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Yesterday morning,
in an office building,
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Downloaded from
YTS.MX
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a fire broke out in a company's
server room and killed an employee.
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In less than 24 hours, the
Prosecutor's Office dismissed the case.
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Official YIFY movies site:
YTS.MX
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DISMISSED
An investigation by Gabriel Vรขnฤtoru
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24 hours?
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The fire was just put out, and you
already closed the investigation?
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For the fire investigation alone this
file should have been reviewed for a week.
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Plus the autopsy.
That also takes a few more days.
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So, in the morning, the fire broke out,
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and by noon, you already have the file
at the Prosecutor's Office? Seriously?
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And there's something else.
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The press release given by the
company where the incident took place,
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came out 2 hours before the
Prosecutor's Office dismissal.
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And with all this,
both have the same result.
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Almost 30 pages, of which more than
half are procedural papers.
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But the firemen's report
has only one page.
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Only one lousy page.
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It doesn't even explain what
rules did the poor man break.
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They took over this explanation
from the company,
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copy-pasted and finished the file.
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But if you look at the company's press
release, this part is almost identical.
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Unreal!
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Thank you for agreeing to talk.
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{\an8}Can you tell me a little about the events
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{\an8}- ...that led to the incident on May 23rd?
- Yes, of course.
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{\an8}That morning, one of the servers
had a problem.
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More precisely, the fans
didn't work for more than an hour,
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which led to the overheating
of that server.
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Above all, a short circuit took place,
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which led to a fire breaking out in
the entire server room.
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And what is Eremia's connection
to this incident?
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As I was telling you, a series of
unfortunate events led to this event.
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And our employee, Eremia ลขofan, was in the
server room when the fire broke out there.
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Correct. This is also written in
the prosecutor's report
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as well as in
your press release.
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My question is, what was
Eremia doing there?
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Because he was working
in another department.
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- Yes, that's right.
- Not in the IT department.
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He was working in the testing department.
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Because of a non-compliance
with internal rules.
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That's why he was there.
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And what was he doing there?
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I don't know what his motivation was.
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All I can confirm is that
he shouldn't have been in that room
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and that the internal rules
weren't followed.
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And why didn't he come out?
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Because when a fire breaks out
in the server room,
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the doors automatically close.
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And the sprinkler system should
also activate automatically,
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only that on that day there was a delay
and this delay was unfortunately fatal.
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But...
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... he shouldn't have been in that room.
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The people who have access to that room
are also instructed how to get out of it
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in case of such extreme events.
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I understand.
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What I find interesting is
that this conclusion,
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that it was exclusively his fault,
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was taken over immediately, and
identically, by the Prosecutor's Office.
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Right.
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Yes.
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Because these were the facts.
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And this is the reality.
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Well, in two hours,
it seemed to me a bit ...
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Well, if you now want to insinuate
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that we would have influenced
in any way
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the investigation
of the Prosecutor's Office
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know that you are wrong.
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We are not the kind of company
that intervenes in the justice process.
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And yes,
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the two investigations have the same
conclusion because
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this is the reality.
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We are talking about a
collective trauma, after all,
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whether we are talking about
his family or about us
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all his colleagues from Futura AI.
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{\an8}Eremia was the best boy
we could have ever wanted.
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{\an8}He would run from school
as the hours ended.
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{\an8}He would run home to help us with work.
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He didn't want to leave us
alone with all the work.
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He worked next to us
until the sun went down.
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And then he would go to school.
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Was it hard for you when
he left for the city?
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Of course it was hard, but I think
it was even harder for him.
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Why?
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Well, Eremia was a bit of a loner.
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He was a good boy, but he
couldn't make too many friends.
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I think when he left for the city,
for college, it was very hard for him.
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Yes. The very few friends he had...
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he had lost contact with them.
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And there, in Bucharest,
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with all those people around,
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my Eremia couldn't find his place.
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Did he tell you anything about this?
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No, he was keeping these
things for himself.
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Poor thing, he didn't want to
burden us with his sorrows.
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But you should know that we
understood what was happening.
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Do you think this loneliness
of his led to the accident?
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God forbid!
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Eremia was such a good man,
and he was afraid of God.
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And after the accident,
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did anyone in the press contact you
to ask anything about this?
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Well, who would look for us?
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You were the first one who insisted
on coming here, to ask us about our son.
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That day, when they put him in the news,
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they didn't even say his name
as if he was a homeless person.
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And from the police,
from the Prosecutor's Office?
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Well, from the police we
know that he was in the fire.
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And since then, no one has called us.
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And do you plan to do something
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to hold these people accountable?
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What can we do?
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Can't you see we are two grieving
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and broken old people
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cause our only son died?
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Do I have the strength to go
to Bucharest from door to door
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to yell at those bastards?
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And from the company where he
worked did anyone contact you?
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Yes, they called the next day.
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They said they were going to
investigate, to see what happened,
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and that they were going to
give us his salary for this month.
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But until now, we haven't
received anything.
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The case of Eremia ลขofan,
the employee who died in the fire
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from the headquarters of Futura AI,
deserves an investigation.
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As far as I understood,
he was a calm, quiet man
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who respected
the rules all his life,
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and who wouldn't have gotten
into a conflict
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with other people or the authorities.
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Therefore, the company's conclusion,
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that he would have intentionally
violated the internal rules,
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and that's why he ended
up in the fire zone,
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is slightly uncharacteristic
of his personality.
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In addition to that,
the Prosecutor's Office's investigation
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is rather threadbare,
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because you don't close the file
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and stop the criminal investigation
after only 24 hours.
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Now, we have a victim of a fire,
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about which the prosecution
says it was an accident.
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I find that hard to believe.
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The Prosecutor's Office
took the conclusions
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and the company's internal investigation,
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without digging deeper,
and hurried to close the case.
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I believe that what happened there
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has nothing to do with the
investigation from the file
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or with the press statements
of the company.
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We're calling Eremia's manager,
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who hasn't answered us so far, neither by
e-mail, nor by messages, nor by anything.
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Let's try again.
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So...
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the manager doesn't want to talk.
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{\an8}- Yes, hello!- Hello, Mr. Marcel Stanciu?
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{\an8}It's me, hello!
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{\an8}I'm Gabriel Vรขnฤtoru,
independent journalist.
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{\an8}I'd like to ask you a few questions about
the incident that took place at Futura AI.
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I understand that you worked exactly
on the day when the fire happened.
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Yes, that's right, but I can't talkabout this. Have a good day! Bye-bye!
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I understand.
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Futura AI is an important client for us.
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{\an8}We're just about to integrate
into the insurance policy
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{\an8}a new data center that
they're building at the moment.
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{\an8}So, the compensation process was based
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on an extremely important business
relationship with this client.
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I'm sure, but even so, didn't you have
to carry out your own investigation?
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I assure you that we respected
all the internal rules,
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as well as those stipulated
and imposed by the law in force.
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So, those from Futura AI provided you
with all the information?
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Or did you question them?
How does it work?
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My colleagues received absolutely
all the necessary information
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from the security department of Futura AI.
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They concluded that we can move
forward with this compensation process.
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Yes, but... so fast?
There was also a casualty.
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Isn't that strange?
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It's true, there were certain...
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certain suspicions regarding the presence
of the employee in the server area.
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But, as I mentioned,
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my colleagues received
all the necessary information.
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It seems to me that you based
your investigation
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strictly on the information
received from Futura AI.
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Or, it would seem normal to me
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to carry out an investigation yourselves.
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No, we didn't draw the conclusions
strictly based
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on the information received
from the client.
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They went through an
internal verification process.
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As for the expertise, yes,
there were certain administrative delays
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and decisions that hampered the process.
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Can you elaborate a bit on the
problems that hampered the process?
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Of course. The server center is vital
for our client, Futura AI.
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Therefore, starting a process
of renovating the burned space
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was necessary, vital, immediately after
the completion of the legal investigation.
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In addition, our client wanted
to minimize the negative impact
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that this kind of tragic event has
on the morale of the employees.
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A quick renovation process
only helped them navigate
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through this trauma more easily.
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So, Futura AI started the renovation
process immediately after the incident,
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using the morale of the
employees as an excuse,
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and that's why you didn't
have access to that room
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to carry out your own investigation.
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- Is that what you're saying?
- I think I was very clear from the start.
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The entire verification process
was an internal one. A thorough one.
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It was done by a team of colleagues who
accumulated over 30 years of experience
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in the field of insurance fraud.
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They came to the conclusion that
there is nothing wrong with that accident.
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It's true, it was a tragic one
and it had an innocent victim.
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We stand by our client
and their employees,
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to help them navigate
through this trauma.
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We were three high school friends,
passionate about programming since little.
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{\an8}We remained friends
in college and even after that,
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{\an8}when we got hired at
the first jobs in Bucharest.
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{\an8}We would often meet for a drink
and talk about the future of the world,
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about how techy we will become.
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And one day, also over a beer,
Radu came up with the crazy idea
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for all of us to resign,
move into an apartment
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and start coding an AI.
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What did you think of this idea?
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The idea that we could
do something revolutionary
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convinced us to drop
everything and take the plunge.
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In a month we were already
moved into the appartment,
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the so-called headquarters
and we were brainstorming.
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And who came up with the
idea of content moderation?
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Radu came up with the idea.
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Petre and I were insisting to
make a Jarvis, like in Iron Man.
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But one day, Radu showed us a report
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about the awful videos
that get on Facebook
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because there is no time to be moderated.
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And the videos of some journalists,
for example,
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are taken down by propaganda bots.
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It's a desolate situation, but
it was an opportunity for us.
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And from the idea to the prototype,
how long... ?
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We started as soon as we agreed.
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We worked day and night,
we were sleeping next to the office.
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We would wake up, start coding,
go to sleep, wake up,
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and start it all over again.
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And in a year and a half,
we already had the first beta version.
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And what happened next?
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{\an8}Well, after all these successes,
they found more investors
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{\an8}and released some new
updates for their product
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{\an8}which reduced the moderation
times even more.
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And sooner than two years, they were
listed at the New York Stock Exchange.
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It was the second Romanian company after
UiPath that managed this performance.
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And how could they be listed if
they didn't have a solid gross revenue?
241
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Sometimes, on Wall Street, the hype alone
242
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and the prospect of big future incomes
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is enough to throw you
into a stratosphere.
