's assume I've had, let's say 80. 388 00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:27,192 Have I had a penis in my mouth? 389 00:25:27,225 --> 00:25:28,059 Oh yeah. 390 00:25:29,461 --> 00:25:31,129 In the last three months, have you had anal sex? 391 00:25:31,162 --> 00:25:32,163 Anal as in anus. 392 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,331 Oh yeah. 393 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:36,334 And because I clicked the chemsex tab, 394 00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:38,136 one of the nurses will get in touch with me 395 00:25:38,169 --> 00:25:40,839 and I'll give the patient a call. 396 00:25:40,872 --> 00:25:42,641 The way things work in the UK is 397 00:25:42,674 --> 00:25:44,476 if you have a sexual health issue, 398 00:25:44,509 --> 00:25:46,344 you come into a sexual health clinic 399 00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:48,413 and if you have a drug issue, 400 00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:51,082 you go off to, usually, a heroine service 401 00:25:51,116 --> 00:25:54,052 where hopefully they can talk to you about those things. 402 00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:55,553 This wasn't working for gay men, 403 00:25:55,587 --> 00:25:57,756 so we felt very strongly that we needed 404 00:25:57,789 --> 00:25:59,958 to support them within sexual health. 405 00:25:59,991 --> 00:26:01,192 It's brand new. 406 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:02,360 It hasn't really been done before. 407 00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:03,295 I'm the first person doing this job 408 00:26:03,328 --> 00:26:06,364 within sexual health in the UK, 409 00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:08,433 but the idea is to create a model here 410 00:26:08,466 --> 00:26:11,369 that can be rolled out to other sexual health clinics. 411 00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:12,437 It's all new, nice. 412 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:13,672 We like the way it's decorated. 413 00:26:13,705 --> 00:26:15,707 We hope our patients do. 414 00:26:22,213 --> 00:26:23,415 We have an issue with sex. 415 00:26:23,448 --> 00:26:24,249 We do. 416 00:26:24,282 --> 00:26:25,750 If you don't believe me, 417 00:26:25,784 --> 00:26:26,985 go to your local sexual health clinic 418 00:26:27,018 --> 00:26:29,454 and you will see hoards of gay men 419 00:26:29,487 --> 00:26:31,556 in this town self-medicating their way 420 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:34,559 through complicated sexual identity 421 00:26:34,592 --> 00:26:37,996 and experience with really harmful drugs. 422 00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:40,532 The average number of partners 423 00:26:40,565 --> 00:26:44,469 somewhere between five and 15 people per weekend. 424 00:26:45,904 --> 00:26:47,939 They are sometimes sharing needles if they run out. 425 00:26:47,973 --> 00:26:51,710 They are douching from hoses with the shower heads taken off 426 00:26:51,743 --> 00:26:55,213 and if there are cut and marks from rough sex on drugs 427 00:26:55,246 --> 00:26:56,848 you're gonna catch Hepatitis C. 428 00:26:56,881 --> 00:26:58,717 There's a lot of risk. 429 00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:04,322 Five gay men are being diagnosed with HIV 430 00:27:04,356 --> 00:27:06,891 every single day in London. 431 00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:10,261 Just in London and that's a huge number. 432 00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:15,333 At 56 Dean Street, there was one weekend 433 00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:18,703 where 33 gay men showed up for PEP. 434 00:27:18,737 --> 00:27:19,938 If you're exposed to HIV 435 00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:21,639 through an accident or a condom break, 436 00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:23,308 you can take this medicine for a month 437 00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:27,379 and it will pretty much prevent you from catching HIV. 438 00:27:27,412 --> 00:27:31,516 31 of those were the result of a chemsex weekend. 439 00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:34,219 Simple question. 440 00:27:34,252 --> 00:27:36,054 Do you use drugs for sex? 441 00:27:36,087 --> 00:27:40,258 In the last three months, 300 people here have said yes. 442 00:27:42,794 --> 00:27:45,930 Hi, what brought you here today? 443 00:27:45,964 --> 00:27:47,599 - [Patient] It doesn't seem that anybody nowadays 444 00:27:47,632 --> 00:27:49,401 has sex without drugs 445 00:27:51,302 --> 00:27:53,638 and so intimacy isn't there. 446 00:27:55,073 --> 00:27:56,274 - Can I check with the G? 447 00:27:56,307 --> 00:27:58,209 'Cause that's the most dangerous of the bunch. 448 00:27:58,243 --> 00:27:59,811 - [Patient] G has recently come back into my life. 449 00:27:59,844 --> 00:28:04,716 It's one of those that I find really difficult to not have. 450 00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:08,153 I start getting the anxiety attacks and withdrawal symptoms. 451 00:28:08,186 --> 00:28:10,288 - What's your favorite drug? 452 00:28:10,321 --> 00:28:12,757 - [Patient] Mephedrone and G together. 453 00:28:12,791 --> 00:28:14,192 - Together. 454 00:28:14,225 --> 00:28:15,293 If you have to prioritize one over the other, 455 00:28:15,326 --> 00:28:16,194 could you? 456 00:28:16,227 --> 00:28:18,163 Or it's always together? 457 00:28:18,196 --> 00:28:19,097 - [Patient] G. 458 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:21,366 Actually that's the killer. 459 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:27,105 - These drugs are so harmful 460 00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:29,874 and guys are finding themselves in such a bad way. 461 00:28:29,908 --> 00:28:30,909 They're not sitting going, 462 00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:32,577 "Oh I did drugs for three days. 463 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:34,079 "It could have been a bit out of hand. 464 00:28:34,112 --> 00:28:36,347 "I had a really good time, but I wanna make some changes." 465 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:37,515 That's not what's going on. 466 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,751 They're sitting in front of me traumatized, 467 00:28:39,784 --> 00:28:41,319 "Why do I do that? 468 00:28:41,352 --> 00:28:44,756 "Pushing things to such an extreme length 469 00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:48,426 "and I'm devastated and I haven't had sober sex in ages 470 00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:50,361 "and I don't know why." 471 00:28:52,063 --> 00:28:55,433 - [Simon] I'm here to see David. 472 00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:56,935 - It's about a gay community emerging 473 00:28:56,968 --> 00:29:00,939 from a really traumatic past, a complicated past. 474 00:29:00,972 --> 00:29:03,141 Vulnerable gay men with issues around sex 475 00:29:03,174 --> 00:29:05,310 new drugs are tending to that problem rather well 476 00:29:05,343 --> 00:29:07,979 and changing technology, 477 00:29:08,012 --> 00:29:10,181 what they call the perfect storm. 478 00:29:10,215 --> 00:29:13,651 And we need a different way of thinking to address it. 479 00:29:13,685 --> 00:29:16,020 - [Simon] Great, thank you. 480 00:29:16,054 --> 00:29:17,889 - What brought you here today? 481 00:29:17,922 --> 00:29:20,125 - I realized that really over the years, 482 00:29:20,158 --> 00:29:23,595 all my sex has been either drunk or more, 483 00:29:24,662 --> 00:29:26,965 since I was 24 and onwards 484 00:29:26,998 --> 00:29:29,367 and especially since my mid to late 20s and onwards 485 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,403 has always been drug fueled sex. 486 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:33,705 It has to stop at some point. 487 00:29:33,738 --> 00:29:34,939 So. 488 00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:36,674 - [David] Is this that time now? 489 00:29:36,708 --> 00:29:39,010 - [Simon] I feel so, yes. 490 00:29:39,043 --> 00:29:40,278 - When you've hooked up before, 491 00:29:40,311 --> 00:29:42,213 what apps are you using, what sites? 492 00:29:42,247 --> 00:29:43,715 How do you find a shag? 493 00:29:43,748 --> 00:29:48,019 - The last year or two, BBLT just because I prefer 494 00:29:48,052 --> 00:29:51,022 to have bareback sex with people who are taking drugs 495 00:29:51,055 --> 00:29:54,359 and that's a very easy site to find those kind of people. 496 00:29:54,392 --> 00:29:55,793 - First thing that I would like to do 497 00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:59,330 would be to give you a feeling of yeah, I can do that. 498 00:29:59,364 --> 00:30:01,566 And that starts with an experiment 499 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:02,934 of a short amount of time. 500 00:30:02,967 --> 00:30:04,235 One week of your life. 501 00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:05,503 No drugs. 502 00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:07,639 It's an invitation and a suggestion. 503 00:30:07,672 --> 00:30:09,040 I'm not telling you what to do. 504 00:30:09,073 --> 00:30:10,875 You may not have solved world hunger 505 00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:13,011 and you may not fixed every problem in the world, 506 00:30:13,044 --> 00:30:14,179 but you did that. 507 00:30:14,212 --> 00:30:15,480 Going home and sitting at home 508 00:30:15,513 --> 00:30:17,248 twiddling your thumbs doesn't work. 509 00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:18,883 You know there actually is all over the place. 