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Through the '80s and into the '90s,
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on the back of Hulk Hogan's
larger-than-life physique,
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the World Wrestling Federation
was a merchandising machine,
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generating hundreds of millions.
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Hulkamania will live forever!
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But news broke that the mastermind
behind WWF's unrivaled prosperity
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was accused of pushing steroids
on his wrestlers.
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Vince McMahon and the WWF
have been indicted
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on charges of providing steroids
to WWF entertainers.
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Everybody was on steroids.
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Whatever it took to give
what people wanted.
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You'll be in a better position,
make more money.
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Vince McMahon was aware.
Everybody was.
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Boys need their candy.
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Did he ever say, "Well, I
gotta put an end to this?" No!
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The law changed. Prior to that time,
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using or possessing anabolic steroids
was as legal as taking an aspirin.
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Authorities sought a high-profile
case to make clear
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they would prosecute steroid
users and pushers.
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They were a flashing red light
to prosecutors.
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Could've taken the company down.
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McMahon faces 8 years in prison
and half a million dollars in fines.
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With two trials looming, everyone
involved found themselves tangled
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in a world
of surveillance and paranoia.
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When you get out of your car,
someone could come, who knows.
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WWF head Vince McMahon faced
a parade of superstar witnesses
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who held his fate in their hands.
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An overt agreement:
"I can get you steroids,"
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that's Vince McMahon
being a drug dealer.
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I wanted to expose it
for all it was worth.
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Government came to take down
the pro wrestling business.
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Little did they know,
they had to deal with Jerry McDevitt
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and Vince McMahon,
who promptly kicked their ass.
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You have no idea what I'm gonna do.
I am gonna crush you, like a bug.
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This is my office here.
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The headline the day
he was indicted up in New York.
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You can see Vince there, me doing
the cross-examination of the jury.
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I'm Jerry McDevitt, a lawyer.
I've represented the WWE
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for approximately 30 years.
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Jerry McDevitt, attorney for the WWE.
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A very, very famous face lately,
I must say.
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Ranging from Chris Benoit,
the whole situation.
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We're not gonna speculate on it here,
on television,
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the soundbite atmosphere
of television.
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To the case of Owen's death.
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Who died last night in a tragic
accident...
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Thirty years of what you go through
and all of those episodes, together,
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to get to the other side
and keep going,
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that forms those kinds of bonds.
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That's Vince at my wedding.
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Jerry is one of the most intelligent
men I've ever met.
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His intellect is scary.
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If I found myself into a heinous
situation, by hook or crook,
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I needed the best lawyer
that money can buy,
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I would reach out to Jerry McDevitt
to save my ass.
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-He's an intimidating figure.
-He's tall, he's...
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brash and fearless,
in the way that I saw him in trial.
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A valuable figure
to Vince McMahon over the years.
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Wade Keller, the editor
of the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter
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and I was on site for the entire
Vince McMahon steroid trial.
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Vincent K. McMahon is the most
well-known promoter for 35 years.
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It is my distinct privilege
to present to you...
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Hulk Hogan!
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As far as Vince McMahon's success,
take Hulk Hogan out,
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Vince McMahon would not be
near as successful.
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My name's Dave Meltzer, the editor
of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.
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I've been writing about wrestling
for a lot of years. 49, 50 years!
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Hogan was one of the biggest stars
in wrestling,
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and wrestling exploded
on his back in the 80s.
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The all-American hero.
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Say your prayers, eat vitamins.
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At that time, the fans were
responding to cool-looking guys
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with these great physiques.
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They were just getting
bigger and bigger,
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and it was becoming more a vehicle
to sell merchandise than anything.
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My name is John Arezzi,
a wrestling historian.
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Going back 30 years, to my radio
show called Pro Wrestling Spotlight.
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Pro wrestling became more
cartoonish with the big monsters
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that were being given names like
The Ultimate Warrior, The Warlord.
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Look at the size of these guys!
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We could've had a football team,
and nothing would even touch us.
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My name's Terry Szopinski.
I wrestled in the WWF as the Warlord.
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I was also one half of the tag team
Powers of Pain.
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God, they're huge.
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There are estimates that 90 percent
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of thew wrestlers in that time period
were all on steroids.
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In the late 1980s,
steroid use was legal
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if the drugs were prescribed
by a personal physician
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for a treatment
of an injury or disease.
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And WWF wrestlers
had unlimited access,
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thanks to a willing accomplice.
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-Know who Dr. George Zahorian is?
-Oh, yeah.
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Dr. George Zahorian
was the ringside physician
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for the Pennsylvania State
Athletic Commission.
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And he was assigned to ringside
at all of the wrestling matches
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in Allentown, Pennsylvania
for their TV tapings.
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The doctor is at his side.
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George Zahorian was a fan
of the wrestlers.
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And they put him on the show...
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You have some darn good wrestlers
really getting abused.
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As the state's representative,
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Dr. Zahorian is responsible
for examining each wrestler
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to ensure
they are healthy enough to perform.
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After he was done,
he always had this big doctor bag.
