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Weighing in
at 274 pounds...
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The Sandman!
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[narrator]
In the 1990s,
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Extreme Championship
Wrestling was meaner,
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more aggressive, and
bloodier than anything
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audiences
had seen before,
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as the demands of the
company's rabid fanbase led to
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a dangerous escalation
of in-ring violence.
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What is this?
These guys are crazy.
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It felt so personal.
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Daddy, you're drunk.
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And I think that's why the
fans were so involved with it.
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People didn't know if
it was scripted or not.
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And the more popular it got,
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the more they had to
top the last show.
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An escalation embodied
by The Sandman.
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The Sandman!
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You know, got his jeans on,
his t-shirt on,
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his kendo stick, smoking a
cigarette, drinking a beer.
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Fan's like, "I could
be this guy."
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You might think it is,
because all you see is
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a beer drinking, cigarette
smoking, scumbag.
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Sandman's character was as
organic as it could get.
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God, I love ECW.
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There's not a whole lot of
difference between
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James Fullington
and The Sandman.
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What can I do that
somebody hasn't done?
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I can make myself bleed
before I get into the ring?
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Nobody else
has done that.
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Though a hardcore icon
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countless injuries and a
lawless locker room
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create no shortage of
controversies,
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leaving The Sandman
with a brutal and
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complicated legacy.
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Somebody has got to
stop The Sandman.
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Why fuck with what's
going on in the back?
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As soon as the coke ends,
or the pot ends,
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there was, you know,
painkillers.
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We all did alcohol,
drugs, pills that
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you could
possibly think of.
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I don't know if he remembers
even half of the stuff
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that has ever happened.
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I told my family, said, "Tell
them the fucking worst.
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People need to know this."
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[Chanting]
ECW! ECW!
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He should've been
dead a long time ago.
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[Bell chiming continues]
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Yeah...
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Alright, so my
music's playing.
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Maybe some days
it's 30 seconds,
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some days it's a
minute and a half...
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but at the one point,
it's like, alright,
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everybody should be clapping
your hands at this point.
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So when I come in,
I don't want
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everybody to see me
at one time.
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I want, like, some people to
see me and they'll be like,
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"Oh, shit,
he's over there"!
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And then it works its
way around the building,
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and it might take ten,
fifteen seconds 'til
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everybody actually figures
out you're over here.
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[Cheering]
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And then at that
point I got 'em
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and it's time
to pop a beer.
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Back in the day, dude,
I would drink, like,
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six beers on the
way to the ring.
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I'd smash 'em
against my head.
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I'd be bloody before I
even get into the ring.
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I mean, that's
his personality.
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He's drinking beer,
spitting it out.
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He's pouring beer
down your throat.
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[Cheering]
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You feel like you're
part of it, and you are.
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If you got a
'Sandman' shirt on,
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you're definitely getting a
beer poured down your throat.
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You know what
I'm saying?
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It's the best part
of the show...
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unless you're wrestling.
If you're wrestling it sucks
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'cause you gotta wait for
him to get to the ring.
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But if you're watching,
it's great.
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You know, 'cause you give
the fans what they want.
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He's one of them,
you know?
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It's a great entrance.
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With those pants, and
put the durag on,
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it's like the equivalent of
like getting up and putting a
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hat on and, you know, going
and doing your errands.
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Except this guy was putting
this shit on and going out
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and entertaining hundreds
of thousands of people.
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At this point I'm having as
much fun as they're having,
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you know what I mean,
because...
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this is
what I want to do.
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This is what, what I worked
my whole life to be in this
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fucking moment right, right now,
you know what I mean?
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I want that moment to
last forever, you know?
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I want to live
in that moment.
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It's a party. You know,
his entrance is a party.
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And, you know, once
that's over, then, you know,
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you gotta see him wrestle.
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Oh!
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Oh my God!
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Yo, I'm The Sandman.
What the fuck up?
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Yeah, dude.
My parents call me Hak,
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my kids call me Hak,
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my granddaughter
calls me Poppy Hak.
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I've had that name since
I was five years old,
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my older brother
gave it to me.
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Ah, dude, it was like
Saturday afternoon.
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I watched WW...WF at
one o'clock on Saturdays.
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Down goes Conrad!
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Dude, that's all I
ever wanted to be
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was a professional wrestler.
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And the bloodied Sandman
thrown through that table.
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I was all coked up
and I was drunk and...
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I burglarize the house, which
is basically the only, like,
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real like, "crime" crime
that I ever did.
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And my first day in jail, I
punched a guard in the face.
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I got in a fight with a
guy over the television.
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I was watching something,
and he went to change it
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and then we got in a fight.
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Two guards were,
had to break it up.
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He ducked, I punched
a guard in the face.
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Broke his glasses.
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I was lucky I didn't get
charged with assault
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on a guard. That could have
been a couple of years,
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you know what I mean?
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But I ended up literally
going to the hole
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for six months.
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I'm glad it happened
because, you know,
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it's throwing a
rock in a pond.
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If that ripple's not there,
maybe this ripple's not here.
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It's just the stupid shit
I walk into in my life.
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♪
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I get out of jail,
it's like '84.
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And like, this new
club opens up.
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[Chattering]
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And dude, the place
holds 2,000 people.
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It's like five storeys high.
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It's like the
greatest thing ever.
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So, Thursday nights was ten
bucks all you could drink.
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So I'm out there,
I'm on the dance floor.
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Some blonde comes up and
starts dancing with me,
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grabs me by my hand,
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and started walking me
across dance floor.
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I'm like, "Alright.
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Where am I gonna go have
sex with this chick?
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Where is-" 'Cause that's
exactly what I'm thinking.
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We end up going
up these stairs.
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We're in this little frickin'
office, and I'm like,
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"Well, how am I gonna do
this in this little office"?
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She goes,
"Take your shirt off."
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I'm thinking how am I
gonna screw her?
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She goes, "Listen,
I'm a producer-director
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for the Chippendales.
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I want you to be a
Chippendales."
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I was one of those
guys who wore the
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black pants, tight pants,
the cuffs and the collar,
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and I just entertain
the women.
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Because I don't leave the
club until two o'clock
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in the morning, you know.
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You're snorting coke with
the boys who's down
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in the locker room, because
that's just what you did
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back in them days.
You know what I mean?
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And then I go out to
the after-hours club,
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and then I go to the club
that opened up at 6 AM.
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It's just crazy, man.
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And that was my job for
the next year or so,
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until I got fired
for soliciting.
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Soliciting.
And I got...
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because they weren't
paying a lot of money.
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I had like four guys
in on it with me.
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So, it was 100 bucks
to do us,
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there was the Alpine Inn down
the street, that was 42.50.
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So of course, 100 for us,
42.50 for the Alpine Inn
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for however long it took.
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And that lasted for about six
months, until... I don't know,
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just one day there's a
couple of state troopers,
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they're like, "Listen, we
could file some charges,
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or you could quit
and tell us who,
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who your boys are."
I said,
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"Well, I'm not telling
you who my boys are.
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That's your job to
figure that out.
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But, I'll quit."
So I was done.
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He was not the type that I
would've saw myself
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going for, really.
He was very...
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I don't know if you
want to say flamboyant,
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but something
drew me to him.
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And believe it or not, that
night we sat and talked,
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and he was just like,
"I think I could love you."
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-Hey, I work quick.
-[Laughing]
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Dude, that's kinda
how I've been with...
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it's like I meet 'em
and then, like, I'm in.
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I ended up actually,
a few months later,
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finding out I
was pregnant.
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And he said he'd like to get
married before the child
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was born so he wasn't
born out of wedlock.
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Miss Peaches!
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[Cheering]
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My name is
Lori Stolecki, a.k.a.
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'Peaches' from ECW,
and Sandman's ex-wife.
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He was in construction
at the time,
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and Joel Goodhart opened
up a wrestling school.
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I had to go check it out,
and then next thing you know,
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dude, like, three days later,
I gave the guy, like,
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3,500 bucks.
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Three months later
I was in the ring.
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It's not gonna be pretty.
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There's gonna be blood,
there's gonna be
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broken bones, and
it's me and you.
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When I first signed,
it was probably 1991.
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He was a surfer.
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He had white stuff on his
nose, he wore a wetsuit,
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and he carried a surfboard.
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From South Beach,
California...
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this is The Sandman!
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My name's Sabu.
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I've been wrestling
over 30 years,
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and I participated in ECW.
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Oh my God!