510 00:30:18,917 --> 00:30:21,085 The only important thing is to identify it. 511 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:22,620 You don't have to put your hand up in the air 512 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:25,557 and say, "I'm a raging addict, chemsex alcoholic," whatever, 513 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:27,592 you can just say I've got a big day tomorrow. 514 00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:30,094 I'm gonna keep it kinda light tonight. 515 00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:31,396 Simple as that and then your friends 516 00:30:31,429 --> 00:30:33,731 are supporting you to do it, hopefully. 517 00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:34,933 - Let's do it. 518 00:30:36,367 --> 00:30:38,069 - [David] In nearly every case I've ever seen, 519 00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,038 there's an explainable reason 520 00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:42,473 why these guys are using drugs. 521 00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:45,643 Gay men who have grown up feeling isolated, 522 00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:47,145 they're looking for a disinhibitor. 523 00:30:47,178 --> 00:30:49,247 They're looking for something that enables communication 524 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,916 with other people, connection to other people, 525 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:54,819 to be part of a community and the drugs kind 526 00:30:54,852 --> 00:30:57,188 of enable that in a big way. 527 00:31:10,468 --> 00:31:12,904 - I think there is meaning in chemsex. 528 00:31:12,937 --> 00:31:15,440 I think it does have a function. 529 00:31:15,473 --> 00:31:18,076 It allows you to stop worrying 530 00:31:18,109 --> 00:31:20,078 about all the shit that the gay world 531 00:31:20,111 --> 00:31:22,413 tells you you should always worry about. 532 00:31:22,447 --> 00:31:27,385 - Having felt lonely, and being into the chemsex thing, 533 00:31:27,418 --> 00:31:29,854 you actually find yourself in a group 534 00:31:29,887 --> 00:31:34,392 of six, seven people having fun, having a great time 535 00:31:34,425 --> 00:31:36,461 and none of these people, hardly any of them, 536 00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:39,264 ever become any real friends in your life, 537 00:31:39,297 --> 00:31:41,599 but they can fill a void on a Friday night, 538 00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:42,800 a Saturday where you could have 539 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:45,837 been alone the whole weekend. 540 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:47,772 - You've got fuck all in common with them. 541 00:31:47,805 --> 00:31:49,307 You don't know anything about them, 542 00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:50,742 but the drugs will let you think 543 00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:52,210 that you do have something in common with them 544 00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:55,246 and that you do really feel for them. 545 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,916 For days, you get to feel that you're worth something. 546 00:31:58,950 --> 00:32:00,218 You're important, at least to the person 547 00:32:00,251 --> 00:32:02,520 who's fucking you or who you're fucking. 548 00:32:02,553 --> 00:32:05,023 You're important to the people whose house you're at. 549 00:32:05,056 --> 00:32:09,227 And the gay scene can be such a lonely, alienating place, 550 00:32:10,628 --> 00:32:14,699 that you can see the function that that sex serves. 551 00:32:26,177 --> 00:32:29,013 - I was living in this flat where the light is on, 552 00:32:29,047 --> 00:32:31,749 constantly smoking crystal meth. 553 00:32:38,356 --> 00:32:40,558 The guys are still living there. 554 00:32:40,591 --> 00:32:42,193 The light is the same. 555 00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:43,961 The blue, the purple. 556 00:32:46,831 --> 00:32:48,299 Normally the sex was, 557 00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:52,970 involved unprotected sex with a lot of partners. 558 00:32:53,004 --> 00:32:57,642 I normally used to do things I've never, ever done before 559 00:32:57,675 --> 00:33:00,611 without the effect of crystal meth. 560 00:33:11,189 --> 00:33:13,091 I was born in Spain. 561 00:33:13,124 --> 00:33:16,427 I came into UK three years ago. 562 00:33:16,461 --> 00:33:20,298 I met the last partner that I had in UK 563 00:33:20,331 --> 00:33:23,267 and I said to him three things, you know, 564 00:33:23,301 --> 00:33:27,805 "I'm HIV positive, I'm not ready for a relationship 565 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,841 "and I'm a drug addict." 566 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:34,011 The perfect recipe for a disaster. 567 00:33:47,125 --> 00:33:48,493 - [Voiceover] The person whom you're trying to reach 568 00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:50,628 is currently unavailable. 569 00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:06,811 - When I was 20, I start exploring sex and chems. 570 00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:13,684 The drugs gave me the confidence that I never had. 571 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:19,991 I smoke crystal meth and I feel like a porn star. 572 00:34:21,626 --> 00:34:23,694 I've been working for ten years 573 00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:25,496 in commercial banking in Spain. 574 00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:26,998 In my past I had money 575 00:34:27,031 --> 00:34:28,299 that I invest in drugs 576 00:34:28,332 --> 00:34:30,134 that I invest and I didn't really 577 00:34:30,168 --> 00:34:33,337 consider the consequences of my using. 578 00:34:39,177 --> 00:34:42,346 At the end, I was homeless, jobless, 579 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:45,283 hopeless and I was selling my body. 580 00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:51,122 - [Voiceover] So you were a highly educated professional 581 00:34:51,155 --> 00:34:54,158 in your past with a B.A. and an M.A. 582 00:34:57,128 --> 00:35:01,299 and then you were at a point where you're selling your body. 583 00:35:03,901 --> 00:35:06,337 (heavy sigh) 584 00:35:11,142 --> 00:35:11,976 - Yeah. 585 00:35:28,993 --> 00:35:31,095 - [Emcee] Who likes filthy, sleazy, 586 00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:33,798 nasty, fucked up, bareback sex? 587 00:35:33,831 --> 00:35:35,600 Come on, who likes nasty, bareback sex? 588 00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:37,301 Let's hear you boys. 589 00:35:39,537 --> 00:35:41,172 Okay, right. 590 00:35:41,205 --> 00:35:43,140 We've got two porn stars now 591 00:35:43,174 --> 00:35:45,776 who will get up on the stage and do a bit of a show for you 592 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,379 and then when they've done whatever they're gonna do, 593 00:35:48,412 --> 00:35:50,314 they want you to come and join in, okay? 594 00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:52,884 They're here for your pleasure, okay? 595 00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:54,218 We want you to dump your loads 596 00:35:54,252 --> 00:35:56,787 in their cum filled asses 597 00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:59,457 or they want you to take their fucked up loads 598 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:01,158 in your holes, okay? 599 00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:13,538 - I'm 21. 600 00:36:13,571 --> 00:36:17,441 I've only done chems about 10, 11 times in my life. 601 00:36:17,475 --> 00:36:18,943 I've done everything. 602 00:36:18,976 --> 00:36:20,711 I've bummed, I've snorted, I've boost, I've slammed it. 603 00:36:20,745 --> 00:36:22,980 I've done mephedrone, cane, 604 00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:25,917 crystal meth, GBL and crack cocaine. 605 00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:34,158 About 18, I caught the chem side of the scene. 606 00:36:34,191 --> 00:36:35,526 And then about last July, 607 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,995 it kind of all got a little bit, not darker, 608 00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:42,200 but into the chem world and all that kind of thing. 609 00:36:44,769 --> 00:36:47,471 Basically I got into chem because I wanted to try fisting 610 00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:49,006 and every time I've done chem, I've done fisting 611 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,876 and the two are linked in my head. 612 00:36:53,778 --> 00:36:56,247 Black means fisting and if it's on your left 613 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,015 it means you give or you're dominant. 614 00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,384 If it's on your right, it's passive or submissive. 615 00:37:00,418 --> 00:37:02,186 It wasn't sex, that's just a given. 616 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,588 If you're into say tough sex 617 00:37:03,621 --> 00:37:05,122 or you're into a particular fetish 618 00:37:05,156 --> 00:37:08,793 it's just a way of showing, of course, what you're into. 619 00:37:14,832 --> 00:37:16,033 Once you've crossed the line, 620 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,668 and once you're in that world of chems 621 00:37:17,702 --> 00:37:20,571 and you're in that world of incredible sex. 622 00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:21,872 If you never come back across the line 623 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:23,307 and see what else is there, 624 00:37:23,341 --> 00:37:24,508 you could just very easily just stay in there 625 00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:25,943 and forget about what was behind you 626 00:37:25,977 --> 00:37:29,981 and just keep going forwards and down, inevitably. 