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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,516 --> 00:00:18,636 It all started 2 00:00:19,185 --> 00:00:20,520 that January morning. 3 00:00:21,771 --> 00:00:23,273 When I arrived at the scene, 4 00:00:23,773 --> 00:00:26,568 it was very easy to see the victim's body from the road. 5 00:00:29,487 --> 00:00:31,906 You could equate it to looking at a mannequin. 6 00:00:32,741 --> 00:00:33,992 It... It was ghostly. 7 00:00:38,455 --> 00:00:40,665 There was a rope around her neck. 8 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:44,794 It was obvious that she was the victim of a homicide 9 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:46,588 and probably a sex crime also. 10 00:00:48,506 --> 00:00:52,385 It was noticeable that her jeans were down below her knees, 11 00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:55,211 and then, as I got really close... 12 00:00:55,764 --> 00:00:59,642 ...I could see that a section of the jeans in the fly area had been removed. 13 00:01:02,437 --> 00:01:04,856 That's the first time I'd seen anything like that. 14 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:10,904 Well, whoever did it had to be a sick individual, 15 00:01:10,987 --> 00:01:12,489 because he wanted a... 16 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:15,033 a souvenir of some sort. 17 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:21,206 Unless you're extremely cold-blooded, when you see something like that, 18 00:01:21,873 --> 00:01:23,208 it has some effect on you. 19 00:01:24,834 --> 00:01:27,796 If it doesn't, in my opinion, you're not human. 20 00:01:53,154 --> 00:01:56,282 We're running now on all cameras and sound. 21 00:01:56,366 --> 00:01:57,367 Here we go. 22 00:01:57,450 --> 00:01:59,202 This goes on TV, right? 23 00:02:03,915 --> 00:02:07,043 I grew up in a... a town called Hamilton, Ohio. 24 00:02:09,712 --> 00:02:13,216 I started out studying business. 25 00:02:14,843 --> 00:02:16,845 Well, to be real honest with you, uh, 26 00:02:16,928 --> 00:02:18,054 in my second semester, 27 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:20,932 I didn't do very well in my business classes. 28 00:02:21,015 --> 00:02:22,600 I had other interests. 29 00:02:23,393 --> 00:02:26,604 And, uh... ...a lot of it involved partying. 30 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:31,776 They started a program in criminal justice, 31 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:34,279 and I thought that sounded kind of interesting, 32 00:02:34,362 --> 00:02:35,989 and so I changed majors. 33 00:02:37,782 --> 00:02:40,535 I started work for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, 34 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:43,663 in Portland, on June 23rd, 1969. 35 00:02:45,456 --> 00:02:48,793 And the next thing I knew, I ended up in the Homicide, uh, section. 36 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:54,465 You'll see headlines in the paper or in the media, 37 00:02:54,549 --> 00:02:56,551 and they're always talking about the suspects 38 00:02:56,634 --> 00:02:58,720 when the victim's the forgotten person. 39 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,849 The police become that victim's voice. 40 00:03:07,687 --> 00:03:11,524 That morning, at the crime scene, 41 00:03:11,608 --> 00:03:15,403 the first big problem was identifying the victim. 42 00:03:16,696 --> 00:03:20,867 There was no identification on or about her person, 43 00:03:21,451 --> 00:03:22,869 in any of her pockets. 44 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:26,539 We gotta find out who she is. 45 00:03:27,207 --> 00:03:28,207 We had no idea. 46 00:03:31,586 --> 00:03:35,548 So, a sketch was made of the victim's face, 47 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:38,301 and it was circulated to the news media. 48 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:43,681 About a week after the sketch had been released, 49 00:03:44,891 --> 00:03:46,809 I was contacted by a woman 50 00:03:48,186 --> 00:03:50,271 who informed me that she believed 51 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:52,607 that the person depicted in the sketch 52 00:03:53,316 --> 00:03:54,484 was her daughter. 53 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:03,493 I took a relative to the medical examiner's office... 54 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:08,414 where he identified the victim as definitely being... 55 00:04:10,291 --> 00:04:11,376 ...Taunja Bennett. 56 00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:18,925 Taunja Bennett was 23 years old 57 00:04:19,008 --> 00:04:21,928 and resided with her mother in northeast Portland. 58 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,684 Mrs. Bennett told me Taunja could be 59 00:04:28,518 --> 00:04:30,895 a wonderful, loving person around her family. 60 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:37,318 But she said Taunja liked the bar scene, she liked to party. 