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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,320 He had this magnetic charisma that you could feel across the gym. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,920 You thought, "Hey, man, this guy's a star." 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,960 And I'll do whatever it takes! 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,960 To look adversity in the face and spit in its eye. 5 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:15,680 The wrestling world could never have imagined 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,240 that an undersized football player 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,920 would revolutionize the business, ushering in a whole new era. 8 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:24,400 Shut the hell up! 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,280 Brian knew what the deal was. 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,200 They're gonna screw anybody over. 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,760 And how he could make that play for his own advantage. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,880 In an industry that depends on the illusion of reality, 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,000 no one did more to blur the lines than Brian Pillman, 14 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:42,320 who shattered wrestling's fourth wall. 15 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,640 He was going against the "script." This has never been done. 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,560 What are you doing? Easy! 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,360 Pillman's over-the-top antics 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,840 exposed the inner workings of the business, 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,200 leveraging trade secrets to make the deal of a lifetime. 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,400 That Loose Cannon gimmick, he just took it so far. 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,360 Don't go in there! 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,840 People thought, "It was too extreme." 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,640 You didn't know where Brian started and his wrestling persona ended. 24 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,120 Get him out of here. 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,200 He had troublesome relationships with women. 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,520 My mom had had enough and that pushed her over the edge a little. 27 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,400 He's being driven crazy at home, he's crazy at work. 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,640 And in between, he's probably really going crazy. 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,240 On track to become a wrestling superstar 30 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,320 at the price of his own sanity, 31 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,680 his rise to the top was tragically cut short. 32 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,800 I'm watching the pre-show for the pay-per-view. 33 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,360 We have some tragic news to report. 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,280 I just screamed. 35 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,440 He had a persona that he wanted to perpetuate, even if it killed him. 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Man, this is the gold chain 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,320 that Brian Pillman got for me back in the day. 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,840 We were riding down the road one day, 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,480 and he goes, "Kid, we got to have gold chains. 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,080 That'll look great." 41 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,680 And years later, I don't have a lot of things, 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,880 you know, from my old wrestling days, 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,280 but this chain I'll always have. 44 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,320 It's very sentimental to me, 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,640 and it was a big part of the makeup 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,080 and the gimmick of the Hollywood Blondes. 47 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:25,240 I'm Steve Austin, 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,720 a friend of Brian's from our WCW days. 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,360 We were tag team partners. 50 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Turned out to be good friends and a good tag team. 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,600 The Hollywood Blonds! 52 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,360 Brian didn't phone nothing in. 53 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,320 He wanted to go out and perform. 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,960 He was never supposed to be big or bad enough 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,880 or strong enough to do anything. 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,760 He blew everybody away with his tenacity and will to win. 57 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,200 He was a good-looking guy, great physique, high-flyer. 58 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,760 -Could do everything. -Oh, man! 59 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:59,360 Brian was very athletic. 60 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,000 It seemed like he was willing to try anything. 61 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,360 You could tell that he really wanted to be a pro wrestling star. 62 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,440 I'm Jim Ross. 63 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,640 When I was in WCW in the mid-80s, 64 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,320 Brian was a guy that we had very high hopes for 65 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,960 and really wanted to sign. 66 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,600 After we're done pounding you into submission, 67 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,440 the only thing prescribed for you afterwards 68 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,960 is a liquid diet of embalming fluid! 69 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,480 From when he got in the ring, you could tell he was a performer. 70 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:29,920 He was an exhibitionist. 71 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,240 He had the personality for wrestling. 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,120 I've been involved in wrestling for over 40 years 73 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,000 as a manager, promoter, announcer, matchmaker, 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,280 and I was good friends in the '80s and '90s with Brian. 75 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,840 He wasn't trying to be the move guy. 76 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,080 He wasn't just trying to be the guy with the mullet and the abs. 77 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,080 He hit this business on all fronts and fire on all cylinders, 78 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,840 trying to be the biggest star that the business had ever seen. 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,240 My name is Brian Pillman Jr. 80 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,440 I am only son of the late, great Brian Pillman, 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,400 known as the Loose Cannon. 82 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Brian was a natural promo. 83 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,600 They stuck a mic in front of him, 84 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,520 he would just go off in that raspy voice. 85 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:22,080 You're not running this, I am! Because I'm Brian fucking Pillman! 86 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,360 Growing up, Brian had multiple polyps on his vocal cords, 87 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,520 and it was closing up his air passage. 88 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,320 They'd scrape them off and then, after so long, 89 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,880 they'd grow back again. 90 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,360 And that's why his voice was so raspy 91 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,760 because his vocal cords had been scraped so many times. 92 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,960 I'm Linda, Brian's older sister. 93 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,360 He had over 40 surgeries. I don't know the exact number. 94 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,880 When my mother came in one day, 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,480 she could hear breathing as she came in. 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,560 It was closing up his air passage. 97 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,840 And she called the doctor. 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,400 She had to hold the receiver up so he could hear him breathing. 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,680 And that's when he decided he needed emergency tracheotomy. 100 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,520 He had the ambulance bring them to his house 101 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,320 because his house was closer than the hospital. 