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He would open it up afterwards,
and it'd be filled with steroids.
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And he would say,
"Is there anything you would like?"
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And "If it isn't there, I can get it
for you, and I can send it to you."
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He set up shop every taping
and the guys lined up
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to purchase their... their candy.
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Valium, Tylenol 3...
Percocet, Percodan, Somas...
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pain pills, steroids.
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My name is Brian Blair,
known as B. Brian Blair,
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half of the Killer Bees.
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Said, "Hulkster, we need a pump."
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He said, "You could use
more muscle in those wings there."
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People do not understand
the pressure that you're under
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to look the best you can,
to keep your spot.
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It was high pressure.
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For over a decade, steroids were
an open secret in wrestling.
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In the late 80s, despite athletes
being exposed as cheaters...
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Stripped of his medal for testing
positive, using anabolic steroids.
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...steroid abuse was becoming
a political lightning rod.
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There was a lot of hysteria
about steroids back in that era.
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They always sort of portrayed it,
the athletes who were using,
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that were somehow misusing a drug
made for some other purpose.
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Steroids is, as far as I can tell,
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the only drug ever made
in this country's history
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for which the drug manufacturers
were not required
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to give dosage, duration,
and adverse effects
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for the purpose it was made,
which was athletic enhancement.
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There's a lot of good,
truthful reasons to tell people
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what damages can be done
by taking these drugs
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you don't need to lie about.
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Tell the truth.
The government never did.
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The federal congress was reacting
to some of this hysteria
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by the Anabolic Control Act of 1990,
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which made it a controlled substance.
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Trafficking in steroids will be
treated in much the same manner
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as trafficking in cocaine
or methamphetamines.
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With a new law in place to curtail
steroid dealing,
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particularly to teen athletes,
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the FBI targets
weightlifting coach Bill Dunn,
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who quickly agrees to hand over his
supplier, Dr. Zahorian.
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Dunn had been, I gather, caught
with a large amount of steroids.
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Flipped,
became a government witness.
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Agreed to wear a wire.
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I think they made
some controlled purchases with him,
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where they sent him in,
miked up, and recorded it.
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I wanna get a large order...
But I need some--
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Can you tell me what you need?
Like I told you, cash and carry.
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If I have it,
you got it and you pay.
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He didn't sound like a doctor.
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He was talking about Dunn
was gonna give steroids to kids.
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If you're selling to somebody that
they're gonna deliver them to kids,
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you're not functioning as a doctor.
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As authorities build their case
against Dr. Zahorian,
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a federal official
mentions the investigation
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to a colleague
who has ties to the WWF.
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The news reaches the desk of Vince
McMahon's wife, Linda,
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who commands the company
distance itself from Dr. Zahorian.
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The memos were,
"We don't want this guy at shows."
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And "Be really cautious 'cause
the landscape has changed."
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They used that tape of Zahorian
to then get a search warrant.
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On the wall of his office,
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they saw that famous picture
of him standing there
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with Hulk on one side
and Vince on the other side
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and thought,
"Oh, what do we have here?"
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As authorities probe Dr. Zahorian's
drug-dealing enterprise,
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a trail of evidence leads them
straight to the doorsteps
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of WWF wrestlers.
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I got a knock on my front door.
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He introduced himself,
says he's an FBI agent,
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and started explaining to me that
I had gotten 3 FedEx packages
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from Dr. Zahorian.
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And they knew everything
that was in the package.
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They would go right
into the mail center.
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They'd ask for any packages sent
out of Dr. Zahorian's office.
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Then they would open, would film,
so they had all the evidence.
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It was put back in
as if it were not touched.
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You would open it and never
in your wildest dreams think
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the FBI was looking at it
at the FedEx,
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had pictures of everything
that came to your doorstep.
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He said, "You can come testify
and in exchange,
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we won't prosecute you."
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I said, "Fair enough." I sat down
on my table, and I said, "Wow.
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I can't believe
this is actually happening."
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The wrestlers said,
when they couldn't see Dr. Zahorian,
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he sent them steroids
by Federal Express.
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Records show
several Federal Express shipments
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from Dr. Zahorian to Terry Bollea,
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better known to his fans
as Hulk Hogan.
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Five wrestlers are set to testify
against Dr. Zahorian,
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including Hulk Hogan,
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whose appearance
could spell disaster for him,
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Vince McMahon,
and the entire wrestling world.
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Seeking to avoid the publicity
linking him to steroid use,
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lawyer Jerry McDevitt is enlisted
to Hogan excused from testifying.
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Hulk was riding high.
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He had been on the cover
of Sports Illustrated.
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He was as big in that time
as Michael Jordan was in basketball.
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They wanted to have a big,
high-profile trial at that time
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to get it out there that the law is
different with respect to steroids.
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And I think that had a lot to do with
why they brought WWE people in.
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Was obvious
they were gonna get a conviction
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on the ten counts
that involved Bill Dunn.
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And none of the wrestlers
had done anything wrong.
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The fact Piper was there
and not Hogan at the Zahorian trial
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is one of these mysteries.
