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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:14,115 ♪ 2 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:17,160 Jake "The Snake" Roberts is one of the most authentic 3 00:00:17,184 --> 00:00:19,954 personalities the wrestling world has ever seen. 4 00:00:19,978 --> 00:00:21,789 I'll drop you so fast with that DDT, 5 00:00:21,813 --> 00:00:23,625 your whole family'll fall down. 6 00:00:23,649 --> 00:00:25,126 (cheering) 7 00:00:25,150 --> 00:00:26,127 He's done it! 8 00:00:26,151 --> 00:00:30,006 Behind his raw intensity lies a depth of personal trauma, 9 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:33,259 which has shaped his iconic in-ring persona. 10 00:00:33,283 --> 00:00:35,887 How could anything that looks so hot be so cold? 11 00:00:35,911 --> 00:00:38,640 Well, it's easy, you see, time has done that to me. 12 00:00:38,664 --> 00:00:42,644 Unknown to fans for years, wrestlers Sam Houston and 13 00:00:42,668 --> 00:00:44,771 Rockin' Robin are Jake "The Snake's" 14 00:00:44,795 --> 00:00:46,773 real life brother and sister. 15 00:00:46,797 --> 00:00:49,317 Each followed in the footsteps of their father, 16 00:00:49,341 --> 00:00:52,028 wrestling giant, Grizzly Smith. 17 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:54,322 The control that Grizz had over his kids, 18 00:00:54,346 --> 00:00:57,533 he could pit 'em all against each other because 19 00:00:57,557 --> 00:01:01,079 he was a master of everything. He was a puppeteer. 20 00:01:01,103 --> 00:01:03,539 Scarred by traumatic childhoods, 21 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:06,876 the Smith children followed self-destructive paths, 22 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,544 and each battled addictions 23 00:01:08,568 --> 00:01:10,630 that nearly destroyed their lives. 24 00:01:10,654 --> 00:01:12,590 You know how hard it is to put a smile on your face 25 00:01:12,614 --> 00:01:15,093 when you know what a piece of shit you really are? 26 00:01:15,117 --> 00:01:18,888 I'd been to prison two days and I tried to hang myself. 27 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:20,848 It's the very, very young girls, 28 00:01:20,872 --> 00:01:22,267 that seems to be the trigger. 29 00:01:22,291 --> 00:01:25,520 And, I was scared of him, just totally scared of him. 30 00:01:25,544 --> 00:01:27,689 This is Jo Lynn here. 31 00:01:27,713 --> 00:01:30,400 Without a body, they can't file murder. 32 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:33,736 Decades later, the Smith family finally face their 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,365 haunted past in order to survive beyond the ring. 34 00:01:37,389 --> 00:01:39,325 Lies have consequences. 35 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:41,202 If you want to feel pain, then you have to go 36 00:01:41,226 --> 00:01:44,080 from the top and get knocked to the bottom. 37 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,165 That's when you feel real pain. 38 00:01:46,189 --> 00:01:51,653 ♪ 39 00:01:55,949 --> 00:01:59,220 ♪ 40 00:01:59,244 --> 00:02:01,681 None of us wants to talk about what happened. 41 00:02:01,705 --> 00:02:03,141 It's too painful. 42 00:02:03,165 --> 00:02:05,893 There's just too damn much... 43 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:09,147 that gets drug out. 44 00:02:09,171 --> 00:02:11,441 There was just no relationship. 45 00:02:11,465 --> 00:02:13,651 There was no pat each other on the back shit. 46 00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:16,154 There was no, "I'm happy for you." 47 00:02:16,178 --> 00:02:17,447 You would've never thought we were 48 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:19,348 brothers and sisters, that's for sure. 49 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:24,954 'Cause we were always that way. 50 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:27,790 We had just been kind of raised at a distance. 51 00:02:27,814 --> 00:02:30,209 ♪ 52 00:02:30,233 --> 00:02:32,045 Since the formulation of professional wrestling as 53 00:02:32,069 --> 00:02:34,464 an organized sport, it's been a family business 54 00:02:34,488 --> 00:02:36,007 to a lot of the participants. 55 00:02:36,031 --> 00:02:38,343 There's been a lot of well-known wrestling families, 56 00:02:38,367 --> 00:02:40,136 like the Hart family from Calgary, 57 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,888 the Von Erich's from Texas. 58 00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:44,474 You could trust family members with the business secrets 59 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:47,268 and the secrets in the ring because they were your blood. 60 00:02:47,292 --> 00:02:50,438 And also, they had a vested interest in the success of 61 00:02:50,462 --> 00:02:53,274 the industry because it was their livelihood as well. 62 00:02:53,298 --> 00:02:54,400 I'm Jim Cornette. 63 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:55,777 For over 40 years, I've been a part of 64 00:02:55,801 --> 00:02:58,404 professional wrestling as an announcer, manager, promoter. 65 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:00,698 But also, I've been a student of professional 66 00:03:00,722 --> 00:03:02,891 wrestling history for over 50 years. 67 00:03:07,354 --> 00:03:10,083 Even though the Smith family was all related, 68 00:03:10,107 --> 00:03:12,418 the people inside the industry knew that, 69 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:14,754 but to the fans, Jake Roberts, 70 00:03:14,778 --> 00:03:17,757 Sam Houston, Rockin' Robin, Grizzly Smith, 71 00:03:17,781 --> 00:03:20,426 were all different people. There was no knowledge, 72 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:22,220 publicly, that they were related. 73 00:03:22,244 --> 00:03:24,680 You know, in all honesty, Sam Houston was the best 74 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:27,225 in-ring performer of the entire family. 75 00:03:27,249 --> 00:03:29,519 My name's Michael Smith, aka, 76 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:30,770 Sam Houston. 77 00:03:30,794 --> 00:03:32,522 How I fit into the Smith family, 78 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:33,564 I'm one of 'em. 79 00:03:33,588 --> 00:03:34,899 Depending on who you look at, 80 00:03:34,923 --> 00:03:37,026 I mean, I'm somebody's father, 81 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:39,445 I'm somebody's son, I'm somebody's brother. 82 00:03:39,469 --> 00:03:41,739 Through our family, first, Jake's the oldest, 83 00:03:41,763 --> 00:03:44,867 then Richard, then myself, and then Robin. 84 00:03:44,891 --> 00:03:47,662 Robin's one of the best women's world champions, 85 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:49,455 you know, ever to come down the line. 86 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:51,207 And, she's my sister. 87 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,042 It's an honor for me to say that. 88 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:55,152 - Wah! - Oh! The bulldog! 89 00:03:57,946 --> 00:04:00,258 Many years ago, Rockin' Robin. 90 00:04:00,282 --> 00:04:03,076 - Rockin' Robin! - (cheering) 91 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:08,307 Actually, it was just kind of a lazy thing. 92 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:10,184 One of my first matches, they said, 93 00:04:10,208 --> 00:04:11,519 "What do you want to be announced as?" 94 00:04:11,543 --> 00:04:13,980 And I just said, "Okay, Rockin' Robin." 95 00:04:14,004 --> 00:04:17,233 I think I would have liked to have tried out Rotten Robin. 96 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:19,068 I think that would have been fun. 97 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:20,862 I'm Robin Smith. 98 00:04:20,886 --> 00:04:23,781 And, for the Smith family, I am the sister of 99 00:04:23,805 --> 00:04:27,118 Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Sam Houston, and then 100 00:04:27,142 --> 00:04:28,828 I have another brother that a lot of people 101 00:04:28,852 --> 00:04:32,415 don't know about, Richard. 102 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,794 My name's Richard Nabors, and Aurelian Smith is my father. 103 00:04:36,818 --> 00:04:39,255 And Jake Roberts is my brother. 104 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,574 Sam Houston is my brother. Robin Smith is my sister. 105 00:04:46,661 --> 00:04:48,139 It's Jake. 106 00:04:48,163 --> 00:04:50,600 This is Jake and myself. 107 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:52,935 Jake "The Snake" Roberts is his wrestling name. 108 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:54,812 When he was growing up in high school, 109 00:04:54,836 --> 00:04:57,607 my grandmother called him Buster. 110 00:04:57,631 --> 00:04:59,150 That was his nickname. 111 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:00,693 That kind of stuck with him for years, 112 00:05:00,717 --> 00:05:03,428 but Jake's what he wrestles by and what he goes by. 113 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:11,537 I didn't want to travel like that. 114 00:05:11,561 --> 00:05:16,042 It's not a lifestyle. But Jake likes attention. 115 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:18,002 He likes all the stardom being on him. 116 00:05:18,026 --> 00:05:20,171 Please welcome Jake "The Snake" Roberts. 117 00:05:20,195 --> 00:05:21,422 When he walks in the room, I mean, 118 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:24,133 it's like, you know, he wants it all to be there. 119 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:26,636 And that's from being in the ring so many years. 120 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:28,513 That's from being in that business. 121 00:05:28,537 --> 00:05:31,224 It's just a rat race. 122 00:05:31,248 --> 00:05:33,601 It wasn't me. 123 00:05:33,625 --> 00:05:35,186 Jake Roberts, as a wrestler, 124 00:05:35,210 --> 00:05:37,480 had strengths and had weaknesses. 125 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:40,775 Jake Roberts was never a high level amateur athlete. 126 00:05:40,799 --> 00:05:43,402 He didn't have a ridiculous physique. 