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Yes, good to speak to you again, Vommy.

Yes, good to speak to you again, Vommy.
I hope you're safe. I hope you're doing

I hope you're safe. I hope you're doing

I hope you're safe. I hope you're doing
okay.

okay.

okay.
Frankly speaking, I don't have many

Frankly speaking, I don't have many

Frankly speaking, I don't have many
opportunities to speak to the Dutch

opportunities to speak to the Dutch

opportunities to speak to the Dutch
audience. We are now on the verge of

audience. We are now on the verge of

audience. We are now on the verge of
this NATO summit. The mainstream media

this NATO summit. The mainstream media

this NATO summit. The mainstream media
regrettably is not interested to

regrettably is not interested to

regrettably is not interested to
have the Russian point of view on

have the Russian point of view on

have the Russian point of view on
developments.

developments.

developments.
Russia and Ukraine are two brotherly

Russia and Ukraine are two brotherly

Russia and Ukraine are two brotherly
nations, two brotherly peoples.

nations, two brotherly peoples.

nations, two brotherly peoples.
2022, that's not correct. War started in

2022, that's not correct. War started in

2022, that's not correct. War started in
2014.

2014.

2014.
Shelling of Lugansk and Detsk by the

Shelling of Lugansk and Detsk by the

Shelling of Lugansk and Detsk by the
Ukrainian forces was also instigated and

Ukrainian forces was also instigated and

Ukrainian forces was also instigated and
helped by the CIA as well. Yeah,

helped by the CIA as well. Yeah,

helped by the CIA as well. Yeah,
certainly. Certainly. Weapons of mass

certainly. Certainly. Weapons of mass

certainly. Certainly. Weapons of mass
destructions. They were never found. The

destructions. They were never found. The

destructions. They were never found. The
attacks of Israel. We call on both

attacks of Israel. We call on both

attacks of Israel. We call on both
parties to to stop to stop this exchange

parties to to stop to stop this exchange

parties to to stop to stop this exchange
of strikes. More dangerous now than it

of strikes. More dangerous now than it

of strikes. More dangerous now than it
used to be in the period of the cold

used to be in the period of the cold

used to be in the period of the cold
war. If people speak to each other,

war. If people speak to each other,

war. If people speak to each other,
maybe they will find the solution. We

maybe they will find the solution. We

maybe they will find the solution. We
don't have any dialogue.

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So, thank you so much for being here

So, thank you so much for being here
today. I think um for us like we are

today. I think um for us like we are

today. I think um for us like we are
really excited uh for having you over

really excited uh for having you over

really excited uh for having you over
because I think it's super important

because I think it's super important

because I think it's super important
especially in times in the media where

especially in times in the media where

especially in times in the media where
you hear hear like one side of the story

you hear hear like one side of the story

you hear hear like one side of the story
all the time repeatedly. Um, and it's

all the time repeatedly. Um, and it's

all the time repeatedly. Um, and it's
like for us as a Truman Show, as a media

like for us as a Truman Show, as a media

like for us as a Truman Show, as a media
outlet, we are not here to like um tell

outlet, we are not here to like um tell

outlet, we are not here to like um tell
like this story is true or that story is

like this story is true or that story is

like this story is true or that story is
true, but we think it's super important

true, but we think it's super important

true, but we think it's super important
to hear at least like two sides of a

to hear at least like two sides of a

to hear at least like two sides of a
story so that people can make up their

story so that people can make up their

story so that people can make up their
own minds. And it seems like in this

own minds. And it seems like in this

own minds. And it seems like in this
times that people don't think that or

times that people don't think that or

times that people don't think that or
like governments don't think that people

like governments don't think that people

like governments don't think that people
are able to make up their own minds

are able to make up their own minds

are able to make up their own minds
anymore. Um, but they're like always

anymore. Um, but they're like always

anymore. Um, but they're like always
like two sides of the story. Yeah. So,

like two sides of the story. Yeah. So,

like two sides of the story. Yeah. So,
um, that's why we're happy to have you

um, that's why we're happy to have you

um, that's why we're happy to have you
over and hopefully we can talk about

over and hopefully we can talk about

over and hopefully we can talk about
that today a little bit. Well, thank you

that today a little bit. Well, thank you

that today a little bit. Well, thank you
very much for inviting me and for me

very much for inviting me and for me

very much for inviting me and for me
it's really an honor and a pleasure to

it's really an honor and a pleasure to

it's really an honor and a pleasure to
address uh the Dutch audience, Dutch

address uh the Dutch audience, Dutch

address uh the Dutch audience, Dutch
public because uh yes uh frankly

public because uh yes uh frankly

public because uh yes uh frankly
speaking I don't have uh many

speaking I don't have uh many

speaking I don't have uh many
opportunities to speak to the Dutch

opportunities to speak to the Dutch

opportunities to speak to the Dutch
audience because the mainstream media

audience because the mainstream media

audience because the mainstream media
regrettably is not interested to

regrettably is not interested to

regrettably is not interested to
have the Russian position, Russian point

have the Russian position, Russian point

have the Russian position, Russian point
of view on the world developments. It's

of view on the world developments. It's

of view on the world developments. It's
only at the western uh just position

only at the western uh just position

only at the western uh just position
that is being somehow put forward. Yes.

that is being somehow put forward. Yes.

that is being somehow put forward. Yes.
And uh

And uh

And uh
I am very rarely or if not never invited

I am very rarely or if not never invited

I am very rarely or if not never invited
to uh give the comments on what is

to uh give the comments on what is

to uh give the comments on what is
happening. So I am I am really h happy

happening. So I am I am really h happy

happening. So I am I am really h happy
to for this opportunity and thank you

to for this opportunity and thank you

to for this opportunity and thank you
very much. Thank you. So, so you're here

very much. Thank you. So, so you're here

very much. Thank you. So, so you're here
since 2024, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,

since 2024, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,

since 2024, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,
that's let's say a year now. A year and

that's let's say a year now. A year and

that's let's say a year now. A year and
a half. Year and a half already. Year

a half. Year and a half already. Year

a half. Year and a half already. Year
and a half. And in that year and a half,

and a half. And in that year and a half,

and a half. And in that year and a half,
there's a lot of stuff going on between

there's a lot of stuff going on between

there's a lot of stuff going on between
Ukraine and Russia and everything. So,

Ukraine and Russia and everything. So,

Ukraine and Russia and everything. So,
you would say a lot of news being made

you would say a lot of news being made

you would say a lot of news being made
in the Western media and the Dutch media

in the Western media and the Dutch media

in the Western media and the Dutch media
about it. And you tell me that there's

about it. And you tell me that there's

about it. And you tell me that there's
no media outlet who ask you any

no media outlet who ask you any

no media outlet who ask you any
questions about, for example, the

questions about, for example, the

questions about, for example, the
Ukraine situation? No. No. No.

Ukraine situation? No. No. No.

Ukraine situation? No. No. No.
mainstream media never asked me about

mainstream media never asked me about

mainstream media never asked me about
the Ukrainian situation and never

the Ukrainian situation and never

the Ukrainian situation and never
expressed any interest to hear the

expressed any interest to hear the

expressed any interest to hear the
Russian point of view on it. That's like

Russian point of view on it. That's like

Russian point of view on it. That's like
you can't imagine that that would

you can't imagine that that would

you can't imagine that that would
happen. Yeah. Like in in in such a topic

happen. Yeah. Like in in in such a topic

happen. Yeah. Like in in in such a topic
like the Dutch medias are like fully

like the Dutch medias are like fully

like the Dutch medias are like fully
printed with with all everything that's

printed with with all everything that's

printed with with all everything that's
happening in in Ukraine. Um and that

happening in in Ukraine. Um and that

happening in in Ukraine. Um and that
none of them had call you to ask the

none of them had call you to ask the

none of them had call you to ask the
questions about it. Yeah. Regrettably

questions about it. Yeah. Regrettably

questions about it. Yeah. Regrettably
no. Regrettably no. And when I speak to

no. Regrettably no. And when I speak to

no. Regrettably no. And when I speak to
Dutch officials and when I try also to

Dutch officials and when I try also to

Dutch officials and when I try also to
explain our point of view, uh well

explain our point of view, uh well

explain our point of view, uh well
the answer is usually like this. Yes, we

the answer is usually like this. Yes, we

the answer is usually like this. Yes, we
know your position. We know your

know your position. We know your

know your position. We know your
position but our position is different.

position but our position is different.

position but our position is different.
and then uh just uh there is a

and then uh just uh there is a

and then uh just uh there is a
repetition of well-known just approaches

repetition of well-known just approaches

repetition of well-known just approaches
which is so it's not a kind of an um

which is so it's not a kind of an um

which is so it's not a kind of an um
it's not a discussion

it's not a discussion

it's not a discussion
it's just an exchange of you know just

it's just an exchange of you know just

it's just an exchange of you know just
uh statements you have your side I have

uh statements you have your side I have

uh statements you have your side I have
my side and that's it yeah that's it

my side and that's it yeah that's it

my side and that's it yeah that's it
that's it that's it that's it and do you

that's it that's it that's it and do you

that's it that's it that's it and do you
like do you think they know the your

like do you think they know the your

like do you think they know the your
side of the

side of the

side of the
Well, I presume I presume because

Well, I presume I presume because

Well, I presume I presume because
certainly uh not not not

certainly uh not not not

certainly uh not not not
regrettably the public probably the

regrettably the public probably the

regrettably the public probably the
common people who are absolutely

common people who are absolutely

common people who are absolutely
do not have any access to the Russian

do not have any access to the Russian

do not have any access to the Russian
media to they are all banned here you

media to they are all banned here you

media to they are all banned here you
know just uh uh but uh those the

know just uh uh but uh those the

know just uh uh but uh those the
politicians the people who formulate

politicians the people who formulate

politicians the people who formulate
Dutch uh foreign policy, I suppose they

Dutch uh foreign policy, I suppose they

Dutch uh foreign policy, I suppose they
know the Russian position, but they do

know the Russian position, but they do

know the Russian position, but they do
not take it into account, you know. Mhm.

not take it into account, you know. Mhm.

not take it into account, you know. Mhm.
And like how is it for you? Because you

And like how is it for you? Because you

And like how is it for you? Because you
say like the the the typically like the

say like the the the typically like the

say like the the the typically like the
Dutch people, they don't have access to

Dutch people, they don't have access to

Dutch people, they don't have access to
your side of the story. Um how is it to

your side of the story. Um how is it to

your side of the story. Um how is it to
be ambassador in the Netherlands right

be ambassador in the Netherlands right

be ambassador in the Netherlands right
now? Because um uh Dan, he was uh with

now? Because um uh Dan, he was uh with

now? Because um uh Dan, he was uh with
you this week, I think even yesterday,

you this week, I think even yesterday,

you this week, I think even yesterday,
and he told us about the the Ukraine

and he told us about the the Ukraine

and he told us about the the Ukraine
flags and like pictures of of war stuff

flags and like pictures of of war stuff

flags and like pictures of of war stuff
and and everything going on in in front

and and everything going on in in front

and and everything going on in in front
of the embassy. So that feels like a

of the embassy. So that feels like a

of the embassy. So that feels like a
little bit hostile even or not. Yes,

little bit hostile even or not. Yes,

little bit hostile even or not. Yes,
it's not easy. Uh really, it's not easy

it's not easy. Uh really, it's not easy

it's not easy. Uh really, it's not easy
to be an ambassador here in the

to be an ambassador here in the

to be an ambassador here in the
Netherlands because the environment is

Netherlands because the environment is

Netherlands because the environment is
not friendly.

not friendly.

not friendly.
No. Yes. you mentioned that we have uh

No. Yes. you mentioned that we have uh

No. Yes. you mentioned that we have uh
this uh demonstration of Ukrainian flags

this uh demonstration of Ukrainian flags

this uh demonstration of Ukrainian flags
uh opposite our gates. It's for the last

uh opposite our gates. It's for the last

uh opposite our gates. It's for the last
3 years we have it. Yeah. Each day they

3 years we have it. Yeah. Each day they

3 years we have it. Yeah. Each day they
put it and then in the evening they

put it and then in the evening they

put it and then in the evening they
uh bring it uh they they remove it and

uh bring it uh they they remove it and

uh bring it uh they they remove it and
they they bring it back. Uh and uh it's

they they bring it back. Uh and uh it's

they they bring it back. Uh and uh it's
uh approved by the authorities a kind of

uh approved by the authorities a kind of

uh approved by the authorities a kind of
a just uh demonstration.

a just uh demonstration.

a just uh demonstration.
Uh we are uh frankly we do not pay much

Uh we are uh frankly we do not pay much

Uh we are uh frankly we do not pay much
attention to it. we get used to it, you

attention to it. we get used to it, you

attention to it. we get used to it, you
know, and uh it's in our opinion it's an

know, and uh it's in our opinion it's an

know, and uh it's in our opinion it's an
a manifestation of weakness, you know.

a manifestation of weakness, you know.

a manifestation of weakness, you know.
It's not a manifestation of uh of uh of

It's not a manifestation of uh of uh of

It's not a manifestation of uh of uh of
a kind of a

a kind of a

a kind of a
uh

uh

uh
you know just being sure in their own in

you know just being sure in their own in

you know just being sure in their own in
in their own uh position to demonstrate

in their own uh position to demonstrate

in their own uh position to demonstrate
a flag in spite in before the gates or

a flag in spite in before the gates or

a flag in spite in before the gates or
in in of the foreign mission. It's it's

in in of the foreign mission. It's it's

in in of the foreign mission. It's it's
it's not a bad it's not a good a good

it's not a bad it's not a good a good

it's not a bad it's not a good a good
manner, you know, just well but well we

manner, you know, just well but well we

manner, you know, just well but well we
do not pay much attention to it but yes

do not pay much attention to it but yes

do not pay much attention to it but yes
uh we we have little

uh we we have little

uh we we have little
not much contacts with the with the

not much contacts with the with the

not much contacts with the with the
public officials and uh we do not have

public officials and uh we do not have

public officials and uh we do not have
much dialogue with the government

much dialogue with the government

much dialogue with the government
officials with the politicians.

officials with the politicians.

officials with the politicians.
uh but uh I don't see any hostility or

uh but uh I don't see any hostility or

uh but uh I don't see any hostility or
any you know just unfriendly attitude

any you know just unfriendly attitude

any you know just unfriendly attitude
from uh ordinary Dutch people you know I

from uh ordinary Dutch people you know I

from uh ordinary Dutch people you know I
never I was never never offended

never I was never never offended

never I was never never offended
somewhere in the street and when I uh

somewhere in the street and when I uh

somewhere in the street and when I uh
say that I am Russian there is always a

say that I am Russian there is always a

say that I am Russian there is always a
smile you know and so Dutch public is

smile you know and so Dutch public is

smile you know and so Dutch public is
absolutely adequate so so you think it's

absolutely adequate so so you think it's

absolutely adequate so so you think it's
not the Dutch public who their point of

not the Dutch public who their point of

not the Dutch public who their point of
view of the Russians is that way. It's

view of the Russians is that way. It's

view of the Russians is that way. It's
just like the politicians. Yeah. The

just like the politicians. Yeah. The

just like the politicians. Yeah. The
politicians they they formulated and

politicians they they formulated and

politicians they they formulated and
they impose this position on the Dutch

they impose this position on the Dutch

they impose this position on the Dutch
public. Yeah.

links open notes.

links open notes.
Where do you think that started? Like is

Where do you think that started? Like is

Where do you think that started? Like is
that worse? Obviously, it would be worse

that worse? Obviously, it would be worse

that worse? Obviously, it would be worse
now because of what's happening in the

now because of what's happening in the

now because of what's happening in the
Ukraine, but um like for me, I have the

Ukraine, but um like for me, I have the

Ukraine, but um like for me, I have the
feeling that as as long as I can

feeling that as as long as I can

feeling that as as long as I can
remember, there's always been um

remember, there's always been um

remember, there's always been um
one-sided news about Russia and

one-sided news about Russia and

one-sided news about Russia and
everything going on in Russia. And I

everything going on in Russia. And I

everything going on in Russia. And I
think the last years was a little bit

think the last years was a little bit

think the last years was a little bit
before um everything like happened in

before um everything like happened in

before um everything like happened in
Ukraine. It was it less I think but

Ukraine. It was it less I think but

Ukraine. It was it less I think but
still like I think we always in the

still like I think we always in the

still like I think we always in the
Dutch media the western media we always

Dutch media the western media we always

Dutch media the western media we always
get like the idea that Russia is like

get like the idea that Russia is like

get like the idea that Russia is like
the big enemy of the west. Yeah.

the big enemy of the west. Yeah.

the big enemy of the west. Yeah.
regrettably, regrettably, you know, uh

regrettably, regrettably, you know, uh

regrettably, regrettably, you know, uh
and uh uh after the the

and uh uh after the the

and uh uh after the the
uh end of the cold war when the Soviet

uh end of the cold war when the Soviet

uh end of the cold war when the Soviet
Union ceased to exist, we in Russia, we

Union ceased to exist, we in Russia, we

Union ceased to exist, we in Russia, we
had uh no frank illusions

had uh no frank illusions

had uh no frank illusions
that uh the there will be a new period

that uh the there will be a new period

that uh the there will be a new period
in the relations between Russia and the

in the relations between Russia and the

in the relations between Russia and the
test. Uh we really believed in this uh

test. Uh we really believed in this uh

test. Uh we really believed in this uh
new political thinking proclaimed by

new political thinking proclaimed by

new political thinking proclaimed by
President Garbachov.

President Garbachov.