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I, I remember him.
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And he came out with
Peaches, his wife.
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I met up with the promoter,
and he goes, "I got your name.
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You're gonna be
'Mr. Sandman'."
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And he looks at my wife,
then he goes,
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"You're gonna be 'Peaches'."
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Peaches!
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He used to wear this
god awful wetsuit
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that smelled horrible.
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I'm Kelly, and The
Sandman is my dad.
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And he would come out
with my mom, Miss Peaches,
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and he would come out with
his stupid surfboard.
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That was his very
first gimmick.
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You know, it started
out doing, like,
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little gymnasiums, and,
like, car dealerships...
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but it was, like, just a
fresh new company.
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It was, like,
everybody was just
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getting their bearings,
you know?
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We're feeling it out.
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But, he was
consistent with it.
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It was like his life's dream.
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It's my pleasure being
here with all you people,
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'cause if it wasn't for you,
I wouldn't have this belt!
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Irish Whip!
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The gimmick was bad,
his ability was not.
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I mean, he's big,
he was good looking,
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very bright, very athletic.
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Oh!
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My name is Tod Gordon.
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I'm the creator and
the founder of
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Extreme Championship
Wrestling.
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Oh, thank heaven. Here's our
commissioner, here's Tod.
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Sandman and I have been best
friends since we first met
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30 years ago, when I
started my own company,
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which was Eastern
Championship Wrestling
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at the time,
which became
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Extreme Championship
Wrestling.
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He was on my first
grouping of people to use.
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I've had that belt,
I've been there before,
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and I'll be there again.
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Sandman now on top of thing.
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Philadelphia's Eastern
Championship Wrestling
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was a struggling
indie promotion,
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until the arrival of
Paul Heyman,
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who transforms
the company into
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Extreme Championship
Wrestling,
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Look at him!
Fuck him!
265
00:10:24,056 --> 00:10:26,325
Paul Heyman was the
right guy because
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he is great mind
for the business.
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How to be a rule
breaker 101.
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Dude, he is the
greatest mind ever in,
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in the history of
professional wrestling.
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Creatively, nobody could
touch Paul Heyman and
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come anywhere
close to that dude.
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And I would not be sitting
here right now if it wasn't
273
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for Paul Heyman giving me
the ball and letting me run.
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First night,
I go in there,
275
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fucking he sees me
with the surfboard.
276
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He goes, "That's getting broken
over your head tonight."
277
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And then the next
thing you know,
278
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I forgot my wrestling boots.
279
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I'm like, "Paul, sorry dude,
I forgot my wrestling boots."
280
00:11:02,261 --> 00:11:05,464
He goes, "I don't give
a fuck." And I'm like...
281
00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:09,135
I don't have to wear
wrestling shoes no more.
282
00:11:09,168 --> 00:11:13,773
Dude, it was a fucking light
bulb going off in my head.
283
00:11:13,806 --> 00:11:17,109
When Paul Heyman says,
"I don't give a fuck if
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you're wearing wrestling
boots." I'm like, boom,
285
00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:23,282
I'm not even gonna change.
I'm gonna wear the clothes...
286
00:11:23,315 --> 00:11:26,519
I'm gonna, I'm gonna show
up to the arena, and dude,
287
00:11:26,552 --> 00:11:28,220
I'm gonna be me.
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00:11:28,287 --> 00:11:31,157
I'm just gonna fucking
be me out there.
289
00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:32,324
And it got to that- It was
at that point I'm like,
290
00:11:32,358 --> 00:11:33,893
you're never
gonna be able to
291
00:11:33,959 --> 00:11:35,528
walk through
this curtain again.
292
00:11:35,561 --> 00:11:38,164
Like, you, you literally
cannot enter the ring
293
00:11:38,197 --> 00:11:41,033
like a normal
wrestler ever again,
294
00:11:41,067 --> 00:11:42,802
because this is what's
expected of you.
295
00:11:50,376 --> 00:11:54,647
He will be more hardcore than
the next Traci Lords video.
296
00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,749
And as for me,
Paul E. Dangerously,
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00:11:56,816 --> 00:11:58,718
haven't had a
shave in a couple of weeks
298
00:11:58,751 --> 00:12:03,055
and don't look like I
really care anymore!
299
00:12:03,089 --> 00:12:05,224
Upon Paul Heyman's arrival,
300
00:12:05,257 --> 00:12:07,660
The Sandman drops
his surfer look,
301
00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:10,596
changing with the times
to re-invent himself
302
00:12:10,663 --> 00:12:12,531
with a whole new persona.
303
00:12:12,665 --> 00:12:14,166
I was always
trying to figure,
304
00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,102
what hasn't
somebody done?
305
00:12:16,168 --> 00:12:19,205
Well, the good time's over,
here comes The Sandman.
306
00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:21,574
I'm the guy that's in the bar,
loses a game of pool,
307
00:12:21,607 --> 00:12:23,676
and wants to get
into a fight with ya.
308
00:12:23,709 --> 00:12:25,711
That was me in
my life, dude.
309
00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:28,080
That was my regular
Friday and Saturday night.
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00:12:28,114 --> 00:12:29,915
You know what I mean?
Like, I was a gimmick...
311
00:12:29,949 --> 00:12:33,552
by, by myself,
born as a gimmick.
312
00:12:33,586 --> 00:12:35,521
We got to be ourselves in
the dressing room and
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ourselves in the ring.
314
00:12:37,022 --> 00:12:38,357
The beauty of
Paul's intelligence,
315
00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:40,559
is he makes you
figure it out.
316
00:12:40,593 --> 00:12:44,096
By trial and error, that's
how he became The Sandman.
317
00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:45,464
Hey, daddy.
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00:12:45,531 --> 00:12:47,967
My name is
Bill 'Fonzie' Alfonso,
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00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:52,071
and I am a 40 year
plus veteran of
320
00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:53,372
sports entertainment.
321
00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:55,941
This is a winner!
He's a winner!
322
00:12:55,975 --> 00:12:57,777
Fuck you, asshole!
323
00:12:57,810 --> 00:13:00,246
He would put things together
in his head that
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00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,649
he thought would work in
ECW, and they did.
325
00:13:03,716 --> 00:13:05,651
Life's a bitch...
326
00:13:07,753 --> 00:13:09,922
and then you marry one.
327
00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:11,957
He's a typical Philly guy.
328
00:13:11,991 --> 00:13:14,059
Like, you go to a bar,
you get in a brawl,
329
00:13:14,093 --> 00:13:15,461
you know,
here's the dude.
330
00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:17,329
He was a relatable
character.
331
00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:21,433
People could kind of identify
with that South Philly vibe.
332
00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:24,470
He was your buddy who would
come off the couch and just
333
00:13:24,503 --> 00:13:28,140
step into the ring, and swing
a cane and drink a beer.
334
00:13:28,174 --> 00:13:30,176
My name is Raven,
professional wrestling
335
00:13:30,242 --> 00:13:33,078
superstar, but you
already know that.
336
00:13:33,112 --> 00:13:35,247
For the first time ever,
337
00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:39,618
Raven goes one on one
with The Sandman.
338
00:13:39,652 --> 00:13:42,421
You know, every fan says,
"Oh, I would get in the ring."
339
00:13:42,454 --> 00:13:44,990
Sandman with the
guillotine leg drop.
340
00:13:45,024 --> 00:13:47,092
But he's the guy that
actually goes and does it.
341
00:13:47,126 --> 00:13:49,361
Part of being a good worker
is knowing how to get your
342
00:13:49,428 --> 00:13:51,931
character over and how to
keep the character over.
343
00:13:51,964 --> 00:13:55,534
And he's done that for,
you know, 35 years now.
344
00:13:58,537 --> 00:14:01,040
Well, yeah! And like,
coming through the crowd.
345
00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:03,609
I think I came through
the crowd because,
346
00:14:03,642 --> 00:14:05,778
me and Missy were coming
through the crowd.
347
00:14:05,811 --> 00:14:10,983
[Laughing] Dude.
Me and Missy.
348
00:14:11,016 --> 00:14:16,155
[Laughing] We're in
fucking Queens,
349
00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:18,791
and there is
this strip club.
350
00:14:18,824 --> 00:14:21,627
Me and Missy are over in the
strip club and my music's
351
00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:23,796
playing, it's already
played once this whole time.
352
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:26,498
So, I wasn't going, fucking
up through the back,
353
00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:27,700
into in there.