244
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Plus, they had an ace up their sleeve.
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Twitter.
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- Twitter?
- Yes, yes, yes.
247
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All of this was happening after
the events of January 6th, 2021,
248
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when Trump had managed to lead a live
insurrection directly from their platform,
249
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and they needed a
way to get away with it.
250
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They had kicked Trump out off
the platform, but it wasn't enough.
251
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And then they signed a
collaboration contract with Futura AI.
252
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I suppose that this was
their turning point.
253
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Yes, yes, yes.
You can imagine.
254
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They were going to be
implemented directly in the platform.
255
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The tests were looking great.
256
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The investors were very happy.
257
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And from that moment on,
how did the company evolve?
258
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The company evolved very well.
259
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Unfortunately, our friendship
was eroding little by little.
260
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Radu was obsessed with the stock market.
261
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He was only interested in the financial
part and Petre followed him suit.
262
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And how did you feel?
263
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Abandoned.
264
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I know it sounds naive,
265
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but I really got into
this adventure believing
266
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that we were going
to change the Internet,
267
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which was taking a worse to worse turn.
268
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I really thought that the three of us
269
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would be those friends
who were going to change this.
270
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Unfortunately, I was the
remaining one who believed this.
271
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And what did you decide?
272
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Well, for the moment I said
to hold on a little longer.
273
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To go on with the listing
and the project with Twitter.
274
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I thought that,
275
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I don't know, the waters would calm down
and we would return to our ethos
276
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that convinced us to start this.
277
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But after the listing,
278
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Radu already wanted to sign
with a second big client.
279
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His was dreaming only to grow
and increase the stock market share.
280
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And the board that was established
after the listing
281
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was pushing for the same agenda.
282
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The question that torments us all...
283
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What was Eremia doing in the server room?
284
00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,680
According to my attributes and
my role within the company,
285
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I don't think I can
answer this question.
286
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,600
I don't know what were
the motivations and thoughts
287
00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,600
that pushed Eremia to
enter the server room.
288
00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,680
Ok, I understand.
Maybe I asked the wrong question.
289
00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,000
How did Eremia physically
get into the server room?
290
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I can't answer this question.
291
00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,680
We were also surprised by this incident.
292
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I don't understand why.
Aren't you the security department?
293
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In order to enter the building,
someone had to come and let me in.
294
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In order to enter a company,
someone had to come and let me in.
295
00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,280
I understand that each
employee has an entry card
296
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that allows them to enter
different areas of the building.
297
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Plus, all the security cameras.
298
00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:13,880
Despite all this,
299
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it seems that no one knows how Eremia
ended up in the middle of a fire.
300
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,200
Yes, we have all these
systems and information,
301
00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,480
but things are a bit more
complicated than that.
302
00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,120
What's complicated? He ended up
in an area where he had no access.
303
00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,520
This means that he used a card
that he received or stole.
304
00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,280
Whose card was it?
305
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,720
I can't neither confirm or infirm
this statement
306
00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,400
because it concerns
the internal security
307
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and confidentiality processes
of our company.
308
00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,440
What's interesting
309
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is the fact that both investigations
omitted
310
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mentioning the surveillance cameras.
311
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It's a bit suspicious.
It doesn't say anything about this.
312
00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,280
If I had investigated this,
313
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it would have been one of the first
things I would have done.
314
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,640
Let's look at the surveillance
cameras, that's why we put them there.
315
00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,000
That's how we can
find out how he got in.
316
00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,920
{\an8}Regarding Futura AI
317
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{\an8}and the investigation you recently
did at their headquarters.
318
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{\an8}With the fire, yes.
319
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,840
I'm interested to know if you
have any information,
320
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or if you received from the company
footage from the surveillance cameras.
321
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,240
I think it's quite important.
322
00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,520
From what I've seen, you omitted
mentioning this in the investigation file.
323
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,000
He sent me to you.
324
00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,040
Then who's actually in charge?
325
00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:09,200
I've told you...
HE sent me to you.
326
00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,040
I understand.
327
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,040
Well, I'll call him again, then.
328
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,680
But don't tell him that...
329
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or he won't answer anymore.
330
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,200
Thank you and excuse me.
331
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Jesus.
332
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:33,240
I don't think Eremia walked
into that server room by mistake.
333
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,680
And the fact that the company
representatives
334
00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,720
do not want to tell us
how he got there and why,
335
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,400
and with what card,
even though they know it,
336
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,640
well, it seems a bit suspicious.
Obviously.
337
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,280
I don't have any evidence yet and I
haven't found anyone to corroborate
338
00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,760
the fact that it could be a cover-up,
but we're only getting started.
339
00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,360
I don't even know how much sense it
makes to talk to the company's employees.
340
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,320
That is if they'll still let me do it.
341
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,000
Because I have the impression
that the communication department
342
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,360
is serving me on a conveyor belt
343
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,160
people trained to tell me
the same official story.
344
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:15,480
Hello, Mr. Popa!
345
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,720
{\an8}- You waited for me in the hallway?
- I figured you had to go home.
346
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{\an8}So, you worked on the report
347
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,920
{\an8}that is at the basis of
the prosecutor's file, correct?
348
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,120
{\an8}Yes, it's correct.
349
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,240
Following your request,
we took out all the files
350
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,040
related to the company Futura AI,
with the headquarters in Bucharest.
351
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,080
And we were going to respond
by email within the legal term.
352
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,480
Why don't we talk now?
353
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,840
Besides, the case was already dismissed.
354
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,320
That's what I want to discuss.
355
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,440
I think the public has the right to
know why it was dismissed so quickly.
356
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,760
If you agree... At the camera... Your
name and your role in the investigation.
357
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,560
On May 23rd, there was a fire at an
office building on Splaiul Independenลฃei.
358
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Fire that resulted in one victim.
359
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,880
After my colleagues extinguished
the last sparks of the fire,
360
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,080
I went to the scene of the event
361
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,200
to investigate the causes
and the way in which the events
362
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:10,960
related to the fire occurred.
363
00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,880
Can you elaborate on
how the fire took place?
364
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,920
There were two
independent events.
365
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:21,320
The first was a failure of some
fans on some servers,
366
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,960
which generated excessive
heat to the point of ignition.
367
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,720
The second was a short circuit
that generated a flame
368
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,960
right in the area where the aforementioned
technical malfunction occurred.
369
00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,480
So, two technical failures,
one after the other, so random?
370
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,400
From my experience, the random nature of
these types of events cannot be explained.
371
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,360
And how do you explain that
the sprinkler system
372
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,840
started one minute later,
and the room was already on fire?
373
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,600
Yes, the sensor had
a delay in its triggering.
374
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,120
It was recording the smoke, but it
was not triggering the water system.
375
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,640
I repeat, if the system had
worked in normal parameters,
376
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,640
there would have been no fire and
we would not have talked about it.
377
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,000
But what was the chance that
this system wouldn't work either?
378
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,480
Extremely small.
379
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,240
Almost zero.
380
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,840
That's why we don't have such events
every day. They're extremely rare.
381
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,800
Or do you expect us to calculate
them to see when the next one occurs?
382
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,000
So, we can't blame the
company for this fire?
383
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,120
They followed all the safety rules,
384
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,320
they had all the documents,
all the approvals in order.
385
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,000
If we are to blame someone,
I don't know, maybe...
386
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,520
the entrepreneur who executed
that part of the circuit.
387
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600
And in connection with the
victim who died in the fire?
388
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:39,960
Mister.
389
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:42,240
I only know what happened.
390
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,800
That's how it is written in my report.
391
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,760
It's not my job to find out what was that
employee doing there or why he was there.
392
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,440
Maybe it was cold and
he wanted to take a nap,
393
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,640
or he wanted to steal
the company's secrets.
394
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,960
I don't know. These are pure
speculations that won't help us.
395
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,280
What is important to mention is that
that employee was not allowed to be there.
396
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,520
So, he put himself in danger.
397
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,920
I think I answered all
the legitimate questions.
398
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,880
If you need more information,
399
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,520
please contact the
Public Relations Department.
400
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,800
I understand.
401
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,800
- During working hours, if possible.
- Good.
402
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,680
- Thank you very much, Mr. Popa.
- Yes, um...
403
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:22,960
With respect.
404
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,400
I'm still trying to find out
405
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,920
how did Eremia enter the server room,
406
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,240
because he didn't have
an access card and...
407
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,320
{\an8}You keep on calling.
408
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,400
{\an8}You've been calling mycolleagues constantly.
409
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,440
{\an8}You've been calling me as well.It's not my job.
410
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,480
{\an8}I find it incredible that no
one knows whose card it was.
411
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,480
It's not my job.Ask the Security.
412
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,760
I'm in charge of the servers.
413
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,800
I take care of how many cablesgo into that server and that's it.
414
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,520
It's not my business toknow whose card it was.
415
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,760
Talk to my colleague from Security ortalk again to my colleague from PR.
416
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,000
- Why do you keep on calling me?- Got it.
417
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,200
I need to know thatthe server is working.
418
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,200
- Why do you ask me whose card it was?- That's exactly why I was asking you.
419
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,360
It's the server that you take care of,
420
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,160
so you probably care who goes
in and who goes out.
421
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,560
But... I... This is a security issue.
422
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,160
The firefighters came, thepolice came, the prosecutor came.
423
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,440
Why do you keep asking me this shit?
424
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,000
Because no one answers to me.
No one answers to me.
425
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,080
{\an8}- Hello? Good day!- Good day!
426
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,440
{\an8}Mr. Marian Stoica?
427
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,880
{\an8}Yes, who is this?
428
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,560
{\an8}Hello, I'm Gabriel Vรขnฤtoru,
an independent journalist.
429
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:37,640
{\an8}I'm investigating Futura AI and I
understood that you worked there.
430
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,920
Yes, I did.
431
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,880
I don't know if you heard about Eremia.
432
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,840
I heard about it. Yes.
433
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,400
Is the investigation relatedto his death?
434
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,320
Yes, I mean,
I'd like for us, if you also agree,
435
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,320
to talk a little about Eremia.
436
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,120
Not necessarily about
what happened recently
437
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,040
because we have nothing to do with it.
438
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,800
But I'd like to know more
about him as a person and...
439
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:11,280
{\an8}I understood that you were a high
school classmate with Eremia ลขofan.
