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He had this magnetic charisma
that you could feel across the gym.
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You thought, "Hey, man,
this guy's a star."
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And I'll do whatever it takes!
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To look adversity in the face
and spit in its eye.
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The wrestling world
could never have imagined
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that an undersized football player
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would revolutionize the business,
ushering in a whole new era.
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Shut the hell up!
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Brian knew what the deal was.
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They're gonna screw anybody over.
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And how he could make that play
for his own advantage.
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In an industry that depends
on the illusion of reality,
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no one did more to blur the lines
than Brian Pillman,
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who shattered
wrestling's fourth wall.
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He was going against the "script."
This has never been done.
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What are you doing? Easy!
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Pillman's over-the-top antics
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exposed
the inner workings of the business,
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leveraging trade secrets
to make the deal of a lifetime.
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That Loose Cannon gimmick,
he just took it so far.
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Don't go in there!
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People thought, "It was too extreme."
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You didn't know where Brian started
and his wrestling persona ended.
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Get him out of here.
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He had troublesome relationships
with women.
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My mom had had enough and that
pushed her over the edge a little.
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He's being driven crazy at home,
he's crazy at work.
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And in between,
he's probably really going crazy.
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On track to become
a wrestling superstar
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at the price of his own sanity,
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his rise to the top
was tragically cut short.
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I'm watching the pre-show
for the pay-per-view.
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We have some tragic news to report.
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I just screamed.
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He had a persona that he wanted
to perpetuate, even if it killed him.
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Man, this is the gold chain
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that Brian Pillman got for me
back in the day.
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We were riding down the road
one day,
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and he goes,
"Kid, we got to have gold chains.
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That'll look great."
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And years later,
I don't have a lot of things,
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you know,
from my old wrestling days,
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but this chain I'll always have.
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It's very sentimental to me,
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and it was a big part of the makeup
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and the gimmick
of the Hollywood Blondes.
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I'm Steve Austin,
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a friend of Brian's
from our WCW days.
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We were tag team partners.
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Turned out to be good friends
and a good tag team.
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The Hollywood Blonds!
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Brian didn't phone nothing in.
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He wanted to go out and perform.
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He was never supposed
to be big or bad enough
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or strong enough to do anything.
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He blew everybody away
with his tenacity and will to win.
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He was a good-looking guy,
great physique, high-flyer.
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-Could do everything.
-Oh, man!
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Brian was very athletic.
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It seemed like he was willing
to try anything.
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You could tell that he really wanted
to be a pro wrestling star.
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I'm Jim Ross.
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When I was in WCW in the mid-80s,
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Brian was a guy
that we had very high hopes for
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and really wanted to sign.
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After we're done
pounding you into submission,
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the only thing prescribed
for you afterwards
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is a liquid diet of embalming fluid!
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From when he got in the ring,
you could tell he was a performer.
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He was an exhibitionist.
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He had the personality for wrestling.
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I've been involved
in wrestling for over 40 years
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as a manager,
promoter, announcer, matchmaker,
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and I was good friends
in the '80s and '90s with Brian.
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He wasn't trying to be the move guy.
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He wasn't just trying to be the guy
with the mullet and the abs.
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He hit this business on all fronts
and fire on all cylinders,
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trying to be the biggest star
that the business had ever seen.
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My name is Brian Pillman Jr.
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I am only son
of the late, great Brian Pillman,
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known as the Loose Cannon.
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Brian was a natural promo.
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They stuck a mic in front of him,
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he would just go off
in that raspy voice.
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You're not running this, I am!
Because I'm Brian fucking Pillman!
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Growing up, Brian had multiple polyps
on his vocal cords,
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and it was closing up
his air passage.
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They'd scrape them off and then,
after so long,
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they'd grow back again.
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And that's why his voice was so raspy
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because his vocal cords
had been scraped so many times.
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I'm Linda, Brian's older sister.
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He had over 40 surgeries.
I don't know the exact number.
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When my mother came in one day,
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she could hear breathing
as she came in.
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It was closing up his air passage.
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And she called the doctor.
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She had to hold the receiver up
so he could hear him breathing.
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And that's when he decided
he needed emergency tracheotomy.
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He had the ambulance bring them
to his house
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because his house was closer
than the hospital.
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And he put a tracheotomy in Brian
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on his dining room table
in the middle of the night.
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But it never stopped him
from doing anything.
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He was always outside,
playing and running.
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He wasn't allowed to talk
for three weeks after those surgeries
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and he didn't talk.
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As a result of that,
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I think he overcompensated later on
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by wanting to always talk,
wanting to be an entertainer.
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It formed him as the guy
that was gonna overcome,
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knock down the obstacles.
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The son of a bitch was fearless.
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I mean, he was...
He was a tough, tough nut.
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Kim Wood.
I was the Paul Brown Strength Coach
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for the Bengals.
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And, Pillman
had a chance to try out with us.
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My instruction was to kill him,
not literally, but damn close.
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But he tried his ass off.
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He said, "It's not about
the size of the dog in the fight.
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It's about the fight in the dog."