102 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,040 And he put a tracheotomy in Brian 103 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,120 on his dining room table in the middle of the night. 104 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,680 But it never stopped him from doing anything. 105 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,080 He was always outside, playing and running. 106 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,040 He wasn't allowed to talk for three weeks after those surgeries 107 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,960 and he didn't talk. 108 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,560 As a result of that, 109 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,840 I think he overcompensated later on 110 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,040 by wanting to always talk, wanting to be an entertainer. 111 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,760 It formed him as the guy that was gonna overcome, 112 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,440 knock down the obstacles. 113 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,520 The son of a bitch was fearless. 114 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,600 I mean, he was... He was a tough, tough nut. 115 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Kim Wood. I was the Paul Brown Strength Coach 116 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,480 for the Bengals. 117 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,120 And, Pillman had a chance to try out with us. 118 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:18,760 My instruction was to kill him, not literally, but damn close. 119 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 But he tried his ass off. 120 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,800 He said, "It's not about the size of the dog in the fight. 121 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,760 It's about the fight in the dog." 122 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,680 He had a reputation, being a street fighter. 123 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,600 I heard that he was at some bar that had an upper floor, 124 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,880 like a balcony or whatever you wanna call it. 125 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,560 And he was up there and some girl threw a drink in his face. 126 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,600 And her boyfriend came after Brian. 127 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,680 The guy was hanging... 128 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:55,840 Brian had him hanging by his ankles over the railing. 129 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,480 And Brian was banned from that bar. 130 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,920 After a brief stint in the NFL, 131 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,280 Brian heads to Calgary to play in the football league. 132 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,480 Soon after, Brian suffers an ankle injury, 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,400 cutting his career short, 134 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,240 which leaves him searching for what to do next. 135 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,120 One thing I knew was, 136 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,600 he wasn't gonna be a high-school teacher. 137 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,440 He wasn't gonna sell insurance. 138 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,400 There was a lot of things. 139 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,800 He could use his toughness and his physicality to make money. 140 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,680 When I was with the Bengals, 141 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,560 Kim Wood talked to me about getting into professional wrestling. 142 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,920 He thought I had all the tools needed. 143 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,200 It turns out, Calgary happened to be 144 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,680 the premiere training ground for wrestlers. 145 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,000 I said, "Hey, while you're up there, go check out this this Hart bunch." 146 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,120 The Harts are the first family of Canadian wrestling 147 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,400 with patriarch Stu Hart at the helm. 148 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,160 In addition to his children that would go on to be icons, 149 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,200 the family discovered and trained several other future superstars. 150 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,240 They take him into the Hart dungeon 151 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,640 and teach him how to wrestle to break into the business. 152 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,520 How would you sort of describe what the dungeon is 153 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,400 to someone who doesn't know it? 154 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,400 If you can't hear screaming coming out of it, 155 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,120 something's not going right. 156 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,960 Stu, the old man, would put people in submission holds 157 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,880 and not let them out of the thing for, you know, three or four hours. 158 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,320 If you survive that, you survive anything. 159 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,960 You get that great foundation right off the bat from Stu. 160 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,800 It was an easy bridge to cross from football to wrestling. 161 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,600 Brian gets his start in Stampede Wrestling, 162 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,480 and although it's a small territory in Canada, 163 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,480 its influence on the industry is felt around the wrestling world. 164 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,720 There were millions of wrestling fans, 165 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,280 but there was a small subset called "smart fans" 166 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,000 that knew the inside inner workings of wrestling. 167 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,520 The insiders all knew the name Brian Pillman. 168 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:56,120 I'm Dave, editor of the Wrestling Observer. 169 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,240 It's an insider publication. It's covered wrestling since 1982. 170 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,640 For a long time, it was really the only, what I would call, 171 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,240 true source of pro-wrestling information. 172 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,440 The sheets were a thing. 173 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,320 You didn't wanna get caught with them, it's like secret documents. 174 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Then it got out and damn near all the boys are reading it. 175 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,440 Brian had started wrestling when he called me the first time. 176 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,640 He wanted to send me tapes, so we traded tapes. 177 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,320 As far as student of the game, top level, 178 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,920 more than almost anyone I ever dealt with. 179 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,320 Meltzer was a good gauge for talent. 180 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,640 So that tipped me off that Meltzer kept writing good things about Brian. 181 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,640 Brian wound up in WCW by me getting a hold of him. 182 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,400 Best of luck on that endeavor. 183 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,360 Upon arriving in WCW... 184 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,640 Brian Pillman! 185 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,000 ...top star and matchmaker Ric Flair sees something in Brian 186 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,760 and looks to feature him on television in a main-event spot. 187 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,200 That match was one of the highest-rated 188 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,160 Saturday night programs on TBS at that point 189 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,680 in the previous years. 190 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,920 And the crowd popped for him. 191 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,840 Crowd's chanting "Go, Brian, go!" 192 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Ric was the guy that wanted to go in the ring with Brian 193 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,520 and tear the house down. 194 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,520 Then he wanted to go to the bar with Brian 195 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:17,760 and tear the house down there. 196 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,280 That's the way he lived. 197 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,000 He lived a cartoon a life, a fantasy life 198 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,200 of limos and long black socks 199 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,520 and alligator shoes and, you know, babes. 