127 00:05:43,426 --> 00:05:45,988 But what Jake knew and understood was the, 128 00:05:46,012 --> 00:05:48,074 the mental aspect of pro wrestling, 129 00:05:48,098 --> 00:05:49,659 the psychology of it. 130 00:05:49,683 --> 00:05:52,078 By growing up with a father in wrestling and by 131 00:05:52,102 --> 00:05:55,498 learning how to think of it, and he had the verbal ability. 132 00:05:55,522 --> 00:05:58,251 Don't come calling me a sicko because, 133 00:05:58,275 --> 00:06:00,169 brother, if you look at yourself in the mirror 134 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:02,964 I think you'll find out one thing... 135 00:06:02,988 --> 00:06:06,050 You're no different than me, if you tell yourself the truth. 136 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:09,554 Jake "The Snake" Roberts, once he fully developed 137 00:06:09,578 --> 00:06:15,101 that persona, was able to make you believe 138 00:06:15,125 --> 00:06:18,896 that he really was a snake in the grass. 139 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 And there was probably some truth to it. 140 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:25,444 He was kind of dad's shadow, in a way, I think. 141 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:28,781 He, he spent as much time as he could with dad and, 142 00:06:28,805 --> 00:06:31,576 maybe, I guess, learning the ropes, you know. 143 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,786 That's... 144 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:36,622 dad and Jake. 145 00:06:36,646 --> 00:06:38,457 Jake "The Snake" Roberts here. 146 00:06:38,481 --> 00:06:43,296 Real name is Aurelian Smith Jr. 147 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,488 Now you know why we went Jake "The Snake". 148 00:06:51,745 --> 00:06:53,848 He didn't want me in wrestling, period. 149 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:56,142 In fact, he got me fired a couple of places, 150 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:58,644 asked the promoters to fire me. 151 00:06:58,668 --> 00:07:00,021 To get me out. 152 00:07:00,045 --> 00:07:02,523 I got humiliated, I got stretched, 153 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:04,650 I got tore up. 154 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:07,320 Basically, crawled back to the locker room and, 155 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:08,654 my father looked at me and said, 156 00:07:08,678 --> 00:07:10,156 "I'm ashamed of you. You're gutless and 157 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:13,075 you'll never amount to anything." 158 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:15,369 Exactly what I wanted to hear. 159 00:07:15,393 --> 00:07:17,038 That was my whole drive. 160 00:07:17,062 --> 00:07:21,083 I got into wrestling because I hated my father. 161 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:24,003 And that was gonna break it off in his ass. 162 00:07:24,027 --> 00:07:26,130 I wanted to hear my father say, 163 00:07:26,154 --> 00:07:28,591 "I'm proud of you, son. 164 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:30,593 I'm really proud of you." 165 00:07:30,617 --> 00:07:33,596 You know, he never told me that. 166 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:36,015 He'd tell other wrestlers he was proud of 'em, 167 00:07:36,039 --> 00:07:37,808 but he wouldn't tell me. 168 00:07:37,832 --> 00:07:41,044 Never. And that was my drive. 169 00:07:47,258 --> 00:07:49,070 He had worked in the oil fields. 170 00:07:49,094 --> 00:07:52,198 He met someone that had... 171 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:55,368 knew about wrestling or was involved in wrestling and, 172 00:07:55,392 --> 00:07:59,372 you know, saw this big, humongous dude, you know... 173 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:02,249 (laughs) And said, "You'd probably be good." 174 00:08:02,273 --> 00:08:04,502 He would line up on Friday afternoon where they all 175 00:08:04,526 --> 00:08:07,254 got paid outside the railroad yard. 176 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:09,173 And he would stand up against the wall. 177 00:08:09,197 --> 00:08:12,718 And the guys would pay him 25 to 50 cents. 178 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:14,595 They would pay him if they could just draw back and hit him 179 00:08:14,619 --> 00:08:16,639 in the stomach as hard as they could because 180 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:20,976 it was a bet to try to make him double over. 181 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,396 He would make more money that afternoon, 182 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:26,440 in an hour's time, than he would the whole week. 183 00:08:26,464 --> 00:08:27,692 So, then he got the wild hair and 184 00:08:27,716 --> 00:08:29,485 he wanted to get into wrestling. 185 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:32,446 He was 7-foot tall. About 350 pounds. 186 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:34,490 Long red hair, big beard. 187 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:37,368 He looked like he just walked right out of the woods. 188 00:08:37,392 --> 00:08:39,245 He wore a pair of blue jeans and had a rope. 189 00:08:39,269 --> 00:08:41,414 His sash cord, that's what he called... 190 00:08:41,438 --> 00:08:42,707 That was his belt. 191 00:08:42,731 --> 00:08:44,583 If he could ever get a hold of somebody and 192 00:08:44,607 --> 00:08:46,711 wrap his arms around 'em, then that was it. 193 00:08:46,735 --> 00:08:48,778 (cheering) 194 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:58,472 Wow, how'd it make me feel? 195 00:08:58,496 --> 00:09:02,351 Well, I was honored. I mean, Superman was my dad. 196 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:03,728 He's the main event. 197 00:09:03,752 --> 00:09:05,938 He, you know, he's the biggest thing on the card, 198 00:09:05,962 --> 00:09:08,566 and he really was the biggest thing on the card. 199 00:09:08,590 --> 00:09:10,735 I used to get really freaked out when we'd go to the matches. 200 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:13,571 And I'd be inside the matches, watching him. 201 00:09:13,595 --> 00:09:15,156 He'd get his head busted open or, 202 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:16,323 you know, scratched. 203 00:09:16,347 --> 00:09:17,950 And he'd go to bleeding and stuff. 204 00:09:17,974 --> 00:09:21,287 I'm 6, 7, 8 years old and I would totally flip. 205 00:09:21,311 --> 00:09:23,205 So, dad'd get out of the ring and I'd go back to the 206 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:25,332 back with him and I'd be crying my eyes out, 207 00:09:25,356 --> 00:09:26,459 and he'd go back there and he'd sit down. 208 00:09:26,483 --> 00:09:27,626 And the doc'd look at him and say, 209 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:30,004 \{\an1}"Grizzly, I told you I can't do anything else with your head," 210 00:09:30,028 --> 00:09:32,673 because the skin, the tissue was tore up so bad. 211 00:09:32,697 --> 00:09:33,799 They'd take it, clean him up, 212 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:35,384 and put a butterfly Band-Aid on it. 213 00:09:35,408 --> 00:09:36,761 "Okay, see you tomorrow night." 214 00:09:36,785 --> 00:09:38,679 You know, and then he would travel to the next town, 215 00:09:38,703 --> 00:09:41,599 and it was just an ongoing thing. 216 00:09:41,623 --> 00:09:43,142 You know, I used to think when I was a kid, 217 00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:45,394 I said, why does he want to do that? 218 00:09:45,418 --> 00:09:47,188 And he'd tell me, "Son, I gotta make a living." 219 00:09:47,212 --> 00:09:48,939 I think one of the things that has helped me to 220 00:09:48,963 --> 00:09:53,652 understand life and to enjoy life as much as I do... 221 00:09:53,676 --> 00:09:56,614 is my father. 222 00:09:56,638 --> 00:10:00,075 He would give you a whipping for lying to him. 223 00:10:00,099 --> 00:10:01,368 He'd give you a whipping 224 00:10:01,392 --> 00:10:04,330 whenever he thought you needed it. 225 00:10:04,354 --> 00:10:08,709 He'd give you a whipping for making a mistake. 226 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:11,212 [Jake] My father was a mean man. 227 00:10:11,236 --> 00:10:15,382 Mean in the way that he tortured us, psychologically. 228 00:10:15,406 --> 00:10:19,220 He would play the angle out at home. 229 00:10:19,244 --> 00:10:23,390 His injuries, his feeling of the upcoming match. 230 00:10:23,414 --> 00:10:27,394 How dangerous this match was gonna be with those guys. 231 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:29,730 And, you know, I look back now and I say, 232 00:10:29,754 --> 00:10:31,273 why didn't I figure it out? 233 00:10:31,297 --> 00:10:33,150 You know, they kept showing up in the same territory 234 00:10:33,174 --> 00:10:34,902 my dad would go to, every damn time. 235 00:10:34,926 --> 00:10:36,111 What the hell? 236 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:37,530 These guys are chasing my father down and 237 00:10:37,554 --> 00:10:39,490 they're gonna kill him! 238 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:41,826 I remember crying myself to sleep many a night, 239 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:44,119 thinking my dad was gonna die. 240 00:10:44,143 --> 00:10:47,248 And that bastard never told us anything. 241 00:10:47,272 --> 00:10:50,459 By the end of the 70s, Grizzly Smith retires from 242 00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:53,587 wrestling in the ring and transitions to a management 243 00:10:53,611 --> 00:10:56,632 position behind the scenes, but he would use his power 244 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:59,468 and influence for something much more sinister. 245 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:01,929 You know, I had been around the business for a little while 246 00:11:01,953 --> 00:11:04,098 at that point, and when I first got there and 247 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:06,141 was in the locker room hearing all the other people 248 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:07,935 who had known Grizzly longer, 249 00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:10,896 been around him, talk about him, 250 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,982 the wrestlers always had a way of, 251 00:11:13,006 --> 00:11:16,235 of knocking or talking behind the back of the 252 00:11:16,259 --> 00:11:19,613 authority figure or the "office" personnel. 