354
00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:30,336
I just went through
the front fucking door.
355
00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:32,238
Boom! Light bulb.
356
00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:34,240
Nobody's come through
the crowd before.
357
00:14:34,306 --> 00:14:36,709
Just drinking his beer,
walking through the audience.
358
00:14:36,742 --> 00:14:39,345
Meanwhile, he's drunk off
his ass by then, geez.
359
00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,547
Then he's drinking five
on the way to the ring.
360
00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:43,849
We trusted him because
361
00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,552
we knew he was
able to do it.
362
00:14:46,585 --> 00:14:49,555
My name is RVD.
That stands for...
363
00:14:49,588 --> 00:14:52,658
Rob! Van! Dam!
364
00:14:52,691 --> 00:14:55,060
[Cheering]
365
00:14:55,094 --> 00:14:58,330
You know, he proved himself
that he was able to
366
00:14:58,364 --> 00:15:00,366
wrestle when
he was drunk.
367
00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:01,901
Watching him, I would get
nervous with his
368
00:15:01,934 --> 00:15:04,436
freaking ass, climbing up on
the top rope and I'm like,
369
00:15:04,503 --> 00:15:06,772
"Is he really gonna
attempt this
370
00:15:06,839 --> 00:15:08,574
aerial maneuver
right now"?
371
00:15:08,607 --> 00:15:10,676
Oh!
372
00:15:10,709 --> 00:15:12,544
I know I can
trust him drunk.
373
00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:14,079
Anybody drunk? No.
374
00:15:14,113 --> 00:15:16,248
Sandman, yes.
Anybody else?
375
00:15:16,282 --> 00:15:18,417
I wouldn't allow it either.
But Sandman...
376
00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:19,852
you're not drunk?
377
00:15:19,885 --> 00:15:21,253
I'm not wrestling you.
[Laughing]
378
00:15:24,023 --> 00:15:25,591
So, it's a Sunday.
379
00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:26,892
Paul's like,
"Let's go outside."
380
00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,794
And we're standing next
to this fucking tree.
381
00:15:28,861 --> 00:15:30,896
Paul goes, "You know
that kid overseas that
382
00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,065
got caught spray
painting the car"?
383
00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:34,733
I'm like, "Yeah, kid,
Michael Fay." He goes,
384
00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,435
"Good, you know what
I'm talking about."
385
00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:39,071
Singapore had sentenced an
18 year old American
386
00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:41,473
to six strokes with
a bamboo cane.
387
00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:42,875
And I said, "Yeah."
388
00:15:42,908 --> 00:15:44,443
Dude, you ever see that
fucking cane that they use?
389
00:15:44,476 --> 00:15:46,578
Every shot they hit you
with it makes you bleed.
390
00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:48,948
He goes, "You're gonna start
carrying a Singapore cane
391
00:15:48,981 --> 00:15:52,151
to the ring." I'm like, "Paul,
okay, what am I gonna use"?
392
00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:54,586
He goes...
393
00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,956
rips a branch off
the fucking tree,
394
00:15:56,989 --> 00:15:59,158
rips all the little other
branches off it, says,
395
00:15:59,224 --> 00:16:00,592
"Get some tape,
wrap it around there.
396
00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:02,094
That's gonna be
your Singapore cane.
397
00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:03,662
I want you to cut
a promo with it."
398
00:16:03,729 --> 00:16:07,166
The first ever
Singapore Caning Match.
399
00:16:07,232 --> 00:16:12,237
May 14th
Saturday night ECW!
400
00:16:12,271 --> 00:16:16,241
And now it's The Sandman
caning Iron Man Tommy Cairo.
401
00:16:16,275 --> 00:16:18,577
-[Smacking]
-Did you hear that?
402
00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:21,113
And then the, the angle with
Dreamer, just. [Whistling]
403
00:16:22,414 --> 00:16:24,583
It went to ten lashes.
404
00:16:24,616 --> 00:16:26,085
I can't look!
405
00:16:26,118 --> 00:16:27,619
Ah!
406
00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:29,321
It skyrocketed both
of our careers.
407
00:16:29,355 --> 00:16:32,091
He got his ass kicked,
but he took it like a man.
408
00:16:32,124 --> 00:16:33,826
And Philly loves that.
409
00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:37,529
Thank you, sir.
May I have another!
410
00:16:37,596 --> 00:16:39,798
And The Sandman takes
an eleventh shot!
411
00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:42,267
It's hardcore
because it's real.
412
00:16:42,301 --> 00:16:44,937
And to me you're pulling
something out of the inside
413
00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:47,973
of somebody that they're
feeling somehow
414
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:49,375
what you're doing
in the ring.
415
00:16:49,441 --> 00:16:52,277
Hardcore isn't violence
to do violence.
416
00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:55,280
To me, like, the hardcore
is violence for a reason.
417
00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:57,149
And then it just
means more people,
418
00:16:57,182 --> 00:16:58,484
and you can see it
in their faces.
419
00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:00,319
You can see how they react.
420
00:17:00,352 --> 00:17:02,221
Sandman wasn't a wrestler.
421
00:17:02,287 --> 00:17:04,356
He was a entertainer.
422
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:06,358
That cigarette hit our
cameraman right in the eye.
423
00:17:06,392 --> 00:17:08,227
That's what ECW was about.
424
00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:09,661
Wrestling is entertainment.
425
00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:11,964
You don't have to do a
wristlock, a wristwatch,
426
00:17:11,997 --> 00:17:13,532
a moonsault to
get over it.
427
00:17:13,565 --> 00:17:15,467
It doesn't have
to be wrestling.
428
00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:20,706
I'm getting ready to take you
to a new level of extreme!
429
00:17:20,739 --> 00:17:22,241
Ah!
430
00:17:22,307 --> 00:17:24,810
He got better and better and
knew how to play The Sandman,
431
00:17:24,843 --> 00:17:27,146
and he was just
acting this part out.
432
00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:28,814
Everybody was kind
of riding that high.
433
00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:30,849
Everyone was like, "Man,
like, they made it."
434
00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:33,385
We're in this very
concentrated community and
435
00:17:33,419 --> 00:17:35,854
everybody knew
who he was.
436
00:17:35,888 --> 00:17:38,824
He dropped me off at school
and he's got gash marks
437
00:17:38,857 --> 00:17:40,826
on his head from like
the beer cans.
438
00:17:40,859 --> 00:17:42,694
And my teacher's
like, "The fuck...
439
00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:44,229
Tyler, you alright?"
440
00:17:44,263 --> 00:17:47,833
I'm Tyler Fullington, and
The Sandman is my father.
441
00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:50,169
Every time he was home,
you know,
442
00:17:50,202 --> 00:17:51,737
he made sure to spend time
with us because
443
00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:54,239
he knew he would be on
the road, you know,
444
00:17:54,273 --> 00:17:55,674
a lot, and be away.
445
00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:58,077
And he wanted to make
sure that his kids were
446
00:17:58,110 --> 00:17:59,511
having his time
when he was home.
447
00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:00,879
You know,
hurting or not.
448
00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,281
He would just
roll out of bed,
449
00:18:02,347 --> 00:18:04,917
throw pants on and like,
let's roll.
450
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:07,252
Literally, he would say,
"Let's roll"!
451
00:18:07,286 --> 00:18:10,722
The older and older I got I
felt, this is cool and all,
452
00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:15,794
but times I'd rather
just have my dad around.
453
00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:20,065
Sandman's schedule becomes even
more punishing
454
00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:22,201
as ECW explodes in popularity
455
00:18:22,234 --> 00:18:25,437
by constantly pushing their own
limits.
456
00:18:27,573 --> 00:18:31,210
Paul's show is
aimed at adults.
457
00:18:31,243 --> 00:18:33,479
The Sandman exposes
his ex-wife!
458
00:18:33,545 --> 00:18:36,882
And so storylines
were adult.
459
00:18:36,915 --> 00:18:39,151
The Sandman's got
a hold of his wife!
460
00:18:39,218 --> 00:18:41,286
He just, he just
pulled up her...
461
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,255
and woman is
lashing Peaches!
462
00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:44,623
Just thought like,
this is like the
463
00:18:44,656 --> 00:18:47,059
furthest thing
from pro wrestling.
464
00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:50,262
But Paul would
guide us the way
465
00:18:50,295 --> 00:18:52,898
the ECW energy
needed to be.
466
00:18:52,931 --> 00:18:55,601
Well, I had Nancy with me,
too, so that helps.