200 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,120 I think Brian liked aspects of the lifestyle a lot. 201 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,040 He wanted to be like Ric Flair. 202 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,040 Brian Pillman was a lady's man. 203 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,800 He's a gorgeous guy on television, he's a professional athlete. 204 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,880 So, yeah, a lot of the women were attracted to Brian. 205 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,880 Rochelle was a woman that Brian met at a club, downtown Cincinnati. 206 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,600 You know, they were happy, and we all loved her. 207 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,200 She lived with him in Calgary for a while 208 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,400 before he got the contract in Atlanta, 209 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:58,040 and that's when Brittany was born in Atlanta. 210 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,400 My name is Brittany. I'm the daughter of Brian Pillman. 211 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,040 I was a daddy's girl. 212 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,320 You know, everyone sees him as this wrestler, always on the road, 213 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,840 and wrestling was his life, but outside of wrestling, 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,440 his children were his life. 215 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,800 My dad thought I was his firstborn child. 216 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,920 But when I was a year old, 217 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,360 he found out that he had another daughter. 218 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,600 I'm Danielle Pillman. I go by Dani. 219 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,040 And Brian Pillman is my father, and I am the oldest of his kids. 220 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,840 My dad met my mom in Cincinnati, like, some bar. 221 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,120 And, I mean, it was like a very brief love affair. 222 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,640 But she did end up becoming pregnant, 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,040 but my dad had Rochelle as his girlfriend at the time. 224 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,000 So, yeah, that's kind of why 225 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,560 she didn't want to disclose that to my father immediately, 226 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,680 but at a certain point, she felt like I needed my dad. 227 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,920 The second that I came into the picture, 228 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,760 he was there for me 100 percent and wanted me to be in his life. 229 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,040 That's something to be said about him. 230 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,880 He did care about his kids. 231 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,680 My dad living that lifestyle and all these different women 232 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,120 and he had obviously cheated on my mom many times. 233 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,840 I'm sure that was hard on her, but she stayed with him, you know. 234 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,800 She had a lot of issues. She suffered with major depression. 235 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,600 My mom and dad were living in Atlanta 236 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,880 and my dad was at a show. 237 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,680 The groundskeeper broke into the place 238 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,400 and attacked her with an ice pick. 239 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:42,000 And she was stabbed several times. 240 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,840 -Was he trying to rob her? -Rob her, whatever, I don't know. 241 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,840 Stabbed her in the face, stabbed her in the cheek. 242 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,800 So that'll mess you up. 243 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Brian's looks and athletic ability allow him a spot on the card 244 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,760 as a generic hero, 245 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,720 but he's not content to stay in one place for long 246 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,680 nor do what he's told. 247 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,880 He was reasonably successful. 248 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,800 He wanted to be a main eventer, 249 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,040 and he wasn't a main eventer yet. He was a good mid-level guy. 250 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,920 You know, Brian's first couple years in WCW were tough. 251 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:25,200 I'm Eric Bischoff, former president of WCW. 252 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,800 And, once upon a time, Brian Pillman's boss. 253 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,120 Brian was relatively new on the scene his first couple years in WCW. 254 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,160 We had to earn his respect. 255 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,600 What probably made that even tougher 256 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,320 was the management transitions that took place. 257 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,520 Constant changeover in management 258 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,280 led to stop-and-start pushes in Brian's career. 259 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,800 As soon as he started to gain ground and earn respect, 260 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,000 new matchmakers would arrive, pushing Brian back down. 261 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,800 But finally, they put Brian together with Steve Austin. 262 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,560 He's ready to back you up 100 percent. 263 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Stunning Steve Austin. 264 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,960 And I wasn't thrilled at all. 265 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,480 When people hear Steve, 266 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,840 they think he was always the biggest star. 267 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,480 At the time, in 1993, he was still finding his way 268 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,440 and hadn't got a main event yet. 269 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,960 And this is about when I eventually started getting a run 270 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,480 as a US champion. 271 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,240 I was looking forward to that. 272 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,240 I walked in, and here's Brian coming up behind me, 273 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,240 and I knew Brian. 274 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,760 He goes, "We need to come up with a finish." 275 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,720 "What are you talking about?" 276 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,400 He goes, "We're a tag team now." And I was really not, not happy. 277 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,160 I had nothing against Brian. 278 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,000 But it's like, I was... I was a single wrestler. 279 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,480 I enjoyed working with another guy in the ring, 280 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,200 having to depend on myself. 281 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,600 They didn't have no name planned for us, no this, no that. 282 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,600 It was two guys and they were gonna throw us together 283 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,000 as an interim tag team, basically to get other people over 284 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,360 because they didn't have plans for Brian and Steve Austin. 285 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,320 We were gonna try to make the most of the situation. 286 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Any time that you start working together, 287 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,720 you become closer. 288 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,360 And, normally I'd be at the wheel, Brian would be riding shotgun, 289 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:13,880 reading dictionaries 290 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,080 because he was already trying to increase his vocabulary. 291 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,720 ...and began the pilgrimage out to Florida! 292 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Cut through the bureaucratic red tape and get that title shot! 293 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,920 As it goes, we're going down the road and he goes, 294 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,280 "Hey. Every tag team has to have a name. 295 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,440 So, what about the Hollywood Blonds? 296 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,880 It's been done before, but it's been awhile. Let's do that." 297 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,320 I was thinking to myself, "I ain't come up with a better one." 298 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,080 So I was cool with being the Hollywood Blonds. 