253 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:21,740 But I'd never heard it like this. 254 00:11:21,764 --> 00:11:24,952 Every joke wherever Grizzly wasn't, 255 00:11:24,976 --> 00:11:27,621 every single little statement had something to do with, 256 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:30,249 "I wonder if Grizzly's mentoring the young girls," 257 00:11:30,273 --> 00:11:32,084 or, "he's probably got one of them on his lap 258 00:11:32,108 --> 00:11:34,128 reading her Bible verses." 259 00:11:34,152 --> 00:11:36,672 And they would laugh and they thought that was funny. 260 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:38,132 I'm like, that... 261 00:11:38,156 --> 00:11:39,550 kind of strange. 262 00:11:39,574 --> 00:11:44,889 And I had no idea of the back story that the family 263 00:11:44,913 --> 00:11:48,893 had that would come out in years and decades later on. 264 00:11:48,917 --> 00:11:52,771 ♪ 265 00:11:52,795 --> 00:11:54,148 Everybody knew Grizz. 266 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,984 Everybody had good things to say about him. 267 00:11:57,008 --> 00:11:58,986 You wanted to do road trips with him because 268 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:00,738 you wanted to pick his brain about, like, 269 00:12:00,762 --> 00:12:01,947 how could I make myself better? 270 00:12:01,971 --> 00:12:03,949 How do I make more money? 271 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:05,534 My name is Nickla Roberts. 272 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:08,329 I worked in the wrestling profession. 273 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:11,582 Look where Baby Doll is! 274 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:13,626 My dad promoted in Lubbock, Texas. 275 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:15,794 Both of my parents were wrestlers. 276 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:20,299 But how I actually met and got into the Smith family, 277 00:12:20,323 --> 00:12:23,260 I think this was like April of '85. 278 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:25,930 I kind of started talking to Sam a little bit then. 279 00:12:25,954 --> 00:12:30,768 And, July 30th was the very first day that we kissed. 280 00:12:30,792 --> 00:12:34,188 And we got married a year to the day from there. 281 00:12:34,212 --> 00:12:36,398 Baby Doll is the mother of my children. 282 00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:38,883 I love her immensely. I always will. 283 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:46,033 The craziest thing to go along with the whole Grizzly Smith 284 00:12:46,057 --> 00:12:48,410 and, and the weirdness of it was, 285 00:12:48,434 --> 00:12:51,413 to do a road trip with him, we would like all of a sudden 286 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:54,208 be like 50 miles off the road, 287 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:57,294 picking up some 14, 15-year-old girl. 288 00:12:57,318 --> 00:13:00,130 Then she was gonna ride with us for 3 to 4 days. 289 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:02,091 And it was just like... 290 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:06,053 you're gonna put... okay. 291 00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:08,263 And then her parents were like waving on the front yard, 292 00:13:08,287 --> 00:13:11,392 like, "Bye, see you on Tuesday." 293 00:13:11,416 --> 00:13:13,936 It was really weird because it wasn't until 294 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,146 after his death that... 295 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:18,107 you kind of start finding out, you know, 296 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:20,025 the whole whirlwind of the stories and 297 00:13:20,049 --> 00:13:23,821 the whole just horrible stuff that was going on. 298 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:27,658 And, I was there and, and I... 299 00:13:27,682 --> 00:13:28,909 you kind of get that feeling like, 300 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:31,578 okay, something, something's not quite right. 301 00:13:31,602 --> 00:13:33,872 And you look for it. 302 00:13:33,896 --> 00:13:35,791 I was right there and I never saw it. 303 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:38,651 ♪ 304 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:46,677 Before embarking on a career in the ring as 305 00:13:46,701 --> 00:13:50,639 Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Aurelian Smith Jr. endures 306 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,891 a traumatic childhood, which would be 307 00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:56,103 a source of torment for the rest of his life. 308 00:13:56,127 --> 00:13:58,981 Jake was a, a mean son of a bitch 309 00:13:59,005 --> 00:14:02,192 that didn't care about nothing. 310 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:05,654 And there's nothing that's out of bounds with Jake. 311 00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:10,617 Aurelian, completely different cat. 312 00:14:10,641 --> 00:14:13,287 Aurelian hasn't grown... 313 00:14:13,311 --> 00:14:15,706 since he was 12, 13 years old. 314 00:14:15,730 --> 00:14:19,043 I put him away a long time ago. 315 00:14:19,067 --> 00:14:22,921 I had to, 'cause it hurt too much. 316 00:14:22,945 --> 00:14:27,301 I don't think I've been Aurelian in 30 or 40 years. 317 00:14:27,325 --> 00:14:29,762 And I don't know that I ever will be again. 318 00:14:29,786 --> 00:14:34,850 Aurelian feels it and Aurelian remembers. 319 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:39,146 And Aurelian's crippled and can't do nothing about it. 320 00:14:39,170 --> 00:14:41,899 But I am more comfortable with Jake now. 321 00:14:41,923 --> 00:14:43,567 I respect Jake. 322 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,819 I know how dangerous Jake can be. 323 00:14:45,843 --> 00:14:48,697 Jake's okay as long as you've got him handcuffed, you know. 324 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:51,158 You know, really, seriously. 325 00:14:51,182 --> 00:14:55,412 Aurelian though, very scared kid. 326 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:58,165 And again, I don't think I've grown since 327 00:14:58,189 --> 00:15:01,085 I was probably 13. 328 00:15:01,109 --> 00:15:03,444 When most of that stuff started happening. 329 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:12,179 She was 13 when I was born. 330 00:15:12,203 --> 00:15:15,641 My father was a pedophile. 331 00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:19,728 Disgusting pedophile. 332 00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:24,066 Which would haunt me the rest of my life. 333 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:26,860 By the age of 17, then he divorced my mother, 334 00:15:26,884 --> 00:15:29,863 and he left and went on the road, 335 00:15:29,887 --> 00:15:32,491 leaving us all behind. Kids got passed out. 336 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:34,910 My little brother, Richard, he was passed out to 337 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,662 my dad's sister and her husband. 338 00:15:36,686 --> 00:15:38,205 They couldn't have children. 339 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:40,582 My sister Jo Lynn was... 340 00:15:40,606 --> 00:15:42,292 she was tossed everywhere. 341 00:15:42,316 --> 00:15:43,961 She spent too much time with my dad, 342 00:15:43,985 --> 00:15:46,171 if you know what I mean. 343 00:15:46,195 --> 00:15:48,882 My mother was blind to a lot of this. 344 00:15:48,906 --> 00:15:51,135 I had a great mother, wonderful mother. 345 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:53,637 Loving mother. 346 00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:56,932 After his parents split up, Jake lives an idyllic life 347 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,726 with his grandmother until she passes away when he is 348 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:03,981 11 years old, forcing him to move back in with his father 349 00:16:04,005 --> 00:16:06,441 and his new wife, Marsha. 350 00:16:06,465 --> 00:16:08,902 I thought it was gonna be the greatest thing ever, man. 351 00:16:08,926 --> 00:16:13,323 This is gonna be so cool. 352 00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:17,578 Well... it wasn't cool. 353 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:19,955 He was forced to take me home with him. 354 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:22,416 Shortly after I moved in with him, 355 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,544 his wife started playing games. 356 00:16:25,568 --> 00:16:28,589 Sometimes games that weren't so funny. 357 00:16:28,613 --> 00:16:30,299 Sexual games. 358 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:31,842 I went... 359 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:34,928 to my dad and told on her one time. 360 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:37,514 And... 361 00:16:37,538 --> 00:16:40,267 she stopped me right in the middle of it, 362 00:16:40,291 --> 00:16:42,477 said, "I'll tend to you later." 363 00:16:42,501 --> 00:16:43,979 And she went in, talked to my dad, 364 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:45,647 next thing I know, she beat me with 365 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:49,151 a damn clothes hanger and fly swatter. 366 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:50,986 It's one thing to have sex, but it's another thing 367 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,780 to get beaten for doing it. Freaked me out. 368 00:16:53,804 --> 00:16:56,783 Little did I know, my father was aware of all that 369 00:16:56,807 --> 00:17:00,871 'cause he was doing the same thing to my sisters. 