61 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:41,614 It wasn't unusual for Taunja to meet someone in a bar 62 00:04:41,698 --> 00:04:43,491 and spend a night or two with him. 63 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:49,831 What I gathered from the interview with Mrs. Bennett 64 00:04:49,914 --> 00:04:52,250 was that Taunja was very naive, 65 00:04:53,001 --> 00:04:55,628 and she was a potential target for violence. 66 00:04:59,757 --> 00:05:00,967 A few days later... 67 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:04,595 ...a phone call comes in to the Detective's section 68 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:05,805 of the Sheriff's Office. 69 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,767 And it was a female who said that the person who'd committed the crime 70 00:05:09,851 --> 00:05:11,769 was named John Sosnovske. 71 00:05:14,272 --> 00:05:16,482 I ran his name through the databases... 72 00:05:17,692 --> 00:05:19,986 ...trying to spell it correctly. 73 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:23,823 And finally got a hit. 74 00:05:25,158 --> 00:05:28,786 And found out that John Sosnovske was on probation. 75 00:05:31,289 --> 00:05:33,541 So, I phoned his probation officer. 76 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:39,630 He told me he had also received a phone call 77 00:05:39,714 --> 00:05:41,549 from John Sosnovske's girlfriend, 78 00:05:41,632 --> 00:05:43,051 Laverne Pavlinac. 79 00:05:44,802 --> 00:05:47,597 Ms. Pavlinac told the probation officer... 80 00:05:48,097 --> 00:05:52,352 that she'd overheard John Sosnovske telling someone in a bar 81 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:56,189 that he had met Taunja Bennett. 82 00:05:57,815 --> 00:06:00,109 He said that he had picked her up, 83 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:02,236 and he ended up murdering her 84 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,323 and dumped her body up by Vista House in the Columbia Gorge. 85 00:06:07,825 --> 00:06:10,787 Okay, now we've got something to work with here. 86 00:06:18,127 --> 00:06:20,546 Myself and my partner drove to Laverne's house. 87 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:29,847 My first impression was she was very cordial and very pleasant. 88 00:06:31,474 --> 00:06:33,559 A nice older lady. 89 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:39,941 I asked her why it took her a couple days to come forward. 90 00:06:40,775 --> 00:06:43,444 She said that she was afraid of John Sosnovske. 91 00:06:45,363 --> 00:06:48,199 That he had abused her. 92 00:06:51,619 --> 00:06:53,830 She said that John was an alcoholic, 93 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:57,208 and that John would become violent at times during sex. 94 00:06:59,043 --> 00:07:02,880 And he had this strange habit of tying knots into rope. 95 00:07:06,008 --> 00:07:09,429 Uh, she was in her late fifties, uh, 58 or so. 96 00:07:09,512 --> 00:07:11,514 John was around 40 years of age. 97 00:07:12,306 --> 00:07:14,267 I just found it odd that she would, 98 00:07:14,851 --> 00:07:16,769 with the age difference and everything, 99 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:19,856 that someone would put up with a relationship of that nature. 100 00:07:22,358 --> 00:07:26,863 So, I asked Laverne what she was doing on the night of January 21st, 101 00:07:26,946 --> 00:07:28,448 when Taunja was murdered. 102 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:37,123 She explained that John asked her to take him to JB's Lounge in Wilsonville. 103 00:07:40,626 --> 00:07:45,006 Laverne said he arrived home around 1:30 or 2:00 a.m... 104 00:07:46,924 --> 00:07:48,509 ...and immediately took a shower. 105 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:51,846 And she found that to be unusual. 106 00:07:55,433 --> 00:07:58,811 The next morning, she noticed that he had a bruise on his left hip, 107 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:03,399 and he was complaining about his hands and his wrists hurting him. 108 00:08:06,027 --> 00:08:07,737 She seemed to be telling the truth. 109 00:08:10,531 --> 00:08:15,620 So, we ask her if she would consent to a search of her apartment. 110 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:18,873 And she said yes, she would. 111 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:22,585 We were hoping to find anything 112 00:08:22,668 --> 00:08:27,965 that may relate back to John having known Taunja Bennett. 113 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:31,219 As I began to search in the bedroom... 114 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:38,809 I found an envelope addressed to John Sosnovske. 115 00:08:40,478 --> 00:08:42,688 On the back, I found written... 116 00:08:45,608 --> 00:08:47,401 ...the letter "T. Bennett," 117 00:08:48,277 --> 00:08:50,780 with the notation "good piece." 118 00:08:52,907 --> 00:08:54,659 "P-I-E-C-E." 119 00:09:01,958 --> 00:09:04,669 At that point, it's looking pretty bad for John Sosnovske. 120 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:12,260 As we were preparing to leave, John Sosnovske arrived home. 121 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:15,972 We identified ourselves as police officers, 122 00:09:16,055 --> 00:09:18,182 and... he was very cooperative. 