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It's like, why were some guys
forced to go?
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Why were some guys given a pass?
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He was unique from the other people
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because Terry had what I regarded
to be a doctor-patient relationship
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with Dr. Zahorian.
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He had consulted with Dr. Zahorian
about various medical issues
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involving him and his wife.
And having children.
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So I decided that I would present
an argument to the judge
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that the government
had no reason to do this
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because it would compromise
medical privacy rights
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to get on a witness stand,
explain why he did what he did.
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It would victimize somebody
who had not committed any crime.
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He was dismissed from testifying
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because it might be injurious
to his career.
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Well, it should be injurious
if he was on drugs,
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if his whole persona was, "Say your
prayers and take vitamins, kids."
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My name is Phil Mushnick, sports
columnist with The New York Post.
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And in the 1980s, I began to write
about the drug scandals
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within the World
Wrestling Federation.
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Dismissed from testifying 'cause
it might hurt you to tell the truth?
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A person in media called me,
"Ronald Reagan had to testify
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in Oliver North's case
despite not wanting to.
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How did Hulk Hogan
get out of testifying?"
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And I remember my answer was:
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"Well, maybe Reagan
had the wrong lawyer."
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After just 3 hours of deliberation,
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the jury finds Dr. Zahorian guilty
of selling steroids to wrestlers
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who were not his patients.
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But despite the disgraced doctor
taking the fall,
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Vince McMahon and the WWF
do not emerge unscathed.
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On the last day, the lawyer
for Zahorian goes,
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"McMahon and Hogan
bought steroids from Zahorian."
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Now, that's when
they both had to say something.
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I promise that
the World Wrestling Federation
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will be the standard bearer
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for drug-free sports
and entertainment.
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Today, Vince McMahon
held a press conference
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announcing that the federation
will be enacting drug testing
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that will include testing
for steroids.
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At the press conference
at the Plaza Hotel
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when Vince announced his policy,
by chance or by design,
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the same night, Hulk Hogan
is appearing on Arsenio Hall.
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Did you ever discuss with Terry
his appearance on Arsenio?
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I can't tell you
what the discussion was
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because that's privileged.
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Your name came up recently when
a doctor got himself into trouble.
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If he goes out on TV
and tells the truth,
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his image is gonna be shot.
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What I'd like to do is,
with all due respect,
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inform you and everybody else
that's misinformed...
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by the newspapers.
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He weaseled his way to something
that sounded less offensive,
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but to his mind felt like
an admission of something.
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On three occasions,
I had the same muscle injuries.
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That is the extent
of Hulk Hogan's steroid use.
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And it's like, "I took steroids
3 times back in 1983.
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I tore my bicep, used it for rehab."
And it was just like, oh, my God.
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A complete, utter lie.
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I'm not a steroid abuser,
and I do not use steroids.
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Vince did not want Hogan
to say what he said.
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Vince told me that.
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Said, "I told Hogan
to tell the truth. He didn't."
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If you say prayers, eat vitamins,
believe in yourself,
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like I have done, you can have
everything you want.
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I'm not ashamed of anything.
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What he said did not pass
the sniff test.
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Everybody thought,
that guy's a liar, covering up.
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We'll take a commercial,
come right back.
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After Hogan's appearance on
Arsenio Hall, McMahon was called
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to answer for a range
of scandalous allegations
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on the Phil Donahue Show.
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This bright audience knows damn well
that steroids were used.
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Vince McMahon didn't like me.
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Something that happened
on the Phil Donahue Show
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where I caught him in a lie.
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I mean, we were on the panel,
and I said,
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"Vince, didn't you say
that you were devastated
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when you found out
Hogan lied on Arsenio Hall?"
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I wasn't devastated.
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He goes, "I never said devastated."
Dave Meltzer said, "You told me."
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-That was the word you used to me.
-Well, all right.
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I'm just sitting here going,
you told me this.
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I'm not gonna say nothing
when that's the exact word you used.
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And then he gave me a look.
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If looks could kill,
I wouldn't be around.
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DONAHUE
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The day of the Donahue Show,
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something really,
really scary happened.
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I had an apartment on Long Island.
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There was a knock on the door.
I wasn't there.
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My mom, who used to live with me,
she opened the door up,
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and there were two gentlemen,
asked if John Arezzi lived there.
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And my mom said,
"Yeah, my son lives here."
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"Tell your son he lives
in a dangerous neighborhood."
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And I was like,
what was that all about?
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That's part of the problem.
They have vivid imaginations.
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They say these things. Nobody
would care enough about John Arezzi
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to send black-suited guys
to his house.
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That's the fables they tell
to give themselves
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an importance that they don't have.
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What happened was Phil Mushnick
started writing these hit pieces.
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And it just seems as though
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they're ganging up on us,
all at one time.
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Said he was worse
than Hannibal Lector.
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Gonna call him something like that
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because people did something
legal to do when they did it?
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McDevitt's tactics going
after journalists are
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right out of central casting
from old courtroom dramas.
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He perceived it was wrong
that Hulk Hogan
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had been excused from testifying
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and called out for it
in one of his writings,
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another federal investigation
of the WWE.