370 00:17:00,895 --> 00:17:01,872 (cheering) 371 00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:05,375 First, I want to say this, is that my intention 372 00:17:05,399 --> 00:17:08,712 is not to destroy a legacy that was, 373 00:17:08,736 --> 00:17:11,506 you know, my dad was great at what he did. 374 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:13,675 He could be a hero. 375 00:17:13,699 --> 00:17:17,304 But, to me, he was my monster. 376 00:17:17,328 --> 00:17:20,474 ♪ 377 00:17:20,498 --> 00:17:24,394 I guess, just going back to when it all started, 378 00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:27,564 I was probably 8 or 9 years old. 379 00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:32,569 And, the, the wild thing about it was, 380 00:17:32,593 --> 00:17:37,783 was that I remember about a month before 381 00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:41,703 the first thing ever happened, he... 382 00:17:41,727 --> 00:17:43,914 he, basically, was working me. 383 00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:46,500 And this is part of the manipulation that, 384 00:17:46,524 --> 00:17:50,420 that I think people... 385 00:17:50,444 --> 00:17:54,967 people do to kind of groom you and, you know, 386 00:17:54,991 --> 00:17:57,594 get you where they want you, basically. 387 00:17:57,618 --> 00:17:59,846 So, for about a month or so before the first thing 388 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:02,224 ever happened, he was walking around, 389 00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:03,975 completely ignoring me. 390 00:18:03,999 --> 00:18:06,144 He couldn't stand to be in the same room. 391 00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:08,647 You know, as an 8-year-old kid, I mean, 392 00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:10,774 you think, what in the world have I done? 393 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:13,860 All you want is the love of your parents, right? 394 00:18:13,884 --> 00:18:16,863 Then one day, my, my mother was gone, 395 00:18:16,887 --> 00:18:18,699 and he, he worked during the day. 396 00:18:18,723 --> 00:18:22,160 He was home working in the office in the back and, 397 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:25,038 so he called me in the back, and just to, 398 00:18:25,062 --> 00:18:27,165 just to say, "Well, you know, 399 00:18:27,189 --> 00:18:29,167 you know daddy loves you," and... 400 00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:32,546 and, I mean, I was so relieved that, you know, 401 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:34,589 oh, he does love me. 402 00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:37,676 He doesn't hate me and that turned into the 403 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,095 first time he put his hands on me. 404 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,681 So... (clears throat) 405 00:18:42,705 --> 00:18:47,769 Ah, you come out of that real confused and real... 406 00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:51,898 you know, had no idea how to process that. 407 00:18:51,922 --> 00:18:53,525 I mean, you just don't. 408 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:58,363 I think that very day it strips you of your security. 409 00:18:58,387 --> 00:19:00,907 It strips you of your self-worth, 410 00:19:00,931 --> 00:19:03,577 self-respect, innocence. 411 00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:05,620 It strips you of all the things that, 412 00:19:05,644 --> 00:19:09,774 that make you a child. It really does. 413 00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:18,633 I think from when I was about 8 until about 14. 414 00:19:18,657 --> 00:19:20,385 I told my mother about it and 415 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:22,804 she gathered up everything and we left. 416 00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:27,017 At about 15, I actually remember telling him that 417 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:30,062 if he ever did anything again that I would shoot him 418 00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:31,521 with his own gun. 419 00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:32,745 'Cause I knew where they were. 420 00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:42,949 All I can tell you is that my mother was 421 00:19:42,973 --> 00:19:45,827 not the kind of person that 422 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,497 would have tried to be inappropriate. 423 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:50,665 If something happened with my mother, 424 00:19:50,689 --> 00:19:53,794 I tend to think that my dad probably asked her to 425 00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:57,422 do some things that she never would have done, 426 00:19:57,446 --> 00:20:00,550 just for his own whatever pleasure. 427 00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:05,222 She was what, 16 - if - whenever they got married. 428 00:20:05,246 --> 00:20:08,100 So, I mean, she was very, very young. 429 00:20:08,124 --> 00:20:11,395 When Robin is 15 years old, her half-sister, 430 00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:14,022 Jo Lynn, Grizzly's other daughter, 431 00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:16,400 pays her an unexpected visit. 432 00:20:16,424 --> 00:20:18,151 She came, she picked me up and, 433 00:20:18,175 --> 00:20:20,278 we went out, we went shopping. 434 00:20:20,302 --> 00:20:23,407 And it, to me, it seemed like there was just, 435 00:20:23,431 --> 00:20:26,159 there was something that she was wanting to tell me 436 00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:28,787 or talk to me about, or ask me, or... 437 00:20:28,811 --> 00:20:31,706 She was just asking quite a few questions. 438 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:34,251 Her main thing was, do I feel safe? 439 00:20:34,275 --> 00:20:36,336 Do I feel comfortable? 440 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:40,006 I think she wanted to know if, 441 00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:43,009 if I had gone through the same thing because there was 442 00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:46,763 no doubt in my mind that the same thing happened to her. 443 00:20:46,787 --> 00:20:49,141 I don't doubt it, to this day. 444 00:20:49,165 --> 00:20:52,561 It just seemed like there was an awful lot on her mind. 445 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:54,521 And then, it was about 2 weeks later 446 00:20:54,545 --> 00:20:56,690 when she was kidnapped. 447 00:20:56,714 --> 00:20:59,133 ♪ 448 00:21:04,472 --> 00:21:08,827 ♪ 449 00:21:08,851 --> 00:21:12,914 Richard and Mike and I were at a roller-skating rink. 450 00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:15,041 We had gone over there, gone skating. 451 00:21:15,065 --> 00:21:18,253 And, they came over the intercom and said, 452 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:20,922 "Robin, Mike, Richard, the Smith family." 453 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:22,924 We got a phone call. 454 00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:24,092 It was dad, and he told me, he said, 455 00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:26,720 "You need to get home. Get home immediately." 456 00:21:26,744 --> 00:21:28,388 [Robin] So, we got home. 457 00:21:28,412 --> 00:21:31,516 Dad left a note in the house that said 458 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:34,686 Jo Lynn had been kidnapped. 459 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:37,063 I thought it was kind of crazy at first because I was like, 460 00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:38,690 how does he know she's been kidnapped? 461 00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:40,233 Was there a ransom or... 462 00:21:40,257 --> 00:21:41,610 what was going on? 463 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,362 Richard put his hand through the wall. 464 00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:47,657 I busted. And I totally lost it. 465 00:21:47,681 --> 00:21:50,410 They were very close, Richard and Jo Lynn. 466 00:21:50,434 --> 00:21:52,412 Closer than any of us. 467 00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:53,830 Somebody has hurt my sister. 468 00:21:53,854 --> 00:21:56,249 I need to find out what my next step is. 469 00:21:56,273 --> 00:21:58,043 I couldn't understand why somebody'd want to kidnap 470 00:21:58,067 --> 00:22:00,962 somebody that was so sweet. She never hurt nobody. 471 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:02,672 She had no intentions of hurting nobody. 472 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:05,050 She just wanted to live a happy, free life. 473 00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:06,760 And she was finally happy. 474 00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:09,638 She had a kid, that mission was accomplished. 475 00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:11,890 It was a quiet, peaceful trailer park she was living in. 476 00:22:11,914 --> 00:22:15,644 She finally had it going on, and then this. 477 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:18,230 When you talk about murder, kidnapping, 478 00:22:18,254 --> 00:22:20,273 armed robbery, something like that, 479 00:22:20,297 --> 00:22:21,816 no, we, we just didn't have that. 480 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,402 That just wasn't in Tatum, Texas. 481 00:22:24,426 --> 00:22:26,488 My name's Carl Gage. My nickname's Buzz. 482 00:22:26,512 --> 00:22:28,073 I've been Buzz all my life. 483 00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:31,076 I'm 69 years old and in 1979, 484 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:35,413 I was 28 and I was Chief of Police at Tatum, Texas. 