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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,379 --> 00:00:14,347   Weighing in                    at 274 pounds...                 2 00:00:14,381 --> 00:00:16,950   The Sandman!                   3 00:00:16,983 --> 00:00:18,218    [narrator]                      In the 1990s,                  4 00:00:18,284 --> 00:00:20,553   Extreme Championship             Wrestling was meaner,          5 00:00:20,620 --> 00:00:23,523   more aggressive, and            bloodier than anything          6 00:00:23,556 --> 00:00:26,226  audiences                         had seen before,               7 00:00:26,292 --> 00:00:29,195   as the demands of the            company's rabid fanbase led to 8 00:00:29,229 --> 00:00:32,565  a dangerous escalation            of in-ring violence.           9 00:00:32,632 --> 00:00:36,002  What is this?                    These guys are crazy.           10 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:37,003   It felt so personal.           11 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,505   Daddy, you're drunk.           12 00:00:38,538 --> 00:00:40,640    And I think that's why the     fans were so involved with it.  13 00:00:40,673 --> 00:00:43,009  People didn't know if           it was scripted or not.          14 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:44,844   And the more popular it got,   15 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:47,914   the more they had to              top the last show.            16 00:00:47,981 --> 00:00:51,317  An escalation embodied              by The Sandman.              17 00:00:51,351 --> 00:00:52,519   The Sandman!                   18 00:00:52,552 --> 00:00:54,387   You know, got his jeans on,    his t-shirt on,                  19 00:00:54,421 --> 00:00:56,689   his kendo stick, smoking a       cigarette, drinking a beer.    20 00:00:56,723 --> 00:00:58,358   Fan's like, "I could            be this guy."                   21 00:00:58,391 --> 00:01:00,026  You might think it is,           because all you see is          22 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:04,230    a beer drinking, cigarette       smoking, scumbag.             23 00:01:04,264 --> 00:01:07,734    Sandman's character was as    organic as it could get.         24 00:01:07,767 --> 00:01:09,602 God, I love ECW.                 25 00:01:09,669 --> 00:01:11,037    There's not a whole lot of       difference between            26 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,739 James Fullington                 and The Sandman.                 27 00:01:12,772 --> 00:01:15,041   What can I do that              somebody hasn't done?           28 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:18,244 I can make myself bleed            before I get into the ring?    29 00:01:18,278 --> 00:01:19,946   Nobody else                     has done that.                  30 00:01:20,013 --> 00:01:21,881   Though a hardcore icon         31 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:24,951     countless injuries and a       lawless locker room            32 00:01:25,018 --> 00:01:27,520   create no shortage of           controversies,                  33 00:01:27,554 --> 00:01:30,423    leaving The Sandman               with a brutal and            34 00:01:30,457 --> 00:01:32,092    complicated legacy.           35 00:01:32,125 --> 00:01:34,527   Somebody has got to               stop The Sandman.             36 00:01:34,561 --> 00:01:36,563  Why fuck with what's             going on in the back?           37 00:01:36,596 --> 00:01:38,364    As soon as the coke ends,        or the pot ends,              38 00:01:38,398 --> 00:01:39,899   there was, you know,             painkillers.                   39 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:42,702   We all did alcohol,               drugs, pills that             40 00:01:42,735 --> 00:01:44,304    you could                        possibly think of.            41 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:47,040   I don't know if he remembers    even half of the stuff          42 00:01:47,073 --> 00:01:48,908 that has ever happened.          43 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:52,579  I told my family, said, "Tell   them the fucking worst.          44 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:54,547    People need to know this."    45 00:01:54,581 --> 00:01:55,715    [Chanting]                       ECW! ECW!                     46 00:01:55,748 --> 00:01:58,084    He should've been              dead a long time ago.           47 00:01:58,118 --> 00:02:02,388 [Bell chiming continues]         48 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:13,500 Yeah...                          49 00:02:15,668 --> 00:02:17,337  Alright, so my                  music's playing.                 50 00:02:17,403 --> 00:02:19,305 Maybe some days                  it's 30 seconds,                 51 00:02:19,339 --> 00:02:21,074 some days it's a                   minute and a half...           52 00:02:21,107 --> 00:02:23,243  but at the one point,             it's like, alright,            53 00:02:23,276 --> 00:02:25,178   everybody should be clapping      your hands at this point.     54 00:02:25,245 --> 00:02:27,514    So when I come in,              I don't want                   55 00:02:27,580 --> 00:02:29,916   everybody to see me             at one time.                    56 00:02:29,949 --> 00:02:32,152   I want, like, some people to     see me and they'll be like,    57 00:02:32,185 --> 00:02:33,453   "Oh, shit,                        he's over there"!             58 00:02:33,486 --> 00:02:35,855  And then it works its           way around the building,         59 00:02:35,922 --> 00:02:38,291  and it might take ten,            fifteen seconds 'til           60 00:02:38,324 --> 00:02:41,261    everybody actually figures     out you're over here.           61 00:02:41,294 --> 00:02:43,129    [Cheering]                    62 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:44,497 And then at that                 point I got 'em                  63 00:02:44,531 --> 00:02:47,267  and it's time                    to pop a beer.                  64 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:48,868  Back in the day, dude,            I would drink, like,           65 00:02:48,935 --> 00:02:50,637 six beers on the                 way to the ring.                 66 00:02:50,670 --> 00:02:52,305  I'd smash 'em                   against my head.                 67 00:02:52,338 --> 00:02:55,175 I'd be bloody before I           even get into the ring.          68 00:02:55,208 --> 00:02:56,876  I mean, that's                  his personality.                 69 00:02:56,943 --> 00:02:59,646   He's drinking beer,               spitting it out.              70 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:01,814    He's pouring beer                down your throat.             71 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:03,716    [Cheering]                    72 00:03:03,783 --> 00:03:06,352   You feel like you're           part of it, and you are.         73 00:03:06,386 --> 00:03:08,021  If you got a                      'Sandman' shirt on,            74 00:03:08,054 --> 00:03:09,956   you're definitely getting a     beer poured down your throat.   75 00:03:09,989 --> 00:03:11,191  You know what                     I'm saying?                    76 00:03:11,224 --> 00:03:12,959    It's the best part             of the show...                  77 00:03:12,992 --> 00:03:14,827 unless you're wrestling.           If you're wrestling it sucks   78 00:03:14,861 --> 00:03:16,529    'cause you gotta wait for     him to get to the ring.          79 00:03:16,563 --> 00:03:17,897 But if you're watching,            it's great.                    80 00:03:17,964 --> 00:03:19,699    You know, 'cause you give        the fans what they want.      81 00:03:19,732 --> 00:03:21,634    He's one of them,                you know?                     82 00:03:21,668 --> 00:03:23,336  It's a great entrance.          83 00:03:23,369 --> 00:03:26,573  With those pants, and              put the durag on,             84 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,241   it's like the equivalent of     like getting up and putting a   85 00:03:28,308 --> 00:03:30,510   hat on and, you know, going    and doing your errands.          86 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:33,413   Except this guy was putting      this shit on and going out     87 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:37,050    and entertaining hundreds     of thousands of people.          88 00:03:37,083 --> 00:03:39,686   At this point I'm having as      much fun as they're having,    89 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:41,020  you know what I mean,             because...                     90 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:42,922 this is                             what I want to do.            91 00:03:42,989 --> 00:03:45,491   This is what, what I worked      my whole life to be in this    92 00:03:45,525 --> 00:03:48,194 fucking moment right, right now,  you know what I mean?           93 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,597  I want that moment to           last forever, you know?          94 00:03:50,663 --> 00:03:51,898 I want to live                   in that moment.                  95 00:03:51,931 --> 00:03:55,034 It's a party. You know,          his entrance is a party.         96 00:03:55,068 --> 00:03:58,104   And, you know, once              that's over, then, you know,   97 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:00,006    you gotta see him wrestle.    98 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:01,274   Oh!                            99 00:04:01,341 --> 00:04:04,110    Oh my God!                    100 00:04:04,177 --> 00:04:06,713   Yo, I'm The Sandman.              What the fuck up?             101 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:11,251   Yeah, dude.                    My parents call me Hak,          102 00:04:11,284 --> 00:04:12,885   my kids call me Hak,           103 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:15,021    my granddaughter                calls me Poppy Hak.            104 00:04:15,054 --> 00:04:17,056 I've had that name since          I was five years old,           105 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:18,458 my older brother                  gave it to me.                  106 00:04:21,894 --> 00:04:24,464  Ah, dude, it was like             Saturday afternoon.            107 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:28,601  I watched WW...WF at               one o'clock on Saturdays.     108 00:04:28,635 --> 00:04:30,703    Down goes Conrad!             109 00:04:30,737 --> 00:04:32,739    Dude, that's all I               ever wanted to be             110 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:35,608   was a professional wrestler.   111 00:04:35,642 --> 00:04:38,444 And the bloodied Sandman            thrown through that table.    112 00:04:42,882 --> 00:04:45,385    I was all coked up             and I was drunk and...          113 00:04:45,418 --> 00:04:48,821  I burglarize the house, which    is basically the only, like,    114 00:04:48,888 --> 00:04:51,457 real like, "crime" crime         that I ever did.                 115 00:04:51,491 --> 00:04:54,961   And my first day in jail, I      punched a guard in the face.   116 00:04:54,994 --> 00:04:57,096 I got in a fight with a          guy over the television.         117 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:59,766    I was watching something,        and he went to change it      118 00:04:59,799 --> 00:05:01,100   and then we got in a fight.    119 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:02,902    Two guards were,                had to break it up.            120 00:05:02,935 --> 00:05:05,838   He ducked, I punched             a guard in the face.           121 00:05:05,905 --> 00:05:07,140    Broke his glasses.            122 00:05:07,173 --> 00:05:09,342 I was lucky I didn't get           charged with assault           123 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:10,943   on a guard. That could have    been a couple of years,          124 00:05:10,977 --> 00:05:12,111  you know what I mean?           125 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:13,680 But I ended up literally            going to the hole             126 00:05:13,746 --> 00:05:16,015 for six months.                  127 00:05:16,082 --> 00:05:18,151   I'm glad it happened              because, you know,            128 00:05:18,184 --> 00:05:20,019 it's throwing a                  rock in a pond.                  129 00:05:20,086 --> 00:05:24,757   If that ripple's not there,     maybe this ripple's not here.   130 00:05:24,791 --> 00:05:29,128    It's just the stupid shit     I walk into in my life.          131 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:30,763    ♪                             132 00:05:30,797 --> 00:05:32,699    I get out of jail,             it's like '84.                  133 00:05:32,765 --> 00:05:36,336    And like, this new             club opens up.                  134 00:05:36,369 --> 00:05:38,371   [Chattering]                   135 00:05:38,438 --> 00:05:40,540   And dude, the place              holds 2,000 people.            136 00:05:40,606 --> 00:05:42,508   It's like five storeys high.   137 00:05:42,542 --> 00:05:44,043  It's like the                     greatest thing ever.           138 00:05:44,110 --> 00:05:47,380   So, Thursday nights was ten      bucks all you could drink.     139 00:05:47,447 --> 00:05:49,115    So I'm out there,             I'm on the dance floor.          140 00:05:49,148 --> 00:05:51,484 Some blonde comes up and         starts dancing with me,          141 00:05:51,517 --> 00:05:52,685   grabs me by my hand,           142 00:05:52,719 --> 00:05:54,053  and started walking me            across dance floor.            