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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,878 --> 00:00:07,482 Introducing first, Mark Magnus! 2 00:00:07,583 --> 00:00:08,983 [Narrator] In the early 2000s, 3 00:00:09,117 --> 00:00:11,653 Marc Copani was a young wrestler with a dream. 4 00:00:11,785 --> 00:00:13,788 When I got the phone call that I was gonna be on 5 00:00:13,887 --> 00:00:17,158 the WWE, I knew it was gonna be special. 6 00:00:17,259 --> 00:00:20,495 You see, I'm the future of wrestling. 7 00:00:20,594 --> 00:00:22,664 But when they pitched me the idea, 8 00:00:22,797 --> 00:00:23,998 I was very nervous. 9 00:00:24,132 --> 00:00:26,468 You're looking at the great... 10 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:29,336 Muhammad Hassan! 11 00:00:29,471 --> 00:00:32,008 [booing & cheering] 12 00:00:32,106 --> 00:00:35,409 What? I said, "But he's Italian, from Syracuse." 13 00:00:35,509 --> 00:00:38,213 "Well, for us, he's gonna be a Middle Easterner." 14 00:00:38,313 --> 00:00:39,981 But Copani's path to stardom 15 00:00:40,082 --> 00:00:42,017 proved extremely controversial, 16 00:00:42,149 --> 00:00:45,020 as WWE cast him as a shocking new villain. 17 00:00:45,154 --> 00:00:47,423 We are three years removed from 9/11. 18 00:00:47,521 --> 00:00:49,656 And it's still a fresh wound. 19 00:00:49,790 --> 00:00:51,426 There was so much discrimination going on, 20 00:00:51,526 --> 00:00:53,594 so it was just instant heat. 21 00:00:53,695 --> 00:00:56,298 We're labeled terrorists! Terrorists! 22 00:00:56,363 --> 00:00:57,865 I'm a terrorist! 23 00:00:57,966 --> 00:01:00,603 He was stoking a lot of prejudices. 24 00:01:00,701 --> 00:01:04,605 America does not wish good will towards all men. 25 00:01:04,706 --> 00:01:07,308 Muhammad Hassan and what he was saying wasn't silly. 26 00:01:07,409 --> 00:01:09,010 What he was saying was right. 27 00:01:09,111 --> 00:01:11,478 And, no one wants to hear that they're wrong. 28 00:01:11,579 --> 00:01:13,313 Those people wanted to ----ing kill him. 29 00:01:13,382 --> 00:01:16,284 But it takes on an entirely different level 30 00:01:16,385 --> 00:01:18,052 once the London bombing occurs. 31 00:01:18,153 --> 00:01:19,454 It's a series of terrorist attacks 32 00:01:19,554 --> 00:01:21,156 in the capital this morning. 33 00:01:21,257 --> 00:01:24,125 That's when things started to go downhill. 34 00:01:24,225 --> 00:01:26,361 It was a ride straight to the top 35 00:01:26,460 --> 00:01:29,063 that ended in sudden disaster. 36 00:01:29,165 --> 00:01:32,167 The character started to become more radicalized. 37 00:01:32,233 --> 00:01:35,135 And suddenly he had a crew of terrorist henchmen. 38 00:01:35,236 --> 00:01:36,137 Oh, my god! 39 00:01:36,237 --> 00:01:37,906 That's what blew everything up. 40 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,707 Choke him. 41 00:01:39,808 --> 00:01:41,977 They underestimated the amount of scrutiny 42 00:01:42,076 --> 00:01:43,445 it was going to receive. 43 00:01:43,545 --> 00:01:46,415 The network was saying, "We're not gonna air 44 00:01:46,513 --> 00:01:50,084 SmackDown if this character is not written off." 45 00:01:50,186 --> 00:01:52,587 Instead of this being a footnote in his career, 46 00:01:52,686 --> 00:01:54,355 it became the last chapter. 47 00:01:54,423 --> 00:01:57,992 Everything that I had worked for was just gone. 48 00:01:58,093 --> 00:02:01,530 It was that quick. The rise, the fall. 49 00:02:01,629 --> 00:02:02,998 No, no, no, no! 50 00:02:03,096 --> 00:02:04,566 And then the rebirth. 51 00:02:04,665 --> 00:02:08,836 ♪ 52 00:02:08,937 --> 00:02:11,372 ♪ 53 00:02:11,438 --> 00:02:13,675 [crackling fireworks] 54 00:02:13,775 --> 00:02:18,212 Following WWE's unparalleled success in the late 1990s, 55 00:02:18,312 --> 00:02:20,883 in the early 2000s, the company struggles 56 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:23,585 to find its footing in a new era. 57 00:02:23,686 --> 00:02:26,122 The WWE was in a transition period. 58 00:02:26,221 --> 00:02:28,090 They had lost Stone Cold Steve Austin 59 00:02:28,188 --> 00:02:30,290 to injury and retirement. 60 00:02:30,391 --> 00:02:32,460 They'd lost the Rock to the movies. 61 00:02:32,593 --> 00:02:36,264 And they were trying to find their next major superstars. 62 00:02:36,364 --> 00:02:37,633 Hello, Kentucky! 63 00:02:37,764 --> 00:02:39,801 And welcome to Ohio Valley Wrestling! 64 00:02:39,901 --> 00:02:43,072 Ohio Valley Wrestling was a local wrestling promotion 65 00:02:43,170 --> 00:02:45,240 and training center here in Louisville, Kentucky, 66 00:02:45,341 --> 00:02:48,310 to serve as a developmental or a training program 67 00:02:48,443 --> 00:02:50,878 for aspiring WWE wrestlers. 68 00:02:50,979 --> 00:02:53,716 That's the trajectory that Brock Lesnar had taken, 69 00:02:53,814 --> 00:02:55,449 and John Cena, and Randy Orton, 70 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:57,819 and Batista. 71 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,823 If you had the athletic background, the size, 72 00:03:00,923 --> 00:03:03,625 the personality, we could show you how to be 73 00:03:03,725 --> 00:03:05,492 a successful pro wrestler. 74 00:03:05,593 --> 00:03:08,663 I'm Jim Cornette, and I was one of the trainers of the 75 00:03:08,795 --> 00:03:12,000 wrestler that would come to be known as Muhammad Hassan. 76 00:03:12,133 --> 00:03:14,002 [crowd chatter & cheering] 77 00:03:14,103 --> 00:03:16,971 When Marc Copani came in, he's 21 years old. 78 00:03:17,072 --> 00:03:19,741 He was in good shape. He had good looks. 79 00:03:19,842 --> 00:03:22,176 And you could see that he had a great amount of potential. 80 00:03:22,277 --> 00:03:25,080 Boy, this kid's come a long way- Oh, ho, ho! 81 00:03:25,179 --> 00:03:27,314 I was always athletic, and I always played sports, 82 00:03:27,415 --> 00:03:30,418 so wrestling kind of combined all of that for me. 83 00:03:30,519 --> 00:03:32,655 Feast your eyes and fantasize on 84 00:03:32,788 --> 00:03:36,125 this year's model, Mark Magnus. 85 00:03:36,224 --> 00:03:39,794 Mark's character was like, smug, arrogant. 86 00:03:39,895 --> 00:03:42,330 I'm better than you in every category type of thing. 87 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:45,032 My name is Chris Mordetzky, but you probably know me 88 00:03:45,165 --> 00:03:47,835 better as Chris Masters, The Masterpiece. 89 00:03:47,937 --> 00:03:49,371 This guy is a work of art. 90 00:03:49,503 --> 00:03:52,040 Mark was the OVW champion at one point. 91 00:03:52,174 --> 00:03:54,008 Obviously, the best. 92 00:03:54,108 --> 00:03:56,210 Jim Cornette booked Mark, and they were able to help 93 00:03:56,312 --> 00:03:59,548 give him an opportunity to get signed in WWE. 94 00:03:59,681 --> 00:04:02,717 In two years, he had gone from the lowest guy 95 00:04:02,850 --> 00:04:03,852 on the totem pole... 96 00:04:03,951 --> 00:04:05,354 No, wait a minute. Yes! 97 00:04:05,453 --> 00:04:07,156 ...to a main event wrestler in OVW. 98 00:04:07,254 --> 00:04:08,389 [phone ringing] 99 00:04:08,522 --> 00:04:11,825 And all of a sudden, I get a call from the WWE office... 100 00:04:14,062 --> 00:04:16,564 Saying they wanted to make him an Arab. 101 00:04:16,697 --> 00:04:18,833 And I'm... 102 00:04:18,899 --> 00:04:21,737 I said, "But he's Italian, from Syracuse. 103 00:04:21,869 --> 00:04:23,572 How, how is this gonna work?" 104 00:04:23,706 --> 00:04:26,841 Jim Cornette told me what they were looking for. 105 00:04:26,908 --> 00:04:29,511 Didn't really know how I felt about it at the time. 106 00:04:29,576 --> 00:04:31,579 But, this was a big opportunity, 107 00:04:31,713 --> 00:04:34,014 and not many people have a character 108 00:04:34,115 --> 00:04:35,550 that's handed to ‘em. 109 00:04:35,649 --> 00:04:37,151 So, there was no doubt about it, 110 00:04:37,250 --> 00:04:39,252 I was gonna do the character. 111 00:04:39,353 --> 00:04:43,225 My name's Marc Copani, and in 2004 and 2005, 112 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:46,494 I played the character Muhammad Hassan on WWE. 113 00:04:46,593 --> 00:04:48,329 Marc was very dark complected, 114 00:04:48,428 --> 00:04:49,896 he has the dark hair. 115 00:04:49,999 --> 00:04:52,000 He could look like a stereotypical 116 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:54,103 Arab villain in a movie. 117 00:04:54,235 --> 00:04:56,103 Oh, yeah, Jimmy, it's gonna be that good. 118 00:04:56,204 --> 00:04:59,675 So now Mark Magnus is no more, and instead, 119 00:04:59,774 --> 00:05:01,709 he is Muhammad Hassan. 120 00:05:01,810 --> 00:05:03,745 Praise Allah. 121 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:07,115 When I told my family that I was gonna be 122 00:05:07,249 --> 00:05:09,916 an Arab American, they definitely... 123 00:05:10,019 --> 00:05:12,788 were trepidatious about the fact that I was gonna be 124 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,721 portraying another nationality, one, 125 00:05:14,822 --> 00:05:17,291 in this country at the time that was particularly 126 00:05:17,425 --> 00:05:19,761 not trusted and even hated. 127 00:05:19,862 --> 00:05:21,461 -[chanting] USA! USA! -Now wait a minute! 128 00:05:21,562 --> 00:05:23,132 The crowd have turned their backs... 129 00:05:23,230 --> 00:05:24,466 That says it all. 130 00:05:24,564 --> 00:05:26,968 ...on these three disreputable individuals! 131 00:05:27,101 --> 00:05:29,303 The character of Muhammad Hassan is 132 00:05:29,437 --> 00:05:31,439 a direct response to the horrific 133 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:34,976 and tragic events of just a few years earlier. 134 00:05:35,076 --> 00:05:36,978 We have a breaking news story to tell you about. 135 00:05:37,077 --> 00:05:39,581 Apparently a plane has just crashed into the 136 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,649 World Trade Center here in New York City. 137 00:05:42,783 --> 00:05:44,819 I remember I was walking home from class, 138 00:05:44,918 --> 00:05:47,423 and I hear people talking, and I'm not really 139 00:05:47,488 --> 00:05:49,725 processing what they're saying. 