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He had a reputation,
being a street fighter.
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I heard that he was at some bar
that had an upper floor,
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like a balcony
or whatever you wanna call it.
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And he was up there and some girl
threw a drink in his face.
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And her boyfriend came after Brian.
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The guy was hanging...
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Brian had him hanging by his ankles
over the railing.
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And Brian was banned from that bar.
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After a brief stint in the NFL,
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Brian heads to Calgary to play
in the football league.
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Soon after,
Brian suffers an ankle injury,
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cutting his career short,
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which leaves him searching
for what to do next.
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One thing I knew was,
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he wasn't gonna be
a high-school teacher.
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He wasn't gonna sell insurance.
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There was a lot of things.
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He could use his toughness
and his physicality to make money.
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When I was with the Bengals,
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Kim Wood talked to me about
getting into professional wrestling.
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He thought I had
all the tools needed.
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It turns out, Calgary happened to be
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the premiere training ground
for wrestlers.
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I said, "Hey, while you're up there,
go check out this this Hart bunch."
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The Harts are the first family
of Canadian wrestling
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with patriarch Stu Hart at the helm.
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In addition to his children
that would go on to be icons,
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the family discovered and trained
several other future superstars.
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They take him into the Hart dungeon
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and teach him how to wrestle
to break into the business.
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How would you sort of describe
what the dungeon is
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to someone who doesn't know it?
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If you can't hear screaming
coming out of it,
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something's not going right.
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Stu, the old man, would put people
in submission holds
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and not let them out of the thing
for, you know, three or four hours.
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If you survive that,
you survive anything.
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You get that great foundation
right off the bat from Stu.
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It was an easy bridge to cross
from football to wrestling.
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Brian gets his start
in Stampede Wrestling,
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and although it's a small territory
in Canada,
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its influence on the industry
is felt around the wrestling world.
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There were
millions of wrestling fans,
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but there was a small subset called
"smart fans"
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that knew the inside inner workings
of wrestling.
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The insiders all knew the name
Brian Pillman.
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I'm Dave,
editor of the Wrestling Observer.
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It's an insider publication.
It's covered wrestling since 1982.
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For a long time, it was really
the only, what I would call,
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true source
of pro-wrestling information.
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The sheets were a thing.
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You didn't wanna get caught with
them, it's like secret documents.
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Then it got out and damn near
all the boys are reading it.
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Brian had started wrestling
when he called me the first time.
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He wanted to send me tapes,
so we traded tapes.
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As far as student of the game,
top level,
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more than almost anyone
I ever dealt with.
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Meltzer was a good gauge for talent.
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So that tipped me off that Meltzer
kept writing good things about Brian.
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Brian wound up in WCW
by me getting a hold of him.
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Best of luck on that endeavor.
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Upon arriving in WCW...
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Brian Pillman!
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...top star and matchmaker
Ric Flair sees something in Brian
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and looks to feature him
on television in a main-event spot.
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That match was
one of the highest-rated
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Saturday night programs
on TBS at that point
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in the previous years.
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And the crowd popped for him.
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Crowd's chanting "Go, Brian, go!"
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Ric was the guy that wanted
to go in the ring with Brian
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and tear the house down.
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Then he wanted to go to the bar
with Brian
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and tear the house down there.
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That's the way he lived.
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He lived a cartoon a life,
a fantasy life
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of limos and long black socks
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and alligator shoes
and, you know, babes.
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I think Brian liked aspects
of the lifestyle a lot.
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He wanted to be like Ric Flair.
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Brian Pillman was a lady's man.
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He's a gorgeous guy on television,
he's a professional athlete.
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So, yeah, a lot of the women
were attracted to Brian.
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Rochelle was a woman that Brian met
at a club, downtown Cincinnati.
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You know, they were happy,
and we all loved her.
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She lived with him in Calgary
for a while
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before he got the contract
in Atlanta,
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and that's when Brittany was born
in Atlanta.
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My name is Brittany.
I'm the daughter of Brian Pillman.
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I was a daddy's girl.
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You know, everyone sees him
as this wrestler, always on the road,
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and wrestling was his life,
but outside of wrestling,
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his children were his life.
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My dad thought
I was his firstborn child.
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But when I was a year old,
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he found out that he had
another daughter.
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I'm Danielle Pillman. I go by Dani.
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And Brian Pillman is my father,
and I am the oldest of his kids.
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My dad met my mom
in Cincinnati, like, some bar.
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And, I mean, it was like
a very brief love affair.
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But she did end up
becoming pregnant,
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but my dad had Rochelle
as his girlfriend at the time.
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So, yeah, that's kind of why
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she didn't want to disclose that
to my father immediately,
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but at a certain point, she felt like
I needed my dad.
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The second
that I came into the picture,
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he was there for me 100 percent
and wanted me to be in his life.
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That's something
to be said about him.
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He did care about his kids.
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My dad living that lifestyle
and all these different women
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and he had obviously cheated
on my mom many times.
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I'm sure that was hard on her,
but she stayed with him, you know.
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She had a lot of issues.
She suffered with major depression.