143 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,288   I'm like, "Alright.            144 00:05:55,321 --> 00:05:58,024 Where am I gonna go have           sex with this chick?           145 00:05:58,057 --> 00:06:00,860 Where is-" 'Cause that's            exactly what I'm thinking.    146 00:06:00,893 --> 00:06:02,829 We end up going                  up these stairs.                 147 00:06:02,862 --> 00:06:04,497  We're in this little frickin'    office, and I'm like,           148 00:06:04,530 --> 00:06:06,799 "Well, how am I gonna do           this in this little office"?   149 00:06:06,833 --> 00:06:08,534    She goes,                      "Take your shirt off."          150 00:06:08,568 --> 00:06:09,736  I'm thinking how am I              gonna screw her?              151 00:06:09,802 --> 00:06:11,971   She goes, "Listen,             I'm a producer-director          152 00:06:12,004 --> 00:06:13,139  for the Chippendales.           153 00:06:13,172 --> 00:06:14,807    I want you to be a             Chippendales."                  154 00:06:14,841 --> 00:06:16,509    I was one of those               guys who wore the             155 00:06:16,542 --> 00:06:19,011    black pants, tight pants,        the cuffs and the collar,     156 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:20,747   and I just entertain              the women.                    157 00:06:20,813 --> 00:06:22,548    Because I don't leave the     club until two o'clock           158 00:06:22,582 --> 00:06:23,850    in the morning, you know.     159 00:06:23,883 --> 00:06:25,585    You're snorting coke with       the boys who's down            160 00:06:25,651 --> 00:06:27,553   in the locker room, because       that's just what you did      161 00:06:27,587 --> 00:06:29,422   back in them days.              You know what I mean?           162 00:06:29,489 --> 00:06:31,357  And then I go out to             the after-hours club,           163 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:34,394    and then I go to the club     that opened up at 6 AM.          164 00:06:34,427 --> 00:06:36,329  It's just crazy, man.           165 00:06:36,362 --> 00:06:38,064 And that was my job for           the next year or so,            166 00:06:38,097 --> 00:06:39,766    until I got fired             for soliciting.                  167 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,735   Soliciting.                      And I got...                   168 00:06:42,769 --> 00:06:44,337   because they weren't            paying a lot of money.          169 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:46,773   I had like four guys              in on it with me.             170 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,875   So, it was 100 bucks              to do us,                     171 00:06:48,908 --> 00:06:52,178  there was the Alpine Inn down     the street, that was 42.50.    172 00:06:52,211 --> 00:06:55,248    So of course, 100 for us,        42.50 for the Alpine Inn      173 00:06:55,281 --> 00:06:56,949    for however long it took.     174 00:06:57,016 --> 00:07:00,052  And that lasted for about six    months, until... I don't know,  175 00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:02,255 just one day there's a              couple of state troopers,     176 00:07:02,288 --> 00:07:04,590    they're like, "Listen, we        could file some charges,      177 00:07:04,624 --> 00:07:06,793    or you could quit                and tell us who,              178 00:07:06,859 --> 00:07:08,261   who your boys are."            I said,                          179 00:07:08,294 --> 00:07:09,729  "Well, I'm not telling            you who my boys are.           180 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:11,297    That's your job to            figure that out.                 181 00:07:11,364 --> 00:07:14,567 But, I'll quit."                  So I was done.                  182 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,103    He was not the type that I      would've saw myself            183 00:07:17,136 --> 00:07:19,772    going for, really.             He was very...                  184 00:07:19,806 --> 00:07:21,774   I don't know if you            want to say flamboyant,          185 00:07:21,808 --> 00:07:24,377  but something                   drew me to him.                  186 00:07:24,410 --> 00:07:27,647   And believe it or not, that       night we sat and talked,      187 00:07:27,713 --> 00:07:31,751  and he was just like,             "I think I could love you."    188 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:34,253   -Hey, I work quick.              -[Laughing]                    189 00:07:34,287 --> 00:07:36,122   Dude, that's kinda              how I've been with...           190 00:07:36,155 --> 00:07:39,058  it's like I meet 'em            and then, like, I'm in.          191 00:07:39,091 --> 00:07:42,094   I ended up actually,             a few months later,            192 00:07:42,128 --> 00:07:43,896  finding out I                    was pregnant.                   193 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:46,833   And he said he'd like to get   married before the child         194 00:07:46,899 --> 00:07:50,503  was born so he wasn't            born out of wedlock.            195 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:53,606  Miss Peaches!                   196 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:55,641    [Cheering]                    197 00:07:55,675 --> 00:07:58,811   My name is                      Lori Stolecki, a.k.a.           198 00:07:58,845 --> 00:08:02,648   'Peaches' from ECW,             and Sandman's ex-wife.          199 00:08:02,682 --> 00:08:05,351  He was in construction            at the time,                   200 00:08:05,418 --> 00:08:08,321 and Joel Goodhart opened          up a wrestling school.          201 00:08:08,354 --> 00:08:10,623    I had to go check it out,      and then next thing you know,   202 00:08:10,656 --> 00:08:12,792  dude, like, three days later,    I gave the guy, like,           203 00:08:12,825 --> 00:08:14,460   3,500 bucks.                   204 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:15,862    Three months later               I was in the ring.            205 00:08:15,928 --> 00:08:17,330    It's not gonna be pretty.     206 00:08:17,363 --> 00:08:19,198 There's gonna be blood,             there's gonna be              207 00:08:19,265 --> 00:08:21,367    broken bones, and                it's me and you.              208 00:08:21,434 --> 00:08:24,270  When I first signed,             it was probably 1991.           209 00:08:24,303 --> 00:08:25,671 He was a surfer.                 210 00:08:25,705 --> 00:08:27,473    He had white stuff on his        nose, he wore a wetsuit,      211 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:28,875   and he carried a surfboard.    212 00:08:28,941 --> 00:08:31,611    From South Beach,              California...                   213 00:08:31,644 --> 00:08:34,380   this is The Sandman!           214 00:08:34,447 --> 00:08:35,615 My name's Sabu.                  215 00:08:35,648 --> 00:08:36,949   I've been wrestling            over 30 years,                   216 00:08:36,983 --> 00:08:39,685    and I participated in ECW.    217 00:08:39,719 --> 00:08:41,454    Oh my God!                    218 00:08:41,487 --> 00:08:42,655    I, I remember him.            219 00:08:42,688 --> 00:08:44,690   And he came out with              Peaches, his wife.            220 00:08:44,724 --> 00:08:47,360   I met up with the promoter,     and he goes, "I got your name.  221 00:08:47,393 --> 00:08:48,728 You're gonna be                  'Mr. Sandman'."                  222 00:08:48,794 --> 00:08:49,862 And he looks at my wife,          then he goes,                   223 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:50,997   "You're gonna be 'Peaches'."   224 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:53,699 Peaches!                         225 00:08:53,733 --> 00:08:56,402   He used to wear this              god awful wetsuit             226 00:08:56,469 --> 00:08:59,071  that smelled horrible.          227 00:08:59,138 --> 00:09:02,642    I'm Kelly, and The               Sandman is my dad.            228 00:09:02,675 --> 00:09:05,044  And he would come out              with my mom, Miss Peaches,    229 00:09:05,077 --> 00:09:07,380    and he would come out with     his stupid surfboard.           230 00:09:07,413 --> 00:09:09,348    That was his very             first gimmick.                   231 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:11,183   You know, it started           out doing, like,                 232 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:14,220 little gymnasiums, and,          like, car dealerships...         233 00:09:14,253 --> 00:09:17,924 but it was, like, just a            fresh new company.            234 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:19,659  It was, like,                      everybody was just            235 00:09:19,692 --> 00:09:21,327 getting their bearings,             you know?                     236 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,728  We're feeling it out.           237 00:09:22,762 --> 00:09:24,931   But, he was                      consistent with it.            238 00:09:24,997 --> 00:09:26,699  It was like his life's dream.   239 00:09:26,732 --> 00:09:29,368 It's my pleasure being              here with all you people,     240 00:09:29,402 --> 00:09:32,204   'cause if it wasn't for you,      I wouldn't have this belt!    241 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:33,439   Irish Whip!                    242 00:09:33,506 --> 00:09:36,275   The gimmick was bad,             his ability was not.           243 00:09:36,342 --> 00:09:39,011    I mean, he's big,               he was good looking,           244 00:09:39,045 --> 00:09:40,846   very bright, very athletic.    245 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,914   Oh!                            246 00:09:41,948 --> 00:09:43,115  My name is Tod Gordon.          247 00:09:43,182 --> 00:09:44,216   I'm the creator and            the founder of                   248 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:45,952   Extreme Championship              Wrestling.                    249 00:09:46,018 --> 00:09:48,254   Oh, thank heaven. Here's our      commissioner, here's Tod.     250 00:09:48,287 --> 00:09:50,356   Sandman and I have been best      friends since we first met    251 00:09:50,389 --> 00:09:53,025  30 years ago, when I            started my own company,          252 00:09:53,059 --> 00:09:54,594    which was Eastern              Championship Wrestling          253 00:09:54,627 --> 00:09:55,795   at the time,                     which became                   254 00:09:55,861 --> 00:09:57,430   Extreme Championship              Wrestling.                    255 00:09:57,463 --> 00:10:00,299    He was on my first               grouping of people to use.    256 00:10:00,366 --> 00:10:02,568   I've had that belt,            I've been there before,          257 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:04,403 and I'll be there again.         258 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:06,806     Sandman now on top of thing. 259 00:10:06,872 --> 00:10:09,375  Philadelphia's Eastern           Championship Wrestling          260 00:10:09,408 --> 00:10:11,611  was a struggling                 indie promotion,                261 00:10:11,644 --> 00:10:14,046   until the arrival of             Paul Heyman,                   262 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,116   who transforms                  the company into                263 00:10:17,149 --> 00:10:19,485   Extreme Championship              Wrestling,                    264 00:10:22,321 --> 00:10:23,990   Look at him!                      Fuck him!                     265 00:10:24,056 --> 00:10:26,325   Paul Heyman was the               right guy because             266 00:10:26,392 --> 00:10:28,394    he is great mind                 for the business.             267 00:10:28,427 --> 00:10:31,831 How to be a rule                   breaker 101.                   268 00:10:31,897 --> 00:10:33,566 Dude, he is the                   greatest mind ever in,          269 00:10:33,599 --> 00:10:35,668    in the history of             professional wrestling.          270 00:10:35,735 --> 00:10:38,938 Creatively, nobody could          touch Paul Heyman and           271 00:10:38,971 --> 00:10:41,807  come anywhere                     close to that dude.            272 00:10:41,841 --> 00:10:45,077   And I would not be sitting       here right now if it wasn't    273 00:10:45,111 --> 00:10:48,914    for Paul Heyman giving me       the ball and letting me run.   274 00:10:48,948 --> 00:10:50,583   First night,                    I go in there,                  275 00:10:50,616 --> 00:10:52,585   fucking he sees me               with the surfboard.            276 00:10:52,618 --> 00:10:55,955 He goes, "That's getting broken     over your head tonight."      277 00:10:55,988 --> 00:10:57,523    And then the next             thing you know,                  278 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:59,425   I forgot my wrestling boots.   279 00:10:59,458 --> 00:11:02,194  I'm like, "Paul, sorry dude,     I forgot my wrestling boots."   280 00:11:02,261 --> 00:11:05,464  He goes, "I don't give          a fuck." And I'm like...         281 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:09,135   I don't have to wear           wrestling shoes no more.         282 00:11:09,168 --> 00:11:13,773   Dude, it was a fucking light      bulb going off in my head.    283 00:11:13,806 --> 00:11:17,109 When Paul Heyman says,           "I don't give a fuck if          284 00:11:17,143 --> 00:11:20,212 you're wearing wrestling         boots." I'm like, boom,          285 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:23,282   I'm not even gonna change.      