485 00:22:35,437 --> 00:22:37,374 As I remember, just on routine patrol 486 00:22:37,398 --> 00:22:40,043 one particular morning and, the manager from the 487 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:42,212 Cherry Hill mobile home park flagged me down. 488 00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:43,588 I knew him, and he said, 489 00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:45,715 "I had a kidnapping out here at the trailer park." 490 00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:49,594 Jo Lynn was there with little Ted, her baby. 491 00:22:49,618 --> 00:22:53,265 They grabbed her and pulled her out and 492 00:22:53,289 --> 00:22:56,643 threw her in this car, and took off. 493 00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:59,437 Jo Lynn was 5'10, probably weighed 200. 494 00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:02,190 You ain't gonna take her down by yourself. 495 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:05,193 Me and her used to wrestle, and she's tough. 496 00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:09,197 So, there ain't no way one person loaded her in that car. 497 00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:11,074 Went right to it pretty quick and got out there and, 498 00:23:11,098 --> 00:23:12,993 the door's open. 499 00:23:13,017 --> 00:23:14,494 Of course, we hear something in the house. 500 00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:15,745 - SFX: (baby crying) - And I go... 501 00:23:15,769 --> 00:23:16,913 "What's that?" He said, "Well, 502 00:23:16,937 --> 00:23:18,748 her baby's in there." 503 00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:21,126 The baby's fine, wasn't no problem. 504 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:22,877 Then the husband got there. 505 00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:26,256 We got in and I noticed some letters on the little table 506 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,092 there by the door and I said, "What are these? 507 00:23:29,116 --> 00:23:30,552 They're addressed to your wife." 508 00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:32,220 He said, "That's my ex-wife. 509 00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:35,724 She would send threatening letters to her." 510 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:37,809 With the menacing letters as evidence, 511 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:40,270 authority's number one suspect becomes 512 00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:44,774 Faelyn Rogers, the ex-wife of Jo Lynn's husband. 513 00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:47,986 Investigators discover incriminating evidence in 514 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,947 Faelyn's car, and she eventually confesses 515 00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:54,075 to the kidnapping, but she claims Jo Lynn escaped 516 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:56,369 shortly after the abduction. 517 00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:57,996 Searching, oh, lord have mercy, 518 00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:59,706 we had search parties out. 519 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:01,958 We had helicopters, we had horses, 520 00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:04,628 we had motorcycles, we had people on foot. 521 00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:08,214 I had a psychic call me. She came down. 522 00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:10,133 "I think I can help you out. 523 00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:13,553 I think I'm getting messages from Jo Lynn." 524 00:24:13,577 --> 00:24:16,931 She was given a personal possession of Jo Lynn's. 525 00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:20,977 She was saying, "It's just, it's dark. 526 00:24:21,001 --> 00:24:23,188 Maybe like a well or something." 527 00:24:23,212 --> 00:24:25,398 Let's starts looking for abandoned wells. 528 00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:27,484 And we got information on a couple of 'em that had been 529 00:24:27,508 --> 00:24:29,402 covered or filled in so, we went out, 530 00:24:29,426 --> 00:24:33,740 we checked them. We never found a body. 531 00:24:33,764 --> 00:24:36,409 Jo Lynn's body is never recovered, 532 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:38,912 making a murder charge impossible. 533 00:24:38,936 --> 00:24:41,498 Faelyn is brought to court indicted on the lesser 534 00:24:41,522 --> 00:24:46,044 charge of kidnapping and the Smith family is devastated. 535 00:24:46,068 --> 00:24:47,879 I think that's probably the first time my father 536 00:24:47,903 --> 00:24:49,673 ever missed a wrestling match, 537 00:24:49,697 --> 00:24:51,549 was when my sister was kidnapped. 538 00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:55,512 He went to the trial. I didn't go to the trial. 539 00:24:55,536 --> 00:24:59,516 I was medicating myself, trying to pass out every day. 540 00:24:59,540 --> 00:25:02,852 The only information we got was through dad because 541 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:05,397 we weren't allowed to go to court, 542 00:25:05,421 --> 00:25:07,607 and he just said, "No, you're not going to court." 543 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,567 And that was that. 544 00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:12,362 It's amazing that the evidence was overwhelming, 545 00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:16,616 but without the body and without somebody to say, 546 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,953 "I saw her kill her"... 547 00:25:19,977 --> 00:25:22,122 She got convicted of aggravated kidnapping, 548 00:25:22,146 --> 00:25:24,749 got 30 years. I think she served 7. 549 00:25:24,773 --> 00:25:27,210 Dad used to carry a piano string in his hand. 550 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:29,087 You'd take a piano string and two pieces of wood and 551 00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:30,213 hold it in your hand. 552 00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:31,923 He was hoping to get close enough to her, 553 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:34,342 supposedly, is what I been told, 554 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,720 he was wanting to get close enough to her to where 555 00:25:36,744 --> 00:25:39,472 he could be able to do that, and it would kill her. 556 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:42,016 I was told that it was 4 sheriffs in front, 557 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,019 in back, and on the sides because dad was so large. 558 00:25:45,043 --> 00:25:46,855 And they knew with a man that large, 559 00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:52,777 once he was mad, it was gonna be hell to pay. 560 00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:54,779 Well, they say murder's hard to prove. 561 00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:56,781 How can you prove murder? Go back to the story. 562 00:25:56,805 --> 00:26:00,785 She works at a place that has an incinerator. 563 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:03,163 I believe that that's where they took her. 564 00:26:03,187 --> 00:26:04,914 Whether she was conscious, unconscious, 565 00:26:04,938 --> 00:26:06,082 or even dead. 566 00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:08,168 I think she found her way to the incinerator. 567 00:26:08,192 --> 00:26:12,589 And there's no evidence, it's all gone. 568 00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:14,382 [Robin] I just started thinking that, 569 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:16,551 who would have the most to lose here? 570 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:19,721 What's the reason to get rid of her? 571 00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:21,723 I thought, well, I mean, really 572 00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:24,517 somebody who's got a lot to lose would be dad. 573 00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:26,811 If she was gonna expose him, you know, 574 00:26:26,835 --> 00:26:28,855 with the young girls and, you know, 575 00:26:28,879 --> 00:26:30,899 it would cost him his, his career and, 576 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:33,485 so yeah, I kind of question that. 577 00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:36,738 Richard really wanted to go to Unsolved Mysteries and 578 00:26:36,762 --> 00:26:39,157 dad actually told him he didn't want him to. 579 00:26:39,181 --> 00:26:41,117 We're going, "Why in the world wouldn't you want that? 580 00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:44,329 They solve, they actually solve murders." 581 00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:45,830 Dad was against it. 582 00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:49,459 So, you know, that throws in more suspicion there. 583 00:26:49,483 --> 00:26:50,794 [Richard] Yeah, there's a wild thought. 584 00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:52,253 Did dad have something to do with it? 585 00:26:52,277 --> 00:26:54,631 Was he involved? I don't know. 586 00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:56,424 You could bring up a thousand questions 587 00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:58,009 on the whole ordeal. 588 00:26:58,033 --> 00:26:59,636 I wish I could say, "Man, I walked in there, 589 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:02,305 I seen my dad, he was just bawling his eyes out. 590 00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:04,349 It tore him to shreds." 591 00:27:04,373 --> 00:27:05,600 I never saw it. 592 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,918 ♪ 593 00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:15,235 Although a conviction is made for the kidnapping of 594 00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:18,321 Jo Lynn Smith, Jake "The Snake" Roberts and 595 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:20,448 his siblings struggle to cope with the 596 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:22,516 tragic loss of their sister. 