President Garbachov.
Uh and uh uh and we really uh thought

Uh and uh uh and we really uh thought

Uh and uh uh and we really uh thought
that we might have no just a very equal,

that we might have no just a very equal,

that we might have no just a very equal,
friendly and uh uh

friendly and uh uh

friendly and uh uh
really

really

really
not just relations that that are not uh

not just relations that that are not uh

not just relations that that are not uh
hindered by any kind of a of an

hindered by any kind of a of an

hindered by any kind of a of an
ideology.

ideology.

ideology.
But regrettably

But regrettably

But regrettably
uh we failed in our expectations because

uh we failed in our expectations because

uh we failed in our expectations because
the west frankly speaking ever regarded

the west frankly speaking ever regarded

the west frankly speaking ever regarded
Russia

Russia

Russia
as an enemy. Do you do you like because

as an enemy. Do you do you like because

as an enemy. Do you do you like because
I had like we we had a lady in the

I had like we we had a lady in the

I had like we we had a lady in the
podcast and she she is she's a lot in

podcast and she she is she's a lot in

podcast and she she is she's a lot in
Russia and she also tried to like

Russia and she also tried to like

Russia and she also tried to like
because she's a lot in Russia she also

because she's a lot in Russia she also

because she's a lot in Russia she also
tried to like she knows a lot of the

tried to like she knows a lot of the

tried to like she knows a lot of the
history and she tried to um tell the

history and she tried to um tell the

history and she tried to um tell the
audience also a different side as well.

audience also a different side as well.

audience also a different side as well.
Um, and she told me and and maybe you

Um, and she told me and and maybe you

Um, and she told me and and maybe you
can confirm this. A lot of Russians

can confirm this. A lot of Russians

can confirm this. A lot of Russians
um back then they really wanted to be

um back then they really wanted to be

um back then they really wanted to be
part actually of of what we have in the

part actually of of what we have in the

part actually of of what we have in the
west or maybe not want to be part but

west or maybe not want to be part but

west or maybe not want to be part but
they want to have good relations and

they want to have good relations and

they want to have good relations and
they want to be working together and um

they want to be working together and um

they want to be working together and um
and that was their in they wanted to do

and that was their in they wanted to do

and that was their in they wanted to do
that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was

that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was

that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was
that was the uh real uh real uh attitude

that was the uh real uh real uh attitude

that was the uh real uh real uh attitude
of of the Russian people, you know, just

of of the Russian people, you know, just

of of the Russian people, you know, just
to be part of this European family, but

to be part of this European family, but

to be part of this European family, but
to be an equal member, you know, just

to be an equal member, you know, just

to be an equal member, you know, just
that uh uh uh a member whose interests

that uh uh uh a member whose interests

that uh uh uh a member whose interests
are being taken into account uh whose

are being taken into account uh whose

are being taken into account uh whose
security is being uh

security is being uh

security is being uh
respected. No, but from from the very

respected. No, but from from the very

respected. No, but from from the very
beginning that went uh a bit different.

beginning that went uh a bit different.

beginning that went uh a bit different.
Uh you know uh and uh for instance if we

Uh you know uh and uh for instance if we

Uh you know uh and uh for instance if we
take not NATO

take not NATO

take not NATO
especially since we are now on the verge

especially since we are now on the verge

especially since we are now on the verge
of this NATO summit. Yeah. NATO was uh

of this NATO summit. Yeah. NATO was uh

of this NATO summit. Yeah. NATO was uh
created in 1949

created in 1949

created in 1949
uh ex exclusively exclusively to uh

uh ex exclusively exclusively to uh

uh ex exclusively exclusively to uh
uh to oppose the Soviet Union. Yeah. As

uh to oppose the Soviet Union. Yeah. As

uh to oppose the Soviet Union. Yeah. As
a military black block that uh was

a military black block that uh was

a military black block that uh was
created to just fight with the Soviet

created to just fight with the Soviet

created to just fight with the Soviet
Union. Then the Warso pact was

Union. Then the Warso pact was

Union. Then the Warso pact was
established

established

established
later as a response by the way to the

later as a response by the way to the

later as a response by the way to the
creation of NATO. So there was just a

creation of NATO. So there was just a

creation of NATO. So there was just a
kind of a of a hostility of a opposition

kind of a of a hostility of a opposition

kind of a of a hostility of a opposition
I would say between the two blocks.

I would say between the two blocks.

I would say between the two blocks.
Yeah. Then why why is that do you think?

Yeah. Then why why is that do you think?

Yeah. Then why why is that do you think?
Why did the west created NATO to like

Why did the west created NATO to like

Why did the west created NATO to like
why is it why does the the west feel

why is it why does the the west feel

why is it why does the the west feel
such a threat that why do they feel

such a threat that why do they feel

such a threat that why do they feel
threatened a lot by by Russia the Soviet

threatened a lot by by Russia the Soviet

threatened a lot by by Russia the Soviet
Union at at that time? Well, at that

Union at at that time? Well, at that

Union at at that time? Well, at that
time there was a also a ideological

time there was a also a ideological

time there was a also a ideological
dimension, you know, they were afraid of

dimension, you know, they were afraid of

dimension, you know, they were afraid of
communism, of communist ideology.

communism, of communist ideology.

communism, of communist ideology.
But uh uh then when uh uh the Soviet

But uh uh then when uh uh the Soviet

But uh uh then when uh uh the Soviet
Union ceased to exist, you know, when

Union ceased to exist, you know, when

Union ceased to exist, you know, when
the wars of pact was dissolved, when uh

the wars of pact was dissolved, when uh

the wars of pact was dissolved, when uh
there was no uh communist uh ideology in

there was no uh communist uh ideology in

there was no uh communist uh ideology in
Russia, you know, just as as a ruling

Russia, you know, just as as a ruling

Russia, you know, just as as a ruling
ideology,

ideology,

ideology,
there was absolutely no reason for NATO

there was absolutely no reason for NATO

there was absolutely no reason for NATO
to continue to exist.

to continue to exist.

to continue to exist.
But it was quite the opposite. It it it

But it was quite the opposite. It it it

But it was quite the opposite. It it it
enlarged, you know, it uh moved

enlarged, you know, it uh moved

enlarged, you know, it uh moved
eastwards to our borders in in spite of

eastwards to our borders in in spite of

eastwards to our borders in in spite of
all the the promises that we were given

all the the promises that we were given

all the the promises that we were given
by Chancellor Cole, by Margaret

by Chancellor Cole, by Margaret

by Chancellor Cole, by Margaret
Thatcher, by President

Thatcher, by President

Thatcher, by President
uh of the United States at that time.

uh of the United States at that time.

uh of the United States at that time.
Yeah. Um it was Bush Senior. Yeah. So

Yeah. Um it was Bush Senior. Yeah. So

Yeah. Um it was Bush Senior. Yeah. So
they were they all assured

they were they all assured

they were they all assured
uh Gorbachov and then Yelson that no no

uh Gorbachov and then Yelson that no no

uh Gorbachov and then Yelson that no no
no no we will not expand we will not

no no we will not expand we will not

no no we will not expand we will not
expand but then they started and

expand but then they started and

expand but then they started and
certainly it was absolutely done on a

certainly it was absolutely done on a

certainly it was absolutely done on a
anti-R anti-Russian you know just stance

anti-R anti-Russian you know just stance

anti-R anti-Russian you know just stance
yeah uh there is absolutely no need no

yeah uh there is absolutely no need no

yeah uh there is absolutely no need no
need for uh NATO to exist and to uh

need for uh NATO to exist and to uh

need for uh NATO to exist and to uh
to to just continue to exist as a

to to just continue to exist as a

to to just continue to exist as a
military block. But what we see now, we

military block. But what we see now, we

military block. But what we see now, we
see the enlargement of NATO

see the enlargement of NATO

see the enlargement of NATO
and uh the only reason for uh this is to

and uh the only reason for uh this is to

and uh the only reason for uh this is to
create

create

create
or just in in order to justify the the

or just in in order to justify the the

or just in in order to justify the the
uh the expansion of NATO, one need to

uh the expansion of NATO, one need to

uh the expansion of NATO, one need to
create to create an enemy.

create to create an enemy.

create to create an enemy.
And so uh uh the west uh proclaimed

And so uh uh the west uh proclaimed

And so uh uh the west uh proclaimed
Russia as an enemy as a as an aggressive

Russia as an enemy as a as an aggressive

Russia as an enemy as a as an aggressive
uh state that has some aggressive plans

uh state that has some aggressive plans

uh state that has some aggressive plans
against Europe against uh its neighbors

against Europe against uh its neighbors

against Europe against uh its neighbors
which is absolutely it has nothing to do

which is absolutely it has nothing to do

which is absolutely it has nothing to do
with the reality. you know, we uh

with the reality. you know, we uh

with the reality. you know, we uh
numerously it was our president and it

numerously it was our president and it

numerously it was our president and it
was stated on all levels that we do not

was stated on all levels that we do not

was stated on all levels that we do not
have any aggressive plans to attack uh

have any aggressive plans to attack uh

have any aggressive plans to attack uh
any of our uh neighbors in in in in

any of our uh neighbors in in in in

any of our uh neighbors in in in in
Europe, you know, we don't need it and

Europe, you know, we don't need it and

Europe, you know, we don't need it and
and uh

and uh

and uh
it's our wish to live uh in a peaceful

it's our wish to live uh in a peaceful

it's our wish to live uh in a peaceful
atmosphere and to develop friendly

atmosphere and to develop friendly

atmosphere and to develop friendly
relations with our uh neighbors. But uh

relations with our uh neighbors. But uh

relations with our uh neighbors. But uh
certainly uh when we see the very

certainly uh when we see the very

certainly uh when we see the very
aggressive

aggressive

aggressive
stance of uh uh of countries like like

stance of uh uh of countries like like

stance of uh uh of countries like like
like Baltic countries like uh Finland

like Baltic countries like uh Finland

like Baltic countries like uh Finland
for instance who joined NATO, like

for instance who joined NATO, like

for instance who joined NATO, like
Sweden who joined NATO, we have to

Sweden who joined NATO, we have to

Sweden who joined NATO, we have to
react, you know, to react by by by

react, you know, to react by by by

react, you know, to react by by by
uh preparing our military installations,

uh preparing our military installations,

uh preparing our military installations,
our military very uh uh just facilities

our military very uh uh just facilities

our military very uh uh just facilities
along our western bords and but it has

along our western bords and but it has

along our western bords and but it has
nothing to do with any any any

nothing to do with any any any

nothing to do with any any any
uh aggressive plans you know and if we

uh aggressive plans you know and if we

uh aggressive plans you know and if we
for instance if we take the region of

for instance if we take the region of

for instance if we take the region of
the Baltic Sea

the Baltic Sea

the Baltic Sea
it always only I would say that even in

it always only I would say that even in

it always only I would say that even in
the period of the cold war

the period of the cold war

the period of the cold war
Baltic Sea was the region of

Baltic Sea was the region of

Baltic Sea was the region of
cooperation.

cooperation.

cooperation.
You know, we had excellent relations in

You know, we had excellent relations in

You know, we had excellent relations in
the time of the Soviet Union with

the time of the Soviet Union with

the time of the Soviet Union with
Finland, which was our biggest trade

Finland, which was our biggest trade

Finland, which was our biggest trade
partner. Yeah. And uh uh it was always a

partner. Yeah. And uh uh it was always a

partner. Yeah. And uh uh it was always a
kind of a area of cooperation. What we

kind of a area of cooperation. What we

kind of a area of cooperation. What we
see now, the area of Baltic Sea is one

see now, the area of Baltic Sea is one

see now, the area of Baltic Sea is one
of the most potentially

of the most potentially

of the most potentially
dangerous regions in in in just in

dangerous regions in in in just in

dangerous regions in in in just in
Europe where the

Europe where the

Europe where the
confrontation can

confrontation can

confrontation can
uh bring a very very serious crisis, you

uh bring a very very serious crisis, you

uh bring a very very serious crisis, you
know.

and why why is it dangerous for Russia

and why why is it dangerous for Russia
that countries like for example Finland

that countries like for example Finland

that countries like for example Finland
and Sweden join NATO? So well they are

and Sweden join NATO? So well they are

and Sweden join NATO? So well they are
our neighbors you know just from the

our neighbors you know just from the

our neighbors you know just from the
Finnish border to St. Petersburg

Finnish border to St. Petersburg

Finnish border to St. Petersburg
it's I don't know maybe maybe 60 or 70

it's I don't know maybe maybe 60 or 70

it's I don't know maybe maybe 60 or 70
kilometers you know so

kilometers you know so

kilometers you know so
may maybe more but not far not far but

may maybe more but not far not far but

may maybe more but not far not far but
then you assume that NATO would um maybe

then you assume that NATO would um maybe

then you assume that NATO would um maybe
even want to expand more or like like

even want to expand more or like like

even want to expand more or like like
why is the fact that NATO has uh or

why is the fact that NATO has uh or

why is the fact that NATO has uh or
Finland and Sweden joined NATO is that

Finland and Sweden joined NATO is that

Finland and Sweden joined NATO is that
dangerous for for Russia? Yes, because

dangerous for for Russia? Yes, because

dangerous for for Russia? Yes, because
we have just uh we have common borders

we have just uh we have common borders

we have just uh we have common borders
not with Sweden but with Finland and for

not with Sweden but with Finland and for

not with Sweden but with Finland and for
sure very long border and the uh Baltic

sure very long border and the uh Baltic

sure very long border and the uh Baltic
Sea is also it's a kind of a it's a you

Sea is also it's a kind of a it's a you

Sea is also it's a kind of a it's a you
know a sea that is used by all states

know a sea that is used by all states

know a sea that is used by all states
all adjacent states it it must be the

all adjacent states it it must be the

all adjacent states it it must be the
area of cooperation not an area of

area of cooperation not an area of

area of cooperation not an area of
confrontation.

confrontation.

confrontation.
Yeah. Yeah. So, but then in generally

Yeah. Yeah. So, but then in generally

Yeah. Yeah. So, but then in generally
speaking, you the fact that like you

speaking, you the fact that like you

speaking, you the fact that like you
don't trust NATO. No,

don't trust NATO. No,

don't trust NATO. No,
you don't trust NATO. We were deceived

you don't trust NATO. We were deceived

you don't trust NATO. We were deceived
so many times you know that for us it's

so many times you know that for us it's

so many times you know that for us it's
very difficult now to trust uh this uh

very difficult now to trust uh this uh

very difficult now to trust uh this uh
block and it's even difficult for us

block and it's even difficult for us

block and it's even difficult for us
frankly speaking to trust

frankly speaking to trust

frankly speaking to trust
European Union because we were also

European Union because we were also

European Union because we were also
deceived uh

deceived uh

deceived uh
uh numerously by this this organization

uh numerously by this this organization

uh numerously by this this organization
and now you know it's it it would be it

and now you know it's it it would be it

and now you know it's it it would be it
would be a very long process to restore

would be a very long process to restore

would be a very long process to restore
this confidence.

this confidence.

this confidence.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Why do you think that

Why do you think that

Why do you think that
NATO is expanding as they do?

NATO is expanding as they do?

NATO is expanding as they do?
Well, because uh you know

Well, because uh you know

Well, because uh you know
this organization

this organization

this organization
it

it

it
in order to exist,

in order to exist,

in order to exist,
you know, it uh it has it has to create

you know, it uh it has it has to create

you know, it uh it has it has to create
kind of an external threat.

kind of an external threat.

kind of an external threat.
And this external threat

And this external threat

And this external threat
for for for NATO is Russia as it was

for for for NATO is Russia as it was

for for for NATO is Russia as it was
proclaimed, you know. But uh certainly

proclaimed, you know. But uh certainly

proclaimed, you know. But uh certainly
we we we do not uh pose any threat to

we we we do not uh pose any threat to

we we we do not uh pose any threat to
NATO. But uh uh this expansion expansion

NATO. But uh uh this expansion expansion

NATO. But uh uh this expansion expansion
poses the threat to our interests. But

poses the threat to our interests. But

poses the threat to our interests. But
certainly you must have an idea on why

certainly you must have an idea on why

certainly you must have an idea on why
um on why NATO is expanding as they are

um on why NATO is expanding as they are

um on why NATO is expanding as they are
doing. Well, well, to have a

doing. Well, well, to have a

doing. Well, well, to have a
my opinion is just to have a full uh

my opinion is just to have a full uh

my opinion is just to have a full uh
military and political domination in

military and political domination in

military and political domination in
this region. That's that's it. Yeah,

this region. That's that's it. Yeah,

this region. That's that's it. Yeah,
that's it. And you just told me like um

that's it. And you just told me like um

that's it. And you just told me like um
earlier you told me that NATO has done

earlier you told me that NATO has done

earlier you told me that NATO has done
some stuff that you that's the reason

some stuff that you that's the reason

some stuff that you that's the reason
that you don't trust them anymore. The

that you don't trust them anymore. The

that you don't trust them anymore. The
same goes for the European Union. Can

same goes for the European Union. Can

same goes for the European Union. Can
you tell us a little bit more on on the

you tell us a little bit more on on the

you tell us a little bit more on on the
things that they did? that's that um uh

things that they did? that's that um uh

things that they did? that's that um uh
led up that you don't trust them

led up that you don't trust them

led up that you don't trust them
anymore. Well, first of all, expansion.

anymore. Well, first of all, expansion.

anymore. Well, first of all, expansion.
Expansion. We we we were as I have

Expansion. We we we were as I have

Expansion. We we we were as I have
already mentioned, we were given

already mentioned, we were given

already mentioned, we were given
asurances that they will not expand.

asurances that they will not expand.

asurances that they will not expand.
They are expanding.

They are expanding.