140 00:05:49,824 --> 00:05:52,326 But I get home, and I turn the TV on, 141 00:05:52,459 --> 00:05:55,629 and I see the devastation. 142 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:58,666 And then, it hit me, this wasn't an accident, 143 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,435 this was an attack. 144 00:06:00,535 --> 00:06:02,603 And at the time, no one knew what was gonna happen. 145 00:06:02,670 --> 00:06:04,173 It was very uncertain. 146 00:06:04,271 --> 00:06:06,607 And I think one of the things that wrestling 147 00:06:06,675 --> 00:06:09,444 did for me is when they went on the air. 148 00:06:09,543 --> 00:06:11,947 Right after 9/11, and the show must go on. 149 00:06:12,045 --> 00:06:13,648 [chanting] USA! USA! 150 00:06:13,749 --> 00:06:17,185 We will not live our lives in fear. 151 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:19,586 [cheering] 152 00:06:19,687 --> 00:06:22,557 It was a defining moment that wrestling could have such a 153 00:06:22,656 --> 00:06:26,494 positive impact on me when I was feeling so negative. 154 00:06:26,627 --> 00:06:28,362 ♪ [national anthem] ♪ 155 00:06:28,497 --> 00:06:30,466 When I was scared, when I didn't know 156 00:06:30,531 --> 00:06:31,531 what was gonna happen, 157 00:06:31,632 --> 00:06:34,535 I put wrestling on and for those few hours... 158 00:06:34,636 --> 00:06:36,872 it didn't matter. 159 00:06:37,004 --> 00:06:38,805 -We'll be back. -[cheering] 160 00:06:38,906 --> 00:06:43,677 The WWE was really rallying behind this patriotism, 161 00:06:43,778 --> 00:06:47,382 and that would embed the country coming out of 9/11. 162 00:06:47,514 --> 00:06:52,452 And, it inevitably was going to seep into its programing. 163 00:06:52,552 --> 00:06:56,257 Osama bin Laden, the exiled terrorist, 164 00:06:56,357 --> 00:06:59,793 is involved, if not totally responsible for, 165 00:06:59,894 --> 00:07:01,396 this coordinated attack. 166 00:07:01,529 --> 00:07:03,531 Post September 11th, there was 167 00:07:03,632 --> 00:07:05,466 so much discrimination going on. 168 00:07:05,565 --> 00:07:07,569 You couldn't really escape it in the United States 169 00:07:07,668 --> 00:07:08,702 around that time. 170 00:07:08,802 --> 00:07:10,670 A lot of people would think terrorist automatically. 171 00:07:10,771 --> 00:07:14,242 We have four basic emotions, anger being one of them. 172 00:07:14,375 --> 00:07:16,411 Transform that into wrestling terms, 173 00:07:16,543 --> 00:07:20,982 you want to open that wound every time you possibly can. 174 00:07:21,083 --> 00:07:22,050 My name's Maven Huffman. 175 00:07:22,149 --> 00:07:25,853 I wrestled in the WWE alongside Muhammad Hassan. 176 00:07:25,952 --> 00:07:29,423 In 2004, 9/11 is still fresh on the minds 177 00:07:29,557 --> 00:07:31,324 of a lot of people. 178 00:07:31,425 --> 00:07:34,629 Once we saw Muhammad come out, we just were like, 179 00:07:34,728 --> 00:07:37,064 "Ugh." [awkward laugh] He's gonna get heat. 180 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:38,934 We will spread the word of Allah 181 00:07:39,033 --> 00:07:42,036 to all of you despicable infidels. 182 00:07:42,103 --> 00:07:43,271 The times we were in, 183 00:07:43,404 --> 00:07:46,208 we didn't need an arrogant Italian. 184 00:07:46,307 --> 00:07:48,608 We needed someone who could just 185 00:07:48,709 --> 00:07:50,778 garner the hatred of a fan. 186 00:07:50,877 --> 00:07:52,413 Oh, wait a minute! Hold on! 187 00:07:52,512 --> 00:07:55,615 Along with the new Muhammad Hassan 188 00:07:55,750 --> 00:07:58,218 was gonna be Shawn Daivari. 189 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:00,887 Shawn Daivari is an independent wrestler 190 00:08:00,956 --> 00:08:03,524 that came out of Chicago, and was someone 191 00:08:03,625 --> 00:08:05,694 that was assigned to be 192 00:08:05,793 --> 00:08:07,627 the second to Muhammad Hassan, 193 00:08:07,762 --> 00:08:09,730 and was able to speak Farsi. 194 00:08:09,831 --> 00:08:13,100 [speaking Farsi] 195 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:15,303 They called me up: "I'd like to offer you a job." 196 00:08:15,437 --> 00:08:17,639 I met Mark Magnus, who was Muhammad. 197 00:08:17,737 --> 00:08:18,874 And like, he told me that 198 00:08:18,973 --> 00:08:20,141 they're gonna be like two Arabs. 199 00:08:20,274 --> 00:08:22,276 Praise... 200 00:08:22,375 --> 00:08:24,146 Allah. 201 00:08:24,278 --> 00:08:27,449 Before being introduced to the WWE audience, 202 00:08:27,548 --> 00:08:32,386 Copani and Daivari test out their new characters in OVW. 203 00:08:32,486 --> 00:08:34,623 And we started trying things out at house shows. 204 00:08:34,722 --> 00:08:35,890 And we didn't know the direction 205 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:37,091 the character was gonna take. 206 00:08:37,158 --> 00:08:39,927 This was a Vince McMahon idea. 207 00:08:39,995 --> 00:08:42,163 And whenever Vince McMahon had an idea, 208 00:08:42,296 --> 00:08:44,398 you knew it was gonna go farther than 209 00:08:44,499 --> 00:08:46,167 almost anything else. 210 00:08:46,299 --> 00:08:50,004 An illegal war is being waged on an innocent people. 211 00:08:50,138 --> 00:08:53,006 At one point, it was, you know, very stereotypical, like, 212 00:08:53,140 --> 00:08:54,674 we're gonna raise the price of oil. 213 00:08:54,774 --> 00:08:57,078 We were going out there just trying different things to 214 00:08:57,178 --> 00:08:59,113 see how much heat we could generate from the crowd. 215 00:08:59,212 --> 00:09:02,451 You are a traitor to my country! 216 00:09:02,517 --> 00:09:04,751 I grew up in the era with the Hulk Hogan 217 00:09:04,852 --> 00:09:07,321 and Ricky Steamboat and Randy Savage. 218 00:09:07,421 --> 00:09:09,825 It was these larger than life characters. 219 00:09:09,923 --> 00:09:12,125 Wrestling has always skimmed the surface of 220 00:09:12,192 --> 00:09:14,162 political events in the modern world. 221 00:09:14,263 --> 00:09:16,864 USA! Ha! [spitting] Pft! 222 00:09:16,964 --> 00:09:19,500 Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff were cartoony, 223 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,538 with the accents, and I don't think Muhammad Hassan 224 00:09:22,638 --> 00:09:24,605 was any different when we started. 225 00:09:24,706 --> 00:09:27,674 It wasn't until we started filming the vignettes, 226 00:09:27,774 --> 00:09:30,443 and that's when the character took shape. 227 00:09:30,544 --> 00:09:33,447 WWE decides to introduce the character through 228 00:09:33,547 --> 00:09:37,051 pre-recorded segments that will air in anticipation of 229 00:09:37,184 --> 00:09:38,720 his in-ring debut. 230 00:09:38,818 --> 00:09:40,988 My name Is Muhammad Hassan. 231 00:09:41,056 --> 00:09:43,792 Vignettes were a critical part of 232 00:09:43,892 --> 00:09:46,561 storytelling for WWE. 233 00:09:46,662 --> 00:09:48,062 My name is Michael Leonardi. 234 00:09:48,163 --> 00:09:51,231 I am a former writer and producer for 235 00:09:51,365 --> 00:09:53,067 World Wrestling Entertainment. 236 00:09:53,201 --> 00:09:56,705 It was our opportunity to present to the world 237 00:09:56,804 --> 00:09:59,875 this new character, and it played a huge role because 238 00:09:59,975 --> 00:10:02,710 it would really help them get off to a great start. 239 00:10:02,811 --> 00:10:05,846 Don't confuse me with acts of terrorism... 240 00:10:05,947 --> 00:10:07,682 here in America. 241 00:10:07,783 --> 00:10:10,585 That's when it clicked for both Shawn and I 242 00:10:10,717 --> 00:10:12,687 that this wasn't a foreign character. 243 00:10:12,753 --> 00:10:14,722 This was a American character 244 00:10:14,822 --> 00:10:17,258 of Muslim or Arab descent. 245 00:10:17,357 --> 00:10:21,429 9/11 changed everything for me and my people. 246 00:10:21,528 --> 00:10:24,731 Who, rightfully so, is disgruntled. 247 00:10:24,832 --> 00:10:27,735 For Arab Americans, there is no equality. 248 00:10:27,835 --> 00:10:30,272 And discouraged and angry 249 00:10:30,371 --> 00:10:31,772 about what has been going on 250 00:10:31,873 --> 00:10:34,609 with his family and his community since 9/11. 251 00:10:34,743 --> 00:10:36,610 But because we're of Arab descent... 252 00:10:36,745 --> 00:10:38,513 we are singled out. 253 00:10:38,613 --> 00:10:42,750 These were really set up to highlight situations in which 254 00:10:42,883 --> 00:10:46,120 his character would experience 255 00:10:46,253 --> 00:10:48,389 biases or prejudice. 256 00:10:48,489 --> 00:10:50,958 Muhammad Hassan is presented in the light 257 00:10:51,058 --> 00:10:53,126 that just because of my nationality, 258 00:10:53,259 --> 00:10:55,796 does not make me a terrorist. 259 00:10:55,897 --> 00:11:00,534 He was the antithesis of all of the stereotypes. 260 00:11:00,634 --> 00:11:03,270 But the day before Hassan's first appearance, 261 00:11:03,403 --> 00:11:05,773 controversy is stoked. 262 00:11:05,874 --> 00:11:07,708 On an episode of Sunday Night Heat, 263 00:11:07,808 --> 00:11:10,277 you had your broadcasters, Todd Grisham and Ivory, 264 00:11:10,378 --> 00:11:12,413 teeing up Muhammad Hassan's debut. 265 00:11:24,658 --> 00:11:26,561 And right there, the fact that we're gonna make 266 00:11:26,662 --> 00:11:29,931 a flight joke, I think it kind of sets the tone for 267 00:11:29,998 --> 00:11:32,500 what the audience can expect. 268 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,001 With expectations riding high, 269 00:11:35,102 --> 00:11:37,404 Marc Copani prepares to make his entrance 270 00:11:37,504 --> 00:11:38,839 as Muhammad Hassan. 271 00:11:38,974 --> 00:11:41,442 I finally debuted in Huntsville, Alabama 272 00:11:41,542 --> 00:11:43,009 with Mick Foley. 273 00:11:43,144 --> 00:11:44,145 [cheering] 274 00:11:44,245 --> 00:11:45,480 I was nervous. 275 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:47,081 I felt like I was gonna throw up. 276 00:11:47,182 --> 00:11:49,482 I remember we were really not 100% sure 277 00:11:49,583 --> 00:11:50,750 how they're gonna take this character. 