299 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,640 -Guess what... -The Hollywood Blonds! 300 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,080 The vests, the trunks, everything was Brian's idea, and we were cocky, 301 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,920 brash, arrogant guys that we started rolling the camera footage. 302 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,120 Brian had that shit-eating grin or that laugh, 303 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,320 when you're getting heat on a babyface. 304 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,200 Brian and I developed this bond and this chemistry. 305 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,000 I loved tag-team wrestling once I figured it out. 306 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,560 I hate to say it because it sounds corny, 307 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,560 but they were made for each other. They complemented each other. 308 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,120 They worked hard to make each other look good. 309 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,800 The Blonds gave Brian a chance to open up as a heel, as a bad guy. 310 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,280 People are like, "I loved the Blonds," 311 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,960 but back then, they were getting booed. 312 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,040 -You suck! -You loved to hate them. 313 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,160 It was more natural for Brian to be a heel. 314 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,520 He wasn't a guy that wanted to shake hands and smile. 315 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,360 He wanted to be a smartass, be obnoxious, show off. 316 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,280 You're all a bunch of losers! 317 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,560 He was getting better, getting exposure. 318 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,360 Partying, having fun. 319 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,280 Brian's fast and loose lifestyle doesn't mix well 320 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,440 with his turbulent situation at home, 321 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,040 and he pursues yet another woman who enters his complicated life. 322 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,040 I think Melanie was working in Atlanta. 323 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,720 She was a "showgirl." 324 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,120 He saw her picture in a Penthouse and says, 325 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,800 "I'm gonna marry that girl," and he met her. 326 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,240 My dad was sleeping with Melanie behind my mother's back 327 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,040 because he was in Atlanta. 328 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,400 Melanie would call the house and that's basically, 329 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,480 I think, how Rochelle found out about it, you know. 330 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,160 She was hurt because, you know, they had a nice home, 331 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,800 the family was happy. 332 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,600 But then he had this other life in Atlanta. 333 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,160 And then Melanie became pregnant. 334 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,680 And that's how we have Brian Junior. 335 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,000 After another unexpected pregnancy outside of their relationship, 336 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,120 Brian and Rochelle split up. 337 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,440 Shortly after, Brian proposes to his new girlfriend, Melanie. 338 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:51,880 We went to Vegas and he put on like a freaking St. Patrick's Day 339 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,480 white tux with a big ol' ugly green bowtie. 340 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,320 And I had a white dress, mind you, the stripper in a white dress. Yeah! 341 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,320 And I had a big ol' green corsage on, and I loved it, every second of it. 342 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,320 I wouldn't trade it for the world. 343 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,000 My name is Melanie Pillman. I'm the widow of Brian Pillman. 344 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,720 In private, like, he's just more laid back and sensible-acting. 345 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,480 He's one of the most intelligent men I've ever met. 346 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,200 So well-read and he just excelled at so many things. 347 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:26,400 He was... he was my soul mate, I mean, 348 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,720 I couldn't have picked a better guy to love... love, than him. 349 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,400 His first years with her, I thought he was very happy. 350 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,880 It'd be a big thing with his Christmas card. 351 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,640 It would be him and the wife, 352 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,480 and all these little kids. 353 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,680 Because I had my two kids, you know. 354 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,960 He would show up with four little kids. 355 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,240 They all had different mothers. 356 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,480 They'd be climbing on him. 357 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,920 One had his legs around his neck, and one is on his shoulder, 358 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,440 and he loved those kids. 359 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,440 He was counted on, he was depended on to provide. 360 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,800 That responsibility pushes you to keep going to work. 361 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,280 -You provide for your family. -Stunning Steve and Flyin' Brian. 362 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,160 They made the decision to give the Hollywood Blonds 363 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:10,640 a big main-event match 364 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,080 on a Clash of Champions, and Ric Flair was gonna be involved. 365 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,400 The rating came in and wasn't very good. 366 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,160 They couldn't blame Flair because he was a star, 367 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,440 so they put the heat on Brian and Steve. 368 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,520 "The Blonds didn't draw a rating." 369 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,600 And that kind of doomed them there 370 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,720 as being featured in a more prominent capacity. 371 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,720 It felt like betrayal. 372 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,320 I wish someone would finally tell me why the company broke us up 373 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,040 because we started getting over as a viable tag team that could hold, 374 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,000 you know, world championship belts. We did. 375 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,880 We make chicken shit into chicken salad 376 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,400 and now you split us up 377 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,520 with no real clear direction for either one of us. 378 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,840 So breaking us up broke my heart. 379 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,200 I don't know of any other talents buried because of a bad rating. 380 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,600 TBS was drawing a lot of bad ratings. 381 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,160 But I think somebody thought, "I don't want to use these guys." 382 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,960 They used that as an excuse. 383 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,800 How that was handled, I look back on it today 384 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,040 and still shake my head that we could have done better. 385 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:19,520 The period from 1990 to 1993, it was very frustrating for Brian. 386 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,400 Also, there was some knowledge early on 387 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,520 that his home life was not as happy as it could be. 388 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,640 I felt like my dad allowed Melanie to run the show. 389 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,840 Melanie treated my mom very poorly. 390 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,560 I feel like she was very jealous of my mother. 391 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,200 Melanie didn't like him talking to her. 392 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,160 She didn't like me and my mother talking to Rochelle. 