They are expanding.
then this uh just

then this uh just

then this uh just
accumulations of of of of weapons and

accumulations of of of of weapons and

accumulations of of of of weapons and
this military planning and NATO uh

this military planning and NATO uh

this military planning and NATO uh
countries and uh regrettably

countries and uh regrettably

countries and uh regrettably
uh members of NATO

uh members of NATO

uh members of NATO
and even the Netherlands, they they

and even the Netherlands, they they

and even the Netherlands, they they
clearly state that they're preparing for

clearly state that they're preparing for

clearly state that they're preparing for
war with Russia. by 2030 there will be a

war with Russia. by 2030 there will be a

war with Russia. by 2030 there will be a
war that was just

war that was just

war that was just
said by by a number of European

said by by a number of European

said by by a number of European
politicians

politicians

politicians
and that's extremely extremely

and that's extremely extremely

and that's extremely extremely
irresponsible and dangerous statements

irresponsible and dangerous statements

irresponsible and dangerous statements
you know first of all we as I have

you know first of all we as I have

you know first of all we as I have
already mentioned we do not have any

already mentioned we do not have any

already mentioned we do not have any
aggressive plans we are not going to

aggressive plans we are not going to

aggressive plans we are not going to
attack anyone but when uh we hear these

attack anyone but when uh we hear these

attack anyone but when uh we hear these
statements

statements

statements
what should be uh just uh imagine. Yeah.

what should be uh just uh imagine. Yeah.

what should be uh just uh imagine. Yeah.
And why these statements are

And why these statements are

And why these statements are
even more I would say irresponsible and

even more I would say irresponsible and

even more I would say irresponsible and
dangerous because these uh politicians I

dangerous because these uh politicians I

dangerous because these uh politicians I
don't know about polit but military uh

don't know about polit but military uh

don't know about polit but military uh
people they must know for sure that the

people they must know for sure that the

people they must know for sure that the
war between Russia and collective west

war between Russia and collective west

war between Russia and collective west
and Europe it will not be a conventional

and Europe it will not be a conventional

and Europe it will not be a conventional
war, it will inevitably

war, it will inevitably

war, it will inevitably
develop into a nuclear war and that will

develop into a nuclear war and that will

develop into a nuclear war and that will
be the end of humanity,

be the end of humanity,

be the end of humanity,
you know, and

you know, and

you know, and
so those who who are who are speaking

so those who who are who are speaking

so those who who are who are speaking
about war with with Russia, they must be

about war with with Russia, they must be

about war with with Russia, they must be
aware that there there will be an end to

aware that there there will be an end to

aware that there there will be an end to
the world, you know, to the to the

the world, you know, to the to the

the world, you know, to the to the
civilization.

civilization.

civilization.
But you like this is hearing it from

But you like this is hearing it from

But you like this is hearing it from
your mouth. It like it's it's such a

your mouth. It like it's it's such a

your mouth. It like it's it's such a
surreal

surreal

surreal
um thought almost that people would want

um thought almost that people would want

um thought almost that people would want
a a scenario like that to come true.

a a scenario like that to come true.

a a scenario like that to come true.
But you say it's like inevitable when

But you say it's like inevitable when

But you say it's like inevitable when
when the west goes on with what they're

when the west goes on with what they're

when the west goes on with what they're
doing at the moment. Yeah. you know the

doing at the moment. Yeah. you know the

doing at the moment. Yeah. you know the
uh I I hope I hope that uh the reason

uh I I hope I hope that uh the reason

uh I I hope I hope that uh the reason
will uh somehow

will uh somehow

will uh somehow
will uh

will uh

will uh
overcome all these political uh

overcome all these political uh

overcome all these political uh
approaches. I understand why all these

approaches. I understand why all these

approaches. I understand why all these
uh statements are made to justify the

uh statements are made to justify the

uh statements are made to justify the
increase of military budget you know the

increase of military budget you know the

increase of military budget you know the
uh uh preparation the the uh puffing on

uh uh preparation the the uh puffing on

uh uh preparation the the uh puffing on
of of of military potential and

of of of military potential and

of of of military potential and
certainly it's in the interests of

certainly it's in the interests of

certainly it's in the interests of
military industrial complex yeah I

military industrial complex yeah I

military industrial complex yeah I
understand but it's not clearly in the

understand but it's not clearly in the

understand but it's not clearly in the
interests of the people so do you think

interests of the people so do you think

interests of the people so do you think
that the for um the increasing of the of

that the for um the increasing of the of

that the for um the increasing of the of
the budget for example like Rita told

the budget for example like Rita told

the budget for example like Rita told
the Netherlands to like double I think

the Netherlands to like double I think

the Netherlands to like double I think
in or almost double in in a short time.

in or almost double in in a short time.

in or almost double in in a short time.
Um do you think that's a financial

Um do you think that's a financial

Um do you think that's a financial
impulse to um to do it that way? So not

impulse to um to do it that way? So not

impulse to um to do it that way? So not
really to go to war but to like get

really to go to war but to like get

really to go to war but to like get
money flowing into the uh military. I

money flowing into the uh military. I

money flowing into the uh military. I
think so. I think so. It's mainly

think so. I think so. It's mainly

think so. I think so. It's mainly
certainly to to to puff the uh military

certainly to to to puff the uh military

certainly to to to puff the uh military
industrial complex. But these statements

industrial complex. But these statements

industrial complex. But these statements
are very dangerous. You know, they are

are very dangerous. You know, they are

are very dangerous. You know, they are
very dangerous. Why are they so

very dangerous. Why are they so

very dangerous. Why are they so
dangerous? Because there might be an

dangerous? Because there might be an

dangerous? Because there might be an
escalation.

escalation.

escalation.
You know, all these military exercises

You know, all these military exercises

You know, all these military exercises
that are being uh organized just near

that are being uh organized just near

that are being uh organized just near
our boards.

our boards.

our boards.
And now they they are dangerous because

And now they they are dangerous because

And now they they are dangerous because
there might be a kind of a provocation.

there might be a kind of a provocation.

there might be a kind of a provocation.
Yeah. Just some kind of an incident.

Yeah. Just some kind of an incident.

Yeah. Just some kind of an incident.
Yeah. And then there will be an

Yeah. And then there will be an

Yeah. And then there will be an
escalation escalation and then and then

escalation escalation and then and then

escalation escalation and then and then
a fullscale war.

a fullscale war.

a fullscale war.
And nobody wants that unless not the

And nobody wants that unless not the

And nobody wants that unless not the
normal people. Yeah. No, certainly

normal people. Yeah. No, certainly

normal people. Yeah. No, certainly
certainly certainly certainly. And

certainly certainly certainly. And

certainly certainly certainly. And
Russia is the last last country in the

Russia is the last last country in the

Russia is the last last country in the
world that wants it. No, we do not want

world that wants it. No, we do not want

world that wants it. No, we do not want
any any any confrontation with anyone.

any any any confrontation with anyone.

any any any confrontation with anyone.
Yes, we certainly we have to to uh to

Yes, we certainly we have to to uh to

Yes, we certainly we have to to uh to
exercise our special military operation

exercise our special military operation

exercise our special military operation
in Ukraine, but that's another story.

in Ukraine, but that's another story.

in Ukraine, but that's another story.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, talking about Ukraine

Yeah. Yeah. Well, talking about Ukraine

Yeah. Yeah. Well, talking about Ukraine
because um one of the ways on on why

because um one of the ways on on why

because um one of the ways on on why
people get behind these kind of plans

people get behind these kind of plans

people get behind these kind of plans
and why people are really afraid of of a

and why people are really afraid of of a

and why people are really afraid of of a
potential war and also are afraid about

potential war and also are afraid about

potential war and also are afraid about
uh of Russia as well is uh is obviously

uh of Russia as well is uh is obviously

uh of Russia as well is uh is obviously
what happened in Ukraine the last couple

what happened in Ukraine the last couple

what happened in Ukraine the last couple
of years or at least the picture we get

of years or at least the picture we get

of years or at least the picture we get
out of out of it from the media. Um

out of out of it from the media. Um

out of out of it from the media. Um
because at least how they picture it is

because at least how they picture it is

because at least how they picture it is
that Russia is doing a lot of stuff

that Russia is doing a lot of stuff

that Russia is doing a lot of stuff
wrong on Ukraine and they are invading

wrong on Ukraine and they are invading

wrong on Ukraine and they are invading
Ukraine. Uh so that we as west need to

Ukraine. Uh so that we as west need to

Ukraine. Uh so that we as west need to
collectively raise our budgets etc and

collectively raise our budgets etc and

collectively raise our budgets etc and
and arm for for at least defense against

and arm for for at least defense against

and arm for for at least defense against
against Russia. Maybe it's it's good for

against Russia. Maybe it's it's good for

against Russia. Maybe it's it's good for
the listeners and for the viewers to

the listeners and for the viewers to

the listeners and for the viewers to
hear your point of view on on how this

hear your point of view on on how this

hear your point of view on on how this
conflict actually happened and maybe we

conflict actually happened and maybe we

conflict actually happened and maybe we
can go back years ago like from really

can go back years ago like from really

can go back years ago like from really
the start for your point of view on how

the start for your point of view on how

the start for your point of view on how
did this happen and where are we now at

did this happen and where are we now at

did this happen and where are we now at
the moment. Yeah. Yeah. You're quite

the moment. Yeah. Yeah. You're quite

the moment. Yeah. Yeah. You're quite
right. If we uh want just to understand

right. If we uh want just to understand

right. If we uh want just to understand
why this conflict happened, we should

why this conflict happened, we should

why this conflict happened, we should
not

not

not
start with uh 2022.

start with uh 2022.

start with uh 2022.
We should go back in history. You know,

We should go back in history. You know,

We should go back in history. You know,
first of all, I would like to stress

first of all, I would like to stress

first of all, I would like to stress
that

that

that
Russia and Ukraine are two brotherly uh

Russia and Ukraine are two brotherly uh

Russia and Ukraine are two brotherly uh
nations, two brotherly peoples. And even

nations, two brotherly peoples. And even

nations, two brotherly peoples. And even
I would uh say that there is an point of

I would uh say that there is an point of

I would uh say that there is an point of
view that I personally share that it's

view that I personally share that it's

view that I personally share that it's
one people. It's one people. You know,

one people. It's one people. You know,

one people. It's one people. You know,
Russia, Russians and Ukrainians are one

Russia, Russians and Ukrainians are one

Russia, Russians and Ukrainians are one
people. Do the Ukrainians feel the same?

people. Do the Ukrainians feel the same?

people. Do the Ukrainians feel the same?
Many, many, many, many, many, many. Yes,

Many, many, many, many, many, many. Yes,

Many, many, many, many, many, many. Yes,
certainly there is official propaganda,

certainly there is official propaganda,

certainly there is official propaganda,
official position that Ukraine has

official position that Ukraine has

official position that Ukraine has
nothing to do with Russia. But it's

nothing to do with Russia. But it's

nothing to do with Russia. But it's
absolutely nonsense from historic point

absolutely nonsense from historic point

absolutely nonsense from historic point
of view, you know, because uh uh

of view, you know, because uh uh

of view, you know, because uh uh
that was one people uh yes it was when

that was one people uh yes it was when

that was one people uh yes it was when
they start from the invasion of uh of uh

they start from the invasion of uh of uh

they start from the invasion of uh of uh
uh

uh

uh
Tatars of in in the 13th century. Yes.

Tatars of in in the 13th century. Yes.

Tatars of in in the 13th century. Yes.
part of Russia was occupied was seized

part of Russia was occupied was seized

part of Russia was occupied was seized
by the Tartars. The rest was uh occupied

by the Tartars. The rest was uh occupied

by the Tartars. The rest was uh occupied
by Lithuania at that time. It was just

by Lithuania at that time. It was just

by Lithuania at that time. It was just
not it has nothing to do with the

not it has nothing to do with the

not it has nothing to do with the
present Lithuania, but it was a rather

present Lithuania, but it was a rather

present Lithuania, but it was a rather
powerful state. Yeah. So uh two parts of

powerful state. Yeah. So uh two parts of

powerful state. Yeah. So uh two parts of
of the present Ukraine they for for some

of the present Ukraine they for for some

of the present Ukraine they for for some
time uh developed uh just a bit

time uh developed uh just a bit

time uh developed uh just a bit
differently. Yes. uh one under the

differently. Yes. uh one under the

differently. Yes. uh one under the
Polish, Lithuanian, then Polish rule,

Polish, Lithuanian, then Polish rule,

Polish, Lithuanian, then Polish rule,
this western Ukraine and uh the uh

this western Ukraine and uh the uh

this western Ukraine and uh the uh
eastern Ukraine

eastern Ukraine

eastern Ukraine
uh was re re unified with Russia in uh

uh was re re unified with Russia in uh

uh was re re unified with Russia in uh
1654

1654

1654
and what is now Lugansk, Danetsk and uh

and what is now Lugansk, Danetsk and uh

and what is now Lugansk, Danetsk and uh
southern Ukraine. It was at that time

southern Ukraine. It was at that time

southern Ukraine. It was at that time
uninhabited you know just area and no

uninhabited you know just area and no

uninhabited you know just area and no
one living there. No, there were some

one living there. No, there were some

one living there. No, there were some
tribes, you know, just and it was an

tribes, you know, just and it was an

tribes, you know, just and it was an
area in in the 18th century. It became a

area in in the 18th century. It became a

area in in the 18th century. It became a
an area of uh

an area of uh

an area of uh
uh

uh

uh
competition I would say between Russia

competition I would say between Russia

competition I would say between Russia
and Turkey. And uh there were wars and

and Turkey. And uh there were wars and

and Turkey. And uh there were wars and
uh in in in in the long run this uh area

uh in in in in the long run this uh area

uh in in in in the long run this uh area
was uh became part of Russia and it was

was uh became part of Russia and it was

was uh became part of Russia and it was
civilized and inhabited by by Russia.

civilized and inhabited by by Russia.

civilized and inhabited by by Russia.
you know, Katherine the Great

you know, Katherine the Great

you know, Katherine the Great
constructed Harkov, Adessa, Nikolai, uh,

constructed Harkov, Adessa, Nikolai, uh,

constructed Harkov, Adessa, Nikolai, uh,
etc., you know, so historically these

etc., you know, so historically these

etc., you know, so historically these
parts have nothing to do with Ukraine.

parts have nothing to do with Ukraine.

parts have nothing to do with Ukraine.
But when when the Soviet Union uh

But when when the Soviet Union uh

But when when the Soviet Union uh
collapsed and Ukraine became an

collapsed and Ukraine became an

collapsed and Ukraine became an
independent state, certainly it was it

independent state, certainly it was it

independent state, certainly it was it
was I would say well

was I would say well

was I would say well
not very

not very

not very
uh

it was a bit a bit difficult you know

it was a bit a bit difficult you know
just even even to recognize because

just even even to recognize because

just even even to recognize because
there one people one people it was

there one people one people it was

there one people one people it was
rather just uh

rather just uh

rather just uh
difficult for us to accept but uh anyway

difficult for us to accept but uh anyway

difficult for us to accept but uh anyway
but at that time sorry for interrupting

but at that time sorry for interrupting

but at that time sorry for interrupting
but at that time so Ukraine became one

but at that time so Ukraine became one

but at that time so Ukraine became one
country but there were different

country but there were different

country but there were different
languages and different people living no

languages and different people living no

languages and different people living no
no there was Ukrainians in in most of

no there was Ukrainians in in most of

no there was Ukrainians in in most of
Ukrainians they spoke Russian and they

Ukrainians they spoke Russian and they

Ukrainians they spoke Russian and they
still speak Russian yeah and uh uh

still speak Russian yeah and uh uh

still speak Russian yeah and uh uh
during the first I would say decade of

during the first I would say decade of

during the first I would say decade of
the of their independence.

the of their independence.

the of their independence.
Uh Russia fully supported and uh I would

Uh Russia fully supported and uh I would

Uh Russia fully supported and uh I would
say uh helped Ukraine in its uh just

say uh helped Ukraine in its uh just

say uh helped Ukraine in its uh just
first stage of its independence. I think

first stage of its independence. I think

first stage of its independence. I think
Ukraine mainly uh survived uh with the

Ukraine mainly uh survived uh with the

Ukraine mainly uh survived uh with the
uh enormous financial material

uh enormous financial material

uh enormous financial material
resourceful

resourceful

resourceful
uh assistance of Russia. Yeah. And and

uh assistance of Russia. Yeah. And and

uh assistance of Russia. Yeah. And and
that time just though though from the

that time just though though from the

that time just though though from the
very beginning from the very beginning

very beginning from the very beginning

very beginning from the very beginning
uh the west and regrettably I must uh

uh the west and regrettably I must uh

uh the west and regrettably I must uh
stress is uh this uh the west started to

stress is uh this uh the west started to

stress is uh this uh the west started to
construct or to transfer

construct or to transfer

construct or to transfer
uh Ukraine into a kind of an

uh Ukraine into a kind of an

uh Ukraine into a kind of an
anti-Russian project you know by

anti-Russian project you know by

anti-Russian project you know by
instigating all kind of uh

instigating all kind of uh

instigating all kind of uh
uh

uh

uh
of uh uh

of uh uh

of uh uh
very anti-Russian feelings, you know, by

very anti-Russian feelings, you know, by

very anti-Russian feelings, you know, by
uh creating a kind of an artificial and

uh creating a kind of an artificial and

uh creating a kind of an artificial and
false history.

false history.

false history.
Yeah. by uh

Yeah. by uh

Yeah. by uh
uh developing all kind of a sentiments

uh developing all kind of a sentiments

uh developing all kind of a sentiments
that that uh were just directed against

that that uh were just directed against

that that uh were just directed against
Russia

Russia

Russia
in spite of the fact that all of them

in spite of the fact that all of them

in spite of the fact that all of them
spoke Russian

spoke Russian

spoke Russian
and uh thought Russian but uh

and uh thought Russian but uh

and uh thought Russian but uh
stated that were they had nothing to do

stated that were they had nothing to do

stated that were they had nothing to do
with Russia. Yeah. This nationalistic

with Russia. Yeah. This nationalistic

with Russia. Yeah. This nationalistic
feelings were instigated were

feelings were instigated were

feelings were instigated were
instigated. Yeah. And then by whom?

instigated. Yeah. And then by whom?

instigated. Yeah. And then by whom?
By by the west I would say by the west

By by the west I would say by the west

By by the west I would say by the west
certainly there there were a lot of

certainly there there were a lot of

certainly there there were a lot of
nationalists in Ukraine mainly from from

nationalists in Ukraine mainly from from

nationalists in Ukraine mainly from from
the western part of it. Mhm. Yeah.

the western part of it. Mhm. Yeah.

the western part of it. Mhm. Yeah.
No no no K is a Russian city. Sorry

No no no K is a Russian city. Sorry

No no no K is a Russian city. Sorry
or just this part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

or just this part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

or just this part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Because you know when uh quite a lot of

Because you know when uh quite a lot of

Because you know when uh quite a lot of
Ukrainians from that part of the

Ukrainians from that part of the

Ukrainians from that part of the
country, they collaborated with uh

country, they collaborated with uh

country, they collaborated with uh
Hitler. Mhm. Yeah. And there was this

Hitler. Mhm. Yeah. And there was this

Hitler. Mhm. Yeah. And there was this
famous figure Bandera who is now

famous figure Bandera who is now

famous figure Bandera who is now
proclaimed uh hero of Ukraine. Yeah. He

proclaimed uh hero of Ukraine. Yeah. He

proclaimed uh hero of Ukraine. Yeah. He
was uh one of the close collaborators of

was uh one of the close collaborators of

was uh one of the close collaborators of
Hitler and they fought on the within the