278 00:11:50,851 --> 00:11:52,753 It was very different. 279 00:11:52,854 --> 00:11:56,323 Mick Foley is out there just giving a riveting promo about 280 00:11:56,423 --> 00:11:58,859 the war in Afghanistan and supporting our troops. 281 00:11:58,994 --> 00:12:00,693 Supporting the troops goes way beyond 282 00:12:00,794 --> 00:12:02,962 any kind of political affiliation. 283 00:12:03,063 --> 00:12:04,798 Now I come out. 284 00:12:04,865 --> 00:12:06,868 [indistinct speaking] 285 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,272 ♪ [Arabic music] ♪ 286 00:12:10,371 --> 00:12:11,605 ♪ 287 00:12:11,706 --> 00:12:13,375 And as soon as that music hits, 288 00:12:13,475 --> 00:12:14,975 and as soon as you step through that curtain, 289 00:12:15,042 --> 00:12:17,445 it's just, it's go time and it's business. 290 00:12:17,544 --> 00:12:20,114 ♪ 291 00:12:20,214 --> 00:12:22,116 What the hell is this? 292 00:12:22,216 --> 00:12:24,384 And I interrupt Mick Foley, and I am contradicting 293 00:12:24,485 --> 00:12:26,620 everything he says ‘cause this is my truth. 294 00:12:26,721 --> 00:12:28,123 It's people like us... 295 00:12:28,222 --> 00:12:31,058 that are the real victims of this war! 296 00:12:31,192 --> 00:12:34,562 None of you people are real patriots. 297 00:12:34,663 --> 00:12:36,464 And instantly you are telling the audience, 298 00:12:36,563 --> 00:12:40,567 if there was any confusion from these vignettes, 299 00:12:40,668 --> 00:12:43,205 you are instructed to hate Muhammad Hassan. 300 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:46,408 I am sick of hearing you express your admiration for 301 00:12:46,541 --> 00:12:49,910 these troops, these gutless cowards. 302 00:12:50,009 --> 00:12:52,046 Now you're pissing me off! 303 00:12:52,147 --> 00:12:55,350 Here was somebody very clearly being presented 304 00:12:55,417 --> 00:12:59,586 as a villain because he was attacking Americans. 305 00:12:59,687 --> 00:13:00,889 I don't think Vince McMahon 306 00:13:00,988 --> 00:13:03,090 was trying to tell a complex story. 307 00:13:03,225 --> 00:13:05,426 Arab-American, disgruntled, 308 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,096 anti-American, "boo," heel. 309 00:13:08,195 --> 00:13:10,164 He may even be justified in what he is saying, 310 00:13:10,264 --> 00:13:12,066 but he is anti-American. 311 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,769 And I feel... 312 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:16,437 your "patriotism"... 313 00:13:16,538 --> 00:13:20,708 at every airport, and especially right now! 314 00:13:20,808 --> 00:13:24,110 It worked with the fans because they really did not 315 00:13:24,245 --> 00:13:26,413 like somebody coming out and telling them 316 00:13:26,514 --> 00:13:29,683 that America didn't have all the answers. 317 00:13:29,783 --> 00:13:31,352 When I came back for the curtain, 318 00:13:31,452 --> 00:13:33,086 I think a lot of people were very impressed... 319 00:13:33,221 --> 00:13:35,188 and I think a lot of people were very excited about 320 00:13:35,289 --> 00:13:37,458 the potential of this character. 321 00:13:37,591 --> 00:13:39,860 I knew right away they were gonna push him for the moon. 322 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,695 He's got the look, he's got the skill. 323 00:13:41,796 --> 00:13:42,998 He's got the knowledge. 324 00:13:43,097 --> 00:13:45,100 Hi, this is Gene Snitsky, 325 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,801 and I used to work with Muhammad Hassan. 326 00:13:47,902 --> 00:13:50,403 I can't remember anybody getting that much heat 327 00:13:50,471 --> 00:13:52,039 since the Iron Sheik. 328 00:13:52,139 --> 00:13:54,475 The animosity of people. 329 00:13:54,576 --> 00:13:56,745 Like, they literally wanted to grab him and beat him. 330 00:13:56,845 --> 00:13:59,712 It's crazy. Over a wrestling character. 331 00:13:59,813 --> 00:14:01,950 He just had that aura about him 332 00:14:02,048 --> 00:14:03,984 to where people just didn't only hate him, 333 00:14:04,119 --> 00:14:05,886 they wanted to kill. 334 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,061 To all the men and women of the United States 335 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,330 Armed Forces now in the Middle East... 336 00:14:15,429 --> 00:14:17,432 the peace of a troubled world 337 00:14:17,530 --> 00:14:19,167 and the hopes of an oppressed people... 338 00:14:19,267 --> 00:14:21,269 now depend on you. 339 00:14:21,369 --> 00:14:25,004 In 2004, our nation was engulfed in a war 340 00:14:25,139 --> 00:14:26,307 in the Middle East. 341 00:14:26,408 --> 00:14:29,109 We're putting shows on in Iraq. 342 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:32,846 The WWE has returned to Iraq to celebrate 343 00:14:32,947 --> 00:14:35,850 the holidays with each and every one of you. 344 00:14:35,982 --> 00:14:37,083 [cheering] 345 00:14:37,184 --> 00:14:40,355 Patriotism is huge in every aspect of our lives. 346 00:14:40,486 --> 00:14:44,158 Add wrestling to it, it just amps up the volume tenfold. 347 00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:48,128 WWE has the balls to come to Brassfield-Mora! 348 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:49,629 Woo! 349 00:14:49,730 --> 00:14:53,100 So then when they heard this guy who might look like 350 00:14:53,201 --> 00:14:56,705 one of the terrorists going out, basically saying, 351 00:14:56,804 --> 00:14:59,307 "I had nothing to do with 9/11"... 352 00:14:59,374 --> 00:15:01,774 I'm portrayed as the bad guy! 353 00:15:01,875 --> 00:15:03,509 I don't deserve this. 354 00:15:03,610 --> 00:15:05,647 You don't really care what he's gonna say. 355 00:15:05,712 --> 00:15:08,481 You people have no idea 356 00:15:08,548 --> 00:15:10,551 what it's like to be me. 357 00:15:10,684 --> 00:15:12,953 They booed because it was showing a mirror to 358 00:15:13,053 --> 00:15:14,556 the face of the American public, 359 00:15:14,687 --> 00:15:16,791 and the hypocrisy and the prejudice. 360 00:15:16,890 --> 00:15:20,193 America has literally ganged up on me! 361 00:15:20,293 --> 00:15:23,129 And our Arab American brothers! 362 00:15:23,230 --> 00:15:25,933 That had really been pushed forward against the 363 00:15:26,033 --> 00:15:27,735 Muslim people in this country at the time, 364 00:15:27,869 --> 00:15:31,238 and people don't like to be shown their own flaws. 365 00:15:31,373 --> 00:15:33,307 Deep down inside your hearts, 366 00:15:33,408 --> 00:15:36,677 every single one of you 367 00:15:36,777 --> 00:15:39,147 is prejudiced. 368 00:15:39,246 --> 00:15:42,417 Growing up, I was always raised to not judge people 369 00:15:42,517 --> 00:15:44,384 by the color of their skin. 370 00:15:44,485 --> 00:15:46,153 My father told me about some of 371 00:15:46,253 --> 00:15:47,921 the struggles that my grandfather had. 372 00:15:48,022 --> 00:15:51,191 Being an Italian American, it made me more aware 373 00:15:51,258 --> 00:15:53,394 and sympathetic to what Arab Americans 374 00:15:53,495 --> 00:15:54,360 were feeling at the time. 375 00:15:54,428 --> 00:15:55,764 These were people who had lived here, 376 00:15:55,897 --> 00:15:57,063 who had assimilated to this country. 377 00:15:57,164 --> 00:15:58,700 The same thing you see with the Japanese in 378 00:15:58,798 --> 00:16:01,602 World War Two, it was completely unfair. 379 00:16:01,735 --> 00:16:04,571 It's disgraceful, and so, when 9/11 happened, 380 00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:06,908 my concern was what's gonna happen next, 381 00:16:07,006 --> 00:16:09,610 and that kind of became my catchphrase, "Since 9/11." 382 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:11,378 Since 9/11. Since 9/11. 383 00:16:11,479 --> 00:16:14,081 Since... 9/11. 384 00:16:14,182 --> 00:16:15,716 I was the good guy in my own story. 385 00:16:15,816 --> 00:16:16,917 I was the hero. 386 00:16:17,051 --> 00:16:19,753 I was the one fighting for the injustice of my people. 387 00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:22,890 But the irony of that is we were still a heel team. 388 00:16:22,990 --> 00:16:24,458 You know, Shawn would distract the ref. 389 00:16:24,591 --> 00:16:26,025 Shawn would slip a bell in. 390 00:16:26,125 --> 00:16:27,628 Right behind the referee's back. 391 00:16:27,729 --> 00:16:29,397 I know the business side of things. 392 00:16:29,462 --> 00:16:30,597 I knew if I wanted to be there, 393 00:16:30,698 --> 00:16:33,067 That's the card I had to play, and it ----ing worked. 394 00:16:33,167 --> 00:16:35,302 [speaking Farsi] 395 00:16:35,402 --> 00:16:38,438 Though he reflects the politics of the early 2000s, 396 00:16:38,539 --> 00:16:41,442 the concept behind the character goes back to the 397 00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:43,443 earliest days of pro wrestling. 398 00:16:43,543 --> 00:16:46,647 There's such a history of the foreign heel, 399 00:16:46,748 --> 00:16:49,482 that you can go back to Jack Adkisson 400 00:16:49,616 --> 00:16:51,652 as Fritz Von Erich, 401 00:16:51,751 --> 00:16:53,086 evil German heel. 402 00:16:53,153 --> 00:16:54,254 Boy, a blitzer. 403 00:16:54,355 --> 00:16:57,792 Karl von Hess, who served in the US Navy, 404 00:16:57,892 --> 00:16:59,759 that's suddenly portraying a Nazi. 405 00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:01,128 Von Hess wearing a snarl. 406 00:17:01,229 --> 00:17:02,962 One thing that was easy to do is 407 00:17:03,062 --> 00:17:06,334 tap into our tribalism as humans. 408 00:17:06,467 --> 00:17:07,602 Yeah! [cheering] 409 00:17:07,701 --> 00:17:11,306 It was a very easy, very kind of low hanging fruit way to 410 00:17:11,404 --> 00:17:14,775 create a character that Americans could boo. 411 00:17:14,875 --> 00:17:17,144 But the company is playing with fire, 412 00:17:17,244 --> 00:17:20,146 and as history shows, not every attempt to bring 413 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:23,117 politics into wrestling is enjoyed by the audience. 