440
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,800
{\an8}Yes, that's right. I was.
441
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,160
{\an8}I don't know if you heard
about the recent incident.
442
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,680
It would help me a lot if you told
me a little about him as a person.
443
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,520
I'm trying to understand what happened.
444
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,560
He wasn't the most sociable.
445
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,480
He was an introvert.
446
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,440
He never hung out with the
popular kids, so to speak.
447
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,720
He cared about his learning.
448
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,280
If someone asked him for
anything, he was very helpful.
449
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,440
He even helped me a few times.
450
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,080
He gave me his notebooks,
he let me copy the homework.
451
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,240
What do you think was Eremia's
experience at the university?
452
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,800
I don't know if he liked
Bucharest very much,
453
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,680
in the sense that he didn't adapt.
454
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,400
He was, as I said,
more introverted.
455
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,120
And anyway, from a certain age,
456
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,600
it gets more difficult to make friends,
relationships.
457
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,920
When we were in high school,
we were taking him with us.
458
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,360
"Let's have a beer", we used
to take him to a party.
459
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:08,520
But in Bucharest, I don't really think
he got along too well with his colleagues.
460
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,640
Did you stay in touch after college?
Did you ever talk?
461
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,840
He called me about 2 years ago.
462
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,480
I didn't recognize him at first.
He had something in his voice...
463
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,280
He was extremely optimistic.
464
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,840
That surprised me.
465
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,560
He kept insisting on going
with him to some event
466
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,200
on Sunday, at a Baptist church.
467
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,760
Either he had converted, or he
was just attending services.
468
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,360
But what I liked, and what
made me happy for him,
469
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,520
was that it seemed as
he had found his place.
470
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,920
After all this time, he could
be somewhere... himself.
471
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,360
Practically, the AI, even the one
Futura was developing,
472
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,840
{\an8}needs content to be able to make
decisions.
473
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,120
{\an8}It needs tens of thousands,
hundreds of thousands of entries,
474
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,400
with all kinds of content, so it knows
the moment something nasty comes up.
475
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,080
And here we intervened,
the content testing team.
476
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,440
Basically, we were manually taking
477
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,000
these tens of thousands,
hundreds of thousands of inputs
478
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,440
and were flagging what was wrong with
them so the AI knew if it's good or bad.
479
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Can you tell me what kind of
content we're talking about?
480
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,120
Bad.
481
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,880
The worst misfortunes you can
think of: rapes, murders, beatings.
482
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,280
Practically, we had to
do this 8 hours a day.
483
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,040
We took them one by one, we watched them,
and we made a report
484
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,840
with which the AI was fed.
485
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720
It sounds like an extremely hard
job, no matter how strong you are.
486
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,440
It is, yes. Especially when you
have to do it from morning to night.
487
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,040
And the company?
488
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,720
Did they support you in any way?
489
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,560
- Did they take any action to help you?
- Yes, they did.
490
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,920
They took a lot of actions.
491
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,120
The most important one is that
they offered performance bonuses.
492
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Meaning the more videos you were watching,
the more money you were making.
493
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,600
Wow! I see.
Is that all?
494
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,200
They also did a corporate
thing at some point.
495
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,680
They announced loud and proud
496
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,800
that they would offer us mental health,
since we are doing a sensitive job.
497
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,800
I wonder how were people coping.
498
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,240
They weren't.
499
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,800
It took about two weeks until the first
mass resignations began to appear,
500
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,360
after which the department
turned into a kind of railway station.
501
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,520
People came, left, and
never stayed too long.
502
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480
We were like on the
Amazon packing line.
503
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,400
The next step would have been to
relieve ourselves in a bottle.
504
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,840
The atmosphere was so terrible.
505
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,960
{\an8}I couldn't resist and started to
comment and get into conflicts.
506
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,560
{\an8}With whom?
507
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,840
{\an8}With the team leader.
508
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,480
{\an8}He told me one day that I went to the
bathroom three times before lunchtime
509
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,360
and I couldn't take it anymore and
I yelled at him like crazy.
510
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,640
And how did your colleagues react?
511
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,920
No one was surprised because everyone
was doing their best to handle it.
512
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,880
Some were crying in
the bathroom,
513
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,360
others were smoking five cigarettes
during break time.
514
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,160
And how long did you resist?
515
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,400
Very little.
516
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,920
I started to argue with the
team leader every day
517
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,680
and in a short time the HR took me aside
and explained to me that
518
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,240
my attitude leads to the
decline of the team's morale.
519
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,320
Damn bastards!
520
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,080
So, people sat there for hours
and wrote reports about rapes,
521
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,360
and they, you see, cared
about the morale of the team.
522
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
My negative attitude
obviously continued
523
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,760
and in a short time I was called
to the last discussion
524
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,680
where I was offered two salaries and
525
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,160
a voucher for six therapy sessions
526
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,720
because apparently I underwent
a difficult period of stress.
527
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,480
And the people in the
company were aware of...
528
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,600
- Yes.
- They did the hiring.
529
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Everyone knew. Everyone.
530
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,400
HR, management,
upper management, founders, everyone.
531
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,160
Did you interact with Eremia in any way?
532
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Very little.
533
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,160
He was very busy
and quite introverted.
534
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,320
I also saw other things
that struck me a little.
535
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,080
He had a spark.
536
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,480
I don't know if he was
naive or very optimistic,
537
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,040
but he really believed in
the company's philosophy.
538
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,840
And he somehow hoped that
this AI that Futura is developing,
539
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:21,360
will, at some point, be able to stop this
lousy content from escaping the Internet.
540
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,160
We have it.
541
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,520
OK, so someone from the company who
wanted to remain anonymous, of course,
542
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,600
and who found out about
my investigation gave me
543
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,000
some internal materials
used by those from Futura AI.
544
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,440
They told me it is a presentation
for the new employees,
545
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,000
to see what company they are
joining and a series of emails.
546
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,560
This is the presentation.
547
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,360
It sounds extremely praiseworthy.
548
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,360
It's talking about the company's activity.
549
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,200
I quote: "Like other organizations
like UNICEF or the Red Cross,
550
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,840
the work we do to
develop our AI project
551
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,640
is crucial for humanity.
552
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080
You will have the opportunity
to contribute
553
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,240
to the creation of a new Internet
554
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,640
in which the harmful content
will never surface again."
555
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,360
We are safe.
556
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,120
We can sleep in peace.
557
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,520
They told me there were emails related to
the company's promises to the employees
558
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,040
about the mental health program.
559
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,720
So... in 2019 the first email
excitedly announced.
560
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,440
I quote: "We know that the work you
do has a strong emotional impact
561
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,600
and this may require therapeutic help.
562
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,640
We implemented a subscription to
mental health services
563
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,760
for the entire team."
564
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Yes, very nice.
565
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,000
So, only six months later
566
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,720
the company comes back
with an e-mail full of apologies
567
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,880
in which it informs its employees
that for financial reasons
568
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,240
the mental health program
is being discontinued.
569
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320
But it promises to them
570
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,200
that they will make an internal
program in which they will
571
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560
continue to support their employees.
572
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,840
In other words, if you didn't catch
those complementary therapy hours...
573
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,960
our thoughts and prayers.
574
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,120
{\an8}I liked him the first time
he came to our church.
575
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,560
{\an8}He didn't talk much, but
576
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,360
you could tell that he was
a good and gentle man.
577
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,520
I felt this all the time
when I was with him.
578
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,880
And even if he was so shy, he
worked up the courage to invite you out?
579
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,040
No, he would never have
had the guts to do such a thing.
580
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,840
He would barely lift his gaze
when I would get close to him.
581
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,560
I am the open and talkative one.
The entire church knows me.
582
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,360
And I liked him so much
583
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,840
that I didn't want to wait anymore.
584
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,840
And one Sunday morning I went
to him and I told him
585
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040
to take me out for an ice cream
after the service.
586
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Did you tell him? Or did you ask?
587
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,440
I went to him directly.
588
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,480
I was thinking that if go
straight to him
589
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,320
he won't refuse me,
590
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,640
and that's how it was.
591
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,720
He gave me a quick "Yes"
592
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,760
just to get out of the situation.
593
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,720
But after the service he really
took me out for an ice cream.
594
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,840
I understand you were
together for a while.
595
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,600
Can you say that it was
a serious relationship?
596
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Yes, it was a serious
relationship for both of us.
597
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,000
Even though it
wasn't official yet.
598
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,280
We were thinking
about getting married.
599
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,800
People could say that we are
old-fashioned or too conservative
600
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,280
but marriage is very important to us.
601
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Especially since we met here
in the church community.
602
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,680
This made us stronger in our faith.
603
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,160
I think that his plans were also
directly influenced by his work.
604
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,680
Did he tell you how things were at work?
605
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,240
He opened up to me a lot.
606
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,400
But he had a blockage related to his
work, to what was happening there.
607
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,440
Do you have any idea where
this blockage came from?
608
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,960
I think he doubted the morality of it.
609
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,560
I think that
610
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,160
he was ashamed that if I
found out what was happening there
611
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,760
I would change my opinion about him and
I wouldn't want to be with him anymore.
612
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,200
So, you didn't talk much about his work.
613
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,000
We talked very little.
614
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,680
One day I told him that I
would love him no matter what.
615
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,960
And that he should trust me and that
maybe it would be better for him to quit.
616
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,320
And how did he react?
617
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,480
I know for sure that Eremia
didn't go there just for the money.
618
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,720
He was such a good and kind
man, who believed that...
619
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,880
that his work would make the
world a better place.
620
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,040
If you allow me, I would like
to take things one at a time.
621
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,280
First: the work in that
department is extremely stressful.
622
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,880
As a company, being perfectly aware
623
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,960
of the stressful and sensitive
nature of this job,
624
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,000
we tried to create a friendly environment
625
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,680
in which the employees feel supported,
626
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,360
especially at times
when it risked becoming
627
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,040
a little too much for some of them.
628
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,520
And then, how do you explain
the waves of resignations?
629
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,240
There are employees
who only lasted one day.
630
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,520
Of course, there are some
limitations of the help we can offer.
631
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Beyond this point, employees also
have to keep up with the mission.
632
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,520
Yes, but it seems that your help
633
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,160
is almost non-existent.