I'm gonna wear the clothes...   286 00:11:23,315 --> 00:11:26,519    I'm gonna, I'm gonna show        up to the arena, and dude,    287 00:11:26,552 --> 00:11:28,220 I'm gonna be me.                 288 00:11:28,287 --> 00:11:31,157  I'm just gonna fucking          be me out there.                 289 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:32,324    And it got to that- It was    at that point I'm like,          290 00:11:32,358 --> 00:11:33,893   you're never                   gonna be able to                 291 00:11:33,959 --> 00:11:35,528  walk through                      this curtain again.            292 00:11:35,561 --> 00:11:38,164 Like, you, you literally          cannot enter the ring           293 00:11:38,197 --> 00:11:41,033  like a normal                     wrestler ever again,           294 00:11:41,067 --> 00:11:42,802  because this is what's          expected of you.                 295 00:11:50,376 --> 00:11:54,647  He will be more hardcore than     the next Traci Lords video.    296 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,749  And as for me,                    Paul E. Dangerously,           297 00:11:56,816 --> 00:11:58,718  haven't had a                      shave in a couple of weeks    298 00:11:58,751 --> 00:12:03,055  and don't look like I            really care anymore!            299 00:12:03,089 --> 00:12:05,224    Upon Paul Heyman's arrival,   300 00:12:05,257 --> 00:12:07,660     The Sandman drops                his surfer look,             301 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:10,596  changing with the times           to re-invent himself           302 00:12:10,663 --> 00:12:12,531     with a whole new persona.    303 00:12:12,665 --> 00:12:14,166  I was always                       trying to figure,             304 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,102   what hasn't                     somebody done?                  305 00:12:16,168 --> 00:12:19,205   Well, the good time's over,    here comes The Sandman.          306 00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:21,574  I'm the guy that's in the bar,   loses a game of pool,           307 00:12:21,607 --> 00:12:23,676    and wants to get               into a fight with ya.           308 00:12:23,709 --> 00:12:25,711  That was me in                   my life, dude.                  309 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:28,080   That was my regular               Friday and Saturday night.    310 00:12:28,114 --> 00:12:29,915  You know what I mean?           Like, I was a gimmick...         311 00:12:29,949 --> 00:12:33,552  by, by myself,                     born as a gimmick.            312 00:12:33,586 --> 00:12:35,521    We got to be ourselves in      the dressing room and           313 00:12:35,554 --> 00:12:36,956  ourselves in the ring.          314 00:12:37,022 --> 00:12:38,357  The beauty of                     Paul's intelligence,           315 00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:40,559 is he makes you                  figure it out.                   316 00:12:40,593 --> 00:12:44,096    By trial and error, that's       how he became The Sandman.    317 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:45,464   Hey, daddy.                    318 00:12:45,531 --> 00:12:47,967    My name is                     Bill 'Fonzie' Alfonso,          319 00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:52,071    and I am a 40 year            plus veteran of                  320 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:53,372  sports entertainment.           321 00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:55,941    This is a winner!             He's a winner!                   322 00:12:55,975 --> 00:12:57,777    Fuck you, asshole!            323 00:12:57,810 --> 00:13:00,246   He would put things together   in his head that                 324 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,649 he thought would work in            ECW, and they did.            325 00:13:03,716 --> 00:13:05,651    Life's a bitch...             326 00:13:07,753 --> 00:13:09,922 and then you marry one.          327 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:11,957    He's a typical Philly guy.    328 00:13:11,991 --> 00:13:14,059  Like, you go to a bar,            you get in a brawl,            329 00:13:14,093 --> 00:13:15,461    you know,                     here's the dude.                 330 00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:17,329    He was a relatable               character.                    331 00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:21,433  People could kind of identify    with that South Philly vibe.    332 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:24,470   He was your buddy who would      come off the couch and just    333 00:13:24,503 --> 00:13:28,140  step into the ring, and swing      a cane and drink a beer.      334 00:13:28,174 --> 00:13:30,176    My name is Raven,              professional wrestling          335 00:13:30,242 --> 00:13:33,078    superstar, but you               already know that.            336 00:13:33,112 --> 00:13:35,247 For the first time ever,         337 00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:39,618  Raven goes one on one              with The Sandman.             338 00:13:39,652 --> 00:13:42,421    You know, every fan says,      "Oh, I would get in the ring."  339 00:13:42,454 --> 00:13:44,990 Sandman with the                   guillotine leg drop.           340 00:13:45,024 --> 00:13:47,092  But he's the guy that              actually goes and does it.    341 00:13:47,126 --> 00:13:49,361   Part of being a good worker      is knowing how to get your     342 00:13:49,428 --> 00:13:51,931    character over and how to        keep the character over.      343 00:13:51,964 --> 00:13:55,534 And he's done that for,          you know, 35 years now.          344 00:13:58,537 --> 00:14:01,040  Well, yeah! And like,              coming through the crowd.     345 00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:03,609  I think I came through             the crowd because,            346 00:14:03,642 --> 00:14:05,778 me and Missy were coming            through the crowd.            347 00:14:05,811 --> 00:14:10,983 [Laughing] Dude.                  Me and Missy.                   348 00:14:11,016 --> 00:14:16,155   [Laughing] We're in            fucking Queens,                  349 00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:18,791   and there is                   this strip club.                 350 00:14:18,824 --> 00:14:21,627   Me and Missy are over in the      strip club and my music's     351 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:23,796  playing, it's already             played once this whole time.   352 00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:26,498   So, I wasn't going, fucking     up through the back,            353 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:27,700  into in there.                  354 00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:30,336   I just went through            the front fucking door.          355 00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:32,238    Boom! Light bulb.             356 00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:34,240  Nobody's come through              the crowd before.             357 00:14:34,306 --> 00:14:36,709 Just drinking his beer,           walking through the audience.   358 00:14:36,742 --> 00:14:39,345    Meanwhile, he's drunk off     his ass by then, geez.           359 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,547 Then he's drinking five          on the way to the ring.          360 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:43,849  We trusted him because          361 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,552  we knew he was                   able to do it.                  362 00:14:46,585 --> 00:14:49,555 My name is RVD.                     That stands for...            363 00:14:49,588 --> 00:14:52,658  Rob! Van! Dam!                  364 00:14:52,691 --> 00:14:55,060    [Cheering]                    365 00:14:55,094 --> 00:14:58,330   You know, he proved himself      that he was able to            366 00:14:58,364 --> 00:15:00,366  wrestle when                     he was drunk.                   367 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:01,901    Watching him, I would get        nervous with his              368 00:15:01,934 --> 00:15:04,436   freaking ass, climbing up on      the top rope and I'm like,    369 00:15:04,503 --> 00:15:06,772   "Is he really gonna             attempt this                    370 00:15:06,839 --> 00:15:08,574 aerial maneuver                    right now"?                    371 00:15:08,607 --> 00:15:10,676   Oh!                            372 00:15:10,709 --> 00:15:12,544   I know I can                   trust him drunk.                 373 00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:14,079    Anybody drunk? No.            374 00:15:14,113 --> 00:15:16,248  Sandman, yes.                    Anybody else?                   375 00:15:16,282 --> 00:15:18,417   I wouldn't allow it either.    But Sandman...                   376 00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:19,852    you're not drunk?             377 00:15:19,885 --> 00:15:21,253  I'm not wrestling you.             [Laughing]                    378 00:15:24,023 --> 00:15:25,591    So, it's a Sunday.            379 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:26,892  Paul's like,                      "Let's go outside."            380 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,794 And we're standing next           to this fucking tree.           381 00:15:28,861 --> 00:15:30,896   Paul goes, "You know            that kid overseas that          382 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,065 got caught spray                    painting the car"?            383 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:34,733  I'm like, "Yeah, kid,            Michael Fay." He goes,          384 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,435   "Good, you know what             I'm talking about."            385 00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:39,071    Singapore had sentenced an      18 year old American           386 00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:41,473   to six strokes with            a bamboo cane.                   387 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:42,875   And I said, "Yeah."            388 00:15:42,908 --> 00:15:44,443 Dude, you ever see that            fucking cane that they use?    389 00:15:44,476 --> 00:15:46,578 Every shot they hit you          with it makes you bleed.         390 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:48,948   He goes, "You're gonna start      carrying a Singapore cane     391 00:15:48,981 --> 00:15:52,151  to the ring." I'm like, "Paul,    okay, what am I gonna use"?    392 00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:54,586    He goes...                    393 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,956    rips a branch off                the fucking tree,             394 00:15:56,989 --> 00:15:59,158    rips all the little other     branches off it, says,           395 00:15:59,224 --> 00:16:00,592 "Get some tape,                   wrap it around there.           396 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:02,094 That's gonna be                    your Singapore cane.           397 00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:03,662    I want you to cut                a promo with it."             398 00:16:03,729 --> 00:16:07,166 The first ever                   Singapore Caning Match.          399 00:16:07,232 --> 00:16:12,237    May 14th                        Saturday night ECW!            400 00:16:12,271 --> 00:16:16,241 And now it's The Sandman           caning Iron Man Tommy Cairo.   401 00:16:16,275 --> 00:16:18,577   -[Smacking]                      -Did you hear that?            402 00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:21,113   And then the, the angle with      Dreamer, just. [Whistling]    403 00:16:22,414 --> 00:16:24,583  It went to ten lashes.          404 00:16:24,616 --> 00:16:26,085  I can't look!                   405 00:16:26,118 --> 00:16:27,619   Ah!                            406 00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:29,321   It skyrocketed both            of our careers.                  407 00:16:29,355 --> 00:16:32,091  He got his ass kicked,             but he took it like a man.    408 00:16:32,124 --> 00:16:33,826  And Philly loves that.          409 00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:37,529 Thank you, sir.                    May I have another!            410 00:16:37,596 --> 00:16:39,798  And The Sandman takes              an eleventh shot!             411 00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:42,267  It's hardcore                      because it's real.            412 00:16:42,301 --> 00:16:44,937    And to me you're pulling        something out of the inside    413 00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:47,973 of somebody that they're         feeling somehow                  414 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:49,375    what you're doing              in the ring.                    415 00:16:49,441 --> 00:16:52,277 Hardcore isn't violence          to do violence.                  416 00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:55,280    To me, like, the hardcore        is violence for a reason.     417 00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:57,149 And then it just                    means more people,            418 00:16:57,182 --> 00:16:58,484    and you can see it            in their faces.                  419 00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:00,319   You can see how they react.    