393 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,400 She made it hard to like her because she just caused trouble. 394 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,840 Rochelle took off and didn't tell anybody where she was. 395 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,120 Rochelle is scheduled to see Brittany but never shows. 396 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,240 No one is able to get a hold of her, 397 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,520 resulting in a missing persons report. 398 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Several days later, when Rochelle finally surfaces, 399 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Brian and Melanie take decisive action. 400 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,280 Brian said, and I agreed with him, and I shouldn't have, 401 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,320 "We should just file for custody." And that changed everything. 402 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,400 Following the tag-team breakup with Steve Austin, 403 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,520 Brian's career has stalled. 404 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,440 The cracks in his family life start to break open, 405 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,360 consuming those around him. 406 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,600 The custody battle started 407 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,120 because Melanie didn't want Rochelle around. 408 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,360 Basically, Brian had more money and could keep the attorneys paid. 409 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,520 The attorneys work when you pay them. 410 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,640 And Rochelle just didn't have any more money. 411 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,200 I was delivering stuff to the lawyer. 412 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,920 I was bombarding her with these stupid things 413 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,720 about returning past child support 414 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,240 that she blew in, you know, just little minutiae 415 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,440 that was making me feel like a better person, 416 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,440 but I wasn't the better person. 417 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Nobody should take kids away. 418 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,640 I should have never done that. I'd never do it again. 419 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,160 It just devastated Rochelle. 420 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,960 I was outside, riding my bicycle one day. 421 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,080 This was at a time when she wasn't allowed to see me, 422 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,160 and she came pulling up, and I went running to her, 423 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,720 so happy to see her. 424 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:23,440 Rochelle was hugging her, and they thought she was taking her. 425 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,760 Here comes my dad and it was just like this huge argument, 426 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,600 him pulling her away from me. 427 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,320 Melanie filed kidnapping charges against Rochelle. 428 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,880 My dad had got full custody of me, and in my mom's mind, she was like, 429 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,400 "I'm gonna lose my daughter," 430 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,200 so my mom called my dad's house and she wanted to talk to my dad, 431 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:48,800 but he was out of town. 432 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,200 Melanie had answered and told her, 433 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,240 "Your own mother thinks I'd be a better mother 434 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,480 than you'll ever be." 435 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,200 And my mom called my grandma. 436 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:06,120 She called her mother and told her what she was gonna do. 437 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280 And then she shot herself. 438 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,920 I got the call to go to the hospital because she was being airlifted in. 439 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,600 I was the closest. 440 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,720 And I was the one at the hospital that they told, 441 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,480 and then I had to tell everybody that she was gone. 442 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,240 She died on the helicopter. 443 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,120 So I had to call her mother and tell her mother. 444 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,680 Oh, it was very hard. 445 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,280 To tell somebody's mother that their child was dead. 446 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,560 It just destroyed Brian because he felt so responsible. 447 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,520 He was just so upset. He cried, and he said, 448 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,800 "Do you think it was all that pressure? 449 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320 I think it was, Mel." I'd be like, "Yeah, it probably was." 450 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,640 Brian wanted to pay for her whole funeral and everything. 451 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:14,200 At the funeral, he held it together until they closed the casket. 452 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,440 And he lost it. He was hugging me and sobbing. 453 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,160 And, in fact, at one point, I kind of looked at him 454 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,720 because I thought he was gonna pass out. 455 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,960 He was devastated. 456 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,800 He was devastated. 457 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,280 I felt so guilty for that for years. 458 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,640 And I think I drove her. Maybe not just me, 459 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,560 but I think incidents drove her to shoot herself. 460 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,520 Rethinking it, I wouldn't have done it the same way. 461 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,960 Nobody should have to fight for their kid. 462 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:54,560 I don't know what my problem was back then. 463 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,840 It was devastating, and I know it was for Brittany. 464 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,360 I have a lot of anger built up towards my dad in a sense 465 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600 because I do wish that he would have, you know, 466 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,760 allowed my mom to see me because maybe she'd be here today. 467 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,080 I don't know. She had a lot of issues, 468 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,000 but Melanie was the overall cause. 469 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,480 She's an evil person, and she's always been that way. 470 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,480 Melanie should have never said those words to my mom. 471 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,400 She's literally the devil, and they say, you know, 472 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,720 you reap what you sow, and now, she's living a life. 473 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,760 She should have been dead years ago, 474 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,680 because of all the drugs, 475 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,360 but I feel like she's gonna live to be 100 476 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,360 and miserable for all the pain that she has caused me, 477 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,840 and my brother, and you know, my Aunt Linda. 478 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,280 And I... And Brittany's the one that, you know, 479 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,400 I don't know how to make it up to her. I... 480 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,240 I don't really know how to make it up to her. 481 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,080 The guilt of Rochelle's death weighs heavily on Brian, 482 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,960 and he dives even deeper into his career. 483 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,200 With his contract renewal with the WCW looming, 484 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,800 Brian is determined to renegotiate for even more money. 485 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,560 It was like, "I have five kids. My body's falling apart. 