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And the Eastern District prosecutors
read that
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and took up his call
for investigation.
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He's flattering me!
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I had no idea
I had this kind of muscle.
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And I was actually up
at the WWE's headquarters.
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We got the first of what became
7 or 8 grand jury subpoenas
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issued from the eastern district
of New York
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that commenced the investigation.
I think it was on April 2nd of 1992.
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I remember
talking about it with Vince.
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And he asked me
to represent them in it.
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And you just kind of know,
in this business, certain things,
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the minute you get the subpoena,
what the result's gonna be.
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This is not gonna be an investigation
they're gonna look into something
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and then say, "Okay, nothing there."
This is a witch hunt.
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The grand jury investigation
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would allow prosecutors
to assemble evidence
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and gather witnesses
for an eventual indictment.
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Under a cloud of suspicion,
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McMahon and his legal team
brace for the inevitable.
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They're gonna find something
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and see if they can get you
to plea bargain.
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So hunker down.
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For the next 18 months, it was sort
of the feeling of being stalked.
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You know somebody is following you,
looking at everything you do,
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and are gonna try to harm you.
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No limit to how long the government
can go on to do that to you.
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And so I started teaching myself
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everything I could learn
about steroids.
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All you can do is prepare
for what you know is gonna come.
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With a grand jury investigation
in full swing,
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the WWF's woes
become tabloid fodder.
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I was told by McMahon
that I was an FBI informant.
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Well, I think they leak
various things to the media,
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so the media writes a story that...
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further demonizes the target
and builds public support
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for the prosecution, in exchange
that they have inside sources
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on the investigation and things
of that nature.
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They all deny that any
of that stuff goes on, but it does.
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I was an FBI informant.
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What I wrote, they'd read,
and then they acted on it.
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So I guess I informed them,
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as well as every other reader
of that column.
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You gotta understand,
leading up to that trial,
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McMahon's not just taking
me sitting down.
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He's got me trailed.
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He's got a group called
Fairfax Partners, former FBI agents
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who are looking
for anything they can get on me.
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I ran into one of these guys.
I found out who he was.
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He was investigating me.
We're laughing and we're drinking.
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And we're getting along great.
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He says to me, "Listen, I know you're
a good guy, but this is my job."
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I said, "That's a lousy job."
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And I told him, I said,
"I smoked a lot of pot in college.
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Go with it, go with it.
Take me down."
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And he was laughing, he's laughing.
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As prosecutors subpoena witnesses,
media reports indicate
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that McMahon's limo driver,
James Stewart,
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is prepared to testify
that McMahon ordered him
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to deliver a shipment of steroids
to Hulk Hogan.
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Why do you think they didn't call him
as a witness in Vince's trial?
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Probably because he had brought
a lawsuit against the WWE for some,
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I can't even remember
what reason he conjured up.
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And when I took his deposition,
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I caught him dead to rights
perjuring himself.
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Don't think you'd put on a stand
somebody who'd admitted to perjury.
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In the midst
of the federal investigation,
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the WWF initiates
a dramatic overhaul
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of the types of physiques
it features on television.
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Because of the scandal,
Vince McMahon couldn't keep Hogan.
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It's like a slap
in the Hulkster's face, baby!
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Hogan was the star of the show
and had been for years and years.
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But it was time
that Vince wanted to get younger.
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Vince McMahon is thinking,
"Do I want a diminished,
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thinner Hulk Hogan
as my centerpiece,
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advertising to my audience
how important steroids were?"
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Vince McMahon had to shift
to wrestlers who were more athletic.
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Despite the WWF veering away from
excessively muscular body types,
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and Hulk Hogan
departing the company,
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in November of 1993,
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the hammer finally drops.
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We were in New York. I walked
in the restaurant. The news was on.
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-"McMahon Indicted."
-The indictment says that McMahon
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and a doctor conspired to distribute
steroids to the wrestlers
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to enhance their size
and muscle development.
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Everybody in the restaurant was
saying, like, "Go get 'em, Vinny!"
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They were cheering for him.
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We were celebrating
that he got indicted
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because now we get a chance
to end this.
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After 18 months of getting bled
in the media
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and all the accusations...
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give me a chance to go
in a courtroom and kick their butt,
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the only way this is gonna end.
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If convicted,
McMahon faces 8 years in prison
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and half a million dollars in fines.
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That whole trial was like a circus.
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There were wrestling fans there,
newsletter writers there.
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Vince's family that would show up
every day in the courtroom.
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Stephanie and Shane
were not confident.
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They were scared and loved their dad
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and wanted to protect the family
empire at that point also.
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Then Vince shows up wearing
this neck brace
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and everyone
was kind of laughing at it.
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People were like,
"You've got to be kidding me!
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Playing on the jury
for sympathy in a neck brace?"
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McMahon was the babyface
to this audience,
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which was funny to me because
it's cheering for the guy on trial.
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Here we go, it's a wrestling angle.
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A lot of speculation that that
was for sympathy when it wasn't.