420 00:17:00,352 --> 00:17:02,221    Sandman wasn't a wrestler.    421 00:17:02,287 --> 00:17:04,356  He was a entertainer.           422 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:06,358 That cigarette hit our             cameraman right in the eye.    423 00:17:06,392 --> 00:17:08,227    That's what ECW was about.    424 00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:09,661   Wrestling is entertainment.    425 00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:11,964  You don't have to do a          wristlock, a wristwatch,         426 00:17:11,997 --> 00:17:13,532  a moonsault to                    get over it.                   427 00:17:13,565 --> 00:17:15,467 It doesn't have                  to be wrestling.                 428 00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:20,706  I'm getting ready to take you     to a new level of extreme!     429 00:17:20,739 --> 00:17:22,241   Ah!                            430 00:17:22,307 --> 00:17:24,810  He got better and better and     knew how to play The Sandman,   431 00:17:24,843 --> 00:17:27,146 and he was just                   acting this part out.           432 00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:28,814    Everybody was kind              of riding that high.           433 00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:30,849 Everyone was like, "Man,           like, they made it."           434 00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:33,385    We're in this very               concentrated community and    435 00:17:33,419 --> 00:17:35,854  everybody knew                    who he was.                    436 00:17:35,888 --> 00:17:38,824   He dropped me off at school    and he's got gash marks          437 00:17:38,857 --> 00:17:40,826  on his head from like           the beer cans.                   438 00:17:40,859 --> 00:17:42,694 And my teacher's                    like, "The fuck...            439 00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:44,229   Tyler, you alright?"           440 00:17:44,263 --> 00:17:47,833    I'm Tyler Fullington, and        The Sandman is my father.     441 00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:50,169 Every time he was home,             you know,                     442 00:17:50,202 --> 00:17:51,737    he made sure to spend time    with us because                  443 00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:54,239  he knew he would be on            the road, you know,            444 00:17:54,273 --> 00:17:55,674   a lot, and be away.            445 00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:58,077  And he wanted to make           sure that his kids were          446 00:17:58,110 --> 00:17:59,511 having his time                     when he was home.             447 00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:00,879    You know,                     hurting or not.                  448 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,281  He would just                   roll out of bed,                 449 00:18:02,347 --> 00:18:04,917 throw pants on and like,           let's roll.                    450 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:07,252 Literally, he would say,          "Let's roll"!                   451 00:18:07,286 --> 00:18:10,722   The older and older I got I      felt, this is cool and all,    452 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:15,794   but times I'd rather           just have my dad around.         453 00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:20,065 Sandman's schedule becomes even  more punishing                   454 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:22,201  as ECW explodes in popularity   455 00:18:22,234 --> 00:18:25,437 by constantly pushing their own  limits.                          456 00:18:27,573 --> 00:18:31,210  Paul's show is                  aimed at adults.                 457 00:18:31,243 --> 00:18:33,479   The Sandman exposes             his ex-wife!                    458 00:18:33,545 --> 00:18:36,882    And so storylines               were adult.                    459 00:18:36,915 --> 00:18:39,151    The Sandman's got               a hold of his wife!            460 00:18:39,218 --> 00:18:41,286 He just, he just                 pulled up her...                 461 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,255   and woman is                   lashing Peaches!                 462 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:44,623    Just thought like,            this is like the                 463 00:18:44,656 --> 00:18:47,059 furthest thing                     from pro wrestling.            464 00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:50,262  But Paul would                  guide us the way                 465 00:18:50,295 --> 00:18:52,898  the ECW energy                   needed to be.                   466 00:18:52,931 --> 00:18:55,601    Well, I had Nancy with me,      too, so that helps.            467 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,336  Why thank you,                  Sandman.                         468 00:18:57,402 --> 00:18:59,104 And that's just                  the beginning.                   469 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,173    I've been known to             enhance a few careers.          470 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,509    She was so smart.                I would be like,              471 00:19:03,575 --> 00:19:04,910  "Yeah, I want to do it            this way." She goes,           472 00:19:04,943 --> 00:19:06,278  "No, we're not                     doing it that way.            473 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:08,480    We're doing it this way."      I'm like, "Alright."            474 00:19:08,514 --> 00:19:11,984 -Woman!                            -[Cheering]                    475 00:19:12,017 --> 00:19:15,754   And so if something             happens outside of the          476 00:19:15,787 --> 00:19:17,856    wrestling world,                 they're gonna go with it,     477 00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:19,925  and the fans are gonna            know about it anyway           478 00:19:19,958 --> 00:19:22,427  because they were all,           what we called                  479 00:19:22,461 --> 00:19:25,197 'the smart fans'                 or 'the smarks.'                 480 00:19:25,264 --> 00:19:27,866    I walk into the building        and Paul Heyman goes to me,    481 00:19:27,933 --> 00:19:31,170  "I've been talking to              Macaulay Culkin.              482 00:19:31,203 --> 00:19:32,604   This is what we're gonna do.   483 00:19:32,638 --> 00:19:34,439    We're gonna bring him in        as your kid." And I'm like,    484 00:19:34,473 --> 00:19:36,208 "Dude, I have a                  Macaulay Culkin sitting          485 00:19:36,275 --> 00:19:37,843  right out in my van."              He goes, "Great!              486 00:19:37,876 --> 00:19:39,645    We'll use Tyler."             487 00:19:39,678 --> 00:19:41,513 That's just one                  of Paul's lies.                  488 00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:43,448  Had no connection to            Macaulay Culkin at all.          489 00:19:44,449 --> 00:19:46,852  Yeah.                           490 00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:48,187    Of course they do.            491 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,155   He could sell you snowballs     in winter, trust me.            492 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,690    Yeah, I was about             six years old.                   493 00:19:51,723 --> 00:19:54,193 My mom,                             dad came up to me.            494 00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:56,195   "How would you like to be,     like, part of the show, or..."?  495 00:19:56,228 --> 00:19:58,830    I'm like,                      "Uh, I guess"?                  496 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:00,065    You know,                       what am I gonna do?            497 00:20:00,132 --> 00:20:02,167 I just remember he takes          my wife, and then he,           498 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:05,070  and then he takes my kid, and    then we're off to the races.    499 00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:15,547 The Sandman'swife Lauri has long    been an ECW fixture           500 00:20:15,581 --> 00:20:17,149  as part of her husband's           storylines.                   501 00:20:17,182 --> 00:20:20,819   And now takes center stage in     his latest feud with Raven    502 00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:23,088    You took my child.            503 00:20:23,155 --> 00:20:27,993   Tonight, I'm gonna take you,    Raven, to the extreme.          504 00:20:28,026 --> 00:20:30,395   However, the idea of bringing     his son Tyler into the mix    505 00:20:30,429 --> 00:20:31,830     was something the             wrestling world                 506 00:20:31,863 --> 00:20:33,899     hasn't seen and                  wouldn't expect.             507 00:20:33,932 --> 00:20:35,234 Oh dear Lord...                  508 00:20:35,267 --> 00:20:38,337    I don't even know                how it all began.             509 00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:42,341    Inside this woman's body,       began the constant             510 00:20:42,374 --> 00:20:45,777 evolution of the                   Sandman's successor.           511 00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:48,547   Sandman and my feud,             I would say,                   512 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,016 is one of the greatest             feuds in the history of the    513 00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:53,585    business, but I'm partial        'cause I was in the feud.     514 00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:55,454 But I really think that.         515 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,056 Everybody knows somebody         who has a marriage that          516 00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,926    got ended in divorce where      the child is used as           517 00:21:00,959 --> 00:21:03,862  a prop to gain                    concessions.                   518 00:21:03,895 --> 00:21:07,966  All the abuse, the suffering,    the emotional alienation that   519 00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:11,036   I took as a child is             now being inflicted            520 00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:13,238  upon your son,                  Sandman.                         521 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:14,806    And it's the most             lowdown, dirty,                  522 00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,575 and cruel thing                    you can do.                    523 00:21:16,608 --> 00:21:18,277    So I'm like, "Oh,             this is great."                  524 00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:20,612   The main crux of it was that      Raven and Sandman had been    525 00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:23,215 feuding and they wanted             to take it the next level.    526 00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:26,218 So Raven, quote unquote,          stole Sandman's wife.           527 00:21:26,251 --> 00:21:28,287   I've already pimped              her out to                     528 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,489 the whole locker                   room before.                   529 00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:32,090    But then he stole               Sandman's son Tyler,           530 00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,059    which was really               controversial because           531 00:21:34,092 --> 00:21:36,962 we had a kid who's like            five years old in the ring.    532 00:21:36,995 --> 00:21:39,464   Next thing you know,             here we are.                   533 00:21:39,498 --> 00:21:42,267    He's got a little             flannel shirt on and...          534 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:44,603    and they just coached him        in the back a little bit      535 00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:47,439    just what to say.                And, you know...              536 00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:49,808  Don't you dare fucking          smile out there.                 537 00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:51,443 Nothing.                         538 00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:54,112    I don't want any reaction      from you on anything.           539 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:56,615   This is where your face is.    540 00:21:56,648 --> 00:21:58,450    What do you think                about that, kid?              541 00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,819   That's your face and           that's the way you stay.         542 00:22:00,852 --> 00:22:02,587 Look at him, there's the            face right there.             543 00:22:02,621 --> 00:22:04,122 There's the face, that,          that's the face                  544 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,124  that I always told him            to have on.                    545 00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:07,492 The money shot.                  546 00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:12,130   I can close my eyes and see    him dressed like Raven.          547 00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:13,498  It was crazy.                   548 00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,767  I was young and naive.          549 00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:17,869 You know, me and my mom             are coming down the aisle.    