467
00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,336
Why thank you,
Sandman.
468
00:18:57,402 --> 00:18:59,104
And that's just
the beginning.
469
00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,173
I've been known to
enhance a few careers.
470
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,509
She was so smart.
I would be like,
471
00:19:03,575 --> 00:19:04,910
"Yeah, I want to do it
this way." She goes,
472
00:19:04,943 --> 00:19:06,278
"No, we're not
doing it that way.
473
00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:08,480
We're doing it this way."
I'm like, "Alright."
474
00:19:08,514 --> 00:19:11,984
-Woman!
-[Cheering]
475
00:19:12,017 --> 00:19:15,754
And so if something
happens outside of the
476
00:19:15,787 --> 00:19:17,856
wrestling world,
they're gonna go with it,
477
00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:19,925
and the fans are gonna
know about it anyway
478
00:19:19,958 --> 00:19:22,427
because they were all,
what we called
479
00:19:22,461 --> 00:19:25,197
'the smart fans'
or 'the smarks.'
480
00:19:25,264 --> 00:19:27,866
I walk into the building
and Paul Heyman goes to me,
481
00:19:27,933 --> 00:19:31,170
"I've been talking to
Macaulay Culkin.
482
00:19:31,203 --> 00:19:32,604
This is what we're gonna do.
483
00:19:32,638 --> 00:19:34,439
We're gonna bring him in
as your kid." And I'm like,
484
00:19:34,473 --> 00:19:36,208
"Dude, I have a
Macaulay Culkin sitting
485
00:19:36,275 --> 00:19:37,843
right out in my van."
He goes, "Great!
486
00:19:37,876 --> 00:19:39,645
We'll use Tyler."
487
00:19:39,678 --> 00:19:41,513
That's just one
of Paul's lies.
488
00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:43,448
Had no connection to
Macaulay Culkin at all.
489
00:19:44,449 --> 00:19:46,852
Yeah.
490
00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:48,187
Of course they do.
491
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,155
He could sell you snowballs
in winter, trust me.
492
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,690
Yeah, I was about
six years old.
493
00:19:51,723 --> 00:19:54,193
My mom,
dad came up to me.
494
00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:56,195
"How would you like to be,
like, part of the show, or..."?
495
00:19:56,228 --> 00:19:58,830
I'm like,
"Uh, I guess"?
496
00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:00,065
You know,
what am I gonna do?
497
00:20:00,132 --> 00:20:02,167
I just remember he takes
my wife, and then he,
498
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:05,070
and then he takes my kid, and
then we're off to the races.
499
00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:15,547
The Sandman'swife Lauri has long
been an ECW fixture
500
00:20:15,581 --> 00:20:17,149
as part of her husband's
storylines.
501
00:20:17,182 --> 00:20:20,819
And now takes center stage in
his latest feud with Raven
502
00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:23,088
You took my child.
503
00:20:23,155 --> 00:20:27,993
Tonight, I'm gonna take you,
Raven, to the extreme.
504
00:20:28,026 --> 00:20:30,395
However, the idea of bringing
his son Tyler into the mix
505
00:20:30,429 --> 00:20:31,830
was something the
wrestling world
506
00:20:31,863 --> 00:20:33,899
hasn't seen and
wouldn't expect.
507
00:20:33,932 --> 00:20:35,234
Oh dear Lord...
508
00:20:35,267 --> 00:20:38,337
I don't even know
how it all began.
509
00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:42,341
Inside this woman's body,
began the constant
510
00:20:42,374 --> 00:20:45,777
evolution of the
Sandman's successor.
511
00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:48,547
Sandman and my feud,
I would say,
512
00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,016
is one of the greatest
feuds in the history of the
513
00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:53,585
business, but I'm partial
'cause I was in the feud.
514
00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:55,454
But I really think that.
515
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,056
Everybody knows somebody
who has a marriage that
516
00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,926
got ended in divorce where
the child is used as
517
00:21:00,959 --> 00:21:03,862
a prop to gain
concessions.
518
00:21:03,895 --> 00:21:07,966
All the abuse, the suffering,
the emotional alienation that
519
00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:11,036
I took as a child is
now being inflicted
520
00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:13,238
upon your son,
Sandman.
521
00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:14,806
And it's the most
lowdown, dirty,
522
00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,575
and cruel thing
you can do.
523
00:21:16,608 --> 00:21:18,277
So I'm like, "Oh,
this is great."
524
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:20,612
The main crux of it was that
Raven and Sandman had been
525
00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:23,215
feuding and they wanted
to take it the next level.
526
00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:26,218
So Raven, quote unquote,
stole Sandman's wife.
527
00:21:26,251 --> 00:21:28,287
I've already pimped
her out to
528
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,489
the whole locker
room before.
529
00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:32,090
But then he stole
Sandman's son Tyler,
530
00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,059
which was really
controversial because
531
00:21:34,092 --> 00:21:36,962
we had a kid who's like
five years old in the ring.
532
00:21:36,995 --> 00:21:39,464
Next thing you know,
here we are.
533
00:21:39,498 --> 00:21:42,267
He's got a little
flannel shirt on and...
534
00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:44,603
and they just coached him
in the back a little bit
535
00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:47,439
just what to say.
And, you know...
536
00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:49,808
Don't you dare fucking
smile out there.
537
00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:51,443
Nothing.
538
00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:54,112
I don't want any reaction
from you on anything.
539
00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:56,615
This is where your face is.
540
00:21:56,648 --> 00:21:58,450
What do you think
about that, kid?
541
00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,819
That's your face and
that's the way you stay.
542
00:22:00,852 --> 00:22:02,587
Look at him, there's the
face right there.
543
00:22:02,621 --> 00:22:04,122
There's the face, that,
that's the face
544
00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,124
that I always told him
to have on.
545
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:07,492
The money shot.
546
00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:12,130
I can close my eyes and see
him dressed like Raven.
547
00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:13,498
It was crazy.
548
00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,767
I was young and naive.
549
00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:17,869
You know, me and my mom
are coming down the aisle.
550
00:22:17,936 --> 00:22:19,438
Raven's a bloody mess,
got barbed wire
551
00:22:19,471 --> 00:22:20,706
in his hair or
something like that.
552
00:22:20,772 --> 00:22:22,774
We just get in the front,
Raven says,
553
00:22:22,808 --> 00:22:23,942
"Tyler, tell him."
554
00:22:23,975 --> 00:22:26,611
-Tyler, tell him!
-Daddy, you're drunk!
555
00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:29,147
Now I worship Raven.
556
00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:31,683
I hit the line and you
could hear, like,
557
00:22:31,717 --> 00:22:34,353
a somberness, like
almost over the crowd.
558
00:22:34,386 --> 00:22:38,623
Like, "Ooh." Like,
like that hurt.
559
00:22:38,657 --> 00:22:40,826
It wasn't like a cheer.
It wasn't like a boo.
560
00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:42,494
Like it was like...
561
00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:44,730
oh, shit.
Like, damn.
562
00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:48,467
"I worship Raven." And the
whole place was like...
563
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,402
[Gasping]
564
00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:54,573
Quiet.
565
00:22:54,639 --> 00:22:57,042
And you don't hear
that in the arena.
566
00:22:57,075 --> 00:22:58,577
These people ate it up.
567
00:22:58,643 --> 00:22:59,811
They were just like,
"Holy shit,
568
00:22:59,845 --> 00:23:01,480
you just hurt
The Sandman."
569
00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:04,549
Like, Raven became the,
the heel's heel.
570
00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:07,819
You know, now you came in
and you stole his family.
571
00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:10,155
That shit put
asses in seats.
572
00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:11,757
[Crying]
573
00:23:11,823 --> 00:23:13,925
Don't do this to me!
574
00:23:13,992 --> 00:23:15,494
Tyler is an amazing actor.
575
00:23:15,527 --> 00:23:17,729
Hey, you little bastard,
why don't you shut up?
576
00:23:17,763 --> 00:23:20,198
The Sandman's not
even your real dad.
577
00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:22,000
[Gasping]
578
00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:24,569
He never missed a cue.
He never missed a spot.
579
00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:26,738
-This sucks.
-Shut up, kid.
580
00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:29,107
We'd be gone doing
promos after the show,
581
00:23:29,174 --> 00:23:31,042
and I'd be drunk, and
I'd screw up a promo,
582
00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:32,511
or I'd forget to
give him the line,
583
00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:34,279
and he would still hit
the line anyway
584
00:23:34,346 --> 00:23:35,447
exactly in the right spot.