414 00:17:23,217 --> 00:17:25,184 The last time that Vince had tried to do something 415 00:17:25,286 --> 00:17:28,255 like this, it backfired spectacularly. 416 00:17:28,355 --> 00:17:31,592 In 1991, the idea for WrestleMania was 417 00:17:31,692 --> 00:17:34,028 gonna be Hulk Hogan, the American hero, 418 00:17:34,127 --> 00:17:36,963 defending the WWF and its championship from 419 00:17:37,065 --> 00:17:39,967 Sergeant Slaughter, the former G.I. Joe, 420 00:17:40,034 --> 00:17:42,202 the former American hero 421 00:17:42,336 --> 00:17:45,707 that had become an Iraqi sympathizer. 422 00:17:45,807 --> 00:17:49,309 Soon, Hulk Hogan, it's gonna be your burial! 423 00:17:49,376 --> 00:17:51,346 Vince McMahon believed 424 00:17:51,444 --> 00:17:53,515 they would sell out 100,000 seats, 425 00:17:53,614 --> 00:17:55,214 but a few weeks before the event, 426 00:17:55,315 --> 00:17:57,384 they had barely sold 10,000 tickets. 427 00:17:57,519 --> 00:17:58,720 It bombed. 428 00:17:58,818 --> 00:18:00,221 [thunderous boom] 429 00:18:00,355 --> 00:18:03,791 The problem was the Gulf War was ongoing right 430 00:18:03,892 --> 00:18:08,229 at that time, and the fans didn't want to see it. 431 00:18:08,362 --> 00:18:11,865 But in 2005, Copani and WWE are committed to 432 00:18:11,964 --> 00:18:15,169 making sure that this time the storyline does work, 433 00:18:15,269 --> 00:18:17,704 with the company insisting he stay in character 434 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:20,240 at all times, even in public. 435 00:18:20,375 --> 00:18:23,044 We always had to maintain, not only the look of 436 00:18:23,144 --> 00:18:25,246 the character, but really the personalities 437 00:18:25,346 --> 00:18:26,480 of the character. 438 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:28,916 It got a little shady sometimes. 439 00:18:29,017 --> 00:18:31,652 He got to really experience 440 00:18:31,751 --> 00:18:33,319 what it was like being 441 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:35,756 Arab-American in the United States of America 442 00:18:35,855 --> 00:18:38,525 in 2004 and 2005. 443 00:18:38,592 --> 00:18:41,996 We experienced what a lot of people were experiencing 444 00:18:42,096 --> 00:18:43,597 in America at the time. 445 00:18:43,696 --> 00:18:46,500 When we would travel, Shawn always got stopped 446 00:18:46,601 --> 00:18:47,935 because his last name's Daivari, 447 00:18:48,036 --> 00:18:49,736 which is a Persian name. 448 00:18:49,836 --> 00:18:52,005 Copani never got stopped. 449 00:18:52,105 --> 00:18:53,740 We were on an airplane, 450 00:18:53,875 --> 00:18:57,443 and the look on people's faces, the fear... 451 00:18:57,578 --> 00:19:00,248 people in the back of the plane that were calling their 452 00:19:00,347 --> 00:19:02,916 families to tell them that they love them 453 00:19:03,017 --> 00:19:04,786 in case anything happens. 454 00:19:04,884 --> 00:19:06,586 One time, we were in San Francisco 455 00:19:06,688 --> 00:19:09,723 when a young mother with her child takes her 456 00:19:09,824 --> 00:19:13,527 completely off the path that had plenty of space... 457 00:19:13,626 --> 00:19:15,796 to walk clear around us. 458 00:19:15,896 --> 00:19:17,598 The way that people looked at us, 459 00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:20,602 you just always had this uneasy feeling that there's 460 00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:23,569 potential for something dangerous to happen. 461 00:19:23,637 --> 00:19:25,772 Once he saw what Daivari went through, 462 00:19:25,874 --> 00:19:30,210 once he saw just how people were going to see him... 463 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:32,145 I think it changed him. 464 00:19:32,247 --> 00:19:34,749 He was speaking from the heart from those promos. 465 00:19:34,815 --> 00:19:36,549 I'm just like each.... 466 00:19:36,650 --> 00:19:38,551 and every one of you. 467 00:19:38,652 --> 00:19:41,055 I was born right here in this country. 468 00:19:41,153 --> 00:19:42,056 [booing] 469 00:19:42,123 --> 00:19:45,592 It really made it easy to feel the injustice, 470 00:19:45,660 --> 00:19:47,494 because these people didn't even know us, 471 00:19:47,595 --> 00:19:49,998 and the way that they looked at us and they judged us, 472 00:19:50,130 --> 00:19:52,000 well, when we got out into the ring, 473 00:19:52,099 --> 00:19:54,102 that was how everyone in America looked at us. 474 00:19:54,201 --> 00:19:57,003 [chanting] USA! USA! 475 00:19:57,105 --> 00:19:59,105 There were a few times where 476 00:19:59,207 --> 00:20:01,008 things could have gotten real. 477 00:20:01,142 --> 00:20:04,244 We were in Australia with a bunch of the guys. 478 00:20:04,345 --> 00:20:07,015 Gene Snitsky, Chris Masters... 479 00:20:07,147 --> 00:20:09,650 and a group of young men, who were Arab 480 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:12,119 or Middle Eastern, approached us. 481 00:20:12,185 --> 00:20:14,689 They knew who we were, and they knew the characters 482 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:17,590 we were portraying, and they were very angry. 483 00:20:17,691 --> 00:20:19,326 They were saying to us, "You're not really Muslim, 484 00:20:19,425 --> 00:20:21,261 are you?" Like, they were ripping into us, 485 00:20:21,361 --> 00:20:23,664 and it became a heated exchange. 486 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:26,034 Made me realize that there could be people that took 487 00:20:26,133 --> 00:20:29,871 offense to these characters, the fact that a non-Muslim 488 00:20:30,002 --> 00:20:31,972 was portraying that character. 489 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:33,875 I remember really thinking to myself, 490 00:20:33,974 --> 00:20:37,044 if something happens, we are so outnumbered 491 00:20:37,144 --> 00:20:40,212 here that it's either gonna take like hitting somebody 492 00:20:40,315 --> 00:20:43,482 with a chair for real or like smashing a glass 493 00:20:43,585 --> 00:20:44,852 over somebody- like I'm thinking 494 00:20:44,952 --> 00:20:46,788 it's gonna get like rough. 495 00:20:46,887 --> 00:20:48,221 It de-escalated quickly 496 00:20:48,355 --> 00:20:52,993 because I'm surrounded by 6'10" giants. 497 00:20:53,093 --> 00:20:54,729 The irony is that those guys were right. 498 00:20:54,861 --> 00:20:56,564 In our minds, we're playing these characters, 499 00:20:56,663 --> 00:20:59,666 we're generating heat, we're finding success. 500 00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:01,902 But it was one of the first times I had 501 00:21:02,036 --> 00:21:05,205 second thoughts about, is this just a character? 502 00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:07,642 And that's when it became too real, 503 00:21:07,741 --> 00:21:10,345 and that's when the lines between wrestling and 504 00:21:10,443 --> 00:21:13,013 reality, ah, no longer existed. 505 00:21:13,113 --> 00:21:15,882 [chanting continues] You suck! You suck! 506 00:21:21,221 --> 00:21:25,893 Tonight I will have the satisfaction 507 00:21:25,993 --> 00:21:28,528 of beating Shawn Michaels! 508 00:21:28,596 --> 00:21:31,731 As Muhammad Hassan rises to the top of the card, 509 00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:34,434 Mark's sudden success doesn't sit well with the 510 00:21:34,567 --> 00:21:36,604 other wrestlers in the locker room. 511 00:21:36,737 --> 00:21:38,238 That era of wrestling was definitely a tough era 512 00:21:38,337 --> 00:21:39,772 to be a new guy. There was a close, 513 00:21:39,905 --> 00:21:41,842 tight knit group of veterans, and... 514 00:21:41,942 --> 00:21:42,743 I remember walking in 515 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,278 and there's just locker room etiquette. 516 00:21:44,412 --> 00:21:45,545 You have to shake everybody's hand. 517 00:21:45,646 --> 00:21:50,284 And, I was 24 years old, very green, and... 518 00:21:50,384 --> 00:21:52,051 I really didn't know how to behave. 519 00:21:52,152 --> 00:21:53,420 Getting that push to the moon, 520 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,921 it was always a bunch of the guys 521 00:21:55,022 --> 00:21:57,089 that felt like you were stealing their spot. 522 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:58,858 You've had guys who have been on the roster, 523 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,361 who have been working their tails off for years, 524 00:22:01,461 --> 00:22:02,962 and they're not getting pushed. 525 00:22:03,096 --> 00:22:05,298 There was a lot of jealousy and resentment. 526 00:22:05,432 --> 00:22:06,534 Backslide! 527 00:22:06,633 --> 00:22:08,036 They would weed out guys, like, 528 00:22:08,134 --> 00:22:09,936 if they found a weakness in you, 529 00:22:10,069 --> 00:22:11,638 they'd poke at it and poke at it 530 00:22:11,738 --> 00:22:14,709 until you either quit or broke down. 531 00:22:14,808 --> 00:22:15,942 They wanted to test you. 532 00:22:16,044 --> 00:22:19,913 Unless you've paid your dues, you're going to have heat. 533 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:21,882 You do not want heat. 534 00:22:21,981 --> 00:22:24,151 Muhammed Hassan found this out. 535 00:22:24,285 --> 00:22:27,555 Ooh! [laughing] [indistinct commentary] 536 00:22:27,653 --> 00:22:30,290 Marc's finishing maneuver was a move called the 537 00:22:30,391 --> 00:22:32,727 "Camel Clutch," a move that the Iron Sheik 538 00:22:32,826 --> 00:22:34,996 made famous in the 80s. 539 00:22:35,096 --> 00:22:36,962 I've never seen anyone get out of this hold. 540 00:22:37,065 --> 00:22:39,433 It made sense for Marc to utilize it 20 years later. 541 00:22:39,534 --> 00:22:40,434 Oh! 542 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:42,603 Muhammad Hassan with the Camel Clutch! 543 00:22:42,669 --> 00:22:43,971 I remember, we're in Japan... 544 00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:46,339 It's our final night in Japan! 