123 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:21,519 He volunteered to go with us 124 00:09:21,602 --> 00:09:22,728 and be interviewed. 125 00:09:27,233 --> 00:09:32,029 I'd like to ask you, do you know Taunja Ann Bennett? 126 00:09:32,113 --> 00:09:34,365 Not... not to my recollection, sir. 127 00:09:35,324 --> 00:09:40,121 We have been to your apartment and retrieved various things, 128 00:09:40,204 --> 00:09:42,039 one of them being a piece of paper 129 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:46,877 with the name "T. Bennett." 130 00:09:47,378 --> 00:09:48,754 Is that your printing? 131 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:53,801 I cannot answer that in full honestness. 132 00:09:54,385 --> 00:09:57,305 John Sosnovske was being somewhat evasive. 133 00:09:57,388 --> 00:09:59,640 They were pretty straightforward questions. 134 00:10:00,182 --> 00:10:01,309 Yes or no. 135 00:10:02,101 --> 00:10:04,437 Okay, then once again, I'll ask you, 136 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,200 and this will be the final time I ask you. 137 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:11,986 Do you have any knowledge of the death of Taunja Bennett? 138 00:10:12,069 --> 00:10:13,070 No, sir. 139 00:10:17,366 --> 00:10:20,911 Of course, I knew that if he had done it, he would deny it. 140 00:10:22,747 --> 00:10:25,541 But we had no probable cause to arrest him at that time, 141 00:10:26,834 --> 00:10:27,835 and he was released. 142 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,675 I felt like I had this inner sense... 143 00:10:38,095 --> 00:10:42,391 ...that was telling me, "Don't jump to conclusions." 144 00:10:43,017 --> 00:10:46,646 "You've got to build the case one way or the other." 145 00:10:46,729 --> 00:10:48,481 That's my job. 146 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:57,239 And that was when Deputy DA Jim McIntyre was assigned to the case. 147 00:10:59,575 --> 00:11:01,118 I think we're ready to roll. 148 00:11:01,202 --> 00:11:02,286 Okay, it's done. 149 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:05,456 Can we just adjust Jim's tie a little bit, please? 150 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:08,042 Yeah, cool. 151 00:11:08,125 --> 00:11:10,586 Your generation doesn't appreciate a half-Windsor. 152 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:12,088 I know I haven't. 153 00:11:12,171 --> 00:11:14,715 His reputation was A-one. 154 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,467 He was an ace, he was a charger, 155 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:17,551 a go-getter. 156 00:11:18,135 --> 00:11:19,135 Very knowledgeable. 157 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:24,892 On February 19th, my boss walked into my office 158 00:11:24,975 --> 00:11:28,354 and told me that there had been a body found at the end of January. 159 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:32,400 He wanted me to get on it to get the investigation moving. 160 00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:36,487 He viewed me as someone who was a little bit reckless, 161 00:11:36,570 --> 00:11:39,156 um, a little bit over the edge, 162 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,201 someone who would start directing people 163 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:45,287 and pushing people around to get things done in a certain way. 164 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:50,793 I briefed him on the case and, uh, the... the information I had obtained 165 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:51,876 to that point. 166 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:55,131 It struck me that they were 167 00:11:56,424 --> 00:11:59,677 floundering a bit in their investigation. 168 00:12:00,845 --> 00:12:05,099 It seemed as if they were stuck and didn't know which way to go next. 169 00:12:05,182 --> 00:12:08,561 So, I made it clear to Detective Ingram and his partner 170 00:12:08,644 --> 00:12:12,314 that they needed to get some information and some evidence 171 00:12:12,398 --> 00:12:14,817 about whether or not Sosnovske was involved. 172 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:17,445 They needed to go back 173 00:12:17,528 --> 00:12:19,488 and put this together, 174 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:22,867 or prove that it couldn't be put together, and we had to move on. 175 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:28,831 I still wasn't convinced 176 00:12:28,914 --> 00:12:31,709 that John Sosnovske had any involvement in the case. 177 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:35,921 But then I got a phone call from Laverne 178 00:12:37,339 --> 00:12:39,967 saying that she had found some items... 179 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:42,928 ...which she thought were... would be of value to the police. 180 00:12:48,225 --> 00:12:52,021 She had placed these items in a paper sack and stapled it shut. 181 00:12:53,689 --> 00:12:56,442 In the sack, I found... a purse. 182 00:12:58,652 --> 00:13:00,821 And upon opening the purse, 183 00:13:01,864 --> 00:13:03,991 I found the fly section 184 00:13:04,074 --> 00:13:06,160 from a pair of acid-washed jeans. 