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My mom and dad
were living in Atlanta
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and my dad was at a show.
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The groundskeeper
broke into the place
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and attacked her with an ice pick.
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And she was stabbed several times.
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-Was he trying to rob her?
-Rob her, whatever, I don't know.
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Stabbed her in the face,
stabbed her in the cheek.
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So that'll mess you up.
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Brian's looks and athletic ability
allow him a spot on the card
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as a generic hero,
245
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but he's not content to stay
in one place for long
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nor do what he's told.
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He was reasonably successful.
248
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He wanted to be a main eventer,
249
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and he wasn't a main eventer yet.
He was a good mid-level guy.
250
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You know, Brian's first couple years
in WCW were tough.
251
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I'm Eric Bischoff,
former president of WCW.
252
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And, once upon a time,
Brian Pillman's boss.
253
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Brian was relatively new on the scene
his first couple years in WCW.
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We had to earn his respect.
255
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What probably made
that even tougher
256
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was the management transitions
that took place.
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Constant changeover
in management
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led to stop-and-start
pushes in Brian's career.
259
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As soon as he started
to gain ground and earn respect,
260
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new matchmakers would arrive,
pushing Brian back down.
261
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But finally, they put Brian together
with Steve Austin.
262
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He's ready to back you up
100 percent.
263
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Stunning Steve Austin.
264
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And I wasn't thrilled at all.
265
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When people hear Steve,
266
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they think he was
always the biggest star.
267
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At the time, in 1993,
he was still finding his way
268
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and hadn't got a main event yet.
269
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And this is about when I eventually
started getting a run
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as a US champion.
271
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I was looking forward to that.
272
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I walked in, and here's Brian
coming up behind me,
273
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and I knew Brian.
274
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He goes, "We need to come up
with a finish."
275
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"What are you talking about?"
276
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He goes, "We're a tag team now."
And I was really not, not happy.
277
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I had nothing against Brian.
278
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But it's like, I was...
I was a single wrestler.
279
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I enjoyed working with another guy
in the ring,
280
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having to depend on myself.
281
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They didn't have no name planned
for us, no this, no that.
282
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It was two guys and they were gonna
throw us together
283
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as an interim tag team,
basically to get other people over
284
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because they didn't have plans
for Brian and Steve Austin.
285
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We were gonna try to make the most
of the situation.
286
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Any time
that you start working together,
287
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you become closer.
288
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And, normally I'd be at the wheel,
Brian would be riding shotgun,
289
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reading dictionaries
290
00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,080
because he was already trying
to increase his vocabulary.
291
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...and began the pilgrimage
out to Florida!
292
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Cut through the bureaucratic red tape
and get that title shot!
293
00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,920
As it goes, we're going down the road
and he goes,
294
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"Hey. Every tag team
has to have a name.
295
00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,440
So, what about
the Hollywood Blonds?
296
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It's been done before,
but it's been awhile. Let's do that."
297
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I was thinking to myself,
"I ain't come up with a better one."
298
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So I was cool
with being the Hollywood Blonds.
299
00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,640
-Guess what...
-The Hollywood Blonds!
300
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,080
The vests, the trunks, everything
was Brian's idea, and we were cocky,
301
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brash, arrogant guys that we
started rolling the camera footage.
302
00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,120
Brian had that shit-eating grin
or that laugh,
303
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when you're getting heat
on a babyface.
304
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Brian and I developed this bond
and this chemistry.
305
00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,000
I loved tag-team wrestling
once I figured it out.
306
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I hate to say it
because it sounds corny,
307
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,560
but they were made for each other.
They complemented each other.
308
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They worked hard to make each other
look good.
309
00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,800
The Blonds gave Brian a chance
to open up as a heel, as a bad guy.
310
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,280
People are like,
"I loved the Blonds,"
311
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,960
but back then,
they were getting booed.
312
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-You suck!
-You loved to hate them.
313
00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,160
It was more natural for Brian
to be a heel.
314
00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,520
He wasn't a guy that wanted
to shake hands and smile.
315
00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,360
He wanted to be a smartass,
be obnoxious, show off.
316
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You're all a bunch of losers!
317
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He was getting better,
getting exposure.
318
00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,360
Partying, having fun.
319
00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,280
Brian's fast and loose lifestyle
doesn't mix well
320
00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,440
with his turbulent situation
at home,
321
00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,040
and he pursues yet another woman
who enters his complicated life.
322
00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,040
I think Melanie
was working in Atlanta.
323
00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,720
She was a "showgirl."
324
00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,120
He saw her picture
in a Penthouse and says,
325
00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,800
"I'm gonna marry that girl,"
and he met her.
326
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,240
My dad was sleeping with Melanie
behind my mother's back
327
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,040
because he was in Atlanta.
328
00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,400
Melanie would call the house
and that's basically,
329
00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,480
I think, how Rochelle found out
about it, you know.
330
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,160
She was hurt because, you know,
they had a nice home,
331
00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,800
the family was happy.
332
00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,600
But then he had this other life
in Atlanta.
333
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,160
And then Melanie became pregnant.