486 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,680 I have to make big money now 487 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,320 because I got five kids!" 488 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,720 This was his shot. 489 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,720 He talks with Bischoff that was doing the contracts there, 490 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,680 and Bischoff says to him, 491 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,360 "Expect about what you're getting now." 492 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,840 He was happy that I got him back to 225, 493 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760 but I think he wanted four. 494 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,640 I couldn't justify it when he wanted it. 495 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,440 He came to me and says, "What do I do?" What I told him was this... 496 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,680 It's a question of value. 497 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,480 And when everybody's using everybody else, 498 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,000 what can you do that other people can't do? 499 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240 What can you do that gains notoriety? 500 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,120 This thing runs on attention. 501 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,480 It runs on very superficial things. 502 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,840 Create attention. How can we do that in the position you're in? 503 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,320 With his pulse on the wrestling landscape, 504 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,240 Brian knew that he had to find a way to up the ante 505 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,640 in order to shock even the most hardcore fans. 506 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,480 Brian knew if he could make people legitimately believe 507 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480 that he was a loose cannon, that he was nuts, 508 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,920 he was capable of doing anything, 509 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440 that he could be one of the hottest guys. 510 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,120 It was a pure money deal. 511 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,040 What do we really want? 512 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,760 Bischoff to offer you a hell of a lot more money, 513 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,840 and we want Vince McMahon to see that you are of value and offer more. 514 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,400 And then you flip a coin. 515 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,800 If he could play one side against the other 516 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,720 in the middle of the war, 517 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,200 he would come out much better, six figures per year better. 518 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,000 It's what he set about to do. 519 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,080 Brian Pillman's plan was simple. More attention means more money. 520 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,640 As the WWF and WCW are engaged in a ratings battle, 521 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,120 Brian exploits this to his advantage 522 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,840 by playing them off each other while driving up his own value. 523 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,160 Brian came up with the Loose Cannon idea 524 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,320 and started slowly integrating it into his television appearances. 525 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,240 Bobby Heenan was the color commentator. 526 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,680 Bobby had had a broken neck. 527 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,720 He was protective of his neck and Brian goes around behind Bobby, 528 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760 grabbing him by the shoulders on live television. 529 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,160 -Bobby says... -What the F are you doing? 530 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,400 Then Brian knew he got it. He got gold out of it, right. 531 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,880 Everybody will be talking about the F-bomb 532 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,560 that got dropped on Turner Broadcast. 533 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,800 Bobby thought Brian was nuts. 534 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,160 I think the Brain has left. 535 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,200 People were confused whether it was real or not. 536 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,680 One guy he was involved with was Kevin Sullivan, the booker, 537 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,240 the matchmaker. 538 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,720 Oh, my goodness! They got a fight going on! 539 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,400 They're beating each other, 540 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,600 and when Brian Pillman was ready to quit, 541 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,000 -he was like... -I respect you, booker man. 542 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,160 "I respect you, booker man." 543 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,520 The fact that he was acknowledging on national television 544 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,160 that Kevin Sullivan was a head writer of a wrestling show 545 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,720 was something that had never been done before. 546 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,640 Those that knew, knew. And those that didn't know 547 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360 need to find out what a booker man meant. 548 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640 It was a big thing because those guys are sensitive 549 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,600 about exposing the business. 550 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,560 When you're acting out a story line, it's work. 551 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,360 And a lot of the boys backstage weren't really sure this was real 552 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,960 or if this was a work. 553 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,480 The locker rooms had never been invaded that way before. 554 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,680 He knew if the other wrestlers believed it was real, 555 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360 then they would tell the newsletter editors, 556 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240 "Wow, that guy's nuts," and the word would travel. 557 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,600 I thought, "This is going down bad. Brian's getting fired." 558 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,760 I'm out of contact with him. He's lost his mind. 559 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,320 He's not talking to me. 560 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,120 The "smart fans" 561 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,680 were starting to figure out that wrestling is manipulated, 562 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,480 choreographed, pre-determined. 563 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,280 That guy's nuts and he's real, and he won't do what they tell him. 564 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:12,240 That sells tickets. You had no idea what was supposed to happen. 565 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,720 He was convincing people that he was insane. 566 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,840 Not only were the fans ready to be fooled, 567 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,840 but all the wrestlers were, 568 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,480 the management people were. 569 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,640 There was people that you could play like a violin. 570 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,960 -Brian, I'd like to know... No. -Nervous? 571 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080 -I'm not nervous. -You should be. 572 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680 I don't think anybody at any given moment 573 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,360 knew if or not they were really being worked by Brian. 574 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,240 He ended up working Bischoff. 575 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,080 I said, "Get him to give you some release." From his contract. 576 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,920 "From your contract." 577 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,600 Brian says to Eric Bischoff, 578 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,320 "If you fire me, and then I bust out on TV the week afterwards, 579 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,160 people will know this has gone out of control." 580 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,360 "The people in the office, 581 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,400 if they see that I'm under contract, they'll tell Dave. 582 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,200 Everyone will know that it's a work. You have to really fire me. 583 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720 Give me this legitimate termination letter. 584 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,680 I can show it to everybody. 585 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,120 'Look at what the guy did! Can you believe he fired me?'" 586 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,800 He did! He gave him a release. 