585
00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:36,715
I mean,
he was amazing.
586
00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:38,183
Hey, kid.
587
00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:40,552
You know the divorce was
your daddy's fault, don't ya?
588
00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:42,187
I know.
589
00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:44,389
I think I know now,
more,
590
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,224
like looking back
on it, like...
591
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,392
man, yeah,
those guys were
592
00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,227
pretty fucking crazy,
you know? Like...
593
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:52,030
but at the time,
I was just being a kid.
594
00:23:52,063 --> 00:23:54,466
I don't even know if I was
prepared for it, and I'm like,
595
00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:57,569
"Oh, my God, this is really
happening." And I'm thinking,
596
00:23:57,602 --> 00:24:00,605
"This is gonna turn my life
upside down." You know?
597
00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:02,574
'Cause everything
had to be separate.
598
00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:05,477
Travel separate,
show up separate,
599
00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:08,146
leave separate.
It was crazy.
600
00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:11,116
We'd be leaving the
arena, separate cars,
601
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:12,784
and you have a
meeting spot.
602
00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:15,320
You pulled up to the gas
station and kinda look like,
603
00:24:15,387 --> 00:24:16,888
anybody with an
ECW shirt on?
604
00:24:16,922 --> 00:24:18,623
Like, alright, get out,
switch cars,
605
00:24:18,657 --> 00:24:20,459
like get back in the car,
you know, stuff like that.
606
00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:22,994
You know, the marks,
they're always out,
607
00:24:23,061 --> 00:24:24,296
always looking for ya.
608
00:24:24,329 --> 00:24:27,165
They know exactly who
you are, where you go.
609
00:24:27,232 --> 00:24:30,769
And it's hard trying to keep
that whole storyline
610
00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:34,105
separate for as
long as we did.
611
00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,242
Me, my dad,
my mom, Tyler...
612
00:24:37,275 --> 00:24:38,910
we did this all together.
613
00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:40,412
They might've been
in the spotlight,
614
00:24:40,445 --> 00:24:42,147
but we did this
all together.
615
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,616
We're traveling to shows
constantly every week.
616
00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:47,018
You know,
that was life.
617
00:24:47,085 --> 00:24:49,087
Shit, there were times we'd
be driving around New York
618
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,922
and they would find this,
like, playground.
619
00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:52,624
It's like two o'clock
in the morning.
620
00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:54,593
We were in like,
bum fuck New York,
621
00:24:54,626 --> 00:24:56,595
and it was pouring rain,
and Raven saying,
622
00:24:56,628 --> 00:24:59,331
"This is like the
best weather to like,
623
00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:00,966
we gotta shoot
this promo."
624
00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:04,369
I am their salvation.
625
00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:08,173
And at the very end they
cut to me, and I just said-
626
00:25:08,206 --> 00:25:11,343
Quote the Raven,
nevermore.
627
00:25:11,376 --> 00:25:14,713
"Quote the Raven,
nevermore."
628
00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:17,148
[Laughing]
629
00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:18,550
I had one line, cut it,
630
00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:20,151
and I guess I got to
go back to sleep.
631
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:23,522
[Laughing] You see,
I control the children.
632
00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:26,558
I just think they got away
with doing so much
633
00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:28,960
that other
companies didn't.
634
00:25:28,994 --> 00:25:32,030
And they just really
pushed the line.
635
00:25:32,063 --> 00:25:34,332
They pushed every
limit that they could.
636
00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,968
This is just heartbreaking.
637
00:25:37,002 --> 00:25:39,971
I couldn't do it mentally
anymore and I didn't
638
00:25:40,005 --> 00:25:42,173
want my kids to be a
part of it anymore.
639
00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,844
It was too much.
640
00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,380
The Sandman and Raven's
storyline proves to be
641
00:25:48,413 --> 00:25:50,549
a massive success for the
company.
642
00:25:50,582 --> 00:25:53,518
But their attempt to take it to
the next level
643
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:57,589
could end up bringing ECW down.
644
00:25:57,656 --> 00:25:59,591
The best way to describe
Raven is he's a martyr for
645
00:25:59,658 --> 00:26:01,993
society's dysfunction,
and he wants everyone
646
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,595
to feel his pain.
647
00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:05,263
So I came up with the
idea of putting Sandman up
648
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:07,832
on a cross so he could feel
my pain. So I'm like,
649
00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:09,167
"I can't build a cross."
He goes,
650
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,036
"I'll build it, idiot face."
651
00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:12,404
Dude, people don't
realize that,
652
00:26:12,437 --> 00:26:13,772
that I used to
build shit, dude.
653
00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:15,440
That's what I was.
I was, fuckin'...
654
00:26:15,507 --> 00:26:17,876
I was a roofer,
I was a concrete dude,
655
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:19,444
I was a carpenter.
656
00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:20,779
So...
[chuckles]
657
00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:22,747
he built his own cross and
we had a thorny crown,
658
00:26:22,781 --> 00:26:26,785
we had a barbed wire crown
to be the thorny crown.
659
00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:29,721
Oh yeah, we made sure we got
all the little touches on it.
660
00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:31,456
So we throw Sandman
out to the floor, me,
661
00:26:31,523 --> 00:26:33,024
Stevie and the
Meanie and Nova,
662
00:26:33,058 --> 00:26:35,560
and we start tying
him to the cross.
663
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:39,097
We start hoisting it up...
664
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:42,367
and all of a sudden the
place goes, "Oh, shit."
665
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,570
Putting my dad
on a cross.
666
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,106
That's the, it's a holy
figure- [laughing]
667
00:26:48,139 --> 00:26:51,443
with barbed wire wrapped
around his head as if he is,
668
00:26:51,476 --> 00:26:55,947
you know, this embodiment
of Jesus Christ.
669
00:26:55,981 --> 00:26:58,617
I wasn't raised very
religious, clearly,
670
00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:01,586
but somebody's
seeing that. I, I mean,
671
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:06,558
I was like, "What the fuck
is gonna happen now"?
672
00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:17,736
As the Sandman and Raven steal
the ECW spotlight,
673
00:27:17,769 --> 00:27:20,105
both are looking to shock the
audience
674
00:27:20,138 --> 00:27:24,943
But neither man is prepared
for the backstage fallout.
675
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:26,511
I'm on the cross
and Stevie's like,
676
00:27:26,578 --> 00:27:28,446
"This is fucked up." I'm like,
"Shut the fuck up,
677
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,615
this is great, Stevie." And
then we get to the fucking,
678
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,183
fucking back,
I'm like, "Damn,
679
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:34,119
that was fucking
great, guys"!
680
00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:36,421
And Paul E.'s like, "There's
so much heat on this."
681
00:27:36,454 --> 00:27:37,922
I'm like, "Why?"
682
00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:39,524
And then everything was great
except fucking Kurt Angle
683
00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:41,092
happened to be in the fucking
building that night.
684
00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:43,495
You know, he's this Olympian,
it's his first time being
685
00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,330
around pro wrestling
and shit like that.
686
00:28:09,487 --> 00:28:11,856
Paul wants to get this
Olympic fucking champion to
687
00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:14,325
come work for fucking ECW,
you know what I mean?
688
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,994
So Paul's kissing his ass.
689
00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,463
So, they get fucking Raven
to go out and apol-
690
00:28:18,496 --> 00:28:20,298
I said,
"That's fucking bullshit.
691
00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:21,966
I disagree.
Fuck all you dudes."
692
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,535
And I just walked away.
693
00:28:23,568 --> 00:28:25,704
And so, for the people
who I deeply offended,
694
00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:27,839
I apologize.
695
00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:29,307
Despite the controversy
surrounding
696
00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:31,376
the crucifixtion angle.
697
00:28:31,409 --> 00:28:33,678
the scandal doesn't slow The
Sandman's momentum.
698
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,013
Dude,
are you kidding me?
699
00:28:35,046 --> 00:28:38,249
Me and my man Scorp,
we have the Tag Team titles.
700
00:28:38,316 --> 00:28:42,487
I have the Heavyweight title
and he's got the TV title.
701
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,023
When you and your boy got all
the titles in the company,
702
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,192
then you know you're
doing something right.
703
00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:50,261
Despite the accolades and
championships
704
00:28:50,328 --> 00:28:53,698
life on the road and
ECW's hard hitting style
705
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:56,868
are taking a toll on The
Sandman's body.