Hitler and they fought on the within the

Hitler and they fought on the within the
ranks of the of the NATO Germany.

ranks of the of the NATO Germany.

ranks of the of the NATO Germany.
But that's the minority. The majority of

But that's the minority. The majority of

But that's the minority. The majority of
Ukrainians they felt themselves as as

Ukrainians they felt themselves as as

Ukrainians they felt themselves as as
Russians. But you know this these uh uh

Russians. But you know this these uh uh

Russians. But you know this these uh uh
feelings were instigated instigated and

feelings were instigated instigated and

feelings were instigated instigated and
then the first uh major crisis occurred

then the first uh major crisis occurred

then the first uh major crisis occurred
in 2004

in 2004

in 2004
when there was so-called orange

when there was so-called orange

when there was so-called orange
revolution

revolution

revolution
when the uh elected uh president uh of

when the uh elected uh president uh of

when the uh elected uh president uh of
Ukraine Yanukovich was not allowed to

Ukraine Yanukovich was not allowed to

Ukraine Yanukovich was not allowed to
take this post and there was just a kind

take this post and there was just a kind

take this post and there was just a kind
of a third round of of elections uh that

of a third round of of elections uh that

of a third round of of elections uh that
was absolutely unconstitutional

was absolutely unconstitutional

was absolutely unconstitutional
and that led to a constant crisis to a

and that led to a constant crisis to a

and that led to a constant crisis to a
constant crisis uh within the Ukrainian

constant crisis uh within the Ukrainian

constant crisis uh within the Ukrainian
society that was split you know the

society that was split you know the

society that was split you know the
people was split

people was split

people was split
uh the eastern and southern part of

uh the eastern and southern part of

uh the eastern and southern part of
Ukraine they they they didn't accept

Ukraine they they they didn't accept

Ukraine they they they didn't accept
this uh

this uh

this uh
uh just drift against Russia Uh

uh just drift against Russia Uh

uh just drift against Russia Uh
so uh they wanted to to retain uh

so uh they wanted to to retain uh

so uh they wanted to to retain uh
brotherly relations and all this

brotherly relations and all this

brotherly relations and all this
culminated in 2014

culminated in 2014

culminated in 2014
when uh there is Kudeta

when uh there is Kudeta

when uh there is Kudeta
when the legitimate president

when the legitimate president

when the legitimate president
Yanukovich. One might have different

Yanukovich. One might have different

Yanukovich. One might have different
opinions about his personality,

opinions about his personality,

opinions about his personality,
the way how he governed the country,

the way how he governed the country,

the way how he governed the country,
but he was a legitimate president.

but he was a legitimate president.

but he was a legitimate president.
Yeah. And he was our state in absolutely

Yeah. And he was our state in absolutely

Yeah. And he was our state in absolutely
unconstitutional way.

unconstitutional way.

unconstitutional way.
And uh uh

And uh uh

And uh uh
and uh then then very extremely

and uh then then very extremely

and uh then then very extremely
nationalistic uh forces came to power.

nationalistic uh forces came to power.

nationalistic uh forces came to power.
And they yes they took the absolutely

And they yes they took the absolutely

And they yes they took the absolutely
anti-Russian course and everything they

anti-Russian course and everything they

anti-Russian course and everything they
banning the Russian language banning the

banning the Russian language banning the

banning the Russian language banning the
Russian culture you know just

Russian culture you know just

Russian culture you know just
uh uh undermining this uh common

uh uh undermining this uh common

uh uh undermining this uh common
religion you know

religion you know

religion you know
Russian Orthodox church positions etc.

Russian Orthodox church positions etc.

Russian Orthodox church positions etc.
How did they come to power?

How did they come to power?

How did they come to power?
As a kudeta, they ousted they ousted uh

As a kudeta, they ousted they ousted uh

As a kudeta, they ousted they ousted uh
Yanukovich

Yanukovich

Yanukovich
and uh and there was there was by the

and uh and there was there was by the

and uh and there was there was by the
way there was a

way there was a

way there was a
uh a guarantee or there were guarantees

uh a guarantee or there were guarantees

uh a guarantee or there were guarantees
to given to Yanukovich by France,

to given to Yanukovich by France,

to given to Yanukovich by France,
Germany I think and Poland and these

Germany I think and Poland and these

Germany I think and Poland and these
guarantees were thrown away the next

guarantees were thrown away the next

guarantees were thrown away the next
day. Yeah. It was also by the help um uh

day. Yeah. It was also by the help um uh

day. Yeah. It was also by the help um uh
by some some like

by some some like

by some some like
Nazi oriented groups as well. Yeah.

Nazi oriented groups as well. Yeah.

Nazi oriented groups as well. Yeah.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And uh and certainly the uh the

Yeah. And uh and certainly the uh the

Yeah. And uh and certainly the uh the
Lugansk and uh uh Detsk regions they

Lugansk and uh uh Detsk regions they

Lugansk and uh uh Detsk regions they
didn't accept it. Yeah. They uh resisted

didn't accept it. Yeah. They uh resisted

didn't accept it. Yeah. They uh resisted
against this uh nationalistic policy

against this uh nationalistic policy

against this uh nationalistic policy
against uh this just uh banning of all

against uh this just uh banning of all

against uh this just uh banning of all
Russians and they were immediately

Russians and they were immediately

Russians and they were immediately
proclaimed terrorists

proclaimed terrorists

proclaimed terrorists
and uh the government uh ke regime

and uh the government uh ke regime

and uh the government uh ke regime
started so-called anti-terrorist

started so-called anti-terrorist

started so-called anti-terrorist
operation

operation

operation
by brutally suppressing

by brutally suppressing

by brutally suppressing
these parts of the country. A lot of

these parts of the country. A lot of

these parts of the country. A lot of
people say that that whole operation um

people say that that whole operation um

people say that that whole operation um
the whole that what you just just

the whole that what you just just

the whole that what you just just
described was also instigated and helped

described was also instigated and helped

described was also instigated and helped
by the CIA as well. Yeah, certainly

by the CIA as well. Yeah, certainly

by the CIA as well. Yeah, certainly
certainly. And you know there is a

certainly. And you know there is a

certainly. And you know there is a
famous famous uh photos and uh videos of

famous famous uh photos and uh videos of

famous famous uh photos and uh videos of
an infamous figure uh Victoria Nuland

an infamous figure uh Victoria Nuland

an infamous figure uh Victoria Nuland
who was assistant secretary of state of

who was assistant secretary of state of

who was assistant secretary of state of
at that time of the United States who

at that time of the United States who

at that time of the United States who
were just in the crowd were just

were just in the crowd were just

were just in the crowd were just
instigating people to to

instigating people to to

instigating people to to
uh to revolt you know

uh to revolt you know

uh to revolt you know
against against uh the uh the legitimate

against against uh the uh the legitimate

against against uh the uh the legitimate
president of that time. So that that

president of that time. So that that

president of that time. So that that
just uh caused a kind of a civil

just uh caused a kind of a civil

just uh caused a kind of a civil
conflict, you know, civil conflict and

conflict, you know, civil conflict and

conflict, you know, civil conflict and
uh the uh population of uh Dets and

uh the uh population of uh Dets and

uh the uh population of uh Dets and
Lugansk was brutally suppressed. And

Lugansk was brutally suppressed. And

Lugansk was brutally suppressed. And
when the uh when we hear that the war

when the uh when we hear that the war

when the uh when we hear that the war
started in 2022, that's not correct. Uh

started in 2022, that's not correct. Uh

started in 2022, that's not correct. Uh
the uh war started in 2014

the uh war started in 2014

the uh war started in 2014
and uh since I think

and uh since I think

and uh since I think
uh from 2014 until 2022

uh from 2014 until 2022

uh from 2014 until 2022
about 9,000 civilians were killed. No

about 9,000 civilians were killed. No

about 9,000 civilians were killed. No
one now just no one mentioned them. But

one now just no one mentioned them. But

one now just no one mentioned them. But
uh these people who were killed by by

uh these people who were killed by by

uh these people who were killed by by
the by the key forces you know since

the by the key forces you know since

the by the key forces you know since
2020 uh since 2014 yeah just just this

2020 uh since 2014 yeah just just this

2020 uh since 2014 yeah just just this
period from 14 to 22 9,000 people

period from 14 to 22 9,000 people

period from 14 to 22 9,000 people
already. Yeah. Yeah. 9,000 civilians and

already. Yeah. Yeah. 9,000 civilians and

already. Yeah. Yeah. 9,000 civilians and
that's very modest figure I would say in

that's very modest figure I would say in

that's very modest figure I would say in
in reality this is this figure is much

in reality this is this figure is much

in reality this is this figure is much
bigger you know but this is official

bigger you know but this is official

bigger you know but this is official
figure. Yeah. Yeah. So you know and and

figure. Yeah. Yeah. So you know and and

figure. Yeah. Yeah. So you know and and
we we we

we we we

we we we
there were constant bombardments,

there were constant bombardments,

there were constant bombardments,
shelling of of Lugansk and Detsk by uh

shelling of of Lugansk and Detsk by uh

shelling of of Lugansk and Detsk by uh
by the Ukrainian forces and uh President

by the Ukrainian forces and uh President

by the Ukrainian forces and uh President
Parashanka at that time. He he declared,

Parashanka at that time. He he declared,

Parashanka at that time. He he declared,
"Our children will go to kindergartens,

"Our children will go to kindergartens,

"Our children will go to kindergartens,
but their children will stay in basement

but their children will stay in basement

but their children will stay in basement
forever." And these their children, they

forever." And these their children, they

forever." And these their children, they
were children of Danetsk and Lugansk,

were children of Danetsk and Lugansk,

were children of Danetsk and Lugansk,
citizens of of Ukraine at that time, you

citizens of of Ukraine at that time, you

citizens of of Ukraine at that time, you
know,

know,

know,
uh and uh when when when it uh became

uh and uh when when when it uh became

uh and uh when when when it uh became
evident in 2015 and by the end of 2014

evident in 2015 and by the end of 2014

evident in 2015 and by the end of 2014
that uh there uh

that uh there uh

that uh there uh
Ke was not in a position to suppress

Ke was not in a position to suppress

Ke was not in a position to suppress
Detsk and Logansk. Then these Minsk

Detsk and Logansk. Then these Minsk

Detsk and Logansk. Then these Minsk
agreements came

agreements came

agreements came
and uh these were uh you know

and uh these were uh you know

and uh these were uh you know
rather rather reasonable agreements.

rather rather reasonable agreements.

rather rather reasonable agreements.
it uh that uh uh envisaged the uh

it uh that uh uh envisaged the uh

it uh that uh uh envisaged the uh
certainly the end of hostilities uh the

uh just with withdrawal of heavy weapons

uh just with withdrawal of heavy weapons
from that region. But most important,

from that region. But most important,

from that region. But most important,
the a constitutional reform in Ukraine

the a constitutional reform in Ukraine

the a constitutional reform in Ukraine
that uh uh could grant uh uh certain

that uh uh could grant uh uh certain

that uh uh could grant uh uh certain
part of autonomy to Detsk and Lugansk

part of autonomy to Detsk and Lugansk

part of autonomy to Detsk and Lugansk
and certainly that can guarantee the

and certainly that can guarantee the

and certainly that can guarantee the
status of the Russian language as the

status of the Russian language as the

status of the Russian language as the
second official language.

second official language.

second official language.
It's no it, you know, it's it was

It's no it, you know, it's it was

It's no it, you know, it's it was
reasonable reasonable agreements like

reasonable reasonable agreements like

reasonable reasonable agreements like
like for instance they're very similar

like for instance they're very similar

like for instance they're very similar
to Dayton agreements in in in Bosnia

to Dayton agreements in in in Bosnia

to Dayton agreements in in in Bosnia
that were signed in I think in 19 94 and

that were signed in I think in 19 94 and

that were signed in I think in 19 94 and
that are still still just preserve peace

that are still still just preserve peace

that are still still just preserve peace
in this region. Mhm. What kind of

in this region. Mhm. What kind of

in this region. Mhm. What kind of
autonomy would those regions get like

autonomy would those regions get like

autonomy would those regions get like
what what kind of autonomy did they

what what kind of autonomy did they

what what kind of autonomy did they
want? cultural autonomy and certainly

want? cultural autonomy and certainly

want? cultural autonomy and certainly
they can elect their own

they can elect their own

they can elect their own
governments, their own just legislative

governments, their own just legislative

governments, their own just legislative
bodies. It's a kind of a

bodies. It's a kind of a

bodies. It's a kind of a
federative state, you know, but they

federative state, you know, but they

federative state, you know, but they
would still be Ukraine. Yeah. Yeah.

would still be Ukraine. Yeah. Yeah.

would still be Ukraine. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Within the Ukraine. Within the

Yeah. Within the Ukraine. Within the

Yeah. Within the Ukraine. Within the
Ukraine. Yeah. And uh these uh these uh

Ukraine. Yeah. And uh these uh these uh

Ukraine. Yeah. And uh these uh these uh
these agreements were endorsed by the

these agreements were endorsed by the

these agreements were endorsed by the
resolution of the security council.

resolution of the security council.

resolution of the security council.
But they were never implemented. Never

But they were never implemented. Never

But they were never implemented. Never
implemented. And

implemented. And

implemented. And
it's when I hear now that the western uh

it's when I hear now that the western uh

it's when I hear now that the western uh
uh statesmen say that Russia somehow

uh statesmen say that Russia somehow

uh statesmen say that Russia somehow
didn't implement them. I would like to

didn't implement them. I would like to

didn't implement them. I would like to
rem remind the rather cynical admission

rem remind the rather cynical admission

rem remind the rather cynical admission
of uh former president of France

of uh former president of France

of uh former president of France
and former chancellor of Germany,

and former chancellor of Germany,

and former chancellor of Germany,
Madame Merkel and former president of

Madame Merkel and former president of

Madame Merkel and former president of
Ukraine Poroshena who said, "Oh no, we

Ukraine Poroshena who said, "Oh no, we

Ukraine Poroshena who said, "Oh no, we
never intended to uh implement these uh

never intended to uh implement these uh

never intended to uh implement these uh
agreements because they say that yeah

agreements because they say that yeah

agreements because they say that yeah
they said it openly. you know in an

they said it openly. you know in an

they said it openly. you know in an
interview it's absolutely accessible to

interview it's absolutely accessible to

interview it's absolutely accessible to
to anyone just looking in in internet

to anyone just looking in in internet

to anyone just looking in in internet
you'll find it. Yeah. Uh we it was a of

you'll find it. Yeah. Uh we it was a of

you'll find it. Yeah. Uh we it was a of
kind of a time gaining exercise.

kind of a time gaining exercise.

kind of a time gaining exercise.
We needed this agreement to

We needed this agreement to

We needed this agreement to
restructure our armed forces to just to

restructure our armed forces to just to

restructure our armed forces to just to
gain some strength to gain time and then

gain some strength to gain time and then

gain some strength to gain time and then
to

to

to
start again this operation against uh

start again this operation against uh

start again this operation against uh
Bugansk and Detsk.

Bugansk and Detsk.

Bugansk and Detsk.
So no and uh this operation uh these uh

So no and uh this operation uh these uh

So no and uh this operation uh these uh
hostilities uh uh became even more

hostilities uh uh became even more

hostilities uh uh became even more
brutal by 2021.

brutal by 2021.

brutal by 2021.
And you know uh and all these uh

And you know uh and all these uh

And you know uh and all these uh
hostilities, all these uh atrocities

hostilities, all these uh atrocities

hostilities, all these uh atrocities
were accompanied by the declaration of

were accompanied by the declaration of

were accompanied by the declaration of
uh at that time already uh uh

president of of Ukraine uh uh who said

president of of Ukraine uh uh who said
that we want to

that we want to

that we want to
withdraw from Budapest memorandum.

withdraw from Budapest memorandum.

withdraw from Budapest memorandum.
that banned the uh the acquisition of

that banned the uh the acquisition of

that banned the uh the acquisition of
Ukraine of nuclear weapons. We want to

Ukraine of nuclear weapons. We want to

Ukraine of nuclear weapons. We want to
be a nuclear country.

be a nuclear country.

be a nuclear country.
Yeah. And uh that was stated uh at I

Yeah. And uh that was stated uh at I

Yeah. And uh that was stated uh at I
think in in Munich during the

think in in Munich during the

think in in Munich during the
conference.

conference.

conference.
And uh

And uh

And uh
uh

uh

uh
simultaneously

simultaneously

simultaneously
uh it was absolutely clear that they

uh it was absolutely clear that they

uh it was absolutely clear that they
were preparing a huge offensive against

were preparing a huge offensive against

were preparing a huge offensive against
Logansk and Danetsk by uh March 2022.

So

So
we were just forced to start our just

we were just forced to start our just

we were just forced to start our just
operation. We had no other choice. It

operation. We had no other choice. It

operation. We had no other choice. It
was not our best choice I would say but

was not our best choice I would say but

was not our best choice I would say but
we didn't have other choice you know to

we didn't have other choice you know to

we didn't have other choice you know to
stop it because no no no any any

stop it because no no no any any

stop it because no no no any any
responsible

responsible

responsible
state can afford to have such an

state can afford to have such an

state can afford to have such an
aggressive neighbor on its southern

aggressive neighbor on its southern

aggressive neighbor on its southern
border.

border.

border.
But even even by the very last moment we

But even even by the very last moment we

But even even by the very last moment we
tried to uh agree with the west on uh

tried to uh agree with the west on uh

tried to uh agree with the west on uh
the political settlement

the political settlement

the political settlement
and now uh we uh presented uh uh

and now uh we uh presented uh uh

and now uh we uh presented uh uh
two draft agreements to the United

two draft agreements to the United

two draft agreements to the United
States and to NATO on security

States and to NATO on security

States and to NATO on security
guarantees

guarantees

guarantees
and our our MSRs uh our deputy ministers

and our our MSRs uh our deputy ministers

and our our MSRs uh our deputy ministers
They visited Brussels. They visited uh

They visited Brussels. They visited uh

They visited Brussels. They visited uh
Washington.

Washington.