627 00:37:34,652 --> 00:37:38,556 When I got diagnosed, it wasn't a shock. 628 00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:40,591 I'd accept that if I had bareback sex, 629 00:37:40,625 --> 00:37:43,694 if I did chemsex both together, 630 00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:47,698 it comes with the territory, unfortunately. 631 00:37:47,732 --> 00:37:48,899 I know it sounds bad, 632 00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:49,934 but I think you kind of expect people 633 00:37:49,967 --> 00:37:53,270 down there to be HIV positive. 634 00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:55,606 I mean, admittedly, it is something you then 635 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,575 have to think about when you go into treatment. 636 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,809 It's kind of you feel like responsible 637 00:37:58,843 --> 00:38:00,978 you're gonna give it to someone else. 638 00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:02,313 Yeah, it's just one of those things 639 00:38:02,346 --> 00:38:03,681 that I think if you think about too much, 640 00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:05,383 you're just gonna (mumbles) 641 00:38:05,416 --> 00:38:06,417 and I think more than anything where 642 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:07,918 you just kind got to deal with 643 00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:10,187 it's a fact about you, it's not a defining fact about you. 644 00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:13,958 I'm me, I'm not a walking HIV virus, so yeah. 645 00:38:15,893 --> 00:38:18,062 - [Voiceover] What's your status? 646 00:38:18,095 --> 00:38:19,897 - My status? 647 00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:21,599 And to which are you referring? 648 00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:22,433 - [Voiceover] HIV. 649 00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:24,135 - HIV positive. 650 00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:28,005 - People are bare backing here, people are positive, 651 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,940 people are slamming as well. 652 00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:32,610 And the truth is some people, you know, 653 00:38:32,643 --> 00:38:34,312 are not scared at all. 654 00:38:34,345 --> 00:38:36,113 - I think there's probably a lot of guys at this point, 655 00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:39,417 in fact I know, we've gone like fucking rabbits, 656 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:40,418 saying at the time, 657 00:38:40,451 --> 00:38:41,252 this is really fucking horny, 658 00:38:41,285 --> 00:38:42,186 this is great. 659 00:38:42,219 --> 00:38:43,721 This is really fucking horny. 660 00:38:43,754 --> 00:38:47,325 And then afterwards saying I wish I'd stopped doing that. 661 00:38:47,358 --> 00:38:48,959 I don't like doing that. 662 00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:50,127 - I mean some people, 663 00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:52,029 they can be like crawling on the floor 664 00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:52,963 and not being able to talk, 665 00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:54,398 but I'll still use a condom 666 00:38:54,432 --> 00:38:55,900 'cause then it's like hardwired into their head 667 00:38:55,933 --> 00:38:59,870 that they're not catching HIV, Hep C, all these STI's. 668 00:38:59,904 --> 00:39:01,839 Some people, they'll just do it, they'll ask, 669 00:39:01,872 --> 00:39:02,973 "Are you positive? 670 00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:03,808 "Are you negative?" 671 00:39:03,841 --> 00:39:05,242 This that and the other. 672 00:39:05,276 --> 00:39:07,144 - Well I know I've met people and they've said to me, 673 00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:09,780 "Just go, get it over and done with. 674 00:39:09,814 --> 00:39:13,117 "Just take a tablet and you're alright." 675 00:39:14,518 --> 00:39:17,088 - Everything is okay, but you are HIV positive. 676 00:39:17,121 --> 00:39:18,789 You test positive. 677 00:39:18,823 --> 00:39:20,157 I was in shock. 678 00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:21,359 I didn't talk to my family. 679 00:39:21,392 --> 00:39:22,860 I didn't share with friends. 680 00:39:22,893 --> 00:39:27,198 I didn't pay attention about the dimension of the problem. 681 00:39:27,231 --> 00:39:30,401 - I'm still negative, but people told me, 682 00:39:30,434 --> 00:39:32,970 on this website where you can basically 683 00:39:33,003 --> 00:39:34,805 go to find sex and chems, 684 00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:36,907 they told me, "You should tell you're undetectable, 685 00:39:36,941 --> 00:39:38,642 "because it's gonna freak them out, 686 00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:40,778 "'cause they're gonna think they might infect you." 687 00:39:40,811 --> 00:39:43,481 So I do say I'm undetectable. 688 00:39:43,514 --> 00:39:45,483 - [Voiceover] You say you have the virus, but you're 689 00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:49,987 undetectable in order to have the sex that you want. 690 00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:51,522 - Yes, I do. 691 00:39:51,555 --> 00:39:55,226 I do say that I'm undetectable so they I will find more sex. 692 00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:59,997 - I heard someone say they wanted HIV. 693 00:40:03,534 --> 00:40:04,735 And the sick thing is I can actually 694 00:40:04,769 --> 00:40:07,037 understand it in this life, 695 00:40:12,643 --> 00:40:14,578 'cause it's just easier to know you've got it 696 00:40:14,612 --> 00:40:18,716 than to always be worrying about getting it. 697 00:40:18,749 --> 00:40:22,586 But I can see people now coming onto the scene 698 00:40:24,054 --> 00:40:25,890 and they're 18, 19, 20 699 00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:29,460 and they talk like I used to. 700 00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:30,828 Like it was all just a game. 701 00:40:30,861 --> 00:40:33,864 Like it was all just something that, 702 00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:37,368 don't give a fuck, give a fuck, 703 00:40:37,401 --> 00:40:39,303 STD's, get a shot up your ass, 704 00:40:39,336 --> 00:40:41,305 you got syphilis and all this shit. 705 00:40:41,338 --> 00:40:44,575 Oh you know, let's all deal with it. 706 00:40:44,608 --> 00:40:49,246 Being diagnosed with HIV, it was a wake up call 707 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,781 'cause it happened 708 00:40:53,417 --> 00:40:55,719 after I'd OD'd on G 709 00:40:55,753 --> 00:40:57,421 and physically died. 710 00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:06,197 I went to the doctors to ask for the medication 711 00:41:07,565 --> 00:41:08,999 about a month ago 712 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,138 and they said it was 713 00:41:20,044 --> 00:41:22,279 it was not the right time for me. 714 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:24,949 Physically they want me to go on it. 715 00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:28,486 They're aiming to get me there for summer, 716 00:41:29,353 --> 00:41:31,288 but I'm not there mentally. 717 00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:35,459 I'm not secure in myself, 'cause it's a lifelong commitment. 718 00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:36,894 I'm 26 years old. 719 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:50,441 (melancholic ambient music) 720 00:42:00,251 --> 00:42:01,785 - So it's been a week since I 721 00:42:01,819 --> 00:42:04,688 went to the first counseling session. 722 00:42:04,722 --> 00:42:08,492 Last night, went out for a friend's birthday party. 723 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:11,962 We were quite drunk and there was that trigger 724 00:42:11,996 --> 00:42:15,599 to kind of really want to go and get online 725 00:42:17,134 --> 00:42:19,270 and find some drugs and find some people, 726 00:42:19,303 --> 00:42:22,973 but I woke up this morning a little hungover 727 00:42:24,975 --> 00:42:26,277 and I've had a good day. 728 00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:27,544 It's felt good. 729 00:42:33,117 --> 00:42:35,953 Taking drugs and having sex parties and chemsex, 730 00:42:35,986 --> 00:42:39,290 I don't know whether I'd specifically say whoa, 731 00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:41,825 it's becoming a massive epidemic in society. 732 00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:44,094 Sex and drugs and drinking has always 733 00:42:44,128 --> 00:42:46,697 been a big part of society. 734 00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:47,765 There's certain people obviously 735 00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:50,234 who would probably judge you. 736 00:42:50,267 --> 00:42:53,270 People in the workplace, people in the street you meet, 737 00:42:53,304 --> 00:42:56,573 especially if they're not on the same level. 