185 00:13:12,541 --> 00:13:14,919 I thought, "Okay, wait a minute here." 186 00:13:15,002 --> 00:13:18,255 "Is this really the fly section 187 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:20,049 from Taunja Bennett's jeans?" 188 00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:23,636 I found it almost too good to be true. 189 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:27,056 And it did set off some alarm bells. 190 00:13:29,433 --> 00:13:31,977 But, regardless, 191 00:13:32,061 --> 00:13:35,064 we had to interview John Sosnovske again. 192 00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:45,241 I make the above statement freely and voluntarily. 193 00:13:46,283 --> 00:13:50,246 I have been advised of my rights, which I understand. 194 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:59,213 I have seen T. Bennett at JB's truck stop 195 00:13:59,296 --> 00:14:01,131 on several occasions. 196 00:14:02,633 --> 00:14:03,633 All right. 197 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,764 Now he's claiming that he had seen her at JB's Lounge. 198 00:14:09,807 --> 00:14:13,269 The last time was 21 January, 1990. 199 00:14:14,144 --> 00:14:16,814 I was visiting with Chuck, who was playing darts. 200 00:14:17,773 --> 00:14:22,444 Later on in the evening, Chuck left, and T. Bennett left shortly after. 201 00:14:23,612 --> 00:14:25,197 Now you got John saying... 202 00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:28,450 "Well, yeah. Hey, I knew this girl." 203 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:30,578 Why would he change his story? 204 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:34,748 I believe she left to go to a motel room 205 00:14:34,832 --> 00:14:36,667 to have fun with Chuck. 206 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:40,963 Later that evening, I saw Chuck and asked him for a ride home. 207 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:46,176 I believe I saw a body in the back of the car. 208 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:55,769 The hackles on the back of my neck rise up when I hear stuff like that. 209 00:14:59,189 --> 00:15:01,775 I got into the front passenger seat. 210 00:15:03,861 --> 00:15:05,946 The body was wrapped in a blanket. 211 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:09,533 The body was one of a white female adult. 212 00:15:11,368 --> 00:15:13,037 During this ride home, 213 00:15:14,121 --> 00:15:16,916 the dead female was in the back of his car. 214 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:20,336 "Oh, sure, just give me a ride home." 215 00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:22,296 "Oh, what's that?" "Oh, a dead woman." 216 00:15:22,379 --> 00:15:25,466 "Oh, no problem." Ahem. "Just take me home and drop me off." 217 00:15:25,966 --> 00:15:26,966 "See you later." 218 00:15:28,636 --> 00:15:30,012 Come on, I ain't buyin' it. 219 00:15:30,971 --> 00:15:31,971 Uh-uh. 220 00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:37,728 John Sosnovske's statement did nothing more than raise more red flags 221 00:15:37,811 --> 00:15:40,189 that he was probably involved. 222 00:15:41,690 --> 00:15:43,442 And why would this somebody 223 00:15:44,735 --> 00:15:47,279 confess to being in the presence of a dead body 224 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:50,407 if they weren't in the presence of a dead body? 225 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,789 The next morning when I came into work, my partner said 226 00:15:57,373 --> 00:16:01,251 the results are back from the crime lab with regards to the section of jeans... 227 00:16:01,335 --> 00:16:04,088 ...that was, uh, found at Laverne's house. 228 00:16:07,257 --> 00:16:10,094 The jeans were not a match to Taunja Bennett's. 229 00:16:13,555 --> 00:16:14,598 I mean, I don't... 230 00:16:15,683 --> 00:16:19,019 I'm befuddled. I'm thinking, "What the hell?" "What's going on here?" 231 00:16:23,732 --> 00:16:25,526 I confronted her with the fact 232 00:16:25,609 --> 00:16:27,987 that the jeans were indeed not Taunja Bennett's. 233 00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:32,908 And Laverne admitted that she had planted them there. 234 00:16:35,411 --> 00:16:38,330 She said, "I really wanted John Sosnovske caught." 235 00:16:38,872 --> 00:16:39,957 "I, uh..." 236 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:42,918 "I was trying to make it easy for the police." 237 00:16:46,046 --> 00:16:49,216 I was frustrated. I was disappointed. 238 00:16:50,968 --> 00:16:52,720 But I wanted to know the truth. 239 00:16:54,763 --> 00:16:56,640 So, we started again. 240 00:16:57,433 --> 00:16:58,475 Okay. 241 00:16:59,393 --> 00:17:04,565 What happened during the evening hours of January 21st, 1990? 242 00:17:06,191 --> 00:17:07,526 The phone rang. 243 00:17:08,068 --> 00:17:10,696 It was John Sosnovske calling 244 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:15,117 to tell me he was in trouble and to come fast. 245 00:17:15,743 --> 00:17:19,163 And to bring... bring something large to wrap something in. 246 00:17:20,247 --> 00:17:21,665 What did you take with you 247 00:17:21,749 --> 00:17:24,877 when you went to see John at the J&B Lounge? 