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It was very real.
He'd had neck surgery.
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He knew he was gonna have to be
at trial and scheduled it
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so he would have that done then
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so he wouldn't be on TV
with a neck brace on.
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That's why it was that time.
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The prosecution team,
led by Sean O'Shea,
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have a lineup of WWF
superstar witnesses set to testify,
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including The Ultimate Warrior
and Hulk Hogan.
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Jerry McDevitt's
prior representation of Hogan
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at the Zahorian trial is regarded
as a conflict of interest,
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forcing McMahon's team to bring
in reinforcements.
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Laura had been a former prosecutor,
very well regarded.
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So I said, "This is what we'll do.
I will represent WWE,
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Laura will represent Vince
personally.
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We'll rely on Laura's
cross-examination of Hogan."
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They couldn't then use
my prior representation
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to knock me out the case.
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That also gave us the advantage
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of having double openings,
double closings,
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two people doing cross-examinations
and whatnot.
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They sent me a subpoena, said,
"Be at the trial on this day."
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Best thing I did was tell the truth.
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Vince never came to me face-to-face,
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said, "If you don't take steroids,
you don't have a job."
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You said on the stand
you never bought from Zahorian.
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-His prices were too high.
-It's true.
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His prices were four times
what I could get.
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Emblematic of their case.
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So many people came
and said, "Yes, I use steroids.
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I used steroids
before I came to the WWE.
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I didn't buy them from Dr. Zahorian."
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You're left thinking,
why are they even here?
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The whole thing was a big witch hunt.
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They just wanted to go after Vince
for something.
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Other wrestlers describe steroid
regimens
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that they began
long before coming to the WWF,
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but that changed
under McMahon's direction
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when the law shifted in 1990.
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Until one finally delivers
what looks like a knockout.
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I came out here...
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...for one reason!
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When Kevin Wacholz,
Nails, gave testimony,
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his story was Vince McMahon
told him, "We need you on steroids."
472
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,120
We showed a jury a picture
of how he performed,
473
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,280
in this outfit that covered his body.
474
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,440
So he wasn't a performer
like an Ultimate Warrior
475
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,960
or somebody whose body
you actually saw.
476
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,240
Why McMahon would want him
on steroids in a controversy?
477
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,320
And an outfit won't reveal muscles
478
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,040
really seems questionable
or lacking credibility.
479
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,080
She was like, "Any animosity
towards Vince McMahon?"
480
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,600
And he goes, "No!"
481
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,440
She goes, "He doesn't know what
'animosity' means."
482
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,800
"You hate Vince McMahon?"
He goes, "Yes."
483
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,280
The whole thing is weak.
484
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,120
You believe that he's innocent?
485
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,160
He took professional wrestling
to a level of success,
486
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,640
and he made enemies.
487
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960
After a string of disappointments
for prosecutors
488
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,640
desperate to convince the jury
McMahon conspired
489
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,120
with Dr. Zahorian,
490
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,240
they bring in Zahorian
directly from his prison cell
491
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,320
to testify against McMahon.
492
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,120
And during his direct examination,
Dr. Zahorian kept vaguely
493
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,400
referring to a letter he'd written,
which we didn't have.
494
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,760
And finally, the judge ordered him
to turn over any letters
495
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,640
they received from Dr. Zahorian.
496
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,040
In the midst of the trial,
this document gets turned over,
497
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,560
while Zahorian's on the stand.
And so I'm reading it.
498
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,760
And I was stunned.
Dated May 19, 1993.
499
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,160
"Dear Mr. O'Shea, as you know,
500
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,000
I recently testified
before the federal grand jury.
501
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,360
My testimony was required by you,
pursuant to subpoena,
502
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,520
but I nonetheless consented
and agreed to cooperate.
503
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,400
As a result, I was transported by
the federal marshals in handcuffs,
504
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,520
waist chains, and leg chains,
and detained at various prisons
505
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,280
for a period of 44 days
under conditions more appropriate
506
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,920
for violent,
maximum-security inmates."
507
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,760
They take him
for 44 days on this tour
508
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,400
of these various
solitary confinement whatnot.
509
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,160
He has no idea. "What's happening
to me? What is this about?"
510
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,720
Nobody tells him anything.
511
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,760
He arrives in the Eastern District,
512
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,000
and he's taken into the grand jury
without any preparation at all.
513
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,000
They ask him, "We've been told about
some conversation
514
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,760
you supposedly had
with Vince McMahon about steroids.
515
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,440
Can you tell us about that?"
516
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,400
And his answer was, "I don't know
what you're talking about."
517
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000
And they take him out of the room.
518
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,640
After he's taken out of the room,
he's put in other hellholes,
519
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,600
New York, solitary confinement.
520
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,840
I remember reading that to the jury
and thinking, like,
521
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,960
this is the stuff that gets done
in America to get somebody?
522
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,080
After that, they bring him back
in a grand jury room.
523
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,080
And before they do, they tell him,
524
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,560
"We have recording
of you with Bill Dunn.
525
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,320
You were indicating that you were
willing to sell steroids to kids,
526
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,480
which you haven't been charged with."