545 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,309 And, Kurt Angle, who I admired and respected, 546 00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:51,479 made a comment that Eddie Guerrero 547 00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:54,515 is using the Camel Clutch. Well, that's my finisher. 548 00:22:54,614 --> 00:22:56,517 And he was saying, you know, "It's bad for the business 549 00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:58,853 that two guys on the same show are using the same move, 550 00:22:58,984 --> 00:23:00,454 and it's your finisher. It looks weak 551 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,522 when Eddie puts it on and someone gets out of it." 552 00:23:02,655 --> 00:23:04,758 It's like, "You should say something." 553 00:23:04,857 --> 00:23:07,828 If you use a guy's move in wrestling without their 554 00:23:07,929 --> 00:23:11,499 permission, it's worse than if you date their wives. 555 00:23:11,598 --> 00:23:13,166 So of course, this is one of those moments 556 00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:15,202 where I should have kept my mouth shut. 557 00:23:15,301 --> 00:23:17,105 But I went up to Eddie, and I said, 558 00:23:17,204 --> 00:23:19,005 "Should you be using the Camel Clutch? 559 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:21,775 Because I'm using it as a finisher," and he looked 560 00:23:21,875 --> 00:23:23,210 at me and he kind of smiled, he's like, 561 00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:24,711 "I've always used the Camel Clutch." 562 00:23:24,846 --> 00:23:26,480 He's like, "My father invented it." 563 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:29,349 [laughing] I was like, of course he did. 564 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:31,018 So of course the boys get a hold of this, 565 00:23:31,118 --> 00:23:33,221 and it turns into nuclear heat. 566 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:35,522 It's disrespectful, and how dare I? 567 00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:39,192 I mean, I was mortified, and I just really felt like 568 00:23:39,292 --> 00:23:42,128 I made a mistake that I'm not gonna come back from. 569 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:43,230 I remember calling my father, 570 00:23:43,330 --> 00:23:45,665 and I'm just like, I just want to fly home. 571 00:23:45,731 --> 00:23:46,900 He was like, you're gonna go out there 572 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,669 and you're gonna face this. 573 00:23:48,734 --> 00:23:51,372 And so, I had to go to wrestling court. 574 00:23:51,471 --> 00:23:54,241 Wrestler's court is kind of a reason to put somebody 575 00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:57,577 on blast and kind of shame them in front of everybody. 576 00:23:57,676 --> 00:24:00,380 Undertaker's the judge, jury and executioner. 577 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,250 I mean, it sounds like kind of ridiculous, 578 00:24:02,382 --> 00:24:04,751 but you never want your whole roster 579 00:24:04,884 --> 00:24:07,653 kind of coming down on you. 580 00:24:07,753 --> 00:24:10,657 My consequence for that was buying over 581 00:24:10,757 --> 00:24:12,894 $1,000 worth of drinks. 582 00:24:12,993 --> 00:24:15,061 There were certain wrestlers that were pouring the drinks 583 00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:16,695 on the floor after I bought 'em... 584 00:24:16,797 --> 00:24:19,065 pouring high quality alcohol in Japan on the floor 585 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,567 seems pretty stupid, looking back on it now. 586 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:24,439 But after that, Eddie Guerrero came up to me 587 00:24:24,538 --> 00:24:27,007 and very kindly put his hand on my shoulder, and said, 588 00:24:27,106 --> 00:24:28,942 "I know you didn't mean anything by it." 589 00:24:29,042 --> 00:24:32,680 And he gave me a hug and we moved on. 590 00:24:32,778 --> 00:24:35,382 As Muhammad Hassan's notoriety grows, 591 00:24:35,481 --> 00:24:38,618 Copani lands his biggest opportunity yet, 592 00:24:38,751 --> 00:24:41,788 sharing the ring with wrestling's most iconic star. 593 00:24:41,888 --> 00:24:44,191 My character was upset that 594 00:24:44,291 --> 00:24:46,626 he wasn't given a match at WrestleMania. 595 00:24:46,727 --> 00:24:49,628 And still I am excluded 596 00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:52,632 from the biggest show of the year! 597 00:24:52,731 --> 00:24:54,634 And I remembered finding out that we were gonna 598 00:24:54,769 --> 00:24:56,103 do something with Hulk Hogan. 599 00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:57,805 The red, white and blue! 600 00:24:57,939 --> 00:25:00,307 And it was a dream come true moment, 601 00:25:00,407 --> 00:25:02,107 and I probably called everybody I'd ever met 602 00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:03,911 in my entire life to tell them, 603 00:25:03,978 --> 00:25:05,145 "I'm gonna be at WrestleMania 604 00:25:05,278 --> 00:25:07,113 in the ring with Hulk Hogan." 605 00:25:07,213 --> 00:25:10,650 WrestleMania. 606 00:25:10,785 --> 00:25:12,986 That's like playing baseball against Babe Ruth. 607 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,989 Like, who gets to freakin' wrestle Hogan at WrestleMania? 608 00:25:16,123 --> 00:25:18,258 Oh, my god! Ha-ha! 609 00:25:18,357 --> 00:25:19,660 It's Hulk Hogan! 610 00:25:19,794 --> 00:25:20,961 Standing in the center of that ring with Daivari 611 00:25:21,061 --> 00:25:23,897 when his music hit, and just watching him 612 00:25:23,998 --> 00:25:26,465 work his way down towards the ring... 613 00:25:26,566 --> 00:25:29,336 you could just feel the noise from the crowd 614 00:25:29,436 --> 00:25:31,105 of like lifting you off of the mat. 615 00:25:31,204 --> 00:25:33,307 I had never experienced anything like it. 616 00:25:33,405 --> 00:25:35,242 Look at this! And the Hulkster! 617 00:25:35,342 --> 00:25:36,843 [indistinct commentary] 618 00:25:36,978 --> 00:25:41,147 Imagine being a kid who loves wrestling. 619 00:25:41,249 --> 00:25:43,983 Your dream is to become a wrestler. 620 00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:46,019 Yeah! Oh, baby! 621 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,688 And then you find yourself, 622 00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:50,022 not only working with Hulk Hogan... 623 00:25:50,124 --> 00:25:52,960 but working with Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania. 624 00:25:53,026 --> 00:25:54,361 That's a dream. 625 00:25:54,494 --> 00:25:56,363 This crowd is going crazy! 626 00:25:56,497 --> 00:25:59,267 Until it becomes a nightmare. 627 00:25:59,366 --> 00:26:02,036 With Hassan established as a top name, 628 00:26:02,134 --> 00:26:04,372 management decides to take the character 629 00:26:04,503 --> 00:26:06,641 in a shocking new direction. 630 00:26:06,707 --> 00:26:08,041 With every character, 631 00:26:08,173 --> 00:26:09,843 you know there's gonna be evolution. 632 00:26:09,942 --> 00:26:12,012 You don't want your character to be stuck in 633 00:26:12,112 --> 00:26:14,848 the mud because eventually gimmicks run their course. 634 00:26:14,949 --> 00:26:16,517 You got that stupid towel. 635 00:26:16,616 --> 00:26:18,050 Your stupid gimmick beard. 636 00:26:18,151 --> 00:26:20,288 I think you're a piece of garbage. 637 00:26:20,387 --> 00:26:22,522 Vince and the team decided to 638 00:26:22,623 --> 00:26:25,058 lean towards more of this 639 00:26:25,159 --> 00:26:28,328 stereotypical way and become more radicalized. 640 00:26:28,395 --> 00:26:30,565 Let's take this a step further. 641 00:26:30,696 --> 00:26:32,731 These people think he's a terrorist. 642 00:26:32,866 --> 00:26:34,300 Let's make him that. 643 00:26:34,401 --> 00:26:36,736 You're looking at the new icon, 644 00:26:36,836 --> 00:26:41,041 the great Muhammad Hassan! 645 00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:45,145 As the months wore on, we started doing things 646 00:26:45,246 --> 00:26:47,682 that were much more focused on Islam, 647 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:49,849 as opposed to Middle Eastern heritage. 648 00:26:49,916 --> 00:26:52,085 You will be a sacrifice. 649 00:26:52,218 --> 00:26:55,422 And then I feel like that character became insensitive, 650 00:26:55,522 --> 00:26:57,590 and it was a complete departure from 651 00:26:57,724 --> 00:26:59,059 what we had originally set out to do. 652 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,259 Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute, look at this. 653 00:27:00,394 --> 00:27:01,996 Wow, what the hell? 654 00:27:02,096 --> 00:27:05,432 Now I have a bunch of men who are carrying out my bidding. 655 00:27:05,532 --> 00:27:07,768 I really pushed back, and I did take that to 656 00:27:07,867 --> 00:27:09,537 Stephanie McMahon, who was really the writer 657 00:27:09,636 --> 00:27:11,605 that I was working with most on SmackDown, 658 00:27:11,705 --> 00:27:13,940 and she kind of put me in my place. 659 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,608 It was, "This is a huge opportunity for you." 660 00:27:16,743 --> 00:27:19,945 Basically, "Shut up. We know what we're doing." 661 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,047 Choke him. 662 00:27:21,147 --> 00:27:23,351 What is that? Oh, no. 663 00:27:27,788 --> 00:27:31,625 [chanting] USA! USA! 664 00:27:31,726 --> 00:27:34,794 Looking back, can I see that it was insensitive? 665 00:27:34,894 --> 00:27:36,796 It definitely became insensitive. 