Washington.
They tried to persuade just to go ahead

They tried to persuade just to go ahead

They tried to persuade just to go ahead
with with uh with uh these uh

with with uh with uh these uh

with with uh with uh these uh
documents at least to discuss them. What

documents at least to discuss them. What

documents at least to discuss them. What
what was in that proposal?

what was in that proposal?

what was in that proposal?
Well,

Well,

Well,
some basic elements. First of all, the

some basic elements. First of all, the

some basic elements. First of all, the
uh the uh the guarantees that uh Ukraine

uh the uh the guarantees that uh Ukraine

uh the uh the guarantees that uh Ukraine
will not join NATO.

will not join NATO.

will not join NATO.
Then uh kind of a you know just security

Then uh kind of a you know just security

Then uh kind of a you know just security
arrangements on this uh western border

arrangements on this uh western border

arrangements on this uh western border
Russia with NATO. Yeah. some

Russia with NATO. Yeah. some

Russia with NATO. Yeah. some
just there were quite quite a lot of

just there were quite quite a lot of

just there were quite quite a lot of
items but uh they were not even

items but uh they were not even

items but uh they were not even
discussed you know not even they were

discussed you know not even they were

discussed you know not even they were
just thrown away. Yeah. And certainly if

just thrown away. Yeah. And certainly if

just thrown away. Yeah. And certainly if
uh this if uh this uh

uh this if uh this uh

uh this if uh this uh
dialogue

dialogue

dialogue
uh started at that time perhaps

uh started at that time perhaps

uh started at that time perhaps
or I'm sure the situation would be

or I'm sure the situation would be

or I'm sure the situation would be
different

different

different
and even after the uh after the start of

and even after the uh after the start of

and even after the uh after the start of
the uh military operation in March 2022

the uh military operation in March 2022

the uh military operation in March 2022
we had

we had

we had
peaceful contacts with the Ukraine in in

peaceful contacts with the Ukraine in in

peaceful contacts with the Ukraine in in
Istanbul

Istanbul

Istanbul
and we were on the verge of signing an

and we were on the verge of signing an

and we were on the verge of signing an
agreement

agreement

agreement
in March 22. In March 22. Yeah. And it

in March 22. In March 22. Yeah. And it

in March 22. In March 22. Yeah. And it
was also very favorable for for Ukraine

was also very favorable for for Ukraine

was also very favorable for for Ukraine
because you know at that time what we

because you know at that time what we

because you know at that time what we
wanted we we wanted also the neutral

wanted we we wanted also the neutral

wanted we we wanted also the neutral
status of Ukraine non-aligned neutral

status of Ukraine non-aligned neutral

status of Ukraine non-aligned neutral
status the recognition of the Russian

status the recognition of the Russian

status the recognition of the Russian
language

language

language
the uh and we didn't even insist at that

the uh and we didn't even insist at that

the uh and we didn't even insist at that
time on the autonomy of Logansk and

time on the autonomy of Logansk and

time on the autonomy of Logansk and
Detsk on the independence of Logansk and

Detsk on the independence of Logansk and

Detsk on the independence of Logansk and
Detsk you know and u so But uh and the

Detsk you know and u so But uh and the

Detsk you know and u so But uh and the
Ukrainian side was almost ready to to to

Ukrainian side was almost ready to to to

Ukrainian side was almost ready to to to
accept it. But then it was also

accept it. But then it was also

accept it. But then it was also
recognized by by

recognized by by

recognized by by
in many interviews the uh British uh

in many interviews the uh British uh

in many interviews the uh British uh
prime minister Mr. Boris Johnson

prime minister Mr. Boris Johnson

prime minister Mr. Boris Johnson
called

called

called
uh President Zelinski and said no no no

uh President Zelinski and said no no no

uh President Zelinski and said no no no
go on fighting. So you think Silinski

go on fighting. So you think Silinski

go on fighting. So you think Silinski
was ready to sign the deal and Boris

was ready to sign the deal and Boris

was ready to sign the deal and Boris
Johnson was intruding? That's that's how

Johnson was intruding? That's that's how

Johnson was intruding? That's that's how
how how the situation is seen now, you

how how the situation is seen now, you

how how the situation is seen now, you
know.

know.

know.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Yeah. Now uh now uh uh we we we we see

Yeah. Now uh now uh uh we we we we see

Yeah. Now uh now uh uh we we we we see
that uh this uh especially with the new

that uh this uh especially with the new

that uh this uh especially with the new
American administration that is more I

American administration that is more I

American administration that is more I
would say realistic in its approach to

would say realistic in its approach to

would say realistic in its approach to
the situation and uh with President

the situation and uh with President

the situation and uh with President
Trump who

Trump who

Trump who
sincerely wants to be

sincerely wants to be

sincerely wants to be
to have peace to achieve peace. We see

to have peace to achieve peace. We see

to have peace to achieve peace. We see
the situation certainly different and uh

the situation certainly different and uh

the situation certainly different and uh
we it was Russia that uh proposed this

we it was Russia that uh proposed this

we it was Russia that uh proposed this
uh peace talks with Ukraine and there

uh peace talks with Ukraine and there

uh peace talks with Ukraine and there
were already two rounds of of uh these

were already two rounds of of uh these

were already two rounds of of uh these
talks

talks

talks
contacts and uh and was there was a

contacts and uh and was there was a

contacts and uh and was there was a
memorandum

memorandum

memorandum
handed over to the Ukrainian side by the

handed over to the Ukrainian side by the

handed over to the Ukrainian side by the
Russian delegation. uh this memorandum

Russian delegation. uh this memorandum

Russian delegation. uh this memorandum
was not published so I can only presume

was not published so I can only presume

was not published so I can only presume
what uh does it contain but uh it's

what uh does it contain but uh it's

what uh does it contain but uh it's
basically I think on the on the it is

basically I think on the on the it is

basically I think on the on the it is
based on the proposals of President

based on the proposals of President

based on the proposals of President
Putin that was put forward a year ago in

Putin that was put forward a year ago in

Putin that was put forward a year ago in
June 2014

June 2014

June 2014
uh 22 in in Moscow when he addressed the

uh 22 in in Moscow when he addressed the

uh 22 in in Moscow when he addressed the
staff of the foreign ministry and Uh the

staff of the foreign ministry and Uh the

staff of the foreign ministry and Uh the
main the main task for us, the main

main the main task for us, the main

main the main task for us, the main
condition for us is to eliminate the

condition for us is to eliminate the

condition for us is to eliminate the
core core uh causes of this conflict,

core core uh causes of this conflict,

core core uh causes of this conflict,
you know, and what are they? Uh first

you know, and what are they? Uh first

you know, and what are they? Uh first
just first uh the recognition certainly

just first uh the recognition certainly

just first uh the recognition certainly
of the territories of the territories

of the territories of the territories

of the territories of the territories
that joined the Russian Federation and

that joined the Russian Federation and

that joined the Russian Federation and
where there were referendas. It's uh

where there were referendas. It's uh

where there were referendas. It's uh
certainly Crimea then Logansk Detskia

certainly Crimea then Logansk Detskia

certainly Crimea then Logansk Detskia
and Hers regions

and Hers regions

and Hers regions
uh then uh the neutrality of uh Ukraine

uh then uh the neutrality of uh Ukraine

uh then uh the neutrality of uh Ukraine
uh it's uh non-allian status

uh it's uh non-allian status

uh it's uh non-allian status
uh refusal to participate in any

uh refusal to participate in any

uh refusal to participate in any
military alliances

military alliances

military alliances
uh then certainly non-uclear status of

uh then certainly non-uclear status of

uh then certainly non-uclear status of
Ukraine

There should not be any desire to regain

There should not be any desire to regain
nuclear potential.

nuclear potential.

nuclear potential.
Then uh there should be a kind of a

Then uh there should be a kind of a

Then uh there should be a kind of a
demilitarization of Ukraine

demilitarization of Ukraine

demilitarization of Ukraine
kind of you know just uh number of

kind of you know just uh number of

kind of you know just uh number of
number of maximum number of armed forces

number of maximum number of armed forces

number of maximum number of armed forces
to be fixed in this agreements. Yeah.

to be fixed in this agreements. Yeah.

to be fixed in this agreements. Yeah.
not to not to not to retain this huge

not to not to not to retain this huge

not to not to not to retain this huge
military machine that uh Ukraine now

military machine that uh Ukraine now

military machine that uh Ukraine now
accumulated with the assistance of of of

accumulated with the assistance of of of

accumulated with the assistance of of of
NATO and other countries. Uh then

NATO and other countries. Uh then

NATO and other countries. Uh then
official status of the Russian language

official status of the Russian language

official status of the Russian language
as a second language at least that

as a second language at least that

as a second language at least that
language where people can speak freely.

language where people can speak freely.

language where people can speak freely.
No. then certainly uh ban on any

No. then certainly uh ban on any

No. then certainly uh ban on any
propaganda or glorification of Nazism

propaganda or glorification of Nazism

propaganda or glorification of Nazism
because we know all now that it's now

because we know all now that it's now

because we know all now that it's now
flourishing flourishing in the Ukraine.

flourishing flourishing in the Ukraine.

flourishing flourishing in the Ukraine.
Yeah. Is it? Is it? Well, it's the fact

Yeah. Is it? Is it? Well, it's the fact

Yeah. Is it? Is it? Well, it's the fact
that you are asking this question shows

that you are asking this question shows

that you are asking this question shows
that we are not aware but that's the

that we are not aware but that's the

that we are not aware but that's the
fact you know there are marches marshes

fact you know there are marches marshes

fact you know there are marches marshes
of of of this uh just uh uh ultrainist

of of of this uh just uh uh ultrainist

of of of this uh just uh uh ultrainist
uh troops with all these Nazi Nazi

uh troops with all these Nazi Nazi

uh troops with all these Nazi Nazi
symbols

and Bandera is a national hero. Shavic

and Bandera is a national hero. Shavic
is a national hero. They were all

is a national hero. They were all

is a national hero. They were all
figurants of the Nuremberg process, you

figurants of the Nuremberg process, you

figurants of the Nuremberg process, you
know.

know.

know.
They were uh

They were uh

They were uh
they were uh just

they were uh just

they were uh just
guilty of exterminating Jews, Polish and

guilty of exterminating Jews, Polish and

guilty of exterminating Jews, Polish and
Polish know about it.

Polish know about it.

Polish know about it.
Mhm. Yeah.

Mhm. Yeah.

Mhm. Yeah.
Then uh certainly uh lifting of economic

Then uh certainly uh lifting of economic

Then uh certainly uh lifting of economic
sanctions against the Russian

sanctions against the Russian

sanctions against the Russian
Federation. We we believe that sanctions

Federation. We we believe that sanctions

Federation. We we believe that sanctions
do not do any good to both sides. We can

do not do any good to both sides. We can

do not do any good to both sides. We can
we can survive you know we we are we are

we can survive you know we we are we are

we can survive you know we we are we are
living with the sanctions for some years

living with the sanctions for some years

living with the sanctions for some years
now and they certainly it's not uh it's

now and they certainly it's not uh it's

now and they certainly it's not uh it's
not something that we are happy with but

not something that we are happy with but

not something that we are happy with but
uh it's not a kind of a very dramatic uh

uh it's not a kind of a very dramatic uh

uh it's not a kind of a very dramatic uh
dramatic uh I would say factor that

dramatic uh I would say factor that

dramatic uh I would say factor that
influences our economy. Our economy is

influences our economy. Our economy is

influences our economy. Our economy is
quite solid in spite of all f uh

quite solid in spite of all f uh

quite solid in spite of all f uh
sanctions and even even

sanctions and even even

sanctions and even even
it uh they do us uh some some good you

it uh they do us uh some some good you

it uh they do us uh some some good you
know because it uh sanctions pro

know because it uh sanctions pro

know because it uh sanctions pro
prompted the development of domestic

prompted the development of domestic

prompted the development of domestic
production.

production.

production.
So you

So you

So you
do you think now that because of the

do you think now that because of the

do you think now that because of the
sanctions you're like you don't think

sanctions you're like you don't think

sanctions you're like you don't think
that you feel them at all? No, we feel

that you feel them at all? No, we feel

that you feel them at all? No, we feel
them. Certainly, we feel I I would I

them. Certainly, we feel I I would I

them. Certainly, we feel I I would I
would not be sincere if I say that we do

would not be sincere if I say that we do

would not be sincere if I say that we do
not feel uh for for the ordinary people.

not feel uh for for the ordinary people.

not feel uh for for the ordinary people.
No, we do not feel any sanctions. You

No, we do not feel any sanctions. You

No, we do not feel any sanctions. You
know, if you go to the streets of

know, if you go to the streets of

know, if you go to the streets of
Moscow, no. No. But for the budget, for

Moscow, no. No. But for the budget, for

Moscow, no. No. But for the budget, for
the uh economy, for macroeconomy,

the uh economy, for macroeconomy,

the uh economy, for macroeconomy,
certainly certainly there are

certainly certainly there are

certainly certainly there are
difficulties and certainly there are uh

difficulties and certainly there are uh

difficulties and certainly there are uh
considerable difficulty in banking

considerable difficulty in banking

considerable difficulty in banking
operations

operations

operations
with with uh international financial

with with uh international financial

with with uh international financial
transfers, you know. How do you like how

transfers, you know. How do you like how

transfers, you know. How do you like how
do you notice difference in that like

do you notice difference in that like

do you notice difference in that like
what makes it difficult?

what makes it difficult?

what makes it difficult?
For instance, you know, it's it's it's

For instance, you know, it's it's it's

For instance, you know, it's it's it's
our embassy here is cannot be adequately

our embassy here is cannot be adequately

our embassy here is cannot be adequately
supply financed from Moscow because of

supply financed from Moscow because of

supply financed from Moscow because of
all the difficulties in in transfers.

all the difficulties in in transfers.

all the difficulties in in transfers.
But that's that's for the embassy. But

But that's that's for the embassy. But

But that's that's for the embassy. But
for the for the trade for the big

for the for the trade for the big

for the for the trade for the big
companies, you know, they certainly they

companies, you know, they certainly they

companies, you know, they certainly they
create the the sanctions create

create the the sanctions create

create the the sanctions create
problems. But we are uh we can overcome

problems. But we are uh we can overcome

problems. But we are uh we can overcome
them. But it also uh does a lot of harm

them. But it also uh does a lot of harm

them. But it also uh does a lot of harm
to European people. Definitely. Yeah.

to European people. Definitely. Yeah.

to European people. Definitely. Yeah.
You know this for instance cheap Russian

You know this for instance cheap Russian

You know this for instance cheap Russian
gas that was the

gas that was the

gas that was the
one of the locomotives of of the

one of the locomotives of of the

one of the locomotives of of the
economic growth. Yeah. Both in the

economic growth. Yeah. Both in the

economic growth. Yeah. Both in the
Netherlands in in Germany. Now you have

Netherlands in in Germany. Now you have

Netherlands in in Germany. Now you have
to buy very expensive gas elsewhere.

to buy very expensive gas elsewhere.

to buy very expensive gas elsewhere.
Yeah. or green stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. or green stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. or green stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh sanctions are

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh sanctions are

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh sanctions are
these are just a kind of a weapon that

these are just a kind of a weapon that

these are just a kind of a weapon that
is uh dangerous to both sides. So,

is uh dangerous to both sides. So,

is uh dangerous to both sides. So,
lifting them will be certainly will be

lifting them will be certainly will be

lifting them will be certainly will be
in the interest of of all. Yeah. And uh

in the interest of of all. Yeah. And uh

in the interest of of all. Yeah. And uh
then

then

then
uh

uh

uh
certainly family re reunifications

certainly family re reunifications

certainly family re reunifications
of families is also very important

of families is also very important

of families is also very important
because a lot of families are separated

because a lot of families are separated

because a lot of families are separated
you know partly

you know partly

you know partly
in Russia

in Russia

in Russia
others relatives live in in in the

others relatives live in in in the

others relatives live in in in the
Ukraine. It's also very important. Yeah.

Ukraine. It's also very important. Yeah.