527
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,840
They ask the same question:
"Have a conversation with Vince?"
528
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,200
And so then, "Yeah, I did have
a conversation with Vince."
529
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:49,480
While on the stand, Dr. Zahorian
recounts a meeting with McMahon
530
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,760
where he disclosed he was selling
drugs to his wrestlers,
531
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,200
but McMahon never told him to stop.
532
00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:00,600
That sole conversation then becomes
the only basis for charging Vince
533
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,400
with having some conspiracy
of any kind with Dr. Zahorian.
534
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,080
Nothing in that conversation
535
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,560
has anything to do with defrauding
the FDA or anything like it.
536
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,880
When questioned by prosecutors,
Dr. Zahorian denied his treatment
537
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,440
was malicious
or influenced his testimony.
538
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,760
Pre-trial interactions
with witnesses
539
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600
were apparently not only limited
to prosecutors.
540
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,000
Vince McMahon's
personal assistant, Emily Feinburg,
541
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,960
had intimate knowledge
of his own steroid use
542
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,600
and records
of financial transactions
543
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,000
between McMahon and Zahorian
544
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,320
that could shatter his defense.
545
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,680
Watching Laura Brevetti
cross-examining Emily Feinburg,
546
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,560
and it's like, she has ESP.
547
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,400
She knows every answer
and got her comeback.
548
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Immediately!
I never thought about it
549
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,880
until that story
in the Village Voice.
550
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,920
Marty Bergman was
the secret husband of Laura Brevetti.
551
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Her husband was talking to me
552
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,240
as another reporter discussing
the trial, before the trial.
553
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,200
And he calls me,
and he's representing himself
554
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,760
as representing 60 Minutes.
555
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,120
And I go, "Yeah?"
Like, "Tell me about McMahon.
556
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,040
What do you know that you haven't
written that we can get into?"
557
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,920
I said, "I don't know.
What I know, I've written.
558
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,880
And if I knew something else,
I wouldn't tell you."
559
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,560
I remember calling my wife's cousin
who's an entertainment lawyer.
560
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,200
And I said, "I heard from one
of 60 Minutes' producers today."
561
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360
Said, "What's the name?"
He says, "He's not a producer.
562
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,840
That's his brother."
I said, "He's not a producer?"
563
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,560
He said, "No."
564
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,600
I read he told Emily Feinburg
that he was gonna get,
565
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,920
like, book deals
and things like this.
566
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,000
He was pumping her for info.
567
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,680
Laura's there with every rebuff,
right there.
568
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,400
She knew everything.
It was unbelievable.
569
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,600
I knew Marty. He was a good guy.
570
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160
I liked Marty. He was Mr. New York.
571
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,800
And if anything that he had done
that constituted witness tampering,
572
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,280
they would've brought it out,
573
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,840
and there was nothing.
574
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,960
Vince McMahon, himself,
addressed the allegations
575
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,280
shortly after
they appeared in print.
576
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,920
I state that my heart goes out
to my attorney, Laura Brevetti,
577
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,680
and her husband Marty Bergman.
578
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400
These same yellow journalists
who had to eat crow
579
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,280
for telling lies are once again
incestuously joining forces,
580
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,280
trying to drum up support
for their personal agenda.
581
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,960
Trying to manufacture some reason
to save face.
582
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,240
Attempting to perpetuate
some theory of witness tampering.
583
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Gentlemen,
is that the best you can do?
584
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,560
The establishing of venue,
a legal requirement that cares
585
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
are brought in the area
where the alleged crimes occurred,
586
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,000
becomes a key point in the trial.
587
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,960
Although Dr. Zahorian sold steroids
in Pennsylvania,
588
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,960
the charges against Vince
and the WWF
589
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,800
were brought
by the Eastern District of New York.
590
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,080
Prosecutors need to demonstrate
591
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,440
that some steroid distribution
happened in the Eastern District.
592
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,400
The thing I can't understand is why
the government indicted McMahon
593
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,160
on Long Island,
594
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,960
when all the paper trails
595
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,400
were right there in his backyard
in Stamford, Connecticut.
596
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,640
I thought that was a folly.
597
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,040
They principally tried to use her
to establish venue by suggesting
598
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
that she had taken some steroids
599
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,400
and delivered them to Hulk Hogan
through a driver.
600
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840
They got her
on the witness stand to say,
601
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,240
"I think they were delivered,
either Madison Square Garden
602
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,680
or Nassau Coliseum," and whatnot.
603
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320
So we had to dissect that testimony
by showing,
604
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,120
okay, here's the date you received
the steroids.
605
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Here's agent's reports for when WWE
performed at Nassau Coliseum.
606
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,760
There's no match between the two.
607
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,680
How would you have delivered
anything to Hulk Hogan
608
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,120
at Nassau Coliseum when
he wasn't there on those dates, so...
609
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600
One of the counts
Vince was indicted on,
610
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,560
and that charge was thrown out.
611
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Why was that charge there
in the first place?