587 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,320 So he was then free to negotiate with Vince McMahon and the WWF 588 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,240 against Eric Bischoff so he could get a better deal, 589 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,440 all because Bischoff thought he was working with Brian 590 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,200 to create this "illusion" and Brian was working Bischoff 591 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,920 to create his own illusion. 592 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,840 Dude, I mean, how do you do that? 593 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,120 How... I don't know anybody else would ever did that. 594 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,520 Yeah, stroke of genius. 595 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,320 It was a termination, 596 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,880 but it was a legitimate termination with a wink and a nod. 597 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,480 I said, "Brian, go to WWF. I can't give you what you want. 598 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,960 Get yourself over there so that when you come back, 599 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,600 it'll give me the ability to pay you more. 600 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,480 You've raised your value." 601 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,600 In his world, it's his stunt. 602 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,120 He is flattered that he's the guy pulling the great stunt, 603 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000 even though he was the power to begin with! 604 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,040 For anyone to suggest that the Loose Cannon character 605 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,560 was designed to manipulate me into giving Brian Pillman more money, 606 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,880 when, in fact, Brian Pillman and I discussed how to make this work 607 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,320 even better so that at some point, I could give him the money, 608 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680 it kind of flies in the face of the rumors and the innuendo. 609 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,880 That's the greatest thing you can do. 610 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,800 If you can fuck somebody over and have them think that it's great, 611 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840 that's, you know, that's the trick of breaking up with a woman, 612 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,640 you know, make her think that it's her idea. 613 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,960 As a free agent, Brian takes charge of his appearances and publicity. 614 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,760 His insider knowledge, mastery of manipulation, 615 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,400 and disregard for exposing the industry solidifies his position 616 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,080 as the ultimate ring master. 617 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,920 In the wrestling war layout at the time, 618 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,640 the fans knew one thing, if you are really working for one promotion, 619 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,720 you can't appear for any others. 620 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,640 Tonight will be one of the most extreme hours of... 621 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,120 Wait a minute. 622 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,320 With trying to prove it was real, 623 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,720 WCW hated ECW, so Brian must be on the outs with WCW. 624 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,600 Renegade promotion ECW is gaining traction 625 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,560 for pushing the boundaries 626 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,320 and is the perfect stage for the unpredictable antics. 627 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,880 He could curse, he could say off-color things. 628 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,000 Eric Bischoff is each and every one 629 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,880 of these motherfucking smart marks rolled up 630 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,560 in a giant piece of shit! 631 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,560 I thought Brian was losing his mind, as opposed to being brilliant. 632 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,040 I loved it. I was entertained by it. 633 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,080 Damn near whipped it out and was gonna piss in the ring, 634 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,760 that's a pretty strong statement. 635 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,000 And I was like, "This motherfucker's out there." 636 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,480 In a good way. 637 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,400 Get him the hell out of here. 638 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,280 This was working on both levels. 639 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,840 The fans who weren't inside, they just thought that he was crazy 640 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,120 and he was doing wild things, 641 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,400 but the fans who did know the inside terminology 642 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,920 were like, "They can't allow him to do that." 643 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,400 When he'd have a television appearance, 644 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,600 it'd be arranged so it didn't look like he was supposed to be there 645 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480 or he was doing something he wasn't supposed to do. 646 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,120 He protested the matches that he'd been given. 647 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,520 He wrestled a pencil because pencil in inside knowledge 648 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,160 was a name for the booker. 649 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,680 I always end up fighting with the pencil. 650 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680 He's showing up and doing these funny vignettes. 651 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480 He's cooking, and flames are going out of the frying pan. 652 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,240 And they hired a woman with a baby, and the guy comes to punch Pillman, 653 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,480 and he grabs the baby and holds the baby in front of him. 654 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,440 You scum! You piece of... 655 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,760 I never once called Brian and said, "Hey, dude, are you working? 656 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,160 Are you shooting?" You know, because I didn't want to know. 657 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,920 But I thought what he was doing was brilliant. 658 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,440 Some people think my dad was crazy and other people are like, 659 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,480 "Your dad was not crazy. 660 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,160 That was just a gimmick." 661 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,240 A lot of people say he fell into that. 662 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,840 They couldn't decipher it was... Is this Brian Pillman now? 663 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,240 Or, like, is he still in character? 664 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,760 Is this just how he is? 665 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,760 It's all just their perception of reality. 666 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,640 It was just like this blur between, like, what is actually going on? 667 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,960 You don't even know anymore, but that was the magic of it. 668 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,960 There was a lot of Andy Kaufman in Brian. 669 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880 The Loose Cannon became Brian, that was who he was. 670 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,640 Brian was a renegade. 671 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,400 Brian was a bit of an outlaw. 672 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,520 Again, remember, when you're not the biggest dog of the litter, 673 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,880 and you got that gravelly voice you've had 30 throat operations 674 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,760 when you're a small child, you get an attitude. 675 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,360 The greatest wrestlers I've ever worked with 676 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,600 are essentially natural, organic extensions of their own personality. 677 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,000 And the Loose Cannon was just that. 678 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,600 The message that Brian at ECW sent to the other companies is 679 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,200 he was a free agent and he'd go to the highest bidder. 680 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,560 Vince is watching. It's the hottest thing. 681 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,280 The only one to know what was going on was Dave. 682 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,960 "We have to tell Meltzer." 