597 00:27:31,108 --> 00:27:33,461 Oh, yeah, the hate. 598 00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:36,256 I, I use the hate a lot, man. 599 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,633 Thank you, dad. (spits) 600 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,927 The whole Snake character was made because 601 00:27:40,951 --> 00:27:43,471 I didn't want people looking at me. 602 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:45,390 Look at the snake bag, don't look at me. 603 00:27:45,414 --> 00:27:47,851 Don't ask me questions, look at the snake bag. 604 00:27:47,875 --> 00:27:50,228 And everybody fears that, everybody knows that. 605 00:27:50,252 --> 00:27:52,063 Kids loved it because mom and dad went, 606 00:27:52,087 --> 00:27:53,314 "Oh, my god, a snake!" 607 00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:55,316 And they loved seeing mom and dad do that, 608 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:59,612 you know, so, therefore, they loved Jake "The Snake". 609 00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:02,198 Crazy people. 610 00:28:02,222 --> 00:28:05,535 As Jake's stardom continues to reach new heights, 611 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:07,662 Robin seizes the opportunity 612 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:09,789 to pursue a career in wrestling. 613 00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:14,836 I went to North Carolina and trained with Nelson Royal who... 614 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,130 was a fabulous wrestler and... 615 00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:18,840 a legend. 616 00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:22,010 And Nelson trained her like one of the guys. 617 00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:24,846 Wow, okay. 618 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:26,556 I wanted to change things. 619 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:31,477 I wanted the girls' matches to be just as exciting, 620 00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:33,771 you know, if they could, as the guys'. 621 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:35,148 I mean, why not? 622 00:28:35,172 --> 00:28:37,191 When Robin completes her training, 623 00:28:37,215 --> 00:28:39,611 she uses her father's connections to show off 624 00:28:39,635 --> 00:28:43,781 her skills at a WWF TV taping, and she catches 625 00:28:43,805 --> 00:28:47,452 the attention of top promoter, Vince McMahon. 626 00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:49,996 So, they put me on a dark match with Sherri. 627 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:51,456 I couldn't tell you how long it lasted. 628 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,082 I mean, it was, it's a complete, 629 00:28:53,106 --> 00:28:54,751 total blur, to this day. 630 00:28:54,775 --> 00:28:57,629 I have no idea what happened. 631 00:28:57,653 --> 00:28:59,756 All I know is that when I got out, 632 00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:02,175 Mr. McMahon had said, "Oh, my, my god, 633 00:29:02,199 --> 00:29:04,010 she throws a punch like a guy." 634 00:29:04,034 --> 00:29:06,471 And, I was like, cool, alright. 635 00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:08,097 And then, the next thing I know, 636 00:29:08,121 --> 00:29:11,392 I get the package in the mail at my house that is 637 00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:14,103 airline tickets and schedule and all that, 638 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:15,897 and I was like, wow. 639 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:18,650 You know, it was a, it was a total surprise. 640 00:29:18,674 --> 00:29:20,068 ...don't count your chickens before they... 641 00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:22,362 there's a bulldog off the top rope! 642 00:29:22,386 --> 00:29:25,573 A bulldog! Turns her over! 643 00:29:25,597 --> 00:29:28,284 - She got her! - No, I don't believe it! 644 00:29:28,308 --> 00:29:29,911 (cheering) 645 00:29:29,935 --> 00:29:32,914 History has been made, here in Paris, France! 646 00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:35,792 At the time, they had Grizz, Sam, 647 00:29:35,816 --> 00:29:38,252 Robin, and Jake were all working 648 00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:41,381 for the WWE at the time. 649 00:29:41,405 --> 00:29:44,634 In wrestling, the best compliment that 650 00:29:44,658 --> 00:29:46,719 you can be given is that somebody would say, 651 00:29:46,743 --> 00:29:49,389 "You're a hell of a hand." You're a good worker. 652 00:29:49,413 --> 00:29:53,726 That means that you can not only perform pro wrestling 653 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,603 at a high level, but you can do it 654 00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:57,188 without hurting your opponent. 655 00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,482 And, Sam Houston was the best worker in the family. 656 00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:00,650 He was the lightest. 657 00:30:00,674 --> 00:30:03,444 He was actually too light, he was painfully thin. 658 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,155 And that was what held him back from being used 659 00:30:06,179 --> 00:30:08,241 in a more prominent position. 660 00:30:08,265 --> 00:30:10,159 Especially in the bigger territories, 661 00:30:10,183 --> 00:30:13,871 Crocket Promotions, the NWA... 662 00:30:13,895 --> 00:30:15,456 [Commentary] Poor Sam Houston. 663 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,874 Unfortunately, Mike was like 664 00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:18,751 a lot of the other wrestlers. 665 00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:20,461 He got to making good money and stuff, 666 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,255 was doing good, and then... 667 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:23,697 went to drinking. 668 00:30:27,576 --> 00:30:30,847 (sighs) Um... 669 00:30:30,871 --> 00:30:33,307 listen... whenever he told my dad that we were 670 00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:38,646 getting married, he had 32 Crown and Cokes. 671 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,398 32. 672 00:30:40,422 --> 00:30:42,942 It was amazing how much he could drink and 673 00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,593 still be able to walk. 674 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,616 At the time, I thought I would love him enough that 675 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,368 it would get better and it wouldn't matter and 676 00:30:52,392 --> 00:30:54,662 that my love could conquer all, and... 677 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:56,539 it didn't. 678 00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:58,499 I just realized that it wasn't me. 679 00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,752 There was nothing I could have done. 680 00:31:00,776 --> 00:31:02,754 Addictive personality must run through 681 00:31:02,778 --> 00:31:06,215 our entire family. I mean, seriously. 682 00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:10,428 Because they're very strong addictions. 683 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:14,140 You have to find ways to put that 684 00:31:14,164 --> 00:31:19,687 self-respect back into yourself. 685 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:22,023 After years of living on her own, 686 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:25,693 Robin gets a surprise visit from her father, Grizzly. 687 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:29,030 The bell rings and, I go to open it up and 688 00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:30,823 I see him standing there. 689 00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:34,285 And, right by his side, this little girl, 690 00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:36,454 about 9 years old. 691 00:31:36,478 --> 00:31:38,539 ♪ 692 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:40,958 I could tell you, the colour, everything 693 00:31:40,982 --> 00:31:44,712 just drained from my body and 694 00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:48,132 I knew for sure this girl was in trouble. 695 00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:51,928 So, he comes in and the first thing he says, 696 00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:54,263 "Can you make her a daiquiri? 697 00:31:54,287 --> 00:31:56,057 Do you have the stuff to make her a daiquiri? 698 00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:57,767 She wants to try daiquiris." 699 00:31:57,791 --> 00:32:00,520 It took everything just not to absolutely 700 00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:03,272 come apart and come unglued. 701 00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:05,650 And, I said, "No, I don't." 702 00:32:05,674 --> 00:32:09,320 Shortly after, he went to the back and he went to bed. 703 00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:10,905 I stayed up with her all night. 704 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:12,198 We never went to sleep. 705 00:32:12,222 --> 00:32:14,283 And, I wanted to ask questions and 706 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:16,869 I knew what questions to ask. I said, you know, 707 00:32:16,893 --> 00:32:19,580 "Sometimes, does he pull off to the side of the road and 708 00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:22,542 want to give you a kiss?" And she said, "Yeah." 709 00:32:22,566 --> 00:32:25,169 It didn't scare her, but, I mean, 710 00:32:25,193 --> 00:32:28,506 she was like, "But yeah, it makes me uncomfortable." 711 00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:31,217 He got up the next morning, got all his things together 712 00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:33,553 and said, "Come on, we gotta go," and I said, 713 00:32:33,577 --> 00:32:36,597 "You're gonna go, but she's not going anywhere. 714 00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:38,391 She's staying right here." 715 00:32:38,415 --> 00:32:41,477 I was not letting this girl go anywhere. 