334
00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,680
And that's how we have Brian Junior.
335
00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,000
After another unexpected pregnancy
outside of their relationship,
336
00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,120
Brian and Rochelle split up.
337
00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,440
Shortly after, Brian proposes
to his new girlfriend, Melanie.
338
00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:51,880
We went to Vegas and he put on
like a freaking St. Patrick's Day
339
00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,480
white tux with
a big ol' ugly green bowtie.
340
00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,320
And I had a white dress, mind you,
the stripper in a white dress. Yeah!
341
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,320
And I had a big ol' green corsage on,
and I loved it, every second of it.
342
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,320
I wouldn't trade it for the world.
343
00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,000
My name is Melanie Pillman.
I'm the widow of Brian Pillman.
344
00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,720
In private, like, he's just
more laid back and sensible-acting.
345
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,480
He's one of the most intelligent men
I've ever met.
346
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,200
So well-read and he just excelled
at so many things.
347
00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:26,400
He was... he was my soul mate,
I mean,
348
00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,720
I couldn't have picked a better guy
to love... love, than him.
349
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,400
His first years with her,
I thought he was very happy.
350
00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,880
It'd be a big thing
with his Christmas card.
351
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,640
It would be him and the wife,
352
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,480
and all these little kids.
353
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,680
Because I had my two kids,
you know.
354
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,960
He would show up
with four little kids.
355
00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,240
They all had different mothers.
356
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,480
They'd be climbing on him.
357
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,920
One had his legs around his neck,
and one is on his shoulder,
358
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,440
and he loved those kids.
359
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,440
He was counted on,
he was depended on to provide.
360
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,800
That responsibility pushes you
to keep going to work.
361
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,280
-You provide for your family.
-Stunning Steve and Flyin' Brian.
362
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,160
They made the decision
to give the Hollywood Blonds
363
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:10,640
a big main-event match
364
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,080
on a Clash of Champions,
and Ric Flair was gonna be involved.
365
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,400
The rating came in
and wasn't very good.
366
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,160
They couldn't blame Flair
because he was a star,
367
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,440
so they put
the heat on Brian and Steve.
368
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,520
"The Blonds didn't draw a rating."
369
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,600
And that kind of doomed them there
370
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,720
as being featured
in a more prominent capacity.
371
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,720
It felt like betrayal.
372
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,320
I wish someone would finally tell me
why the company broke us up
373
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,040
because we started getting over
as a viable tag team that could hold,
374
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,000
you know, world championship belts.
We did.
375
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,880
We make chicken shit
into chicken salad
376
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,400
and now you split us up
377
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,520
with no real clear direction
for either one of us.
378
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,840
So breaking us up broke my heart.
379
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,200
I don't know of any other talents
buried because of a bad rating.
380
00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,600
TBS was drawing a lot of bad ratings.
381
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,160
But I think somebody thought,
"I don't want to use these guys."
382
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,960
They used that as an excuse.
383
00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,800
How that was handled,
I look back on it today
384
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,040
and still shake my head
that we could have done better.
385
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:19,520
The period from 1990 to 1993,
it was very frustrating for Brian.
386
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,400
Also, there was
some knowledge early on
387
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,520
that his home life was not as happy
as it could be.
388
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,640
I felt like my dad allowed Melanie
to run the show.
389
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,840
Melanie treated my mom very poorly.
390
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,560
I feel like she was very jealous
of my mother.
391
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,200
Melanie didn't like
him talking to her.
392
00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,160
She didn't like me and my mother
talking to Rochelle.
393
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,400
She made it hard to like her
because she just caused trouble.
394
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,840
Rochelle took off and didn't tell
anybody where she was.
395
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,120
Rochelle is scheduled to see
Brittany but never shows.
396
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,240
No one is able to get a hold of her,
397
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,520
resulting in
a missing persons report.
398
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,920
Several days later,
when Rochelle finally surfaces,
399
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560
Brian and Melanie
take decisive action.
400
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,280
Brian said, and I agreed with him,
and I shouldn't have,
401
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,320
"We should just file for custody."
And that changed everything.
402
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,400
Following the tag-team breakup
with Steve Austin,
403
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,520
Brian's career has stalled.
404
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,440
The cracks in his family life
start to break open,
405
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,360
consuming those around him.
406
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,600
The custody battle started
407
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,120
because Melanie
didn't want Rochelle around.
408
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,360
Basically, Brian had more money
and could keep the attorneys paid.
409
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,520
The attorneys work
when you pay them.
410
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,640
And Rochelle just didn't have
any more money.
411
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,200
I was delivering stuff to the lawyer.
412
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,920
I was bombarding her
with these stupid things
413
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,720
about returning past child support
414
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,240
that she blew in, you know,
just little minutiae
415
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,440
that was making me feel
like a better person,
416
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,440
but I wasn't the better person.
417
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,560
Nobody should take kids away.
418
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,640
I should have never done that.
I'd never do it again.
419
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,160
It just devastated Rochelle.
420
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,960
I was outside,
riding my bicycle one day.