550 00:22:17,936 --> 00:22:19,438  Raven's a bloody mess,          got barbed wire                  551 00:22:19,471 --> 00:22:20,706  in his hair or                    something like that.           552 00:22:20,772 --> 00:22:22,774    We just get in the front,       Raven says,                    553 00:22:22,808 --> 00:22:23,942    "Tyler, tell him."            554 00:22:23,975 --> 00:22:26,611    -Tyler, tell him!              -Daddy, you're drunk!           555 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:29,147   Now I worship Raven.           556 00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:31,683  I hit the line and you             could hear, like,             557 00:22:31,717 --> 00:22:34,353    a somberness, like             almost over the crowd.          558 00:22:34,386 --> 00:22:38,623    Like, "Ooh." Like,            like that hurt.                  559 00:22:38,657 --> 00:22:40,826 It wasn't like a cheer.           It wasn't like a boo.           560 00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:42,494   Like it was like...            561 00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:44,730    oh, shit.                       Like, damn.                    562 00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:48,467    "I worship Raven." And the    whole place was like...          563 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,402    [Gasping]                     564 00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:54,573  Quiet.                          565 00:22:54,639 --> 00:22:57,042    And you don't hear               that in the arena.            566 00:22:57,075 --> 00:22:58,577 These people ate it up.          567 00:22:58,643 --> 00:22:59,811   They were just like,             "Holy shit,                    568 00:22:59,845 --> 00:23:01,480  you just hurt                    The Sandman."                   569 00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:04,549 Like, Raven became the,             the heel's heel.              570 00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:07,819    You know, now you came in        and you stole his family.     571 00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:10,155  That shit put                   asses in seats.                  572 00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:11,757 [Crying]                         573 00:23:11,823 --> 00:23:13,925   Don't do this to me!           574 00:23:13,992 --> 00:23:15,494    Tyler is an amazing actor.    575 00:23:15,527 --> 00:23:17,729 Hey, you little bastard,          why don't you shut up?          576 00:23:17,763 --> 00:23:20,198    The Sandman's not               even your real dad.            577 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:22,000    [Gasping]                     578 00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:24,569 He never missed a cue.           He never missed a spot.          579 00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:26,738   -This sucks.                    -Shut up, kid.                  580 00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:29,107    We'd be gone doing             promos after the show,          581 00:23:29,174 --> 00:23:31,042  and I'd be drunk, and            I'd screw up a promo,           582 00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:32,511 or I'd forget to                    give him the line,            583 00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:34,279  and he would still hit          the line anyway                  584 00:23:34,346 --> 00:23:35,447    exactly in the right spot.    585 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:36,715 I mean,                          he was amazing.                  586 00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:38,183    Hey, kid.                     587 00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:40,552    You know the divorce was       your daddy's fault, don't ya?   588 00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:42,187 I know.                          589 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:44,389   I think I know now,             more,                           590 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,224    like looking back             on it, like...                   591 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,392   man, yeah,                     those guys were                  592 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,227  pretty fucking crazy,              you know? Like...             593 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:52,030    but at the time,              I was just being a kid.          594 00:23:52,063 --> 00:23:54,466    I don't even know if I was     prepared for it, and I'm like,  595 00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:57,569   "Oh, my God, this is really     happening." And I'm thinking,   596 00:23:57,602 --> 00:24:00,605   "This is gonna turn my life    upside down." You know?          597 00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:02,574    'Cause everything               had to be separate.            598 00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:05,477    Travel separate,                 show up separate,             599 00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:08,146 leave separate.                   It was crazy.                   600 00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:11,116   We'd be leaving the             arena, separate cars,           601 00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:12,784  and you have a                   meeting spot.                   602 00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:15,320 You pulled up to the gas           station and kinda look like,   603 00:24:15,387 --> 00:24:16,888 anybody with an                   ECW shirt on?                   604 00:24:16,922 --> 00:24:18,623 Like, alright, get out,           switch cars,                    605 00:24:18,657 --> 00:24:20,459    like get back in the car,        you know, stuff like that.    606 00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:22,994   You know, the marks,             they're always out,            607 00:24:23,061 --> 00:24:24,296  always looking for ya.          608 00:24:24,329 --> 00:24:27,165  They know exactly who            you are, where you go.          609 00:24:27,232 --> 00:24:30,769   And it's hard trying to keep     that whole storyline           610 00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:34,105 separate for as                  long as we did.                  611 00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,242   Me, my dad,                    my mom, Tyler...                 612 00:24:37,275 --> 00:24:38,910    we did this all together.     613 00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:40,412    They might've been               in the spotlight,             614 00:24:40,445 --> 00:24:42,147 but we did this                   all together.                   615 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,616 We're traveling to shows          constantly every week.          616 00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:47,018    You know,                      that was life.                  617 00:24:47,085 --> 00:24:49,087   Shit, there were times we'd      be driving around New York     618 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,922    and they would find this,        like, playground.             619 00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:52,624  It's like two o'clock           in the morning.                  620 00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:54,593 We were in like,                    bum fuck New York,            621 00:24:54,626 --> 00:24:56,595 and it was pouring rain,            and Raven saying,             622 00:24:56,628 --> 00:24:59,331    "This is like the              best weather to like,           623 00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:00,966  we gotta shoot                    this promo."                   624 00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:04,369  I am their salvation.           625 00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:08,173    And at the very end they        cut to me, and I just said-    626 00:25:08,206 --> 00:25:11,343 Quote the Raven,                    nevermore.                    627 00:25:11,376 --> 00:25:14,713    "Quote the Raven,               nevermore."                    628 00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:17,148    [Laughing]                    629 00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:18,550 I had one line, cut it,          630 00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:20,151   and I guess I got to              go back to sleep.             631 00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:23,522   [Laughing] You see,            I control the children.          632 00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:26,558    I just think they got away       with doing so much            633 00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:28,960   that other                        companies didn't.             634 00:25:28,994 --> 00:25:32,030   And they just really           pushed the line.                 635 00:25:32,063 --> 00:25:34,332    They pushed every              limit that they could.          636 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,968   This is just heartbreaking.    637 00:25:37,002 --> 00:25:39,971    I couldn't do it mentally      anymore and I didn't            638 00:25:40,005 --> 00:25:42,173   want my kids to be a             part of it anymore.            639 00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,844 It was too much.                 640 00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,380     The Sandman and Raven's          storyline proves to be       641 00:25:48,413 --> 00:25:50,549     a massive success for the        company.                     642 00:25:50,582 --> 00:25:53,518 But their attempt to take it to   the next level                  643 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:57,589 could end up bringing ECW down.  644 00:25:57,656 --> 00:25:59,591 The best way to describe            Raven is he's a martyr for    645 00:25:59,658 --> 00:26:01,993  society's dysfunction,           and he wants everyone           646 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,595    to feel his pain.             647 00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:05,263  So I came up with the              idea of putting Sandman up    648 00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:07,832   on a cross so he could feel     my pain. So I'm like,           649 00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:09,167 "I can't build a cross."         He goes,                         650 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,036   "I'll build it, idiot face."   651 00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:12,404    Dude, people don't             realize that,                   652 00:26:12,437 --> 00:26:13,772 that I used to                      build shit, dude.             653 00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:15,440    That's what I was.               I was, fuckin'...             654 00:26:15,507 --> 00:26:17,876 I was a roofer,                   I was a concrete dude,          655 00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:19,444    I was a carpenter.            656 00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:20,779  So...                              [chuckles]                    657 00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:22,747    he built his own cross and     we had a thorny crown,          658 00:26:22,781 --> 00:26:26,785    we had a barbed wire crown    to be the thorny crown.          659 00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:29,721  Oh yeah, we made sure we got     all the little touches on it.   660 00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:31,456   So we throw Sandman             out to the floor, me,           661 00:26:31,523 --> 00:26:33,024  Stevie and the                  Meanie and Nova,                 662 00:26:33,058 --> 00:26:35,560    and we start tying               him to the cross.             663 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:39,097    We start hoisting it up...    664 00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:42,367 and all of a sudden the          place goes, "Oh, shit."          665 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,570  Putting my dad                    on a cross.                    666 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,106 That's the, it's a holy            figure- [laughing]             667 00:26:48,139 --> 00:26:51,443 with barbed wire wrapped           around his head as if he is,   668 00:26:51,476 --> 00:26:55,947    you know, this embodiment        of Jesus Christ.              669 00:26:55,981 --> 00:26:58,617   I wasn't raised very             religious, clearly,            670 00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:01,586 but somebody's                   seeing that. I, I mean,          671 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:06,558    I was like, "What the fuck     is gonna happen now"?           672 00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:17,736   As the Sandman and Raven steal     the ECW spotlight,           673 00:27:17,769 --> 00:27:20,105   both are looking to shock the      audience                     674 00:27:20,138 --> 00:27:24,943    But neither man is prepared      for the backstage fallout.    