716 00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:44,438 I think that told him everything he needed to know 717 00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:46,023 about how I felt. 718 00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:48,925 ♪ 719 00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:56,868 Reeling from the traumas endured in their adolescence, 720 00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:58,161 Jake, Robin, and Sam 721 00:32:58,185 --> 00:33:01,080 each battle addiction into adulthood. 722 00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:03,583 But for Sam, the consequences become 723 00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:05,918 a matter of life or death. 724 00:33:05,942 --> 00:33:08,212 Sam Houston had the all-time Texas state record 725 00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:11,257 for most DUI offenses. 726 00:33:11,281 --> 00:33:15,511 And, the reason why that he was not jailed for them long 727 00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:18,347 before that he was, was because Grizzly Smith had 728 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:21,601 been such a big name and such an important person, 729 00:33:21,625 --> 00:33:25,021 and knew so many people in the state of Texas over all 730 00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:26,898 those years and etcetera, that he was able to 731 00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:28,024 get him out of it. 732 00:33:28,048 --> 00:33:30,818 He never spent more than a day or two in jail before. 733 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:32,111 Grizz was right there and got him out 734 00:33:32,135 --> 00:33:33,654 'cause he knew somebody. 735 00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:35,656 And Grizz just knew everybody, 736 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,016 and I think he knew something about everybody. 737 00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:47,251 I really don't know 'cause, I mean, 738 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:50,213 everything I was ever charged with was only first, 739 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:53,674 or first offense, or I think... And I got a second offense. 740 00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:56,802 It was basically always a fine that I'd have to pay and, 741 00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:58,846 you know, community service. 742 00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:01,349 Any time I was doing any, anything like that, 743 00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:02,725 any kind of community service, 744 00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:04,227 I always gave it my all. 745 00:34:04,251 --> 00:34:09,232 I washed 7 firetrucks one day for the parade, you know. 746 00:34:09,256 --> 00:34:12,360 After years of shocking repeat offenses and 747 00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:16,072 lenient punishments, Sam's luck has run out. 748 00:34:16,096 --> 00:34:18,908 Grizzly is unable to come to his rescue, 749 00:34:18,932 --> 00:34:22,203 and Sam is ultimately sent to prison. 750 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,498 If they caught you doing something 20-somthing times, 751 00:34:25,522 --> 00:34:29,585 how many times have you really done it? Right? 752 00:34:29,609 --> 00:34:31,462 The Mothers Against Drunk Driving had gotten 753 00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:34,799 his record, and had seen, like, all the judges and 754 00:34:34,823 --> 00:34:38,427 all the magistrates that had gotten Sam off. 755 00:34:38,451 --> 00:34:41,389 Finally, he did have to go to jail. 756 00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:43,683 They're telling me 30 years. 757 00:34:43,707 --> 00:34:46,686 I, I was at the end of my rope. 758 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,939 So, two days, January the 12th, 759 00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:52,608 two days, a Saturday night... 760 00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:56,404 I knew I had to break my neck when I jumped. 761 00:34:56,428 --> 00:35:00,366 I said, "God, only you can stop this." 762 00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:03,828 And... and I jumped. 763 00:35:03,852 --> 00:35:07,748 I'm gonna tell y'all, I hit the ground with such force. 764 00:35:07,772 --> 00:35:13,087 The soles of my feet were bruised for weeks. 765 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,591 I know how to tie a knot. These knots broke. 766 00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:21,095 Meanwhile, Jake spirals deeper into new depths of 767 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,098 drug and alcohol fueled addictions. 768 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:25,433 I'm not gonna sugar coat this. 769 00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:27,143 A lot of people in professional wrestling, 770 00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:28,894 just like a lot of people in professional sports, 771 00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:30,313 a lot of people in rock 'n roll, 772 00:35:30,337 --> 00:35:32,481 have had bad personal habits. 773 00:35:32,505 --> 00:35:37,111 Having said that, Jake's were stunning. 774 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:38,863 The one guy that you would think, 775 00:35:38,887 --> 00:35:40,573 this guy's not gonna make it, 776 00:35:40,597 --> 00:35:43,951 and somehow, he always did, and still has, 777 00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:46,454 he was like the Keith Richards of pro wrestling. 778 00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:48,914 The most important thing in my life 779 00:35:48,938 --> 00:35:50,750 for 20 years was cocaine. 780 00:35:50,774 --> 00:35:52,710 Above all things. 781 00:35:52,734 --> 00:35:56,422 Above sex, above money, above children, 782 00:35:56,446 --> 00:35:59,842 above wives, above mama, above everything. 783 00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:03,679 Cocaine had to be number one. 784 00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:06,265 That is really messed up. 785 00:36:06,289 --> 00:36:07,850 I will tell you this. 786 00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:10,519 Being in the limelight gets you things that 787 00:36:10,543 --> 00:36:14,148 you think you want or you need. Because when you do drugs, 788 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:17,360 your idea of a good time changes, brother, 789 00:36:17,384 --> 00:36:19,320 and you get kind of freaky. 790 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:20,946 ♪ 791 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:23,240 You know, at first it was one girl. 792 00:36:23,264 --> 00:36:25,993 Then it was two girls, and then it was three girls 793 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:28,871 doing this with a rabbit and a dog and donkey and clown. 794 00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:30,373 (laughs) Having fun. 795 00:36:30,397 --> 00:36:32,333 Sitting on the back of a chair with a lamp on my head. 796 00:36:32,357 --> 00:36:35,753 Yeah, it gets stupid. 797 00:36:35,777 --> 00:36:39,256 I guess one of the biggest lows in Jake's career was 798 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,300 the Heroes of Wrestling Pay Per View. 799 00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:46,931 And, this is story number 747,000 of Jake Roberts 800 00:36:46,955 --> 00:36:49,725 showing up in no condition to perform or actually to 801 00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:51,811 function as a human being. 802 00:36:51,835 --> 00:36:54,647 A lot of the guys that night put in bad performances just 803 00:36:54,671 --> 00:36:56,565 because they were out of shape our past their prime, 804 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:58,567 but with Jake, he was legitimately 805 00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:00,736 on planet Neptune. 806 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,447 Everybody knew that Jake was not right. 807 00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:07,201 And, he had a snake, which became a phallic symbol. 808 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,621 And, it was a 10-year period or more there 809 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:13,207 where that more often than not, 810 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,376 if Jake Roberts made a public appearance, 811 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,378 you would hear about Jake Roberts 812 00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:20,131 doing something he shouldn't do in public. 813 00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:23,867 I'm a junkie. I'm a liar, I'm a thief. 814 00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:27,763 (exhales sharply) 815 00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:30,057 Do you know how much self-hate is involved 816 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:31,725 in admitting that? 817 00:37:31,749 --> 00:37:33,602 How I had to look at myself in the mirror? 818 00:37:33,626 --> 00:37:37,565 I took all the mirrors down. The ones I didn't, I broke. 819 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:40,568 Within years of the WWF phasing out their 820 00:37:40,592 --> 00:37:44,238 women's division, Robin ends her career as a wrestler and 821 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:48,409 eventually hits her own rock bottom with alcohol abuse. 822 00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:50,202 Drinking was never a problem. 823 00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:53,622 I did it really, really well. 824 00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,499 I was better than just about anybody at it. 825 00:37:55,523 --> 00:37:58,169 It wasn't necessarily because of... 826 00:37:58,193 --> 00:38:02,047 of... not working as much. 827 00:38:02,071 --> 00:38:04,800 I think that had more to do with from, 828 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:09,013 from my childhood. 