421
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,080
This was at a time
when she wasn't allowed to see me,
422
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,160
and she came pulling up,
and I went running to her,
423
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,720
so happy to see her.
424
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:23,440
Rochelle was hugging her,
and they thought she was taking her.
425
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,760
Here comes my dad and it was
just like this huge argument,
426
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,600
him pulling her away from me.
427
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,320
Melanie filed kidnapping charges
against Rochelle.
428
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,880
My dad had got full custody of me,
and in my mom's mind, she was like,
429
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,400
"I'm gonna lose my daughter,"
430
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,200
so my mom called my dad's house
and she wanted to talk to my dad,
431
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:48,800
but he was out of town.
432
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,200
Melanie had answered and told her,
433
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,240
"Your own mother thinks I'd be
a better mother
434
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,480
than you'll ever be."
435
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,200
And my mom called my grandma.
436
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:06,120
She called her mother and told her
what she was gonna do.
437
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280
And then she shot herself.
438
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,920
I got the call to go to the hospital
because she was being airlifted in.
439
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,600
I was the closest.
440
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,720
And I was the one at the hospital
that they told,
441
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,480
and then I had to tell everybody
that she was gone.
442
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,240
She died on the helicopter.
443
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,120
So I had to call her mother
and tell her mother.
444
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,680
Oh, it was very hard.
445
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,280
To tell somebody's mother
that their child was dead.
446
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,560
It just destroyed Brian
because he felt so responsible.
447
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,520
He was just so upset.
He cried, and he said,
448
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,800
"Do you think it was
all that pressure?
449
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320
I think it was, Mel." I'd be like,
"Yeah, it probably was."
450
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,640
Brian wanted to pay
for her whole funeral and everything.
451
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:14,200
At the funeral, he held it together
until they closed the casket.
452
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,440
And he lost it.
He was hugging me and sobbing.
453
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,160
And, in fact, at one point,
I kind of looked at him
454
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,720
because I thought
he was gonna pass out.
455
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,960
He was devastated.
456
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,800
He was devastated.
457
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,280
I felt so guilty for that for years.
458
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,640
And I think I drove her.
Maybe not just me,
459
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,560
but I think incidents drove her
to shoot herself.
460
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,520
Rethinking it,
I wouldn't have done it the same way.
461
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,960
Nobody should have to fight
for their kid.
462
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:54,560
I don't know
what my problem was back then.
463
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,840
It was devastating,
and I know it was for Brittany.
464
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,360
I have a lot of anger built up
towards my dad in a sense
465
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600
because I do wish
that he would have, you know,
466
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,760
allowed my mom to see me
because maybe she'd be here today.
467
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,080
I don't know.
She had a lot of issues,
468
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,000
but Melanie was the overall cause.
469
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,480
She's an evil person,
and she's always been that way.
470
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,480
Melanie should have never said
those words to my mom.
471
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,400
She's literally the devil,
and they say, you know,
472
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,720
you reap what you sow, and now,
she's living a life.
473
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,760
She should have been dead
years ago,
474
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,680
because of all the drugs,
475
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,360
but I feel like
she's gonna live to be 100
476
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,360
and miserable for all the pain
that she has caused me,
477
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,840
and my brother, and you know,
my Aunt Linda.
478
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,280
And I... And Brittany's the one that,
you know,
479
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,400
I don't know
how to make it up to her. I...
480
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,240
I don't really know
how to make it up to her.
481
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,080
The guilt of Rochelle's death
weighs heavily on Brian,
482
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,960
and he dives even deeper
into his career.
483
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,200
With his contract renewal
with the WCW looming,
484
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,800
Brian is determined to renegotiate
for even more money.
485
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,560
It was like, "I have five kids.
My body's falling apart.
486
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,680
I have to make big money now
487
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,320
because I got five kids!"
488
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,720
This was his shot.
489
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,720
He talks with Bischoff that was doing
the contracts there,
490
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,680
and Bischoff says to him,
491
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,360
"Expect about
what you're getting now."
492
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,840
He was happy that I got him back
to 225,
493
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760
but I think he wanted four.
494
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,640
I couldn't justify it
when he wanted it.
495
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,440
He came to me and says, "What do
I do?" What I told him was this...
496
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,680
It's a question of value.
497
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,480
And when everybody's using
everybody else,
498
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,000
what can you do that other people
can't do?
499
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240
What can you do that gains notoriety?
500
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,120
This thing runs on attention.
501
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,480
It runs on very superficial things.
502
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Create attention. How can we do
that in the position you're in?
503
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,320
With his pulse
on the wrestling landscape,
504
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,240
Brian knew that he had
to find a way to up the ante
505
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,640
in order to shock
even the most hardcore fans.
506
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Brian knew if he could make people
legitimately believe
507
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480
that he was a loose cannon,
that he was nuts,
508
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,920
he was capable of doing anything,
509
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440
that he could be
one of the hottest guys.
510
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,120
It was a pure money deal.
511
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,040
What do we really want?
512
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,760
Bischoff to offer you
a hell of a lot more money,
513
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,840
and we want Vince McMahon to see
that you are of value and offer more.