666 00:27:36,896 --> 00:27:39,933 The character changed over the course of a few months, 667 00:27:40,034 --> 00:27:42,801 but I don't ever feel like what we did was 668 00:27:42,902 --> 00:27:46,473 intentionally distasteful, up until the end. 669 00:27:46,574 --> 00:27:49,076 Where things started to go wrong was, 670 00:27:49,174 --> 00:27:52,645 as he started to gain momentum and this character 671 00:27:52,747 --> 00:27:55,280 started becoming part of the main event scene, 672 00:27:55,382 --> 00:27:58,118 they wanted to try and generate more heat. 673 00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:02,489 Despite Marc's objections to the changes to his character, 674 00:28:02,588 --> 00:28:05,291 he knows he has little power to fight it. 675 00:28:05,393 --> 00:28:07,794 I don't know of anybody that's ever said no to 676 00:28:07,894 --> 00:28:10,330 a storyline, of any kind, ‘cause like, 677 00:28:10,462 --> 00:28:11,664 when you get the opportunity, 678 00:28:11,798 --> 00:28:13,298 you're not gonna pass it up. 679 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,269 And that very much was the culture, 680 00:28:15,368 --> 00:28:18,404 and everybody there was like, "Who is this guy to 681 00:28:18,505 --> 00:28:20,339 refuse any of the storyline?" 682 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,476 The change in the character 683 00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:24,676 really took a toll on me. 684 00:28:24,811 --> 00:28:26,747 And I didn't agree with it, and I think I was 685 00:28:26,846 --> 00:28:28,516 pretty vocal about, I didn't like the 686 00:28:28,647 --> 00:28:30,351 direction of the character. 687 00:28:30,451 --> 00:28:32,317 There came to a point with Shawn Michaels... 688 00:28:32,419 --> 00:28:34,689 before I put him in the camel clutch... 689 00:28:34,788 --> 00:28:36,990 I took my thumb... 690 00:28:37,089 --> 00:28:38,758 And... 691 00:28:38,857 --> 00:28:40,593 ♪ 692 00:28:40,693 --> 00:28:41,895 Undertaker does the same thing, 693 00:28:41,996 --> 00:28:43,931 but the context in which I did it, 694 00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:47,334 it symbolized a beheading, which was a horrific and 695 00:28:47,434 --> 00:28:48,835 tragic thing that was happening in the 696 00:28:48,935 --> 00:28:50,836 Middle East with American citizens. 697 00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:52,539 [booing] 698 00:28:52,672 --> 00:28:55,607 To be honest with you, at the time... 699 00:28:55,709 --> 00:28:58,144 it seemed only natural. 700 00:28:58,211 --> 00:29:00,980 I never saw how his character developed, 701 00:29:01,082 --> 00:29:03,048 and thought, wow, they should not go here, 702 00:29:03,148 --> 00:29:05,218 at the time. Never once. 703 00:29:05,352 --> 00:29:07,820 To me, it was like, oh yeah, that makes sense. 704 00:29:07,887 --> 00:29:10,724 He's gonna get so much heat for this. 705 00:29:10,825 --> 00:29:12,192 I don't really know exactly 706 00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:13,626 whose decision it was to do that. 707 00:29:13,727 --> 00:29:15,229 I know it wasn't mine. 708 00:29:15,328 --> 00:29:17,029 I think one of the reasons why the character started to 709 00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:19,834 change is because they were working up to a program 710 00:29:19,898 --> 00:29:21,800 with Batista and The Undertaker, 711 00:29:21,901 --> 00:29:24,403 who are not only two giant men, 712 00:29:24,503 --> 00:29:26,574 but they're also two giant personas 713 00:29:26,707 --> 00:29:28,709 and characters in the WWE. 714 00:29:28,808 --> 00:29:31,644 At some point, they were planning on putting 715 00:29:31,744 --> 00:29:34,080 one of the World Championships on him. 716 00:29:34,213 --> 00:29:35,815 Vince was gonna push him to the moon. 717 00:29:35,915 --> 00:29:38,419 The day of the dead man 718 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:39,586 has come and gone- 719 00:29:39,686 --> 00:29:41,253 -[bell chiming] -Oh, look. 720 00:29:41,355 --> 00:29:44,657 -[cheering] -Oh, my, oh! 721 00:29:44,757 --> 00:29:47,494 The angle that we were working with The Undertaker 722 00:29:47,595 --> 00:29:50,765 was gonna build to a number one contender's match. 723 00:29:50,897 --> 00:29:53,732 And so, I was told that the idea was 724 00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:55,769 that I would beat The Undertaker. 725 00:29:55,869 --> 00:29:59,506 I would be the number one contender to face Batista... 726 00:29:59,605 --> 00:30:02,942 and it would be the Arab defeating the 727 00:30:03,076 --> 00:30:06,445 reigning champion, Batista, in Washington, DC. 728 00:30:06,546 --> 00:30:08,848 Kind of like the big "FU" to America. 729 00:30:08,949 --> 00:30:11,184 That was the plan that was ran by me. 730 00:30:11,285 --> 00:30:13,086 Obviously, it didn't turn out that way. 731 00:30:13,186 --> 00:30:15,122 It was Daivari versus The Undertaker. 732 00:30:15,255 --> 00:30:17,190 Shawn got the crap kicked out of him. 733 00:30:17,290 --> 00:30:19,960 Tombstone pile driver! 734 00:30:20,059 --> 00:30:21,961 Talk about a sacrifice. 735 00:30:22,096 --> 00:30:25,065 On the day the episode is set to broadcast, 736 00:30:25,131 --> 00:30:27,967 real world tragedy strikes. 737 00:30:28,067 --> 00:30:30,068 People streaming out of the station covered in blood. 738 00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:32,439 This was a highly sophisticated, 739 00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:34,974 coordinated terrorist attack. 740 00:30:35,075 --> 00:30:38,443 The London terrorist bombing that occurred on July 7th 741 00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:41,315 that led to many, many casualties 742 00:30:41,414 --> 00:30:43,817 broke on a Thursday morning. 743 00:30:43,951 --> 00:30:48,153 So you have a worldwide focus on this terrorist attack. 744 00:30:48,253 --> 00:30:51,157 And SmackDown was set to air later that night 745 00:30:51,257 --> 00:30:53,960 with this very controversial angle. 746 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:55,663 So, in the immediate aftermath, 747 00:30:55,795 --> 00:30:59,132 WWE decides it's going to run as is, 748 00:30:59,231 --> 00:31:01,634 and they were gonna add a crawl throughout the show, 749 00:31:01,733 --> 00:31:04,104 essentially giving a warning to the audience. 750 00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:06,739 I think they underestimated the amount of scrutiny 751 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,174 it was going to receive. 752 00:31:09,309 --> 00:31:13,613 The realism and the imagery all got tied into 753 00:31:13,681 --> 00:31:15,516 what had happened in London. 754 00:31:15,647 --> 00:31:17,482 It was Daivari versus The Undertaker, 755 00:31:17,585 --> 00:31:19,986 and so Shawn sacrificed himself, 756 00:31:20,086 --> 00:31:22,087 and I had just this evil look on my face, 757 00:31:22,189 --> 00:31:24,691 and I dropped to my knees... 758 00:31:24,825 --> 00:31:27,259 and I raise my hands and say, 759 00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:28,862 "Praise Allah," and suddenly, 760 00:31:28,996 --> 00:31:31,463 men come storming out from behind me. 761 00:31:31,565 --> 00:31:34,000 Hit the ring. 762 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:36,971 I do this, the beheading symbol... 763 00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:39,038 Choke him. Choke him! 764 00:31:39,138 --> 00:31:40,874 Oh, my god, is that a steel wire? 765 00:31:40,974 --> 00:31:42,209 I don't know what it is. 766 00:31:42,342 --> 00:31:44,979 And then I come up, I get over The Undertaker... 767 00:31:45,078 --> 00:31:47,347 Praise Allah! 768 00:31:47,446 --> 00:31:48,981 [booing] 769 00:31:49,083 --> 00:31:51,718 And then I choke him out in a Camel Clutch. 770 00:31:51,817 --> 00:31:54,921 His eyes rolled back in the back of his head. 771 00:31:55,355 --> 00:31:58,357 And now you started really walking that line of 772 00:31:58,459 --> 00:32:00,493 just like, is this guy a terrorist, 773 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,861 at the end of the day? 774 00:32:01,961 --> 00:32:04,364 Terrorists behead people! 775 00:32:04,463 --> 00:32:06,965 And they had done it to a journalist, Daniel Pearl, 776 00:32:07,066 --> 00:32:08,835 a couple years earlier. 777 00:32:08,902 --> 00:32:12,806 Also, one year prior, this American, Nick Berg, 778 00:32:12,904 --> 00:32:17,076 had been kidnaped and then was beheaded on camera 779 00:32:17,175 --> 00:32:19,413 by five masked men, the same number 780 00:32:19,545 --> 00:32:22,182 that WWE incorporated for this angle. 781 00:32:22,282 --> 00:32:24,585 The masked men, they were almost like my soldiers, 782 00:32:24,717 --> 00:32:27,554 and I was the leader of this Islamic fundamentalist cult. 783 00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:29,588 And then Shawn ended up becoming our martyr. 784 00:32:29,722 --> 00:32:30,657 Look at this, they're holding him up 785 00:32:30,723 --> 00:32:33,259 for sacrifice like he's a martyr or something. 786 00:32:33,394 --> 00:32:35,261 He's given what had been recognized as a 787 00:32:35,395 --> 00:32:38,265 Islamic martyr's funeral, in a sense that the 788 00:32:38,397 --> 00:32:40,934 men in masks are carrying him overhead, 789 00:32:41,067 --> 00:32:43,436 sacrificing his life for me. 790 00:32:43,568 --> 00:32:47,173 That was really the scene that started that controversy. 791 00:32:47,272 --> 00:32:48,541 It was across the line. 792 00:32:48,642 --> 00:32:51,544 This was really happening at that moment, 793 00:32:51,611 --> 00:32:53,880 to Americans and American allies, 794 00:32:53,946 --> 00:32:56,048 and people didn't want to see that kind of shit 795 00:32:56,148 --> 00:32:57,884 on the wrestling program. 796 00:32:57,951 --> 00:32:59,452 ♪ 797 00:32:59,551 --> 00:33:03,123 And so this set off a firestorm of backlash. 798 00:33:03,222 --> 00:33:05,459 UPN wanted nothing to do with this character, 799 00:33:05,558 --> 00:33:08,126 in light of the controversy. 800 00:33:08,228 --> 00:33:11,964 We had heat with sponsors, with Arab groups. 801 00:33:12,098 --> 00:33:15,300 Everybody just said enough's enough. 802 00:33:15,401 --> 00:33:18,070 And it was framed in how insensitive the WWE is 803 00:33:18,171 --> 00:33:22,775 using real life, tragic situations to sell a story. 