612
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,920
The witness who could do the most
damage would be Hulk Hogan,
613
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,480
who had recently signed
with McMahon's rival, WCW.
614
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,480
Hogan is granted immunity
for anything he would reveal
615
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,040
on the stand about how he got
his steroids from Dr. Zahorian
616
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,160
while working for McMahon.
617
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,120
There was no doubt that all
of the steroid scandal caused a rift
618
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,080
between Hogan and McMahon.
619
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,200
And there were expectations
620
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,360
that Hogan was gonna go in there
and kinda bury Vince.
621
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,360
When Hogan came
in the courtroom...
622
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Hulk Hogan testifying could seal
the deal for the prosecution
623
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,280
and send Vince to prison.
624
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,320
He is the person the prosecution said
bought drugs from Vince McMahon.
625
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,720
And what are you gonna do
when Hulkamania destroys you?
626
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,520
It was very dramatic.
627
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,440
Sorry that he was gonna get
drug through it again.
628
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,440
Hogan's here. What's he gonna say?
629
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,120
I knew what was on the line.
630
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,800
The problem was,
if they put McMahon in jail,
631
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,440
they should put
the wrestling community in jail
632
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,240
He didn't sell them, didn't inject,
like, he didn't do it.
633
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,520
Hogan framed it, to the shock
of the prosecutors,
634
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,480
and to people gasping
in the courtroom, quietly:
635
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,840
"We were friends. I had
extra steroids. I gave 'em to Vince.
636
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Sometimes he had extra,
gave to me.
637
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,800
-Doesn't make him a drug dealer."
-He was the big dog
638
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,000
and when he walks in and says,
639
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,960
"This doesn't have anything to do
with a conspiracy,"
640
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,640
there goes their case.
641
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,680
He kind of just like exonerated Vince
for any implication of involvement,
642
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,360
which, to this day, is
kind of something you wonder about.
643
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,720
And that's why Vince,
Vince McMahon survived it.
644
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,120
Vince didn't go to jail
for 17 years because of me.
645
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,480
Having watched it, I felt Hogan's
testimony was beneficial to Vince.
646
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,840
Vince didn't see it that way,
furious Hogan testified.
647
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,440
I think they didn't want any part
of each other towards the end.
648
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,640
It was kind of like, you go your way,
I go my way.
649
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,800
And nice knowing ya, pal.
650
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,320
McMahon's spokesman says,
651
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,880
"Hulk Hogan
body-slammed the prosecution."
652
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,360
Watch the Pay Per View Sunday,
brother.
653
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,200
-Why didn't you have Vince testify?
-I mean, what would he say?
654
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,120
There was no evidence against Vince
other than that silly conversation
655
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,520
that Dr. Zahorian trotted out
after he went through 44 days
656
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,200
of traveling through
solitary confinement in jail.
657
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,360
But nothing about that conversation,
even if it occurred,
658
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,880
that was incriminating.
659
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,040
Sean O'Shea, in his closing argument,
went from reserved
660
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520
to explosive and bombastic.
661
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,720
And it was a flurry of language
that painted Vince McMahon
662
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,280
in a villainous way.
663
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,480
He goes, "Know who has no respect
for wrestling? Vince McMahon!"
664
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Like an amazing pro wrestling promo.
665
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,240
Corporate drug dealers
and all this just...
666
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,480
inflammatory terms most judges
wouldn't let prosecutor get away with
667
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,240
'cause they don't have anything,
just trying to prejudice the jury.
668
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,800
SEAN O'SHEA
DECLINED TO BE INTERVIEWED.
669
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080
He starts talking about
the hundreds of millions of dollars
670
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,440
that Vince McMahon made
off of these steroids.
671
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,240
I mean, he did a great speech.
672
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,760
O'Shea, I think at that point,
framed it as,
673
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,120
"Take down Vince McMahon
'cause he's treating wrestlers
674
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,440
as slabs of meat to make money
and gain power and fame.
675
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,240
This was nefarious and intentional,
and he knew what he was doing."
676
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,400
I went out in the hall.
Stephanie was out in the hallway.
677
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,080
She was a young girl then.
And she was crying.
678
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,200
And...
679
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,880
And I always... really liked
Stephanie.
680
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,800
And she was very upset at the things
that he was saying about her father.
681
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,320
I remember saying to her, "Steph,
you haven't heard me yet. Just wait."
682
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,680
This case is all sizzle, no steak,
all icing, no cake.
683
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,400
When we were doing our research
and I was plumbing the FDA files,
684
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,120
I came across documents
for a drug called Anavar,
685
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,280
which is a very powerful steroid.
686
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,800
It was a memo where the FDA
was meeting with the manufacturer,
687
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440
telling them that Anavar was not safe
for human consumption
688
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,320
and that it had to be removed
from the market.
689
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,920
This drug has been given
to many of these men
690
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,640
who are coming in here
to testify in this case.
691
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,600
It demonstrates
how inept they were in regulation
692
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,320
when your internal memos say that
you have determined Anavar is unfit
693
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400
for consumption and should be
removed from the market,
694
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,520
and you know they didn't do that.