683 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,160 I value his friendship more than I value any of this shit. 684 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,040 I called up Kim, and I go, "Oh, god, Brian's... 685 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,480 Brian's in trouble." He just goes, like, 686 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520 "Brian's doing this. 687 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,440 He's come up with a character, and he's you gotta work everybody." 688 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,320 "What do I do with Dave?" 689 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,280 He goes, "Don't talk to Dave because if you tell him, 690 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,960 then he's gonna have to say it because that's his role. 691 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,880 I don't want you lying to him." 692 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,840 So, literally, he didn't talk to me for a couple months there. 693 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,800 He wanted to fool me with the character. 694 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,480 And he did for a while. 695 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Who are the real marks? Who are the ultimate marks? 696 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,400 Bischoff, and we got Vince. 697 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,480 Vince McMahon was, then as he is now, 698 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,320 the undisputed leader, ruler, manipulator, 699 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,080 organizer, and owner of World Wrestling Entertainment. 700 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,440 -What did you think of Vince? -Vince? 701 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,240 -Personally. -What do you... 702 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,560 What do you do with a whore? Fuck them. 703 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,120 That's what I thought of Vince. 704 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,480 As Brian becomes the talk of the wrestling world, 705 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520 it's time for the final step of his master plan, 706 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,840 track down and secure the attention of wrestling's biggest power player. 707 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,320 In perhaps his boldest stunt yet, 708 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,800 Brian plots to get the attention of Vince McMahon 709 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,040 at an insider industry tradeshow in Las Vegas, 710 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,280 the last place anyone would expect to see the Loose Cannon. 711 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,560 Okay, so I'm in Vegas. 712 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,600 I was in there and I was leaving, 713 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160 and Brian's coming in full gimmick at this point. 714 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,640 And then I see him, "Hey, Dave." Whatever. 715 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000 He goes, "Can I get your credential?" 716 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,880 I go, "Here's my credential." 717 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,080 And he went in and makes a beeline for Jim Ross and Vince McMahon. 718 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,920 He had an idea to be the most outrageous, outlandish, 719 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,680 over-the-top character that Vince McMahon had ever met. 720 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160 He's gonna get Vince McMahon's attention. 721 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,080 Doing his whole Brian Pillman, 722 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,120 "Hey, Vince, let's take a picture!" 723 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,680 "Vince McMahon! Motherfucker! God almighty!" 724 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,240 "I got a chance to meet you!" 725 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,400 Somebody takes a picture. 726 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,760 And Vince is like, "Who is this guy?" He made an impression. 727 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,320 You didn't know whether he was a maniac or a guy having fun. 728 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,280 McMahon thought, "We can't hire this guy. He's crazy." 729 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,040 I said, "Crazy like a fox." 730 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,640 "What do you mean?" 731 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,520 "He told me what he was gonna do." "He did?" "Yeah, he's creative. 732 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,000 He's bold. He's like you, Vince. 733 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,560 He'll take a chance." 734 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,280 Brian's balls at that point would probably fit in a wheelbarrow. 735 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,840 You work Vince McMahon, you know, especially back in the day, 736 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480 pretty good rib. And got his attention, too. 737 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,640 It was pretty freaking genius what he was doing. 738 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,800 But he wanted to stay in WCW. WWF didn't offer guaranteed money. 739 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,400 And Vince was always pushing the bigger guys. 740 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920 Brian always felt that WCW was his company 741 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,000 and the company he'd do the best in. 742 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,960 People go, "He manipulated his contract." 743 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680 No, he did the manipulation of his contract 744 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,560 to negotiate with WWF to raise his money with WCW. 745 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,000 Brian's bold plan is a success 746 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,160 as he's in negotiations for contracts 747 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,080 with both and WCW and WWF. 748 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,440 All he has to do is choose the right path. 749 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,320 It didn't matter where he would up, it was just... 750 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,000 No, it's money! 751 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,720 That's the bottom fucking line! It's money! 752 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,160 And these people are in fantasy land. And it's money. 753 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,320 The only problem is like the Hebrew saying, 754 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,200 "Man plans and God laughs." 755 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,920 We're talking about, "I got to save money," 756 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,960 and then he buys an $80,000 Humvee. 757 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,880 I couldn't fathom the idea of, "I've got five kids, 758 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,080 I've got to make money now" 759 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,960 and then buying a Humvee. 760 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,000 God. He would drive that wherever, Brian wanted to drive that. 761 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,040 He didn't want to sit at the light, 762 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,080 he drove down a gully and up the other side in that Hummer. 763 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,480 He didn't, you know, follow the rules. 764 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,840 I was actually in Miami, modeling, 765 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080 but I called to check on the kids, 766 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:52,040 and the neighbor across the street, I called her and she said, 767 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,800 "My God, I just passed the Hummer 768 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,080 and little Brian's car seat's out in the middle of the yard 769 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,480 and Brian's being flown to the hospital." 770 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,120 I remember he flipped and rolled it. It was severe. 771 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,680 The wreck happened during the negotiations. 772 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,480 -They're getting damaged goods. -It was truly, 773 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,640 you can get on the tiger's back, but how do you get off? 774 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,120 -Fate figured that out. -There'd been a lot of deaths, 775 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,200 but not of a guy who was actually on the way to the show. 776 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,120 It's like if Brian could just see the future, 777 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,480 Brian would have just, "Fuck, oh my God. No drugs." 778 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,240 It'd have scared him straight. 779 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,400 It's crazy how you go from having a silver platter 780 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,320 to not knowing when your next meal is going to be. 781 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,480 Evelyn Towne Iyuno-SDI Group 66269

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