634
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,480
I mean , sure, you provide
some therapy hours
635
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,520
which are far from being enough
636
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,960
for the large number
of employees you have.
637
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,960
Yes, as you for sure know,
638
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,240
each company has a budget
with which they operate.
639
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,080
This is how things work for the
companies listed on the stock exchange.
640
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,360
For that segment,
641
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,680
that was the budget we
could afford at the time.
642
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,480
The following year, that
budget was increased by 50%.
643
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Did you know this?
644
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,840
- No, I didn't. Congratulations!
- Thank you!
645
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,640
And yet, it wasn't enough.
646
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,600
It seems like you let the employees
647
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,200
go through this traumatic process
by themselves.
648
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,120
In addition, you set
performance standards
649
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,240
Productivity.
650
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,800
Or that. Which are
very hard to reach.
651
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,920
I still believe that you didn't understand
the nature of our activities.
652
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,840
Well, that's why I'm here
and we're talking.
653
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,680
- I'll try to explain it to you.
- Please!
654
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:03,920
At the moment, the Internet is
infested with harmful content.
655
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Every day, every child sees, on average,
656
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,440
more than 20 minutes of videos
that should be taken down
657
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,160
according to the upload
rules of any platform.
658
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,640
Those videos stay on the
Internet on average for 4 hours.
659
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,080
In these 4 hours, they are copied
and reuploaded on several websites.
660
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,960
What our company
manages to do
661
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,560
is extremely beneficial in all
spheres of the Internet.
662
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,080
We managed to reduce
the analysis time
663
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,160
of a video from 5 minutes
to only a few seconds.
664
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,960
Do you know what this means?
665
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,520
I'll tell you.
666
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,320
It means that in the
years to come,
667
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,680
our AI will reach the
performance of analyzing
668
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,120
hundreds of thousands of videos
and posts in a fraction of a second
669
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,040
and filter all this content.
670
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,360
However,
671
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,760
for all of this, we need people
672
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,760
to manually go through
673
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,920
huge libraries of content.
674
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,400
As you may already realize,
this is a titanic work.
675
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:17,120
Work that had to be supported by the
imposition of productivity quotas,
676
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,880
which is absolutely
normal in any company.
677
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,120
On the other hand, we are
extremely grateful to our employees
678
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,720
for all the support they gave us
and for their efforts
679
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,520
to create these successes.
680
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Moreover, there are people in this company
681
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,240
who are perfectly aware of
the fruits of their labor
682
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,480
and who are even proud that
they managed to put their shoulder
683
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,360
to the creation
of a better world, after all.
684
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,000
Are you saying you have
employees who are excited
685
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,200
to watch rape and crime videos?
686
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,840
I think you are misinterpreting my words.
687
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,360
No, I want to understand.
688
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,880
And I want to tell
you that yes, indeed
689
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,080
there are people who really
believe in what we do
690
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,240
and who understood and
accepted that a sacrifice is needed
691
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,720
to be able to fulfill our mission.
692
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,400
And when this sacrifice
becomes a trauma...
693
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,240
- Do you have any other questions?
- Yes, I have a few more.
694
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,960
OK, send them via e-mail.
695
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,920
Thank you very much.
696
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,960
I will call someone from
the administration to help you
697
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,200
wrap the equipment
and to take you outside.
698
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,120
- Thank you. Good day!
- I understand. Thank you as well!
699
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,320
Do you think you have managed to provide
the necessary support to employees?
700
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,960
{\an8}- No.
- Why?
701
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,880
{\an8}Because the hours of therapy allocated
according to the contract were very few.
702
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,880
I think that they would have been
enough for 5 or 6 employees.
703
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,280
While there were about
50 in that department.
704
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,080
And who was keeping track
of the therapy hours?
705
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,680
You or those from the medical network?
706
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,480
Theoretically, the medical network had
to take care of the administrative part,
707
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,680
except that those from the company
wanted to be very involved in the process.
708
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,240
Thus they made the calendar.
709
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,640
What do you mean?
710
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,240
I mean the HR department was doing
the scheduling and informing us.
711
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,400
And I have the feeling that they
were interfering with it.
712
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,200
And they were deciding who should
come to the therapy in that month.
713
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Is it normal?
714
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,520
Isn't that an intrusion
in the therapy process?
715
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,000
- Are they even allowed to...?
- Yes, it is. They shouldn't.
716
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,240
We opposed to such practices.
717
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,840
We complained to the medical network.
718
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,760
We threatened to stop
the collaboration. But...
719
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,600
- And did they stop?
- No.
720
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,840
They kept it going until an
extreme situation was reached.
721
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,960
In the sense that, at some
point, they asked us for reports
722
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,920
about what was discussed in the
therapy sessions with their employees.
723
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,800
- Wow!
- Yeah...
724
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Of course, we invoked the
patient confidentiality.
725
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,200
We complained again
to the medical network
726
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,640
and we had the idea to complain to
the Board of Psychologists.
727
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,240
And what happened?
728
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,240
The action turned against us.
729
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,440
And by that I mean that
730
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,720
the medical network didn't want
to lose such an important client.
731
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,600
They stopped working with us
732
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,360
and the complaint from the
Board of psychologists was rejected
733
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,880
by a colleague who...
734
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:51,840
who two months later got the
contract with the medical network
735
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,400
and ended up working
with Futura AI himself.
736
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,120
Unbelievable!
737
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,760
Yes?
738
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,200
- Hello! Excuse us!
- Hello!
739
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,080
I'll bother you for a minute
740
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:08,360
I would like to talk about the fire
from the 23rd of May, from Futura AI.
741
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,240
{\an8}I'm sorry, I finished the program.
Please, come back tomorrow.
742
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,000
{\an8}As I told you,
I'm investigating Futura AI
743
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,960
and I would like to know if
the Territorial Labor Inspectorate
744
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,120
is aware of these facts.
745
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,200
Yes, of course.
746
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,440
Come back tomorrow and we will
discuss if you make an appointment.
747
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,640
It will only take 2 or 3 minutes.
748
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,840
Following the discussions
with some employees,
749
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,720
I discovered a series
of psychological abuses.
750
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,440
Yes, I read your e-mail.
751
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,880
In short, I analyzed the files
752
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,160
and I didn't find any investigation
related to a similar accusation.
753
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,480
In order to have an investigation,
the former or actual employees
754
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,240
should make a series of complaints.
755
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,520
I have at least 6 testimonies related
to possible abuses within the company.
756
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Yes, I understand your approach,
757
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,440
but it is a journalistic approach,
not a legal one.
758
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,720
It cannot be the basis
for an investigation.
759
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,800
As I told you, for this
to have happened,
760
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,600
the former employees would
have had to call us directly
761
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,560
and we would have
came to investigate.
762
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,960
Or the actual employees,
if they wish to do so,
763
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,040
can file a complaint anytime
and we will come to investigate.
764
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Otherwise, you
won't do anything?
765
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,600
There is no complaint,
so there cannot be an investigation.
766
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:22,200
Moreover, from the interactions
we had with this company,
767
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
there are no suspicions that
it is a dishonest employer.
768
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,840
They always pay their
employees' taxes on time, there
769
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,680
are no suspicions that
they had illegal employees,
770
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,280
they comply with all safety
and labor protection regulations.
771
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaking of safety rules,
772
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,920
did you investigate the presence
of the employee in the server room
773
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,640
where the fire took place?
774
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,720
Yes, there was an
inspection after the fire.
775
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360
Well, you said that you did
not make any inspection.
776
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,040
From your email, I understood
that you need information
777
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,520
related to an investigation regarding
certain psychological abuses.
778
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,360
The fire is a different
kind of incident.
779
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,600
You are right.
Let's go back to the fire.
780
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,040
What did you find out
after the inspection?
781
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,920
As I noted in the file I forwarded
to the Prosecutor's Office,
782
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,240
the employee had nothing to
do at that time, in that place.
783
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,160
The safety rules were
briefed two months ago.
784
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,440
We also have his signatures
on the instruction sheet.
785
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,520
We also checked the
internal order regulations.
786
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,600
It is written there that the employee
should inform his superiors
787
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,160
about his location in the
company's headquarters.
788
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,640
And all the security areas where he
had access were very clearly defined.
789
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,240
Eremia wrote a series of posts, almost
ten, in which he expressed his doubts
790
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,080
about the influence that
AI will have on our society.
791
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,720
It is clear that his ideological
approach is influenced by his religion.
792
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,880
And I want to give you an
example from a longer post.
793
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,480
"When we give the AI the
power to make decisions,
794
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,280
to decide what is
good and what is bad,
795
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,440
we renounce
assuming our own sins.
796
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,960
The AI tells us if we are wrong and we
no longer take blame for this process.
797
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,000
Although we believe that
we will build a better world,
798
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,160
in fact, we destroy the one
we have without realizing it."
799
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,800
It is not just a general post about AI,
it is clearly a reference
800
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,120
to the AI developed by Futura AI,
801
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,960
which, as he believed, will decide for us
802
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,200
what is good and what is
bad and what constitutes a sin.
803
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,280
Something happened in
Eremia's mind, that's for sure.
804
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,200
He started to question what
he was doing at work
805
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,480
and when he became vocal
and especially public,
806
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
he got into a conflict with his employer.
807
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,160
The same source also told me that
Eremia was reprimanded for these posts
808
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,840
and what's more, he
was forced to delete them.
809
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,840
I found a few other things.
810
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,840
I want to ask you about
Eremia's social media posts.
811
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,760
{\an8}Yes, the only thing is thatright now I am very busy,
812
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,960
{\an8}and I don't think it's a discussionthat we could have on the phone.
813
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,280
Ah, does that mean we can meet?
814
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,800
I think it would be best ifI send you an e-mail
815
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,440
to let you know when we can schedulea discussion or an interview
816
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,040
- ...or however you call it.- Great. Thank you very much!
817
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,760
Well, at least I got a promise,
over the phone
818
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,080
that she will write me an e-mail
819
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,080
in which she will let me know
when she has the time to meet with us.
820
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:36,880
All good.
821
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,880
{\an8}We've all read Asimov. He always
started from the Laws of Robotics,
822
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,760
{\an8}which were designed so that
humankind would never be harmed
823
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,240
{\an8}by the artificial entities that it built.
824
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,040
{\an8}Of course, we should not look at
the problem in such a fatalistic way.