675 00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:26,511 I'm on the cross                    and Stevie's like,            676 00:27:26,578 --> 00:27:28,446  "This is fucked up." I'm like,     "Shut the fuck up,            677 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,615   this is great, Stevie." And      then we get to the fucking,    678 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,183  fucking back,                   I'm like, "Damn,                 679 00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:34,119 that was fucking                  great, guys"!                   680 00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:36,421   And Paul E.'s like, "There's    so much heat on this."          681 00:27:36,454 --> 00:27:37,922 I'm like, "Why?"                 682 00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:39,524  And then everything was great      except fucking Kurt Angle     683 00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:41,092  happened to be in the fucking    building that night.            684 00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:43,495  You know, he's this Olympian,      it's his first time being     685 00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,330   around pro wrestling             and shit like that.            686 00:28:09,487 --> 00:28:11,856 Paul wants to get this             Olympic fucking champion to    687 00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:14,325    come work for fucking ECW,     you know what I mean?           688 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,994    So Paul's kissing his ass.    689 00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,463    So, they get fucking Raven      to go out and apol-            690 00:28:18,496 --> 00:28:20,298 I said,                             "That's fucking bullshit.     691 00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:21,966   I disagree.                      Fuck all you dudes."           692 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,535 And I just walked away.          693 00:28:23,568 --> 00:28:25,704  And so, for the people           who I deeply offended,          694 00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:27,839   I apologize.                   695 00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:29,307  Despite the controversy            surrounding                   696 00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:31,376  the crucifixtion angle.         697 00:28:31,409 --> 00:28:33,678   the scandal doesn't slow The     Sandman's momentum.            698 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,013  Dude,                             are you kidding me?            699 00:28:35,046 --> 00:28:38,249   Me and my man Scorp,             we have the Tag Team titles.   700 00:28:38,316 --> 00:28:42,487   I have the Heavyweight title      and he's got the TV title.    701 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,023  When you and your boy got all     the titles in the company,     702 00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,192   then you know you're            doing something right.          703 00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:50,261    Despite the accolades and      championships                   704 00:28:50,328 --> 00:28:53,698   life on the road and           ECW's hard hitting style         705 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:56,868 are taking a toll on The         Sandman's body.                  706 00:28:58,103 --> 00:28:59,370    Oh my God!                    707 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,442    What, are you kidding me?        I've broken like 27 bones.    708 00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:08,279  Yeah. Broken my neck,              this clavicle three times,    709 00:29:08,346 --> 00:29:11,015 I need a new hip, I need         two shoulder surgeries.          710 00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:13,184 Dude, Superplex                    off the top rope is            711 00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:15,053  a 30 mile an                    hour car crash.                  712 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,622    Imagine doing ten of them     every day of your life.          713 00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:21,059 Forget it. I got                   operated on,                   714 00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:23,461 this leg is operated on,          that morning.                   715 00:29:23,528 --> 00:29:26,464 They shaved my meniscus          and flew back to Philly.         716 00:29:26,531 --> 00:29:28,433   I came into the ring where,    I had crutches.                  717 00:29:28,466 --> 00:29:29,634  You know what                     I'm saying?                    718 00:29:29,701 --> 00:29:31,870   You love what you're            doing so much                   719 00:29:31,903 --> 00:29:35,306    that you just don't care.     720 00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:37,542 I actually was                   home one night,                  721 00:29:37,575 --> 00:29:40,378    and I got a call from Tod,      and he said,                   722 00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:42,781   "Hak's got a concussion and      he can't remember."            723 00:29:42,814 --> 00:29:44,482   And I was like, "Oh,              that's a good one.            724 00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:48,086    You guys just go have fun       and stop trying to goat me."   725 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,455 And he's like,                      "I'm not kidding.             726 00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:53,224  He got hit in the head and he     doesn't remember anything."    727 00:29:53,258 --> 00:29:57,896  He's like, "I'm dead serious."    So I had gone down,            728 00:29:57,929 --> 00:30:01,599 and sure enough,                   here he was.                   729 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,269   "Who won the match?            What did it look like?"          730 00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:06,271  I said, "I don't know.          I wasn't there."                 731 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:09,407   "Who won the match?"              It was relentless.            732 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,809   And then that was early on,    733 00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:13,812  and there is countless             times after that.             734 00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:16,247  I was like, "You can't          keep doing this.                 735 00:30:16,281 --> 00:30:20,785   You're not gonna be able to       do things with the kids."     736 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,153   You know...                    737 00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:25,423 they just wanna keep on            going, that's all they know.   738 00:30:25,456 --> 00:30:27,091  You get hurt,                    you get hurt.                   739 00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:31,196    So be it.                       Suck it the fuck up.           740 00:30:31,262 --> 00:30:33,264   He would never take a pill.    741 00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:35,667   And then it just got           to a point where                 742 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,802   you get in this pain and...    743 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:40,438   well, okay, couple.            744 00:30:40,471 --> 00:30:43,441   Leads to a couple more, and      your body gets used to it,     745 00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:46,377  and a couple more...               and then you're drinking.     746 00:30:46,444 --> 00:30:49,814    And then you gotta go to        bed so you're taking Xanax,    747 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,884 and then you gotta be up         so you're doing cocaine.         748 00:30:52,951 --> 00:30:55,320  It's a vicious cycle.           749 00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:59,490 And once you get on it,             it's very hard to get off.    750 00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:01,693   You know, I, I knew              what was going on.             751 00:31:01,726 --> 00:31:03,828   I knew what he kept              in his fanny pack.             752 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,363   What am I gonna say?              I'm a kid.                    753 00:31:05,396 --> 00:31:06,898  I don't know.                    I'm 12, 13 years old.           754 00:31:06,965 --> 00:31:09,634 Like, I don't know what             a Xanax is, or, you know,     755 00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:11,469  a perk or... whatever.          756 00:31:11,502 --> 00:31:14,372    At the time, like,             pain medicine.                  757 00:31:14,405 --> 00:31:16,241    That's all I know,               and if, you know,             758 00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:18,309 I gotta trust him. "Yes,         to help my back,                 759 00:31:18,343 --> 00:31:20,211   help my neck, help."              You know?                     760 00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,013   Alright. You gotta              do what you gotta do.           761 00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,883    You work 300 nights a year    getting body slammed and         762 00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:26,751 you tell me what                  you would do.                   763 00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:29,053    You know, as time               went on, of course,            764 00:31:29,087 --> 00:31:31,189    they have the barbed wire,      the chairs,                    765 00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:33,491 the light bulbs,                    the tacks.                    766 00:31:33,524 --> 00:31:37,562   So, a couple Perks,             some Somas...                   767 00:31:37,595 --> 00:31:40,331 and it just progressed.          768 00:31:40,365 --> 00:31:43,167    I used to joke back then,        if you pass a piss test,      769 00:31:43,201 --> 00:31:44,502  you can't work for us.          770 00:31:44,535 --> 00:31:47,038 We all got high, we all             partied, it's what we did.    771 00:31:47,071 --> 00:31:49,540   I remember my first             bag of pills I found.           772 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,342  I knew exactly                    what it was.                   773 00:31:51,376 --> 00:31:53,378 I remember my first bag           of coke that I found.           774 00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,046   First line of coke I found.    775 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,182    The older and older I got,      he was taking drugs,           776 00:31:58,216 --> 00:32:01,085   you know, just going             down the wrong path.           777 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,022  We used to go, on one             month every Friday,            778 00:32:04,055 --> 00:32:05,690 we'd have three doctors           that we would                   779 00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:07,392 go see in Philadelphia.          780 00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:12,730   All three doctors would give      us 90 OxyContin eighties.     781 00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:16,968  So, you're getting 270            OxyContin eighties,            782 00:32:17,035 --> 00:32:20,405  you're getting                   300 Percocets,                  783 00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:23,608    you're getting 300 Somas.     784 00:32:23,641 --> 00:32:25,410   And everybody would              come out, we would call it,    785 00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:26,911   oh, we would                    get our booty.                  786 00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:28,579 There was a lot                   of drugs that                   787 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:29,981 went around the                  dressing room.                   788 00:32:30,048 --> 00:32:32,283  I remember one time I            had a friend that had           789 00:32:32,317 --> 00:32:34,152 brought me some                    mushrooms, and I was           790 00:32:34,218 --> 00:32:37,388    looking forward to trying      them after my match.            791 00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:41,559  I came for them later            and my bag was empty,           792 00:32:41,592 --> 00:32:44,095  and I was like, "Man,            who ate my mushrooms"?          793 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,831  And Sandman was like,           "Oh, were those yours"?          794 00:32:46,898 --> 00:32:50,168    [Laughing] He ate             the whole bag.                   795 00:32:50,234 --> 00:32:53,137   He should be dead.             Sandman should be dead.          796 00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:56,441   Raven, Sandman and I             was driving in a car           797 00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:58,242 we were going 200 miles.         798 00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:00,812   Raven had got hurt              like the week before.           799 00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:03,114    He had a ruptured             disc taken out,                  800 00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:07,919  so they gave him this              highly addictive narcotic.    