Ukraine. It's also very important. Yeah.
And uh

bacteria and

bacteria and
a mix.

the links that oak in in the show notes.

the links that oak in in the show notes.
Uh

Uh

Uh
certainly renounce of uh all mutual

certainly renounce of uh all mutual

certainly renounce of uh all mutual
uh claims

uh claims

uh claims
including legal claims in connection

including legal claims in connection

including legal claims in connection
with the damage caused.

with the damage caused.

with the damage caused.
And uh uh because we we we

And uh uh because we we we

And uh uh because we we we
have a lot of a lot of uh uh losses with

have a lot of a lot of uh uh losses with

have a lot of a lot of uh uh losses with
the

the

the
uh operations of of Ukraines, especially

uh operations of of Ukraines, especially

uh operations of of Ukraines, especially
with all this uh just shelling of of

with all this uh just shelling of of

with all this uh just shelling of of
cities in Donbas and Lugansk. And

cities in Donbas and Lugansk. And

cities in Donbas and Lugansk. And
certainly when the Ukrainians invaded

certainly when the Ukrainians invaded

certainly when the Ukrainians invaded
the Korsk region and part of this they

the Korsk region and part of this they

the Korsk region and part of this they
they managed for for a certain period of

they managed for for a certain period of

they managed for for a certain period of
time to seize a small part of the Korsk

time to seize a small part of the Korsk

time to seize a small part of the Korsk
region. It they they practically

region. It they they practically

region. It they they practically
destroyed everything all infrastructure

destroyed everything all infrastructure

destroyed everything all infrastructure
there.

there.

there.
So we we we

So we we we

So we we we
should and we must uh certainly

claim the the uh damage the

claim the the uh damage the
compensation. But on the reciprocal

compensation. But on the reciprocal

compensation. But on the reciprocal
basis perhaps we can arrange that these

basis perhaps we can arrange that these

basis perhaps we can arrange that these
are these claims are lifted you know and

are these claims are lifted you know and

are these claims are lifted you know and
certainly the uh lifting of uh

certainly the uh lifting of uh

certainly the uh lifting of uh
restrictions

restrictions

restrictions
on the Russian Orthodox Church because

on the Russian Orthodox Church because

on the Russian Orthodox Church because
now uh the since

now uh the since

now uh the since
since the the u Zalinski came to power

since the the u Zalinski came to power

since the the u Zalinski came to power
he he he started to suppress Russian

he he he started to suppress Russian

he he he started to suppress Russian
Orthodox church in spite of the fact

Orthodox church in spite of the fact

Orthodox church in spite of the fact
that most of the Ukrainians they they

that most of the Ukrainians they they

that most of the Ukrainians they they
are Russian Orthodox.

are Russian Orthodox.

are Russian Orthodox.
Yeah. And

Yeah. And

Yeah. And
so uh you know that's that's probably

so uh you know that's that's probably

so uh you know that's that's probably
the

the

the
elements of the peace plan that can be

elements of the peace plan that can be

elements of the peace plan that can be
discussed. Yeah. So that like in bullet

discussed. Yeah. So that like in bullet

discussed. Yeah. So that like in bullet
points points Russia would need to come

points points Russia would need to come

points points Russia would need to come
to peace in the region. Yeah. Yeah.

to peace in the region. Yeah. Yeah.

to peace in the region. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And certainly there is now a

Yeah. Yeah. And certainly there is now a

Yeah. Yeah. And certainly there is now a
lot of fuss again about Russia Ukrainian

lot of fuss again about Russia Ukrainian

lot of fuss again about Russia Ukrainian
summit.

summit.

summit.
We are not against it in spite of the

We are not against it in spite of the

We are not against it in spite of the
fact that Zalinski is not any more

fact that Zalinski is not any more

fact that Zalinski is not any more
legitimate uh president. His his term of

legitimate uh president. His his term of

legitimate uh president. His his term of
office expired a year ago. Yeah. This I

office expired a year ago. Yeah. This I

office expired a year ago. Yeah. This I
I just found out recently because of he

I just found out recently because of he

I just found out recently because of he
because of he claims there the war that

because of he claims there the war that

because of he claims there the war that
he can't there can't be any new

he can't there can't be any new

he can't there can't be any new
elections at the moment. Yeah. But the

elections at the moment. Yeah. But the

elections at the moment. Yeah. But the
constitution doesn't doesn't uh uh uh

constitution doesn't doesn't uh uh uh

constitution doesn't doesn't uh uh uh
allow it, you know, just any any

allow it, you know, just any any

allow it, you know, just any any
expansion of powers. So the only

expansion of powers. So the only

expansion of powers. So the only
legitimate figure now in Ukraine is the

legitimate figure now in Ukraine is the

legitimate figure now in Ukraine is the
president of the parliament because at

president of the parliament because at

president of the parliament because at
least it was he was elected. Yeah. But

least it was he was elected. Yeah. But

least it was he was elected. Yeah. But
anyway, we we we uh we are not against

anyway, we we we uh we are not against

anyway, we we we uh we are not against
having this meeting, but it should be

having this meeting, but it should be

having this meeting, but it should be
well prepared, you know, not just to

well prepared, you know, not just to

well prepared, you know, not just to
meet and uh to to then

meet and uh to to then

meet and uh to to then
to say hello and then or or or not say

to say hello and then or or or not say

to say hello and then or or or not say
hello and then just uh to go in

hello and then just uh to go in

hello and then just uh to go in
different directions that will not uh do

different directions that will not uh do

different directions that will not uh do
any good. the uh the summit should be

any good. the uh the summit should be

any good. the uh the summit should be
the result of a well uh prepared process

the result of a well uh prepared process

the result of a well uh prepared process
of negotiations, you know. Mhm. Yeah.

of negotiations, you know. Mhm. Yeah.

of negotiations, you know. Mhm. Yeah.
And uh and what we see also now that the

And uh and what we see also now that the

And uh and what we see also now that the
European Union is probably the main

European Union is probably the main

European Union is probably the main
obstacle to peace. Why is that? Well, we

obstacle to peace. Why is that? Well, we

obstacle to peace. Why is that? Well, we
we hear we we hear the statements of

we hear we we hear the statements of

we hear we we hear the statements of
President Mcron of prime minister of the

President Mcron of prime minister of the

President Mcron of prime minister of the
United Kingdom. Yeah. of a chancellor of

United Kingdom. Yeah. of a chancellor of

United Kingdom. Yeah. of a chancellor of
Germany that they they they say oh no no

Germany that they they they say oh no no

Germany that they they they say oh no no
no there should not be any peace talks.

no there should not be any peace talks.

no there should not be any peace talks.
There should be ceasefire immediately

There should be ceasefire immediately

There should be ceasefire immediately
ceasefire but ceasefire without any

ceasefire but ceasefire without any

ceasefire but ceasefire without any
accompanying factors is nothing. You

accompanying factors is nothing. You

accompanying factors is nothing. You
know what? Why does Ukraine need

know what? Why does Ukraine need

know what? Why does Ukraine need
ceasefire also to to to restore to rearm

ceasefire also to to to restore to rearm

ceasefire also to to to restore to rearm
to reorganize to restore its military

to reorganize to restore its military

to reorganize to restore its military
potential because it's now losing the

potential because it's now losing the

potential because it's now losing the
war. It's evident when uh the

war. It's evident when uh the

war. It's evident when uh the
western politicians politicians believed

western politicians politicians believed

western politicians politicians believed
that uh the Ukraine could win the war.

that uh the Ukraine could win the war.

that uh the Ukraine could win the war.
Yeah. when they just hoped for a

Yeah. when they just hoped for a

Yeah. when they just hoped for a
strategic defeat of Russia, they said,

strategic defeat of Russia, they said,

strategic defeat of Russia, they said,
"Oh, no, no, no, no ceasefire. No

"Oh, no, no, no, no ceasefire. No

"Oh, no, no, no, no ceasefire. No
ceasefire over here. Go on fighting."

ceasefire over here. Go on fighting."

ceasefire over here. Go on fighting."
Now, when the situation for Ukraine is

Now, when the situation for Ukraine is

Now, when the situation for Ukraine is
uh much worse, they say, "No, no, let's

uh much worse, they say, "No, no, let's

uh much worse, they say, "No, no, let's
have ceasefire."

have ceasefire."

have ceasefire."
Yeah. But ceasefire by by itself is

Yeah. But ceasefire by by itself is

Yeah. But ceasefire by by itself is
nothing. As I had already mentioned, it

nothing. As I had already mentioned, it

nothing. As I had already mentioned, it
must be at least accompanied by

must be at least accompanied by

must be at least accompanied by
uh uh by

uh uh by

uh uh by
uh the uh ban of any any military

uh the uh ban of any any military

uh the uh ban of any any military
supplies to Ukraine and uh the

supplies to Ukraine and uh the

supplies to Ukraine and uh the
mobilization in Ukraine that is going on

mobilization in Ukraine that is going on

mobilization in Ukraine that is going on
should be stopped at least. At least

should be stopped at least. At least

should be stopped at least. At least
yeah. So can can you help because um for

yeah. So can can you help because um for

yeah. So can can you help because um for
me the the and thanks for like talking

me the the and thanks for like talking

me the the and thanks for like talking
about the timeline and stuff but in the

about the timeline and stuff but in the

about the timeline and stuff but in the
timeline I miss a point where uh

timeline I miss a point where uh

timeline I miss a point where uh
especially in the western media at

especially in the western media at

especially in the western media at
certain point we're like but now Russia

certain point we're like but now Russia

certain point we're like but now Russia
has invaded for example I don't know how

has invaded for example I don't know how

has invaded for example I don't know how
you say it in Russian but the grim

you say it in Russian but the grim

you say it in Russian but the grim
um

um

um
uh

uh

uh
and that was I think one big moment in

and that was I think one big moment in

and that was I think one big moment in
western media where they were like okay

western media where they were like okay

western media where they were like okay
so now the western the NATO and and and

so now the western the NATO and and and

so now the western the NATO and and and
Ukraine should really like get their

Ukraine should really like get their

Ukraine should really like get their
foot down and um yeah, Russia never

foot down and um yeah, Russia never

foot down and um yeah, Russia never
invaded Crimea, you know. Crimea. Yeah.

invaded Crimea, you know. Crimea. Yeah.

invaded Crimea, you know. Crimea. Yeah.
Uh uh uh in 2014

Uh uh uh in 2014

Uh uh uh in 2014
when uh this uh there was a coupar in in

when uh this uh there was a coupar in in

when uh this uh there was a coupar in in
Kief. Yeah. Crimea Crimean people,

Kief. Yeah. Crimea Crimean people,

Kief. Yeah. Crimea Crimean people,
Crimean Parliament

Crimean Parliament

Crimean Parliament
proclaimed independence,

proclaimed independence,

proclaimed independence,
you know, without certainly there were

you know, without certainly there were

you know, without certainly there were
no Russian troops that there at that

no Russian troops that there at that

no Russian troops that there at that
time. Yeah. Uh and and then then there

time. Yeah. Uh and and then then there

time. Yeah. Uh and and then then there
was a referendum and by referendum it

was a referendum and by referendum it

was a referendum and by referendum it
joined uh

joined uh

joined uh
joint Russian Federation. You know it

joint Russian Federation. You know it

joint Russian Federation. You know it
was absolutely legal way. Legal way

was absolutely legal way. Legal way

was absolutely legal way. Legal way
they say about Kosovo. Yeah. In Kosovo

they say about Kosovo. Yeah. In Kosovo

they say about Kosovo. Yeah. In Kosovo
there was never a referendum but in

there was never a referendum but in

there was never a referendum but in
Crimea there was a referendum. The same

Crimea there was a referendum. The same

Crimea there was a referendum. The same
referendum was in Logans, Dan, Zero, and

referendum was in Logans, Dan, Zero, and

referendum was in Logans, Dan, Zero, and
Erson. Yeah. People proclaimed there,

Erson. Yeah. People proclaimed there,

Erson. Yeah. People proclaimed there,
they they expressed their will and then

they they expressed their will and then

they they expressed their will and then
you know when when uh the western u

you know when when uh the western u

you know when when uh the western u
countries speak about the United Nations

countries speak about the United Nations

countries speak about the United Nations
charter. Yeah. Well, the charter was was

charter. Yeah. Well, the charter was was

charter. Yeah. Well, the charter was was
violated the right of uh the territorial

violated the right of uh the territorial

violated the right of uh the territorial
integrity. Yeah. But uh the uh

integrity. Yeah. But uh the uh

integrity. Yeah. But uh the uh
principles and norms of the United

principles and norms of the United

principles and norms of the United
Nations charter they must be read in

Nations charter they must be read in

Nations charter they must be read in
their entirety. You know you cannot just

their entirety. You know you cannot just

their entirety. You know you cannot just
single out one principle. For instance,

single out one principle. For instance,

single out one principle. For instance,
there is yes, there is a principle of

there is yes, there is a principle of

there is yes, there is a principle of
territorial integrity, but there is a

territorial integrity, but there is a

territorial integrity, but there is a
principle of self-determination

principle of self-determination

principle of self-determination
that is equally important,

that is equally important,

that is equally important,
you know, and these people of all these

you know, and these people of all these

you know, and these people of all these
regions, they exercised their right to

regions, they exercised their right to

regions, they exercised their right to
self-determination. There was absolutely

self-determination. There was absolutely

self-determination. There was absolutely
no no pressure on them. They they they

no no pressure on them. They they they

no no pressure on them. They they they
are all Russians. They they feel

are all Russians. They they feel

are all Russians. They they feel
Russians. They want to be with Russia.

Russians. They want to be with Russia.

Russians. They want to be with Russia.
They won't speak Russian, feel Russian,

They won't speak Russian, feel Russian,

They won't speak Russian, feel Russian,
see Russian films, you know, read

see Russian films, you know, read

see Russian films, you know, read
Russian books. They do not want to be

Russian books. They do not want to be

Russian books. They do not want to be
Ukrainians as as as Ukrainian is now

Ukrainians as as as Ukrainian is now

Ukrainians as as as Ukrainian is now
posing themselves as something

posing themselves as something

posing themselves as something
something, you know, that has nothing to

something, you know, that has nothing to

something, you know, that has nothing to
do with Russia. Yeah. And that's that's

do with Russia. Yeah. And that's that's

do with Russia. Yeah. And that's that's
that's it. That's it. That's it.

that's it. That's it. That's it.

that's it. That's it. That's it.
And is there a group of people in

And is there a group of people in

And is there a group of people in
Ukraine um who because I know some

Ukraine um who because I know some

Ukraine um who because I know some
people from the Ukraine from the

people from the Ukraine from the

people from the Ukraine from the
Netherlands for example like well-known

Netherlands for example like well-known

Netherlands for example like well-known
people as well um and they like

people as well um and they like

people as well um and they like
obviously they also um look at this

obviously they also um look at this

obviously they also um look at this
whole conflict like from a different

whole conflict like from a different

whole conflict like from a different
point of view and they uh they also say

point of view and they uh they also say

point of view and they uh they also say
that but there's also a big group of

that but there's also a big group of

that but there's also a big group of
people who don't want to like who don't

people who don't want to like who don't

people who don't want to like who don't
feel that Russian they do feel uh more

feel that Russian they do feel uh more

feel that Russian they do feel uh more
like whatever European or whatever they

like whatever European or whatever they

like whatever European or whatever they
they call it, but they they don't feel

they call it, but they they don't feel

they call it, but they they don't feel
that Russian as you describe a lot of

that Russian as you describe a lot of

that Russian as you describe a lot of
people in your uh yes maybe certainly

people in your uh yes maybe certainly

people in your uh yes maybe certainly
certainly certainly certainly then then

certainly certainly certainly then then

certainly certainly certainly then then
uh well

uh let them live in that part of Ukraine

uh let them live in that part of Ukraine
that is uh that will be we do not have

that is uh that will be we do not have

that is uh that will be we do not have
no intentions to occupy the whole

no intentions to occupy the whole

no intentions to occupy the whole
Ukraine you know just to and we do not

Ukraine you know just to and we do not

Ukraine you know just to and we do not
want uh to just to to destroy this this

want uh to just to to destroy this this

want uh to just to to destroy this this
state as a whole, you know, we

state as a whole, you know, we

state as a whole, you know, we
understand that in the west of Ukraine,

understand that in the west of Ukraine,

understand that in the west of Ukraine,
people feel differently. Yeah. They

people feel differently. Yeah. They

people feel differently. Yeah. They
always felt differently. Okay. Okay. Let

always felt differently. Okay. Okay. Let

always felt differently. Okay. Okay. Let
them let them live there that let them

them let them live there that let them

them let them live there that let them
uh feel themselves as as something

uh feel themselves as as something

uh feel themselves as as something
different. But uh what we insist on that

different. But uh what we insist on that

different. But uh what we insist on that
they they should not pose any threat to

they they should not pose any threat to

they they should not pose any threat to
Russia, you know. Mhm. We are not going

Russia, you know. Mhm. We are not going

Russia, you know. Mhm. We are not going
to to pose any threat to them if there

to to pose any threat to them if there

to to pose any threat to them if there
is a political settlement.

is a political settlement.

is a political settlement.
I I I I believe I hope and I'm sure that

I I I I believe I hope and I'm sure that

I I I I believe I hope and I'm sure that
time will come that Russia and Ukraine

time will come that Russia and Ukraine

time will come that Russia and Ukraine
will live as good neighbors

will live as good neighbors

will live as good neighbors
as they always did actually. Yeah. Yeah.

as they always did actually. Yeah. Yeah.

as they always did actually. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Can we do a short toilet

Yeah. Yeah. Can we do a short toilet

Yeah. Yeah. Can we do a short toilet
break? Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

break? Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

break? Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
So to me it sounds like um obviously

So to me it sounds like um obviously

So to me it sounds like um obviously
that's with every conflict I would say

that's with every conflict I would say

that's with every conflict I would say
like it's such a difficult situation

like it's such a difficult situation

like it's such a difficult situation
now. Maybe it it's not so difficult but

now. Maybe it it's not so difficult but

now. Maybe it it's not so difficult but
it it seems so difficult because it's

it it seems so difficult because it's

it it seems so difficult because it's
it's actually so old. Yeah. It's been

it's actually so old. Yeah. It's been

it's actually so old. Yeah. It's been
for such a long time and now we're just

for such a long time and now we're just

for such a long time and now we're just
in in the last like 5% part of it but we

in in the last like 5% part of it but we

in in the last like 5% part of it but we
people forget like the whole history and

people forget like the whole history and

people forget like the whole history and
all 95% which came um until we are here

all 95% which came um until we are here

all 95% which came um until we are here
now in this 5%.

now in this 5%.

now in this 5%.
But somehow I I I think that um before

But somehow I I I think that um before

But somehow I I I think that um before
there's really a solution,

there's really a solution,

there's really a solution,
people should understand the 95% as well

people should understand the 95% as well

people should understand the 95% as well
because without understanding the other

because without understanding the other

because without understanding the other
95% it's it's almost impossible to come

95% it's it's almost impossible to come

95% it's it's almost impossible to come
to a good solution because you you will

to a good solution because you you will

to a good solution because you you will
never understand the whole picture and

never understand the whole picture and

never understand the whole picture and
the whole story. So do you think that

the whole story. So do you think that

the whole story. So do you think that
there will be a solution or is it

there will be a solution or is it

there will be a solution or is it
possible even to to some kind of

possible even to to some kind of

possible even to to some kind of
solution? I hope so. I hope so. Yes. And

solution? I hope so. I hope so. Yes. And

solution? I hope so. I hope so. Yes. And
uh you you rightly mentioned that in

uh you you rightly mentioned that in

uh you you rightly mentioned that in
order to find a solution you should

order to find a solution you should

order to find a solution you should
understand the I would say the core

understand the I would say the core

understand the I would say the core
reasons of the conflict and to eliminate

reasons of the conflict and to eliminate

reasons of the conflict and to eliminate
them. That's what we want you know and

them. That's what we want you know and

them. That's what we want you know and
if uh these uh

if uh these uh

if uh these uh
just uh reasons of this conflict are are

just uh reasons of this conflict are are

just uh reasons of this conflict are are
eliminated

eliminated

eliminated
then uh there will be there will be a

then uh there will be there will be a

then uh there will be there will be a
peaceful solution. I hope so. I hope so.

peaceful solution. I hope so. I hope so.

peaceful solution. I hope so. I hope so.
I am. Isn't it part of the problem? Like