738 00:42:56,607 --> 00:42:59,877 So to talk about it now and to be open about it 739 00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:02,012 and to be going to a counseling session about it 740 00:43:02,046 --> 00:43:05,950 it's quite a frightening thing to do, in a way. 741 00:43:10,587 --> 00:43:12,222 - This is Simon's second session. 742 00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:13,724 I'm not always sure they come back a second time, 743 00:43:13,757 --> 00:43:14,792 because we give them a hell of a lot 744 00:43:14,825 --> 00:43:16,694 to think about the first time. 745 00:43:16,727 --> 00:43:18,195 Simon. 746 00:43:18,228 --> 00:43:20,631 - [Simon] Hey, David. 747 00:43:20,664 --> 00:43:22,099 - Welcome back, it's been one week, yes? 748 00:43:22,132 --> 00:43:23,534 - It has been one week, yes. 749 00:43:23,567 --> 00:43:24,735 I haven't used anything. 750 00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:26,570 I haven't had sex. 751 00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:28,038 I haven't had any, I haven't been, 752 00:43:28,072 --> 00:43:29,506 I've been tempted 753 00:43:30,641 --> 00:43:33,077 and remember when I had triggers, I'd go on. 754 00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:36,880 You know, it's just trigger and recognizing it 755 00:43:36,914 --> 00:43:38,882 and just seeing it for what it is. 756 00:43:38,916 --> 00:43:40,351 - What we can talk about today, 757 00:43:40,384 --> 00:43:42,886 see if you want to extend that for another week. 758 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,788 - Little worried. 759 00:43:44,822 --> 00:43:46,056 There's two things coming up 760 00:43:46,090 --> 00:43:47,191 where I've made a conscious decision 761 00:43:47,224 --> 00:43:50,327 to already have something on me. 762 00:43:50,361 --> 00:43:51,729 There's a party coming up this Saturday 763 00:43:51,762 --> 00:43:53,797 and I end up getting tired and then 764 00:43:53,831 --> 00:43:56,300 feel the need to take drugs more. 765 00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:58,102 - You've hear the term of self-medicating, 766 00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:01,372 taking some substance to medicate a feeling 767 00:44:01,405 --> 00:44:03,173 and then taking another medication 768 00:44:03,207 --> 00:44:05,075 to deal with the side effects of that. 769 00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:09,279 Can you see how a little bit of what you're doing is that? 770 00:44:10,681 --> 00:44:12,116 - Definitely. 771 00:44:12,149 --> 00:44:13,617 Absolutely, 'cause actually when I take mephedrone, 772 00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:16,854 I take propranolol which is a beta blocker. 773 00:44:16,887 --> 00:44:18,022 Do you know it all started 774 00:44:18,055 --> 00:44:21,225 when I was first given antiretrovirals? 775 00:44:23,127 --> 00:44:25,029 Which I don't take anymore, but-- 776 00:44:25,062 --> 00:44:27,898 - Are you keeping in check with your health care team 777 00:44:27,931 --> 00:44:29,700 to know that you're well and everything then? 778 00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,935 - No, to be honest, it's a whole different discussion, 779 00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:33,203 a different story. 780 00:44:33,237 --> 00:44:35,773 I've got background in science and genetics, 781 00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:38,742 but I did a lot of research back in 2011, 782 00:44:38,776 --> 00:44:42,680 documentaries, books, websites and out of that, 783 00:44:43,881 --> 00:44:48,218 I decided to become an HIV/AIDS dissident. 784 00:44:48,252 --> 00:44:51,121 So, I don't believe I've got HIV 785 00:44:51,155 --> 00:44:54,691 and I don't believe that CD4 or viral load means anything, 786 00:44:54,725 --> 00:44:57,227 'cause lots of different reasons. 787 00:44:57,261 --> 00:44:59,329 - When you got an HIV diagnosis, 788 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,498 do you think you were lied to? 789 00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:02,599 - No, no, no. 790 00:45:03,967 --> 00:45:05,502 It's probably a discussion I don't want to have, 791 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:06,703 to be honest. 792 00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:07,971 It's not my reason for being here 793 00:45:08,005 --> 00:45:09,606 and I've got a whole email put together, 794 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,542 that I put together with links and documentaries 795 00:45:11,575 --> 00:45:12,776 and things for people to read, 796 00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:14,211 because as soon as I say something like that, 797 00:45:14,244 --> 00:45:17,815 not surprisingly, you get a reaction. 798 00:45:17,848 --> 00:45:19,783 So I deliberately put together the email to say 799 00:45:19,817 --> 00:45:22,219 "Look, you know what, happy to talk about it, 800 00:45:22,252 --> 00:45:24,021 but give me your email address. 801 00:45:24,054 --> 00:45:26,757 Have a look at all this and then come back to me." 802 00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:29,193 And that's where I ended up. 803 00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:31,228 - Alright, I think I've been shut down here, which is cool. 804 00:45:31,261 --> 00:45:32,329 Send me the email. 805 00:45:32,362 --> 00:45:34,031 - [Simon] I will do. 806 00:45:35,165 --> 00:45:36,867 - We were talking about a plan, weren't we? 807 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,435 Imagine if you're sitting in that chair next week 808 00:45:38,469 --> 00:45:40,204 and you'd have two weeks off 809 00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:41,472 and you'd go, "You know what? 810 00:45:41,505 --> 00:45:42,539 "I had an awesome time at that party. 811 00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:43,707 "I didn't need to do drugs. 812 00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:45,542 "What a ridiculous conversation that was." 813 00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:47,511 - [Simon] Yeah, that would feel pretty good. 814 00:45:47,544 --> 00:45:49,179 - Okay, do we have another plan for a week then? 815 00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:51,448 - [Simon] Yes, let's do it. 816 00:45:51,482 --> 00:45:52,316 Thank you. 817 00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:03,427 - [David] I'm sorry I brought that up 818 00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:05,462 if that was a sore point 819 00:46:12,736 --> 00:46:15,706 - I've not taken any antiretrovirals since 2011. 820 00:46:15,739 --> 00:46:18,809 I came off them gradually, the ones that I were on 821 00:46:18,842 --> 00:46:20,444 and I've been fine. 822 00:46:22,379 --> 00:46:23,814 It wasn't an easy decision to come to, 823 00:46:23,847 --> 00:46:25,549 to stop taking antiretrovirals, 824 00:46:25,582 --> 00:46:28,152 with such a disease that has a big stigma about it. 825 00:46:28,185 --> 00:46:32,956 If you ignore it, you will die of a destroyed immune system. 826 00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:35,859 But then I was introduced to this group of HIV dissidents, 827 00:46:35,893 --> 00:46:39,463 of which I know there are quite a lot around the world. 828 00:46:39,496 --> 00:46:41,765 It was phenomenal and it was shocking at the same time, 829 00:46:41,798 --> 00:46:43,734 to watch and see people 830 00:46:44,801 --> 00:46:47,004 who had been diagnosed 20, 30 years ago 831 00:46:47,037 --> 00:46:50,407 and refused to take medications still alive today. 832 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,409 I believe the only thing that will ever kill me 833 00:46:52,442 --> 00:46:56,613 is to continually hard hit my body with drink and drugs. 834 00:47:02,052 --> 00:47:04,555 - When I get an email from a patient 835 00:47:04,588 --> 00:47:07,191 saying that HIV does not exist, 836 00:47:08,926 --> 00:47:10,093 you would think my immediate reaction 837 00:47:10,127 --> 00:47:11,828 would be, you know, nonsense. 838 00:47:11,862 --> 00:47:13,263 How ridiculous. 839 00:47:13,297 --> 00:47:16,533 But no, my first reaction is empathy. 840 00:47:16,567 --> 00:47:19,903 I get how traumatic an HIV diagnosis is. 841 00:47:24,875 --> 00:47:27,411 The stigma and the trauma is gonna come 842 00:47:27,444 --> 00:47:30,781 with a variety of responses and reactions and beliefs. 843 00:47:30,814 --> 00:47:32,516 This is a bitchin' virus 844 00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:35,986 and it's a bitch of a thing to live with. 845 00:47:41,725 --> 00:47:43,794 I struggled with, I've been HIV for a very long time. 846 00:47:43,827 --> 00:47:46,063 I've been HIV for 23 years. 847 00:47:48,031 --> 00:47:49,333 People are scared to touch you 848 00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:50,667 and there are conversations at dinner tables 849 00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:52,669 about drinking out of the same glass 850 00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:57,507 and then there's the confusion of the doctors around you. 851 00:47:57,541 --> 00:47:59,776 And all the while, you're in the midst of all this confusion 852 00:47:59,810 --> 00:48:01,645 knowing that you feel terrible, 853 00:48:01,678 --> 00:48:04,281 it gets worse and then you die. 854 00:48:18,996 --> 00:48:20,430 When I first moved in here, 855 00:48:20,464 --> 00:48:23,634 I'd been living with AIDS as the UK defines it, 856 00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:27,537 which is having five AIDS defining illnesses. 