825
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,080
But, we are at the
beginning of a revolution
826
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,320
and if we don't build
everything on solid ground,
827
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,160
in a few years we will not
be able to control this process.
828
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,360
What do you mean,
more precisely?
829
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,480
Let's look, for example, at
what happened with social media.
830
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,840
The initial promise was that it
would bring us closer to each other.
831
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,800
But with no control of the process
and ethical thinking behind it,
832
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,040
we ended up with
the slip-ups of today.
833
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,440
Instead of having social connection,
we have division and conflict.
834
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:22,520
And what do you think is the biggest
problem in the development of AI?
835
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,960
The promise that AI is coming
with is that it will help humanity
836
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,240
progress to the next level of
cultural and spiritual evolution.
837
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,240
In reality, all these products
are owned by some corporations.
838
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,320
What is the main purpose of a corporation?
839
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,920
It is to make a profit and then
distribute it to shareholders
840
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,640
in the form of dividends.
841
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,000
This is where the first
level of conflict appears.
842
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,640
If a company were to face a
decision and had to choose
843
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,880
whether to give larger
dividends to its shareholders
844
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,680
or cut profits to build a safer AI.
845
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,200
- What would it choose?
- To cut profits.
846
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,960
You said this is the first
level. What is the next level?
847
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,960
The next level is the market competition.
848
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,880
All these companies develop
AIs that fight on the same segment.
849
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Again, if you run such a company,
what do you choose to do?
850
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,400
Would you take, for example,
a decision
851
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,440
that would propel you
beyond your competition,
852
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,200
sacrificing the morality
and ethics necessary
853
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,040
for the development
of a healthy AI?
854
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,080
- Hello, yes?- Hello! Good day!
855
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,600
{\an8}- Natalia?- Hello. Hm... yes!?
856
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,000
{\an8}I'm Gabriel Vรขnฤtoru,
an independent journalist.
857
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,280
{\an8}I'm doing a story, well, an investigation
about Eremia ลขofan,
858
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,920
I don't know if you heard about him.
859
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,760
I know you are a member
of the "Holy Trinity" Community,
860
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,840
and I wanted to know
more about this community
861
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,600
and about how Eremia
integrated into it, among you.
862
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,760
- Can we talk?- I see.
863
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,360
Unfortunately, you should know that I nolonger belong to that church community.
864
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,080
- I see.- I don't want to talk about it either.
865
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,360
- And about...- But about Eremia, did you know him?
866
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,760
Yes... regarding Eremia... Of course,I heard about the incident but...
867
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,200
... I don't want to comment on this.
868
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,840
I understand.
869
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,240
Yes, I will ask you to excuse me.I can't talk anymore.
870
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,360
Are you aware that Eremia had a series
of posts in which he expressed
871
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,240
{\an8}his dissatisfaction with the ethics
behind your AI program...
872
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,360
{\an8}Yes.
873
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,600
{\an8}...and that he was forced to delete them?
874
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,240
Yes, we know everything
about the story of Eremia's posts.
875
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,240
However, to better
understand our position
876
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,320
we will take a step back.
877
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,520
Two years ago, Eremia went through
a process of religious reorientation.
878
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:04,800
We support the right of private life of
our employees and religious freedom.
879
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,120
However, following these changes,
880
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,600
Eremia became much more vocal
and started making his opinions public.
881
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,520
Are you referring to these posts?
882
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,400
Beyond these posts,
there were many moments
883
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,200
when in the office, in
front of other employees,
884
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,600
Eremia began to show
doubts about our activity.
885
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,360
You claim to be a progressive company.
886
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,240
Don't you support
freedom of expression?
887
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,040
Yes, we do. We support
freedom of expression
888
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,840
and the right to
religious freedom.
889
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,040
However, when you are an
employee of a stock listed company,
890
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:47,080
you have to be aware of their
public stance about certain topics.
891
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,600
Yes, but Eremia was no Elon Musk,
892
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,120
to afffect international markets
with a Twitter post.
893
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,000
He was just an employee.
894
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Yes, but you have to understand
895
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,360
that a company that develops AI
896
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,640
is permanently under the scrutiny of
the press and the scientific community.
897
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,040
If an employee comes forward and says
that a mistake is being made here
898
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,520
that will have worldwide repercussions,
899
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,720
then by our front door The Guardian or
The New York Times or both will show up.
900
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,240
In addition, Eremia had signed
confidentiality agreements
901
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,680
that prohibited him from making
such conflicting opinions public.
902
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,120
So, you support all opinions
903
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,360
as long as they are aligned
with the company's policy?
904
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,720
No, that's not the point.
905
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,760
We really support all the
opinions of our employees
906
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,960
even when they are
critical of us, I assure you.
907
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,680
And then why was it necessary for Eremia
to be reprimanded by the HR department?
908
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,960
Reprimanded is a
very exaggerated term.
909
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,800
The process itself is very trite.
910
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,600
The HR team sends an e-mail
911
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,280
reminding you of the confidentiality
agreements that you signed
912
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,960
and you are asked to take
these clauses into account
913
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,480
when you make a public post.
914
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,920
We can call it "guidance for the
future" rather than a reprimand.
915
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,840
Yes, it sounds much nicer.
916
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,240
- Here's how I see it, okay?
- OK,
917
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,560
An employee who had conflicts with
the HR department and the top management
918
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,720
gets right in the middle of a fire.
919
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,560
What do you think?
920
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,720
Okay, I will tell you for
the thousandth time.
921
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,840
Behind this fire there were a
series of unfortunate events.
922
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,680
It may seem strange
considering Eremia's history
923
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,280
but he had nothing
to do with the fire.
924
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,280
Except the fact
that he died in it.
925
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,680
Should I understand
that we are finished?
926
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:41,960
No. I want to ask
you something else.
927
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,200
If everything is so clear,
928
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,760
why did I have to look for sources
to find out all this information?
929
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,440
Why didn't you come forth from
the start with all the information
930
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,880
and say how it happened?
931
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,280
Because if we went public and talked
about all these contradicting opinions
932
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,280
between Eremia and our company,
933
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,760
opinions based on this religious
reorientation process,
934
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,280
then we would have caused a scandal
935
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,600
that I don't know
how we could have put an end to.
936
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,920
That would have also
involved Eremia's church
937
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,560
which had nothing to
do with this whole story.
938
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,800
And you know for sure how the
Baptist communities are perceived here.
939
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,040
They are seen as sectarians, or members
of a cult, or loonatics, or whatever.
940
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,720
And beyond this, Eremia's
image would have been tarnished.
941
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,520
But, Eremia really was an
exemplary employee.
942
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,480
And probably the tabloid press
would have portrayed him
943
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,320
as a kind of religious fundamentalist
944
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,800
who started some kind of
crusade against technology.
945
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,120
And Eremia was not
this kind of person.
946
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,960
- So, you actually protected him.
- Yes.
947
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,280
Yes, our actions were based
on our feelings towards him.
948
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,440
And despite all those
contradicting opinions,
949
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,800
Eremia was never considered less important
950
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,680
after all these events.
951
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,400
And then, when all the
Facebook posts madness was over,
952
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,760
he continued to be one of
our most productive employees.
953
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,480
So, I don't understand why
all this fuss is being made
954
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,120
based on some simple Facebook posts.
955
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,560
Eremia was one of our parishioners.
956
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,840
{\an8}A very good person.
957
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,040
{\an8}Whose loss we will alway
feel in our hearts.
958
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Do you remember how you met him?
959
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,360
He came to us.
960
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,640
It was...
961
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,320
at a time when he was very lost.
962
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,440
He couldn't find his way.
963
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,280
I think he felt very lonely.
964
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,120
But God sometimes does
things in ways you don't expect.
965
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,280
And one day he received a
flyer on the street from our church.
966
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,160
And he listened to his soul. And he
came to us, to the Sunday service.
967
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,880
And I think he felt that here
he could find a second home.
968
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,880
We are a very open community
and we welcome anyone.
969
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,240
Eremia had a certain distance.
970
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,280
The church was
clearly doing him good,
971
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,120
{\an8}but there was a reluctance
in him to get closer to us.
972
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,960
We hoped that as time passed,
this barrier would disappear.
973
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,480
After all, you can't
change yourself overnight.
974
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,120
Of course.
975
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,640
Did you manage to got closer to him
976
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,320
to find out more about his life?
977
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,760
At one point,
about two years ago,
978
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,280
Eremia came to the Sunday service
and he seemed very upset.
979
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,920
It seemed that he was carrying the burden
of the whole world on his shoulders.
980
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,480
It hurt my soul to see him like this.
981
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,920
And after the service, I asked
him to come to my place
982
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,640
and to have lunch with my family.
983
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,840
Only after lunch, after a few hours,
984
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,600
he calmed down and told
me what was on his mind.
985
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,840
From what I understood, he
was working at an IT company.
986
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,280
And he had to watch videos with
violent content for several hours.
987
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,520
Exactly.
988
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440
Eremia considered that
989
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,800
it would be a great sin if
he continued to work for them.
990
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,400
Did you manage to find out
more details about his work?
991
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,320
At the same time, he told me that
the employer treated them quite badly.
992
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,400
They had to work many unpaid hours
993
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,760
and many of his colleagues resigned
994
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,760
because of the stress
they were subjected to.
995
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,360
And did you give him any advice?
996
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Yes, I told him to
leave immediately.
997
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,280
That was clearly
not a place to stay.
998
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,800
And again, I realized
what a good man he was.
999
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,720
One of the reasons why he didn't
leave was that he strongly believed
1000
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,920
that his and his colleagues' work
would make the world a better place.
1001
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,720
That was also his dilemma.
1002
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,800
He felt that he was
committing sins every day,
1003
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,280
but he believed that his
sins would be forgiven
1004
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,000
because he was contributing to something
greater: to everyone's well-being.
1005
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,160
And did he ever tell you in detail
1006
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,920
how he suspected his
work would be used,
1007
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,400
and what were the evil
purposes he feared?
1008
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,520
There was another
problem here because
1009
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:33,280
everything was more of a
hunch from his intuition.
1010
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,880
He knew that if he went to
talk to someone about this...
1011
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,400
- ...they would ask for evidence, proof.
- Yes.
1012
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,720
And Eremia wasn't a detective.
1013
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,480
He was only...