I am. Isn't it part of the problem? Like

I am. Isn't it part of the problem? Like
is it's it's obviously everything what

is it's it's obviously everything what

is it's it's obviously everything what
going on in in in Ukraine for the for

going on in in in Ukraine for the for

going on in in in Ukraine for the for
the past years and and the decades

the past years and and the decades

the past years and and the decades
before, but isn't it as I think you

before, but isn't it as I think you

before, but isn't it as I think you
explained earlier as well, isn't one of

explained earlier as well, isn't one of

explained earlier as well, isn't one of
the big uh reasons of this conflict as

the big uh reasons of this conflict as

the big uh reasons of this conflict as
well is the expansion of NATO and they

well is the expansion of NATO and they

well is the expansion of NATO and they
always wanted to expand. Yeah. Yeah.

always wanted to expand. Yeah. Yeah.

always wanted to expand. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, you know, one of the perhaps one

Well, you know, one of the perhaps one

Well, you know, one of the perhaps one
of the

of the

of the
uh main reasons of the conflict, yes,

uh main reasons of the conflict, yes,

uh main reasons of the conflict, yes,
that uh NATO

that uh NATO

that uh NATO
wanted to have Ukraine in its ranks, at

wanted to have Ukraine in its ranks, at

wanted to have Ukraine in its ranks, at
least previously. Now I think uh uh some

least previously. Now I think uh uh some

least previously. Now I think uh uh some
NATO members including President Trump

NATO members including President Trump

NATO members including President Trump
they said no we we we we will not uh be

they said no we we we we will not uh be

they said no we we we we will not uh be
willing to to admit Ukraine because they

willing to to admit Ukraine because they

willing to to admit Ukraine because they
understand all the problems that they

understand all the problems that they

understand all the problems that they
will face with the with the admission of

will face with the with the admission of

will face with the with the admission of
Ukraine. But uh certainly it started in

Ukraine. But uh certainly it started in

Ukraine. But uh certainly it started in
the in the early

the in the early

the in the early
years of this century when uh some

years of this century when uh some

years of this century when uh some
forces in Ukraine wanted to join NATO

forces in Ukraine wanted to join NATO

forces in Ukraine wanted to join NATO
and uh western countries really wanted

and uh western countries really wanted

and uh western countries really wanted
to have NATO in Ukraine in in their

to have NATO in Ukraine in in their

to have NATO in Ukraine in in their
ranks. And for us it's a you know it's a

ranks. And for us it's a you know it's a

ranks. And for us it's a you know it's a
it's a direct threat. It's a direct

it's a direct threat. It's a direct

it's a direct threat. It's a direct
threat.

threat.

threat.
We cannot we cannot allow it just since

We cannot we cannot allow it just since

We cannot we cannot allow it just since
since certainly if the time comes when

since certainly if the time comes when

since certainly if the time comes when
NATO somehow changes

NATO somehow changes

NATO somehow changes
and uh uh will no longer proclaim Russia

and uh uh will no longer proclaim Russia

and uh uh will no longer proclaim Russia
as a existential threat

as a existential threat

as a existential threat
and uh stop its war preparations.

and uh stop its war preparations.

and uh stop its war preparations.
But there will be in this case there

But there will be in this case there

But there will be in this case there
will be no reason for the existence of

will be no reason for the existence of

will be no reason for the existence of
NATO you know. M yeah European Union

NATO you know. M yeah European Union

NATO you know. M yeah European Union
will be quite enough for for Europe just

will be quite enough for for Europe just

will be quite enough for for Europe just
to to to

to to to

to to to
accumulate their their positions their

accumulate their their positions their

accumulate their their positions their
approaches. Uh NATO is an aggressive is

approaches. Uh NATO is an aggressive is

approaches. Uh NATO is an aggressive is
an aggressive block by

an aggressive block by

an aggressive block by
per se by definition you know it was

per se by definition you know it was

per se by definition you know it was
created as an aggressive block as a

created as an aggressive block as a

created as an aggressive block as a
military

military

military
uh block to oppose

uh block to oppose

uh block to oppose
at that time Soviet Union now there is

at that time Soviet Union now there is

at that time Soviet Union now there is
no Soviet Union so Russia wasn't there a

no Soviet Union so Russia wasn't there a

no Soviet Union so Russia wasn't there a
time that Russia was thinking about or

time that Russia was thinking about or

time that Russia was thinking about or
maybe wanting to join NATO as well well

maybe wanting to join NATO as well well

maybe wanting to join NATO as well well
there was time Yes, it was in the '9s.

there was time Yes, it was in the '9s.

there was time Yes, it was in the '9s.
No, we seriously we didn't uh want to

No, we seriously we didn't uh want to

No, we seriously we didn't uh want to
join NATO. It was

join NATO. It was

join NATO. It was
speculations in the press, but we had

speculations in the press, but we had

speculations in the press, but we had
good relations with at least with the

good relations with at least with the

good relations with at least with the
headquarters, you know, and we had uh

headquarters, you know, and we had uh

headquarters, you know, and we had uh
even a treaty that is still in force uh

even a treaty that is still in force uh

even a treaty that is still in force uh
that uh rules the the the

that uh rules the the the

that uh rules the the the
relations between Russia and NATO.

relations between Russia and NATO.

relations between Russia and NATO.
Certainly it's not applicable now. It's

Certainly it's not applicable now. It's

Certainly it's not applicable now. It's
a it's a dead treaty I would say. But uh

a it's a dead treaty I would say. But uh

a it's a dead treaty I would say. But uh
it exists.

it exists.

it exists.
It exists because for me it's like how

It exists because for me it's like how

It exists because for me it's like how
can you end in conflict when you have if

can you end in conflict when you have if

can you end in conflict when you have if
it's true what you're stating that NATO

it's true what you're stating that NATO

it's true what you're stating that NATO
is like always expanding and wanting to

is like always expanding and wanting to

is like always expanding and wanting to
expand and that's well what we can see

expand and that's well what we can see

expand and that's well what we can see
the last couple of years I would say.

the last couple of years I would say.

the last couple of years I would say.
Um, and if their goal is still like

Um, and if their goal is still like

Um, and if their goal is still like
being that aggressive block which

being that aggressive block which

being that aggressive block which
expands all the time, like the only

expands all the time, like the only

expands all the time, like the only
solution for ending a conflict like this

solution for ending a conflict like this

solution for ending a conflict like this
is to change the way NATO views the

is to change the way NATO views the

is to change the way NATO views the
world and themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

world and themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

world and themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yes. That's that's what they need, you

Yes. That's that's what they need, you

Yes. That's that's what they need, you
know. They should not they should stop

know. They should not they should stop

know. They should not they should stop
thinking in the terms of you know uh

thinking in the terms of you know uh

thinking in the terms of you know uh
of uh political military blocks attitude

of uh political military blocks attitude

of uh political military blocks attitude
you know

you know

you know
uh they should somehow try to see the

uh they should somehow try to see the

uh they should somehow try to see the
world differently because would you say

world differently because would you say

world differently because would you say
that the one of the goals of NATO is

that the one of the goals of NATO is

that the one of the goals of NATO is
like kind of world dominance? Yeah.

like kind of world dominance? Yeah.

like kind of world dominance? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I can uh I cannot find any

Yeah. Yeah, I can uh I cannot find any

Yeah. Yeah, I can uh I cannot find any
other uh you know reason

other uh you know reason

other uh you know reason
for the existence

for the existence

for the existence
and then it's if if that's a goal I I

and then it's if if that's a goal I I

and then it's if if that's a goal I I
like my brain is like okay well if

like my brain is like okay well if

like my brain is like okay well if
that's a goal they need to change their

that's a goal they need to change their

that's a goal they need to change their
core like thing you you know you know

core like thing you you know you know

core like thing you you know you know
you know within NATO

you know within NATO

you know within NATO
certainly I I I I am not going to

certainly I I I I am not going to

certainly I I I I am not going to
somehow to to

somehow to to

somehow to to
uh to advise

uh to advise

uh to advise
any NATO countries on something they

any NATO countries on something they

any NATO countries on something they
should do. No, but even uh the United

should do. No, but even uh the United

should do. No, but even uh the United
States uh especially the administration

States uh especially the administration

States uh especially the administration
of President Trump, they expressed the

of President Trump, they expressed the

of President Trump, they expressed the
certain doubts uh about the uh real now

certain doubts uh about the uh real now

certain doubts uh about the uh real now
just

just

just
whether NATO is uh is relevant

uh and because it's very very expensive

uh and because it's very very expensive
Ive and now there is just this demand to

Ive and now there is just this demand to

Ive and now there is just this demand to
raise this military expenditure by 3 and

raise this military expenditure by 3 and

raise this military expenditure by 3 and
a half% of GDP which is a enormous

a half% of GDP which is a enormous

a half% of GDP which is a enormous
burden on the economy of each member

burden on the economy of each member

burden on the economy of each member
state.

state.

state.
On the other hand, we see that Europeans

On the other hand, we see that Europeans

On the other hand, we see that Europeans
and perhaps you know better than me,

and perhaps you know better than me,

and perhaps you know better than me,
they are now discussing the uh European

they are now discussing the uh European

they are now discussing the uh European
military

military

military
uh structures, European military forces.

uh structures, European military forces.

uh structures, European military forces.
Yeah. Within the European Union.

Yeah. Within the European Union.

Yeah. Within the European Union.
So there are different different

So there are different different

So there are different different
processes that are now going on. Mhm. So

processes that are now going on. Mhm. So

processes that are now going on. Mhm. So
you think that maybe like uh for example

you think that maybe like uh for example

you think that maybe like uh for example
with the United States or maybe some

with the United States or maybe some

with the United States or maybe some
other countries um who are in NATO as

other countries um who are in NATO as

other countries um who are in NATO as
well uh at a certain point they would

well uh at a certain point they would

well uh at a certain point they would
think that okay maybe it's not necessary

think that okay maybe it's not necessary

think that okay maybe it's not necessary
to do it this way to change the ways I

to do it this way to change the ways I

to do it this way to change the ways I
will not speculate on it you know but uh

will not speculate on it you know but uh

will not speculate on it you know but uh
uh I think that uh for the NATO

uh I think that uh for the NATO

uh I think that uh for the NATO
certainly you look at uh uh world

certainly you look at uh uh world

certainly you look at uh uh world
affairs at the present world is really

affairs at the present world is really

affairs at the present world is really
need it, you know.

need it, you know.

need it, you know.
Yeah. How does it because NATO obviously

Yeah. How does it because NATO obviously

Yeah. How does it because NATO obviously
uh um now we're recording it in NATO top

uh um now we're recording it in NATO top

uh um now we're recording it in NATO top
is in less than a week I think. Um so

is in less than a week I think. Um so

is in less than a week I think. Um so
when people are viewing this podcast I

when people are viewing this podcast I

when people are viewing this podcast I
think it's right in the in the middle of

think it's right in the in the middle of

think it's right in the in the middle of
the NATO um uh

the NATO um uh

the NATO um uh
uh top now in in the Netherlands

uh top now in in the Netherlands

uh top now in in the Netherlands
because Ukraine will be there, right? Or

because Ukraine will be there, right? Or

because Ukraine will be there, right? Or
Zalinski will be there. Yes, he will. I

Zalinski will be there. Yes, he will. I

Zalinski will be there. Yes, he will. I
think he will be invited to to

think he will be invited to to

think he will be invited to to
participate not in the in the

participate not in the in the

participate not in the in the
discussions but some kind on some kind

discussions but some kind on some kind

discussions but some kind on some kind
of a protocol events

of a protocol events

of a protocol events
maybe for dinner or reception or

maybe for dinner or reception or

maybe for dinner or reception or
something something. Yeah. Yeah. How

something something. Yeah. Yeah. How

something something. Yeah. Yeah. How
does it feel for you and for Russia that

does it feel for you and for Russia that

does it feel for you and for Russia that
like Silinski get inv gets invited for

like Silinski get inv gets invited for

like Silinski get inv gets invited for
that and u well yeah and Russia not no

that and u well yeah and Russia not no

that and u well yeah and Russia not no
we we are not uh interested in being

we we are not uh interested in being

we we are not uh interested in being
invited to NATO summits but with the

invited to NATO summits but with the

invited to NATO summits but with the
fact that Zalinski is invited it's it's

fact that Zalinski is invited it's it's

fact that Zalinski is invited it's it's
once again demonstrates the aggressive

once again demonstrates the aggressive

once again demonstrates the aggressive
nature of of NATO towards Russia you

nature of of NATO towards Russia you

nature of of NATO towards Russia you
know

know

know
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.
Does it worry you

Does it worry you

Does it worry you
the not not Tilinsky at NATO but like

the not not Tilinsky at NATO but like

the not not Tilinsky at NATO but like
the whole situation and and the

the whole situation and and the

the whole situation and and the
situation how the world is going at the

situation how the world is going at the

situation how the world is going at the
moment like all that conflict and

moment like all that conflict and

moment like all that conflict and
because Russia and Ukraine is one

because Russia and Ukraine is one

because Russia and Ukraine is one
conflict but you have like uh in the

conflict but you have like uh in the

conflict but you have like uh in the
Middle East you have like another big

Middle East you have like another big

Middle East you have like another big
conflict as well. Yes. Yes. The

conflict as well. Yes. Yes. The

conflict as well. Yes. Yes. The
situation now is uh very I would say

situation now is uh very I would say

situation now is uh very I would say
complicated and it uh gives uh a lot of

complicated and it uh gives uh a lot of

complicated and it uh gives uh a lot of
a lot of reasons of uh great concern.

a lot of reasons of uh great concern.

a lot of reasons of uh great concern.
For instance, yes, the latest

For instance, yes, the latest

For instance, yes, the latest
developments in the Middle East, the

developments in the Middle East, the

developments in the Middle East, the
strikes of Israel

strikes of Israel

strikes of Israel
against Iran that we uh condemned, we

against Iran that we uh condemned, we

against Iran that we uh condemned, we
condemned it categorically because we

condemned it categorically because we

condemned it categorically because we
don't think it's appropriate

don't think it's appropriate

don't think it's appropriate
to uh attack peaceful

to uh attack peaceful

to uh attack peaceful
nuclear installation of a sovereign

nuclear installation of a sovereign

nuclear installation of a sovereign
state under the pretext of the they were

state under the pretext of the they were

state under the pretext of the they were
They were just planning to create

They were just planning to create

They were just planning to create
nuclear weapons. But no one no one ever

nuclear weapons. But no one no one ever

nuclear weapons. But no one no one ever
proved it, you know. And uh there is

proved it, you know. And uh there is

proved it, you know. And uh there is
there is a process, a political process

there is a process, a political process

there is a process, a political process
that was going on to

that was going on to

that was going on to
somehow to to to control uh this uh uh

somehow to to to control uh this uh uh

somehow to to to control uh this uh uh
Iranian nuclear program. Now with this

Iranian nuclear program. Now with this

Iranian nuclear program. Now with this
uh strikes I believe this process is is

uh strikes I believe this process is is

uh strikes I believe this process is is
is over is over because we heard this

is over is over because we heard this

is over is over because we heard this
before. Yeah. Like for me I get like

before. Yeah. Like for me I get like

before. Yeah. Like for me I get like
flashbacks to several years back when a

flashbacks to several years back when a

flashbacks to several years back when a
certain president of the United States

certain president of the United States

certain president of the United States
of America Bush was talking about

of America Bush was talking about

of America Bush was talking about
weapons of mass destructions uh

weapons of mass destructions uh

weapons of mass destructions uh
destruction and and um uh and on that

destruction and and um uh and on that

destruction and and um uh and on that
base went into Iraq invaded Iraq. Yes.

base went into Iraq invaded Iraq. Yes.

base went into Iraq invaded Iraq. Yes.
They were never found. But Iraq was

They were never found. But Iraq was

They were never found. But Iraq was
destroyed, you know, as a as a as a

destroyed, you know, as a as a as a

destroyed, you know, as a as a as a
sovereign state. And uh what was Russian

sovereign state. And uh what was Russian

sovereign state. And uh what was Russian
Russia's stance on on Iraq back in the

Russia's stance on on Iraq back in the

Russia's stance on on Iraq back in the
day? Yes. We we accused we categorically

day? Yes. We we accused we categorically

day? Yes. We we accused we categorically
condemned United States. We didn't

condemned United States. We didn't

condemned United States. We didn't
support it at all, you know. We didn't

support it at all, you know. We didn't

support it at all, you know. We didn't
support it. And now and we do not

support it. And now and we do not

support it. And now and we do not
support certainly the attacks of Israel.

support certainly the attacks of Israel.

support certainly the attacks of Israel.
uh and but at the same time we we

uh and but at the same time we we

uh and but at the same time we we
recognize that the retaliation of uh of

recognize that the retaliation of uh of

recognize that the retaliation of uh of
Iran also causes a lot of deaths of

Iran also causes a lot of deaths of

Iran also causes a lot of deaths of
civilians.

civilians.

civilians.
So we call on both parties to exercise

So we call on both parties to exercise

So we call on both parties to exercise
restraint

restraint

restraint
and uh to stop to stop uh this exchange

and uh to stop to stop uh this exchange

and uh to stop to stop uh this exchange
of strikes and to to to try to find

of strikes and to to to try to find

of strikes and to to to try to find
political solution. And by the way, by

political solution. And by the way, by

political solution. And by the way, by
the way, uh our president uh offered

the way, uh our president uh offered

the way, uh our president uh offered
uh our uh just uh

uh our uh just uh

uh our uh just uh
our assistance as an intermediary

our assistance as an intermediary

our assistance as an intermediary
between Iran and Israel since we have

between Iran and Israel since we have

between Iran and Israel since we have
good relations certainly with Iran, but

good relations certainly with Iran, but

good relations certainly with Iran, but
we have good relations with Israel

we have good relations with Israel

we have good relations with Israel
and it's not an alien country to us, I

and it's not an alien country to us, I

and it's not an alien country to us, I
would say, because quite a lot of former

would say, because quite a lot of former

would say, because quite a lot of former
Russian uh uh citizens are now living in

Russian uh uh citizens are now living in

Russian uh uh citizens are now living in
Israel.

Israel.