801 00:33:07,952 --> 00:33:10,421   So we have to stop at a gas    station so I can go to           802 00:33:10,455 --> 00:33:12,023   the bathroom and so            I can shoot up,                  803 00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:13,758 'cause I gotta                   get my dose in.                  804 00:33:13,791 --> 00:33:15,460 I had never shot                 anything before,                 805 00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,262  but I've seen TV shows            and shit like that.            806 00:33:18,296 --> 00:33:19,630 I'm like, "Dude,                   what are you doing"?           807 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,265 He's like, "I'm shooting         an 80." He goes,                 808 00:33:21,299 --> 00:33:22,333   "It's really good."               I'm like,                     809 00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:24,335  "Well, damn,                    I want to try. I'm in"!          810 00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:26,204    You know,                      'cause I'm a druggie.           811 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:28,106   So, I go to shoot a              whole 80, he goes,             812 00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:30,041  "Dude, do not                      shoot a whole 80.             813 00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:32,176    You do not want."                I'm like, "I snort five of    814 00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:34,112   these things a day,              I can shoot an 80."            815 00:33:34,145 --> 00:33:36,014   So he shoots up the               same amount too,              816 00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:40,051 and we get back in the              SUV and we start driving.     817 00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:43,321   Sandman starts going           like- [Snorting]                 818 00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:44,722 He can't breathe right.          819 00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:47,125    I said, "Raven, Sandman is       having trouble breathing."    820 00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:48,793  He said, "Oh,                      he'll be alright."            821 00:33:48,826 --> 00:33:50,695 About 5 minutes                   later I said,                   822 00:33:50,728 --> 00:33:53,031  "Hey, daddy, his lips             are turning blue."             823 00:33:53,064 --> 00:33:54,399 And we're like, "What"?          824 00:33:54,465 --> 00:33:56,234 He's like, "His lips are          turning blue."                  825 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,703 We're like, "Holy shit,           he's OD'ing."                   826 00:33:58,736 --> 00:34:01,239  Now we got a problem.             He's dying.                    827 00:34:07,645 --> 00:34:10,648   The Sandman's reckless nature   and persistent drug use         828 00:34:10,681 --> 00:34:13,818 have landed him on the brink of   death.                          829 00:34:13,851 --> 00:34:15,820 Thank God they stopped,             they called the ambulance,    830 00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:18,990 the ambulance came, the          adrenaline shot, needle.         831 00:34:19,023 --> 00:34:21,359    ♪                             832 00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:23,394 They take me to                   the hospital.                   833 00:34:23,428 --> 00:34:25,396    I wake up at like               four in the morning.           834 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,365    I ripped the shit             out of my arms,                  835 00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:28,733   grabbed my shit out               of the hospital,              836 00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:30,935   fucking went into the hotel,     fell asleep, got up,           837 00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:32,703 and went to the show the            next day and shot             838 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,939 an OxyContin 80                   and loved it.                   839 00:34:35,006 --> 00:34:36,274    I liked it so much            I'm like, "Dude,                 840 00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:38,709 I can't do this again.             I'll end up fucking really,    841 00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:42,613  actually being dead."             Never did it again.            842 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,285 I found bills in my mail          that show that he was           843 00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:50,421    resuscitated from               shooting up and flatlining,    844 00:34:50,455 --> 00:34:52,690  and he never told me.           845 00:34:52,723 --> 00:34:54,058  I wasn't telling her.           846 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:56,527   Oh yeah, hon, I OD'd fucking    on the road last week.          847 00:34:56,561 --> 00:34:58,062   Almost died.                   848 00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,730   Yeah, I'm not coming             home with that story           849 00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,033  fucking Sunday                     afternoon.                    850 00:35:02,066 --> 00:35:05,036   As The Sandman struggles with     his personal issues           851 00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:08,439    ECW experiences a decline as   their top stars                 852 00:35:08,473 --> 00:35:11,275 leave for bigger, more           mainstream promotions.           853 00:35:11,309 --> 00:35:13,077 Towards the end of ECW,          854 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,482 WCW and WWF was                    picking our talent.            855 00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:19,951   They would leave us               and go to WWF so,             856 00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:23,654 Sandman got one of those         offers to go to WCW and          857 00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:27,225    make five times the money      he was making in ECW,           858 00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:28,459   so why wouldn't he?            859 00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:30,595    And all the guys                up there were huge.            860 00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:32,163    Big monster guys.             861 00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:34,232 And Sandman was                  a big, tall kid,                 862 00:35:34,265 --> 00:35:36,400    but not big muscle bound.     863 00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,768    But he wanted to get big.     864 00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,237    But he, remember,               he didn't work out,            865 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,605 he didn't go to                  the gym at all.                  866 00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:43,508    So, he ordered all               kind of steroids.             867 00:35:43,574 --> 00:35:45,009  We called it the gas.           868 00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:47,278    So that's the six months        that I was doing the juice,    869 00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:49,514    the steroids and                the growth hormone.            870 00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:51,282 And the only reason why           I did it was because            871 00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,850   I was going to WCW,            872 00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:55,620  and that was the land           of the freaking giants.          873 00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:59,357    What was funny about when     Sandman went to WCW was          874 00:35:59,423 --> 00:36:02,360 he got jacked, like for           the first time ever.            875 00:36:02,426 --> 00:36:04,829    [Cheering]                    876 00:36:04,862 --> 00:36:08,633   Course we had access to the    best gas on the planet           877 00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,468    from Germany or whatever,     878 00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:12,870   the latest shit that            makes you big.                  879 00:36:12,937 --> 00:36:16,040 So he was on it, and it           affects your thought,           880 00:36:16,107 --> 00:36:17,942  it makes you                    mean sometimes.                  881 00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,978   It has a, an effect              on your personality.           882 00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,147  It turned my dad into           883 00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:26,450   an abusive,                      harmful individual.            884 00:36:26,484 --> 00:36:30,288  And my mom turned into          this almost subservient,         885 00:36:30,321 --> 00:36:33,524 meek woman for                   a little while.                  886 00:36:33,558 --> 00:36:35,393    Breaking point for               me was the abuse.             887 00:36:37,562 --> 00:36:39,797   Mm-hm, yeah.                   888 00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:41,699 My hair pulled.                  889 00:36:41,732 --> 00:36:43,901    I had a pillow put             over my face.                   890 00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:48,539   Not just physically abused,       but mental abuse.             891 00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:52,376    "You're stupid," you know,    a bunch of that.                 892 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,045    And sometimes the                mental stuff was              893 00:36:54,078 --> 00:36:57,548    harder than the physical.     894 00:36:57,582 --> 00:37:00,751  We were at his house,            and we're at the table          895 00:37:00,818 --> 00:37:02,587    and he's being a                 dick to his wife,             896 00:37:02,653 --> 00:37:05,756 and he poured a                     beer on her head.             897 00:37:05,823 --> 00:37:08,059 He wouldn't have done it            unless he was off             898 00:37:08,092 --> 00:37:10,361  and gassed up                     and drunk.                     899 00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:12,763 So, Sandman just                 got a shipment,                  900 00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:17,368 $10,000 shipment                 of steroids and                  901 00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:19,670 Peaches went in                     the refrigerator,             902 00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:23,174    and she fucking dumped it        all out in the front lawn,    903 00:37:23,207 --> 00:37:24,875   and he says, "Do you           realize you just                 904 00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:27,111  dumped $10,000                  worth the shit?"                 905 00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:28,679  And she said, "I don't           give a fuck, Sandman.           906 00:37:28,713 --> 00:37:31,115   You're acting like a             dick on this shit."            907 00:37:31,182 --> 00:37:32,450  I don't care.                   908 00:37:32,516 --> 00:37:34,719   You know, 'cause it            made him angry.                  909 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:39,123 Like he was just angry.          910 00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,958   It hurt. As much as              I loved him                    911 00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:42,927    I hated his guts,                you know?                     912 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,362    Because it was difficult.     913 00:37:44,395 --> 00:37:45,796    It was extremely              difficult to see my mom          914 00:37:45,863 --> 00:37:48,032    go through what she had to      go through and like,           915 00:37:48,065 --> 00:37:49,900 you love us so much how          could you treat somebody         916 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,302   you love like that?            917 00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:53,037  He's your parent, and           you know it's not right,         918 00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:54,972  but you don't                      know how to help.             919 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,874   You know, you don't               know what to do.              920 00:37:56,907 --> 00:38:00,211   It got harder and harder to,   you know, trust him and,         921 00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:01,812    you know, want to             be around him.                   922 00:38:01,879 --> 00:38:04,248  I put fucking                      Lori through hell.            923 00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:06,450    Now I understand,              like her perspective,           924 00:38:06,484 --> 00:38:08,386  you know what I mean?             And it was all me.             925 00:38:08,419 --> 00:38:10,621 If I could have                     my shit together,             926 00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,757  then maybe me and her           would still be together.         927 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:14,392    Who knows.                    