857 00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:29,439 I had a sofa along here. 858 00:48:29,473 --> 00:48:31,441 I'd had a nail in the wall, 859 00:48:31,475 --> 00:48:33,443 which I would hang my drip on. 860 00:48:33,477 --> 00:48:35,545 So everyday, for two hours, I would plug myself in, 861 00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:37,614 hang my drip up and watch TV. 862 00:48:37,648 --> 00:48:39,883 It was over in the corner before we had cable. 863 00:48:39,916 --> 00:48:42,653 It was a terrible end way to die. 864 00:48:46,556 --> 00:48:47,791 I had one friend that came around 865 00:48:47,824 --> 00:48:49,559 with two grams of coke every Thursday night. 866 00:48:49,593 --> 00:48:50,527 She said David, "You're gonna die. 867 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,862 "Let's have a good time." 868 00:48:51,895 --> 00:48:55,399 So yeah, on that sofa, with my drip up there, 869 00:48:55,432 --> 00:48:57,367 we'd get high on cocaine. 870 00:48:57,401 --> 00:48:59,603 I guess speaking therapeutically, 871 00:48:59,636 --> 00:49:02,739 I was learning that that time, 872 00:49:02,773 --> 00:49:04,207 at that very vulnerable time, 873 00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:07,477 that drugs served a purpose in making you feel good. 874 00:49:07,511 --> 00:49:09,946 And when you do learn tools when you're vulnerable, 875 00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:12,015 it's hard to let go because they work. 876 00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:13,250 It worked. 877 00:49:13,283 --> 00:49:16,053 I felt good for six hours once a week. 878 00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:23,627 And there was lots of experimental times. 879 00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:26,630 There were lots of trials they would put you on, 880 00:49:26,663 --> 00:49:28,098 but really, the protease inhibitors, 881 00:49:28,131 --> 00:49:29,199 when they were invented, 882 00:49:29,232 --> 00:49:30,801 awesome, awesome things. 883 00:49:30,834 --> 00:49:34,304 They are still part of the antiretroviral therapy now. 884 00:49:34,338 --> 00:49:35,205 They made you vomit. 885 00:49:35,238 --> 00:49:36,807 It was like 12 pills. 886 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,775 They were giant, big things covered in wax 887 00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:40,043 'cause they were so big. 888 00:49:40,077 --> 00:49:41,445 The wax would help you swallow them. 889 00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:42,646 But they worked. 890 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:44,114 Within a month, I started to look good. 891 00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:46,083 Put on weight, feel good, having energy. 892 00:49:46,116 --> 00:49:47,150 It was so dramatic. 893 00:49:47,184 --> 00:49:48,352 It wasn't like you get to adapt 894 00:49:48,385 --> 00:49:49,786 to this over a six month period. 895 00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:53,223 It was like within a month, just so good. 896 00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:58,628 Then you have to figure, "What do I do with this?" 897 00:50:01,631 --> 00:50:03,600 I had money because I had some benefits. 898 00:50:03,633 --> 00:50:04,801 I had my health. 899 00:50:04,835 --> 00:50:06,336 I had my trauma. 900 00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:10,273 And I had a scene outside my door, a gay scene. 901 00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:13,543 And a whole lot of things I needed, 902 00:50:13,577 --> 00:50:17,647 like intimacy, friends, being part of a community, sex. 903 00:50:20,417 --> 00:50:21,852 And crystal meth. 904 00:50:23,286 --> 00:50:24,521 There was no mephedrone then. 905 00:50:24,554 --> 00:50:25,989 I was never into G. 906 00:50:26,022 --> 00:50:28,959 But crystal meth, it tapped into something I needed. 907 00:50:28,992 --> 00:50:32,295 It served the purpose that I needed at the time. 908 00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:33,797 And so there was another decade missing, 909 00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:36,767 so before I knew it, I was like 40 and still missed out 910 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,137 on like a whole adult life of normality. 911 00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:47,310 What's amazing about chemsex now is an unidentifiable issue. 912 00:50:47,344 --> 00:50:49,279 It looks to some people like a whole bunch 913 00:50:49,312 --> 00:50:52,482 of greedy, self-indulgent, promiscuous gay boys 914 00:50:52,516 --> 00:50:54,484 going out having fun on drugs. 915 00:50:54,518 --> 00:50:57,187 It's more complicated than that. 916 00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:21,711 Don't worry about the weather. 917 00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:23,079 Nothing's stopped Pride before. 918 00:51:23,113 --> 00:51:24,648 The law didn't stop Pride. 919 00:51:24,681 --> 00:51:26,616 Riots didn't stop Pride. 920 00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:28,752 Haters didn't stop Pride. 921 00:51:32,889 --> 00:51:33,890 What do you think this street will be like 922 00:51:33,924 --> 00:51:35,759 at five o'clock today? 923 00:51:36,726 --> 00:51:38,462 - Packed, absolutely rammed. 924 00:51:38,495 --> 00:51:41,832 And people'll be going and doing drugs in toilets. 925 00:51:41,865 --> 00:51:43,433 There'll be a lot of people linking up saying, 926 00:51:43,467 --> 00:51:45,168 "Oh, come on, meet with me tonight. 927 00:51:45,202 --> 00:51:46,703 "We'll go to this party." 928 00:51:46,736 --> 00:51:48,238 And they'll forget they've 929 00:51:48,271 --> 00:51:49,739 got all the alcohol in their bodies. 930 00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:53,677 They'll start taking G and G, alcohol, not good together. 931 00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:55,812 Straight to A&E Hospital. 932 00:51:58,648 --> 00:52:01,451 Point about Pride is just to remember all the crap 933 00:52:01,485 --> 00:52:03,687 the gay people have been put through this year, 934 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,156 like with what's going on in Russia, 935 00:52:06,189 --> 00:52:08,124 homophobic attacks in Vauxhall, 936 00:52:08,158 --> 00:52:10,827 people getting acid thrown in the face. 937 00:52:10,861 --> 00:52:13,964 Sometimes you can understand why people 938 00:52:13,997 --> 00:52:16,433 want to get out and get twatted off their face, 939 00:52:16,466 --> 00:52:20,003 because it's escapism from all the crap 940 00:52:20,036 --> 00:52:22,038 that they've gone through through this year. 941 00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:24,341 (cheering) 942 00:52:39,456 --> 00:52:41,057 - I've been a psychotherapist for 30 years 943 00:52:41,091 --> 00:52:42,292 and worked as a sex therapist 944 00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:45,729 for pretty much all of that time. 945 00:52:45,762 --> 00:52:46,963 There's been this idea 946 00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:48,265 around the good gays and the bad gays. 947 00:52:48,298 --> 00:52:49,866 The good gays get married and settle down 948 00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,602 and reproduce like heterosexuals 949 00:52:52,636 --> 00:52:54,070 and assimilate into society 950 00:52:54,104 --> 00:52:55,138 and then there are the bad gays 951 00:52:55,171 --> 00:52:57,207 who party and take drugs 952 00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,242 and have sex with anonymous strangers 953 00:52:59,276 --> 00:53:01,344 as if there's a kind of binary. 954 00:53:01,378 --> 00:53:04,214 I think it's more complex than that. 955 00:53:04,247 --> 00:53:07,150 Not everybody wants to assimilate. 956 00:53:07,183 --> 00:53:08,718 We've always been outside. 957 00:53:08,752 --> 00:53:10,620 We've always been on the margins. 958 00:53:10,654 --> 00:53:12,622 We write our own rules. 959 00:53:12,656 --> 00:53:15,425 We make our own relationships. 960 00:53:15,458 --> 00:53:18,895 We don't follow a heterosexual norm. 961 00:53:18,929 --> 00:53:21,198 Gay men grow up in a society where they feel 962 00:53:21,231 --> 00:53:24,801 they're mad, bad, or dangerous to know. 963 00:53:24,834 --> 00:53:27,737 Many times I think we police ourselves 964 00:53:27,771 --> 00:53:29,673 and we turn it inwards. 965 00:53:32,242 --> 00:53:34,778 And shame is probably one of the most common 966 00:53:34,811 --> 00:53:38,982 underlining issues that I see in my consulting room. 967 00:53:40,383 --> 00:53:43,453 Shame and a hyper-vigilance to being pathologized 968 00:53:43,486 --> 00:53:46,923 or being seen as mad, bad or dangerous to know, 969 00:53:46,957 --> 00:53:49,626 permeates the lives of all of us 970 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,830 who are queer to some degree or another. 971 00:54:08,378 --> 00:54:12,282 - I used to work in television a long time ago, 972 00:54:12,315 --> 00:54:15,719 but now I own a gay gym and sauna 973 00:54:15,752 --> 00:54:17,921 in London called Sweatbox. 974 00:54:19,322 --> 00:54:21,191 Pretty much within the last 18 months to a year, 975 00:54:21,224 --> 00:54:23,893 something dramatic has happened. 976 00:54:25,328 --> 00:54:26,696 - [Voiceover] What would you say to someone who would argue 977 00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:29,065 that you are potentially part of that? 978 00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:32,702 - Because I own a sexy based establishment? 979 00:54:36,506 --> 00:54:38,575 Well, I am part of it. 980 00:54:38,608 --> 00:54:39,876 We are all part of it. 981 00:54:39,909 --> 00:54:41,778 We all have sex. 982 00:54:41,811 --> 00:54:43,179 I think everybody wants to blame everybody 983 00:54:43,213 --> 00:54:46,216 except the people that are actually, 984 00:54:47,684 --> 00:54:51,855 that really need to acknowledge that it is their problem. 