706
00:28:58,103 --> 00:28:59,370
Oh my God!
707
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,442
What, are you kidding me?
I've broken like 27 bones.
708
00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:08,279
Yeah. Broken my neck,
this clavicle three times,
709
00:29:08,346 --> 00:29:11,015
I need a new hip, I need
two shoulder surgeries.
710
00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:13,184
Dude, Superplex
off the top rope is
711
00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:15,053
a 30 mile an
hour car crash.
712
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,622
Imagine doing ten of them
every day of your life.
713
00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:21,059
Forget it. I got
operated on,
714
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:23,461
this leg is operated on,
that morning.
715
00:29:23,528 --> 00:29:26,464
They shaved my meniscus
and flew back to Philly.
716
00:29:26,531 --> 00:29:28,433
I came into the ring where,
I had crutches.
717
00:29:28,466 --> 00:29:29,634
You know what
I'm saying?
718
00:29:29,701 --> 00:29:31,870
You love what you're
doing so much
719
00:29:31,903 --> 00:29:35,306
that you just don't care.
720
00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:37,542
I actually was
home one night,
721
00:29:37,575 --> 00:29:40,378
and I got a call from Tod,
and he said,
722
00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:42,781
"Hak's got a concussion and
he can't remember."
723
00:29:42,814 --> 00:29:44,482
And I was like, "Oh,
that's a good one.
724
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:48,086
You guys just go have fun
and stop trying to goat me."
725
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,455
And he's like,
"I'm not kidding.
726
00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:53,224
He got hit in the head and he
doesn't remember anything."
727
00:29:53,258 --> 00:29:57,896
He's like, "I'm dead serious."
So I had gone down,
728
00:29:57,929 --> 00:30:01,599
and sure enough,
here he was.
729
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,269
"Who won the match?
What did it look like?"
730
00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:06,271
I said, "I don't know.
I wasn't there."
731
00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:09,407
"Who won the match?"
It was relentless.
732
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,809
And then that was early on,
733
00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:13,812
and there is countless
times after that.
734
00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:16,247
I was like, "You can't
keep doing this.
735
00:30:16,281 --> 00:30:20,785
You're not gonna be able to
do things with the kids."
736
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,153
You know...
737
00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:25,423
they just wanna keep on
going, that's all they know.
738
00:30:25,456 --> 00:30:27,091
You get hurt,
you get hurt.
739
00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:31,196
So be it.
Suck it the fuck up.
740
00:30:31,262 --> 00:30:33,264
He would never take a pill.
741
00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:35,667
And then it just got
to a point where
742
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,802
you get in this pain and...
743
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:40,438
well, okay, couple.
744
00:30:40,471 --> 00:30:43,441
Leads to a couple more, and
your body gets used to it,
745
00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:46,377
and a couple more...
and then you're drinking.
746
00:30:46,444 --> 00:30:49,814
And then you gotta go to
bed so you're taking Xanax,
747
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,884
and then you gotta be up
so you're doing cocaine.
748
00:30:52,951 --> 00:30:55,320
It's a vicious cycle.
749
00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:59,490
And once you get on it,
it's very hard to get off.
750
00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:01,693
You know, I, I knew
what was going on.
751
00:31:01,726 --> 00:31:03,828
I knew what he kept
in his fanny pack.
752
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,363
What am I gonna say?
I'm a kid.
753
00:31:05,396 --> 00:31:06,898
I don't know.
I'm 12, 13 years old.
754
00:31:06,965 --> 00:31:09,634
Like, I don't know what
a Xanax is, or, you know,
755
00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:11,469
a perk or... whatever.
756
00:31:11,502 --> 00:31:14,372
At the time, like,
pain medicine.
757
00:31:14,405 --> 00:31:16,241
That's all I know,
and if, you know,
758
00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:18,309
I gotta trust him. "Yes,
to help my back,
759
00:31:18,343 --> 00:31:20,211
help my neck, help."
You know?
760
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,013
Alright. You gotta
do what you gotta do.
761
00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,883
You work 300 nights a year
getting body slammed and
762
00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:26,751
you tell me what
you would do.
763
00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:29,053
You know, as time
went on, of course,
764
00:31:29,087 --> 00:31:31,189
they have the barbed wire,
the chairs,
765
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:33,491
the light bulbs,
the tacks.
766
00:31:33,524 --> 00:31:37,562
So, a couple Perks,
some Somas...
767
00:31:37,595 --> 00:31:40,331
and it just progressed.
768
00:31:40,365 --> 00:31:43,167
I used to joke back then,
if you pass a piss test,
769
00:31:43,201 --> 00:31:44,502
you can't work for us.
770
00:31:44,535 --> 00:31:47,038
We all got high, we all
partied, it's what we did.
771
00:31:47,071 --> 00:31:49,540
I remember my first
bag of pills I found.
772
00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,342
I knew exactly
what it was.
773
00:31:51,376 --> 00:31:53,378
I remember my first bag
of coke that I found.
774
00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,046
First line of coke I found.
775
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,182
The older and older I got,
he was taking drugs,
776
00:31:58,216 --> 00:32:01,085
you know, just going
down the wrong path.
777
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,022
We used to go, on one
month every Friday,
778
00:32:04,055 --> 00:32:05,690
we'd have three doctors
that we would
779
00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:07,392
go see in Philadelphia.
780
00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:12,730
All three doctors would give
us 90 OxyContin eighties.
781
00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:16,968
So, you're getting 270
OxyContin eighties,
782
00:32:17,035 --> 00:32:20,405
you're getting
300 Percocets,
783
00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:23,608
you're getting 300 Somas.
784
00:32:23,641 --> 00:32:25,410
And everybody would
come out, we would call it,
785
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:26,911
oh, we would
get our booty.
786
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:28,579
There was a lot
of drugs that
787
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:29,981
went around the
dressing room.
788
00:32:30,048 --> 00:32:32,283
I remember one time I
had a friend that had
789
00:32:32,317 --> 00:32:34,152
brought me some
mushrooms, and I was
790
00:32:34,218 --> 00:32:37,388
looking forward to trying
them after my match.
791
00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:41,559
I came for them later
and my bag was empty,
792
00:32:41,592 --> 00:32:44,095
and I was like, "Man,
who ate my mushrooms"?
793
00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,831
And Sandman was like,
"Oh, were those yours"?
794
00:32:46,898 --> 00:32:50,168
[Laughing] He ate
the whole bag.
795
00:32:50,234 --> 00:32:53,137
He should be dead.
Sandman should be dead.
796
00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:56,441
Raven, Sandman and I
was driving in a car
797
00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:58,242
we were going 200 miles.
798
00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:00,812
Raven had got hurt
like the week before.
799
00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:03,114
He had a ruptured
disc taken out,
800
00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:07,919
so they gave him this
highly addictive narcotic.
801
00:33:07,952 --> 00:33:10,421
So we have to stop at a gas
station so I can go to
802
00:33:10,455 --> 00:33:12,023
the bathroom and so
I can shoot up,
803
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:13,758
'cause I gotta
get my dose in.
804
00:33:13,791 --> 00:33:15,460
I had never shot
anything before,
805
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,262
but I've seen TV shows
and shit like that.
806
00:33:18,296 --> 00:33:19,630
I'm like, "Dude,
what are you doing"?
807
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,265
He's like, "I'm shooting
an 80." He goes,
808
00:33:21,299 --> 00:33:22,333
"It's really good."
I'm like,
809
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:24,335
"Well, damn,
I want to try. I'm in"!
810
00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:26,204
You know,
'cause I'm a druggie.
811
00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:28,106
So, I go to shoot a
whole 80, he goes,
812
00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:30,041
"Dude, do not
shoot a whole 80.
813
00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:32,176
You do not want."
I'm like, "I snort five of
814
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:34,112
these things a day,
I can shoot an 80."
815
00:33:34,145 --> 00:33:36,014
So he shoots up the
same amount too,
816
00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:40,051
and we get back in the
SUV and we start driving.
817
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:43,321
Sandman starts going
like- [Snorting]
818
00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:44,722
He can't breathe right.
819
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:47,125
I said, "Raven, Sandman is
having trouble breathing."
820
00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:48,793
He said, "Oh,
he'll be alright."
821
00:33:48,826 --> 00:33:50,695
About 5 minutes
later I said,
822
00:33:50,728 --> 00:33:53,031
"Hey, daddy, his lips
are turning blue."