514
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,400
And then you flip a coin.
515
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,800
If he could play one side
against the other
516
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,720
in the middle of the war,
517
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,200
he would come out much better,
six figures per year better.
518
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,000
It's what he set about to do.
519
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,080
Brian Pillman's plan was simple.
More attention means more money.
520
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,640
As the WWF and WCW
are engaged in a ratings battle,
521
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,120
Brian exploits this to his advantage
522
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,840
by playing them off each other
while driving up his own value.
523
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,160
Brian came up
with the Loose Cannon idea
524
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,320
and started slowly integrating it
into his television appearances.
525
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,240
Bobby Heenan
was the color commentator.
526
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,680
Bobby had had a broken neck.
527
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,720
He was protective of his neck
and Brian goes around behind Bobby,
528
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760
grabbing him by the shoulders
on live television.
529
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,160
-Bobby says...
-What the F are you doing?
530
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,400
Then Brian knew he got it.
He got gold out of it, right.
531
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,880
Everybody will be talking
about the F-bomb
532
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,560
that got dropped
on Turner Broadcast.
533
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,800
Bobby thought Brian was nuts.
534
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,160
I think the Brain has left.
535
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,200
People were confused
whether it was real or not.
536
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,680
One guy he was involved with
was Kevin Sullivan, the booker,
537
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,240
the matchmaker.
538
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,720
Oh, my goodness!
They got a fight going on!
539
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,400
They're beating each other,
540
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,600
and when Brian Pillman
was ready to quit,
541
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,000
-he was like...
-I respect you, booker man.
542
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,160
"I respect you, booker man."
543
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,520
The fact that he was acknowledging
on national television
544
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,160
that Kevin Sullivan was a head writer
of a wrestling show
545
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,720
was something that had
never been done before.
546
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Those that knew, knew.
And those that didn't know
547
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360
need to find out
what a booker man meant.
548
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640
It was a big thing because those guys
are sensitive
549
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,600
about exposing the business.
550
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,560
When you're acting out a story line,
it's work.
551
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,360
And a lot of the boys backstage
weren't really sure this was real
552
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,960
or if this was a work.
553
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,480
The locker rooms had never been
invaded that way before.
554
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,680
He knew if the other wrestlers
believed it was real,
555
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360
then they would tell
the newsletter editors,
556
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
"Wow, that guy's nuts,"
and the word would travel.
557
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,600
I thought, "This is going down bad.
Brian's getting fired."
558
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,760
I'm out of contact with him.
He's lost his mind.
559
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,320
He's not talking to me.
560
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,120
The "smart fans"
561
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,680
were starting to figure out that
wrestling is manipulated,
562
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,480
choreographed, pre-determined.
563
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,280
That guy's nuts and he's real,
and he won't do what they tell him.
564
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:12,240
That sells tickets. You had no idea
what was supposed to happen.
565
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,720
He was convincing people
that he was insane.
566
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,840
Not only were the fans
ready to be fooled,
567
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,840
but all the wrestlers were,
568
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,480
the management people were.
569
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,640
There was people
that you could play like a violin.
570
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,960
-Brian, I'd like to know... No.
-Nervous?
571
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080
-I'm not nervous.
-You should be.
572
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
I don't think anybody
at any given moment
573
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,360
knew if or not they were
really being worked by Brian.
574
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,240
He ended up working Bischoff.
575
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,080
I said, "Get him to give you
some release." From his contract.
576
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,920
"From your contract."
577
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Brian says to Eric Bischoff,
578
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,320
"If you fire me, and then I bust out
on TV the week afterwards,
579
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,160
people will know this has gone
out of control."
580
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,360
"The people in the office,
581
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,400
if they see that I'm under contract,
they'll tell Dave.
582
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,200
Everyone will know that it's a work.
You have to really fire me.
583
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Give me
this legitimate termination letter.
584
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,680
I can show it to everybody.
585
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,120
'Look at what the guy did!
Can you believe he fired me?'"
586
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,800
He did! He gave him a release.
587
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,320
So he was then free to negotiate
with Vince McMahon and the WWF
588
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,240
against Eric Bischoff
so he could get a better deal,
589
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,440
all because Bischoff thought
he was working with Brian
590
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,200
to create this "illusion"
and Brian was working Bischoff
591
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,920
to create his own illusion.
592
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Dude, I mean, how do you do that?
593
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,120
How... I don't know anybody else
would ever did that.
594
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,520
Yeah, stroke of genius.
595
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,320
It was a termination,
596
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,880
but it was a legitimate termination
with a wink and a nod.
597
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,480
I said, "Brian, go to WWF.
I can't give you what you want.
598
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,960
Get yourself over there
so that when you come back,
599
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,600
it'll give me the ability to pay
you more.
600
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,480
You've raised your value."
601
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,600
In his world, it's his stunt.
602
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,120
He is flattered that he's the guy
pulling the great stunt,
603
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000
even though he was the power
to begin with!