248 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,795 A blue shower curtain. 249 00:17:27,963 --> 00:17:30,174 This was a new version of the story. 250 00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:38,140 When you arrive there, Laverne, what did you find? 251 00:17:40,851 --> 00:17:41,851 A female. 252 00:17:42,811 --> 00:17:46,398 She was lying, uh, on her side, 253 00:17:47,149 --> 00:17:49,359 very prone, very quiet. 254 00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:52,988 And John Sosnovske came up to the window, 255 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,239 and I asked... 256 00:17:55,657 --> 00:17:56,825 if she's sick. 257 00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:00,412 He says, "Worse than that, she's dead." 258 00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:08,712 She said that John placed the body into the shower curtain. 259 00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:12,216 At that point, he got into the vehicle, 260 00:18:12,299 --> 00:18:15,135 and she asked, "What do we do now?" 261 00:18:15,219 --> 00:18:17,096 And he said, "Just drive." 262 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:23,810 I said, 263 00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:28,315 "I think we need to take her to a hospital." 264 00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:30,526 "We need to report this, John." 265 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,779 He says, "No, no, I'll go to death row." 266 00:18:34,446 --> 00:18:35,697 "You will not do it, 267 00:18:36,198 --> 00:18:38,450 because I will kill you... 268 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:42,121 and harm your family 269 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:44,790 and your grandchildren." 270 00:18:47,876 --> 00:18:51,296 I was starting to think that, you know, this guy is really a monster. 271 00:18:52,381 --> 00:18:56,385 And I could understand why she would be in extreme fear of him. 272 00:19:00,347 --> 00:19:04,434 He opened the back door on the passenger side 273 00:19:05,435 --> 00:19:07,563 and pulled her out. 274 00:19:07,646 --> 00:19:10,065 He went off into the woods... 275 00:19:10,274 --> 00:19:13,360 ...and he was gone about 15 minutes. 276 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:21,869 I felt sorry for Laverne. 277 00:19:22,953 --> 00:19:26,707 She had gotten herself into something way over her head, 278 00:19:27,374 --> 00:19:28,458 undeservingly. 279 00:19:29,585 --> 00:19:34,006 You know, I had, uh, some feelings, emotionally. 280 00:19:35,883 --> 00:19:37,843 With what we had been told, 281 00:19:37,926 --> 00:19:40,888 we thought we had enough reason to believe 282 00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:45,559 that John Sosnovske murdered Taunja Bennett, 283 00:19:45,642 --> 00:19:50,022 and, therefore, he was arrested on the charge of aggravated murder. 284 00:19:56,069 --> 00:20:00,908 But I wanted to make sure we had enough for a murder conviction. 285 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,555 We had a conversation with Ingram and his partner 286 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:09,958 that, uh, they should take, uh, Laverne up into the Gorge 287 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:15,088 and see if they could bolster her rendition of what happened. 288 00:20:22,971 --> 00:20:25,891 We asked if she would be willing to accompany us 289 00:20:25,974 --> 00:20:29,019 to retrace the route that she had taken... 290 00:20:29,102 --> 00:20:30,437 ...the night of the murder. 291 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:37,903 We were anxious to see whether or not she could show us 292 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:42,950 where the body had been placed by Sosnovske. 293 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:49,915 So, we proceeded up past Crown Point and Vista House... 294 00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:54,878 to the area where the... the body had been dumped. 295 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:03,845 We drove on past the area where the body had been found. 296 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:08,100 We kept on traveling eastbound. 297 00:21:12,312 --> 00:21:13,313 And then, suddenly... 298 00:21:15,899 --> 00:21:17,985 ...she said, "Stop the car and turn around." 299 00:21:22,364 --> 00:21:23,490 Laverne said... 300 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:27,077 "This gives me the creeps." 301 00:21:29,746 --> 00:21:31,623 And she pointed... 302 00:21:34,209 --> 00:21:35,877 almost directly... 303 00:21:35,961 --> 00:21:38,380 ...to where that body had been located. 304 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:42,843 It couldn't have been a distance of more than ten feet off. 305 00:21:47,764 --> 00:21:48,764 My gosh. 306 00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:50,809 She's nailed this. 307 00:21:56,481 --> 00:21:59,276 Five days after John Sosnovske was arrested, 308 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,903 I receive a phone call on my pager at 3:00 a.m. 309 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:08,910 Laverne wanted to have a conversation with me and my partner. 