1014
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,240
observing what
was happening and...
1015
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,840
he had started to have the feeling that
something was about to happen.
1016
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,840
- Is it on?
- Yes.
1017
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,000
Besides the interviews
with the former employees,
1018
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,120
I decided to investigate
another lead in parallel.
1019
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,280
I've just received the
expertise reports
1020
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,520
and the fire plans necessary
for the operating permits.
1021
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,640
At first glance, nothing seems strange
or illegal. On the contrary,
1022
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,120
they support the official version.
1023
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,680
But maybe it's normal,
because I also got information
1024
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,040
about the company that
issued these documents.
1025
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,200
The company is called
Safety Experts SRL,
1026
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,240
with the main shareholder
one Mrs. Maria Popa,
1027
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,640
who is also the
company's administrator.
1028
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,880
If that doesn't sound
familiar, it did for me...
1029
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,720
and a few Facebook
searches later
1030
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,600
Mrs. Maria Popa is none other
than the wife of Adrian Popa,
1031
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,760
investigative officer
of the fire brigade,
1032
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,800
the same officer who
made the fire report,
1033
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,200
same report which was used by
the Prosecutor's Office.
1034
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,800
Does the scheme
seem familiar to you?
1035
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,440
I'm a state employee
so I'm not allowed to
1036
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,200
work with private companies,
but my wife can.
1037
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,440
So, we make a company
under the name of the wife
1038
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,440
and we use the agency of the
husband to promise our clients
1039
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,760
that they will get operating
permits much easier.
1040
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000
A conflict of interest,
by the book.
1041
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Let's go to mfinance.ro
1042
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,280
to see what we can find
about Safety Experts.
1043
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,000
Let's see how experts they are.
1044
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,360
I want to see what they did in 2022.
1045
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,000
881,000 RON profit.
1046
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,440
Wow!
1047
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,600
7 employees.
1048
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,240
Wow! Interesting!
1049
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:17,800
I'm calling Maria Popa, the
administrator of Safety Experts.
1050
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,240
Let's call her husband too,
Adrian Popa,
1051
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,960
the firefighter officer.
1052
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,240
If he also doesn't answer,
then it's obvious...
1053
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,320
they are together at the movies.
1054
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,800
The line is busy at the moment.Please try again later.
1055
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,320
So it is.
1056
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,120
That's also some kind of answer.
1057
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,920
I know that for a while,
for the first time in my life,
1058
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,480
{\an8}I ended up having insomnia.
1059
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,360
{\an8}And when I managed to fall asleep,
I often had all kinds of weird dreams,
1060
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:11,560
{\an8}nightmares, stuff.
1061
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,240
{\an8}And I linked them with my work.
1062
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,280
{\an8}I believed that was the reason
1063
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,960
and I was very close to resigning.
1064
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,360
But just when I was
ready to go do it,
1065
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,000
they changed the content at work
and things relaxed a bit.
1066
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,320
What we were watching until then
were extremely violent videos.
1067
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,080
And suddenly they focused
on much lighter things.
1068
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,600
They were still with
violence and stuff
1069
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,680
but they were more
bearable than before.
1070
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,160
I mean, now we were
watching stuff like
1071
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,560
gendarmerie beating
people in the street,
1072
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,360
the police shooting rubber
bullets into crowds...
1073
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,080
Tolerable stuff, you know?
1074
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,280
Protesters with signs...
1075
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,200
And this change
1076
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,920
had a positive effect for
the whole department.
1077
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,400
People were more relaxed, they
stopped resigning one after another.
1078
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,880
Even the managers
were more ok.
1079
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,680
Do you remember how Eremia
reacted to this change in content?
1080
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,120
To be honest, I didn't
really understand Eremia.
1081
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,760
I also can't say I was
very close to him, but...
1082
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,760
the thing is, at the beginning, when
the work was bad, really hardcore,
1083
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,480
he was coming to work, he didn't say
anything, he did his job,
1084
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,560
he was hitting the target,
getting the bonus,
1085
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,720
he was very disciplined and quiet.
1086
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,080
The thing is, at some
point, he went through...
1087
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,480
a conversion, or
something religious.
1088
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,520
And from that point on,
he started to...
1089
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,880
out of the blue, have all kinds
of speeches, you know?
1090
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,040
He would come, you were having a
cigarette, minding your own business,
1091
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,640
and he would say things about God,
religion, ethics, morality...
1092
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,000
And what I found the
weirdest was that
1093
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,160
when this change
of content came,
1094
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,920
everyone, as I said,
was more relaxed and chill
1095
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,720
but the only one who was
frustrated was Eremia.
1096
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,640
He was always more
attentive than us
1097
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,640
to what the company was doing,
to what was happening around us.
1098
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,680
{\an8}That's why he had problems with the HR,
1099
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,280
{\an8}because of the infamous posts on Facebook.
1100
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,360
During the content change,
1101
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,560
there were also other events
that we completely ignored,
1102
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,560
but he always highlighted them.
1103
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,800
Can you tell some
of those events?
1104
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,400
For example, a series of
visits from some Asians.
1105
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,200
We didn't really care, we were always
seeing foreigners around the company.
1106
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,040
And they never told us who they
were or what they were doing.
1107
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,000
We thought they were given
presentations about our AI.
1108
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,480
But Eremia was saying that
1109
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,320
there definitely is something
wrong with those Chinese guests.
1110
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,360
We thought that was because
of his religion
1111
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:51,560
and that's why he was behaving like that.
1112
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,000
But when about four people
who spoke Mandarin were hired
1113
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,200
to assist with those visits,
1114
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,800
to help keep in touch with the Asians...
1115
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,200
then Eremia became
even more apprehensive.
1116
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,720
Did he have a theory?
1117
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,520
He started telling us
that the AI we developed
1118
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,320
was going to have
a different purpose.
1119
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,680
He said it would be bought
by an authoritarian government
1120
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,880
that would use it as a tool of
censorship, to control the population.
1121
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,960
And you?
What did you think?
1122
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,880
Well, the man kept
saying weird stuff for a while
1123
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,240
and I didn't care too much about it.
1124
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,840
There were some
colleagues who seemed
1125
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,200
to listen to him more, to whisper
stuff along, but usually,
1126
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,280
people didn't really care for it.
1127
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,800
We were happy that the
content was much lighter
1128
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,280
and there was no need
for extra stress.
1129
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,640
I see.
1130
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,000
But what about the
company's management?
1131
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,000
I think it bothered them a bit, 'cause
I know there was talk at one point
1132
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,680
that his speeches
even became
1133
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,840
a topic of discussion in
upper management meetings.
1134
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,640
And yes, it makes sense
if you think about it.
1135
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,880
If you are such a corporation,
1136
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,480
you really don't need some dude
with a Messiah complex.
1137
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,520
It seems that he was...
1138
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,720
kind of alone in this process, right?
1139
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,760
Eremia was not 100% coherent.
1140
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,480
I mean, we couldn't
fully believe him either.
1141
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,280
Even if his theory made some sense...
1142
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,800
he kept mixing it with
the religion, with ethics...
1143
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,280
you no longer understood
what he wanted to say
1144
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,000
and what the
problem was after all.
1145
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,960
So, we have the complete
change of content for moderation.
1146
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,600
This, of course, meant
much less stress for the team.
1147
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:37,160
Up at the offices, behind closed doors,
this change had more ramifications.
1148
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,920
Most likely, those from Futura were
preparing the ground for the new client.
1149
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:48,040
And Eremia's guess was that the next
client would be the Chinese government.
1150
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,400
Those from Futura had been
playing the religion card.
1151
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,600
They didn't even mention
this change of content.
1152
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,160
Where is Twitter?
1153
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,160
Where are those big companies that
were in dire need of their AI?
1154
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,640
They say that Eremia was criticizing
them because he had discovered God
1155
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,920
and because he had a problem
with technological evolution.
1156
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:15,560
But if those from PR are hiding
the real reasons for his protests,
1157
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:22,320
it means that his fear that the AI would
be sold to some dictators, was true.
1158
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,800
Why wouldn't this AI be used
by an authoritarian government
1159
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,720
to censor the videos
in which it was criticized,
1160
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,800
or especially possible protests?
1161
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:38,000
All these things add up
and build for us a picture
1162
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,640
that moves further and further away
from the hypothesis of an accident.
1163
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,000
I'll be frank. Do you know anything
about the new main client
1164
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,160
{\an8}that was going to
benefit from the AI?
1165
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,680
{\an8}I hope you didn't forget that I
have a confidentiality clause
1166
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,680
{\an8}and I can't discuss
the current policy of the company.
1167
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,440
But honestly, I really
don't know anything.
1168
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,720
Except for the fact that I
have some shares there,
1169
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,080
I don't keep in touch with
those from the company.
1170
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,560
I've heard some rumors
1171
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,120
that the AI will be sold to an
authoritarian government from Asia.
1172
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,680
If we are talking about rumors,
I have heard...
1173
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,520
that the selling of Twitter to Elon Musk
hit them pretty hard.
1174
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,360
The first thing that Musk
did when he took over
1175
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,880
was to kick out all the
external contractors.
1176
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,000
And after that, to terminate all the
big contracts with technology providers.
1177
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,440
Anyway, Musk is not a big
fan of the idea of moderation.
1178
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,160
So, he cut all ties with
the people from Futura.
1179
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,280
And why didn't this
make the news?
1180
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,160
In the pile of stupid things
Musk was doing every day,
1181
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,000
do you think someone
had the time to look at
1182
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,680
all the people who were
fired, or who lost a contract?
1183
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,840
But this helped Futura.
1184
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Why?
1185
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,840
They're keeping their
heads above water.
1186
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,440
If the press doesn't know
about the closing of the contract,
1187
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,360
the shares will remain
at a decent level.
1188
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,360
The only thing they have
to do is to find another client
1189
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,560
before they publish
the next financial results.
1190
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,160
And do you think
they have a chance?
1191
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,240
Very little chance.
1192
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,600
Facebook is already
working on its own AI,
1193
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,680
which will also solve
the moderation part.
1194
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,680
Google is also doing some
experiments in this direction.
1195
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,480
Well, there is still TikTok,
which is originally from...
1196
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,000
- China.
- Exactly.
1197
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:18,240
But, unfortunately, they don't
care what happens on their platform
1198
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,640
as long as the algorithm
works and they make money.