804 00:33:22,875 --> 00:33:24,811 I didn't agree with what we were doing at that time. 805 00:33:24,912 --> 00:33:27,212 I felt like we needed to scale back. 806 00:33:27,314 --> 00:33:31,317 In this particular instance, I told my boss that 807 00:33:31,417 --> 00:33:33,220 I think this was the wrong way to go. 808 00:33:33,318 --> 00:33:34,954 and I didn't want to have anything to do with it. 809 00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:37,155 I was demoted, I was stripped of almost 810 00:33:37,256 --> 00:33:40,326 all my responsibilities, all because I spoke up 811 00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:42,829 and said that I think this was wrong. 812 00:33:42,961 --> 00:33:44,498 As an American, I thought it was wrong. 813 00:33:44,597 --> 00:33:47,166 And then, what happened was pressure started to 814 00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:48,968 come down from the network, 815 00:33:49,067 --> 00:33:52,404 and eventually UPN put enough pressure on WWE, 816 00:33:52,505 --> 00:33:53,605 and they realized that they needed to 817 00:33:53,707 --> 00:33:56,174 kill the character altogether. 818 00:33:56,309 --> 00:33:57,442 This could indeed be 819 00:33:57,544 --> 00:34:00,180 Muhammad Hassan's last match. 820 00:34:07,855 --> 00:34:10,356 With the media and fans in an uproar, 821 00:34:10,456 --> 00:34:14,027 Muhammad Hassan draws the wrong kind of attention. 822 00:34:14,161 --> 00:34:16,130 The network was really worried about it and they 823 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:19,297 said ----ing take these characters off of SmackDown. 824 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,367 I think with the sponsors and the threats 825 00:34:21,501 --> 00:34:22,702 that they had made, 826 00:34:22,835 --> 00:34:24,838 it slowly deteriorated into something that I had 827 00:34:24,938 --> 00:34:27,807 realized was probably gonna ed my career. 828 00:34:27,907 --> 00:34:30,009 Chef Boyardee doesn't want to air an ad 829 00:34:30,108 --> 00:34:32,311 right after you martyr a wrestler. 830 00:34:32,378 --> 00:34:33,880 If there was no London bombing, 831 00:34:34,014 --> 00:34:35,181 the direction we were headed, 832 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,882 it would have become tasteless. 833 00:34:36,983 --> 00:34:39,050 Muhammad Hassan went from this real life portrayal of 834 00:34:39,186 --> 00:34:40,652 an upset American... 835 00:34:40,721 --> 00:34:42,389 Judge me for me. 836 00:34:42,523 --> 00:34:45,659 ...to now relying more on his Islamic background 837 00:34:45,726 --> 00:34:46,827 to get heat. 838 00:34:46,893 --> 00:34:50,362 I assure you that that sacrifice will not go without 839 00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:54,333 its reward, but is sacrifice for the greater good. 840 00:34:54,434 --> 00:34:57,538 I thought it was ironic that now we're stereotyping 841 00:34:57,637 --> 00:34:59,739 Middle Easterners, when we started off the character 842 00:34:59,873 --> 00:35:01,375 as being against that stereotype and 843 00:35:01,474 --> 00:35:03,876 trying really hard to make Muhammad Hassan 844 00:35:03,976 --> 00:35:05,344 a real character, someone who was 845 00:35:05,445 --> 00:35:06,746 born here, went to school here, 846 00:35:06,847 --> 00:35:07,981 has a family here. 847 00:35:08,081 --> 00:35:11,083 I, for one, will not embrace... 848 00:35:11,217 --> 00:35:13,920 a racist nation. 849 00:35:14,021 --> 00:35:17,255 Right around that time, I wanted to buy a house. 850 00:35:17,356 --> 00:35:20,025 And so, I walk into a room off of catering, 851 00:35:20,126 --> 00:35:22,228 and it's just me, and there's Johnny Ace, 852 00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:24,898 the head of talent relations at the time. 853 00:35:24,998 --> 00:35:27,434 And I remember going and saying, "Johnny," you know, 854 00:35:27,567 --> 00:35:30,336 "I'm just about to put an offer in on a house back home. 855 00:35:30,436 --> 00:35:32,170 What's gonna happen?" 856 00:35:32,271 --> 00:35:33,773 And he looked me dead in the eye, 857 00:35:33,873 --> 00:35:37,108 and he said, "Don't buy the house." 858 00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:39,746 And, that's when I knew that we're not 859 00:35:39,847 --> 00:35:41,213 gonna be fighting this thing. 860 00:35:41,315 --> 00:35:43,916 We were done. 861 00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:45,717 With sponsors and the network 862 00:35:45,786 --> 00:35:48,288 pressuring the company to drop the character, 863 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:51,423 Muhammad Hassan's fate is sealed. 864 00:35:51,525 --> 00:35:53,626 We weren't allowed to be on TV. 865 00:35:53,726 --> 00:35:56,128 We weren't allowed to be on SmackDown or Raw. 866 00:35:56,262 --> 00:35:57,630 The only thing we were allowed to do 867 00:35:57,764 --> 00:35:59,465 was a Pay Per View. 868 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:00,967 [cheering] 869 00:36:01,101 --> 00:36:02,902 My family was sitting in the front row in 870 00:36:03,003 --> 00:36:04,605 Buffalo, New York, where I went to school, 871 00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:07,306 where I first got the bug to want to be a wrestler. 872 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,876 Everything kind of came full circle. 873 00:36:09,976 --> 00:36:11,644 And that was the last time I was gonna 874 00:36:11,744 --> 00:36:13,380 be in a WWE ring. 875 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,248 ♪ 876 00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:16,782 I mean, if anybody was gonna take me out, 877 00:36:16,882 --> 00:36:19,920 having it be The Undertaker was an honor. 878 00:36:20,019 --> 00:36:21,987 [bell chiming] 879 00:36:22,121 --> 00:36:24,324 [cheering] 880 00:36:24,458 --> 00:36:26,425 My character was... 881 00:36:26,492 --> 00:36:29,730 beat brutally. 882 00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:31,664 And another big boot by the Undertaker! 883 00:36:31,797 --> 00:36:33,934 And then I was power -bombed through the stage. 884 00:36:34,001 --> 00:36:35,400 Walked into the hand of the Undertaker! 885 00:36:35,501 --> 00:36:37,003 This move called The Last Ride, 886 00:36:37,137 --> 00:36:39,338 and he launches me. 887 00:36:39,472 --> 00:36:41,141 And when he drops me, I'm coming down 888 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,476 at a much steeper angle than I anticipated. 889 00:36:43,577 --> 00:36:46,246 Stop this! Oh, no, no, no, no, no! 890 00:36:46,346 --> 00:36:48,681 Hit so hard on that single crash pad on my neck, 891 00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:51,351 that I flipped over and landed clean on my feet, 892 00:36:51,451 --> 00:36:53,686 like an acrobat. So they put me down. 893 00:36:53,818 --> 00:36:56,356 They cover me with cable wires, put blood out. 894 00:36:56,489 --> 00:36:58,025 I don't know how often that's happened 895 00:36:58,157 --> 00:36:59,159 where a character has been murdered 896 00:36:59,257 --> 00:37:01,693 on national television, brutally. 897 00:37:01,827 --> 00:37:03,931 And with that, Muhammad Hassan 898 00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:05,565 was never seen again. 899 00:37:05,666 --> 00:37:07,034 [snaps] 900 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,835 That was it and, you know, 901 00:37:09,936 --> 00:37:11,804 the weird thing about that was... 902 00:37:11,903 --> 00:37:14,208 typically, after a show, you go back to the hotel. 903 00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:16,509 I was in Buffalo, and I was home... 904 00:37:16,608 --> 00:37:18,945 so I got in my car and when the show was over, 905 00:37:19,045 --> 00:37:21,547 I drove home, and it was... 906 00:37:21,648 --> 00:37:24,215 I couldn't even begin to tell you the thoughts 907 00:37:24,351 --> 00:37:26,152 that I was feeling. 908 00:37:26,219 --> 00:37:28,387 I don't know if it was relief... 909 00:37:28,521 --> 00:37:30,690 sadness... 910 00:37:30,791 --> 00:37:32,826 disappointment. 911 00:37:32,893 --> 00:37:35,896 ♪ 912 00:37:36,027 --> 00:37:39,030 I definitely was... 913 00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:41,634 heartbroken by what had happened, 914 00:37:41,733 --> 00:37:44,903 and heartbroken that everything that I had spent 915 00:37:45,005 --> 00:37:49,309 so much time and energy, and, and dreamed, and- 916 00:37:49,409 --> 00:37:53,179 everything that I had worked for was just gone. 917 00:37:53,246 --> 00:37:56,349 It made no sense. He did what he was told 918 00:37:56,416 --> 00:37:58,317 because he was being paid money, 919 00:37:58,418 --> 00:38:00,920 and he had a dream job that he wanted to fulfill. 920 00:38:01,054 --> 00:38:04,090 And what they told him to do backfired. 921 00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:06,525 They threw the baby and the bath water out the window 922 00:38:06,626 --> 00:38:09,496 and continued on, rather than tell Vince McMahon, 923 00:38:09,596 --> 00:38:10,896 "You ----ed this guy up, 924 00:38:10,998 --> 00:38:12,530 you ought to make it up to him." 925 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,233 He did everything he was told. 926 00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:18,105 He was great at his job, and they let him go for it. 927 00:38:18,237 --> 00:38:21,608 The end of my career with the WWE launched me 928 00:38:21,708 --> 00:38:23,943 to a few years of my life where... 929 00:38:24,043 --> 00:38:26,346 I had no direction, and I was lost, 930 00:38:26,445 --> 00:38:27,612 and I didn't know what I was gonna do, 931 00:38:27,713 --> 00:38:30,715 and I knew I would never get back what I had... 932 00:38:30,784 --> 00:38:34,086 and I couldn't, I couldn't rationalize it, 933 00:38:34,186 --> 00:38:36,956 and I couldn't find reason for it. 934 00:38:37,056 --> 00:38:40,626 I do feel like wrestling turned its back on me, 935 00:38:40,726 --> 00:38:42,360 and I definitely turned my back on wrestling, 936 00:38:42,461 --> 00:38:45,965 and I didn't want to look back at all. 937 00:38:46,065 --> 00:38:49,068 I needed to change and I didn't really know how. 938 00:38:57,411 --> 00:39:00,646 Fired from WWE and living in Los Angeles, 939 00:39:00,746 --> 00:39:04,650 Marc Copani steps away from the world of wrestling. 