310 00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:12,331 Oh, crap. 311 00:22:12,414 --> 00:22:13,957 Where are we going now? 312 00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:26,094 When you drove over to JB's from your daughter's house 313 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:28,618 and you pulled into the lot... 314 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,265 ...what did you see, if anything? 315 00:22:33,643 --> 00:22:36,563 Um, I seen John standing with the young lady, 316 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:43,528 and they appeared to be arguing... in a... playing way. 317 00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:46,656 Wait a minute, now. 318 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,369 You've told us this... this one... this one story 319 00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:54,623 where you said Taunja was dead in the parking lot of JB's Lounge. 320 00:22:54,706 --> 00:22:58,418 Now you're saying that she was alive when you got there. 321 00:22:58,502 --> 00:23:00,087 Now, see, listening to that 322 00:23:01,797 --> 00:23:03,799 makes me question the whole damn thing. 323 00:23:05,509 --> 00:23:08,387 He said to her, "Get in the car, it's cold." 324 00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:11,056 And as you continue to drive, 325 00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:13,975 there was a point that Taunja Bennett apparently agreed 326 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:15,227 to have sex with John. 327 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:16,561 Yes, she did. 328 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:18,855 So, I'm anticipating, 329 00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:22,776 I'm waiting to hear where this is going to lead. 330 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,823 We arrived at Crown Point. They got out of the car. 331 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:29,116 I remained in the car. 332 00:23:30,158 --> 00:23:32,994 I understand that a short period of time went by, 333 00:23:33,078 --> 00:23:34,788 and John came back to the car. 334 00:23:34,871 --> 00:23:36,498 - Is that true? - That's true. 335 00:23:36,581 --> 00:23:39,793 He went to the trunk, and there was rope in there. 336 00:23:39,876 --> 00:23:41,962 And he took the rope. 337 00:23:42,045 --> 00:23:45,841 I asked him, "Why do you need the rope?" He says, "I'm gonna tie her up, it's... 338 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:48,677 more of a thrill this way." 339 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:49,760 Damn. 340 00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:52,138 So... 341 00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:55,434 at that point, you walked with John to where Taunja was? 342 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,689 Where did you see Taunja? 343 00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:04,818 She was laying in a doorway, and she was laughing. 344 00:24:07,863 --> 00:24:10,657 He told me to take the rope... 345 00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:14,952 and, uh... 346 00:24:16,204 --> 00:24:17,372 put it around her neck. 347 00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:25,839 How in the hell could this... 348 00:24:27,215 --> 00:24:29,301 older lady, this grandma... 349 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,807 place a rope around a young lady's neck and draw it tight? 350 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,854 I'm having trouble processing that. 351 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:45,650 What happened then? Did... Did John have sex with her? 352 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,359 Yes. 353 00:24:47,777 --> 00:24:50,405 And I had my eyes shut... 354 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:53,700 ...because I knew what he was doing, and I didn't wanna observe it. 355 00:24:53,783 --> 00:24:55,785 And he kept saying, "Hang on, hang on." 356 00:24:57,204 --> 00:24:59,831 I must have tightened it as I was hanging on. 357 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:02,334 He was hitting her in the face. 358 00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:05,253 - What was he hitting her with? - His fists. 359 00:25:06,963 --> 00:25:07,963 And then... 360 00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:10,383 Then she became limp. 361 00:25:17,474 --> 00:25:21,353 Did you realize that Taunja Bennett had expired? 362 00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:24,605 Yes. 363 00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:33,823 You listen to her story, the emotion in her voice and her tone, 364 00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:36,284 and just fact, bam, bam, 365 00:25:36,993 --> 00:25:38,828 and you're thinking, "God, this..." 366 00:25:38,912 --> 00:25:43,041 "Maybe this is... This is sounding like it really happened this way." 367 00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:48,547 Ms. Pavlinac, let me ask you a question. 