Israel.
So we are also

So we are also

So we are also
concerned about their safety.

concerned about their safety.

concerned about their safety.
Yeah. So uh and uh Russia is one of the

Yeah. So uh and uh Russia is one of the

Yeah. So uh and uh Russia is one of the
few countries that have

few countries that have

few countries that have
good relations both with Iran and with

good relations both with Iran and with

good relations both with Iran and with
Israel. So if there is there is a a

Israel. So if there is there is a a

Israel. So if there is there is a a
willingness of both sides, we can

willingness of both sides, we can

willingness of both sides, we can
assist. We can assist. And what's the

assist. We can assist. And what's the

assist. We can assist. And what's the
Russian stance actually on because you

Russian stance actually on because you

Russian stance actually on because you
say you have also good relations with

say you have also good relations with

say you have also good relations with
Israel but the last couple of years what

Israel but the last couple of years what

Israel but the last couple of years what
they've done in Palestine for example

they've done in Palestine for example

they've done in Palestine for example
like I would say that Russia would uh

like I would say that Russia would uh

like I would say that Russia would uh
say something about that as well. Yeah

say something about that as well. Yeah

say something about that as well. Yeah
certainly we we we

certainly we we we

certainly we we we
also we do not we we accuse we condemn

also we do not we we accuse we condemn

also we do not we we accuse we condemn
uh Israel of all the atrocities uh

uh Israel of all the atrocities uh

uh Israel of all the atrocities uh
committed in Gaza. Yeah. Yeah, but we

committed in Gaza. Yeah. Yeah, but we

committed in Gaza. Yeah. Yeah, but we
also recognize that uh uh there were

also recognize that uh uh there were

also recognize that uh uh there were
atrocities committed also by the

atrocities committed also by the

atrocities committed also by the
opposite side, you know. So

opposite side, you know. So

opposite side, you know. So
the reaction of Israel was uh probably

the reaction of Israel was uh probably

the reaction of Israel was uh probably
not proportional.

not proportional.

not proportional.
It was excessive.

It was excessive.

It was excessive.
And uh but

And uh but

And uh but
if we speak about uh

if we speak about uh

if we speak about uh
situation in the Middle East in Israel,

situation in the Middle East in Israel,

situation in the Middle East in Israel,
relations with uh Israel and Palestine,

relations with uh Israel and Palestine,

relations with uh Israel and Palestine,
I think there is there is a solution

I think there is there is a solution

I think there is there is a solution
already that was elaborated long ago.

already that was elaborated long ago.

already that was elaborated long ago.
Yes. Uh by the security council of the

Yes. Uh by the security council of the

Yes. Uh by the security council of the
United Nations. That's the recognition

United Nations. That's the recognition

United Nations. That's the recognition
of a Palestine independent Palestine

of a Palestine independent Palestine

of a Palestine independent Palestine
state by Israel and the peaceful

state by Israel and the peaceful

state by Israel and the peaceful
coexistence of uh these two states.

coexistence of uh these two states.

coexistence of uh these two states.
Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah,
that's the goes on like this. There's no

that's the goes on like this. There's no

that's the goes on like this. There's no
state to talk about anymore,

state to talk about anymore,

state to talk about anymore,
right? Palestine Palestine is still is

right? Palestine Palestine is still is

right? Palestine Palestine is still is
still there. Palestine is still there.

still there. Palestine is still there.

still there. Palestine is still there.
sector uh Gaza is is is is destroyed

sector uh Gaza is is is is destroyed

sector uh Gaza is is is is destroyed
probably. Yeah. But state of Palestine

probably. Yeah. But state of Palestine

probably. Yeah. But state of Palestine
is uh well is is quite quite uh

is uh well is is quite quite uh

is uh well is is quite quite uh
uh respectful member of the world

uh respectful member of the world

uh respectful member of the world
community. Mhm. And we we we we have

community. Mhm. And we we we we have

community. Mhm. And we we we we have
excellent relations with the state of

excellent relations with the state of

excellent relations with the state of
Palestine. We always support their

Palestine. We always support their

Palestine. We always support their
cause.

cause.

cause.
Uh so what do you or what does Russia

Uh so what do you or what does Russia

Uh so what do you or what does Russia
believe that is happening like the past

believe that is happening like the past

believe that is happening like the past
couple of years in in the Middle East

couple of years in in the Middle East

couple of years in in the Middle East
like like for example with Iraq uh and

like like for example with Iraq uh and

like like for example with Iraq uh and
now with Iran as well um like do they is

now with Iran as well um like do they is

now with Iran as well um like do they is
there something that combines those

there something that combines those

there something that combines those
situations?

situations?

situations?
Well,

Well,

Well,
I don't think that uh uh you know

I don't think that uh uh you know

I don't think that uh uh you know
there is any any link between uh now the

there is any any link between uh now the

there is any any link between uh now the
situation in Iraq and Iran. Iran is a

situation in Iraq and Iran. Iran is a

situation in Iraq and Iran. Iran is a
different story. Yeah. The attacks of

different story. Yeah. The attacks of

different story. Yeah. The attacks of
Israel against uh uh Iran is absolutely

Israel against uh uh Iran is absolutely

Israel against uh uh Iran is absolutely
unacceptable.

unacceptable.

unacceptable.
Yeah. And we saw also this the

Yeah. And we saw also this the

Yeah. And we saw also this the
developments in Syria when the new new

developments in Syria when the new new

developments in Syria when the new new
government came to power. And uh we

government came to power. And uh we

government came to power. And uh we
certainly we recognize this and we are

certainly we recognize this and we are

certainly we recognize this and we are
ready to have a dialogue with the new

ready to have a dialogue with the new

ready to have a dialogue with the new
authorities of Syria.

authorities of Syria.

authorities of Syria.
Yeah. But in in the long run what the

Yeah. But in in the long run what the

Yeah. But in in the long run what the
situation in the Middle East? Yes. It's

situation in the Middle East? Yes. It's

situation in the Middle East? Yes. It's
very very dangerous. It uh brings a lot

very very dangerous. It uh brings a lot

very very dangerous. It uh brings a lot
of potential

of potential

of potential
potential sources, you know, of

potential sources, you know, of

potential sources, you know, of
confrontation and there should be a

confrontation and there should be a

confrontation and there should be a
overwhelming solution. But uh the

overwhelming solution. But uh the

overwhelming solution. But uh the
primary the primary solution the the

primary the primary solution the the

primary the primary solution the the
core solution I would say to the Middle

core solution I would say to the Middle

core solution I would say to the Middle
East problem is the peace between

East problem is the peace between

East problem is the peace between
uh Israel and Palestine.

uh Israel and Palestine.

uh Israel and Palestine.
You think if that's if that solution is

You think if that's if that solution is

You think if that's if that solution is
peaceful, if there's peace, then there

peaceful, if there's peace, then there

peaceful, if there's peace, then there
would be potentially peace restored in

would be potentially peace restored in

would be potentially peace restored in
the whole like middle. Yes. Yes, it

the whole like middle. Yes. Yes, it

the whole like middle. Yes. Yes, it
will. It will it will certainly it will

will. It will it will certainly it will

will. It will it will certainly it will
help a lot. Do you think we will see

help a lot. Do you think we will see

help a lot. Do you think we will see
that anytime soon?

that anytime soon?

that anytime soon?
Let's be optimistic.

Let's be optimistic.

Let's be optimistic.
I think it's always good to be

I think it's always good to be

I think it's always good to be
optimistic. Yeah. Yeah. Certainly. these

optimistic. Yeah. Yeah. Certainly. these

optimistic. Yeah. Yeah. Certainly. these
these uh the differences are are are

these uh the differences are are are

these uh the differences are are are
great but uh well there should there

great but uh well there should there

great but uh well there should there
should be efforts there must be efforts

should be efforts there must be efforts

should be efforts there must be efforts
to bring these two

to bring these two

to bring these two
parties to a kind of a common solution.

parties to a kind of a common solution.

parties to a kind of a common solution.
So um different subject but what I

So um different subject but what I

So um different subject but what I
really was curious about is like at this

really was curious about is like at this

really was curious about is like at this
situation at this time how do the

situation at this time how do the

situation at this time how do the
Russians view the Europeans and for

Russians view the Europeans and for

Russians view the Europeans and for
example the Dutch or like like other

example the Dutch or like like other

example the Dutch or like like other
countries as well like after all this is

countries as well like after all this is

countries as well like after all this is
happening I can imagine that they that

happening I can imagine that they that

happening I can imagine that they that
their point of view may be also changed.

their point of view may be also changed.

their point of view may be also changed.
Yes. You know, historically,

Yes. You know, historically,

Yes. You know, historically,
historically, Russians were very

historically, Russians were very

historically, Russians were very
friendly to Europeans, to

friendly to Europeans, to

friendly to Europeans, to
uh

uh

uh
including

including

including
Dutch people. Yes. You know, we uh for

Dutch people. Yes. You know, we uh for

Dutch people. Yes. You know, we uh for
instance, for instance, uh uh European

instance, for instance, uh uh European

instance, for instance, uh uh European
literature is very popular has always

literature is very popular has always

literature is very popular has always
been very popular in Russia.

been very popular in Russia.

been very popular in Russia.
All the

All the

All the
books, novels even that are now new

books, novels even that are now new

books, novels even that are now new
ones, they are immediately translated

ones, they are immediately translated

ones, they are immediately translated
into Russian. They are read

into Russian. They are read

into Russian. They are read
and there is an interest in the society.

and there is an interest in the society.

and there is an interest in the society.
Yeah. Certainly. And uh uh

Yeah. Certainly. And uh uh

Yeah. Certainly. And uh uh
European cinema is also

European cinema is also

European cinema is also
popular. So there is absolutely there

popular. So there is absolutely there

popular. So there is absolutely there
has never never been any any hostility

has never never been any any hostility

has never never been any any hostility
within the Russian society towards the

within the Russian society towards the

within the Russian society towards the
west. But now I would say with the

west. But now I would say with the

west. But now I would say with the
recent developments yes the situation is

recent developments yes the situation is

recent developments yes the situation is
a bit more different you know uh there

a bit more different you know uh there

a bit more different you know uh there
is no hostility. No no but there is

is no hostility. No no but there is

is no hostility. No no but there is
mistrust I would say. Yeah.

mistrust I would say. Yeah.

mistrust I would say. Yeah.
So

uh people people uh believe that uh if

uh people people uh believe that uh if
we restore our our

we restore our our

we restore our our
uh relations with the west we must be

uh relations with the west we must be

uh relations with the west we must be
cautious.

cautious.

cautious.
We must not allow

We must not allow

We must not allow
to be deceived once again,

to be deceived once again,

to be deceived once again,
you know, and certainly

you know, and certainly

you know, and certainly
uh we should uh calculate very carefully

uh we should uh calculate very carefully

uh we should uh calculate very carefully
our interest

our interest

our interest
because uh there were a couple of times

because uh there were a couple of times

because uh there were a couple of times
when uh we uh just

when uh we uh just

when uh we uh just
helped the west in the solution of uh

helped the west in the solution of uh

helped the west in the solution of uh
their

their

their
problems without getting anything from

problems without getting anything from

problems without getting anything from
from them, you know,

from them, you know,

from them, you know,
without taking into account our

without taking into account our

without taking into account our
interests.

interests.

interests.
What would what would like how would the

What would what would like how would the

What would what would like how would the
ideal world look for the Russians at

ideal world look for the Russians at

ideal world look for the Russians at
this moment? Like what would be like the

this moment? Like what would be like the

this moment? Like what would be like the
ideal situation?

ideal situation I will be a peaceful

ideal situation I will be a peaceful
secure

secure

secure
European continent

European continent

European continent
where uh countries countries exist

where uh countries countries exist

where uh countries countries exist
you know

you know

you know
taking into consideration the uh the

taking into consideration the uh the

taking into consideration the uh the
needs of security of each other there

needs of security of each other there

needs of security of each other there
security is undevisable I would say you

security is undevisable I would say you

security is undevisable I would say you
know you cannot uh you cannot build your

know you cannot uh you cannot build your

know you cannot uh you cannot build your
own security at the expense of security

own security at the expense of security

own security at the expense of security
of others

otherwise it will not be solid. It will

otherwise it will not be solid. It will
not be it will not last long you know

not be it will not last long you know

not be it will not last long you know
because those who believe themselves as

because those who believe themselves as

because those who believe themselves as
being you know just uh

being you know just uh

being you know just uh
undermined or

undermined or

undermined or
whose interests are are undermined. They

whose interests are are undermined. They

whose interests are are undermined. They
they feel that they should uh

they feel that they should uh

they feel that they should uh
take revenge now just restore their

take revenge now just restore their

take revenge now just restore their
security. So

security. So

security. So
if uh this

if uh this

if uh this
uh situation takes into account the

uh situation takes into account the

uh situation takes into account the
interests of anyone that will be a solid

interests of anyone that will be a solid

interests of anyone that will be a solid
solid piece uh perhaps I I am now sound

solid piece uh perhaps I I am now sound

solid piece uh perhaps I I am now sound
idealistic

idealistic

idealistic
but in the long run that's the the only

but in the long run that's the the only

but in the long run that's the the only
way the only way but it's good to be

way the only way but it's good to be

way the only way but it's good to be
idealistic. Yeah, we should be because

idealistic. Yeah, we should be because

idealistic. Yeah, we should be because
otherwise Yeah, I really like for me

otherwise Yeah, I really like for me

otherwise Yeah, I really like for me
that's always what I think like when I

that's always what I think like when I

that's always what I think like when I
look at all those conflicts and stuff

look at all those conflicts and stuff

look at all those conflicts and stuff
like it's always

like it's always

like it's always
those those people with interests who

those those people with interests who

those those people with interests who
are creating it and and who are

are creating it and and who are

are creating it and and who are
benefiting of it as well. And I think if

benefiting of it as well. And I think if

benefiting of it as well. And I think if
just the people would like just look

just the people would like just look

just the people would like just look
into each other's eyes and just have

into each other's eyes and just have

into each other's eyes and just have
like a normal conversation about it,

like a normal conversation about it,

like a normal conversation about it,
Russians, Dutch, whatever, like everyone

Russians, Dutch, whatever, like everyone

Russians, Dutch, whatever, like everyone
like it's not the people, right? I think

like it's not the people, right? I think

like it's not the people, right? I think
if we would all like realize that it's

if we would all like realize that it's

if we would all like realize that it's
not the people, the people just want

not the people, the people just want

not the people, the people just want
peace and that's what we should strive

peace and that's what we should strive

peace and that's what we should strive
for, then hopefully stuff can change.

for, then hopefully stuff can change.

for, then hopefully stuff can change.
Yeah, people. Yes. If people if people

Yeah, people. Yes. If people if people

Yeah, people. Yes. If people if people
speak to each other, maybe they will

speak to each other, maybe they will

speak to each other, maybe they will
find the solution. But regrettably

find the solution. But regrettably

find the solution. But regrettably
that's not uh that's not possible taking

that's not uh that's not possible taking

that's not uh that's not possible taking
into account the existing realities. and

into account the existing realities. and

into account the existing realities. and
with the with the Europeans. Yes. Uh I

with the with the Europeans. Yes. Uh I

with the with the Europeans. Yes. Uh I
would say that

would say that

would say that
uh regrettably uh we don't have any

uh regrettably uh we don't have any

uh regrettably uh we don't have any
dialogue, you know. That's it. Yeah. and

dialogue, you know. That's it. Yeah. and

dialogue, you know. That's it. Yeah. and
in

in

in
and that's the situation perhaps is even

and that's the situation perhaps is even

and that's the situation perhaps is even
more dangerous now than it used to be in

more dangerous now than it used to be in

more dangerous now than it used to be in
the uh period of the cold war because at

the uh period of the cold war because at

the uh period of the cold war because at
that time there were some rules of

that time there were some rules of

that time there were some rules of
behavior, rules of the game and there

behavior, rules of the game and there

behavior, rules of the game and there
were red lines that were never crossed

were red lines that were never crossed

were red lines that were never crossed
and uh there was a dialogue you know

and uh there was a dialogue you know

and uh there was a dialogue you know
even even in some most I would say most

even even in some most I would say most

even even in some most I would say most
dangerous periods. Uh now

dangerous periods. Uh now

dangerous periods. Uh now
uh happily with the United States, we

uh happily with the United States, we

uh happily with the United States, we
started to have a dialogue with a new

started to have a dialogue with a new

started to have a dialogue with a new
administration

administration

administration
with uh with uh there were

with uh with uh there were

with uh with uh there were
several conversations of our two

several conversations of our two

several conversations of our two
presidents, President Putin and

presidents, President Putin and

presidents, President Putin and
President Trump and we have uh exchange

President Trump and we have uh exchange

President Trump and we have uh exchange
of dialogue on the level of foreign

of dialogue on the level of foreign

of dialogue on the level of foreign
ministries but with the Europeans that

ministries but with the Europeans that

ministries but with the Europeans that
is not the case. That is not the case.

is not the case. That is not the case.

is not the case. That is not the case.
We do not speak. We do not hear each

We do not speak. We do not hear each

We do not speak. We do not hear each
other. The practice of dialogue is

other. The practice of dialogue is

other. The practice of dialogue is
absolutely lost. And without it, I

absolutely lost. And without it, I

absolutely lost. And without it, I
believe uh it's very difficult to find

believe uh it's very difficult to find

believe uh it's very difficult to find
kind any solution when you don't speak

kind any solution when you don't speak

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Our media is much more objective when

Our media is much more objective when
they cover the Western situation, the

they cover the Western situation, the

they cover the Western situation, the
situation in the West. That's what every

situation in the West. That's what every

situation in the West. That's what every
country says. Yeah.

country says. Yeah.

country says. Yeah.
um the Nordstream because it's been big

um the Nordstream because it's been big

um the Nordstream because it's been big
in the news as well a couple of times

in the news as well a couple of times

in the news as well a couple of times
here here in the Netherlands and I think

here here in the Netherlands and I think

here here in the Netherlands and I think
in the whole of Europe sometimes

in the whole of Europe sometimes

in the whole of Europe sometimes
certainly I am very very much upset to

certainly I am very very much upset to

certainly I am very very much upset to
read in the local media what they write

read in the local media what they write

read in the local media what they write
about Russia about our foreign policy

about Russia about our foreign policy

about Russia about our foreign policy
about our domestic situation because you

about our domestic situation because you

about our domestic situation because you
know it's it's it's Not correct to put

know it's it's it's Not correct to put

know it's it's it's Not correct to put
it mildly.

it mildly.

it mildly.
When there are some positive facts, they

When there are some positive facts, they

When there are some positive facts, they
are just

are just

are just
either they are silenced

either they are silenced

either they are silenced
or they are

or they are

or they are
presented in a distorted way.