823
00:33:53,064 --> 00:33:54,399
And we're like, "What"?
824
00:33:54,465 --> 00:33:56,234
He's like, "His lips are
turning blue."
825
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,703
We're like, "Holy shit,
he's OD'ing."
826
00:33:58,736 --> 00:34:01,239
Now we got a problem.
He's dying.
827
00:34:07,645 --> 00:34:10,648
The Sandman's reckless nature
and persistent drug use
828
00:34:10,681 --> 00:34:13,818
have landed him on the brink of
death.
829
00:34:13,851 --> 00:34:15,820
Thank God they stopped,
they called the ambulance,
830
00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:18,990
the ambulance came, the
adrenaline shot, needle.
831
00:34:19,023 --> 00:34:21,359
♪
832
00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:23,394
They take me to
the hospital.
833
00:34:23,428 --> 00:34:25,396
I wake up at like
four in the morning.
834
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,365
I ripped the shit
out of my arms,
835
00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:28,733
grabbed my shit out
of the hospital,
836
00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:30,935
fucking went into the hotel,
fell asleep, got up,
837
00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:32,703
and went to the show the
next day and shot
838
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,939
an OxyContin 80
and loved it.
839
00:34:35,006 --> 00:34:36,274
I liked it so much
I'm like, "Dude,
840
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:38,709
I can't do this again.
I'll end up fucking really,
841
00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:42,613
actually being dead."
Never did it again.
842
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,285
I found bills in my mail
that show that he was
843
00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:50,421
resuscitated from
shooting up and flatlining,
844
00:34:50,455 --> 00:34:52,690
and he never told me.
845
00:34:52,723 --> 00:34:54,058
I wasn't telling her.
846
00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:56,527
Oh yeah, hon, I OD'd fucking
on the road last week.
847
00:34:56,561 --> 00:34:58,062
Almost died.
848
00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,730
Yeah, I'm not coming
home with that story
849
00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,033
fucking Sunday
afternoon.
850
00:35:02,066 --> 00:35:05,036
As The Sandman struggles with
his personal issues
851
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:08,439
ECW experiences a decline as
their top stars
852
00:35:08,473 --> 00:35:11,275
leave for bigger, more
mainstream promotions.
853
00:35:11,309 --> 00:35:13,077
Towards the end of ECW,
854
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,482
WCW and WWF was
picking our talent.
855
00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:19,951
They would leave us
and go to WWF so,
856
00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:23,654
Sandman got one of those
offers to go to WCW and
857
00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:27,225
make five times the money
he was making in ECW,
858
00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:28,459
so why wouldn't he?
859
00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:30,595
And all the guys
up there were huge.
860
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:32,163
Big monster guys.
861
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:34,232
And Sandman was
a big, tall kid,
862
00:35:34,265 --> 00:35:36,400
but not big muscle bound.
863
00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,768
But he wanted to get big.
864
00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,237
But he, remember,
he didn't work out,
865
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,605
he didn't go to
the gym at all.
866
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:43,508
So, he ordered all
kind of steroids.
867
00:35:43,574 --> 00:35:45,009
We called it the gas.
868
00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:47,278
So that's the six months
that I was doing the juice,
869
00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:49,514
the steroids and
the growth hormone.
870
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:51,282
And the only reason why
I did it was because
871
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,850
I was going to WCW,
872
00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:55,620
and that was the land
of the freaking giants.
873
00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:59,357
What was funny about when
Sandman went to WCW was
874
00:35:59,423 --> 00:36:02,360
he got jacked, like for
the first time ever.
875
00:36:02,426 --> 00:36:04,829
[Cheering]
876
00:36:04,862 --> 00:36:08,633
Course we had access to the
best gas on the planet
877
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,468
from Germany or whatever,
878
00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:12,870
the latest shit that
makes you big.
879
00:36:12,937 --> 00:36:16,040
So he was on it, and it
affects your thought,
880
00:36:16,107 --> 00:36:17,942
it makes you
mean sometimes.
881
00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,978
It has a, an effect
on your personality.
882
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,147
It turned my dad into
883
00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:26,450
an abusive,
harmful individual.
884
00:36:26,484 --> 00:36:30,288
And my mom turned into
this almost subservient,
885
00:36:30,321 --> 00:36:33,524
meek woman for
a little while.
886
00:36:33,558 --> 00:36:35,393
Breaking point for
me was the abuse.
887
00:36:37,562 --> 00:36:39,797
Mm-hm, yeah.
888
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:41,699
My hair pulled.
889
00:36:41,732 --> 00:36:43,901
I had a pillow put
over my face.
890
00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:48,539
Not just physically abused,
but mental abuse.
891
00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:52,376
"You're stupid," you know,
a bunch of that.
892
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,045
And sometimes the
mental stuff was
893
00:36:54,078 --> 00:36:57,548
harder than the physical.
894
00:36:57,582 --> 00:37:00,751
We were at his house,
and we're at the table
895
00:37:00,818 --> 00:37:02,587
and he's being a
dick to his wife,
896
00:37:02,653 --> 00:37:05,756
and he poured a
beer on her head.
897
00:37:05,823 --> 00:37:08,059
He wouldn't have done it
unless he was off
898
00:37:08,092 --> 00:37:10,361
and gassed up
and drunk.
899
00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:12,763
So, Sandman just
got a shipment,
900
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:17,368
$10,000 shipment
of steroids and
901
00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:19,670
Peaches went in
the refrigerator,
902
00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:23,174
and she fucking dumped it
all out in the front lawn,
903
00:37:23,207 --> 00:37:24,875
and he says, "Do you
realize you just
904
00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:27,111
dumped $10,000
worth the shit?"
905
00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:28,679
And she said, "I don't
give a fuck, Sandman.
906
00:37:28,713 --> 00:37:31,115
You're acting like a
dick on this shit."
907
00:37:31,182 --> 00:37:32,450
I don't care.
908
00:37:32,516 --> 00:37:34,719
You know, 'cause it
made him angry.
909
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:39,123
Like he was just angry.
910
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,958
It hurt. As much as
I loved him
911
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:42,927
I hated his guts,
you know?
912
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,362
Because it was difficult.
913
00:37:44,395 --> 00:37:45,796
It was extremely
difficult to see my mom
914
00:37:45,863 --> 00:37:48,032
go through what she had to
go through and like,
915
00:37:48,065 --> 00:37:49,900
you love us so much how
could you treat somebody
916
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,302
you love like that?
917
00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:53,037
He's your parent, and
you know it's not right,
918
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:54,972
but you don't
know how to help.
919
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,874
You know, you don't
know what to do.
920
00:37:56,907 --> 00:38:00,211
It got harder and harder to,
you know, trust him and,
921
00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:01,812
you know, want to
be around him.
922
00:38:01,879 --> 00:38:04,248
I put fucking
Lori through hell.
923
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:06,450
Now I understand,
like her perspective,
924
00:38:06,484 --> 00:38:08,386
you know what I mean?
And it was all me.
925
00:38:08,419 --> 00:38:10,621
If I could have
my shit together,
926
00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,757
then maybe me and her
would still be together.
927
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:14,392
Who knows.
928
00:38:14,425 --> 00:38:19,497
All I can say is I
stayed in too long,
929
00:38:19,563 --> 00:38:24,735
and there's always
help to...
930
00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:28,172
guide you to where
you need to be.
931
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,809
My mom...
took her a while, but...
932
00:38:31,842 --> 00:38:35,012
she made a decision.
933
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,249
And she decided that this is
not how she wants to
934
00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:41,619
live her life anymore,
she's got three kids.
935
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:44,789
It was all my fault,
and I know it.
936
00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:46,657
Dude, she was
like an angel.
937
00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:48,759
I was like the devil
reincarnated
938
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:51,796
for a little while.
Maybe for a long while.
939
00:38:59,937 --> 00:39:03,607
In 2001, ECW closes its doos
and two years later
940
00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:07,211
its assets are sold to Vince
McMahon's WWE.
941
00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:10,848
Giving The Sandman one last shot
in the spotlight
942
00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:12,216
as the brand is re-launched.
943
00:39:12,283 --> 00:39:14,518
What's that smell?
944
00:39:14,552 --> 00:39:17,388
Sandman's character was
kind of watered down,
945
00:39:17,455 --> 00:39:20,057
you know, no cigarette
smoking, no beer.
946
00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:21,959
Drinking on the job?
947
00:39:21,992 --> 00:39:24,362
What the hell is this?