940 00:39:04,751 --> 00:39:06,318 I was pretty secluded in LA. 941 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:09,456 In the moment, it was survival mode. 942 00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,657 It was living day by day. 943 00:39:11,757 --> 00:39:13,159 It was a level of depression 944 00:39:13,259 --> 00:39:14,795 that I didn't recognize at the time. 945 00:39:14,894 --> 00:39:16,762 I don't want to say hopelessness, 946 00:39:16,829 --> 00:39:18,998 but just being lost... 947 00:39:19,099 --> 00:39:22,768 and nothing was really going my way. 948 00:39:22,869 --> 00:39:25,838 Depressed, upset. Frustrated. 949 00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:27,840 You're on top of the world one week. 950 00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:30,509 The next week, you're without a job. 951 00:39:30,608 --> 00:39:34,081 Once that tide of momentum turns against you, 952 00:39:34,181 --> 00:39:37,184 it's kind of hard to get it to swing the other way. 953 00:39:37,317 --> 00:39:40,686 The character came in so hot, and had so much attention 954 00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:42,922 that nobody thought it was gonna be believable 955 00:39:43,023 --> 00:39:45,025 to bring me back as anybody else. 956 00:39:45,125 --> 00:39:46,925 It's always like that one thing that sticks 957 00:39:47,025 --> 00:39:49,096 in people's mind, you know. 958 00:39:49,195 --> 00:39:51,030 "Oh, that's the terrorist guy." 959 00:39:51,164 --> 00:39:53,965 Sadly. Just a waste of a talent, really, 960 00:39:54,067 --> 00:39:55,534 because he had so much potential 961 00:39:55,634 --> 00:39:58,170 to be like that big star. 962 00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:02,675 One of the defining moments for me with that is I... 963 00:40:02,775 --> 00:40:05,311 had come home for the holidays, 964 00:40:05,378 --> 00:40:06,545 just a bit of a wreck. 965 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:08,380 You know, I was running low on money. 966 00:40:08,481 --> 00:40:10,016 I remember being exhausted, 967 00:40:10,117 --> 00:40:13,353 and just saying to myself, like... 968 00:40:13,452 --> 00:40:15,987 you need to get some sleep. And... 969 00:40:16,056 --> 00:40:19,226 and then the thought occurred to me... 970 00:40:19,358 --> 00:40:21,228 What if you don't wake up? 971 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,728 What difference would it make? 972 00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:25,164 Like, what difference do you make? 973 00:40:25,231 --> 00:40:27,900 How many days have you wasted? 974 00:40:29,068 --> 00:40:30,771 How many days have you wasted? 975 00:40:30,871 --> 00:40:33,239 And... 976 00:40:33,373 --> 00:40:36,742 kind of just confronted with the reality of where I was, 977 00:40:36,876 --> 00:40:39,146 not where I wanted to be. 978 00:40:39,246 --> 00:40:41,614 And that was the moment that I decided I needed to 979 00:40:41,713 --> 00:40:43,483 make a radical change in my life. 980 00:40:43,583 --> 00:40:45,751 And it was a few months later that I was going to college, 981 00:40:45,851 --> 00:40:47,387 working nights at UPS. 982 00:40:47,485 --> 00:40:49,088 And it was very humbling. 983 00:40:49,222 --> 00:40:51,657 And I found that fire, that work ethic, 984 00:40:51,757 --> 00:40:54,393 that dedication, that passion. 985 00:40:54,494 --> 00:40:55,860 And I focused it in another direction. 986 00:40:55,961 --> 00:40:57,431 I got my teaching certification, 987 00:40:57,563 --> 00:40:58,530 and I got my master's degree. 988 00:40:58,630 --> 00:41:00,733 I got a job teaching. Then I became a principal. 989 00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:03,836 I didn't stop, and I haven't stopped since. 990 00:41:03,936 --> 00:41:06,005 So I don't waste days anymore. 991 00:41:06,106 --> 00:41:08,407 ♪ 992 00:41:08,541 --> 00:41:10,577 It wasn't until later that I realized I was avoiding 993 00:41:10,675 --> 00:41:13,012 the pain and the heartbreak that I had felt 994 00:41:13,112 --> 00:41:15,780 because of what had happened. 995 00:41:15,916 --> 00:41:17,751 With Muhammad Hassan behind him, 996 00:41:17,851 --> 00:41:21,353 Marc has had years to reflect on the experience of being 997 00:41:21,454 --> 00:41:24,791 one of wrestling's most controversial villains. 998 00:41:24,891 --> 00:41:27,293 It probably wasn't until almost a decade later 999 00:41:27,393 --> 00:41:31,297 that I really started to appreciate the journey 1000 00:41:31,398 --> 00:41:32,898 that I had had and the career that I had had, 1001 00:41:32,998 --> 00:41:35,233 regardless of how it ended, and then at that point, 1002 00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,704 it didn't matter how it ended. 1003 00:41:37,804 --> 00:41:39,405 It's always easy to say, what if? 1004 00:41:39,505 --> 00:41:42,275 I think Muhammad Hassan's outcome was set in stone 1005 00:41:42,375 --> 00:41:44,077 from his very first promo. 1006 00:41:44,143 --> 00:41:46,945 This is no longer the land of the free. 1007 00:41:47,045 --> 00:41:49,315 And it has nothing to do with talent, skill, 1008 00:41:49,449 --> 00:41:51,117 ability, appearance. 1009 00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:54,286 It has to do with the culture we lived in. 1010 00:41:54,387 --> 00:41:57,556 I feel bad for Marc because the man was talented, 1011 00:41:57,655 --> 00:41:59,692 the man was good. The man was gifted. 1012 00:41:59,793 --> 00:42:02,228 I will fulfill my destiny 1013 00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:04,931 as the first Arab American 1014 00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:06,632 to be champion! 1015 00:42:06,733 --> 00:42:08,501 I made the decisions to play that character, 1016 00:42:08,601 --> 00:42:09,835 and I've had to live with it, and so 1017 00:42:09,969 --> 00:42:11,570 I don't have any ill feelings about it. 1018 00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:13,239 I don't hold grudges. 1019 00:42:13,338 --> 00:42:15,074 It's just the fact that I got to experience that, 1020 00:42:15,173 --> 00:42:16,509 and I got to live that. 1021 00:42:16,608 --> 00:42:18,844 And I had dreamed it for so long... 1022 00:42:18,978 --> 00:42:21,146 to make that dream a reality, 1023 00:42:21,248 --> 00:42:23,250 this is something that I am very proud of. 1024 00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:24,851 [match bell] 1025 00:42:24,983 --> 00:42:27,853 Either way, that character was not long for TV. 1026 00:42:27,954 --> 00:42:29,456 The world was changing around us, 1027 00:42:29,521 --> 00:42:32,492 and eventually the world looked like it does today, 1028 00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:34,693 where that type of stereotypical, 1029 00:42:34,827 --> 00:42:37,795 insensitive portrayal of any nationality in this country 1030 00:42:37,862 --> 00:42:39,599 is frowned upon now, and it should be. 1031 00:42:39,699 --> 00:42:41,835 ♪ 1032 00:42:41,934 --> 00:42:45,105 Shawn is an agent in the WWE now. 1033 00:42:45,204 --> 00:42:46,639 Shawn has a great mind for wrestling, 1034 00:42:46,706 --> 00:42:48,507 and he just gets the storytelling aspect 1035 00:42:48,608 --> 00:42:50,543 of wrestling. I talk to Shawn all the time, 1036 00:42:50,643 --> 00:42:52,012 and he's doing very well 1037 00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:53,646 and I couldn't be prouder of him. 1038 00:42:53,713 --> 00:42:56,615 To be honest, it worked out better for Marc because 1039 00:42:56,715 --> 00:42:58,717 in the intervening 20 years, 1040 00:42:58,851 --> 00:43:02,153 he's had a normal job in a normal place. 1041 00:43:02,255 --> 00:43:04,224 He's highly thought of in the community. 1042 00:43:04,356 --> 00:43:06,626 He's probably been better off in the long run 1043 00:43:06,726 --> 00:43:08,795 than all the crazy shit he would have gone through 1044 00:43:08,894 --> 00:43:10,463 in 20 years in the wrestling business. 1045 00:43:10,563 --> 00:43:12,130 So, I'm happy for him. 1046 00:43:12,231 --> 00:43:14,067 If I could go back and do it all again, 1047 00:43:14,166 --> 00:43:15,467 I absolutely would do it. 1048 00:43:15,568 --> 00:43:16,902 I'm the man I am today 1049 00:43:17,036 --> 00:43:18,737 because of those experiences. 1050 00:43:18,871 --> 00:43:21,074 Muhammad Hassan didn't define who I am. 1051 00:43:21,172 --> 00:43:23,842 That character stays in 2004, 2005. 1052 00:43:23,943 --> 00:43:27,579 Everything that's happened since is me. 1053 00:43:27,713 --> 00:43:29,983 Now, I'm the Director of Human Resources 1054 00:43:30,083 --> 00:43:32,085 in a small city school district. 1055 00:43:32,184 --> 00:43:34,820 And, I impact over 3000 kids every day. 1056 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,155 And the only way I had gotten to this point is because of 1057 00:43:37,255 --> 00:43:39,391 the epic failure that I had had, 1058 00:43:39,492 --> 00:43:41,661 and that realization that it doesn't matter 1059 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,228 what your dreams were, 1060 00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:44,664 it doesn't matter how it ended, 1061 00:43:44,764 --> 00:43:46,900 you always have a second chance. 1062 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,101 I don't think my best days are behind me. 1063 00:43:49,202 --> 00:43:51,070 I think that they're in front of me. 1064 00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:53,338 I'm still looking forward to doing some big things. 1065 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,775 ♪ 78297

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