368 00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:51,675 Do you believe, sitting here today, 369 00:25:51,758 --> 00:25:54,135 that by pulling that rope tight, 370 00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:57,180 that you caused the death of Taunja Ann Bennett? 371 00:26:01,434 --> 00:26:02,434 Yeah. 372 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:06,230 You do? 373 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:09,067 I... I feel like it's my fault. 374 00:26:13,613 --> 00:26:17,659 I just couldn't... I couldn't... I just... I couldn't believe it. 375 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:26,501 And I knew right then that, 376 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:31,047 at some point, we were going to have to arrest her. 377 00:26:34,884 --> 00:26:37,387 But something was still bothering me. 378 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:47,439 There must be a side of this woman that I am missing very badly. 379 00:26:48,064 --> 00:26:51,318 I've either terribly misjudged her, 380 00:26:51,401 --> 00:26:54,613 you know, as being this older, grandmotherly type... 381 00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:03,413 or, at some point, she had to have some evil in her, 382 00:27:04,205 --> 00:27:06,458 which was a shock to me, you know. 383 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:13,923 So, I had two thoughts in my head. Is there a side of this woman I don't see? 384 00:27:14,966 --> 00:27:18,386 Or is it John Sosnovske with this influence over her? 385 00:27:24,601 --> 00:27:28,188 I remember Detective Ingram seeming exasperated, 386 00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:32,025 dropping his notebook on the table and going, "You're not gonna believe it." 387 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:37,530 And he then walked us through Pavlinac's confession. 388 00:27:38,281 --> 00:27:39,908 At the end of that conversation, 389 00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:42,369 I looked at Det. Ingram and said, "Where is she?" 390 00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:45,705 And I said, "Jim, we didn't arrest her." 391 00:27:46,956 --> 00:27:47,791 And he says to me... 392 00:27:47,874 --> 00:27:49,834 "Well, Jesus Christ, go get her." 393 00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:52,629 "Get her and arrest her and put her in jail." 394 00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:56,091 "You've left the confessed murderer sitting at home, 395 00:27:56,174 --> 00:27:59,302 drinking coffee and tea with her daughter." Um... 396 00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:00,428 "You don't do that." 397 00:28:12,482 --> 00:28:15,360 Myself and my partner drove out to Wilsonville, 398 00:28:15,443 --> 00:28:17,195 and we took Laverne into custody. 399 00:28:18,571 --> 00:28:21,449 Procedure requires me to handcuff Laverne 400 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:24,327 prior to placing her in the police vehicle. 401 00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:26,246 I didn't do that. 402 00:28:28,456 --> 00:28:31,626 I felt comfortable around Laverne. 403 00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:35,088 And I felt sorry for her. 404 00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:37,298 She had just talked herself... 405 00:28:40,135 --> 00:28:41,803 into a charge of murder. 406 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:51,312 I remember Laverne turning around 407 00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:53,565 as I was escorting her to the holding cell. 408 00:28:56,025 --> 00:28:58,403 And she looked in my eyes, and she gave me a hug. 409 00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:04,784 I'd never had that happen before. That's for sure. 410 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:07,579 And I thought, "Wow." 411 00:29:09,622 --> 00:29:11,958 It just made me feel like I was putting my mother 412 00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:14,753 or my grandmother into that holding cell. 413 00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:19,257 And it made me feel sad. 414 00:29:23,219 --> 00:29:24,219 Phew. 415 00:29:34,147 --> 00:29:35,565 I need a break for a minute. 416 00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:57,962 Suck it up, boy. 417 00:30:01,716 --> 00:30:04,844 Laverne Pavlinac had those investigators charmed. 418 00:30:04,928 --> 00:30:06,471 Not only did she have them charmed, 419 00:30:06,554 --> 00:30:09,933 but she had control of them without anybody realizing it. 420 00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:13,853 I think, at one point, 421 00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:16,773 that maybe he was slightly the victim of a Stockholm Syndrome. 422 00:30:18,107 --> 00:30:19,192 From my perspective, 423 00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:23,404 I had sympathy or empathy for her, for the position that she had been in, 424 00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:27,158 but it still did not negate the fact that she had killed Taunja Bennett. 