695
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,360
The jurors passed a note
to the judge, saying,
696
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,160
"We want to know whether what
Mr. McDevitt is saying is true.
697
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Did they not remove Anavar
from the market?"
698
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:13,400
And we go to a sidebar.
O'Shea is, "Don't tell 'em, judge!
699
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,400
And I'm going,
"Tell 'em the truth! Tell 'em!!"
700
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,120
So the judge tells them,
"It wasn't removed from the market."
701
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,200
I thought, at that point,
the jury really gets it.
702
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,000
They understand the hypocrisy
of this prosecution,
703
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,720
for them to be coming in here
704
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,240
saying these men
were some part of some plan
705
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,360
to defraud the government agency
protecting them,
706
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,840
when the government agency
failed them completely.
707
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,040
When it came to closing arguments,
he homed in on the idea
708
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,000
of the unfairness of the system.
709
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,640
But part of a theme
in his closing argument of,
710
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,800
the government is coming after this
family business over flimsy arguments
711
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,400
that you've watched fall apart
before your eyes the last 3 weeks.
712
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,120
Maybe I'm an optimist,
but I didn't spend
713
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,480
one minute of time
thinking about losing.
714
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,240
When the jury's coming in,
you don't only feel your heart.
715
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,960
You hear it beating.
716
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,440
I could hear Linda's heart beating.
717
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,600
She was sitting right next to me.
So it's a very intense moment.
718
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,360
In the criminal context, there's
so much more at stake than money.
719
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,440
It's your liberty, your life,
720
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,680
the survival of the company,
everything.
721
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,480
In federal court,
722
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,160
it's in the high 90s,
percentage of cases that are indicted
723
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,400
that are either resolved
by a guilty verdict or plea bargain.
724
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,680
It's an extremely low percentage,
2 to 5 percent that ever go to trial
725
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,520
and where there's an acquittal.
726
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:43,040
You can probably count on one hand
where the defendant is acquitted
727
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,960
without calling a single witness.
728
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,960
There's no more...
for lack of a better word,
729
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,400
ballsy move
than not to call a witness.
730
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,240
You know it's one of those strategies
that if it's successful and it works,
731
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,840
everybody goes, "What a brilliant
lawyer! Didn't call a witness."
732
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,880
But if they get a conviction,
733
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,200
they go, "You believe that idiot?
He didn't call a witness."
734
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,560
That's one of those, you make your
judgment and you'll be judged on it.
735
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,800
They took the verdict first
against Vince.
736
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,240
They said, "Not guilty."
737
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,400
Meanwhile, I'm sitting there,
representing WWE, thinking,
738
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,240
what's the verdict on them?
739
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Don't tell me you compromised,
where you're gonna let Vince off,
740
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,440
but find the company guilty.
That would be terrible.
741
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:38,040
And when it was "not guilty,"
it was almost like Hulk Hogan
742
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,920
had just won a match
at Madison Square Garden.
743
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,840
People just popped.
744
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:48,560
This one is my favorite one up here.
The jury announced his verdict.
745
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,800
That's Linda, me, and Vince hugging.
746
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,520
What I thought was interesting
is the clapping
747
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,160
'cause that is what happened.
The jury verdict was very popular.
748
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,800
And they really were reliant
on the jury to see conspiracy
749
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,200
as an overreach by the prosecution.
750
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,240
That's what it boiled down to
and what they deliberated over.
751
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,560
I'm sure that
he will make it out to be
752
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,680
one of his triumphs in his history.
753
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,760
But all the testimony was that
all the guys were on steroids.
754
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,320
You just didn't get convicted
for conspiracy.
755
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600
But were you built on the steroids?
756
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,760
Were all those guys on steroids?
100 percent they were!
757
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,080
If anything,
the testimony in that case
758
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,320
proved what
everyone assumed anyway.
759
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,800
When Vince McMahon
was exonerated from this,
760
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,360
he became even a more
larger-than-life personality.
761
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,080
As we say in the
World Wrestling Federation,
762
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,720
and it could be that the hunters
are soon, will be the hunted.
763
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,000
-What does that mean, Vince?
-Stay tuned, Roseanna.
764
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,000
He dodged a big bullet.
765
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,800
So we have this celebration
back at the hotel we were at.
766
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,760
We're sitting there
after probably too many cocktails
767
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,000
that night of the verdict.
768
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,400
And I said to him, "Vince,
you can take that neck brace off,"
769
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,720
kind of kidding him. And he does!
770
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,840
He takes it off and starts waving it.
771
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,120
He put it back on right afterwards.
772
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,200
I don't want you to think
there was nothing wrong
773
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,000
'cause there was, but it was just
kind of a... a funny moment.
774
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Describe you and Vince's bond?
775
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,520
Unbreakable.
776
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,560
When you represent somebody
in an ordeal like this
777
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:34,080
and you stay in the trenches
with them and you don't blink...
778
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,280
and you fight like hell for them,
779
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,600
the loyalties to each other
are lifelong.
780
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,240
There's no bond that
would ever break that. Period.
781
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,400
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