928 00:38:14,425 --> 00:38:19,497   All I can say is I               stayed in too long,            929 00:38:19,563 --> 00:38:24,735    and there's always               help to...                    930 00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:28,172    guide you to where            you need to be.                  931 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,809    My mom...                     took her a while, but...         932 00:38:31,842 --> 00:38:35,012   she made a decision.           933 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,249   And she decided that this is     not how she wants to           934 00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:41,619  live her life anymore,           she's got three kids.           935 00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:44,789   It was all my fault,            and I know it.                  936 00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:46,657  Dude, she was                    like an angel.                  937 00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:48,759   I was like the devil             reincarnated                   938 00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:51,796   for a little while.            Maybe for a long while.          939 00:38:59,937 --> 00:39:03,607     In 2001, ECW closes its doos  and two years later             940 00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:07,211    its assets are sold to Vince    McMahon's WWE.                 941 00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:10,848 Giving The Sandman one last shot in the spotlight                 942 00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:12,216    as the brand is re-launched.  943 00:39:12,283 --> 00:39:14,518    What's that smell?            944 00:39:14,552 --> 00:39:17,388 Sandman's character was           kind of watered down,           945 00:39:17,455 --> 00:39:20,057  you know, no cigarette             smoking, no beer.             946 00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:21,959   Drinking on the job?           947 00:39:21,992 --> 00:39:24,362  What the hell is this?          948 00:39:24,395 --> 00:39:26,897   Society had changed,           and so he wasn't                 949 00:39:26,964 --> 00:39:28,666 used as well as                     he could've been.             950 00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,468   The zombie!                    951 00:39:30,501 --> 00:39:31,702  That's not the                  ECW that I know,                 952 00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:33,804   that's not the ECW               that the fans know.            953 00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:36,674  A lot of the original              ECW fans                      954 00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:41,379  want to forget                  about that time.                 955 00:39:41,412 --> 00:39:43,848     Sandman's time in                the WWE is brief,            956 00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:46,217    and un-remarkable.            957 00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:48,152 And though his wrestling career     is largely over,              958 00:39:48,185 --> 00:39:50,755    his trouble with addiction       continue.                     959 00:39:51,088 --> 00:39:52,590   I got a phone call.            960 00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:55,393 "Dad just got arrested,           he's going to jail."            961 00:39:55,426 --> 00:39:58,896   Like I was at work.             I'm like, "For what?"           962 00:39:58,929 --> 00:40:01,265  So, me and my brother              packed our shit,              963 00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:02,833  drove up to New York.           964 00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:05,369    How am I going to              find a freakin lawyer?          965 00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:06,904  I don't even                       know what he did.             966 00:40:06,937 --> 00:40:09,240   Like, I'm in                      Yonkers, New York.            967 00:40:09,273 --> 00:40:11,242 I'd watched him wrestle            for how many years?            968 00:40:11,275 --> 00:40:12,510   He walked into this             courtroom looking like          969 00:40:12,543 --> 00:40:14,378    he just got put through a        washing machine.              970 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,247   He, like, physically             looked hurt.                   971 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,616   And I was just like,           "What happened?"                 972 00:40:18,682 --> 00:40:22,019    30 Long Island iced teas,      that's what happened.           973 00:40:22,052 --> 00:40:24,288   [Slurring] Alright,               everybody here's thinking,    974 00:40:24,355 --> 00:40:26,891 "You know what?                     This guy's drunk."            975 00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:29,560  You're right!                   976 00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:31,228 Got in a fight                   with the owner.                  977 00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:33,464   So, he threw a bottle at me,     hit me in the head.            978 00:40:33,531 --> 00:40:35,599  I chased him                       into the kitchen,             979 00:40:35,633 --> 00:40:37,568 broke a bunch of                   shit in the kitchen,           980 00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:41,138    then the SWAT team             came and took me away.          981 00:40:41,205 --> 00:40:43,040   Basically had to go through       the court system.             982 00:40:43,073 --> 00:40:45,309    They finally set his bail.    983 00:40:45,376 --> 00:40:47,411   So I remember calling this       bank and I'm like, "Listen,    984 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:51,081    I need you to authorize a       $10,000 from ATMs."            985 00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:52,950  And she's like, "Well,           there's only gonna be           986 00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:55,820   like a $2000                    limit per each ATM and          987 00:40:55,886 --> 00:40:57,221   that's just                    the ATM itself."                 988 00:40:57,254 --> 00:40:59,223 Like you're only allowed         to take so much.                 989 00:40:59,256 --> 00:41:02,226   So here I am bouncing around   'til I got to ten grand.         990 00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:05,496   So I would be on the phone       with them at an ATM 'cause,    991 00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:07,331 you know, you see these            kids getting money             992 00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:09,733 out of an ATM,                    they're gonna rob ya.           993 00:41:09,767 --> 00:41:11,635  And finally we're able             to give them bail             994 00:41:11,669 --> 00:41:12,970   about like,                     three, four...                  995 00:41:13,003 --> 00:41:14,305   something in                     the morning.                   996 00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:16,774 I remember walking into            this, like, huge...            997 00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:20,644 prison and like,                  giving them this money          998 00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:22,680    and like,                        out comes my dad.             999 00:41:22,746 --> 00:41:24,915 And I was like, "Get the         fuck in the fucking car          1000 00:41:24,949 --> 00:41:27,284    we're fucking going home.        I can't fucking believe."     1001 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:31,021   And like, of course,              of course.                    1002 00:41:31,088 --> 00:41:33,691  Like, this is my life.          1003 00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:35,426  No kid should                   have to do that.                 1004 00:41:35,459 --> 00:41:38,329    It was your life.              You lived it.                   1005 00:41:38,362 --> 00:41:41,999   You just, you don't know how     horrible it is until later.    1006 00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:45,302   Or how horrible you             might have made it for          1007 00:41:45,336 --> 00:41:47,671  other people that you,           that you love.                  1008 00:41:47,705 --> 00:41:50,474    ♪                             1009 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,278 Deep down, he realizes           he's done a lot of bad,          1010 00:41:54,311 --> 00:41:58,182   and that maybe this              is his redemption?             1011 00:41:58,215 --> 00:42:02,987   I would like for him             to accept what was,            1012 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:07,558   accept what he has,             and move on from here.          1013 00:42:07,625 --> 00:42:11,362    But I think it's gonna be      kind of cleansing for           1014 00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:14,698    all of us,                     and hopefully himself,          1015 00:42:14,732 --> 00:42:19,670  to just... let it go.           1016 00:42:19,703 --> 00:42:22,373   I don't know. I'm an             idiot, I, dude, I...           1017 00:42:22,406 --> 00:42:25,543    I've been so self             -sabotaging in my life.          1018 00:42:25,576 --> 00:42:29,980  It's like, there's been a lot    of just, personal destruction.  1019 00:42:30,014 --> 00:42:32,516   And now it hits me a little     bit different because           1020 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,220 I'm older and you think            about that stupid shit that    1021 00:42:36,253 --> 00:42:38,389 you've done that kind of           changes everything,            1022 00:42:38,422 --> 00:42:39,757  you know what I mean?           1023 00:42:39,823 --> 00:42:42,226 So, there's a different            perspective in my head now.    1024 00:42:42,259 --> 00:42:44,595  I want him to realize,             no matter how bad             1025 00:42:44,662 --> 00:42:46,997  things were at times,           1026 00:42:47,031 --> 00:42:49,900 including family life,             that where he came from and    1027 00:42:49,934 --> 00:42:52,570  what he did was a lot              of hard work and,             1028 00:42:52,603 --> 00:42:54,104    you know,                     accomplishment.                  1029 00:42:54,171 --> 00:42:56,941  Was a perfect by any              stretch of the imagination?    1030 00:42:57,007 --> 00:42:58,776 No. He's made a                  lot of mistakes,                 1031 00:42:58,842 --> 00:43:00,210   and he'll be the one             to tell you.                   1032 00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:03,280   But, he's self-made               and it's okay to-             1033 00:43:03,347 --> 00:43:04,915   [Chuckling]                     it's okay to say that.          1034 00:43:04,949 --> 00:43:06,517    He lived his life's dream.    1035 00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:08,719  There always has to be            an end for everyone.           1036 00:43:08,752 --> 00:43:11,221    There always has to be an     end to what you can do.          1037 00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:12,590   And you've done it.            1038 00:43:12,623 --> 00:43:14,725    A lot of people can't say     that they've done that.          1039 00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:17,962   He can still be The Sandman,   he still is The Sandman.         1040 00:43:18,028 --> 00:43:19,530    There will never                be another Sandman.            1041 00:43:19,563 --> 00:43:22,066    I, I really just wish that    he would understand that         1042 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:23,601 what happened happened,          1043 00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:27,404   and he can                      move forward.                   1044 00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:30,641   Sandman is an icon.            1045 00:43:30,708 --> 00:43:32,409 Poster boy for hardcore.         1046 00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:35,913    People loved The Sandman.     1047 00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:38,282 I am the hardcore icon.          1048 00:43:38,315 --> 00:43:41,251    I mean, who else is gonna      drink beer, smoke cigarettes,   1049 00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:44,588   swing a cane, wear             sweatpants to the ring,          1050 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,657    t-shirt,                       and get over?                   1051 00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:52,429   The first person to               do a lot of shit.             1052 00:43:52,463 --> 00:43:54,732   You know, the first person       to bleed before he got into    1053 00:43:54,765 --> 00:43:57,468    the ring, the first person       to come out of the crowd.     1054 00:43:57,501 --> 00:43:59,303  You know what I mean?             Smoke a cigarette.             1055 00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:02,806    I am the king of extreme!     1056 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,642    [Cheering]                    1057 00:44:04,675 --> 00:44:06,777 Smoking, drinking, yeah!         1058 00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:09,179  Cool.                           1059 00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:11,582    No wonder why I'm fucking     fucked up in the head.           130585

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