425 00:30:39,212 --> 00:30:41,005 As we were getting ready for the trial, 426 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:42,507 Laverne was now contending 427 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:47,095 that her confession was basically a fabrication and a lie. 428 00:30:51,057 --> 00:30:53,268 And that she had done all this 429 00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:57,355 solely for the basis of getting John Sosnovske arrested 430 00:30:57,438 --> 00:30:58,648 and out of her life. 431 00:30:59,315 --> 00:31:01,860 The fact that Pavlinac wanted to recant her confession 432 00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:03,194 was not surprising at all. 433 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,784 So, just prior to the trial beginning... 434 00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:11,588 ...I went down 435 00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:12,996 to the District Attorney's office 436 00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:15,665 and I said, "You know, 437 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:18,042 there's something bothering me about this case." 438 00:31:18,835 --> 00:31:22,338 Jim says, "Well, what's the matter? Don't you believe they're guilty?" 439 00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:25,884 And I said, "There's something in the back of my mind 440 00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:28,720 that keeps telling me that we've missed something here." 441 00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:31,472 He was trying his best to reassure me that, 442 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:34,642 "Hey, based on those facts, you know, it's... it's there." 443 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:35,643 "What's wrong?" 444 00:31:43,776 --> 00:31:47,155 The trial was moving along just fine. 445 00:31:47,238 --> 00:31:49,324 I mean, there had been no... no hiccups. 446 00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:52,493 During the closing arguments, 447 00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:54,537 Ms. Pavlinac's attorney was trying to argue 448 00:31:54,621 --> 00:31:57,916 all of the reasons why she would make up the confession 449 00:31:57,999 --> 00:32:00,001 and why she would be so desperate 450 00:32:00,084 --> 00:32:03,212 to get Sosnovske removed from her family and from her life. 451 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,090 My closing argument, 452 00:32:06,674 --> 00:32:08,009 I didn't say anything. 453 00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:10,386 I simply got up, 454 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:13,431 walked over to the table where I had laid out a tape recorder, 455 00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:16,809 and I let that tape play for the length of her confession. 456 00:32:19,896 --> 00:32:21,856 Ms. Pavlinac, let me ask you a question. 457 00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:27,153 Do you believe that, by pulling that rope tight, 458 00:32:27,236 --> 00:32:30,448 that you caused the death of Taunja Ann Bennett? 459 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:32,324 Yeah. 460 00:32:32,742 --> 00:32:35,703 - You do? - I... I... I feel like it's my fault. 461 00:32:41,668 --> 00:32:42,668 Um... 462 00:32:45,171 --> 00:32:47,090 And, you know, that... And that was it. 463 00:32:50,593 --> 00:32:54,722 Laverne Pavlinac was convicted by a jury of 12 for felony murder. 464 00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:59,435 After that, Mr. Sosnovske entered a plea of no contest 465 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:00,979 to the murder of Taunja Bennett. 466 00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:06,317 Every murder case I ever handled, 467 00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:09,195 there was more a kind of a feeling of sadness 468 00:33:09,278 --> 00:33:10,822 than success. 469 00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:15,952 But at least there was some closure 470 00:33:16,703 --> 00:33:18,121 for Taunja Bennett's family. 471 00:33:42,228 --> 00:33:43,521 Want me to read everything? 472 00:33:51,446 --> 00:33:52,989 "I killed Ms. Bennett." 473 00:33:54,782 --> 00:33:57,285 "I cut the buttons off her jeans." 474 00:33:58,286 --> 00:34:02,123 "I left her facing downhill and her jeans down by her ankles." 475 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:07,795 Now, three years later... 476 00:34:09,213 --> 00:34:12,508 letters started to surface that were written by an individual 477 00:34:12,592 --> 00:34:15,178 claiming responsibility for Taunja Bennett's murder. 478 00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:17,805 "A man and a woman got blamed for it." 479 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,725 "She was my first, and I thought I would not do it again, 480 00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:22,643 but I was wrong." 38658

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