604
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,040
For anyone to suggest
that the Loose Cannon character
605
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,560
was designed to manipulate me
into giving Brian Pillman more money,
606
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,880
when, in fact, Brian Pillman and I
discussed how to make this work
607
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,320
even better so that at some point,
I could give him the money,
608
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680
it kind of flies in the face
of the rumors and the innuendo.
609
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,880
That's the greatest thing you can do.
610
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,800
If you can fuck somebody over
and have them think that it's great,
611
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840
that's, you know, that's the trick
of breaking up with a woman,
612
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,640
you know, make her think
that it's her idea.
613
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,960
As a free agent, Brian takes charge
of his appearances and publicity.
614
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,760
His insider knowledge,
mastery of manipulation,
615
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,400
and disregard for exposing
the industry solidifies his position
616
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,080
as the ultimate ring master.
617
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,920
In the wrestling war layout
at the time,
618
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,640
the fans knew one thing, if you are
really working for one promotion,
619
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,720
you can't appear for any others.
620
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,640
Tonight will be one
of the most extreme hours of...
621
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Wait a minute.
622
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,320
With trying to prove it was real,
623
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,720
WCW hated ECW, so Brian must be
on the outs with WCW.
624
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,600
Renegade promotion ECW
is gaining traction
625
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,560
for pushing the boundaries
626
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,320
and is the perfect stage
for the unpredictable antics.
627
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,880
He could curse,
he could say off-color things.
628
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,000
Eric Bischoff is each and every one
629
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,880
of these motherfucking smart marks
rolled up
630
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,560
in a giant piece of shit!
631
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,560
I thought Brian was losing his mind,
as opposed to being brilliant.
632
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,040
I loved it. I was entertained by it.
633
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Damn near whipped it out
and was gonna piss in the ring,
634
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,760
that's a pretty strong statement.
635
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,000
And I was like,
"This motherfucker's out there."
636
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,480
In a good way.
637
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,400
Get him the hell out of here.
638
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,280
This was working on both levels.
639
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,840
The fans who weren't inside,
they just thought that he was crazy
640
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,120
and he was doing wild things,
641
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,400
but the fans who did know
the inside terminology
642
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,920
were like,
"They can't allow him to do that."
643
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,400
When he'd have
a television appearance,
644
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,600
it'd be arranged so it didn't look
like he was supposed to be there
645
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480
or he was doing something
he wasn't supposed to do.
646
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,120
He protested the matches
that he'd been given.
647
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,520
He wrestled a pencil because pencil
in inside knowledge
648
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,160
was a name for the booker.
649
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,680
I always end up fighting
with the pencil.
650
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680
He's showing up
and doing these funny vignettes.
651
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480
He's cooking, and flames
are going out of the frying pan.
652
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,240
And they hired a woman with a baby,
and the guy comes to punch Pillman,
653
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,480
and he grabs the baby and holds
the baby in front of him.
654
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,440
You scum! You piece of...
655
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,760
I never once called Brian and said,
"Hey, dude, are you working?
656
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,160
Are you shooting?" You know,
because I didn't want to know.
657
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,920
But I thought what he was doing
was brilliant.
658
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Some people think my dad was crazy
and other people are like,
659
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,480
"Your dad was not crazy.
660
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,160
That was just a gimmick."
661
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,240
A lot of people say
he fell into that.
662
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,840
They couldn't decipher it was...
Is this Brian Pillman now?
663
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,240
Or, like, is he still in character?
664
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,760
Is this just how he is?
665
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,760
It's all just
their perception of reality.
666
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,640
It was just like this blur between,
like, what is actually going on?
667
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,960
You don't even know anymore,
but that was the magic of it.
668
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,960
There was a lot of Andy Kaufman
in Brian.
669
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880
The Loose Cannon became Brian,
that was who he was.
670
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Brian was a renegade.
671
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,400
Brian was a bit of an outlaw.
672
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Again, remember, when you're not
the biggest dog of the litter,
673
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,880
and you got that gravelly voice
you've had 30 throat operations
674
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,760
when you're a small child,
you get an attitude.
675
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,360
The greatest wrestlers
I've ever worked with
676
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,600
are essentially natural, organic
extensions of their own personality.
677
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,000
And the Loose Cannon was just that.
678
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,600
The message that Brian at ECW sent
to the other companies is
679
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,200
he was a free agent
and he'd go to the highest bidder.
680
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,560
Vince is watching.
It's the hottest thing.
681
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,280
The only one to know
what was going on was Dave.
682
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,960
"We have to tell Meltzer."
683
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,160
I value his friendship more than
I value any of this shit.
684
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,040
I called up Kim,
and I go, "Oh, god, Brian's...
685
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,480
Brian's in trouble."
He just goes, like,
686
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520
"Brian's doing this.
687
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,440
He's come up with a character,
and he's you gotta work everybody."
688
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,320
"What do I do with Dave?"
689
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,280
He goes, "Don't talk to Dave
because if you tell him,
690
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,960
then he's gonna have to say it
because that's his role.
691
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,880
I don't want you lying to him."
692
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,840
So, literally, he didn't talk to me
for a couple months there.
693
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,800
He wanted to fool me
with the character.