948
00:39:24,395 --> 00:39:26,897
Society had changed,
and so he wasn't
949
00:39:26,964 --> 00:39:28,666
used as well as
he could've been.
950
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,468
The zombie!
951
00:39:30,501 --> 00:39:31,702
That's not the
ECW that I know,
952
00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:33,804
that's not the ECW
that the fans know.
953
00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:36,674
A lot of the original
ECW fans
954
00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:41,379
want to forget
about that time.
955
00:39:41,412 --> 00:39:43,848
Sandman's time in
the WWE is brief,
956
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:46,217
and un-remarkable.
957
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:48,152
And though his wrestling career
is largely over,
958
00:39:48,185 --> 00:39:50,755
his trouble with addiction
continue.
959
00:39:51,088 --> 00:39:52,590
I got a phone call.
960
00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:55,393
"Dad just got arrested,
he's going to jail."
961
00:39:55,426 --> 00:39:58,896
Like I was at work.
I'm like, "For what?"
962
00:39:58,929 --> 00:40:01,265
So, me and my brother
packed our shit,
963
00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:02,833
drove up to New York.
964
00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:05,369
How am I going to
find a freakin lawyer?
965
00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:06,904
I don't even
know what he did.
966
00:40:06,937 --> 00:40:09,240
Like, I'm in
Yonkers, New York.
967
00:40:09,273 --> 00:40:11,242
I'd watched him wrestle
for how many years?
968
00:40:11,275 --> 00:40:12,510
He walked into this
courtroom looking like
969
00:40:12,543 --> 00:40:14,378
he just got put through a
washing machine.
970
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,247
He, like, physically
looked hurt.
971
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,616
And I was just like,
"What happened?"
972
00:40:18,682 --> 00:40:22,019
30 Long Island iced teas,
that's what happened.
973
00:40:22,052 --> 00:40:24,288
[Slurring] Alright,
everybody here's thinking,
974
00:40:24,355 --> 00:40:26,891
"You know what?
This guy's drunk."
975
00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:29,560
You're right!
976
00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:31,228
Got in a fight
with the owner.
977
00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:33,464
So, he threw a bottle at me,
hit me in the head.
978
00:40:33,531 --> 00:40:35,599
I chased him
into the kitchen,
979
00:40:35,633 --> 00:40:37,568
broke a bunch of
shit in the kitchen,
980
00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:41,138
then the SWAT team
came and took me away.
981
00:40:41,205 --> 00:40:43,040
Basically had to go through
the court system.
982
00:40:43,073 --> 00:40:45,309
They finally set his bail.
983
00:40:45,376 --> 00:40:47,411
So I remember calling this
bank and I'm like, "Listen,
984
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:51,081
I need you to authorize a
$10,000 from ATMs."
985
00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:52,950
And she's like, "Well,
there's only gonna be
986
00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:55,820
like a $2000
limit per each ATM and
987
00:40:55,886 --> 00:40:57,221
that's just
the ATM itself."
988
00:40:57,254 --> 00:40:59,223
Like you're only allowed
to take so much.
989
00:40:59,256 --> 00:41:02,226
So here I am bouncing around
'til I got to ten grand.
990
00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:05,496
So I would be on the phone
with them at an ATM 'cause,
991
00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:07,331
you know, you see these
kids getting money
992
00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:09,733
out of an ATM,
they're gonna rob ya.
993
00:41:09,767 --> 00:41:11,635
And finally we're able
to give them bail
994
00:41:11,669 --> 00:41:12,970
about like,
three, four...
995
00:41:13,003 --> 00:41:14,305
something in
the morning.
996
00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:16,774
I remember walking into
this, like, huge...
997
00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:20,644
prison and like,
giving them this money
998
00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:22,680
and like,
out comes my dad.
999
00:41:22,746 --> 00:41:24,915
And I was like, "Get the
fuck in the fucking car
1000
00:41:24,949 --> 00:41:27,284
we're fucking going home.
I can't fucking believe."
1001
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:31,021
And like, of course,
of course.
1002
00:41:31,088 --> 00:41:33,691
Like, this is my life.
1003
00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:35,426
No kid should
have to do that.
1004
00:41:35,459 --> 00:41:38,329
It was your life.
You lived it.
1005
00:41:38,362 --> 00:41:41,999
You just, you don't know how
horrible it is until later.
1006
00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:45,302
Or how horrible you
might have made it for
1007
00:41:45,336 --> 00:41:47,671
other people that you,
that you love.
1008
00:41:47,705 --> 00:41:50,474
♪
1009
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,278
Deep down, he realizes
he's done a lot of bad,
1010
00:41:54,311 --> 00:41:58,182
and that maybe this
is his redemption?
1011
00:41:58,215 --> 00:42:02,987
I would like for him
to accept what was,
1012
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:07,558
accept what he has,
and move on from here.
1013
00:42:07,625 --> 00:42:11,362
But I think it's gonna be
kind of cleansing for
1014
00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:14,698
all of us,
and hopefully himself,
1015
00:42:14,732 --> 00:42:19,670
to just... let it go.
1016
00:42:19,703 --> 00:42:22,373
I don't know. I'm an
idiot, I, dude, I...
1017
00:42:22,406 --> 00:42:25,543
I've been so self
-sabotaging in my life.
1018
00:42:25,576 --> 00:42:29,980
It's like, there's been a lot
of just, personal destruction.
1019
00:42:30,014 --> 00:42:32,516
And now it hits me a little
bit different because
1020
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,220
I'm older and you think
about that stupid shit that
1021
00:42:36,253 --> 00:42:38,389
you've done that kind of
changes everything,
1022
00:42:38,422 --> 00:42:39,757
you know what I mean?
1023
00:42:39,823 --> 00:42:42,226
So, there's a different
perspective in my head now.
1024
00:42:42,259 --> 00:42:44,595
I want him to realize,
no matter how bad
1025
00:42:44,662 --> 00:42:46,997
things were at times,
1026
00:42:47,031 --> 00:42:49,900
including family life,
that where he came from and
1027
00:42:49,934 --> 00:42:52,570
what he did was a lot
of hard work and,
1028
00:42:52,603 --> 00:42:54,104
you know,
accomplishment.
1029
00:42:54,171 --> 00:42:56,941
Was a perfect by any
stretch of the imagination?
1030
00:42:57,007 --> 00:42:58,776
No. He's made a
lot of mistakes,
1031
00:42:58,842 --> 00:43:00,210
and he'll be the one
to tell you.
1032
00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:03,280
But, he's self-made
and it's okay to-
1033
00:43:03,347 --> 00:43:04,915
[Chuckling]
it's okay to say that.
1034
00:43:04,949 --> 00:43:06,517
He lived his life's dream.
1035
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:08,719
There always has to be
an end for everyone.
1036
00:43:08,752 --> 00:43:11,221
There always has to be an
end to what you can do.
1037
00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:12,590
And you've done it.
1038
00:43:12,623 --> 00:43:14,725
A lot of people can't say
that they've done that.
1039
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:17,962
He can still be The Sandman,
he still is The Sandman.
1040
00:43:18,028 --> 00:43:19,530
There will never
be another Sandman.
1041
00:43:19,563 --> 00:43:22,066
I, I really just wish that
he would understand that
1042
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:23,601
what happened happened,
1043
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:27,404
and he can
move forward.
1044
00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:30,641
Sandman is an icon.
1045
00:43:30,708 --> 00:43:32,409
Poster boy for hardcore.
1046
00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:35,913
People loved The Sandman.
1047
00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:38,282
I am the hardcore icon.
1048
00:43:38,315 --> 00:43:41,251
I mean, who else is gonna
drink beer, smoke cigarettes,
1049
00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:44,588
swing a cane, wear
sweatpants to the ring,
1050
00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,657
t-shirt,
and get over?
1051
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:52,429
The first person to
do a lot of shit.
1052
00:43:52,463 --> 00:43:54,732
You know, the first person
to bleed before he got into
1053
00:43:54,765 --> 00:43:57,468
the ring, the first person
to come out of the crowd.
1054
00:43:57,501 --> 00:43:59,303
You know what I mean?
Smoke a cigarette.
1055
00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:02,806
I am the king of extreme!
1056
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,642
[Cheering]
1057
00:44:04,675 --> 00:44:06,777
Smoking, drinking, yeah!
1058
00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:09,179
Cool.
1059
00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:11,582
No wonder why I'm fucking
fucked up in the head.
130585
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