985 00:54:55,258 --> 00:54:57,293 - Can we ask the audience here who feels 986 00:54:57,327 --> 00:54:59,863 that chemsex is kind of a normalized part 987 00:54:59,896 --> 00:55:04,067 of something you have to deal with when you're online? 988 00:55:59,923 --> 00:56:01,458 - So here, no drinks allowed, 989 00:56:01,491 --> 00:56:05,662 because drinks is how they bring GBL into the building. 990 00:56:06,763 --> 00:56:09,532 Zero tolerance warning. 991 00:56:09,566 --> 00:56:13,770 Every locker has a G zero tolerance and reminder, 992 00:56:13,803 --> 00:56:15,105 "Do you really want your friends and family 993 00:56:15,138 --> 00:56:18,808 "finding out you died in a gay sauna?" 994 00:56:18,842 --> 00:56:23,012 That actually, this is not a nice place to end your days. 995 00:56:27,851 --> 00:56:29,786 Two massage rooms here. 996 00:56:29,819 --> 00:56:31,154 We come through, 997 00:56:34,457 --> 00:56:35,892 the jacuzzi bath. 998 00:56:38,962 --> 00:56:42,298 Two steam rooms, you can see steam room. 999 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:44,701 That's what it is. 1000 00:56:48,404 --> 00:56:52,008 There are kids coming to London from all over the world 1001 00:56:52,041 --> 00:56:55,345 hearing about the great London gay club scene 1002 00:56:55,378 --> 00:56:58,114 and all the drugs and all the wild parties 1003 00:56:58,148 --> 00:57:00,083 and they go, "Well, that's obviously what you're supposed 1004 00:57:00,116 --> 00:57:04,020 to do and can I have some too, please?" 1005 00:57:04,053 --> 00:57:06,723 For most of the rest of the world, 1006 00:57:06,756 --> 00:57:10,593 this is the best place to be gay in the world. 1007 00:57:13,696 --> 00:57:15,565 We do live in a culture, the gay culture, 1008 00:57:15,598 --> 00:57:17,700 that is always about excess. 1009 00:57:17,734 --> 00:57:18,768 It's about the biggest cock, 1010 00:57:18,802 --> 00:57:19,702 the most amount of drugs, 1011 00:57:19,736 --> 00:57:21,871 the longest you've ever partied. 1012 00:57:21,905 --> 00:57:23,173 Just by that's what you see. 1013 00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:27,076 The vast majority of us are not like that 1014 00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:30,613 and I think this is the danger of externalizing, 1015 00:57:30,647 --> 00:57:33,049 looking for external causes of the problem. 1016 00:57:33,082 --> 00:57:34,751 The problem's only on the inside. 1017 00:57:34,784 --> 00:57:37,153 The problem is we're normalizing a type 1018 00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:39,422 of behavior that's extreme. 1019 00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:45,328 I have this on my iPad at home, 1020 00:57:45,361 --> 00:57:46,796 'cause I sit at home. 1021 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:48,798 Particularly I look at the locker room, 1022 00:57:48,832 --> 00:57:50,600 'cause that's where you can see people 1023 00:57:50,633 --> 00:57:52,602 going back to their lockers rather too often, 1024 00:57:52,635 --> 00:57:53,770 which means that they're taking something 1025 00:57:53,803 --> 00:57:55,305 out of there they shouldn't be. 1026 00:57:55,338 --> 00:57:58,708 Yes, we have the wall of shame. 1027 00:57:58,741 --> 00:58:03,146 We have somewhere between 16 and 20,000 people 1028 00:58:03,179 --> 00:58:05,215 coming through our doors a month. 1029 00:58:05,248 --> 00:58:07,617 We had a death here and I'm not gonna allow 1030 00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:09,586 that to happen again. 1031 00:58:09,619 --> 00:58:12,155 We had two guys in a couple of weeks ago, 1032 00:58:12,188 --> 00:58:14,824 one of them overdosed on GHB. 1033 00:58:14,858 --> 00:58:16,960 His partner didn't give a fuck. 1034 00:58:16,993 --> 00:58:19,062 He was off trying to pick up other guys 1035 00:58:19,095 --> 00:58:21,965 and fooling around while we were nursing his boyfriend 1036 00:58:21,998 --> 00:58:25,301 in and out of a coma and then suddenly, 1037 00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:27,070 the partner went down, as well. 1038 00:58:27,103 --> 00:58:29,606 So by that time, the ambulance had come, 1039 00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:31,074 took them both away. 1040 00:58:31,107 --> 00:58:33,109 They were both comatose. 1041 00:58:34,244 --> 00:58:35,712 They were hospitalized. 1042 00:58:35,745 --> 00:58:38,915 They recovered, they were fine. 1043 00:58:38,948 --> 00:58:40,850 The next day, one of their friends smuggled G 1044 00:58:40,884 --> 00:58:42,452 into the hospital. 1045 00:58:42,485 --> 00:58:43,686 They took it again. 1046 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,355 Both of them went back into the coma. 1047 00:58:45,388 --> 00:58:47,724 That's the level of the problem we're dealing with. 1048 00:58:47,757 --> 00:58:49,859 But that's specific to G. 1049 00:58:52,862 --> 00:58:55,331 A lot of gay men have died from GBL. 1050 00:58:55,365 --> 00:58:58,368 Far more than actually I think we realize, 1051 00:58:58,401 --> 00:59:01,738 because toxicologists tend to say a cocktail of drugs 1052 00:59:01,771 --> 00:59:03,306 when they find all the others in there 1053 00:59:03,339 --> 00:59:05,208 and don't acknowledge that the active ingredient 1054 00:59:05,241 --> 00:59:07,076 and every time is GBL. 1055 00:59:16,286 --> 00:59:19,355 (dark ominous music) 1056 00:59:35,204 --> 00:59:38,141 - This world spirals quite quickly. 1057 00:59:41,344 --> 00:59:42,345 I was out... 1058 00:59:49,385 --> 00:59:51,387 looking for a good time. 1059 00:59:58,695 --> 01:00:01,230 I thought I was going to this guy's house 1060 01:00:01,264 --> 01:00:02,999 to go to a chill-out. 1061 01:00:04,867 --> 01:00:06,869 I met him on the street. 1062 01:00:19,382 --> 01:00:20,283 If I knew I was waking up on the floor of a bathroom, 1063 01:00:20,316 --> 01:00:22,719 not knowing what they've done, 1064 01:00:49,379 --> 01:00:50,880 I'd never done it. 1065 01:01:03,426 --> 01:01:05,928 There's humiliation you suffer 1066 01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:11,401 when you put yourself into these situations. 1067 01:01:20,043 --> 01:01:22,311 And of course, you've gotta 1068 01:01:23,646 --> 01:01:27,283 live with all these thoughts and all this pain. 1069 01:01:31,721 --> 01:01:32,688 It's shit, so what do you do? 1070 01:01:32,722 --> 01:01:34,490 You get high. 1071 01:01:34,524 --> 01:01:37,593 I just put it to the back of my mind. 1072 01:01:38,494 --> 01:01:40,263 And so I got wrecked. 1073 01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:48,404 I fucked any guy that pretty much came onto me. 1074 01:01:48,438 --> 01:01:49,872 In these parties, 1075 01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:55,545 you could get up to 50, 60 guys when it's all through. 1076 01:01:58,848 --> 01:02:02,452 It's promising that little bit of escapism. 1077 01:02:19,068 --> 01:02:21,671 (men chatting) 1078 01:03:05,581 --> 01:03:07,083 (moaning) 1079 01:03:07,116 --> 01:03:10,586 - [Voiceover] Slamming Tina, it is the most experience, 1080 01:03:16,526 --> 01:03:19,128 when you come off on it, it's amazing. 1081 01:03:19,162 --> 01:03:21,264 Bizarrely, there is something slightly sexual 1082 01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:23,466 about the act of doing it. 1083 01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:26,102 It's quite intimate. 1084 01:03:26,135 --> 01:03:27,537 It's quite horny. 1085 01:03:29,872 --> 01:03:33,809 Now, I get a hard on while it's being prepared. 1086 01:03:37,647 --> 01:03:41,184 - If slamming would be as easy as every time you slam, 1087 01:03:41,217 --> 01:03:42,919 you got the high, you hit the vein correctly 1088 01:03:42,952 --> 01:03:44,287 and it was safe, 1089 01:03:45,454 --> 01:03:48,291 I would say, wow, this is amazing. 1090 01:03:50,626 --> 01:03:52,161 I really don't know what happened. 1091 01:03:52,195 --> 01:03:54,363 I thought I'd hit the vein correctly, 1092 01:03:54,397 --> 01:03:55,531 but I obviously didn't. 1093 01:03:55,565 --> 01:03:59,202 I injected the solution under the tissue 1094 01:03:59,235 --> 01:04:00,403 and just to show you, 1095 01:04:00,436 --> 01:04:02,371 I'd like you can focus on the other arm, 1096 01:04:02,405 --> 01:04:05,041 you can see these kind of lumpy areas. 1097 01:04:05,074 --> 01:04:07,009 Again, this is from overusing veins. 1098 01:04:07,043 --> 01:04:08,978 It gets all very hard. 1099 01:04:09,011 --> 01:04:11,948 - There's a younger boy, he took his clothes off 1100 01:04:11,981 --> 01:04:15,651 and half of his arm, it was purple. 1101 01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:19,922 Because mephedrone is so bad for your vision, 1102 01:04:19,956 --> 01:04:21,891 he had basically blood. 1103 01:04:24,193 --> 01:04:28,197 - The line between reality and fantasy blurs. 1104 01:04:28,231 --> 01:04:29,932 If people are doing that each weekend, 1105 01:04:29,966 --> 01:04:32,935 they're perhaps not even living at all. 1106 01:04:32,969 --> 01:04:35,705 They might actually just be the walking dead. 1107 01:04:35,738 --> 01:04:37,506 - One day, I freaking out 1108 01:04:37,540 --> 01:04:41,611 that I don't even notice that it was a week gone. 1109 01:04:44,847 --> 01:04:45,681 A week. 1110 01:04:48,618 --> 01:04:52,989 - I pulled my teeth out psychotically with a screwdriver. 