694
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,480
And he did for a while.
695
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Who are the real marks?
Who are the ultimate marks?
696
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,400
Bischoff, and we got Vince.
697
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Vince McMahon was,
then as he is now,
698
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,320
the undisputed leader, ruler,
manipulator,
699
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,080
organizer, and owner
of World Wrestling Entertainment.
700
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,440
-What did you think of Vince?
-Vince?
701
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,240
-Personally.
-What do you...
702
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,560
What do you do with a whore?
Fuck them.
703
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,120
That's what I thought of Vince.
704
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,480
As Brian becomes the talk
of the wrestling world,
705
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520
it's time for the final step
of his master plan,
706
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,840
track down and secure the attention
of wrestling's biggest power player.
707
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,320
In perhaps his boldest stunt yet,
708
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,800
Brian plots to get the attention
of Vince McMahon
709
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,040
at an insider industry tradeshow
in Las Vegas,
710
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,280
the last place anyone would expect
to see the Loose Cannon.
711
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Okay, so I'm in Vegas.
712
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,600
I was in there and I was leaving,
713
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160
and Brian's coming
in full gimmick at this point.
714
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,640
And then I see him, "Hey, Dave."
Whatever.
715
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000
He goes, "Can I get your credential?"
716
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,880
I go, "Here's my credential."
717
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,080
And he went in and makes a beeline
for Jim Ross and Vince McMahon.
718
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,920
He had an idea to be
the most outrageous, outlandish,
719
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,680
over-the-top character
that Vince McMahon had ever met.
720
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160
He's gonna get
Vince McMahon's attention.
721
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,080
Doing his whole Brian Pillman,
722
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,120
"Hey, Vince, let's take a picture!"
723
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,680
"Vince McMahon! Motherfucker!
God almighty!"
724
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,240
"I got a chance to meet you!"
725
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,400
Somebody takes a picture.
726
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,760
And Vince is like, "Who is this guy?"
He made an impression.
727
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,320
You didn't know whether he was
a maniac or a guy having fun.
728
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,280
McMahon thought, "We can't hire
this guy. He's crazy."
729
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,040
I said, "Crazy like a fox."
730
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,640
"What do you mean?"
731
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,520
"He told me what he was gonna do."
"He did?" "Yeah, he's creative.
732
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,000
He's bold. He's like you, Vince.
733
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,560
He'll take a chance."
734
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,280
Brian's balls at that point
would probably fit in a wheelbarrow.
735
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,840
You work Vince McMahon,
you know, especially back in the day,
736
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480
pretty good rib.
And got his attention, too.
737
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,640
It was pretty freaking genius
what he was doing.
738
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,800
But he wanted to stay in WCW.
WWF didn't offer guaranteed money.
739
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,400
And Vince was always pushing
the bigger guys.
740
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Brian always felt that WCW
was his company
741
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,000
and the company he'd do the best in.
742
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,960
People go, "He manipulated
his contract."
743
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680
No, he did the manipulation
of his contract
744
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,560
to negotiate with WWF
to raise his money with WCW.
745
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,000
Brian's bold plan is a success
746
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,160
as he's in negotiations
for contracts
747
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,080
with both and WCW and WWF.
748
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,440
All he has to do
is choose the right path.
749
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,320
It didn't matter
where he would up, it was just...
750
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,000
No, it's money!
751
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,720
That's the bottom fucking line!
It's money!
752
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,160
And these people are in fantasy land.
And it's money.
753
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,320
The only problem is
like the Hebrew saying,
754
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,200
"Man plans and God laughs."
755
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,920
We're talking about,
"I got to save money,"
756
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,960
and then he buys
an $80,000 Humvee.
757
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,880
I couldn't fathom the idea of,
"I've got five kids,
758
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,080
I've got to make money now"
759
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,960
and then buying a Humvee.
760
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,000
God. He would drive that wherever,
Brian wanted to drive that.
761
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,040
He didn't want to sit at the light,
762
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,080
he drove down a gully and up
the other side in that Hummer.
763
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,480
He didn't, you know, follow
the rules.
764
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,840
I was actually in Miami, modeling,
765
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080
but I called to check on the kids,
766
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:52,040
and the neighbor across the street,
I called her and she said,
767
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,800
"My God, I just passed the Hummer
768
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,080
and little Brian's car seat's
out in the middle of the yard
769
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,480
and Brian's being flown
to the hospital."
770
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,120
I remember he flipped and rolled it.
It was severe.
771
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,680
The wreck happened
during the negotiations.
772
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,480
-They're getting damaged goods.
-It was truly,
773
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,640
you can get on the tiger's back,
but how do you get off?
774
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,120
-Fate figured that out.
-There'd been a lot of deaths,
775
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,200
but not of a guy who was actually
on the way to the show.
776
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,120
It's like if Brian could just see
the future,
777
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,480
Brian would have just,
"Fuck, oh my God. No drugs."
778
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,240
It'd have scared him straight.
779
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,400
It's crazy how you go
from having a silver platter
780
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,320
to not knowing when your next meal
is going to be.
781
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,480
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