1199
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,280
Plus, in Asia it's pretty cheap to
hire people to do manual moderation.
1200
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,640
So, the scenario of an authoritarian
government... Do you think it's plausible?
1201
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:31,440
Theoretically, yes.
1202
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,800
Without Twitter, they
practically have nothing.
1203
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,040
And they seemed
pretty desperate
1204
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,880
and profit driven enough
to sell to anyone.
1205
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,680
We tried not to reveal
too much to the press
1206
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,840
{\an8}about Eremia's behavior.
1207
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,360
{\an8}Because we knew
he would depicted as a
1208
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,480
{\an8}religious fundamentalist,
and his image would be tarnished.
1209
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,640
Yes, I know about this
communication approach.
1210
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,520
I can't say I agree with it,
but that's another problem.
1211
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,720
I'm interested to know,
more specifically,
1212
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,160
which were his interactions with
the HR department before the incident.
1213
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,440
Eremia was, until the end,
an exemplary employee.
1214
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,280
We have nothing
to criticize him for.
1215
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,200
He believed in what
we are doing here.
1216
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:35,960
And he dedicated many years to
help us fulfill the vision of Futura AI.
1217
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:37,560
So, if he was an
exemplary employee,
1218
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,520
why did he constantly
receive reprimands?
1219
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,200
I don't want to ruin
Eremia's memory, but...
1220
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,840
Yes, towards the end, collaborating
with him was very difficult.
1221
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,760
What do you mean by difficult?
Can you elaborate?
1222
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,600
His religious conversion was
the key factor in his change.
1223
01:08:55,200 --> 01:09:00,680
After that, Eremia became
very vocal about ethical issues
1224
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,040
and how that was affecting
the AI we are building.
1225
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,040
- And was he right?
- That was his opinion, that's all.
1226
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,320
And yet, from the
interviews I did with
1227
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,360
internal sources
from your company,
1228
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,200
his complaints in the last
year were of a different nature.
1229
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:18,880
I don't understand
what you mean.
1230
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,480
You don't know?
Let me tell you.
1231
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,840
During the last few months,
Eremia was convinced
1232
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,840
that the AI developed by you
1233
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,280
will be sold to an authoritarian
government from Asia.
1234
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,000
I've never heard this story before.
1235
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,400
Anyway, it's something I would
categorize as conspiracy theory.
1236
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,520
There are colleagues who can confirm that
Eremia publicly supported this theory.
1237
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,120
As I mentioned, Eremia was
going through a period
1238
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:46,360
in which his opinions were strongly
influenced by his religious ideology.
1239
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,560
And he became very vocal
1240
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:55,360
and repeatedly violated the
confidentiality clauses in his contract.
1241
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,320
We tried to understand him,
to respect his religious orientation,
1242
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:03,080
the right to express his opinions,
1243
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:04,920
but there comes a
moment when
1244
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,360
we are either in the same boat
or we are on different paths.
1245
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,920
But Eremia didn't want this.
1246
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,440
Anyway, he also had
his unique stubbornness.
1247
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,120
He didn't want to understand
other points of view.
1248
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,000
It seems to me that you
are still using his religion
1249
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,960
to minimize, and lump
together, all his complaints.
1250
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,000
Although the fear that AI
might fall into the hands of
1251
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,640
some forces with less than noble
intentions was a valid one.
1252
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,520
I haven't been informed of
anything like that regarding Eremia.
1253
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,040
There are witnesses
who can attest
1254
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,080
that the department you are leading
tried to stop him from speaking.
1255
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:44,120
Maybe you should check if
these witnesses can be trusted.
1256
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,120
They are your employees.
1257
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,880
Okay, we're entering a territory where
your questions sound like accusations.
1258
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,880
We have shared with you
all the materials you asked for.
1259
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,200
I accepted to participate
in this interview,
1260
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,920
but if you continue
with conspiracy theories,
1261
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,080
I will ask you to talk
to the legal department.
1262
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,720
- I still have some questions for you.
- Thank you. Have a good day!
1263
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,400
Eremia was very suspicious.
1264
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,440
{\an8}From the very beginning he
didn't agree with this change.
1265
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,400
{\an8}And when we got the visits
from the Chinese,
1266
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,280
{\an8}he started to make connections.
1267
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,280
Were there others who
believed in his theory?
1268
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:20,640
Yes, of course.
1269
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,600
There were many who, after
we got used to the new routine,
1270
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,480
started to question why we
receive that kind of videos.
1271
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,760
And what Eremia was saying,
his explanation, made sense.
1272
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,640
But it was like that thing: children
and fools always speak the truth.
1273
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,440
Even though what the man was saying
made sense, many saw him as a madman.
1274
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,640
Even though what the man was saying
made sense, many saw him as a madman.
1275
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,960
And because he paraded
around with this theory,
1276
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:49,360
the theory itself came to
be regarded as a crazy one.
1277
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,640
Besides the visits and the change
of content, were there other signs?
1278
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:56,720
There would be something else...
1279
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,360
At the same time,
they changed the terminals
1280
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,200
from which we viewed the content.
1281
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,200
We were complaining
about them for some time,
1282
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:05,960
that they got old,
but nothing was done.
1283
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,280
And suddenly we received
new phones and tablets.
1284
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,720
All from Chinese producers.
1285
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,080
How did Eremia react to
the change of terminals?
1286
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:21,160
He kept commenting all this time
that what was happening wasn't okay,
1287
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,920
and the thing with the devices made
him even more skeptical and vocal.
1288
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:31,360
But since he repeatedly criticized
the company's decisions
1289
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,400
and he contested the official
narrative of the corporation,
1290
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,280
he drew the fury of HR
and top management.
1291
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,320
And what did they do?
1292
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:43,320
They tried to isolate him, they
moved him around the office,
1293
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:47,640
they gave him many days of work from
home, when this was not yet in fashion.
1294
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,920
But Eremia was stubborn too.
1295
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:53,480
Because he also wrote back
e-mails to the top management.
1296
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,480
Until one day when
they called him in
1297
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,560
a meeting with the
entire team from legal.
1298
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,520
I think he stayed there
for about two hours.
1299
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:01,600
When he left, he was pale.
1300
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,840
And they forced him to
speak in front of everyone,
1301
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,000
in front of the
whole department
1302
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,160
and to apologize for spreading
false theories about the company.
1303
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:14,680
We received, from several
sources, a series of videos used
1304
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,560
to feed the AI from
Futura AI in the last period.
1305
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,360
Absolutely all of them
are real footage
1306
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,080
from the protests in Asia
in the last three years,
1307
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,880
including those in China,
against the COVID measures.
1308
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,240
We also received a series
of print screens with the reports
1309
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,760
that had to be completed by
the employees of the company.
1310
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,320
Some kind of captcha,
where you had to choose:
1311
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:40,320
"Please select all the
participants in the protest".
1312
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:45,280
And another one that said: "Please select
all the police forces in the protest".
1313
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:49,160
I believe more and more that
Eremia's intuition was correct.
1314
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,640
The possibility that
the AI could be used to
1315
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:58,360
supervise the citizens,
a kind of 1984, is very high.
1316
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:04,280
And because Eremia was vocal,
he became a target.
1317
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,720
Thank you very much for taking
the time to do this interview.
1318
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,600
Let's start with your name
and your postion.
1319
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,320
- Do I really have to?
- Yes, please.
1320
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,840
Hi! My name is Radu Dumitru,
I'm the CEO and co-founder of Futura AI.
1321
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,600
{\an8}I'm glad to be here for this interview.
1322
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,160
{\an8}Seriously? Your colleagues from PR
and HR weren't too excited to talk to me.
1323
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,400
Didn't they tell you anything?
1324
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,640
Although we were not
on the same page,
1325
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,160
you should know that we greatly appreciate
your effort for this investigation.
1326
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,560
I think this is the role of the press,
to show us the mistakes that
1327
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,720
we often ignore or are not aware of.
1328
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,440
- Was Eremia a mistake?
- Not at all.
1329
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,920
But I'm aware that this story
could have been managed better...
1330
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,080
- ...both for us and for Eremia's sake.
- For sure.
1331
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,840
I'd like to talk first about
the contract with Twitter.
1332
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,640
Is it true that it
disappeared overnight?
1333
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:32,160
I can't confirm or
deny this hypothesis.
1334
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:37,000
From my point of view, Twitter is
now facing a total chaotic management.
1335
01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:39,360
They try to restore the
order on the Internet
1336
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,760
by plugging and unplugging
the plug from the socket.
1337
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,200
You realize that in such a context,
1338
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,960
the situation of companies that
had large contracts with Twitter
1339
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,040
is a bit uncertain.
1340
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,360
Does this suggest that your company's
position is also somewhat uncertain?
1341
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,880
Not at all. We have one of the best AIs
for content moderation on the market.
1342
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,240
- And no client.
- No big client!
1343
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:01,600
These are two different things.
1344
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,880
Our AI product is already
used by several companies,
1345
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,360
which, of course, are not at the
level of Twitter's notoriety.
1346
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,400
I understand. From
the interviews that I've done,
1347
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,160
it seems that
Eremia had a theory.
1348
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,400
That your next client
1349
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,520
was going to be an authoritarian
government from Asia.
1350
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:25,960
Most likely the Chinese one,
1351
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,360
which was going to use your AI
1352
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,720
to supervise their citizens.
1353
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,680
I know. I've heard this
theory before and
1354
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,400
I can't categorize it other than
1355
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:40,960
a nonsensical idea.
1356
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,960
So how do you explain the fact
that Eremia and his colleagues
1357
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,600
have seen hundreds of videos
1358
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,680
in which protesters were
assaulted by the police?
1359
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,520
Our AI is enormously complex.
1360
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,480
We constantly have to test
some other capabilities,
1361
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,320
to continuously develop it.
1362
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:59,160
You are avoiding an answer...
1363
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,600
We are talking about reports that your
employees were supposed to fill precisely,
1364
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,600
with who are the protesters,
who are the police officers...
1365
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,520
Who needs such information?
1366
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,280
I don't know how to explain
to you right now
1367
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,480
what functions we were trying
to develop at that stage.
1368
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,760
It wasn't a phase!
There were entire months
1369
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,640
during which Eremia and
his colleagues watched
1370
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,680
all the videos of protests
in Asia from recent years.