1111 01:04:53,022 --> 01:04:54,890 I weighed seven stone 1112 01:04:54,924 --> 01:04:56,392 and I sprayed myself bright orange 1113 01:04:56,425 --> 01:04:58,327 to make myself look healthy, 1114 01:04:58,361 --> 01:05:01,831 which was probably the most insane part of it. 1115 01:05:01,864 --> 01:05:03,766 - Drug induced psychosis is a frightening thing, 1116 01:05:03,799 --> 01:05:05,234 for people to feel they're being followed 1117 01:05:05,268 --> 01:05:07,770 by vans with darkened windows. 1118 01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:11,474 They get home and they think their computers 1119 01:05:11,507 --> 01:05:13,643 are bugged and they can't use their computer or their phone. 1120 01:05:13,676 --> 01:05:15,077 They're convinced that they're being watched 1121 01:05:15,111 --> 01:05:18,314 through the webcam and entirely convinced of this. 1122 01:05:18,347 --> 01:05:20,349 It's a very normal consequence of being awake 1123 01:05:20,383 --> 01:05:22,752 for three days on this powerful drug. 1124 01:05:22,785 --> 01:05:25,688 - [Voiceover] When was the last time you slammed, Miguel? 1125 01:05:25,721 --> 01:05:28,157 - This morning around six AM. 1126 01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:32,762 It's like one minute I was fine 1127 01:05:32,795 --> 01:05:34,130 and the other day I was taking all the covers 1128 01:05:34,163 --> 01:05:36,098 I could find in the flat and going inside them 1129 01:05:36,132 --> 01:05:37,333 and saying, "What is wrong? 1130 01:05:37,366 --> 01:05:38,401 "I have a fever. 1131 01:05:38,434 --> 01:05:39,869 "Maybe I injected a bacteria." 1132 01:05:39,902 --> 01:05:43,906 My head was like, "I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. 1133 01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:50,613 (groaning ominous music) 1134 01:06:21,277 --> 01:06:25,081 It was 40 now, five of water and a bit of my blood 1135 01:06:25,114 --> 01:06:26,949 and I did all of that. 1136 01:06:34,123 --> 01:06:35,725 - [Voiceover] What are you checking for? 1137 01:06:35,758 --> 01:06:38,260 - I did not put the lock, so if he comes in, 1138 01:06:38,294 --> 01:06:39,462 'cause I don't want him 1139 01:06:39,495 --> 01:06:42,465 to discover the whole story, by mistake. 1140 01:06:48,971 --> 01:06:50,039 That depends. 1141 01:06:56,846 --> 01:06:58,814 I have a self-destruct button. 1142 01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:01,250 I press it quite a few times. 1143 01:07:02,318 --> 01:07:04,086 I got clean five months, then two months, 1144 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,021 then one month and a half, then one month, 1145 01:07:06,055 --> 01:07:09,592 and now I can barely stay clean two weeks. 1146 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,002 Like I hear things that are not here 1147 01:07:20,035 --> 01:07:23,539 and when I close my eyes it all disappears 1148 01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:26,142 and once I thought I heard somebody, 1149 01:07:26,175 --> 01:07:30,646 an angel saying, "But he doesn't know he's isn't addicted." 1150 01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:32,515 And if I do that, 1151 01:07:32,548 --> 01:07:35,050 I don't hear anything anymore. 1152 01:07:39,121 --> 01:07:40,790 I'm making it worse. 1153 01:08:00,109 --> 01:08:02,611 Last time I had slamming stop, 1154 01:08:03,846 --> 01:08:06,582 because sometimes I have done it. 1155 01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:17,793 No, I will insist (mumbling). 1156 01:08:17,827 --> 01:08:19,495 For some reason, no. 1157 01:08:30,573 --> 01:08:33,275 - [Voiceover] Just one last thing. 1158 01:08:33,309 --> 01:08:34,977 What's your message? 1159 01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:43,185 - My message would be this is a disease. 1160 01:08:43,219 --> 01:08:45,054 This is not something you can slap out of 1161 01:08:45,087 --> 01:08:47,289 and say, "I'm not taking drugs anymore." 1162 01:08:47,323 --> 01:08:48,324 You have to put in the work. 1163 01:08:48,357 --> 01:08:49,959 You have to be in contact. 1164 01:08:49,992 --> 01:08:51,794 Don't let the drug control you. 1165 01:08:51,827 --> 01:08:53,796 'Cause if they do control me, 1166 01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:56,565 I don't have the ability to stop. 1167 01:09:07,409 --> 01:09:09,678 - [Simon] It's now nearly nine o'clock. 1168 01:09:09,712 --> 01:09:13,048 I have some meth in my back pocket 1169 01:09:13,082 --> 01:09:15,351 and I've not taken any yet. 1170 01:09:15,384 --> 01:09:16,552 I have to admit, 1171 01:09:16,585 --> 01:09:19,688 the more I drink, the more I'm tempted. 1172 01:09:19,722 --> 01:09:21,957 It's now nearly 10 o'clock. 1173 01:09:21,991 --> 01:09:25,761 I caved in and did my first sniff in the loo. 1174 01:09:28,330 --> 01:09:30,099 Now that I've come home, 1175 01:09:30,132 --> 01:09:33,435 I'm awake and wanting to get on the internet 1176 01:09:33,469 --> 01:09:34,803 to look for men. 1177 01:09:36,105 --> 01:09:38,107 I just did another slam 1178 01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:40,476 and it didn't get me really high, 1179 01:09:40,509 --> 01:09:45,047 but being online, I'm on Grindr at the moment. 1180 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,549 So, yeah. 1181 01:09:46,582 --> 01:09:50,586 I think it is difficult to stop a ball rolling now. 1182 01:10:01,931 --> 01:10:04,767 - It's our third session together. 1183 01:10:06,135 --> 01:10:08,404 We're just hoping, fingers crossed, he's broken his cycle. 1184 01:10:08,437 --> 01:10:10,906 If not, we battle on. 1185 01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:12,274 - [Elevator] Floor three. 1186 01:10:12,308 --> 01:10:14,843 - Almost 48 since I last slammed, yeah. 1187 01:10:14,877 --> 01:10:15,711 48 hours. 1188 01:10:18,681 --> 01:10:19,848 - [David] When did you start to become aware 1189 01:10:19,882 --> 01:10:22,017 that you wanted to use? 1190 01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:26,255 - Because I had stuff on me and because I was drinking. 1191 01:10:26,288 --> 01:10:31,193 So again, it was almost a well, I've got stuff on me, 1192 01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:33,996 I'm drinking, it's gonna happen. 1193 01:10:34,029 --> 01:10:35,231 And so I did. 1194 01:10:35,264 --> 01:10:37,600 The trigger just run away with itself. 1195 01:10:37,633 --> 01:10:40,169 It's like when you're so used to doing something, 1196 01:10:40,202 --> 01:10:42,271 to suddenly say this is my last time, 1197 01:10:42,304 --> 01:10:43,372 it's painful. 1198 01:10:45,507 --> 01:10:46,842 Okay, this is... 1199 01:10:49,812 --> 01:10:51,046 Sunday morning. 1200 01:10:52,448 --> 01:10:55,117 Anyway, I'm off to a guy's flat. 1201 01:10:57,753 --> 01:11:00,356 Well here I am at a guy's house 1202 01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:05,027 and we've been doing mephedrone together. 1203 01:11:08,664 --> 01:11:11,433 I've had a really good time 1204 01:11:11,467 --> 01:11:13,736 and a really great weekend. 1205 01:11:15,004 --> 01:11:17,072 And I'm kind of almost ashamed to go back 1206 01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:18,540 and to admit that 1207 01:11:23,779 --> 01:11:27,683 I've just been doing the same old stuff really. 1208 01:11:29,418 --> 01:11:31,553 - There is something really desperately unhappy 1209 01:11:31,587 --> 01:11:34,256 and kind of desperate that you don't spend 1210 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:37,393 a lot of time thinking about. 1211 01:11:37,426 --> 01:11:41,263 That you're reluctant to talk to me about. 1212 01:11:41,297 --> 01:11:45,367 And you spend a lot of time not letting it get in 1213 01:11:47,436 --> 01:11:49,138 and the more drugs you do, 1214 01:11:49,171 --> 01:11:51,373 the more denial takes over and you push that away 1215 01:11:51,407 --> 01:11:54,910 and that's just not gonna do you any good. 1216 01:11:56,278 --> 01:11:57,079 What? 1217 01:11:57,112 --> 01:11:57,913 - I don't know. 1218 01:11:57,946 --> 01:11:59,882 I just feel ridiculous. 1219 01:12:00,949 --> 01:12:02,384 This is so silly. 1220 01:12:03,986 --> 01:12:07,890 It's silly that you even question it, isn't it? 1221 01:12:15,064 --> 01:12:17,232 (sobbing) 1222 01:12:27,509 --> 01:12:29,445 It's so fucking stupid. 1223 01:12:47,162 --> 01:12:48,664 - [Voiceover] Nice to see you all again. 1224 01:12:48,697 --> 01:12:52,167 Welcome to Let's Talk About Gay Sex and Drugs at Manbar. 1225 01:12:55,104 --> 01:12:56,572 We go to clubs, we take the drugs. 1226 01:12:56,605 --> 01:12:59,007 There's nothing more to judge, but why? 1227 01:12:59,041 --> 01:12:59,842 Why? 1228 01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:01,110 Because it's fun. 1229 01:13:01,143 --> 01:13:02,077 We dance and snort and sniff and kiss. 1230 01:13:02,111 --> 01:13:03,545 We don't ever need to sleep. 1231 01:13:03,579 --> 01:13:05,681 The meth keeps you up, the G makes you horny, 1232 01:13:05,714 --> 01:13:06,949 the crystal even more so 1233 01:13:06,982 --> 01:13:10,319 and the sex is the best you've ever had. 1234 01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:13,589 But there's a problem, I said. 1235 01:13:13,622 --> 01:13:15,991 Beneath the skin there's a dragon stirring. 1236 01:13:16,024 --> 01:13:17,526 You can only dance with it so often 1237 01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:19,762 before it burns and bites. 1238 01:13:19,795 --> 01:13:21,563 Why am I even speaking to you right now? 1239 01:13:21,597 --> 01:13:22,831 Why? 1240 01:13:22,865 --> 01:13:24,433 Because underneath the sex and drugs, 1241 01:13:24,466 --> 01:13:26,301 hidden in the dragon's shadow, 1242 01:13:26,335 --> 01:13:28,437 I feel there might yet exist 1243 01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:30,606 an irresistible wish for love. 1244 01:13:30,639 --> 01:13:32,241 (applause) 1245 01:13:32,274 --> 01:13:34,076 - Got my pocket as go for the toilet, 1246 01:13:34,109 --> 01:13:35,644 pull out a bag, insert a key, 1247 01:13:35,677 --> 01:13:37,045 powder heaped and I snort it. 1248 01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:38,313 I agree. 