829 00:38:09,037 --> 00:38:13,225 You know, unfortunately, the result of that is addiction 830 00:38:13,249 --> 00:38:16,103 and, even with that, I realized that 831 00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:17,646 it wasn't getting me anywhere. 832 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:21,901 And, you know, my father ruined my childhood and so, 833 00:38:21,925 --> 00:38:24,445 I'll be damned if he ruins the rest of my life. 834 00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:27,472 ♪ 835 00:38:33,102 --> 00:38:36,790 On June 12, 2010, Grizzly Smith dies from 836 00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:39,752 complications due to Alzheimer's disease. 837 00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:42,213 He was 77 years old. 838 00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:44,089 His biological son, Richard, 839 00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:45,883 who was given up for adoption, 840 00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:49,136 would be Grizzly's sole caretaker until the end. 841 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,475 ♪ 842 00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:56,101 I, ah... 843 00:38:56,125 --> 00:38:58,378 I got there as quick as I could. 844 00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:03,150 Dad had passed. 845 00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:04,860 He... 846 00:39:04,884 --> 00:39:11,534 ♪ 847 00:39:11,558 --> 00:39:13,786 He had just passed. 848 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:17,248 ♪ 849 00:39:17,272 --> 00:39:19,166 He died while I was in prison. 850 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,626 I'm in the worst place in the world, 851 00:39:20,650 --> 00:39:24,296 I just got the most devastating news in the world. 852 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,673 Well, he's got a... 853 00:39:25,697 --> 00:39:27,216 he's got a lot of good qualities. 854 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:33,347 And, he was born out of love and I still love him. 855 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:36,308 I thought that with him passing I wouldn't 856 00:39:36,332 --> 00:39:38,686 have to think of some things anymore. 857 00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:42,523 ♪ 858 00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:44,841 But memories don't go away that easily. 859 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,994 No, no. Hell, no. 860 00:39:55,018 --> 00:39:57,079 I don't think he thought, no. 861 00:39:57,103 --> 00:39:59,248 I don't think he thought he did anything wrong. 862 00:39:59,272 --> 00:40:02,751 You know, there was never any kind of serious 863 00:40:02,775 --> 00:40:08,257 conversation, apologies, anything like that. 864 00:40:08,281 --> 00:40:11,367 I think he thought everything was just, just fine. 865 00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:19,643 A few years ago, we finally did. 866 00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,604 I, I can't imagine. 867 00:40:21,628 --> 00:40:24,106 I can't imagine how devastating that would, 868 00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:25,774 could be to somebody. 869 00:40:25,798 --> 00:40:27,484 You know, and, and Robin, I guess, 870 00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:30,279 like my mom, you know, they knew as a child 871 00:40:30,303 --> 00:40:33,449 growing up that my father was Superman to me. 872 00:40:33,473 --> 00:40:36,535 And, they wouldn't do anything to tarnish him 873 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:38,829 because they care for me so much. 874 00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:40,998 Sam idolized his dad. 875 00:40:41,022 --> 00:40:43,208 He probably would have forgiven his dad for it 876 00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:44,817 rather than helped his sister. 877 00:40:48,237 --> 00:40:51,842 He could make Sam believe that it was Robin's fault. 878 00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:55,137 Or he could make Sam believe that it was Jake's fault. 879 00:40:55,161 --> 00:40:59,308 It wasn't Grizz's fault, it was somebody else's fault. 880 00:40:59,332 --> 00:41:01,769 I don't blame anybody at all 881 00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:05,022 for the lack of being together. 882 00:41:05,046 --> 00:41:08,275 That was all done early on by dad. 883 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,153 So, I mean, it, it's... Nobody dropped the ball. 884 00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:12,988 It's not anybody's fault. 885 00:41:13,012 --> 00:41:14,948 It just, it was how it was. 886 00:41:14,972 --> 00:41:18,661 ♪ 887 00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:20,704 That's me and dad. 888 00:41:20,728 --> 00:41:23,707 I was probably 10. 889 00:41:23,731 --> 00:41:26,960 He never apologized for giving me up for adoption. 890 00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:29,213 And I never asked for it. 891 00:41:29,237 --> 00:41:31,965 I have no complaints. I mean, how can I complain? 892 00:41:31,989 --> 00:41:33,300 I'm the lucky one out of the bunch, 893 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,178 is the way I consider it. 894 00:41:36,202 --> 00:41:39,264 With Grizzly's death, his children finally feel 895 00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:41,975 safe enough to open up about their experiences 896 00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:43,519 from childhood, 897 00:41:43,543 --> 00:41:46,689 but their estrangement still exists today. 898 00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:49,608 I think there's a certain amount of hope that 899 00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:51,610 Robin and I could be friends. 900 00:41:51,634 --> 00:41:55,572 I respect her and I love her very much. 901 00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:59,243 And it'd be nice to have a sister. 902 00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:02,371 Yeah, I'd love to be close with everybody, you know. 903 00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:03,872 I understand though that, you know, 904 00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:06,542 we've all got like different paths. 905 00:42:06,566 --> 00:42:09,503 Do I wish I could have spent more time with my siblings? 906 00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:11,880 Yeah, it sounds good, yeah. 907 00:42:11,904 --> 00:42:13,340 I'd like to try. 908 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:14,925 And after this, I mean, there's a lot of thoughts 909 00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:19,054 going through my mind right now. It's... 910 00:42:19,078 --> 00:42:21,640 maybe I gotta figure out how to do that. 911 00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:23,934 Bridging out across. 912 00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:27,020 You know, I think this is opening some communication. 913 00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:29,773 It might have a little to do with bringing us 914 00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:32,067 a little bit closer in. 915 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:34,528 I guess this is why I agreed to go ahead and 916 00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:38,323 talk about it was that, I want people to really know, 917 00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:40,617 it's very, very tough and I would never say 918 00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:42,661 it's easy to get past it. 919 00:42:42,685 --> 00:42:45,038 I don't know that you ever do get past it. 920 00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:47,916 But, you don't have to stay in it. 921 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:52,045 You can be successful, you can overcome it. 922 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:53,839 And for God sakes, if it's something 923 00:42:53,863 --> 00:42:55,132 you're going through now, 924 00:42:55,156 --> 00:42:57,426 if anybody's going through it now, 925 00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:00,345 tell somebody. You've got to tell somebody. 926 00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:03,891 It will not stop. You have to tell somebody. 927 00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:06,643 And, and you will get help. 928 00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:08,270 What I want to tell you is this: 929 00:43:08,294 --> 00:43:10,314 you can't glorify what happened to me. 930 00:43:10,338 --> 00:43:12,065 But I ain't the only one. 931 00:43:12,089 --> 00:43:14,902 There's millions of other kids that are 932 00:43:14,926 --> 00:43:19,114 going through the same thing as I speak. 933 00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:22,159 If you're one of those kids... 934 00:43:22,183 --> 00:43:25,537 Run! Run like the wind. 935 00:43:25,561 --> 00:43:28,290 Go to the police, go to your pastor, 936 00:43:28,314 --> 00:43:31,710 go to the... just go. 937 00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:35,047 And if it's already happened to you, 938 00:43:35,071 --> 00:43:37,925 you gotta get help. 939 00:43:37,949 --> 00:43:42,095 I'm 65 now, and I'm not ashamed anymore. 940 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,223 Still a little angry at times, 941 00:43:44,247 --> 00:43:46,600 but not so angry that I have to medicate it. 942 00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:49,102 I've been sober now for 10 years. 943 00:43:49,126 --> 00:43:51,605 10 years, woo. 944 00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:55,651 I did it. I made it all the way back. 945 00:43:55,675 --> 00:43:59,696 The bottom line is, never, ever... 946 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,699 ever give up. 947 00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:07,979 ♪ 69901

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