1371
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,760
Including the anti-lockdown
ones from China.
1372
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:33,520
I understand your confusion, but I really
don't know why that was done, at the time.
1373
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,120
I'm CEO, I have more of a strategic role.
1374
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,640
I don't know what each employee,
does every day, at the task level.
1375
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,040
So, you are denying this theory?
1376
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:49,920
For confidentiality reasons, I cannot go
into details about our future customers.
1377
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:53,760
We are in a very laborious process
from a legal point of view.
1378
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,600
Although I would like to be able to
give you more information,
1379
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,200
because it would immediately
dissolve your theory, I can't.
1380
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,400
But in a year, two at most, we will
be able to share more information.
1381
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,440
Good.
Well, let's leave it like that.
1382
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,120
Let's move on to the next aspect.
1383
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,200
The company that helped you
1384
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,360
with the permits
for your headquarters,
1385
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,200
is administered, absolutely
coincidentally, I am sure,
1386
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:22,920
by the wife of the firefighter sent here
to investigate the causes of the fire.
1387
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,040
- Really?
- Yes.
1388
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,280
It's possible.
1389
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,840
I wasn't aware of this information
1390
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,720
and I realize that it may seem
like an incompatibility,
1391
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,240
but I think it's pure coincidence.
1392
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,920
Aren't there quite a lot of pure
coincidences in this whole situation?
1393
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,440
I'll be honest. I don't know who took care
of the permits when we moved here.
1394
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,320
I was never interested
in administrative problems.
1395
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,680
I always channeled my
energy and attention
1396
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,880
to the things that really
matter in this company.
1397
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:52,360
I understand.
1398
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,680
- Do you want to hear my theory?
- Of course, I'm really curious.
1399
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:57,600
I'm sure.
1400
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,120
Eremia was a model employee,
1401
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,440
who truly believed in your
story from the beginning,
1402
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,480
the one about better internet
and a world without evil.
1403
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:08,720
A bit naive, but...
1404
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,360
Precisely because he had this belief,
1405
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:17,120
and not at all from his religious
convictions, how you make it seem...
1406
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,120
when things went wrong,
he expressed his opinion.
1407
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,800
And for this opinion he was
systematically reduced to silence
1408
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,600
by the HR department
and by the top management.
1409
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,920
He was ostracized, humiliated,
1410
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,160
abused, and pushed to
the brink of the abyss.
1411
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,120
And because no one helped
him and no one believed him,
1412
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,160
he decided to seek
justice on his own.
1413
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,720
So most likely, he stole a card
1414
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:48,440
and caused the fire to destroy
the AI that was supposed to
1415
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:54,320
end up in a totalitarian country
and be used against its people.
1416
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,400
And in order to
cover up this story,
1417
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,600
you used all your connections,
1418
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,000
you drafted that expertise report
1419
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,840
that tells the story in a light
that favors and exonerates you.
1420
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,280
And within 24 hours,
the case was dismissed...
1421
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:15,120
and problem called
Eremia was closed forever.
1422
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,520
Quite literally.
1423
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,840
It's an interesting theory indeed. One
that could make it in a pretty good movie.
1424
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,320
But nothing more.
1425
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,680
What you are telling me now is
nothing more than a conspiracy theory,
1426
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,200
with the big evil corporation
trying to cover its tracks.
1427
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,840
Unfortunately, in reality things
are much simpler
1428
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:39,400
and more sad.
1429
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:42,400
Eremia was an exceptional
employee.
1430
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,040
Who at some point started
to have a more radical vision
1431
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,640
after being strongly influenced
by his affiliation to a religious cult.
1432
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,720
Did we have different
perspectives? Yes.
1433
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,760
But is this a reason to reach the
gravity of the events you described?
1434
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,560
Not at all.
1435
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,760
You're talking about an abuse
of the colleagues from HR.
1436
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,360
My colleagues respected
all the deontological norms.
1437
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,840
Especially Eremia's affiliation
to the religious cult.
1438
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,880
Those discussions were necessary for
the cohesion of the whole team.
1439
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,600
And especially to bring
Eremia back on track.
1440
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,760
By no means can you
categorize them as abuses.
1441
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,680
And coming back for the
thousand time at...
1442
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,120
that cursed fire...
1443
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,800
It was just a chain of unfavorable events.
1444
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:31,800
I know it's hard for you to...
1445
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,720
admit this, but sometimes
such things happen.
1446
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,560
Completely random and
with harmful consequences.
1447
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,200
So, the issue with my investigation
is that I'm making up scenarios
1448
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,960
and that I can't accept the
truth in front of me.
1449
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,080
Sorry for calling them
scenarios, but...
1450
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,240
Yes, you have a problem
in accepting the truth as it is.
1451
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,560
You're not alone. I
also have this problem.
1452
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,000
I relied on people like Eremia,
to be with me on this journey.
1453
01:21:56,440 --> 01:22:00,000
To see how our work would
eventually revolutionize the world.
1454
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,560
But it wasn't meant to be like that.
1455
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,880
He went on a different path
and reached a point where
1456
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,080
his religion was speaking for him.
1457
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,720
And it's hard for me to admit that
such a valuable person for our company
1458
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,160
has come to disregard
what we were doing here.
1459
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,040
Including his work, for which he
dedicated several years of his life.
1460
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:19,520
But...
1461
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,400
Theres nothing I can do.
1462
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,680
I have to admit that
it was my failure.
1463
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,720
It was my failure that I couldn't
keep Eremia in the team.
1464
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:30,880
And in the end,
1465
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:35,800
please understand that in this story
we lost more than an employee.
1466
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:38,400
What?
1467
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,600
The insurance company
1468
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,840
has already reimbursed you
for all the damages.
1469
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,320
And you must have backups.
1470
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,240
Probably on Chinese terminals.
1471
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,920
There aren't many documents
to attest to what happened.
1472
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,520
- There are these reprimands...
- Mhm.
1473
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,920
realised by the Human
Resources Department,
1474
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:26,080
but they are in accordance
with the current norms and laws.
1475
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,360
As far as the company's
legality is concerned,
1476
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,800
the company has an
irreproachable past.
1477
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,040
All taxes are paid on time,
1478
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,880
salaries are according to
employment contracts.
1479
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:45,080
And unfortunately, only these things
are of interest to the Romanian state.
1480
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,080
Yah. And the investigation
with the fire?
1481
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,240
- The one related to Eremia's death?
- Yes.
1482
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,880
The investigation
remains dismissed.
1483
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,320
It could indeed be reopened,
but only by the Prosecutor's Office.
1484
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:00,720
And the chances
of this happening are...
1485
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:03,000
are, unfortunately, almost zero.
1486
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,240
So, there is no chance that
this story will end up in court?
1487
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,760
There is the option of a civil trial.
1488
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,280
The family is suing the company.
1489
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,120
You have these testimonies,
they can be the base of a file.
1490
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,320
Yes, I've already spoken with them, and
they can't afford the costs, of course.
1491
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,520
But would they have any
chance of succeeding?
1492
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,480
We have to understand
that this is a corporation.
1493
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,880
A corporation that can hire
an entire floor of lawyers,
1494
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,400
who will find all the loopholes,
will drag things out,
1495
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,720
and postpone the process
at every opportunity.
1496
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,040
And then
1497
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,520
the chances of finding a panel of judges
who will give a favorable verdict
1498
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,280
are extremely slim
in such a case.
1499
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:54,640
After speaking with all the parties
involved, including the authorities,
1500
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,880
I believe my investigation
has reached a standstill.
1501
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,240
The discovery that the AI will be
sold to an authoritarian government
1502
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,560
doesn't interest anyone.
1503
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,960
Not even the abuses that
take place in that company.
1504
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,680
I have some testimonies
about which I am told
1505
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,840
that they are only
circumstantial evidence.
1506
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:19,640
So, my theory, which,
unfortunately, will only remain that,
1507
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:24,640
is that Eremia was pushed
to the point where his morality
1508
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,920
drove him to take
some foolish actions.
1509
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,600
The truth will remain hidden
1510
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,400
under a stack of social media posts,
1511
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,800
pompous press releases,
1512
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,960
and bureaucratic paperwork.
1513
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,800
An investigation by Gabriel Vรขnฤtoru
1514
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,240
camera: Bogdan Mihalache
1515
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,920
editing:
Gabriel Vรขnฤtoru & Bogdan Mihalache
1516
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,240
What are you doing? Are you
filming this historical moment?
1517
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,080
- Do you want anything else?
- No, no.
1518
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,280
Then I'll add the ending
credits and we're done.
1519
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:29,920
Done.
1520
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,400
It's public.
1521
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:32,760
From now on, good luck.
1522
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,080
2,453!
1523
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,600
Good. Very good!
1524
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,520
42,000 and some small change.
1525
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,080
It's doing much better
than the previous one.
1526
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,080
Let's check what's trending.
1527
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,400
We are on the 8th
place in trending!
1528
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,440
That's it! It's gone viral!
1529
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,400
At least our efforts
weren't in vain.
1530
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:17,520
Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!
1531
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,480
What's this?
1532
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,440
Come here for a moment.
1533
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,720
Come here for a moment! Please!
1534
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,480
Video unavailable.
What is this?
1535
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,920
- I don't know, man.
- What is this?
1536
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,280
Did we do something wrong?
1537
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,320
"Sorry, this page is..."
1538
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,760
I can't believe this!
1539
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,120
Go to your computer
and check! Try incognito.
1540
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,000
God forbid!
1541
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:00,920
I got an e-mail.
1542
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,760
"Dear Gabriel, we regret to
inform you that your account
1543
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,680
has repeatedly violated the
uploading guidelines of our platf..."
1544
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:10,240
For fucks sake!
1545
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,440
"After careful analysis, we have decided
to permanently close your account.
1546
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,040
This decision is irreversible."
1547
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,680
I can't believe it!
1548
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,280
"Without any possibility..."
Does it work for you?
1549
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:23,120
No, I can't find anything.
1550
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:24,520
- Not even the account.
- Incredibile.
1551
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,600
"We encourage you to..."
You encourage, my ass...
1552
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,960
"Thank you for the time
you spent on our platform."
1553
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,440
Who has the power to
do something like this?
1554
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,240
So, they closed down all our accounts.
1555
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,000
Shit!
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