1249 01:13:38,347 --> 01:13:39,181 Lunatic. 1250 01:13:40,382 --> 01:13:43,018 - Why pretend your love must accompany erection? 1251 01:13:43,051 --> 01:13:45,020 This is a moment free affection, 1252 01:13:45,053 --> 01:13:47,589 a curiosity bound to end. 1253 01:13:47,623 --> 01:13:49,958 Which as good human muscle may, 1254 01:13:49,992 --> 01:13:52,027 against the muscle try it's strength, 1255 01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:54,163 exhausted into sleep at length 1256 01:13:54,196 --> 01:13:56,865 and will not last long into day. 1257 01:13:58,467 --> 01:14:01,804 (applause and cheering) 1258 01:14:07,342 --> 01:14:10,212 - When I was in the chemsex scene, 1259 01:14:10,245 --> 01:14:13,515 I was looking for someone who was caring and loving. 1260 01:14:13,549 --> 01:14:16,952 And obviously, you can't find that there. 1261 01:14:55,591 --> 01:14:57,693 When you are in crystal meth and you are slamming 1262 01:14:57,726 --> 01:15:02,130 and you are injecting crystal meth to other people, 1263 01:15:02,164 --> 01:15:03,499 you are taking a really high risk 1264 01:15:03,532 --> 01:15:06,568 and you have a big responsibility, 1265 01:15:06,602 --> 01:15:07,836 not only for your health, 1266 01:15:07,870 --> 01:15:11,373 also for a lot of people around you. 1267 01:15:11,406 --> 01:15:13,041 Now that I have my brain clean, 1268 01:15:13,075 --> 01:15:14,543 I can see properly. 1269 01:15:14,576 --> 01:15:18,413 It's like oh my God, this is really, really not okay. 1270 01:15:19,615 --> 01:15:22,751 I have to think what I want in my future. 1271 01:15:22,784 --> 01:15:25,020 I don't wanna hide anymore. 1272 01:15:26,355 --> 01:15:27,956 I want to help people. 1273 01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:30,459 You know, maybe feel really good. 1274 01:15:30,492 --> 01:15:31,326 Sorry. 1275 01:15:50,078 --> 01:15:50,979 - These are new trends. 1276 01:15:51,013 --> 01:15:52,948 Crystal meth, G and mephedrone. 1277 01:15:52,981 --> 01:15:55,417 Crystal meth looks like this. 1278 01:15:57,219 --> 01:15:59,655 It's called Tina, like Tina Turner. 1279 01:15:59,688 --> 01:16:01,990 Talking about drugs and chemsex every day, 1280 01:16:02,024 --> 01:16:04,359 do you think that would be something that triggers you 1281 01:16:04,393 --> 01:16:06,662 or that helps you in your recovery? 1282 01:16:06,695 --> 01:16:10,532 - I can see exactly all the risks that I took 1283 01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:14,102 when I was on the effects of drugs 1284 01:16:14,136 --> 01:16:17,105 and now it's like I can see clearly what I want. 1285 01:16:17,139 --> 01:16:18,840 It's helping me definitely to develop 1286 01:16:18,874 --> 01:16:20,943 and go on in my recovery. 1287 01:16:23,111 --> 01:16:24,813 We are here to support them. 1288 01:16:24,846 --> 01:16:27,149 Help them whatever they want to achieve. 1289 01:16:27,182 --> 01:16:28,717 I'm not gonna be judgmental 1290 01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:32,087 in the sense that they can trust us, 1291 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,958 no matter what happened, we are gonna be here. 1292 01:16:43,098 --> 01:16:45,434 You know where I've been in hell, 1293 01:16:45,467 --> 01:16:48,036 the worst consequences is over. 1294 01:16:49,638 --> 01:16:52,574 Now, coping with reality is doable. 1295 01:16:55,177 --> 01:16:56,678 I'm facing my fears. 1296 01:16:56,712 --> 01:16:57,879 I'm proud of myself. 1297 01:16:57,913 --> 01:16:59,848 I'm not scared anymore. 1298 01:17:08,890 --> 01:17:11,093 - The experience of a gay man growing up different, 1299 01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:13,161 they might be in safe, loving homes, 1300 01:17:13,195 --> 01:17:15,497 but they might not experience it as safe and loving, 1301 01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:17,199 because they've got this secret. 1302 01:17:17,232 --> 01:17:19,735 Being at camp, at school and being bullied, 1303 01:17:19,768 --> 01:17:22,204 having the odd effeminate reaction to something 1304 01:17:22,237 --> 01:17:24,106 and knowing that's wrong, that's bad, 1305 01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:25,907 that gets me judged, that gets me beaten up, 1306 01:17:25,941 --> 01:17:27,075 that gets me rejected, 1307 01:17:27,109 --> 01:17:28,610 so I must become hyper-vigilant. 1308 01:17:28,643 --> 01:17:29,845 Don't let that happen again. 1309 01:17:29,878 --> 01:17:31,046 There's something different and wrong 1310 01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:33,849 and unlikable about my very nature. 1311 01:17:35,984 --> 01:17:39,354 So what we have is a kind of population of gay men 1312 01:17:39,388 --> 01:17:42,758 that are trying to incorporate intimacy 1313 01:17:42,791 --> 01:17:44,693 into their sex lives and their romantic lives 1314 01:17:44,726 --> 01:17:47,229 in the middle of an HIV epidemic. 1315 01:17:47,262 --> 01:17:49,765 There's no frame of reference. 1316 01:18:00,742 --> 01:18:04,379 - There is something about chemsex, 1317 01:18:04,413 --> 01:18:07,916 the privacy, the secrecy, the furtiveness, 1318 01:18:07,949 --> 01:18:12,020 that feels like it's part of it, otherwise shame. 1319 01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:18,360 It doesn't feel bold and open and in public and kind of 1320 01:18:18,393 --> 01:18:21,797 out there in a kind of out and proud way. 1321 01:18:26,101 --> 01:18:30,138 - Addressing the HIV epidemic should not have been about 1322 01:18:30,172 --> 01:18:34,276 medicine, dispensing condoms and getting people tested. 1323 01:18:34,309 --> 01:18:38,313 It should have been about addressing homophobia, 1324 01:18:39,714 --> 01:18:44,052 internalized homophobia, equal rights and well being 1325 01:18:44,086 --> 01:18:46,188 and we fell down there. 1326 01:18:46,221 --> 01:18:48,356 And we have the results here right now. 1327 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:49,925 - Life is getting better. 1328 01:18:49,958 --> 01:18:51,593 This problem is getting worse. 1329 01:18:51,626 --> 01:18:53,462 What's going on? 1330 01:18:53,495 --> 01:18:55,497 What are we doing wrong? 1331 01:18:57,299 --> 01:18:59,134 - A good majority of my life I've wasted 1332 01:18:59,167 --> 01:19:02,971 by fighting a cause that meant nothing. 1333 01:19:03,004 --> 01:19:05,040 To fight for the right to be gay, 1334 01:19:05,073 --> 01:19:07,576 to fight for the right for what they believe in 1335 01:19:07,609 --> 01:19:09,444 and then to go and destroy it all 1336 01:19:09,478 --> 01:19:11,847 by becoming a drug fuck mess, 1337 01:19:13,648 --> 01:19:16,184 there seems no point. 1338 01:19:16,218 --> 01:19:18,453 - [Voiceover] Can you stop? 1339 01:19:22,791 --> 01:19:24,326 - I'm trying. 1340 01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:26,628 - I can't imagine myself doing this in my 30's, in my 40's. 1341 01:19:26,661 --> 01:19:28,296 That would be just kinda weird. 1342 01:19:28,330 --> 01:19:29,865 Even though a lot of people obviously 1343 01:19:29,898 --> 01:19:32,400 in the chem scene are in their 30's, 40's, 50's 1344 01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:34,269 because this wasn't such a big thing 20 years ago 1345 01:19:34,302 --> 01:19:35,504 and they're just getting into it 1346 01:19:35,537 --> 01:19:36,771 whereas I'm kind of at the age where, 1347 01:19:36,805 --> 01:19:39,341 as it's blossoming, I can kinda get into it. 1348 01:19:39,374 --> 01:19:40,976 - There's real way to be clean, 1349 01:19:41,009 --> 01:19:42,878 to have a fulfilled relationship, 1350 01:19:42,911 --> 01:19:44,079 like when I say to people, 1351 01:19:44,112 --> 01:19:45,247 cause some people told me, 1352 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,582 you'd do anybody I suppose. 1353 01:19:47,616 --> 01:19:50,552 And then I say, actually I want to have kids. 1354 01:19:50,585 --> 01:19:51,953 I want to get married. 1355 01:19:51,987 --> 01:19:53,655 I want to have a cat. 1356 01:19:53,688 --> 01:19:55,957 I want a normal life. 1357 01:19:55,991 --> 01:19:58,760 - If I could turn back time, 1358 01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:01,163 on that day, July 15th, 1359 01:20:01,196 --> 01:20:03,532 when somebody said, "Take these pills." 1360 01:20:03,565 --> 01:20:04,833 If somebody would have said to me, 1361 01:20:04,866 --> 01:20:08,069 this is what it would have been like 1362 01:20:08,103 --> 01:20:10,272 (sobbing) 1363 01:20:12,307 --> 01:20:13,708 six months later, 1364 01:20:13,742 --> 01:20:15,210 I would have never done it. 1365 01:20:15,243 --> 01:20:16,478 - For a lot of guys, 1366 01:20:16,511 --> 01:20:19,080 a lot of them I don't really see anymore. 1367 01:20:19,114 --> 01:20:21,016 We used to do stuff. 1368 01:20:21,049 --> 01:20:25,220 Maybe not that amazing, we used to go out for food, 1369 01:20:26,087 --> 01:20:27,923 maybe go to the cinema 1370 01:20:30,091 --> 01:20:31,593 and now they don't 1371 01:20:33,195 --> 01:20:34,496 and every time you talk to them 1372 01:20:34,529 --> 01:20:36,565 it's just talking about the party they were at 1373 01:20:36,598 --> 01:20:39,668 or how much they're coming down or... 1374 01:20:44,072 --> 01:20:47,509 and you just think, I don't care. 1375 01:20:47,542 --> 01:20:49,544 I just want my mate back 1376 01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:55,517 and you don't know where they've gone. 1377 01:21:01,923 --> 01:21:04,993 (dark ominous music)97714

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